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She Wants A Traditional Man But WILL NOT Take Husbands Last Name?! | Dating Talk #117

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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	Go ahead.
	My name is Pearl Bots.
	I'm 31 and I'm a singer-songwriter and content creator.
	Gotcha.
	And you recently went pretty viral.
	You had a TikTok clip, Instagram reel go very viral, which we'll react to after we get through all the intros.
	But there's a New York Post article.
	Were there any other news organizations that published anything or just?
	Yeah, the Daily Mail, Australia.
	Oh.
	Honestly, a few.
	I don't remember them all to me.
	Okay.
	Well, we'll get into it here shortly.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Ava Marie, and I'm 25 and a recording artist.
	Gotcha.
	And you sing too, correct?
	What kind of music do you both make?
	R ⁇ B and Soul.
	We met at a songwriting camp.
	Okay.
	And what kind of music do you make?
	I'm all over.
	Rapper.
	R ⁇ B pop.
	R ⁇ B pop.
	Any rap?
	No rap?
	Can you drop some?
	Never, say never.
	Drop a freestyle on the whatever podcast.
	You guys said you make music together, right?
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Can we, are you a soprano?
	Yes, technically I am, yeah.
	Can we, maybe we could hear a little bit?
	Sure, maybe later.
	Oh, later.
	Okay, we'll save it for later.
	We'll save it for later.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	My name's Jacqueline.
	I'm 33, and I teach English.
	Teach English?
	Okay.
	In high school, elementary school?
	Well, it's ESL, so it's like a private campus.
	So it can be 17 to 100.
	It doesn't matter.
	English as a second language.
	Gotcha.
	And are you primarily teaching like Kazakhstani kids?
	The biggest group right now is French.
	It tends to move.
	You're teaching French kids how to speak English.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's the dominating.
	Gotcha.
	Are you in Canada?
	Canada.
	Well, that's typically where in North America you'd expect a lot of French speakers.
	No, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Kylie.
	I am 25 and I do tattoos for a living.
	Okay, very cool.
	How long have you been doing tattoos?
	A couple years.
	Gotcha.
	All right, cool.
	Hi, my name is Allie.
	I'm 25 and I am a project specialist for a supply company.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Tiffany.
	I'm 18.
	I go to UCSB.
	I'm majoring in political science.
	Welcome.
	Hi, I'm Jackie.
	I'm 23, and I code for a living.
	You code for a living?
	Yeah, I'm a software engineer.
	Software engineer?
	Okay, gotcha.
	Hi, I'm Emily.
	I'm 19, and I go to Quest College as a criminal justice major.
	All right.
	Sweet.
	Y'all know me, Chase, 28 years old, professional photographer and brand consultant.
	Rock and roll.
	We're going to go around the table once more, so please tell us what your current relationship status is.
	So are you single?
	Talking stage.
	Situationship.
	Friends with benefits.
	Relationship.
	Married.
	Polycule.
	Sex cult.
	Harem.
	A member of a harem.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for two years.
	And the longest relationship I've been in is a year and a half.
	All right.
	Got it.
	And you both live in LA, correct?
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I guess you could say since September-ish.
	So like you guess.
	Eh.
	Complicated.
	What are you trying to do, Nick?
	What are you trying to do?
	Nick, what are you trying to do?
	What are you trying to do, Nick?
	It's so over right now.
	Bro, actually, hold on, hold on.
	Where is the fuck?
	Nick's getting guillotined.
	It takes him literally 30 seconds.
	Go to StreamYard.
	F-11.
	Jesus Christ.
	Okay.
	Scuffed.
	It's okay.
	It's all right.
	We're back.
	We're back.
	Go ahead.
	Where did I live?
	She was saying it's complicated.
	So you've been single since September.
	So about two months.
	You've been single.
	Longest relationship, I guess, on and off or four years.
	Whoa, okay, on and off for four years.
	Everything's with an ish.
	Ish.
	What does that mean?
	And wait, it's currently complicated?
	Is that?
	No, a single.
	Okay, single for a couple, three, let's say two, three months.
	Longest relationship, four years, but on and off again.
	How many breakups were there?
	How many times was there?
	Three.
	Off and back on.
	Three?
	Oh, just three.
	Okay.
	That's some people will in on again, off again situations that shit will break up every week.
	So.
	So, you know, dozens of times.
	Solid, strong three.
	Okay, all right.
	So not too toxic, but a little toxic.
	Pretty toxic.
	Of the times there was a breakup, who was initiating it?
	Was it you or the guy?
	I'm always the one.
	You'd always break up.
	For sure.
	Why'd you take him back?
	You know, you know, people will say things.
	People will change for a certain amount of time and show action that follows up what they say, but then slowly old habits come back.
	It takes a lot for someone to change.
	You really have to want it for you.
	You know, there's a Seinfeld episode about how it takes a solid three times to really break up with someone, and I really think that's true.
	But anyways.
	So who would come back to who?
	Would you go back to him or would he come back to you?
	No, he would DM again after the blocking was up or make a full new fake account, full new number.
	Yeah, that particular person made a new Instagram and a new number to contact me so and emailed, Wow, and he was able to slide through your defenses.
	You know, I I'm not like ruthless, so I'm just gonna, I'll be like, I'll hear you out, we can meet for coffee.
	See what's up?
	Okay, attest the vibe.
	Did the same problems keep surfacing?
	Sort of sort of a new, additional ones would come up.
	I feel like as you spend more time with someone, you learn more about them, you see them more, so in a different light, spend more time with them, So new things were coming up, for sure.
	And then life threw some curveballs his way.
	That changed.
	Yeah yeah, you know, was he very, because you said he would make like new numbers and different emails, like you would say no, but would he keep like, was it badgering, pestering to a degree?
	Yeah okay yeah yeah, how did he not give you the ick by doing that?
	Well, he did like at the obviously, but then how did he recover from giving you the ick?
	Time, I think because I just didn't really care anymore, like I didn't feel the same way.
	So I was like you know, i'll just hear you out as a friend, I was already talking to someone else, it would.
	It was like I think the longest in between was like a year.
	Once I we went without speaking.
	I was over the whole thing.
	So I was like it was more so on some friend stuff and we both had changed and grew and were in different places of our life.
	So then it just became completely different, I was different, I don't know.
	And then it kind of took a while and then then it, yeah yeah, you know we're here now.
	You said you were single.
	You've been single for two months.
	Was this on again, off again relationship the one that ended two months ago?
	No okay, different relationship, okay different.
	Uh, while you were in the on again, off again relationship, was it exclusive?
	Was it monogamous, or were you guys seeing other people?
	Or well, that's definitely part of the issue.
	Um, we were seeing other people ish, but ish, ish can we define?
	Ish is like, do you want to be doing that and should that?
	That was not seeing.
	I guess you would call it a situationship.
	Honestly, it was during college too, so it was a whole other.
	That was a whole other thing.
	Okay, college is different.
	Who was it more of an issue with that?
	You guys were seeing other people, definitely me.
	You had more of an issue with him seeing other people.
	Yeah okay yeah, but you were seeing other people too.
	Yeah, but that was kind of why was it more of an issue that he was doing it?
	Because I specifically, we specifically had a conversation about how that wasn't going to happen and then, once I figured out that was happening on his end, because it wasn't on mine originally, I was like well, i'm not just gonna sit here wait, so hold on.
	Let me get this straight.
	I'm not trying to pry, but no, go ahead.
	You broke up with him and then blocked him later later okay, so what was the agreement before you blocked him?
	Hey, we're not gonna see anybody.
	Yeah yeah yeah, it was.
	And then you blocked him and then he saw people.
	Yeah, but if you blocked him, why would you care?
	Well no, he saw people before that and obviously that triggered me being like okay well, i'm not gonna see you anymore and be with you.
	You know, that makes sense because I we specifically had a conversation that you just went against.
	I'm all about honesty because like, he violated your trust.
	Yeah, and trust is important, oh for sure yeah, but trial was like the main feeling.
	He do that before you guys broke up.
	Say that again.
	Did he do that before you guys broke up?
	Did what?
	See other people?
	Yeah, that's why we broke up.
	Wait, point of clarification, were you, when you say like during this whole on again, off again thing, when you were seeing other people, was it during on stages or during off stages, or both, Eventually both, because the lines were so blurred at that point?
	It was a mess.
	You know, if you've ever been in a toxic situation, it just, you know.
	Good times.
	It was doomed, clearly.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, there you have it.
	What about you?
	So I am very much single.
	Very much single.
	Very much single.
	What is the difference between single and very much single?
	I'm not talking to anybody.
	I just ended a four-year relationship similar.
	I was like, well, it sounds like she's talking about me.
	Yeah, four years on and off.
	Like two weeks ago.
	Two weeks ago.
	Wait, so you've been single for two weeks.
	I've been single for two weeks.
	That's fresh.
	How does that feel right now?
	It's mixed feelings because it was, yeah, just definitely toxic.
	Definitely a lot of what she was saying, you know, just like my trust was not there.
	He cheated on me.
	And he was just, I don't know, he had very weird tendencies, I guess.
	I don't want to talk to you about him.
	But, you know, he was very shy, like shy to the point where like he wouldn't even go in like in anywhere with me.
	Like we would go to like the dispensary and he would be like, can you go in?
	And I'm like, he never would want to go in like anywhere.
	And then.
	Was he like scared?
	No, and I mean, like, if we went grocery shopping and stuff like that, but it's like, I don't know, he's really weird about the dispensary for some reason.
	And he like, he didn't ever want to hang out with any of my like roommates, my friends, like ever.
	So it's like him and his friends were always number one.
	And then it was like, I came second.
	Sneaky link.
	Probably.
	So wait, four years on again, off again relationship.
	How many times was it on and off?
	Honestly, like seriously, like three times.
	So I was like, sounds like you guys say it's the same guy.
	Yeah, right?
	Really, just three times.
	Seriously, three times.
	Rule of three, I guess, like she said.
	That's true.
	It takes three times to break up.
	So okay.
	Three times.
	More often than not, who was breaking up with him?
	Sorry, hold on just a sec grid one motorsports donated 99 dollar Is this in Japanese?
	What is happening right now?
	Ever stab at anyone, the level of toki city here is epic.on and off again seems to be the theme of the night, drug use and toki chic behavior seems like ITS going to be a great show. Oh, that was English the whole time.
	It was a Japanese Japanese accent.
	I have to fix that.
	I get turned on.
	It must be one of my settings.
	Sorry, grid one.
	You are a Japanese woman, I guess.
	Can you pull up that comment again without it?
	Yeah, without the voice.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That was a pretty funny comment.
	Here, what I'm going to do is, I don't know if I can, wait, let me see.
	I'm going to mute.
	And then I'll pull it.
	Do you want to read it, Chase?
	And I'll fix.
	I think we should have Ava read it.
	Should I go?
	Yeah, go for it.
	Go for it.
	Red hair equals red flags.
	How many tires have you slashed?
	Ever stabbed anyone?
	The level of toxicity here is epic.
	On and off again seems to be the theme of the night.
	Drug use and toxic behavior seems like it's going to be a great show.
	He's out for fun.
	Do you ever respond to that?
	There was no mention of drug use, so I don't know where you got that from.
	That's for her.
	That was for her.
	Okay.
	How many tires have you slashed?
	None.
	No?
	Yeah, but you ever stabbed him?
	No.
	We've had some stabbings.
	Not all recently.
	I do not promote violence.
	Okay.
	Good.
	Sorry, grid one.
	It should be fixed now.
	It should be.
	I don't know what happened there.
	So I think I was asking you more often than not who was breaking up with who.
	I think that's where we left off.
	Yeah, it was pretty even.
	Like, it was pretty even.
	Yeah.
	So I would say equally, we did.
	Like, he would break up with me, and then, like, I like I would want him back, and I would break up with him, and he would want me back.
	Like, it was very back and forth.
	You said it was only, there's only like three breakups.
	Three major times, like, where it was, like, there was space in between us, like, talking or hanging out.
	Where like other times it's just like the toxicity of like, you know, like, F you, like, I'm going to go do whatever or whatever.
	So, would there ever be like a minor split?
	So, you're talking major split where there'd be what, weeks, months, but maybe a minor split where it'd be like a couple days.
	Yeah, exactly.
	How often would that happen?
	A lot.
	Okay.
	I still consider that like a technically off period.
	A lot.
	Like, I want to say like 15 to 20 times.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, including the major and the minor on and offs, you said it was still pretty evenly split.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And does that change anything for you?
	Like, were there like little minor, like, okay, okay, B, I'm just, we're done.
	And then, like, the next day, you guys get back together.
	Have you, did you have that?
	Okay.
	All right.
	I got a follow-up question.
	For both of you, were there any red flags at the beginning of the relationship where you could have predicted this behavior?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What did that look like?
	That's like huge growth, rule number one.
	What you see in the beginning is what's going to end it.
	You can't change the person.
	Period.
	So what did you see in the beginning?
	Oh, you know, Playboy vibes, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
	What does that look like?
	Like, well, first of all, it was, again, college, very different time, but going out to parties a lot, playing on the sports team, that was really big.
	Like, constant girls are always around fawning, whatever.
	And they love the attention.
	Someone who can't be alone ever always needs like their team to build them up.
	You know, that sort of vibe.
	And it would be like pulling teeth to have a date actually be set for things, you know?
	So, yeah.
	So you wanted the Chad that was fooling around with all the other girls.
	You didn't call him a Chad.
	You thought you could save him?
	You thought you could change him or what?
	I didn't think I could change him because I think it kind of the guy who I feel like I don't necessarily care about either in the beginning, where it's just some casual thing.
	We met casually.
	It wasn't a planned anything.
	And then I'm like, oh, like when we first met, I had no clue who he was and was very like, who are you?
	Like, I wasn't really like, oh my God, who is that?
	Like, I did not feel that way.
	And then slowly but surely, just time passed, started getting to know the person, hanging out, and then like feelings crept up on me.
	So I had no intentions of being like, I'm going to bag this guy and change him.
	Like that was not the vibe at all.
	Just kind of organically grew.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then feelings got deep on both ends.
	But just wasn't the right time.
	Have you had a rebound yet?
	Not yet.
	What about you?
	Rebound?
	You said it was two months ago?
	The thing two months ago is a different guy from this four-year thing.
	But have you had a rebound from the most recent guy?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Sure?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Ish.
	Ish.
	Rebound-ish.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	So I am single.
	I've been single for a few weeks now.
	And my longest relationship is about three and a half years.
	Recent breakups.
	A few weeks.
	How long was your most recent relationship?
	It was like five, six months.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and what about yours?
	How long was your most recent one?
	The September breakup, I guess.
	Like eight-ish months.
	Was it a situationship or like a proper boyfriend?
	I guess you well, it's um, I feel that, I feel that, you know, I just it was a proper relationship.
	And then the last month it wasn't technically why, because we broke up before and then we ran into each other at something and then we were like uh, and then we tried it again, but it wasn't really what it was before.
	Before yes, it was okay.
	This is a total non-sequitur that has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation we're having right now.
	My OCD is, like you guys are both wearing jean jackets and sitting right next to you, you look like an amorphous mob blob.
	Is one of you like, could you maybe just to satiate, satiate my OCD, could you like maybe remove the unless, like you are wearing something underneath the way, I can take my jacket off, just because okay, just because like, help differentiate.
	Yeah, like I'm.
	Yeah, my the tism's kicking in, um.
	Did your turn.
	I went, I went already.
	Oh, you did wait.
	Huh, she said she's single for three and a half years.
	Yeah yeah okay gotcha um, what?
	Why did he dump you?
	He didn't dump me.
	Oh shit, my bad what.
	What an assumption Brian rude, rude.
	Why did you dump him?
	Well, it was, it was mutual mutual yeah, it was super mutual, just not each other's people.
	So, rebound, have you had a rebound?
	No, not yet, no rebound.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, I am newly in a relationship a little over a month congrats, thank you.
	How is it?
	Um, it's new um, because I got, like my heart shattered back in March.
	Sorry to hear that.
	So it's okay.
	Um, so I had to start over basically everything, relearning myself.
	Well, how long was that relationship, the heartbreak?
	One year, exactly a year, damn.
	Since the day I met him, you broke up on your anniversary.
	Yeah longest, longest relationship.
	It was that one.
	Oh, you said it was a year.
	You said it was gonna be like the happily ever after like, oh my gosh, he fixed a heart, he didn't break.
	And then yeah okay, sorry to hear that.
	Talking stage okay, talking stage um, and but you haven't met this guy, correct?
	No, never met him in person.
	I'm meeting him in like three weeks.
	He lives in where Alabama and okay, he goes to school in Alabama.
	He lives in uh Nola, New Orleans.
	How'd you guys meet?
	Um, he saw me on tick tock and dm me on instagram.
	What was your tick tock something talking about Kanye.
	What'd you say about Kanye?
	I have no idea what I think she is.
	It is it like cancelable?
	Were you saying Kanye was right i'm, I don't know.
	You have here, show us your Kanye tattoos.
	So you have on your arm number one Kanye West fan, that's.
	Show us the other angle, nick.
	Other angle, how many tiktoks have you made of Kanye other angle, maybe?
	Well, I don't know, but maybe that's quite a lot because wait, show us again.
	There you go, and then don't you have a Life Of Pablo on your shoulder?
	Yeah okay, it's on my instagram.
	Yeah, it's on your ig if you need to see it.
	Um okay so, but you've never had dated anybody, nothing prior to your no, nothing.
	Alabama talking, 100 pure, 100.
	What pure?
	What do you mean by that?
	Like pure, like what?
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean?
	Like sexually pure?
	Okay so version okay, what about you?
	Uh I, I just became single yesterday.
	Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.
	If you can, just speak a little closer to the microphone.
	Newly single.
	Yeah.
	You guys split up yesterday.
	Yeah.
	Okay, how long were you guys dating?
	Two years and a month, I guess.
	Two points.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Is that your longest relationship?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	And was it a long-distance relationship?
	Yeah, he lives in South Korea, so the time difference is kind of like different.
	Yeah.
	Are you Korean?
	Yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So am I.
	Oh my god, no.
	Me too.
	So many brilliants.
	What?
	Oh, my God.
	No way.
	Are you mixed?
	Half Korean.
	Half Korean.
	If we get like one more girl, we got Black Pink here.
	Okay.
	Is that offensive to say?
	I don't know.
	I think that's okay, right?
	Was that a reference?
	What did you say?
	Black Pink is a South Korea, a Korean pod.
	It's like a girl group.
	She sings.
	True.
	You could sing, probably.
	No, absolutely not.
	Software engineer, so she could.
	Okay.
	I don't see, but I can dance.
	Beautiful.
	It's all you need.
	K-pop team.
	K-pop team.
	Let's go.
	The trio.
	So many breakups at the table.
	It's a heart-broken panel.
	So, but did you guys meet in person?
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	We went to the same college.
	Okay, so he moved for work or he went back to South Korea for grad school, and he's a South Korean citizen, so he couldn't really stay here with us.
	Oh, I see.
	So he was here in the States for college?
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	Whose decision was it, if I may ask?
	It was kind of mutual.
	I think it's really hard to do a long distance.
	Yeah, it's tough.
	Was it on the rocks a little bit?
	Yeah, I think our personality didn't really match that well, and it was okay in person, but like, since it became LDR, it was really hard to keep it up.
	How long was it?
	How long was it long distance?
	Well, since he graduated, which was like after winter, I guess.
	So like maybe like seven months, but I did go back to South Korea to see him and then he also came to Seattle.
	It's a long time to do long distance stuff.
	Okay.
	What's the time difference between here and South Korea?
	So it's right now it's like five, right?
	So it's like 10 a.m. there.
	I think it's like 16 hours.
	Okay.
	That's a tough one.
	How did you said you guys met in college, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	I think that's all the questions I have for that.
	What about you, Emily?
	I'm single, and my longest relationship was six months.
	How long have you been single?
	About a year.
	One year?
	All right, six months.
	All right, cool.
	Let's go into the news article.
	Nick, if you're able to pull it up about Pearl.
	Yes, about Pearl.
	What'd you do?
	Pearl?
	Last episode, a girl stabbed her boyfriend.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, wow.
	Apparently, nothing.
	She claimed she threw a cup and then wrestled him on top of him and cut him with it.
	But the police report said that she stabbed him with a kitchen knife.
	She denied that.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Another super healthy relationship.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Not this article.
	Okay.
	Yeah, put this over there.
	I use this.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	They ruined Game of Thrones donated $100.
	Okay.
	Good to see extra Emily back.
	Have her on more.
	Chat ships you both BTW.
	Though if Brian and Emily had kids, they'd be pale as ghosts.
	Would you rather smash the hottest trans woman in the world or the oldest woman in the world?
	Hashtag Deus Vant.
	Maybe we save it for a little later.
	We save it for a little later later on in the show.
	Here, I'll pull it back up.
	Okay, we'll save it.
	We'll save it.
	Yeah, for the record, oldest woman in the world.
	I've stated it before.
	Allow me to state it again.
	Maybe we can get into that a little bit later.
	Okay.
	Well, let's do the article.
	All right.
	I use this hack to shame cheap men who want to split the bill.
	Guys say it's manipulative.
	Now, do you take issue with the title of this article?
	I would say that I said...
	Okay, hold on.
	One motorsport donated $100.
	Harip Hawk.
	That first chat was scuffed.
	Lot of recent breakups.
	Must be holiday season again.
	Time to shop for a new one.
	To the ladies, any shopping plans for the holidays season?
	A new man, perhaps?
	Anybody?
	i already got mine so she's are you you're the only one Okay, all right.
	Was it?
	He said the first chat was scuffed.
	Lots of recent breakups must be time to shop for a new game.
	The rule is actually, you shouldn't break up during the holiday seasons from, I think, Thanksgiving to Valentine's Day.
	Yeah.
	Or no, is it?
	I think it's, well, whose rule is this?
	I don't know.
	I just heard a thing like you just shouldn't break up.
	Actually, no, I think it's from Thanksgiving through the new year.
	And if you want, you can extend it through Valentine's Day, but Thanksgiving through New Year, you don't break up.
	I think that's the rule because bad time.
	That's the unofficial Brian rule.
	Don't break up during those time periods.
	Okay, let's get to the article.
	Thank you, Gridland.
	And I think you were saying, you feel like this is fair?
	Is it fair?
	Is it a fair title?
	I would say that it is inaccurate and in interpretation of the video that I posted.
	Why is it inaccurate?
	One, it wasn't a hack.
	It was not used to shame rich or cheap men.
	And maybe guys say it's manipulative is the truth in that.
	Well, let's read the article a bit and then we'll pull up the video.
	So, I don't know.
	Like, this is it's a lot of editorialism with the New York Post all the time, but this 100% genius hack will get 50-50 cheapos in check.
	Splitting the bill on a first date has become a topic of contention amongst singletons online, with dissenting views on whether a guy should be solely responsible for picking up the tab during the inaugural outer.
	Scroll up a little bit.
	Why don't they just call it?
	Scrollers scroll up.
	The inaugural output.
	But one shady dater, you're the shady dater.
	One shady dater has devised a deliciously devious trick that's sure to leave tight-fisted fellas with egg on their faces.
	Wow, this is quite an article.
	Oh my god.
	Curtis Underscorle on donated $100.
	Ladies, who would go on a date with Brian?
	Bro.
	It would be a great date with a candle-like dinner at Red Lobster.
	You bring the candles, and Brian will use words like, Bakers doesn't bake, sin, and chat.
	I loved Bohank SK.
	Party until 7 a.m. you want to increase the tts threshold uh we'll leave it for now but if should we just shelf them till after we're done with the article um We can.
	We'll go around the.
	Okay, he's asking, would you go on a date with me?
	A lot of you are single, so who would go on a date with Brian?
	Raise your hand.
	No takers.
	I don't know you.
	Here, we'll just.
	No.
	You can say yes or not.
	I'm not gonna be offended.
	I would go on a date.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think maybe, maybe I would.
	I don't have any tattoos, is that?
	You don't have to.
	Okay, I figure girls who like are heavily tattooed or do tattoos might prefer a guy who's tattooed, though.
	She can give you some tattoos, bro.
	She can tattoo her name on your leg.
	I'm okay with that.
	I'm learning.
	No.
	If it's like friendly, I guess.
	But I guess that's not friendly.
	Into the mic.
	Oh, sorry, if it's friendly.
	Well, you don't only be friends with him.
	Are you friend zoning him right now?
	No, I did not.
	You got a friend zone?
	You just got friend zone.
	Shit.
	Can't win.
	Oh, no.
	Oh.
	Chase, what about you?
	Oh, I would go on a date with you, bro.
	Let's fucking go.
	Let's go, G, we're back.
	Yes, we're so back.
	The bromance is real.
	All right, that counts.
	Hold the article back.
	If you want to get the rest of it.
	Yeah, when a man wants to go 50-50 on a date with you, do this.
	Began going out guru, Pearl Bots.
	You're a guru.
	An aspiring singer from LA in a trending TikTok how-to, advising all the single ladies on best practices for politely jabbing a prospective partner who expects them to be aware of it.
	Let's watch the video.
	Let's just watch the video, Nick.
	If you could pull it up.
	What an article.
	Yeah.
	When a man wants to go 50-50 with you on a date, do this.
	Oh my God.
	I'm so embarrassed right now.
	Wait, you wanted to just be friends?
	I'm so confused.
	This whole entire time, I thought this was a date.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, I'm so sorry.
	Here's my card.
	Here's my card.
	And so that went viral.
	Yes, it did.
	How viral?
	Got like 8 million views, I think, on TikTok, right?
	Yeah, I think it's, yeah.
	When a man wants, when a man wants.
	What was the, Nick's getting the guillotine.
	What was.
	What was the response to it, like in terms of the comments and stuff?
	Were you getting hate?
	Were you getting support?
	Definitely a lot of both.
	I've gotten a lot of horrible emails, lots of really bad DMs telling me I should do all kinds of stuff.
	I've been called every racial slur.
	I've been threats, like literally an insane amount of all kinds of different things.
	What's the worst thing anybody said to you?
	I mean, I don't know if I'm even allowed to say it on here.
	Am I?
	Maybe don't.
	Yeah.
	It's pretty like not according to any kinds of guidelines that you have.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Don't worry about it.
	But people have been mean.
	Yeah, a lot of like also just like stupid.
	You're the worst woman on the internet.
	Like just kind of like, that's like the more tame stuff, I would say.
	What I saw, though, when I looked at some of the comments on the video, you do have some negative comments, but it does actually seem predominantly from women that you actually, a lot of women co-sign what you said.
	Would you agree with that?
	A lot of women seem to agree.
	I've been called genius a lot of times too.
	Genius.
	I've also been called a philosopher.
	Ooh, philosopher.
	Dating.
	So, yeah.
	I mean, a lot of positive things, too.
	But really, like, whenever you make any kind of content, you can't take anything too seriously, either from the good side or the bad side.
	Like, any, you just have to be yourself, and people are going to comment.
	And it's kind of cool that it, you know, gained a lot of traction.
	And, like, because this kind of topic isn't necessarily the thing that I care about the most.
	There's a lot of other things that I care about talking about the most, but, you know, having a bigger audience is always cool.
	And I do have opinions about dating and stuff.
	So, yeah.
	Have you ever pulled that move on a date?
	No, I've never had to.
	Like, I don't really go on dates where, well, basically, ever since I decided internally that the energy I wanted to bring was to find the kind of person who is like a lifelong partner, like somebody who could be the potential father of my children.
	Like, when I had that mindset, I just brought different energy to the places I go.
	And the men who approach me, you know, if I don't vibe with their energy, then I don't go out with them.
	The people who I do vibe with, they just don't have that kind of energy.
	People always take care of the bill.
	I've never had that issue since I decided that.
	Never, like, never.
	Since I decided.
	Oh, since you decided to.
	I have had experiences, many experiences with people who went 50-50.
	And why I made this video is because when I grew in self-confidence and self-worth, and because of the work that I've done on myself, because I do think that there are a lot of women who expect to be treated like princesses or queens or not do anything, but they themselves are not doing the inner work or becoming the person of character or becoming somebody who could attract that kind of a person, but expect that kind of a treatment.
	So I do think that there's a lot of responsibility on the woman to become like that.
	And if you're attracting men who are wanting to split the bill with you and who are getting mad at you or whatever, all these people in the comments who are like telling me I'm a horrible person or using them for their money, I'm like, well, you're telling me we would also never, I would never go out with somebody like you.
	Like your energy, I probably wouldn't connect with.
	And also this video wasn't necessarily supposed to be a hack or advice.
	It was more like a skit to illustrate a point.
	I don't really think that you should do this because I do think that it can be, you know, shaming towards men.
	And I don't want to shame men at all for anything.
	And I do think that sometimes men are overvalued for their income, just like women are overvalued for like their physical appearance or for sex.
	There's, oh, did you have something?
	I mean, you said a lot of things that I actually agree with.
	I wasn't expecting that from you.
	I have, I have, not, not to, like, not to shit on you or whatever.
	No, I don't.
	That's right.
	When I watched that video, I was expecting like a serious princess complex.
	That was actually a pretty good answer.
	And I think that, you know, we have to all take this into consideration when we're watching things on social media.
	It's like, it was a 30-second clip of like a very small piece of how I think and who I am.
	And of course, nobody is going to do all of the research, go through like all of the other content that I have.
	Like nobody really knows you.
	And honestly, like the sensationalism of this one clip has kind of made me rethink what journalism in general is about, like with more serious topics.
	If this kind of a silly video is getting blown out of proportion and like making people think all these types of things about me based off not what I said, but of other people's interpretation of it, like how much more serious is our understanding of reality with like actual news?
	Like it, I don't know, it caused me to reflect, you know?
	That's a good point.
	I mean, the purpose of journalism nowadays because of internet advertising and generating clicks is to make things as sensational as possible, which is kind of warping our entire perspective of reality.
	Did you have, I have some stuff about what you said.
	Did you have anything you wanted to say about her?
	Well, there's, I think, three other videos of yours that we thought were interesting.
	Sure.
	worthy of being pulled up and certainly the uh grid one motorsports donated $100 surprisingly based there Question for the panel.
	Are you a feminist?
	And if so, what does that mean to you?
	We'll go around the table on that.
	Do you consider yourself a feminist and what does that mean to you?
	I do consider myself a feminist.
	What does that mean?
	A feminist to me means that it's a recognition that there is inequality in the ways in which women and men are treated and that there's a history of inequality.
	And it's the fight to reconcile those differences, not so that men and women are the same, but that they're given the same opportunities.
	And so you think like women should have to register for the draft, for example?
	Because you believe in equality between the sexes.
	So you think should women be able to be drafted for the military?
	No, I don't.
	I think that there's a difference between sameness and fairness.
	I think sameness says, yes, women should be drafted in the military just like men should.
	Fairness is understanding that women can be taken advantage in ways that men will not be taken advantage of, like sexually.
	Women can be also can be just taken advantage of in that way too.
	So that's true.
	That's true.
	But given like the history of what it is to be a woman, it seems like women have more abuse when it comes to that.
	And women are also more susceptible.
	And we're also like the physically weaker sex.
	And so, yeah, and also our hormones are very different, like in the way in which there's very, I don't even know if all the women here at this table really understand like the Infraredian rhythm.
	Like, because we're not taught about our cycle and the different hormones that we go through in a 28-day cycle.
	Yes, we know about our periods, but we don't, a lot of us are just now learning about like the follicular phase, the luteal phase, like and how all of these different hormones affect our emotions and understanding all that.
	Like there's a lack of knowledge and understanding when it comes to being a woman in general.
	So yeah.
	Okay, to back up a second, with your sameness and fairness thing, to be honest with you, it kind of sounds to me like you want equality as long as it's benefiting women, but when it's not benefiting women and men can take the brunt of it, you're like, that's cool.
	Like, I'm fine with that.
	Yeah.
	How do you see that?
	Well, I mean, if we lived in like a properly feminist world, there wouldn't be affirmative action initiatives to put more women in positions of like workplace positions and in academic positions.
	If we had a truly equal world, women, like I said, would get drafted into the military.
	Like, I think if feminists want to truly fight for equality, it's like, put your money where your mouth is.
	But if you only want equality when it's benefiting you, then it's not, you don't actually want equality.
	You just want a world that benefits women more often.
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	I don't understand why men are confused about playing the provider role.
	Women get pregnant and for the better part of a year they are more or less immobilized and dependent on their partner.
	Gender roles exist for a reason.
	It's not that hard to figure.
	If it's too much for too long, we'll boost it.
	I think you're about to respond.
	Thank you, Saint.
	To this.
	To what I just said.
	So do you want me to specifically address?
	It just seems to me like feminists want equality where it benefits them, but when it comes to actual equality, like working all of the roughest jobs in the world, for example, that are extremely dangerous and high risk.
	Like when it comes to those jobs, feminists never want equality there.
	They only want equality in the places where it benefits them.
	But when men have to pick up the rest of the slack, they're like, yep, that's fine.
	Like, we don't want equality there.
	You go do that, men.
	You know, it's like, I don't think you actually want equality.
	I think you just want more benefits for women.
	If you're defining equality as equal outcomes throughout society.
	Equal outcomes throughout society.
	Equal opportunity?
	No.
	Yeah, women talk about wanting equality throughout society, but if you're, I think equality is a tough term because if by equality you're if you want, do you want equal opportunity instead?
	I think I, whatever you're talking about, like defining equality as do you want equality of outcome or equality of opportunity?
	I would say that I don't think that women are fighting for, okay, so.
	Do you want equality of outcome or equality of opportunity?
	Because I'm talking about equality of outcome.
	But if you want what many feminists want, which is equality of opportunity, I guess the question I have is, what opportunities do I have that you don't?
	Okay, I would say that this is how I would respond to that answer.
	I think that, you know, telling you we should raise the money.
	Well, that was short-lived.
	Men are more likely to be sick than women.
	Women have rights men do not have.
	Men have no parental rights.
	Feminism has failed you.
	How can the patriarchy help you today?
	If it does it, like more, we'll boost it.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I think that women were in a position for a very long time where we were being treated very horribly, and we still are in positions where we're treated very unfairly and very horribly.
	Wow, how so?
	Well, also, what evidence do you have that throughout history, broadly speaking, all women or most women were treated, I think, did you say poorly or unfairly?
	I think she said horribly.
	Horribly.
	Yeah, it's not clear to me if women were specifically because of their gender or just because they were women or happened to be women that they were treated horribly.
	I mean, there were people who were being burned at the stake because someone called them witch.
	Salem witch child.
	Yeah, like that, I would say that men who were enslaved and forced into conscripted labor and military service that women were protected from.
	Yeah, I'm not saying it wasn't bad for men, but I would say that there are just, yeah.
	I think before we continue, because the initial question was asking everybody if you consider yourself a feminist, why don't we just go around the table, get everybody's answer to that?
	Do you consider yourself a feminist, and what does that mean to you?
	Yes.
	And to me, I think that means equal opportunity.
	Also outcome, though, right?
	Because honestly, at the end of the day, if a woman does want to be drafted or does want to go fight for our country, why not let her?
	Yeah.
	It's not about women not being able to serve.
	It's more that men have to register for the selective service and women don't have to.
	I think the argument is, like, might as well then make it equal, though, right?
	Do you think women should be drafted for the military?
	In order to prove this point, sure, we can say that just because.
	I think that's a terrible idea.
	I mean, but the thing is.
	I'm for it.
	Unfortunately, I don't want my daughters getting drafted.
	Well, yeah, hey, wait, but anatomy-wise, like Pearl was saying, we're born not as strong upper body-wise.
	Like, for example, like I knew this one lady, I forget her name, but she was like this karate instructor.
	And I saw her do more push-ups than all these men that were like jacked.
	But the way she had to work so much harder to get it like that than them, because it is a little bit like naturally easier for a man to bulk up doing upper body stuff without.
	It's just like, yeah, right.
	So I feel like when it comes to you're addressing a lot of physical jobs, right?
	So I feel like in now flipping the script of like a lot of caregiver jobs, I feel like women have.
	And you guys can't give birth.
	We can never give you that, like as a thing to do.
	Like we will always be the person to bear a child and go through that and put our bodies through that.
	So it's like, at the end of the day, complete equal everything is technically not possible if you're talking about physical jobs, physical things, because anatomy-wise, genetically, we are different.
	So it's like, there's only so far that argument, we're going to reach a ceiling with that stuff.
