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Dec. 6, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Gold Digger SHAMES Broke Men?! GODLY OnlyFans Girl?! Fiancé GHOSTED Her?! | Dating Talk #125

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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and where you're from.
Go ahead.
Hi, guys.
I'm Ella Freeman.
I'm a hair business owner primarily, and I also make TikTok content based on femininity, level up, and hypergamy.
Wait, what were the last two?
Oh.
Level up.
Like, I help women in their level up journey and hypergamy as well.
Women interested in.
You help them with their hypergamy?
Yeah.
Like, to reinforce their hypergamy or to combat it?
Like deprogram patriarchal things.
reprogram reprogram like reprogram what Reprogram, sorry, sorry.
My English.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
What's your first language?
Spanish.
Oh, Spanish.
Okay.
Yeah.
I thought I detected almost a French accent, but.
Oh, no.
My last name is French, but.
That's that's what I okay now.
What about the patriarchy?
And can I have you scoot your mic this way, just a tad?
This way?
I'm sorry.
No, you're fine, you're fine.
What about the patriarchy?
Well, my content is about women that want to attract high-caliber men, like high-value men.
And when I say high-value, I don't mean your inherent value, I say value in your like in the dating market.
Yeah, so women that are interested in you know, like choosing better men for themselves, maybe they're tire of like, you know, always like ending up with you know, men that abuse them, men that are, you know, don't have the best interest in them, you know, stuff like that.
So I help them, you know, kind of like in the level up, like, because these are women that want to level up their life.
Like, they want to do better for themselves, they want to make more money, they want to level their self-esteem as well.
And so, I, you know, they contact me, I help them, you know, I coach them on a little bit, and you know, essentially, it's women, are women that are looking at the children.
What's your age?
Niche, what?
Age.
What's your age?
Age 24.
24, okay.
What was the thing about the patriarchy, though?
I wasn't really understanding that.
Reprogramming.
We'll talk about that later on.
Okay, I'll bring it.
I can bring it back up later on.
Reprogram the is it?
Was that what you said, though?
Reprogram the patriarchy?
Yeah, reprogram women.
No, no, no, you said patriarchy.
No, because like women, I feel most women have in you know like misogyny internalized.
But what was the specific term you used related to the patriarchy?
Did you say reprogramming the patriarchy?
Kind of so.
Yeah.
Okay, I will just generally bring up the patriarchy later then.
Okay.
We can talk about later.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Brigitte.
I'm 20.
I do fundraising for charity.
Where are you from?
So sorry.
I'm from San Diego, California.
San Diego, gotcha.
And what about you?
Where are you from?
I'm from New York.
New York, NYC?
No.
Well, yeah.
I'm from a lot of places.
I was born in the Dominican Republic, raised in Madrid, Spain, and then I'm here in New York.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
But not New York City.
I'm not.
I don't think I'm a New Yorkian because.
Staten Island?
Is that part of New York?
No, no, no, because New Yorkans are very like if you're not born and raised here, you're not from New York.
Yeah.
You can't claim it.
Okay, I see.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Shelby.
I'm 21.
I'm a fundraising and operations manager.
I'm also from San Diego.
Okay.
Hi, I'm Nikki.
I'm born and raised in LA and I'm 27.
All right.
Occupation.
I bartend, I model.
I do other things.
Drug dealing?
No.
Well, other things is kind of vague.
Like OnlyFans.
Am I allowed to talk about that?
Yeah, that's fine.
Okay.
You mentioned your occupation too, Ryan?
Or did you say your student?
Fundraising.
Oh, fundraising.
That's right.
That's right.
Gotcha.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Nicole.
I'm 20, and I'm a communication major at UCSB.
And I'm from the San Francisco area.
Got it.
Were you previously at Santa Barbara City College?
Yes.
You transferred?
For two years, yeah.
Got it.
And now you transferred.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Courtney.
I'm 20.
Oh, we need a seat booster for her.
That's what I forgot.
Continue on with your introduction, though.
Go ahead, go ahead.
You're 20?
And I currently work at a golf course as a beverage cart attendant.
Golf course beverage cart attendant.
Where are you from?
Northern California.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
I am Jordan.
I'm 37 and I am a senior general manager for Fox Restaurants.
Fox restaurants?
Yeah.
They serve Fox?
No.
It's a restaurant group, sorry.
We have a lot of restaurants.
Dumbest joke ever.
Okay.
And where are you from?
I'm from Arizona.
Arizona?
Okay.
Welcome.
The QPL.
I'm 30 years old.
Behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, book author.
All right.
Welcome, everybody.
So, oh, and quick, in the title, we were going to have this girl who recently went viral.
We're going to have her do a call in.
She's in Australia.
Allegedly, she had food poisoning.
So unfortunately, not going to be able to delve too much into that, but we'll probably be updating the title after the show.
So, all right, we're going to go around the table once more.
So, what's your current relationship status?
Are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult, harem, whatever kind of arrangement there might be?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
Go ahead.
I don't know.
Well, I will say I'm single.
I'm still talking to a person of the past, and my longest relationship has been two years.
Okay.
How long have you been?
Did you say how long you've been single for?
I've been single for, I would say, two months.
Two months.
Like fully single.
Yeah.
Two months.
But you're still talking to this individual who you were most recently dating?
Yeah, a little bit.
When's the last time you talked to him?
Yesterday.
Yesterday?
Yeah.
And was this the guy that you were in a two-year relationship with?
Yeah.
Okay.
But what did you talk to him about yesterday?
How frequently do you guys talk?
Did you see him in person?
He's very supportive of me.
And damn.
Well, I have a very, you know, very supportive family as well.
But like, we have history a little bit.
And he's actually happy that I'm here.
So hi.
Oh, he watches the show?
No, he watches me.
No.
Why is he happy you're here then?
Meaning, no, he's a really good person.
And yes, I'm single, but I'm still talking to you.
Who's the guy?
Yeah, I'm just going to say it.
I'm still talking to my ex.
Who's the guy who drove you here today?
That's him.
You said you talked to him yesterday.
We're off to a good start.
You've already lied.
No, that's not lying.
You said you last talked to him yesterday, but he drove you here unless that car ride was completely mute.
I suspect you spoke to him today.
Yes.
Okay, good start.
So you, but you're single.
You've been single for two months.
It's complicated.
Let's leave it like that.
So you guys broke up on the car ride over here?
No, no, no.
I don't want to get into it.
What do you mean you don't want to get into it?
You're on a dating podcast.
Definitely got to dance.
Yeah, but I came to talk about relationships.
You know, like social media.
Precisely the relationship.
The sociality and stuff like that.
I didn't come to talk about my personal life.
But was I saying that as I do.
So you've been single for two months.
Are you guys still?
You guys are still hooking up.
This is the thing.
This is the thing.
Let me clarify something.
Let me clarify.
You can clarify.
Go ahead.
We have businesses together.
Okay.
He sells watches and I have clients.
So we have, yes.
You have what clients?
Do you have clients?
Yeah, like I have friends, you know, clients that are interested in buying like luxury stuff.
So you would refer your clients and friends to him.
He has the goods and I have the clients.
So like, I don't see how that's.
It's hard when you have businesses with, especially your partner, because if you wake up, you have to also break up that part.
But I'm not letting, I'm not ready to let go of that part because it's a substantial income right now.
So yeah.
I don't know how to get away from that.
So you get a commission.
You get a commission from the sales of watches.
Yeah, pretty much.
Okay.
And that requires you to be in like constant.
Yeah.
Like, it doesn't mean that we're together, but it means that we have businesses together.
Okay, I see.
So I have to talk to him.
But when you say, like, oh, are you still talking to him?
I thought you meant like romantically.
Like, we're not talking romantically, we're talking business.
There's nothing romantic going on?
Not for my end.
Not from your end?
Not from my end.
So he still wants to get back with you?
That's up to him.
What do you mean that's up to him?
Yeah, you should ask him.
Well, you would know, wouldn't you?
You would know, wouldn't you, if he wants to get back with you?
I guess.
But I'm not, I don't want to.
Do you guys, in the two-month period that you've been single, are you guys still hooking up?
No.
I value myself.
Okay.
Yeah.
But you guys were, and you were together for two years?
Yes, we were.
Okay.
Isn't it typically advised to not, once you break up with somebody, to not continue?
Are you looking for somebody new?
I'm not looking right now.
It's weird.
So what if a guy came?
I'm like in the healing process.
I'm not really looking at him.
You broke up with who?
I work up with him.
Why?
That's obvious.
What do you mean?
It's obvious that you broke up with him.
Why?
Because he already asked you.
He said, what happened, you said, it's complicated.
And then you said, well, not on my end, which means you probably pulled the plug because if you didn't, you'd probably be wanting to get back with him.
I was not ready to talk about my relationships, but yeah, like that's kind of like my situation right now.
Okay.
But I'm not looking for anybody, so I'm not dating anybody.
Do you think that as a new potential relationship was blossoming, do you think that might be an issue if you were so financially involved with yourself?
And now we have to come cut my ex off for, you know, respecting the new person, obviously.
You got to respect the new person.
Of course.
Okay, cool.
All right, we're not going to girl you too long on that.
All right.
Any rebounds at all or no?
Rebounds meaning getting back together?
No, rebounds.
Like, has there been any new guys?
Like, for a date, have you gone on any other dates?
Not really.
Okay.
All right.
She's still been there.
I'm interested in right now.
All right.
What about you?
Well, I am in a relationship right now.
And then the next question is, what was the longest relationship?
Yeah, longest relationship you've been in?
Well, my longest relationship was four years.
I was actually married.
Ah, okay.
Married.
So, yeah, that was cool.
Divorced?
Technically, no.
Technically, that's kind of expensive, you know?
So we kind of just separated.
Just you know, kind of stopped.
And you said, how long has your current relationship been going on?
I would say about three months.
Three months, gotcha.
And you said, so you're 20, you've been, you were married for four years, so you were married from.
I was in a relationship for four years.
We were married when I got 18, and then I left when I was late 19, early 20s.
I see.
Okay.
So you were married for like a period of about a year.
Yeah.
When did that relationship end?
The four-year one?
I would say, once again, about when I was late 19, early 20.
No, how long ago?
Oh, how long?
Six months ago.
Probably like, I'd say about a year ago.
A year ago.
Okay.
Gotcha.
And your current relationship, that's been going for three months.
Yes.
Why did you get separated from your husband?
You see, he in the beginning turned out to be a really nice, kind man.
He was very smart.
He had a lot of ambitions.
And then I feel as though kind of after we ended up getting married, he got really comfortable and kind of started showing his true colors.
He started dabbling in drugs, stealing my money.
So I made the ultimate decision that in order for me to grow and to continue to survive and flourish, I'm going to have to leave my relationship.
Wow.
He was stealing money from you.
Yes.
What are we talking about here?
So we're talking tip money I would leave in the car from my job because at the time I was working at Pyology, which is a custom pizza place.
And I was getting nightly tips.
He would steal my money, use them on paraphernalia, and he would sometimes take my card, use it on Amazon, stuff like that.
Every now and then he'd be like, oh, hey, can I borrow 20 bucks for a video game?
And I'd be like, oh, you know what?
Sure.
And yeah, a lot of things that were obvious red flags that I wasn't able to see just because I was blinded by love, unfortunately.
So.
Okay.
What drugs was he taking?
Quite a few.
He was on fentanyl, heroin, and he did dabble in a little bit of meth.
Dabbled in the meth.
Oh, yes.
A meth dabbler.
Oh, yes, a meth dabbler.
Actually, the night I had left, I wasn't planning on leaving him.
I was still planning on working things out.
I had gone to go pick him up.
He was hanging out in a parking lot with his friends.
I didn't know he had been dabbling in the meth.
I was like, okay, let's go.
Time to go home because he didn't have a car at the time.
So I was the main driver.
And I was like, let's go.
And he was like, I don't want to go yet.
I want to talk to my friends.
And I was like, okay, well, here's the deal.
You're sitting here high out of your mind doing absolutely nothing.
I just got off work.
I want to go home.
I want to go to bed.
Are you coming or not?
And he was like, I don't want to stay here.
And I was like, okay, then I'm going to go.
He's like, if you leave me, I'll kill you.
I looked at him.
I said, you kill me then.
And I drove off.
Oh, my God.
Sounds like you mothered him.
A man-child.
Yeah, a little bit.
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Worger?
I think I'm understanding this.
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Wow.
Okay.
So threatened to, you know, annihilate you.
There was drugs.
How old was he?
He's actually only a year older than me.
So right now he's 21.
At the time, I believe when I had left, I was 19.
So he was like 20.
Okay.
Okay.
So he was great at the start.
Yeah.
And then everything was good.
How long, what was the good period?
Like a year, less than a year, more than a year?
I would say the good period was about three years.
I mean, every relationship, yes, prior to the marriage, every relationship obviously has its ups and downs.
So I'm not going to say it was good 100% of the time.
Obviously, a little bit of stumbles, but nothing that was majorly like, oh, okay, I gotta run, you know.
You hear that, guys?
If you get married, your wife's gonna turn you into a thieving drug addict.
Yeah, you better run.
That's what happened, right?
After the marriage, don't get married, guys.
You'll turn into a thieving drug addict.
Okay, that's quite a doozy.
Is your current relationship pretty solid?
Oh, yeah, no.
My current relationship is absolutely awesome.
He's a very nice guy.
When are you going to start posting him on your Instagram?
I actually never really post anything on my Instagram.
I'm not a very big social media person.
I do like the podcast, though.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm single.
I've been single for three days.
Three days.
Okay.
Tell us about that.
Well, I just turned 21 about two weeks ago on November 18th, and he proposed to me on my birthday, which was, you know, it was cool.
Everything was great.
And then on Sunday was our anniversary.
And Brigitte, she came over to my house to just, you know, hang out with me, spend some time with me.
And he had messaged her and was like, hey, I want to set up the apartment to make it look nice for our anniversary.
Can you take Shelby out of the house for about two hours?
So she did.
We went shopping.
We got some boba, just had some fun.
And then I came back and all of his stuff was gone.
And he left a note that was saying basically he just the relationship wasn't working for him anymore and he was afraid of my retaliation, which is kind of confusing because we've never argued in the entire year.
If that makes sense, like never.
So yeah, it's just been a few days.
Wait, hold on.
Okay, so you were engaged for like a month or November 18th, so about two weeks.
Oh, two weeks.
Okay.
Yeah.
And he left a note.
Is there anything in your behavior aside from directly with him that would have made him fearful of your retaliation?
Possibly my last relationship, but there was a reason for that.
He tell us about that.
He had stolen my truck and $6,000 and my cat and then went across the country to West Virginia to be with a girl that he met on Reddit.
And so what was the retaliation that you kind of just went through his phone and all the photos that she had sent to him, I sent to her mom and grandma and dad and just pretty much her whole family.
He stole your cat.
I mean, once you steal a pet, forget who cares about the 6,000.
You fuck with a cat.
Yeah.
It's war.
Exactly.
It's war.
You get it.
Okay, I get it.
I get it.
And I mean, the truck and the 6,000, that's important too.
Yeah.
Okay.
Don't hit like the cat don't.
Cat was the struggle with somebody's pet.
Oh, man.
It's on.
I have his address.
I'll get there eventually.
It's not like Donkey Kong, bitch.
Uh, okay.
So.
So, I mean, I mean, that seems like you.
Did you get the truck back, the car, the cat?
No.
What?
So basically, when I called the cops about it, because I lived down in San Diego, it was Carl's bad area at the time.
I called them and they said, find the state that he's in.
Hold on, slow up.
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I've noticed these simps on your chat.
Don't respect women and talk insult them.
Don't get me wrong.
I believe humbling women today is important.
No reason for.
Look, you know, the thing is with YouTube chat, Twitch chat, any sort of anonymous internet chat room or anything like that.
I mean, people are just going to be, you know, toxic and talking trash.
They talk shit about me.
They call me simp and beta and all this shit.
It is what it is.
Like, that's just the internet.
You just got to take you just got to accept that and realize people are going to be shit talkers.
So, yeah, you know, I wouldn't take any of that shit too seriously.
So, yeah.
Wow, okay.
Wait, so you didn't get any of this stuff back, though?
No, yeah.
So I was saying the cops just basically said find what state he was in.
So it took me about six months.
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I guess he did.
I guess he did.
You should invest those $99 instead.
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So, yeah.
Oh, holy, what the?
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So was the car also in his name or something?
No.
No, it was all in my name.
What about the cat?
Was that like a shared cat?
No, it was my cat.
Your cat?
My fucking cat.
How it.
Yeah, so you went to the police locally?
Yeah, locally.
And they said, find where he is.
So it took me about six months, and I went on People Finder.
Shout out to them.
People find her.
Okay.
And gave me pretty much all information ranging from him to like family members.
It was like his second freaking cousin that he doesn't even know.
So it's pretty fun.
But yeah, I gave him.
Coolrad Bro donated $99.
He took the cat WTF.
Right?
Wow.
Yeah, it's super fucked up.
Yeah.
Super fucked up.
Did you like try to track him through social media at all?
Yeah, but he only really used Instagram and Reddit to be.
So besides like putting the wait, but I don't know.
Hmm.
You went after the girl.
Yeah.
And granted, it sounds like she was complicit to some degree in the infidelity.
There was a reason.
I was really, really stupid in this relationship.
He cheated on me multiple times, and I was like, you're going to change.
I could help you change.
I'll forgive you.
This girl was like talking to him a few times.
And I believe it was July when I found out about her the first time.
And I was like, dude, he has a girlfriend.
Grow the fuck up.
You know, be an adult.
Be a girl's girl.
Help me out and just stop this shit.
And then that stopped for about two months.
And then it went back up again.
And I found out on my birthday last year.
My birthdays are kind of shitty.
Damn.
Sounds like some bad luck.
So you've been single for three days.
Yeah.
Did you cheat on your fiancé?
No.
Because I feel like, I mean, he did, he wrote you a handwritten note or was it a text message?
It was a handwritten note and then he blocked me and Vrigitte on everything.
I feel like typically for a ghost of that magnitude, that's typically warranted if there's like cheating or some egregious betrayal.
You think, but he hasn't given even his parents an answer.
I've messaged his parents and they're on my side.
They're like, yeah, he's being an asshole.
He needs to talk to you.
Does he, though?
Yeah, I deserve an answer.
Well, I mean, he, what did he?
Do you have wait, do you have the note?
I could tell you exactly what it said.
Sure, read it.
Tell us.
I don't have the note, but I memorized it.
Yeah, yeah.
You remember who I committed to memory?
Oh, yeah.
What's it called?
So it said, I have been afraid of your retaliation and for my safety for months now.
I will be taking my belongings.
And then he put in like the little kind of quotation things saying that he wanted to take his sword, some clothes, like regular personal items, and then his bottle tab.
Wait, sword?
Got a katana?
Yeah, nah, not a katana, but he likes swords.
He's a nerd.
He has more than one sword.
Yeah, he's a DD nerd.
He sounds great, not gonna lie.
He was.
Sounds like a legend.
He was.
Yeah, but now he's just kind of a dick.
Any man with a sword, I trust immediately.
Not anymore.
That's a trustworthy.
If you have a sword as a man, I trust you.
What about a sword as a woman?
No, that's dangerous.
That could be dangerous.
Yeah.
Mike.
Liable to use it on you.
I don't know about that.
Perhaps, you know, we don't want an appendage removed.
Right.
Go ahead.
You knew a sword guy too?
You dated the sword guy?
I was married to one.
He was also a sword guy guy guy guy.
Yeah, he was a sword guy, so I'd be careful, man.
Okay, all right.
Good to know.
Maybe it's a mistake.
You can't trust anyone with a sword.
Sword guys are a mixed bag, I guess.
Yeah, and then just basically saying like his bottle tab collection.
He's been collecting that thing for years now, but I went through.
Oh, wait, did you finish reading the yeah, like his bottle tab collection, and then he just said, I wish you well.
I don't want to say his name, but M from M.
Okay, and that's it.
Just it was like a paragraph.
That was it.
Just one little paragraph.
Was it incursive or was it?
He has really shitty handwriting, so it was his random hand.
He typed it?
No, he wrote it.
Typewriter?
No.
Oh, no, he wrote it with a pen.
Not in cursive, though.
No, with a pen.
Ballpoint?
No.
I think it was like one of those Crayola markers, to be honest.
Crayola with a crayon?
Like the brown one.
Brown?
Yeah, it was brown.
Ah, okay.
I can, I'm deciphering a lot of details from this.
Okay, so I think that's a valid way to break up with somebody.
A valid way?
Yeah.
That's nice.
He could have ghosted you.
He did.
No, he wrote you a note.
He said it's over.
What's the reason, though?
We had sex the morning of.
He kissed me goodbye, said he was going to be back.
He went to his friend's house and then, boom, flipped.
Sex the morning of, yeah.
Everything was fine.
Says he loved me.
Literally, we were texting as he was at his friend's house, and he was saying, you know, I love you, calling me pet names, kitty, like all that shit, you know?
He was fearful of his life.
Good.
He was scared.
He should be.
Well, exactly.
That's how he should have.
Well, I mean, now he should be.
Wait, now he should be fearful of his life because of the manner in which he broke up with you?
No, I wouldn't say fearful for his life.
He shouldn't be fearful for his life, but Karma's definitely gonna get his ass, and I'm gonna be behind it for sure.
How?
Don't know yet.
Gotta plan it.
Gotta wait for a few years, though, so they don't suspect it's me.
I mean, you just, you essentially just snitched on yourself as to why.
You think.
Literally, the words that just came out of your mouth are evidence of enough for why.
They're not gonna remember this in 10 years.
10 years?
I played the long game, buddy.
Wait, are you being facetious?
Are you serious?
Don't know yet.
I mean, you've literally just self-snitched.
Like, he's totally justified based on what you've just come out of your mouth for doing this, like, disappearing act.
It's not justified because I've never acted this way towards him.
I've never shown my crazy side towards him, genuinely.
I have reason to doubt that.
That's understandable.
You've like you've just admitted that you're going to he's going to get karma and it's going to be at your hand because he it he the note otherwise sounded polite.
Perhaps you take grievance to the way in which he I should I should also add that we were supposed to be like moving into a brand new apartment by the 15th of this month.
Like it was already set up.
Lease was signed and everything.
And then he just goes to me.
Like that's fucked.
We need his side of the fucking story.
Are you watching?
I agree.
I would love his side of the story.
I would love calling him.
Yo.
Call him.
Does anybody have a contact on him?
I know his number.
Well, don't say it, but like, but he blocked you, right?
So you can't.
Can I use someone's phone and put it in?
He has me blocked on it.
Instagram?
Is he on Instagram?
He has me blocked on everything.
He's on Instagram.
Chat.
Wait, Nick, pull up the chat.
Chat.
Do we need his side of the story?
I'm not even sure if he would.
I would love to know his side of the story.
Do we need his side of the story?
Please.
I've been waiting for answers these last three days, bro.
Yoshi is crazy.
Well, we can't call him because California wiretapping laws.
But no, if he agrees to it, if he agrees, we can call him.
Doubtful.
What if we like YouTube?
Not YouTube, Instagram video chat him.
Does that still ordinate by the same law?
Do you think he's watching the show?
Like, do you think he's keeping tabs on what you're doing?
Yes, because I haven't been posting on my Instagram or anything lately the last three days.
And then the second I posted something this morning, every single one of his friends saw my story first.
I was like, that's interesting.
Yo, his name starts with an M?
Yes.
Buddy, I'm looking at my Instagram requests at whatever.
Wait, what if it's like it's actually not.
Okay, hold on.
Yo, send me a DM on Instagram.
We'll do a call-in with you.
We'll get your side of the story so you're not slandered.
We don't want you to be slandered here.
So DM us at whatever.
Maybe we can check in.
Here, I'm just going to write a note, phone call.
If I don't get a message, maybe one of you guys can.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you think he would be down?
Or do you think it's like very unlikely that he'd want to be?
Honestly, it's very unlikely.
He's like, he was a homeschooled Catholic boy.
He's not.
Vash underscore the underscore stampede donated $100.
Brian, you're the man.
Also.
The redhead on the corner legit reminds me of the older red-headed lady on episode 116.
Anyway, cheers and grid one motorsports.
Cheers.
Cheers to Vash the Stampede, Trigun, Great Anime.
And cheers to our good friend, Grid1.
I'm not sure what older red-headed girl he was talking about.
Fat bastard donated $100.
Would any of the girls take Brian slash Jaquan?
Get in my belly.
I want my baby back, Ribs.
I want my baby back, Ribs.
Chill ye's baby back ribs.
That was good.
Thank you, Fat Bastard.
Appreciate it.
You had something, I guess.
Oh, well, okay.
Well, we'll wrap up on that.
And would any of the girls date us, I guess?
Okay, any of them.
No.
Well, we'll get you can say no when we get to the meeting as it's not bad.
I just thought it might be like good to add about the M is that he was actually messaging my boyfriend that day saying how excited he was for the anniversary and how he had like this whole thing planned.
So for him to just Do that out of nowhere and like lie to my boyfriend for no reason because he was just at work chilling.
Like, plus, I have a theory on this, Q, and I want you to weigh in on this.
Real quick, real quick.
The note didn't sound like him.
It did not sound like the way he normally talked.
I truly feel like someone was like saying you got abducted.
No, no, but I feel like his friends put something into his head, and then he just started spiraling, and then he was like, All right, split decision.
Let's do something stupid.
Was he acting weird at all?
No.
Like, leading up to it.
No change in no change.
Like I said, we were packing to move into our new apartment, and the day before, I was like, Aren't you getting excited?
And he was like, The more we pack, the more excited I am to, like, this is my first apartment by myself with you.
Like, he was mad excited.
This dude got abducted.
I think he got abducted.
Wait, but you, no, but you spoke to the parents, correct?
Yeah.
And he's talking to the parents.
Okay, so he's not abducted.
No.
That's good.
Safety check.
Yeah.
Q, this is what I think it could be.
I want your thoughts, right?
He texted you, like, to, he needed to get out.
He needed to get out.
And he had to put on an act.
Like, everything was okay.
That's why he was texting you.
Everything good.
But he just had to dip.
He had to leave.
That's why he was putting on this act of everything's okay.
But why would you propose?
Why would you propose two weeks before?
Something between the proposal.
Did he get a ring?
Was there a ring?
Yeah.
Something between.
Did he get the ring back?
Fuck no.
He is owed the ring back.
I will let you know.
He does legally.
You should give the ring back.
It was a gift.
Wait, what?
It was a gift.
No, actually, legally, like, you can look into this when it comes to engagement rings.
If the wedding is called off, legally, you do have to return.
I mean, if he doesn't want it back, that's fine.
Keep it, pawn it, whatever.
But technically, legally, it's still his property.
He did end up sending me the last month's rent of this apartment that we're at and the first month.
Oh, he sent it?
Yeah, he sent me the money, and then he was just basically saying, like, I don't know.
Is it a one-bedroom apartment?
It was supposed to be two, but because I don't qualify by myself, I had to go back to a bunch of people.
Oh, but the one you're going to move into is a one-bedroom apartment?
No, the one I am now is a one-bedroom.
The one I was going to move into was a two-bedroom.
Okay.
But because he left, I don't qualify on my own.
Oh, so that fell through?
Yeah, but like the whole leasing office, they set something up for me.
Well, look, I mean, the reality of dating, obviously, you start, people build lives together when it comes to marriage or relationships.
You move in together, it's relationships invariably end.
So, I mean, it's kind of sucks that, you know, he's, was he on the lease too?
Yeah.
I mean, technically, you both are now.
You guys can try to have the landlord mitigate his damages and try to re-lease it to somebody else.
But, I mean, he's equally legally bound to the contract that you signed with your landlord.
So, I mean, it's shitty, but I mean, this shit happens.
You had something?
Yeah.
So, something I was thinking it could be was, you know, there was something called cold feet that used to happen a lot.
It still does.
Yeah.
And it could have just been that.
Because if there was like truly no explanation, he could just be cycling through his head into the what-if factor.
Like, I just proposed.
What if I'm not good enough?
What if I can't support her?
What if I can't do this?
What if I can't do that?
And I feel like it's kind of like human nature to think that.
But it depends on if you solve it or if you just stay in that mindset and then you eventually, your feet are so cold that you just run away.
Is his name Matthew?
No.
Okay.
Somebody sent me a DM.
He's like, oh, no.
Okay.
It's not Matthew.
Another thing is, when we first started dating, I was like in a really low place in my life.
I didn't even have a car or a license.
The only thing I had to my name was my apartment.
But throughout this year, I've grown so much.
Like, I was making 15 an hour last December, and now I'm making 24.
I'm making more than what he made.
I'm getting more hours than him.
And he even said in the beginning of our relationship, he was like, I want you to get your license so you can have more freedom and such.
But I feel like when you do that, you're not going to need me as much anymore.
So I feel like the fact that I haven't been needing him is also a big reason.
He's kind of just like, well, she doesn't need me to take care of her and no baby her anymore.
So word.
I'm of the personal view: like, I don't think, I don't know, you're not, nobody's owed closure.
I disagree with that.
Especially if he, whether whether it's valid or not, if he feels like he has safety concerns, then that's totally valid.
Women do that shit all the fucking time.
You will block dudes, you will ghost them, you'll do whatever if you feel there's any safety concerns, whether valid or imagined, he believes that there's some safety con safety issue related to you, ergo.
I think what he did is totally valid.
Women do that shit all the time, but y'all are surprised if a guy does it to you.
Wait, can I speak?
What?
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I feel like it kind of goes both ways.
I feel as though both parties should offer each other closure, like in any situation, just because if we're not communicating with each other, then what are we?
You know?
Like, we have the verbal communications and we have the brain to be able to verbalize, hey, this is how I feel.
It's not working out.
Let's go our separate ways.
So both parties are on the same page and are able to move on and further grow from the situation rather than just sitting there and wondering, what did I do?
What did I do?
It's not right for a woman to do it.
And I think it's also not right for a man to do it.
I think neither party should just be like, oh, okay, I'm not going to give you any reason.
Because he gave her a reason, right?
No, there was no.
He told you, though, it was ending.
Do you have any idea what could have motivated it?
I truly based on his letter.
I have absolutely no idea.
Because something in that two weeks, something in that two weeks he was exposed to that made him feel differently.
When I read the letter, like I came, I came right home because I have a video camera and it kept going off.
And I was like, what are they doing?
So I looked at it and I saw that he was like taking shit out of the house.
And by the time I saw it, I was like, well, he's already gone.
So I went back to my house and I read the note and it didn't show like anything that he wanted to leave.
I went over to his friend's house right after and I was like, what, what happened?
What were you guys saying to them?
And they were like, oh, we're not going to talk to him about it.
You know, that's up to him to talk to you.
I was like, I don't know.
This is shady.
This is weird.
Because him and I were very communicative.
We talked about our feelings.
Like I said, we never argued, never raised our voice, which is weird because I'm used to fighting in a relationship.
So like this entire year of no fighting, it's been nice, but it's definitely different.
That's why I'm like, why didn't we talk about this?
If you just told me you wanted to leave, that's fine.
You can leave.
Let me add a caveat to the whole no-closure thing.
So, I mean, obviously, you can determine in your own relationships whether it's warranted or not.
But as somebody who's had the experience of a girl demanding closure, demanding talk, and I've actually provided to some degree some explanation why I no longer wanted to see her, she would use the closure conversation as a pretext to attempt to Revive the relationship, which I've already decided I want to be done with.
So if she, like, it's, it goes beyond closure to the point of, and this was with a woman, granted, who like refused to take no as an answer.
Like, would so it's just if we can have a healthy closure conversation, I would be open to it.
But if it's going to be used as some two-hour long cry session, no.
No, yeah, I'm not doing that.
I agree with that.
That's pointless and it's not going to solve anything.
I even, because like I said, he blocked me on everything except email.
So I just ended up emailing him and I was like, so the things you said you were going to take, you didn't.
Like, all of your stuff is still in my apartment.
So I would like to get it back to you.
I would like to get my things.
And like, I have no hope of getting back together.
I just want to move on from this and, you know, grow from it.
So you want, he took some of your things?
Well, like, he had it in his car and like at his parents' house and things like that.
Okay.
He didn't take it.
Why do you want to get revenge on him, though?
Is it because he broke up with you?
It's not so much that I want revenge.
It's just that's what it sounded like.
I want karma to get back at him.
That sounds like revenge.
There's more than one way to say something, but what you said you're not.
I feel revenge is more like if I'm intentionally doing it.
But that's what you said.
You're like, I hope karma gets him and I will be, and I will be the one that enacts said karma.
I'm not going to enact said karma, but I'm going to be watching it when it happens.
So you're walking back with your previous statement here.
My apologies.
I want to be watching when it happens, and I want to have this whole eating popcorn type shit.
So what do you want his karma to be?
I want, I don't know yet.
Maybe him get into a relationship and just have the same shit happen.
Okay.
All right.
I mean, your previous statement was: it seemed pretty clear that you wanted to be the one.
Yeah, I should have rephrased that.
I don't want to cause the karma.
But I want to watch.
I think that's what you actually mean, though.
But now that you realize that's not a good look, you're.
Okay, hold on.
Let me try to put a better face on this.
Like I said, I know I'm crazy.
So if I wanted to do some shit like that, I feel like I would have done it by now.
I mean, it's only been three days.
Exactly.
You said 10 years from now, you're going to be still scheming and be thinking.
Okay.
Abi's roast beef donated $100.
Brian, what's with you liking women with big poo says?
Are you mental?
No, I'm not.
I'm not mental.
Listen, women have genitalia preferences.
Women like big peens.
I happen to like large labia.
I have a non-profit organization, Big Labia Matter, BLM, hashtag BLM.
You know.
Right?
You guys, some of y'all like big dicks.
I like big pussy lips.
What's up?
Go off.
Go off.
That's right.
That's right.
It's unfortunate that some women will get shamed if they do have large labia.
And I'm a defender.
I'm the shield guard.
Well, I mean, it's unfortunate when men get made fun of if they have a large amount of money.
That's right.
It is.
It's very.
I don't think we should be shaming anybody for the way they were born.
Agreed.
Anybody.
So, okay, good talk.
Oh, okay.
Let's go.
We need to get through the single thing, then we'll ask the other question that came in.
It's TTS.
By the way, guys, the TTS trigger is now boosted to 200 and up.
We just added 100.
I let it go for probably like another 45 instead of 30 minutes.
So TTS is going to be 200 and up from here on out.
Relationship status.
I'm single.
I've been single since January.
But the first like four months, I was trying to be celibate.
Well, I was celibate for the first four months.
And then.
Single since January?
You were trying to be celibate.
You were celibate for the first four months.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then your celibacy failed, it sounds like.
It didn't fail, but I was just like, okay, I think.
Oh, he got it.
Grid One Motorsports donated $100.
Obviously, future Lorena Bobbitt does not get that her crazy is obvious.
Sex morning of is a W for the dude, and obviously he called to make sure you were not coming home.
Guy barely made it out alive.
Cheers to Grid One Motorsports.
Do you want to respond to Grid One Motorsports?
Who the fuck is Lorena Bobbitt?
Oh, Lorena Bobbitt.
Do you know this?
No.
This was like grid.
Was it in the 80s or the 90s?
In any case, this woman was married to a man.
It was, this is pre-internet, basically.
Major news story.
She chopped off his peen.
So I guess related to the sword thing, I guess.
Chopped off, chopped it off, chopped off the peen, and it went, it was crazy all over the news.
And then I guess he got it surgically reattached and started doing adult films.
The husband.
Go him.
Good for him.
But it was absolutely despicable in that people thought it was funny that he got his peen removed.
Decap decap not decapitated.
Severed.
I don't think people would have thought it was so funny if some dude like chopped some titties off or something.
I don't know.
Chop the labyrinth?
I guess.
Chop the clip.
I don't know.
Okay, whatever.
Did you want to respond to Grid 1 Motorsports?
Yeah, he said that I didn't know that my crazy is showing.
I literally just said I was crazy.
Like, listen to what I'm saying.
Yeah, and him barely making it out of life.
Like, literally, like I said, we had no arguments.
Everything was fine.
We never fought.
Never put our hands on each other.
Never raised our voice at each other.
We always had very open communication.
So this just being completely out of the blue, I really don't think there was anything for him to be scared for his life.
It doesn't make any sense.
Okay.
So coming back to you, you've been single since January.
Since January, yeah.
And my longest relationship was two years.
Longest relationship, two years.
Did you answer longest relationship?
Two and a half years.
2.5.
Okay.
You were trying to be celibate?
Well, I mean, I didn't have like a deadline.
I just was happy that I made to four months.
And then I just took that time to like heal.
I did therapy.
I did self-work.
I detoxed.
I stopped drinking.
I recently just did that too.
I stopped drinking for 34 days.
And I work at a bar.
So, I mean, it sounds like, oh, 34 days, but yeah.
And I don't smoke or anything like that.
So.
Hmm.
Okay.
Good times.
What's going on recently, though?
Anything?
I'm just being single.
Yeah, no, I'm just dating around.
Are you celibate or no?
No.
Okay.
I don't really recommend that to be celibate because I feel like.
What do you recommend?
Well, yeah, like, you know, do the self-work, but, like, I just think the celibacy thing, like, right when I got out of celibacy, like, I feel like I try to like make up for those four months.
I just kind of went like crazy.
When you say you went crazy, what do you mean?
Like I just feel like I was just like pulling out all these like random stunts that I've never done, stinging things that I've never done.
What do you mean?
Like just trying to pull out like all these crazy ass moves.
I don't know.
Like what?
Like I don't know.
I just like sexy.
Stunts.
What you're like jumping cars and shit?
What do you mean?
No, during sex.
During sex, like what?
I've never done it until recently.
You're doing like reverse cowgirl and you kind of have to be a little flexible and then lean forward and like just start sucking his toes while you're in reverse cowgirl.
Huh?
Cool.
Okay.
There's that.
That's it.
That's the freakiest shit ever.
I mean, sounds like a typical Friday.
I mean, no, I mean, I just got out of celibacy, though.
Wait, this was yesterday you did this?
Oh, no.
Oh, okay, okay.
No, okay.
But you said you went crazy.
So, like, were you just dating multiple dudes?
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, and I just feel like I was like super horny all the time.
Because of the celibacy?
Yeah.
Okay.
So when you say you went crazy, like what?
Were you dating like five dudes at the same time?
What are we talking?
No, not at the same time.
No, I was just like going on dates a lot.
How, what?
Okay, define a lot.
What do you mean?
Like one day out of, I don't know, maybe four days.
So twice a week, basically?
Maybe, yeah.
Okay.
Different dudes?
Yeah.
Would you smash?
Not all of them.
No.
What was like the Smash success rate?
Like 50%?
Maybe a little less, like 40%.
Okay.
Sweet.
And then are you current, you're is there any guy in the picture right now?
Not seriously, no.
Not seriously?
No.
There's like a Friends with Benefits or Sneaky Link currently?
No.
No, no.
So you're celibate?
I don't want to label it as like a sneaker.
Okay.
Okay.
What about you, Nicole?
Currently, I'm single and my longest relationship was about a year.
How long have you been single?
For two years, probably.
Two years.
