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Oct. 25, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dave Rubin, Timcast Mary vs. Kicked Off Erin! (HEADACHE) | Dating Talk #112

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So without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
Go ahead.
My name is Lexi.
I'm 22 years old, and I'm a full-time sex worker.
Okay.
You said 22, right?
I mean 23.
My birthday was in September.
Okay, 23.
Full-time S-worker.
And when you say that, what does that entail?
I do OnlyFans, I dance at strip clubs, and I'm also a courtesan.
Courtesan.
There you go.
You've been in the middle of the morning.
I remember.
I remembered.
You did your research.
Yeah, I committed it to me.
All right, awesome.
Yeah.
So I'm a legal courtesan, which is a legal escort in Nevada, Carson City, Nevada, at the Bunny Ranch.
The Bunny Ranch.
And wasn't there one of them burned down, right?
One of the ranches.
I don't know if it was the Bunny Ranch or a different one.
Kit Kat Kat.
The Kit Kat.
Just like a couple.
Did they get sued by who owns Kit Kat?
I think it's Madame Suzette.
Madame Suzette, but it burned down.
It was.
No, no, I mean the confectionery.
Hershey?
Oh, I think it's Hershey.
I think Hershey Hershey.
That's like a trademark.
That could be a trademark thing.
Oh, man.
I didn't even think about that.
I think that's what happened.
They got mad.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi.
My name's Erin.
Welcome back.
Thank you, Brian.
Also known as Straighterade Online.
I'm 24 and my current job is just gig stuff.
And I'm going to move to Miami soon.
And then once I do that, I'm hopefully going to start streaming full-time.
Okay.
Where did the moniker straighter aid?
What's the origin story there?
When I was in seventh grade, everyone thinks I did it.
It's a play on Gatorade.
Well, yeah.
Yes.
Get that part, but I'm not explaining that part.
But because I've been straight edge since I was 16.
So it's supposed to be in reference to that, and I'll just play on that.
But yeah.
Are you still straight edge?
Okay.
So what does it mean to be straight edge?
To be straight edge.
Because you don't drink, you don't have to do it.
No drinking, no smoking.
I don't drink caffeine either.
I'm also vegan, so.
Vegan?
Since I was 16, also.
Okay, that's the whole package.
All right, what about you?
I'm Lauren Roses.
I'm a musician.
I'm 31, and I work at the Bunny Ranch Brothel in Nevada, and I also work for a PR company, too.
Okay.
How long have you been working as an escort courtesan?
I would say at Bunny Ranch since 2018.
Okay.
Yeah.
Got it.
All right.
And you also, this is your second time on the show.
You're also a shaman.
I'm, oh, I got a show.
Okay, so I was.
You said you took a shaman class.
I did.
I did.
So I did a sexual shaman retreat.
You're a sex shaman.
I wish.
You wish.
You're not there yet.
You're an apprentice sex shaman?
I'm trying.
Junior sex shaman.
I'm into sacred sexuality, and I'm very into Tantra.
Okay.
And I'm going to Florida in February, and there's a Tantra practitioner I'm going to be working with for another retreat, and I'm super excited.
Have you played World of Warcraft at all?
I never played it, but I've heard of it.
Because like shaman, like it's a class, you know?
So like, did you play Horde or Alliance?
Oh, Horde?
Or are we talking vanilla, so it was just horde?
So like orc, troll or tourin?
When everything horde, I think of split and he does a horde.
Like what was your build?
Like were you resto, enhancement, elemental?
Like what was your spec?
Oh man.
I didn't for rating.
Like typically rating in classic, like you're only going to be playing resto, but like some guilds that are a bit more relaxed, they might allow like an elemental or enhancement shaman.
Elementor shaman sounds really cool.
Okay, got it.
All right.
What about you?
My name's Angie.
I'm 19 and I work at the movies and I have a clothing brand.
Got it.
Tell us your clothing is.
I have like stacked sweatpants with like rhinestone as you could see.
Okay.
Yeah.
I just started like six months ago.
Are you also a student too or just working right now?
I actually moved here to be a student and then I dropped out.
Why did you?
You were going to Santa Barbara City College?
No, yeah.
I was going to city college and it was just too much to like make enough to like live and go to school, you know?
So it was just too much to go to school and make a living.
So I just choose to like work full-time.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
My name is Tracy, but I go by Lexi.
I work at UPS and I'm a full-time poker player.
Age?
23.
23.
Okay, welcome.
What about you?
Hi, my name's Fallon.
I'm 18 and I'm a second year at UCSB.
What are you studying at UCSB?
Sociology.
Sociology.
Okay, all right.
All right.
My name is Mary Morgan.
I am a commentator at Timcast Media.
I'm on a show called Pop Culture Crisis, and I'm 23 years old.
My name is Abigail.
I'm 20 years old, and I'm a nanny and also a boys' gymnastics coach.
All right, welcome.
Thank you.
I'm Dave Rubin.
I'm 47 years old, which feels really old suddenly at this table.
And I host the Rubin Report, and I've written a couple books, and I live in the free state of Florida, and I've returned.
I've returned to California.
Did you previously, you previously lived in California?
I lived in LA for eight years, got the hell out of here during COVID.
I've been very tempted to get out of California.
Maybe Florida, maybe Las Vegas, no income tax, you know.
You should only move to Florida if you want to live a happy life and save a lot of money and live freely.
What precipitated you to move?
Oh, it was every COVID, taxes, just the crime, the drugs, the homeless, just the whole thing.
I got audited by the state three days after the recall, which I campaigned for.
That'll do it.
That'll do it.
Okay.
Well, beaten cheeks donated $99.
One of my favorite conservative voices, Dave Rubin, please educate these girls on how bad the degeneracy is in the world to these lips.
Don't hold back your punches like on other platforms.
Also, how are these brokeies like Erin moving to Miami?
Destiny's would you like to comment on that, Erin?
No, I wish Destiny or somebody else was financing my move, but no, I'm doing that myself.
He's not like helping you out like sugar daddying.
No.
Okay.
He should cut me a check.
I've been on his stream enough.
Like one of his most viewed videos is like us debating on at UT.
Oh, the Change My Mind segment?
Yeah, The Change My Mind segment.
Okay, got it.
What was the topic on that?
It was.
Wokeness has gone too far.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
And then also, we have Josie Ann here.
You may recognize her from previous appearances.
She's also in the chat a lot.
She's going to be joining the panel a little bit later on, probably in about two hours.
We're doing a little switch out because we have Dave will be here for about two hours.
So we have him for two hours.
Then Josie will come on in.
So, all right.
We're going to go around the table once more.
So please tell us your relationship status.
So are you, you know, are you single?
Are you in a relationship?
Are you polyamorous, situationship, talking stage, polycule, sex cult, harem?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's your current relationship, or excuse me, your longest relationship?
Go ahead.
I'm currently single.
I do not wish to be in a relationship anytime soon.
My longest relationship has been four years in the past.
Okay.
And I've been single for about two and a half years.
All right.
You said you do not wish to be in a relationship.
Is that?
Correct.
Why is that?
Because I'm focusing on my career right now.
So I don't see a future in me being in a relationship with anybody right now.
Focusing on your career?
Yes.
Okay.
So you're focusing on your work?
Yes.
How long do you want to be involved, do you think, in the industry?
So I'm 23 right now.
I have a plan to make my money and save my money and then invest.
And I'm going to be starting to go to school soon.
Sure.
Yeah.
Right now, I'm like happy with what I'm doing with my life.
So I don't know when I will be wanting to ever get into a relationship right now.
You know what I mean?
So.
What about you?
I am in a relationship of three months now.
Whoa.
Practically.
I know.
You to change.
Wow.
Okay.
Because last time you were on, you were single, if I recall.
Yep.
Never been in a relationship.
Never been on a date.
Now I've done both.
So.
I am surprised.
What?
Congratulations.
Such a catch.
Wow, Brian.
Damn.
How did you guys meet?
How did you guys meet?
From the show?
Like, he DM'd you?
He's like, oh my God, I saw you on whatever.
I love you.
No, he's not Redfield.
So he didn't watch whatever.
He could have been hate watching.
No, he wouldn't waste his time like that.
But we did meet because he wouldn't waste his time hate watching.
That's what I mean.
Do you think he's watching right now?
I know he's watching right now.
I was messaging him right before.
Oh, so he would waste his time hate watching.
But he's not hate watching.
He's watching for me.
If I weren't on the show, he would not watch.
Okay, go on.
So how did you guys meet?
We met through me just streaming.
He's actually in Destiny's community.
Hit me up.
Is he also a streamer?
Yeah.
Would I know his name?
Is he YouTube?
YouTube now?
Small.
Twitch.
Twitch.
His name is.
Yeah, Twitch Kick.
He's Chatterbait.
No, not yet.
No OnlyFans yet either.
Yes, what's next?
His name is Lichen Cooks, and he does gaming, and he's going to start doing cooking content.
It's Cook Cat Cat.
Lichen?
Lichen?
Cooks.
Okay.
All right.
Congrats.
Thank you.
We're really happy.
Congratulations.
What about you?
So I guess my longest situationship, I will say, was five years.
And that was pretty interesting.
I was only like 18 at the time.
But then I think my longest relationship, like two-ish, almost three.
I'm single now.
And if I was in a relationship, I would need it open on the guy's end.
Because now I kind of have a new situation.
And I feel comfortable if they have someone else there if things get too crazy with me.
Yeah.
Well, what's your current relationship status?
Single.
Single?
Okay.
And how long have you been single?
I'll probably say like since I started back at the ranch.
That was 2000.
I don't know if it was 2021 or 20.
Right after COVID.
So I said 2021.
2021.
Right after COVID.
So like two or three years.
Yeah.
Single.
Okay.
Got it.
All right.
What about you?
I'm in my first relationship.
And we lived together and we've been together for like three months.
Okay.
Yeah.
Three months.
You guys live together already.
We moved in like a week after we met because he didn't have a place to stay.
Oh, he moved in with you.
And I just like.
And it's like, it's like college life, you know?
So we met and then he kind of just stayed with me and I was like, don't leave.
And then he just, now, yeah, now we all live together.
Wait, are you guys housemates or roommates?
Househouse.
So did you have a roommate?
Yeah.
I moved like three different places and he likes just went with me to each one.
But now he helps pay.
Okay.
So it's you, your boyfriend, you.
And my boyfriend.
And your boyfriend.
Okay.
Got it.
Okay.
What about you?
I am newly single.
So I just got out of.
Who's newly single?
Yeah, I just got on my relationship of like one year and a half.
Who broke up with who?
It was mutual.
I meant like because the communication and us not talking was a very tough time for us and he's a lot older.
So we just decided to part ways.
How much older is he?
He's 32.
32.
Got it.
Okay, and you're 23.
Got it.
And so it was a mutual breakup.
You guys work together for how long again?
A year and a half.
A year and a half.
By the way, we did meet at a club, so I would just suggest, you know, slow pace now.
Wait, what's the thing about the club?
You know how she said, like, they just met?
Oh, sorry, hold on, just...
Beaten Cheeks donated $99.
Erin, since you seem to like a feminized boy, you and Dave have something in common, liking the same sex, except Dave is alpha type, unlike the boy you have.
How cute.
It is women like the first three why Dave quit on women in the world.
Dave, did you ever date women?
I did.
Oh.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Why did you quit women?
I retired.
You retired again.
Yeah, I got out of the grind.
You know, who needs to?
Sure.
Do you have a response, Erin, to beaten cheeks?
No.
Money well spent telling me that my boyfriend's feminized.
Is he feminized?
Would you consider your boyfriend feminized?
I don't know who he is, so.
No, he's a veteran.
A vet.
You at Marine Corps?
Yeah, he's in the Marines.
Okay, cool.
So?
I mean, there are feminine dudes in the Marine Corps, but he wasn't one of them.
Okay.
Wait, does Beaton Cheeks know your boyfriend?
Because Beaton Cheeks was, oh, Beaten Cheeks was in the Air Force.
Who is this?
Is this?
Beaten Cheeks.
You do not know who Beaton Cheeks is.
No.
Wow.
Okay.
You can inform me?
Who is it?
Is it like a ship hosting?
He's a very notable person on the internet.
He's kind of famous.
Beaten Cheeks.
Beaten Cheeks.
He can't be that famous.
Right.
Gotcha.
I think we left off with you.
Yeah.
The thing about the club.
She said that, you know, you just met your significant other and you guys just moved in right away.
That's very fast.
I did that with also my significant other.
We had met at the club and then like a week later we were with each other every single day and then I moved in with him fairly quick.
So that's probably like how quickly did you move in with your now ex-boyfriend?
Well we met at the club and then he just started staying at my house like every single day.
Me too.
Yeah.
Yeah, right?
And then sometimes I be like that.
So do you find that a little bit off-putting?
I mean, Alaska is really small.
So everybody knows everybody.
Yeah, I'm from Alaska, Anchorage, and shout out to my hometown, you know?
But everybody knows everybody.
And so we kind of just met outside the club, you know, took him home that night.
And then we were with each other every single day for like a year and a half.
And I moved in with him like a month later.
That gives me the ick.
Why do you say that?
Why is that?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
I just feel like that's too soon.
Yeah, no, that's no saying.
Like that situation, guys wanting to like move in right away.
And you know what I mean?
Was he homeless?
Do you like it?
Like, no, He has his own house.
Like, he has a three-story house.
Oh, sorry.
Hold on.
Grid one.
Yo, grid one, thank you, man.
$99.
At least Dave went out on top.
Someone paid $100 for that.
Welcome to the whatever podcast.
So, grid one.
What's my cut on that?
Grid one.
Thank you, man.
So, did he just get out of prison?
No, no.
We just met at a club and then...
He has a three-story house, but he moved in with you?
No, I moved in with him.
I moved in.
Oh, you moved in with him for some reason.
Yeah, I got rid of my lease.
Did anybody else hear he moved in with you?
Sorry.
No, I'm not sure.
That's what I thought.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I think as you mentioned, you said he came and then he never left your place.
Yeah, like, so the night that we met, he was at my house the whole week.
So I kind of did think that he was like, had nowhere to go, you know?
And then next thing later, like, I pulled up to his house.
I'm like, holy cow.
Like, he's got his shit together, you know?
I'm a little out of the game.
Are most people just dating because they're looking for housing now?
That's basically what's going on.
Not a bad idea.
You know, so it was just like, I didn't just see his house and was like, oh, I want to move in.
It was like, I already had my own place, and he asked me, hey, do you want to move in?
And so that's what I did.
So we started our relationship off.
Was that the case for you?
You moved in for early on for financial reasons?
No.
I've definitely seen these memes online of people trying to get linked up in a relationship to save money on rent.
Have you seen that?
I've seen him.
I've seen that.
I hope he's not watching you.
No, I did not pay no bills too.
That doesn't give me the ick.
You know what I mean?
Because you had your own place, then he asked you to move in with him.
That's like cool.
yeah you know also let's just but the other way around it was yeah Yeah, that's weird.
You know what I mean?
That'd be really rare.
Let's define what the ick is.
What is the ick?
What is ick?
How do you define the ick?
Is there a difference between ick and the ick?
What is the?
The ick is when you gross about something and then there's just no going back.
Your opinion on that person or whatever it is can't be changed because you were just so grossed out or weirded out by it.
Yeah, I know you don't get in your aquarium water enough.
You get ick.
You get ick anyway.
But do you get the ick or do you get ick?
The fish get the ick.
They get the ick.
Dave, I'm not sure you're not like if you're talking about something else there.
And I think what makes it the ick also is it's just a switch randomly.
Like you feel fine and then and then there's no going back.
Have you felt the ick before?
I think every girl has.
I think it's when your brain switches from thinking like this is a potential mate to I feel like it might be the equivalent.
I don't know because I'm not a dude, but it could be the equivalent to post-nut clarity.
Maybe.
Oh gosh.
But there is going back because you could get horny again.
So never mind.
Maybe.
But it's just kind of like ew.
Yeah.
There's post-cordial rage where a man gets angry after an orgasm.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they get raised.
And I have to ask you.
Do you know that's my experience?
I've had that experience.
Have you, Dave?
No, you've just shut it down.
That's it.
Yeah.
There's this.
Dave Chappelle has a joke.
I think it's related to Louis C.K.
But a man who has just ejaculated is the least threatening motherfucker there is.
That's what I think.
Fair enough.
You don't have too much testosterone.
There's trauma.
Yeah.
Unless you have trauma.
Like sexual trauma.
You climax and then you've got a rap.
Oh, this happens in the regular world.
Is this a workplace that?
Did you have that place burned down?
Yes.
Sorry, hold on.
Yeah, thank you, Chief.
Did the guy that move in with that female not only have bad financial problems, but was he also in 300 credit score with the IRS coming after him?
No way in my desperate broke days would I move in with such a creature?
You don't even have a credit card to such a creature.
So how long have you guys been together?
Three months.
Three months?
He's just now starting to pay a little bit of rent?
You should pay all the bills.
A month in?
And I pay for food.
I pay for, like, I drive him.
Do you like that arrangement?
We're going to get better, hopefully.
It's working.
It's, you know, look, it's.
Oh, when?
I just had a conversation with him yesterday about it, but we're going to just see what happens.
But I mean, you really like him, right?
You like him, and you feel as though it's worth it because you really like the guy.
Yeah.
I want to bring up the break.
A week is a bit early.
I do feel like moving in after just a week.
It was like we were both in a situation where like we kind of needed to.
Okay.
Like same with her.
Like we were all in a situation like we needed to just like move.
So it kind of looks like that.
Yeah, it's like college literally.
Yeah, college.
Wait, but you said you moved like four or five times in the past.
Three times in the past three months?
Yeah.
What's going on?
It just didn't work out with the roommates and then.
Like you didn't like them or yeah.
Well the first one.
The first ones we were too loud and then they said we were going to get evicted if we didn't move out.
So we moved and then the next ones they were too messy and like we just didn't really get along that well.
And I had my boyfriend at my house all the time and they didn't really like that.
And then this is the third house.
Okay.
Good times.
What's the appropriate time that people usually wait before they move in with someone though?
Marriage.
I think most people probably do it in the first six months, no?
No, it's till death to you park because now you don't have to deal with moving out and you're just putting yourself in a vulnerable situation with someone that you're not sure if you're spending your life with.
That just doesn't seem like you're not.
If you buy a place together, I think it would be vulnerable.
But if you're just renting and just this level of familiarity that I don't want to have with my boyfriend before we're married.
Yeah.
Like I want there to be at least some mystery there.
If you're where I want him to see me at my best, you know.
If you look at until you're married?
It's one of the reasons, yeah.
I feel like if you want to know if your relationship's going to be like resilient, I feel like you probably should move in together so you can really see if you guys are compatible, like cohabitating in the same space.
I believe that you can get to know someone well enough without moving in together.
I agree.
And in fact, there are extra pressures that are introduced once you move in together that are not helpful to discerning a lifelong commitment with someone.
That's what I was going to say about that.
Do you want to add something?
Okay, if you look at statistics too, your relationship or your marriage is likely going to last longer if you wait it out and you don't move in together.
So if you care about this guy or if you're a guy and you care about the girl and you want the relationship to last, it's not a bad idea to look at the statistics and follow-up.
I've seen those stats, but I know that there's going to be selection bias because the people who are more likely to abstain from living together before they get married are also usually religious.
And most religious people are also going to be resistant to like separating or getting divorced.
So that kind of skews that statistic.
I think most people, you know, society is becoming increasingly secular.
But do you think that defines the statistic is just religious people?
No, it's just a bias.
Keep in mind.
Yeah, but I don't think it makes a big enough difference.
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I think also if you need to end a relationship, you're less likely to when you have this financial pressure of moving out.
So if there is a good reason to end a relationship, you're going to feel like, oh, but then I'll have to pay my own rent.
I can't split rent anymore.
All these different things.
So it can keep you in an unhealthy situation.
Those financial pressures are going to exist even in marriage, though.
Like people who would probably be better off separating and not being married any longer are probably more likely to remain in a relationship that's not satisfying for them just for financial reasons, which is to me not the current best or relationship.
I mean, I don't believe that a marital relationship exists to satisfy each individual and make you feel about you.
It's about the other person.
My doctor told me I shouldn't ever live alone.
Like with my condition, so they said you should never live alone.
And I'm just like, oh, okay.
Also, when you move in with them early, it's hard to know if you're moving in with the person or with how the person's making you feel.
And the way that person is making you feel is likely going to change.
So it's just a better idea to wait it out, get to know the person, and really know who you're moving in with.
When you say it's going to change, do you mean like in a negative direction or positive?
It's possible.
It's possible that the way that you feel about the person is going to change in a negative direction.
And now you're not going to feel very good in your own home and you're going to want to get out.
It happens.
The opposite could happen too.
I think it's just.
It could, but that's why you wait it out and figure out to see.
But that risk, I don't think that reason alone would be a reason to not move in together or like before marriage or I guess just quickly because you could always discover something about your partner that is like either dubious or makes you not like them anymore.
It's one of many reasons why you shouldn't move in with them early.
Ever.
Like until you get married?
There's circumstances where I guess, but it's if you look at the statistics, you shouldn't move in and the exception doesn't really make the rule.
I mean, personally, just not a good idea.
What I practice and what I believe is abstinence until marriage.
So, for anyone who has that value and aspires toward that, living together is not a good idea.
Just pragmatically, it's a bad idea.
So, that's another reason why I don't live with my boyfriend.
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Yeah, thank you, man.
Speaking of which, are you still a virgin?
Have you done the deed yet?
Shagged, boned, banged, screwed, nailed, scored, smashed, boarded the beef bus.
777 decimal.
Oh my god.
All right, thank you, Sedman.
Do you want to answer the question there?
If I was still a virgin, I didn't say I was holding anyway.
I didn't say I was a virgin.
I didn't.
That's kind of what.
777.
So we're kind of assuming.
777,700.
Let's just wait this out.
Do you want to answer?
7,777.
Do you want to answer that?
Yeah.
You think people assume from your community that I was a virgin?
I got way, I saw way more speculation that, like, ah, she's probably got a train ran through her.
That's why she doesn't want to fucking answer.
Which college did you go to?
I went to UTRGV.
Do they have like a D1 basketball team?
No.
Okay, football team?
Is that D3?
I don't have no clue.
It's part of the UTASA network or whatever.
I know people care about the longhorns or whatever, but UTRGV is like a border university.
It's part of that system, though.
Okay.
Not known for sports, no.
No Greek.
I don't think we have Greek life either.
Yeah.
Just bringing it back to the whole cohabitation thing, and to grid one motorsports, his TTS, I do think it's certainly a risk to move in way too early because you don't know the person well enough yet.
And you've basically, I'm almost looking at it from a legal liability point of view where you basically have established a tenancy.
And if you don't like this person, you may have to go through the process of actually evicting this person who's training order all the time.
Yeah, we're not on the lease.
Squatter's rights.
If they stay there like 30 days, you guys aren't on the lease where?
At our house.
Yeah, but you guys are legally, whether you have a written lease or not.
They're a tenant.
You're a tenant.
Yes.
If they've had a piece of mail delivered to your residence in their name or they've been there for like 30 days, I think that establishes tenancy.
And if you wanted them to leave, you would have to go to like a court to have them evicted formally.
No, they don't, but anything, it's because we're not allowed.
We're not technically.
We're not allowed.
Well, it doesn't matter.
Technically, in the eyes of the law, you're technically tenants.
But what I'm saying is if you like move in your girlfriend or you move in with her, from the male perspective, if you have some girl who you just met moved into your house and you haven't properly vetted her and it doesn't work out romantically, she technically could stay there and you would have to evict her and that could take months to get her out.
Meanwhile, you don't know what the situation could be.
What if it's like because what you're talking about, I think, is really volatile, where if it's like you just happen into it because they didn't leave, you know, like, oh, they just stayed and then after 30 days or whatever, then that's the situation.
But what if like a couple after like two months is like, we want to move out of our own places and move in together, sign a lease and do it properly?
Would you say that's as volatile?
Two months is certainly a longer screening process than one week.
I still think it I would wait much longer than that though.
Like how much?
Six months minimum.
Minimum.
Honestly, I don't even recommend it though.
I think in the interest of girls, I don't think that they should be performing wifely duties for their boyfriends.
You're not going to be doing your guys' laundry.
Period.
Like, no, on the first date, Mary, on the first date, you bring a girl over, you have her fold your laundry.
Have you done this, Brian?
I have done it.
And what are they folding?
I'm like, if a girl, if a girl just gets right into it, boom, boom, boom, starts folding, she does it all expertly and shit.
And she bows.
That's a good thing.
I like about.
Oh, Nick, can you find that video?
If she bows, I'm going to marry her.
We're doing this all.
Put a little pillowman on there.
Exactly.
But moving in together doesn't mean that you have to start doing the wifely duties.
You could totally.
No, it doesn't.
I just think a lot of girls unintentionally fall into that situation where they start acting like a wife to convince the guy to propose to them, and that is not the way to do it.
Well, is the guy providing?
Yeah, exactly.
Like, pick me, choose me, because I can fold your laundry.
I'm going to fold your laundry on the first date.
But it's like, if he gets folded on the daily daily.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm going to come over and fold your laundry on the first day, that's like...
If he gets a maid and a sex worker, essentially, like, why would he marry you in the first place?
Like, why do you mean if he's like, what is his insight so crazy?
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Shit moves in, gets the, gets drunk and pissed next thing.
You know, she has the copus there and dude catches a case.
Playing with fire gets you burned.
Just rescued a friend from this.
One in the chat if you know this song.
Yeah, I mean, there's also like that potential risk there when you're cohabitating.
Like there's, you know, also a lot of like if there's, even if it's like inter, what's it called?
Intra partner violence and it's like mutual or something.
Not that I'm advocating that somebody do that.
But there's like the Duluth model.
So even if she's the aggressor, you're going to get arrested as the guy in a domestic situation.
So there's definitely some, in addition to like tenancy issues, there's other legal liabilities with cohabitating.
There's biases against men when it comes to like the Duluth model that will just assume even if pretty much the bigger person is going to get arrested, even if the smaller person was the aggressor.
So you don't think they should endure?
That was turned into such a stupid clip that got so blown out of proportion.
Like at least we can explain.
By the way, I didn't say anything during that entire segment.