	But when it comes to opportunity, like, and what Pearl was saying, I feel like going off of that, as I, I'm in the music industry, I go to a lot of talks, I see a lot of women that have gained very, very powerful roles in the music industry, but it's like one in five on the panel where there's like an A ⁇ R that's a woman and the way she explains how she got there and how she, you know, a lot of the time is in a room full of men.
	And it takes a very, I think, well-rounded, educated group of people to, when a woman speaks up in the room, treat her and respect her word just as much as a man.
	I think I do see that a lot.
	And sometimes it's subconscious as well.
	So I think it's bringing everything to a conscious state of when a woman speaks and a man speaks at an equal educational level.
	Let's say you respect both their word evenly.
	Like that is what feminism is to me.
	And do you think that because there you used female A ⁇ R, what is that's something repertoire, something in repertoire?
	What does that mean?
	And ANR works at a label and kind of like scouts new talent, listens to music.
	What does it stand for, though?
	I think it's blank.
	I forgot what the A stands for, but it's blank in repertoire.
	Do you think that this discrepancy is due to sexism?
	Somewhat, maybe.
	Do you think the fact that, for example, that women earn more in modeling or that women earn more in the sex work industry, do you think that that's evidence of sexism against men?
	I mean, I don't know much.
	I don't know.
	I mean, maybe.
	Yeah, and I do want to go around the table, get everyone's answer on this, just to add on one thing.
	Do you think, for example, women's NBA or women's soccer, the fact that they get paid less or women's tennis, for example?
	I think that's unfair.
	Do you think that that's unfair or evidence of sexism?
	I mean, I do, because if I'm looking at the work that a person does, like if a female soccer player, why is she not getting paid just as much as male soccer players?
	Do you want to know the answer to that?
	Well, I know.
	Maybe we have everyone else give their take on that.
	So here, let's go around the table.
	Are you feminist?
	What does that mean to you?
	What do you think about women getting paid less in the WNBA, soccer, athletic fields, et cetera?
	I'm not a feminist.
	I definitely like more traditional.
	Based.
	But I guess for me, I think in today's world, like men just like, they want that kind of woman without being like the type of man that deserves that kind of woman, right?
	It's like if you want me to rub your feet, make your food, wash your clothes, all that stuff, but yet you're not providing for me.
	You're not even giving me like your, you're not even making me a priority, right?
	So I don't know.
	I guess I feel like that part is like lost on, I don't know, this generation.
	You want a traditional world where women can be traditional and the men are also traditional.
	And they're actually living up to those values.
	Definitely.
	Like if I had a man that was actually living up to those values, I would.
	Not a dude who's like afraid to go into the dispensary.
	I'm going to be clear.
	He's not a bad guy.
	He's not.
	He's, yeah, just different personalities.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But a feminist is someone, I think, who believes in women's rights and really advocates for them, right?
	I'm just unfortunately don't, I wouldn't consider myself one.
	And I think that the WNBA don't get it because it's like views, right?
	Like there's way more views for the NBA.
	So it's like the money that people are putting into it.
	It's like not as much.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would you consider yourself a feminist?
	I don't think I would consider myself a feminist.
	I support women, but I guess I just don't identify with the current feminist values.
	Why is that?
	I feel like modern feminism.
	I mean, I'm totally cool not getting drafted.
	I don't want to get drafted.
	As you should be.
	I do not want to.
	I'm okay with not being completely equal.
	I think it works out better.
	Yeah, it's good for a society to protect its women from war.
	I think so.
	We shouldn't send them into the meat grinder.
	I don't.
	I don't want to go.
	I think that's totally fair and reasonable as well.
	They want to go to war, though.
	But that's not always happening.
	I'm kidding.
	But yeah, I support women.
	But I'm cool not being totally, completely, like, equal.
	Okay.
	That's fine with me.
	Cool.
	How about yourself?
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I'm going to preface this by saying that I am not educated in the matter, but I am more like Jacqueline where I'm very traditional.
	I am very also, which is kind of like contradictory, I'm also very independent.
	Like I have my own full-time job.
	I don't need a man to rely on for, you know, money or anything.
	But also at the same time, I'm just very, I grew up traditional, so I don't know anything else, to be quite honest.
	Sweet.
	Cool.
	How about yourself?
	I'm not a feminist.
	I do believe in equal opportunity, but I don't think that it makes sense for us to advocate for that in today's society.
	Why are you not a feminist?
	Because women already have all the opportunities men have.
	Do you feel like feminism was a healthy movement?
	Do you feel like it's become unhealthy at this point?
	Yeah, it's toxic.
	Why is it toxic?
	Because it's making men feminine and women masculine.
	So true.
	So true.
	How about yourself?
	I don't think I'm a feminist, but I wouldn't consider myself traditional because I wouldn't want to stay home.
	I think both genders should have like kind of like if they're smart and if they're really good at like coding for example, then I think they should get into coding.
	But I don't think if you're like not qualified for the job, I don't think you should be selected just because you're like a woman or a man.
	So you feel like if a woman's qualified for a job, she should be able to get it?
	Yeah, if she's actually qualified.
	Do you intend on having a family someday?
	Yeah, of course.
	Do you want to have kids?
	Yeah.
	Would you want to keep working while you're pregnant and stuff?
	Well, I code.
	I can just code at home.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	How about yourself, Emily?
	Feminist?
	No, I wouldn't consider myself a feminist.
	I don't really like the new wave.
	I mean, people talk about like third wave, fourth wave feminism.
	There's just like too many.
	I feel like women already have all of the equal opportunity that we need and that we wanted.
	But now it's begun to like take this sort of turn where it's like we want to support all women, but it's not women we're always supporting.
	So I would say I'd rather protect women and no, I don't want to get drafted.
	What do you mean it's not always women who you're supporting, Emily?
	So I'd say I see more.
	Are you telling me it hurts women for trans women to go into their bathrooms?
	Is that what you're telling me right now?
	Yeah, I think it hurts women for feminists to support that movement because you're putting women in an unsafe situation nine times out of ten.
	And yeah, most often than not, I see the feminists supporting that kind of thing.
	So I wouldn't really identify myself with that.
	Are you telling me that feminism has gone way too far?
	Yeah, it's not even like the same thing it was back in the 60s or anything.
	Are you telling me it's low-key destroying our modern world?
	I think you're pretty bass, yeah.
	We're back.
	We're back.
	Where'd you want to take it from there?
	Let's see.
	Well, that was the chat.
	So there was.
	You want to talk about why WNBA plays?
	Yeah, I need to give these.
	Here, maybe you guys can pass these down to give one to Tiffany and give one to anonymous discussion.
	You're causing my tism to flare up.
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	Change your shirt so you don't have a floating head on the background.
	Bring it to the bottom.
	Yeah, it's like I look like I'm blending in.
	I'm like camouflaged.
	It's camo.
	I'm gonna go wear an orange jumpsuit.
	Jesus is the way.
	All right, for Kaisiniertism to act up anonymous.
	Anyways, to go back to the WNBA thing, your position is one that I've heard many, many women say.
	And especially, like, you can look at the women's soccer team, the national women's soccer team for the USA.
	They're always like talking about how unfair it is that they get paid less money.
	The reason why it's like that is because sports and sports broadcasting is a business.
	And the reality is far less people want to watch women play soccer.
	It's not like there's like Grid One Motorsports donated $100.
	Okay, Chase, last one.
	Sorry, it throws you off.
	Ladies that think you are feminist, please try and understand that men value you, but feminism must devalue men.
	That's true.
	Curious what qualities do you look for in a man?
	Here, we'll come back to write that question down.
	We'll come back to that.
	Yeah, but it ultimately comes down to like there's not like a governmental organization that's like we're gonna pay them this much.
	For sure.
	The teams play, there's advertisers that pay advertising money, and then they get like, it's a business, they get a cut of that.
	But I also think it's because men for so long have been in a position of power and have been looked at as like the more physical, whatever, are the ones who go out and work, are the ones who do sports, are the ones who do this.
	So they have more years of it being socially acceptable.
	So it's like I hate to burst your bubbles.
	I think it's that complicated.
	But related to that, go underscore aunt underscore the underscore TBL underscore yes underscore or underscore no donated $99.
	Be honest, do UTHNK it's possible that men outperform women in hierarchies not involving sex plus beauty not because of sexism, but because men have to acquire power and resources to attract women and so invest more hours, effort and energy on competence.
	It's actually a really good point because there is a mating pressure on men to because there's a lot of women who want men to be providers, but there's not a lot of men who want women to be providers ergo.
	There's a larger cohort of women who in a partner desire a guy who can provide a guy who makes good money.
	Therefore, couldn't you make the argument that if there's this massive pressure from the opposite sex for men to make money, that they're probably going to want, like have a more of a performance pressure.
	There's a half performance.
	We have to perform.
	See, that's the thing.
	Women, oftentimes, almost always, are selected by men because of their physical appearance, their personality, their energy, so on and so forth.
	Women, generally speaking, don't really select men based on just their physical appearance.
	Obviously, women care about personality.
	Every woman likes a funny man, for example, and a guy with confidence.
	But men, in order to, you know, really secure a woman, we have to perform.
	We have to make money.
	We have to be able to provide, especially if you want a traditional woman.
	Like, we have to perform in society and provide value.
	So there's like competition, right?
	And the men who are performing the highest typically get the most attractive women, right?
	This is why like the celebrities, the athletes, all of these like wealthy businessmen, they have the greatest selection when it comes to women.
	So there's like a huge, there's a huge competition among men to perform at the highest levels possible.
	But women don't have to compete in that same way in order to lock down a partner.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Which is kind of what drives this inequality throughout society.
	Like you have one of the factors.
	Yeah, it's one of the factors.
	Like you have, think about like all the billionaires in the world.
	They're almost all men.
	Because men, we have this, you know, we were talking about hormones before.
	Men have the hormone testosterone.
	This makes us competitive.
	It makes us aggressive.
	Because of the hormone testosterone, you often have like super driven men that are like extremely focused on their career and bringing value to society.
	And they become obsessed with their careers.
	And they make billions of dollars and they rise to the top of the hierarchy.
	And dudes are driven to do this for any number of reasons.
	Oftentimes, pulling in the best women is one of those motivating factors, whether or not men are conscious of it.
	So you have this natural thing that's driving massive inequality in society that just exists in nature.
	And I don't think it's because of sexism that that exists.
	I think it's just because of human nature.
	You guys think that's fair?
	I think that is fair.
	Yeah.
	I think that that is fair.
	It's the same pressure that women feel to be as beautiful as they possibly can.
	Exactly.
	And so it's the exact same pressure.
	So if I say, if men are like, well, you don't have to wear makeup, you don't have to buy all this stuff.
	It's like, well, I don't have to, but I do.
	I have to outperform other women with my beauty in order to attract the kind of man who's performing to be whatever, have the most resources or whatever, because men are valued for their resources and women are valued for their beauty.
	That's absolutely correct.
	That's biology.
	That's how we're made.
	Go ahead.
	You had something?
	Sorry, really quick.
	Can I say something before that, though?
	I think what there's many different forms of feminism, but I think the reason that the feminist movement had to happen, although yes, it can be extreme, is because men abused that power and because they created the structure of the workforce to benefit them.
	Yes, maybe in an ideal world, if men like protected women and we didn't have to suffer like and like be scared every time I went outside, I carry pepper spray everywhere I go just in case.
	And we hear all of these stories that are like, I'm being put in danger.
	I need a man to protect me from other men.
	Who knows what a society would be like if there wasn't that kind of abuse?
	And I'm not saying that women don't do anything, but I'm saying we're just all fucked up and we need each other to help like us balance the scales.
	And for a really long time, like there was just this huge inequality as far as like safety goes.
	So I think women are saying like, I need to feel safe.
	Like, so I need some power.
	I need some financial power because these men are like making me feel unsafe.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So that's why we kind of needed that feminist.
	Well, I think women are much less safe now than they were under the protection of a man who actually loved them.
	I think nowadays you have so many strong, independent women out there that are like boss babes and they're out there working and they're walking alone late at night throughout major cities and they don't have a man who's protecting them and these women get assaulted, you know?
	Like, whereas back in the day throughout traditional, what you might call patriarchal societies, women were accompanied by men, oftentimes where they would go because yes, the world is a brutal place.
	It always has been throughout all of human history.
	I would argue that women were oftentimes safer back then.
	I would also argue, too, what you call, or what many feminists call like liberation and bringing women into the workforce so that they could get their independence.
	And this is something that they secured for their own good.
	I would plant the seed.
	Oh, my God.
	It's like it's killing.
	Copy Kiko, please.
	You carry mates because of feminism.
	Men used to protect women, but you have shamed them into being soy boys.
	Realize that men are not the evil you want them to be.
	What's this?
	Copy Kiko.
	We should raise it to like 150 so we can have conversation go on for more than two minutes.
	Maybe Grid, if you can give us 30 minutes just to get through this conversation.
	I think, you know, I hear a lot of women talk about how they secured independence through joining the workforce, and there's an argument to be made there.
	I also think this idea of like liberation and empowerment through working, like, you know, I talked about this on the last episode.
	Read Alexander Tocqueville's writings.
	Like the women of the 1800s in America, they did not see themselves by and large as oppressed.
	Like they knew where their domain was and that that was in the home and it was they had pride in mastering that.
	And they raised awesome families and they were awesome wives and there was dignity in that position.
	Like to be a great homemaker, it's a very, it's a very important role, right?
	I think getting women out of that position and into the workforce for the people at the top who run this whole society, now all of a sudden you have twice the amount of people that are working in industry to support this entire capitalist superstructure and then paying taxes.
	It's possible that what you call women's liberation has actually been exploiting women as taxpayers when they might be much happier at home as wives and homemakers.
	Have you thought about that?
	They might be.
	I can't speak for every woman, but I do think that there are some women who just want to work and they want to have that option to work.
	And I think that there just should be that option.
	Because I mean, I'm somebody who, yes, I want to be a mother.
	Yes, I want to have a husband.
	I do want to have children.
	That is a desire of mine.
	But some people do not.
	And I also have a desire to have a successful business just because I want to prove that to myself.
	I like working, I guess.
	Like, I don't know about the traditional workforce, but like, I want to make money for myself.
	Like, I want to be able to leave a relationship if it's not good.
	So I want to have that option.
	And I think before it was kind of forced upon women to choose a certain way.
	And I think women were like, well, just in case I want to have an option.
	Has it gone to an extreme measure?
	I think in some cases, yes.
	When you say you want to be able to work so you have the option to choose to leave a relationship, do you mean in the context of marriage?
	Any kind of relationship where I might be dependent on a man to support me.
	Okay.
	Do you want like a traditionally masculine man?
	Kind of sounded like.
	How do you define traditional masculine man?
	Well, I mean, do you want like a 21st century kind of like metro feminine guy or do you want like a you know strong masculine man who's like the leader in the relationship?
	Like what kind of guy do you want?
	What are the qualities of a traditional masculine man?
	Like break it down.
	You tell me what kind of man.
	I'll tell you what kind of man I want.
	I want somebody who where there's like mutual support and whatever we feel like our purpose is on earth.
	I yes, I think for me personally, because I do want to have children.
	I do want a man who, if you know, we decided to have children.
	It wouldn't be like financially burdensome for us to have children and I get to choose like, depending on how much money I'm making at the time, depending whatever, like what kind of man, like what his finances are, are or whatever, how many, how much resources are.
	What do you mean?
	No sorry, I get to choose the what, the kind of man I choose, like I can look at who, their finances and then choose according to that, depending on my situation as well.
	Okay, you know what I'm saying.
	Like yeah no, it totally makes sense.
	I mean, I'm hearing, you know, it sounds like you want things relatively equal in the relationship in many ways in terms of the power dynamic and stuff, and you also want equal power dynamics and a lot of equality throughout society.
	Correct, I don't want.
	I feel like women should feel empowered to make the choices that best serve them.
	Okay, that's not an answer to my question earlier in the conversation.
	You know, we've been having this conversation in the context of equality in society and you're telling me that you want, like understandably, an equivalence and the power dynamic with the relationship.
	You want to be making your money, you want him to be making his.
	You guys want to be able to mutually support one another, correct?
	Um yes, but if I do have a child, I do want to have the option to not have to work, okay.
	So if you want all of this equality throughout society, but also in your relationship why do you not want equality when it comes to splitting the bill?
	Um well, how are you defining equality?
	Equality is equality when it comes to splitting the bill.
	Like I pay 50, you pay 50.
	Uh again, I don't think that equality means that you do the same thing.
	I think it means that you bring equal value to the relationship, or equal value to whatever the situation is.
	Wait, can I say something?
	So if it, if that means you both bring equal value, would that mean you would also pay rent, like half the rent?
	Or would you expect your partner to pay like full rent groceries, everything like that, even if you're working at the same time?
	Um, I haven't been in a situation where I I wouldn't go into a relationship where I would expect my man to pay the rent and pay for all that stuff.
	If i'm pregnant, if i'm pregnant um, I mean, I think it just depends on your financial situation and who you are with.
	But i'm not opposed to going 50, 50 with rent, like if we make like equal amounts of money or whatever.
	I wouldn't be opposed to sharing.
	I ideally wouldn't choose that.
	I would ideally like to not have to work.
	But we don't live in a society where, like you can, I mean you can, you can attract whoever you want whatever, choose whatever you want.
	But no, that wouldn't be like I have to have it or i'm not going to be with you.
	If, if.
	But it depends on their energy, it depends on their ambition.
	You know.
	If like, their desire is to do that, their desire is to provide, to give me whatever he possibly can to take care of me, to make me feel at ease.
	That energy is more of what i'm looking for than like, an actual number.
	Okay, so let's say you meet a guy and he's like yo, I want to provide for you, I want to take care of you.
	He's happy to pay for the bill on the first date and the subsequent dates and he's like this whole, like you having a business thing and like going and working out in the world.
	I don't really want you to do that, but I am going to take care of you and you trust him and he wants to you to be like a stay-at-home mom.
	Would you be open to that?
	I would ask, why don't you want me to work?
	Well, I can answer is as a guy who wants a wife who's a stay-at-home mom, why would I want my wife out in the world working for some random guy when she could be home with me?
	Like, I have my own business, you know?
	Like, I want my woman with me cooking for me, being there to support me, to take care of me, to hang out with.
	That's something women are very, very good at when they dedicate themselves to it.
	Why would I want my woman out there working at some corporation or whatever when she could be home with me?
	Why would I want her to do that?
	Yeah.
	Well, for me, if I'm working some job just to make money, then I totally get that argument because it's.
	You're going, if a guy wanted to do that for you and he wanted to take care of you in that way, would you be open to it?
	I would say that the reason that I do the work that I do is because it develops me as a human being and it makes me possible to get a straight answer.
	No, I think you wouldn't be okay.
	I like to do the book.
	Can I chime in?
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Because there's no way I will never not be pursuing my dream and career.
	If you've got a job, I'm an artist.
	I have to do that.
	I've donated $100.
	Sorry for interrupting, but this relates to the convo.
	Ladies, would you rather be a boss baby woman who goes 50-50 in finances or be a trad wife/slash zombie who serves her family and husband?
	Also, do you think you're deserving of a high-value man?
	We'll go around the table on that.
	Go ahead.
	You want to be a stay-at-home mom or not?
	You said no.
	Do you believe you're deserving of a high-value man?
	Hold on, I don't understand the question.
	He's saying, Do you want to be a boss babe or do you want to be a stay-at-home mom?
	Oh, stay-at-home mom.
	I think that you answered the question already.
	You don't want to be a stay-at-home mom.
	I would like to be a stay-at-home mom for a part of my life, yes.
	Okay, while you're pregnant, do you believe you're deserving of a high-value man?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And I get to deem whatever that is.
	Okay, what about you?
	Not going to stay home.
	Yes, I'm deserving of a deserving of a high-value man.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would totally stay home too.
	I'd be cool doing that.
	Well, what is defined as a high-value man?
	It's a good question.
	That's a good question.
	I mean, value is in the eye of the beholder.
	Value is in the eye of the beholder.
	But, like, generally speaking, you've got slobs in this world, and then you've got dudes that are on top of their business that can provide and snap necks and cash checks.
	I would say that's a high-value man.
	You know, a man with confidence who can get things done.
	Then, yes, I think I definitely deserve a high-value man.
	I would be a stay-at-home mom in a millisecond.
	And yes, I believe that I am deserving of a high-value man.
	I don't want to be a stay-at-home mom, and I think I'm deserving of a high-value man.
	Okay.
	Hold up!
	Sarah says, I didn't mean to press that.
	Go ahead.
	I think it would depend on the man, to be honest.
	If they make twice as much as me, then I would be a stay-at-home mom.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	How much you're a software engineer in Seattle, right?
	I mean, software engineers, that's typically a very high-earning job.
	So I don't know if you're at liberty to.
	You make six figures.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you're 23?
	23, yes.
	23?
	Six killers.
	Pretty good.
	Good job.
	Yeah, software engineers make good money.
	So you need a guy to make, what, like 300K for you to be a stay-at-home mom?
	Yeah, and I feel like I would be a good stay-at-home mom.
	Just that I want to be like comfortably living.
	So if I could stay at home and also do my work anyway.
	So it really depends on the financial situation.
	Sure.
	Yes, I would.
	I don't want to have children unless I have the option of staying home and being with them.
	I think children deserve their mom at home until like they're teenagers.
	So, yeah, and I think I do deserve my value man.
	Okay.
	Ms. Lux, thank you very much for the chat.
	Appreciate it.
	I think you were about to, I don't know if you recall your point.
	You were about to come in on, or you had come in on something.
	You had more to add.
	Okay, I think, well, I was.
	You're saying you never want to give up your dreams.
	Yeah, no way.
	No way.
	And the way you were talking about men.
	Oh, my.
	Bro, I'm telling you.
	Chase face it, equality is whatever copy Kiko says it is.
	Divorce attorneys will be the only winners in her future.
	Copy Kiko.
	Men do not value your money.
	We value your femininity.
	Ingo.
	A man you will want will not want you.
	Apologies.
	Can you scoot into the table a little bit?
	You're just getting caught up.
	Yeah, before you go on, I want to hear what you have to say, but the point that he's making kind of touches on what that last super chat was.
	Pretty much every woman at this table just said that you all deserve a high-value man.
	High-value men look for high-value women.
	High-value women have femininity to offer a man.
	Support, help.
	Nietzsche said, you know, a man's happiness is I will.
	A woman's happiness is he will, right?
	I've found that the healthiest relationships I've had in my life were when a woman looked at me as kind of like the hero in her life and she really admired me and looked up to me and my dreams and goals and vision were her dreams and goals and vision.
	And when there's tension there, it kind of, you know, it can tear at the relationship, right?
	High value men typically are very driven.
	They're like, they're focused.
	They're confident.
	They're on a mission in the world.
	If you have your own mission that's fighting with his and there's conflict there, like not a lot of high-value men want that.
	High-value men want women in their lives that make their lives easier, who they feel supported by, so on and so forth.
	But if, you know, if a woman's like, no, you know, I want to go work and I want to go do all these things and like, you know, you can go take care of your stuff, but I'm going to go take care of my stuff.
	Like, I think it's worth asking, is the kind of man that you guys are looking for?
	What if the dreams are aligned?
	Well, then that's a different story.
	If you guys have a mutual passion, a shared passion, and the same vision and mission, that's a different story.
	You know, then you guys can partner in that way.
	Someone I know, a man named Michael Foster, or no, I think it was actually Jordan Peterson who said this.
	He said that the best marriages can only have, don't quote me on this, this might not be Jordan Peterson, but somebody recently said the best marriages only have one career under the household, right?
	When you have two careers, two separate missions, this can create conflict.
	And typically the highest value men in society, like they need a support system.
	They need a partner, you know.
	And they don't have a lot of tolerance for women that aren't bringing that like raw, supportive femininity to the table.
	Also, men want to come home after a long day of work and just vent and the woman be there to be like the shoulder to cry on.
	Like, hey, how was your day at work?
	And they should be comfortable enough to be like, you know what, work sucked today.
	Yes.
	And the woman should always be, well, not always, but in a perfect relationship, I guess, they would be, the man would be, you know what?
	This is what happened.
	And the girl's like, okay, well, what are we going to do about it?
	Yes.
	How are we going to fix the problem?
	Not how are you going to fix the problem so that way I can go and do this.
	Yes.
	Like it.
	May I add something?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
	Like as a man on a mission in life, like the thing, the thing about high-performing men, like there's our lives are stressful.
	There's hard stuff, hard problems that we have to figure out on a daily basis.
	And as career woman, I'm sure you guys understand the stresses that come with your career, right?
	I know that when I come home from work, especially if I have kids, if I've spent a hard day snapping necks and cashing checks, I want to come home to my wife in the most feminine mood possible.
	And I'm like, like you said, like I want to be able to come home and vent and her just be like, come here, baby, let me take care of you.
	But if you're in a position where you've had the stresses from your life and you come home and he comes home and you don't have that feminine energy to bring your man, what is there for him to support him in the relationship?
	And if you need that supportive energy from him, like if you want a really high-value man, like you have to ask yourself, are you going to be able to get the support that you're looking for from him?
	Is he going to need it from you?
	Will you be able to provide that to him?
	If you can't provide that feminine energy to him, what is it that you're offering him?
	You know?
	Speak to that.
	And then I want to go back to you.
	Do you want to go first?
	Do you want to go first?
	I feel like in response to that, I get what you're saying.
	And I think if we're asking for more in this way, I understand that it gives and take.
	I think relationships, a really great relationship, is give and take.
	It's reading the room, seeing what that partner needs at that time versus that partner, because it shouldn't be one-sided where the man's always venting and the women can never vent.
	Venting is just, so, yeah, and I get what you're saying.
	In a good relationship, both people are going to be there to support one another.
	Exactly.
	And I feel like just because I'm saying I want to work and I have a passion doesn't mean I can't also be feminine and support my husband or whatever.
	And the way you're taught, and the thing is, too, I can't generalize for all women.
	You can't generalize for all men.
	Everyone's very individual, very unique, very different, blah, blah, blah.
	But the way you're talking about high-level men and being so driven about their career is exactly how I feel about my career.
	And I like, like, that's my life.
	That's everything to me.
	That is my first love.
	That's my passion.
	And to have a partner that will respect that, because I'll be able to respect him because I know the feeling so well.
	And I know how it feels to be so passionate where you live, eat, and breathe the thing you do.
	And it takes a lot to be extremely successful.
	And so I'll get it.
	But yeah, it's going to be a lot harder because that means there might need to be a babysitter.
	There might need to be this.
	That's why I feel like divorce rates are high because women are working in the workforce a lot more than they were years ago.
	But at the same time, you're talking about women in the 1800s being happier.
	I mean, that's a statistic based on there was no social media then.
	It was very hard to be aware.
	You only know what you know.
	So they only knew what they knew then.
	But now we're very aware.
	And also, it's funny how you say women were safer back in the day because they had men to protect them.
	But a lot of those men were abusing them.
	There was a law that was passed in the 90s that was about, I'm not going to say the works were not allowed, where it didn't allow men to just force sex upon their wife.
	This is a real rule that was passed.
	So they couldn't do that in the 90s.
	And that's crazy to me because your man should be your protector, should be the one who's there for you.
	And so a lot of time women had to stay in marriages because they couldn't just get a house by themselves.
	They needed the man to sign off.
	They needed all this stuff.
	And a lot of the time were married to a man that wasn't even actually protecting them and actually abusing them.
	You keep saying a lot of the time, and I understand what you're saying, the points that you're making.
	And also, I don't have statistics.
	So it's like, yeah, like when I hear these feminist artists, like they make sense.
	And you don't have statistics either.
	So it's like.
	They make, I mean, depends on what you want to talk about.
	I could whip out a lot of stats for you.
	But like I hear these arguments from feminists, but I feel like feminists paint the world prior to like the 1900s as this world where just all men were beating and raping their wives.
	That's not it.
	Like the idea, the idea, hold on.
	The idea that like a lot of men were doing this, like my question is, how does it compare to now?
	Like what I would love to know those stats because was it more men that are doing it now?
	Be honest, I don't know the statistic, but I think the thing I'm getting to is women are, I think, more comfortable and confident to speak up, because they it's all about this is the because they see other women doing it or feeling empowered or whichever.
	You know like back then I didn't live in the 1800s, I really don't know what was going on.
	Yeah, I do want to address, because I think you guys have mentioned this a couple times and I mean there's been a lot of different talking points that have been brought up when it comes to physical safety, the way that you feel has absolutely no bearing on anything related to the actual incidence rate of physical violence.
	Okay, by so doing, will also isolate yourself from many good men.
	Successful women also want equal quality men.
	Successful men want feminine women and don't care about her success.
	So can I just speak on that really quick 10 seconds?
	I don't agree, because I've met a lot of high value men who are very successful that want a woman who has passion and drive and focus as well.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question on that.
	I can ask the whole table, yes or no?
	Do you think that men lie to get laid yes, do you think men will tell you what you want to hear?
	To get laid, never go ahead.
	Please answer, please.
	Yeah, and I think there's a difference between passion driven and and what else did you say?
	Um well, passion drive and something else.
	But there's a difference between having that and having a full-time career, like you know, 40 hours a week, and you're not gonna ever be home or like be raising the kids, or you know, I think.
	I think there's a difference.
	You can have those qualities while still being like a feminine woman, like you're saying.
	Yeah, like I'm a, I consider myself very feminine, like I'm, you know, especially my music.
	I talk about very feminine perspective of being in relationships, whatever.
	But I'm also speaking from a career that I'm assuming.
	Like we're artists, so it's different, our schedules are very different.
	We are very artistic expressive, we're creating.
	It's just a whole other mindset in life.
	So I'm only speaking from my creative career perspective and it's, you know, it's very so okay.
	But to go back to the whole thing, so you're saying that these really successful men are like super stoked on the fact that you're making money and have a career.
	I would argue that from a pure practicality standpoint, the more money a man makes, the less he cares about the money that you bring or your career, whereas a guy who you know the economic reality of today is, most households are gonna need two incomes.
	So I would argue that actually, the less money a guy makes, that might be the type of guy who is more inclined to have some sort of care about the money you bring.
	If he's looking long-term into like okay, I want a family, the economic reality shit's fucked.
	Inflation, all that stuff, we're gonna need two incomes.
	I think I'm care.
	But you, you specifically mentioned like high earners and I would argue, right, high earners, actually the more the money, the more money a guy makes, the less he fucking cares about how much money makes.
	Well, I didn't talk about money.
	I said specifically passion and your career and drive.
	I didn't say financial anything.
	So it's like I'm talking about and and you also said something about what if your dreams align?
	And I feel like I'm meeting a lot of people who are in a similar career where the dream does align.
	Yes, here's the crazy thing about like male and you might you guys have, may have encountered this men in the entertainment industry, especially like in music.
	If they have.
	Maybe they're a little more established in their music career.
	They probably want to fuck you and sleep with you, and they're going to gas you up.
	Oh, yeah, you're such a great singer in an effort to bed you.
	Oh, let me help you produce.
	I mean, I feel like that's pretty normal amongst you.
	Can you tilt the microphone down?
	Yeah.
	Like, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
	Kind of what you just asked everyone, do you think men lie to sleep with you?
	I think that's just a generic question.
	So it's not even men in the industry.
	I feel like men across the board might gas you up.
	Yeah, like you kind of just asked yourself.
	But it's so it's like, I don't really know what the point is.
	It's like, yes, and that's kind of your choice and to whether you want to vet this guy out and figure out how real he is or not.
	Because then you can make the argument, like, is there no one real who ever thinks highly of a woman ever?
	Like, no, there are real relationships and people who really respect women and what they do and care about.
	Unless you're saying there's no such thing and love's not real and relationships aren't real and everyone's in a lie.
	No, I don't think they're saying I think they're saying that the same men that will say they will sleep with you because of the same career choice or whatever is not the same type of man that's gonna eventually like end up marrying you because of the difference in what he wants versus like what a typical high-value man wants, right?
	A woman that will stay home and support him is not gonna typically want to marry somebody who has like a career with 40 hours a week, not going to be home a lot.
	So yes, those men will sleep with you, but a lot of, I don't think it's like you're never going to find someone either.
	I think you're a great person.
	But I think they're just saying like a lot of more career-driven men are going to want women with a little bit less of that.
	And I would just add that I think, and it's evident, men and women prioritize different things in terms of what we're looking for in a partner, in terms of what we find attractive.
	I think if you want to pursue a career that's fantastic for you, but in terms of it making you more appealing or more attractive to a partner, like most men, it's very rare that it's ever going to add it's not going to make you more attractive.
	It's almost always going to be a neutral, or it's probably just going to, in a lot of ways, going to be a negative.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I feel like it depends on the guy.
	It really does.
	I know a lot of guys, I'm going to be honest with you, none of them care about a woman's career in terms of her attractiveness.
	I feel like there's a lot of high-value men that are in relationships or married to women who have a career, though.
	Yeah, they're in relationships or married to the point Brian's making is that it's for most honest men, a career is not going to make a woman more attractive unless he like wants to be taken care of.
	Or like Brian was saying, if there needs to be some sort of like split income scenario where because it's expensive to live nowadays, the traits you were describing before, like ambition and drive and all that kind of stuff, those can be very attractive qualities in a woman for certain men.
	Like I personally like ambition and drive in a woman.
	Not necessarily applied towards her career though, but as inborn personality traits because like different guys like different types of women.
	Some guys I know they like like very feminine and soft women that like don't have kind of that like you know that edge to them.
	Like I like a woman with like a little bit of an edge to her because it's like there's there's a drive there.
	And what I want to do, the reason why I like that as a man is because I'm like, okay, I have ambitions and I'm like, how can I sync up your drive towards my mission so that we can really be effective as a company?
	Tapewon Motorsports donated $100.
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	The divorce lawyers watching this are taking notes.
	Men don't like women who feel the need to be the center of attention all the time and that radiates from you like nuclear fire.
	Nuclear fire?
	You are gold digger 304.
	It's kind of a compliment.
	You're saying that your energy is like fire.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, thank you so much.
	It's on brand for the red-headedness too.
	Wow, okay.
	Does that make sense though?
	Like what I'm saying?
	Yeah, but I think my main statement is like you just can't speak for all men.
	I can't speak for all women.
	There are men who do want women with really dope careers and are ambitious because that means they will understand that much more maybe his career and they can align and they might be both doing the same thing.
	They can go to work together.
	They can do this.
	They can take off when they have a video shoot versus vice versa.
	Like it could be helpful.
	And I think that would go to her point about like having like shared dreams.
	Yes.
	But yeah.
	Generally speaking though, it's not like most dudes out there aren't like, yeah, I want to find a woman with a sick career.
	It's like that's not what most dudes care about at all.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, I think the reason that a lot of my answers aren't yes and no is because a lot of answers aren't just a yes and no answer.
	And so for this situation, again, I can't speak for all women, whatever, whatever.
	And I do think that there is a point there to say like high earners, the kind of like dream guy that all these girls are wanting, yeah, are they going to give a fuck about you contributing to the household income?
	No, they have enough money for you.
	Exactly.
	And for all the kids, it doesn't matter.
	That's not what I'm looking for.
	That's not what a woman brings.
	Saint underscore easy donated $99.
	Being successful for yourself, selfish doesn't lead to happiness.
	You will be rich, bored, and depressed because you have no purpose in life.
	I know this is true for men, so it will be more so for women.
	Stay home and sing a song for your husband.
	Thank you, Saint.
	If you want to continue, go ahead.
	Yeah, I guess what I have to do actually kind of has what I have to say has something to do with this.
	Yeah, I don't think they give a fuck because women do offer something different than our money for to a high-value man.
	A woman in her feminine offer something different to a masculine man.
	Yes.
	Which is what I personally want because I don't want to go 50-50 in life.
	I want a man who's like, I'll take care of you, whatever, whatever.
	Wait, so you want a man who's like, I'll take care of you, whatever, whatever.
	You want a masculine man, but you also want to live the boss babe lifestyle and to have total independence from him if you need it.
	The lifestyle that I'm saying contradictory things here.
	So what I was about to say is that for me, pursuing a career, career, let's just call it that, it's more about me being the best version that I can be.
	If I just stayed at home and didn't pursue music, I didn't write songs, I didn't make content, I didn't try to build a life on my own, I would be a shell of a human being and I wouldn't be able to offer my man the love, the care, the support.