Okay, nothing's changed really since your last appearance.
It changed a little bit in the sense where I was like celibate at that time, but then I wasn't like celibate for a little bit.
But then I regret that.
And looking back, I should have just stayed celibate.
And I'm kind of like what Ella's on, where I'd rather be alone than be disrespected.
And I honestly think as a woman, it's like sex is very different for us.
Like we, when we have sex with a man, like we have certain hormones that we release that actually brings us closer to the man and we get attachment and men, it doesn't really operate the same way a lot of the time, especially if you're just forming an emotional bond.
So that's kind of what I'm on and I'm not really looking for something right now.
I'd rather just focus on my goals and put my energy towards that because yeah.
And so you said you're currently celibate.
Yes.
How long have you been celibate?
For like a month because I recently like no because I recently I was just like kind of seeing one person.
Okay.
Doesn't mean I wasn't talking or like open to other people.
But I was seeing one person kind of seriously.
Kind of seriously, what does that mean?
Just like pretty often.
How often?
It varied, but like...
Once or twice a week?
Three times a week?
No.
No.
Less.
Less, yeah.
Once a week?
But they were kind of far away, so yeah.
Oh, it was long distance, kind of serious.
Kind of, yeah.
But you weren't.
You were in a long distance situationship.
Low-key, yeah.
Exactly.
Why would you be long distance with somebody who's not your boyfriend?
Okay, I don't know.
It wasn't like long distance, but it was just someone I had like great interest in that happened to be far away.
Where?
None of your business.
How far away?
Like two hours away?
Okay, Los Angeles.
No.
Okay.
Yeah, it could be San Luis Obispo.
Okay, so.
You and is that done?
That's over?
Yes.
You broke up with him?
He broke up with you?
Well, we weren't together.
But I kind of just stopped talking to him.
I thought you had really strong feelings for him.
Yes, but then I realized that he wasn't who I thought he was because I feel like us women do this often where we like think of someone's potential or fantasize about who they could be to whereby we get kind of delusional and we think like I'm trying to attract a high value man and like the second I saw that he wasn't like a high value man I have no reason to be like talking to someone that isn't when I'm like a high value woman and going towards that and trying to attract that.
How long it took you to determine that he was not a high value man?
Probably just like four to six months or something.
I didn't see him that long.
Okay.
Not even a potential to be though.
You said a potential.
Potential, like his potential.
Yeah, like what does he have to do?
He definitely has the potential and he definitely is very knowledgeable about what it takes to be the potential.
But I think us women and men mature at different rates and we also heal differently because women we can sit down.
A lot of us are going to be more open about our emotions and past experiences and learn from each other so we heal at a faster rate and we're able to move on and see the past as kind of lessons.
I feel like men struggle more and they kind of start wanting to hurt women, or unintentionally or intentionally, because of the pain they felt from other women, and it takes them into good, like it'll take them into other connections, even if like, the girl is like right, just because they haven't, like healed themselves.
But anyways, what I'm trying to say is I think he was more immature than I thought he was.
How, so what?
What about?
Him was immature.
I don't want to like call him out.
Hopefully he's okay here.
I think I have a good hunch.
He was seeing other women.
Essentially, he wasn't loyal to you okay, but it also sounded like it's not like I wasn't seeing other people, just not as seriously.
But it wasn't when you, okay.
Basically, my friend sent me his Tinder and that gave me the ick wait hold on him having.
Did you have any dating apps at this time?
No, I've never had dating.
But you said regardless okay, but you said that you were seeing other people too.
Yes, but not seriously like I wasn't.
Were you sleeping with him?
No, then why hold on what You're saying?
During the entire period of time you were seeing him, you didn't sleep with anybody else.
Yeah, no.
So why would you be seeing other people?
Well, just to be like open to other people, not put all your eggs into one basket.
We're not excluded.
We weren't exclusive.
We weren't together.
I'm still open to.
So it's an ick for him to have Tinder and to be exploring his options and to be seeing other women.
But if you're doing the exact same thing, that's okay.
It's not that he was exploring his options in other women that throws me off.
It's just that it was on Tinder because I feel like a lot of us know that those dating apps, especially Tinder, for like men, they really like sleeping around kind of with whoever.
I mean, what would you, what do you guys think is your opinion?
I feel like some.
It's a hookup app.
Definitely.
It's a hookup app, but I mean.
But the bottom line is you wasn't serious.
Y'all wasn't serious.
And you saying you regret.
You said you regret.
So I'm guessing y'all slept together?
Yes.
Okay, so the fact that y'all slept together, would it be far-fetched for me to assume that you sleeping with him actually gave you more feelings for him?
Probably.
And you didn't like the fact that he was on Tinder because the feelings you had for him were developing past a casual, like, getting to know you type ordeal.
Okay, so basically in her head she caught feelings and him being on Tinder translated to him not basically feeling the same way.
Yeah, it's not exactly just about that.
I guess I kind of viewed it as I'm someone who's so careful about who I hook up with and establish a serious connection with that why would I be like giving all my energy and all of that to someone who would give that to like anyone on a dating app just for like a quick nut.
You weren't giving him all your energy.
You were dating other men.
I wasn't dating other men like seriously.
How do you know that he was just on the app for a quick nut?
You said you were like talking to other people.
He could have been on the app just to talk to other people.
That's a lot of point.
True.
And then you were also saying like not doing it safely.
Like he could still be on a dating app and hooking up with people but still doing it safely.
So you cut him off because you're seeing him on Tinder?
Well, it was other things too.
Okay, because she said it gave her the ick, which means it was just a visceral response to seeing him on Tinder.
I guess I just have very set standards in my head, and if something doesn't meet it, I don't mind to leave.
Like I'd rather be alone and like respect myself and not settle, if that makes sense.
What are those?
Well, I think that one of the greatest things a man can have is self-control.
And I can't really picture a man, like this vision that I have of a high-value man using Tinder for attention or talking to other people.
I feel like a high-value man like honors and cherishes connections that he meets in like person, like more tangible ones, if that makes sense.
Can I ask you a question?
Yes.
Did you want it to be more serious?
Like were you like you weren't looking for a serious relationship with this man?
Not necessarily.
I even told him I was like, I can see myself being with you like in a serious relationship.
I was super communicative and straight up.
I was just like, it's kind of a matter of time.
I was like, I feel like I don't know you that well.
I want to just experience more time with you and assess like if we could be together.
But I was super open about like I can like envision us being together because we would spend like a good amount of time together and connect on a good level.
So yeah.
What are you thinking, Brian?
Well, you said he's not, he wasn't a high value man.
But you consider yourself a high value woman.
But I mean how quick you said you were seeing him for like four to six months.
How quickly into the relationship did you guys hook up?
Or not the relationship.
How soon did you hook up?
First night, second night, third night?
So basically, he's a friend I've had for like four years, so we already knew each other very well.
But then like the first night when we were alone, I should have told him how I felt about him because I really liked his like characteristics and his personality.
And we had gone out and then I hooked up with him the first night.
It was just the two of us.
But I already like felt that way and like he was someone very intriguing to me months before that.
What did you tell him?
Like how did you because you guys were friends before so how did you broach this hey by the way I have feelings for you I like you how did you say it I should have was like I have to be honest with you part of me sees you as a friend but part of me wants more I'm attracted to you in an intellectual manner like that's like intellectual manner.
Yes like I'm like the guy like a fucking physicist what are we talking about?
No not not like that.
Don't take it so literally my bad.
When someone just like opens up your mind, you know what I mean?
Or like your conversations are like really good.
They have a lot of value to like add to your life like lessons that they could teach you and like you can teach them a lot.
Like I cherish that a lot in all my kinds of like relationships like friendships or like romantic.
So I meant it in that sense and I was just super open and honest about that.
So what was his response when you dropped this?
Well he said that he feels like the same way but the I can't really speak about these details actually.
Because like this can't reach the world.
Like the reason why like the connection oh so probably couldn't have worked out.
The connection couldn't have worked out?
Is there like a family feud or something of vendetta?
Something it has to do with like what?
It's not like a it's not serious vendetta, but it's just like more like nothing.
Wait, I think I know.
Is it's related to your family somewhat?
No, no, no.
No?
Like how your parents might view him?
No, not at all.
Nothing political, nothing family.
Just other people in like the circle.
Oh, he fucks like three of your friends?
No, no, no.
Then what is it?
I wouldn't have been afraid of people.
Bro, nobody watches the podcast.
There's like three people watching that.
Cap.
You literally have like 4 million subscribers on YouTube.
Yeah, but like this is social media.
Like this is real nowadays.
Wait, give us a hint.
Give us a hint.
Like what's it?
There was just things in the past that were stopping us from pursuing the connection.
He was dating a chick?
No, no.
He was gay?
No.
Had a history of abuse?
No, nothing like that.
You were dating his homie?
Courtney, do you think I should just kind of say it or just say it?
Court, me.
Corey, me.
Core.
I mean, give them a little bit more.
How can I do that?
Do it!
How can I do that and not say too much?
Do it!
Yes, you can!
Just do it!
I mean, YOLO.
Basically, there were people that we were involved with romantically in the past that probably wouldn't have been happy if they found out we had a connection.
What?
Why does that matter?
Okay, guys, I can't say anymore.
There are people that each of you were romantically.
So is it like a thing where he was dating somebody's ex and you were dating somebody's y'all were interconnected?
Everybody was like in this circle.
Friend.
Not like one of those incest friend groups from high school.
Like no, like, not like that.
It was like.
Nick, you've got experience from that?
No, I just thought we were so sincere.
Oh, uh-oh, okay.
I thought you were saying that you had something in high school.
Okay, I apologize, Nick.
They're related?
Are you guys related?
No.
Oh, my God.
That's what it is.
No.
That's what it is.
Did he get like one of your friends pregnant or something?
No, okay.
It just.
It's just stuff I can't really speak on the same way like Ella couldn't really.
But what I will say is that I'm very grateful for any experience, and I feel like anyone should be.
And like even with your ex now or whatever, sometimes you don't even deserve closure.
Sometimes the connection just isn't meant to be and we're so young.
And sometimes it's just like take what they taught you.
I'm sure you taught them some stuff and just take that wisdom into your next relationship and spread it to other people like this right here and not everything has to be so negative and I'm grateful for him.
He's still someone that I value.
It's interesting, though, because you sound like kind of stepping away from this particular convo.
But you're upset that he was like on Tinder and it wasn't he was maybe seeing other women, but you were seeing other guys.
But you never it sounded like you had said, hey, I could see myself being serious with you down the road.
But it almost sounds like you didn't want to close things off.
Did you at any point want things to be closed?
No, like it's something I envisioned in like the future, but just because.
knew this guy for four years and you liked him like what this is okay well She's young.
She's 20.
Yeah.
That's a perfect time to go.
You're not alive to the tournament.
Oh, you don't have your own.
Yeah, she does.
You don't have your own.
You don't have your 20 girls.
Like, see what you like.
You know, don't date around.
Enough that I just sit there like that woman at the same time.
No, don't date multiple men at the same time.
At the same time, having sex, don't do that.
Of course.
Can I say sex?
Yeah, you can say sex.
Okay.
I mean, honestly, I just think about this one TikToker.
I don't know his name, but he just talks about how back in the day, men used to be like the chasers and the pursuers so much more.
Like you had multiple men knocking on one woman's like door and she could pick and choose and like her and her family could pick and choose.
Doesn't mean she was seeing them seriously.
But I don't know.
I feel like the ball is more like so in like the woman's core and like the women should be pursued if that makes sense.
And I don't see anything wrong with women seeing many men as long as she's very clear about her intentions and that she's doing that.
Do you agree?
I mean, that's how it used to be.
There was like.
Well, I mean, there's a couple of things.
So first off, I don't know if TikTok is a, if it's that, if that's the best source for historical dating information, but, oh, you have something and I'll respond.
Go ahead.
So this is maybe a little off topic, but like when we're looking at when we're looking at science, and we're going way back in the day, like way back at the beginning of human evolution, there was actually studies that found that the human species as a whole was not scientifically meant to be monogamous, right?
So there's scientific evidence that supports the reason why females are able to orgasm multiple times is because they were supposed to go with multiple partners.
And literally the shape.
Yeah, no.
Oh, my God.
Oh, God.
Fuck.
And the shape of the man's head is literally shaped like that to scoop out competitive sperm.
Right?
Because just like in the race of which sperm is going to be able to fertilize.
It was the same thing with male competitors back in the day in the beginning of evolution.
Right?
So whoever had the strongest sperm, whoever had the strongest genetics, right?
Whoever's genes were going to be able to survive longer and benefit the human race more were the ones that were actually able to meet the egg and fertilize.
But nowadays, we have society, we have civilization, we have all these other things and all these other standards that monogamy is just kind of become a part of it, right?
Which there's nothing wrong.
I mean, humans in general are a very social species and we do need to be around each other.
You take someone, you put them in solitary confinement, you don't let them see anyone, they're going to go crazy.
They're going to lose their minds and they're just not going to know how to socialize with anyone, right?
And it's kind of how we people are.
And we have it in our heads now that we need to find someone.
We need to do this.
We need to do this.
And we just need to settle down and everything.
But when our reality, when you're looking for a relationship, instead of looking for, oh, is this a high-value man?
Is this this?
Is this this?
Think of, is this person going to support me?
Is this person going to stand by me?
And I'm going to be able to financially, emotionally, and just in general grow with this person to raise kids, to start a future, to stay steady in life.
Instead of looking at all these things, oh, he had one Tinder account, think, okay, later down the line, is that Tinder account going to stay?
Because, like she said, we are young and things do happen and there is time to change and fix things and grow in a relationship.
Can I say something in response to what you just said?
Yes.
The first thing is, which one of the sexes get pregnant?
The female.
The female.
Okay, so according to sexual selection theory, you're not quite wrong, but you're not accurate in what you just described.
And I'm going to tell you why.
Sexual selection theory: the sex that has the babies, they have more paternal investment, parental investment.
So it's not the men.
So it's maternal investment, right?
Sperm competition is what you're referring to.
Yes, but women didn't necessarily select multiple men to sleep with.
The further back you go, the more animalistic we were, right?
So that means men went on to women.
Like, I can't say the word, but that was much more of a natural occurrence in the natural world.
The further back you go, and the more primitive humans were.
So, like, our test these size is it speaks to sperm competition.
But the woman has always been more selective than the man, and the woman has evolved to select the best mate that she sees for her.
So, that's why women typically get attached to one man.
Most women do not date multiple men at a time.
Even with her advice saying, I recommend you date multiple men, I don't even have to say anything against that because that's not naturally the route that women are going to take.
If multiple men come at a woman, a woman is going to develop feelings for one man and naturally cut the rest of the men off naturally.
So, even so, even if even if you give the advice, like date multiple women or date multiple men, she's not going to do it.
Even if you tell her you should, this could be effective, this could help you try to get the dating outcomes that you want.
She's still going to naturally release endorphins, hormones, that's specific to one man, especially if they have sex, which speaks to her case.
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Okay, so yeah, so that's that's what I'm saying.
So, I get what you're saying.
We aren't naturally monogamous, but women are more monogamous than men.
Men are more polygamous than women, and you see that in our physiology, our anatomical features.
So, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm explaining.
So, you weren't exactly wrong about the monogamy part, but women are more monogamous than men, and women will tend to get with one man over multiple men.
Don't really want to date multiple men at one time.
And naturally, the behaviors that they exhibit is going to be exclusive to one man once she finds a man that she likes.
Yeah, and I'm not saying like sleep around.
Like, if you want to, that's fine.
It's not like something I'm like specifically saying.
I'm just saying that that like these roots that we have may be embedded into us because it is what started our whole species, right?
So we could still have these feelings, and that could be why sometimes things happen.
You know what I'm saying?
I understand what you're saying.
Also, you were talking about how to look more into, like, can a man support me?
Can I grow with a man?
But those things I kind of encompass within like a high-value man.
You know what I mean?
Those are the kind of questions that come when you think of what is a high-value man.
I feel like...
And I guess I kind of just saw...
I'm not saying he can't become one or someone like that can't become one.
I just feel like one of the traits a high-value man has, or like a partner I'm trying to attract, is self-control.
And I don't really see that as self-control or maturity.
Can I hint on that too?
I'm really curious when women say self-control as a man.
Men typically, when men become high-value, they may have came from a position where they weren't desirable.
So if a man becomes desirable, he now has women that are approaching him, women being around him that he never would have gotten.
So it's kind of unrealistic to expect a man to just know how to have sexual discipline if he wasn't exposed to beautiful women.
He didn't attract beautiful women at some point in his life.
So most men, when they become high-value, you can look at entertainers, you can look at athletes, you can look at any guys higher on the socioeconomic ladder.
When they get women around them, they typically are going to fuck a lot of those women around them.
So Tinder just makes it easier for guys to exercise that option, especially if he's a desirable guy on a dating app.
So when women say that, I'm like, that's not realistic to expect a man to have dick discipline, especially if he never had to learn it.
That's what I'm saying.
That's a very interesting point.
Yeah.
Thank you.
That makes sense.
Who is next?
Another thing, though, about the Tinder profile is that his bio for the Tinder profile was Nita Plus One.
And like days before my friend sent me that, he took me as a plus one to like a bar and with his friends.
So then I was kind of like, I don't want to be one of the other plus ones.
I can't really assess how serious he was about that bio or if he's using the app to seek out girls to bring as a plus one to events to bring around his friends.
But I kind of saw that's kind of embarrassing and pathetic for me.
I don't want to be like one of the many girls that he brings as a plus one around his friends.
Like I think that's special and like important when someone introduces you to their friends.
And I kind of just didn't like that.
You know, I don't want to be just one of those other ones.
Like seen as a side bitch.
Exactly.
Did you talk to him about it?
Did you have a conversation once you seen that and it gave you the ick?
I kind of, I just sent it to him because, oh, so this is another thing is that the first picture on his Tinder profile was in my old apartment.
So I was kind of just like, wow.
Like, are you, like, that just kind of like rude, all of that?
Or I don't know.
I just, I just want to be fully respected.
I think you might be looking too much into that.
I feel like girls look way more into that than guys do because I guarantee he just saw the photo and he was like, damn, I look good.
And then you're saying that and you're looking all into it and you're like, that's in my apartment.
I was just like, my cat.
I saw all of it and him lying about his age on the profile and him saying Nita plus one when I was just brought as a plus one and it being in like my old apartment.
I think I just didn't want to keep talking to him after that.
I don't know.
Okay.
But I think I feel like when people are in, Say, like, a man and woman are just like in like the talking stage of getting into a relationship.
A lot of women will kind of treat it already like it's a relationship, even though it's not.
So, I also did want to ask, like, were you guys treating the, I guess, talking stage or situationship like what you guys had, like, the same, equally the same?
Like, did you guys respect each other's standards and fit those standards and everything?
Yeah, I guess we didn't really talk about our standards to the talking stage because we weren't talking seriously for that long.
And as far as we talked about it, it was kind of like we can see ourselves being together, just not right now.
And we're kind of assessing if like how serious that could be, you know.
And I feel like that lack in communication when you are in that talking stage like can really fuck a situationship up because you're trying to envision this person to fit all of your standards, yet those standards aren't never really communicated yet.
So, I feel like that's one of like the big things that maybe I did mess up by not communicating to him, and maybe I do owe him communication still instead of just like having ghosted him.
Yeah, I've thought about that a lot, but sometimes pride gets in the way because obviously that was pressurizable and like annoying to see because I really don't want to be just another plus one.
Like, I'm not sleeping with other people, like, doesn't mean I'm not seeing other people, but just to be like someone else's plus one out of that.
I don't know how many, you know, I don't know.
And it's also important to know he can't read your mind either.
So, if you're saying you if you're saying you see him as a potential long-term romantic partner, then it is imperative that you communicate that because he could be left out in the cold wondering what happened.
And you saw something that turned you off, and you made a decision off of that turnoff that ended up breaking, severing you guys' relationship.
So, that should be something that you actually should revisit.
If I mean, if you're open to it and that's something you think about still, I say I would recommend that you revisit that and clear up that line of communication.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Did we go around with Chukstatus yet?
Oh, she's next.
So, my longest relationship was about a year and a half, and currently I'm single now.
How long ago did your relationship end?
About two years ago.
Two years.
And you're not talking to anyone right now?
Nope.
No, I'm not, actually.
Did you say that?
Yeah, dang it.
Whoa. Oh. Name dropped.
I have been single for almost five years now.
My longest relationship was almost three years.
I'm going.
Oh, okay.
I'm single as an unmarried.
I date when I feel like it.
My longest relationship has been three years.
It was three years.
Do you all plan to want to get married one day or have children?
I do.
Me too.
Yeah.
Yeah, me too.
I don't know about kids, but getting married, yeah.
I don't, I don't think we, I don't really believe in marriage anymore.
You don't believe in marriage?
What aspect of marriage?
I just feel like there's so much love I think that I could possibly give that I just don't see myself just like being with one person anymore.
Do you think you could channel all that love into one person and make a beautiful relationship out of it?
I just think dating now, especially with like the internet and like where I live in LA too, like I just feel like the dating pool is just not serious.
So I'm not going to like manifest my mind into like thinking like marriage, marriage, marriage.
Like I actually want to put that love into like myself and like be more putting into just myself.
I'm not going to just focus on marriage.
Like I like I respect everyone that wants to get married and have kids, but I feel like I just don't.
Well do you have a desire for a committed long-term relationship?
Exclusivity?
If it comes, but like I'm not going to wait or like cross my fingers or like wish for that to happen.
Okay.
Yeah.
Seek it out.
Yeah.
And the kid thing, like I've even thought about like even if I could adopt like and just have a kid for myself, you know, like I think us as women, we're all like have that motherly instinct and I have a cat so like I felt for your cat situation.
I have four now.
Oh.
But the marriage thing, I'm like, whatever.
Like whatever's on it.
I'm not expecting it.
I'm not going to like deny if somebody proposed to me, I would say yeah.
I mean like if I love them, you know, I would say yes.
But like I'm not gonna pretend to think that like I'm gonna live like how my grandparents were like married for like 20, 30 plus years or whatever.
Like I just don't think that really exists anymore.
Like unfortunately.
Hold on, let me just regather the conversation here.
Bro, I fucking spilled water not just on the table, but I li on all on me.
So and don't have any fucking change of clothes.
So relationship status, did you share?
Can you share it again since I was gone?
My longest relationship was a year and a half and I am currently single.
How long have you been single?
Two years.
Two years.
Okay.
And you?
I'm currently single for almost five years now and longest relationship was almost three years.
Three years.
Okay.
Got it.
And Daquan, I know your situation.
So the point where I got fucking doused in my shit.
You were saying that monogamy is not the natural order of things for humans.
Yes.
So I was talking about just like genetically and kind of why we're facing a lot of the issues that we're facing nowadays may be rooted to how we originally evolved.
Like started evolving.
Did you want me to like go over the whole like scientific theory or no?
I mean I heard most of it, but I mean I just it may certainly be the case that we are less monogamous now and that we might have a proclivity towards polygamy.
Yeah.
However, we also have a proclivity towards violence and thieving and stealing.
So society reinforces behavior that is more conducive to a positive social structure.
And the fact of the matter is polygamy is absolutely destructive to social order.
Also, let me just point out that still even today though, the most common form of dating is serial monogamy.
So when you say monogamous, we may not want to, we can't be together with somebody forever, like one person just forever, but we do tend to pair up in certain increments of time, like maybe two years, like the average relationship is 17.2 months.
So about one to two years, we pair up and we form those pair bonds essentially to raise kids.
Yeah.
Exactly.
But there was actually, it's called Universe 25.
It was a Harvard science experiment.
And basically what they did was they created a utopia for rats to basically mimic like human society.
And it showed in conclusion that even with everything that they had to survive, to live, their society still crumbled no matter how many universes that they made.
And you can look it up.
It's called Universe 25.
And their society still crumbled.
It eventually made it to where there were these mice called the pretty ones that would just groom themselves all day.
They did not seek sex.
They did not seek partnership.
They didn't seek work, looking for food, anything.
It got to the point where the females had reclused themselves up into higher up nesting boxes and eventually their society crumbled because they lacked the social ability to be able to procreate, socialize, and overall interact with each other.
But that society, that society, though, what happened was the males became feminized.
And we need the males to be men to uphold the society.
So the women, the female mice overtook women.
Okay, hold on.
But here, I'm just going to, I'm not even going to give credence to your, when did the study take place?
So it was actually a recent study.
It was done by Harvard.
You can look it up.
It's called Harvard League.
First off, I don't give a fuck about Ivy League schools.
We know that the people coming out of Ivy League schools are absolutely brain dead.
So like, okay, you went to Harvard, you did a study at Harvard.
Cool.
I don't give a fuck about rats.
We are not rats.
We are humans.
So show me a study that says that there is a better way to organize humans than monogamy.
So I'm not saying to organize it better than monogamy.
I'm saying that humans have all the tools that they need to be able to function, to have monogamy, to have every, like literally everything they need, right?
But humans keep finding a way to make their own problems, to create issues.
Do you see kind of what I'm saying?
I'm sorry.
I know I'm not very good at putting it into words.
No, but you're citing some Harvard, and the study could have came from Santa Barbara City College for all I care.
You're citing this study about rats.
Rats defecate, like, granted, humans fucking defecate on the street too, I suppose.
How do we test our medicines?
Like all of our medicines.
Yeah, but it doesn't go rats, and then it's immediately approved for humans.
They do like in vitro, in vivo studies, then they'll test them on animals, and then they'll test them on humans.
And you'll have plenty of studies that are tested in rats.
Oh, look, it works great in rats, but then you test it on a human, and they have tons of terrible side effects.
So just because there's evidence of something working or not working in rats doesn't mean that that's necessarily indicative of how that's going to manifest itself in humans.
And yes, this is true, but you can already see the patterns that are starting to form, is what I'm saying.
Like the patterns of society starting to slowly diminish by people not being able to hold down relationships.
A lot of people, like birth rates are slowly declining.
Yeah, but this is why we need to like defund social, like social, the social sciences, because they're all like bullshit.
And like, okay, cool, rats did stuff.
Like, how's that relevant?
What, what discipline at Harvard conducted this study?
Was it like sociology or something?
I believe it was.
I can, am I allowed to look it up to show it to you?
Or?
I mean, I don't know if we'd be able to find it, but like.
It's called Universe 25.
But we really, I mean, I just don't take it, these are soft sciences.
There's not like there's so many glaring issues if like they lack controls and like a rat study.
It was done over the course of 50 years with multiple different universities.
50 rats, cool.
No, not 50 rats.
Oh, so 50 years of rats.
Yeah, basically 50 years of rats in multiple different universes that had the same thing.
Is this what the best institution, the supposed best institution of higher education is spending its money on?
And granted, it's private.
I think it's private, so there's no public funding for Harvard.
But 50 years studying on rats?
What?
Really?
50 years on rats?
I want to say something, I feel like...
Sorry.
I'm not discounting what you said, but I feel like maybe technology has more of an effect on monogamy.
Are you trying to kind of advocate advancement?
Are you trying to kind of prove how even though what you're given, say like in the rat study or whatever, like no matter what, they're going to go for what they're naturally selected to go towards?
Yes.
What was the study trying to measure?
It was trying to measure how if you have everything, right?
So let's say there is no world hunger.
Let's say we don't need to work.
Let's say we have everything handed to us.
We figured everything out.
We solved every problem we have, right?
Eventually, basically what the study is trying to say is that we will get so bored and so out of our minds that we're going to start getting confused and not knowing what to do with ourselves.
But how does that translate to monogamy or polygamy?
So it translates to monogamy and all this and basically what's happening with modern day dating because in the study there was a point in time where basically the subjects had started declining in monogamy.
They started becoming more polyamorous, right?
And then eventually over the course of time it became no one was anything anymore.
Nothing was breeding.
So I'm saying we could be in that part of time in human history where we have everything we need basically handed to us because what do we do?
We have our whole lives planned.
We go to work, we go home, we eat, we sleep, we repeat.
Do we not?
I feel like I kind of get, I kind of understand what you're getting at, but at the same time, although humans, aside from rats, although humans are naturally going to go for things that they probably shouldn't go for, like Brian was saying, like shoplifting, theft, all this stuff like that, and say non-monogamy, there's also like a right and a wrong in society.
So you have to be able to choose between those two.
And evidently, and probably statistically, I don't know the statistics on this, but monogamous relationships do succeed a lot more.
They do, but if you've noticed throughout the course of history, the percentage of monogamous relationships has been going down.
So what does that tell us about ourselves as a society and where we are?
I think like Courtney was saying.
Where would I be going now?
Technology has a major impact on relationships nowadays.
And I understand the picture you're painting with the study, but I also think that it doesn't apply to our society nowadays because us humans aren't necessarily at a point where everything's handed to us.
So that need for polygamous relationships isn't it?
You don't see rats posing for an Instagram selfie.
Case closed.
I think it's technology.
I think rats aside, though.
I don't think it's rats.
Rats aside, though, I think you're kind of getting the wrong message from that because it's the whole easy times create weak men.
So the utopian universe failed because the men, the male mice became feminized.
And the utopia, there was a universe, the only one that succeeded was the one where they gave them almost nothing and they had to basically fight for everything.
So that was the universe that succeeded.
So I think you're kind of getting the wrong message from that because it's really about they had everything they needed.
So the men became princesses, basically.
Yeah, and it's also trying to, and it's also trying to, it's also trying to project.
Like, a lot of our sexual behaviors are shaped by sexual selection pressures, which means society wasn't perfect.
We developed things based off of how we went, like how things were in our evolutionary past.
We selected for certain things that gave us adaptations, advantages for us to keep our species going.
So when you have a study like that, it's not measuring the same things.
The circumstances are not the same.
The control is not the same.
The situations are not the same.
So it's hard to extrapolate that when it's coming from this utopian perspective, like what she said.
Like essentially, even if that was the case, let's say hypothetically that human society was like that.
I still don't think that would eliminate monogamy.
And I don't think that would eliminate monogamy because it would be another hundreds of thousands of years before the human brain develops past its natural proclivity to form parabonding relationships that sustain children because human babies have the longest periods of infancy and vulnerability.
And we have the longest gestation period.
So it would take another hundreds of thousands of years for humans to even evolve to that point.
I found a study if you wanted to.
So, I mean, I reject your rat study, but let's assume I accept your rat study.
What are you trying to say?
That polygamy is desirable?
No, no, no.
What are you suggesting?
I'm basically suggesting that everyone's so caught up in social media and themselves and everything, and just what how do I word this?
Sorry.
Just kind of how everyone wants things.
Oh my gosh.
So sorry.
Everyone's so caught up in how society is now with social media and everything that they're not focusing on actual bonds with people versus like looking into actually raising a family, looking into all these other things.
Instead, they're more focused on like my picture.
Oh, this guy's cute.
Instead of more, like, am I going to be able to be with this person forever?
Do we benefit each other equally?
Will we be able to basically succeed in life and upbring each other, like pushing each other to grow greater?
Or you see what I'm saying?
You also have to remember: a lot of people have, or everyone has their own intention.
Like, not everyone has the same goal.
Well, social media is making people disposable, particularly dating apps.
It's making people just.
You just swipe and they're gone, and people ghost each other, and people are just disposable now.
This all stems from, I think we were talking to you about this dude you were dating.
And I forgot exactly the questions that I had for that, but I think I asked, you said he was not a high-value man, but you're a high-value woman.
What makes you a high-value woman?
I'm focused on my education.
That's something I value.
I focus on exercising.
I'm nurturing, kind, loving, respectful.
I'm a great sister.
I'm very involved in my family.
I'm religious to an extent.
I don't just sleep around with whoever.
Very selective about that.
I'm careful about who I surround myself with.
I don't go out often.
I don't really smoke anything anymore at all.
Like, I had that time period of.
When's the last time you're talking about weed?
Yeah, and nicotine.
When's the last time you smoked weed?
Probably like a month ago, and I don't do it very often, is what I'm saying.
When's the last time you smoked nicotine?
Like a month, two.
I mean, that's not a very long track record.
But I'm mostly 20 years old, so you know what I mean.
Your age?
I mean, I don't think your age is.
No, I'm just talking about like, you know, a high-value woman is not going to be like a 16-year-old girl.
Like, I'm on the path to get there, and some of my characteristics embody that, and I want to continue working towards that because I don't.
Do you party on the weekends?
I haven't been lately.
The only time I'm going to be partying this month is like after finals.
When's the last time you went out and partied on the weekend?
During Thanksgiving.
That's different if it's holidays, but like most people here in Santa Barbara have to go out like once a week.
So Thanksgiving was two weeks ago.
Yeah.
And I just went out because that was like a holiday and I was from home.
Before that.
Halloween and then.
Yeah, stuff like that.
And then what about before that?
Well, I don't remember.
But it was not often.
Left out drunk.
No.
It just hasn't been that often, but I think.
High-value women don't go out to bars and clubs and parties and get shit-faced and drunk and tanked.
But it's not clear to me if you do.
That's why I'm saying I'm not trying to as much.
And when I do it, it's kind of to celebrate with my friends.
Like we finished the quarter, just to go out with like my girls.
It's very interesting because men always think that women go out to go sleep with like men.
But the thing is, that's some great projection.
And I recently talked to some guy friends, and we were just having conversations like this, trying to educate each other.
And they were saying nine times out of ten, when a man goes out, he goes out with an intention of ultimately sleeping with a woman that night.
But I was talking about when us women do.
I'm sure some of us do it with the intention of sleeping with a man.
But a lot of the time we're doing it just to celebrate, have fun, like be a girl, literally just dance with our friends and make fun, heartfelt memories.
I'm not saying some don't go out with that intention of sleeping with someone, but the intentions, the majority of the time, don't line up.
I'm curious, and Q, I think you probably have something to weigh in on that, but if you're just trying to have fun, why not just have a night in with your female friends, put on some music, get some alcohol, and drink in your house?
Why the need to go to very specific social gathering venues where the drinks are really expensive, people are drunk and obnoxious, there's strangers there, it's sometimes unsafe, it's sometimes dangerous, the music is perhaps too loud, that you don't get to pick the music that you want.
I'm just curious, like, what is the purpose of going to, say, a bar or a nightclub or a party?
I think Courtney has something to say before I do.
Well, because it's like a big playground.
Everyone's drunk, running around, stupid.
It's fun.
It's not always the intention of hooking up with someone, and it doesn't have to be, but some people have that intention, and that's okay.
And I think you guys can't do that.
I mean, you guys can dance around it.
Like, it's kind of the atmosphere.
You guys can dance around it all you want, but the reality is, like, people go to these very specific social gatherings for the potential opportunity of meeting a new person.
Some people.
I think women like to dance around this, but the reality is, like, you're going out and like you want to meet a guy at these parties.
No.
Yes, you do.
Not all the time.
Not always.
Sometimes you're in the mood.
For example, we go out.
Then why not just stay in?
I don't get it.
Well, because the atmosphere.
Can you?
The lights.
No, it's the loudness.
Oh, the lights.
There's phones.
Yeah, the dark.
It's fun.
We go out.
And you can't always have that loud of music and you're not.
Go to your girlfriend's house.
Brian.
Turn the lights off.
Get the laser pointer.
Chase it around the ground like a fucking cat.
When we go out, when we go out together and like the places we go out to, we don't pay for drinks because we don't make connections and we ask promoters.
Female privilege.
Yes, it's female privilege.
And you're rejecting because you're mad that you're not a woman.
And that's okay.
No, I'm not mad.
I don't go to IP.
I'm not treated.
Like princesses where we go.
And we are respected.
People don't look at us.
Maybe they want to sleep with us, but they don't act like that.
They respect us and they treat us like princesses.
Really?
The guys respect you at Isla Vista parties?
Professional parties.
Yeah, okay.
No, it's not an Isla Vista.
Oh, excuse me.
You go to the upscale, luxurious Santa Barbara College Party.
No, no, no.
We drive.
We go places.
We go to like Hollywood in LA.
Oh, you guys have fake IDs.
The age of entry for establishments that serve alcohol is 21.
You guys are 20 and 20.
Okay, so you have fake IDs.
Cool.
I mean, isn't that known?
Like, isn't that like a obvious thing?
It's okay.
We're going to be 20 in two months.
It's fine.
Whatever.
I don't care.
Nikki, what do you bring to the table, though?
Because you say you're like a high-value woman and things like that.
And what makes you a high-value woman, you're going towards your education, you're religious, you're focusing on your fitness, but like that's such basic shit that any woman could do.
Also, I'd point out you mentioned like your procedure education.
I think it's such basic shit that any woman can do.
To be honest, I think it takes...
That's like the most basic thing.
Go to college, go to a gym, do you have religion?
We've like subsidized people that shouldn't be going to college, going to college, but okay.
I'm not speaking about you.
I'm just saying like there's a large cohort of people.
That's why college prices are so expensive because the government is basically co-signing on these irresponsible 18-year-olds taking out five to six figures of student loans that they have no chance of repaying when they're pursuing their feminist studies and bullshit with other degrees.
Like life is not a feminine college.
Do you know how to change a tire?
No, I don't know how to change a tire, but that's where men and women differ.
So if you get stranded on the side of the road, you're not going to be able to change your tire.
Yeah, no, I'm not.
So does that mean she's a low-value person?
Like, that doesn't mean there's a lot of more.
But I think that's why it's important for there to be a great line between feminine and masculine roles.
I'm a woman.
Like, I'm not.
So all those things that you're saying, like, yes, those are like feminine traits that make a high-value woman.
Changing a tire isn't one of those because I need like a man to do that.
Maybe to you.
Some guys might think a chick changing the tire is hot as shit.
Wait, Q, did you have something on the whole club?
Yeah, formerly.
Yeah, I was going to say, I was going to say, it's essentially for validation.
That's what it is.
Everything else is rationalizations.
It's essentially for validation.
When you said the free drinks, it's the acknowledgement.
It's the rewards.
It's guys basically seeing you, you being seen, you being given things to free gifts.
It's the opportunity to be in an atmosphere where you feel like you're valued, you mean something.
And what comes out of that often is if it's a club with a VIP section, if there's guys in there who are high status, they're the top guys.
You get invited in today's VIP section, you get special acknowledgement, you get special privilege.
You're essentially advertising yourself.
That's what you're doing.
Whether you want to agree with it or not, whether you believe it or not, you are essentially putting yourself in a dating scene because that's why men go to clubs.
That's why men party.
They know women are going to be there.
That's why y'all get in free.
That's an offering to the men.
It's like, you guys show up.
You guys got to pay what you got to pay.
But the ladies that y'all are going to essentially be able to choose from, especially if you're a guy with money, you got a club section, you VIP, these are the women that we're bringing.
So we bring women in free.
Y'all pick the women that y'all want to choose from.
And that's essentially what it is.
It's an advertisement.
It's an opportunity for validation.
And it's essentially being you serve to men on a platter if they want that from you.
That's essentially what it was.
And one thing, and I'll let you respond to him.
You say that you don't party a lot, but you have found it necessary to get a fake ID so that you can party.
But I told you I'm still young, so I'm still working towards you.
But like, you said you don't party a lot.
But that's something I recently started doing.
I had that since the end of my senior year of high school, Brian.