Well, neither did I.
And I also said that divorce is definitely permissible in the cases of abuse.
But no, you should not endure.
And I was accused by destiny of saying the opposite.
And he said, you 1000% hate abuse victims.
And I mean, you couldn't look at a more obvious straw man than that.
That was insane.
I guess because like MLD is more aligned with you guys ideologically.
Not men, like, not me.
Not you, but you.
No.
What am I?
You don't know what you, you, what do you think, Kyle?
Am I making a story?
I don't think I agree with MLD about almost anything.
I disagree.
I mean, first, I certainly disavow the statement he made, but I was going to say, like, I don't think it's unreasonable for the audience to assume that you guys are just more ideologically similar, you know, in that conversation.
Or it's just for some conversation that they will take your silence or like a lack of pushback on someone saying something as egregious as that as like a tacit endorsement.
Whether or not it's right or wrong, I'm saying I think that's what happens.
Like the assumption is made.
Yeah, that's what happens.
But I mean, and I had a conversation with Destiny about this, and he kind of echoed basically exactly what you said.
I mean, I don't think unless a person explicitly says something that even if they're just sitting next to somebody or they agree with them on certain other things, that that necessarily means that they agree with them on everything.
I guess because it's such an outrageous claim that like statement for MLT to say for it to just be like for you as the host to like let it stand and not be like, to be clear, guys, I disavow or like that's his perspective, not mine.
Like, let's say, hypothetically, you invited a neonopsy on your platform.
Okay.
I don't think I would do that, but okay.
Okay, so you, like, hypothetically, you invite this guest on, and they start saying just some crazy shit, okay, about Jews being really, really racist, anti-Semitic, like, bigoted.
In that instance, is this girl a buzzkill or what?
Go ahead.
If they said something like that, would you not feel like speaking up to make sure, like, hey, I don't endorse that?
It's an extreme, but.
I mean, that's a very extreme example.
First off, I would say I would not invite somebody like that on my platform to begin with.
But I would also say that we were like four and a half hours, five hours into that podcast.
I was actually not even doing that much talking, even as the host for that episode.
And I don't know if you recall, I like literally got up and like laid down for 10 minutes because I was having like, I have neck issues.
So I was kind of checked out, to be honest.
But like, yeah, I mean.
So final answer, you should not endorse it.
You should not endorse it.
I just want to say if there was ever like, I guess, an outrageous claim made, if there's ever something that you would feel like, I just have to say don't agree, because to let it stand might give the wrong impression.
Look, if you're saying you don't endorse it, I believe you.
I didn't end up with it.
I don't endorse it.
And look, I believe, whether you're a man or a woman, you have the right to leave an abusive marriage.
Yeah, so that's a good idea.
This is so controversial.
Yeah.
It was hard for him for MLD.
MLD, he's his own individual.
He's entitled to his own opinion on the topic.
He was also, I think, eight white claws deep.
Oh, is he getting waste?
She should fucking burn the dinner then if she doesn't want to go.
I have a feeling I don't agree with that.
Even if you were sober, dead sober, would have said that she thinks so.
I could be wrong.
I don't know.
But he's welcome to prove me wrong.
In any case, whether he was drunk or not, I certainly disagree with his position, excuse me.
Disavow.
But moving on, let's get through the intros for people's relationship status.
I think we left off with you.
What about you?
I'm currently in my first relationship.
We've been together for like the same time, like three months.
Okay.
But we've been like talking, kind of.
Like hooking up, not really talking.
With other people?
No, no, no.
With each other since January.
Oh, so you were in a situationship, and now you're...
We weren't really in a situationship.
We were just hooking up.
Friends with benefits?
Was it open?
Like you guys were seeing other people.
We were really friends.
Yeah.
You hated each other?
No.
We just didn't really talk unless he was there.
What do you mean, there?
Like at my place.
So he would come over, hook up, leave.
Pretty much.
That was it.
Does he live with you now?
Yeah.
Okay.
How's that going?
It's a necessitative.
It's going great.
It's going great.
Okay.
Yeah.
Mary, what about your relationship status?
I'm in my first and only relationship so far.
It's about a year old.
All right.
I'm married.
I've been married for about six months now.
Are we still saying how long our longest lasting relationship is?
Just what your longest relationship is?
Yeah, a year.
Well, almost a year.
But yeah, I'm currently married.
And that's your longest relationship?
No, my previous relationship was my longest relationship.
How long have you been married?
I've been married for six months, but before we were married, we were friends.
We weren't necessarily in a relationship.
Well, did he propose when you were friends?
Well, the situation is kind of funny.
We've been best friends for over two years.
And we were really close, really good friends.
And then I got in that relationship that I was talking about before, the one that was almost a year.
Broke up with that guy, and then he swooped in.
Kind of, not really.
I didn't break up with this guy for my current husband, but I did know in the back of my head, like, he was an option.
He was a possibility.
And so then the conversation came up.
We would be like, you know, we'd make a really good married couple because we'd just get along so well.
And then after that conversation came up, things kind of changed.
We actually fell for each other.
And we both have God.
We have the same morals, same values.
It was really just too perfect to say no.
So we got married.
Wait, just point of clarification.
How long were you guys romantically dating before you got married?
Maybe four months.
Okay, so friends for a period of time, four months?
Friends, four months, married.
How long were you best friends for?
Two years.
How long were you engaged?
Two years.
Okay.
Sorry, I'm trying to put it together.
Wait, you were best friends while in a relationship?
When I was in that relationship, the friendship kind of faded.
And then at the end of the relationship, we got back on being best friends.
But no, out of respect for my boyfriend at the time, I kind of like took a step back.
And he understood why, and he had no problem with it.
Okay, another point of clarification.
You said your previous relationship was how long?
It was almost a year.
It was maybe like 10 months.
Okay, so you break up with him.
How soon after breaking up with your 10-month boyfriend did you get into dating your now husband?
Maybe like becoming technical.
Four months, I think?
I don't know.
I've never really thought about it.
Four months?
Probably about four months.
I think that's really cool how he could witness you being in love and still be there because there's some people that are like, you know, he wasn't interested in me and I wasn't interested in him.
there was your friend and cared about he wasn't like i'm leaving like because he didn't have like no he wasn't just friend zoned he would He had dating.
You know, and no, no, no, no.
He pulls.
He pulled like crazy.
So no, he was.
Your husband?
Yeah.
Before we were married.
Like, I need details.
So he didn't, like, just wait and wait and hope for me to finally.
Wait, did you guys elope?
Or was there an engagement or did you just elope?
No, we got married in a church.
He didn't like propose to me.
Like, will you marry me?
We kind of were just like, yeah, let's get married.
So technically we were engaged from that point.
So like setting a date, like on his knees, like nothing like that.
No, not anything like that.
Because since our relationship started out as a best friendship, that isn't really us.
Like the whole romantic or what do you mean?
No.
It morphed.
Yeah, things like him getting on his knee and proposing to me.
It's just not really us.
You know?
Word.
Dave, what about you?
Well, I've been married for eight years.
We've been together for 13 years.
He's a dude, which is interesting to people.
We have two one-year-olds, and I'm feeling very old right now because there's been several words that I have not understood.
Let me translate for you.
What was it?
Was it ick?
Was that one?
That was one.
And then there was, there was, what was the poll?
What's the poll?
That's when you like.
He's like a girl.
Yeah, he pulls.
Oh, he pulls.
He pulls.
Whoa, he's pulling.
Yeah, I got it.
I got it.
Okay.
All right.
Got it.
And you said you're married, right?
How long have you been married for?
Eight years.
Eight years.
Together.
About 13, yeah.
Wow, okay.
Which in straight years, that's like 50 years, basically.
That's wow.
Yeah, that's a long time.
Okay, interesting.
What do you mean by straight years?
Yeah, well, you know, because people think gays don't have like normal relationships.
So if you've been with someone for eight years and you're gay, it's like 20.
Wow.
I have never heard of that.
Well, it's weird.
It's like you can learn something new.
And two, one-year-olds, gay people that do have long-term relationships, but then the majority of them don't.
I guess, I don't know.
We actually don't even have that many gay friends.
Like, the few that we do are couples that have been together for a while, but with kids usually.
When did you stop dating women?
Like, a little bit after college.
I tried.
I really tried.
Did you know you were gay all the time?
But you just...
Yeah, kind of.
But, like, I was trying.
You know what I mean?
Like, I was really trying to get it.
You wanted to be straight.
Yeah, it's also like, I'm 47, so I was in college in the early 90s.
It's very, it was very different.
It was very different back then than it was now.
Like, there was no, you couldn't be like normal and gay or anything like that.
It was before gay marriage.
It was like, it was like, what the hell is this thing?
You know what I mean?
So I tried.
The girls were fucking a little bit of a bad idea.
I owe themselves at you.
Yeah, yeah.
I owe a lot of girls from back then a lot of apologies because, like girls always love me and I just like I try, but I pulled, I pulled, I was pulling, Dave was pulling.
Yeah, he pulled.
If he wanted to, he would.
Yeah, but not everything was working, if you know what I mean.
And yeah so Dave, but as far as the moving in and everything else you guys were talking about, like if you love the person and it's the right person that you're supposed to be with, it doesn't matter if you've been together for two months, like if it's legit and real and you know the person and it's not just because you they need a bed and you need some cash and like you're supposed to be with them, then it really there's no rule.
You could be with them for six months and move in.
You could.
There are people you will find, people that have been together for 40 years, that knew each other for two weeks and they were like that's the one, that's fair and you do it.
You gotta do the adventure.
Did you go to college?
You went to college.
Yeah, where did you go?
Sunny Binghamton Upstate, New York oh okay, was there?
Like was it a party school kind of or not, I was a major pothead.
You were oh, you were a pothead.
Yeah, I guess it was just a lot of weed.
It was a lot of weed.
Was there kind of like walking around Santa Barbara actually?
Yeah, it's not a lot of weed out.
You've been here before, by the way, a couple times okay, but it's been a while.
Um, and so would you.
Uh, when did you graduate from university?
98 98, would you say.
I mean, you probably witnessed things.
Was there?
Because in colleges there there is uh certainly, at least today, there's definitely a quite a big hookup culture.
Was there a hookup culture?
Oh yeah, it's cool.
Back in the 90s college man yeah everyone's.
I mean you're basically.
I think actually, it seems probably back then people were probably having sex more.
I think people probably now between porn and uh whatever, like you're just getting off in different ways, where back then you actually like, if you wanted to like get off, you had to like find somebody to get off with a body you know, warm body.
Yeah, having sex with someone else.
It was weird.
Yeah Brian, you said hookup culture, but as far as I know, aren't zoomers like losing their virginity later and later?
I is there like a statistic or well, that is that is true.
Yeah, they started having less sex than millennials did at their own age.
Yeah, like there's all this talk about like how the younger generation, like millennials on the cusp and like zoomers specifically, like hookup culture and like fucking a bunch but um, I don't believe that's the case and I think that's like a reason why there's kind of like this loneliness epidemic amongst like boys particularly, but like zoomers in general, waiting longer and longer to have sex so they party less, they socialize less.
Of course yeah, me and mind, they have less relationships, they have less sex.
Yeah, so like I don't find the hookup culture really I feel like that's getting phased out, if anything.
I mean, the thing is you could get everything so easily now.
Right, like you can get every human connection you want, whether it's sexual or emotional or anything, basically from your phone dating.
Yeah, there's a simulation of it, but not the real thing.
Yeah, so it's a huge problem because there you used to like actually have to go to like.
Have any of you ever gone to a bar by yourself and just like sat at the bar?
Yes, I've seen if a guy hits on you or even just has a drink, have a drink by yourself.
Like there's something about that.
Like in the old days, if you were meeting a friend at the bar at the movies before you had a phone, right?
Like you had to stand there and then you would and then you would people watch.
You'd actually just like look at people.
And like we've just sort of devolved all of that so our brains are just never not hooked into the matrix.
And I think that that's added to a lot of the kind of loneliness and crazy that it seems like a lot of people in their 20s are feeling right now.
And then I think it's linked to a lot of like depression and anxiety too because you're so like isolated.
Yeah.
Why are men so afraid to approach women these days?
Me too.
Ooh, is TV news and things?
It never seems that nothing bad is reported about a woman doing something, but it's always like, I mean, growing up, my mom was a police officer, so she would always, you know, kind of, you know, just from her own experience, she'd say, oh, you better lock the door because, you know, a man could come in and stranger danger mindset.
Yeah, and here's, you know, as a young girl, I'm like, oh my gosh, men, scary, you know, me, like, this little thing I need to protect.
Like, so, so it may be just that conditioning maybe over time.
And, and, yeah, but I've heard some interesting, crazy stories about women too, like doing things.
But I'm like, man, why wasn't this on the news?
Like, it needs to be equal for people.
Well, I think, like, there's obviously the fear of rejection in there, too.
It's not just me too, right?
Like, oh, certainly.
Yeah, there are a lot of insecure men out there that really don't want to face the possibility of rejection, so they will never put themselves out there at all.
But then again, on the other side, women need to learn how to reject men without being rude to them and having some grace about it.
Like, that's kind of a lost art, is rejecting someone in a generous way.
Yeah, I 100% agree.
I mean, and I think a lot of men have the experience of maybe they're a little shy or nervous, but they're not otherwise being creepy or a jerk or an asshole.
And they'll approach a girl and it's like a fucking just a train wreck.
Some women will graciously reject a guy.
Hey, oh, thank you very much.
I have a boyfriend, whatever, whatever.
But a lot of men will have the experience of going up to a girl and it's like it can be pretty brutal the ways in which men get rejected.
Certainly in like a party type environment, if there's alcohol involved, even a guy who like in a very polite way goes up to a girl, like they, when alcohol is involved, people can be very obnoxious and brutal.
And also with social media, you have like men are also scared of like being like they don't want to come off like a creep, not just in that moment, but then like if the girl goes and tells all her friends, oh, this guy came up to me and approached me, and I don't know.
She could record you.
Yeah.
I think the other thing too is because of dating apps, like before it was if you wanted to meet somebody, you had to approach them in person in some capacity.
Otherwise, you pretty much, like, there was no dating app.
So grid one motorcycle.
Now that, with dating apps, it kind of alleviates that.
Normally I would ask what the girls bring to a relationship besides sex.
But since the ICK is a thing, how about they discuss what men should bring to the relationship and what should men be willing to endure for the pleasure of their company?
Okay, so how about what men should bring to the relationship and what should men be willing to endure for the pleasure of their company?
What should men bring to the table?
Is that the question?
Pretty much.
Okay, I guess we could go around on that.
What do you think men should bring to the table?
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For you, it's a therapist.
Erin learned long ago that the amount of time people can tolerate her is directly proportional to the amount of cleavage possible.
Would you date and or fell at Brian?
Do you feel comfortable with me answering that?
Your viewer, your Aaron and Drew over here is sexually harassing you, paying to sexually harass you.
Me?
Yeah, both of us.
I feel like he's objectifying you and he's asking me if I would, like, have sex with you or whatever.
I don't think that's...
Well, he says date and or for ladies.
And/or fillate, true.
So it could be one or the other.
It could be both.
Let's assume you weren't currently having it in your first relationship.
Like, would I?
I'd go out on a date with you.
You're a handsome guy.
Oh, thank you.
You know what?
I should have happened after last show.
We could have got some.
I know.
I kind of kicked you off.
You kicked me off.
I should have been waiting.
And then after I got kicked off, even though you said you didn't care about the answer, you did ask Pixie if I was a virgin.
You're like, just fucking throw your friend under the bus.
You tell her.
And then you asked Destiny to speculate if I'd been gang raped.
Do you remember that or no?
What?
I don't even remember.
Whoa, that's fake news.
No, you said, do you think there was like a gang bang?
And he was like, a gang bang?
And you said consensual.
Wait, I don't think that's synonymous.
Still an inappropriate question, I'll grant that a bit later.
Not the same thing.
Yeah.
Wait, the definition of gang rape?
First off, kidding.
What gang bang and gang rape are doing?
Oh, my God.
I can't believe we're eating.
Sorry, this is like 2TOS or whatever.
Well, yeah, we asked for you not to say that before the show.
Sorry.
And that's not what I said.
So why are you putting words in my mouth?
Like trying to fucking false accuse me.
I told you that you asked.
No, that's a false accusation.
I did not say that.
Did the words gang rape come out of my mouth?
No, you said that.
So that's a false accusation.
You asked, do you think there was like a gang bang?
And then you clarified consensual.
And so you said consensually, consensually.
So I thought that was a good question.
But that's what I said.
I did not say that specific term.
No, you didn't say the specific term, but the spirit of what you were asking.
And when you added that caveat.
Bro, this chick's such a fucking buzzkill.
The spirit of what you're saying.
Should we do a round two?
Like, okay, what are you getting at?
If I misunderstood what you were asking, you were just asking, like, if I had sex with multiple people or group sex or whatever, fine.
I didn't know that, like, that's not my understanding of what the term means.
But I didn't mean to falsely accuse you.
Are we re-litigating every single thing that happened on the previous podcast?
What are you talking about?
I don't want to relive that.
Then we don't have to.
But, like, so what's your question?
I was just saying.
The TTS is asking if you would date me.
That's the extent of it.
Yes.
Or fillate you.
And I said, you're attractive.
But we didn't know each other.
Maybe I'd go on a date with you, but I don't think we have much in common.
So no.
Okay.
Okay.
There you go.
the fuck let's just talk about oh my god What should men bring to the table is the question?
The thing we were on before that?
Sorry, we got this one coming.
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I'm a bit older than those under 40.
Nothing is better than having a family as you move ahead in life.
Girls and guys, be family-minded.
People don't care about the pics of you on a beach at 22 when 70.
Except the wife/slash hubby you took them or kids who view word and truth.
Gender and best class.
We'll go around the table.
What should a guy bring to the table?
Safety, security, somebody to be like a leader, a mentorship, something like that.
Next person?
I don't know if there's a one-size-fits-all for all relationships.
I think that's just going to have to be determined by each individual couple, but I would say reliably you could say that your partner should probably bring like integrity, honesty, open communication, I think are good foundations that partners can bring to a relationship.
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Ryan is the modern-day Socrates.
I have learned so many new phrases such as whatever.
Red pill and blue pill.
And I finally figured out what 304 means.
Dating apps are the main problem since it makes men not come out of their comfort zone.
Yo, Curtis, thank you very much, man.
Appreciate it.
Modern day Socrates, I mean, that's quite an endorsement, but thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
I thought that 304 was about the actual area code.
It is the area code.
Because I was like, I'm from West Virginia.
Are you like trying to dunk on me for being from West Virginia?
I looked it up too.
I was like, I'm 609.
Like, what is that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Never been there.
Okay, but you were answering the question.
Oh, yeah.
I think just very compassionate, very caring.
For me, obviously, the situation is a little deviated.
So probably someone with an open mind in a sense were like, maybe there might be another lady in the relationship to kind of balance things out.
Oh, my God.
Beaten Cheeks.
Biggest tell in today's society is the lack of human interaction, and all thanks to hashtag Me Too and hashtag BelievalWomen BS.
It's why men are lonelier and going black-pilled.
But thanks to dating apps, I don't use slash against for having me approach women in public much easier.
Yo, cheeks, yeah.
I'm not sure it is me too.
Like, I just don't think that normie men really even care or know about or research those types of things.
I think it is more related to the dating apps and the overall lack of social connection and community that we have going on.
Yeah, I think, well, I think Me Too is a component.
Probably the bigger thing is social media.
It's like, oh, why are people not getting married?
It's because of no-fault divorce.
Like, I just don't think normie men even know about like, you know, family court statistics.
They aren't researching these things.
They don't really know or care about those things.
I think a lot of guys have worried about like being falsely accused.
Online concerns, I feel.
I feel like I heard this in high school from like normie dudes that I went to school with, where they worried that just about being falsely accused of having like, you know.
There is that concern, definitely, but I just feel like normie men don't really engage with, but I don't know if it's enough to have a chilling effect so deeply that they wouldn't be like engaging with women, period.
Like the real answer is much more boring and depressing.
It's just that people aren't having social connections anymore.
The retreat I went on, obviously like a sex therapy camp, but I would, because I can only speak from my experience, but I would strongly recommend it to men who've experienced false accusing.
There was men, women there, and it was a very like healthy, releasing space.
And I've never witnessed that in my life.
I always saw men as this stoic figure and just TV and just grown up.
And I finally got to see real men just kind of tell their stories and be vulnerable.
And I've heard so many stories.
And I'm like, wow, this is what they keep inside.
Like, wow.
I'm so sorry.
Wow, this is what they're keeping inside.
It was profound.
I just was silent for literally two days watching and witnessing.
I wanted to revisit your answer to the question of what men should bring to the table in a relationship.
You started going into something about how there should be another woman in a relationship.
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Bricks and bring out the fruit salad.
BTW Aaron, are you a virgin?
That's the world on the street anyway.
The word on the street.
Did you answer the question?
I don't think we got to that question.
No, I think we moved on or whatever.
No, I'm not a virgin.
Oh, wait, why were you resistant to saying that before?
I should have just been open that I didn't want to answer the question at that time.
But like, yeah, I'm not a virgin.
Women have sex with men they're not in love with all the time.
Okay, so you were saying there should be another woman in a relationship.
Yeah, in my relationship.
Okay.
I kind of has other men is my guess.
No, I want the man to have another woman because like since, so I have MS, and so sometimes I think it gets like too crazy for people to handle like emotionally.
Like, oh my God, like, I don't want my, like, I'm a pleaser.
I'm a bit of a pleaser in relationships.
Like, I want the man to be happy.
I want everybody to be happy.
Even like, you know, women, when I have friends, I want them to be happy.
And this is just an insecurity that I have recently.
So you want another woman to be involved in your relationship out of insecurity?
I guess that's where I'm at right now, like in dealing with somebody healthy.
I think what she's trying to say, in my opinion, is that you would rather have your man be with another woman and also you.
Yes, yes.
So out of the blue, you're not shook that he's like cheating on you or, you know, doing some shy sea shit behind your back.
I just fall back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, so if I get sick or something and I just feel like, oh my gosh, like he's unhappy.
Now I'm even more unhappy.
I mean, wouldn't you hope that someone sticks by you in that moment and like loves you unconditionally?
Like that is the ideal, don't we agree?
Yeah, I'd hope.
And I just, I think it's just the insecurity of, oh my gosh, what if it's too much for him?
What if he just wants to break up?
Because he's like, I can't deal with dating a person with a disability.
And it's happened before where that's been like, oh, you know, I don't see girls with disabilities.
And it's just, I'm like, okay, like, you kind of get like, yeah.
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Mary, as you are below a normie, you don't know how low-middle-class men think like I do.
I speak to them daily in non-big cities.
Many of them are very well aware of the matriarchal hold women have in regards to the sexual dynamics women have over normies.
Huh.
Yeah, that makes sense because if all these men are on the internet are speaking out about how they're worried that they're going to get falsely accused.
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Mary, a cool dark health.
But enough of us normie men have watched enough men have Theo lives burned down by divorce and accused of all sorts of horrible things that we 100% pay attention.
Nothing is new under the sun.
I guess what I was referring to is men that don't like watch podcasts like this one.
Like men who aren't super engaged with the discourse about dating and stuff like that online.
Like that's what I meant by the term normie.
And also to clarify, I don't live in a big city.
I live in a very rural area in West Virginia.
Well Dave, as our resident boomer here, okay, could you say that you're 47, right?
Wait, are you actually a boomer?
Or are you no?
No, no, no, I'm just accepting it.
I was accepting it though, yeah.
Okay, would you say, like, were you ever worried about being falsely accused during your time in college?
No, it wasn't really a thing.
Do you think it is now or like do you just?
Me too kind of went sideways, but it wasn't, you know, I think it's interesting because I'm usually not around a bunch of like early 20s girls like this.
And it's interesting, it seems like everyone's very in their head about what's going on in the world or in life or something.
I don't actually mean that very judgy.
Really, you all seem very sweet and lovely.
But like something about the internet has really like just broken people.
It's very obvious to me.
I don't mean that, I don't mean you guys are broken.
I mean that I do politics for a living, trust me, everyone in politics is broken, but something about the internet that we thought was going to make us more social, right?
It's called social media, it made us way more anti-social and anxiety rated.
I mean, you're all nodding at the same time.
Like, everyone's feeling that thing.
really weird.
I mean, I was born in 1976.
That's not like I'm not that old.
And I remember, it's funny, my guys, Phoenix, who's one of my producers here.
He's around early 20s like you guys.
And like, I always joke, it's like, you have no idea what the world was like pre-internet.
And actually, it was pretty good.
It really was pretty good.
Like, you could just like, right?
Like, no, it was really awesome.
And so many things also, I think it has to do with timing also, that you can get anything you want whenever you want.
Like, whether it's sex, all of that.
But it's not even just that.
It's like you can binge watch a show where back in the day, like, you had to watch a show if you wanted to watch Seinfeld at 9 o'clock on Thursdays.
Like, you couldn't watch 10 episodes in a row.
You guys have heard of Seinfeld, right?
Yeah.
You got the reference.
Okay.
But like, so something about the speed of all of this, and also like, this one will blow your mind.
At the beginning of the internet, when the internet first came out, like, you could scroll down to a page, like, if you just went to like CNN.com or just any, you were buying something, like, you were buying a shirt on HM or something, like, you'd scroll down and the page would end.
That was how the internet worked.
Like, you could get to the end of a page.
Where now we have Infinite Scroll.
And this guy, there's a guy that developed Infinite Scroll.
I don't remember his name, but he basically regrets it because he realized that he unleashed something that allows us to just doom scroll all day long.
And like, I get plenty of hate online.
If I wanted to, I could spend all day long just having people just tell me horrible things.
But like, at some point, you just disconnect.
I do a month off my phone and computer and electronics and news and everything every August.
I've done it for six years.
I would definitely recommend you guys try it.
Like literally nothing.
Have no idea what's going on in the world for a month.
And your sexuality maybe influence your experience with not having to worry about, I guess, like false accusations or feeling that sort of anxiety or not?
Maybe, I guess.
I mean, like.
Is Me Too even a thing in the probably not?
I mean, I guess maybe to some extent, there's always power dynamics in a relationship, right?
Or in just meeting somebody you're hooking up or something.
But like, there's something different.