	I wouldn't have the energy.
	I know this just for myself.
	If I wake up and I don't do what I'm supposed to do here on earth, which is to have interesting conversations with people, is to make content, is to sing, to make music, to perform.
	All of those things, I'm not pursuing just to make money.
	I'm pursuing those things because it makes me feel whole.
	And when I'm whole, I can give to the men in my life with like more vigor.
	I'm able to be there to support him.
	I'm able because I feel good about myself when I do that.
	Can I tell you something?
	Sure.
	I'm just going to be totally honest.
	Like, I don't think your purpose in life is to sit around and have good conversations and to like make content and all that kind of stuff.
	Now, I'm not saying that you can't add value to society by doing those things, but like I'm not looking for a woman whose sole purpose in life is to make content and have interesting conversations.
	I want to get married and have a wife and build a family.
	Like I want a woman who wants those things and sees her purpose in life as being the mother of our kids, a great wife, and someone that I can build a super healthy and strong family with.
	The kind of guy that you're looking for, like most high-performing dudes, if they're looking for a wife, they don't just want some chick who's making TikToks all day.
	They want a woman who wants to be the best homemaker and mom and wife that she can possibly be.
	And I'm saying that I can be the best homeworker, homemaker, and wife that I can be when I know that I'm acting and doing the things that I'm meant to be doing.
	And I know what I meant to be doing.
	You know, you can be the best mom and wife as long as you're making TikToks all day.
	It's not about making TikToks all day.
	It's doing what I'm meant to do.
	It manifests through that.
	We'll let this come in and we're going to be a school female physician whose husband stays at home.
	The common complaint heard in the doctor's lounge is very frequently about her lazy husband.
	Men have accepted our plight of being successful/slash ambitious.
	Women cannot say the same today.
	That sounds like a marriage.
	Thank you, Cam.
	Appreciate it.
	You had something.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so here's something or like a fear that I have, like kind of you like brought it to mind is that as a woman, if you give up all of these things that could potentially keep her financially stable, lots of friends, things like that.
	And if you have a man that you give those things up with and there's no guarantee that that man is going to stay because the second that that man leaves you, you lose everything, right?
	If his friends are your friends because he doesn't, whatever, he's not okay with you hanging out with your friends, then you lose your friends, you lose financial stability, you lose everything if that man leaves you.
	So it's like we risk everything.
	That's what the purpose of marriage is.
	Yeah, can I jump in?
	I gotta clean this.
	This shit's bugging me.
	Yeah, I think you can jump.
	Yeah, there's a lot to say about that.
	Marriage, so do you actually have OCD?
	A little bit.
	Yeah, but so marriage is actually what that security is for, right?
	When you get married and you get a prenub and stuff like that, you're protecting yourself from that financial burden of, you know, if he does end up divorcing you, you get half of what he earns.
	And, you know, you have something to start yourself off with.
	But I think like it's a false dichotomy nowadays to say that you can have a full career and a family at the same time because, you know, who's going to be raising your children?
	Like, either way, you would have to put that into a third path.
	Yeah, that would be the sacrifice.
	The children would feel that sacrifice.
	They're not going to have their parent.
	And yeah, I kind of forgot the rest of my thoughts.
	Here, we'll come back to this conversation.
	I need to get a couple chats.
	By the way, guys, some of these have totally fell off, so I'm not going to be able to trigger them.
	I have them, it won't pop up.
	I can still see them and read them, but it's not able to be triggered.
	So I'm going to just try to get through these chats.
	After this, I definitely want to get back to her question because it's actually to her point.
	Like, I mean, that's, that's, you know, you're raising good questions.
	And to her point, that is the purpose of marriage.
	The purpose of marriage.
	Modest Hikima donated $100 million to it.
	UGH!
	The respect to women has nothing to do with your job, Hika.
	I got it.
	Etc.
	High ready.
	Welcome to kindergarten where we listen with our ears and just making brains before we vomit up nonsensical BS.
	Are you on the top 10 charter and don't care then?
	Someday, 2L8.
	Okay, here's what I'm going to do for the TTSs.
	I'm going to just pause.
	I know in the description it says instant.
	I'm not going to boost it.
	I'm going to pause it for 30 minutes.
	And then what I'll do is all the ones that come through, all the ones that come through, I'll trigger them all at the same time.
	So sorry it's not going to be instant, guys, but it's just been too disruptive.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, that's, as I was saying, that is the purpose of marriage.
	You know, like if you're marrying somebody, you're, and if you take it seriously, most people don't take it seriously nowadays.
	Like, as a Christian, I take it extremely seriously.
	The woman that I marry, like, that's it.
	We're together for life.
	And I'm making a promise to her.
	I'm taking care of you for life.
	Like, that's my job.
	I'm not leaving you hanging.
	You know, a lot of people don't take that promise seriously, for one.
	And because a lot of people don't take that promise seriously, that's why divorce laws exist, right?
	So, like, as a guy, for example, if hypothetically I married a woman and then cheated on her, she would have every right to divorce me and take half of everything I have.
	And that's why those divorce laws exist and alimony and all that kind of stuff.
	Like, the purpose of it is to protect women.
	Like, if you're a woman and you find a guy who's traditional and he's like, hey, I want to make you a stay-at-home mom.
	Give up your career.
	We're going to have kids together.
	If you spend 10 or 15 years not working on your career and then he just drops you, like you're screwed financially, you know, and that's why divorce laws exist to protect women.
	Unfortunately, because of feminism and all sorts of other stuff, it's now to the point where men can get screwed for no reason with divorce.
	But like that's that's the purpose of marriage.
	Like if you're making an agreement with a guy, hey, I'm going to give up my finances and all this stuff, like there's, it's a promise of protection.
	Yeah, I think my problem is trust too.
	Like, you know, like that part.
	And also you're dating somebody for a long period of time before you get married.
	So what about that dating period, I guess?
	We can maybe pick this back up, but I do need to get through a couple chat chats.
	AB check, thank for the 20 gifted memberships.
	Again, these, I'm not going to be able to trigger them on the screen, but I will be able to read them.
	We have verbato, microchimerism, contact with semen through an orifice, allows the chromosomes of a male to absorb into a woman, present in the blood, spinal fluid, and brain permanently.
	The ghosts of boyfriends past forever interact with a woman's neurology, and then you sense a follow-up.
	The chromosomes also interact with the fetus during gestation, influencing its development.
	For every past sexual partner a woman has, they are cheating on their future husband with.
	You can read more about it at the National Center of Biological Information, and this is called microchimerism.
	I've heard about this.
	Yeah, you've heard about it.
	I've heard about that.
	It's honestly like the sketchiest thing in the world.
	It's basically the idea that like for every, to put it crudely, for every guy that a woman is with sexually, if he's blowing loads inside of her, he's actually leaving his DNA in her body and then it like incorporates itself into her body and can also interact with the fetus.
	So like if a woman's had a lot of past sexual partners, there's evidence that her child may end up having DNA from her previous partners.
	I mean, it's that is BS.
	It might be real, it might not be, but there's possible.
	Why?
	I mean, come on.
	We'll have to see the studies.
	Yeah, we'd have to look at the studies.
	We'd have to.
	Here's what we're doing.
	I think there's one.
	But it could be who knows?
	Okay.
	If it's real, it's sketch.
	Yeah, I learned that like in a mother's womb, her first child's DNA is like always in there and like the second child.
	So like if you're a fifth child, you have the DNA from all your siblings before.
	So I think it could be true.
	And so you're saying if a woman has, there's a different father for the various children, then another man's child's DNA is in your other kids' DNA.
	That's crazy.
	Who knows who you're saying that it messes with her mentality, right?
	Let's know.
	Let's move.
	Let's move on.
	That's not what I said.
	Derek the Traitor.
	Again, sorry, guys, I'm not able to pull these up, but I'm going to read them.
	Ranking the girls out of 10 when it comes to looks only.
	Okay, wow, 10 being the highest.
	Starting to left the chase 85415567.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	I guess Nika ever had a date appointment.
	I think she means D appointments.
	Just before facing something important, share your...
	Oh, this is Nika from two shows ago.
	She's one of the stab, she stabbed a dude.
	Okay.
	Podcast, she's going to come back on the show.
	So podcast sees her pre-court rituals, de-appointment.
	Ever had a date, a deappointment just before facing something important?
	Have any of you ever had a D appointment before going to prison or jail or going to a criminal court proceeding involving you?
	Involving stabbing somebody, involving terrorism.
	No.
	Let's start over here.
	No. No. No.
	How about just...
	No. No. No. No. No.
	Okay.
	Here we go.
	Hold up.
	All right.
	We have, I believe this is the next one.
	Doc Vanablis.
	Three E's.
	Equality of value is inarguable.
	Equality of opportunity is desirable.
	Equality of outcome results in tyranny and is the guiding principles behind deadly cultural Marxism.
	It is an indictment of our education system that some ladies can't grasp it.
	From Doc Vanablis.
	It's facts.
	Good comment.
	I never heard the 3E thing, and I've heard of the equality of opportunity, equality of outcome, but equality of value.
	I haven't heard that one, but I absolutely agree.
	Very good comment.
	What do you talk about?
	What are you agreeing with?
	Well, his whole statement, but I've never heard this three E's thing.
	I've heard of equality of opportunity, equality of outcome, but equality of...
	You're agreeing that equality of value is true or false?
	True.
	True.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I think it's equality of value in the sense of your value in terms of your life.
	Let's see.
	We have the saint and the sinner.
	Are we going to talk about how Tiffany and maybe others have the archaic belief that black individuals?
	mine the black individuals are less uh tiffany do you want to dress this Well, I'm not sure.
	Is this a untrustworthy or capable?
	I just said that.
	Is this the saint and the sinner?
	Go ahead.
	Sorry, Tiffany.
	What did you say?
	I said they're less safe.
	Less safe.
	Are you basing this on personal experience or crime statistics?
	Excuse me?
	Crime statistics.
	Okay.
	What crime statistics are you basing this on?
	I guess just violence.
	Is this more gun shooting?
	Is it that 13% of the population is responsible for 50% of the violent crime?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Real.
	I think now it's 14% that's not going to be.
	What do you say statistic about a race and you're racist?
	That's crazy.
	What'd you say?
	What'd you say?
	It's like a statistic is racist.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think this is Marquette.
	He's a YouTuber.
	Yo, what's up, man?
	I'd like your stuff.
	If you ever want to be on the show, I would love to have you on.
	If that is actually The Saint and the Sinner, his name's Marquette.
	Yeah, man.
	Would love to have you on.
	Shoot me a DM on Instagram at whatever.
	If you're down to come on.
	What content does he mean?
	He does some live shows like live podcasting and he talks about dating and relationships.
	How many followers or subscribers?
	I think he's got like, I don't know.
	There's like gold diggers and then there's follow diggers like Tiffany.
	Yo, wait, Marquette, would you, could I set you up with Tiffany?
	She hasn't heard his follow count yet, Brian.
	I think it's over 100K.
	All right, and I think let me just double check, make sure that was Nika, Doc.
	Let me just double check, make sure we've got.
	Okay, cool.
	We're all caught up there.
	And then we have this one super chat here on YouTube.
	Win PC99, girl on the far right.
	Oh, she's gone.
	Okay, I'll wait.
	I'll wake up.
	I'll wait for that.
	And then I wanted to pull up more of her videos.
	But while we here, while we wait for her to come back, I have some pre-show notes from people, so let me get into that.
	Let's start with you, Ali.
	Ali, you said I don't really like hookup culture for myself, but I had a big military phases when I was 20 to 22.
	I don't know if that was a typo.
	When you said I had a big military, did you mean a ho phase?
	Well, military phase slash military ho phase.
	Yeah, I guess you could say that.
	Whoops.
	Were you in the military?
	No.
	So basically what that means.
	Oh goodness.
	So I just spit it out.
	Just spit it out.
	I did not know that this was going to be run about.
	So I met this friend and she invited me to this bonfire and I was like, sure, why not?
	And literally 99% of the people were military.
	And at the time, I was very like, oh my gosh, all of them are so attractive.
	So I wasn't really like a hoe, I guess you could say.
	I was very, like, I'd talk to a guy, things would get serious, and then stuff would happen, and then kind of would just drop off.
	Like, nothing would happen.
	Like, after that, it kind of just, you guys know what I mean?
	Like, we just kind of just, the feelings just disappeared.
	And then on to the next one and on to the next one.
	And then, yeah.
	How many of these military dudes were there?
	Oh goodness, I'd say probably like 10.
	Is that about half a platoon?
	I think that's half a platoon.
	Nick, can you show us a platoon?
	Show us a platoon.
	It's so easy to see.
	That's a plan.
	Nick, can you show us the other one?
	Is that Navy or is that Marine?
	The other one?
	I think it's Marine.
	Tabover.
	Okay, no.
	It was Marine.
	I was very Navy.
	It was a Navy thing.
	So, like, half of...
	It's, like, front row.
	That's...
	That's a platoon.
	That's more than 10.
	That is a platoon.
	Are we...
	Brigade?
	What's it?
	Is that brigade, battalion?
	What are we talking here?
	Um, I don't, I don't.
	You said 10, right?
	Yeah, it was around there.
	10 what?
	You hooked up with 10?
	Around that.
	Multiply it by 3, and that's the real number.
	Okay.
	So you were not in the military?
	I was not in the military, no.
	And did you say it was what branch of the military?
	Coast Guard?
	was navy i had a very i'd see i don't know why all of a sudden they'd be like i'm in the i'm in the navy And I'd be like, oh my gosh, hi.
	I'm Allie.
	I had a lot of growing up to do.
	I am not the same person I was back then.
	Just want to let you guys know.
	Of course.
	But how old are you?
	What does it say?
	Like 20 to 22?
	I'm 25 now.
	20 to 22.
	So you've grown out of your military phase.
	I got my heart broken and then I was kind of just over it.
	Military.
	Then I kind of wanted the traditional standpoint and I kind of grew out of it.
	I was Delulu.
	I was in my Delulu land.
	Delulu land.
	Yeah, I was very much in that.
	What's your tattoo say there?
	Oh, goodness.
	So I'm obsessed with this rapper named G Easy.
	And it's the crazy kind.
	The crazy kind, it's from who?
	G Easy?
	Hold on.
	Gerald.
	That guy.
	Oh.
	I know G Easy.
	I have no problem.
	G-Easy.
	His name is Gerald.
	He'll be like young Gerald.
	Like, no?
	I don't really listen to that.
	Okay, well, it's in his song, Him and I.
	And it's with Halsey.
	They dated a really long time ago.
	I like that.
	What the fuck is that guy?
	I have no idea.
	Wait, so just clarification, was it a squad, section, platoon, company, battalion, regiment, brigade, division, or corps?
	None of the above.
	And it was 10 you said?
	Did you memorize all that for the show?
	Yes.
	I go above and beyond.
	I go above and beyond.
	It's a matter of time.
	Every show.
	Yeah, it was.
	And back to what you said, they told me what I wanted to hear.
	And I was very naive.
	If they were like, oh, yeah, I really like you.
	Like, I'm sure they probably had some feelings in the beginning.
	But then once stuff happened, it kind of just.
	I want to make a point.
	Uh-oh.
	Uh-oh.
	This isn't going to be offensive towards you or anything.
	I just want to make a point.
	And this is to Brian's point earlier.
	Ladies, men, you have to be careful.
	It tells us in the Bible to guard our hearts.
	Men will tell you what you want to hear in order to sleep with you.
	You about to write that down.
	Yeah.
	Men will tell you what you want to hear.
	Yeah, again, I like bombing.
	They love bombing.
	Love bombing.
	Figure out who it is that you are, what it is that you like, what it is that you want.
	They'll tell you what you want to hear in order to sleep with you.
	You got to be careful of this.
	Super common.
	That's why I left the phrase.
	So women get their hearts broken.
	Be careful out there, ladies and gentlemen.
	You have experience with that?
	No, I mean, I haven't dated one, but I know how promiscuous they are.
	Like, I've had lots of them hit me up, like, super young, too.
	Like, I'm 33.
	Like, it's all like 18-year-olds, and they're just there's there's always just so many.
	They just, they just want to fuck, you know?
	Yeah.
	So, going back to you, my first love never really told anybody.
	Just one day I was at work and posted another girl, and she ended up being pregnant.
	So, this day we never broke up, kind of stopped talking.
	So, um, my first love was when I was like freshly 18, got my Snapchat.
	The first day he added me, and we were together for a little over a year.
	And you know, we said, like, bye, I love you, whatever.
	And I go to work, and an hour later, I'm getting my phone blown up.
	Like, hey, have you seen a Snapchat?
	Hey, have you seen a Snapchat?
	I go on a Snapchat, and it's some girl on the pregnancy test, so positive, and it was not me.
	I have not talked to that man, talked to, talked to that song.
	He was spoke, thank you.
	I have not spoken to him ever since.
	We never really broke up.
	It kind of just, yeah.
	How did you feel when you saw that?
	Um, I don't remember, honestly.
	I kind of block it out, but it was kind of like pretty traumatizing.
	Didn't you say you congratulated him?
	Nobody needs to.
	Um, a couple months later, I kind of stop it.
	That was years ago.
	I was like 19, but yeah, I did congratulate him.
	He said thanks.
	After that, I did not talk to him.
	Okay, alimony, child support, loss of access to kids.
	A marriage isn't just about you, the amalgamation of the sacrificed freedom yields your legacy/slash future.
	Real women demurely show what they offer and quickly become wives.
	Well said, man.
	Zentience-based Zentiens.
	Thank you, man.
	Very good to see you back in the chat, man.
	It's been a minute.
	Let's see.
	And then, last thing here with Ali.
	You said your most recent ex ghosted you and left a note on your bed breaking up with you because he didn't want to be the guy that broke up with you over text.
	Yeah, this was the one that broke up with me in March.
	So I think Chase misspoke earlier.
	Equality of outcome is extra help based on situation to get outcome.
	Affirmative action.
	Equality of opportunity is equal.
	Chance to compete.
	Best candidate gets outcome.
	Chase 4AF.
	Act.
	From the 10-year-old.
	Oh, it's all good.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	If I misspoke, thanks for clarifying.
	Yeah, I think you might have.
	What did I say?
	I think you said equality of outcome in place for equality of opportunity.
	I think you meant to say equality of opportunity, but whatever.
	Do you have a quick thing about the note on the bed?
	Yeah, so long story short, I was at work.
	He just kind of just stopped talking to me and I was just like, Did you bump your head?
	Like, what's going on?
	Leave work early.
	My friend picks me up, takes me home.
	I walk in, not even realizing that all of his stuff is gone.
	And I just so happen to be like just cleaning my bed like normal.
	And all of a sudden, I just feel like this like heavy note.
	And it was the key to my room.
	And then just a note basically saying, I'm sorry, I don't want to be the guy to break up with you over text, but like, this is done.
	That's insanely lame.
	Yeah, and it was a very rough couple of months.
	Do not want to live that.
	Here, let's pull up some of the more of the videos, then we'll get that super chat.
	I think we just watch all the videos, maybe, and then, yeah, go ahead.
	Going 50-50 with a man is not equal.
	We live in a culture and a society that benefits men, specifically when it comes to finances.
	There's so much more opportunity, and it's so much easier for a man than a woman.
	Women are at a huge disadvantage, and even still, women thrive in a man's world.
	Given the obstacles that women have to overcome that men have probably no idea that we even do, paying for a date that he initiated is one, hot, and two, the least he could do.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Quite a few things there.
	So are you talking about the patriarchy?
	In what?
	Well, in that clip.
	You said it's a man's world, I think.
	You said it's easier for men, women are disadvantaged, and that women face obstacles.
	So, well, one, do you think that there's a patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What does that mean?
	That men hold greater power than women.
	How so?
	How do men hold greater power than women?
	Yeah.
	Well, in this video, I was specifically talking about the working world.
	I think in the working world, it's like the structure of the workforce is built for like for men.
	How so?
	I mean, like, don't more women have college degrees?
	Are more women college educated?
	Yeah, I think the rates are when it comes to getting college degrees, college admission, actually attending college.
	I think it's like 60-40.
	Wow, that's a huge advantage that women have.
	So, how does the workforce benefit men more?
	Is it college education that we're talking about, or is it earning power?
	Well, since 1980.
	I'm not talking about college.
	Well, just really quick on college since he brought it up.
	Ever since 1980, it might even, I think it starts 1979, there have been more women going to college, graduating from college, getting college degrees.
	So, that's a for more than 40-year period.
	So, women who graduated college in 1980 are now basically reaching retirement age.
	So, we've had basically an entire whole career span of women who, in that time period, were graduating at higher rates than men were from university.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	So, how is the workforce more beneficial towards men?
	You said earning power.
	Can you provide evidence for that?
	Yeah, I think, you know, with a lot of the like more like standard, like tried and true, I suppose, like, high-earning positions, like men doctors, lawyers.
	I don't know.
	I'm kind of like, what's the percentage between men and women in those professions?
	I don't know all of the stats.
	Like, I'm not here to bring you stats, but do you think, are there more, do you guys have stats about the opposite?
	Like, truly curious.
	I'm just, I'm curious because you're making a claim, but I'm wondering if you have.
	Do you have a counterclaim?
	I'm wondering if you have, no, well, you made a claim and in a court of law, for example, if you present a claim, you have to provide evidence for it.
	I'm not in a court of law.
	No, you're not.
	I'm chatting in a podcast.
	You're having a conversation, and I'm saying, do you have any evidence for your claims?
	I mean, I've read stuff before.
	Do I have it up right now?
	No.
	I don't think we need stats.
	Yeah, do we need stats?
	No, well, I'm saying like if you just walk into a hospital, who are you going to see primarily as nurses and women, right?
	Women are outperforming men.
	I don't have stats either, but like nowadays, he's right, outperforming as in college and getting education to where they can get a job like that.
	They're outperforming men nowadays.
	But I mean, relating it back to your original thing, you want men to pay for the first date.
	So I feel like you cannot, on one hand, demand, first off, women are paid equally.
	That's already been legislated back in the, I think that was in the 60s.
	So it's actually, if you as a woman can prove in a court of law that there are men with the exact same seniority in your company, if you can prove and show that he's getting paid more for the exact same work, you can actually bring a lawsuit for discrimination.
	So we've already legislated that it's illegal to pay women less than men for the same work.
	So, I mean, she's 23 and making six figures.
	Why don't other women do that?
	Because they're not interested in studying that.
	That's a choice.
	That's a choice.
	Because also at the same time, if you wanted to become a welder, you could go learn it.
	And within a year and a half, two years, you could be making six figures.
	Why don't more women do that?
	Where's the disadvantage?
	Well, I think the thing is with that is that feminists, when it comes to equal opportunity and equal pay, you only want to secure the cushy, comfortable, high-paying, air-conditioned office jobs.
	You don't want equality when it comes to, for example, dangerous jobs that happen to pay well or just physically laborious jobs like I think we should ask someone with experience, like, would you say, have you ever experienced more obstacles getting to your career or like men being given more benefits in the workplace than you?
	For me, I don't think so.
	But I don't have that much experience, I guess.
	I just started working like a year or a year ago.
	But I also know that at least in my company, we just recently have this internship program, and it's only like females in tech programs.
	So I feel like we're trying to get females in here.
	So I don't think it would be unfair.
	Now, if there was something else, like some sort of male-only opportunity, that would be, feminists would be screaming at their top of their lungs, how?
	So you're making the claim that women are disadvantaged in the workforce and that they don't have the same earning opportunities that men do.
	This is a breakdown of many of the blue-collar jobs throughout society on my phone right here.
	This is a breakdown of many of the blue-collar jobs throughout society with what percentage of each of those jobs are worked by men.
	Will you go ahead and read the first 10 statistics off of this, please?
	Just read them into your microphone.
	Roofer, 90%, logger, 93%, veteran, 90%, plumber, 97%, mechanic, 92%, carpenter, 92%, coal miner, 94%, firefighter, 95%, iron worker, 92%.
	So those are like well-paying, decent-paying, blue-collar jobs that are completely – Yeah, you don't want any of those jobs.
	But you could have any of those jobs as a woman.
	Why?
	I mean, I just don't understand.
	It's like, I'm hearing, like, hey, you know, us women are disadvantaged, but you just told me I don't want any of those well-paying jobs.
	Is it a disadvantage or is it that you just don't want the jobs?
	No, feminism can only exist when there's air-conditioned, comfortable office jobs that don't require physically laborious work.
	That's so true.
	Wait, but computer science...
	It's true!
	Women don't want women.
	Again, you're speaking on behalf of people that you aren't are, you know what I mean?
	It's like they say men don't mend this.
	Like, I'm not a man.
	She just said she doesn't want any of these jobs.
	Well, that's her, you know?
	Like, there are some women that I'm sure have those jobs.
	You can't generalize the whole gender.
	There are some.
	For example, plumbers, 3% of women are plumbers, or 3% of plumbers are women.
	Sure.
	They're not 100% for a reason.
	So women do have the opportunity, equal opportunity to pursue every one of those jobs.
	So I don't think we have an inequality at any point.
	I mean, if you want to talk about value, like inequality and value, I don't think it's the same.
	I think the question that you need to ask yourself when it comes to the wage gap, this career stuff, it's not whether it's not whether it exists, but why it exists.
	And at least my view is, the answer is not sexism.
	There's many reasons, I think, for the earnings gap.
	And I would say a big one is women's own choices.
	Women choose to go into certain careers, certain fields.
	Same with what they study in university.
	Women choose to go into disciplines that happen to pay less.
	Which is women choosing not to go to the future.
	Yeah, choosing a career that pays less.
	Like what do you give an example, I guess?
	Okay, so who here wants to be an iron worker?
	We have some infographics on it, but who wants to be an iron worker or welder at this level?
	They're making six figures doing one of those jobs.
	I would, but it's a little dangerous.
	It's quite dangerous.
	It's quite dangerous.
	Would you want to do that?
	No.
	Would you want to do that?
	No.
	Would you want to do that?
	I might if the check is right.
	Okay, so yeah, you're making six figures.
	You might be one of that, like part of the 5%.
	Most women wouldn't want to do that.
	And so it's like, okay, you have these blue-collar jobs that pay, I don't know what ironworking pays, but like welding, for example, it's a dangerous job.
	But it's not because of sexism that women aren't making the same money in those careers.
	It's because you guys just don't want them.
	I think that the disadvantage is partly because like being a woman, I mean, again, there's a variety of women, but maybe like a good chunk of us, like we're not made to do those things.
	Like I know that I'm not supposed to do any of those things.
	So in a way, I guess I technically can do those things, but I'm not made for those kinds of work.
	So because I'm kind of made for different kinds of work, I'm like, technically, yes, I can, but I'm not going to make that kind of a money.
	So that kind of money.
	So if a man asked me out on a date and his biology is more built to have a higher earning job, then when we go on a date, I would just expect him to take care of the date because I'm not made for those kinds of jobs.
	And feminism says women can do everything a man can do and they can do it better.
	You're telling me as a self-professed feminist, I'm not made to do that.
	Are we able to pull up the definition of feminism?
	I think feminism has many kinds.
	There's many different kinds of things.
	There's many different kinds, but if you come up, I'm curious of what the main one comes up as.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that kind of feminism, I will say.
	That's fine, that's fair.
	And, you know, we can debate the definition of feminism, but to go back to one of the original points that you made, you said that doctors and lawyers, men get paid more in those industries.
	And I would agree with what you're saying, that you are not made for the same type of work that men are.
	I would say our natures are different as human beings.
	Like, I, as a man, am geared towards different work than a woman is.
	Yes.
	That's not a bad thing.
	No, it is not.
	It is going to create inequality, though, because, for example, you know, you mentioned lawyers.
	There's many more high-paid lawyers that are men than there are women, I'm sure.
	Part of that is because if you want to become a highly paid lawyer as a woman, like you're going to have to freaking grind your butt off through your 20s and your 30s.
	I'm not meant to do that.
	Exactly.
	And that proves my point.
	The difference isn't because it's a man's world and it's sexism that's disadvantaging women.
	It's because you don't want to work through your 20s and 30s grinding at a 100-hour per week job as a lawyer.
	So it's not sexism that creates the disparity.
	It's women just don't want to do it.
	I have a question.
	Does that make sense?
	What's your question?
	Go ahead.
	I was wondering, like, why you or any other woman, I guess, don't really go to computer science more often because I feel like as a tech job, we, well, I sit at the office if I, well, if I go to the office, and we have AC, and it's like all comfortable and stuff, and we also make good money, so why don't you do that?
	I wish my brain was built like that.
	I just am not like that personally.
	And I do think that more women can do things like that, you know, have, and I think that it's typically thought of as a male job, and a lot of girls just maybe aren't really thinking about that.
	Maybe they think about being a homemaker or a therapist or whatever.
	But yeah, I think that there should be, or not should, but there's a lot of opportunity there for women.
	I think most women, most feminists would rather just complain about the wage gap than actually take jobs they don't want.
	When you said like just now about how if a woman wants to be like a really high paying, like on top of her game lawyer, she's going to have to really bust her ass.
	But do you think she has to bust her ass more than a man who has the same desire or the equal amount?
	She might have to bust her butt more than a man.
	Because, I mean, law, for example, well, I'll use my own career as an example.
	So I've been doing brand consulting with a company, and one of our chief executive officers is a female.
	And in her industry, she's like, she works in finance, basically, drafts financial agreements, pitches, super high-powered, like billionaires regularly, right?
	She's the only woman that does it in her industry.
	There's maybe like one or two others that are at the level that she's at.
	And it's not because of sexism.
	It's because she has to bring really strong masculine energy to the table.
	And people will take her seriously when she does it.
	Like she's a professional ballbuster.
	She's a badass.
	But she has an energy that's much more aggressive than most men have.
	And because of that, men take her seriously.
	I know maybe two women that could bring that same energy to the table and be taken seriously by men.
	And it's just like women are, they're typically not wired in that way.
	Whereas, so with something like law, like it's not necessarily because of sexism that there's not as many high-performing female lawyers.
	It's like it's a very aggressive job.
	For sure.
	It's a super aggressive job.
	But I do think what you just said does support the feminist argument that a woman does have to be a little bit more stepped into her masculinity in order to be respected.
	Why can't she be feminine, but also a lawyer and still have her word be respected?
	You know, like I can say something in a way that's maybe like more sweet, but like they're going to be like, oh my God, this like girl.
	This lawyer is not meant to be feminine.
	They're meant to be cutthroats.
	But I naturally am just a feminine talking girl.
	So why do I have to put on more of like a masculine character in order to be respected though?
	And that's the feminist argument.
	It's like I should be able to be me and have the same knowledge and education as you and be able to speak the way I'm speaking without having to be an absolute like vicious beast about it in order to get my work.
	I hear what you're saying.
	It's not the result of sexism.
	For example, for me doing business, like I have to aggressively negotiate with people when I'm doing business.
	For sure.
	And if I wanted to just like approach it from like a soft lackadaisical perspective.
	Yeah, that's not good.
	Nobody would take me so much.
	No, for sure.
	And it's not, it has nothing to do with my sex.
	It's just the energy that you're bringing to the table.
	But if I'm looking at a lawyer, let me put it like this.
	If I'm looking for a lawyer, let's say we have two people.
	One's a man, one's a woman.
	The man is kind of like effeminate and soft, and he's not particularly aggressive.
	The female is a total ball buster and she's very aggressive.
	I'm going to hire her most likely rather than the soft, effeminate man because she's going to do the job better.
	She's masculine energy.
	She's masculine energy.
	But again, you're speaking from your perspective.
	And I think there are some people in the world that no matter what, they might still look at the woman, especially depending on how she looks or even she'll have to maybe even be more self-conscious of what she's wearing just to even extra be taken more seriously.
	Like especially when you look at women in politics, when you look at female lawyers, and in order to be respected, like you're saying, like they really are super tough.
	They have to, you know, be a tough world.
	Yeah, it is, for sure.
	And I definitely cut throat world.
	But I also agree, right?
	Like a man being kind of wishy-washy, like you don't want that either.
	You want a man who's also very firm and just equally speaking his mind in that way.
	But I do feel like because a woman is a woman, I feel like they're, like you said earlier, like a couple minutes ago, you said she might have to work harder than a man.
	Yeah, she might have to work against her nature.
	I mean, let me ask you this.
	Let's say you're going into a big lawsuit over some music stuff.
	Maybe somebody stole your music.
	You have to sue somebody for $500,000.
	You got two people.
	One's an aggressive man.
	The other's a soft, feminine, soft-spoken woman who's not particularly aggressive.
	You need to hire a lawyer.
	Which of those two individuals are you going to hire?
	Definitely the aggressor.
	Exactly.
	And that's not a result of sexism.
	It's just because you want the person who's going to get the job done best.
	Right.
	And that has nothing to do with sexism.
	For sure.
	But I do think women do have to put on somewhat more of a hat in order to defy your own nature.
	And just like, and define social norms and like stereotypical.
	See, feminism says we need to change, we need to change that.
	We need to change the fact that women need to adopt a different nature to succeed.
	That's what feminism says.
	I don't think that, but I do think there is an initial assumption a lot of people in the world make if they see one person versus another.
	Just very much.
	Sure.
	Everybody comes to conclusions.
	Because I do agree.
	Like, in order to be a lawyer, you do have to be very tough.
	You have to be speaking with very strong will.
	Obviously, you want that.
	But at the same time, there are a lot of people that, regardless of the woman still doing that, they're still going to view her a certain way.
	It's just human nature.
	But it's like, human nature.
	Yeah, it's not like mean or like you're discriminating against somebody.
	It's just like you said, you're working against your nature.
	So you're working harder to make yourself more respected.
	But like if you get a police officer and he's acting all feminine and just like, oh, no one's going to respect someone like that.
	Or like a lawyer, if you walk into a courtroom and they're just kind of going around being all feminine, like you're going to lose.
	And you know you're going to lose that trial.
	But I'm saying like for a woman who's not acting like that though.
	But like there are so stateful.
	Yeah, but to act cutthroat and aggressive and strong like that is a masculine trait.
	So to be feminine and to do that, you're going against your biology and you're taking on more masculine traits.
	I think she's saying even with a woman who has that masculine energy, some people still won't take her seriously.
	And yeah, you're not wrong.
	I mean, there's just natural biological sexism that exists between both sexes.
	For sure.
	I'm going to let a couple of these chats come through.
	Got a couple notifications coming.
	We have Carla.
	Carla Catherine Giller Reigns, we donated $99.
	This new generation of women are ruining our chances with real traditional men, which are becoming a dying breeze.
	Oh, Christ is Lord.
	I wish more men think like Chase.
	Christ is Lord.
	Amen.
	Also, thank you for the compliment, Carla.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, Carla.
	We have another one coming in here in just a second.
	Just a second.
	We got Grid Moment.
	Grid One Motorsports.
	Yeah, these are going to linger.
	Okay, we got Trevor Brown.
	Thank you for the membership, man.
	Grid one motorsports.
	Cheek Hoppy Kiko, do you think before you speak, can a man sell pictures of his thump parano and pull six digits a month?
	It's true.
	Can a man walk into human resources department and get hired simply because he is a man?
	Affirmative action.
	Oh, oh, that's fine.
	Okay, grid one motorsports, all right?
	Can I say something?
	There's another.
	Okay.
	Make it.
	Do you know the lumberjack on Instagram that makes like millions of dollars?
	Yeah, just the guy who just smashes love that exactly.
	And he's like super famous just from cutting wood based off of his physique and his he doesn't make millions of dollars.
	Is he coming on the show?
	I invited.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	The guy who like tapped who's got the sleeve and he, yeah.
	Yeah, he cuts wood.
	Leo, I'll pull that up again in a sec.
	Donated $99.
	this is a man's world as it was built by men the competition in the world also makes a man's success very difficult so that man buying you that nobu is also a champion amongst men That's why he is so successful.
	Men pay their dues.
	Do you own the right?
	Yeah, but who gave birth to you?
	And why can't you say women don't pay their dues and women can't work as...
	I'm so confused as to why we can't also easily be working hard for a career.
	What is taking a donated $101?
	When CS grad stats are 85% men, 15% women, and the workforce reflects this as 60-40, you are statistically hiring less qualified women.
	Basic math.
	Ask Jackie.
	She was wrecked to take stats.
	If all women did STEM, maybe would be problem.
	Reality is they don't.
	Men and women pursue different things and have different interests.