So you've been partying.
I'm a junior at UCSB.
I went through those phases, but in any point in anyone's life, you're constantly being educated on new things.
So I'm constantly growing as a person, and I'm going to be learning more and more as I go.
And that's something I've recently started to value.
You know, everyone kind of goes crazy, like their freshman year of college, for example, I think, or at some point or another.
So that's at the point I am.
Well, let me just.
Yeah.
And I know you wanted to respond to Q.
I would just say, like, gentlemen, do not date current or former party girls, girls who go to the bars, clubs, etc.
That's it.
That's all I had to say.
Gentlemen, I want you to know that women and men have different intentions when it comes to that.
And I'm sure I understand what you're saying because those are men's intentions, and that's why they want the girls there because those are their hopes.
But that doesn't mean the women will necessarily uphold those hopes and intentions of the men to go out.
No, they're very different.
So there are going to be some girls that go out and do have those intentions, like I was saying, and some men that will get those wishes fulfilled.
But then there are those women that aren't going to advertise themselves or end up sleeping with those guys.
Well, just by virtue of you being in the club is advertising.
Just by virtue of you posting photos on Instagram, that is advertising.
Men, have you ever approached a guy?
Rarely.
Rarely.
How often have you been approached?
I think you asked this in the last podcast, but I said it was like 90% like 10% me.
But like when you go out, like you get approached a lot, right?
See, this is, I mean, this is the difference between men and women.
Is that so?
Every time you go out, you're putting yourself in an environment to be approached, especially if it's a bar or a club.
But we could control how we react.
You can.
You can.
Obviously, bar or club, us women will be on the street wearing sweats, no makeup, hair up.
We'll still get approached.
And again, this is a fundamental difference between men and women, and it's about how we react.
And just because we want to put ourselves in an environment while you're young, I'll literally call my mom and ask her, like, should I go out, mom?
Because I'll still sometimes be like, but I like want to celebrate.
And she's like, you should, because one day you're going to have children and like you're going to have to watch them and you won't be able to like be young and have fun and like run free and like dance with your friends.
Like she's not like, yeah, like go sleep with some guy.
Like, no, it's not like that.
It's kind of about also like preserving your youth because all of these things become intangible one day, you know?
I mean, you can, if you were so inclined, a 50-year-old could go to some fucking 21-year-old hotspot if she wanted to, I guess.
I mean, also, I would actually argue it's if you're trying to preserve your youth, actually staying out late, drinking, partying, doing drugs, smoking, being in these stressful, chaotic environments actually could contribute more to you aging than if than not engaging in them.
You only live once.
But like you drinking your soda could also contribute to you aging.
Is that a what about is I mean affecting your immune system?
I mean this is like a secret juice.
First off, I'm not drinking soda.
So I don't know.
I'm drinking like a lot could be said about different things.
You know what I mean?
Like that argument could be said for so many different topics.
Okay, but I was specifically addressing your argument about preserving your youth by going out to bars and nightclubs.
Look, the difference is, is that men and women are different in how they run game, so to speak.
So I'm going to credit, there's this Twitter thread that I've referenced before from LDG.
I want to give them credit, of course.
So women don't approach men.
They put themselves in positions where they could be approached by men, like clubs, for example.
They're not going to DM a guy, but they'll post pictures to lure men into DMing them, for example, on Instagram.
Men are salesmen.
Women are marketers.
So the difference, like most guys are just too naive and lack the capacity to be able to identify this distinction.
So in a committed relationship, I think that men should stop pitching and women should stop advertising.
So I think it's the case that like, oh, well, you know, as long as I'm not directly attempting to like approach a guy, that's not, that's fine.
Or if I turn down guys at bars, that's fine.
But that was, women were never initiating conversations with men.
Women were never initiating conversations with men to begin with.
Like we use different strategies to get similar outcomes.
So it's just totally different.
And behaviorally, I get the distinction that y'all making between like guys say, I want to get laid tonight, so I'm going to go out.
Or the goal is to get late.
You don't say that.
You and your girls don't say that.
Like, oh, let's go get laid tonight.
Y'all don't say that shit.
But what I'm saying is, if your intent is not to get late, that doesn't mean you're not going to get late.
That doesn't mean you're not going to get to the club and see a cute guy, and a cute guy's going to approach you, and your girlfriend's going to say, oh, you know, well, we'll let you go back home with him or whatever the case may be.
A lot of the time, this shit happens.
So on the outside looking in, it's easy to say, yeah, that's not our intention.
But what we see actually happening in reality is this is what actually happened.
Women go out, they end up getting fucked.
It's not me and my friends.
Well, but yeah, I don't want you to personalize it, but the point is this happens, and it happens often.
It happens all the time.
It's going to happen tonight everywhere.
That's part of being.
I think that's also.
But that's what we're saying.
But that's also your perception because those are the experiences you've had and the women you surround yourself with.
I'm sure you're a guy that goes out and gets laid.
I don't know.
So you assume that all women go out and like I said, oh so.
Good for you.
Again, this.
You've never had a one-night stand?
Of course I have.
Like my freshman year of college and I'm growing, constantly growing, like I'm saying, and I'm not trying to do that.
So when I, that wasn't also my intention when I would go out.
It's exactly what you said.
Like pretty much, I like found some people cute and I ended up sleeping with them.
But again, there's that self-control aspect and you live and you learn.
But please, hold on.
I'm not finished with my point.
Finish your point.
So I also know this distinguish between women when they go out and men when they go out.
So I'm not, and I'm also like celibate right now, but I'm not going to.
You've been celibate for a month, by the way.
Okay, I was celibate for nine months before, and honestly, it works wonders because as a woman, I feel like it de-blinds you and it really helps you see yourself.
I'll take your word for it.
I just want to say one thing to that.
A lot of people are not.
Let me just make one point and then I'll let you go.
Come in.
Gentlemen watching, I'm not doubting what she's saying.
It may very well be true.
I'll take her word for it.
I do want to let you guys know a lot of women come on the show and say, my body count is this.
I haven't hooked up with a guy recently.
I'm celibate.
Blah, blah, blah.
Cameras turn off.
We talk behind the scenes and they admit my body count is actually three times, four times.
They'll say, oh, it's five.
And then behind the scenes, I'm not saying you.
They'll tell us the truth.
Oh, they said they're single.
They actually have a boyfriend.
They said they're celibate.
They fucked last night.
So I'm not saying it's the case for hair, but you guys do should take things with a grain of salt when people say certain things.
So, yeah.
Okay.
Not me, but other people.
Anyways.
Okay.
So that distinction I'm making, that makes me knowledgeable about the kind of guys that are in clubs.
So I'm not going to want to seek out a partner in a club, knowing that the majority of men go for those reasons.
That's not really like.
Loose pussy energy donated $200.
Fucking cap.
These 304s cannot stop capping.
Get the fuck out.
Stop the damn cap with all that bullshit.
Yeah, I said it.
Do some.
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Hashtag fuck your rats.
Hashtag get the rocks.
Hashtag I want the smoke.
Do you want to respond to that?
Respectfully, I don't know who hurt you, but go to therapy.
Who hurt you, loose pussy energy?
Like, no, like, get therapy.
Like, I don't know if women hurt you, but not all of us are like that.
Who hurt you?
Anyways, do some introspection healing.
Do it.
But yeah, so that's basically the type of point I'm trying to make is I don't go there to seek out a partner because I know like the men out in the clubs are there because they want to like sleep with the women at the club.
You wouldn't date a guy who goes out to bars or clubs?
Maybe because like I said, the majority.
But then there's always like those outliers in any situation.
So do you think you're the outlier of the girls that go to the clubs?
No, I think the majority of girls do actually go out to have fun and that's what I'm saying.
That's that distinction.
The majority of them takes two detango to like hook up, but not everyone's the same.
And I feel like the outliers in the female population do go to like sleep with men and like seek out men.
Not necessarily in a college environment.
I just mean in a broad context.
Because in college I feel like people are in this independent era of their lives and they kind of go crazy at first and they do have a lot of fun with that.
So I have a question for you.
Let's say you found a high-value man and would you continue going to the clubs with your friends?
It would be that would be a conversation for him and I because I could respect if a man has some trauma and or like trust issues or if he views that in a certain way then like I would probably stop but I wouldn't respect him saying like well I would still want to go out.
That would have to be a conversation we would have but I would still want to like go out with him.
If he doesn't let me go out with my friends I would be like okay well what if you come with us or like you bring your friends I bring my friends.
What if he says he he just doesn't go to bars and clubs and he doesn't want to go out with you guys well like I said that would be a conversation him and I would have to have and openly communicate.
But see you know that going to the clubs portrays a specific image of you then so it's obviously a conversation you would have to have so you understand what going to the club.
Also, why does him not wanting you to go to bars and clubs have to stem from him being like a past trauma or him being insecure?
I assume that's what you said.
And you said, well, if he's got a past trauma and we had to have a conversation about it, what if he just didn't want you to go to bars and clubs?
Because I feel like any conception that anyone forms is based on past experiences.
And I would think when men think that what you guys think you've had unpleasant experiences or you've had some girls that are just kind of like for the team and really do sleep around that go out.
So then you form this conception that all women that go out are like that, if that makes sense.
So it would have to be like a conversation.
We would have to have like a mature open conversation.
Well, okay.
So, but it sounds to me like you would not be willing for your boyfriend, maybe even husband, to give up going to the club.
No, I would be.
Well, you just, that's not what it sounded like.
How did you rephrase that?
Sorry.
Well, okay.
I asked you if your boyfriend said, hey, I don't want you going.
Let's say you asked the guy for commitment and he said, I'm prepared to commit to you.
However, I don't want you going to bars, clubs, and parties anymore.
I would have to ask if he's going to be going to them too.
Let's say no.
Then no.
I would think that the relationship is more important than that.
All right.
Like, that's actually one of the most beautiful things in human life is any social relationships we have.
Friendships are romantic.
So I'd be totally willing to sacrifice going out as long as he is too for our relationship because I would value that more than going out.
Like if I was dying tomorrow, like I would pick like the relationship over going out.
I left the relationship because of that and I was like, I was so miserable.
I hated it.
Like I felt like I was like obeying him and like because he didn't want me to go out.
So I was like not going out also.
But there was like something that I just was not happy about about that.
Like I would like see my friends like going out and like they were in relationships also, but like they were having fun with their partners and stuff like that.
And I just you're so young, like I feel like if, if you want to go out, you should want to go out, don't just like accept like oh, because he's saying like you know, don't go out, or whatever.
Then here question for the whole table, do you guys think a guy not wanting his girlfriend to go to bars clubs parties, do you think that's insecurity?
Do you think that's him being um controlling yes, very controlling.
I think it is insecure and controlling.
But again, that's something that needs to be communicated and there's a reason why a man holds those insecurities.
So, what you call, what you guys might call insecure or controlling, I call having standards and boundaries.
But then why are you attacking her when it was?
She was trying to like, make her thinking?
Attacking her, no attack.
She's a high-value woman.
I didn't use that as a cudgel to attack her.
I was asking how she's a high-value woman.
If she was high-value, she would respect her husband or boyfriend or whatever, telling her that he doesn't want to go in the clubs.
Hold on, high-value man donated $200.
Oh, man.
She's about as high-value as a used gum rapper.
Rat girl is weird, but fine as F.
I bet we all know the answer, but let's have them rate themselves one to ten.
Wait, what?
I bet we all know answers, but let's have them rate themselves one to ten.
Here, high value man.
I want to finish off.
We'll get to that.
We'll get to the one to ten question.
Stifler has it ready for us.
We'll come back to that, okay?
Thank you, man.
So I just want to say that I don't know why you titled yourself as a high-value man.
He wouldn't be sitting behind his phone screen typing right now.
Negative.
Have you ever watched the Kardashians?
No, I haven't.
You've never watched any reality TV?
No.
Have you ever Doom scrolled on TikTok for two hours?
When I was younger, yeah.
When you were younger?
Yeah.
Okay.
So what do you do for I watch like videos that educate myself on what?
On like life, on everything.
Okay.
On the conversations we're having.
So how to make money, like how to invest, like how to have good relationships, how to like love yourself.
I'd rather spend my time watching educational self-improvement content like that and also balancing it out.
This is a highly educational conversation we're having right now.
It is.
Yeah.
I'd rather spend my time.
Thank you, High Value Man.
I appreciate you.
Did you have so you guys were saying it's insecure, I guess?
What are you guys thinking?
Oh, hold on.
We'll go around.
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Is it about herpes?
Is it going to mention herpes?
You mentioned herpes.
Whoa, whoa, let's be nice, okay?
Let's spend that.
Is herpes.
I don't think herpes is.
Can I ask you a question?
Go ahead.
What is wrong with going to the club?
What is wrong for a woman to go to the club?
I'm generally curious to know.
And is it going to clubs, bars, and like parties specifically, or is it just going out with the girls?
What's the difference?
What do you mean, going out with the girls?
Going out with the girls.
Like, are they going to be like, oh, I just don't want you going out with the girls in general?
Which can range from literally getting our nails done, going to the movies, like just having fun.
That's fine.
That's fine.
These are just very specific social scenarios where there's almost going to be an expectation that you get approached.
Look, I get it.
You girls might get hit on your way to Trader Joe's.
You're looking frumpy and you're wearing sweatpants.
I get that that happens.
I'm not saying don't go to Trader Joe's, but these are very, very specific social gathering venues.
These are high-risk environments.
Yeah, and also, I mean, there's a whole bunch of concerns like, okay.
Stuff getting put in the drinks.
Right.
Guys constantly approaching you all night.
And we're talking about from the context of you're in a relationship.
If you're in a relationship, that puts a man, it uneases us because you go out, whether you're with your girlfriends, doing whatever, having fun, you have no intentions of getting late or anything like that, cheating, those things can still happen.
Things that I can't say can still happen.
And then if I told you I don't want you doing that and one of those things happens to transpire, how are you going to explain that to me?
How are you going to tell me that I told you so?
And this is the reason that I told you I didn't want you to do this or I wasn't what's the word I'm looking for?
Fuck, I forgot the word.
I didn't want you to do it, basically.
If I told you I didn't want you to do it and you do it and something happens that comes back and puts our relationship in jeopardy, how are you going to reconcile with me and that relationship?
And that's essentially what it's about.
It's minimizing the risk that anything harmful that could happen to you or our relationship, that's what it is.
It's mitigating that risk.
Because women like to do things and believe they're in full control.
This is not going to happen.
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My girl goes out all the time, drinks even, hooks up with guys at times.
But very secure in my woman, at least washing off after her hook comes.
She even does off.
I am super secure in my future.
You, Brian?
Yeah.
I mean, thank you, Beat and Cheeks.
Appreciate it, man.
Good to see you in the chat, dude.
Good to see you.
Did you want to continue on?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm saying we have these conversations and we never look at the realities of what actually can happen, the possibilities, the probabilities.
We have conversations in general.
We say, oh, we don't like this.
We don't like that.
Or this is insecure.
This is that.
But the reality is these things happen.
They transpire all the time.
There are guys who let their girlfriends go to clubs.
They get cheated on.
Their girlfriends get, I can't say, drugged.
Yeah, they get it.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
That happens.
They might get taken into a bathroom.
It's just mitigating risk.
That's what it is.
And as women, women think, oh, you know, this is not going to happen to me.
I'm in full control.
But the reality is, women don't know what the fuck is going to happen.
Y'all have no idea what's going to happen when y'all put yourselves in these situations.
Just like you said, I'm not picking on you, but you said, yeah, I went to the club and you had the one night stand or whatever.
Yeah, I met a guy, this, that, and the third.
Y'all can't predict what's going to happen.
And that's just the thing.
So it's better to avoid the risk altogether simply because you can't predict what's going to happen.
And that's essentially what it is to us.
We're territorial.
We're protective.
We don't want that to happen to you.
Even if you think that never could, the possibility still exists.
And we're just trying to avoid that possibility.
You can call it insecurity if you want.
We call it territorial.
We call it being protective.
We call it being a leader.
As long as you voice that, I don't think it should be an issue, if that makes sense.
Did you have something?
I was going to say it could happen anywhere.
I mean, like, to be completely fair, like differentiating from what area you live in to everything.
I feel like that's.
We're not saying that, though.
Yeah, but I feel like even in those places specifically, why not go together?
Like, why not make sure she's safe?
Why not have fun with her?
Why not?
I don't know what your views are on going out with your girl, but I think, I just think going out in general, and perhaps I'm a bit risk-averse in this sense, going out to these environments in general is dangerous to begin with.
Like, you've been out to parties in IV, right?
How many fights do you see when you go out and party in IV?
Every single fucking night, right?
Some dude, fucking brain damage, some 19-year-old kid smacked his head on the concrete, brain damage, rest of his life.
It's not worth it.
And like, the thing is, when you go out with your girl, especially if your girl is not like, if she, some girls might have a loud mouth, right?
Let me ask you guys a question.
If you were out with your guy and some guy like walked by and said some shit to you, would you want your man to like defend you, intervene on your behalf?
No, because it doesn't matter.
Why does it matter?
But I was just about to say, I said, I don't party or club when I'm 30 now.
When I was 20, I went to a club.
When I was 21, I went to a club with my girlfriend at the time.
And I don't like those environments.
I told her I didn't want to go.
But it was her birthday.
And her older sister was like, we going.
I got her.
You know what I'm saying?
We all going to go together.
It was me, her sister, her male cousin.
And just for example, I hated it.
I did not want to be there.
I didn't like the environment.
She got drunk.
It was her birthday, she got a little too drunk, and when she was coming back from the bathroom, she bumped into a guy accidentally.
He goes, Watch where you're going, bitch.
Like that.
So, what do you think I have to do now?
Now, I got to step in because you just disrespected my woman.
She can't help herself.
She tried to catch herself.
She couldn't help.
Her sister was supposed to help her, but her sister was going to help her because she went to the bathroom with her.
But she stumbled and hit him.
He was like, Watch where you're going, bitch.
So now I got to step in.
So now there's a conflict in the club that I have to defend that I shouldn't have to because I didn't want to go to begin with, but I tried to be understanding.
And that's what Ryan means by risk-averse too.
It's a risky environment, not only for things regarding y'all, drinks, drugs, all of that stuff, but conflict.
I understand all of this, and I feel like it's all pointing fingers towards the root issue at hand, which is alcohol, which makes people out of control.
That's why I think it was really cool how you said you haven't been drinking for so many days because our society has normalized it.
34, but during my celibacy, I was also like not drinking either.
I do it like periodically.
Because see what kind of issues we run into.
Like your girlfriend couldn't control herself.
She stumbled upon someone.
People cheat on their partners.
That's the other thing.
Men get into fights.
It does make people more aggressive.
It makes people have sex with people they didn't want to have sex with.
So I feel like that's really the root issue at hand.
And that's also why I don't want to be doing it as often.
So I understand where you guys are coming from.
That's why I think it's very different if like girls just like go out with their girlfriends to like a restaurant, for example, than in a club because alcohol does pose a lot of issues.
And that's why if I had a dinner, that's right.
Yeah, and if I had a significant partner right now, like I probably wouldn't want them to go out either because then there's that risk of them cheating on you.
So I actually value your point a lot.
Actually, it really like opened my mind.
And if I had a boyfriend right now, I probably wouldn't want him to go out.
And I would respect him not wanting me to go out because there are a lot of risks that would jeopardize the relationship or our safety, especially the safety of a woman.
And Tad, what Q was saying.
So if you're a girl, especially if there's alcohol involved, if your girl's mouthy, like I've seen so many, you can find fight videos online.
I've seen it in person where a girl will mouth off to some dude.
You can see this anywhere.
You'll see it like in the NFL game in the stadium.
I've seen videos of there was this one video of this girl mouthing off to some dude.
And then the dude who she was mouthing off to is like, okay, she's not a threat, but the boyfriend is.
I'm going to scorch the boyfriend.
And he just fucking boom clocks him.
Cool.
Brain damage.
Good times.
So it's just, it's a risky situation to be in, especially if you got like your girl's drinking, if she can be mouthy.
And like, I, bro, it's you're it's at risk because a lot of women know that they can mouth off to a dude and they're not going to do anything.
But if your boyfriend's in the picture, that guy who you're mouthing off to, he starts looking aggression to you.
Oh, okay, he's a potential threat.
Boom.
Now you're in a fight.
And that could be life-changing shit.
People go to people go to bars and clubs.
They get drunk.
They punch somebody.
The guy hits his head on the concrete.
Boom.
Murder.
20 years in prison.
Or if you're on the receiving end of it, permanent, you fucking die, brain damage.
It's crazy.
So it's just not worth it.
And then, of course, like you were saying, like, if you go out, like, we as men, if you guys are looking at us to be protectors, that's us being it, like, trying to protect you from risky situations.
And we know that, like, the guys, like you guys said, the guys that go to these environments might not be the most respectable members of the community.
Who knows what?
They might try to put something in your drink.
They might try to drug.
They might try to grab up on you.
Like, we don't want you in that position.
That's us protecting you and wanting to protect the relationship.
So that's why communication is so important.
Because if you're just telling your partner, hey, I don't want you to go to a club.
I don't want you to go to a party.
And they're like, okay, why?
Oh, just because I don't want you to go.
If you're telling them, like, oh, these are the risk factors that are going into it, I would understand more.
But if you're just telling me no and you're like, I just don't want you to go, I'm going to think you're being controlling and trying to stop me.
Yeah, and I get that.
I understand that.
A lot of y'all date idiots.
A lot of y'all date guys who can't articulate themselves.
They don't know how to explain how they feel.
And that's what you resort to.
You believe, okay, this is coming from a place of insecurity.
But when you have guys like me and Brian who know how to articulate ourselves, I can tell, I'm a great leader in my relationships.
I know how to tell my woman.
I know how to express exactly to my woman why I don't want her to do something.
And most of the time, she'll understand.
I say most of the time because sometimes y'all hard-headed and y'all stubborn.
But most of the time, she will understand.
Okay, I can understand that.
And to the guys out there watching, it's easier to just avoid women who enjoy doing things.
Like she said, like you say, you felt trapped.
Yeah, exactly.
But mine'sn't just clubs or bars.
Like Mines, I couldn't even go to a trip with my girls to Hawaii.
I wasn't allowed to go to any concerts.
Like the weekend concert, like I remember specifically that I wanted to go with my girlfriends.
And like he just was like, no, you're not allowed to go do any of that because of the reason that you guys had spoken about.
Okay, okay, yeah.
So it's easier for the fellas out there.
Y'all just date women or try to find women who value what you value.
Who y'all ride in the same circles.
Y'all have the same interests.
Assortive mating is a thing.
Homogamy is a thing.
Date somebody who values the same things you value in terms of activities and things that you can do because there are women who are entitled to do whatever the fuck they want to do.
And as a guy, exercising good mate selection is understanding you have to eliminate those women from your dating pool.
It's that simple.
Yeah, I agree because we would always go out when we were first dating.
So that kind of like twisted my mind.
I was like, why was it okay in the beginning?
And now it's not.
Like I got snatched of it.
Right.
And I can understand that too with him switching up.
That's another thing.
I agree.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good.
Good talk.
Good talk.
I would also argue, though, like as a guy, you mentioned like, well, there needs to be communication about this.
I would actually argue that a good woman, a high-value woman, you actually don't need to tell her.
She does this stuff automatically.
Oh, so you just want us to do what you say?
You snap your fingers and we just.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
Like, you just know, like, that's just how you're coming into the relationship.
Yeah, you lose interest in it essentially.
Like, I shouldn't have to tell you to stop club.
First off, I personally probably would not pursue a woman who even has a proclivity towards going out because I don't really drink.
I'll occasionally have like a beer, a glass of wine, rarely.
I maybe have once every three months, I'll have a glass of wine.
I never been blacked out.
I've got sick one time.
And then after that, I was like, okay, one, two drinks, max.
But I don't go out, don't go out to the bars, don't really drink.
I'll give you ladies another example that speaks to Brian's point.
The last relationship I was in at my college, I dated one of the women who was on the women's basketball team.
And the women's basketball team, they like to go out and club and party.
I mean, college women, they're always on the road.
They play games.
I went to a Division I University, so they were super busy.
So whenever they got the opportunity, they went out.
When we got in a relationship, she never wanted to go out with them anymore.
Like, she would just tell them, just go ahead.
I didn't even have to say anything.
I didn't have to tell her I was uncomfortable with it.
I didn't have to express that.
She voluntarily gave that up.
And then what that turned into is because she was one of the captains on the team, she said, Well, why don't we just have girls' night in my room?
Like, they would literally just set up beer pong in their in the room, and they would play beer pong.
They would invite some of the men's team if they wanted to come over.
They play beer pong.
We'd play, what's the little game where you take the logs out?
Drinking launch.
Yeah, Jenga.
We play that.
It was really simple.
She altered the way that she heard fun for me, and the whole team followed behind that because she was the captain.
But I didn't have to say anything because she already knew that that was risky situations, and she respected me to the point to where I didn't have to communicate that to her.
She just knew to do it.
I got a question for all the girls here.
Would you object to your boyfriend going to the strip club when you're during the relationship?
We'll go around the table.
Yes.
Why don't you trust him?
Because, like, you go to the strip.
That's kind of insecure.
Naked woman.
That's kind of insecure, though.
Controlling.
That's really controlling that you wouldn't let your boyfriend go.
And you're treating other women, like, tape me.
Like, I was treated for you, but I.
Oh, but it's a boy's night out.
Like, he wants to hang out with his boys.
Like, have fun, blow off some steam.
No.
Oh, okay.
I'd say as long as he's going to stay loyal and he's not actually going to do anything, I'd be fine with it.
Okay, that's fine.
Do your thing.
Okay.
You'd be cool with him going to the strip club?
As being a retired stripper, I think it would be okay because when I danced, the last thing I wanted to do was be with those guys.
I'm just here to get your business.
That's fair because I was going to make the point.
Go, go, please go.
I was going to make the point that the reality is, though, some of you might object to your boyfriend going to the strip club.
The reality is his chances with the female strippers is like, is pretty much close to infinity.
Whereas when you guys go out to bars and clubs, if you were so inclined to cheat, probably like 90% of the dudes in the club would fuck you.
So that's the difference.
Would and want to.
You'd be cool with your boyfriend going to the strip club?
And I also think that it's a weird concept.
The way I enjoy it.
That's how the boys have fun.
The way I go to strip club.
I've always envisioned strip clubs in my mind is like a bunch of pathetic men getting together, going to the strip club, getting hard together, and then going home.
There was actually a lot of people who were having meetings there when I was there.
Why do it?
Why do you have to do it?
I know men are much more visual.
Like they seek out.
They value look so much more and like that visual aesthetic.
I would actually come to life.
But I just think it's cringy and pathetic.
And I just.
You know what's cringy and pathetic?
Women going out to bars and clubs.
But we're talking about in relationships.
Like you guys were saying, if I was in a relationship again, I wouldn't want my boyfriend to go out.
And like I would respect him not wanting me to go out.
So it's the same thing.
If you're single, do what you want to do.
I still think it's a little pathetic.
You cool with the boyfriend going to the strip club?
Into the mic, please.
I'm kind of half and half.
I don't like the idea, if I'm being honest.
I don't see why he would do that if he has his own girl.
Why go to the club if you got a man?
It's different.
How's it different?
It's different depending on the situation.
Like, recently I went to the club with my friend to celebrate her birthday.
So it's like I wasn't there with the intentions of pursuing a man if that makes sense.
Did you get approached when you went out?
I have before.
No, that specific night, though.
Did you get approached?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
What about you?
No, I would not.
It's not even a trust thing.
It's just a terrible environment.
Okay, Maddie, what about you?
Absolutely not.
Okay.
Nope.
Nope.
All right.
What about this?
What about your boyfriend paying for another girl's, or not another girl's, but a girl's only fans while in a relationship with you?
Would you object to that?
Yes.
I wouldn't date a guy like that.
I mean, it's just a subscription.
It's just like he's paying to see another girl naked.
Like, porn is free.
Yeah.
I mean, even watching porn.
Yeah, porn.
You know what I think?
Wait, is there no like free subscriptions?
No, no.
It doesn't really matter.
You're paying to see some other woman.
Maybe not.
Yeah, maybe not to pay, because it's like, come on, man.
You can buy lunch for free.
Not even for free.
It's human nature.
No, it's not.
I think.
Wait, let's go around the table.
Sorry, what was the question?
Would you be cool with your boyfriend paying for Girls OnlyFans?
No.
No, but you can pay for mine.
I think your boyfriend should get that shit for free, but okay.
No, and I think it does.
That's kind of controlling and insecure of you.
But there's like intentions behind that.
Like we're saying it's kind of like the same thing as watching porn.
I don't think it's normal.
I think it's become normal.
And I think that it doesn't just impact relationships negatively.
I think it impacts the people that are watching it negatively.
For example, it gives you an overload of dopamine, which makes you procrastinate the goals you actually want to get to.
And going to nightclubs, bars, and parties gives you an overload of those same exact chemicals because you're in a high-energy, stimulating environment.
Thank you, Brian.
Yes, I know.
And guys are hitting on you trying to get out of the way.
And you're getting attention.
No, but you're getting attention from other men.
And men and women value different things.
So men want sex, women want attention.
So you're getting attention from men, whether you intend to sleep with them or not.
So you're getting attention from these other men.
You're getting validation from them.
So you're not getting, you should be getting that exclusively from your boyfriend.
Yes, we already talked about this.
That's why if I was in a relationship, I wouldn't want my boyfriend to go out and I wouldn't go out.
But anyways, I think, again, it's also pathetic for a man to follow OnlyFans or watch porn when he's in a relationship because then what's the point of the relationship?
You might as well be single.
Like that's a commitment you're committing to a person to only sleep with them and see them in that sexual romantic light.
Why do you need to see other women like that?
Strip club, OnlyFans, porn.
Would you?
Can we pull up Nick?
Can we pull up Nicole's Instagram profile?
Would you be willing to make your Instagram private or take down certain revealing photos on your Instagram in a relationship?
She's like, hell no.
I don't know.
Again, I would need to think of that.
Wait, but it's okay.
You wouldn't.
Like, I would need to talk to myself.
Would you have an issue with your boyfriend liking other women's Instagram photos and following IG models?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, but so you would be posting pathetic again.
No, I would not.
Honestly, I wouldn't.
Well, but you do have those kind of photos on your list.
Am I in a relationship?
And if you're not.
No, but if you were, I'm asking if you were in a relationship.
I don't want to post those types of pictures anymore.
Because again, I'm constantly growing, but I know what you're talking about.
And I don't really post pictures like that anymore.
No, but you still have them up.
Okay, and that was like part of me.
I'm a different.
I'm still the same person.
Right, but you could archive them.
You can make them private.
Yeah, if you want me to.
Yeah.
You'd be okay with that.
Okay, that's fine.
Yeah.
I think it's little boy shit.
What's little boy shit?
Watching porn.
Like, why don't you go do that live action with your girlfriend?
What if she doesn't want to?
Yeah, what if she doesn't want to?
Then you, I don't know.
I think sex is a very important part of the relationship.
Dump her.
And if he has to resort to porn, then like.
Okay.
Wait, you say dump her.
What if she's on her period?
Oh, that's fine.
Period sex.
You're saying, like, if it's, I was under the assumption you're talking, like, there's a prolonged period of time where your girlfriend doesn't want to have sex with you.
No, not like a prolonged period of time.
Let's say you guys have normal sex and then you go up to her.
You want to have sex tonight?
Oh, no, that's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking if like there's prolonged periods of time where it's like a dead bedroom and you guys don't fuck anymore.
If you, if the woman wants to dump the man because he doesn't fuck her anymore, that's totally valid too.
Yeah.
So, do you have something?
I just had something to do, like, with the OnlyFans, right?
You mentioned that like online content is like, you know, a big issue.
But before, I mean, yeah, it did make it more readily available.
But before there was online content, there were magazines.
Before there were magazines, there were hotels.
Before there were hotels, there were houses.
There were brothels.
It goes back, right?
So it's sex is a very natural thing for people.
And I think it's completely healthy where if my partner, like if I don't want to have sex with my partner, they should be able to go wank off real quick, relieve whatever attention they have, and get back to their day.
You know, it's kind of, it's their body.
So I don't see why it would be wrong to have to watch something for it to happen because it's just so natural.
I mean, even in the wild, like, other animals will watch each other and jack off.
So it's like.
Oh.
What you're saying, you're kind of saying that porn has been seen in different sources over the history of time, but that doesn't change the fact that it's unhealthy that men going to prostitutes, like prostitutes being prostitutes, brothels, magazines.
That doesn't change the fact that it's still unhealthy in a form of excessive dopamine.
So this is true.
I agree with that.
This is true.
Thank you.
But at the same time, it could also create an issue.
Because if you have like this unrealistic ideology, like let's say you're like, oh, I only want to have sex once a week.
And your partner wants to have sex a little more often.
And you're like, nope, once a week.
And then you don't want them to be jacking off.
You don't want them to be watching that stuff online, right?
So then what issue does that create for your partner?
They're stressed.
They're tense all the time.
They're probably thinking about cheating because they're so riled up.
They haven't gotten anything.
And the way that they are specifically, they want it, right?
Wait, I don't see that.
I have something related to that.
In that situation, who should be making the compromise?
Or is that something that should be determined on a relationship by relationship basis?
Should the woman try to compromise and be like, try to have more sex with the man?
Should the man be like, well, okay.
Well, it should be distinguished amongst both parties, you know?
And if that's something that you feel like, let's say you don't like your partner watching that stuff, I feel like that's something you should discuss really upfront because a lot of men, a lot of women, a lot of people, you know, are going to be watching stuff like that.
And they're going to be doing stuff, especially if they're not having their needs met.
You know what I'm saying?
I do have to move the conversation on a little bit.
I actually have one last example here.
Let's say you were married, had kids, and you were, let's say you had three kids and it was getting kind of stressful and you wanted to hire a nanny.
Would you have a preference, for example, maybe hiring an older nanny compared to like a hot 19-year-old nanny?
I'd say it depends who has more experience because for all we know, the 90-year-old nanny might have only been a nanny for two years.
19-year-old.
Well, the 19, you never know.
She might have been a nanny from when she was 12, 13.
Who knows?
Yeah.
Who knows?
It just depends on the fact that I do think it would be the case that a lot of wives would probably prefer having maybe hiring the less attractive nanny than the like hot, super hot nanny.
Do they not trust their husbands?
Are they insecure?
Or could it come down to there's temptation and there's opportunity and the means.
So I think in that situation, instead of worrying about who's hot, who's not, you should think about who has more qualifications to be watching your child.
Like if they're going to know what to do.
Equally qualified.
Equally qualified.
Whoever I got to pay less.
Exact.
You pay them the exact same.
Look, I'm not saying all women would choose this, but I think all things being equal, a lot of women might opt to hire the less attractive women.
Some might not care, but.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I think there's a little bit less risk with the older one because I feel like maybe the younger one will be like on the phone and like, what if my baby like falls or something?
You have to assume in the scenario that they're going to take care of your child just and I feel like the older one will like be more wiser, like be able to teach me like little things like, oh, like you should wrap your baby like this or just like more tricks.
I feel like a 19-year-old won't know those types of things.
Okay.
You just said they have the same experience like in everything.
Like the hypothetical was that if.
All right, here we're going to move on.
I need to read a couple chats.
We have TJ King.
Hey, thank you, man.
Ladies, do you think married women in today's society do not notice?
The man's efforts to support her and the children, i.e. wife, you don't spend enough time with me, husband.
I work 60 to 80 hour weeks.
Do not notice the man's effort to support her and the children?
Do you guys want to answer that?
Going around the table?
I think that that contributes to a lot of problems in mature relationships because obviously us women want our man to be hardworking, but then us women do like attention and validation, like you guys are saying.
Like in a relationship, we do need that attention, validation, like show us that you love us, like even though we're together and committed, like constantly show us that.
But I think that if you want, as women, if you guys want a top G, you're going to have to make certain compromises when it comes to the attention that you get from this guy.
Because if you want a very high-earning man, which a lot of women are attracted to men with high status or who are high earners, dude's probably going to be busy.
Probably not going to be able to spend as much time with you as your boyfriend in college that didn't have jack shit going on.
So.
Yeah.
Definitely, but there just needs to be some communication about that.
Or him doing like as much as he can to give.
Did anybody have any other thoughts on the chat?
Okay.
All right.
Yo, we got cheeks here.
Beat in cheeks.
Hey, thank you, man.
A high-value woman is a traditional woman who has good religious values, a virgin, not fat, that will not be a headache to any man.
Men do not care about your college education, your travels, or exes.
That's facts.
That's facts.
Facts?
Does anyone disagree with that?
I kind of do because I mean, like, if it doesn't matter about your college degree or anything, then are you just picking a woman because she's pretty?
Like, do you not like this is the woman that's going to be raising your kids, and you're saying a college degree isn't important?
What is she?
She's not important at all.
Yeah, that doesn't necessarily correlate to her.
Rather than be a wife or a mother.
What I'm just trying to kind of get at was mainly just like education in general, like in life skills.
You know, you're saying a high-value woman is just going to do whatever you say, but if someone's agreeing with you, all where is it?
Unless she got a degree from how to be a wife university.
Well, if she's just agreeing with everything, then you have no growth either.
No, well, first off, some of the most stupid and brain-dead people have college degrees.
Like, just because you were able to sit there and let's basically college is a five-figure, you basically want somebody to read to you.
Like, congratulations, you're able to be a cog in the machine and complete the tasks.
I don't think college is really pumping out anything really spectacular intellectually.
So, yeah, kind of where I was like going with that was more on like education on like how to do real life things.
College?
No, sorry.
Just what I took away from him basically saying college degree was like kind of an education.
Well, I mean, essentially what he was saying was: if you ask women, what do men value, when you ask women what they bring to the table, they often say college education.
I'm educated.
Yeah.
So what he's saying is men don't care about that.
And it's not that we don't care, but that's not our predominant.
That's not our preference.
Like, we don't value that.
If there's a hierarchy of things that we value in women, college education is not going to be at the top.
We have a preference for youth and beauty, how kind you are, how feminine you are.
Like things that actually make you enjoyable to be around and a mentality and attitude that can raise our kids.
That's what we value more than the college education.
This is very true.
But how are like looks and femininity and all like that, all of that going to actually raise your kids?
That's attraction.
You got to create them.
That's what starts your connection.
Yeah.
How is your degree in what's the fucking bullshit degree that people have?
Women's studies?
Women's studies.
Women's studies.
Yeah, in feminism.
How's that going to help you raise your children?
Congrats, you have a bachelor's in feminist studies.
I mean, shoot, do you learn a little bit of history in that?
You learn false history and bullshit and man-hating.
Actually, I would argue that if your college degree is in feminist studies, that makes you barred.
You should be barred from having children and families because if you burr the son, you're going to hate your son.
If you have a husband, you're going to hate your husband.
So, no, I don't think getting, and also the reality is, I think in a lot of universities, I think it's a requirement, in my opinion, I don't know.
Do you have to take any sociology or feminist studies classes as general education?
Sociology.
Yeah, you got to take sociology.
But I feel like you can pick to what you want to take.
Congratulations.
You've just learned how to hate men.