If it's two guys or two girls, there is something fundamentally different, I suppose, related to who would be harassing who.
There is just the physical difference.
Yeah.
There's a great movie.
Do you ever see the movie Disclosure?
It's with Michael Douglas and Demi Moore.
It's like from probably like 95 or something.
And in the movie, she's his boss and she sexually harasses him.
Brian, you're a modern day philosophical chat that all young men need to take notice to.
Highest compliment to the panelists.
What do you want from the average material man?
S workers, why do you want men to respect you when you don't respect yourselves?
Are we going to finish going around with what men should bring to the table?
Are we going to put that to Russ?
He kind of just yeah, it's kind of similar.
Like, what do you want from a marriage material man?
Also, he's asked, S-workers, why do you want men to respect you when you don't respect yourselves?
Do they want men to respect them, though?
I feel like you kind of forfeit that.
You forfeit the possibility of men respecting you when you become an SW.
Right?
Wait.
Well, I think that like and what I'm thinking that you're meaning is obviously not like anything physical or being like, oh my gosh, like screaming in your face or nothing like violent or anything, but probably like, oh, like, were you thinking of respect in a sense where, oh, if you're seeing multiple men, he can see multiple women too.
Not like physical, like, oh, you deserve to get sucked or like something like that.
And that's what I'm assuming that's not what that was.
Well, I'm also talking about just your male clients.
I don't believe that they respect the women that they are paying to penetrate.
Some don't.
And that's where John knew.
You can finish.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Some don't.
And that's where lately, now that I'm 31, I'm kind of like finding my voice.
I feel like in my 20s, I was just very quiet and just kind of went along, had good girl conditioning and went along with the program a lot.
And I noticed it got me, which I was going to comment on something you said that was really neat.
Like you were talking about how women were doing white, like kind of subverting of very early, how do I say that?
They're doing wife things for their boyfriend.
Thank you.
I would subvert to the wrong man in a sense where like I would submit.
So I'm learning submission's earned.
And submission is when you trust someone and they're safe, they're a safe man.
But subversion is like they're not safe.
They're just there.
And it's because they're a man.
And that's, I would notice I would do that.
And I would notice that's when dangerous situations would happen with clients.
And now I'm realizing like, hey, if someone is hurting me or saying some things, I'm going to end it.
No, like this is not okay.
And I have my boundaries.
And if someone respects it, then I'm like, okay, then I'm going with you.
And I'll submit to this experience, but I won't subvert to an experience that's aggressive of any type.
Well, I'm glad that that's a possibility for you.
I would assume that for the vast majority of sex workers in the world, they do not have the ability to protect themselves or advocate for themselves in those situations at all.
Like third world countries.
I mean, not even just third world countries.
It's everywhere they, I mean, part of that line of work, if you want to call it work, is being disrespected and dehumanized and objectified.
Like that is.
I was dehumanized for the first time.
Let you say your piece, but I actually finally realized at age 30 what dehumanizing meant.
And I didn't know what it meant for so long.
And I have a story, but I'll, yeah, you share your piece.
I forgot what I was going to say.
Oh, no.
Tell your story.
Well, I thought you said you need to think what the story is, but I think that maybe what the Koi Jones is trying to get at here is when it comes to a relationship, most men would not want to be in a relationship with a sex worker, whether in the past or present.
But you can't speak that for all and for everybody.
Well, sure.
Of course, I'm not speaking for all, but would you disagree?
Generally speaking, men don't want to date prostitutes and porn stars.
No, there's plenty of men out there.
That's not what I said.
That's not what I said.
Generally speaking, I would say most men do not want to have long-term relationships with women who are involved with sex work.
I disagree.
Do you think the majority of men, so more than 50% of men, want to date and have long-term relationships with women who are involved in sex work?
It's 50-50, dude.
So exactly.
50% of men would date.
I say like 50% of date.
I don't know.
I'm not talking numbers and stuff.
I don't know that.
I'm just saying that we're all different.
And who knows?
Okay, you have to understand.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for a woman to, if you have a past of sex work, current sex work, prostitution, whatever it is, it's not going to be impossible for you to find a long-term relationship or a husband.
However, I don't think my statement is wrong, which is what I'm, which is the majority of men do not want to date or wife up a prostitute.
Okay.
Or a girl who's done poor.
I disagree with that.
Well, I mean, you kind of are not seeing the bigger picture, right?
Because the only men who would date you are the ones who do feel okay with the fact that you're not.
So I want to bring it back real quick to the whole how we're not respected in all this.
You know what I mean?
How disgusting is it for people to come to sex workers and or think about sex workers and think that we deserve not to be respected just because of our industry?
Very, it shows that you're very narrow-minded.
It shows that you lack empathy.
It shows a lot, actually.
We are human.
We are people.
We're very open-minded.
We're compassionate.
People can come to us at the bunny ranch and we can sit down and have one-on-one conversations with people.
They feel safe with us.
And people like you guys, and I'm not saying like you guys, but people that do believe in what I don't, it's scary.
It really is scary that we have a group of people that are like so narrow-minded like that.
I don't think that you deserve to be disrespectful.
One sec, one sec.
Let's define the terms here a little bit.
So when you say narrow-minded, also let's define respect, right?
So I pulled it up, dictionary, Oxford dictionary.
Respect, number one, a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
And then the other one is due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others.
So when we use this term respect, I think it can sometimes be interpreted differently than other people.
I don't think what the super chatter is necessarily saying is that we would like we view you, we would treat you in a rude or mean or contemptuous sort of way because of the work you do.
I don't think that's really it.
It's just like an old penny.
Can I add something, sure?
Um, so you're saying that they deserve respect regardless of their industry and you're being narrow-minded by not respecting someone because of their industry.
But I guarantee there's some sort of industry, some sort of job some guy would have and he said respect is deep admiration, that you're not gonna deeply admire him for the work he does and respect is not deserved ever.
You earn respect and some men don't respect sex work and it just because it doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it's bad.
I also think you guys probably have a lot more power than you think.
Well, you probably both know that you have a lot more power.
Where maybe they don't see the power that you have, the guys are paying you.
You're really in charge of this thing.
I Remember, I had a buddy who used to love going to strip clubs, and we'd go to the strip.
I would go with him, and it was like, whatever.
And it was funny, because if I would tell the stripper that I was gay, they'd want to grind on you like double time and see what would happen.
And like, physical contact is nice, so that was fine.
But I would always think like, you know, the sort of normal way to think about it was somehow the girl was disrespecting herself and she's out of control and blah, blah, blah.
But it's like the girl was usually they were earning money to go to college or something, blah, blah, blah.
Both of you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders.
And at some, if I had to guess, like at some point, you probably will be out of this line of work and you'll probably find a guy and you'll probably have kids.
Yeah.
Yeah, you will.
Like that's kind of how life works.
Like life, you don't just stay in the same mental or physical state or spiritual state forever.
And you'll probably, and you'll look back and you might go, ah, maybe some of that wasn't great.
Maybe some of it was.
But if you're saving some money now and like doing something that gives some people pleasure, I get why people can be all judgy about it.
I think you guys are going to be fine.
At the end of the day, my parents are happy with what I'm doing.
My parents support me with what I'm doing.
My grandparents, my uncle is probably watching this right now.
So wait, just to be clear, your parents know everything about what I do.
You're doing prostitution?
I'm a legal escort in Nevada.
Sure.
Okay, that's what that means.
Yeah.
You are a prostitute.
I am not doing things.
I'm not hurting anybody.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
That's not what I'm saying.
Your parents support you doing prostitution.
My parents are happy with the way I'm living my life.
They are.
I bought an RV.
I'm on the way to buy a house.
I have done so much for myself being in this industry.
I do have the right head on my shoulders.
And my dad knows that.
By the way, people prostitute themselves for a lot of other stuff besides sex.
People aren't taking notes in the middle.
She's not.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I didn't mean that.
I didn't mean that to do.
I mean, like, trust me, I come out of the world of politics.
Like, people sell out and do anything for money and say what they believe and then they act contrary.
So, like, you know, prostitution.
But I don't know why it was so hard for you to wrap your brain around that, though, because it's like, it's like, because parents don't tend to be okay with stuff like mine from my life.
And that's what my parents like me for.
They want something from me.
That doesn't commonly happen.
Happens.
You get surprised.
It's not common for parents to be okay with their kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it surprised them.
My parents are happy that I'm not hurting nobody.
I'm not hurting myself.
Thank you.
And I am making money and I am going to be doing always leveling up in life.
And why wouldn't my parents be proud of me succeeding in life?
Well, they're perhaps proud of you for the success, but it is surprising.
Somewhere where it's done legally and safely?
Sure, but I mean, it's surprising that you're.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you think your parents would prefer you to be an attorney, a doctor versus a prostitute?
All of a sudden, that would mean you do something else with your life and you have an equal amount of independence.
My parents are so proud of me for being independent and free.
I'm actually not afraid of it.
But if you come to know that in another way, I would be they would want me to do what's best for me.
My parents want me to do whatever I'm happy with and whatever I'm content with.
And that's what life is.
You could be happy and content and independent without doing sex work.
But it makes me happy to connect with individuals on a different level.
Like something like that, donated $100.
Brian, your platform has the discussions most people won't slash will not talk about.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
Let me clarify.
Most men would not respect the self-worth of OSW, nor would not want to be with.
My girl works an honest job, which is why she is my pride and joy.
I don't know if that changes so much.
Would not respect the self-worth of a sex worker.
Okay.
I was going to say, my mom, so my mom wasn't too happy about sex work because she's pretty conservative.
That's common.
Yeah, it's more common, especially for older people.
If you're old enough to be a parent, she's a baby boomer, too.
Yeah, then you tend to not want your child to be selling their body.
She loved that I did the Tantra retreat.
She likes that I'm getting into the holistic side of the sexuality, and she's hoping that maybe one day I have my own, you know, my own holistic Tantra practice.
She likes that.
So she was kind of rooting for that.
You think parents are going to adopt a more libertarian mindset towards their children engaging in sex work if they see that their child is like safe and financially secure?
And that is a safe question.
If that occurs as a product of their job, then I think they're going to be more likely to be like, you know what, maybe I was being more judgmental.
Here's the thing, though.
You were deeply offended that he was surprised that your parents support it.
And I'm saying the only reason he's surprised is because parents, because they're old and not usually libertarian, don't seem to often support it.
So there's nothing you need to offend about.
I'm not offended.
I'm just saying.
Why'd you raise your voice and get upset that you're not?
I said it was just super weird that he couldn't comprehend.
That's just weird.
I come from a very religious background, so I'm actually Buddhist and I have a sister that is actually a sex worker.
And my dad was in the Vietnam War, so he's super OG, like old school.
You know, wife should cook, clean, you know, stay home, take care of the kids while he provides and does everything.
That's what I grew up with.
But as my sister is a sex worker, he doesn't mind.
He doesn't care.
He says, like, hey, you are your own individual person.
You can do what you want to do.
But that shit is the masculine.
I need the masculine instinct to come in and shame this degenerate behavior.
Like, I'm living my life for myself and nobody else.
So my dad's just like, like I said, religious.
Because the reason that it's my life.
Hold on.
So you're saying your father, your cousin, she's a sex worker.
No, my sister is a sex worker.
Your sister's a sex worker and your father's cool with it.
My father does, yeah, he's cool with it.
You know why he's uncomfortable disavowing or shaming it or feeling like it's brought dishonor is because the current social climate that we're in is very liberal.
It's very progressive.
And if you take a stance on any of this shit, you're going to get the brunt of the current social climate.
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Thank you.
Those choices Athi has to make, but let's not deny that men do not value anything they pay for as much as things they earn.
Men win a woman's love.
Men earn a woman's trust.
These are valued above all else.
I like that.
I like that.
So Dave, I wanted to add the latter part of that.
I like the latter part of that.
Hold on.
So that's just, that blows my mind, though.
Like, your father's cool with your sister doing, when you say sex work, we're talking stripper or what?
She does like OnlyFans and stuff like that.
So her content is a little bit different.
Well, that's different than, that's a little different.
I mean, yeah, she also does like meet up with people for work and like she gets paid for, yeah.
Oh, so she escorts too.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that's what she does.
So my dad doesn't mind.
He doesn't care.
Like, he says that you can either go out and be an independent woman or you could be a stay-at-home wife.
And this is exactly why society is failing, is we don't have strong men saying, no, this is not okay for you to do.
So you're saying that my dad's parents on this panel is stronger.
I want us to hear that perspective as the only parent on this panel.
People are not listening.
So would you be okay with your children, even though they're very young now?
Would you be okay with either of your children becoming sex workers?
No, well, of course, my preference would be no.
And I'm not, again, I don't mean to, it's weird to have two people here that obviously seem like great girls.
So I'm not making this about you guys at all.
So the preference, I think, for every parent would be no.
But I think what your dad is probably saying about your sister is she's out there making a living for herself.
I assume she doesn't live with them.
Like she's got her own place.
She's like doing her own thing.
I get that it's not ideal in a certain sense of living.
But life is about figuring out there's a lot of people that are going to live on the margins and you got to kind of figure out ways that that can work as a society.
Okay, but tell us why your preference is no.
No, because as I said, because it wouldn't, because I don't, as I said to them, like at some point, hope, I bet if I was to ask either one of you, at some point, you'd probably want to meet a guy that you'd really fall in love with and like be with him and have kids and have a family and everything else.
They may not be quite there yet.
So it's just sort of a step of getting to somewhere that you want to be.
I'm not sitting here selling sex work at all, but I'm also, I think it's a little hypocritical in a sense that virtually everyone watches porn, everyone does whatever they do.
Well, I'm not talking about anyone at this table.
I'm talking about, like, isn't it something like 70% of the internet traffic is porn, something like that?
Like, everyone is using all of this stuff or being part of it to some extent.
And then, like, looking at the people that are openly part of it and trying to explain what their life is and giving them shit for it, it just seems incredibly ironic.
I want to dig into why you're saying your preference for your children is for them to note.
I'm saying the same thing for them.
I think ultimately, if she met the greatest guy tomorrow and was like, I want to take care of you.
I want you to be the mother of my children, blah, blah, blah.
I suspect you would think that would be a better choice.
100%.
Yeah, Dave, Dave.
When it comes to just because you consume something doesn't mean that you have to actively participate it.
In other words, just because you have participation.
Right, but like, for example, I like to watch the NFL.
I don't want to go play in the NFL and go get CTE and go get a bunch of concussions.
I'm not obliged.
I like to watch the NFL.
If I think there are certain health risks for my son to participate in playing in the NFL, while I might enjoy watching the sport, I might admire their athleticism.
I might say to my son, you know, it might not be, listen, you're probably not going to play professionally.
Maybe you don't play in high school and get a bunch of concussions.
That's going to fuck you up.
Similarly with porn, just because you watch porn doesn't mean that you are then obliged to either date a woman who does porn or you're not obliged to encourage your son or daughter to watch or to become a porn actress.
Just because you watch it, I don't think it makes you happy.
He's saying that you think I said that.
I think he was saying your actions speak louder than your words.
And if you are ardently speaking out against porn, but then consuming it, that's like a massive contradiction for one.
And then two, in the example of like football or sex work, if you say that you're anti-sex work, but then you are supporting OnlyFans models or you are consuming pornography, paying and like putting money towards it, you are helping grow that industry and create and like, you know, voting with your dollar effectively.
By the way, you can also have an ideal in life that you're aiming towards that you're not always getting to, but that you're working towards.
So there might be some things you're doing along the way that if you're trying to get in a specific direction and you see what the end goal of what you want in life is, whatever that might be, whether it's that you want to be married and have kids or you want to build a great business or whatever, if you're going in that direction and doing it honestly and forthrightly, like my general feeling is that things will work out.
Do we agree at least that doing sex work is not an ideal path toward finding eventually?
Well, I didn't say, I didn't, again, I said several times, I suspect that you're agreeing with me.
Buddhism directly disagrees with self-fulfillment through selfish desires.
It is believed to be a hindrance to true enlightenment and the proper pleasures meant to be experienced in life.
So you're either full of it or not familiar with the practice.
Buddhism.
Okay, I'm not.
Well, I think kind of the so the initial conversation was your sister, she's an escort.
She does OnlyFans.
These two women are escorts.
They do they prostitute.
So sorry.
Okay.
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If my son brought home a prostitute as a girlfriend, he and I would have a long talk about where I effed up teaching him values and morality.
After I covered the sofa and chairs with plastic.
Okay, that was a good idea.
I love that one.
No, so they're involved in prostitution.
Your father is happy with it.
You said that your parents are supporting.
My parents know that I do OnlyFans and all of that.
Yeah.
Right.
And I think kind of where that whole thing stemmed from was I was saying that, and I'm not sure, I think maybe, Dave, you introduced the porn component into it.
So that's kind of where my train of thought was with my argument.
But you said most women or most men wouldn't want to date a sex worker, right?
Yeah.
And I do think, like, I don't know.
I don't think it's a parent should be, like, encouraging or cosigning sex work.
I mean, we're not saying that, oh, my God, our parents are, like, rooting for us to, like...
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Brian, it's time to Frank Castle.
No, it's fine.
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I think I agree with you, Brian, that most men, if you ask them, would say that they don't want to date a sex worker.
They don't want to date anyone who's involved in pornography or the porn industry.
But I think actions speak louder than words.
And if you pulled 100 random dudes from the street and asked if they had the opportunity to go out with like Mia Khalifa or Sasha Gray, do you think that they would say they don't want to?
If they do, it's because they're horny for her, not because they want to hurt her.
They still do it.
That's my point.
They can say that.
Like go out on a date with Mia Khalifa or Sasha Gray.
Because they see them as sexual objects they want to hook up with.
He said they wouldn't want to wife Mia Khalifa.
They might, even if they say yes, they might think they want to wife Mia Khalifa because she's hot, but that's not their brain.
If you pull 100 American guys, they wouldn't want to.
She's a kind of nasty bitch, and I'm not talking about.
Mia Khalifa's marriage broke down as a result of her porn career.
She said that her husband actually admitted to her that he was no longer comfortable with the fact that there were existing videos of her having sex with other men on the internet.
She said that that did contribute to the end of her marriage.
But I'm just asking, if you pulled like 100 American guys and asked them, would you like to go out on a date with Mia Khalifa right now?
You have the opportunity to, do you think that the majority would say no?
Depends what street you're on.
Average American guy got all the American people.
With Mia Khalifa?
But they go out on a date with Mia Khalifa.
Can't you think of someone who...
You tell us.
Just say one star in general.
Not one, because men have different preferences.
Out of a hundred guys, how many do you think would say no to a date with Mia Khalifa?
Well, okay, so they think it involves sex?
It doesn't matter.
Just a date.
It's the broad question.
They want to court.
They're going to be Mia Khalifa for marriage.
No, it's not.
The only question that they're being asked that these hundred men are being asked is, would you go on a date with Mia Khalifa right now?
We have a simp epidemic, so it could very well be the case that a high proportion of them say yes, but and my personal standard is, is, I mean, if you've done porn, because there's some guys' standard is, well, I would date them casually.
Like, I'd hook up with them, but I'd never take them seriously for a long-term relationship or marriage.
If a girl's involved in that kind of work, I don't want, I wouldn't even want casual sex with her.
I don't want to kiss her.
I don't want to go on a date.
Your personal preference.
You think they have to lie?
I think a lot of men probably, I don't know, majority, minority.
I think a lot of guys also just wouldn't want to even pursue it anyways.
But I do think there's a lot of simps.
There's a lot of simps, and there's a lot of men who get very little attention from men.
Holy fuck.
Excuse me.
Sorry.
I misspoke.
There's a lot of people that don't, that get very little attention from women.
The first day I moved to LA, I met a girl I really liked, found out she had a no F and I didn't care.
The more we hung out, the more feelings developed.
And the more the OF became a problem, so we broke up.
Once the surface novelty wore off, I had to end it.
This is what happened with Mia Khalifa's marriage.
So I could pull my audience, but I suspect you'd say, well, it's not representative.
Well, I was just asking you, average American, not your, because do you think your audience is like comprises of like the average American guy?
I would say like they, a large portion of my audience maybe wouldn't agree more so with my position on this.
So I don't know if it would be representative of the average guy.
The average American guy.
So you talked about, you said for your personal preference, no, but you really think that the average guy in America is saying no to a date with Mia Khalifa?
Okay, can I add something?
It's hard to say.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I think they, if they had the chance, they might say, I would never date a sex worker, but if they had the opportunity to date someone like Mia Khalifa, like a channel.
That's a simp epidemic.
But you were saying earlier that like, you know, men need to step up and tell women that they're not going to accept like, you know, girlfriends as pro like girlfriends as sex workers and stuff like that.
But I'm saying if I agree with you, the majority of guys already don't want that, but yet sex work industry is only getting larger and larger.
So I don't think male condemnation is putting women off of wanting to enter sex work at all.
And then especially when it's seeing it's so lucrative for some of them, you know, very few, but for the few that it is lucrative, it's just encouraging that.
All right, let me ask you.
Encouraging what?
From men to what?
If men financially support OnlyFans or sex workers in some way, then that's an endorsement of that behavior in a small way because you're voting with your dollar and you're expanding the industry.
There's a financial incentive there for women to enter into it.
Right.
Are you?
As long as I don't deny that simps exist.
I know that there are men who co-signs.
I'm talking about the average guy.
I think the average guy consumes pornography and the average guy is also consuming like OnlyFans and stuff like that.
Like I don't think that the infinite means that they would want to marry the women.
I never said that they'd want to marry them then.
Brian made the claim that they wouldn't even consider them.
That's not saying I don't think that's true.
He said he wouldn't consider them for marriage.
So his initial point was that he doesn't think guys want to have a long-term relationship or to wife a girl who's done sex work.
And then you were like, so if you pulled all these men and asked them if they would go on a date, a date isn't marriage.
I never said a date was marriage.
I don't think these girls chose to come into the prostitution business.
It came into them.
P.S.
No, Mia is a terrorist sympathizer.
Let's not get into that.
That's true.
But his initial point was marriage and long-term relationship.
And then you brought up a completely separate point of one date.
And he said, yes, that they probably would because simps exist.
So what are we arguing?
It's just about a relationship, I think.
I assume would take the Mia date if they think she's hot and might get laid out of it.
But the majority of them wouldn't want something long-term with her since all their boys have seen her naked.
Guys don't want to wife that.
It's common sense.
Hence, if you're in the comments, that's right.
You're really hesitant to say that most guys wouldn't take a date with her.
It seemed like you thought, like, maybe they take a date, but we have simps, or like, they wouldn't be really doing it to like get to know her and be doing it to hook up.
They think they'll do it.
You're welcome, Stochastic.
Long day.
As you know, I'm going to do that after this coming up.
It's totally legal.
At first, my parents didn't like it.
I've retired them, and now they're proud of me.
Everything is legal.
People who are negatively impacted aren't my problem.
Legal.
Legal.
So confused.
This is probably a little bit more.
Maybe he's joking.
Oh.
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Yo, thank you.
Thank you guys.
Thank you guys so much.
Has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness.
To the girl in the back, yes, your father is a weak man.
I am disgusted by Mia K, not even with 10-foot pole.
That is Dr. Nabla.
Yeah, my father's not a weak man.
He was in the Vietnam War, so he actually served this country, so he is not a weak man.
I really disagree with that.
She says weak virtue.
My only point is that guys may say that they wouldn't do it, but when the opportunity is presented, I think a lot more men suddenly would start doing an action speak louder than words.
I've done a social experiment on Tinder.
You've done a social experiment on Tinder?
Yep.
I've been doing it.
Isn't it the case?
If I recall the previous show you were on, you said that if you're just casually dating a guy, you do not disclose that you're a person.
even make it past the texting point like i'll i'll be like yeah but you said you will meet up with guys hook up with them be on dates Outside of my job, I do not go and hook up with guys.
Yeah, I think you should.
I think we talked about that last time.
No, I'm good.
No, I don't think you're good.
I don't want to go hook up with people.
No, no, no, sorry.
I didn't mean that.
I mean, you should disclose, even if it's a casual sexual encounter, I do think you should disclose.
I honestly think I'm gray sexual.
What does that even mean?
So it's like, when I just gray sexual.
What does that mean? Do you know what it is?
Did you pull that out of the way?
Like, kind of men and women sexual.
And men and women both.
Bisexual.
Not bisexual.
You're just not really affected by sex one way or the other.
Okay.
Right.
That makes sense.
And so I'm not like, exactly.
Outside of my work, in my profession, I'm trying to...
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So you're saying gray sexual is you are not affected by sex.
What is that?
I just, like, outside of work, I don't just go and date guys and hook up with guys outside of work.
I'm not.
What is gray sexual?
Define gray sexual, please.
I don't.
I don't.
I'm not.
I don't think you love who you love.
Yeah.
It's like, what does that mean?
It means I don't need to have sex all the time.
So it's like, I don't know.
I'm not afraid.
What?
It's like, if you're looking at it in your brain, I feel like her.
Maybe when it comes to sex, oxytocin, that's what gets released, just doesn't really get released very much for her.
So she's just inaffected one way or the other when it comes to sex, no matter the gender, no matter whatever.
Like, I like what I like, and like.
Wait, okay, hold on.
That's what gray sexual sounds like it would be.
Okay, maybe that's you are desensitized.
I'm not desensitized.
I'm not desensitized.
You might be desensitized.
There might be a little desensitization, just a tad.
No, a little bit of a partner that I want to pursue, there needs to be an emotional connection for me to be able to want to pursue that.
Okay, that's not a sexual orientation.
I think that is demisexuality.
Right?
Demisexual?
If I could pull out my phone right now, needing an emotional connection to have sexual attraction, that is normal sexuality.
But you need the definition.
You don't need to get up.
I'll just look it up.
She's about to Google.
Gray sexual.
Here, while she does that, hold on.
I need to read this chat.
This is the first time I've heard of gray sexual.
Hold on.
Yeah, me too.
Stop, stop, guys.
Stop.
Bender the offender.
Thank you, man.
Ladies, if a woman you know just had their first child prioritized her career and 10 years later, she did not know she was going to pass on.
Do you think the mother should have gone further in her career?
Now imagine if you were that mother.
Oh, first child pride work.
Wait, just for the really quick to you.
Do you want kids one day?
Me?