	Bro, is he saying, is he saying?
	55 to 15%.
	Having a district as a man is not conducive to roles like being a grade school teacher, nurse, caretaker, etc.
	This is also why employers are more inclined to hire women for these roles over men.
	Men are often discriminated against for these.
	Is it discrimination for a woman to prefer a female OBGYN or like a female to do her Brazilian wax?
	Well, would a guy want a guy want a girl to do his valid?
	Would you rather have a guy or a girl do that?
	Check my junk.
	Do what?
	Check your...
	I'm...
	Are you talking about like a prostate exam?
	Prostate.
	Yeah.
	Would you want a guy or a girl to check your prostate?
	Be honest.
	I just prefer not to get my prostate.
	Be honest.
	just be honest I mean isn't it isn't it Don't they just put it on straight in?
	I don't care, honestly.
	I don't think I would care.
	I wouldn't care.
	I mean, if she was super hot, I'd be like, oh.
	All right, we have Leo here.
	Boomers had second wave feminism, don't need a man.
	Gen X had it in their whole lives.
	Millennials got third wave.
	Men are evil slash source of my problems at a young age.
	How on earth could you think society favors men?
	Only men 70 to 80 plus lived during a patriarchy.
	Word.
	Yeah, on that note, I would actually argue that we live in an often female-dominated world.
	Like almost all of my teachers growing up were women, and man, did they make sure all the boys stayed in line?
	Then throughout high school, almost all of my teachers were female.
	And then in college, I would say probably 70% of my teachers were female.
	Like it's not exactly what I would call a patriarchy.
	It is very interesting.
	Well, that's your specific experience because I don't know what the, again, statistically that is, because I had an opposite experience today.
	Most of your teachers growing up were men?
	From junior high on, men were men.
	Interesting.
	I mean, I had almost all male teachers in junior high, and it was freaking awesome.
	And that doesn't mean just because your teachers are a certain gender mean the whole world is female dominated because of that one workforce.
	Or paid like shit.
	Yeah, I was just thinking that they paid horribly.
	And there's always teacher strikes and menu.
	No, none of those women want to go do the tough blue-collar jobs.
	It's just sexism, you know, they're so disadvantaged.
	All right, we have WinPC99, girl on the far right.
	If you believe in equality, what is more equal than splitting the bill on a date?
	Is that to me?
	Yeah.
	Oh my God.
	Honestly, this question is boring.
	But again, like I said, women don't, it's not the money that I bring to a relationship that's valuable.
	And if he asked a woman on a date, but we're in a snowball so it's not that much better than a menu.
	Giving you a hard time.
	Okay.
	I would say YouTube, though, just to, I mean, just.
	No, YouTube is more profitable, for sure.
	Well, it's not even about profitable.
	I think it's more there's a greater degree of effort that typically goes into a YouTube video than a TikTok video.
	For sure, for sure.
	In any case, I was thinking about that earlier.
	I was thinking to myself about the fact that you have worked so hard to set up this entire facility and build this channel and do everything.
	And there's so few women in comparison that are building really successful YouTube channels like this.
	Why is that?
	Is it because of sexism or women just don't want to do that?
	What are the stats on that?
	I feel like there are a lot of YouTube channels that are running.
	Yeah, if you have some of the money, there are a lot of YouTube channels that are run by run by women, but when I'm thinking about successful podcasts and YouTube channels, there's a lot.
	By large, the majority of the ones that I see going viral across the internet are typically run by men.
	What are the stats?
	Maybe that's just my algorithm, though.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I feel like it's pretty even I see tons of successful women on YouTube Do you think it's because that's my algorithm?
	Do I think it's harder for women to be successful as a YouTuber than a man?
	Okay, unrelated to dating.
	I'm just going to cut that off.
	Okay, Jackie mentioned females in tech internship at her company.
	Does this mean I can have a males in tech internship and that is all fine and dandy?
	Or is that somehow sexism and the reverse is not?
	Well, I don't think you can have males in tech internship just because our company is like, I don't know, if you go to the elevator, there's like eight guys and two girls.
	But personally, I think that's also unfair as well.
	Okay.
	Do you think it'd be unfair?
	Wait, you think it's unfair that there's eight guys and two girls?
	No, I think it's unfair that there is only females in tech.
	I think it should just be like both genders.
	Okay.
	I think a lot of women just don't want the job.
	Well, I think they're trying to push more women into it, though.
	Because like you're saying, like we want, if we want equality, that means we do want women to be more in jobs, like you're saying, that are higher paying.
	And so things like females in tech or whatever it was called is their way, I think, of trying to get more women into the field so that can happen.
	Yeah, it's basic affirmative action.
	Go ahead.
	Are you finished with the video?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	I'm like, this is like a genuine, like curious, I'm like just genuinely like wondering this and like wondering what everybody's viewpoint of this is.
	Because obviously like I see, I understand what you guys are saying and like we have different perspectives and I think we need your perspective like and you need our perspective honestly.
	Like we need each other to like really get to the truth because I might have an extreme view to you and you have an extreme view to me, but we need each other because the truth is probably somewhere in the middle in my opinion.
	I mean that's a fallacious argument.
	In my opinion.
	And so I guess I'm just wondering because I do see like the lawyer and the doctor agreement and like the whole like jobs are more aggressive.
	That's why I don't want them because I don't want to be in my masculine.
	I want to be in my feminine.
	And I do, I am drawn to more positions that tap into my feminine.
	But I guess I kind of wonder if the structure of law from the beginning had more feminine energy, it was more balanced, it wasn't so aggressive, would there be more space for women?
	And is that what women are fighting for?
	Not to be in a man's world, but to make the nature of the job more feminine somehow.
	I don't know.
	I'm not natural of the job.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, because the way that it is right now.
	For a job to be more feminine.
	So, for instance, let's just take business as like just general business.
	What is the primary goal of business?
	To make money.
	Okay.
	So, for instance, like for me, when I was like, oh, to have a business, I have to network.
	Oh, I have to do marketing.
	I have to do sales.
	Like, all that stuff, I'm like, it sounds like I have to be all aggressive and shit.
	I don't really want to be in that vibe.
	But when I realign my thinking of what marketing is, I'm like, oh, marketing for me can be me being deeply myself and sharing who I am.
	And then when I think about sales, sales is just solving people's problems, right?
	And so for me, I don't like thinking about it sales, but if I think about it as empathy, if I think about it as, oh, you have a problem that I know how to solve and like I'm empathetic towards you, that's feminine, that's a feminine energy.
	When I think about it like that, I'm more drawn to sales.
	I'm more drawn to networking.
	If networking is building a community of people who support me, if I think about it in a more feminine way, I'm more drawn to business like that.
	I'm just saying, is there space for feminine energy in a masculine world when in the masculine workforce?
	No.
	And why?
	Why is that the case?
	I mean, that's your opinion.
	So, I mean, look.
	I'm not trying to be disrespectful or anything.
	No, for sure.
	This is a discussion.
	Goes back to what I said like 30 minutes ago.
	The feminist perspective seeks to restructure reality itself.
	Restructure what is at this moment?
	What has been and will always be.
	How do we know what will always be?
	I mean, you can look at the pattern of the last 5,000, 6,000 years.
	We've changed, though, no?
	Yeah, we have, and a lot of those changes have been bad.
	Here's the thing.
	Allow me to answer your question, okay?
	Yeah.
	Law.
	Can we restructure the structure of law in order to make it more feminine?
	What are two lawyers doing?
	In a court of law, two lawyers fighting against one another.
	What are they doing?
	Trying to prove their client innocent.
	Let's only linger on this because I feel like we've already dedicated nearly an hour and a half on this.
	Let's try to...
	I'm going to wrap it up quick.
	Business, law, medicine, all of the sales, for example.
	These are industries where you have to win.
	You have to win.
	It's not about like teaching, for example.
	I had female teachers that were very good with empathizing with the students.
	That's an important, just built into the structure of the job.
	That feminine energy is important.
	Law, you are working to win for your client.
	Business, you are working to win.
	Sales, yes, empathy is important, but salesmen, the most successful salesmen, are the most aggressive at the job.
	They're working hard at it.
	I know a lot of salesmen, they work freaking hard at their jobs.
	That's not one where you're just like feeling and like, you know, just in your feminine energy.
	It's like you have to work hard and follow up and like constantly follow up in order to hit your goals and your quotas and so on and so forth.
	It's masculine energy.
	And the world is a competitive place.
	And in order to succeed in a competitive world, you have to bring the masculine energy to the table.
	It will always be like that.
	So why do you think that feminine jobs aren't highly paid?
	Is it just because it's not as needed of a skill?
	There's supermodels that make millions of dollars.
	There's singers, dancers that make millions of dollars.
	You're talking about very masculine jobs that are male-dominated because you have to bring masculine energy.
	Well, it's also a question of scale too.
	Like a software engineer, for example, you can create a product that has scale that can reach thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of people.
	So there's more opportunity to make money.
	Whereas if you're like a nurse or a caregiver, there's only so many patients, for example, that you can see in a day.
	So you can't really scale that.
	And also human beings, you know, you were talking about hormones before.
	You know, as a woman, like you have, especially at different parts of your cycle, you have feminine energy that you feel.
	You know?
	Human beings are wired temperamentally on a biological level to be drawn towards certain things.
	One of the reasons why STEM is a male-dominated field is because a lot of women just aren't interested in it.
	We're never going to change that.
	It's just, it's the nature of reality.
	You can't change the nature of reality.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	And we have two more videos from you, but we'll maybe get into them a little bit later on in the show because I want to try to bring in a few of the other people here at the table.
	We have Jaclyn here.
	Jacqueline.
	In your bio, it says, you are the real sleeping beauty.
	What?
	Huh?
	What does that mean?
	I just love sleeping.
	You like sleeping.
	Yeah.
	I see.
	Okay.
	It's in your Instagram bio, so I was just curious.
	So you're a 33-year-old teacher from San Diego.
	You just broke up with your boyfriend who was eight years younger than you.
	Yeah.
	And you're looking to just talk about my crazy past with dating as I always pick the worst guys.
	Yeah.
	And so you were in a relationship, if I recall, you said, was this the four-year one that ended two weeks ago?
	Yeah.
	So you, were you 30 and he was 21 when you guys met?
	22.
	Yeah.
	He was 22 and you were 30.
	Yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And how did you meet him?
	Online.
	Dating app?
	Yeah.
	Craigslist.
	Exactly.
	No, it was a live stream app.
	A live stream?
	Omegly?
	What does that mean?
	No, it's called Meet Me.
	Huh?
	Meet Me.
	Meet Me.
	Yeah, and you can live stream and get.
	Oh.
	So were you live streaming and he messaged you or you messaged?
	Yeah.
	What were you live streaming?
	Just.
	My day.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	All right.
	What was his message to you?
	I can't remember.
	I think he was like.
	Yo, baby.
	He asked for my Snapchat and I said, I don't have a Snapchat.
	I said, if you want to get a hold of me, my Instagram and was he in San Diego?
	Instagram.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, he's in South Bay.
	These women, man, they talk to guys that immediately ask for the snap right off the bat and then they're like, why doesn't it work out?
	I don't really have snap.
	Four years later, why it didn't work out?
	You said, okay, so on again, off-again relationship, you said he was cheating and ghosted you multiple times.
	Yeah.
	Ghosted you.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So when, so the times when he would break up with me, he would do it in like such a like savage, disgusting way.
	Like he would just like stop talking to me.
	Like cut all communication.
	Like nothing.
	Like he wouldn't tell me anything.
	Like he would break up with you and then just stop talking to you?
	Or he would just get mad and just like cut communication.
	Isn't that like the best route?
	Like when you break up somebody that you should not talk to them?
	I want to know answers.
	Like what's happening?
	No, you don't deserve it.
	You don't deserve closure.
	Yeah.
	You don't deserve closure.
	Exactly.
	Nope.
	And like, whether you're a man or a woman, if you want out of a relationship, You don't need to provide justification for, in my view, I think you should have a proper breakup conversation.
	Yeah, just send a text.
	Yeah.
	But also, have you ever been ghosted?
	Do you know how that feels?
	And you're okay with just ghosting somebody?
	What are you going to do?
	Yeah.
	If you've been married for 10 years, just tech totally disagree.
	I want, I'm divorcing you, babe.
	Just send me a text.
	I'm being a bit facetious, but no, but I mean, like, would he break up with you in person or how would he?
	Never like, okay.
	Never.
	He would just get mad about something and then just like stop, like cut all communications off, like probably go bang a couple chicks and then miss.
	Just kidding.
	No, for sure.
	I'm almost positive that's what happened.
	I don't know for sure, everyone's.
	Right.
	And so then he would, whatever, miss me, this, that, and then come back.
	And then like.
	Wait.
	So, okay, he's a younger guy, right?
	Have you always dated younger guys?
	Since I've gotten older, yeah, I don't know.
	So at some point, it switched where like I was the older one and they were younger.
	When was that?
	When did that switch?
	Because I got older.
	I don't know.
	When I was younger, it was like older guys and now that I'm 13.
	Is that the biggest age gap, the eight-year one, or have you had bigger?
	No, I would say that's, yeah, absolutely.
	That's the biggest.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, with age gaps in adult relationships.
	Yeah.
	Although it does seem to me typically women are far more likely to date older men, so that's a bit unique.
	So, okay, you met him on a live streaming thing.
	Yeah.
	Were you guys living together?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	Were you financially supporting him, given that you were perhaps a bit more established in your career?
	You were older than him?
	Or was it 50-50?
	Nah, not at all.
	Like, it was definitely, you know, I noticed like at the very beginning of us talking that he would do some like things.
	Like he'd be like, oh, you're going to buy me dinner, right?
	And I was just like, I let it slide a couple times.
	And then finally, I was like, this is not some kind of like sugar mama type shit.
	Like, this is not going to go on.
	Like, you know, and then after I was assertive, like, he stopped doing it.
	Like, he didn't do it anymore.
	So then when we got more comfortable with each other, then it was much more like you buy something.
	It became normal because we both had bought things for each other sometimes.
	If you were dating a 30-year-old guy, would you expect him to, like, if you went on a date, would you expect him to pay for stuff?
	If he asked me on a date, yes.
	Okay.
	We should, okay.
	Well, I don't want to, we'll come back to the whole who pays thing, but okay.
	So he was, would you consider him a leech, kind of?
	No.
	Not a leech.
	Not a leech.
	Okay.
	Selfish.
	Oh, selfish.
	Selfish, but he didn't, yeah.
	Okay.
	You also wrote here, you dated a Romeo pimp one time without realizing.
	What is a Romeo pimp?
	Okay, so a Romeo pimp is a type of pimp that when they type of pimp.
	Yeah, I know.
	This is all new to me, too.
	So when I learned, but it's like a type of guy who he like love bombs girls so that they fall in love with him.
	And then from that point, he manipulates them to go out and have sex and make money.
	I did not do that.
	Oh.
	To make that very clear.
	Did he process him?
	I did not do that.
	Did he probably?
	Yeah, he did.
	I didn't know that he was a pimp at all.
	And it's a really long story of how I even like came out.
	Did you wear a fuzzy hat?
	No, that's so funny.
	I was like, that's how I envisioned pimps.
	But like, I'm from San Diego and like San Diego is just.
	Was it a white guy?
	He.
	He was Middle Eastern.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	So he's a legit pimp.
	He went to jail for four years when he was 18 for pimping and pandering.
	And so he, while he was dating you, did he, were you aware of like other, like he had a roster of women he was pimping out?
	No, so I met him after he had gotten out of jail and I met him through a mutual friend who had living with me.
	Did you know he had been in jail?
	I didn't know he had been in jail.
	How recently?
	I didn't know what for.
	Recently, after he got out of jail, did you start dating him?
	I'm not 100% sure.
	I want to say it was like maybe six months.
	It wasn't very long.
	You said you didn't know.
	It never occurred to you to ask why he was in jail.
	I figured it was drugs.
	You know what?
	I almost want to say, because this was a while ago, I almost want to say, like, they said it was drugs.
	Like, they didn't say it was pimping and pandering.
	Like, his friends did not tell me, nor did he tell me it was pimping and pandering.
	Like, they had said something different.
	I don't know 100% sure what it was.
	If it was, I can't remember to be honest, but it was not what that.
	How long were you dating him?
	Oh, my God.
	Like, so disgusting.
	Like, maybe like a month.
	It wasn't.
	Yeah, it was so bad.
	Like, question.
	So, at what point in that month that you were dating him did you find out that he was you're saying he used to be a pimp or even when he was dating you?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Well, he tried to turn you, turn you out.
	Yeah, he would like manipulate and like make suggestions like, oh, if you got a boob job, you know, you could make a lot of money stripping.
	Like, da, da, da.
	And so, like, I saw these things and I was just like, like, what the fuck?
	You know?
	And then finally, I had another friend.
	That's a huge.
	Yeah, I think it's hilarious.
	He went to jail for pimping and gets out immediately, starts trying to turn her out.
	Yeah, and like, it was just like a really creepy relationship.
	Like, he wanted me to, like, stay, like, I could not talk to any guys.
	Like, my head would have to be down.
	Like, he wanted me to stay in the room when he left and like all this stuff.
	And I just was not about it.
	Like, I was like, was he trying to isolate you from like people in your life?
	Hell yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Why did you decide to date someone who went to jail in the first place?
	It's a great question.
	Oh, yeah, that is a really good question.
	I don't know.
	That stuff doesn't necessarily bother me, I guess.
	Like, doesn't strike you as a red flag.
	It should.
	It should have, right?
	Looking like hindsight, but yeah, you know, if somebody has like a criminal record, but they're like doing something better for themselves.
	Like I said, she was horrible, guys.
	Like, horrible.
	We'll get into that.
	We'll get into that.
	I have some notes here.
	Wait, so remind me, what point in the one-month relationship did you find out that he was a pimp?
	Like, very close to when it ended.
	I want to say, like, it was like a week before, like, shit, shit, like, hit the fan.
	Like, my friend ended up dragging him out of my bed, like, beating his ass.
	Like, it was a whole thing.
	You're a male friend or female friend?
	Male friend.
	Like, what did he do?
	I don't know.
	They had like a fight or something.
	And then he, like, that was my friend who was living with me at the time.
	So they had a fight.
	And so we were literally asleep in my room.
	And he came into my room, ripped him out of bed, beat his ass, and threw all his stuff out.
	And like, pretty much gave me the rundown of like everything that was going on, what he was doing.
	And after that, I was like, thank you.
	And what was he doing?
	F you.
	Just talking to a bunch of girls, trying to pimp again, you know, trying to like, you know, live that life.
	Was your friend trying to save you from him, basically?
	I think he had gotten into a fight with him about something like non-related and it just fit the narrative for him.
	I don't think he like went out of his way to like be like a hero or anything.
	I'm not going to give him that credit, but it worked in my advantage.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Why do you, why do you pick such bad guys?
	I don't know.
	What's your relationship like with your dad?
	It's really good now.
	It was a little bit rough growing up, but I have a really positive, good relationship with my dad.
	I have for the past 10 years.
	So, but growing up, it was a little rocky.
	Yeah, but now good.
	So, okay, you dated this guy.
	He was in jail.
	You said you'd like to talk about how hard it is to date in this day and age.
	How?
	I think one of you guys had mentioned it.
	It's just like with social media, it's like everything is, it's just, it's so hard because you just have constant temptation.
	Like you have constant, like, you can hit up a girl in their DMs and you can do this.
	And it's just constant temptation all the time.
	Oh, so are you saying that it's a man thing?
	No, I think it's a man.
	The men have temptation.
	Hold on.
	The men have temptation and the women are totally innocent in this whole social media dynamic.
	Not at all.
	I mean, there's lots of temptation for women, too.
	I mean, there's lots of guys that will DM you.
	I mean, probably way so more than men, depending on what guy, you know, what kind of guy you are.
	But I just think there's so easy now.
	Like, it's so easy to, like, not value the person you're in because you think you deserve someone better.
	You're looking at this girl, and why doesn't just like comparison?
	It's just so like mental fuck, you know?
	And so it just makes things a lot more difficult, I think.
	But you don't have to do social media.
	that's true or you could also like how would i meet people then if i didn't do social media I love your conversation.
	Go out and hang out with him.
	I know.
	It's so wholesome.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Are you saying social media is a bad thing or a good thing?
	I think both.
	I think both.
	I think there's a lot of good things that come from social media, like, you know, creativity, like stuff like this.
	Like, I watch YouTube all the time, like, every day.
	Just like dating-wise?
	Dating-wise, definitely.
	I think it's bad.
	I think it's toxic and bad.
	That's how you meet people.
	Yeah, it's the only way I meet people.
	Because she wants to stay home.
	Yeah.
	I'm a homebody, though.
	I'm a homebody.
	I don't really go out.
	I don't really, I don't drink.
	I don't go out.
	Like, I'm a complete homebody.
	Like, I want to, like, I want to stay in all the time.
	Did it used to be that way?
	Like, did you used to, like, in your younger years, crazy party?
	Super young, like, 17, 16, 18.
	But, like, I've been a homebody for a long time, which is why I don't really meet people like the normal way.
	It's like I have to meet people through.
	I'm a homebody.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You said that it makes you feel pretty hopeless in actually finding someone that you'll marry and have kids with so late in the game.
	When you say so late in the game, do you mean because you're 33?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	And you mentioned that the relationship that you were in, it was a four-year on-again, off-again relationship.
	It ended two weeks ago, and this person was eight years your junior.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Do you think that being in an on-again, off-again situationship, you consider it a situationship, correct?
	There's definitely a relationship.
	Oh, relationship.
	With someone eight years your junior, who, I mean, clearly you aren't going to get stability and commitment from, especially for the past four years when this is a pretty critical time period for finding a husband.
	Do you think that maybe, I mean, he was 21 when you were 30?
	22, yeah.
	Or 22?
	Yeah.
	I mean, do you think most 22-year-old men are like ready to get married and have kids?
	I wasn't married or ready to have kids at that moment in my life either.
	Yeah, I think on average, that's around like 29, I think, or is it 27, the average age of marriage for women, I think.
	Or maybe it was just like with him particular, I just didn't see that, or I wasn't like ready to go.
	You spent some pretty critical years there dating a man eight years your junior.
	Not that I have anything against age gaps, but I suspect most 22-year-old men are not really looking to get married and have kids and whatnot.
	By the way, the TTSs are...
	Can you pull that last TTS back up?
	I want to just maybe get through some of this stuff.
	It's still relevant, dude.
	Here, let me take a look.
	Let's see.
	One sec, guys.
	One sec.
	Okay, here we go.
	Why don't we pull it up?
	Gretnak donated $99.
	This shows that women choose the absolute biggest deadbeats and afterwards say all men are the same.
	And most single mothers chose these people and wonder why they don't pay child support.
	Also, Chase, thanks for being a reason for my way back to Christ.
	Stoked to hear that, bro.
	Gretneck.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I would say that super chat touches on the point you're making pretty well.
	You're saying you want one thing, which is you want to find a husband and someone to have kids with, correct?
	Yeah.
	You want to find a good man.
	You've expressed, you know, a fear of like ending up with a deadbeat that's just going to leave you hanging.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Why are you messing around with these 21-year-old dudes and these dudes that are just out of jail?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so that's the guy who's just out of jail.
	We're just not going to count him.
	Well, we count him.
	That was a very quick mistake.
	But with him, I don't know because people will ask me, they'll be like, Do you think that the age gap had anything to do with you guys breaking up?
	And it didn't.
	It wasn't the age gap.
	It was just literally like.
	I'm not asking about why you guys would break up.
	If you want to find a solid dude, why are you duding?
	Why are you dating these non-solid dudes?
	I pick the worst guys.
	I see you.
	Why don't you start picking good guys if you want to get married?
	You can't keep playing this game forever if you want to be a wife and a mother.
	Just want kids.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, all right, some chad comes along.
	He's like 22.
	He's like, What's up, girl?
	And he's trying to smash.
	Are you going to date him?
	Are you going to be like, No, I'm looking for a husband?
	Yeah, no, I'm not going to date.
	I'm not going to make that mistake again because, like you said, I think it's like a critical time period if I did want to have children.
	And like, I do want children, but like, I made that face because like my sister has two children right now.
	She's three years older than me.
	And every time, like, it's like, oh, they're a lot of work.
	But it's like, I hope one day that I do.
	But yeah, I do definitely need to be.
	It's worth reevaluating your dating strategy to optimize for the kind of guy you're looking for.
	For sure, like whoever I allow into my space, because it's not like it's like I have like options.
	It's like I'm just choosing the wrong guy because I think that's what I'm attracted to, which is an issue because I'm not sure.
	I think you're attracted to the wrong kind of guy.
	I'm definitely attracted to the wrong kind of stuff for sure.
	What is that?
	Just like bad boys.
	I know.
	I know.
	It's so difficult.
	We should go around the table on this.
	Who here likes and is attracted to bad boys?
	One.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Bad boys.
	I've never been attracted to bad boys.
	Oh, okay.
	That's good.
	All right.
	No bad boys.
	Come on.
	There's been one or two.
	One or two.
	There's been one.
	On and off relationship.
	I'm going to go to the bathroom.
	One or two bad boys.
	But I wouldn't.
	Like, from a first glance, I feel like they're not that, though.
	Like, they're not like the typical stereotype.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I feel like.
	Not fresh out of jail.
	Just not attractive, and that's why it ends because I don't like it.
	Okay, bad boys.
	Yeah.
	This is weird, but I tend to like guys that were and are now like a reformed bad boy.
	They're a bad boy.
	You know, they were bad.
	They've been through a lot of shit and came out on the other side.
	Different person.
	I don't know.
	I like that.
	No, I'm not surprised by it at all.
	The psychology completely makes sense.
	You like the bad boys.
	I just want to fix them and then class them.
	And then once I figure out that I can't, I'm like, peace out.
	Sorry.
	It's not working out.
	Okay.
	Bad boys?
	No.
	No, I like guys that treat me well.
	So wholesome.
	No, I think it's immature.
	Okay.
	You got to fix this bad boy habit.
	Yes, I do.
	It's not.
	Well, I'm like, what?
	We should watch that.
	If you don't fix this, you're going to screw up your window of opportunity.
	Yeah.
	Can I give you just one piece of advice?
	Please do.
	I'm listening.
	I don't know.
	The one you sent.
	If he asks for your Snapchat, stop it there.
	And then I just give them my number.
	No, if he, no, no, no.
	Don't go out with that guy.
	If he asks for your Snapchat at all.
	What does he ask for?
	I agree with that fully.
	Look, let me break it down for you, okay?
	Dudes that ask for Snapchats, to use a common term nowadays, dudes that ask for Snapchats are fuckboys.
	Okay, I'm blowing a lot of dudes' games out there right now.
	These are extremely immature ones.
	Like, be a little more clever, at least.
	You gotta be a smart fuckboy if you're gonna be a fuckboard boy.
	It's like this: if a guy's asking for your Snapchat, he wants no record or trace of your guys' messages.
	He also probably wants nudes, and he's making it clear right off the bat.
	He has no serious intentions for the relationship.
	What if a girl asks for her snap?
	She's applying for 16 to the fucking streets.
	She's like Instagram changes.
	If a girl asks for my Snapchat, I'm not sure.
	I don't even fucking have a sneaker.
	How many freaking dudes are you hooking up with, to be honest?
	What's she trying to hide?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Why can't the message be permanent, son?
	Yeah.
	Do you apply the same ideas to Instagram or like any social media?
	No, Instagram's different.
	So the thing about Instagram, I mean, if you're trying to find like a partner through Instagram, there's stuff you can do.
	You know, first off, you're going to attract what you are.
	So if you're posting booty pics all over the place and like thirst traps and stuff like that, you're going to get guys that just want to smash.
	Those are the dudes that are going to be sliding into your DMs, right?
	If a woman's posting like tasteful, conservative, modest images of herself where she's showcasing her beauty, but not like her body, she's going to attract a different caliber of guy.
	And it also comes down to what is the DM that he sends you.
	Yeah.
	You know, like read the energy.
	Is he just trying to smash or is he like genuinely curious in who you are as a person?
	Yeah.
	Because if guys are, if guys are trying to smash right off the bat, like it's probably not a dude that's serious about a long-term relationship with you.
	Yeah.
	No, not necessarily.
	You can smash pretty early on and still want a long-term relationship.
	I think a lot of people are ruining Brian's game right now.
	Like long-term relationships.
	I've had some fantastic long-term relationships.
	I had a five-year or two-year, nine-month.
	You can hook up on the first, second, or third date.
	Just saying.
	Just saying.
	Yes, and marriages will still come from that.
	But the point that I'm making is you're a woman who's looking for marriage, right?
	You're a woman who's looking for marriage.
	If you have guys sliding into your Instagram DMs and they're trying to smash right off the bat, the percentage of them that are actually trying to have a marriage with you are probably going to be quite low because a lot of bad boys nowadays know they can slide into a girl's DMs and smash.
	How do you know the difference between who is a bad boy and who is just faking it?
	Do you want to know the real answer?
	Yes, I do.
	If you refuse to have sex with him right off the bat, then you'll know real quick whether or not he's a bad boy.
	How long?
	I don't know.
	That's a whole lot.
	Well, I mean, if you're trying to optimize for marriage, just don't have sex with him until your wedding night.
	No, Well, then good luck.
	Yeah.
	Good luck.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	But I mean, seriously, if you hold out for like a month or a couple of months, like if you don't want to wait for marriage and you hold out for, you know, three, four, five, six, seven, eight dates, whatever, you tell him, hey, I don't want to have sex right off the bat.
	Like the guys that are actually serious about you for you are going to be willing to wait.
	I have a fear that if you make a man wait, he will cheat on you.
	I mean, well then you don't want them.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, but one of the issues I have with this whole like waiting thing, that ought to have, look, it's a difficult position.
	I think it ought to have been your standard the entire time, though.
	You spent your 20s fucking around racking up.
	Maybe you didn't, but if you spent your 20s just jumping from dick to dick to dick and then you hit your 30s.
	Okay, now I've got to find a husband and now you're going to make this guy who's deserving of marriage.
	You're going to make this guy wait.
	It just like, at least from my point of view, I feel like that guy's a sucker.
	So I, but it's a damn, I do empathize with women on this because on one hand, it's like, well, I'm not going to advocate for you to just continue perpetually throughout life, just running, like letting men run through you.
	But also it's like, as a guy, like, I don't know, Chase, how you'd feel about this.
	Let's say a woman that you encounter and perhaps you wouldn't even date a woman like this to begin with, but you found out that she had 30 previous sexual partners, and I know that's too high for you, and that's pretty high body count, I reckon.
	She, all those guys, she slept with them the first night, but then for you, we're waiting till marriage to have sex.
	On one hand, it's good that you're ceasing your promiscuity, but also it's like, I don't know, it just like doesn't sit right with me.
	It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for a guy, for sure.
	I mean, it's like, hey, you let all these other guys hit right off the bat, but you're going to make me wait because you want to try and lock me down.
	Like, that's that's gun.
	There's a meme about this.
	Nick, can you find the flower cuck meme?
	There's a meme about this.
	No, it's you're gonna have to Google it.
	Um, so it is also like the thing, it is also kind of a female mating strategy.
	Like a lot of women hit their 30s and they slept with a bunch of dudes.
	They slept with a bunch of dudes in their 20s, but then they're like, hey, like, I want to settle down now.
	And yeah, like, that's going to be a tough pill for a lot of guys to swallow.
	But like, again, it's like you've got to, the way I see it, you've got two options.
	You can either keep screwing around with guys that aren't serious about you and then find yourself in your mid to late 30s with fewer options, which a lot of women do, and then they end up unhappy non-antidepressants drinking wine with their cats for the rest of their lives.
	You don't want that outcome.
	Don't talk about my aunt like that.
	Show it to me on this month.
	It's like, that's, that's one you don't.
	You don't need to, that's a risk, minimize just, or actually maybe you do.
	The other path is, no, it's not that it's be wise, it's that one.
	But that's how you're going about this.
	Different, like the, the idea look, the ideal outcome here, especially for marriage in general.
	You want to find a guy who doesn't want you just for your body, doesn't want you just for sex, but who loves you for you, you know.
	And the thing about the, when you introduce sex into an equation, it complicates everything.
	Right, like the way I approach it.
	It's like okay, if a woman tells me hey, I want to wait till marriage, I'm like, if I really love her like I'm not saying I'm gonna want to sleep with her beforehand, but if I really love her, I'm gonna be like yo, like that I share that value, like I want to do that, you know, and it's not gonna be a problem for me, like I really love her.
	It's like yes, let's do that, you know, but if a guy doesn't really love you for you, he's not gonna be content with that, you know.
	And I'm not saying that you have to save yourself from marriage.
	I would advocate you.
	I would advocate that.
	I know Brian disagrees, but like removing sex from the equation, the point that I'm making is it's going to filter all of the guys that just want to use you.
	You have to filter all of the guys that just want to use you, is my point, and you haven't been filtering them.
	And for your goals getting married, having a family you need to start filtering out all the bad boys that just want to use you.
	Yeah, she's not attracted to those guys, though I can be.
	No, I am, I'm not, I'm not not attracted.
	Maybe you need to find what she's talking about.
	The reformed bad boy exactly.
	Are there.
	Is that a thing?
	Is it a thing?
	Is there reformed bad boys?
	Yeah, bad boys used to be bad boys and now they're good boys.
	Yeah, there's this term called hibristophilia.
	It's basically uh, let me, let me just look it up really quick.
	Hold on yeah, I mean I, I I know reformed bad boys, like I know dudes with like 100 plus body counts that became christians and then they're like yo, like i'm saving it for marriage now.
	So hibristophilia is the phenomenon of an individual being sexually aroused by a criminal offender, and this is much more documented in women than in men.
	So real, I think uh, there is a non-negligible cohort of women who, I would say, perhaps not to the extreme of say, being attracted to and pursuing a man who's like a serial killer or even a criminal uh, but they've done studies on this and a much larger non-negligible portion of women cohort of women find dark triad personality traits attractive, narcissism narcissism machiavella, machiavellianism and psycho psychopathy.
	Um, You ever seen the stats on the most common types of pornography that women look up?
	No.
	Oh, man, it's crazy.
	I think the five most common themes that women look up in pornography are werewolves.
	What?
	Yeah, werewolves, pirates, surgeons, billionaires.
	I can't remember what the last one is.
	Is this for, I don't know if it's for prawn or if it's for like romance novels.
	That's for pornography.
	Werewolf porn.
	Huh?
	Yeah.
	Those are the most werewolves shit.
	Those are the most common Google searches.
	Also, like, Jordan Peterson's talked about it.
	Like, women just sending a bunch of like serial killers letters and that comes into play.
	That's definitely a little concerning.
	Emily, we have...
	Actually, let me just trigger these.
	Nah.
	Nah, nah, nah, nah.
	Here, let me trigger these really quick, and then I have a couple more.
	Yo, Adam, thank you, man.
	Adam Baxter donated $99.
	All I'm hearing is you ladies aren't willing to do the difficult jobs that pay a decent wage.
	That isn't discrimination.
	That isn't sexism.
	That's lack of effort.
	Lack of will to provide.
	I don't break my back because I love doing it.
	It's done for my gal.
	Oh, there's a good video.
	That's a great comment.
	There's two videos.
	There's the kid video and then the working.
	We'll react to those clips later.
	And then we have Doc Van Adlis here.
	Microchimerism is real.
	It has been well studied in women with autoimmune disorders.
	DNA from fetus crosses the placenta.
	Also can acquire DNA via blood transfusions.
	However, DNA from sperm donors, that's news.
	I'm trying to find that data from Doc Van Adlis.
	Thank you very much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Emily here.
	Let's see.
	So you were on the show.
	You've been on the show twice.
	Have you gotten any DMs from guys, like sighing into the DMs?
	Yeah, a lot.
	How many?
	Well, they filter out of my requests if I don't respond to them, but I'd say like probably more than like 30 or maybe 20 to 30.
	Okay, that's not too much.
	Crazy, but.
	And have you responded to any of them?
	I responded to one because it was really nice and the way he wrote it.
	I was just like, oh, like, I got to respond to that.
	He was really respectful.
	What did he say?
	He was just saying, gave me a lot of compliments, said I was respectable, and brought up a few of the points I said last time, just said that I was bringing like common sense and do a lot of things.
	Sure.