Cool.
Essentially.
Basically.
That's what that is.
I think that.
All these college institutions are just churning out man-hating women, basically.
That's what they are.
They're indoctrination factories.
Believe this.
99% of my professors are probably liberal.
Okay, I'm going to believe the main storyline, and I also believe in feminism.
And men are terrible, and men are oppressors, even though 60% of college graduates are women, and women don't have any opportunities, and there's male privilege, even though I'm more educated than my male counterparts.
So, hello?
Sorry, I'm just ranting there.
Facts.
It's facts.
It's true.
I agree too.
What do you disagree with on that?
Oh, just the fact that what do you disagree with?
That colleges are teaching that now instead of like actual science.
Well, most women don't major in STEM.
They don't major in any of the sciences.
Those are predominantly still men.
Most of the nursing, education, the feminine studies, all of those liberal arts, those are predominantly women.
Women are getting degrees mostly in those fields.
Nursing is probably the most useful field that most women get degrees in.
Your college education does not make you more attractive.
I think, college or not, I feel like everyone's attracted to education, like even if it's not through college, just someone who has the same values and morals as you and the same ideas as you.
Whether college has to do with it or not, you know.
And I, and I had, I had made a video.
I had made a video talking about that.
I said, women who think men should value their education and their degrees, why don't we take OnlyFans and we substitute it with degrees?
We turn it into OnlyDegrees and see how much money women make by posting their degree.
Degree-ass white girl, a woman with a fat ass degree.
Like, why don't we take OnlyFans and substitute all the adult content that's posted on there with women posting their degrees and their education and their credentials and see how much money they make?
That shows you what men value right there.
I think the guy's comment itself was just fucking stupid.
The traditional wife is a virgin, and the traditional wife being a virgin and things like that.
Like automatically, if you want your partner to be a virgin and you're not, like, I think that's.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I think people just have their own.
What's wrong with wanting a virgin?
Why is that the perfect girl?
Why is that the perfect girl?
Because she hasn't been sexually conquered by anybody yet.
So fucking stupid.
It's what men are attracted to.
Actually, yes, Nick, I think we have those already pulled up.
I mean, look, it's one, there's hold on, hold on, Nick.
Hold on.
I mean, one, STD risk.
So, a woman who's a virgin, like absent her getting something from her mother in childbirth, very unlikely to have an STD.
A woman who's okay, cool.
You get tested.
You have herpes.
Congratulations.
Don't be with them then.
Wait, what?
But okay, if you're promiscuous, if you sleep with a lot of people, then you the likelihood of you having a sexually transmitted disease is higher.
Yes, absolutely.
And sometimes they're asymptomatic, and you can pass it along to your partner.
The other thing is, when women have had a lot of sexual partners, their ability to pair bond with future partners is greatly diminished.
The likelihood of infidelity is much higher.
The likelihood of reporting relationship and marriage dissatisfaction is much higher.
What else?
The likelihood of divorce is much higher, and they've done studies on this.
And also, like, men and the women value experience, whereas as a guy, women like men who are leaders.
As a guy, if you have sexual experience, you will be able to have good sex with a woman who's a virgin.
It's not clear to me if women seek out virgins to have really good experiences.
They actually don't.
They actually don't prefer that, according to the research.
And my last two girlfriends were both virgins.
I'm not a virgin.
I know how to date.
I know how to fuck.
But essentially, I turned them out.
They imprinted on me.
I liked making them feel like they were mine.
I became the standard of what they're used to.
It's an ego stroke.
It's an ego boost.
I'm not going to lie about that.
I put it on her right.
She'd be like, ah, all I can think about is you.
All I realize is you.
You're the only thing I know.
That's attractive to me.
I like doing that.
And I'm sure there are men who feel the same way.
So, of course, it's an ego stroke.
It's an ego boost.
You got to it first, and they were my girlfriends.
I made them my girlfriends.
That's only fair.
If you're a virgin, I'm going to make you my girlfriend.
Like, we can work towards something.
Now, I'm not like that.
A woman doesn't have to be a virgin for me, but I don't want her to have been around the block.
I don't want her to have had a whole bunch of casual sexual encounters.
And that's understandable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's you can totally have the preference of just like have a normal amount of partners.
I don't know.
Yeah, but normal in today's day and age is like by the time she's 21, she's slept with 10 plus guys.
I don't know.
So I don't want normal.
And she lost her virginity at 18.
Or younger.
Typically, younger.
It honestly depends on the state in the area.
Yeah, I was going to say like 90% of the girls in my area.
In San Diego?
In my Vista area.
I don't.
It's in, yeah, that's a city in San Diego.
Okay.
Is what?
They're just trad wives.
Is that what you're saying?
No, they're.
California is pretty degenerate when it comes to sex, so I'm assuming that, like, probably.
Are you saying women in your area have a low body count in San Diego?
San Diego's like super liberal progressive.
I don't know about that, but we aren't.
It's facts.
A lot of these.
Madison's from.
Wait, that's facts.
Yeah.
You're from San Diego?
Okay.
Where are you from?
I'll tell you after.
Heard.
Also, men just biologically are attracted to women who are not promiscuous.
So a virgin is like the epitome of non-promiscuity.
Do you disagree that men are not don't have that men are not biologically attracted to non-promiscuous women?
I'm not disagreeing with that.
I think it's definitely like a possible thing, but I've also met men that are remember.
Remember the conversation we had earlier when we were talking about sexual competition and how we evolved to be monogamous because of our polygamous past?
So it speaks to that.
So if men develop spurring competition, that means men were fucking the same woman all throughout our evolutionary history, and those men couldn't tell who the child's father was.
Paternity uncertainty, which means one way to combat that is to simply have a virgin.
But that's the scientific explanation for why we're repulsed by women who are promiscuous because we have that same wiring in our brain that evolved, that was passed down.
We have that same repulsivity, that same repugnance for a promiscuous woman because it signals to us this woman could have us taking care of another man's child.
And that's disrespectful to a man unknowingly for him to be taking care of another man's child.
It's not just disrespectful, it is the biggest L of betrayal.
Like to raise, to think the child is yours, think you've passed on your genes, but in actuality, this chick could essentially be stealing away your lineage.
That's the biggest fucking L a guy can take in life, is raising a child that he thinks is his, that actually isn't.
Doing everything he can to provide, protect, provision for a child that's not young.
That's why men care more about this.
Because as women, if you have a kid, in all situations, you know the kid's yours.
Yeah.
It could be from this guy, from that guy, from this guy, you know with certainty it's yours because that comes with the fact that you're the ones who actually birth the children.
However, as guys, there's not really a way for us to 100% know at all.
So one of the big ways we can look at that, and this just comes down, this is just in the same way that why are women attracted to tall guys?
I mean, you like a taller, bigger guy is more capable of physically protecting you.
A woman who's promiscuous is more likely to essentially be cucking you.
That's also why we get jealous as well.
A lot of people think jealousy.
I mean, essentially, jealousy is a byproduct of us deterring potential threats to our woman.
We get jealous at any perceived threat because, of course, that raises the risk of you sleeping with him, getting pregnant by him, and then I'm raising another man's kid.
So it's better to just deter that man through jealousy.
If a woman knows her man is jealous, she's less inclined to cheat.
Not all the time, because I've had experiences where I had really jealous boyfriends and they cheated.
Yeah, well, I'm talking about why jealousy exists.
It don't have to be all the time, but in general, like this is what's been measured and this is what's been found scientifically.
That's why we get jealous, essentially.
Okay.
Yeah.
Here, let me get a couple chats here.
We have.
Oh, wait.
Did I read the?
Oh, no.
Yo, thank you, Cheeks.
When I go to strip clubs, I go to look at the menu for the food, ignore the waitresses and dancers, and thoroughly enjoy what type of dressing they put in the salad bars, never to seek attention.
There you have it.
Real quick, can everyone pull their mics towards the end of the table?
Oh, yeah.
The mics.
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you for.
Thank you for pointing that out, Nick.
We have Stagner.
What makes a woman high value to a man looking for a partner is that she acts and lives her life in a way that he trusts her to always make the right decision.
Going to the club does not affirm that.
Well put, Stagner.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate the chat.
We have.
Oh, one thing on the club thing related to what Stagner was saying.
I mean, I think the boundary as a guy of not wanting to date a woman who goes to bars, clubs, and parties is a perfectly reasonable dating standard for commitment-minded men.
And I think it acts as a great filter against independent women who think that they can kind of sleoot around, toe around, while having a stable dude as a safety net.
Like, a lot of women claim that men are commitment phobic, but when we say, here's what we need for you to secure our commitment, you guys don't want to make a lot of compromises, it seems.
So that's one of the reasons I'm single.
You must be dealing with some pretty shitty women.
It's women who are stuck in their own hands.
No, I'm actually most of the women I've dated were not, even before dating them, they weren't going out to bars and clubs anyways.
So I just, because I, it's not even just like a standard or a boundary.
It's just a mismatch of values.
Like, I don't go, I rarely drink.
I don't go to bars.
I don't go to clubs.
I don't go to parties.
So, in addition to me just not wanting it in a partner, I don't do it myself.
So, I feel like I wouldn't have a lot of lot in common with, like, give me a shy, nerdy library chick or some shit.
I don't want the party girl.
So, here we have a chat here from Praxis.
Brian, I have excellent news.
Your hypothyroidism means you're medically disqualified from joining any branch of the military in any capacity.
Okay, you and anyone with health issues like asthma, HIV cancer, is safe from the draft.
Also, warfare is good for men.
I would say competition.
I don't think warfare is good for men.
Like, all the vets that went to World War I and World War II probably were not like, yeah, the fucking glory of war.
Like, nah, trench foot, chemical gas.
Actually, do we have?
I don't know if we can pull up photos of men who have been who suffered from like mustard gas and shit during World War II, but trust me, dude, like, there's no glory in war.
So yeah.
Warfare is good for men though, dude.
Warfare almost.
I mean, look, like being part of the military can instill discipline and structure in your life and stuff, but actual warfare, that breaks men.
That breaks men.
JJ, supply and demand.
Obesity is a problem in USA, and hot girls are in low supply and in demand.
The few who are attractive can get whatever they want from men with little effort.
Countries without obesity issues have women who are multifaceted and hot because they have to compete for men.
Hmm.
Word?
Thank you, JJ.
Oh, that's not fair.
What do you mean?
Yeah, I feel like that's kind of like fat shaming.
What do you mean?
Like, is he saying that obese girls, like, they don't get that?
They don't, they're not considered hot and they're in low demand?
He's talking about his own preferences.
Oh.
Wait, what's you said it was fat shaming?
Yeah, I thought he was saying like obese women, like, they're in low supply or like it's like not hot girls are in low supply in demand.
Because obesity is a problem in America, is what he's saying.
Wait, let me ask you guys a question.
Would you object to a bigger woman?
Well, I mean, if a man wants that.
But let me ask you guys a question.
ADW is the most looked up in porn.
I thought it was lesbian.
But it doesn't mean that they're not going to die earlier from heart failure.
And also, I feel like that's a fetish.
Wait, let me ask you a question.
Would you object to a guy not wanting to date a woman purely just on her being overweight?
Do you object to that?
Do I object to a man not wanting to be with a woman?
Not wanting to date a woman just because she's overweight.
That's his choice.
But do you object to his choice?
That's his choice.
Right, but do you object to that choice?
But that's his choice.
You're not answering my.
You can repeat yourself, but you're not answering my question.
Do you think it's wrong?
Like, you can realize, like, who am I to, who the fuck am I to say you're wrong and right?
Like, but do you think he's shaming?
Do you think he should?
Yeah, do you think that's fat shaming?
In a sense, maybe, yes.
Okay, I'm trying to think how I frame the question.
He doesn't like bigger girls.
And do you think that's wrong?
In his right, that's his own preference.
He doesn't want bigger girls.
He has an opinion.
He's okay to have that.
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Okay.
Do you guys want to fire back at?
I mean, they're the one who spent.
Is this another fucking loser behind the screen?
Yes.
Okay, shots fired.
Wait, so okay.
We're considered dumb because we're sitting on this podcast?
No, tell me about it.
Okay.
So.
Yeah, you can't take it down.
All right.
They're just mad because they're not here.
Super, super mad.
Do you think it's like superficial or shallow or wrong or anything?
Any sort of way for a guy?
I just think that it was a little like unfair.
No, no, no.
get the chat I'm asking you a question related to the chat but do you think it's wrong for a guy to not want to date oh she could let's say she's a fantastic woman Would you object to a guy not wanting to date a woman who's overweight?
I would think...
You can answer the question.
Go ahead.
I wouldn't think it's fair.
Say with your chest.
What?
I wouldn't think it's fair.
You wouldn't think it's fair.
But where in dating does fairness exist?
Where in attraction does fairness?
But like, what if she was like what you guys were talking about, like a virgin and like all these other things, but she's just overweight.
The number one factor.
That could be changed, though.
Like, that you could work on that.
Yeah, you can.
But the number one factor in attraction as men.
Is conditional shit?
What if she has like their thyroid problems or something like that?
And she just like.
But look, that doesn't change the visceral response we have to seeing a woman.
When we see a woman and a woman is attractive, subconsciously, we have a response.
We release serotonin, norepinephrine.
These are responses that we have to seeing women who are attractive.
If we don't get that response, and it's because she's overweight, we don't get that response.
I agree, and I'm not saying, you know, don't put your health and make it like a priority, but I was just saying, like, I just didn't think that that's fair.
That, like, I just don't understand how preference is unfair.
Yeah, it's a preference.
Like, does anyone say that?
Before I have anybody else come in, does anybody agree with her?
Anybody agree?
No.
Do you agree?
Nicole?
No.
Anybody?
Okay.
Wait, hold on.
Let me do it.
How would you feel if...
Wait, if I was obese, that makes me unmarried, unmeritable?
No, no.
Like, unwifeable?
No, no.
Like, I'm not high value just because I'm overweight?
No.
No, what we're saying is that men have a preference for slimmer bodies, especially it can be context-specific because weight is the one fee, like the one factor that is variable cross-culturally dependent on where you are.
So if you go somewhere where food is scarce, women who are heavier would probably be more desirable because it speaks to them being healthier.
But where food is abundant, you would like smaller women.
So in the West, food is abundant.
We're overweight.
Women are overweight.
So that means they're consuming too much and not doing enough exercise.
But what we're saying, what I'm saying is, I just wanted to ask, if your boyfriend was to cheat on you with a fat woman, how would that make you feel?
Oh, that would hurt my feelings.
That would hurt your feelings, right?
Like, not even just the cheating itself, but the fact that it's a fat woman.
Would that include?
Just in general, that would cheat out.
Wait.
Because women engage in intersexual competition too.
So one of the things women will shame other women for is being fat.
So that's why I said that women call each other whores.
They talk about how old they are and they talk about being fat.
So you know that being fat is not inherently desirable to men.
You would feel more offended if your guy cheated on you with a fat woman because you'd be like, really?
Like, the bitch is fat.
And I'm admitting to that, but I'm not going to sit here and like be mean to bigger women or like bully them because that's just not in me.
I'm not, I like think all women are beautiful.
I was just sticking up for that.
Are all men beautiful?
Yeah, in their own way.
Yes, everyone.
But are all men desirable?
Are you for somebody?
Yes.
No, but everybody is for somebody.
I believe that.
My question that I asked you was, do you object to a guy not wanting to date a woman because she's overweight?
And you said yes.
You would object to that.
You think it would be unfair to judge a woman based on her weight.
However, you wouldn't just date anybody, would you?
No.
I'm sure, do you have criteria and standards and preferences?
Are some of those physical preferences?
That's what he thinks, though.
No, but you would object.
You said you'd object to it.
You think it'd be unfair.
Yeah.
But that's his own opinion.
That's what he wanted.
I'm 5'7.
Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
No, but I have.
Well, yes.
So that's unfair that you, and first, and I would also point out height is totally out of a guy's control.
You can't control your height as a guy.
As a woman or a man, you can control your weight.
So I would actually argue it's much more unfair to judge a man by his height than to judge a woman by her weight.
However, it's totally cool.
Women will actually insult short men.
They'll use it as an attack.
They'll make TikTok videos saying you must be this tall to date me, blah, blah, blah.
But if a man were to say, I wouldn't date an overweight woman.
There are men, though, that prefer that, though.
Yes, there are.
I would say most don't, though.
And I would say the men that prefer overweight women, they do it out of necessity because, frankly, they aren't capable of securing a partner who is more trim.
Are you calling them insecure?
No, I'm not calling them insecure, but like the reality is a lot of men date necessitously.
Is that even a word?
Necessitously?
I don't know if that's a fucking word.
You might have made that one up.
i might have made that one up they date out of like most men have very few options so So I think the saying goes, I haven't used this one in a while.
Women date who they want.
Men sleep.
Women sleep.
They sleep with who they want.
Women sleep with who they want.
Men sleep with who they can.
Yes.
So if that's your only options, look, there's some men with fetishes.
That's fine.
Those are outliers.
The majority of men probably prefer women with a healthy BMI and who are not overweight and obese.
Let me ask.
Do you have a height minimum when it comes to who you date?
Not a minimum, but I would prefer somebody that's at least my height, 5'7 and above.
Which I don't think is that difficult.
How tall was your last boyfriend?
We were the same height, 5'7.
She's not a 100.
Maybe he would have been 5'8.
Right.
So the reality is most women would probably prefer to date a guy who's taller than them.
Nobody bats an eye at that.
But when a guy says, I don't want to date a woman who's overweight, oh my God, fat shaming.
Insecure, blah, blah, blah.
I didn't say he was insecure.
Well, okay, you said you object to you said you object to a man not wanting to date a woman who's overweight.
Go ahead.
And I think it goes both ways too, because when you are looking at a potential partner that is overweight, you got to think about when I have kids, A, it might be harder for them to have kids.
B, they could have develop heart issues like heart's disease, not to mention they have a shorter overall lifespan.
So knowing that you're going to be getting into a relationship that's, and that person might and probably is most likely going to die before you, and you're going to be alone with the kids, why would you enter into a relationship knowing that those might be the terms and costs because of weight?
Okay, if that's the argument then, then the guy needs to be literally in the gym every day.
He needs to be on top of his health also.
Well, then to be able to say that.
And then I would be like, okay, that's valid because you take care of your health and you make that a priority.
Then I'll respect that.
But like just being like a big, heavy-set man and being like, oh, I'm not going to date somebody that's big.
Like, what?
Like, you have a lot of nerve.
I mean, you make a fair point.
However, I would argue that a lot of women desire traits in men that they themselves do not possess.
For example, a lot of women want a guy who's funny.
Are they funny themselves?
A lot of women want a guy who's tall.
Are they funny themselves?
A lot of women want a guy who's charismatic.
Oh, did I miss that?
Yeah, you said funny.
Oh, sorry, okay.
A lot of girls want a guy who's super confident and has charisma, yet they're not charismatic or confident themselves.
A lot of women want a guy who's rich.
They're not rich themselves.
So both men and women desire traits in a partner that they themselves do not necessarily possess.
Now, I think, I do think when it comes to your, like, if you're a fat dude, women are just, women can also choose to not date an overweight dude.
That's totally fine.
That's totally valid.
So, yeah.
Oh, I thought there was going to be a response.
Okay.
Oh, can I say something?
Oh, yeah, of course.
I just, you know, I often hear women say things like it's not fair.
And I always say dating is not fair.
Attraction is not fair.
Men and women are sexually dimorphic.
We have different mating strategies.
We've evolved different sexual selection strategies.
And it's for the betterment of us pushing along our lineage.
That's it.
You know, it's just about what is most sustainable, what is most attractive to us that will allow us to have kids and their kids to have kids and their kids' kids to have kids.
That's simply what it is.
You know, dating is competition.
And competition, everybody can't win.
And you said you think there's somebody for everybody.
I mean, clearly that's not true.
That's not the reality of how the world works.
Because for one, there's more.
There's how many people on this planet.
How can there be when there's A, more women than men?
That's number one.
Every man is not desirable.
Not even to, there's a woman who's going to find you attractive somewhere.
No, a lot of these guys that you see in the chat and stuff like that.
They're all gigga chats.
All the chat, the chat's gigga chats.
They're all fucking 10 out of 10.
But the point is, the point is, everybody's not going to find somebody for them.
That is like fairy tale utopian talk.
And if that was the case, the divorce rates wouldn't be as high as they are.
Rejection wouldn't be as common as it is.
Men on Tinder who can't get any type of swipes, matches, that wouldn't happen.
So dating is just not fair.
It's not fair.
It's never going to be fair.
And the fact that we select each other on physical qualities, physical traits, physical characteristics, it serves a purpose.
It serves an evolutionary purpose.
And women have to suck that up.
Had to be okay with it because it's reality.
I would actually argue women are far pickier when it comes to looks than men are.
Y'all are way more picky and selective when it comes to looks than men.
Well, I don't want an ugly baby.
No.
I think it all.
It kind of just makes sense.
No, but like attraction.
For example, like if you look at, I would argue that women are far more superficial too when it comes to looks because a lot of the things that you guys care about when it comes to looks are totally out of men's control.
For example, height, 100% out of men's control.
And a lot of women here be sitting here wanting a guy who's six feet plus.
Okay, that's 15% of men.
Cool.
You don't want a guy who's balding, most of you, especially if you're young.
That's totally out of men's control if they start balding early.
And then penis size, totally out of men's control.
But y'all want a guy with a big dick.
Not all of you, but the guy's lacking in the bulge.
A lot of women got a problem with that.
Not all women, but so y'all will judge men very harshly on things that are totally out of men's control.
But the one thing that we judge women harshly on, weight, is 100% in your control.
And also women judge men on that too.
Because there's plenty of fit women that would not be prepared to date a guy who's obese.
So let's not kid that this is a one-directional thing.
Whereas when it comes to balding, height, and penis size, that's absolutely, men don't really discriminate.
Like most men would don't really care about a woman's height.
So I would argue that women care far more about physical looks than men do.
Do you think, and this is just like a random question, do you think that it's being more like judgmental saying like, you know, like, I don't want to date somebody that's overweight, or do you think it's more judgmental to be like, oh, I don't want to date somebody that's a virgin?
Because that's not a virgin either.
That's not a virgin.
Yeah.
What's not fair?
That like people think that like, or you guys were saying that like a high-value woman is a virgin.
She doesn't need to be a virgin, but that would add to her a potential woman being.
It's a bonus.
You need not be.
Also, I don't like the term like high-value male, high-value woman.
It's just such this like nebulous, vague term.
And a lot of people like to claim, I'm a high-value male, and it comes off as like kind of braggy.
And I'm an alpha male.
That shit's braggy.
I don't like that.
I say high-quality.
I say quality.
I say quality.
So you're saying that it's unfair to want a woman who's a virgin?
No, I was just asking if you thought.
Oh, which one?
Yeah, because you thought that I was being like, like by me saying that it, oh, that's unfair to call somebody or like to not want to date somebody because they're overweight.
But I feel like, aren't you also being judgy by saying like, oh, I don't want to date somebody that's not a virgin?
Well, I didn't.
Okay, that's not my personal view.
It's not, I don't think that's a very important thing.
I don't want to exclusively.
That wasn't my personal view either of wanting to date somebody that was obese.
I was just saying like...
No, I know.
I just didn't think that those things are fair.
I'm not totally understanding what you're saying.
First off, I don't exclusively date women who are virgins, though I'm certainly not opposed to dating a woman who's a virgin.
Would it be my preference?
Yes, am I going to get it?
I suppose that depends on the woman.
What I would argue when it comes to body count or promiscuity is the lower bodies, the better.
In the same way that like the guy's bank account, the more zeros after in his bank account, the better.
Be nice to date a millionaire.
Might be nicer to date a billionaire.
Whether you can get it or not, that's another thing.
But I mean, I've dated women who are virgins.
So, yeah.
But it's not like I have to have like a, I'll only date virgin women indispensable characteristic.
It doesn't have to be that.
But so are you saying that it's judgy to date to want to or prefer a woman who is a virgin?
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, like, does that, is that like a one character makes her more meritable or like makes her more high value?
It would make her more attractive.
And yes, I think it would make her a in the dating marketplace, I would say it makes her a higher value.
So what's considered a high value, like she has to be a virgin?
No, she doesn't have to be a virgin.
In the same way that a woman who's like a 10 out of 10 that a woman who's like a 10 out of 10 absolute beauty, like would you, everyone would prefer to get the most optimal partner they can.
Whether you can get it or not, that's a different question.
But we all want the most optimal, we want to make the most optimal choices we can when it comes to who we date, who we have relationships with, who we sleep with, who we marry, who we have kids with.
Yeah, we have a preference for optimality.
Yeah.
Like some women might say, well, for example, for you, you would date a guy who's 5'7, but it might be a bit more optimum for him to be 5'8.
And it might be more optimum for him to be 5'9, 5'10, 5'11, 6' 6'1, 6'2 ⁇ , 6'3, etc.
What would essentially maximize your attraction to that partner?
Just on a physical level.
Because, of course, you can develop feelings for who he is as a person, despite the fact that he's 5'7, and that can compensate for what he lacks in height.
You know, he can be more attractive, and you can look at a 6'2 guy, his boyfriend, 5'7.
You'd be like, yeah, a 6'2 guy.
He don't arouse me because I like everything about my 5'7 boyfriend.
But just on a physical scale, we want to optimize our attraction to somebody.
And typically, those are physical characteristics.
So it's like, I would prefer a guy who's 6'1.
I would prefer a guy who makes six figures.
I would prefer a guy who has a six-pack.
If I don't get him, yeah, I'm malleable.
I can maybe shift a little bit.
But if it were up to me, if I could create the perfect guy, what would your perfect guy look like?
And for men, if he could create the perfect woman, she'd probably be a virgin.
That would a woman who's a vert.
If a guy had an option, let's say everything else is equal, but she's got a body count of 10 versus she's got a body count of zero, I think any sane man would prefer the virgin in that situation.
You guys disagree on that?
I mean, why, why would it, like, even for eat, and I'm not particularly inclined to sleep with a girl just once or have a one-night stand with her, but even for a one-night stand, one-time casual encounter, I would always prefer to pick the girl who's a virgin over the girl who's slept with 50 dudes.
Even when ostensibly the girl who slept with 50 men could give me a supposedly better sexual experience.
As somebody who knows how to lead in the bedroom, like I'll take the virgin every single time.
Then why are men, some men, falling in love with stroopers and like promiscuous women?
Probably I would call that love.
Well, like they build relationships with those women.
Because we have normalized this sort of degeneracy and men don't realize, one, that these types of women typically are not, do not make for a good long-term partner.
Their interest in them may be purely short-term or purely sexual.
A lot of men, you will probably heard it from men themselves.
Like, yeah, we'll sleep with that girl, but we'll never wipe her up.
So, but me personally, I wouldn't even want to have casual sex with a girl that I couldn't potentially.
Yeah, like, oh, she's slutty, so I'm just going to sleep with her.
No, I don't even want anything to do with a woman who's slutty or who has a high body count, even if she's otherwise down to engage in easy sex.
That doesn't interest me.
Like, if I sleep with a girl, I want there to be a continuity.
So there's absolutely like there, I don't want to get with a girl who's slutty or whatever.
Okay.
I have a question that correlates to that.
Yeah.
Because you just reminded me of Sadia Ken.
I don't know if you guys know her.
She's a psychologist that does.
She used to follow me.
We're going to get her on the show.
Yeah, she used to follow her.
We're going to get her on the show.
We had a little fallen out.
I really like value her and like all her points that she has to say.
And it reminded me of this one podcast where she's like, men claim they want a high-value woman and like a good woman, but all that they're really doing is spending time with promiscuous women, like following Instagram models, like favoring that.
So, how do you guys as males explain that?
Like, men wanting a good woman, like she's saying, but then ending up with promiscuous ones or following Instagram models, engaging in promiscuous activity or something?
That's a good question, Jude.
Yeah, I'll go after her.
I'll go ahead.
The reason why is because we're still very visual creatures.
We're still emotional beings.
We say all of these things on podcasts.
When we're actually out there in the real world, when we're scrolling social media, when we see these women, that natural innate reaction is, oh, she's attractive.
These men aren't thinking about what her wife qualities are like, what her motherly qualities are like.
And then a lot of these guys who sleep with these women, they roll in the same circles.
They engage in a lot of degenerate behavior themselves.
These are not the cream of the crop men in terms of integrity and values and things like that.
So they're just as compromised as the women that they're getting with, these women that they're sleeping with.
And that's essentially what it boils down to.
See, a lot of these guys, they talk about these things as if they're pure themselves and they're simply not.
It's that it's the visceral response to seeing a woman that you find attractive physically, whether on social media or in the strip club or whatever the case may be, whether she got shit done to her ass or titties, whatever.
It's that it's the attraction.
And then it's the fact that these men aren't the cream of the crop, high-value men that they actually claim to be in terms of their character.
Yeah.
And let me just, I just want to add on to that.
Q absolutely hit the nail on the head.
A lot of these dudes are absolutely degenerate.
And granted, men are very visual creatures.
And I think some of the issues that we're seeing in society, certainly, I mean, we have agency and we have autonomy.
So we have some blame on the individual level.
But like, you know, these social media platforms are very, I mean, there's algorithms and, you know, there's something to be said of, you know, we have not evolved to be able to handle this sort of information and stimulation overload.
And I mean, try reading a book after you've just scrolled on TikTok for two hours.
I mean, we're rewiring our brains to get these dopamine hits.
And I agree with you what you said earlier.
Porn is not good for men.
And me personally, and I would recommend this to other men.
Like, I don't follow, I have my personal Instagram.
I'm not really big on social media.
If I wasn't doing what I was doing, like this YouTube shit, I probably wouldn't even have Instagram, Twitter, any of this shit.
I'm just doing it for my business.
But I don't follow any chicks.
I'm not like liking chicks' photos.
I think it's a big fucking L as a dude to be liking random chicks photos, like Instagram models, whatever.
If like, what?
To me, that's just weird.
So I follow one account on my personal Instagram.
That's my business account.
That's it.
I'm not checking out chicks' photos.
Like, I'm not looking at photos.
If I'm in a relationship, granted, if I'm single, sometimes, listen, you need a release if it's whatever.
But in a relationship, I don't watch porn ever.
Like, I'm going to get my sexual satisfaction just from my girl.
Don't watch porn.
Plus, it fucks you up too if you're watching porn, especially in a relationship.
And yeah, so I think men should definitely try to pull back from porn.
And certainly, bro, it's fucking simp shit to be liking girls' photos.
They're already, like, come on, bro.
You're already gassing them up enough.
Simps have destroyed dating.
You're gassing up these chicks.
So, yeah, I don't think dudes should be liking and following all these girls.
So, yeah.
I agree unless they actually have like a real life chance of being with that girl.
This is the point.
But they don't.
And it makes them roll the tongue.
They don't is the thing.
So, yeah.
Did you have anything else, Q?
No, no, you know, you good.
Okay.
You said everything.
We have a chat here, and I'm going to finally get into some of my questions for the panel.
Oh, this one from High Value Man.
High value and you wanted us to rate everyone.
So, going around the table, would you rate your looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you?
Go ahead.
Ten.
Five.
Five and a half.
Eight and a half.
Ten.
Ten.
Six point five.
I'm going to go with a six today.
Okay, I used to say I was a six, but I've gained a little bit of weight.
So I'm a five.
I'm a five.
So wait.
Ten, ten, ten.
Don't take this the wrong way.
There's no tens at this table.
You guys are not tens.
I think.
And who are you to say that?
Oh, I said I'm a five.
I don't think I'm like super attractive or anything.
Like I'm a little bit chubby right now.
I need to lose some weight.
Pale as fuck.
Getting old.
What makes her not?
I just want to know what makes her not a 10.
Like, I just want to know what is a 10.
Like, what is considered a 10?
It's personal preference.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
No, but what is makes a 10?
What makes her not a 10?
Objectively, it doesn't exist, if you ask me.
I don't think there's such like there's nines and shit.
But you also asked us our opinion.
So if you can't answer that, what makes her not?
It's hard for.
You want me to do an analysis of her like facial features and jaw structure?
Like I'm not going to actually articulate the ways in which she is or isn't a 10.
So what makes a 10 then?
If you don't, you don't have to do it on her, just in general, what makes a 10?
I'm not saying she's not, I'm not saying you guys are not attractive.
No, like you're here in your eyes.
I'm not saying you guys are not attractive women, but you're not saying you're 10s puts you on par with the most beautiful.
Hold on, let me finish.
Saying you're a 10 puts you, you're saying that that puts you on par with the most beautiful women in the world.
Like, where's the modeling contracts?
Maybe you have them.
Look, granted, you're an attractive woman.
You got pretty eyes.
Cool, good for you.
But there's no tens at this table.
But that's your opinion.
It's not my.
Okay, here, maybe I should ask a different thing.
It's an opinion.
It's not.
No, but there's an objective component to beauty.
He's right.
For example, if you were a 10, you would not need to wear makeup.
If you were actually a 10, granted, and again, you've been invited onto a public platform.
So I'm not saying, oh, like, you shouldn't be wearing makeup right now, but like, if you were a 10, would you need to wear makeup?
Most of the tens do.
Models.
Yeah.
Most of them do.
They actually are required to for shoots.
I mean, I could articulate it in other ways, but I don't really feel the need to actually articulate the reasons why you're not tens.
I feel like that might be offensive.
So are you saying to be a 10, you have to be a model?
Because that's what you said.
We're talking about your looks, your physical beauty.
Yeah.
So by you saying.
But you asked us what we thought about ourselves.
So how is that?
No, but like, there's.
Your self-perception does not determine the reality or how other people see you in the world.
Basically.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Do you think all women are tens?
No.
Do you think all?
Okay.
Well, I'm also not attracted to women, so like.
Okay.
Let me ask you a question.
Can you think in your mind right now of a guy who you think is unattractive?
Yeah.
Okay.
Can you think of a guy who you've ever encountered who thinks he's hot shit but isn't?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Now, what if that guy who you think is a five or a six in looks said he was a ten?
Well, then that's his opinion.
Like, but is he wrong?
I might not agree.
But is he wrong?
Some other girl might think he's a ten.
Yeah.
I mean, people have some bad taste.
Like how different countries have like their different preferences for like beauties too.
Oh, yeah.
Like a preference for beauty depends on different part Walmart donated $200.
Every person has a universal attractiveness score if everyone on the planet rated everyone.
Yes, there is personal preference.
A universal seven can be a nine to someone, but they are still a seven on the market.
I mean, a better question.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
I was just going to say that like from like a scientific standpoint, there's like, like you said, like orders to everything.
So for instance, like acne, sunscars, sun marks, moles, that can all be like factored in.
And like you said, there is no really like standard.
But let's be so for real.
If any of us were a 10, we'd be on Miss Universe or like Miss America, whatever that pageant show is where they like do like the most attractive like female beauty pageant thing on match call.
Yeah, like so you know there are ubiquitous markers of attraction.
It's been studied across 37 countries, six continents.
When you, if I take any of you and show you to different cultures of guys, there will be like an average of what you will get a rating for.
And that's more what we mean.
When they ask these questions, they're basically trying to highlight how delusional you think you are.
So that's no, essentially, that's why they ask the question.
They want to know how delusional do you believe that you are.
Well, if you don't fuck with yourself, then who would?
Yeah.
It's like, or like, why do you expect people, you know, but wouldn't you think about it?
Like, what's wrong with like finding yourself attractive?
Nothing, but wouldn't you think if you're even if you don't think you're that attractive, confidence is truly knowing that and being okay with that?
As opposed to saying I'm a 10.
Like, objectively, I'm more attractive than when I rate myself because women rate me higher.
But I really think I'm like a 6.5.
Women rate me higher than that.
Grid 1 Motorsports donated $200.
If any of you were attending, you would not be single and having men run away from you or use you for watch sales.
Your sexual marketplace value would be very high.
Please, less delusion, more reality.
Respectfully, I'd love to see what you look like.
True.
And your height, in your penis size, everything.
Give us your tax returns.
Give us your bank statements.
First off, respectfully, thank you.
You do realize that he's not claiming that he's some like super physically attractive guy.
Like you can still have an assessment over someone's level of the falsity of their own self-assessment when it comes to their physical attractiveness without you yourself being attractive.
Like it's not like, oh, you must be Brad Pitt in his youth to be able to be able to determine if a woman is attractive or isn't attractive.
Yeah, but it's about his negativity because like that's okay.
Then, all right, yeah, ad hom.
That's fine.
But it's not about.
Okay, so you rate yourself a 10.
So what do you think someone else would rate you?
Again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Like, I think.
But that's the question.
That is the question.
I don't know.
It depends.
I mean, I think you know where you fall.
Some people might.
Some people might rate me like a seven.
Some people might rate me an eight.
Some people might rate me nine, ten.
Maybe someone might rate me for.
Okay, but do you wake up every day, look in the mirror, and is like, damn, I'm a 10.
Are you?
I honestly do.
Are you just saying, like, I'm a 10?
I honestly do, and I'm going to tell you why.
Yeah.
It's because I think for you to attract the opportunities you want in your life and for you to attract it, attract optimal respect and love and positive experiences, you have to respect and love yourself.
Yeah, that's where it starts.
And I think.
That's just delusion, though.
You can absolutely respect and love yourself, but know you're not a 10.
That's good.
No.
This is like the body positivity movement.
This is why it's terrible.
It's making people delusional.
It's the yes queen, and it's just like it doesn't work.
It doesn't make sense.
You have to know your flaws.
You have to know what you need to work on.
It's delusional.
Are you talking about character?
Talking about your appearance, your little parents.
I mean, everything.
Well, tell me what's wrong with me then.
Because I like the way I look.
Well, I didn't say there's anything wrong with you.
I'm just saying that you have to be honest with yourself and you need to know what you need to work on.
And by you saying you're perfect, you're delusional.
I'm not saying I'm perfect.
You did.
You said you're a 10.
Well, being a 10.
I find myself a 10.
I like the way I look.
Okay, well, you need to be real with yourself.
Saying a 10 is perfect.
There's nothing wrong with not being a 10.
Like, you're not.
Then say what's wrong with her because you're saying she needs to be real with herself.
Yeah.
Explain what's wrong with 10.
I'll say what's wrong with you.
I mean, I might not be a 10 to you, and that's totally fine.
Well, I want to hear what she has to say about her.
It's not even about what's wrong with you personally and your appearance.
It's that you're delusional.
You need to understand.
She just called me delusional.
I can give you one answer.
You just said being delusional is good, though.
I can give you one answer.
You're short.
That's a reason why you're not a 10.
I mean, I like my height.
As somebody who likes short women, I object to that statement.
That actually gets to be a very good idea.
To one person, you can be seven, or to another person, you can be a ten.
Go ahead.
Sorry, but when it comes to height, so in order to even be like a model, supermodel, any of that, there is a minimum height requirement.
Exactly.
No, but okay, first off, a lot of these models are like waif thin and like antirexist.
But okay, we're using why are we comparing the models?
Because you said you were a 10.
And models are typically tens.
I mean, I think it's subjective.
I think that anyone should love themselves for the parts that they can't control.
I don't think obese, like we were saying, I don't think obesity and this whole American culture supporting it is healthy because those are things you can't control.