Yeah.
Yes.
Do you want to have kids?
Do you have kids?
No.
I have no kids.
Do you want a daughter or son?
I want kids.
would you let's say your daughter came to you and she was like hey mom i want to start escorting i want to I want to become a prostitute.
Would you be like, go for it, honey?
Or would you try to direct her to not go down that path?
I mean, it depends.
You know, that's her life or his or her.
You wouldn't give her counsel?
No, I'm saying like I would, but it's just like, I don't really know how I would explain it, I guess.
Yeah, I mean, like, my kid, like, the way I grew up, like I said, my dad, you know, woman cooks and cleans and stuff like that.
But like I said, my dad also taught us to be very independent.
So my sister chose to go down as a sex worker routine.
My other sisters, they work.
Like, we all work regular jobs, you know.
But I feel like maybe I don't think my daughter would end up doing that.
But if the possibility were to occur, I'd probably give her some safety notes on what she did.
But would you do anything to try to prevent her from doing it, telling her how disappointed you would be?
Trying to, I don't know what kind of maneuvers you could make to try to discourage her from getting into that profession.
I don't think I would ever tell my daughter, like, I'm very disappointed in you.
Shame on you because that's what you want to do.
See, we need to bring shame.
Because you love your daughter.
You got to bring shame back.
I'm not getting it wrong, but like I said, I don't think my daughter would even ever consider being a sex.
Why do you think that?
Sorry, hold on just a second.
You're either straight or you're gay.
You're either male or female.
Okay.
It actually leaves me with a dark depression that this is the dating market I get to choose from.
Also, Heineken Madison C. All right.
Thank you, Brandon.
Thank you.
You said you love your daughter, so love is not acceptance.
Acceptance and love don't go hand in hand at all.
In fact, if you love somebody and you feel something is right, you want to push them to what is right.
You're not going to accept them being that.
I meant something that you think, whether I'm not even talking about sex work.
If you think something's damaging to your child, whether it's sex work or not, whatever it is, and they're going to do that, you're not going to be like, okay, sweetheart, I love you, so I'm going to accept that you're doing something damaging.
Love is an acceptance.
So why are you guys so stuck on letting people do what they want or what they want in life?
It's damaging and it's your child.
You're not going to want your child to do something that you think is dangerous, most likely.
I'm speaking for myself and she's speaking for her sister.
So I'm saying, like, to you, why do you care so much about what I got to do with my life?
Right.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
My daughter wants to go ahead and get it.
I'm not going to tell her.
I'm not hurting nobody.
I'm not hurting nobody.
We care that you are doing this with your life because we think that it's a damaging thing to do.
No, you don't.
That's just like me saying I would care if my daughter was gay or not.
Like, if that's what she's doing.
That's totally different.
In my heart of mind.
That's totally different.
I actually do think that what you do for a living is damaging and debasing and degrading.
And I actually do care in your life.
You might be right.
Mary Morgan might not directly care about you, but she's on here to preach what she thinks is right, just like you're on here to preach what you think is right to the public.
She doesn't care in a whole lot of people.
No, that's what I'm saying.
You asked why we're basically why we're preaching this.
And that's because it's not just about you.
It's about the general public that's watching this.
This is what we think is right, so we're going to talk about it.
And you're doing the same.
But not everybody's going to live up to your standards, and not everybody's going to want to do exactly what you're doing.
And I could say the same thing to what you're saying.
But I know that, though.
I'm not trying to convince anybody else how to live their life and what to do.
I'm living my life for myself.
I'm doing what I got to do, but to live freely.
So why are you saying that?
I'm not on this podcast.
Yeah, I was just about to say that.
Because why are you saying I'm advocating for sex work?
Because I'm not on this podcast as much as you are.
We are all on this podcast.
We have our own different opinions and everything.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
I want to get these two girls up.
My other two TMs did not treat it because of the bad word, I guess.
Did I read it?
You should shame your kids when they did something shameful.
SW is shameful.
We know it is shameful because we have spent an hour attempting to justify it.
Morals.
I think that means the opposite.
If we have to debate over it so much, I think it's not agreeable.
It's shameful.
Grid one.
He said, ooh, gross AF.
No way I'm risking Mr. Happy for a ride on, I can't say that word, sorry.
For a ride with a girl.
Okay, I wanted to know actually, why are you on this podcast?
Because we came together.
We came together.
Why?
They invited me back.
And I'm here to talk about debate.
Debate about what we're talking about.
Shows me.
Okay.
And we're saying our opinion, and your response is, why do you care so much?
We told you why we care, and you're saying, you don't care.
Like, I'm just saying.
There's no way that we can prove what you said.
Somebody telling somebody else how to live their life.
I don't think that that's you caring.
Like, if the person is doing well and is living their life how they're living, that is what I was talking about.
My point is, I don't think that you are doing well.
I don't think that is possible.
I don't think that is compatible with what you do for a living, which is letting men.
Well, but that beauty of America is that it doesn't matter what you think relative to her life as long as she's not breaking the law.
I actually don't necessarily disagree with you philosophically.
Like when you asked me, would I want my kids to go into sex work?
The answer is obviously no.
But then what I'm saying is that I'm not always, though.
For the reasons that you're arguing, right?
Yeah, I'm not defending sex work per se, but I will defend a human being who is sitting across from me, who is doing nothing illegal with her life.
That clearly he's running a hell of a podcast, making a shit ton of money while to talk about these issues so people care about these things.
And she was brave enough to come here and talk about it.
I'm not disagreeing with the philosophical precept that sex work has issues, obviously, but it doesn't mean that everyone involved in it is somehow deeply corrupt or somehow ruining society or anything else.
Again, I would say, and you both nodded when I said that maybe one day you'll find a guy and then you'll be like, all right, I did that, and you might regret it or not regret it, or have kids or not have kids, but you're probably not going to be doing it when you're 60.
I don't think you guys have illusions that you will.
But at the end of the day, you want to just, what do you want to do?
You want to jail her?
Like, what do you want to do with her?
And I think it's illegal.
I think it's illegality.
I thank you so much for reacting that way.
You know what I mean?
Because although, like you say, you don't agree with it completely and whatever, you're still kind, compassionate, and you're treating me like a human being.
And thank you.
This all stemmed from you or Nick.
Can you?
Okay.
This all stemmed from you saying that your parents were supportive, or I forget the exact wording.
Respect.
Was it respect?
I don't know exactly.
I was just a bit surprised because that's typically not normal for parents to be like really enthusiastically happy.
I mean, they weren't jumping for joy.
They weren't jumping for joy or anything like that.
Sure.
You know?
Okay.
But I feel like we got here.
We were never going to be able to get it.
Hold on, stop.
You two haven't really been able to speak much.
I want to try to bring you in.
I think you both were kind of shaking your heads and I'll know in disagreement a little bit.
Your thoughts and then your thoughts.
Go ahead.
I just think it depends on the person.
And if they like what they're doing and they're happy, I feel like it should be like a question.
Like if they're doing what they want to do and they're happy.
And if it's not damaging to them, maybe it might be damaging to you if you did it, but for her, it's not.
Okay, what about you?
I agree with what she's saying.
And I'm into the mic, please.
Straight into the mic.
Sorry.
We started talking about this because someone said something about them not having respect for themselves.
But I don't think that's the case at all, if I'm being honest.
And I don't think anybody who they're with or anything doesn't have respect for them either.
I mean, if we're being honest, like what he said, like about watching porn and stuff and like paying for OnlyFans and all this stuff, like you're playing into it and supporting it.
Yeah, you're supporting it.
But and then everyone who's disagreeing with what they say and how you were surprised, I understand why you were surprised about her parents being happy, but I don't understand you being surprised about her parents supporting her.
Because I think you're a parent.
I mean, I'm not, but I'm saying like if I did have a child, of course, like if it was them getting into like this type of work, like I wouldn't be like super enthusiastic about it.
But anything that they do, like even like you brought up the football example and how it was similar.
I don't think that that's similar at all.
What you said about the similarities, I think that made sense, but I think the two things aren't similar.
And yeah, I just think like if I had a kid, like no matter what they're doing, like I'm going to support.
Period.
No matter what.
What if they're drug dealing?
Now that's actually hurting somebody.
Yeah, that's hurting.
If they're not hurting anybody, they're not hurting themselves.
I just, it's it though because we're not really in media work.
It's really legalized mirror walking.
I think illegal sex work we were advertising.
We're on a legal brand where we get tested once a week on the spot for STDs, for HIV and AIDS.
Provide you a safe spot to come hang out with the girls at the bunny ranch.
Sure.
So, yeah, like I'm not surprised that her parents are supportive of it, especially because you've gone like through the legal avenues.
You're doing it at one of the few legalized brothels that there is in the United States.
And like, I've seen HBO's cat house, and like they have monitors.
They have, I don't know if they still have cameras watching all the interactions.
It's like it's legal, it's above board.
So, if there ever were to be a scenario where a parent is actually more than fine with their parent being a sex worker, I feel like it would be them because they're doing it.
Even if something is legal, I don't necessarily think it means that perhaps a parent might not be enthused if their child is a I'm trying to think of a I don't know.
Well, the question is: Do you want to do you want to legalize, do you want to institutionalize or criminalize your morality?
So, again, I'm not defending sex work, but are like ultimately, do you want to put them in jail?
Like, what is what do you want to do?
Please, I want to know people who are making who are prostitution.
It's the oldest business in the history of the world, so it's going to happen one way or another.
That's just a fact.
It's just a fact.
But by the way, by the way, I can also make partly the other argument, which would be that I do smoke weed every now and again.
I used to smoke a lot of weed, but I smoke weed maybe once a week for like five minutes to watch a Simpson and go to bed.
But the more weed has become legal, I actually do see it as a problem.
Because if any of you guys have been to New York City lately, the city has completely fallen apart because it stinks like weed everywhere because everyone's stoned everywhere, or go to San Francisco or even out here in Santa Barbara, like it smells like weed everywhere.
Over time, that's not good for society.
So, I can make a sort of counter-argument to it.
But at the end of the day, you can have your own personal moral beliefs that you can instill in your family and hope that your children will take those and build families that are similar.
Or you got to be like, I'm going to jail an awful lot of people or kill an awful lot of people.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
If I can bring it back, I think this ultimately stemmed from a conversation we were having to kind of bring it back into context with dating.
I think we should maybe stray away from sex work bad, sex work good.
Let's try to bring it, center it back to how it relates to dating.
And I think, generally speaking, most men do not want to date women who are sex workers.
I feel like that also just literally depends on your partner.
Like, you have to have that connection with your partner and talk all the time, like with that partner that you have.
So, say she's a sex worker, like, sorry, sorry, you are a sex worker, right?
But if a man were to come up to you and you guys started getting to know each other a little bit more, and like maybe a year goes by and he said, Hey, I don't want you to be a sex worker no more.
I want you to, you know, get a regular job maybe, and I could take care of you.
Like, you'd probably be like, Yeah, yeah, of course.
Like I said, it depends on your partner on who you are talking to.
I'm just looking men are allowed to have a preference standard or boundary.
Yeah, no, I'm saying a lot of men do that, and vice versa.
Yeah, sure.
But this pushback on men having this standard of not wanting to date women who are prostitutes, it's like to me, do you guys think that there's a large majority of men that want to date women who are or were involved in prostitution?
Most men do not want to have long-term romantic relationships or probably even casual short-term relationships with women who are or were prostitutes.
I don't think that's a controversial I'm with you.
I don't think they want long-term relationships with sex workers, but even the short-term and hookup, I definitely think they'd be way like a lot of men would be way more open to that idea than you're willing to admit.
Well, let's let's all we also have because sex work is such a broad thing because that that could be anything from tasteful lingerie photos to like straight data.
So, prostitution, large majority of men would not want short-term or long-term romantic dating with prostitutes.
OnlyFans, porn, it's probably a higher proportion of men.
And we can go on.
I think they'll say that, but things change, you know?
Like, people, they'll go in thinking, like, even if it's short-term or whatever, you don't really choose who you fall in love with.
I think it's entirely possible.
Like, guys fall in love with strippers and sex workers all the time.
All the time.
And there's been successful men that have married and/or dated girls that are in the sex workers.
That's an L. That's a big L for the dude.
That's a huge L.
And you may think that, but to others, not so much.
What's your purpose of having girls like them on the show?
What do you mean?
What's the reason that you bring like a whole bunch of girls, sex workers, and just like cute girls?
What's my question?
What's your purpose to bring them on the show?
I actually don't mean that.
I don't mean to say that.
Yeah, like I said, I'm just trying to understand something because there are arguments like this.
Yeah, no, no, no, because you could be having these conversations with people that are dressed differently and not showing off their boobs and everything else, unless people would watch and you'd make less money, right?
Like, that's how it works.
So everyone's playing a game to a certain extent.
I don't mean that judgy to you.
I really don't.
But I'm trying to understand the nature of you have these girls here.
Sure.
There's a reason you bring them on, right?
Well, I mean, I suppose there's a reason I bring on everybody onto the show, but I mean, they initially, I think you reached out to me for your first appearance.
But I mean, I think you also reached out to me.
More people will watch if you bring on girls dressed a certain way, right?
Like that's a good idea.
Well, I didn't think that's a good idea.
I think I shall tell them how to dress.
He's making a lot of fun.
There's a lot of boobs on his table, right?
Like there's a reason for that.
I mean, you should be asking them why they dress the way they do, not me.
Grid one motorsports donated $100.
Decaying morals is a decaying society.
Calling people out on it as shameful and not being afraid to stand up and say that is disgusting and there is no way I will even be your friend is lacking but needed.
But men are shamed for saying I do not want to 304.
I have a question.
Yeah.
My question is: so I like to come on these podcasts because I think that perhaps maybe to somebody who is watching, who so I've had experiences in sexual healing with recovering incels.
And keep going, Kiri.
And they're really, the people that I've met, I've had experiences with them.
And I think that is that a healthy place for them to go, like a brothel in a sense where it's safe.
Nobody's going to claim anything against them.
Nobody's going to do anything against them.
They can get their needs met.
And it's a legal, safe place rather than like, you know, they go on the internet to find something and then all of a sudden it's a man in like Timbuktu or something.
And I think that it's healthy for the brothel, you know, to be there for these men that just want and have that experience and that genuine experience.
I think it could be truthfully.
I'm not even sure that I'm, I don't even think that I'm against legal prostitution.
Yeah.
But when it comes to dating, I would advise men not to date women who are involved in sex work.
Me personally, I would not want to date a woman who is involved in sex work.
I think it's a perfectly reasonable and valid standard of preference to have.
It's not so much that I'm, maybe it's more so Mary that might have an issue with it.
I honestly, like, I don't know if I have really an issue with illegal prostitution, but purely from like, hey, saying it's okay for men to not want to date women who are involved in think men are entitled to have their preferences when it comes to who they date.
I went to ask Dave, so I saw a TTS that said, like, you're a conservative or you're a fascist or like, what is like politically, what it was.
Like, what is your political label?
Fascist.
I'm definitely a fascist.
Right-wing extremists.
I mean, well, everyone, well, I've gone very hard on the woke, and I was one of the first people calling out woke stuff like a decade ago before the phrase woke was around.
And I've always considered myself liberal in the true sense of liberalism, which is about free speech and individual rights and limited government and that sort of thing, which now is more thought of as libertarian.
But, I mean, I'm gay married.
I would say I'm begrudgingly approaching.
Who did you vote for in the last election?
I voted for Trump last time.
And the one before I voted for Gary Johnson, who was the pothead libertarian.
So you supported the GOP.
Do you think most conservatives have the view on sex work that you do and kind of this laissez-faire attitude of like, even if, you know, I'm more on the libertarian side of probably what a Republican is, but I know that some people have issues with my life, right?
So like the exchange you have in a free society is that you have to grant, again, you can have an ideal of what you want society to be.
And that ideal is what you should try to do, I think, in your home and your community and everything else.
But in a pluralistic society where we have 350 million people that are every color and religion and have every thought process and philosophy, you've got to figure out a system that is going to allow people to live as they wish.
And sometimes you're not going to like it.
So which candidate are you going to like support in this?
Oh, I live in Florida.
I mean, I think DeSantis is probably the best candidate we've had in modern times.
I feel like if you're talking about libertarian values, I feel like DeSantis has some of the worst record when it comes to that.
Just because he is his abortion ban in his state, like did you support the abortion ban?
So the abortion ban is the one thing that I personally disagree with him.
Florida had 15 weeks, which I'm fine with.
Look, first off, it's a much bigger topic than we can probably do here.
Right.
Or like restricting access to contraception.
I know he also supported that.
Just on the abortion thing, he's the governor of the state.
So abortion after Roe v. Wade, as I'm sure you know, was kicked back to the US.
Overturned.
Super unpopular.
Yeah.
I think it was the right choice because abortion, regardless of your feelings on abortion, abortion was not a constitutionally guaranteed right.
That's what the case is.
According to the Ninth Amendment, we have rights that aren't explicitly enumerated in the Constitution.
And even with Roe v. Wade and stuff like that, I feel like the majority of Americans didn't support that decision.
60% of Americans are in favor of abortion.
We don't legislate based on the majority.
The Supreme Court of the United States decided that abortion was not a constitutional abortion.
Pushing it back to the states, right?
It didn't make abortion illegal.
It just pushed it abortion.
But he wants a federal abortion ban.
So that the Republican line was like, I've never heard him say he wants a federal abortion ban.
He wants a heartbeat bill, which is what he has in Florida.
I personally disagree with him on that specific thing.
But beyond that, I don't think I have any real disagreements with him.
I think he's pushed woke out of schools.
I think he's done more in terms of fighting the insane culture wars than anybody.
I think he's probably the most sort of morally clear leader in terms of.
Even with the Disney stuff?
Yeah, it was great what he did with Disney.
Absolutely.
If you're like a libertarian and if you think the market should decide, right?
Like he's interfering with the market side.
No, You're confused as to what he did.
Disney had special laws and regulations and tax breaks and an airport and a whole bunch of stuff that crony capitalists before him put in and he removed it.
So he made it more libertarian.
Libertarian is that you want an evening.
Would you say you're like a classical liberal?
They had special rights.
Disney had special rights that SeaWorld didn't have and Gatorworld didn't have that, Right?
So he took away their special rights.
That's evening the playing field.
So that would regulate.
That would be the classical.
No, it's not regulation.
It's removing special privilege.
Dave, you're a fake conservative.
You're a liberal, disguised, truly disappointed.
Also, women who do S work is just women who never got attention.
And any man who lets their daughter is a disgrace and not a liberal.
Again, I just said, I'm not a traditional conservative.
I'm gay, married.
I'm begrudgingly pro-choice.
We could probably go.
I mean, my first book was a defense of liberalism, actually.
But I think you're just a little confused as to what the Disney statement is.
No, I'm saying that what you're talking about, like, oh, he came in and he removed this or whatever.
It's still a Republican governor interfering with the market.
And if you refer to yourself as a liberal in the classical sense, that means that there's not really supposed to be that specialized thing.
No, well, I don't believe in no government.
I'm not an anarchist.
I believe that government should be used for specific things.
One thing government should be used for is to make sure that certain companies aren't treated better than other companies because of political preferences.
So all he did was remove that.
So now Disney has to operate under the same exact laws that see world.
The civilian stuff and the contraceptive stuff alone conflict with your purported libertarian values so much because to restrict access to contraception or like defunding contraception, wouldn't you say that that's an intrusion upon like people's individual limitations?
No, he's not.
I mean, I don't know what you're saying.
He's not stopping anyone from getting condoms or getting birth control or something of that nature.
He is by restricting access to contraception.
I can't remember what the name of it is, but between his abortion ban for his state, which is again it's not an abortion ban.
You can say it's an abortion ban, but it's not.
He has a heartbeat bill, six weeks.
You may personally disagree with it, but then you shouldn't live in Florida.
You have to figure out what your hierarchy of important ideas is, right?
And if you put abortion, if you put eight-month abortions at the highest, you probably just shouldn't live in Florida.
That's the duty of states' rights.
Right, but then the Constitution, as like a federal document, has to guarantee some certain rights to people regardless of like the individual state that you're in.
It's the rights that are in the Constitution.
Shouldn't they not be intruding upon people's right to get access to like contraception and to abortion?
Well, there's no right to contraception.
But there are so many rights that are not explicitly enumerated in the Constitution.
Right, so you leave those things to the state.
So again, if you don't like the things that DeSantis is doing.
He and the right wing are calling for these like federal abortion bans, which are ridiculously unpopular.
But if you don't support them, that's good.
Like you're saying you don't support a federal abortion ban?
No, I don't know because it has nothing to do with the federal government.
I don't, right?
It has nothing to do.
We just reversed Roe v. Wade, kicked it back to the states.
The states were a fair choice.
Mitch McConnell was calling for a federal abortion ban.
Yeah, I don't know that I've ever heard him say that, but I'm certainly not for that.
Here, let's bring it back to dating here.
And Dave, we have, I think, about 10-ish more minutes.
Is there anything dating-related that you would like to talk about?
Anything dating related that I would like to talk about?
Since we have you for another 10 minutes here, any topics you'd like to hit on?
I think the trick is you just have to find somebody that will just like push you in the ways that will make you a little bit better.
You know what I mean?
Like if you're a big kind of blue sky thinker, then you should have someone that's like a granule thinker.
And then you can go and build great things together.
Like for me in my life right now, like I work very hard and I do this and it's had a lot of rewards, obviously, financial and otherwise.
And my husband does most, we don't have help.
We have his sister-in-law is helping us, but we don't have like hired help at the home.
And he's doing most of the work with the kids during the day.
And then I do my show and I come out and I'm changing diapers and then I run back in and I'm on Fox and I go back and I'm going to either another diaper.
But he's doing that.
Like we figured out a way.
You have to find somebody that basically just like that your life will be a good blended kind of holistic thing.
And if you can do that, every couple that I've ever met that if they do that when you're with them and you're like, oh, you're not constantly trying to school generation 100%.
That's the trick.
Also forgot to say love you in the podcast.
Brian, keep up the good work.
Hey, Elijah, thank you, Elijah.
Excuse me.
Thank you very much, man.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And my question was, so question, so companies, I just never knew that.
Companies are just, you said that.
Is it dating related?
Let's try to.
No.
Okay.
Maybe.
Let's try to keep it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If we can.
Did you have anything else?
I think you're a little confused about what he did with Disney.
I think there was like clear market intervention there, but I mean, if you don't support his contraception.
He's removed it.
He removed it.
Do you understand?
Like, they had special privileges and he removed them.
That's what you would want a conservative to do, right?
You would want people to make the playing field even.
That's the difference.
If he had been out there, like, oh, we'll give SeaWorld special privileges, that would be a problem, right?
Like, if you owned a business, you wouldn't want the government to give your competitor special privileges because I think if it's lucrative for your state, like Disney is a massive multi-billion corporate conglomerate for him to interfere in the market like that, just like not even speaking to whether it's right or wrong.
I think it's like a huge point of hypocrisy for him to like go back on that and interfere.
You know, interfere with the market like that.
And Dave, what do you think about feminism?
What do you think about feminism?
I think that third wave feminism has led to many of the problems that we're discussing here today, basically, would be the short answer of that.
What's the longer?
The longer version of it would be that I think that the heart of what you're saying, which is actually the heart of what you're saying, is that basically most people, putting aside gay straight or anything else, most people want to find a person that they love and that they can build a life with and that is good and decent.
And sometimes getting there is a little bit messy or a little bit different.
And I usually talk about things from a societal perspective or a political perspective.
So I'm just trying to figure out a way to build a society, which we had in America for a long time.
And I would say we're getting very close to throwing away completely, which would understand that there are people that do what you do for a living and what you do for a living and that there are people who are totally religiously against those things.
And how do you blend enough of a society so you're literally not jailing people and killing people and turning neighbor against neighbor?
The best way to do that, I think, is a classically liberal perspective.
So when people say I'm not a conservative, it's like, I guess I'm not.
In a real, I would say I'm a modern conservative because it's conservatives that are actually defending all of those liberal values.
But the best thing, they absolutely are.
I'll send you a copy of my first book.
You'll like it.
I want one, but especially if you're not.
I know me too.
You guys, I'll send all three of you the book.
But the point is, the best thing you can do in a society is figure out, okay, is there something to aim for?
And then what are the laws we can have so that people will have some individual choice within that and live a life that is hopefully decent?
Otherwise, I mean, why do communist regimes end up, or any authoritarian regime, end up killing an awful lot of people?
There's a reason for it.
They promise you utopia, but the problem is humans are imperfect, so we can't build perfect systems.
Dave, do you think male privilege is a thing?
Male privilege?
Male privilege.
What are your thoughts on that?
I don't really, I don't think that any of these privilege things are real.
You know, some people are born rich and Blow it.
Some people are born poor and do really well.
Like, that's the story that everyone loves in every movie: the guy who's born with nothing and abused and blah, blah, blah, and came for nothing and become something great.
Like, the hero's journey is that whatever the shit is that you have, whatever your shit is, right?
You came from a broken family or you came from a super wealthy family that ignored you the whole time, or whatever.
Like, the hero's journey is figuring out what your set of stuff is, right?
And taking it and not just letting it own you forever, which almost everyone that you will meet in life does, almost everyone, literally.
And if you can figure out a way to take that stuff and take it with you on your adventure and then eventually figure out how to put it aside and then live the life you're supposed to live, man, you will be happy and fulfilled and you will probably be successful and accomplish everything you want to accomplish.
Okay.
So, privilege, male privilege, female privilege, that's just irrelevant to me in a way.
I think we're getting pretty close to here on the time.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Phoenix, are we seven more minutes?
Seven minutes.
Okay.
Yo, AB check, thank you for the 20 gifted memberships.
Thank you.
Let me get a couple chats here.
Why not?
We have this is from about 23 minutes ago.
Ox Maxi, absolutely base take from Dave.
So I'm not sure exactly what it's in reference to, but also I watched, I love watching Madison pulling faces and stuff in the background.
Madison standing from London.
Unfortunately, she hears Ox, she hears you.
She's just behind the scenes here, but she hears you.
And then we have Grid coming in.
Grid One Motorsports donated $100.
For the panel, as much damage do you feel feminism has done to dating and relationships?
How can the patriarchy help you today?
How can patriarchy help you today?