	You wrote in one of your pre-show notes, modern dating scares you because of how many people just want to have meaningless casual sex and not actually connect.
	Have you ever had casual sex in high school, yeah?
	Huh, okay.
	All right.
	You said, I wish dating was how it used to be seen in old movies with traditional gentlemen who will court a lady and take her out on lots of dates and hold the door, etc.
	Ladies here at the table, do you agree with that?
	Do you wish that dating was how it used to be?
	Traditional old movies.
	Flowers holding the door.
	Wait, doesn't, I haven't seen the movie, but doesn't this motherfucker like build this chick a house?
	Yes.
	That's some simple shit.
	That is simp as fuck.
	That's awesome.
	Don't build a fucking house for some chick.
	What?
	Doesn't he die?
	Does he die for her or something?
	No, He takes care of her until old age.
	Even if he's dementia, this guy built her a fucking house.
	Even the blue shutters.
	Yeah.
	Everything.
	Brov, that's so.
	I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know.
	It's actually quite romantic.
	bro imagine like but come on modern times like building a house oh let me that's like the let me build you dog if she's hello If she's the woman of your dreams and like it makes her whole world, like, what's wrong with that, man?
	And you lock her down?
	Like, what's wrong with that?
	I think with today's housing, like, if someone could build you a house, then yeah, I'd sign up for that any day.
	Especially if it's like a man I'm gonna marry, you can build my house, I could say it in the future.
	Yeah, my man built this house.
	Like, that's such a flex.
	But dudes are watching right now taking notes, and they're like, yo, I need to figure out how to build a house for Emily.
	But okay, so you said you wish dating was how it used to be seen in old movies, traditional gentleman, court lady, et cetera, et cetera.
	Just around the table, do you agree with that?
	I'm somewhere in the middle.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	I like courting.
	Yeah, sure.
	Definitely courting, yeah.
	That would be lovely if that happened.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think it could still exist if you've picked the right guy.
	Wait, sorry, what is like modern dating like?
	Not me.
	Not in the middle of the day.
	Emily, want to ask what is modern dating like?
	Emily, explain it.
	Go ahead.
	Modern dating.
	I'd say I think a lot of a few of the ladies here.
	Loose pussy energy.
	I'm a pause on this one.
	What?
	Oh, fuck.
	Sorry.
	Trying to get saved.
	She wants to get saved.
	Hustler, feminist on the right fell.
	Get used to being alone with your cats.
	Abdul, you know what to do.
	Get the rocks.
	Hashtag your shirt sucks.
	Get the rocks.
	Abdul.
	I'm a fireback.
	Get the rocks.
	I'm going to fire back because he's calling me a simp and captain save a hoe.
	Look, bro, you can call me whatever you want to call me.
	The reality is, there's millions of women out there making the same kind of mistakes that she's making, and it bums me out to see anyone spend the rest of their lives alone and unhappy.
	I don't want that to happen to her if she keeps messing around with bad boys for the rest of her life.
	And I would like, hopefully, some other woman out there to learn from these mistakes and correct course, dude, because these freaking wine ants living with their cats on antidepressants are ruining our society, dude.
	These are all the women that are voting for Hillary and railing against the patriarchy and doing all this kind of stuff.
	We need less of this, okay?
	I need, I want to stop this.
	Thank you.
	Shots fired.
	Okay.
	Emily, what's like traditional dating?
	Okay, so I'd say traditional dating is, wait, did she ask what modern or traditional was?
	Modern.
	Modern dating is like, yeah, women are expected to pay 50-50, like she said, or take on like a little bit of more of a leadership role in the relationship, like planning dates.
	What?
	You don't think like the woman should follow in her man's lead?
	Like, I feel like a lot of people.
	I was agreeing with you, but go ahead.
	Oh, you are?
	Okay.
	Well, not about the paying thing.
	Not about the paying thing.
	Brian doesn't like paying.
	Not about the paying.
	Right.
	Brian doesn't want to pay.
	He doesn't want to build any houses.
	He wants to sign into the DMs and have her come over with zero financial investment.
	That's beautiful.
	That's great.
	Cheapest approach possible.
	Boom.
	Modern solutions to modern problems.
	Go ahead.
	In other societies, like not Western culture and other cultures, men were required to show bank statements and financial bank accounts just to prove that they could financially provide for a woman.
	No, that's true.
	That's honestly based.
	Yeah, in a lot of cultures, men were literally required to show like, this is how much money I have.
	This is my taxes.
	I can provide for her family.
	I was with that.
	Hold on, let me say that.
	I agree with that.
	I agree with that.
	I also, you know, in some of those societies where they had to show like bank statements or had to show, I don't know what to do.
	Probably bars of gold or some shit.
	I don't fucking know.
	Also, they would be like, they had to look at the pussy and make sure the hymen was intact.
	Hello?
	Did that actually happen?
	But I feel like...
	If you want that, then shouldn't women be virgins?
	There's...
	There's no way to tell if a hymen intact is the result of losing your virginity, actually.
	That's true.
	That is true.
	However, I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's right.
	I'm just saying that's how it used to be, son.
	And also, like, but back then they didn't have a microscope to go up there and check if it was.
	No, you just don't need a microscope to look at the fucking hymen.
	You just look at it with your eyeballs.
	You can see a hymen?
	How did they change?
	I can see a hymen.
	No.
	Here, get on the table.
	Bro, what do you mean?
	Were you taking, like, tongs out?
	Yeah, what do you mean?
	You don't need a...
	Just spreading?
	I don't know.
	I'm a feminist.
	It's deep in there.
	The hymen's not deep in there.
	It's literally by the cervix.
	How do you think you're not going to be able to do that?
	The hymen.
	Whoa, am I teaching you female anatomy here?
	The hymen's at the entrance of the vagina.
	It's not at the cervix.
	Entrance?
	The hymen.
	Wait, are they actually teaching me anatomy?
	Is it really at the entrance?
	It's not at the cervix.
	I thought it was near the cervix.
	No, the cervix is at the very bottom of the LBG by this.
	No, the hymen is at.
	No, no, no.
	The hymen is at the front.
	Bro, why am I teaching women female anatomy?
	Hello?
	It's at the entrance of the vaginal canal.
	No, let's not pull it on.
	How do I know this?
	Because I'm a researched, I'm a learned man, Chase.
	I know these things.
	Yeah, Brian's right.
	Like, if you were to say, hey, I'll agree with the idea that we need to go back to showing the father bars of gold for his virgin daughter.
	I think that'd be sick.
	Like, we should totally return to those traditions.
	Not saying that we need to take out calipers and check for hymen.
	What do you think about that?
	The whole gold bar, hymen thing.
	Are you down for that?
	No.
	You're not down?
	It's not feminism, bro.
	Is it not down?
	No.
	For which part?
	The gold bar part or the hymen part?
	Not down for that.
	The virginity?
	The virginity thing?
	Okay, okay, we'll come back to that.
	We'll come back to that.
	Okay, so Emily, hold on.
	All right.
	You said that.
	Wait, okay.
	Hold on.
	So, okay.
	If that's what men were and are expected to do, so be traditional gentlemen who will court a lady, take her out on lots of dates, hold the door, get flowers, provide, etc.
	What are women expected to do?
	Well, you create a home.
	Obviously, if you're dating long-term and you live with somebody, so like, no, let me ask you a question, though.
	Let me try to clarify.
	So, it seems to me that women demand men on the very early on in the relationship to adhere to these traditional gender roles.
	But women say, well, that's because months or years down the fucking road, maybe possibly, I will have your kids and I will be the caretaker of the home.
	I'm asking up front, what are women expected to do?
	Because you can go on a first date with a guy and expect him to pay for the first date, and there's like how much women are expected to do.
	Usually it's have sex.
	Traditionally speaking, no.
	No, no, no.
	Modern, modern day.
	So men.
	But I'm asking from a traditional.
	What are women expected to do?
	Well, traditionally speaking, there would not be a lot of time in between the dating and then finally getting married.
	It would be a quicker kind of.
	How quick?
	I'd say traditionally, lots of people.
	And this still even happens in the South.
	People get married like very early, around like 21, 22.
	Like, especially in the South where it's more traditional, women and men will get married very early on, and then the woman is already performing her role in the house.
	So it's like more of a matter of how long are you going to date somebody before you go?
	You're making, but okay, but we do also live in modern times.
	So I guess my argument I'm trying to make is that women, even feminist women or modern women, still demand and expect men to adhere to their traditional gender roles when it comes to protecting, providing, paying for first dates, et cetera.
	So again, I'm asking, if these are all things that men are expected to do early on in the relationship, what are women expected to do?
	Oh, I think that's particular to every man.
	Actually, they're not three because I feel like every man would like to.
	I'd rather let the women answer this.
	I feel like a lot of men would agree on what they would traditionally want her to give them, but I feel like some men, like he said, he wants a woman to be there and be his entire support system.
	So I feel like that's, he could probably speak for a lot of men, but.
	But okay, you've listed, like, I'm sure all the women here could list like a dozen things or a handful of things that you expect a guy to do fairly early on in a relationship.
	So I'm asking, what do you think men expect you to do or to bring early on in a relationship or the courtship process?
	I would say good behavior, probably.
	Well, that's expected of both men and women.
	Hold on, let's let the girls answer.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	Go ahead.
	Do you have more?
	This is a great question.
	Do you have more?
	No, actually, I want to hear what everybody else has to say.
	Okay, here.
	Actually, here, we'll go with you.
	We'll go around, then we'll end with you.
	Go ahead.
	I think it would be good to establish who does think courtship, traditional courtship, is cool.
	You said you were like 50-50.
	No, she wants men to pay for the first date, so she's not 50-50.
	First aid, but are we also talking about courtship, like traditional courtship, or no?
	Well, she wants, I'm assuming you want that.
	Courtship is a very specific term.
	Yeah, what is that?
	I don't know what's going on.
	mean dating I think we're getting away from the okay for example in your video you say you want a guy to pay for the first date right Okay, so that's what you're expecting the guy to do.
	What are women expected to do?
	Yeah.
	I would say that the beginning stages of a relationship, both parties are signaling the value that they offer to each other.
	So a man, by paying for the first date, is signaling provider energy.
	So I think what the woman brings is signaling to a man that she can bring feminine energy.
	So that's by not being overly masculine.
	That's by being a nurturing presence.
	That's by being interested in what he has.
	It's getting to know his mission, his values, and seeing if they align with hers.
	And it's signaling to him, like, I will also allow you to be this masculine role in my life, and that's also what I'm looking for.
	So that's what I would do, and that's how I've found success.
	People can do whatever they want.
	That's what I would say I bring to the table.
	The question, again, is like, what I bring?
	I feel like I completely agree.
	Like, I feel like it's not what you bring.
	It's like what should be expected of you if you're expecting the man to take that masculine role and pay for the dates.
	Well, here, let me really quick.
	Just yes or no.
	Who should pay for the first date?
	I would like if the man paid for the first date.
	The man who asked me, yeah.
	The man.
	I'd like the man, but be fine with 50-50.
	Sure.
	The man.
	The man.
	The man, unless I don't like him.
	I think whoever asks should pay.
	Well.
	For first date.
	Who here has asked out a guy?
	No.
	And if you, well, and if you have, if you had to break up the percentage more often than not, who's asking who?
	Go ahead.
	Oh, well, are you asking if I've asked?
	Yeah, have you asked out a guy?
	No.
	Have you asked out a guy?
	Yeah.
	More often than not, though, who's asking who?
	Definitely guys are asking girls.
	What percentage for you?
	90% the guy's asking.
	Maybe one time you asked a guy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, one time she asked a guy out.
	Okay.
	I have.
	I'd say it's like 80-20.
	Sure.
	I will pitch the idea, but then he'll ask.
	I'm not sure what that means, but okay.
	I've never asked.
	I've never asked a guy out.
	I have not.
	Huh?
	I haven't.
	Emily?
	No.
	But so, how can you sit there and in good faith say whoever asks should pay, yet you know by your own admission that it's just almost, I don't know if it's naive or just glossing over the fact that de facto, we know that men have to take initiative and men are the askers.
	Well, no, you're assuming that I've never ever paid for a date before.
	I feel like that's.
	No, what we're talking about, you said whoever asked.
	Because I've never asked somebody.
	I've never asked them on a date.
	So, yeah, I'm saying if I asked a man on a date, I would pay for it because I'm asking them to go out and spend time with me.
	But whoever asks should pay is, it ignores the fact that men are almost overwhelmingly being the initiators in the vast majority of heterosexual romantic relationships.
	Yeah, I feel like if you want to take a woman out and you're asking to take her out, you should pay for it.
	Right, but saying whoever asks should pay ignores the fact that there is a burden on men to be the askers because we as men, we can't just sit back and wait for women to come to us and ask us out on dates because it happens so infrequently.
	Yeah, I guess it's specific to the situation.
	Like if you're already dating someone, like I've already dated somebody and I was like, hey, you want to go get ice cream?
	And then I paid for it because I asked them to go do it.
	Like I suggested it.
	They didn't, it wasn't their idea.
	It was something I wanted.
	Like that's where I've done that.
	But I've never went up to a man and say, hey, you want to go on a date with me?
	So I don't know that experience.
	And I never had to do that.
	Whoever saying whoever asks should pay, you may as well just say men should pay.
	Because we know that women.
	Women don't really ask men out on dates.
	Right, so I wouldn't date a man who's not going to ask me out.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm not going to date a man that's not going to be confident to ask me out.
	Like I'm not going to be able to do that.
	That's probably something I'm going to have to do, is my point.
	Okay, fine.
	What's wrong with men paying for the first date?
	Yeah.
	I have some thoughts on that.
	I got some thoughts.
	What's wrong with it, Brian?
	Well, I interrupted myself to ask the who should pay question, but we were going around on what is expected, what are women expected to do?
	So if we're talking about, I think all of you said you'd like a return to dating as it used to be seen in old movies, traditional gentlemen who will court a lady, take her out on lots of dates, hold the door, buy flowers, etc.
	So if that's the expectation for men, what are women expected to do?
	I think we left off at you, maybe, or maybe it was you.
	So this is like in the scheme of like the general scope of the relationship, not like just the first date, you mean?
	I would say early on.
	Early on.
	Early on.
	I mean, obviously you're getting to know the person, right?
	So I think just showing.
	Both of you are doing that, though.
	Yeah.
	I mean, but showing interest in him.
	Both of you are doing that.
	I mean, yeah, you support the conversation.
	Maybe I do bring him something depending on time of year, birthday, I don't know, occasion, whatever, like life, life.
	I don't know.
	Like, I've given guys gifts.
	You know what I mean?
	It depends.
	I'm not even necessarily talking something tangible like paying for a date or a gift or something.
	But what about you?
	Go ahead.
	I think she brings loyalty.
	Men bring that too, but okay.
	Do they though?
	I mean, I don't know.
	Not as much as women, I don't think.
	They bring loyalty.
	Okay.
	Women bring loyalty, I think.
	On the first date, are you loyal on the first date?
	Oh, we're talking first date.
	Okay, well, what do women bring on a first date?
	They make you feel good, right?
	You get giddy, you get butterflies, they make you feel good.
	I mean, that goes both ways, but okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	So we're talking first date.
	What?
	First few dates early on in the relationship.
	Okay, I feel like we're talking in a traditional sense, right?
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm so sorry.
	Can you say it one more time?
	Okay, please don't make me repeat myself one more time.
	So she said she wishes dating was how it used to be seen in old movies.
	Traditional gentlemen who will court a lady, take her out on lots of dates, hold the door, buy flowers, etc.
	A lot of you said, I agree with that.
	That's how it ought to be.
	That's how it should be.
	Maybe some of you have that expectation with the men that you're interested in dating.
	So if that's what men are expected to do, to pay for first dates, hold the door, be gentlemen, be protectors, be providers, I'm asking you very simply: what are women expected to do?
	I would say be honest.
	Be what?
	Be modest.
	Okay, sure.
	Definitely modest.
	Ladylike.
	Sure.
	Feminine.
	Okay.
	Gentle.
	Good.
	Yep.
	Just sure.
	What about you?
	Letting him lead the conversation.
	I don't know.
	Me personally, I just want a guy to know that I'm going to let him take the lead and just vent to me, you know.
	Just I guess just being feminine and looking good.
	Being feminine and looking good, okay?
	Yeah, looking good and be a good listener.
	And also, I think you can kind of like hype the guy up to make him feel like they can protect you.
	Okay.
	Emily, did you have more to add or yeah?
	So I agree with a lot of the things that they said where, you know, gentleness, femininity, all of those traits which elevate a man's status.
	So what you're actually doing as a woman going on a date with a man, you are elevating his status.
	You're signaling to other men that he is capable of providing and attracting a high-value woman like that.
	That is elevating his status to other men because it's a virtue signal that he can get this many women or this specific woman and keep her.
	So yeah, I think it's, and it's always been this way.
	A man back in the day, seen with a very nice, pretty girl on his arm, was considered a good, it was respectable and it brought him respect, value, and it's, yeah, it's like an esteem issue.
	If that's my girlfriend, perhaps, but I frankly, if I'm meeting you at like a lounge for a drink or a coffee, I don't give a fuck what anybody in the world is.
	Wait, so you don't care what she looks like?
	That's what I'm talking about.
	That's about what I'm saying.
	But no, that's not.
	But I don't care about the other men in the bar and like, oh, look at me.
	I've got a hot girl.
	I hope these other guys notice me and think I'm super cool because I'm on a date with the hot girl.
	What is it that you want?
	I don't give a fuck.
	What is it that you want her?
	So you're saying you would walk into a date with a woman dressed like, let's say, like someone off the street, right?
	She doesn't care about her.
	It is the point, though.
	Brian is articulating to other men.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Brian's talking about behaviors that he's looking for in women.
	Okay, so Brian, what is it?
	What behaviors would you expect?
	Well, the point I'm trying to make with this question is you listed all these things as how you want traditional treatment, but I went around the entire table and a lot of the women here had difficulty articulating what, given that the man would be doing all these traditional things, you had difficulty articulating what your end of the bargain is, what you're supposed to be bringing in a more traditional courtship, let's say.
	You don't even know what you got to do on your end of the bargain.
	And I see this all the time on the show on dating apps.
	Women will talk endlessly about all the things they want in the guy, from looks to personality to money.
	Yet, what are you bringing to the table to deserve that sort of thing?
	And you need to ask yourself, the reason I bring this up, does the guy that you want want you?
	You want that traditional treatment.
	What are you moving through the world in such a way that is deserving of being able to secure that type of guy?
	Because if you want a good man who looks a certain way, who's attractive, has a certain status, makes good money, it's not about what you want.
	It's about what does he want?
	So what is it that you want, Brian?
	Well, okay, if you want something like that.
	I'm saying like if a lot of these a lot of women want the traditional treatment, they want courtship, they want guys to pay for first dates, low body count.
	The lower body count, the better.
	If you have a past of promiscuity, if you're, for example, I don't even want to go on a date with a girl that's entertaining another guy, who's dating another guy, who's sleeping with another guy.
	So a lot of people, and men do this too, but if you're moving in such a way where you're sleeping with other men, you have a guy that you're sleeping with, and then you expect traditional treatment, it's not going to happen.
	I think I was agreeing with you because I'm saying like if obviously if a woman looks like she is promiscuous and has a high body count, that's not going to elevate your status.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Being a high value woman is what you bring to the other side of the table.
	Sure.
	Let me make a couple points here because what we're talking about in this conversation, it's like we're reaching to reclaim how things were in the past.
	We're talking about this concept of courtship, right?
	Courtship is a process that historically has been used to bring a man and a woman together under the guidance of the woman's father in order to preserve her chastity so that the two of them can get married, right?
	This is a process that's reserved for traditional women, done by traditional men.
	Can you close the doors?
	It's funny because like as I'm sitting here at this table, it's evident to me, like this is, you guys want this traditional treatment.
	Like I think every woman dreams of it.
	You know, you hear the story about the guy who built the woman, the house in the notebook.
	It's like, wow, that's so romantic.
	That's so sweet, right?
	Like that's, that's like a traditional thing.
	And I think all women in their hearts of hearts, like they want a guy who's traditional like that, who wants to pursue them and wants to love them.
	Would you guys agree with that?
	Yeah.
	Yes, that behavior, like historically, yeah, the agreement was a guy would pursue a woman like that in a courtship.
	Only those two people would be talking.
	So if like if I was courting you, for example, the agreement would be you would not be talking to anybody else.
	I would not be talking to anybody else.
	Courtship was also something that was reserved typically for virgins, right?
	Women were virgins throughout history.
	We can rail about the patriarchy all we want, but part of a father's job was to protect his daughter's chastity because there's a lot of bad men out there, right?
	Like we were dreaming of like reclaiming this thing from the past, but it requires both men and women to actually do each of their roles, which is to Brian's point.
	Like it's traditionally speaking a woman's job to preserve her chastity.
	And a woman who preserves her chastity is going to warrant that kind of traditional treatment from a man compared to, you know, if a woman's sleeping around with a bunch of different guys and then she's like, no, I want you to treat me traditionally, he's going to look at her and be like, well, you weren't traditional up until now.
	Like why should I roll out the red carpet when you just gave yourself so easily to all these other guys, right?
	That's like, that's the mental conundrum that guys have.
	It makes it challenging for them.
	The ideal, I think, is for both sexes to return to this tradition, but it requires both men and women to fix their behavior.
	And I think that starts with every single one of us.
	Yeah, and to add to just the body count thing, so in the same way that a lot of the women here wish for that return to tradition, traditional courtship, men paying for first dates, men providing, men being protectors, men opening the door for you, et cetera, et cetera.
	And most people wouldn't have any issue with you saying that if I, as a guy, say, I wish women were still virgins or heck, even had a sub-five body count who are modest both in behavior and appearance, not blasted in plastic surgery, wanted to be submissive, followed my lead, were not quarrelsome, who knew how to take care of the internal affairs of the household, I would get looked at as, whoa, misogynist.
	Misogynist.
	How dare you?
	But that's the opposite side of the coin of the traditional demands that you want from men.
	Yep.
	You're equating that to opening a car door, flowers, like flowers, car door, like paying for a $10 date, like those are such like tiny simple things.
	Versus like what you're asking about a woman is like what's already been of her past.
	So in your case.
	Past matters, though.
	Well, no, I'm not saying that, but I'm asking like, so in order to go on a date for you personally with a woman, do you talk to her for a while and ask her about her body count before the date happens just so you make sure that you pay for someone who has only less than five?
	Because she also can lie and you'll never know.
	So it's like, I hope she wouldn't though.
	No, I either.
	I hope she wouldn't lie because I think honestly because you're basing your actions on the first date based off of who she is or what she's already done.
	So it's like not a physical or like even a behavioral thing really.
	It's like, yeah, she can put on.
	Body count's pretty behavioral.
	But I'm saying like in that first date, like that's stuff that she already had done, regardless of that.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like, she can put a turtleneck on and say she's never been with anybody, but it's like...
	Well, I certainly hope that our first interaction is not predicated on deception and a lie.
	Right.
	But I'm just curious for you.
	Is that like your norm of like you usually like to talk to a woman and ask her those certain questions?
	Oh, yeah.
	I typically would, I'll have a conversation with a woman beforehand.
	I might not just outright be like, how many dudes have you fucked?
	But I might try to ask some questions.
	What's your relationship history?
	That can sort of give me an inkling.
	Okay, she's dated maybe this many guys.
	That could be a slight indicator.
	Does she drink?
	Does she party?
	Does she go to bars, nightclubs, etc.?
	Let me look at her Instagram.
	That could potentially be an indicator.
	Granted, there's a lot of women who are very unassuming.
	They might be a bit shy.
	They might actually present modestly, but secretly, they have quite a past.
	So it's not always a perfect indicator.
	But we as men, we will try to suss out these things through alternative means.
	But I'm also okay just outright asking.
	So, okay, what's fuck it?
	What's your body count?
	I'll ask.
	That's crazy that you put so much importance on body count.
	Like, that's just so crazy to me.
	Why is it crazy?
	Because I just don't see why it matters.
	Like, why does it matter what?
	I mean, like, I can understand like if she cheated.
	Okay, she cheated.
	Okay, that's, I get that.
	So how many people she chose to sleep with, I don't understand how that is like relevant at all.
	Well, so for, for, I'll answer that.
	And then there's a, there's a ton of reasons why.
	I think one of the, probably one of the most important reasons, at least for me, is that when I'm dating a girl, I want her, even on the first date, I want her undivided sexual and romantic attention.
	If she's going out and dating other men, sleeping with other men, first off, I don't even, that's not a woman that I even want to pursue.
	I want a woman to be properly single when I'm even first meeting her.
	And I think a lot of people don't move that way.
	So body count, your past, is proxy for promiscuity.
	Promiscuity is proxy for there's a good chance that when I'm talking to her, when I meet her, she's got another guy in the picture.
	There's another guy that she's sleeping with.
	To me, that's gross.
	I don't want to date you.
	I don't want to kiss you.
	I don't want to have.
	I certainly don't want to have sex with a woman who's having sex with another man.
	So is that complicated for you to understand?
	Or does that kind of make sense?
	No, I totally understand.
	But so somebody who has a high body count, that can be a proxy for current promiscuity.
	So if you have a high body count, you could be sleeping.
	There's a greater likelihood that you're sleeping with another guy while I'm talking to you.
	I certainly don't want that.
	Also, if you have a high body count, greater likelihood of STD.
	And also, you've started to, the more sexual partners you have, the greater difficulty when it comes to pair bonding with somebody.
	If you've had 50 previous sexual partners and I'm number 51, you're not going to view me in a particularly special way.
	At least that's my view.
	And I think we all, both men and women, want to be viewed as special to our potential romantic partners, to our potential future husbands and wives.
	If I'm number 51, I'm number 101.
	Like, that's that's, and the big thing also, this is a differential between men and women.
	So I could list a bunch of examples that I think apply to both men and women.
	STDs, I think it's the case for both men and women.
	You could certainly make arguments that the actual act of sexual intercourse, the transmission rate, there might be a differential there.
	Perhaps women are more susceptible to getting an STD than the reverse for various reasons due to anatomy, but we don't need to get into that.
	The big difference, though, that does not exist in women, that does exist in men, and I would argue this is an evolutionary psychology basis, biological basis, is paternity uncertainty.
	So men, it's not even necessarily an intellectual thing.
	A woman who's promiscuous, you cannot guarantee the paternity of your child if she's promiscuous.
	Oh, you get a DNA test.
	Well, but that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
	So for example, a woman who has 10 husbands, right?
	If she sleeps with all of them, who's the fucking father?
	Whereas a man who has 10 wives, you know who the father is in each of those instances.
	So women can, if you have a child, you know with certainty that the child is yours, obviously, because of just the anatomical and biological reality that women are the ones who give birth.
	But women, since we don't give birth, we cannot with certainty know if the child is ours.
	So one of the best ways to be certain of that is one, if she's a virgin, or two, we know that she's not promiscuous and has a low body count.
	I have a question.
	Sure.
	And do you want to respond to that?
	Maybe you respond and then.
	I don't know.
	I guess I'm just not, I'm just, I somewhat understand what you're saying.
	Why are women attracted to tall men?
	Tall.
	Tall men.
	Why are women attracted to muscular men?
	Because they can protect them, maybe?
	This, like, I don't know.
	Okay, but is it, okay, sure, right?
	So in that same way, men are attracted to women who are not promiscuous.
	It's like it's ingrained in us.
	It's further your bloodline, really.
	Well, because you mentioned, well, we have DNA tests now.
	But just because we have this invention of human brilliance doesn't undo, again, the fact that there's been hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
	It's ingrained in us as men.
	And again, this thing does not exist in women.
	Paternity, when it comes to the maternity, I guess, or whatever, it's impossible to exist in women.
	Because when you have a child, you know with certainty that that's your child.
	But you could be hooking up with another dude.
	We don't know.
	That kid might not be ours.
	So men have a more natural revulsion to female promiscuity than the reverse.
	Not to say that I think women are totally justified in taking issue and quarrel with male promiscuity.
	However, there's not that ingrained biological and evolutionary basis that exists in men.
	It's this simple.
	Let's say I'm talking to two women.
	One of them has a zero body count.
	The other has a body count of 50.
	Which one of them do you think I'm going to feel more confident in her being like, which one do you think will inspire more confidence in her fidelity long term?
	50.
	I'm just kidding.
	The virgin.
	Right, exactly.
	And it's just, it's a natural, immediate instinct.
	Right?
	And it's really that simple.
	It's like our biology, our DNA, like it's, it hunts for that, like, purity.
	And there is like a revulsion, a revulsion towards that promiscuity because it is biologically very dangerous for a man to commit to a woman who might sleep with another man who he might end up raising the child of.
	It's thousands of years of like programming.
	Don't you think there's purity in a girl that is loyal to you regardless of body count?
	Like she's not a lot of people.
	We're talking about like sexual purity.
	Yeah, but I just mean like taking away body count.
	Let's say she has a lot of body count, but she's loyal to you.
	She's never slept with anyone but you since being with you.
	Isn't there purity in that, too?
	Like, why is it just like...
	I wouldn't call that, like, purity.
	I would call it loyalty.
	But the question of why it matters is like, for example, okay, so you could have a woman who has a 50 body count and she could be the most loyal woman in the world, but a man is still going to want to know, hey, how did that happen?
	Like what, what, like if a guy cares about body count, he's going to want to know, how did that happen?
	What happened there?
	What compelled you to sleep with all of these men?
	Like what was the pattern that unfolded?
	What was it in your psychology?
	Like he's probably going to want to understand that if it's something that he cares about because ultimately at the end of the day, it's like, is this woman going to be loyal to me in the future?
	Like loyalty is extremely, extremely important, obviously to both sexes.
	You know, that's one aspect of it.
	Another aspect of it too is like, like Brian was talking about before, us men are extremely territorial when it comes to women that we're really into.
	Like if a guy doesn't really care about a woman that much, like he might not care if she's seeing other guys, but if a guy really likes a woman and he really loves her, he's not going to want to share her with other men in the present or in the past.
	You know, it's like it's, it's a sex is a very sacred thing, you know, especially from a man towards a woman.
	And obviously no woman wants a guy who's going to cheat on her.
	But it's, it's, it's different.
	Like for us men, it's a very territorial thing.
	Like that's your woman.
	Like you don't want another man touching her.
	And, you know, her past can affect that.
	Who do you think cheats more men or women?
	I think on average it's men.
	Why do you think children?
	I think it's, I saw a stat the other day.
	I think it was like divorce statistics and how many of those divorces are filed because of adultery.
	And I think the statistic was like 34%, it was the women woman cheating and 38% was the men, man cheating.
	I think it was slightly higher for men.
	I think it's not much of a difference.
	What was your question though?
	You asked, why do you think that is?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think, you know, it's, I mean, biologically speaking, men, like, we have a biological drive to spread our seed as far as possible.
	It's just part of our nature.
	That doesn't mean it has to dominate us, but like, it's just part of our nature.
	You know, a lot of guys, like, you know, guys will, I know guys who have cheated on their girlfriends and they typically just cheat because they feel an impulsive physical desire.
	And that's like, that's really, like, it's hard to describe what it's like being a guy, but like, you know, when you've got testicles, like your body's like, yo, we've got loads, we got to deliver, like, get them out, you know?
	Yeah.
	It's, it's different.
	Like, women are kind of wired more emotionally towards sex, whereas guys are much more like physical, like, I need to get this out of my system.
	And I think that's why guys more often cheat.
	Like, cheating for women is like, it's sex in general for women is typically a very emotional process.
	Like, if you, I imagine you guys would agree, like, if you don't feel an emotional connection with a guy, you're probably not going to want to sleep with him.
	Would you agree with that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's not the same for men oftentimes.
	You know, guys will just have sex with a woman.
	I'm going to try to blast through some of these chats here that are going to come in.
	And hold on, I had one thing.
	Oh, really quick on the body count thing.
	You mentioned like, why does the past matter?
	I mean, I would argue, I mean, certainly a woman who used to, a woman who used to be promiscuous and is no longer promiscuous is more desirable than a woman who has a passive promiscuity and ongoing promiscuity.
	But I would also say that a woman who doesn't have a past of promiscuity and is currently not promiscuous is more desirable than the other things too.
	But if past doesn't matter, let me go around the table on this.
	Would you date a guy who has slept with men?
	Yes.
	I'm not sure.
	Maybe, yeah.
	Okay.
	No.
	Uh, huh?
	But hold on.
	I thought that this is the past.
	That's sexual.
	That's sexual preference, though.
	Like, I don't know.
	That's.
	Okay, so you wouldn't date a guy who's bi?
	No.
	Okay.
	Let's say he used to, but not anymore.
	He's straight.
	It doesn't work that way.
	No, maybe, you know.
	You're either bi or you're not.
	Well, let's say it's been like five years.
	He hasn't slept with men.
	No.
	But the potential, the potential in the future, it could happen, right?
	Ooh, bigger.
	Did I just give you a hug?
	Oh, man, that was rich.
	Yes.
	Well, exactly why body count matters because body count is an indicator for infidelity.
	I don't know.
	Sleep with a lot of people.
	Like, they've done studies on this.
	They've done the light bulb just go off.
	No, I don't think it indicates infidelity.
	Oh, sorry.
	I don't think your past.
	I mean, the thing is, I agree it's hard for people to change, but I don't necessarily think your past indicates.
	Like, I'm not going to assume my partner is going to do something based on something he's done in the past.
	I would rather trust who he is in this present moment.
	So you're saying if you met a guy and he cheated on his past 10 girlfriends.
	That's different.
	But that's different because he cheated.
	But you're just saying promiscuity.
	You're not saying that all these women, every single of their 50 body count was a cheatingness.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	But they've actually done numerous studies on this.
	Numerous studies.
	And promiscuity is a very strong indicator for infidelity.
	Very strong indicator.
	And I would argue that past behavior is typically a very strong indicator for future behavior.
	But going around the table, would you date a guy who slept with men?
	No.
	No.
	Huh?
	No.
	Don't lie, Tiffany.
	Come on.
	Oh, Emily's gone.
	Okay.
	Let me get these chats.
	Guys, sorry.
	We had to mute them because we were just getting too many.
	So I'm just going to go ahead and trigger all of these pretty much all one after the other.
	Sorry if it, you know, I know we say instant TTS, but it was just getting too disruptive.
	I kept $100.
	I was not serious about the hymen.
	You cannot do a purity check to look for a hymen.
	They come in many different shapes, and you cannot tell if there was penetration or not.
	This has been debunked.
	Check out Mama Dr. Jones, OBG, YNS.
	Yes, I'm aware that the presence of a hymen or lack of presence of a hymen is not an indicator necessarily for virginity.
	I was more so just trying to make a point about virginity being something that was value typically.
	And then we have Vash the Stampede.
	Thank you, man.
	Vash underscore the underscore Stampede donated $99.
	Emily, you're so amazing.
	She's behind the scenes, but she hears Mormon and have been disheartened by the promiscuity of the modern feminist.
	I would rule Simple City to build you a house.
	Brian, your hymen game is on point.
	What?
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Oh, hold on.
	Fuck.
	Yo, before you show that, Terry, can I respond to grids right there?
	No, no, no.
	Let me just get through these.
	Hold on.
	Nickelodeon, can we get a vote in chat?
	What's more obnoxious?
	Chase long-winded rants or TTS that keeps Brian's lights on.
	P.S., did your BF teach you the difference between nationalism and joining the KKK?
	What?
	Oh, this is for her.
	This is for Tiffany.
	Saint underscore easy donated $99.
	What are women supposed to do?
	Not be a feminist.
	Ha ha.
	Okay, thank you, St. Breezy.
	Did you want to respond to Nickelodeon?
	What did he say?
	I thought he was talking to you.
	No, he's talking to you.
	Your boyfriend Brandt.
	Yeah.
	Well, he's not my boyfriend yet, but yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Emily, this one just came through.
	Wait.
	Vash underscore the underscore stampede donated $99.
	Emily, you're so amazing.
	Thank you for upholding traditional values.
	I grew up Mormon and have been disheartened by the promiscuity of the modern feminist.
	I would rule Simp City and build you a house.
	Brian, your heim and game is on point.
	Beautiful.
	Do you have a response to Grid 1 Motorsports?
	That's pretty base.
	Or sorry, that was Vash the Stampede, excuse me, not Vash the Stampede.
	Thank you.