But I think that people should love the parts of themselves that they can't control.
Because yesterday, I was walking on the street and some girl just decided to be like, girl, you have no ass.
And like, me, I know I have a fucking ass.
Like, I work out all the time.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Should we get a little preview?
Like, just so you can see it.
Listen, I'm walking back to my fucking house and she's just, it's not fucked up.
And you know why?
Because she wakes up in the fucking morning.
She hates herself and she goes out there and hates on other people.
The way people treat other people and speak to other people speaks about how they feel about themselves.
Did she have an ass?
Did she have a nice ass?
Wait, can we?
She was in the car.
What?
My point is.
She wakes up in the fucking.
Do you want to show us?
Show what?
My ass.
I guess.
No, because I know I have an ass.
Okay, all right.
She woke up and chose violence.
Yeah, anyways, she woke up and she chose violence.
Me, I was about to choose fucking violence.
I was so close to my car.
I was about to run into my house, grab my fucking keys, chase her down, and like speak my shit.
Or maybe even like, I don't know.
I should have.
I didn't because I chose PC.
Was she drunk?
I don't know.
Maybe.
That seems like something.
She was driving her car.
Okay, that's not, I mean, that's wrong.
My point is for like the part respectfully, she was what you would consider probably mid obese, but I would never the girl in white has the face of a catcher's mitt.
I can already envision what she's going to look like when she's 40.
You're a 4.5 at best, but I'm going to knock you down to a 3 due to genital herpia.
Bro, what?
Fuck.
No, because I walk in and I thought.
I mean, other ways.
Not everyone has good tastes.
And you're really pretty, by the way.
I just want to say that.
You too.
I do think you're pretty.
Okay, look, it's just to consider yourself a 10.
It's delusional.
It's delusional.
You know what it is?
When you think you're a 10.
Then why did you ask our opinions of ourselves?
He didn't.
It was.
When you think you're a 10, you walk like a 10.
And you believe you're a 10.
And you see yourself in the mirror, you say, I'm a 10.
And you start to be socialized as a 10.
Like, you start walking into places and rooms, and like you project that energy, and people react to that energy and treat you accordingly.
Hell, yes.
I think that whole thing.
I won't wait until you make it is just.
No, I think that's true.
I think thoughts are very powerful in how we treat ourselves.
Yeah, you should have.
And also, you take care of yourself like a 10.
You should obviously have positive feelings about yourself.
You're not going to eat that junkie.
You can still go to the channel.
You can still be operating in reality and be like, yeah, I'm not among the most beautiful people in the world, but I still love myself and I'm still a good person.
You need not be delusional to have positive feelings towards yourself.
Like, I'm not going to sit here and say, like, I am the most intellectual person.
I'm a 10 out of 10 in intellect.
No, I'm not.
I'm not a 10 out of 10 in my ability to articulate points.
Sometimes I stutter.
English is my second language.
Like, I see my own faults.
I try to work on them, but I'm not going to be like, yeah, I'm a 10 out of 10 podcast host.
No.
I fuck this shit up half the time.
It's cool.
It's okay.
I still do the fucking show.
Like, it's all right.
I try to work on it, but obviously we're talking about something very different here.
We're talking about looks.
Like, it's just like the confident thing would be to say, I'm a five and I accept that.
I'm a six, I'm a seven.
And I accept that.
I'm cool with that.
I don't have a perfect XYZ.
You know, whatever it might be.
So, yeah.
Good talk.
Anything else?
You guys want anything else on that?
I don't know.
I think we're mixing up.
I mean, it's fine to be confident, but you have to be able to go home at the end of the day and understand there's things you need to work on.
Like, it's totally fine.
You can portray confidence out in public, but you don't go around and say you're a 10 and then believe it.
Let me read the definition of delusional.
Characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.
Okay.
Or having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions based on or having faulty judgment mistaken.
So, yeah.
Don't care.
I mean, that's fine, but like, no, because like I'm not saying you guys are not attractive women.
Okay, you can say I'm delusional, whatever, but it has bring me nothing but positive experiences.
Literally, I would actually argue you're stuck with yourself forever.
Because I'm not saying you guys get like down on yourselves and just like sob in the mirror all day because of your physical appearance.
I'm not saying that.
Obviously, you live your life in a positive way and move through the world in a positive way.
But like a lot of people, when it comes to dating, right, I would argue that men value modesty in women far more than the reverse.
Like, I think men maybe have a little bit more room because women value confidence.
Men don't really value confidence in women.
But modesty is a very attractive trait in women.
And if you're not modest and you think you're hot, like we don't want girls with big egos.
And I think girls don't want men with big egos either.
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I think what I was trying to say was, is that I lost my train of thought.
What I was trying to say was, holy shit, I actually totally lost my train of thought.
Did anybody have a response to what I was saying?
I forgot.
No.
Oh, men valuing modesty.
Yeah, like it's not attractive to date a girl with a big fucking ego.
Like we want a girl who's modest.
And like, I'm fucking hot shit.
Can't tell me nothing.
I mean, did you want us to say that we're twos with that?
No.
No, but like, okay, saying that.
I think that's one you to be honest.
There's a difference between confidence and cockiness, though, and you just asked us what we think about ourselves.
We're not saying that that's what the world thinks of us.
Like, objectively, we're saying what we think of us because we were asked to rate ourselves one to ten.
Right, but it's it's like a modesty check, this question.
I think men use that to humble women.
And there's, I feel like there's men out there, they feel the need to humble women because they cannot have, they cannot access to women.
You know, men who don't have experiences with women and have to subscribe to OnlyFans or have to go to my comments and remind me of how bad I'm going to end up in and, you know, I'm going to end up single with cats, whatever.
It's because mainly they don't have access to women.
Like they, in the day-to-day, they don't get dates or like they don't get, you know, like they're not desirable in the daily market.
And I don't give a fuck.
If you're trying to humble me, I'm just going to do me.
And if that bothers you, then just take a look at that.
Do you think people shouldn't be humble?
No, why?
No, no, because like seriously, I think the reason men are trying so hard to humble women is because they cannot have access to them.
Wait, you're, Nick, please pay attention, because I'm not looking at the screen.
You're like hiding behind your microphone.
Can you please scoot it closer to you?
No, no, scoot the microphone close to you.
And you're like, this is what you're doing.
Do you see this?
You're like...
Oh.
You're hot.
Okay, go ahead.
Am I good?
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, there's no need to humble women.
Just level up as a man.
Like, if you're not desirable in the market, you know, and you don't get dates, it's not a woman's issue.
It's your body.
Well, I think it's a two-pronged issue.
So men obviously need to level up in various ways.
But like, as a woman, and actually we have some of your videos that we're going to react to.
If you're delusional and you think you deserve the fucking world just by virtue of being a woman and you deserve a guy who's six feet makes this much money.
I don't think I deserve it.
But I feel attracted.
Okay, well.
I don't think I deserve it just because I am a woman, but I know what I'm bringing to the table and I'm expecting the same.
Okay, well.
Well, you said you know what you're bringing to the table.
Yeah.
Since you know what it is, what are you bringing to the table?
Well, I'm a good woman.
Okay.
I'm religious, Christian.
I don't go out, actually.
Like clubs and stuff.
I've had, I have gone out, you know, when I was younger, like 18, 19.
I'm 24 now.
I'm over it.
I'm a humbuddy.
Yeah.
I had literally like two serious relationships.
I've dated, but I've saved myself because I come from a household where, you know, my father always, you know, told me not to engage with men, you know, sexually and all that stuff.
Oh, sorry, you're a virgin?
No, I'm not a virgin.
Oh, not at all.
Okay.
But, you know, I've went, you know, I've been, how do you say celibacy?
Celibate, celibate.
I've been celibate for three years, like from when I was 19 to 23.
To the right?
Like this?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wait, you were in a, you said your relationship just ended two months ago, but you're in a two-year relationship.
Yeah.
You're in a two-year relationship?
Yes, I was 22, about to be 23, something like that.
And you've been celibate?
No, Well, maybe I'm mixing this up, but I went celibate for three years, and I took that decision.
I didn't want to, you know, have no intimacy with anybody.
I was like, to know what I wanted out of a relationship.
And I think, especially younger women, don't be so quick to jump into engaging in sexual activity.
Why?
Because you're not ready yet.
Like that.
You need to have your moment, I feel.
You have to have your moment, right?
You have to get to know yourself and what you want in relationships with men.
And don't make so many sacrifices.
And I think that's why men, especially older men, tend to go to, you know, for younger women is because they don't have, like, they don't know how to say no.
You know, they don't have the standards and their boundaries set up yet.
So, yeah, especially younger women, just, you know, like, save yourself.
And I'm all about saving myself.
And, you know, older men are attracted to younger women because younger women are more physically attractive.
No.
It's because they're more pleasant, they're more physically attractive.
They have a lower body count.
They have less past relationship trauma and baggage.
They're more fertile.
They're more capable of.
They have higher fecundity.
Okay.
Then you should be okay with the fact that women want provider men and want successful men.
They do.
I totally accept that.
Okay.
That's totally fine.
I'm just a little curious, though.
said you've been celibate for three years but you were just in a two-year relationship so were you not I was younger Like, I started like 18, 19.
I don't really remember, but I took the decision of like being celibate.
So you were not having intimacy.
So you're the two-year relationship.
I was active, yeah.
with my partner bro this is why you no i think you're saying from age 19 to 22 you were celibate for those three years Yeah.
Oh, I thought you said you were celibate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, she's saying from 19 to 22, she was celibate for three years, and then she got into the middle.
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Not with your attitude.
Oh, okay.
All right, here.
Look, here, I'll just try to articulate why I think it's important.
Look, you guys want to keep thinking you're 10s?
That's totally fine.
I just think, and a lot of women come on the show, and look, you guys are attractive girls, but a lot of women come on the show who are clearly not tens in physical appearance and think they are tens in physical appearance.
If you're so gassed up by all the guys hitting on you and all the attention you get on dating apps and all your girlfriends, oh my God, you're so fucking slay queen in your Instagram comments, you're going to start being gassed up and thinking you're hot shit when you're not.
I'm sure you all know a dude who thinks he's hot shit and you're like, bro, this guy needs some fucking humble pie.
He's not all that.
So when you think you're really hot, you're going to think you deserve a certain caliber of guy.
And here's where women get into trouble.
If you think you're a 10, you're going to demand a man who's a 10, whether that manifests itself in his looks, his status, his money, whatever it is, his charisma, his personality.
The reality is, most women are average.
Most men are average.
Average people ought to pair up with average people.
The reality is, though, is, and what I see in the dating marketplace, a lot of women who are average don't want average men.
You're all chasing after the top caliber of dudes.
These dudes might happily fuck you and sleep with you and string you along, keep you in a friends with benefits situation.
You're not going to get commitment from a lot of these dudes.
So what ends up, let me just finish.
So what ends up happening is that if you don't have an accurate self-assessment of where you land in the dating marketplace, you're going to be chasing after a caliber of guy that will never give you commitment, but you're going to get all caught up because that guy's going to string you along and fuck you and never give you commitment.
That's why all these girls end up in situationships, friends with benefits, six months, no commitment.
And that's because those guys are happy to sleep with you because men and women value different things.
Men will happily sleep with you, string you along.
They will never give you commitment.
They will never give you a ring.
So maybe you're fine with that.
A lot of women would prefer the divided attention of a really high status dude than the commitment and full of attention of a guy who's you view as below you, but who's actually on your level?
Who's your looks equivalent?
Who's your status equivalent?
So if you're chasing, if all these women are, you mentioned hypergamy at the beginning of the show.
If all these women are chasing after the top 10% of men, these top 10% of men are not going to commit.
They're not going to settle for you.
The thing is, right?
Women can sleep with average women.
We get women on the show who are 19, 20 college girls, thousand followers on Instagram.
They're fucking NFL players.
They're fucking NBA players.
Men who are at the top echelons of the dating market, who are the most attractive, who are wealthy, who have status, etc.
How are you going to date?
How are you going to be 19 years old and fuck with an NFL player who's making millions of dollars a year, who's in incredible shape, and then go back to your, to date a 19-year-old college boy who's on your level, who will give you commitment?
It's going to be really hard.
The lifestyle differential there is going to be very difficult.
The other thing is, so typically for a girl to sleep with a guy, that guy needs to be at least attractive enough for that girl to be in a relationship with that guy.
For you to sleep with the guy, he has to at least be attractive enough for you to consider being in a relationship.
But it's totally the reverse for men.
Men will gladly sleep with women, and this is just based on their physical attractiveness alone.
We'll sleep with the girl.
But we would, just based on her physical attractiveness, will never be in a relationship with her.
But we welcome sex.
We welcome sex.
So because of that, women can secure sex from men that are more attractive than them, whether that's looks, status, income, wealth, whatever.
You think that that's your level.
You think that that's your league.
But the reality is, no, that guy was never going to get commitment from you.
Your league is the guys who are prepared to commit to you, be in relationships with you, be monogamous with you, and give you a ring.
It's not the dude who's willing to fuck you.
So that's why it's very, very, very important for women to have an accurate self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness.
Otherwise, y'all are going to be fucking dudes that are out, frankly, out of your league.
And then you're going to look at the guy who's actually on your league, who's actually, excuse me, who's actually in your league, who's on your level, who will give you commitment.
You're going to think you're settling for him, and maybe you eventually do.
And then you're resentful of him the entire relationship, even though this guy is on your level.
A lot of dudes, excuse me, a lot of women look at men who are actually on their level and think, no, actually, he's not at the same attractiveness level as me.
And then they curve them.
And then they wonder by the time they're 30, where are all the good men?
You curve them in your 20s when you're fucking NFL players and NBA players and all this shit.
I just want to clarify that I'm not, I don't go ahead and look for millionaires and billionaires.
And I don't teach that to women.
I teach them like to like attract providers.
Okay, that's what I'm looking for.
Because to me, to me, a millionaire, a NFP, whatever player, yeah, he can have money, but if he doesn't support you, he's the equivalent of a broke man.
So unless a man, you know, it's not supporting me and it's not committing to me, committing, you know, to me, I don't, I'm not, you know, I don't care about a man.
But I'm talking about that.
In the sense that I would not take him seriously.
Like, I'm not those type of women that be sleeping with millionaires just because he's a millionaire and then they go home and they're still broke.
Like that to me is stupid.
I'm sorry.
That to me, it's dumb.
It's the equivalent of, you know, dealing with a broke man.
So I'm looking for commitment.
I'm looking for stability and somebody that can support me.
And that doesn't mean that it's not unattainable.
And I think that you're saying, oh, women are only going for the 1%.
No, we're not.
We're going for provider men.
We need that security and the stability.
That's not, that really doesn't matter.
And I hate men like making excuses for lazy men.
Like, I don't.
Right, but I mean, you even mentioned at the beginning of the show, you mentioned hypergamy and that women should be hypergamous.
I mean, you are basically advocate.
Well, I mean, you're basically advocating hypergamy is the tendency for women to date men who are of a higher, and that could be attractiveness level or a socioeconomic level.
So not necessarily millionaires.
But okay, sure.
But the whole thing I'm trying to get at, and it doesn't even, it could even be like you're a college girl and you're just like fucking the super hot college dudes.
And then like the guys who are actually prepared to, you're going to friend zone the guys.
You girls want to know where the guys who are prepared to be loyal and who will commit to you.
That's the biggest complaint of women.
All these men, they're cheaters.
They don't commit.
That's because y'all are chasing after this like small percentage of hyper attractive, super attractive dudes.
You know where the loyal guys are where he'll give you commitment, who will be good boyfriends?
They're probably in your friend zone because you curve the guys that are actually on your level because y'all are chasing after the really hot fuckboys and shit.
I don't care.
And this is evidenced by if you look at dating apps, if you look at, okay, sure.
If you look at dating apps, women are only swiping on like the top 10% of dudes.
They're getting all the women, whereas the rest of the guys are getting nothing or the scraps.
But women are not a problem.
I mean, I was just going to say, that's why I think it's very important that women have a realistic self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness.
Because if you think you're a 10, you're going to be chasing that dude who you think is a 10.
I don't chase.
Okay, however you want to put it, you're going to be going after these guys who are like really attractive that might be more attractive than you, that want to fuck you, but will never give you commitment.
I don't value attractiveness in a man.
That's not in my top priority when choosing a partner.
That's fine.
And with me, I agree with everything Brian is saying.
And for me, it runs a little bit more personal than that because I am a certified relationship coach.
So, and I have a huge clientele.
So a lot of the women who come to me, these women come to me wondering why they aren't getting the dating outcomes that they want.
And a lot of times it starts with them not being objective about their mate value, physical appearance, what they bring to the table, what they have to offer, who they are.
And you have to remind them that these are the things that you woke up every day and told yourself in the mirror, daily affirmations.
I'm a 10, I'm this, I'm going to manifest this, I'm going to attract the energy that I put out.
All of that is bullshit.
All of that is bullshit because you live in a world to where someone has to pick you too.
It's just not about what you believe about yourself.
It's about the way the world sees you as well.
And if you have the expectations as a woman, I want to attract this type of guy.
I think I'm on the level of this type of guy.
And the reality is you're not, you're really going to end up heartbroken.
I'm telling you, like, I deal with these women who are heartbroken.
They're disappointed.
They wanted to be wives.
They wanted to be married.
They wanted to have kids, not out of wedlock.
They're single mothers.
All types of women.
They're just disappointed.
They're heartbroken.
And if you would have started being objective and being able to take some constructive criticism and being able to say, well, you know what?
You're right.
It took this long for me to come to the realization that I'm not the shit that I thought I was or I hyped myself up to be thinking that I was doing something body positivity or doing something for myself that was going to manifest what I wanted.
I realized it didn't work like that and now I'm here.
And that's what I have to explain to them once they get there.
So you ladies are young.
You don't understand it.
You don't see it.
But if you continue to hold a certain attitude about yourself that is not aligned with reality, reality is going to show you what the fuck is up.
And when it does, it's going to punch you in the face.
And you're going to be so much more heartbroken and wish that you had just been more realistic and maybe took advantage of some of the opportunities that were presented to you in terms of dating, in terms of relationships with guys who could have been good partners, but because you felt that you were above him when you really weren't, by whatever metric you choose to use, now you're single.
You're stuck.
You're single.
And you can't get what you want because you spent all your years that you should have been invested in those guys who are on your level trying to get something better that you weren't really qualified for.
Let me ask, I want to add last thing on this.
Do you guys want an average man going around the table?
Do you want an average man?
Define an average man.
5'9, 50K a year, salary, average looks, average personality, average guy.
I want her to make either like more than me or like exact the same as me.
Because I'm planning to have babies and I want to create a family and I need stability and I need support to do that.
Honestly, I don't care as long as he has the life skills to bring to the table and we're able to grow together and fully provide for our family together.
Okay.
Considering my last two were below average, I'm going to say yeah.
Yeah.
As long as he's a man of God.
Okay.
Like she said, I would want him to make as much or preferably more than me.
And I also would want him to have an above average personality, to be honest, because I feel as though I have an above average personality as a woman.
And I don't know if you guys might think that's delusional, but I think I do.
And if you want, you can ask me questions.
I try to think very positive.
I never try to bring down other people unless they like bring down me like that girl yesterday.
I just chose like kindness.
I'm very respectful.
I always check up on my friends.
I take care of my grandparents because my mother isn't able to.
So whenever I'm at home, it's like chaos because my grandma's paralyzed and my grandpa's very old.
And I grocery shop for them, call my grandma every day and like tell her everything going on in my life.
And I'm very close to all of my family.
I stay connected with my friends.
I always try to ask them how they are and like open up to.
And I'm very open.
I like to share my experiences because I want people to learn from them.
And every step I'm taking towards my life lately, I try to be one of growth and I try to spread that knowledge to the people in my life too.
So I think that makes an exceptional personality, in my opinion.
Do you have an exceptional personality?
I think above average personality, yeah.
And you can ask me more questions if you want.
Do you think you're charismatic?
I think so, yeah.
Does somebody want to tell her?
Wait, but again, I don't really think that's a personality trait.
Of course, currently it's a personality trait.
Yeah, it would be on the extraversion.
Yeah, it's a personality trait.
On the extraversion, yeah.
I'm definitely more extroverted than I am introverted.
Do you have a job?
Yeah, I do currently.
I think we have a.
Here, what about you?
Do you want an average guy?
I wouldn't mind it, but as she said, I would like someone who makes as much or more as me.
Okay.
So you anticipate being a high earner?
Or you are, well, you're 20, so I mean.
My goal is to earn high.
And if I. How much do you want to earn?
Or do you see yourself earning?
I mean, I would like to be, like, make it.
Yeah, I'd like to be well off.
I'm sure anyone would like to be.
Well, whether you'd like to be or not is different than what actually will happen.
What do you study in university?
Business.
Okay.
So you anticipate making what?
What are you going to, you're a junior or senior?
Junior.
Do you know, have you looked into potential jobs?
Have you researched starting salaries?
What's your starting salary going to be out of high school?
Or sorry, not high school.
Out of college?
What do you mean?
It's amazing to me.
This is why I'm so against university: people are going to spend, get, go into debt, spend five to six figures, rack up a bunch of student loans.
Maybe some of you are privileged and your parents pay for it.
Maybe you have savings.
And you don't even know how much, like, the anticipated salary of the field that you're pursuing in university.
Like to me it would occur, okay, before I spend.
I have an idea because I'm getting my real estate license right now.
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High value is not equals high net worth.
Where all the good men with women who value them?
Why can you not find one?
They see you coming a mile away.
The men you want will not want you and your baggage.
And I'm not even directing this at you, but it's like so many people go to college, get five to six figures in student loan debt, they pursue, you know, whatever the some degrees are absolutely useless, and then they can't find a high-paying job.
Like, I feel like you should know, like, here's why I'm going to college, so that I can go into this field and I have a decent understanding of what the starting salary is and what I can expect to make over the course of 5, 10, 15, 20 years, whatever it may be.
So did you have something?
I was going to say, like, for example, when I worked at Jersey Mike's as a general manager, I made $100,000 that year.
And that was how much I made that year.
So in, like, your like your field that you're going into out of college, how much will you be making on a yearly basis in that first year of working when you get out of college in your like field that you want to go to?
Let's say it's accounting.
Let's say it's like a bank teller.
How much would you make in that year?
Is what I think it should be.
I have multiple plans for myself.
So I more than just like real estate.
I want to do interior design as well.
So I, you know, I'm just kind of just going for it.
I'm saving up.
And I feel like with real estate, which is kind of specific to me because that's what I'm interested in.
So are you working on getting a real estate?
Yeah, I'm doing my 135-hour course right now.
And I think it varies with that specific field because it does depend on like what, like, the houses you sell and like the area you're in.
Yeah, it's commissioners.
There's different factors.
Oh, sorry.
Look, I just see the reality is most people are average.
But what I'm seeing is a lot of people who are average don't want an average person as a partner.
They think, here's what I want, but wouldn't it stand to be, wouldn't it make sense that if you're an average person, don't you deserve to be with an average person romantically?
Or are we just going to gas up women and say, even though you're average, even though you're not remarkable in any way, you deserve the best.
You deserve a top 10% guy.
No, top 10% women deserve top 10% men.
50% women deserve 50% men.
That's how it is.
No, yeah, I agree.
And I think to attract what you want, you have to be on that level.
That's how it works scientifically as well.
So for someone to want attract, for someone to want to attract someone specific, they better be matching that person or actively working towards that.
And you can't expect to receive that if you're not doing what correlates.
We're going to move on.
I have to get a couple chats in.
Madison is the most attractive woman on the panel by far every time.
Go, Madison.
Quick question for Madison.
How has hearing all these panels impacted your views on dating?
Quick answer, Madison, if you want.
It's honestly made me recognize how corrupt the modern dating world is.
And it's made me feel so incredibly lucky that I have Frankie and makes me value my relationship and want to strengthen it even more.
Yo, W. Frankie's in the chat.
Can we get wankies in the chat, please?
All right.
We have – hold on.
We have Bender the Offender.
Ladies, do you believe shame and judgment is a good thing or bad thing?
Explain your answers.
We'll go around the table on this really quick.
Go ahead.
What is that question again?
Sorry.
Do you believe shame and judgment is a good thing or a bad thing?
Explain your answers.
Shame and judgment.
I don't know.
I'll pass.
Go back.
I think it's a good thing.
Because, I mean, you can't know how to grow unless you have criticism, right?
Criticism is going to be your best friend because that's how you're going to know what you want to change specifically about yourself in order for you to grow and to be better.
Yeah.
I'm going to say, to an extent, it's fine.
If you're going a little too hard and you're just consistently judging and making someone feel like shit, then yeah, I agree.
Because I don't think everybody should feel that opinionated.
I feel like right now everyone feels super opinionated.
But I do think, yeah, it's good to have a little bit of criticism so that way you know what to kind of like work on.
But also to like, I don't think listening to everything is good also, because then you're not like really believing in yourself and like what your potential is either.
I think that it can be good or bad.
For example, that girl yesterday hollering out her car saying, I have no ass.
I think that's bad and it just shows where she stands with herself.
To be honest, I think that's when it's a bad example of judgment and criticism.
But I think that it could be good, like telling someone, you know, you should be losing weight, you should be getting in the gym.
I've noticed you've gained weight.
Like, you don't want to go down a bad path and eventually, yeah, get like heart disease or like other problems or like what we're talking about right now.
I think that it's good because it can open up our minds and make us think of different perspectives.
And just this podcast as a whole, we've kind of been debating each other in a way to make each other grow.
So I feel like it kind of depends.
It is beautiful.
It's beautiful.
It honestly is.
And like, I've learned a lot from it so far, and it's not even bothering me right now.
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Thank you, Curtis.
Pill, I have a true example.
In the Marine Corps, the few WMs who were below my league were the shit.
Once they leave, they find out they aren't shit.
Emergency room at VA, four women came in all STDs.
Oh my god.
I mean, yeah, that's actually a good example.
Like a lot of women in the military, because there's so few women, there's a lot of dudes.
The supply and demand, basically.
I mean, she good talk.
Did you have an answer to the previous TTS or period of his?
No, no, good real world observation.
I mean, you, did you have an answer to shame and judgment is a good thing or a bad thing?
I think criticism could be helpful.
Like, to an extent.
Okay.
I think it's good and it builds character.
And we need to bring shame back.
We need to bring shame back.
There you have it, folks.
There you have it.
Okay, let me finally get into my notes that I actually have from you guys.
I'm going to try to get through these as quick as possible.
Nikki, we have a tweet from you.
Shout out to the random man who paid for my food in front of me.
Thank you.
So, what is that of regular occurrence?
Like, do you just thought that was such a nice gesture?
It was like a Chipotle thing, and he paid for the food in front of me.
I thought that was so sweet.
And it was like an act of kindness on the morning.
Oh, hold on.
Yo, ABCH, thank you for the gifted 20 memberships.
Appreciate it, man.
You're a fucking legend.
Appreciate it.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's why he's there with me.
That's why he's the GOAT.
The GOAT.
Okay, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
So it just reminded me that there's still like really nice people that give really nice gestures.
Sounds like a simp, if you ask me.
I felt like, no, that wasn't a simple.
I thought that was like such a like gentleman, like that was so nice.
Like, you didn't have to do that.
Have you had that before?
Like, anybody just like pay for your shit or anything?
Yeah, and I don't, maybe I just didn't document it that day, but that day, like, how often I had just gotten out of the gym.
Like, I just was not feeling like my best.
Like, I had no makeup, like, it was just super plain, and the guy just like paid for it.
Other ladies here have anything like that ever happened to you?
Like, a dude just, like, oh, let me pay for that.
Has that happened?
Yeah.
No, he didn't even say it.
But you've had offers, I guess.
Like, I've had it like once, but it was a girl.
It wasn't.
I've had it once, but it was a girl.
It wasn't like a guy.
What about you?
Yeah.
You've had that.
What about you?
You get.
Yeah.
Tell us briefly what.
Like free drinks, like stuff like that.
Free drinks.
What about like you're getting food?
The guy, any other non-club related paying for food or just like randomly, like you're in line in Chipotle?
Oh, let me get that.
Yeah.
You?
Have you had that?
Yeah.
Have you had that?
Yeah.
I'm not going to be able to do that.
Have you ever had a chick just like you total stranger?
Just like, oh.
I've never had a woman pay for it, but I have had women who work at places give me free food because I'm handsome.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Yeah.
I would give you food if you got up to the register and couldn't pay for it.
I'd be like, I got you.
I appreciate that.
But a couple of my exes did ask me on first dates and they paid for the first date.
Or like free rides.
Alexander doesn't approve of that.
Or like free rides home.
Like, I don't know, just kindness.
Kind of sounds like female privilege a little bit.
It kind of is, and that's real and it exists, honestly.
Kind of sounds like life on easy mode.
Oh, no.
A little bit.
Don't you think?
We're just total strangers here.
Let me just finance your life.
We're the ones with the periods.
We're the ones who end up having the baby in our stomach, oftentimes being left by like the man we had the baby with.
That's simply.
I mean, there's a whole lot of people who are in the middle of the day for a meal.
It's not like they're paying for my rent.
Finance my life.
Like you're literally buying me food for a dinner.
It's a kind gesture.
Yeah, but I mean, maybe some of you have had sugar daddies.
I mean, we can get into that, but there's pros and cons to both being a man and woman for sure.
Yeah.
Shoot.
I mean, I guess I was my own sugar daddy because I've been living by myself since I was 12.
So.
Yeah.
See, but that's like expected of men, but like, oh man, anyways.
And let's also not forget that men get their egos up and they like when they do those things for a woman.
It's so simp.
It's so simple.
They do.
You're such a beautiful girl in the line.
Let me pay for your food.
I feel like totally like a simp as if he would have waited till I got there and asked me for my number.
Nothing.
He just paid for it and then left.
And then when I got to the register, the lady was like, that makes him more of a simple.
No, it was just like a kind gesture.
And then he just engaged with me and no one.
Have you ever done that for a guy?
I have.
Just some random dude.
Yeah, actually, I have.
I've given a guy free drinks before.
Like, that's a bar tent?
Yes, I have to pay for it out of pocket.
That's totally different.
You're saying this was another guy in line.
The question was if I've ever done like a nice gesture, right?
No.
That's a very different context.
Like, you, in your capacity as being employed by a bar and maybe you found some dude attractive and you bought him a free drink.
Is your argument that people can't just do nice gestures like a nice thing?
Like that's such a bad thing?
No, my argument, though, is that this tends to be typically from men directed towards women, and I think it's simpish to just like randomly see a hot, a girl you think is hot.
Let me just pay for her shit.
I don't know.
That's simp.
I don't know if I would call it simpish, but what if a boy has the money to do it and he just finds you attractive?
He has no money?
Like, no, what if, you know, he has money.
He's whatever.
Like, he has like some money to spend.
You only provide for a girl who is like your girlfriend.
That's it.
Yeah.
I'm going to provide for random chicks.
Oh, of course.
Oh, you're so hot.
Buying a drink is not providing, by the way.
What's that?
Buying a girl a $25 drink.
It's not providing.
He's saying that.
First off, this is another reason why not to go to the bars and stuff.
Like, it's not a big deal.
Like, buying a girl a drink or food, it's not a big thing.
Go to Bethmo and hang out with your girls.
It's just an act of generosity.
Because, like, you guys, every single one of us said, like, a man has come up to us and offered to pay for our food.
But how many times have we been in a restaurant and we decided to actually pay for someone's food?
Like, the only time I've ever paid for a man's food that was in front of me is because I re-rended him in the drive-thru.
He's just saying women have it easier on that.
What I have done is like given like a homeless person money.
That's a bit different.
How it was a man.
And that was like an act of kindness.
I didn't have to do that.
Right.
But like, there's sexuality.
That's almost like.
Yeah, but that's almost like charity.
Like a guy who you're a guy buying your food at the line in Chipotle is simp shit.
Because he thinks you're doing it because you attract it.
But I think that kind of makes him a man to do that kind gesture and not expect anything sexually or romantically back.
It's, oh, I see a pretty girl.
Like, I have the money for her.
I feel like that's kind of like a really masculine act.
And whenever chivalry and whenever like a man does that, I don't think that he's a simp.
If anything, it's very like attractive.
And I like a picture of the person who disappears and you never see him again.
If there's no basis for that.
It starts a mark in my head enough for me to tweet it.
Like that would like to be a little bit more difficult.
Wow, good for him.
He really got a lot out of that.
Yeah, that was so nice, though.
That was such a nice gesture.
Listen, if anybody catches me, I'm not against somebody paying for my food.
So good for you, of course.
If women just want to send me free money and free shit and buy me stuff, I'm not going to sit here and tell them no and object to it.
But if we're actually analyzing the situation, the dude's a fucking simp.
He's just buying a chick random food.
So randomly a stripper.
There being simps as well?
Yes.
First off, I don't encourage men going to strip clubs.
So yes, if you're going to strip club and you're keeping women because you feel like I'm attractive.
I'm glad you said that.
Yeah, it's still simpish.
Are you upset like a woman isn't simping over you and doing it for you?
I've had women simp over me.
Not gonna lie.
It's pretty fucking dope.
What is that?
I love it too.
Huh?
Were they feminine in their way?
Super feminine.
Yeah.
I went on a date last week.
She took care of everything.
Everything.
I said.
A girl need not be like hyper masculine to want.
Yeah, she asked me, did I want to go to dinner?
And she said she would pay.
You didn't think that was like nice?
Like that?
He was like, yeah.
I'm like, wow.
I'm criticizing that.
That's how she asked me.
I mean, we went to a museum.
Yeah, we went to the museum first.
Well, I was in New York.
We went to the museum in New York, the Natural History Museum.
And I took care of that.
But then while we were there, she was like, do you want to get ramen after?
I'll pay for it.
So is she a simp in your eyes right now?
Where do you stand with her right now?
Oh, do you appreciate her right now for her paying for you?
Oh, yeah.
I'll probably hit her about the pocket.
But like, is she like in your priority right now?
Yeah.
Do you think she would be less of a priority because she did that?
Well, I don't know.
I just kind of want to like hop into your guys' minds as you guys.
Well, hold on.
I like that.
I value that.
Yeah.
Here's the thing.
I think there's this trope of like, oh, and I know, Ella, you probably disagree with this, but like if a girl is actually contributing in some way, like if she's kind of simping on you, that shows a very high level of interest.
And like my personal view is if having been a guy who's dealt with low-interest women and high-interest women, it's way fucking better to deal with women who display high levels of interest versus a chick who's like a fence sitter.
I don't want to deal with the fence sitter chick.
I like girls that are like, I don't play this game of like this hard to get shit.
I like you, you like me.
Let's be together.
Let's keep it simple.
We don't need to play some fucking game.
I just don't like the word simp.
Like, I just think that's.
You might not like it, but a dude who you're not dating, a dude who you're not dating, who random stranger, who just pays for your shit, he's tricking.
That's a trick.
Right?
No, I just tricking you.
Is that the word?
Wait, do you think she's not tricking on you?
Do you think that girl is tricking on you then by buying the ramen teacher?
No, but he has a romantic, he has a lot of money.
He actually has like an interaction.
I feel like if it were more like a repetitive thing where it's like you're just going out like once a week to a specific restaurant and that person just happens to be there and every single time they're paying for it yeah they're a simp but if it's like that's not possible Yeah, it is.
But what if like paying for your food, it doesn't make a difference in his finances?
Yeah.
Like he's just wanted to do it because he wants to do it.
Like it's not impact.
It's not affecting people.
Because you're pedestalizing some random woman who doesn't.
Let him be.
That's how guys flirt.
I feel like.
They shouldn't flirt, though.
But that's their way of showing their interest.
But not all girls are going to show their interest by just buying a race.
Well, how about here's if you want to actually flirt with the chick, how about he step to you and be like, what's up?
Are you single?
I'd like to take you out sometime.
And at that point, he can start spending, potentially spending resources.
But to just like buy you your shit and be like, peace, that's fucking weird.
That's simp shit.
Well, some guys are dumb, I guess.
Facts, they are.
That's his point.
That's his point.
Dumb as wolf.
He's trying to prove his masculinity, if anything.
Like, if a man buying you stuff or like randomly buying you a drink or whatever, it's him like trying to like proclaiming I'm a man.
I can take care of that.
Masculine trick on me.
They like to do that.
Hold up, hold up.
Okay, so say that is the case.
Did you say anything to him?
No, I didn't get the chance to.
had already left okay so if i have men buy me drinks and not even saying hello to me Just like randomly like do you say anything else?
They're pussies and they don't have what it takes to actually step to you and be like, what's up?
I think it's like, I appreciate you.
You took the extra time in the mirror.
I appreciate that.
That's how I see it.
Have we taken into account that it's like Christmas time and that maybe he was like, oh, I'm going to do a little like secret Santa real quick and just buy her food and dip to do something nice for karma.
Was it from 2020?
Was it not this month?
No, no, no, no.
It was from 2020.
Ignore me.
Okay.
Look, that's just some sim shit.
That's, I mean.
Yeah.
Obviously, you guys are going to object to me categorizing it that way because you guys stand to benefit from men continuing to just fund your life.
Are you jealous?
Well, no, because the way I see it too.
Yes, I would love it if women.
Should we turn down those things?
Yeah, well, that's real.
Should we say no?
Oh my God, has it seemed like a bad thing?
I don't mind when people are doing it.
No, I don't blame you.
I take issue with the men doing this.
There's no blame on women if some fucking dork wants to buy your Chipotle and say nothing to you.
Good for you, bruv.
You saved 15 bucks.
Congratulations.
Good for you.
But like, I criticize the men.
If you're, guys, please never do this.
If you're, don't do it.
Why do you think men do that?
Huh?
Why do you think men buy women randomly think?
Because they're fucking pathetic.
That's why.
What are you telling us?
What do you do?
Please keep buying.
You have too much pride and trauma.
Trauma.
Built up.
Yeah.
Trauma.
Do you feel like you have a little too much to, whereby you think that they're like being simps when in reality they're just men that have let go of their ego and pride in that moment and have like healed the parts of them that were hurt by some woman, that they just want to do a kind of Eckhart Toll shit?
If they're on some power of now Eckhart Toll, the power of now and they're like they're.
They destroyed the ego, they destroyed the whatever the fuck it's called their heart.
Their heart chakras were aligned.
Please, it doesn't have to be that deep.
He would just be like I'm just.
The ego move is like I'm gonna show how fucking dope I am and pay for this girl's meal.
No, you just be like I'm gonna buy my own shit.
Who the fuck?
I don't give a fuck about this person.
That's the egolist response.
The ego response is like let me fucking flex on this chick.
Let me buy her fucking vegan Chipotle son.
Hell yeah, and sometimes it's adorable of them because they think it's like.
So they're like I'm doing such a great thing.
I'm gonna say why it makes them so.
I remember when I was younger my dad paid for the ladies in front of me all of her groceries and I not once thought that was like a simp thing at all.
I thought that was like such a nice thing, that is very nice, all of her groceries.
Did he say why?
Yeah, she was like a single mom and like had her two little kids and I don't know.