Is that the question?
Yeah, what's a little confused by that?
You know, if I learned anything on this show, it's that I don't do super chats.
I'm really leaving a lot of money on the table.
This grid guy watched my show.
Yeah.
AB Check, thank you.
Usually it is tonight.
It's been very maybe I should have boosted it for tonight's show.
Normally it's not this frequent, the interruptions, but it was healthy, I guess.
That's good.
So Grid 1, thank you.
So how can the patriarchy help you today?
Is that, I don't know, I don't know how the girls would answer that question.
What is the patriarchy?
What's the patriarchy?
Well, I think they mean how can the idea of finding a man who will take care of you basically so that you can maybe have kids and take care of the home, does that work for you?
Do you guys think the patriarchy is based and you love it?
Wait, no, I'm so confused.
What's the question, guys?
What is the patriarchy?
Maybe it's how much damage do you think feminism has done to dating today?
But he did a typo there.
Well, he does say, or well, as much, oh, how much damage does it mean?
How much damage has feminism done?
Do you think guys, here's a let me rephrase it if you don't mind, grid one.
Do you guys think that feminism has done damage to dating and relationships?
I think it's.
Well, if you look at statistically.
Well, hold on.
Let's start with you.
We'll go around the table.
Can we start over here and grow?
No, no, no.
Start out.
I just really don't know.
Okay, fine.
Go ahead.
Repeat the question.
Sorry.
Do you think feminism has done damage to dating and relationships?
I suppose specifically within male-female relationships.
No.
You don't think it's damaged the relationships?
I think you disagree with me, but what's an example of how feminism has damaged dating?
Well, the basic idea would be selling women the idea that if you're career-oriented and you just chase all of that instead of chasing finding a man, getting married, being a mother, all of those things, that that will somehow leave you fulfilled.
And in almost every case, we just know that that's simply not true, which is probably a shitty thing for a guy that's 47 to say to a 20, I don't know how old you are.
Right, but like it probably actually is true.
And not probably.
I feel like people kind of present this false dichotomy.
It doesn't mean that women shouldn't be equal, but that the idea of feminism selling this thing that you have to be out there working all day and not home for your, like we all know, like my mom, when my parents got married, my parents have been married 50 something years.
They still live in the house that I grew up in since I was three years old.
My mom was working before, I'm the oldest.
My mom was working before I went to school.
Then she stopped working for like 20 years.
My sister's 10 years younger than me.
She made us breakfast every day.
We came home.
She was there to open the door every day.
All my friends, my house was the place we went to.
It created a type of stability and all of those things.
And then that gave her worth.
And then she then did go back to work after.
But the idea that you would go be a lawyer and go like be in corporate America and brand, you know, they sold, feminism sold something that fundamentally is probably not totally true.
Not to say that there aren't exceptions to that, because of course there are.
I just see it as like this false dichotomy that you can either decide between like a career and a family where it's like obvious that men manage to like have children and have like very successful corporate careers.
I think women are finding it increasingly just possible for them to go to school, have a stable job for a few years.
They have kids, they end up raising those kids.
But then as soon as the kids are like right back in school, they want to go back right back to work.
And I don't see that as like a negative thing, I guess, like Brian maybe does.
Or no, yes.
What's negative?
About like women working and also like raising families at the same time.
I don't think those are mutually exclusive.
Well, I think that the lie at the center of that in feminism is that you can do both of those things to the fullest capacity.
And the truth is like one of those things has to take priority.
You can't be the CEO and the supermom at the same time.
And that lie makes a lot of women at the end of the day feel inadequate.
Kim Karnataka.
Because Kim Carson's a super mom.
Kim Karnataka.
The woman who's been divorced multiple times and she has a lot of people who are in the world.
I don't think she's done that.
Rich people don't raise their kids for the most part.
If you become wealthy enough that you're like a CEO of a Fortune 500 company, what like wealthy people have in common with like lower income people is that they get other people to raise their kids because they get nanny.
Well, we don't know that though.
That's so, it could be different.
That's not a good thing.
It seems to me that I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I'm just saying it's what ends up happening.
Like their kids aren't just like latchkey kids at home or whatever.
Like they end up outsourcing that or whatever because they don't personally depict.
I can tell you it's actually a deeply depressing thing truly because I have a lot of friends that are super rich and we're obviously doing okay and I could live that life if I wanted and we made a very conscious choice not to do that because that's not what we want in our home for our kids.
You have a successful career and you managed.
You said you have two one-year-olds.
Yeah.
And you managed to like strike a balance, right?
Like have you seen like have you seen your work or like household income decrease ever since you had your kids?
No, but my husband has fully 100%.
He doesn't work a full-time job in that sense, but he has a job that's way more important than my job, actually.
My job's bringing money into the house, but his job is keeping these kids alive and going and he's doing it incredibly.
Once they become like in school, do you think he's going to just return back to work?
Yeah.
I think that's what most women do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dave, it is seven.
That's 16.
All right.
Dave, I'm going to a sex revolution.
Wait, really, really quick.
Are we really you?
Dude, it's so funny.
What's up?
Yeah.
Do you do like debates or conversations on your thing?
Would you ever debate Sam Cedar?
No, he's a horrible, horrible human being.
You wouldn't debate him?
No, no.
But you're into like open exchange of ideas and stuff, right?
No, he's a trash human being.
Why?
No, because he's done like a thousand videos about me that are all nonsense.
I've never even talked about him.
What a boring way to, not boring, what an unfortunate way to have me walk off.
No, he's like a really terrible person.
I didn't get into the internet to like just endlessly destroy everybody and everything else.
I like talking to people that I can have enlightened conversations with.
And like some people just want endless destruction for I think you should give Sam a chance.
I think you guys would have a really good conversation.
Yeah, you're a troll.
I knew something was up with you this year.
No, I'm not.
I knew they think that.
No, no, no, no.
I couldn't quite figure it out with you, but all right, you don't get the book.
You guys get the book.
Oh, wow.
Okay, Dave.
Thanks for coming, man.
You got it.
All right.
Don't expose you.
You're going to email me.
Your phone.
Your phone.
Madison.
Madison.
Thank you.
Thanks for coming, Dave.
Appreciate it.
Madison.
It was so nice.
Yeah, thank you.
Wait, wait, no, Can we keep the show going?
A hug.
Really?
You need to do a hug, really?
Is a hug necessary?
Yeah, he was nice.
All right.
Okay, let me do a couple chats because we need to get caught up on a few.
John Galt, I don't know if you're still watching.
Sorry, this came in a while ago.
It fell off my thing, so I'm not going to be able to visually bring it up.
But John Galt asks, can you ask Mary if she sees herself as more feminine or masculine?
I think TradCon women like her are smart, principled, logical, and assertive.
But paradoxically, these qualities come across as masculine.
Like, I would vote for her, but not date her.
Do you have a response?
I think that my public persona is a lot different from who I am in private and who I am in my relationship.
But you're right, there are traits that women don't normally have that make it easier for me to be a public person who speaks on the internet and has convictions.
Like, I was kind of trying to point this out on Sunday.
I'm lower in agreeability than the average woman, lower in neuroticism, things like that.
These are traits that, like, you're more likely to see them in women.
So, yeah, like, definitely there are things about me that are maybe defective or more masculine that make it easier for me to do things like this.
All right, we have Bender the Offender.
It is so sad that modern women aren't even afraid to disappoint the ones they love and hold dear.
Okay, Bender the Offender.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
And then we have, actually, let me pull up this one from Grid 1 Motorsports.
It's coming up in just a sec, guys.
Okay, the how can the patriarchy help you was kind of sarcastic, but we are here to help.
The lies, grid one motorsports is part of the patriarchy.
The lies sold to women by the feminist movement have done damage to relationships.
Was curious how much damage the panel sees it having been done.
We didn't really fully go around the table on that.
I suppose we could.
I think we left off.
Do you have thoughts on that?
Do you think feminism has damaged relationships?
Let's try to.
I want to try to move around the table here pretty.
I'm going to keep it really short and sweet.
But I've noticed that, you know, my whole life, I've identified as a feminist.
I've identified as one, but I've noticed I've noticed this.
There were feminists that I've met that were like, you couldn't be a feminist.
Not at all.
Not at all.
Like, don't just shut up.
Quit talking.
There are some feminists that are anti-sexualists.
Yes, and they're very mean.
There are some that are pro-sexualists.
They're very mean.
And they were very mean.
And so it kept me in this voiceless position, in a sense, where I was in relationships where I felt voiceless, where I was like, I want to speak out.
But here, I'm told by other women that I don't even like represent any other women or anything.
So it's just so I stay quiet.
And when you stay quiet, silence is one of the most hurtful things that can happen.
Did they tell you why?
They just said, oh, you're a sex worker.
You're not on like our level kind of thing.
Why didn't you just ask why?
Because I just, I was just like, maybe I'll just make him happy and stop saying that.
But I always felt like I think that I wonder if like the feminism, like it started out as like maybe a beautiful, empowering thing, and then it was turned into some sort of a tyrannical, like, hey, you're not good enough to be that.
You are not good enough.
If you are a sex worker, shut up.
And it's like, why are you telling me this as a woman who claiming to be a feminist?
Like, stop.
Like, you know, you should be supportive of women, you know?
And so I do identify one as, but a quiet one in that sense because I felt like I would just get obliterated by some people.
See, this is what really just bothers me with.
Okay, do you have a quick is it quick?
Go ahead.
Yeah.
I just go ahead.
I have a question again.
Has feminism.
Do you think feminism has damaged the relationships between men and women?
I don't really know.
Okay.
Yeah.
So feminism is damaging relationships as a woman?
Like, I don't.
Holy fuck, this question.
Okay.
Yeah.
It damaged my relationship because I didn't speak up in times where I felt like, man, I could get, you know, learn my voice with this feminine culture and I could learn my voice and I didn't speak up in certain situations, certain relationships.
And that's where I felt the damage happened from feminism to another woman who was trying to be.
I think she's talking specifically about like swerves or sex worker exclusionary feminists or whatever in that sense.
But I don't think you're saying the principles of feminism themselves are detrimental to data.
Thank you.
Just what you said good.
You feel like you couldn't speak as a woman?
Sometimes, no.
Like the fear of oppression, like government oppression.
Just, I think I grew up.
No, that's an existent in the U.S. That's what I mean.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you have the freedom to speak.
Yeah, they have the freedom to speak as well.
Yeah, and so I just kind of let them.
And I was just like, oh, yeah.
You felt like you didn't have the freedom to speak.
Oh, is that value?
You felt like you didn't have the freedom to speak.
You had the freedom to speak.
It was just in your personal.
It was in her nature to speak up.
Yes.
She's made that very clear about her personality.
It's not in her nature to speak up.
And she's learning how to.
That's what she's trying to say.
Yeah.
Well, maybe it's going to make sense.
And feminism allows you to do that or did not allow you to do that.
I just don't understand how it's a political movement and that you're fucking job.
I think the point is that feminism.
Hi, Brian.
You cannot be a good enough feminist because feminism asks women.
I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding, guys.
I'm kidding.
Are we talking about old feminism?
I'm good enough.
Like, when am I good enough?
Like, that was it.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's no such thing because like feminism is based on a lie that there's no differences between men and women, and feminism expects women to act like men.
Or there's a certain sets you up for failure.
I just think that's, I mean, if you want to be independent, you can be an independent woman.
Like, don't get me wrong, but I mean, I feel like if you want to date a man, I feel like there's a lot of money.
Do you think that feminism has damaged the relationship between men and women?
It depends on the circumstances, I would say, I guess.
I have no idea.
Okay.
Did you want me to answer the question, Brian?
Let's try to keep it brief, but go ahead.
Well, yeah, to put it simply, feminism has damaged relationships between men and women.
As I said before, it's because feminism as an ideology is based on an insidious lie that there is no difference between men and women and that we should be expected to act exactly the same way.
And that's why there's no way to be a good enough feminist.
That way.
Good enough, yeah.
That way.
Essentially, feminism asks women to be second-rate men.
I think any brand of feminism that's trying to get women to like replicate some of like the more toxic I guess aspects of like masculinity is not really positive or whatever but I think it's a little bit of a straw man or like uncharitable to say that feminism is just the belief that like men and women are completely equal in all respects.
I think it's about acknowledging those differences but saying that they're not enough to to argue against equality between men and women.
I'm just disagreeing with her.
It's a political liberation movement and I think what it's asking for is women to be liberated from their own nature.
And if I'm bringing it back to dating, this means that men can't take their natural role in dating anymore.
They can't be the pursuers.
They can't be the leaders.
They can't be heads of households in a society where men and women are expected to have the same goals.
You say that, but you're in a long-term relationship, right?
You said one year.
Yeah.
Right?
And then you were saying like professionally that you feel like you have like more masculine tendencies that make you good and that you're like, I see the difference between myself like professionally and personally, right?
Sure.
I feel like feminism is the thing that has enabled you to be able to have a career path and also be able to enjoy and also be able to enjoy like a long-term relationship.
I think you're living proof that it's not one or the other, that you can have this sort of like mainstream career and you can also have a personal relationship and that doesn't come at the expense of one another.
But my point is that most women are not suited to that to prioritize careers because most women don't have the traits like more assertiveness or higher disagreeability and the ability to negotiate, advocate for themselves.
So you're saying you're just making it.
These are not things that come naturally to women.
Then why do you have them?
Because exceptions to rules exist.
I don't think that you're just exceptional in that sense.
I think there's lots of women who are equally as like, you know, forward or like confident and stuff like that.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think there's plenty of women like, I didn't catch your name.
Oh, Lauren.
Lauren.
Lauren, I feel like Lauren is a perfect example of a woman who is perfectly capable of holding her own and like these discussions like this, like coming into this kind of hostile, more hostile environment or whatever, because as a sex worker, especially with Brian Sex.
So you're saying that the minority here is the majority and what Mary's saying is that the exception doesn't make the rules.
So that's hot.
I just think it's hypocritical for you to say that you don't really support, like you think that feminism is toxic, but I'm saying that like feminism is the thing that's kind of enabled you to have a lot of people.
Feminism ruined relationships.
Literally.
So even if I were supporting it.
One second, Josie.
Would you rather just be able to stay at home and raise kids and not really have to make money by doing this?
Or would you rather do this and have the kids and the home life?
What would you prefer?
Having marriage and children is absolutely my ultimate goal in life and what I will prioritize and I will never prioritize my career over that.
So if there is a way to do a career on the side that does not hurt my ability to take care of my kids and pay attention to the quality of my marriage, then sure, I'll do that.
So I think the goal of feminism was to make it so that women could do what she's doing.
But what happened with feminism is it made it so that women have to make money.
Women have to be in the workforce now.
Before feminism, it was they could stay at home and you could live off of one income, but now women have to work and women are also being pushed to work.
And so it's like I'm not being presented with the possibility of being able to do that.
There was like never a point in like American society at the very least where like there was women were completely left out of the workforce like even in like World War II like women stepped up to like being but you said there used to be a time where like women would stay at home and child rear.
I said their husband would go off and do that.
Well you were making it sound like it was the majority of women.
There was never a time where like there weren't working class women who were raising families and also holding jobs.
Let her talk.
I do think that what I'm beginning to understand about feminism is there's degrees of it.
And I think that certain degrees of it, okay.
And then when the thermometer goes up way too hot, it's like it's very inspiring to see ladies like you and like you be able to.
You know how I said, like for people who feel voiceless, women who feel voiceless in that, it's very inspiring to hear from you guys and be like, no, they're saying that there's a fault here in feminism.
It's not just all feminism in general.
There's a fault in certain, you know, if you go too far, you tell them they went too far.
And I like that as a woman because it's like, okay, I'm not crazy because I'm always told as being how I am, you're crazy, just shut up, you know, just, and, and, and hearing that from you guys, like, okay, I'm not crazy.
Like, there's a, there's a thermometer of feminism.
Stop the cap.
Okay, maybe a little crazy.
Just a little bit.
All right, let me read.
Let me move things on.
We have Conan 19 here.
Hot take Brian Athletics like football while risk of injury have positive life lessons to take from it, like discipline, work, ethics, how to work as a team, how to be a leader.
Absolutely.
Important life lessons can be taken from team sports, not sex work.
That is a fair point.
That is a fair point.
So thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
Joseph Posnecker, hey, thank you, man.
I really appreciate the support.
It seems obvious to me that Mary genuinely cares not only broadly, but personally, about the individuals.
Alcohol is legal, but we can all be concerned for alcoholism and try to help them.
Sex is legal, but when it's disordered, the consequences are very sad.
Do you have a quick response to this, Mary?
I mean, I totally agree.
You can't just tell me that I don't care.
Like, it's a matter of my conscience.
So.
Okay.
I'm telling you that I do care about what effects your lifestyle has on you personally and spiritually.
We have Nickelodeon.
The ultimate irony is you women think we care about your opinions.
Not my words, Nickelodeon.
He's paying and watching.
He's very, that's some toxic masculinity, right?
Nickelodeon.
All right, we have Conan 19.
Thank you.
The thing about the 304, it's got lifeless eyes, black eyes like a doll's eyes.
When it comes at you, it doesn't seem to be living until she bites you and those black eyes roll over white.
Is this a song or a poem?
Is this a soliloquy?
Conan 19, you need to send us a haiku.
Can you rephrase this in a haiku so I can better understand it?
All right, we have Stagner.
There must be a set of moral values in place that the majority can agree on for society to function and grow.
Question for everyone.
Is respecting, normalizing sex work good or bad for society and why?
Didn't we kind of address this a little bit?
Well, okay.
How about is normalizing sex work good or bad for society?
Okay.
So you were saying you were like sex work isn't hurting anyone.
I disagree.
And that's why I'm on this podcast is to talk about why I disagree that it's not hurting anyone.
Because in the beginning, when we were getting into what you expect from a man, you said he's a leader, he's stable.
You basically listed masculine traits.
And what sex work is doing is it's creating feminine men.
And when you create feminine men, you create masculine women.
And it's all because, and the more we, the bigger we make sex work and the more we praise it, the more that happens.
The more you have masculine women and feminine men.
And that ruins society.
Another thing that ruins society is making sex normal.
You might disagree.
You might think normalizing sex is a good thing.
But what did he say?
He was like, sex is good.
I think he means sex work.
Yeah, sex is good in like certain circumstances.
One of the comments said something that I completely agreed with, but that's the reason I'm on here to tell people how to live is because I think sex work is damaging.
And so, I mean, he was saying, what are you going to do?
Put people in jail.
No, I'm going to come on a podcast and share my opinion as to why I think it's damaging because I hope that it comes to an end or at least slows down.
So that's why I'm on here telling people how to live their life is because my belief is that it's damaging.
Your belief is that it's good, and so you're doing the same thing I am.
You're explaining why it's good on a podcast.
And so you can't shoot me down for doing the same thing that you're doing.
I'm not shooting you down.
You told me, why are you telling people how to live their life?
And I explained why I'm telling people how to live their life.
Because I genuinely think sex work and glamorizing sex work has consequences.
It's a bad thing.
It's a bad thing to allow your kids to do without trying to guide them into a different direction.
It's just not a good thing to be glamorizing.
And there's statistics behind it.
It's the whole reason we're on this podcast.
I don't know that she was glamorizing it.
I thought you were just talking about.
No, I'm not talking about she's glamorizing.
I'm not coming for you for it.
I'm just saying, like.
I just answered your question.
I never got around to answering your question as to why I'm telling people how to live their life.
So now it's me answering it.
I know, and I'm still just going to say right now that...
Answer the mic, please.
I'm still going to say right now that I don't care what your opinion is on my life.
So why are you here?
That's it.
When someone says that they're happy doing whatever they're doing, we don't always take them at their word for it.
If someone is living in a crack den, wasting away and they say, whatever, I'm happy doing this.
Stop telling me what to do.
We don't always take them at their word.
And if you are insisting that you are happy and fulfilled doing sex work, what I'm telling you is I disagree.
I don't think that it's challenging.
When I'm about to buy a house, I bought an hour.
I've been investing my money.
You have material things.
I don't have material things.
I have a lot of things that have material things.
Having an apartment, buying a motorhome.
This is all things that are.
These are material things.
Oh, you're talking about financial stability.
I'm talking about financial stability.
Also, giving me the financial freedom.
You guys keep interrupting me.
It's given me the financial freedom to live my life how I want to live my life.
Okay, we're telling you there are other ways that you could have reached the same goal.
No, and optimizing your dignity.
I like doing what I do for my work.
I like connecting with clients.
You know, you can do that without a real connection.
Any real connection is not, any real connection between two human beings is not a transaction.
And that's you guys, and that's your opinions.
But what I do for work, I like doing what I do for work.
I wake up every day so happy.
I wake up every day so happy being able to connect with these people.
Yeah, okay, we get it.
Your clients?
Your clients.
Okay, you say you like to connect with clients.
Is the sex part really necessary?
Because like I say, we're not going to be able to do it.
Not a lot of dogs come in here and pay for sex.
Guys pay for intimacy, cuddling, all types of things.
Guys will come in, pay us for nice meals and take us out to nice places.
Okay, but couldn't you just like serve them nice meals and just leave it to that?
Like this is so good.
I feel like you guys have very like, you know, people's skills and they're like charismatic and everything.
And so the ranch is looking for just sex.
Yeah, they're paying for an imitation.
They're paying for a real relationship.
If they want to do that, let them do that, though.
But I think that you could make the same kind of money because I'm not going to make it.
No, because there's nothing else in the world that I'd rather be doing than.
Exactly.
She's happy.
I'm happy.
I'm content.
Why?
So it incumbent upon these men.
How are you going to tell me what to do with my life?
What am I going to possibly do that's going to be so much more fun for me?
Turn around.
She likes if she's not going to be able to do that.
How am I going to, like, there's nothing for me?
I'll get it, Dank Naked.
Hold on.
Here, okay.
Well, look.
It is always in person's best interest to lie about them feeling good about the things they do and the life they live.
There's a reason why so many blank actresses regret everything and blame everyone around them for grooming them into it.
Word?
Thank you, Dank Naked.
Thank you.
Word.
We have G Slang here.
Lauren, you seem like the ultimate giver and nurturer, the perfect wife-mother.
Then you then you the dick trade?
Then you're in the dick trade.
I wish I found you first.
Is that what it's called?
The dick trade?
I kind of like that term.
I guess so.
She's in the trade.
She's in the dick trade.
She's in the.
I mean, he gave you a compliment.
Thank you.
She's a dicksman.
Thank you.
That's a very candid compliment.
Yeah, that's a comment.
Only men can be dicksmiths.
and roses.
Unless it's a woman with a...
We don't talk about that though.
What would a pussy profiteer?
There you have it.
You are a pussy profiteer.
And a pioneer.
Also, I guess I'd profiteer.
I think we're making a huge assumption that you guys don't ever entertain any couples.
But I imagine couples come to the bunny ranch all the time.
Oh, yeah, all the time.
We get couple parties all the time that are married.
Hold on.
And it's dumb.
I mean, what do you think of that, Brian?
Like, do you think those women in those relationships and the men in those marriages that are interested in going to the bunny ranch and these legalized brothels to pay for a good time?
Do you see that as problematic or negative?
A couple going to.
A brothel.
Or to a strip club together as a couple.
Me personally, I can't put myself in their shoes.
I don't see why a couple would.
Would you like shame a man and like a woman, like a couple together for like doing that?
Do you think that they are like lowering their dignity or somehow like, you know, showing like they have a low moral character by just going to a strip club as a couple?
I don't know about their moral character, but I don't see why in-question their values, I guess.
Well, I question.
Brian doesn't have time for that, okay?
Like, no, it was a question.
Yeah, I can answer.
Let him answer.
Yeah, no, but to judge people on the side, that's what I mean.
It's just like, he doesn't go like a buddy.
I'm like, oh, I wonder.
I mean, he was saying earlier, men should be sex workers.
So they're essentially in an open relationship then.
No, no.
I don't think couples who have a threesome, that doesn't mean the relationship's open.
If you're fucking other people, you are, by definition, in a open... I'll say non-monogamous relationship, maybe, but they're not in a relationship with the sex workers.
Some are coming to learn Tantra from you so they can use it.
They're not monogamous, I guess you could say.
I mean, I just, to me, it's like, what?
I don't know in what realm I would ever be compelled if I have a wife or a girlfriend to introduce a prostitute into the equation.
So I just not completely.
I don't think these people are being compelled to go to the bunny ranch.
I think they do it because they just want to have fun.
Just a funny thing.
Watch the new season of Black Mirror or some shit if you want to have fun.
Go watch Netflix.
Go watch a movie.
Go to a theme party.
If I'm trying to have fun, hold on.
Stop, stop.
If I'm trying to have fun, it's very low on the totem pole of, hey, honey, let's go fuck a prostitute.
To me, like, there's a lot more other fun things.
Brian's going to take his wife to Disney World and then build a bear.
Yeah, what's wrong with that?
Nothing.
There's nothing wrong with it.
It's funny to me, you can't fathom that some couples.
I like that idea.
I would rather install an above-ground pool than do that.
Then go to a strip club?
No, like they're not going to be able to get away from it.
That's more fun.
Like an above-ground pool.
Is it classic?
I don't know if you can see it.
They love coming to us as couples.
And you can make a couple of aquarium together.
If you got to speak, speak in the mic, please.
Look, I get, I don't.
A lot of art anniversaries, it seems like Valentine's, just very that's fine if they want to.
I'm seeing the ick in real time.
You're like at the idea of like a couple like voluntarily going to a strip club together, just have fun.
Oh, like a strip club.
Well, now you're changing the strip club and bunny ranch.
Yeah, or like a brothel together for a thousand.
I don't know why you would go to a strip club as a guy.
Like it's gonna with your wife.
I mean, I've done that though.
Half the time, the women, like their girlfriends are the ones who want them to go to the club because they like to see their boyfriend get a dance from like a sexy striper.
I've been to a strip club one time and I deeply regret.
I mean, it's not, I don't regret it.
Were we at a bachelor party or what?
No, I just went.
Like, it's just like, you know, you go as a, my friend brought me or something.
He was like, let's go to the strip club.
I was like, okay, I've never gone.
I mean, it's kind of fucking lame.
Like, you weren't bored?
Yeah.
Did they do any tricks?
If they were doing tricks, then I understand, Mike.