	All right, we have Grid One Motorsports.
	Grid One Motorsports donated $99.
	Based Emily, my wife keeps me around because I build things.
	It is what I do.
	She did not marry me because I talk about sweet things.
	She married me because I get things done.
	Made her feel safe.
	And since the day we met, she has been the only one.
	All right, we have.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you for your woman.
	All right, we have Raven DT here.
	Raven DT donated $100.
	Body count is directly proportional to the way she moves in the sexual/slash dating marketplace and her overall sexual temperance.
	If a woman has slept with 100 men, then it means she doesn't respect herself.
	So why would she respect you as a mate?
	Disagree?
	You disagree?
	I totally disagree with that.
	And I would flip it too.
	And I would say, do you give that same kind of standard to men?
	Like, do you like that's that it bugs me to my core.
	And I think, like, the thing is, I'm not a feminist or anything like that, but what bugs me to my core is the double standard of men can do whatever they want.
	They can stick their dick in whatever they want.
	And it's cool.
	But God forbid a woman have multiple sexual partners that it bugs out of me.
	Because put your same logic to yourself.
	Who should pay for the first date?
	The man.
	That's a double standard.
	There's all kinds of double standards that happen to exist.
	Some benefit men, some benefit women.
	I would say, though, I don't, my personal view on promiscuity, I don't think it's good for either gender.
	I don't think it's a, granted, I do think that there are some differences.
	Hold on, I'll come back to that.
	Women always admitting that they are themselves the liars through the statement/slash question she could lie.
	Imagine using a hypothetical of lying as an argument.
	Tells a lot about you and your character, Lya Brian, Plaza, host the podcast, not Chase.
	All right, well, there you have it.
	Thank you, Jacam.
	Appreciate it.
	What were you saying?
	Sorry?
	I was saying, I don't understand why you think that a man paying on the date is the equivalent of like a double standard.
	Well, it is.
	It's an expectation that you have on men that you don't hold for yourself or for other women.
	That is a double standard.
	But doesn't the man ask the woman?
	Huh?
	The man asked the woman, though.
	So?
	So why would he ask the woman?
	But it's a double.
	Again, there are double standards that benefit women.
	There are double standards that benefit men.
	It is what it is.
	I don't think it's desirable for men or women to be promiscuous because, I mean, one, I don't think, like, there's this trope about, oh, it's high value to like it's high value for a guy to just like sleep with a bunch of chicks.
	First off, like, the risk of STDs, I don't think it's high value if you catch herpes and you're going to be bringing your future wife or children a disease.
	Yeah.
	So, like, I don't care how fucking attractive or how rich you are, if you're bringing your future partner some sort of like VD, that's not fucking high status or cool.
	So, yeah, it's certainly not alpha to fucking have herpes in my view.
	But I think men should be held to that standard she's talking about a little bit, whereas, like, that, yeah, don't just stick your dick in anything because then yeah, but then women would also just naturally follow into your into your lead most of the time, into the man.
	And he donated $100.
	I have a body count of seven.
	One was a marriage that ended in divorce.
	The rest were in the pursuit of long-term relationships.
	Good men who want marriage are not whoring themselves around either.
	Yeah, I mean, the difference is when it comes to the double standard, though, is I would argue that there is a differential insofar as it's rather difficult, comparatively speaking, it's hard for men to get laid, whereas it's very easy for women to get laid.
	So, for a guy to be able to sleep with a lot of women, even though I don't think that that's necessarily a good thing, to some degree, that's impressive, whereas it's not impressive for a woman to sleep with a lot of men because it's very easy for women to get laid, whereas it's rather difficult for men to get laid.
	Agree?
	Disagree?
	Sounds like, I don't know.
	I agree with that.
	Like, any single girl here, if you're so inclined, it's 8:30 p.m. on a Sunday, like you could go download the dating app and like go get laid tonight.
	Even below-average-looking women, nearly, here's what I've said before: nearly any woman, if she wanted to, could be a slut.
	I would argue a very small proportion of men can be sluts.
	They might want to, but the difference is the capacity to do it.
	I would say maybe like the top 10% of men can slut around.
	Top three, maybe.
	Yeah.
	Well, also, when it comes to sexual pull, I would argue that take an average woman's sexual pull.
	In order for a man to get the same degree of sexual attention from women that women, that an average woman gets from a man, he needs to be like an A-list celebrity, a top-tier, like, so we're talking top-tier athlete, musician.
	Nick, what do you do?
	Okay.
	Guillotine.
	Guillotine.
	So, like, there's just so many differences when it comes to that.
	But here, let me get this last chat here.
	We have Jay Butler on the herpes thing.
	He's always talking about herpes.
	On a long enough timeline, if you sleep with enough people, you will get genital herpes as condoms do not protect from this.
	True.
	60 bodies equals exposure to 12 infected partners.
	Now you need to be taken out to pasture and be put down.
	Filthy, filthy, filthy, filthy.
	Okay, there you have it.
	Thank you, Jay Butler.
	Appreciate it.
	Let me get some of these super chats here.
	One sec here, guys.
	I'm just waiting.
	Okay, we have Grid One Motorsports.
	Wife is a VP for number one investment bank in the U.S.
	It is a tough job.
	Most of her female co-workers have moved to less demanding jobs.
	More men bail percentage-wise than women.
	The toll it takes is high.
	Our marriage would not survive if I was not retired.
	Okay, there you go.
	Grid one motorsports.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Modest Jacama.
	Jackie worked for a company in Seattle with Women in Engineering internship.
	Jackie works for Microsoft.
	Only big boys getting away with ignoring affirmative action reversal since penalty is zero dollars relatively.
	Jackie, why MS over Samsung with 20% South Korean GDP gross dominant product?
	What?
	Ferris, I don't work for Microsoft.
	I work for Amazon.
	Oh, all right.
	There you have it.
	We have Monster Kama.
	Brian, I encourage you to not let Chase convince you to pause or race TTS.
	What is the business?
	Literally your words in this episode.
	Maybe let Chase know.
	Sorry, Chase.
	I know you're bass, but that unbassed Chase losing you money.
	I mean, sometimes it's a little interruptive, and it can interrupt the flow of the conversation.
	We have Grid One Motorsports.
	I was not aware this was the Chase show.
	Uh-oh.
	I've had three chats ignored.
	Neat.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's just, we had to pause it.
	It was just way too interruptive.
	And we're already behind with some of the other notes I have to get through.
	Sorry, Grid One Motorsports.
	I didn't mean to push yours like an hour out.
	There has to be a happy medium between answering them once every hour and a half versus every 30 seconds.
	What does based mean?
	Don't worry about it.
	I don't know.
	And if something's like cool and truthful and like based in reality.
	Got you.
	Yeah, I mean, and also, I mean, I'm open to the chat's feedback because certainly, like, for example, if we had the TTS way too low, like if we said that to 20, it would literally be like, we wouldn't even be able to have a conversation.
	So I was, it was kind of a balance between, well, I don't want to boost it, but let's pause it so it's not instant and we'll just like pick a specific time to do the TTS.
	Normally we don't do that.
	Normally it's just not so interruptive, but it is what it is.
	We have Grid One Motorsports chats lose relevance when read an hour later.
	Yeah, sorry, man.
	It's just, we've gotten in so many, so I don't want to have to boost some of the chats, but it's just been super frequent this show.
	So sorry to some of you.
	I know I really, first off, I really appreciate your patronage and you guys are spending like good money supporting the show, being patrons.
	And I know you guys want your chats to be read as quickly as possible.
	But we've just, the frequency has been so quick this show that for the sake of the conversation, we just had to do little pauses here and there.
	So appreciate you guys bearing with us on that.
	I apologize too on behalf of Brian.
	That was my call.
	I didn't mean for you guys to waste your money on your super chats.
	It was just, it was tough because earlier in the show, it was like literally every three minutes.
	It was very frequent.
	We couldn't even have a conversation.
	And I still have like a ton of notes here I need to get through.
	So we'll try to get through them as quickly as possible.
	So, okay, I think we left off with Emily, I believe.
	Hold on.
	Oh, Emily, you said I'm dating for marriage eventually, and I look for qualities of a good husband in the people I want to date without even consciously realizing it.
	I feel like that can be hard with the dating culture today because most people want something short-term that doesn't have a lot of boundaries.
	Who said this?
	Emily, right over here.
	Yeah.
	I almost feel though like a lot of women will say this, but while waiting to find the right guy, well, you're going to have your fun and just have casual sex with fuckboys, jerks, bad boys, and assholes.
	Not you specifically.
	Not you specifically, but so, yeah.
	Interesting.
	I got some solutions for you.
	What are your solutions?
	I know a lot of dudes that are looking for traditional women, like solid dudes.
	I could hook you up.
	In like church, probably.
	Yeah, they're almost all Christian.
	Yeah.
	Here, we have Strand here.
	I'll just get it while it came up.
	Would you marry a virgin if you could and take your chance?
	They would be bad in bed.
	I suppose this is for everybody.
	Maybe this is directed to the men, but I guess we could go around the table.
	Would you marry a virgin?
	I guess I'm not opposed to it, but I wouldn't prefer it.
	You wouldn't prefer it?
	I wouldn't prefer a virgin versus not a virgin.
	Why is that?
	Because I want somebody who knows how to have sex.
	Okay.
	Yeah, because I also feel like I want somebody who knows how to handle their sexual desire too.
	Because if they've never had sex before and then have sex and then like become a porn addict or just become addicted and like end up cheating because they have never had to control their sexual desire before and then I don't know controlling their desire though.
	I'm pretty sure they're controlling their desire fairly well.
	But I get what you're saying.
	But you know what I mean?
	Like, I feel like they could just end up, once they have it, like just, I don't know, not be able to be loyal.
	I don't know, because I actually knew of this happening once.
	There was this couple, and she married a guy who was a virgin.
	And then years into their marriage, she found out he was like sleeping with prostitutes, and she found her seats and all this stuff.
	It's a very specific thing for sure.
	I think it's definitely backwards in what you're talking about.
	I think men that have more sexual history are definitely more.
	Well, yeah, I'm not saying that either, but I just, I also feel like balance is key for everything.
	So I don't think I would desire someone who's a virgin, but I don't desire someone who's extremely promiscuous, though, either.
	Yeah, I would, because sex is so teachable.
	Like, you can teach somebody what you like.
	It's very, very teachable.
	Okay.
	I would, but I don't know if I would find myself attracted to a virgin.
	Okay.
	By the way, just letting you guys know, since I'm going around the table, you guys can preemptively, you know, we don't need like a five-second pause, but go ahead, go ahead.
	I would because I'd be marrying for love, not for the sex.
	I prefer a virgin.
	I don't really care.
	I look for other qualities.
	Yeah, I would do it.
	Chase, what about you?
	Yeah, definitely.
	I mean, you can, if you're a man and you have a strong frame and your woman desires you, like, you can teach her how to have great sex with you.
	And if she really desires you, it's probably going to unfold like that.
	Yeah, there's a direct correlation between the enjoyment of sex and how much desire your partner has for you.
	I would definitely get with a virgin.
	I'd prefer a virgin or just like low body count.
	I mean, I don't need the girl to be a virgin, but low body count is definitely preferable for sure.
	You don't want to get married, do you?
	Not really.
	I heard you say that on another show that you don't want to get married.
	May, you know, listen, could I meet the right girl who could convince me?
	She's just amazing.
	It's possible.
	It's not possible.
	It's possible.
	Do you have to convince a man?
	No.
	It's possible.
	Now, I could have a monogamous, lifelong partner, but I think, and I don't want to get in, just because we don't have a bunch of time, and I want to get through a bunch of notes, but I do think there are some valid reasons why marriage is not a great move.
	From a religious perspective, fantastic.
	But the issue is when it comes to marriage, the state oversees your marriage, not your religion, really.
	And also, when your wife, if she so chooses to divorce you, she's not going to go to the church.
	She's going to go to the state to get alimony, to get XYZ, to get community property, to get half the house, to get half the assets.
	She'll go to the state, not the church.
	So for that reason, if the state was not so heavily involved in the affairs of romance and love and marriage, I might be more inclined to do it.
	Prenup.
	Prenups frequently get challenged and thrown out and sometimes deemed unenforceable for a variety of reasons.
	Prenups are only as if a woman is motivated enough, she can try to get out of a prenup.
	You've had some evil women, have you?
	It's not, I'm just a practical person who sees the reality of the family court system, the bias against men in the family court system, divorce laws, etc.
	It's not.
	So I have a question.
	If you did have a lifelong monogamous partner and she stayed at home for you, would you set something up for her in case you guys separated and she would have like money after that?
	Like a monthly check?
	Because, like, if you're not marrying her, but she's expected to sacrifice years of her career to be at home with you, if she's not getting married in return, how is she going to be productive?
	Yes, so within the traditional paradigm of that, there certainly is a case to be made for alimony being justified.
	If she has genuinely sacrificed her career to be a stay-at-home mother, she has made sacrifices in the pursuit of a career and having children.
	And if I were to leave her, then that would present to her some substantial financial burden.
	There are some very legitimate, rational reasons for alimony being justified.
	What I don't like, however, is the state coming in and saying, Well, okay, you're a really high-earning man, therefore you need to be paying your wife six figures a month because you earn this much.
	I don't think a woman is entitled to continuity into lifestyle at the breakdown of the relationship.
	I think there ought to be some degree of limit on the like these fucking celebrities that get divorced.
	You know how you get continuity in your lifestyle by staying with that person.
	Now, granted, husbands, I suppose, could be the initiators of divorce or be abusive where it's just so warranted that the woman initiates the divorce.
	However, I don't think that's really frequently the case.
	And the fact of the matter is, women overwhelmingly are the ones who are initiating divorces.
	80% of divorces are initiated by women.
	So there's going to have to be some sort of rewriting of these alimony laws to make it a bit more equitable, let's say.
	So you would rewrite the alimony law?
	Like what you'd ever have to do with the money?
	I don't know specifically how I want.
	Do you want, like outside of marriage, do you want a lifetime partner like that?
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	Yeah, have kids.
	I'm kids.
	We could do kids.
	She does raise an interesting point because, I mean, you know, if a woman is your stay-at-home wife and all that kind of stuff, a stay-at-home mom, she would be totally dependent on you.
	And out of curiosity, like, how would you give her security in that kind of situation without a ring?
	How would I give her security in that?
	Yeah, like, how could you guarantee her security?
	Because she's raising the excellent point.
	Like, if at some point in time you hypothetically were like, you know what?
	I'm over it.
	I want to go be with some other chick, like, she'd be screwed.
	You know, that's a fair point.
	So like, that's a fair point.
	Well, I mean, I would argue that, you know, child support could potentially come in, and child support, even if you're not married, they can claw quite a bit of, you know, in that case.
	Look, I think there ought to be a healthy balance.
	And when it comes to these sorts of laws, when it comes to alimony, and I just, I don't see it with the current marriage laws that there are.
	I'm not trying to convince you to get married.
	I'm just, yeah, I think it's a great question that you brought up because, you know, you're, like you've said many times, you're a businessman.
	I'm a businessman.
	You're a businessman.
	I don't sign contracts that don't benefit me.
	Yeah, you want a good deal, but I'm trying to look at it like, okay, what if I was a woman and I wanted to be with Brian?
	It'd be a freaking bad deal to like.
	That's a great deal to invest my life with no security guaranteed from you.
	That's a pretty bad deal for a woman.
	It's a great deal.
	Fantastic deal.
	Let me tell you why it's a great deal here.
	You're collecting shares, maybe.
	No, besides getting to be with you, very, very risky for her.
	Not that risky.
	Very risky.
	It's like you're spitting on your hand and you're shaking hers and you're like, I'll never leave you.
	Don't worry.
	But that's the same thing with marriage, though.
	No, no, no.
	Yes.
	No.
	No, that's the exact same thing with marriage.
	Do you know how much a divorce costs, though?
	What?
	You're not just saying fuck this.
	I'm not afraid of that.
	Look, I see what you're saying.
	I see what you're saying.
	It's not the exact same thing with marriage because you go through a whole process.
	There's a ceremony.
	Like there's a societal expectation.
	Like part of, you know, part of why it's shameful to divorce is because you're making these vows in front of everybody that you know, hey, I'm going to be faithful to you.
	You're going to be faithful to me.
	And then there's social shame associated with breaking that.
	So it's not exactly the same as like getting married.
	I mean, I'm describing basically just a verbal agreement and a handshake.
	Hey, yeah, we'll be together for life.
	And then the woman's like, okay, I hope he means it.
	You know, that's freaking risky, bro.
	Sure.
	And I would argue that in the past, this wasn't so much a concern because we had a better social fabric.
	People more were, I mean, there was far less divorce historically.
	Now we see the divorce rate is crazy.
	Women overwhelmingly are the ones to initiate divorce.
	That's why, from a male perspective, I have far greater concerns and worries when it comes to potential divorce than perhaps I could have expected 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 plus years ago.
	Also, I would say that the family court system is very gynocentric.
	There's bias against men in the court system.
	Yeah, that's true.
	So it's just, look, you know what I think you should do?
	Just become, I think, no.
	I think you should be the man of God that you say they are.
	Okay.
	Go find a good woman and be the social fabric that you want to see in the world, Brian.
	No, look, the nuclear family, great.
	Kids, marriage, religious marriage, great.
	But again, we have the state, we have this court system.
	No, I see your point.
	And look, dangerous.
	And here's the thing, right?
	Actually, in California.
	Especially in California.
	What are the vows that they say?
	Till death, do us part.
	That has to mean something.
	Till death do us part.
	If I were to get married to a girl, that shit's for life.
	There ain't no, there is no divorce, but there is.
	But there's not, but there is.
	I wouldn't get divorced.
	You remember when we had this conversation with Deborah and Sam and Gorlock?
	Yeah, dude, I looked up, and we were talking about like, you made the claim that Christian marriages still had super high failure rates.
	Dude, so I looked this up.
	It's less.
	I started digging into the data.
	Families that regularly go to church together and read the Bible together and pray together, the divorce rate is less than 1%.
	Yeah.
	Chase, can I ask you a question?
	What's up?
	So I watched the show and I watched it.
	Dakota Kratza donated $99.
	Hello, Jeff.
	Bro, you fucking.
	I'm a 27-year-old Christian, and my line is.
	Three chats are coming in.
	I find you beautiful and interesting, and I'd like to get to know you sometime.
	I'm not much of a social media person, so feel free to text me at all.
	Go watch it.
	Just hit him up.
	See if he's legit.
	That might be okay right there.
	Raven DT donated $100.
	In Judaism, there's a marriage contract called a Ketabar.
	It requires a groom to provide for his bride on their wedding day, intended to protect the woman, primarily by establishing the man's financial obligations to her in case of divorce or his death.
	All right, Raven DT.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Interesting.
	Eliminate no fault divorce.
	This one's coming.
	We got one coming in from Nasha Nabu.
	That's coming in here.
	Nashu Nabu donated $99.
	Thank you, guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Eliminate no fault divorce.
	If the man cheats, she can divorce and get alimony.
	If she cheats and he's the breadwinner, he can divorce her and she loses any chance of alimony.
	If he beats her, she can divorce and get alimony.
	I agree with that.
	Look, I think from a guy's perspective, when it comes to marriage, and I don't want to linger on it too long because I do have a lot of notes I got to get through.
	Women overwhelmingly initiate breakups, initiate divorce.
	So, my view is you never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
	I think no sane informed man ought to sign that contract.
	The problem with sort of these views on marriage is they feel to raise the state, and I think I already said this: the state presides over the marriage, not the biblical values or your religion.
	So, when the woman is unhappy, she's going to go to the state, not God.
	And I think that's primarily where I have an issue.
	I want to add something really quick, though, really quick, just because I really got it.
	It'll be super quick.
	Before no fault divorce, if you wanted to get a divorce in the United States, this was like early 1900s.
	If a woman or a man wanted to divorce their spouse, they had to build a case for why it was justifiable and then provide evidence for that in court.
	That you couldn't just divorce somebody like that.
	Like, I wish we still had that kind of society.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	While we let's pull up the two more videos from her, Nick.
	We'll just do them one after the other.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, also, before we play it, I'm going to do a pause on the TTS.
	I know we say instant, but I just want to get through this next section.
	Go ahead.
	First of all, I think that being single is not an insult.
	Just because you're single doesn't mean that you're not desirable.
	But I don't want just a boyfriend.
	I want to weed out all of the men who don't understand what feminine energy can do for their life.
	All of these men who are saying, What do you bring to the table? haven't experienced goddess queen energy.
	A king will know that a woman in her true femininity adds so much more value to a man than any amount of money ever could.
	Next one.
	I like her videos.
	Lead me when I'm in the mood to be led.
	Nick, F11.
	I want leadership.
	But don't just like toss me around.
	Like, lead me.
	Lead me when I'm in the mood to be led.
	I want leadership.
	But don't.
	Is that kind of like facetious or pretty accurate?
	Would you say?
	I mean, the caption was you're transitioning into like your feminine era, your soft girl era.
	So you're like, lead me.
	So it's like, it's a joke, yeah.
	Okay.
	It's a joke.
	Sad clip of Ryan from the office.
	It is, yeah, which is also facetious.
	It's the office.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	But there's a kernel of truth in the sentiment, yeah.
	The kernel of truth is that it's a struggle to go from being hyper-independent into being into your feminine energy.
	That's the truth for me.
	That's understandable.
	I think a lot of women struggle with that.
	It's hard to let go because you also are like, I've seen all these boys who aren't in their masculine.
	And then once you like step into your feminine, then you attract different kinds of energy.
	But any kind of transition is always hard.
	Yeah, I think a lot of women struggle with that because of feminism, the residue of feminism, and how it conditions women.
	A lot of women have like just tremendous resistance to the idea of like submitting to a man, submitting to a man's leadership.
	Really, at the end of the day, goddess queen energy.
	I mean, even the word queen, it implies that you have a king.
	And at the end of the day, the king's say is the king's say, you know what I mean?
	Now, that doesn't mean that he wouldn't consult his queen, but I wish you success in making that transition into your soft girl era because the kind of men that you want, like women that are easily led, so to speak.
	You know, I have been successful.
	That's good.
	Yeah, it's been good.
	In the second video, we reacted to, that's the one where you were talking about basically essentially the patriarchy that I think men have it easier.
	Women are disadvantaged.
	It's a man's world.
	In the description of that, you say that equality is not sameness.
	It's fairness.
	The sexy and fair thing to do is for the man to pick up the tab.
	Ladies, do not settle for less.
	We teach people how to treat us.
	That is accurate.
	Right, that's what you said.
	And so if I recall, did you say that you consider yourself a feminist?
	Yes, I do.
	So I guess my question to you is: how do you reconcile being a feminist, believing in gender equality, doing away with gender roles?
	I'm not sure if you believe in those, but so how do you reconcile being a feminist, but also demanding that men pay for first dates?
	I think that you don't have to be on one side, like one extreme side or the other extreme side.
	Just like in politics, like you don't have to be like ultra liberal or ultra conservative.
	Like you can kind of figure out the values that you believe in and believe in those values.
	And I wasn't, I didn't really, I was like more in my like masculine, more hyper independent era.
	And then as I became someone who, like the things that I wanted in life shifted, I'm like, oh, I actually do want a lifelong partner.
	And how do I get the kind?
	I just, through contemplation, not through any tradition.
	I'm not looking to tradition.
	I'm not looking to now.
	I'm just thinking about what do I want?
	What kind of person do I want to attract?
	And through that is where I got my values of like, oh, I'm like creating this space where men don't get to like feel like they're the hero, like feel like they're leading.
	And I'm like, I do want a man like that.
	So that means I need to take a step back.
	It has nothing to do with tradition or feminism.
	Like I'm just like, that's what I want to do.
	I don't care if it's a traditional value.
	I don't care if it's a modern value.
	That's just what I want.
	So I'm going to act accordingly.
	So but do you believe in gender equality?
	I believe in fairness.
	I'm not totally following.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that...
	Why would it be unfair to go 50-50?
	Um...
	It's technically you're doing the same thing, but in the relationship that I want, I don't want to do that.
	But you don't want fairness in your relationship.
	It's okay to say that, that you don't want fairness.
	I don't want sameness.
	I want fairness.
	But that's the same thing.
	They mean honestly the same thing.
	You don't want to pay 50-50, which is valid.
	I don't want to either.
	But that's, yeah, I think it's the same thing because if you were to be equal, then you would have to pay 50-50.
	And I think we're arguing semantics.
	Well, it doesn't interest me.
	The words mean the same thing.
	But I mean, do you believe in gender equality?
	Yes.
	Do you believe gender equality?
	I don't believe that the gender sh I don't believe that men and women should do the same things, but I think that women should have the opportunity to do what they want to do.
	Should menu.
	If they want to go 50-50, then go 50-50.
	I don't give a fuck what you do.
	That's just what I want.
	Well, I guess just as a feminist, I guess where I'm struggling is why do you support a rather patriarchal traditional belief of men paying for a woman's time?
	I don't believe that it is a patriarchal belief.
	I think it's based off energy.
	Based off energy.
	The patriarchy, I think, says a woman has to do this.
	She should do this.
	I'm saying you can disagree.
	As the patriarchy's spokesperson on the whatever podcast, the patriarchy says it's good for a woman to do this and a woman ought to do this.
	It's not a woman has to do this.
	It's good for a woman to do this.
	It's in alignment with her nature and a man's nature.
	Yeah.
	Therefore, she ought to.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that official statement from the patriarchy.
	Oh.
	Okay, so I don't know.
	I just feel like part of feminism is challenging gender roles, but let me ask you a couple questions.
	So, will you take your husband's last name?
	I'm not sure.
	What?
	She wants a guy to pick- You want him to feel like the hero in your life and you won't even take- You're not proud to take your man's last name?
	I haven't met a man who is worthy of life.
	But if you did, he would be your husband.
	This would be the guy who you will marry.
	I don't know.
	It depends what his last name is.
	If it's like horrible.
	He smokes.
	Why would a high-value man want to marry a woman who won't even take his last name?
	Why would any man want that?
	I don't know.
	That's like the most humiliating thing in the world.
	I didn't realize that it was so humiliating.
	I mean, I'm definitely open to having a discussion with the man that I fall in love with.
	I don't think that like me and you would be a match.
	I don't think that you and I would be a match.
	And that's totally fine.
	If I meet a man who is my match and he like is like, this is so important to me.
	Like this is what it would mean to me.
	I'm open to having that discussion with him.
	But you said if his name is kind of weird, that that seems like a very arbitrary reason to not want to take if I knew, if I knew that a woman was not interested in taking a man's last name, I would not even offer to take her on a date in the first place.
	Well, luckily, you're not offering to take me on a date, so that's correct.
	Which is just generally speaking.
	I don't want to find a man like you.
	So I think we're going to be.
	Just generally speaking, though, you have to understand it's.
	I understand that men like you want that.
	Yeah, I mean, any traditional guy who's like filling even a remotely patriarchal role.
	Hold on, please let me finish.
	Any traditional guy who's filling even a remotely patriarchal role that you're describing is going to want a woman who would be proud to take his last name.
	That's like a given.
	I just, I don't see like you want the guy to pay for the first date.
	You don't want a 50-50 relationship.
	But like the most basic thing.
	It seems fair.
	The most, it seems like, look, if as a guy, you want to like do the 50-50 thing with your girl, then maybe in that scenario, you should go in expecting, hey, she might want to hyphenate.
	She might not want to take my last name.
	But you have, in the same way that I was talking, in the same way that I was talking earlier about, well, what does the guy that you want, what does he want?
	And the guy that you want who wants to be that masculine guy, who wants to be a leader, who wants to pay for the first dates, not do 50-50, I would assume that he's going to also be the type of guy that wants you to take his last name.
	I don't think some of these things are super bad.
	You know what I would do if I was on a date with a girl and she told me.
	She wouldn't date you.
	No, no, I know.
	But you know, she's made that clear.
	I'm sorry.
	She finds me horrible.
	But like.
	I never said that.
	I said we're not a match.
	That's fair.
	If I was on a date with a girl, you would, I hope, I hope you'll appreciate this.
	If I was on a date with a first date with a girl and halfway through the date, she told me, you know what?
	I'm not interested in taking a man's last name when I marry him.
	No.
	What I would say is, oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't realize we were going on this date as friends.
	Oh!
	Let's.
	Oh.
	Okay, thanks.
	Thanks for coming.
	Let's split the bill.
	To be fair, like, I am transitioning into this.
	Maybe as I date.
	Transitioning?
	I'm transitioning into being more in my feminine era.
	And I'm exploring this apart.
	I'm exploring this apart from tradition.
	I'm not thinking about any values that anyone's taught me.
	I'm not thinking about societal standards.
	I'm thinking about what do I want?
	What kind of energy do I want to apply in my life?
	Let me finish.
	Okay.
	And so as I continue to explore this, as I've gotten more clear with my values, I've had a shift.
	I'm like, oh, maybe I need to do this differently.
	Potentially, maybe that is something that I will have a change of mind.
	I am in a transition.
	I understand.
	I don't understand the male perspective when it comes to that.
	And I've never been even close to like wanting to take a man's last name.
	So I'm open to having my mind shift about this.
	And I don't think that you guys should shame me for being in a space where I'm figuring it out.
	But you shame, you seem so solid on what the expectations of men are, but you don't seem to be very privy to what that type of man wants.
	And you also shame men.
	She's still figuring it out.
	She understands men.
	No, she's a man she's looking forward to.
	She's figured out what she wants, but she hasn't figured out what the man that she wants wants.
	Yes, that's correct.
	But if you want that kind of treatment, then you got to come correct on your end, too.
	Let me tell you what I want.
	What do you want?
	You know what I want?
	Chase, tell us what you want.
	I'll tell you what I want.
	I hope that you find the kind of guy that your heart desires and that he's the kind of man where you look at him and you're like, you know what?
	I want, like, I want to take your last name.
	You are my freaking hero.
	I hope you found that guy.
	Me too.
	If I find that man and that's what he really wants, then great.
	Nick, if you can pull up that video, there's a video where he reacted to recently and then in the past.
	It's this progressive woman who's in a car and she's saying, I can't.
	Do you know what the video I'm talking about, Nick?
	Progressive woman wants traditional man that you're ready for him.
	I will be ready when I find him.
	That's the only reason we're fit together.
	I got another question.
	Will your husband be the head of the household?
	What does that mean?
	He is the leader and the authority in the home.
	Like he gets final say.
	On whatever.
	Everything.
	Doesn't mean he's a tyrant, but if there's an important decision that needs to be made, his final word is the word that goes.
	His final word.
	So if we disagreed on something, so we're talking about something.
	Homeschooling.
	Let's say you're having a debate.
	Right, okay, so let's homeschool our children.
	I'm like, I don't want to have the time because I have to do these performances.
	I'm doing my music, whatever.
	I don't have time to homeschool or whatever.
	Sure.
	And would I say, would I like just let him say, no, this is why, da-da-da-da-da, and then be like, okay, sure.
	Is that what you're asking?
	If I want to do that, I feel like that's a bad example because you guys, you would probably never end up with a guy who wanted to do homeschooling if you want to perform while you're in marriage and having a family.
	Let's say moving somewhere.
	Let's say you want to move to Montana, but he feels it's really important to move to Utah instead, just hypothetically speaking.
	And he's like, hey, babe, I have X, Y, and Z reasons.
	This is really important.
	And you're like, no, I want to move to Montana instead.
	And he's like, babe, I need you on board.
	We need to move to Utah.
	Would you acquiesce?
	Would you submit to that?
	I think this kind of a situation is difficult to say what I would do because it's extremely hypothetical.
	But I will say, in a hypothetical situation, say, I meet the man, I'm like, oh my God, give me your last name.
	We have kids, whatever.
	Our values and our vision are aligned.
	I don't feel like I have to give up a part of myself because we're together.
	Like, I'm supporting his vision and he is supporting mine because they're the same vision.
	We have the same vision for our family.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I was just going to say, I think someone has to lead, though, right?
	Like, there's, it's usually one person only.
	That's why when you file taxes, there's a head of the household.
	So there's never just a part, like, even though it's a partnership, one person takes the lead, and it's generally the man, which is why he's asking if being the head of the household.
	And then the homeschooling kids was a bad example because, like, like he said, you would, to be a traditional feminine woman, like working a career while raising children at the same time wouldn't.
	Okay, here, I'll just fucking say it.
	Our child has come to us confused because they've been schooled publicly.
	I'm going to reduce, we're going to take out the homeschooling component of it.
	Our child comes home confused.
	We have a biological son.
	He's thinking, oh, might be a woman.
	I'm here saying, no, we're not going to put our son on fucking puberty blockers.
	We're not going to put him on drugs.
	We're not going to do any of that stuff.
	If as he at 18, if he just won't listen to us and he can make those decisions once he's reached a majority of age, if he wants to do that, he can.
	But we are not, I'm not going to allow my child to do this.
	Would you?
	I feel like this isn't a great example either.
	No, I mean, I suppose it's important, though, because this happens in households in America.
	Men need to think about this.
	Like, this is why, this is why I will state him.
	I don't know if it's a good example, but like, would you defer to me saying, no, we're not going to do this.
	Or even to simplify it even further, you want your kid to go to public school.
	Your husband's like, no, we need to spend more money to go to private school.
	But you're like, I'd rather save that money so we can buy like whatever.
	You have a different financial goal.
	He's like, no, like, he needs to not go to public school because they're indoctrinating children.
	Would you agree to that?
	If he's paying for the private school, sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Here, let me move on.
	There's one last aspect of this that I think is worth calling attention to.
	It's like you're saying, like, no, I don't want patriarchy, but also at the same time, you're saying, I want to fully step into my queen goddess energy.
	But being a queen to the kind of man that you're describing implies a king, and that is a patriarchal structure.
	And if you want a king, a man who's truly embodying king energy, if you want him to step into that role, he's going to expect that you will submit as his queen.
	Now, that doesn't mean that he'll boss you around as his slave, but like a queen is subordinate to the king.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think that the word submit has a lot of baggage with it.
	Of men, like, because I've been in households and I know many men who abuse their authority and say, submit to me.
	They don't, they don't.
	Submission is given, not taken, but so that's just abuse.
	That's not.
	Yeah, no.
	And I think a lot of people say the word submit, but what they mean is abuse.
	So that's what I'm against.
	No, I think we're pretty confident in what we mean by like.
	No, I'm not saying you guys.
	I'm just saying in general.
	I do need to move this on a little bit, but let me get these, since grid one just sent to, let me get these to come through here.
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	Would you do it?
	Kiko is the verifier.
	That's such a funny thing for life.
	Would you do it, bro?
	Prison for life.
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	We had one last thing on this.
	I would say that if you want your man to be a gentleman, chivalrous, traditional, but if you're not willing to give back traditional values to him, taking his last name, it doesn't sound like fair trade-off.
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	Is it muted, Nick?
	Is it muted?
	The audio?
	Oh, okay.
	So, it's just like, let me see.
	You just, you cannot recoil at the very idea of gender roles, but then expect men to pay because men paying is a gender role.
	So you can't just discard all the gender roles that have to do with you, but then expect the man to still abide by every gender role that applies to him.
	So, I don't know.
	I'll end it at this.
	I think that women want equality societally and they want tradition romantically, insofar as that tradition stands to benefit them.
	Where said tradition does not stand to benefit women, they will not adhere to that specific tradition.
	They will desire and pressure men to adhere to their traditional gender roles.
	They want to have their cake and eat it too.
	Basically, that not paying thing or the paying thing really gets to you, huh?
	Because I can tell that that one really like it ruffles your feathers.
	Yeah, pull your mic for you.
	Just a little bit.
	Pull your mic close to the edge of the table, please.
	No, it doesn't.
	It doesn't.
	I don't.
	How does it ruffle my feathers?
	I can just tell because you go back to like that.
	Like, that's like the base argument.
	Well, I mean, that's the primary video that we're reacting to today.
	I could just tell.
	It doesn't ruffle my feathers.
	Brian has a good point, though, in that a lot of women, almost all women, want traditional behavior for men, but they're not willing to live up to traditional behavior on their own side.
	You guys want...
	But I think there's a lot of men that want good women, but also won't be good.
	Sure, absolutely.
	And I feel like a lot of our experiences in modern day dating, unfortunately, aren't the best.
	That's why only one of us is in a relationship at the moment.