I just I think my dad just like felt like you know sorry for her and understood yeah, but I mean, but then again he is also a dad and he did see like a mom with two kids struggling to probably offer groceries.
Yeah, I did not at all think that that was a simp.
I thought wow, like that was such a nice thing.
Okay um, moving on.
Uh, you had a story about a threesome that turned into a foursome story but then went bad.
Oh god, was it three dudes, two dudes?
No, it was me.
It was me and a girl who I'm not friends with anymore and we had met these guys at a bar and it was I was kind of liking one of them and like, oh so then my friend, obviously she's like hooking up with the other guy, and so once we get to the room,
I start to realize that I actually don't like the guy that I'm was kind of flirting with the whole time at the bar and I I just kind of like focused more of my attention on the other guy that my friend was like, also like flirting with at the bar too,
So then we were like trying to like tell tell the like guy that I was talking to from the bar like okay like can you like get out and like this will be just a threesome now like it's not really a foursome and he had like his big old temper tantrum and like started fighting the guy in his own house and like me and the girl are just like sitting there like okay like is this really happening and then we just left.
Y'all should have just fucked each other.
What?
Wait.
So there's the main dude whose house it was who was getting down with you and your girlfriend.
Yeah, and they were friends.
And then there was like a random dude?
No, no, no.
It was two guys and me and my friend.
So two guys from the bar and you and your friend?
But you guys only wanted to fuck the one dude.
Well like at the bar he was cool, but then like after the bar, once we got back to the other guy's house, like I just realized like how like not cool he was and just like lame and I don't know.
He was just being weird, like too much, like too aggressive and like just too much word as my friend's guy like she was firing with, he was like super cool, super laid back.
Like he wasn't being like thirsty about anything like we're already there.
Like you don't have to try anymore.
Just like saying like random things like and just I don't know just being well okay just question for everybody here at the table.
Who here has had a threesome?
Anybody?
That's it.
The dog.
My dad is watching.
Foresome?
Almost.
It was almost like foursome 3.5.
Okay.
3.5.
You also said one night stands after the club thoughts.
Did you have something on one night stands after the club?
Oh, like what were my thoughts on one night stands?
Well, you mentioned you wanted to talk about it on the show.
Oh, like that was just a question.
Like what was everyone's thoughts of like one night stands after the club?
Disavow.
I think they like 10, I want a 10,000 night stand.
Like if I fuck, excuse me, excuse me.
If I sleep with a girl, I want to continue seeing her.
So like to me, what's the point of like sleeping with somebody once?
Yeah, I think they value men much more.
Like they benefit men much more than they benefit women.
Yeah.
Word.
Okay.
Let's see.
You also said, personally, if you're single, you have the freedom to date and do whatever you please.
I don't think being in the talking stage validates you as being taken.
Yes, I agree.
Oh.
Hey, Nick, there's a post that we reacted to.
It's in the just the Dropbox folder, I think it is.
Hold on.
It was a Reddit post.
It's like a weird string of numbers.
It's like F8LJ.
It's about the.
We can react to that.
Actually, I don't know if we have time.
Actually, we don't have time.
But so do you guys agree with that though?
If we haven't verbally discussed that we are official and like we're gonna be just like me and you, then yeah.
You can do anything you want.
Other than that, I think you're single.
You're open to date whoever.
I mean, technically, yes.
Be safe about it, though.
Like, don't put nobody's sexual health at risk, though.
Like, I think that's also important.
But I'm not going to be delusional and think that just because we're talking, oh my God, now let me just not talk to no other guy right now.
I think that there should be like communication through it.
Like be like, hey, we're talking.
Are we going to be serious?
Are we just talking?
Like, what's going on?
You know, because when you're talking, there's a lot of things that can happen.
And it can be taken like four different ways.
So it's always good to just clarify and make sure.
Well, and you said you were like you're cool with dating, like seeing multiple people.
It sounded like you recommend women date multiple people.
Yes.
At what point, though, do you think that you should open the window to ask that question?
Because I feel like ask the question to be with multiple people.
No, like be communicative of like what are like, what is it?
Like, are you going to like not sleep with nobody else?
Like, when is that?
When is that talking, flirting, actively, like talking about future plans together and talking about perhaps starting a relationship is when you should actually start being like, hey, when it moves on from the friend stage, basically.
Like, when you're just friends, if you know, because you know if someone's trying to date you.
Like, you, sorry, you know, if someone's trying to, like, be with you, you know?
Even if you're just talking, you can tell.
Like, you know, so I feel like you should honestly know when to ask.
I'll give you a more direct answer from the moment you realize that your feelings are deeper and you want more.
I think that's a good thing that crosses your mind.
You should ask.
Yeah.
Or like bring up how you feel about it.
I've got a hot take on this one.
This is my own personal view and standard.
The moment I go on a first date with a girl, if you want a second date with me, it has to be a wrap with every other guy you're seeing.
You've decided you want to see me again.
The other guys are a rap.
That's it.
Huh?
You agree?
Yeah.
No, like, look, if you want to be a guardian tool, go ahead.
But certainly, I don't even want to go on a first date with a girl that's fucking another guy.
That doesn't even interest me.
If you're currently sleeping with a dude, I don't care if you're not exclusive with him.
I don't care if it's an open thing, whatever.
I don't, it's not worth my time to even go on a date with you.
Even if you like fall in, like you really dig me and you're going to curve the dude that you're fucking, bro.
There's no scenario where I want to be going on a first date with a girl and she's fucking another dude.
So immediately that's a disqualifier.
So I want very quickly your undivided sexual and romantic attention.
And people might think, yo, that's some crazy, bro.
That's way too soon, blah, blah, blah.
But how many people are complaining about hookup culture?
How many people are complaining about being in situationships for fucking six months?
Maybe that's moving too fast, but I just view it like it works.
I don't like, I don't want to be dealing with a girl that's like fucking other dudes or even going on dates with other dudes.
I want your, again, your undivided sexual and romantic attention.
Is it fair for like the woman to ask the same from you though?
Like all the time.
If you can get it.
Yeah.
Like if she does that, is it like valid and fair for you to do the same?
Like reciprocate that?
Like not see anyone else?
I mean, it would be a very good screening mechanism because if your goal as a woman is commitment and you might say, well, I'm going to scare off the guy.
I mean, if the guy's really into you, he's attracted to you.
Otherwise, he's just exploring his options and you're just an option.
Granted, some guys, they're just trying to poe around, fuck a bunch of chicks.
You might not be able that early on to get that, but I would argue, like, if you come with that kind of energy early on, you might be surprised.
You might find a guy who's like, let's fucking do this.
Fuck all this situationship, not knowing where we stand.
Like, it actually could be a very positive paradigm for people to approach things because I don't think people are satisfied with, oh, let me just be in a situation ship for six months and he's fucking other chicks and I'm fucking other dudes and da So yeah.
So for, I mean, me personally, like I only deal with, well, ideally, I only deal with women who have a very high level of interest.
And if she's cut off or doesn't have other sexual and romantic options, for me, I'm going to be much more inclined to want to just pursue her.
So, yeah.
So.
All right.
I just want to say that when I encourage women to date multiple men, I'm not saying that they should be sleeping with those men.
Okay.
Yeah, like don't sleep with men until they show commitment to you and you guys form a relationship.
Now, I encourage women to date multiple men.
Why?
Because we tend to bond quickly and develop feelings and attachment to certain men.
And that may not be the best match.
So I feel women should explore their options and see, okay, whose guy is giving me the most attention?
Whose guy is giving, you know, he's ready to commit.
Who's putting the most amount of effort?
You know, those things we have to take into account and make better decisions for ourselves instead of just picking the first guy that we find.
Can I respond to that real quick?
I get that, but there's one statement that obstructs her ability to do that.
But I don't want them.
I want him.
Rational.
Okay.
I feel like women need to be more logic when it comes to relationships.
And it's true.
Like, we tend to, you know, go, you know, make excuses and sacrifices for, you know, those men.
Like, and they may not deserve those sacrifices.
Maybe that man, it's not good for us.
Maybe it's a cheating man.
It doesn't look for commitment or looks for all the things that doesn't align to what I'm looking for in a relationship.
So again, logic, you know, have your roster, right?
And see which one is the best match and compare them.
That's why I'm not sure.
I like the idea.
In theory, it's just because the moment you sleep with them, you're at a disadvantage.
I mean, look, I think it is kind of the status quo that people have come to accept, especially with social media and dating apps, that people are going to be dating multiple people, both men and women.
I don't think we necessarily need to accept that.
And it might work doing this whole dating multiple men thing.
I will say, a guy who knows what he wants and he knows that he's just an option for you, he's probably just going to be like, the other dudes can have her.
And you've maybe lost out on the guy who's otherwise would have given you commitment or who's otherwise a great guy.
I can say from my perspective, if I'm talking to a girl, and you might say, Brian, it's unreasonable for you to expect a girl to just drop all her options immediately or to only be talking to you.
Maybe it's true.
Maybe it's not.
But what I can say is this is perhaps the case for me and for a lot of us.
I don't know if it's for a lot of men because a lot of men really don't have any standards or boundaries or preferences.
But if a girl tells me that she's dating other men, I'm just not going to pursue you.
That's it.
I'm not going to try to pressure you into stop.
No, just like goodbye.
Okay.
It's over.
Like, not going to pursue you.
There's also competitive men.
I feel men are competitive in nature.
And if they know that you are maybe talking to other men, and if he wants to be the man of your life, he's going to do everything in his hands to make sure that he's the only one and you're, you know, that you're giving him your undivided attention.
So he's going to fight for that position.
What I'm not for, it's women just, you know, getting with the first dude that they find, and they make excuses and sacrifices, and that man, you know, like breaks their heart.
Like, no, you want to be in my life, you have to win your position.
I just think, like, when you do fall upon, like, when you do meet the guy that you really like, if it becomes evident to him that you're maybe you're not sleeping with other guys, although a lot of women are, you're dating other men.
Like, if I went on a date with a girl and she, we've had girls come on the podcast, say they'll go on two dates in a day.
I don't care how fucking cool you are.
If I find out that I took you on a date and then you dipped to go on a date with another dude, it's a rap.
I don't want anything to do with you.
That's just disrespectful.
Similarly, women will go on three, four, five, six dates a week.
I went on a date with you.
You got three dates lined up with other men.
It's just a headache for me.
I don't want to deal with low-interest women.
If we go on the first date, if you want a second date, the other guys have to be a rep. That's it.
I'm going to deal with, oh, you're still, you're on the fence about me.
You still want to get no.
Okay.
And not every guy agrees with me.
Some guys are like, hey, that's a reality.
This is going to occur.
Sorry, I hold on.
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Do you only give bad advice?
Please stop.
One dude at a time.
Dating multiple dudes is an immediate red flag, and actual good men will move on to a woman that has respect and dates purposefully.
Woman, explore your options.
Yeah.
Disavow, disagree, disagree.
Okay, going back to you, you do OF, correct?
Yes.
What kind of content do you do on the OF?
Solo content, boy girl, girl, girl.
Oh, mostly solo.
Have you done any boy girl content?
In the past, but not any, not anymore.
With just one guy or multiple girls?
Yeah, just one guy.
Just one guy, like a boyfriend or something?
Yeah.
You guys were doing content together?
Yeah.
Okay.
I have a question.
So I notice you're wearing a cross.
And then you're, Nick, can you pull up her Instagram?
I noticed this on your Instagram.
It's going to take a sec.
God first.
Woman of God.
Oh, right.
Wait.
Nick, Nick.
What's your Instagram?
NikkiForen Egg.
Go ahead, Nick.
Nick, you can pull up the YouTube video and it's in the description of the...
Sorry.
Okay.
Are there any chats?
Are there any chats?
No, there's no chats.
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My bio says God first, but what was going to be the question?
Well, I got it right.
Yeah.
I got it right.
Because God is first.
God first, one of one goat?
Is that a goat?
Yeah, because I'm a Capricorn.
Oh, okay.
What does one of one mean?
Like, I'm one of one.
There's only one of me.
So you're special is what you're saying?
There's only one version of me.
There's only one meal.
Sure, that's true, I guess.
Yeah, that is not a double of me.
But do you think, like, couldn't anybody say that?
Yeah, everyone is welcome to saying that.
They're one of one themselves.
Yeah.
So, but, like, doesn't that, if you're trying to point out that you're special, but everybody is a one, if everyone's a one-of-one, don't you think it's kind of arbitrary and redundant to put it in the Instagram profile?
No, because I wanted to put that in my Bible.
Pull it back up.
You said God first.
Yes.
So I'm curious, right?
Like, do you consider yourself a traditional woman?
Do I believe in God?
Yes.
No, but different question.
Do you consider yourself a traditional woman?
I don't know what a traditional woman would be living in 2003 with Instagram and with social media and with the dating pool that's going and with everything that's happening in the world and how women are becoming more independent.
Like, I'm not going to subscribe to that.
Can you show us the cross, the necklace?
Oh, you have a tattoo?
Yeah, I have it tattooed, and I have the cross on my hand.
Well, I'm curious, like, how do you reconcile God first, cross tattoo, cross necklace?
I mean, don't, do you think God would approve of you doing OnlyFans and porn?
Yes.
God loves me.
Yes.
1,000%.
Wait, God approves of you.
God loves me.
Can I just have you feel like this is that scene from fucking The Wolf of Wall Street where they're on the boat with Jordan Belford and he tries to bribe the FBI agent or whatever and the FBI agent's like, can you say that one more time just the way you said it?
So in your own words, God approves of you doing OnlyFans and porn.
God loves me.
No matter what I do, God will always.
Yes.
I firmly believe that.
In any decision I make, I think God is with me and loves me.
What if you blaspheme God?
Does he still love you?
Wait, theme God.
Blaspheme?
What is that?
Blasphemy?
Blaspheme.
Blaspheme.
Blasphemy.
Like saying screw God.
I would never say screw God, though.
But you said he would love you.
Okay, well, I guess how do you reconcile being a godly woman, but also engaging in porn and doing OnlyFans?
Because I make money off of that.
Sorry that I make money.
So what if you made money off of being a drug dealer?
I'm not ashamed of being an OnlyFans model or how my profile looks or how I look.
I'm not ashamed at all.
I own it and I am a woman of God and I do believe in God and I do believe that I'm still going to go to heaven regardless of any choice or decision that I've made.
But the original question is, does he approve?
So God forgives, he forgives sin, but does he approve of it?
Yes.
He approves of sin.
You're not sinning?
Regardless, I'm still going to go to heaven.
He's still going to love me and he's still going to accept me no matter what.
Is that how that works?
My God will do that for me, yes.
Well, you're a Christian, I'm assuming.
Or Catholic or Christian.
Okay, but like, I just, how do I, that's where I struggle here.
It's not, I'm not saying I necessarily object to you doing OnlyFans and porn.
How do you reconcile God first, being a Christian, being cat, whatever it is, but doing OnlyFans and why is porn and OnlyFans a bad thing?
What if I was like, I'm going to tell you that?
Like, what if I, like, for example, what if I was getting raped, right?
And I needed to leave.
Just, okay, make your point.
If I couldn't get out of X amount of situation or whatever, and I had no other choice but to do that, and that was going to give me money to be able to get out of a bad situation.
Like, why is it a bad thing now?
Would I want to be continued to be in that situation or get out?
Hold on.
I'm not going to be able to do that.
I mean, it's not really a good example, but I'm not following the logic here about how you mentioned being.
A lot of girls that do porn and that are getting out of bad situations that help them to get out of bad situations.
Is that the case for you?
Yes.
You mean a bad financial situation?
A bad like home situation, yes.
Like domestic violence type thing?
So you're saying that women are obliged to turn to porn and doing OnlyFans if they're not gonna, I'm not gonna be judged when I go to the gates of heaven and God's not gonna be like, oh, I'm not gonna let you in because you did OnlyFans or porn.
No, He's gonna judge my character, how I was.
Was I a kind person?
Was I um I can't say that word either.
Anyways, He's not gonna not let me in because of those things.
He's gonna either let me in or not because of the choices that I've made by being a good human being and being loving and kind and being a good person.
But not from OnlyFans.
I'm not hurting nobody.
I'm not harming anything.
You're sinning.
I'm not harming anybody.
You're sinning.
You're definitely not harming anyone.
And it's not like God, your God does love you and your God does care about you.
But if you go for all Christian beliefs, he would not be happy or accept what you were doing, but he would forgive you.
That's for sure.
But you say you aren't harming anyone.
I mean, to be frank, with all due respect, you're harming society.
You're harming men.
You're kind of warping the way the dating scene is and how traditional values are.
I didn't create OnlyFans.
But you're participating in it.
So you're participating in the decay of society, really.
But how do you do that?
But people are paying for that.
And how does it necessarily decay society?
Because it's been around for literally generations.
It talks about it in the Bible.
Because it's warping the way sex is viewed by men.
So they come in and they see these fetishes and then they expect it from their wives and they.
But that's always been a thing.
Since the dawn of time.
So OnlyFans has been around since the dawn of time.
Not OnlyFans, but just porn in general.
OnlyFans and porn takes it to a whole new level.
Okay, let me give you an example.
Okay.
In Mexico, right?
Before even the internet was a thing, you could go down to TJ and you can go see some questionable stuff for a price.
What is this?
This is so unrelated.
Now all you have to do, yeah, all you have to do is go online and look stuff up and then you can look up like the weirdest fetishes you want available.
Okay, but this is totally unrelated and irrelevant to the actual conversation at hand.
I'm asking you because it's totally unrelated.
If you guys want to derail the conversation, no, but okay.
How you say, like, if you weren't so publicly outwardly like, I'm a godly woman, God first, you have a cross.
Do you wear the cross while you're engaging in shooting your porn?
I do.
Actually, I never take it off.
I've actually never taken it off in like the past, I don't know, like five years.
Get the rocks.
Abdul?
Yeah, get the rock.
Get the rocks.
So while you shoot porn.
Like, okay, let me ask you a question.
Does Jesus say, if you love me, keep my commandments?
It says to follow the Ten Commandments, but that's why Jesus died on the cross, was because no one's going to keep my commandments.
Follow the Ten Commandments.
And God knew that no one was going to 100% be able to follow the Ten Commandments, which was why Jesus had died on the cross to forgive all of our sins.
So he knew that we weren't going to follow them.
Yeah, but if you consider yourself a Christian person, a godly person, you need to start moving in a way that is.
So which commandment says not to act in porn?
Okay, so I can address that.
The purpose of pornography is to create lust.
Lust is one of the seven deadly sins.
Lusting is equivalent to adultery.
But those Matthews 5, 27, 28.
I'm sorry, I'm reading from notes here, but.
Okay.
So, that being said, though.
Okay, what is Matthew?
I'm not even necessarily making a criticism of porn or OnlyFans.
What I'm making a criticism of is if you're going to say, God first, I'm a godly woman, you're wearing a cross, you've got a cross tattoo, but you are like sorry, I'm not atheist.
Are you a Christian?
I love Christian.
I'm a man of God.
I'll just say that.
I'm a man of God.
Do you follow him closely?
Have you read the book of Enoch?
The fuck is that?
That's a good question.
What the fuck is that?
It's a part of the Bible that's that guy.
It tells the story of Noah's grandfather and what happened during the fall of the angels.
Do you follow God closely?
Huh?
Do you think that?
This isn't about me.
Like, if somebody wants to criticize me for the way I'm moving, that's totally fine.
But I guess, like, I'm not, I'm not.
You've got God first in your Instagram bio.
You've got a cross first.
Do you think that's bad, though?
Like, am I. Why is this?
Why is it bad?
I'm not saying that I love God.
What if it was like my daughter or something?
Like, I promote that I love God.
What's so bad about that?
No, my question to you is: I'm not even so much making necessarily a judgment that you do OF or that you do porn.
It's like, how do you reconcile God first, wearing a cross, having a cross tattoo with doing OF and porn?
It's clearly against the Christian faith.
So, like, how do you balance that?
What do you mean?
How do I?
I'm not trying to balance it.
I'm just doing it.
Like, I just love God and I believe God.
But if, okay, if, so to identify as somebody who's religious or Christian, you would have to abide.
I suspect you'd have to abide by certain behaviors.
And if you're not abiding by those behaviors, are you really like a Christian?
Okay, so you're a Christian, right?
Have you going against it too if you didn't wait to have sex before marriage, too?
So you're sinning as well.
So what does my sin make a difference between yours?
Well, I think there's branding it on myself, just because I have it on me doesn't make me any different from you.
It says in the Bible that all sins are created the same.
So no matter which sin you're doing, it's all going to be the same.
I think there are some that, I mean.
No, if you read in the Bible, if you've read the Bible, you would know that it literally says that all sin is treated equally in the eyes of the Lord.
A sin is a sin, no matter what it is.
I'm not claiming to be like perfect and holy, but like it's very like that there were degrees of sins.
But in God's eyes, there is.
And then I take the L on that specific statement that I said.
In any case, it's just, to me, it's like, okay, you're wearing a Christian cross.
You've got a cross tattoo, Nick.
Pull up the Instagram again.
You've got God first on your Instagram.
And right below it is the link to your link tree or whatever that links to your OnlyFans where you're doing porn and you're nude and you're it's lust.
And then furthermore, I mean your photos are pretty revealing.
Yeah.
It's a marketplace.
But like God first, I don't reconcile.
I don't know how you reconcile.
Nick, scroll down on the Instagram a little bit.
Let's just see.
Bro, it's like booty, booty, booty.
Is this God first?
Is this godly?
Is this like- You're gorgeous.
Oh, thank you.
It's just like, bruv, it's.
Why doesn't matter?
It's just her.
I'm not seeing her.
Not the devil.
She's just like, I think it's just a glaring contradiction, is what he's pointing out.
What I use my Instagram for is basically like a billboard, for example.
Like, I'm basically trying to allure or like bring in people to subscribe to my OnlyFans.
So I'm promoting it or like making it like a market, right?
So I'm sorry that I'm using my Instagram as a business.
Maybe you guys use it as like a personal social media first.
I'm getting to that.
I personally use it as a business, right?
That's just a business for me.
God is not going to shame me or like not accept me because I decided to do one business choice.
Like I just, it's not.
He's not going to not love me or not accept me.
Does so I mean, this is, I think this is one of the complaints of a lot of religion.
If your religion stands for nothing, if you don't, if the followers of the said religion do not adhere to the religious principles, then what really if you're not following the doctrine, where's the like, where is the system?
I'm not a bad person for doing OnlyFans.
And then what is the doctrine of Christianity then?
It's certainly, you can't, like, it's certainly not let me make pornographic content.
Do you, but do you know, like, the actual, like, like, what is being Christian?
Like, what does it entail?
There's a, there's Christian doctrine.
There's ways in which you should move if you're a religious person.
And those are perfect like that.
Like, nobody's perfect.
Sure, but like, it seems to me like a pretty glaringly, a pretty glaring.
Like how it's so, it's such a glaring system.
You could try to tear me down about that, but I stand firm in that.
Like, I still believe that I am a woman of God and I love God and God is.
God first, right?
It's just like God first, right below it.
Here's a link to my OnlyFans.
Like that's not, it doesn't make sense to me.
You're a bad bitch, girl.
You're fine.
Oh, yeah.
No, to actually reference, like, so there's a, there's a Matthew 5, 27, 28.
The purpose of pornography is to create lust.
Lust is one of the seven deadly sins.
Ergo, it is sinful.
Okay, but what does it say right after the Ten Commandments?
And why did Jesus die on the cross?
Literally, everyone is going to sin.
Yes, it could be sinful, but guess what?
So is talking crap on anyone.
So is wanting the Nintendo Switch that your neighbor has.
So is wanting the Tesla that your neighbor has.
So is everything.
Everyone is going to sin, and sinning is a part of life.
That is why Jesus died on the cross.
And that is the whole point of Christian religion is to acknowledge that you're sinning, realize what's going on, apologize to God, and realize that no matter what, you're never going to be better than anyone else.
We're all in this fight together and we just all need to support each other.
Yes, we are human and we will all sin.
That is not permission to sin.
You have to walk.
It's a call to be vigilant of our thoughts and actions.
Okay, but if you're sinning to make a living for yourself.
That's wrong.
How?
Because it's a continued pattern of behavior.
So you don't think that God understands that you're doing it for your own survival in order to she can survive without doing OnlyFans.
Okay, but it's probably not going to be as convenient.
Are you kidding me?
Just because something's difficult that it shouldn't be done.
I don't think that.
I'm just saying that if someone has an option to make their lives functional for them and they find something that works for them and they're making an income for themselves, good for them.
And God obviously gave her the opportunity to do so.
Everything happens for a reason.
Who's to say God gave her the opportunity?
Who's to say?
Yeah, no, no, actually.
Who's to say that this isn't years down the line that this isn't going to be an awakening and opening a door for something else in the future?
Poor.
No, not what I meant.
I actually understand what she's saying.
So, like, for instance, maybe other agencies, maybe other markets, there's a lot of things that only fans can open up a door to.
And to be honest, if God led her to this door, God has a plan for everyone.
And everyone has a path.
Right?
So if you're saying perfect.
No, I'm not saying that you're saying you're perfect, but your whole thing is, oh, like, how would God feel?
How would God feel?
None of us know how, no, we'll know how God will feel.
But what we do know is that He literally sent down His only Son to die on the cross for our sins.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you continually engage in behavior if I didn't have that in my bio, or if I wasn't wearing this, if I didn't, like, is that the difference that I'm just like branding it?
What's the, what is like the thing that's like bothering you about it?
It's you're wearing a cross, you've got a cross tattoo.
You have to see the secret of God.
Literally, a line above your link to your OnlyFans, to your porn, says, says what?
God first.
You're clearly not putting God first because if we habitually, continually, hold on.
If we habitually and continually, constantly, joyfully, and frequently practice sin, we are not children of God.
And I, that's a little note I had here.
But that's true.
I'm not, I'm Christian.
I'm not a perfect Christian whatsoever.
You can still love God, but if you want to build a relationship with God, if you want to be connected to God, you have to let go of sin.
You have to sacrifice your faith.
Oh, me and my connection with God is like this, honey.
Nobody at this panel or table is going to be a good thing.
Does God want you to do porn?
No.
However, I talk to God or however my relationship is with God or whatever my conversations were with God, it doesn't matter.
It's nobody else's opinion but mine.
It's my relationship with God.
At the end of the day, I don't think God is okay with what you're doing, but I do think He'll forgive you.
That's fair.
That could be a fair way to put it.
That's fair.
Forgive you.
But you disagree?
Oh, no, he will.
Oh, okay.
Lincoln Bio.
Bro, this is the most fucking haram shit ever.
Haram.
Okay.
We have Brigitte.
Bridget.
Is it Brigitte or Brigitte?
Brigitte.
Like Bernie.
Let's see.
Fuck, we're really behind here on.
Okay.
I want to.
Okay, we're going to probably end up going a little late, but part of me really wants to talk to you guys so you know that not everyone who wants equality is stupid.
Honestly, I feel as though even that could rebuttal your points better than any of these other women who have literally no points whatsoever.
Did you want to expand on that?
There was just, it was like in your very beginning of your podcast.
Tilt your mic.
Just tilt it down.
Tilt it down a little bit.
It was in the very beginning of your podcast more.
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay, it was in the very beginning, like when you first started your podcast.
I watch you a lot on YouTube.
There was this one girl, and I think you had asked, like, is it like, it was something about how, you know, women always want to be like taken care of, you know, have their stuff paid for, et cetera, et cetera.
And you were like, oh, kind of like, what if, like, I think you said, what if, like, that, like, a man were to want that or something like that?
Okay.
And the woman was like, oh, like, that's wrong.
Like, blah, blah, blah.
And you were like, why?
And then crickets.
Like, she literally didn't say anything.
So that was kind of like the main thing that I was looking back to.
And once again, like, especially with that point specifically, I feel, again, as both parties should be equal in all aspects.
You know, when it comes to working, yeah, if you want, you can either have a man having the higher paying job or the woman having a higher paying job.
But what would benefit most is if both parties were working and both having an income for the house to be able to invest it into a Roth IRA, into a retirement account, into a trust fund.
And then once you have enough saved up together, which it's going to be marginally easier to save up as a unit than it would be as a singular person individually making an income, right?
Use that money that you saved up, buy a house, start a family, and be able to retire early because you have a Roth IRA.
So you were, you disagree with something a girl said on the show.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
Good times.
Good times.
Oh, wait.
Going back to you.
Wait, I have a question for anybody here?
Who has plastic surgery?
Wait.
Plastic surgery.
Oh.
Wait, that means boobs or like cosmetic, cosmetic surgery.
Any enhancements?
Anybody?
Cosmetic surgery, anything?
Nothing?
Nothing?
Got my tonsils removed.
What do you have?
Oh, like lips, Botox.
In the face?
Yeah.
Anything else?
No.
Nothing else?
A little lipo here and there?
A little lipo?
BBL?
No.
I actually did not.
No, I actually did not.
Oh, my God.
If I got a BBL, I might ask you to get away from it.
Stop the cap.
Stop the cap.
No BBL?
No.
I work out like almost every single day.
Why do you think she has a BBL?
Just because she has a fat ass.
Okay.
All right.
If you say so.
Oh, man.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's see here.
We have Shelby.
Oh, don't.
You said in your interim it says prettiest girl in the graveyard.
Are you a mortician?
I want to be.
Oh, okay.
But you're not like in the funeral business at all?
No.
Oh, okay.
For some reason, I thought you might have been employed in that thing.
Okay, we talked.
Oh, wait, let me see if the dude slid in the DMs.
Oh, let's see.
The M, Mr. M. Who's.
Somebody.
Oh my god, bro.
There's a guy who DM'd me who said that Brigitte...
Normally I don't do this, but I'm trying.
Someone says that you gave him head while you were in a four-year relationship.
Who?
I'm not going to say.
What?
He asked me to keep his name private.
It could be bullshit.
It could be some bullshit.
I want to know.
Who is this?
Because I don't remember that.
He says gave him head while you're in a four-year relationship.
Briggy?
I don't know.
Sounds like you might have actually done that shit, but okay.
Okay, let's see.
Hold on.
I don't appreciate yourself.
I lived in Oregon.
Oh, breakups and how to do it properly.
We kind of talked about that, not being a coward and actually being a good person when taking care of hard shit, how to do it properly.
I think you've been dating somebody for a while.
You know, like a text is fair, you know.
Are you fucking serious?
Kind of.
That's pathetic.
That's the type of shit that makes girls go crazy.
Like genuinely, you're a piece for like a piece of shit for that.
What, if you do a text?
Yeah.
I feel.
Girls do that shit too.
I feel like if you guys were to shade.
Yeah, but the man I just proposed in front of her dad.
Like.
Not seem a little off?
Perhaps.
Perhaps.
Let's see.
Wait, somebody said earlier that it was, fuck, in response to something I said that it was because of trauma.
I did.
Oh, yes.
What was it about?
Was it about the.
It was not about the bar club thing.
It was something else.
No, but I think she said it twice.
I think it was about not being able to let go of your ego and seeing guys as simps for being nice to women.
Oh, right.
You said it was like a trauma because pride attached to you.
Yeah.
No, I don't think there's any trauma.
I've heard from other men, though, and I see a lot of men spending a lot of money on women that are not their girlfriends.
I think that's some simp shit.
You're just mad you're not getting the money.
What's that?
You're just mad you're not getting the money.
No, it's not that I'm mad that I'm not getting some stranger's money.
It's just like some simp shit.
Do you guys think as men that trauma from like past relationship follows men much more than women into future relationships because you guys don't have the same kinds of channels we do to like heal from that trauma or learn from it?
Like do you guys think that your past negative experiences follow you guys more into your relationships than they do us?
We don't go to therapy.
We start podcasts.
Okay, so that's how this is.
Nah, I mean, I actually think it's probably the reverse.
Because men, like, as women start getting more and more trauma, they become more and more masculine typically.
And that typically makes women less attractive to partners.
Whereas I think, look, trauma can break anybody.
But typically, like, trauma tends to make makes you a bit harder as an individual, right?
You get a thick skin when you've gone through shit.
But like, men, we're attracted to women who are soft.
We don't want like a hard, jaded woman.
Tends to turn you a little sour.
Whereas I think that impact on men, while it can certainly sour men, it gives men experience and it hardens them.
And women are attracted to hardened men.
Women aren't attracted to soft boys.
So I think there's a differential there.
True.
I think it depends on the woman.
Yeah.
I'm definitely not attracted to like hardcore men.
What do you mean, hardcore men?
Like hard men, like you were saying.
That's not attractive.
So you prefer soft men?
I do.
I like that.
Who haven't had, who haven't struggled, who haven't gone through adversity?
No, of course, but like men in touch with their emotions and able to actually communicate like a fucking girl.
Yeah, I like that shit.
Being a hard man doesn't necessarily mean that you have to have gone through a bunch of hardship.
Still be wise and have not gone through any hardship.
Like you could have, like, for instance, you can have a guy grew up healthy relation, like healthy family relationship, right?
Good mom, good dad, went to high school, finished everything great in his life, goes to school, has a career, right?
Raises a family, finds a girlfriend, you know?
Like, you don't necessarily where was the wisdom acquired in everything you just said?
The wisdom?
What's the point?
Let's see, through schooling, through family members, teaching, sharing their experiences, and then eventually, once you have like the wife and the kids, then you gain experience into fatherhood.
Isn't wisdom typically acquired through first-hand experience?
Yes, but that can also come from like work.
It doesn't necessarily have to be something that's super like hardship, you know, that comes with everyday life.
Like, for instance, he's obviously going to have to have a job.
He's going to learn life skills at that job.
He's going to gain knowledge at that job.
He's technically going to go through hardships at whatever job he's going to go to.
Because you're going to have to deal with stress.
You're going to have to deal with time management.
You're going to have to deal with renting your own place and just life in general.
How does that develop his relationship skills?
Well, he can develop his relationship skills through dating.
Oh, okay.
Grid one motor sports.
It's grid one.
It's grid one, everybody.
Getting out of most relationships is not trauma.
It's freedom, and we rarely look back.
Also, real men understand how to deal with fear feelings and are not soy.
Oh, wait.
I just had a total fucking epiphany.
I think there's a really big differential in grid one.
Thank you so much because that just like major fucking light bulb went off in my head.
So are you guys familiar with this trope of women being attracted to guys who are bad boys?
Yeah.
Like women will be writing letters to dudes in prison like serial killers and shit.
Men really aren't doing that type of shit.
So when we're talking about trauma, like a guy will, granted, there's like women with BPD and that will fucking ruin your life and shit.
Men can definitely get like trauma from dating a chick.
Don't get me wrong.
However, I would argue that women, a lot of women, will specifically seek to date bad boy types, jerks, assholes, whatever.
Because these men typically tend to have dark triad personality traits that a lot of women find attractive or they confuse for confidence.
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good men that are confident, but like I would argue a lot of women would rather date like the bad boy who's a jerk, but he's confident versus like the nice guy, right?
So could it be the case that women actually develop more trauma because of the very men that women choose to date?
Because women are attracted to bad boys and jerks and assholes, whereas men, we're typically attracted to like soft and kind women.
I mean, like for example, for example, there's this thing called it's hibristophilia.
Is it habristophilia?
Let me just habristophilia.
Wait, it's hibristophilia.
Habristophilia.
Meaning to perpetuate, wait, oh, the phenomenon of an individual being sexually aroused by a criminal offender.
So this typically manifests itself more so in women than in men.
And so women are, to some degree, are attracted to the criminal, not all women, of course.
Find to some degree criminality attractive in men because men who have a propensity towards violence or criminality are more capable of defending you or have the capacity for violence, and women find that attractive.
Obviously, I'm not saying women want to be beaten or anything by men, but you want a guy who's capable of protecting you in some sort of self-defense or violence situation.
So, a guy who has capacity for violence, and this can be evidenced, like if you're a violent criminal, that could be attractive to women.
So, could it be the case that women actually confer more trauma and baggage from their relationships because they're attracted to men who might be toxic?
Yes.
One of the things that I learned in psychology is that we tend to date whoever is reminding us of the most difficult parent.
So, if that person, you know, grew up having a difficult father, maybe he was absent or maybe he was abusive, that person have the tendency to seek that, you know, those behaviors in their partners because subconsciously they're trying to fix their relationship with the, you know, with their father through their partners.
And it's also because that's what they're comfortable with.
It's all they've known.
Yeah.
So it takes some experience to like teach yourself that's not what's normal and getting out of what you're comfortable with because you're used to that emotional instability, you're used to that absence.
Yeah.
Use like the manipulation, just not having like someone stable.
So those are organically like the types of people you originally attract, but then you like can get out of that cycle, you know, and realize and come to like matters with the fact that that is why you previously liked people like that.
And that used to be like me previously.
Like I used to like like boys like for so long because, yeah, because of family trauma like that.
Also, I just want to add on to my previous point.
I would argue that perhaps women get more trauma and baggage from relationships because a lot of women pursue men that excite them in some way.
You often hear women almost need you need to have the vibe, the chemistry, the click, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
This sort of nebulous, vague term, the vibe, the chemistry, the click.
Who is best capable of eliciting that in women?
Typically, playerish dudes, guys who don't really give a fuck about you, assholes, jerks, bad boys, etc.
It's a trope.
Like, this is a thing.
This is a stereotype.
Women are attracted to bad boys.
Okay, well.
Low self-esteem women are attracted to a lot of women.
There's even women who are high self-esteem women who I need a bad boy phase.
I need to date around and date a whole bunch of different kinds of guys.
Like, I'm not saying all women, but like, there's certainly something to be said that women are far more attractive.
Like, women are much more willing to date a guy who displays criminality, for example, than the reverse, I would argue.
Additionally, I would say that typically you hear women complain about men being boring.
He's not funny.
Like, for example, men don't have it very high on the totem pole of, is she funny?
Is she entertaining?
Who's the guy who's going to keep you entertained and keep you on your feet and keep you excited and keep that like dopamine, keep that the rush of excitement?
Probably kind of toxic guys that kind of treat you a certain way.
So.
And let me add: I hate using the term trauma.
I think trauma is one of these buzzwords that's getting overused, using to describe regular shit that occurs.
People break up, people go through heartbreak.
As humans, we're equipped to deal with heartbreak.
It doesn't mean it was trauma.
And women take on more trauma than men do because women have more unrealistic expectations in relationships, which means when their expectations aren't met, their goals aren't met.
They take much more of a hit.
Women have a heightened stress response.
They respond to stress differently than men.
They experience stress deeper than men.
And they're more deeply affected by the way they're going to perceive relationships when they move forward after they didn't meet their expectations in their previous dating experiences.
The most traumatic thing a man typically experiences with a woman is infidelity.
And if you ask me, when a man experiences a certain level of acute trauma, I'm going to say acute because there's various types of trauma.
So acute trauma.
When a man experiences that acute trauma, then what that does is that sharpens him.
That makes him more aware of the reality of female nature, what women are capable of, what women will do, and that primes him to better deal with women in his future, set boundaries that he didn't set in his first relationship, have standards, have preferences, exhibit those things, demonstrate those things, things that he probably didn't do because a lot of men love really, really naively when they first get into relationships.
They think women won't do certain things.
They think women aren't capable of doing certain things.