I mean, they were doing the dances.
Like, it's.
Did you actually get a dance or no?
No, I didn't get a dance.
It's embarrassing.
Like, you're paying women to pretend they like you.
Yeah.
How pathetic is that?
Like, these are the things that you're saying.
No, you guys could probably agree because when he was like, when, I don't, yeah, Dave, he asked you, he was like, you have the power because they're paying you.
You agree, right?
The power is in your hands.
And then you explain the relationship that you'd want him to lead.
So it's pathetic.
It's pathetic to go to a strip club and pay.
They're fighting like a fantasy.
You know what I mean?
Do they see you as a human being or as a sex toy?
A human being?
I feel like we've lingered.
We've lingered.
I hope lingered.
We have lingered way too long on sex work bad.
Let's see.
Really quick, I wanted to hear what your story was way back before.
What story?
Oh, I know.
I'm saying, like, I don't see you that way.
Your clients do.
Okay, you guys can't child after that.
You don't know my clients.
You guys can.
You can't speak for me.
Yo, hold up.
Hold up.
Hold it up, Nick.
Hold it up.
Yo, X5 Podcast.
Thank you so much for the $500 soup chat.
Dude, thank you so much, man.
By the way, we're going to have.
I think we're going to have those guys on, but can't hate on the oldest profession in the world.
Get your money and live your life.
People that judge are envious and poor and insecure.
You sure you want to come on the podcast?
Because I'm going to challenge this shit.
Period.
Listen, thank you, X5.
You know what?
The oldest profession is motherhood.
It is not prostitution.
Cookies.
Space to marry.
Okay.
Thank you very much, X5 Podcast.
Hold on.
Brian, my last super chat was a quote from Jaws.
Robert Shaw is quint.
You now have to say the line.
I don't know his accent.
Was it British accent?
I don't know.
This one?
Did you replace shark with 304?
I think.
I think it's shark.
Should I play the Jaws theme?
I don't know.
Okay, we have Mr. K. Why No.
Oh, okay.
We need to add this.
We'll get it added.
Thank you, Mr. K, for pointing that out.
Okay, we have grid one here.
Now, Aaron.
Actually, Aaron, can you read it?
Now, Aaron, feminism has eroded the best of feminine qualities by forcing them into roles they are ill-suited for and really do not enjoy.
Sure, my grandmother helped build bombers in World War II, but she only did that because the men were off dying.
Wow.
There you have it.
Wow.
And there's been no women in that sector ever since.
So true.
In manufacturing?
Yeah, I mean, he was saying the only reason why his grandmother did it in World War II was because the men were off dying, but then, like, women never left manufacturing after that.
But I mean, in modern day, do you think that women are in those more physically laborious, laborious jobs?
Do you think women are like overwhelmingly construction workers, physical labor is plugging me on now?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, let me.
And that sucks for them, too.
Like all of those jobs are like backbreaking.
Oh, yeah.
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Which video?
The bowing one?
Are we gonna?
What was the other one?
Oh, we'll do it later.
It's it's um okay.
So some of you guys provided some pre-show notes here for us.
Let's see.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Loose pussy energy donated $99.
LPE, what's up?
Feminism fucked everything up.
Fuck feminism/slash 304S and fuck that super cap of four eyes.
Also, why does Ghost Girl look like she just got off her shift cooking at Hibachi restaurant?
She looks good, don't you?
It looks like you just got off your shift at Benihana.
What is that?
Typically, at Benihana or like other Hibachi restaurants, they typically wear it like all black.
You have like the rose.
Like it looks like a restaurant, like a more upscale.
It's like seeds.
That's a very like unique rose.
That was like a weird asshole.
That's kind of a compliment, though.
He also worked there are like really pretty.
Are they?
Yeah, I mean, he's saying he's trying to never shoot a son on that shift.
Yeah, he was trying to harden the car.
Are they though?
He's just an F304, and then what does he want?
Like, I don't know what.
I don't know.
I just felt like they're always together.
She doesn't seem to be offended.
Okay.
It's definitely a backhander.
I think I look good.
Yeah, you look great.
Would you ever be a chef at a Benny Hana, Hibachi?
No.
I mean, you're cooking like one.
But thank you.
All right.
So we have some pre-show notes provided here.
Let's see.
We have Lexi.
You said you were charged with two felonies?
Yeah, yeah.
You did three years?
Yeah, I did like two years and a half with you.
In prison or jail?
I went to prison.
Oh, damn.
I was 17, got out when I was like 19, almost 20.
Adult prison.
Yeah, not Jews.
Yeah, I didn't get charged as a juvenile, so I went straight to prison and it was horrible.
So how old were you saying?
I was 17.
What was the crime?
Misconduct of the weapon in the first degree, and then misconduct of the weapon in the second degree out of a moving vehicle.
Out of a moving vehicle?
Out of a moving vehicle.
It was a drive-by shooting?
Yeah, I guess you can explain it like that.
Yeah.
I was young.
I was dumb.
Okay.
Everybody makes mistakes in their human life, you know.
But me in that two to three years span being in prison, I've learned a lot about women and being around women and like stuff like that.
And just how society is nowadays and how people like me being a felon is hard to get a job and like hard to do things and you know, just I have a different perspective when it comes to the world.
Like I'm not gonna lie, like when you you girls were saying that you guys have a hard time with her and how she lives her life because of how society is nowadays.
In my opinion, she's her own person.
I'm my own person.
She can do whatever she wants to do.
If my significant other or if I feel insecure about what she's going through, that's like, that's like an inner thing.
Like I don't care about like yeah, like you have to communicate that with your partner.
You know, like, I'm not gonna.
Can you give examples of what you learned about women when you were in prison?
Did you date while you were in prison?
No, no, but I've seen a lot of sexual activities when it came to women.
I walk in on women, you know, scissoring in the bathroom and making out in front of me.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of that, you know.
So, Brian, no, no to the strip club, but yes to like fantasizing about like women hooking up in prison.
Wasn't there a show?
Where did that come from?
You just admitted when she was like, oh, this is black yellow.
I kind of, in a very monotone way, I just said dope.
Okay, so is that all you learned in prison?
Or are you going to give us other examples?
Just how women think and the different point of views on how women are nowadays.
Like, I've met sex workers in there.
I've met pimps in there.
I've met women that have beat the shit out of men before.
I've met women that were like very feminine and like they were like, you know, up there with their shit.
Like, a man should be, you know, like, were you dating a guy on the outside while you were on the inside?
I was for a little bit, and we had actually split apart during that time because he thought I was actually facing like five to ten years because I was.
And then because I was so young, they decided to not do that.
I was on pre-trial for a long time.
So when you're on pre-trial, you're actually spending the state's money.
So the state doesn't like that.
I did that for like two and a half years.
So it's like pre-trial, pre-trial.
I'm spending money.
And they're like, this girl is so young.
And I wrote a letter every single like month to the judge telling him, like, hey, I made this mistake.
Like, I don't want to spend the next 10 years to five years.
Wait, what?
Can you remind me what was the charge again?
It was discharge of a firearm from a moving vehicle.
Was that it?
Yeah.
Did you hit somebody or a stamp donated $99?
These women on the panel have bastardized individualism.
You can't have individualism without accepting personal accountability.
If you want to do of, then you must accept that marriageable men will disqualify you from relationships.
Who says I want to get married to a man?
You want to get married to a porpoise?
What?
You said yes to Dave when he said you should be like family members.
Yeah.
But who said it would be with a man though?
So you go both ways?
Yeah.
Oh.
So, but like that's.
It might disqualify you from women, too.
I don't think so.
You think there's no women that would have an issue by women that have an issue with your past work?
I think so.
It's maybe a little less, but I feel like a lot of people, men and women.
Ladies hit my mind.
What?
No, I think the fact that she's into women makes her the exception to the rule, but the exception still doesn't make the rule.
Mike Davis donated women.
Mike Davis.
Oh.
Yo, Brian, Myron Gaines, Blue Sars.
Oh, I already addressed it.
You're in it for the money and dain't really about this life.
Are you going to be true to form and take it like a beta male?
Oh, I already, yeah.
Can you return some smoke?
I mean, I kind of already addressed it.
I spent way too long on it.
But I applaud you for standing up by yourself.
We were really proud of you for that.
Oh, yeah, thanks.
I mean, I don't really like engaging in any beef or drama.
I try to avoid it.
So, I mean, I responded.
I don't think I was overly aggressive with it.
I just stated my views.
I said I was going to do a more thorough response because, I mean, I just heard, like, it was the day before the show that I heard him kind of talking trash or whatever.
So I didn't really properly formulate my response to it, but I spent a solid 20 minutes on the previous show talking about it.
So I'm not going to really talk about it tonight.
I don't.
Would you ever debate Myron?
On like the disagreements that mean.
No, a boxing match.
Sure.
Or like any other like.
Myron's like taller than me.
He has more reach, he's like...
Right, I'm kidding.
It's fine.
No, I wouldn't.
No, I don't.
Okay.
What was the question?
Sorry.
Oh, just if you'd ever watched the texting thing derailed it.
No, I was going to say, like, would you ever debate Myron on anything?
Yeah, sure.
I disagree with him on stuff, and I mean, I certainly disagree with him on kind of the recent drama between me and, it's not even drama, it's just like people were asking him.
He responded, but anyways look, i'm not gonna get into it.
If you, you can see my previous response, maybe i'll.
I'll address it more thoroughly in a future episode, but i'm not, I can't I.
I that's Mike Davis, by the way i'm not gonna, i'm not gonna, get more into it on tonight's show.
Um, but good to see you in the chat, Mike Davis.
Thank you very much, appreciate it.
So uh, where were we?
Uh, I forgot what.
What were we on?
I forgot you were surprised that like, women would like still date her or whatever, even though she's not surprised that there are women who would date her that's, or men that would date you.
What I, what i'm, what i've always been trying to say is, for the majority of people, what I would say, whether they're man or what woman, men or women uh, most people don't want to date someone who's a prostitute.
Well, I would date somebody like that.
So i'm saying I think you're missing, like I think you're just not trying to listen to what i'm saying.
I'm not saying that there's zero people that like there's people that would date you.
That's not what i'm saying.
I'm saying for the majority of people, the majority of people don't want to date a prostitute.
I heard that.
Do you disagree with that?
It seems like you want to push back and say no.
I said yes, 99 of the people want to date prostitute, like three or four times okay, within the span of when you asked me the first time okay.
But i'm saying now, like if a girl is doing only fans, or is a, a legal escort at the Bunny Ranch or whatever, and i'm into her or whatever we could be dating.
And then what?
A girl who comes to visit you at no, i'm saying coworker, like a person I work with.
I'm saying uh, an individual that has that does only only fans.
I'm saying i'm say I meet a girl that only does only fans.
Would she date you?
Is that and we'd date, hit it off.
And we hit it off.
I mean it could, we could get married.
That's what i'm saying.
Like i'd be perfect for me.
I don't disagree with your statement at all.
But it's I don't disagree with your statement.
That man around saying around don't care.
You're just saying you don't do escort or sex work, you know you're just saying you don't think it's fair.
Most women wouldn't be cool with it.
I think most women, and most what most men, would prefer to not date someone who's been involved.
If you're talking about like a queer woman, I actually think she wouldn't care if she was an escort with mostly male clients.
She might be jealous or not like if you were like servicing other women, but the thing is is that she would be dating another escalate, dating another likely.
And what does sexuality have to do with political affiliation?
Because we know what progressives think about that.
Okay, like.
That's really not like being okay with gay people.
What do you mean?
No, that's not.
I didn't say gay people.
Well, what do you mean by that?
I know the road you're going.
And honestly.
I don't know what you mean.
I don't know what you mean.
I'm sorry, then you were saying, like, we know what progressives think.
And I was like, I was just making a lot of fun.
Yeah, we know what progressives are pushing for.
We know what they're pushing for.
They're pushing for the normalization of sex work.
That's what you guys are trying to do right now.
So you say, yeah, a queer person or somebody that's like more progressive.
Yeah.
That's like the same people.
Yeah, go for it.
Go with a progressive person if you want to, but most men in general aren't okay dating a sex worker.
That is not an opinion.
It's a fact.
It's an opinion, I feel like.
No, it isn't a fact.
I feel like it's an opinion.
You feel like I feel like it doesn't feel like it's a fact.
So I feel like it's a fact.
No, there is no.
And we can agree to disagree.
Do you know what a fact is?
Yeah, but you care about yourself.
Okay, define what a fact is then.
How are you going to use this?
Where are you getting your facts from?
Pull up the facts.
Do you know the fact for me right now?
I don't think.
I don't know if you're not.
I don't think stats exist.
No, exactly.
Because you can't say that it's a fact if you don't have tobacco.
And also, I wanted to add.
No, I don't need a study to be done and look up into the sky and know that the sky is blue.
It's just shocking.
But you're talking about somebody that isn't going to be with a sex worker.
How are you going to tell two different men if they're going to be with a sex worker or not?
That's not up to you to decide or for you to even assume that they wouldn't pick sex workers.
I think it's pretty easy to make the assumption that most people would not want to date a prostitute.
And do they have to get people to have what?
Small minds like you.
How's it small-minded?
Because it's like, how is that not small-minded?
It's because you want to sell your body and have a bunch of people.
That's how you feel and that's how you think.
And not everybody's going to think that about people are in a relationship and they both do things like that together.
You guys are going to have sex together.
Stop.
You guys are missing the point.
I've repeatedly said over and over again, I'm not saying that it will be impossible for you to find a person to date you.
I'm not saying that every single person on the planet would not date a prostitute.
I am saying most.
So when I'm saying most, I'm saying more than 50%.
It could be 51%.
It may very well be that 49% of people would date you.
What I'm saying is most.
So at bare minimum, 51%, I would say the majority of people would not date a prostitute.
And I would say it's 50-50.
Do you think, wait, really quickly?
You would say it's 50%.
Exactly.
50-50?
Exactly.
I would say it's 50-50.
And that is my opinion.
Right?
Can I say something?
Go ahead.
I think a lot of people would say that they wouldn't, but if they made that connection.
They would.
I mean, I think it.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
No, you can say what you want to do.
Go ahead and say, finish your statement.
Finish your statement.
Go ahead.
I want to play off with what you're going to say.
So I want you to finish your you were in the middle.
Go ahead.
I've lost my train of thought now.
You were saying that if the connection was there, then I think it would play a role.
That still doesn't make the majority.
Nor the 50%.
That means that.
I don't know.
I don't know any statistics.
I don't know that.
But I'm saying I think if you did a study, I think more people would say that they wouldn't thank you.
Can you just imagine?
Stop, I have a clarifying question that might.
Let's see.
How tall is your boyfriend?
6'2.
How tall are you?
5'7.
You're 5'7, he's 6'2.
Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
I would.
You would?
I would.
Really?
If the connection was there, I would.
That's such cap.
Okay.
It's not.
Wait, do you think women are going to be able to do that?
I think there needs to be, like, of course we can say, like, if the connection is, I don't even know what that means.
I mean, like, if you say that you could think that you weren't going to, and then you made it when you fall in love with me.
Like, most people are not going to give a person a chance for a supposed connection to even develop because the primary thing people are going to screen on is just, is there just a base level of physical attraction?
That's the first step.
Then a connection can develop.
However, unless you're like withholding the fact that you guys are prostitutes and playing these dudes and waiting until months into the relationship before revealing you're a prostitute, if you're upfront with the fact that you're a prostitute and you should with romantic partners, there's not going to be the ability for a connection to develop because most men's standard is to not date a prostitute.
Okay, but you seem like a very pleasant person.
However, you're a prostitute.
That's an immediate no-go.
Otherwise, I think you're an attractive girl and you have a very pleasant personality.
But because you're involved in sex work, it's an immediate disqualifier.
It's a deal breaker.
There's no scenario, even though you seem like, honestly, you're one of the most pleasant women we've ever had on the show.
You're an attractive girl.
I just wouldn't, and I'm not saying this to be mean or anything.
I wouldn't date you because of the work that you're involved with.
And that's the end of the story.
In the same way that there's plenty of women who don't want to date me because I've got this ridiculous podcast and I'm out there on the internet.
I don't object to women not wanting to date me because I'm out there and I have, you know, maybe controversial opinions.
I think that's fine.
But I'm not sure.
I think it's a better preference for people to immediately disqualify somebody from dating them just because they do sex work.
Do you think that's a good thing?
There's a lot of fish in the pool.
And yes, I think you, in the same way that women disqualify men very quickly for a myriad of reasons, yes, sex work is a perfectly valid, immediate disqualifier.
Yeah, I'm not saying whether or not people are empowered to do that.
Obviously, you can do that, but I'm asking, like, would you say that people ought to be doing that?
They ought to be doing that.
If I were to advise men, if I were to advise my audience who are watching, if I were to advise my son, if I were to advise my male friends, or just men in general, yes, I would strongly recommend not dating prostitutes.
Like, it's crazy.
I just was trying to see where you were.
I told you nothing.
I have given you all the ammunition you need to shoot down anyone who says sex work or high body counts are okay and why most people would reject someone who lives that life.
Educate them on their genital herpes.
Why?
I think they're saying they know most people probably wouldn't, but they wouldn't want to date the people who would disqualify them on that basis anyway, and they'd keep looking.
No?
Sorry, could you repeat that?
Sorry, I was reading the chat.
That's okay.
I just think that all they were saying is that it's fine for it's valid for people to have those preferences, but they're not interested in dating people with those preferences.
That's totally fine.
Yeah, but that's not.
I think that's all they're saying.
But that's not what you call it.
He called it small-minded.
Well, what he was saying is just that most people wouldn't.
Yeah.
Which is right.
But like what you were saying is that if they got to know a sex worker, like they might go in with that bias, but then if they actually had the opportunity to, for whatever reason, to get to know a sex worker, they could fall for one.
I agree with you.
I think it's possible.
That infatuation would last, what, like three months before their objection to a prostitute's work would become a reality.
Yeah, I don't think they would act on it.
I think they would like, oh shit, I'm in love with the stripper, but it doesn't change the fact that like I don't see this as compatible with my baby.
I don't see this as compatible with my life or whatever, so I'm not going to date her.
But that's different than like, like we're not calling it.
Using the word connection with infatuation, a guy can be infatuated with a woman who does sex work for a while, but does that last into a real relationship that will end in marriage?
No.
Like their objection to her line of work will eventually end that relationship.
Do you guys know anyone at the Bunny Ranch who is like a sex worker at the Bunny Ranch and married?
Yes.
There's plenty of women that are married at the bunny.
But we just can't just.
Do you think they're in unhappy marriages?
About men who are already uncomfortable with dating women in that line of work.
And they just shouldn't.
Even if they end up?
Turn your phone over.
She's saying they're not small-minded because she called those men small-minded and they're not.
And she's trying to get it.
I mean, your preference is your preference, but just if you're, if you don't want to, then just don't.
What we're saying is that most men would not, and you guys are willing to admit that.
I was sitting there.
She can't admit that we were happy.
I guess we were talking about like.
I think we're just injecting nuance into it because you're talking about a descriptive claim, right?
Observations about the world.
It's probably true that most people don't want to date a sex worker.
I agree with you.
Okay, thank you.
We never disagreed with that.
Yeah, and what I'm saying is that it's possible there's other variables that you're not considering that could change that.
And what people, what the preferences that people express are different than their actions.
And I'm saying that I think that there's plenty of people, even though they say that would immediately disqualify it.
I think there's more people than you guys are willing to admit that would change their mind if they actually met a sex worker that they happen to be connected with.
But the main question we were starting from here is if we would like we completely derailed, but that was the main question.
That's fine.
All right, so Lexi, you have a crazy dating story.
You have a few.
You said you were in a toxic relationship for about a year and a half, and your ex did what to you?
Yeah, my ex, I try to leave him.
This is after I had gotten out of prison, of course.
I got into a very, very toxic, abusive relationship.
He smashed my car windows and slashed my tires.
Whoa.
Yeah.
And then he was beating me a lot.
The day that I had actually moved out of my sister's house, I meant not my sister's house, his house, moved into my sister's.
He came over and he was like, he was beating my ass.
So in defense of that, he already knows that I've said, I stabbed him.
Like, yeah, so I had to take action.
And so, yeah, that's just a matter of time.
Did you catch some time for that one?
No, I did not.
No, I did not.
Was it?
Yeah, it was self-defense.
You know, we didn't call the cops or anything, but he ended up in the hospital.
We didn't say anything.
We kind of just like, you know, that fell.
I'm sorry.
He fell.
No, it's okay.
Can I ask what initially attracted you to him?
He was a really close friend of mine growing up.
We were actually, we grew up in the same neighborhood.
So I guess over time, you know, as you grow and you get older, people change.
Did you ever see red flags in him?
No, I did not.
It was later on throughout the relationship when I started to see the red flags.
He was actually doing drugs is when I found out when everything started going downhill.
He was doing cocaine.
Was that the case the whole time or you just found out about it later or he started doing that?
I think he started doing it while we were in the relationship.
Like I think he got off and he was sober, I guess.
And then we met and everything was good.
And then he started back on doing it again.
That's when things started going downhill, like I said.
So I wasn't attracted to his toxicness, you know?
Like, it just, that's what it fell into.
Like, people have great relationships in the beginning, and then later on, it gets really conducive, you know?
Yeah.
That's how, like, in the beginning, you go through the honeymoon stage, and then you're not happy.
Shit like that happens, and that's just life in general.
Yeah, I don't think women go out of their way to date abusers.
I think what you're saying is that you're not going to be able to do that.
You start a relationship that Adam's toxic, and then that's when you realize, like, oh shit, I'm in a relationship with somebody who's abusing me.
And then you've been taught to subvert.
Yeah, and a lot of women stay in those toxic relationships.
It took me a very long time to get out of that relationship.
I actually had to leave state.
I moved to Texas because it was away from him.
Yeah, after that had happened, it was like, okay, I need to leave out of state and go with that.
It's a line up.
It helps a lot of women that are in abusive relationships figures that out sooner or later.
Like, you got to do what you have to do.
I know you love and care about that person, and you might.
The toxicity of a relationship, like when you think of Blueface and like Krishan, I guess, you know, like they were so in love and stuff like that, but they're hella toxic for each other.
You know, and then they had their kid and they accepted all of that.
That was love.
I meant to Krishan, it was love, you know?
Yeah, but to Blueface, it was business.
Yeah, yeah.
But exactly.
Also, I just wanted to point out: I know you brought up, I know we, this is from way back earlier in the conversation.
I know you brought up your dad, and I wasn't trying to make the point that I thought he was weak because maybe I thought you, what I was saying, trying to say those, I was surprised that it sounded like you said that your dad was supportive of your sister engaging in sex work, which to me is surprising in the same way that it's surprising that her parents.
I mean, I do think your role as a father is to protect your children.
And I do think, I mean, your role as a father is to keep your son out of prison and your daughter off the stripper pole.
So you can take that for sex work.
Like, I do think men have a duty to try to, I mean, raise their children so they don't end up becoming either criminals or sex workers.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I did fall into the category of being a criminal in my family.
You know, I mean, I'm the only person that actually went to prison, did time.
And then my sister, you know, she does OnlyFans, but at the same time, my way I grew up with my father and me being Asian and you know, him coming from Laos after the war and then coming here to America, he had to learn certain things and you know, certain stuff like that.
So it's just like he's not judgmental and he taught me not to be judgmental towards other people.
Like if that's your perspective, that's what you want to do, go ahead and do it.
I have a sister that's super feminine energy.
Like she doesn't have no man.
She works at she makes like a hundred thousand dollars a year.
No, no, yeah, she makes like six figures.
Right.
And then I have another sister that's a sex worker and I do have a sister that actually is on drugs right now.
So my whole family's just everywhere.
And so that's why for me, I take in perspective of everybody's life and better.
I can tell that you're such a like genuine, kind-hearted, kind-hearted person because of the way you were raised.
I can tell that your parents did a wonderful job raising you.
And I only grew up with my father.
I didn't grow up with my mom.
My mom actually put me in foster home.
Well, he did a good job because, you know, like for you to come out into the real world and not judge others and see them for who they are.
Yeah, as long as you're not coming to people, you can't do that.
Yeah, as long as you're not coming into my world and being, you know, coming into my home and my house and being like, hey, I'm going to fuck with your man.
Like, you know, like, women in, I feel like in the sex industry knows how to line theirself up when it comes to, you know, these women over here that you, you know, you guys want to be married and have a man, you know, all that stuff.
I feel like in the sex industry, they know where that line crosses.
She's not going to hop into your crib and be like, yo, I'm trying to take a man.
No, I don't think she's the right way.
No, no, no.
I'm saying just in the perspective.
At the end of the day, stop.
At the end of the day, ultimately, even if your father does everything he can, at the individual level, you can, he tries his best.
You can still get involved in these situations.
So I certainly, at the individual level, you can't fully put the blame on the parents because people can be otherwise good parents and the kids can still end up making mistakes or getting involved in either crime or sex work.
But, I mean...
If a daughter goes to her father and says, I'm going to become a sex worker or I'm a sex worker, and he doesn't make any effort to discourage that, I think that is a failure to protect his daughter from the world.
And that is a natural instinct that every father should have.
I think your socioeconomic status is probably going to be more likely to determine whether or not your children are going to be sex workers.
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Brian, you don't got to make this whole press conference response to F and Def.
All you got to say is, fuck you, capitalist country.
I'm married to the money so spoken by an expert in the field.
Plus, you have an edge with pretty girls, toe equally as dumb and degenerate.
Yeah, no, I mean, I feel like I already addressed it, but yeah, just, they're basically hypocrites.
I mean, that's really all I have to say.
I mean, it is what it is.
So.
I was just saying, I don't think it's all about values.
I think what's going to end up being a more likely thing that determines it is whether or not, like, what your socioeconomic background is, because I don't think most sex workers have gone to college.
I don't think they have higher education.
They probably are less likely to have even graduated high school.
And that is all stuff that's like associated with people who are of more limited means.
Yeah, the wealthier you are.
Is it more tempting to turn to crime and to sex work if you are in a financially difficult position?
I suppose.
Not just that.
But there are plenty, but there are plenty of people who are in just as bad or worse financial positions that don't turn to crime and don't turn to sex work.
Well, what you just said really flies in the face of this narrative that sex work is empowering because you're recognizing that I'm not saying it's your narrative.