	And it's because we're dealing with men who claim they want these values that you're saying, but end up doing not great stuff.
	No, him, because he says a lot of things that are good, right?
	Like that you want a woman and you're a certain man and all this stuff.
	But unfortunately, there's a lot of men who say this that aren't doing that.
	Look, and they're lying.
	Let me tell you.
	And they're putting us.
	Ava, Ava, let me tell you something.
	I know a lot of guys, okay?
	And the bad boys that you guys are describing is a small minority.
	The reality is that there are a lot of good guys out there that simply just want to find a good woman and treat her right.
	But most women, quite frankly, suck at picking dudes.
	They pick the bad boys that don't give a damn about them because those bad boys spark their feelings.
	They get you ladies feeling, some type of thing.
	And you're like, ooh, I like how he makes me feel.
	And then you guys get into a relationship and he cheats on you, blah, When all of the red flags are present at the beginning.
	But not always, though.
	And that's the thing.
	It's not always the case and vice versa.
	Like, I hate making generalizations about anything.
	I do agree to a capacity for some, for sure.
	There's a lot of good guys out there.
	And I agree.
	I do agree.
	Most men are invisible to most women.
	I will.
	You probably have 500 men in your phone contacts right now that would treat you so right if you would give them the time of day and keep them a date.
	But you wouldn't have to do that.
	I have friends.
	Actually, not necessarily.
	And I really do believe that.
	With a very developed, like you learn from your experiences, right?
	I at least hope.
	So I feel like as you get more confident and secure with yourself, you know what you want more so.
	And so you seek after that so you won't give these guys the time of day or you'll be able to pick up the red flags quicker, right?
	But it's funny how now you see the red flags so often that it's just like wild how many people are, you know, trying to lie or manipulate to get you in bed or do all this stuff or say all this stuff.
	So it's just, it is a little bit more saturated at first that you have to weed through a lot of people claiming they want these values that you're saying, but they genuinely don't mean it.
	And that's why like you told her, don't sleep with them right away.
	Wait a while, you know, because their true character will show.
	People can have a good personality.
	Perfect filter.
	Like it's women would be able to filter.
	If women waited a few months before having sex with guys, they would filter 99% of the bad dudes.
	And the thing is, though, but at the same time, yes, but also no, because you can wait, you can be friends with a guy for over a year and then decide to take it there and they end up doing the same thing.
	So I think it's very situational.
	It's very much about the person.
	It's what their values are, how they've been raised, how they've decided, you know, like everything else.
	In the context of, you know, what we've been discussing, which is dudes cheating, being dishonest, lying, all that kind of stuff, you're going to figure out real quick if a guy just wants sex and if he can't keep it in his pants, if you tell him, no, we're not going to have sex, and then he just immediately dips.
	But from my experience, that's not what happens.
	Like, that doesn't happen.
	So you've had guys cheat on you that you've waited to have sex with?
	You've had guys pursue you for long periods of time and you refuse to have sex with them.
	And then after you started, then they cheated on you.
	How many times has this happened to you?
	A lot.
	A lot.
	Yeah.
	I think you guys honestly just suck at picking.
	I don't think so.
	I think it's just like a lot of people are manipulated.
	Yeah.
	No.
	I don't really know a single woman who hasn't dealt with some sort of a horrible dating relation.
	Same with men family.
	No, I'm not saying people don't deal with horrible dating situations, but like, yeah, if you date enough guys, eventually there's going to be a guy that cheats on you.
	But my point is that like, y'all got to improve your pool of dudes that you're picking from.
	This is why I only talk to Christian chicks.
	Wait, one of you, and one of you, I don't think we got here.
	Is it you that mentioned butterflies?
	You had butterflies for somebody?
	Or was it you?
	I don't know.
	But related to women picking not the best guys, I think a lot of women are looking for the click, the vibe, the butterflies, the spark, the chemistry, et cetera, the tingles, whatever, magic, fireworks, whatever bullshit term you want to use.
	And I think the issue is, is that in addition to looking for like, because of women's hypergamous nature, you're looking, most women are all chasing after the top tier of men.
	Those men have all the options.
	So yes, they're more likely to cheat, but you're looking.
	Let me ask the girls a question.
	If you don't feel the quit, the click with a guy pretty quickly, do you just not give that guy a chance?
	It's a good question.
	Like, I often hear women say, the vibe has to be there.
	There has to be a click.
	There has to be spark, chemistry, electricity, because I've heard women say, and maybe you guys can tell me if you agree with this.
	You've met a guy who, on paper, he's fantastic, good looking, good job, treats you well, good personality, but he's just missing something.
	You just didn't feel this click or spark or connection.
	It's like sexual tension.
	I've still given that person a chance.
	Okay.
	A lot of women don't give that guy a chance.
	And that's actually probably the good guy you should go for.
	It goes back to you.
	You say you pick terrible men.
	You like you're attracted to bad boys and whatnot.
	Unfortunately.
	Right.
	So that which exists in you, I think, exists in a lot of women.
	You want this sort of excitement.
	Yes, they do.
	You want this excitement from a guy.
	Yes.
	And a good guy can give you that, but I think it's a little bit harder.
	But the guys who are bad or toxic, they can definitely give you that.
	It's like a dopamine rush, actually.
	You're getting like an addictive drug response every time they do something crazy or make you wait for a response or something like that.
	It's like feeding your brain every time with this happy chemical.
	And with chemicals, this no chemistry, he's boring.
	I think that actually translates to he doesn't trigger your anxious trauma response, which you confuse for love.
	Yeah, I think she's right.
	You should give those guys a chance.
	Not because you have it.
	Yeah, but honestly, I mean, it's very situational because you can give them a chance, but then you realize their character is maybe not who you once thought of being good.
	Because also, I think you're going off a very stereotypical bad boy.
	Like that's like so cliche.
	Like they're guys and triggers and toxicity comes in many forms and many behaviors.
	And so.
	You know what I think it is?
	Sorry, if you want to finish.
	And so I just feel like that's a very generalized statement.
	Because like, yeah, if you don't feel the spark right away, like I speaking from personal experience, I think that's a little immature.
	I think it's nice to get to know somebody and there might not be a spark right away and all this stuff.
	But in my experience, that has also not led to a genuinely truthful person, even if it's been waiting a year or waiting months to be with them or whatever.
	So it's like, there are just some people who are like that, you know?
	And that just kind of is what it is.
	This is what I think it is.
	I'm about to mansplain as a representative of the patriarchy.
	Women are just, you guys are emotional creatures.
	You know, you guys feel things very intensely.
	Generally speaking, when a woman meets a guy who sparks her emotions real strong, it's like you said, it's like a drug.
	It's like, woof, like, whoa, you know?
	If that's humor, if that's confidence, maybe a guy drops like, you know, he has like good eye contact with you, says the right thing when you guys are meeting, you know, shoots those butterflies through your system.
	Women feel that super intensely.
	It's intoxicating for a woman to experience that.
	I think given the option between that, a guy who can like spark all those emotions versus a guy who's kind of like a bit more boring, nine times out of ten, women pursue that emotional rush.
	I think that's what drives a lot of this behavior.
	One last thing with Pearl here.
	You said some men are emotionally attracted to other men.
	Huh?
	But sexually attracted to women and tall men are overrated.
	Okay.
	Yeah, those are my hot takes.
	Some men are emotionally attracted to other men.
	Do you detect that right here?
	Do you detect it?
	I didn't say it.
	But sexually attracted.
	Okay, and tall men are overrated.
	I don't often hear that.
	That's an interesting.
	I think that tall men are overrated.
	You like short dudes?
	Do you like a short king?
	It's not that I prefer a short king or a tall person, but I think that women overvalue height with men.
	It's like they become blind to other stuff.
	That's all that's super valid.
	5'6 ⁇ .
	Okay, that's super valid.
	Yeah, I mean, to be fair, like, am I sexually attracted to someone who's very, very short?
	Probably not.
	But I think this whole like 6'3 and above or I won't even talk to him is bullshit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There we go.
	Common ground.
	What do you have?
	What are the heights of the last three men that you've been with?
	5'8.
	Okay.
	6'6.
	Oh.
	5'10.
	Okay.
	All right, so that's like a cross-section there.
	I don't discriminate anymore.
	It's fairness.
	That's fair.
	There you go.
	6'6 was honestly too tall.
	Low-key.
	Are you gonna say something?
	I do have to head out, actually.
	I was gonna say traffic, but.
	She's late and she has to leave early.
	Oh, look.
	I wasn't late the other day.
	Go ahead.
	It's all good.
	It's all good.
	I enjoy the panel a lot.
	It's very nice.
	Ave Marie.
	You said that you were tricked.
	Oh, sorry.
	You said that you were tricked into a double date once.
	I went on a date with a guy that told me he asks zero questions.
	I went on a date with a guy who showed up late and then instead of going to dinner, we went to Frozen Yogurt and he kept going behind me in line to get topping.
	Inevitable leaving me to pay.
	Yeah, that was insane.
	That's sickening.
	Bro, that super chat movie was there was so good.
	I need to hear this story.
	Super chat was so good.
	I'll get it.
	Let's see.
	You said that being truly confident and full of self-love can leave you alone for a long time.
	How so?
	Because like I don't accept what I used to accept anymore, right?
	Like I have learned my lessons.
	I've learned about the red flags.
	And so I say no a lot now.
	There's a lot of guys who ask me on dates that in the past I probably would have gone out with, but I see the red flags.
	And I'm like, no, like you've already said something weird.
	You've already said something that I know what you're about.
	And so you're alone for a very long time.
	And especially someone who's pursuing a career very intensely, I can only focus on that.
	And if you're not adding something truly positive and supporting and you're not really truthful to yourself, I feel like a lot of the time in the past now looking, I was a mirror for many men and had them face a lot of the hypocrisies that they would tell me but then not do.
	And I just feel like, yeah, I'm very confident in myself.
	I know what I bring to the table.
	I know I'm genuine and true.
	I'm very much about my word and I'm not going to be with a man who's not.
	And I can kind of, I can pick up the red flags now.
	Like I've learned lessons.
	So yeah, have I not been going on as many dates as I used to?
	Yeah, because I don't even want to do that.
	I'm looking for someone who's genuine.
	I want to have real conversation.
	I really want to get to know you.
	And I really want you to care about getting to know me and know that it's not some agenda or kind of fake.
	Even though in the past, I don't think it was either.
	Because I do think these men did care for me, but it wasn't in the way I needed.
	And so, yeah, I feel like I'm just saying no more.
	So that means I'm alone, but I'm not lonely, if that makes sense.
	That's good.
	I think women need to get good at saying no when it comes to guys.
	Yeah, and it's just about knowing your worth and like truly being confident, taking time to be alone and to figure out what you want in life, in family, in your partner, and your friends.
	Even no to friends, too, you know, but definitely to relationships and dating.
	I'll tell you one of my opinions on women.
	I think being able to say no is a trait of a high-value woman.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	Based.
	Let's see.
	Actually, let me do some chats and then I'll continue on with my notes here.
	We have Jesus saved me.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	I know someone who had an affair and got the woman pregnant and still did not file for divorce.
	His wife had to file for divorce.
	So that is one reason why women initiating divorce is high because men will not leave even in a situation like that.
	Word?
	Thank you, Jesus.
	Dan, this is one reason why women is high because men will not leave.
	Someone who had an affair got the woman pregnant and still did not file.
	Okay.
	It's like my biological father.
	Wow.
	Grid one motorsports.
	Dudes will wait in the friend zone forever to get a chance to bump uglies, but the guy you're dating will not wait for sex.
	Girls, listen to much, too much to what makes the pussy quiver.
	Oh, what?
	Excuse me?
	Quivering pussy.
	That was cringe.
	What even is that?
	I mean, it's crudely put, but he's right.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, I think it was you that was saying, yeah, there's guys, even if you wait a long time, I think if the context of the interaction or relationship is romantic from the jump, not the case, but if he's just like quietly waiting in the friend zone for his chance, then certainly, yeah, he might just.
	Women want the romance.
	They want the feels.
	They want a guy who makes them feel something.
	So we have Trevalo Smooth.
	redhead is belong beyond the lulu uh if you had multiple situate actually chase Sorry, could you read this?
	Yeah.
	Actually, Ava, how about you read it?
	Red.
	I love how they're all referencing me by my hair.
	But Redhead is Beyond Dolulu.
	If you have had multiple situations where you pick trash men, then you have trash intuition, even though intuition is BS.
	This is why it's important to have your father, brother, uncle, et cetera, to prevent this bad cycle.
	First of all.
	Fantastic comments.
	Wait, why are you laughing?
	Do you think it's funny or like you disagree?
	Well, first of all, I never said I picked these men.
	Like, yes, eventually I did, but I can honestly say that the men I have been referencing on this have pursued and pursued and pursued me so intensely that I was like, you know what?
	Fine, we're going to go on a date.
	And like, whatever.
	It wasn't in like a creepy, scary way, but they were very consistent and they really said a lot.
	And I saw also their characteristics, at least for what they were pursuing.
	They seemed very at least mature and healthy and blah, blah, blah, with all that shit going on.
	Obviously, I didn't know about the relationship stuff.
	But my intuition is what led me to figuring out all the bad, which led me to end it.
	Granted, I do admit there were red flags for some of them in the beginning that now, like I'm saying, I have learned from.
	Now I'm saying no a lot to the things I wouldn't have before.
	But just to clarify.
	Thank you.
	That other guy.
	Oh my gosh.
	Modest Hikima donated $101.
	High six, six figure, 29 software and body count seven.
	Ava, you really think I want some random chick that has been with 20 plus dudes?
	Please stop lying to yourself.
	It's generic.
	Also, props to Jackie on the Amazon job.
	Corporate chill by day, badass by night.
	Okay.
	I don't really know that.
	Did you?
	They have a quick thing.
	Trevello Smooth's comment.
	He said, This is why it's important to have your father, brother, uncle, etc. to vet men for you to prevent this bad cycle.
	So true.
	These guys are shit, though.
	Like, what if they are bad?
	Like, what if they're not good at that?
	Hopefully, you have a good menu.
	Helping good men vet your people is good.
	But your father, your brother, those are not good men.
	I mean, it depends on the person.
	But if the point is that you, it's good to have that.
	Yeah, and getting your pen stopped 100%.
	Please allow me to finish my point.
	It's important to have men that care about you in your life who also know how men are.
	Like, I've had female friends throughout my life.
	I knew that they were with bad dudes, and I could sniff how bad their dudes were from 100 miles away.
	Yeah.
	It's very important to have guys like that around you in your life that can do that for you.
	Yeah.
	Also, we need to leave at 9.45.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, you're related to this.
	Chase, you say women suck at picking dudes.
	You're 100% right.
	That's why arranged marriages are standard.
	In so many parts of the world, I think this is somewhat related to Trevalo's thing.
	The father needs to vet potentials for this reason, ladies.
	That was why that's how courtship has been historically.
	A guy, if a guy wanted to pursue a woman, her father had to be involved and he would vet the guy.
	Because women, generally speaking, cannot vet guys properly.
	My father would not have been a great person to vet for me, though.
	I'm sorry to hear that.
	Yeah, it sucks.
	If all men were good at that, give your kids that gift by finding a great man.
	I will.
	All right, we have Stiffler here.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	We're going to go around the table on this.
	Go ahead.
	Ten.
	We're rating our own look.
	Is that what?
	Yeah, yeah, like objectively.
	Your looks, Ten.
	I hate this question.
	How about zero?
	Don't worry about it.
	Don't be like, all right, fine.
	Eight.
	I don't know.
	I hate that question.
	Why?
	Because it's so like shallow and stupid.
	Would you date a guy who's still there?
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	Absolutely.
	No, shorter than me.
	I'm 5'5.
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	Yes.
	Stop the calf.
	No, you wouldn't.
	He would not.
	I don't know.
	Okay, so shallow.
	I don't know.
	I would say probably seven and a half to eight.
	I'd say around seven, eight.
	Six to seven, but I think seven when I smell.
	I freaking love the answer so much.
	I love all substances.
	Chase, what about you?
	Seven and a half, eight on a good day.
	I give myself six, six and a half on a good day.
	I'm going to say it.
	Y'all, I'm not going to rate y'all, but y'all overrated yourselves a lot.
	That's not very nice.
	Why?
	It's just.
	I didn't really.
	I heard two tens right off the bat.
	Two tens off the bat.
	Perfect.
	I'm not saying you guys are ugly, but like it gets to me when every freaking time like half the panel rates themselves.
	Do you think all women should be tens?
	Consider themselves tens?
	No.
	You too, since you're the tens.
	Do I think that all women should consider themselves as tens?
	Looks-wise.
	Looks-wise?
	Looks-wise.
	I think that how you perceive yourself is all about your self-worth, and like your looks follow from that.
	Like, my looks have grown as my self-worth has grown.
	So I think it's all connected.
	Would your looks have grown?
	Like, I feel like my looks have improved as my self-worth has improved.
	You improve your feminine energy.
	You look more good.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Like, do I have more to go?
	Like, yeah, maybe I could be an 11.
	Like, who knows?
	No, that's not how this works.
	You said 10 is maxed out.
	It's a 10.
	I think that every woman can get to a point where they perceive themselves as a 10, and it's a worthy goal to do.
	Yeah.
	How do you think?
	How do you think the average man looks?
	How do you think the average man would rate you out of 10?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Wait, but you think all of them?
	I think looks is very subjective.
	But so should all women view themselves as 10s in terms of their looks, physical appearance?
	I think that every woman should work on viewing themselves as a 10.
	I don't think that from the beginning, maybe, I don't know, maybe from the beginning, they feel like for men too?
	Like, should men perceive themselves as tens?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I can't speak for men.
	Okay.
	Men can do whatever they want.
	How would you have responded if Brian said that he was a 10?
	I wouldn't.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because I want someone who's like confident.
	I'm not going to tarry you down.
	The confident thing is.
	And also real, though, but like at the same time, I think there's many factors that go into a 10.
	Like there is a lot of things.
	No, but it's just looks purely physical attractiveness.
	Well, freaking women, dude.
	I don't know.
	Wouldn't the confident thing be like, I acknowledge that I'm not amongst the most physically attractive people in the world?
	I'm a six, I'm a seven.
	I'm confident in that.
	I don't feel bad about my physical appearance, but I also acknowledge that I'm not on par with the most beautiful models in the entire world.
	If you say you're a 10, that means that you view your own self-assessment of your physical attractiveness is that I am on par with the most beautiful people in the world.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's not just I'm on par with the most beautiful people in the world.
	It's I am equal to the most beautiful people.
	Isn't that the same kind of sound?
	I don't know why you want so badly for girls to bring their numbers down.
	Why is that so like it's a question?
	For you to say that we overrated us is so ridiculous.
	How's that ridiculous?
	Because you don't even think of yourself as a 10, but yeah, you're trying to tell us what we are.
	Yeah, because I have eyeballs and I think there's a 10 rating.
	Ladies, the point that Brian's making is if you took a thousand men and you all lined up in front of a thousand men and then you collected each of their ratings, so to speak.
	The point that Brian's making is your ratings of yourselves would probably differ from a thousand men's if you took the average of all of them, a thousand men's ratings.
	Yes, I agree with that statement.
	I'm not saying that I'm a 10, by the way.
	I already answered this.
	Was the question, how do men perceive my looks or how do I know how do you objectively hold on yourself?
	When it comes to this question, let's say, for example, there is to some degree objectivity when it comes to beauty.
	So I can't say I have a million dollars in my bank account, and if I have zero dollars in my bank account, just because I think it or say it doesn't mean that it's true.
	There is objectivity to beauty.
	There's also a convention to beauty.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So how are we like?
	Well, okay, so I have a question for you.
	You have lip filler, correct?
	No.
	You don't have lip filler?
	I got lip filler done two years ago.
	Okay.
	So maybe there's some left over from it, but it's just the way that I do my.
	Oh, okay.
	You had lip filler previously.
	Yes, I did, yeah.
	Okay.
	And so do you feel that, like, if you were a 10, why the need for, were you not a 10 back then?
	I think that I've grown in confidence and in looks, yeah, since then.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But I think if I perceive myself as a 10, then I like push myself to get to those standards every day.
	So I don't think it's helpful.
	You know what?
	At the end of the day, I don't really give a fuck what true is.
	I give more of a fuck of what is effective.
	You don't give a fuck about what truth is?
	I care more about what's going to be effective for me than what I care about being right or whatever, because right is the perception of what?
	Like what is that even?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like according to objective reality according to who?
	To you?
	To the thousands of men?
	Objective reality isn't according to anybody.
	I mean, objective reality is just objective reality.
	But who decides what objective reality is that you're talking about?
	Well, so for example, beauty is based on symmetry and the golden ratio.
	Okay.
	Right.
	That's objective reality.
	That's not something like it's nobody's perception.
	Like, for example.
	Okay, so if that's the question, my answer is, I don't give a fuck.
	Okay.
	In the beginning of the podcast, who rated us?
	I heard you call numbers out.
	Was that a moment?
	Some random super chat.
	It was a chat.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but I mean, the reason why, I guess to answer your question, why I think it's important that both men and women, you guys got to go.
	You can't say another like 15, 20 minutes.
	No, maybe another five, but okay, we'll do another five.
	We could do another five.
	We could do another five.
	Fuck it.
	Well, not four.
	Okay, well, all right.
	You got four minutes.
	I got four minutes to make some points.
	Save the world.
	Save the fucking world.
	Make your points while you're here, dude.
	So clock's ticking.
	I think that both men and women need to be operating in reality when it comes to their own self-assessment of their attractiveness in the dating marketplace.
	If you're, no offense, delusional when it comes to your own physical attractiveness.
	I'm not saying you guys are unattractive or ugly.
	You're both attractive women.
	But however, if you think you are a 10, aka you are perfect, you are on par with the most beautiful women in the world, that is delusion.
	And I think I'm an average-looking dude.
	I don't think I'm anything special.
	You were trying to say, well, how can you, as a guy who's not a 10, claim that we're not 10?
	First off, you need not be, in order to see something, you need not be that thing which you don't see in that person to be able to see it.
	I think it's very important that both men and women are realistic about where they stand when it comes to their place in the dating marketplace.
	If you don't, I think that's where women typically end up getting burned by dudes because if you think you're hot shit, you're going to get like these guys, you're going to think you're deserving or entitled to a certain caliber of guy.
	And if you think you're a 10, surely then you must be deserving of a guy who's a 10.
	Now, you might hold this view that you hold for yourself to the way that you the 10 in Euro.
	Okay.
	Brian, let me land it for you.
	I know what you're picking.
	I know what you're putting down.
	I'm picking it up.
	A lot of women think that they're 10s.
	A lot of women also end up sleeping with dudes that are 10s because those guys will sleep with them.
	Women, it reaffirms this belief in their minds.
	Oh, I'm a 10.
	And then these women hit cold, hard reality when they realize, oh, the kinds of guys that I could sleep with are not the kinds of guys that I can lock down for marriage.
	This happens across society as a whole.
	You shaking your head at that.
	You don't think so?
	That's not my experience.
	Look, it might not be your experience, but it is for a lot of women.
	A lot of women, a lot of women don't.
	They should evaluate their self-identity.
	They should.
	And a lot of women will be with guys that are very high value who want to sleep with them.
	Are they high value or are they good looking?
	Just hold on.
	Both.
	A lot of women will sleep with guys that are quote unquote high value who want to sleep with them.
	But then they find the cold, hard reality.
	When it's time to settle down, they realize, oh, those guys that I liked that were willing to sleep with me in the past won't marry me.
	And that's a hard realization for a lot of women.
	I think that's a good argument for saying maybe you shouldn't think.
	If that's what's happening because of your belief that you're a 10, then you shouldn't do that.
	Yes.
	My experience of believing that I'm a 10 is like five years ago, I mean, most women are insecure.
	The most beautiful women in the world are insecure.
	So to me, the way that I combated that insecurity was saying, I'm hot shit.
	I'm the baddest bitch in this room.
	I'm a 10.
	And every time I walk into a room, I walk into a room with 10 energy.
	As I walk into a room with 10 energy, it attracts different energy because it's not really just about your looks.
	It's about the kind of person that you are, the energy that you bring, your confidence.
	And when you think, oh, I'm a 10, my looks are a 10, and then I start acting like it.
	I start doing my hair differently, I start doing my makeup differently, I start getting actually physically more beautiful.
	And I know I will become even more beautiful as I continue to think I'm a 10, I'm a bad bitch.
	So that's effective for me.
	If it's ineffective for me to think that I'm a 10 and I'm ending up in these weird situations, then I should reevaluate and look at reality.
	But in my experience, it's only benefited me and helped me become more and more physically beautiful and better overall.
	Wait, question for you on this here.
	So cheers to that.
	So you're saying that you will become more physically beautiful.
	I mean, just given the track record, I think.
	Okay, I have a question.
	Are you more physically attractive now at 31 than you were at 21?
	Yes.
	Will you be more physically attractive at 41 than you are now?
	I think that my mindset should stay the same.
	I think maybe for a 41-year-old, can I compare myself to someone who's 25?
	No, 41 versus shades or whatever.
	Yeah, at 31.
	Well, you said you're more physically attractive now at 31 versus when you were 21.
	Yes, yes.
	And you'll be more, do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years at 41 versus now at 31?
	Well, I think as we age, you know, like our physical beauty does decrease, you know?
	So when I'm 41, I mean, I hope to be a hot 41-year-old.
	Am I going to be as like youthful and like whatever as I am now?
	I don't know.
	Probably not, to be honest.
	But I still think my internal like posturing should be I'm a 10.
	I'm a bad bitch.
	You know, this is one of the few things you've said on this podcast that we can absolutely agree on.
	On the last podcast, on the last podcast I did with Brian, I said that it's really important for women to cultivate that inner beauty.
	And I can tell that's something that you've worked on and it's something that you're intentional about.
	And I salute you for that.
	Thank you.
	You know, there's, especially we live in a world where there's a lot of women out there that are filled with insecurity and self-loathing.
	I think those are, just objectively speaking, those aren't attractive traits.
	I don't think delusional self-confidence is good, but I think healthy self-confidence is very attractive.
	And, you know, I salute that.
	It's a good trait to develop.
	Thank you.
	And as you know, I made this point on the last podcast.
	As a woman cultivates that inner beauty and also that inner femininity, that does also make her more beautiful externally.
	So I agree with you on that.
	Yeah.
	And just kind of, I guess, to land the plan on what I was saying before.
	So if I had to distill down one of the primary issues in dating that I see, so women want the best man that they can get.
	Women will confuse sexual attraction for relationship attraction.
	So men will sleep with women who they would never have a relationship with just solely based on the metric of looks.
	So a woman can sleep with a guy who's out of her league in terms of looks, status, et cetera, money.
	That guy's never going to commit to her.
	So if you start, women can sleep up, but you probably aren't going to like marry up.
	So if you think you're a 10, like I think it's important to be based in reality when it comes to your own self-assessment of your physical appearance, because if you think you're hot shit, and let's say you're not, you're going to be chasing after dudes who will gladly sleep with you, who are really attractive guys, who make a lot of money, who have high status.
	These men will never give you the ring.
	That's why you have women who are trapped in situationships with dudes who will never give you commitment.
	That's why I think it's very important to have an accurate self-assessment of your own attractiveness, your own physical attractiveness in the dating marketplace.
	That way, you know, here's the guy who I think I can realistically get a relationship from.
	Because men will gladly sleep with you, keep you on the back burner, just string you along, sleep with you.
	They'll never give you commitment.
	And that's why I think it's important that both men and women are aware of where they stand in the sexual marketplace, the dating marketplace.
	So your league is the men who will marry you, not the men who will sleep with you.
	And as women, typically I think women, you'll break a rule to sleep with a guy.
	He has to be your rule for sleeping with a guy quick if he's really physically attractive.
	Whereas men, it tends to be the reverse.
	So men will sleep with women of a, let's say, men will sleep with women that they would never be in a relationship with.
	They'll sleep with you, but just based on your looks alone, they would never be in a relationship with you.
	Whereas I think it's typically the reverse for women.
	In order for you to sleep with a guy, he needs to be at least physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
	So, anyways, I know you guys have to go.
	So, thank you very much for coming.
	Is that gang signs?
	Hi.
	Oh, dope.
	Oh, body count?
	Nice meeting.
	Wait, really quick.
	Do you guys, does body count matter?
	What do you mean?
	Do you think, like, do you object?
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Our time is up.
	I think, here.
	I'm going to do.
	I'm going to rearrange the seating here.
	Nice to meet you guys.
	Thank you guys for coming.
	Drive safe.
	So here, I'm going to just, y'all are just going to move down this way.
	Scuffed that one.
	She's trying to, before they left.
	I'm back in.
	Nah, just leave it on for now.
	I mean, maybe we'll do it.
	We're at work.
	Yeah, no, all the way down.
	All the way down.
	Like 20-30 minutes.
	I need to get through some of my notes.
	I'm going to step out for just one minute.
	Yeah.
	You scoot down right here, and then I'm going to adjust the cameras.
	Damn, I had so many.
	I'm like so behind on notes.
	I'm going to read some chats, guys.
	I'm going to read.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	No, you.
	Sorry.
	You go that way.
	Can you guys just like go?
	Yeah, there.
	And then can you go over there?
	I guess.
	Okay, guys, I'm going to do a couple chats.
	Travola.
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, wow, this looks a lot different.
	Wait, yo, Nick, tell- Alright.
	Let me get these chats here.
	Hold on, guys.
	All right, we got.
	If you rates it yourself, does not Raven DT donated $100.
	If you rate yourself a 10 out of 10 in your physical appearance, it automatically makes you a zero.
	Hubris and vanity are unbecoming.
	True confidence is accepting that you are a six and working on your personality so you can compensate appropriately.
	Raven DT, well, well put.
	Well put.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	We got some more coming in here.
	One sec, guys.
	I'm not going to pause these anymore, by the way, guys.
	So he'll just come in.
	Call the underscore to underscore 10s underscore him underscore three donated $99.
	I think her cute.
	But girl one, her fashion is really bad.
	And her head style and earrings scream dollar store.
	A rocking Ethiopian cleavage.
	Long and flat relative to other women.
	Objectively, you're a five and with Betham Cup plus clothes, a six.
	I'm sure there's still in the studio.
	I'm sure you're a one.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay, she says you're one to the two tens.
	I'm sorry.
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	Imagine thinking you are a 10.
	If you were a 10, you would have kicked your already.
	Sorry, guys.
	W think to the point.
	If you were a 10, you would be so far taken.
	If you think your looks are 10, that's wrong.
	If they were, your personality takes you to a three.
	Time to leave 304 bricks and W. I'm sorry that a lot of these were directed at the girls who left, but it's now, there's no pause anymore with the TTS, so we're full steam ahead.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	I had some notes here.
	one sec guys so we had not michelle Kylie.
	Finally getting to Kylie at the very fucking end of the show.
	We had a lot of chats and stuff.
	So you were in.
	Oh, I need to adjust the camera angles here.
	Fuck.
	I'll wait till Chase gets back, I guess.
	You were in a relationship.
	Currently, it's complicated with the same person.
	But then, oh, that's when you first reach out, but now you're single.
	Yeah, the things changed since the first time.
	Tilt the mic up towards you a little bit.
	Here, excuse your mic closer to you, please.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Yeah, yeah, we're good.
	You said you have a super terrible dating story about the first guy you ever loved.
	Why don't you tell us that story?
	Okay.
	Where do I start?
	Okay, I met him at a Christmas tree lot.
	I pretty much fell in love with him instantly.
	He led me on, completely broke my heart.
	Was a he was addicted to drugs.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	But pretty much was like messing around with me the whole time and then seeing his ex-girlfriend behind my back.
	So basically what happened was he fucked me over.
	Pretty gnarly.
	But I mean.
	You said that you were 19, you fell in love instantly, correct?
	Pretty much, I would say.
	You said you were 19 and newly sober.
	Yeah, so when I was 19, I stopped everything.
	I didn't drink.
	I didn't really do drugs, to be honest, but I stopped drinking completely.
	Didn't do drugs.
	And yeah, so I had met him pretty like fresh, sober.
	Yeah.
	So you had.
	But did you like, were you previously heavily drinking?
	I wouldn't say really heavily.
	It was just kind of something that needed to happen.
	Like I like, I don't think drinking really benefits.
	Like, it didn't really benefit my life.
	Yeah, and you said literally the moment you shook his hand and introduced yourself, you had insane butterflies.
	Yeah.
	I remember that.
	Okay.
	What was it about him that gave you the butterflies?
	He was very, very, very confident.
	Okay.
	And he was pretty short, too.
	He was about 5'6.
	How tall are you?
	5'6.
	Okay, so same height.
	Yeah, okay.
	But he's really confident.
	Was he good looking?
	A lot of tattoos, charisma?
	No tattoos.
	No tattoos.
	He might have had like one, but he, I wouldn't call him insanely good looking.
	Okay.
	It was more his personality.
	He was super confident.
	Yes.
	He had an amazing personality, but looks-wise, he was not average.
	Like average guy.
	Yeah, he was average.
	But you said you had insane butterflies.
	You had insane butterflies for him.
	Yes.
	This was when you were 19.
	And you're how old again now?
	20.
	25.
	25.
	Okay.
	Have you felt that level of butterflies for any other guy?
	No.
	Okay.
	You say here, what is the catch for this guy?
	The catch?
	What was he?
	He didn't let me back, so he did not.
	No, but there's more.
	I'm trying to remember.
	Oh, oh, I remember.
	He ended up in jail.
	And then I found out that he was in jail.
	So I went to go see him.
	Pretty much knowing that he wasn't as into me as I was into him.
	Here, let me, I'll try to help out here.
	But you said the whole time, the catch is this dude the whole time was a meth and heroin addict.
	Oh, yeah.
	And secretly seeing his ex-girlfriend the entire time.
	He was.
	Whoa.
	Okay.
	He was.
	Those are some pretty big red flags.
	And you said the big thing that attracted you to him was his confidence.
	Talking like the heroin meth confidence?
	It's the heroin sheep.
	The heroin meth charisma.
	You said we were never officially together, but we're doing all relationship things.
	Yes.
	So when you say doing all the relationship things, do you mean administering Narcan?
	I never had to do that for him.
	That's horrible.
	What is Narcan?
	I don't even know what that means.
	Someone's ODing on fentanyl.
	It's like what you administer to stay that back to the body.
	Oh, no.
	No, but so when you say doing all the relationships, what do you mean?
	Besides dates, sex, PDA, like.
	Okay.
	Situationship.
	How long were you dating him?
	So I would say there was like a six-month period.
	You kind of dropped off the face of the earth for a little bit, came back, and then started seeing him again.
	So total, I would say probably somewhere around a year or a year and a half.
	But there was like, see, I don't even know how accurate that is because there was like a break in between there.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, did you know that he was into drugs when you started dating?
	No, I had no clue.
	Wait, then why did you continue after Yin Yu?
	Because I was so stupid in love with him.
	Oh.
	It was, I was, I look back on it now and I like, I, I know it was stupid.
	I would never do that now.
	But in the time, I was super young.
	I'm 25 now, but I was super young and I just kind of let my feelings take me.
	And I think you probably are like, I know like women or men or whatever, you think that people are going to change.
	Like if you have a conversation with them, you think like, okay, now I've had this conversation with them.
	They understand.
	Now they'll change.
	Right?
	Wait, so okay, how long were you dating him?
	It was, I'd say somewhere around a year, but it was like split up.
	There were, it's on again, off again, kind of.
	It was split up, you said?
	Because he was in jail or?
	So I was seeing him and then he went to jail.
	Was still seeing him.
	So that was like a six-month period.
	Then he literally dropped off the face of the earth.
	Like, I just don't know where he went.
	Right.
	So that was about six months.
	And then he showed back up.
	And then I'd say probably like another six months.
	So it was like six months together.
	He ghosted you.
	I guess he went to jail.
	Yeah, ghosted you.
	Then dated another six months.
	Okay, were you seeing other guys during that break?
	like did you date other men i think i tried but i you were still caught up on feelings yeah Yeah, it took me a really long time to date.
	How early on into the relationship did you find out that he was a meth and heroin addict?
	Maybe.
	Can you move that mic over, please?
	No, no, no, not you.
	You move over the mic.
	Go ahead.
	I want to say a couple months.
	Okay.
	And that wasn't like a deal breaker red flag for you?
	I knew it was, but I didn't care.