And then when that woman does it, it's like, oh shit, like I got cheated on.
Oh shit, she fucked me over.
Now I know moving forward what to look for in women.
And that makes him more attractive because now he becomes the guy who's much more hardened emotionally.
He becomes the guy who's not scared to tell a woman no.
He becomes the guy who's not scared to hold a woman accountable.
These are things that women actually respond to in men.
They like men that do these things.
Whereas with women, women will constantly curb men once they've experienced something traumatic.
I'm not going through that again.
I'm not doing that.
Men ain't shit.
Fuck men.
Those are the things you hear women say when they've been hurt.
So I think it affects women a little deeper than it does men.
And I think in reverse, it makes women less attractive to men and makes them less willing to get in relationships.
Whereas men, it preps them more for the reality and the brutality that comes with dealing with women that they were unaware of prior to that.
That's my opinion.
Yeah, I don't often hear men saying, oh, there just wasn't the chemistry or there wasn't the vibe, the click.
She's not funny.
I need a funny girl.
Like, guys aren't really saying that.
I think when women say there's no chemistry, there's no vibe, there's no lightning, there's no butterflies, there's no whatever it is, he's boring.
Translation, he doesn't trigger my anxious trauma response, which I confuse with the love.
Also, like when it comes to men being funny, your demands that men be funny, or that men be entertaining or whatever, like we should not be boring.
We're not here to be your entertainment.
If you want entertainment, go get Netflix.
But that's not our job, I think, in the relationship.
So let me get through my notes here.
Hold on.
We have.
I want to go.
What's everybody?
Type?
Nah, we don't have to do everyone's type.
I want to do that.
Jordan, you said you haven't exactly, or you haven't exactly dated since 2019.
Yeah, I haven't dated anyone since 2019.
You said modern dating culture is a disaster.
Yeah.
I mean, it's all the online dating apps, everything like that.
I feel like, like I said before, people are disposable now.
Everyone swipes on everyone.
We're doing a first appearance.
Like, they see you for two seconds and they swipe on you.
Think it's really strange.
I know not everybody is on the dating apps or anything like that, but it's just my opinion on dating now is it kind of stems from feminists.
I feel like they've ruined the dating culture.
They've really ruined men in general.
They're confusing men.
So I think men take out women and they don't really know what to expect.
Women get all weird about I can get my door myself, and but you also need to pay the bill.
And it's just really strange.
I think women are just confusing men.
So they're turning men feminized.
Wait, have you?
So you said you haven't dated since 2019.
So you've been like, have you been celibate?
Yes.
Since 2019?
Yes.
2019, 2014?
Four.
Four years.
Five years?
Almost five.
Four or five.
Wow.
Okay.
Honestly, I don't think it's women ruining men.
I really do agree that people are becoming disposable, but I don't think it's women to blame.
I think it's the extended use of technology in media that contrasts to these dating apps.
People's false perception that they have many options and that there are way more attractive people than they are.
But also perception of themselves.
Sure, yeah.
The false perception of themselves, just the false perception all around, and just that false belief that you could get someone else easily because you're seeing so many people.
You can interact with so many people, but that person you might interact with when you stop the connection with the other one might not have a lot of the qualities that the other person did, but you have this false perception of them.
But see, that's what's weird to me is now people are juggling all of these guys and vice versa.
And to me, that's weird.
I don't even understand how you can find that many people to juggle all at once.
Like these people who will find rebounds like almost instantly has always been very confusing to me.
So for me, dating, I mean, it was kind of like what we talked about earlier.
I mean, once you go out on the second date to me, I mean, that kind of means you don't really talk to anyone else because you're, I mean, even considering going out again with someone, it's like, to me, I take it a little more seriously because I'm like, I'm intrigued by this person now.
So therefore, all the other people on the sidelines are kind of, they're not as intriguing.
So like, why would I waste my time?
But the fact that people are juggling so many different, the whole, I don't know, there's so many of the situationships now, and I don't even understand how any of that works.
It just is very confusing to me.
But I agree technology is definitely playing a role in what's happening in the dating world.
But I think feminists in general are the ones who are really ruining it.
What specific actions would you say that feminists do that ruin dating?
Wait, before you answer that, and we will have her answer that, I do want to go around the table on this.
Do you consider yourself a feminist?
No.
Non-applicable.
What do you mean?
I'm just neither, man.
I just want equality for everyone, if that makes sense.
Like, even the guys.
Oh, in your notes here, you said you were a feminist.
Oh, I did.
And you're a political feminist.
Cool, I guess I'm that.
Are you?
That's just the question.
I mean, like I said, like, I don't know if it falls in line with feminist belief or with traditionalist belief, but I think that, like, I've been saying this whole time, everyone should work towards their goal equally.
And a relationship should be a partnership where both parties are equal and they both do help each other grow.
Okay.
Right?
Sure.
So, yeah.
I think.
Okay.
I'm not like a hardcore Nazi kind of feminist, but yeah, I would say I'm a feminist.
Okay.
No.
No, not from what it has become.
Yeah, me too.
Same.
You okay?
Obviously.
Yeah, I think I need some water.
Sorry, your question for her was?
What specific actions do you feel as though feminists are doing that ruin modern dating or contribute to the dating apps?
Because it seemed like you were connecting feminists to dating apps.
Well, I think dating apps, it's a contributing factor when I'm saying feminists in general.
It's just that culture.
So it's the, you know, toxic masculinity.
Women are very, I feel like they're trying to break men down.
They want equality for everyone.
So long, I feel like is there on top of the pyramid.
Like I said before, they're confusing men.
So men are supposed to be the ones who go out and they approach you and they set up the date and, you know, the pressure is on for the men.
And I feel like now women are kind of dominating that and men don't really know what to do because women are just like the whole boss bitch culture and I'm independent and I don't need you and I can do whatever I want.
It's it's just, I think it's confusing the entire culture.
We need the gender roles back, basically.
That's what I'm saying.
I think we do too, but I feel as though both men and women play a role in that in their own way.
Yeah.
I think gender role.
I think the gender roles were just kind of crap, only because, like, let's say, like, you were a good wife, right?
Let's say you did everything, everything was perfect, you have like three kids, right?
He leaves, you don't have a job, you have nothing.
How are you going to support yourself and your kids?
Are you going to leech off him and then just get child support or get older?
Like, you're going to live on child support?
Yes, that's what women do through the brutal alimony system.
Feed off of this man who decided to leave?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
How is that normal when you are maintaining your own son, your own blood?
Yeah.
Versus nowadays, we can have our own job grow with our partner.
And then even if our partner does decide to leave, we can still raise the kids ourselves.
I'm pretty sure it's mainly women who initiate majority of the divorces.
Yeah, women typically are ending relationships.
Women typically end relationships, and they typically are the ones initiating divorce.
It's like 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
So it's funny to me because women constantly drone on and on.
Men aren't willing to commit.
Men are commitment phobic.
Well, as I'm saying, when you do get relationships, when women do get relationships, when they do get commitment, when they do get the ring, when they do get a marriage, they overwhelmingly end them.
It's not clear to me if women actually want commitment.
Because till death do us apart has to mean something, and frankly, it doesn't.
Well, even though it can sometimes be a woman, it's not always women, right?
The majority of the time.
Majority of the time, but it's not always.
Is it always?
It don't have to be.
Majority sets the precedent for his point.
Okay, but my point also is too.
So then if a woman leaves, right, and that's her choice, that man can still support himself.
That man can still continue to live, correct?
my point is if we had societal roles back and the man decided to leave then that would put a lot of women in jeopardy of not being able to get a job not being able to support their family because even child support isn't enough 100 of the time and we all know this especially depending on what state you're in but that's because we're looking at marriage different now Now we're looking at marriage as an inevitable divorce.
That's what we're looking at.
So when gender roles back in the day, divorce was not common at all.
So there was never the threat or danger of that happening.
Because they knew that if they left, they'd be fucked.
They'd be fucked.
Yeah, they'd be fucked.
They'd have to pay to support a woman and her child.
No, what incentive does a man have to leave a woman that he gets down on one knee and asks to be his wife and spend the rest of his life with?
There's a lot.
It depends on that man.
No, no.
I've seen it happen multiple times.
No.
In your opinion, what would provoke a man to leave a woman that he proposed to and wanted to be his wife?
In my opinion, there's a lot of things.
There could be something new.
Maybe they went to go use drugs.
Maybe they found another partner.
Maybe they got cold feet and changed their mind.
Maybe they all of a sudden decided, hey, you know what?
This was too fast for me.
I don't want to be a dad.
It happens all the time.
Men typically don't leave relationships.
They just don't.
They typically don't.
So do you have like the actual statistic on like the percentage ratio of men to women that leave?
Like the actual statistic percentage from 2023?
If 70 to 80 percent of women initiate divorce, that means what?
That still means that 30 percent of men.
That's still 30 percent of men.
When you think of how many people are on the planet, it doesn't matter what percentages.
Those little percentages that you can think of are still billions of people compared to everyone in the world.
Like if you're looking at the stats, is it a global statistic or is it a statistic from the U.S.?
No, that's the stat from the U.S.
But you assuming it's just men.
Actually, the other percentage would be mutual.
The 80% is mutual?
No, no.
80%.
The 80% is women.
The rest is mutual.
20%.
They agree.
Most the man and the woman agree to leave the relationship or in the marriage.
So you're saying that 0% of the time a man will decide to not?
Because that's what you just said.
Not 0%, but an overwhelming majority of the time it's the woman leaving.
So your point doesn't hold much weight.
You're saying majority of the time, but my point is that it still happens.
Of course, it happens every now and then.
It's rare, though.
And is it not harder?
But how does that support your point?
That supports my point.
Because if we go back to being traditionalists, like, how are we going to support ourselves?
Like I said, because you're thinking about it on the wrong wavelength completely.
I do.
So you'd rather just like listen to the whim and do whatever someone tells you to do, like your property.
I know you said before it's a partnership.
A marriage is a partnership.
Yeah, but how are you working as a partnership when you're not both working?
So it's going to take longer for you to save up because you have one person financially bringing in money and majority of that money is going to the child.
It's going to the mortgage.
It's going to the car.
It's going to you.
Where's the savings?
Where's the investments?
You see what I'm saying?
It's better if both.
No, I don't think we're going to.
Wait, wait, I'm sorry.
I do have to move on because we're running low on time.
I finally want to get to Ella here.
She's been waiting very patiently.
We got multiple videos of hers to react to.
So, Nick, pull up the articles first.
Ella recently went viral.
She's got some hot takes here.
Nick, if you can pull it up.
I never, this is, is this the first article in the list?
Yes.
So this is from which publication, Nick, is this?
This was in April.
Scroll up.
This is the Independent.
Wait, no, no, no, no.
I never split.
Scroll up a little bit.
I never split the bill.
People call me a gold digger, but they've just got low standards.
Scroll down just a tad.
Scroll just so I could read some of the article.
Actually, next, we'll just look at the other ones.
This is from the Daily Mail.
Can you exile that thing in the top left corner or whatever?
Woman, 24, who refuses to split the bill on any date, slams critics who say she's a money-hungry gold digger, insisting men should reward the time and effort she puts in so she can look her best for them.
Can you scroll up just a tad?
Oh, there's nothing up there.
Never mind.
Next is just the same article.
Scroll up.
Or make it bigger a little bit.
This is from The Express.
I'm a proud gold digger.
I get what I want, and women should love it.
Sensational.
Yeah, sometimes with these publications, they definitely like to put next one.
There was a video that the screenshot is.
Mirror from the mirror.
I never split bill on dates.
Some say I'm a gold digger, but it's a man's job.
And then finally, the New York Post.
I never split the bill on dates.
Women can learn from gold diggers.
Scroll up, or make it bigger, I mean.
Yeah.
Oh, a little too big, a little too big.
Wait, too small now?
God damn, the New York Post, the fucking ads.
Scroll up.
No.
Up.
I'll just read the first few paragraphs.
A New York-based influencer doesn't care that she's been branded a gold digger because she believes that men should always foot the bill when it comes to dating.
As a matter of dignity, influencer Ella Freeman.
Freeman.
Freyman, 24, said that she would never go Dutch on a date, believing any man who would suggest such an arrangement isn't serious about his role in the potential relationship.
By splitting the bill, I'm agreeing to form a connection with a man who doesn't know his role in the relationship and expects me to be 50-50 of the man he's not.
I've learned that men who split the bill don't value the time and effort a woman puts into herself to look her best for that man.
Plus, 50-50 men don't understand that the woman's investment was made prior to the date.
Self-confident Singleton continued.
Wait, scroll up.
I don't want to see that shit about the fucking war.
A little less so I can continue.
The self-confident Singleton continued by not agreeing to split the bill.
The woman keeps her dignity intact and avoids bad experiences with men.
So first off, do you feel like the characterizations of some of those titles in those articles, do you think they were fair?
Do you think they were kind of putting words in your mouth?
What are your thoughts on those?
And then we'll react to some of your videos.
I don't think they're fair, but I know why they would, you know, write it like that.
It's sensationalist.
It grabs people's attention.
And society hates gold diggers.
And I think, I don't think there's such a thing as a gold digger.
I think women are naturally materialistic.
We're inclined to seek for partners that are, you know, successful, can provide, can protect.
And mislabeling, labeling, that's how you say?
Mislabeling?
Like labeling wrong.
Well, let's react to some of your TikToks here.
So Nick.
It's wrong.
It's just trying to humble women for something that it's ingrained in our DNA.
Yeah.
My first viral video.
All right.
Go ahead.
You can play it.
If you haven't been called a gold digger at least three times in your life, then your standards are too low.
How many times have you been called a gold digger?
Countless, countless times.
Countless times.
After that video, yeah.
How many times have you been a gold digger?
I've never been a gold digger.
I haven't been a gold digger.
I feel I have feelings.
Because I feel like a gold digger, you know, doesn't care about anyone's feelings, doesn't care about consequences.
And it's only in it for the money.
I could never do that for the next video.
I can't.
So we don't even need.
Well, we can play it.
Go ahead.
If you're not getting spoiled by men in your hometown, come to Miami where millionaires pay your bills just because you're pretty.
Is that your experience?
No, it's not.
What do you mean?
You said it in your talk.
I said it.
Excuse me.
I don't know.
Everyone knows that in Miami it's for the girls.
Like, you get, you know, stuff for free all the time.
Like, you can go with zero in your bank and still have fun.
Kind of sounds like life on easy mode.
Oh, well, like, you know, we live in a patriarchal society and like the little ways that we can benefit from it.
Like, we're patriarchy, okay.
Kind of sounds like female privilege a little bit.
I mean, we're already oppressed.
So, like, living in like trying to dismantle patriarchy and you know, all of that stuff, like, great.
I'm not going to be able to do that.
Wait, you want to dismantle people?
No, no, no.
Like, I admire people that do that.
Wait, you admire women that want to dismantle.
Women that want to dismantle.
Dismantle patriarchy.
Of course, yeah.
But I just, I'm just not going to participate.
Make it make sense.
But you want the patriarchy to be dismantled?
Like, we already live in the patriarchal society.
I don't think so.
I think we live in a gynocentric.
I just don't want to live my life where I constantly have to fight against it if I can benefit from it.
You know what I'm saying?
Fighting for a bit of a fight.
Like, don't get mad, get paid, kind of thing.
So you said you're oppressed?
Like, women are oppressed in a patriarchal society.
No?
So you're oppressed right now?
I don't feel oppressed because I enjoy rights, you know, the same rights that men, you know, so which women are oppressed.
What do you say?
Which women are oppressed if you're not.
In other countries, a lot of women are.
We're talking about here.
Yeah, we're talking about the U.S. because she asserts that there's a patriarchy in the United States, ergo.
If the patriarchy is oppressive, I assume it's oppressing women.
So, well, going around the table, do you believe there's a patriarchy?
I think so.
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
I don't know.
Yes.
I don't know what patriarchy means.
That's fine.
I don't know.
No comment.
What do you mean, no comment?
I don't know.
Do you just are you familiar with the term the patriarchy?
Yes, I am.
But you don't know if there is a patriarchy.
Or you just don't want to say it, I guess.
I don't know.
They said, I don't know, and I agree.
Why aren't you picking on that?
Well, you said no comment initially.
I would prefer not to talk about.
Okay.
No.
I'm just going to assume your position then, and I'm going to assume that you believe there's a patriarchy if you choose to not comment on it.
That's just, I'm just going to assume your position.
The way I see it.
This isn't even that controversial of a.
Like, this is mainstream, like, shit you hear in colleges.
Are you, like, you're not going to get canceled.
See, I personally haven't experienced the patriarchy, but I believe maybe it exists in some parts of the country or some people have experienced it, but I'm not one to say that it does exist and is tangible.
But from my own life experience, that's not a thing.
I think that still women and men play different roles.
So I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Yeah, we have it easier, and men are able to take on challenges easier, I think so, especially when it comes to making money.
I don't know.
That's what I think.
You're on a dating podcast.
Like, it's okay to have an opinion.
Yeah, that's what I think.
No, I'm not talking to you.
I'm talking to you.
Oh, I know.
So you're just going to no comment the conversation?
I'm assuming you have some position on this.
Yeah, I do.
Why did you want to come tonight if you're not going to engage in the conversation?
Have I not been?
Not really.
Well, I apologize.
Well, this is me trying to reel you into the conversation and just saying no comment.
Like, okay, whatever.
I'm not going to waste any more time on this.
I'm just going to move on.
So, okay.
Under the patriarchy, those of you who believe in the patriarchy, do you think women are oppressed?
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong.
Patriarchy is a society where it's predominantly governed by men, correct or not?
Or how would you define a patriarchal society?
I mean, there's a whole bunch of different, I mean, I've heard various different definitions of it, but typically, probably the more generous definition of it would be a society where leadership positions, top positions in corporations, those who occupy positions of power, those in government are men, typically.
Okay.
I've heard it's a society built by men for men.
I've heard that.
I've heard a couple other definitions of it.
I mean, you use that.
We live in a patriarchy because most of the presidents and governors happen to be men.
Does that not?
Okay.
Why do you think that is?
I don't know.
Could one of the reasons be because it sounds like you don't want to be 50-50 in a relationship, right?
How many women are like you?
Not a lot nowadays.
I feel more the modern woman.
I would say there's a lot of women who want to be stay-at-home and don't want to do 50-50 and want to make a lot of money.
They do want to go 50-50.
Huh?
I've seen that woman going trying to want to.
Well, here's a simpler question.
Maybe some women don't want to go 50-50, but what proportion of women would prefer a guy to pay on the first date and be a provider?
Okay, not you.
We know you, but.
I don't know the statistics about it.
They have.
Oops.
Why do you think it is that men, do you think men are in these higher positions of power and high-earning positions because of like some system set up by other men to uphold other men?
I think men are naturally very good at being leaders and command and they're very organized.
So then why would you want to dismantle the patriarchy that you believe exists if you think men are better leaders than women?
But also we cannot deny that years ago, like in history, women have been denied the same rights that men have been enjoying since the beginning of humanity.
Butler donated $200.
If the girl in white is too tired to contribute, allow me to wake her up.
Open your mouth one.
Let me throw a ball into that catches which you call a mouth.
It might even cure your herpes.
Jesus Christ.
Calm down, brother.
Holy shit.
I'm sorry, I'm tired.
This guy is on fire.
Okay.
Well, okay.
you want a guy to be a provider correct you don't want you want to when you get married how much of the household income do you want to be contributing Zero percent.
Like money-wise?
Yeah.
You want him to be the sole breadwinner, correct?
Yes.
Now, and you think you'll be able to get that, correct?
Yes.
Let me ask you a question.
How many men do you think can go out into the dating marketplace and want to provide zero financially and expect to get a partner?
He might want 50-50, he might be able to get it, but he goes into it expecting to provide zero financially.
Like a man expecting a woman to provide zero?
No, no, no.
How many men can go into the dating, the dating marketplace with the expectation for a long-term partner that his future wife will provide 100% of the financial resources?
I don't know.
Very, very few.
What are you saying?
I can name one.
Okay, yes, there's probably dudes that would be fine being stay-at-home.
I would argue, though, that the vast majority of women, as a lot of the women here answered, I want a guy who makes at least as much as me or more.
Or it's I want a guy to be the sole provider.
So, could it be the case that the reason men earn more than women, which is the wage gap's already been debunked, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that's not the case.
Could it be that the reason that there's a patriarchy and that men occupy the highest positions of power and the most desirable jobs and make the most money is because there's a mating pressure on men that does not exist in women?
If it's your standard that you want, you don't believe in 50-50, you want a guy to provide for you, then that is a very real and powerful mating pressure that exists on men that does not exist in women.
I would argue one of our greatest motivations in life for both men and women is to find a partner.
And if it's women's standard that I want a guy to make as much as me or more, or more importantly, if there's women out there, a large cohort of women that want a guy to be a sole provider, sole breadwinner, doesn't it stand to reason that that creates a pressure on men that does not exist in women, that men need to go out and make money?
And could it be the case that the more motivated you are to do something, the more likelihood you are to achieve that?
The better you are.
So if there is a patriarchy, women created it.
Women really created it.
If there's a patriarchy, women created it.
Because women, because you just said, you want a guy that pays all the bills.
You want a guy who does X, Y, Z.
That man, that's attractive to you.
So that man, men in America are innovative.
They figure shit out.
They start businesses.
They get ideas.
They form alliances with other men who share those same values, same ideas, who are also innovators, entrepreneurs.
So they become the top.
They become the top and they're what you want.
So if women didn't desire that, they wouldn't have become that.
Also, I agree with that.
Men, we don't have a fallback of marrying someone richer if we're not earning enough.
Like pursuing a high-paying career is a basic necessity for men.
Like we have to.
We can't fall back on potentially finding a woman who's prepared to be the sole breadwinner in a relationship.
We don't have that as a fallback.
And we do know if we want to get an attractive girl, if we want to get a 10 over here, a high-value woman, we have to be the sole breadwinner and providing all these ways.
So maybe there would be less of a patriarchy if women were like, I'm cool with 50-50, or I'm even cool with fully providing for a man, but y'all aren't.
So I can't, I can't.
I'm not against patriarchy.
I'm against men abusing, abusing.
You literally said you're like, go women who are trying to dismantle Christianity and Christianity is based on men being leaders.
The man is always a pastor, you know, like men in positions of leadership.
Do you not want a man to be a leader, though?
I do.
Like, I'm comfortable with that.
What I'm not comfortable with is men abusing the power and using it against them.
Men should not abuse their supposed power.
They do.
Sure, so do women.
But why do you think that happens, though?
Like, not from a moral perspective, but if a man is paying all the bills.
Okay.
And he comes to you, he dates you, you date him.
Don't you think he wants you to do everything he wants you to do?
Be everything he wants to do.
I understand he will request submission from me, and I'm willing to give it because I'm naturally submissive to the right man, to a masculine man.
I just wanted to add that the only reason why there's not a lot of women in office and in these higher power roles is because a lot of the time women don't want to be in a higher like power role.
Like they don't really necessarily always want to be in office.
They want to be taken care of.
They want to stay home.
They want to have a soul provider.
So by saying that there is a patriarchy, it just doesn't make sense given the fact that who's actually like, raise your hand if you're actually thinking about like going to Congress, like doing something in the field of like a high power role, like a judge or like deputy chief, something like that.
President.
No?
Exactly.
Oh, another mating pressure, aside from just the financial component, women are attracted to status.
I was just about to say that.
Women are attracted to status in men, whereas that's not really an attraction trigger.
Like, you can take a really high-status woman, but if you put like a more physically attractive girl right next to her, like the dude's probably going to want the really attractive girl.
But beautiful, beauty, a beautiful woman is a status simultaneous.
No, that's true.
That's true.
But we're talking, I'm talking status like in your career.
Okay.
Like, yeah, it's not on their top priorities for men.
Like, a guy can be butt-ugly, but if he's like really fucking high status, like, I'm sure you guys can think of like rappers that probably have like an endless supply of women.
They're not particularly physically attractive, but they have status.
And so men will pursue status.
And one of the ways they can do that is by having a really high, like a very respectable or high-status career.
So that's another mating pressure.
I'm an expert in something.
As I said, expertise is sexy to women.
So it don't even have to be.
I mean, in today's schools, skills.
Skills.
In today's age, especially in the West, it can be different domains of expertise that are attractive to women who value those domains.
It don't necessarily have to be college or politics, but at the end of the day, women value status.
They value expertise.
They value skills.
Oh, sorry, did you have more?
Sorry, I didn't mean to because you offered.
No, you good.
Nick, can you pull up that same video really quick?
So I just want to get the other girls' input on this.
The last one that we looked at?
Yeah.
I just need the text.
I don't.
I don't know.
It wasn't a pull-up, but actually.
If you're not getting spoiled by men in your hometown, come to Miami where pay your bills just because you're pretty.
Come on, some dudes paid your bills just because you're pretty, right?
They have.
They have.
I'm curious.
Like, can you tell us the deets?
We need the details, Ella.
We need the details.
So, like, can you tell us, walk us through?
You're 24.
Can you list some of like maybe, have you gotten gifts, vacations, expensive dates?
Have you had your bills paid by a dude?
Yeah.
Like a random dude?
No, not at rental.
Mostly in relationships.
Okay, I see.
What's some examples of that?
My past boyfriend, he paid for my rent and bills.
Oh, your car.
I mean, it's still a little simpy, but it's not simpy.
And you still broke up with him?
She let that be a lesson, fellas.
Let that be a lesson.
Can do all this.
They say they want all this shit done.
I'm sure she has a reason why she broke up with him.
Yeah, of course.
But doesn't, she probably broke up with him because he probably didn't meet her standards or she probably didn't feel respected in some way.
Maybe if you feel comfortable, you could tell us why, but I'm sure she didn't.
And she was saying that.
That's funny.
Have you other girls had that experience where guys will just pull it up again?
Pay your bills, rent?
Oh, wait, hold on.
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Women abuse Thea Power far more often.
They divorce when bored and use kids against loving fathers.
Women do not have the motivation or determination to do the jobs men do, then complain about it.
Wow, well, I disagree.
I feel for a woman, okay.
Naturally, women prioritize what?
Like family, their babies, right?
For a woman to break that, you know, that marriage and having their kids, you know, without a father and having her own children go through that trauma, it takes a lot for a woman.
It takes a lot for a woman to break in marriages.
And I hate that you guys make it seem that all women are just bored and we just end up in relationships because of whatever.
And it's not like that.
Like for a woman to break that marriage and sacrifice the childhood of her own children, it takes a lot.
What do you think about that?
What are the cause of divorces?
Causes of divorces?
What do you think the number one cause of divorce is?
I would say it's cheating.
No, it's not.
It's lack of commitment.
Lack of commitment.
It's lack of commitment.
And when you ask it's lack of commitment, period.
Like the lack of commitment to the relationship, meaning they don't want to do the work.
They don't want to put in the work that comes in the marriage.
When you ask them, actually break the statement down.
The number one statement is, we've grown apart.
Now, does that sound like that has anything to do with duty?
Or does that sound like that's on the basis of her emotions, her expectations, her perceptions of the relationship?
How the marriage makes her feel.
And then when you break that down more, what's going on in that relationship?
What do you think that stems from?
Having unrealistic expectations going into the marriage to begin with.
It's emotion.
I don't know the real causes of like, you know, divorces, but let's just move.
I do have to move on.
Yeah.
It takes a lot from a woman.
Like a woman will try and try and try to repair the relationship until she's worn out and she's abused and she feels like she can't take it anymore.
What's here?
Going around the table on this.
What's like the most simp thing guys done for you?
I don't believe in simps.
Like it doesn't exist.
It's generous marriage.
What's the most expensive thing a guy has early on has done for you?
I would say a car.
A what?
A car.
A car.
How?
Wait, question.
How early on did the guy buy you the car?
No, no.
We were like in a year relationship.
But like he didn't pay for the whole car.
Like he just helped me a little bit too with this.
Life on Easy Mood.
Okay.
My boyfriend actually helped me get my car out of the impound lot.
Okay.
My tattoos.
I think just like diamond earrings.
If I can think off the top of my head.
Okay.
Like jewelry too and like dinners, obviously.
And this one man asked to fly me out, but I said no because like I don't know him.
And that's.
Did he find you from the podcast?
No.
Okay.
No.
I don't really have any examples except for tips at work.
Like generous tips at work.
Anything for you?
I mean, on dinner.
Okay.
Have any of you had a sugar daddy?
Show of hands?
Sugar daddy?
Anybody?
Sugar daddy?
What are you looking at?
Have you had a sugar daddy?
Anybody here?
No.
I don't know.
She's a sugar daddy.
Okay.
I've been a sugar mama.
Oh, there you go.
Here, let's do the next video.
I'm afraid.
accident if you think not caring about the man's fine men's finances makes you more attractive sorry to tell you wait Wait, can you play it?
It's just me posing.
Oh, that's fine.
If you think not caring about a man's finances makes you more attractive, sorry to tell you, but men make fun of you behind your back.
Because you know what?
I think men value women with standards.
Men value women.
Like you said, you don't like women that date multiple men.
And what is that?
An exclusive woman, right?
A woman that keeps herself, that it's, you know, that it's now, you know, dating and having intimacy with a lot of men, right?
So you value exclusivity in a woman.
Sure.
Okay.
So women with standards are exclusive.
Like we don't be just dating whoever.
Like we have a list of standards and boundaries and we choose the type of men we want to date based on that.
So from the start, we're caught in a lot of men, right?
And so actually not caring about men's finances is not caring about yourself.
It's not caring about your future children.
We should have offered you a seat booster, by the way.
Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry.
I'm just like.
What?
Nothing, nothing, nothing.
Because ultimately, the lifestyle of the partner that you choose is going to become your lifestyle.
Because at some point, you're going to have to, you know, like not work.
Can I have you tilt your microphone down just a teeny bit?
You're going to have to sacrifice.
So you're saying like men would make fun of a woman if she wanted to do 50-50?
I've seen men making fun of women.
I've seen men not respecting women, not valuing women like that.
I mean, pygmies.
Are you aware of the term pygmies?
I think you guys know what a pygmy.
I'm going to get to this term pickman.
Like a pickme?
A pygmy.
Yeah.
Oh, I love that pygmy shape.
Yeah.
I'm going to use that.
I don't think men make fun of women who want to go 50-50.
Not necessarily make fun of them, but will not value them and will not respect them.
I disagree.
It will walk all over that woman, for sure.
Because it's essentially a woman that doesn't respect herself and doesn't have standards.
So a woman that doesn't respect herself won't pay?
I've never been walked over and I do pay 50-50.
that makes your well I also never had experiences you guys had But what does that go to show with the men that you're choosing then?
That I like to save myself and I have a rigorous list of standards that I go by and I prioritize myself, my well-being, and therefore my standards prevent me from bad experiences.
Is your standards just them having money?
No.
I think this idea, though, like there could be a guy who's perfectly willing to be the sole breadwinner.
I don't think that same guy, though, would necessarily object to a woman also having a job that brings in income to the household.
So I don't think that they would, even if a guy is inclined to be the sole breadwinner, I don't think he would necessarily turn down a girl who is open to 50-50.
Now, obviously, if he really wants a stay-at-home wife that's going to really take care of the children, that could perhaps be a component there.
But I mean, I don't think men make fun of these women, but we're not, we can't linger too long on that next video.
It doesn't need to play.
When he believes in two income households, but I believe in multiple vacations a year, Van Cleef, bracelets, and all of my bills paid.
Okay.
I've just been silly, of course.
Wait, have you gotten that treatment, by the way?
Bank leaves, yeah.
Multiple vacations a year.
Yeah.
All of your bills paid.
Yeah.
Okay.
Still sound.
That sounds like life on easy mode a little bit.
I think that's like a profession.
Sounds like pretty privileged to me.
Oh, it's not.
The patriarchy.
I've seen women far attractive, like non-conventionally attractive, and get pretty, like, oh, I have a question for you on this.
How early into a relationship do you think a man should start doing that stuff?
Like, because you say, pay all of the bills, like vacations, gifts, you know, this Van Cleef bracelet.
I'm not familiar with the brand.
How early do you think a guy should start doing that?
Whenever he chooses, whenever he wants to get serious with a girl.
Well, when would you expect it?
Like, do you expect it like, okay, you should start paying all my bills, like second date, third date?
Well, you know what?
I kind of understand that I have like crazy expectations, but it's because I have experienced them in the first place.
And I don't think you will have to blame me.
You will have to blame the men that are giving me that type of treatment.
But it's just, it's based on the person.
It's, you know, like, it's based on the person.
Oh, I mean, I don't doubt that.
I'm not expecting anything, actually.
Like, they're just giving.
They're just giving it.
I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Well, hold on.
Let's see the next.
Remember, ladies, you're put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury.
Don't let a broke man convince you otherwise.
Well, hold on.
I thought you don't have any expectations, but if Nick, pull it back up really quick.
You're put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury, ladies.
And you expect them to pay for everything?
That's literally an expectation.
Wait, I have a question for you.
Are all ladies put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury?
If they choose to, yes.
What do you mean if they choose to?
If they choose to be, you know, a kept woman and they want to live a soft life, they can go ahead and find a partner.
Not a woman wants that, and I'm aware with that.
You said all ladies, remember, ladies, you're put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury.
Yeah.
Well, she's speaking to her audience, you know.
You don't have to take it so literally.
Well, I mean, I'm a man and I tend to take things at face value.
When people use words, I tend to take their word for it.
But do you think all of them?
And also remember that men out there, some men out there, are willing to give that to women and work and pursue careers so they can attract a woman, you know, more traditional woman, like you said.
And they want to give that lifestyle to that woman.
So if a woman, it's, you know, she wants that for her life.
She wants that to be her lifestyle, then why is her what is it wrong for her to want that and to attract that and actually succeeding in achieving that?
But you said luxury.
So when I think of luxury, I think of like luxury comes in many forms.
Like it doesn't have to be expensive.
You know, luxury can be a spider.
Hold on, let me just Google the definition of luxury here.
The state of great comfort and extravagant living and innocent luxuries or luxury, an inessential desirable item which is expensive or difficult to obtain.
So okay, so my question is, but do all women deserve luxury deserve probably not.
Pull up the thing again.
Pull it up.
I gotta go with the facts of the last one.
Yeah, don't switch until I tell you to switch.
You're put on this earth to live in comfort and luxury.
Remember, ladies, I assume you're talking for the women that want that.
Okay.
It's about them.
Doesn't everybody want luxury?
I feel like so many women have been brainwashed by men.
To what?
To not like not having high expectations.
And I think to a certain extent, I think having high standards and high expectations are healthy to some extent.
Why?
Because those create powerful leader men.
Okay.
Like you said before, if women didn't have such high expectations, you would be lazy and do nothing all day, every day.
No, since we have these standards, we're like, okay, I have to meet those and I have to work hard and I have to, you know, achieve things for, you know, to attract that kind of woman.
So to some extent, I think it's healthy.
You said, you said luxury and comfort.
I wouldn't say those are high expectations.
Definitely.
I would say it's unreasonable and unrealistic.
And the reason I would say that is because a man has to attain a certain level of status and income to provide that for a woman.
And the economy is competition.
So every man can't do that.
There's only going to be a small percentage of men who can who can attain that level of provision for a woman.
And the fact that there can only be a certain level of men who attain that level of provision means there can only be a certain amount of women.
But I feel every man should strive to achieve that.
To be a competitor, like, you know, in the dating market.
Because if y'all are just making excuses and pretending that all women should settle down to mediocre standards, I don't think that's solving anything.
Even if we do strive to be that, most men aren't going to become that.
Which means most women aren't going to get that comfort and luxury.
I don't know what to tell you.
Well, she desires comfort and luxury, and it seems like she's gotten that.
And I'm sure she has her valid reasons for leaving.
I'm not talking about her specifically.
I'm talking about her saying, remember, ladies.
Telling other women.
Yeah, telling other women.
I'm saying that creates unrealistic expectations.
And that creates entitlement.
No, Because I also teach women: hey, if you want to attract this kind of person, you have to, you know, appeal to them.
Grid one motorsports donated $200.
If toxic daddy assues had a face, this girl's would be it.
You deserve nothing, you earn everything, and it sounds like you intend to earn it on your back.
Bro, blame my dad.
It just really seems like you don't have standards and you just more so expect to be pampered.
And then if you aren't pampered, you're just kind of like, screw you, I'm going to leave.
So you're literally given everything your entire life.
And that's what I'm saying.
But you're saying that I don't have standards.
Yeah, because you're going for the one who has the most money.
I don't know why.
Not necessarily.
I don't know what the context of your relationship was, but I feel like if you had standards like her, I feel like what happened to you wouldn't have happened like respectfully.
And I think that you guys don't seem like you have your standards, and that's why your old man stole your money.
In her case, her man wouldn't have stolen her money that she worked for.
He stole my money because I was disabled and in a wheelchair when we were married.
For drugs, too.
What does that have to do with that?
We're talking about standards.
Because I wasn't able to talk about how you were.
Okay, but you're saying if I had standards, that it wouldn't have to happen.
Maybe you would have seen some red flags.
And maybe you would have analyzed why he left you without saying anything and you wouldn't have ever been with a man that would disrespect you like that because you would respect yourself and have standards.
And honestly, I feel like women's status is actually measured by being able to say no and hold those standards.
Yes.
And I think that actually men find that very attractive, a woman's ability to say no.
I think you hold making yourself look like a joke.
Okay, you want to explain why?
Because you're just sounding fucking stupid.
You're talking about shit you don't want to be.
Okay, stop very stupid and stop saying I'm making myself look like a joke and back it up with facts right now.
Well, because I think you're just mad at me.
I actually do have some facts about her, so you don't even know how the relationship was in the first place.
And honestly, in my opinion, I thought her fiancé was better than a lot of other men that I've met in this day and age.
He was always very good at communicating.
He actually genuinely showed no red flags, nothing at all.
He was very honest.
He would help all the time.
Like, he was basically everything that you guys are explaining that you want in a man, and you're bashing on something when, in all reality, what you guys just said that you would expect in a man is the one who actually just up and dipped.
And then real quick, didn't you say you respected yourself but then had one night stance?
Yeah, that was me when I was an 18-year-old.
not respecting yourself that was me when i was an 18 year old girl and people being a garden tool girl Yeah, sweetheart, when I was a freshman in college.
That's even worse.
Yeah, you don't have to be so negative.
I'm just saying you can learn from this.
And we're on here kind of to learn from each other.
And I've learned so much.
So why don't you learn from her?
I'm saying maybe if you actually listen to her and how she holds standards, your ex-boyfriend or husband, whatever the fuck he was, wouldn't have stolen your money.
And you wouldn't have been left with no explanation.
So his drug addiction was like a terman.
Okay, sorry.
So you're telling me, so if you start off a relationship with someone where they're completely normal, right?
And then they flip a switch, that's my fault.
Because they decided to dabble in drugs and they decided to steal my money.
So that's my fault.
I'm really doubting.
Like, what?
If I stayed, that would have been my fault.
I left.
Respectfully, I really doubt that they were normal.
I think that red flags were probably missed and that you were probably blinded by love, like both of you.
But like, I could be wrong.
Sometimes people can flip a switch, but I just don't want to.