I'm just saying there is a general narrative in the discourse about sex work that it is empowering for the women who do it.
But you're recognizing that the majority of the time, those sex workers are turning to it out of desperation, not because it makes them happy.
I guess the phrase like turning to it is loaded.
I'm just saying it's like just very neutrally.
I think it's a lot more likely that if you're raised in an environment, like a socioeconomic environment, that you have like less money, if you're raised in poverty, you're probably not going to have higher education that's already going to make you more likely to do it.
If you have more wealth in your family, you're probably going to get an education.
You're probably going to have a white collar job.
You're way less likely to do sex work.
I think it's going to have way less to do with like the personal values that are instilled.
Like there are examples of it.
Like Lawrence Fishburne, right?
His daughter is a porn star.
And like he just like, I think he disowned her.
It's very, very like rare-based.
Yeah, is that what you do?
If you're, if, like, you got married and your daughter became a porn star against like everything that you told her went against all of your values and being a sex worker is going down the wrong path basically as challenging the right person.
Would you disown your daughter?
She's a prostitute if my daughter was a prostitute.
If your daughter grew up to be a porn star or a prostitute, would you no a porn star?
If your daughter grew up to be a porn star, would you would you disown her?
Yes.
You would disown her being a story.
Would you disown your daughter from being a porn star?
So when we say disown, though, are we saying like never talk to her again?
Yes, Sudan completely shunned her.
He never doesn't speak about her like when he's been asked in interviews.
He's like, oh, he doesn't even talk about her.
I would make a fuck.
Okay, hold on.
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So to answer your question, first off, I would make as vigorous an attempt as possible, one, to raise her correctly so that she would not even consider that as an option.
If she was considering it, I would, again, make as vigorous and strong a case against it as possible.
If she got into it, I would continue making as vigorous and strong a case for her to stop.
If she continued, then, and it was like, then yes, it would be so disappointing to me that I would probably disown my daughter.
That's crazy.
I would that's crazy to me because if you love, that's unconditional love.
You have kids, you're supposed to love them unconditionally.
I would always be there for them.
If your kids turned to like, became, had a drug addiction, right?
Would you like, I don't think it would be right to disown your activity?
That's nasty personality.
It would sort of be the same thing.
I would see that.
I mean, I think sex work is disgusting.
It's disgusting to turn your back on an.
It's disgusting for me that you're willing to turn your back on your own offspring.
That's disgusting to me.
So say whatever you want to do.
For valid reasons.
How did you get it?
Let me ask you a question.
There's no circumstances under which you would not turn on your children or perhaps like your parents.
What if they committed some heinous fucking crime?
We're talking about what if they abused you?
If my parents abused me?
Would that be, would that be or your choice?
For your own safety, you would have to separate yourselves from them.
But if my parents wanted to come to me and apologize for something like that and then demonstrated through their actions that they never would have to do with your life.
But you acknowledge, but you acknowledge that.
I would never cut them off out of my children.
You do acknowledge there are some circumstances your child could do some act in which you would distance yourself from them or disown them.
You acknowledge that, right?
I know, but I'm speaking in the sense of like sex work right now.
Yeah, you said abuse and we're just talking about sex work.
I don't want to put my daughter becoming a porn star.
I don't want to say that you would disown her.
That's how thoroughly disappointed I would be in my daughter if she was involved in sex work.
Yes.
For you as her father, I think you're supposed to be there for her even through like the roughest points of her.
Those are choices.
She is making a choice to be aware of.
Yes, and you're making the choice to disown her.
And I'm saying I don't think that that would be different.
What is disowning act exactly?
You just no longer like disappear.
Like you no longer speak to them, you shun them, you don't expect you to do it.
I want to ask the chat.
I'm just curious about the chat.
Do you guys agree with me?
Do you disagree with me?
Agree with me?
Disagree?
One, if you agree with me, two, if you disagree with me.
I'm just curious because, hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it would be wrong to disown your daughter if she was.
Is she saying mean things to you like constantly?
Like personally, I would not disown my daughter, but I think you guys are thinking of love and unconditional love as unconditional acceptance of their choices.
And that's not the same thing.
I don't expect that they want to turn around.
I think that like it all changed.
There's no.
That's why I said I did the example of like if your son struggled with like substance abuse, right?
Was continually harming themselves by being addicted to like heroin or something like that.
I don't think that by you not disowning them is you saying, oh, well, I'm happy the fact that you have a substance abuse.
I think you're being there to support them as their father.
But you guys are saying it's like lending them 20 bucks every time they need it.
Like when does it become enabling at some point?
Yeah, you see what I mean?
Well, it's enabling.
No, I don't think not disowning sex work.
It's not disowning.
It's not disowning.
It's just cutting ties with, okay, like the disowning.
I don't know to what legal level.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I would say that actually, for example, you see this when it comes to politics.
Families like become, what's the word for it?
Like splintered.
Splintered over politics.
So I think this is also a valid reason.
It's aesthetic, though.
I think people who like, if like you're not talking to your parents because they voted for Trump or Biden, I think that's a good idea.
No, but I'm saying that that's, I actually think that that's perhaps even the lesser thing.
Well, I mean, people have different values.
I mean, I'm not trying to compare one to the other, but ABC, thank you for the 20 men.
Appreciate it.
So, yeah, I don't know what you're saying.
I don't think any of us would disown a family member over politics.
My parents were like liberal.
I know people don't like it.
I think it's unfortunate.
I think it's like a stupid thing.
I think if you disown your family over political disagreements, barring like extreme fundamentalist shit, I think you would come to regret that.
And when they die on their deathbed, I think that you'd see just how stupid and inconsequential it was to separate yourself from your parents.
It's funny because I hear a lot of kids that are like liberal progressive disown their Trump supporter parents.
Yeah, that's their digital parents.
That's fucked up.
That's so stupid to me.
Should you read that super chat?
I just don't know if it's going to turn C-O-S-E.
Place change or make a job position.
I'll get to that.
Yeah, I think that's it.
So are you saying progressive kids should accept conservatives older than their parents, people around them?
Yeah, I don't think that you should be shunning your parents or family just because they voted for Trump.
That's insane.
Thank you.
Or vice versa.
If you're a Trump supporting family and you disown your kid because they support Biden, that's insane.
Abby, right?
It's Abby.
Abigail, but yeah.
Abigail, if your daughter, you want to have kids, right?
I do.
If your daughter, like, would you disown your daughter?
I couldn't.
I couldn't disown my daughter.
No.
I mean, if my daughter was doing something that I thought was damaging and she kept doing it and kept doing it and kept doing it, I would realize that the way that I'm going about trying to get her away from that is wrong.
I would try to evaluate and determine a better way of going about it.
But no, I couldn't just cut ties with my child.
Same if like my son was doing something like using drugs or drug dealing and I thought it was wrong.
No matter the amount of disappointment I would feel, I just, that's my son.
I cannot turn my back on him.
I think you'll be able to do it.
I will try to keep them from doing it.
And if what I'm doing isn't working, like I said, I would change what I'm doing.
And if I did have to cut ties, it wouldn't feel good.
It's not what I want to do.
But like, let's say if my child wanted nothing to do with me because they felt that I was like pushing my beliefs onto them and I was wrong and they wanted nothing to do with me.
I would wait for them to come back and I would pray and I would hope that they would.
But no, I would never be the one to cut off ties with my child.
I would not disown my child.
I feel like I think you're going to be more willing to like, or more likely to actually entrench the fact that she would be like in that industry if you disown them.
I think the thing that would, if you were like really dead set on like getting your daughter out of being like in the sex industry or porn stars, I don't think disowning them at that moment is going to be the thing that makes them like realize like, oh yeah, maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
If anything, they'll be like, my family fucking abandoned me.
Fuck them.
I'm going to like do this for sure.
I think if you show love and vulnerability and say like, we're here anytime for you, I don't support it.
What does disowning mean?
Actually, yeah, I know.
That's we determine cut ties.
That's what we say.
Cut ties, shutting, don't speak to them.
Disowning means like, you're my mom, and I'm just going to never talk to you again.
Or about you.
Please move the mic over and speak into it.
Sorry.
Yeah, like if your mom looked at you and was like, you're not my daughter anymore, I'm never going to speak to you again.
Don't tell people that we're your microphone.
I'm not going to speak.
You basically pretend.
I don't want to sign anything.
No, it's not a daughter.
You just never speak to them again.
You can do that, though.
It's possibly.
I think that the kids can.
It's probably easier.
Yeah, you can at 13.
I've already stated that I would attempt, first off, I would attempt to raise her.
So that just wouldn't even be a possibility to begin with.
But of course, despite parents' best efforts, kids still fuck up or they get involved in these things.
So whatever.
I would try to dissuade her if she was, again, considering going into it.
I would try to convince her not to.
If she got into it, I would make another good faith effort to stop her from doing it.
Like an intervention.
Yeah, I would make efforts.
So it wouldn't just be like an instant drop, immediate disown.
But at some point it would.
Yes, I think eventually, like if I mean, it's depending on what, right?
Obviously, there's degrees and severity to it.
But if she was a prostitute, for example, I mean, it's going to be very hard for me to.
Well, if she reached out to you again and said, I've put that behind me, I no longer want to do that.
There can be reconciliation.
There can be reconciliation.
There's a possibility for reconciliation.
That's not the same thing.
That's not disowning.
This isn't too personal.
Are you religious or like a man of God?
I claim to be a man of God.
I know it's a sin.
Do you think his name in vain, right?
Like, do you think a Christian?
Are you a man of God?
Go ahead with your.
Like, do you think that Jesus or God would ever instruct his children to, like, you as a man, turn your back on your child?
I mean, the story of the prodigal son is he comes back and repents and the father accepts him back.
And that's, I think, what Brian referred to is that.
There's still a possibility.
That is like the Christian thing.
Like, I don't see that as, I think Christianity is all about forgiveness.
I think the whole point is supposed to be that you would never turn your back on your children.
Or do you disagree?
You think that's like the godly thing to do, I guess?
Well, I can't speak for how other people are, like, how you personally, like, how you view your relationship with Jesus.
I've already told you, I've already told you what my position is on this.
Right.
If after multiple best efforts, attempting to get her to not engage in this behavior, I failed, it would be in the same way that like we all choose to be if somebody is not behaving in a way that we find appropriate, then we are, of course, within our right to cease being in a relationship with somebody or having a relationship with someone.
So if my daughter, that's not just a relationship, it's a biological connection.
Yes, I know.
But the degree of disappointment that I would feel would make it very difficult for me to have a relationship with my daughter.
But you are saying that that relationship could be rekindled if she put that past.
What if she did it behind your back for years?
You somehow never managed to find out that she had been doing it.
I would thoroughly disappoint you.
For like the last five years.
You'd be thoroughly disappointed, but it didn't manifest in her actions or behavior because for five years she kept it a secret from you that she was escorting.
If you found out five years later, she's been escorting for the last five years.
No, she doesn't stop.
I'm saying that you find out somehow.
She's very specific.
She's been escorting.
No, no, I just want to see that because you were like, no, like in the first scenario or whatever, you knew the entire time.
You're like, I try to stop.
I try to intervene.
And I'm like, what if she's been doing it for five years and you never noticed?
Yeah, you never knew.
I suppose to say that.
And then once you find out, would you?
Would I what?
Disown them.
For that.
I mean, certainly, to some degree, ignorance is bliss in that situation.
But would I dissuade to do the work that she's doing?
Yep.
Again, it wouldn't be an immediate disown, but I would say, I did not know this.
Let's try to correct what I see as dysfunctional behavior.
And I would try to guide you.
What would it be if you didn't know for five years?
What do you mean?
Because I'm saying for five years, she kept her.
Very good.
Yeah, but you're saying that like if somebody, if you were in a relationship for five years, you had a husband and he was cheating on you for five years, but you didn't know about it, That doesn't change the fact that there was infidelity.
I'm not saying it would change the fact that she was an escort.
It would make her an escort.
And in the circumstance that you're saying, it wouldn't change the fact that he cheated on me.
You're saying, like, how can it be dysfunctional if you didn't notice?
Because I'm saying still dysfunctional whether I know it, whether I, there can be, there's dysfunction in the world.
Whether I know about it or not doesn't change the fact that it's dysfunctional.
What's dysfunctional about sex work to you?
Really?
Yes, Brian.
It's not obvious to me.
I disagree with you.
I need to know why you think that.
Okay, the damage that...
Okay, first off, sexually transmitted diseases, very high risk of that.
STIs?
And that's an illegal brothers.
We get tested more than anyone.
And we get tested once a week on the dock.
Do they test you for herpes?
Everybody's in the past.
Well, I mean, you get tested that much because then you have a higher pressure.
Be honest.
Do they test you for herpes?
Be honest.
Abby.
Why are you turning to her?
Do they test you for herpes?
Don't they?
They get a swab every week and they test us for herpes.
And they test you because there's a higher risk.
Do they test you for everything they need to test us for on the prophet?
You don't want to answer because the truth is, in the sex work industry, in the porn industry, they don't test for herpes because if they did, there would be no fucking industry because everybody in the porn industry fucking will get herpes.
We had a girl on the panel two weeks ago who has herpes.
She's actively working in the sex industry despite the fact that she has herpes.
And this is just like an open secret in the porn industry.
They check for gonorrhea, they do HIV, they do syphilis, anything that they can check for.
I believe they don't check for HPV.
They don't check for herpes.
If you work in the porn industry, you will get herpes on a long enough timeline.
She got it within six months of getting it.
They don't test for herpes because it would be the fucking end of the porn industry.
By herpes, do you mean?
Do you have herpes?
No, I don't have herpes.
They don't test.
I risked it.
I'm so far beyond just getting an STI, though.
HPV is the most common STI.
It's way more common.
And you're asymptomatic.
We really got all of that.
That's a form of herpes.
Yes.
Well, that finishes list as to why it's damaging.
Yeah.
You're fearmongering about herpes, unless you mean specifically like wars or belated genitals.
There is a lot of different types of herpes, and I think the first one is there's different types of herpes, and I'm pretty sure there's one type of herbs.
You don't have to be a sex worker to have herpes or HPVs.
It's just from sharing drinks and stuff.
No, they don't even recommend that you get the HPV vaccine past the age of 24.
I'm talking about herpes.
Past the age of 24 because you probably already have it.
It's that common.
Okay.
The risk is that you're saying that you're saying you were doing sexy was like super risky, and I'm saying, like, yeah, it's so risky, but it's way more common.
You were acting like it's specific to sex workers, but HPV and herpes, herpes simplex, super common.
Super common.
That's probably why they don't even bother testing.
There's HSV1, HSV-2.
And that's from one of them is from getting the other.
That's good mouth.
And one of them is like you can contract it from sharing drinks.
Like if I had herpes on my body, are you guys really defending herpes?
No.
I'm just a little confused here.
And I'm not defending for herpes.
I'm saying that you're confused on how widespread those SDIs are because the general population is likely to have those anyway.
And they don't need to be.
That's incorrect here.
And if you're saying that like sexual workers said, sex workers and illegal brothers, I'm going to go to my doctor and test myself for herpes and show that I'm clean.
Like I have Kaiser.
Brian, can you continue listing?
Yo, can you get off your phone, please?
Go ahead.
Brian, I would like you to continue listing the risks beyond just STDs because there are many more that you just said and then that was it.
So sorry, so the question was, what is the damage of doing sex work?
How is it dysfunctional?
I said hypothesis.
How is it dysfunctional?
Well, I do believe that sex is As you have more sex, you de-link intimacy from sex and it just becomes sport fucking.
It's just like it loses its intimacy.
So, and I think sex is a way that you and your partner ought to bond.
So, I feel like it sounds like what you're saying is that it makes it dysfunctional for that person and the partner that they may or may not be with, but does it make them dysfunctional as a human being overall?
Well, your sexuality is extremely central to who you are as a person, so yeah.
I'm not saying that it's not, but you said you think that doing sex work makes you dysfunctional as a human being overall.
Yes.
Yes, and that's why you disown them.
This all started with, like you saying, that you would have to do it because sex work is so dysfunctional.
I'm happy to answer your fucking question, but I have repeatedly wanted to move away from the fucking sex work conversation.
We've been on it for three and a half hours, and you guys keep wanting to bring it back to the fucking sex work conversation.
Like, I'm happy to answer your fucking question, but like, first off, can you maybe try to give the other girls an opportunity to speak?
Like.
Oh, my God.
The answer is yes, by the way.
Okay.
We can move on.
Moderator.
You got your clips.
Mary.
I almost want to, like, pass it to Mary because I'm just like, I almost, I'm frustrated with the conversation.
Mary, Brian, you want to be able to do that?
What are the ways?
Hold on.
What are the ways in which you think it's dysfunctional to engage in sexuality?
Did you want to continue the conversation about sex work?
On that, and then we can move on.
Well, yeah, you listed STDs.
You guys get tested so often because you have a higher risk of getting them.
That's a fact.
And then you mentioned the fact that it hurts your ability to link intimacy with sex, which I believe that is the purpose of sex.
It's supposed to be a way that two people connect with each other spiritually and physically.
That's why we shouldn't.
And if you're doing that as a transaction, that is not a real human connection.
You cannot have a real human connection with someone that is also a transaction.
So, yeah, it hurts your ability to pair bond in the future.
I have all sorts of reasons that I think it's dysfunctional that aren't in common with Brian because I'm religious, but we don't even have to get into that.
Like, just on the surface level, those are things that are extremely important.
And when it came to the conversation about disowning kids, I think what it's really about is our fundamental disagreement is do we think it's a parent's duty to discourage their child from going into sex work?
Some people at this table think, yes, it's a parent's duty to protect them from that and discourage them from that.
And it seems like the rest of you don't think that it is a parent's duty to do that.
I don't think that was the main contention, but we can move on.
I agree.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Brian, you have the mic.
When you're like, we're looping on this, it's like, just change the topic.
You're the moderator.
I was trying.
I mean, I've tried, but you guys continue bringing it back to the...
All right.
Grid one motorsports.
The entire right side of the panel is make the best argument for is making the best argument for passport bros I have seen in a while, like because I was literally asking Lexi about her prison thing and then within like immediately it's back on the sex work thing.
So it's just like, all right, WAX Prophecies donated $100 shout out to Lexi.
She handled her own with candace and comes across as more compassionate and realistic than her adversaries.
I generally favor conservative views and am not a feminist or simp Mary who, I like, lacks empathy.
Men are broken, not 304s, Okay.
Thank you, Wax.
Mike dropped.
Thank you so much.
There you have it from Wax.
Okay, we have.
Let me see here.
We have Grid 1 Motorsports.
No man that knows his worth wants to date, Mary, or even have coffee with a village bicycle.
How hard is this to understand?
Sure, some dudes will take the free sex, but that's it.
Yo, grid one, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Danger close Canadian 100.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
So if S work is work, can a boss at any type of workplace change or make a job position that requires giving BJ and smashing?
It would have to be done.
I don't know if I follow that totally.
It would have to be done at a legal establishment like the brothel at Bunny Ranch.
There should be a drive-through.
Like a drive-through.
The guy just like it's they drive up in their car, stick their glory hole drive-through.
Glory hole drive-through.
We'll call it McFuck.
You should go over to the bunny ranch and pitch this.
They have sex.
Yeah, I'll talk to him.
Yo, Kenny Blanken shit.
Brian, pretty cringe of you to dodge Dave's question in bad faith.
You know why you have these girls on the pod.
The same girls you use as clickbait in your thumbnails to rack up the views.
I don't know why you're jealous.
Thank you, Kenny.
Thank you, Kenny Blanken.
Literally a definition of bad faith by you hypocrite.
Are you okay with being clickbait?
I'm not sure why you're doing the finger snapping to Kenny.
Because I think it's so funny because it's true.
If you agree with it, are you okay with being clickbait in a thumbnail?
To dodge Dave's question.
I mean, I'd have to watch it back, but somebody basically interrupted me and then it was a, to be fair, the conversation was moving very fast.
There was a lot of super chats coming in.
It was just based on, it was basically saying that, you know, why did I think Dave asked, what is your purpose for having these women on?
Because I guess he was saying that like you guys disagree a lot clearly.
Like if you want to.
I'm not sure what like what he's trying to get at though.
I think I don't think he was like.
I thought he was insinuating that you're being judgmental, even though you're the one inviting like women who disagree with you and have different like backgrounds than you purposefully, and then you come on and like, if they have agency, they're trying to slander us for it.
Yeah, I think being judgmental is not giving someone a seat no, it's just not giving anyone.
Like what.
What is I mean?
Like so am I only I, Kenny?
Are you making the argument that I'm I should only invite on women who agree with me first off?
That wouldn't make for a very interesting show if everybody just agreed.
People constantly in the online space debate people that they disagree with.
He was saying it's a symbiotic relationship.
You invite on the 304s, the bimbos, so you can btfo them for like in the debate about us and post on twitter how you would never date a whore.
Like when?
Why are you?
Why are you doing air quotes?
That shit is true as nobody.
Exactly why air quote?
Because it was your words, no problem, I air quoted.
Well, sometimes people air quote as if to suggest it's not actually true.
No, I said I quoted you right, so that's what i'm saying.
So why are you here then?
I, I know that's what i'm saying i'm sort of like, for starters, the initial times that you guys were on, you reached out to me to come be on the show.
Yeah, I invite on people of different viewpoints and backgrounds.
It's not like, but this time you invited them back, right?
Yeah, I asked right.
I was like, why do you do that?
Because do I invite, because I book people to, why do I invite people back onto the show?
I'm just saying that's why you make the show entertaining.
Because he's running out of time.
Can I dump on them?
So you can show these three or fours who's the boss.
Is that not the whole setup of the show or what?
This is free speech.
I've tried to get on so many podcasts, and you know what they said?
You're a sex worker.
No thanks.
Even I knew two of the hosts and they wanted me on, but apparently the booker didn't like me.
And she said, we don't want sex workers on the show.
And it's just like, it is so cool to go on podcasts like this because here is a voice that exists in society, a silent minority, majority, whatever.
And I am given a seat at a table.
Real suppression, real misogyny is not giving someone a seat to even talk.
And literally, I'm so sick of media being like that.
And it's just like, I've been in media for years and it's so hard having to been a sex worker.
I don't want to say, yeah, we'll move on.
But anyways, yeah, I'm a musician.
You know, you know how it is.
It's like they look down upon that.
And later on, I don't do that.
And there's still my audio fingerprint.
So Distro Kid stole my audio fingerprint.
Yeah.
Took down.
Like, my stuff is still there.
They're stealing their royalties that they owe me still.
By the way, don't use distro kid, guys.
What the fuck are we talking about?
What the fuck are we talking about?
What the fuck does distro kid do with this fucking conversation?
I'm like, we're like on to a mod obstacle.
I get suppressed too.
Yes.
Doesn't have anything to do with you being a sex worker being like and I'm not suppressed here.
I have a mic here.
I have a seat here.
I am not suppressed here.
But I get suppressed for being a conservative who isn't not like you're not suppressed here.
Can you please not do the Romans?
But you're here?
I know.
That's perfect.
That's why not suppressed.
It feels good.
It feels like one microphone at a time.
Oh my God.
Wait, can I quit dating?
This is Violet.
Mary, do you want to respond to this?
No.
Rejected.
Go ahead.
You asked me what my point on or why I came on the podcast, and that's what we were saying: is that he gives us a chance to talk about our sex work life or whatever.
And that's what we're here to do: educate people and talk about our lives.
Okay, just to bring it back to Kenny's super chat, it's just a little confusing to me because are people not allowed to interact with people that they disagree with?
Thank you.
If I had to start with that, Dave Rubin does speeches at colleges typically to liber.
Well, I mean, perhaps I don't know what the audience is, but surely liberal people come to his audience, they do QA's.
I don't really know what the question is.
But it wouldn't be much of a debate if you didn't bring us and other people that don't.
You know what I mean?
I would bring on people I disagree with because that's a good forum to be able to have these conversations.
I could bring on a whole, like, an echo chamber so everybody could just agree with me, I guess.
Right, okay, but I bring on people who disagree with me and we have a debate.
Otherwise, it'll be asking in the context of us discussing like preferences related to like porn consumption.
Would you date a sex worker?
Not to bring it back to that, but that was the context of it.
I think he felt that you were being, I guess, kind of disrespectful to them.
And he was saying that, like, you're being somewhat hypocritical too.
Because he was saying you benefit from sex workers existing because you bring them on your platform and you get to have discussions about it.
You get to put beautiful women in your thumbnails, and that you financially profit from that by having this show where people can donate super chats to you.
And it's all because the women are pissing them off.
That's why people donate to you.
And I think half of what the super chats are is to talk shit about the women.
And so, first off, actually, in today's thumbnail, there are no sex workers in the thumbnail.
It's you, it's a girl who ended up flaking, and it's actually an AI.
Have you never put a sex worker?
No, I have a thumbnail?
Yeah, I have, but that would be representative of the person that's on the show.
So me posting a photo, like, I can, I can, I'm still, like, kind of failing to see the point.
Dave was saying, how are you going to shame sex workers when you literally benefit from sex workers existing by bringing them on your platform and using them for money for clicks for views and for this conversation?
That was what I think Dave is pointing out.
I still fail to see.
Are you suggesting that I'm not allowed to bring on it?
I mean, I think the way right now is that it's not a problem.
What do you mean the way about it?
Of course I'm going to.
I'm going to say, how can you shame leftists?
Why do you think that's what are we still going to platform them?
I'm just, it's not my argument.
I'm trying to understand what I think Dave was coming from when he asked the question.
I think we all agree that it's a bad point.
Yeah, I just think it's like.
I think there's nothing wrong with running a business too, if anything.
There's nothing wrong with that.
That's what sex workers are doing.
They're running a business.
They're not running a bad little video.
That is something that is fucking degenerate, okay?
Hold on.
Like.
Okay.
i'm just like it's kind of a difficult thing to like wrap my head around but i'm just it's i'm kind of annoyed honestly um the We can move on.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
So you're just not supposed to give people a seat, I guess.
I guess I'm supposed to just pack them and leave because society, like I think I thought Dave was trying to imply someone.
Like he's being hypocritical.
I don't think he was saying that you weren't supposed to have them on.
The whole conversation originated at I would not date a sex worker.