	You didn't care?
	Why?
	Because you were in love with him?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you said in your pre-show notes you weren't aware of the drug use in the beginning and there was this one time on Halloween six years ago that you picked up his really sketchy friend in Laguna Nigel where we were driving and all of a sudden the friend who was in your back seat does what?
	So he unwraps a piece of foil and starts just randomly smoking.
	Can we say?
	Heroin?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I didn't know if there was a restriction.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	So you just started smoking heroin in the back of my car.
	And I didn't know what to do, so I didn't say anything.
	How early on in the relationship was that?
	This was a few months.
	This was before the ghost or whatever?
	Yeah, this was before that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And so you said you were in so much shock, you couldn't even say anything.
	Then your boyfriend's guy, whatever, grabs the drugs from him and smokes it too.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So it looks at me, disrespects me, and is like, I'm going to do it anyway.
	Can you get like, you know how you can hot box, can you get like a contact thing?
	Probably while you're driving, that's a yacht.
	Not even more.
	You were driving?
	You were driving.
	I was driving, yeah.
	For how long after the whole heroin in the car incident did you stay with him?
	I honestly don't think it was much longer after that.
	Well, no, but you said, okay, you said it was before he went, he ghosted you.
	So you said you were with him for six months, and then there was the break, and then you dated him for another six months after he got out of prison or jail or something?
	So it was so long ago that the timeline is a little...
	That's fine.
	So it was before the jail incident that the car heroin incident occurred.
	I actually don't, I don't remember if the car incident was before or after jail.
	Okay.
	But how long did you stay with him after that?
	After the heroin in the car incident, we'll call it.
	I want to say maybe another couple months.
	That wasn't like the immediate.
	No.
	Dude, because I gave him like the hey, that can never happen again, you know?
	Like I talked to him about it.
	I mean, that exact situation never happened again, you know, but then it was other things.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Also, it's like this guy was never, he really was never my boyfriend.
	It was more just like even worse.
	I know, right?
	I know, it's even worse.
	He wasn't even loyal to you.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	You said he ended up in jail and then eventually prison.
	The first time he ended up in jail, he dropped off the face of the earth.
	So I did some investigating and found out that he was indeed in jail, had to use the chick FBI skills.
	Anyway, I went to visit him.
	You went to visit him in jail.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you had your first ever jail visitation for a boyfriend that was it conjugal?
	No, I don't think you can do conjugals.
	What's that?
	It's like you can in person.
	You can like they give you a little house or something in the jail.
	That's only for married people.
	You gotta be married, yeah.
	Oh, but okay, so you visited him in jail.
	Since you visited him in jail, you noticed you indeed have a type crying-laughing emoji.
	Yeah.
	You broke it off eventually because he was a piece of shit.
	You said you've noticed you indeed have a type.
	What is your type?
	It's definitely what I said earlier.
	I definitely like, well, it now is different than it was, but I like the reformed bad boy compared to what was then just the bad boy.
	Yeah, because like the bad boy is just gonna get you in trouble and fuck you over.
	Right.
	You're not gonna end up with that person in the end, most likely.
	But I mean, honestly, like my type is someone who has been through things like that, but has overcome.
	So maybe not currently in.
	Like, it doesn't have to be drugs.
	It could just be like any hardship.
	Okay.
	So.
	So your type is past prison sentences?
	I do like prison dudes, not gonna lie.
	You do like prison.
	Why?
	I'm just curious, like, why?
	What about them is attractive?
	So I find, and I don't do this on purpose, but I find a lot of them are very organized, very kind to women.
	They're very chivalrous.
	They're clean as fuck.
	But I feel like there are non-prison guys that are just like that.
	Sorry, what'd you say?
	I feel like there's a lot of guys out there that didn't go to prison that's like clean and neat and treats women really nicely.
	There are.
	I don't know.
	I'm just telling you what happens, what I am attracted to.
	You have hibristophilia.
	What's that?
	That's the phenomenon of an individual being sexually aroused by a criminal offender.
	Oh, goodness.
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	All right.
	There you have it.
	Yeah.
	So hold on.
	Let me clear that.
	Chase, do you want to rejoin the?
	Yes.
	All right.
	You said you think modern dating is horrendous and difficult.
	Women don't respect themselves and men are unfaithful, or so it seems that way.
	So how do women not respect themselves?
	And how is modern day horrendous and difficult?
	Do you think it might be?
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	You're going to roast me, aren't you?
	Well, I imagine you pass up opportunities with good men because you're attracted to these guys who you said your type is men who have a history of incarceration.
	Not all of them.
	Just it seems to be.
	The case that most of the men you date were previously incarcerated?
	I've only really dated less than a handful of people.
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	The military is a lot like prison, except they volunteered to go and they are building a real career.
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	Don't date anyone below E6, though.
	Those guys are F-boys.
	Oh.
	It's honestly good advice.
	Those guys are F-boys.
	How many dudes have you dated that have been to prison?
	You said a handful.
	Well, no, I've only dated less than a handful of guys.
	Oh, okay.
	How many of them have been to prison?
	Is we're counting the first guy, then one, two, three, four, five.
	Two.
	Two.
	It's two.
	Well, but you said your type is.
	I've noticed I indeed have a type.
	It's because I look at guys like that, and I'm like, oh, he's hot.
	He looks like he went to jail.
	These girls and their bad boy tendencies.
	No, no, no, but don't love me, and I'm not about prison guys or anything.
	Well, you said you date bad boys a little bit, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, okay.
	So you say modern dating is horrendous and difficult.
	Don't you think you might be making it difficult for yourself by dating these types of men?
	Yeah.
	I think it's my own.
	But like choice.
	You have agency.
	You have choice.
	But I will tell you, my longest relationship, he went to prison.
	He was the most amazing guy.
	Wait.
	Like, ever.
	Like, I mean.
	He.
	Wait, is this the method?
	No, no.
	A different prison guy.
	Yeah, and we were together for like three and a half years.
	Yeah.
	What did he go to?
	What?
	Drugs?
	Was it drugs for him too?
	He had a history of drug use, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But he's like the most stand-up individual.
	Yeah, you can turn your life around, absolutely.
	Yeah, he was proof of that for sure.
	But like, it seems like specifically going after these men and disregarding other men who perhaps don't have that kind of history seems to be a bit self-sabotaging.
	I don't specifically go after them.
	I just find myself attracted to guys like that, but I would be open to way more than that because I know that there's other kinds of guys out there.
	I'm just saying that I see a dude.
	Is it the dangerous vibe?
	Like there's like a hint of danger, not necessarily towards you, but you know that they're like, they're bad men, like not necessarily morally bad men.
	Because I don't like them like when they're doing the bad stuff.
	I don't like that.
	I like their currently.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what's going to be formed version.
	Is it like kind of like the lawless cowboy vibe that you like?
	Like there's a little bit of danger there.
	What is it?
	Probably a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think that guy's advice to go for military men is honestly really good advice.
	I would agree my grandpa was a military guy and him and my grandma were married for over 60 years.
	Wow.
	Yeah, you should totally go for like military dudes, not under E6, like that guy said.
	Yeah.
	Don't make my mistakes.
	Yeah.
	Are you in general okay with drugs with guys?
	I don't like I don't like drugs or alcohol.
	You like tattoo guys?
	Um sure, but I also like not tattooed guys as well.
	When you see a guy with tattoos, does it like signal something to you?
	Like, yo, this guy might be a little dangerous?
	No, because you can also have certain kinds of tattoos that make you very not attractive.
	So just because you have tattoos doesn't mean like what kind of tattoos make a guy awkward.
	I'll tell you, and I'm so sorry if anybody has these tattoos, but a dude with a lion, roses, black and gray roses in a compass, or a or a wolf.
	Have you had like specific experiences with guys with those tattoos or do you just generally find specific tattoos unattractive?
	Well, I'm an artist, so I do these for a living.
	And so you see like a certain type of personality that comes in through the doors that gets these tattoos.
	It's the weirdest thing.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	What is that kind of personality?
	Well, I'll just call it not my thing.
	Not my thing.
	What is it?
	What is it?
	I don't even know how to explain it.
	I would just say like super fuck boyish, maybe.
	Oh, okay.
	Or maybe that and then a little bit weird.
	You're nodding your head in agreement.
	Have you experienced the same vibe with dudes with those tattoos?
	So the one that got the other girl pregnant and all that, he had a compass tattoo right here.
	And I'm not sure if he had a lion.
	I don't think he did.
	But I always thought it was the most attractive thing in the world.
	And then I saw his brother get it because I was close with his brother because his brother did nothing wrong.
	And then once his brother got it, he turned – it was just – I was like.
	Wait, so his brother got the tattoo and then turned bad?
	He turned into a different vibe for me.
	He always used to be that, like, innocent, like...
	He got a compass tattoo.
	He got the compass tattoo and then it all just went downhill for him.
	Interesting.
	What is it with?
	I will always love him because he was like a little brother to me, but like, no, not anymore.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think if I know anyone with compass tattoos.
	It's such a strange.
	It's weird.
	As soon as she said compass, I was like, ooh, no, no.
	You want to keep rolling, Brian?
	Yeah, hold on.
	I had to adjust the cameras there.
	Although, probably, yeah.
	You said that there's a very apparent hookup culture and absolute hoflation going on.
	So what is hoflation?
	I think where meaningless hookups and sex are glorified.
	And I just see it.
	I mean, like, that kind of stuff was going on when I was a teenager.
	So like 10 years ago-ish.
	It was still a thing.
	so it seems to be consistent, but I don't think, I mean, yeah, that's, that's deflation, just.
	Just glorified casual sex and hookups and whatnot.
	Okay.
	And then I think the last thing here, let's see.
	Oh, fuck it.
	Well, shit, we had so many notes.
	I think I scratched the...
	There's like so many points I could...
	I wrote down, but I don't know if we have time.
	Do we have any super chats?
	No super chats.
	I did want, it seemed like you pushed back quite a bit on the body count thing.
	So it sounded like, do you object to men caring about body count?
	And we'll go around the table on this.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think you have a right to care if you want to care.
	Sure.
	I mean, you can care if you want, but everybody has a past and people overcome their issues.
	Okay.
	So do you do you object to men having that preference, like low body count in women?
	I mean, everybody has their own preference.
	So I don't object.
	Okay.
	Well, do you think it's insecure or immature?
	Hold on.
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	Do you think it's insecure or immature to care about body count?
	I don't.
	I mean, I grew up in a very Christian household.
	So, I mean, unfortunately, I'm not a virgin, so I can't give that to my future husband, but I wouldn't be upset if a guy was.
	No, I do not object because that's what I also look for in a guy.
	I think guys have the right to care.
	Okay.
	So why do you object to it?
	To men caring about body count.
	Why?
	Do you think it's insecure?
	Shouldn't judge on the past?
	What do you, why?
	Yeah, I guess I think that's what I more so lean towards is that you're condemning someone for their past and you're not letting them grow or change or be who the person that they are now and to condemn someone for their past is just dumb.
	Like, like, you know, like, we don't, you just, I just think that's dumb.
	You think it's dumb?
	Yeah, to condemn someone for their past or for their past choices.
	Like, you should, like, people can change and people can be someone completely different than who they were.
	And you don't know if that was like a phase when they were like.
	Okay, so when it comes to this whole it's in the past argument, we shouldn't judge people on their past.
	Let's not act like when it comes to dating that men are these judgmental pricks and women are for benevolent forgivers of all.
	Women are extremely discerning when it comes to who they date.
	Women are pickier than men.
	Women are more selective than men.
	Women disqualify men for numerous reasons.
	So I guess why is it okay then for women to have preferences, standards, and boundaries, but men are not?
	I guess it depends on like what, like what kind of, like, I don't know.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, go ahead.
	Well, when we went around the table, did you say, remind me, did you say you would date a virgin?
	Yeah.
	You would?
	Did you say it wasn't?
	You said sex was teachable.
	So I would say that.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Okay, well, that's fair then.
	What about, I forgot about you guys, but okay, darn it.
	Well.
	I would argue, though, that a lot of women who would say, well, we shouldn't judge people on their past, a lot of women would also judge a man on his past lack of sexual experience.
	A lot of women, like we had multiple women here say they wouldn't date a virgin.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know their get down, but like for me, it's like even, I'm not going to talk about that, but like I've definitely taught people like gotten into a relationship with somebody and like they're not the best at sex.
	And then I teach them exactly what I like.
	They can learn.
	Girl number two, fuck boy is considered a slur as far as I'm aware as I'm not allowed to say it without it being hate speech even in an extremely right state, Utah.
	Are you homophobic?
	described tattoos of lions, roses, compass, wolves as being because it is.
	I said fuck boy.
	Did you say fuck boy or something else?
	I said fuck boy.
	That got to him.
	I think he must have fucked boy.
	Did you hear your mics by that as misable?
	Yeah, and is somebody tapping on the ground?
	Just please don't tap on our ground.
	We have the...
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	It's me.
	So you object, like if I preferred a girl who has a low body count, you object to that.
	It depends on what do you mean by low body count.
	Like if you're saying like three to that's ridiculous.
	Three to five?
	Three to five is ridiculous.
	Why is it ridiculous?
	Because how old is the girl that you're looking for?
	It doesn't matter.
	I mean, like, what world do you live in that you think that you're going to find like I hear from 30-year-old virgin women all the time?
	I don't believe them.
	You don't believe that a veteran-year-old could be a virgin.
	I mean, look, some women do lie about that, but there are older, like, older women who are virgins.
	There's women with religious convictions.
	There's women who just choose not to sleep around.
	Why have they not found if they have like these religious convictions or if they're so like such saints, why aren't they married?
	And like, you know what I mean?
	Like, how are you single?
	Well, so that's a different question.
	We've gone from whether or not the women exist to now, why are you still a virgin?
	Like, some people just choose not to have sex.
	They view it as a sacred thing and they don't want to sleep with people unless they're serious with them.
	I know, but why wouldn't they find that person?
	Then those people I get, like, I know a lot of people like that, like, because I have family down in Alabama, but they get, they get married when they're like 18.
	They get married when they're 20, and then like they're banging their husband.
	You know what I mean?
	It's not like they're waiting until they're 30 and they're like, I'm still a virgin.
	Like, come on, what 30-year-old virgin?
	That's like being a 40-year-old virgin.
	I mean, sometimes they're socially awkward women that haven't found the right guy.
	Sometimes they're women with very high standards that haven't found the right guy for any number of reasons.
	Like, it's somebody could ask the same question of you.
	Why haven't you found the right guy?
	You're 33 years old.
	I'm not a virgin.
	It's the same.
	I know, but it's the same thing.
	Like, why didn't those women find the right guy?
	I've wanted to find the right guy.
	Like, neither party did.
	But to say that it's ridiculous for a man to prefer that is ridiculous.
	I think three to five is ridiculous.
	Like, for me, like, it's just so ridiculous.
	I can guarantee that both of you guys have way more than three to five bodies.
	Keep it on the same street.
	No, way more.
	I guarantee you.
	Mine's not much higher.
	I wanted to ask you a question, if I may.
	What's up?
	Is it related?
	But go ahead.
	What's up?
	It's related to sex.
	Okay.
	So, like I said, I've been watching the podcast, right, for a while.
	So I was following your story when you were celibate for a very long time.
	And then you met a lady that took that period of celibacy away from you.
	And I wanted to ask you if you were still with her.
	It's private information.
	Okay.
	I'm just curious.
	Bringing it back to body count, though, so you think it's crazy to think like three to five.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it depends.
	How old are you talking here?
	I mean, what do you mean?
	How old am I?
	How, like, about what, what woman, what's her age?
	Why does it matter?
	Because if you're talking about an 18-year-old, you know what I mean?
	Okay, obviously someone who's a bit older, she's had more relationship experience, she might have a higher body count, right?
	Yeah, if you're talking about a 30-year-old, like three to five is just, I don't know.
	For me, it's just so ridiculous.
	Well, okay.
	Here, we'll go around the table.
	I want to go around the table on this.
	So I forgot everyone's individual answers on this.
	Well, okay.
	If body count doesn't matter, right?
	Body count does matter, shouldn't matter.
	It does to many men, yes.
	No, I'm not saying it doesn't matter because like if you have like hundreds, like, okay, come on, bro, like, or like 50, like there gets to a point where it's a little excessive, right?
	But three to five, like no, well, I don't think three, I didn't say three to five is high.
	I didn't say three to five is high, but you said like three to five, you think that's insane for a girl to have a three to five body count.
	Yeah, someone said that.
	Am I pulling that out of air?
	I think what?
	Am I pulling out of that thin air?
	I thought one of you guys said three to five.
	Is it desirable?
	No, three to five was like too much.
	Oh.
	Or maybe I see what you're saying.
	I see what you're saying.
	Maybe I just pulled that.
	I don't know.
	I see what you're saying.
	Okay.
	I mean, there are, I will say, there are many men out there who, you know, it's a saying on the internet all the time, no hymen, no diamond.
	Like, there are many men out there who prefer virgins.
	Now, obviously, that's hard to find, particularly at 30 years old, but like many men out there do not want to be with a woman who slept with a bunch of guys.
	Where are they from?
	Like.
	These are just normal dudes throughout all of America and the Western world.
	Abdul?
	Yeah.
	Get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	You say where are they from, but you have to realize this has been the preference of men throughout all of human history.
	I guess, I guess, I think that...
	Now, not all men, I will add.
	Not all men.
	Some men don't really care that much.
	I would say a majority of men don't care.
	I would say the majority of men that I know absolutely do care.
	Well, that's a different community.
	It's not, I mean, yeah, I'm not friends with like a bunch of leftists, for example, but like the majority of dudes I know who even aren't particularly political, like they, yes, across the board, generally speaking, prefer women with lower body counts.
	Yeah, and I mean, that's fine.
	I mean, like, I don't have like an astronomically high body count.
	It's just like I, I don't like, I feel like that's such an ongoing argument with men and like body counts.
	And I think it just like triggers me because it goes back to like what I was talking about before about just like that standard.
	Grid one motorsports donated $100.
	Body count matters.
	My body count is high.
	My wife's was low.
	I was 34 when we met and she was 23.
	I do not feel like I am a particularly uncommon.
	My body count did not matter to her, although she has over the years teased me about it while I did care.
	There we go.
	So thank you, Grid 1.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, thank you very much because you just led me right into what I was going to say is that it, like, it's such a double standard where it's like men, and I don't like that.
	And I think it like, it just triggers me because like that just gets under my skin.
	It's like, who the F are you to tell me or judge me on my body count when your body count is probably 10 times higher than mine?
	Like who, who the hell?
	It's just like, it just bugs me and triggers me because it's like, it's just crazy to me.
	Like, how, how do you think you're in any position to judge when you're not you and not you personally, I just mean in general.
	I think I personally find it ridiculous when dudes that have slept with hundreds of women like judge women super harshly over it.
	But also at the same time, you know, one of the things that we've talked about on the show many times is, yes, there's a double standard, but it exists for a reason.
	And that reason is, look, I mean, you could go out tonight and find a hundred dudes that would want to sleep with you.
	You're a pretty woman, got good energy.
	Guarantee you could get laid by 100 different guys throughout the city.
	For guys, it's a totally different story.
	It's a totally different story.
	I'm like, I'm a decently good looking guy compared to the average.
	I don't think I'm like an ultra giga chad, but like even for a guy like me, like it's the number of women that I could sleep with compared to the number of men that you could sleep with, it's a huge differential.
	And the reason why there is a double standard is because if a woman wants to rack up a very high body count, like if a woman wants to sleep with 100 guys, all she has to do is open her legs.
	If a guy wants to sleep with 100 women, he has to become an absolute stud in order to do so.
	Now, that doesn't mean that it's okay for him to do so.
	I don't, I totally disagree with men sleeping with tons of women.
	I think it's bad for society.
	I also think it's bad for society for women to sleep with a lot of men.
	But the reason why the double standard exists is because it's very easy for women to get sex.
	It's much more difficult for men to get sex.
	And it's, I said earlier in the show that one of the signs of a high-value woman is a woman who can say no, right?
	If a woman can say no to men, that shows that she can express discretion.
	She has self-control.
	She has self-discipline.
	And those are desirable traits in a mate, right?
	A lot of women, you know, women like guys that are desired by many other women, you know, like, and one of the reasons why it's judged less harshly towards men is because if a woman, if a guy has a ton of options and he's slept with a lot of women and he's like an absolute stud and he decides that he likes you, like women will often overlook it because they're like, wow, this guy could have like any woman he wants and he's choosing me.
	And so it gets judged less harshly, right?
	But guys look at it differently because it's like, well, you could sleep with like any man on the planet if you wanted to.
	And if you have done so, it's like, that's not good.
	But if you have chosen not to, especially from like a partnership and marriage perspective, if a woman is able to say no, that's a green flag, right?
	If a woman can't say no or she won't say no, then it's a red flag because it's like we were talking about earlier in the show, it's like you have to ensure paternity.
	Like I as a guy, there's like biological mechanisms in my mind where I'm like, okay, I want to make sure that you're going to be saying no to other guys in marriage.
	Or, you know, if a woman has a high body count, it begs the question, are you the type of person who, you know, if a guy gives you the feels, are you just going to sleep with him right off the bat?
	Could I trust that you wouldn't cheat on me in marriage?
	Like that's, it's like, I don't even think people really consciously think about it, but that's kind of what's driving the thought process.
	And it's, you know, if a woman has slept with like 150 guys or something like that, it's like, whoa, red flag, that's dangerous.
	She might sleep around while we're married, so on and so forth.
	Like undesirable in that sense.
	Does that make sense?
	Okay.
	So that's why there's a double standard there.
	Now, I'm not saying that like, again, it's good for men to sleep with a lot of women.
	I don't think it is.
	I don't think it's good for either sex to have a lot of partners.
	Yeah.
	But that's why the double standard exists.
	Yeah, I just feel like it's one of those things that men is like, like men just constantly, like, that's like their modest Hikima donated $101.
	Angry feminist angrier because biology.
	Do I agree with her?
	Kinder, but also like.
	Read a biology book about animals, not humans.
	And then read a book about human animals.
	Knowledge is wild.
	Men hit prime mid to late 30.
	Women 20 to 25.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Thank you for those folks.
	Go ahead.
	Do you want to respond?
	I forgot what I was going to say.
	Well, I mean, just to address the double standard thing.
	So I think it would be a double standard if, for example, I didn't think it was okay for women to care about body count.
	I absolutely think if a woman doesn't want to date a guy with a high body count, that's totally fine.
	I think that's where the double standard is.
	Now, I see what you're saying about this double standard where men are to some degree revered if they can sleep with a lot of women and women are shamed for it.
	Chase already kind of pretty much addressed that.
	I mean, I would say that really it comes down to most women can sleep with most men.
	Most men cannot sleep with most women.
	Ergo, it's to some degree, like Chase said, a guy has to bring something to the table.
	He has to be impressive in some way.
	He has to be a stud in order to sleep with a ton of, like a ton of women.
	Whereas the reverse, it's very easy for women.
	Any girl here at this table could be a slut if she wanted to.
	You could just Like we've had, like any woman could be like an insane sex addict, but like we had a show with a girl who she was a sex addict.
	She slept with five guys in a day.
	In order for a guy to sleep with five women in a day, he has to be like so insanely fucking attractive.
	These were new guys, by the way, and she's doing this every single night for like weeks on end was my understanding.
	You need to be like Drake.
	You need to be the top, top, top tier professional athlete.
	You need to be a famous musician, famous actor.
	If you want to sleep with that many women, that's the difference.
	So it's not respected.
	To add to what Chase is saying, when I was young, I slept around because I could but chose women that I knew were not wife potential.
	If they were going to give me sex, I was certainly not going to turn it down.
	However, they had zero relationship potential.
	Yep, there you have it.
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	No, go ahead.
	So you're trying to tell me that your guys' inboxes are your DMs are not flooded with messages.
	You couldn't go out and bang 50 chicks tonight if you wanted to.
	No.
	No.
	I mean, I got a lot of girls.
	Chase is a chat.
	Chase has a lot of DMs.
	Huh?
	I'm sure you both do from like, you know.
	I have, but look, we're on a freaking super viral dating podcast.
	We're extreme outliers in the population.
	Before doing this, no, I did not have a bunch of women that were in my DMs all the time.
	You know, like now, yes, there's a decent amount of chicks in my DMs.
	I won't lie.
	But the point, that's not like an own, though.
	That's not an own because like we can take an average woman who's 19 years old, who has a thousand followers on Instagram, who goes to college, she's getting the equivalent amount of sexual attention or, well, she's getting DMs that is reserved for guys with like substantial social media followings.
	Like average 19-year-old dudes in college are not getting DM'd by girls getting offers to be flown out and getting sugar mama offers.
	That doesn't exist.
	It's actually crazy.
	Like there's 19-year-old girls from here in the area that have come on the show and they've got like 5,000, 10,000 followers on Instagram getting DMs from like football players and rappers and like all this kind of stuff.
	And ultimately what it comes down to in my opinion is like it's if like Brian was saying, if you guys want to sleep with a ton of men, that's very easy to do so.
	And I think I think where the judgment comes from is it's like, if a woman, you know, you've been with guys that like you've you've liked and you've been attracted to and so on and so forth.
	And some of those guys have been like bad choices for you, you know?
	And the thing, the thing that's going to really impress a man who cares about your past is if he's going to see, okay, you were in positions of temptation and you chose to exercise self-control and you knew your value and your worth and you were not going to give yourself to men who didn't deserve you, right?
	Because a lot of women, one of the things that I've noticed about women and kind of female psychology is a lot of women, you know, the body count thing is interesting because there's women out there who just like they're horny and they want to have sex.
	Like I met a ton of girls like that here in Isla Vista when I was in college.
	Like there were so many girls in my dorm complex.
	They just, they wanted to go get laid.
	Did you go to UCS3?
	No, I went to a city college.
	But I lived at one of the dorms here in Isla Vista.
	And there were all these girls there that just like, you know, they just wanted to go get laid, you know?
	Sometimes, or oftentimes, I think women will give sex in order to get love.
	And they will give, so you guys agree with that.
	A lot of times, given women will give sex to men who do not deserve them or their sex, right?
	Like women will give themselves to men who are not good men.
	They don't deserve those women, but women crave love, and so they'll give their bodies to bad men and then they'll get burned.
	And oftentimes, this will result in like an unhealthy pattern where it'll repeat over and over and over again.
	And I think a lot of women will rack up higher body counts because of this pattern, right?
	Which is why I've suggested, hey, like, you know, filter the bad guys by not having sex with them right off the bat.
	You'll be able to tell who actually likes you for you.
	And part of the reason why that judgment is there and why it's a red flag for men is because it's, I mean, speaking from personal experience, it's like if a woman has a high body count, it's like, are you able to exercise self-control?
	It's easy for you to have sex.
	Or are you able to turn things down even if you feel an emotional pull?
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, do you think if a girl has a high body count that she lacks that control too?
	I think I don't necessarily think like it's a guarantee that she lacks that control, but I think it begs the question, does she have it?
	You know, because if a woman's a virgin, let's say there's a really attractive woman and she's a virgin, right?
	You know that woman has self-control.
	You know damn well that that woman is like, there's probably a bunch of guys, let's say a girl's super hot and she's a virgin, you know there's a bunch of guys throwing themselves at her and she's shooting them down.
	You know that woman has self-control.
	You don't necessarily know that a woman doesn't have self-control if she has a high body count, but it is a good guarantee that she doesn't have good judgment when it comes to guys.
	And it begs the question, is she a slave to her emotions or can she govern her actions?
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	And it goes back to the paternity thing that Brian was talking about earlier.
	We have a biological need and a biological drive to ensure our paternity.
	Because like if I marry a woman and I sleep with her, but she also sleeps with another man and she cheats on me and then he gets her pregnant, like I would be screwed raising that guy's kid if I didn't know that it wasn't my own, right?
	We want to avoid that.
	Yeah.
	I feel like if I was a man, I would get a DNA test no matter what.
	Like I'm getting a DNA test.
	You know what I mean?
	Like that would be like my first thing as a man.
	Like if a girl was like, I'm pregnant, I'd be like, okay, DNA test, and then we'll go from there.
	Yeah, I think if you trust a woman and her character, it's not necessary.
	Like I don't even want to be with a woman where that would be a question in my mind.
	Yeah, no, definitely.
	Yeah.
	And I think, yeah, and I think like body count is just frustrating for me because it's like, I'm literally like so loyal.
	Like if I'm in a relationship with you, I'm like the most loyal person ever.
	And then it's like, I don't know.
	Well, and I think on top of that too, part of the reason why it's probably frustrating for you is because you're like, okay, I can't go back in time and change my mistakes.
	Like what's done is done.
	I think all you can do moving forward is change your future actions.
	Yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Which is why I've been like harping so much like, yo, filter guys better.
	Yeah.
	You know, filter guys better.
	Because what you don't want is to get into a relationship with the wrong kind of guy and then have him waste half your 30s and then you're screwed at the end of your 30s.
	What'd you say?
	I said already did that.
	Yeah.
	Like you don't have time to waste, you know?
	Yeah.
	I think all you can do is just like, I would recommend change your behaviors, start filtering guys better and just pray to God for the man that He created for you.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	So the question, which now must be arrhythmatic.
	If body count matters, what is your body count?
	Can I ask you what you think a high body count is?
	Just answer the question.
	Oh, no.
	Just answer that.
	15.
	Okay.
	Do not multiply that by three.
	Multiplied by three.
	She watches the show.
	She watches the show.
	What about you?
	I am not going to disclose my body count.
	No range.
	I'm not giving a range.
	What the heck?
	I didn't know it.
	Do it.
	I didn't know there was an option.
	Do it.
	Don't let your dreams be dreams.
	Yesterday, you said tomorrow.
	So just do it.
	Make your dreams come true!
	Just do it!
	Has Shia motivated you?
	No, I love Shaya.
	I don't know.
	Probably like 15.
	15?
	Okay.
	Zero.
	I don't want to say because it's kind of embarrassing.
	Why is it embarrassing?
	Because it's too low or too high?
	Into the mic?
	No, because I don't mind.
	Don't feel comfortable saying.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	I did not know there was an option to opt out.
	Oh!
	Oh, shit.
	I know, and no one ever opts out.
	Look, I can't force somebody to.
	You don't feel comfortable to say anything.
	You're not going to be afraid of me.
	You'll be like, why did you come on a dating show if you didn't want to say why count?
	I've never done that.
	Never done that.
	That's a different one.
	I've never said that.
	These girls did their research, apparently.
	She did.
	I didn't.
	Sorry.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	No, that's not true.
	Wait, you said 15?
	I said five.
	No, you didn't.
	Five times bigger is 15, so five.
	Oh, God.
	Help us.
	And you said 15?
	Ish.
	Oh, ish again.
	Okay.
	The flip side.
	I just didn't want to put the ish there, but it's 15 to 20.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to explain.
	Do you have any brothers?
	I am actually an only child.
	Only child.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	From a single mom.
	I was screwed from the beginning.
	It's fine.
	Wait, 15 to 20?
	So what is it?
	Is it 15?
	Is it 20?
	Yeah.
	Oh, like, you're just not quite sure.
	I'm not going to disclose the reasonings why.
	What the heck?
	To be honest with you, if 15 is true, it's not like astronomically high.
	I know, that's what I was saying before.
	I was like, it's not, my number is not like an ashes.
	There's a lot of guys that wouldn't be like, oh, my God, you're ruined for life.
	Now, if you had said like 70 or 80.
	That's crazy.
	Who's walking around with 70 bodies?
	I should have totally just been dramatic and midline.
	200.
	There are people walking around here.
	Are you in the 70s range, Brian?
	I do not disclose this.
	Oh, wait, so you make us disclose?
	That's the name of the game.
	That's not how that works.
	That's not how that works.
	Well, I guess it is how it works.
	All right, we have.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	I can't.
	Guarantee the morbidly obese woman's DMs are just as full as Chase's DMs.
	Let that sink in, women.
	Look at what he looks like.
	Like, look at you.
	You are so ugly.
	Like, who are you going to fucking anyone?
	Look at your face.
	Okay, first off, I love how everybody's taking offense to this but me.
	I know damn well, no one in your life.
	I really don't.
	I don't care, honestly.
	Travolo, if you want to fire back, I'm going to wrap up the show here pretty soon.
	Curtis Leone, Amazon Girl x86 Assembly, it allows you to do any programming functionality.
	Prison girl Brian is a hypothetical prison inmate, so huh?
	Chase, I'm not a religious person, but a lot of the values you present are spot on with any man great values.
	Much love, brother.
	Thanks for super cheap.
	Curtis, appreciate it.
	Can I ask you guys a question?
	Go ahead.
	What's up?
	How high is too high for you guys?
	Like, what would you count?
	Just give me your answer.
	It's hard.
	I mean, I'm a just man.
	I believe in redemption.
	Oh, God, that's so.
	However, you know, look.
	Modest Hikima donated $101.
	DNA test, no matter what is seen as misogynistic when asked for by the father.
	Why girl number one?
	Did she say misogynistic?
	Also, mad respect for sharing body counts.
	Not very high, all things considered.
	Jackie, please know you can move from W and work remote 100% for higher dollar.
	Word.
	Thank you.
	Wait, did you say it was misogynistic?
	I don't think DNA test, no matter what, is going to look as misogynistic if you ask that.
	I feel like a lot of women, if you ask them right off the bat to just do a DNA test, particularly if you're married, do them.
	Yeah, I take extreme offense to it.
	That's like a fight waiting to happen.
	That's like a huge fight.
	That's like you're sleeping on the couch or actually just sleep in your car.
	Like if you trust your woman and she trusts you and you're like, yo, I need you to do a DNA test, she's going to be like, what?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it better be a joke.
	I mean, if I was, but Nickelodeon says, the question was total body count, not in one day.
	Platoon Booper.
	Also, I was trying to be nice, not calling her name, but please ask Kim Chunk Eel to answer my nationalism question.
	What was his question?
	Did your boyfriend radifize you on nationalism?
	No, he's a nationalist.
	He's like a Christian nationalist.
	Oh, based.
	Yeah, he's like American first.
	Are you the girl with the Griper boyfriend?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, nice.
	Wait, sorry.
	So, what were you saying?
	You were going to ask us a question, but then the TTS came in.
	Oh, what's too high of a body count?
	Yeah.
	The lower, the better.
	Okay, which is basically the best.
	That's ballpark it.
	The lower, the better.
	Shout out to my Christian nationalist.
	Let's go.
	I mean, double-digit, I start doing an eyebrow raise once it gets into double-digit territory.
	Same.
	Major eyebrow raise, more than 20.
	Major eyebrow raise, like more than 30.
	That's, I mean, again, though, very strong preference for like low, low, low body count, as low as possible.
	Ryan, what is your body count?
	Not revealing that.
	He's not going to.
	Not revealing that.
	Jeez, what is your body count?
	I've said in the past, it's eight.
	Really?
	You have said it in the past, you're right.
	Yeah.
	You watched the last episode.
	I don't reveal.
	I don't reveal.
	I don't watch the last episode.
	Oh, shit.
	Or did I?
	We're watching my way home.
	So I'll give you the answer that I've given in the past.
	I think the first episode I ever did, some girl was like, I said my limit is my own body count.
	Oh, okay.
	And then I said that I would prefer a virgin.
	And then some girl that was on the panel was like, okay, but what if you met like a really amazing girl, but hers was higher than you?
	And I told her she'd have to be really amazing.
	That's my answer.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	That's fair.
	It's fair.
	All right, guys, we're going to wrap up.
	Any final thoughts before I wrap up from anybody?
	Speak now forever, hold your hand.
	No, thank you for having me.
	Thank you for having us.
	This is really fun.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	We'll do Twitch really quick.
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	Appreciate it.
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	Guys, last call.
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	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
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	I know some of you sent in some chats.
	Those girls left, and some of them were just at them.
	We had to pause some of them, and your chat was related to a conversation that had already passed.
	The frequency was just really high.
	So for future shows, might think about potentially I'll have to figure out a way to address it.
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	Shout out to the boys.
	Thank you guys.
	Thank you, boys.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel, those of you who made it to the end, I suppose.
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	We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Got a very good panel for Tuesday.
	Be sure to tune in.
	And man, I had so many other things I wanted to talk about, but unfortunately, we're out of time.
	So we'll see you next time, guys.
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	Good night.
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