So you think if I had her standards of like having men pay everything for me, she also wants them to have like a great personality and like nurture her and bring out her submissive standard.
Oh, but if I pay for something, then I have low standards.
Okay, but what is she offering the man?
Why is the man going to want people have their own preferences to pay?
Why is the man going to want to do all this for her?
What is Bring brought to a table that is going to basically like make this man want to support you?
Want you to be the mother of your children?
Like, so what's your guys' envision then of standards?
I think we've been talking about it all along.
Do you want to address her?
What did you call her?
I think you called her.
Did you say call her stupid?
Yeah, you called her a joke.
Oh, you're stupid.
That's kind of rude, don't you think?
I mean, do you have a response to that?
Yeah, I do.
Respectfully, do you look at yourself in the mirror every day and think about it?
Do you look at yourself in the mirror every day and listen to what you fucking say?
Yeah, like literally, dude, this entire podcast, you've been sounding like a joke.
Oh, no.
That's so cute.
Thank you.
Anyways, do you want to explain why I was stupid?
Wait, we forgot.
She called herself a 10 earlier on.
Oh, yeah!
The 10.
You already addressed that.
Thank you.
Maybe I'm like a different number.
Like I learned from that.
And I don't know why.
Thank you, but okay.
Anyways, why can't you take the constructive criticism?
Because you're speaking about things you have no idea about.
I think I have a great idea, honestly.
Do you?
Yeah.
Okay.
Miss Garden Tool.
Yeah.
Keep calling me that.
Okay.
Yeah.
It won't get to me.
But I'm glad it gives you a little thrill and adrenaline and dopamine or whatever.
It's okay.
I'm sorry if that hurt you.
I just think that if you had standards, because we're on a podcast, what am I here for to sit and be silent?
I don't know.
Wait for Brian to talk and ask questions.
I think Brian's the whatever show.
It's not yours.
Brian's enjoying this and he actually likes it when people go on tangents.
And I think he actually appreciates this right now.
He's getting good content.
Viral clips.
To be honest, what I'm trying to say.
If you held greater standards for yourself, you probably wouldn't have been disrespected the way you were.
And sometimes women who have high standards are indeed the ones who are able to leave their connections because they hold those high standards.
And yeah, I don't know.
Thank you.
Do you have a response?
Just sounds like a joke to me.
That's a great response.
Having high standards is a joke.
Having your standards is a joke.
Well, what if you're going to have a smoke from everybody tonight?
Men and women know how to be friends.
Okay, let's do another video.
Or wait, no, sorry, I have more questions.
I have more questions.
Let me ask: what percent of men do you think can provide women with comfort and luxury?
Not a lot.
I'm aware of that.
Yeah.
But I'm also not going to settle down for mediocrity.
Word.
So, like, what do you practically propose, though?
Because, like, do swaths of women ignore the majority of men and pursue a small percent of rich men who can provide comfort and luxury?
So, like, should rich men just have like 501?
Average men can provide that.
Like, if he has a good job, yes.
Average man can provide luxury.
Well, not luxury, but I consider luxury.
Okay, but leave the luxury up here.
Here's the economic reality.
Here's the economic reality: the majority of people are going to have to have a household where both men and women are providing.
That's just, you're going to need two incomes, really.
Well, he needs to get two jobs.
To have a family.
He's got what?
He needs to get two jobs because I'm not bringing him an income.
No, look, if you can find a guy that's willing to provide, that's fine.
But just the sheer economic.
You can't get a second job.
But the sheer economic reality is that for most people, most households, in order, if you want to have kids and have a family, you're going to need two incomes.
And you know why I say that so confidently?
And because my father, okay, he migrated three different countries.
Like he was, you know, like he came from a poor background, right?
And he made it.
And I've never seen my mom having to pick up a job.
Like he always, you know, sacrifice and, you know, pick up on jobs and stuff, you know, to make ends meet.
And it worked out.
And he likes it like that.
My mom is comfortable.
And now we live in, you know, my family lives, you know, in a more, in a better position right now.
And that's how I was brought up.
Like, I've never seen my mom working.
Okay.
All right.
We got another video here.
We got another video.
He did it.
If he can't provide for you, is it going to play or no?
Is it?
If he can't provide for you, then he's not worthy of trust.
Don't trust him with your heart nor your body.
Okay.
And what do you mean by trust him with your body?
Do you mean have sex with him?
I have sex with a man that hasn't earned those privileges.
You mean, but you said, pull it back up, Nick?
If he can't provide for you, then he's not worthy of having sex with you, is basically what you're saying.
Yes.
So you only have sex with men who provide, which is a matter of money.
You are in committed relationships with me and provide for me.
Sounds like.
Prostitution with extra steps.
How is that prostitution when I'm in a committed relationship, monogamous relationship?
I'm joking a little bit, but, okay, next video.
Next video.
I don't care what a dusty has to say.
At the end of the day, they will never know what it's like wake up to what play it again?
I do worship shit in the internet.
What is like to wake up to a $500 deposit from a man just because?
Because have you had that?
Yeah.
A guy just.
it's new york like they just but is this a man you're dating or just like a dude I was talking to him and, you know, we went on a date and yeah, I mean, he's.
He just.
I woke up and he was like, hey, a little something for you.
I've been thinking about you.
Little something.
So where did you meet these guys?
I'm not on dating apps.
I used to be on dating apps.
So you find, you know, some of them there.
But I don't like dating ads at all.
So I just go out to bars.
Wait, question.
So you went on one date with this guy?
Yeah.
And he paid you.
But we've been talking.
Like, I've known him for a while.
Like, actually, I met him in college.
And then we stopped talking and then we started talking again.
So for, like, he just sent you $500 because?
Yeah.
Sounds like life on easy mode.
Like, literally, life on easy mode.
But it doesn't happen all the time.
How often is that?
It's not easy.
How often that's not that?
It would be easy if it was monthly, but it's not.
How often has it happened?
Not a lot of times.
Just maybe two, three times.
Okay.
And New York is expensive, let me tell you.
So like $500, yes, it's a substantial amount, I'm aware.
But it doesn't cover a lot in New York.
These simps are ruining dating.
Ruining dating.
Holy fuck, bruv.
Just sending a chick $500 just because.
Here you go.
Here's $500.
You have never seen Miami men.
Oh, yeah, I know.
They're tricking.
Is that the term to trick?
I thought it was it ain't tricking if you got it.
I don't get it.
Oh, you never heard that?
I've heard that term, but I'm not sure what that means.
Okay, next video.
That's it.
That's all of them?
I had better ones.
Wait, really?
Is that all of them?
The dusty one you can't provide.
Put on this earth to live in luxury, all of your bills paid.
If you think that can't make fun of it.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Wait, so I have a question, right?
So do you question for the table, I guess?
Do you think broke men should not date?
They can date.
Oh, okay.
They can date, of course.
But you're going to get your feelings hurt.
Why?
Because you don't have what it takes to compete with other men.
And then you're going to grow resentful women, which I've seen it before, you know, in men hitting on women and being really disrespectful and rude when we have standards, even like medium to high standards, like reasonable standards.
Men will go crazy and say that all women are gold diggers and we have like incredible expectations in dating.
And I think a man should have his financial status right before entering the dating market.
Because a broke man, unfortunately, is not desirable in the free dating market.
Okay.
The same way, in an unattractive woman, it's not as desirable in a dating market.
Yeah, that's fair.
That is fair.
So you're okay with poor people or broke people dating, just not you.
You don't want them to date you, is what you're saying.
Kind of, yeah.
And that's, but that's what the thing is, though, is that you're like, it sounds like you're advising or suggesting women not date.
And I also want to clarify: like, I'm not lazy.
I'm running a hair business.
I'm doing TikTok.
Like, I'm moving.
I'm doing.
You're hustling.
I'm hustling.
I came here.
That's right.
Shout out to Ella.
I made it happen.
She made it happen.
I made it happen.
She made it happen.
So, you know, like as a woman that is, you know, trying to level up in all areas of my life, like, I'm expecting the same in my partner.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I think those are it for my notes on that.
I think trying to think.
Hold on, let me just double-check here.
Oh, wait.
Well, question for you.
Well, you said it's fine for broke men to date.
So, yeah, okay.
I was going to ask if it's should overweight women not date, but but that's not your position.
You think it's fine?
I think it's fine if over women want to date.
That's totally fine.
Just not me.
Okay.
No, because you're not doing that.
I'll do the chubby Asian chick.
I'll date the chubby Asian chick.
Let me put it like this: because it also goes for women, obviously.
Like, if you want to have a good outcome when in dating.
No, I'm not talking about Asian women.
Oh, so society.
I'm talking about like maybe women who are not fit or who are, you know, let themselves go or something like that.
You know, make sure you correct those things.
Make sure you work on yourself.
You hit the gym.
You know, like you want to present the best version of yourself so you can get the best men.
So that's my take.
Yeah.
We haven't pulled out Twitch yet.
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Thank you guys.
Not okay.
Shoot.
Sorry.
One of your guys' chats fell off.
I'm gonna read some of the chats there.
Sorry that we're getting to these a bit late, but yo, way off base.
Hey, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Sorry that it took us a while to get to your chat.
Social issue, both feminism and red pills, war on the opposite sex is stupid, driving people apart.
These topics are talked about ad nauseum.
What do you think would be a viable would be a viable solution?
Well, first off, if men and women agree that hookup culture is bad, we obviously have to stigmatize said hookup culture.
We have to shame, like, like she said, like Jordan said, bring shame back.
We need to reprioritize a better social order, you know.
Okay, thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
Did anybody want to answer this?
Like, quick answer?
Oh, you guys can't see it.
What's a viable solution?
Openly communicating like we are right now.
That's touching.
Some people might take it too much to heart, but I'm sure your main goal behind this whole thing and why you started it clearly was because of your past experiences.
And I feel like you want to share the wisdom.
Okay, sorry.
You know what I mean?
Like, we're here to share wisdom.
You know what I mean?
And just have open conversations.
And it's like, you know, just hear sides of the opposite sex.
And I think even just having a conversation with your opposite sex friends about this stuff and realizing that men and women both have grievances, just I think communication is a good solution within a relationship or in general.
That was beautiful.
Thank you.
Wait, sorry.
So hold on.
I just want to, okay, way off base.
I'm very sorry.
It's not coming up, so I'm not able to trigger it.
But he wrote, He loves you, he will forgive you.
Causing others to sin is wrong.
By creating just that is what you are doing.
Yes, everyone sins, but admonishing each other for wrongdoing isn't wrong.
That's directed at you.
Oh, me?
Sorry, way off base.
Streamlabs will not let me re-trigger it.
So I just, I know it won't display on stream, but I am able to read it.
Like my exes or something?
I think they meant like with you doing porn and only porn and God first and wearing a cross and a cross tattoo.
Oh, yeah, he loves me.
All right, I'm not going to make any progress there.
And then I hold on one sec.
Let me get through these chats.
And then, what do you guys think is a viable solution to everyone's dating woes from way off base here?
Is there a solution?
Honestly, in today's society, in today's society, everyone's just going to do what they want.
So, like, we can honestly say a million solutions, but in all reality, the world's going to keep turning and things are just going to keep progressing.
Yeah.
And I think it's like you shouldn't be scared to date either.
Like, you not dating for five years, I think you should give it one more try.
I don't know.
I'm not actively seeking that.
So it's just not a priority right now.
Yeah.
I respect that.
But I don't think being like not wanting to date or being scared to date should you should like be like that.
I think you should want to just, I don't know, interact with humans.
I think that's going to club and have a foursome accidentally.
I don't think we were not put on this earth to interact with other human beings.
Are you talking about foursomes or what are we talking about here?
I'm talking about, like I don't think that I was put on this earth to not procreate and like oh sorry sorry, wait.
Is that what?
Hold on, is that what you were put on earth to do?
Make only fans content?
I don't think that was like my mission, but that's just what I'm doing.
So that is your mission.
Oh, my god, this girl.
Okay, all right, we got J-Rod here.
70% divorce is initiated by.
Why 50% of divorced wives never want to remarry.
Only 30% of men have same sentiment.
Yes, most divorces are initiated by women.
Why, men effed up, they go back to buffet.
Men effed up, they go back to the.
They go back to the buffet.
Like the pool, the dating pool.
Yeah, go back to the buffet.
Interesting way to put it here.
Okay, all right, there you have it.
Um, let me just double check here.
Go ahead.
So there was one comment um, like those things that pop up that said that um, a lot of women which is true, a lot of women don't want to do a lot of the same hard labor, work as jobs.
But you shouldn't say all women, because I know that I myself I've worked in construction, I've worked in the fields and I've done exterior home renovations, so you can't really stigmatize it to all women.
You said you said a lot true, most women, yeah.
So you didn't say all.
Did he not say all?
Wait, let me ask you a question.
So you say you do construction, you're out in the fields right, when you're on a construction site or doing a construction gig, what percentage are men?
Majority okay, so most, would you say most then yeah, okay.
Well, I mean, a lot of the women work behind the scenes, more of like in the office and stuff like in the company itself.
There is still a lot of women that do work in the construction company, just not actively out like laying down the concrete.
That's not.
You're not like actually doing the construction if you I mean like the accountants, but no sure you were.
But most women don't want those jobs.
That's, that's the, that is the the joke of feminism.
You can only have feminism when there's comfortable, air-conditioned office jobs.
You can't have feminism when it's like brutal physical labor.
So this whole idea, women weren't allowed to work 200 years ago.
Uh Bruv, you wouldn't have wanted to work 200 fucking years ago.
Work was like backbone.
Why denied the act like, why deny women from you know, working one even?
Uh, women really weren't.
Even you could.
If you wanted to, I suppose you could have worked well.
Why the laws were made so women could not.
There weren't laws there were.
There weren't laws there were, like women slaves building the pyramids and stuff too.
Who's well, who's physically stronger, men or women?
Technically men, what do you mean technically men?
Men, because over.
Okay, so there are certain instances where, let's say, you have a male, males are born on average 35 more muscle mass than females straight out of the womb.
That's just science, that's a fact, right?
But actually, hold on, before puberty, I think there's actually and I actually might be wrong on this, but my understanding is actually before puberty, like pretty it's.
I think it's pretty equal between boys and girls before puberty.
I could be wrong, I i'm not an expert.
There's still a muscle mass percentage difference, am I wrong?
I could be wrong.
Um, let's look it up.
I think I thought there wasn't a huge difference, Not until puberty, because that's when puberty starts.
That's when testosterone starts to heighten.
There's still a difference straight out of the womb, though.
I'm sure.
I'm sure, but like genetically, it is muscle.
It's muscle.
I'm pretty sure it's muscle mass or muscle capacity, but I do know that male babies are born straight out of the womb with more muscle mass than a female.
But let's say that man specifically, let's say he doesn't work out all the time, or maybe he does moderately, right?
If you have a woman, right, that's eating the correct diet, going to the gym every day, she's benching like 250, she's going to be stronger than that guy that's just.
You women bench 250.
I used to when I played football in high school.
You benched 250?
I did.
I have muscles.
I played D-tackle and boys go to football.
It's a baby now.
I haven't worked out in years, okay?
I have not worked out in years.
Hey, well, first off, impressive.
Good for you.
You got guns.
But you're like an outlier in that case if you can out-bench some guy who goes to the gym years of working out.
That's what I'm saying.
Anyone can do it.
It just takes dedication.
Wait, how did you play football?
Did you go to like a school?
Yeah, did I go to a school where like women could play football?
Oh, yeah, in Southern California, is it different here?
I was just wondering, any female can apply, like, can try to play football.
Sorry, no, pull your mic close to the edge.
I think women are not barred from playing football, but the reality is they're such a physically intense sport that they're just not temperamentally drawn to it.
And there's a certain like they're going to get, they're going to get hurt.
What position did you play?
I played D tackle and I was a starter.
Nice.
You were.
You paid D tackle and I was a starter.
Is that the defensive?
Wait.
Are you on the defensive?
Defensive end, yes.
I was on the defensive line.
Okay.
I'm right next to the center.
Cool.
Oh, and defense.
Yeah, I played D tackle.
Did your team lose?
No, actually.
I transferred from Tesoro High School, which was a D1 school, to Rancho Buena Vista, which was a D3 school.
So I actually helped them bring up their standing.
JV or varsity?
It was JV, but I was a freshman.
Okay.
So sounds like affirmative action or some shit.
I don't know.
I just, I get really involved in stuff and I like what I do.
I like physical things.
I like working out.
I like being outdoors.
I like doing construction.
I like doing hard physical labor because it makes me feel good.
That's cool.
Wait.
But generally speaking, men are physically stronger than women.
They can be.
What do you mean they can be?
They are.
They are.
I'm not saying that there's like.
They have more testosterone in their muscles, which allows them to become stronger and develop muscle mass easier.
It also depends on a lot of things.
Because women can still be as strong as men.
It just takes work.
Let me ask you a question.
No, no, no.
Let me ask you a question.
Using what you just said there, is the strongest woman, does she have, does any woman, any woman in the world have the capacity to be as strong as the strongest man in the world?
It depends.
On what?
On a lot of factors.
Well, okay, wait, are we talking about like actually or are we talking about just like hypothetically?
Because like with steroids and with intensive training and work.
Naturally.
Naturally?
Probably not.
If they were both the strongest, but I do believe that they're not in mind.
I do believe that there is a way to become stronger.
Have we actually even tested this?
Is there actually knowledge based on experience on this thesis?
Two weeks.
Wait, so you think, okay, let me just ask the question one more time.
Do you think that any woman in the world could be as strong as the strongest man in the world?
I guess technically no.
Don't walk it back.
I mean, well, okay, with steroids and a bunch of other stuff.
Okay, let's say there's a man on steroids and there's a woman on steroids.
Who's going to be stronger?
Okay, then technically the man.
Actually, I would be prepared to argue that the strongest natural guy who's never taken steroids, he's going to be stronger than the woman who's pumped full of steroids.
Even with that, shit, what's the term?
Even with that advantage, a woman on steroids, she's not even going to, even then, isn't going to be as strong as the strongest natural guy.
So even if I concede to you that, yes, we can have a woman who's on steroids and have her compete against a guy who's just natural strength, no steroids, he's still going to fucking scorch her in like various lifts.
Certainly in a fight, he'll fuck her up.
I don't think with the, well, while she's on, like, if he's not on steroids and she is, that might be a little different.
But like, if they're both like on equal playing ground, then yeah, he would beat her.
Even if she has this handicap of taking steroids, she's still not going to be stronger than him.
Where's your evidence?
Where's my.
What do you mean, my evidence?
It hasn't been tested.
So you know for a fact.
Look at natural bodybuilding.
If you compare a male natural bodybuilder to a female steroid bodybuilder, just his physical size is going to be larger, anyways.
In addition, like if you probably look at their lifts, he probably lifts heavier.
Why don't you look up the world records for lifting with women versus men and look at the disparity?
Right now?
But if Brian allows you, but why don't you do that?
Why don't you look at the disparity?
Look at the female bench press record.
Well, that's what I was planning on doing after this.
Look at the male bench press record and look at how much more the male's bench press record is, world record than the woman's.
Wait, do you?
Wait, so do you, okay, you think that a woman on steroids.
But that's actually like not just steroids, but has actually like actively been training, been lifting for a majority of time, actively pushing herself to be stronger.
Oh, she has the ability to.
She has the ability to be stronger than a portion of men.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
But if you were to compare her to a guy who's not on steroids, who's been, I'm not even going to say training the same amount of time, but that would be the fair comparison.
Just a guy who's been lifting for fuck, I don't know.
I can't put it.
I mean, this is very speculative.
Let's just compare a guy who's been training for 10 years, not on steroids, versus a woman who's been training for 10 years on steroids.
That guy's going to be able to lift more than she is.
That's how great the disparity is between our strengths.
Yeah, but it also depends on like that female's testosterone levels too.
Because you can still have XY chromosomes and have a higher testosterone spike and be able to.
How much more testosterone men have than women?
A bit, but there's also a bit.
It's exponentially grasping at this point.
It's exponentially more.
Wait, am I chat?
Am I, am I wrong?
Like, don't just side with me because you like my podcast or whatever.
A guy, let's say a guy who they're both like very serious about the gym.
Is a guy who's never taken steroids going to be stronger than a woman who takes steroids?
They're training the same amount of time.
Oh, we got it.
Curtis Sundays Corleon donated $200.
When women in combat roles was tested in the USMC, they did an experiment I witnessed.
A WM who lifted weights tried to lift to artillery round, couldn't do it.
A 170 pounds male private could do it.
Okay, but was she like trained to do that?
I mean, was there like anything specific about that?
Anyways, what we're getting at, Curtis.
Is that men tend to be stronger than women?
Majority cases.
And it's not even close.
It's not even close.
This is ridiculous.
Should we do the boys?
Okay, we'll do the boys versus women thing.
If you can, yeah.
So.
So this is male high school athletes versus female Olympians.
If boys win against the fastest women, is it fair for males?
Well, okay, whatever.
So the overall medal count, so this is if high school boys were allowed to compete, high school boys, not male Olympians, high school boys were allowed to compete in the Olympics.
Hold on.
Well, that's related to certain things, but that's all the medals that they would steal from women if high school boys can compete against women.
The top female athletes, scroll down a little bit.
We're just going to react to a few.
That's for speed, though.
I mean, but sprinting is related to your force.
Yes.
Fast Twitch muscle fibers.
Like, have you seen sprinters?
Slow Twitch.
Lifting is a Twitch.
Fast Twitch is.
Well, you'll have to.
Excuse me.
I might have mixed the two up.
Slow Twitch is when you have typically big muscles, right?
So slow Twitch fibers are the muscles that you use when you're making a muscle.
Wait, chat.
Can you show us the chat?
Wait, fast Twitch?
Is that what sprinters have?
Or is it slow Twitch?
I thought it was fast.
Sprinters have fast Twitch.
I thought Sprinters have fast Twitch.
Sprinters have fast Twitch.
I think I was right.
In any case, I have lifting records to web next.
Yeah, no, I was right.
Fast Twitch.
Have you seen all the women in the hospital and most of them win?
That's true.
Damn, they're a professional fighter.
So if you look at sprinters, they're super ripped, despite it being a race, right?
Speed race.
They're like super fucking muscular.
Even their upper bodies, right?
But if you look at like distance runners, they're typically like very thin and don't have a lot of muscle buildup.
Muscle hypertrophy.
Hypertrophy?
Yeah.
So I think it's actually, pull it up, Nick.
It's actually very fair to compare like a sprint, for example, as evidence of like fast Twitch muscle fiber.
Bear in mind, these are high school boys, 400 meters, 800 meters.
Anyways, this goes on and on.
All the boys steal all the gold medals from women, the top female athletes in the entire world, just the U.S. high school boys alone.
The 5,000 meters, actually, women edge out a little bit because there's some weird differential for long distance running.
But Yoho, bone man.
Dude, thank you.
You're fucking me!
That's why he's the goat!
Thank you, Bonan.
You're a fucking legend.
Thank you, dude.
Word?
Oh my God.
Hello?
Huh?
So women are stronger than men?
Is what you're saying?
Well, apparently not, but I thought with hormones and everything that you could potentially be stronger than men.
I don't know.
I've met a lot of men that I was stronger than, so.
No, but yes, like, of course, a woman can be stronger than a man.
But if we're like comparing averages, like averages, like the average woman to the average woman.
Or like a really physically fit woman, if you compare her to a really physically fit man, like say the top bodybuilders or the top power lifters, the men are still going to, like, natural bodybuilders or natural power lifters would probably still lift more, and I think do lift more than even women who are juiced up.
I mean, probably, now that I just saw the actual statistic, I mean, I had already said that initially out of the womb that genetically men were stronger than women.
The question was if a woman could become stronger than a man.
So I am now conceding, because I was wrong, because we just saw the statistics, that that is not possible.
But I thought the question was if, not are they?
If they don't even know how we got there, to be honest, but of course there are women that can be, there's women that are stronger than me, but am I stronger than probably the vast majority of women?
Yes.
How much can you press, Brian?
Well, here's the reality.
I have chronic pain issues.
I've got neck pain.
I've got back pain.
I've had major injuries.
I live a pretty lethargic life.
Let's see.
I don't really exercise much.
I eat like shit.
I could probably beat up like 95% of women.
Not that I would want to.
Not that I would want to, but like, granted, I wrestled for two years in high school.
That already puts me.
Maybe 99% of women.
I don't know.
It's probably 99%.
Yeah.
It's probably 99.
I've got a fucking dad body and I haven't lifted in a long ass time.
And I'm old and I've got knee pain and neck pain and back pain.
I'd probably like still score.
Not that I'm like trying to fight chicks and shit.
I'd probably scorch them up in a fight because I'm physically stronger than them.
And I weigh more and I'm physically larger.
I'm six foot one.
So what percentage of women are six foot one?
It's probably like less than one percent.
So I mean shoot, technically your height's got a little bit of a disadvantage.
In fighting?
Just a tiny bit, like a wooll, like fighting a woman, because she's a lot shorter than six feet.
Are you saying she can like hit me in the goods or some shit?
Yeah, like the kneecaps.
They're right there.
They're right there.
And then you have to like bend down to grab.
I mean, I have more reach.
She could go under you.
You know, in a fight, like if you have further reach, that that's a benefit.
I was joking.
Okay, whatever.
I was joking.
Okay, okay.
Good times.
Good times.
I have the, what's it called?
Fuck.
I have the high ground.
It's always good to have the high ground, like, in a fight, you know?
Like, if you're playing like Fortnite and shit, like, you want to have the high ground.
You're like, you're football, man.
You want.
You want low.
That's never mind.
Okay, I'm trying to think.
Oh, I have a question.
Who here wants the guy to pay for the first date?
You, Jordan?
No.
No, you, oh, you want to go 50-50?
Okay, it kind of depends.
So I think in this day and age, it should be 50-50.
Oh, okay.
Oh.
But if it was way back when, I would say the man's back in the day.
Back in the day.
Question: For all those of you who said, did you raise your hand on this one?
Yes, I did.
Just wasn't you and Jordan.
Will you take your husband's last name if you guys get married?
Yes.
Hyphenating.
Hyphenating.
You're going to hyphenate, but you want the guy to pay for the first date?
As long as it's less than $50.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
That's fair.
That's fair.
I did not.
Cool.
Okay.
What's my last?
Sorry, guys.
I need to find my last note here.
We have J-Rod.
Construction wouldn't happen without female administration, BTS, even though they don't do heavy lifting.
Comparable to trad dads, a gentleman would respect the women in front of him, especially if they pay your bills.
Repeat man word.
Okay, cool.
Good times.
Yeah, I think, I mean, I was just saying, like, the women who are doing like the administrative work, they're not actually doing the construction.
They're doing administrative work in the construction field.
Like, if I'm a janitor at Apple, it doesn't mean I'm a software engineer.
I'm not in the engineering field.
I'm in the janitorial field.
So, okay.
Oh, body count.
Should body count matter?
Does body count matter?
How about this?
Do you object to women?
Excuse me, do you object to men caring about body count?
Starting with you, we'll go around the table.
I don't object if that's a preference.
You prefer women with lower body counts, that's totally fine.
It's their own personal opinion.
I really don't.
Do you think it's like insecure?
They're insecure.
No, I just think it's their own personal preference of what they want.
Okay.
I don't think it should matter.
Okay.
I think it's unnecessary to know a woman's body count.
It's unnecessary to know.
Like, a man shouldn't ask that.
I think that's like someone's private information.
But what if they're wanting to be in a relationship with you?
I'm not going to lie, I probably lie, though.
Ooh, I probably lie about my number.
My number is not high or nothing.
I would just lie because I feel like I would, if he's already asking me, I feel like he already has an idea of a number in his head.
I mean, I appreciate your honesty, but this is why when a girl, if she does tell you your body count, she might not be honest.
Nobody here is going to tell me that if they got asked, they would actually tell the truth.
Nobody here.
Unless I'm really low.
I do.
I've been with three people.
What about you?
I think it's the same principle as us wanting men that can provide for us.
So I think it's right for a guy to care about a woman's body count because I think that's a way to measure a man's value is if he can provide financially.
And I think a woman's value can also be judged in her ability to say no, especially to sexual encounters.
Good answer.
Thank you.
I think it's a fair question.
Well, fair question, but do you object?
Because men typically prefer women who have low body counts or non-promiscuous.
Do you object to that?
To men wanting a girl with a low body count?
No, I don't object to that.
Okay, Jordan, no, I don't object.
Okay.
So, going around the table, what's everybody's body count, starting with Madison?
Okay, we'll start with you and then go around this way.
What kind of question is that?
What do you mean?
I don't feel like you ask that to a lady, and I don't feel comfortable responding to that.
Not because he's high, but I don't.
I think that's between me and my partner.
Okay.
All right.
Three. Three.
You guys are friends, eh?
Yeah.
Okay, tell us the truth.
Is it actually three?
I didn't know hers was three, but mine's actually three, so your friend.
Are you running out on your friends?
Throwing you under the bus.
Men, we know how to be friends.
The girls count, too.
The girls do not count.
How sick.
There's more than three guys.
The girls.
Blink twice if there's more than three guys.
It's girls.
It's girls?
Yeah.
That counts.
Three for you.
Wait.
Girls count.
Yes, girls count.
Girls count.
I suppose.
If you add the girls, what is it?
Do you want me to tell them?
I know your number.
Wait, why would girls not count?
Well, I feel like everyone's like.
You can't necessarily lose your virginity to a girl.
Well, can you, though?
No, because technically, like the definition of losing your virginity doesn't allow you to do that.
I guess people have their own definition.
Your P in the V virginity is intact, but you've had sex.
Well, masturbating is technically like having sex.
Not really.
That's so funny.
What is it?
You want to tell us?
Not if she doesn't want me to.
Fine.
Nine.
Women?
Oh, well, six women.
Six.
Okay, okay.
Gotcha.
What about you?
I'm not going to answer that respectfully.
I thought you said body count doesn't matter.
I'm not going to answer that respectfully.
Okay.
I would prefer to not share such personal information.
Wait, you shared it last episode last year.
I did, and I will say if anyone cares and wants to look back at the last.
I remember here, I'll just say it.
It was five.
Well, it's one more than that, then.
Okay, because you were on like a year plus ago, I think, right?
Like a year.
Yeah, I was in like October.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
2022.
You guys are friends, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
Is she telling the truth?
Is it telling the truth?
Oh, are you asking if.
She's asking if I'm telling the truth.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
I'd prefer not to share.
I'm not really comfortable sharing that.
Okay.
Jordan?
That's something I would be sharing with my partner.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, gentlemen, what are your partners?
You guys didn't fucking share.
You guys shared jack shit.
Wait, I think that's a conversation with my partner.
If Q will share.
Here.
If y'all share, Q will share.
Deal?
Well, I per come on.
Just throws Q under the bus.
If you reveal, how about this?
We'll do one for one.
We'll make it fair.
I don't care to know what anyone's buying count is.
How about you?
You want to do a trade?
You want to do the trade?
The people want to know.
The people's champ want to know.
Okay.
It's funny to see how men lie to inflate numbers and women like to decrease those numbers.
Can we guess?
Can you guys tell us if it's hard to do?
Not only on five counts and also in other areas.
Three for who?
For who?
Either or.
Both of us?
Yeah.
You think they have three?
I'm going to say Q is like eight.
Definitely eight.
Eight to ten.
His face.
He's like, Quotes.
Wait, Q, how old are you?
I'm 30.
Oh, shit.
Never mind.
I'm going to say like 15 to 20.
I think your body count is probably.
I'd say 8 to 10.
35.
And then you.
The way you were describing how you like your relationships.
He's definitely a player.
No, no, I don't think.
I mean, he's not.
I'm going to say like he's been around for a while.
Hot or cold?
Lame.
Okay.
he sniffled I'm scared four Five.
Six?
Seven.
Brian, how old are you?
34.
I'm on some boomer shit.
Okay, I don't know.
Okay, maybe he's eight to ten.
You're three years younger than my mom.
How old's your mom?
She's like 37.
I can't do math.
She's how old?
Like 37.
She's 38.
You don't want that?
Nope.
Don't.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, she's actually not single.
She has a boyfriend.
Not a husband, though?
It was a one-night stand child.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
Did you know your dad?
I met him like a couple years ago.
I found him on Facebook.
That's what your mom told you, or your dad told you?
My dad told me.
My mom was just kind of like, yeah, I know him.
And I was like, okay.
Cool.
She's like, yeah.
I know him.
I was like, okay.
Then I found him on Facebook and I was like, hey, you're my dad.
He's like, okay.
It's like, cool.
Hopefully she was like a present figure in your life though.
Beautiful.
It's touching, Nikki.
Right?
Cool.
Sorry, I said that.
Nikki's my nickname.
Oh, Nikki's your nickname?
We got two Nikki's.
We got Nikki's right next to each other.
Right next to each other.
Okay, any final thoughts before I wrap up the show, guys?
From anybody?
Check out Universe 25.
Or don't.
It's actually pretty cool.
It's pretty nifty to look at.
Is it a 50-year study?
I believe it was.
Yeah, it's a five.
Is it a five-year?
Yeah.
I knew there was a five in there somewhere, though.
A five in there.
That's probably not confused.
I'm a free spirit.
What?
Go to Nikki's bio.
Wait, question.
Go to Nikki's question.
Lincoln bio.
Lincoln bio.
Are you, you're kind of.
Are you a Latina or are you Asian?
Yeah, I'm wondering.
I'm trying to figure this shit out.
I'm wondering the same thing on this.
I'm Hawaiian, Japanese, and Panamanian.
Oh, it's like a mix kind of.
So you live in the middle.
Panama, like the Panama.
Yeah, my dad's Panamanian.
It's where my boyfriend's from.
Oh, really?
Yeah, that's my dad.
That's cool.
The lasting thought I have is that I feel like people in general nowadays need to be less sensitive and open to criticism because I learned a lot being here.
And I feel like a lot of people can't handle something like this.
Instead of taking it as constructive criticism or actually opening their mind, everyone just assumes they're right.
But I learned a lot and I'm grateful for it.
And yeah.
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming.
A lot of people can't handle these kinds of conversations.
Granted, I'm kind of toxic as fuck, so whatever.
It's all good.
Like, whatever.
That's the point, too, at the same time.
That's the point.
You've got to make it entertaining.
Yeah, you got to make it.
Actually, I'm pretty tame.
You got to make it spicy, man.
I'm pretty tame, not going to lie, compared to some other.
A lot of people don't want to.
Wait, okay.
Actually, a question for you.
So you're like local, right?
Like here in Santa Barbara.
Yes.
Question for you.
Yes.
Oh, fuck.
I don't want to ask.
Never mind.
Don't be a pussy.
Oh, my God.
That's not.
Like, let me ask you a question.
Have you, when we've reached out to you and like maybe you asked like a girlfriend if she wanted to come on the show?
Like have girls been like hesitant to want to come on the show because it's like controversial or maybe like have a bad reputation?
Blah blah.
Bro, we got a lot of haters in Santa Barbara.
Like, look, it's a controversial show.
It's, you know, not everybody's going to want to have their views challenged.
Maybe you should relocate to San Diego.
I was going to say people in San Diego.
They definitely come on.
They, yeah.
I actually really like San Diego.
Like, I thought about moving this to obviously somewhere more populated because prices are better too.
No, they're not.
And I like San Diego.
San Diego feels like a bigger Santa Barbara.
Like, it's still kind of a beach vibe.
And I don't like LA.
I fucking hate LA.
San Diego could be cool, but.
The driving is a lot easier.
And then you have CUSD, Cal State San Marcos.
Well, UCSD too, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then.
San Diego State.
Yeah.
But Cal State San Marcos has like a lot of really friendly people that I'm sure would be more than willing to actually go there.
San Barbara's come cucks, not gonna lie.
It's beautiful.
I fucking love Santa Barbara, but it's kind of cocked.
Good ties.
Any final thoughts from anybody else?
50-50 is a scam for a woman.
Can I have my cat back?
Give her her cat back.
Give me my cat back.
I will find you.
Oh, wait, question.
Do you guys think men only want one thing?
No.
No.
Okay.
Good answer.
Wait, question.
Eh, fuck.
I don't want to get into any of the feminism shit.
I think that when men are young and immature, they do only want one thing because they're not ready and they also don't feel like they fulfilled their goals to reach being a man in order to want something more serious.
So I feel like when a boy is like immature and young, yeah, I would say he wants sexual encounters more than he would want like a serious committed relationship.
But once a boy has really matured into a man, he's ready to take that on and he feels confident in himself and his journey to provide for a relationship.
Word.
Word.
Okay, hold on.
Let me read this last chat from J-Rod.
Then we're going to wrap up.
We line 90%, but 10% disparities important.
Ask each woman, the panel's content pays your bills, if they date your personality.
Then ask your mom if your action is gentlemanly.
Message first delivery?
What?
I'm a little confused.
Is this for me?
J-Rod, is this the panel's content?
Pays your bills.
If they date your personality, wait.
If I give me a bunch of people, like me, or like, would the girls other people?
Like, if we date our own personality?
Yeah, would you date your personal?
I think, J-Rod, I think that's the question.
Would you date your own personality?
If I was a man, would I date myself?
This is kind of a vague question.
Yeah, I would.
I would.
Wait, here, let's just.
Actually, this came in earlier.
J-Rod, I'm just going to have to co-opt your question here.
Would you guys date me or Jayquan?
Did I say your name?
Jaquan, sorry, I scuffed it.
You got it.
I don't know you guys personally.
It's okay.
You can't do a toxic piece of shit.
That's fine.
No, no, no, no.
But, yeah, I will accept a date.
I don't know.
As long as you pay for it, you know.
Exactly.
Technically, I got a man, so no.
I'd go on a date with you, but not him.
What?
Why?
He's so handsome.
Not my type.
You don't like.
Don't go there.
It's the earrings, actually.
It's the earrings.
Yeah, it kind of just reminds me of gay guys.
I thought his earrings were cool.
They're cool and they're nice, but like, I just, I have so many gay friends.
No, I didn't.
I just said I have so many gay friends and they all have earrings.
So when I see a man with earrings, I just instantly assume he's gay.
Yeah, I would date both of you guys.
They like that.
You guys were both very opinionated, and I respected your guys' opinion on every topic that we talked about.
And I like a guy that can like voice his opinion.
So you both seem like you guys are good communicators.
So yes, I would.
All right.
Okay.
As someone who has high standards and is very careful about who I give my energy to, I don't have enough information to assess something like that and be able to answer that.
So the question is, I don't know.
Okay.
All right.
That's a very politically correct one.
I was going to say that.
You should be a politician.
What about you?
I sort of feel the same way.
I don't really have enough information, but however, he, I think you said earlier you are a relationship coach.
So to me, that stands out in something that you know a lot about emotional intelligence and a relationship.
So like I, you know, why not?
Word.
Jordan?
I'm intrigued.
I would say yes to both.
Oh, all right.
There you have it, folks.
Okay, guys.
We need to wrap up the show before we hit the seven-hour mark.
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Trent Rose, Lila, or excuse me, Trent Horn, Lila Rose, Destiny, Jasmine Jafar.
That's going to be a good one.
Approximately 1 p.m., I think.
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