That does not preclude me from having the because I would not date a sex worker does not preclude me from inviting sex workers onto my show.
I didn't think he criticized you for having the conversation.
I think he was criticizing the fact that you said sex work is bad for society.
Men ought to shame women who do sex work, even though he was pointing out that you have.
Did I say that?
I'm trying to characterize what I think Dave Rubin's impression of you was.
And he's looking at your business model and he's saying part of your business model.
Part of your business model is having 304s and hoes in your thumbnail and you benefit by dunking on them.
That's it.
We can move on.
That's all I'm saying.
I just think you're trying to clip on because that's not really what he said, but let's move on, okay?
Okay.
This whole show is clip farming.
This whole show is clip farming.
No, I think that's what you do.
Like your whole thing is clip farming, but there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm saying that's just what you do.
She's not.
You can make your money clip farming and dunking on like all the 304s and women invite on as many sex workers as you want and you're free to dunk on them.
No one's forced to be here.
Everyone here is like coming here voluntarily.
He's just saying it's hypocritical that you say it's bad for society.
You benefit from it in like a roundabout way.
Then I'm going to take a look at it.
Dave isn't here to say what his point was.
So why does he want to do that?
So let's move on to Dave.
Dave, what his point was.
Yeah.
But I, okay.
I benefit, if I were, let's say I was an atheist and I invited on a religious person to debate them.
I disagree with their position.
I don't share their position.
You would then be able to make the, like, this is just like, I've been bombarded with this fucking line of questioning for four hours now, and it's so fucking tiring.
I can't even think straight.
But what's your point?
I was only trying to summarize where it wasn't my point.
I'm only trying to understand where you seemed confused about what the super chat was saying.
It had to do with Dave Rubin's question.
I said, remember the context.
I think Dave Rubin was trying to insinuate that you were being a hypocrite.
He kept being like, I'm not coming for you, bro.
I'm not saying I disrespect it.
I'm just saying, like, this is what I see.
And that in a small way, even though you say sex work is like shameful, you're benefiting from it in a small way.
I think that was his point.
It's not mine.
I'm benefiting.
Well, if I'm telling, but.
I think what you're saying, I'll steal my new.
What you're saying is that if you were an atheist, you ran an atheist podcast and you were criticized, if you said to a Christian guest, your worldview is bad for society and they turned to you and they were like, it can't be that bad because I'm here and you get to make money from my appearance, it wouldn't make Christianity good.
That's what you're saying.
It's not an endorsement in that way.
But just because I invite somebody onto the podcast, it doesn't mean that I need to agree with their positions.
And whether you could certainly make the argument that if I invite on somebody who's a sex worker and there's a clip or something of them talking about sex work, that I somehow benefit from it.
Like I'm when you invite sex workers, though, I don't see what the issue is.
When you invite guests on, you know you're going to disagree with them, right?
For the most part.
Not always.
I guess he was skeptical.
He seemed skeptical to me that you were open to some of the ideas from like sex workers because if you fundamentally disagree with that, listen, he gives people a voice.
a voice and not not I don't think that's what workers a voice it's It's the person behind the person in a friendship.
Hold on, Josie.
Erin is not debating Brian's point or anything.
She was trying to clarify the super chat.
That's all.
So she can't really.
It's not a good, hold on.
It's not a good idea to argue with Aaron about Dave's point because she doesn't really know exactly where Dave was getting with it.
She was just trying to summarize.
I was trying to guess where I thought he was coming.
She was trying to clarify the super chat.
So now the super chat has been clarified.
Erin's not a good person to argue with this about because she doesn't know really what Dave is.
And Dave isn't here.
Just then.
Dave is not.
So we should move on.
Okay.
I'm just trying to parse it.
I'm just, it's not clear to me.
We don't need to.
We need to go behind.
Yo, yo, yo.
Shut up.
It's my show.
I will choose when we move on or don't.
Okay.
I'm just still trying to parse it.
It's again, I don't think it's hypocritical if I am somehow able to monetize the putting a person in a thumbnail and that further generates clicks.
I don't think that makes me a hypocrite.
It would make me a hypocrite if I was against sex work and I engaged in sex work.
Okay, whatever.
I don't know.
I thought, I guess to me, it just seemed like Dave was trying to insinuate that you exploit it in some way.
That was what I got from it.
But she doesn't, she's not.
But I can't know.
Well, he didn't say that.
He didn't even.
No, I know that's why this is all conjecture.
I'm just trying to guess at like what I thought he was getting at because I don't know why he would need to make the caveat like I'm not coming for you, dude, unless he thought that his question might insinuate that like, yeah, you kind of do profit from it.
But I mean, you could make that argument about any of the conversations that I have on the show.
Even outside, we have panels where there's no sex workers on the panel.
Do I profit from women having a high body count?
I mean, like, I suppose I'm profiting from, if there's a clip that goes viral when I'm debating a woman and I disagree, am I profiting off the fact that I know there's degrees of separation, but he's trying to like say that like connect the dots and in a small way, in a roundabout way, just by engaging in that sort of like contentious debate with them because of their background, like you end up benefiting from it because you can use it.
In one way or another, I suppose.
I mean, but like To me, again, I'm.
Maybe it's like saying somebody's like, oh, you say you're pro-human rights, but I noticed that you shop at Walmart and you buy clothes that were made by like child laborers or sweatshops or whatever.
You're a hypocrite.
Okay, we have Benja the Offender.
I predict Brian will take some time off in the near future.
Yeah, I mean, that's.
Yep.
I was just looking out for you, okay?
Sorry.
Yep.
Let's see.
We have a TTS that's coming through.
Hold on, it's coming in.
Pull up, Twitch.
Oh, hold on.
Never mind.
My has donated $99.
Erin requires the last word.
Have her silent for five minutes and the show will move on.
People were paying a lot to shut you up last time you were on.
Nothing's changed.
Did we get all the okay, we got all those?
Go to Twitch, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub if you have one.
Let's see, we have Fraser, thing for the Prime.
Oh, Violet, thing for the tier one.
Appreciate it.
Okay, let's see.
I wonder if we had, I had some more show notes here.
From, let's see, I think we're all caught up there.
Oh, we have this one.
Hold up.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
We'll go around the table.
Go ahead.
A solid seven.
Ten to ten, baby.
I'm a six.
I'm a six.
I'm a six point five today because my hair is a little frizzy.
I'm a six right now.
I'm a six.
I'm a six.
Seven?
Maybe like a seven or an eight on a really good day.
Three.
You're a ten, Erin.
Are you just saying that to what?
What about you?
So you think I, oh, sure.
I consider myself six.
I give myself six.
Yeah, okay.
I think that's too modest.
I think seven.
Thank you, Aaron.
I appreciate it.
You're welcome.
So you think you're a 10, though?
You think you're on par with the most beautiful women in the world?
That's your own.
Emrata.
That's your own objective.
That's me.
That's your self-assessment of your physical attractiveness.
Yes.
I'm not going to rate you.
I'm not going to let you get away with this.
I'm not going to rate you, but you're not a 10.
Okay.
But you're not going to rate me.
I'm not going to rate you, but you're not a 10.
I think somehow I'll manage to sleep at night still.
I'll be okay.
That's fine.
I'm not trying to insult you, but.
Just say it with your chest, Brian.
Just say you don't think of like I didn't pussyfoot around it.
You're not a 10.
Okay, what am I?
Oh, I'm not going to.
Again, I don't need to rate you.
No, you don't need to.
I'm asking you to.
Just say it with your chest.
What do you think I am then?
I don't really feel compelled to rate you, but do you want the answer?
I get like six.
Okay.
Give you six.
Okay.
You should rate all of us.
Then we're on the same par.
You said you're a six, I'm a six.
Wow.
Yeah.
I don't think I'm like fucking Brad Pitt over here.
Like, that's not what.
All right.
But you think you're a 10.
You think you're a 10.
Okay, this is super niche, but I remember you have this, you have a prank video where you're messing with prostitutes in like the red light district, and there was, I don't know who it was, you were like fucking with one and she said in this accent, what do you think you look like, Red Pitt?
And then she like slammed the door.
Is that what you were thinking of right now when you said that or no?
No, it didn't cross.
I know what you're referring to, but no, that didn't happen.
Okay, it just reminded me of that.
Wow, you did a deep dive on my channel.
That's not a deep dive.
I've watched you since middle school.
You have a prank channel.
It wasn't a whole reason.
I thought that your videos did pop on my feet when I was in high school in Quebec.
All right, we have Jazz23 here.
Society doesn't need sex workers.
They just take advantage of lonely men.
They have no skill and take the easy way out.
It'll never be respected.
We should give a percent of the money they make to people.
We actually need like blue-collar workers.
There you have it.
I think we, yeah, we should definitely, you know, redistribute the wealth of like a syntax of sex workers.
What do you guys think about that?
Redistributing their sex worker syntax type of thing.
Let's see, where do I want to go with single?
Oh, I have a couple here.
Hold on one sec.
The reaction to, nah, we don't have to pull up the video.
Sorry, I'm pulling this up real quick.
Oh, shit.
This is not the right one.
One sec, guys.
Somebody's singing happy birthday outside.
I don't know if you guys hear that.
One sec.
Someone's having a good time.
Somebody is having a lovely time.
Okay, let's see here.
I want to open it up to you three over here since you haven't had a huge opportunity to weigh in.
Is there anything dating related that any of you three would like to speak on?
I'm just here to live my life.
Like I said, I don't take in, I don't really care about what anybody else is doing in their life.
You know, their life is their life.
My life is my life.
What your perspective is to date, that's your perspective.
If you want to housewife, then that's what your perspective is.
I'm just here to live my own life.
Like, I don't care what anybody else is doing, in my opinion.
That's just what I'm saying.
Can you tell us why you're here?
I'm here to just hear you guys debate and put my own input into it.
Like I said, I've been through a lot of different scenarios and seen a lot of things to where genuinely, I just listen and I like, just take that into consideration, you know?
Fair enough.
Like, your consideration of how you are.
Like, you have really good pointers, and so do you, and so do the sex workers and these women here.
Like, that's just how I feel about it for me.
That's just how I'm doing it.
You said you're newly single, right?
Yeah.
Have you had a rebound yet?
Rebound.
Rebound.
Like a new guy.
Is there a new guy in the picture yet?
I'm currently in the makings and workings, but I'm not going to say like, hey, we're together and stuff like that.
We're both just trying to figure ourselves out right now.
Are you currently dating?
As a team.
Are you dating different people?
No.
Just the one guy?
I'm not, I wouldn't say we're dating.
That's my partner, I guess.
But we're just getting to know each other right now.
I'm not saying like, that's my man and I'm ride or die, you know?
Like, we're just getting to know each other, like, different perspectives on how we are in the future.
Maybe we might not like, you know, their opinions or his opinion, stuff like that.
So.
Has anybody here ever had a whole phase starting with you?
My life in my industry is my whole phase at work.
So, yeah.
Simple.
What about you?
No.
I got my associate's degree while I was in high school and then I went to college and then there was the quarantine so no time for like going out for me.
I think my Playboy days were my whole phase when I was in Playboy.
It was hard to ignore it and hard to play.
Oh, you were in Playboy.
Damn.
I had jet black hair thing.
I didn't have a whole phase.
Whole phase as in like sleeping with multiple different men at one time?
Yeah.
No.
No, I have.
Tell us about that.
I was actually going to like lie and say no.
But honestly, my mom is super strict.
I'm adopted alongside my older sister.
She also goes to UCSP.
But I think both of us, just coming out of my mom, she's super mentally abusive and toxic.
So like more me.
She was able to like go hang out with friends and do stuff, but I wasn't ever allowed to like leave literally at all.
Unless it was like school sports.
But yeah, so like moving out and coming to college, it wasn't bad, but like just finding myself.
And like, I mean, I had a, I went through some stuff to like actually find myself, but I'm not proud of it.
And I wouldn't say it was the best thing, but I'm not like ashamed of it because I am who I am today because of the things that I've been through.
That was beautiful.
Never had a ho face.
No.
No.
I'm boring.
Sorry.
Brian, ho-face.
Yes, no, come on.
We all have to answer.
We all have to answer.
Come on, we all know he's in the quadruple digits.
Dupulson.
I'm a man of God.
I'm a man of God.
Man of God.
Father Brian.
Men of God doesn't want to renounce his sinless.
I don't know.
Past depravity.
Maybe this isn't really related to Ho Faze, but sugar daddies.
Have any of you ever had a sugar daddy?
Yes.
Did we talk about it last show?
I think.
I can't remember.
I think we might have.
What's like, do you have sugar daddies currently?
Yes.
Do they spend a lot of money on you?
Yes.
Life on easy mode.
Okay.
What are we talking here?
How much do they spend?
So basically, he's actually given me one of his credit cards.
So I just use his credit card and then at the end of the month, he pays it off.
Is this, but do you hook up with him?
He lives in a different state.
He lives in New York, so I don't see him often.
You have his credit card.
Yes.
Do you have a spending limit?
No.
Damn.
Jeez.
Life on easy.
What does he do?
What do you say?
What does he do for a living?
I will not disclose that information.
Do we have any information about him?
Does that make sense?
Other than he's a very high-value.
Like his age, anything?
Marital status.
He's single.
What does he get out?
He's never been married before.
And what was the last question that you said?
Age.
Age?
Yeah.
48.
What does he get out of just giving you his credit card and you spending his money?
We actually have a great little relationship.
Like, yeah.
We fly, we meet each other in different cities and stuff like that.
And we hang out.
He's really busy with what he does with work, so he doesn't get a lot of time to like hang out and relax.
So when he does get that time, it's really important for him to be relaxed and like no drama and for us to have a good time.
Is he your only sugar daddy?
Currently, yes.
Are you his only sugar baby?
Yes.
Wow.
Do you think he might be lying about that?
No.
Okay.
And I actually am starting to catch little feels for this man.
But yeah.
What about you, Aaron?
No, I don't have a sugar daddy and I've never had a sugar daddy.
I don't have a sugar daddy currently, but I remember I had a sugar couple and they were so cool and they were false.
They were cool, cool folks.
They were doctors and Chicago.
That's all I can say.
Yo, Ricardo, are you still watching, by the way?
Ricardo, let me know.
You had a couple sugar daddies in the past?
No, no, no, a couple, like a husband and wife.
And they were.
Okay.
What about you?
Have you ever had a sugar daddy?
I have.
Okay.
Have you had more than one or was it just one?
I've had multiple.
Multiple?
How many?
Like total, probably.
Can you scoot into the table with us?
I had like four total.
Four total.
Okay.
You're 19.
Have they all been within like the past year?
Like the past three years.
I never like, I never met up with anybody, though.
You had a sugar daddy when you were underage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
And you had four sugar daddies, but you never met up with any of them in person.
No.
How would you meet them?
Seeking the website?
How would you meet them?
Snapchat.
Snapchat?
But how would you meet?
How would they find you?
I would just like send them pictures and then.
But how would they find you initially?
How would they know?
Actually, it was on my friend's TikTok Live, and then she shouted me out, and then, yeah.
Oh, they contacted you on Snapchat.
I see.
Okay.
So you had four sugar daddies.
Like total.
Not at the same time.
Total.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And what?
I just wrote that.
What?
The super chat.
Please don't read that out loud.
Okay.
So.
Anyways.
So four sugar daddies.
So you never met them though.
So what was the exchange that would occur?
They would just give me money and I would send them pictures.
Pictures.
Like, just nudes and stuff.
Not like bad nudes, but like nudes, maybe.
What are bad teachers?
Feet pics, that type of shit.
I've done that.
Feet pics?
No, like boobs.
Wait a minute.
I mean, you were underage for part of this and you were sending them actual.
They knew too.
That's a major yikes.
Yeah, that's disgusting.
How much were they paying?
The most was like a thousand in one day.
Like for just one, like for like 20 pictures.
And would you talk to them on the phone or just all text?
You never like actually spoke to them.
Okay.
How much total from all four do you think you made?
Maybe like 4,000 total.
Total?
Not, yeah, not 100%.
Okay.
But they would just like send you, here's $100.
$20 a picture, like.
$20 a picture.
Yeah.
Like one time I went to LA and I spent like, okay, probably more than $4,000 then.
Oh, okay.
Because I made, yeah.
I went to LA for like a weekend and that was like $3,000 for that.
Do you worry about the fact that those pictures of you are now out there?
No, because my face wasn't in there.
No face, no cake.
Yeah, plus.
Would you let them screenshot?
No.
Yeah?
I'm like, depending on when you had Snapchat or whatever, I'm pretty sure those third-party apps where you like can save the snap without it like telling them are like banned at the screen.
No, it's I do it.
And who can't do that?
I told my boyfriend.
One time to get someone's like screening.
Guys, one at a time, please.
I used one of those third-party apps to save somebody's story once before I knew about screen recording.
And it logged me out and it said you're in violation or whatever.
And I got banned for like 48 hours and I gave me back.
Yeah, no, you don't need an app.
You just have to remix it.
How can you get into it?
Being younger, did somebody get you into it?
I was kind of just joking around, seeing if I could make money.
Like you just Googled it?
No, I just like was on like the TikTok live with my friend and then we were just like, oh, like.
On the grind.
Yeah.
We just like were joking with it.
Like every time I wasn't like that serious about it, but I was probably just like, so you were on TikTok?
Yeah.
On a TikTok live?
She was on the TikTok live.
And everyone was like, go snap.
I have a 17-year-old friend for real.
Just like put our like Snapchat in there.
And then, yeah.
Wait, so you said it was.
Are you friends with this person?
Like, are you friends with this person still?
Yeah.
Was it more than 4,000?
I don't know if you don't know.
You said it was more than 4,000.
Yeah.
Okay.
How much do you think?
6,000?
Yeah.
Okay.
Because that weekend I went to LA was like the most I've made.
Life on easy mode, though.
I mean, there's no HP.
I don't think it's easy to get like just degrading myself either.
Like, I didn't feel that.
That's why I could understand.
I don't want to bring that up again, though.
Sure.
It's just like life on easy mode.
Yo, Doc, Fanablus, thank you for the gifts and 20 memberships.
There's not like 18-year-old guys who can just make $6,000.
Okay.
What about you?
Have you ever had a sugar daddy?
Yes, I have.
Actually, when I got out of my relationship and I moved to Texas, I did.
We didn't do anything sexual.
You just had one?
Yeah, I just had one.
I went on seeking.
Throughout your life?
Throughout your life?
Just one.
Yeah, just the one.
How did you meet him?
I went on seeking arrangements because, like I said, I'm a two-time felon, so it was really hard for me to try to find a job.
So I went on there.
I met this older gentleman and he was like, hey, like, I'll pay for your bills, your groceries, and I just want to hang out.
He actually had kids and like a wife, but he genuinely actually just wanted to hang out and like have somebody to vent to.
I noticed that older men like that, they genuinely just want to have a conversation with somebody that they kind of don't really know.
But you never met him, right?
No, we met.
Yeah, we met.
Yeah, we met in Texas.
How long were you talking to this guy?
It wasn't too long.
It wasn't long.
It was like six months, five months.
And then I just, it's just like, I guess like when I started working my regular job, it was kind of like, I don't really need sugar daddy.
I can do my own thing.
So just got out of that.
And then that was that.
Okay.
So what was the nature of the exchange?
We would literally just hang out.
Like I never kissed him.
We never held hands.
We didn't do any sexual activities.
It was just like he just wanted to hang out with somebody.
What would a hangout cost?
How much does that hang out?
Like we would go to the mall.
No, how much would it cost?
Cost?
He'd pay you, right?
That's sugar.
Yeah, he'd pay me like $500.
For one, for one hangout?
Yeah, for like one hangout.
Sometimes we do like twice a month, you know?
Twice a month.
Would he like buy you stuff outside?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we would even go to the grocery store together.
He'd be like, hey, you want to go to the grocery store together?
And he'd pay for all of my groceries.
And then I'd just go about my day and go home.
How much, like, you said you were seeing him for six months.
Like, if you had an estimate how much he total paid you, how much would you say?
Say like $10,000 maybe?
Oh, $10,000.
$10,000 in total.
You know, he was buying me groceries and paying my phone bill and stuff like that.
So I'd say in total, probably like $10,000.
Okay.
Where are these men?
Do you want one now?
What about you?
Yeah.
I have.
It was just feet pics, though.
Have you had a couple?
Have you ever sent like feet pics?
Maybe you didn't have a sugar daddy, but you just send feet pics.
Yeah, yeah.
And he was really, like, yeah.
Yeah.
He was really weird.
You were a sugar daddy or a different guy?
No, he was older.
Different guy.
No, same, same guy.
Oh, you'd send him feet pics.
Yeah, because he was like really like old.
I don't even know how old he was.
I think he was like 65 or something like that.
So I don't think he could like, I don't know.
It was really different for him.
It was more like he paid me for a friendship, but he like wanted like toe pictures of me.
I guess men in that category that like toes and like feet and that are kind of weird.
I mean, that's they're all really rich, these guys.
Yeah, no, they're not.
They're men with the weird feminine energy.
I think they're in debt.
The guy that they might be okay better.
He was a foot guy.
100%.
Someone paid for the titties?
Yeah, and he was.
The titties were paid for.
Yeah, by a foot guy on the internet that I've never met before.
Foot dudes were picked up.
I feel like very well.
People are like the weirdest kings out there for some reason.
No, yeah.
I think there's just like a correlation.
Like, if you're a foot guy, you just are very ambitious.
You make it.
No, yeah, no, feet guys.
I feel like.
Wait, just going back to you, so you said you had one sugar daddy, a couple sugar daddies.
What was the story there?
Did you meet him in person?
Instagram, actually.
But did you ever meet up with him in the future?
No, he was in my request.
And I thought it was a joke.
And I was just like, because I'll get texts all the time that are like, oh, hey, it's like a paragraph that's like this big.
And there's a bunch of emojis.
And it's like fake.
But I'll play into it because I think it's funny.
But yeah, it wasn't a joke.
And the most I got off one picture is probably like $1,300 for feet for feet.
Yeah, people pay a lot for feet.
That's ridiculous.
I feel like they have so much money that it's just like they have like the weirder, the more money you have, the weirder the kinks get.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Oh, but also foot fetishes are genetic.
If you guys didn't know, that's true.
What are you talking about?
They're genetic.
Yes, genetics.
I'm pretty sure it's usually trauma related, to be honest.
You can look it up.
Well, not, I mean, not always, but.
You think there's zero healthy foot dudes in this world?
Because not only are they into feet, but they have to compulsively spend thousands on it.
It's because the, I don't know how to explain it.
Feet people have gotten like really comfortable.
I feel like it is really fucking common now to see like if you go on YouTube, there's videos of like influencers like, oh, her foot compilations are just like sneezing compilations.
Oh my gosh, when the Barbie movie came out, there was a whole thing about her feet because when she like steps out of her shoes.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
I think they're getting too comfortable.
They're going to add the feet people to LGBTQ.
It's going to be part of the acronym.
It's going to be LGBTQIAF for feet.
For foot.
They're going to address it.
It's going to be come part of it.
They're oppressed.
They are an oppressed group.
They're an oppressed group.
I'm here for foot guy rights.
For what rights?
Foot guy rights.
While we're at it, we need reparations for left-handed people.
True.
I think we need reparations, just saying.
Well, so $1,300 was the most you ever.
What's the total?
Like, if you had to put a number on it, what's the total you made from Sugar Daddy type or feet pig type?
Total.
Everything.
And you're 18, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Like 30K.
30K?
30K.
30K?
Your friends over there only made six.
We need receipts now.
You want to see my bank account?
Yes.
I could show you.
I need receipts, sis, okay?
Bro, that's definitely.
Brian's going to call the IRS.
Honestly, you could go on Twitter and just search I Buy Feet and you could get like 500 bucks from like one person.
Be right back.
No, I'm actually serious.
That's like a real thing.
You know, there actually is foot guy oppression because I was thinking about it.
I don't know if you guys know who Bob Odenkirk is.
If you've seen Better Call Solar Breaking Bad, he's a guy who plays Saul.
He got like shit on on Twitter because they saw in his likes, just in his likes, he had liked pictures from like a clearly like a foot fetish account.
No, people go crazy over feet.
It's like actually weird.
And then like he would like pay for like my like pedicures And like, tell me what color to get.
It's hard to say where the line between like that being like sugar baby stuff versus just like individual transactions kind of comes into play.
Because I feel like with sugar daddies, those arrangements, usually it's like you get a monthly budget and they like kind of, there's a mutual exchange there where they're like, you're going to do XYZ.
I'm going to provide this.
This sounds more just kind of like individual transactions.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, if I, like, ever needed, like, anything.
If you could just, like, hit them up and get money.
And I would just ask them, I would, like.
He would just send me money.
Yeah, it's like sugaring, I guess.
Yeah.
But if he's like, no, I'm not sending you money unless you send me feet fixed.
No, no, no, no.
wasn't like that i could just text him whenever and just be like oh like you trying to send me money for yeah Okay.
I could go around the table here, but I don't think, just yes or no.
Have any of you had sugar daddies?
No.
Actually.
No, I have a, I mean, I have a friend that I have a friend that is actually a candy distributor, so we used to call him a sugar daddy.
Oh, my God.
That's funny.
I thought you went an actual.
Yeah, but we used to call him the sugar daddy because he was like a candy distributor and he would bring us like big boxes of candies.
Okay.
Yeah.
But otherwise, no.
I mean, what I would say to that is, I mean, you often hear like male privilege.
Honestly, female privilege.
Like, you guys have life on Easy Mode.
Oh, 100.
I mean, I'm a woman and I'm like.
They have life on Easy Mode.
I mean, you could.
Well, you shouldn't have to.
I mean, you could.
I don't know if it's a choice or if it's that are like, dude, this isn't just women because you're like, oh, I wish guys could do it.
You could, but you have to do gay for pay.
Because I feel like men.
Yeah, because if there's, if there's, if you, like, you, as a young man, can make this money doing sex work stuff, but you have to, your clientele will probably be gay men.
I don't think women really pay for sex, no.
I would still argue, though, that there's, I mean, there's far fewer gay men that are prepared to be like sugar daddies than there are straight men who are, because obviously there's far fewer gay men than there are straight men.
But yeah, but per capita, you know, like proportionally.
Like, there's fewer gay men overall, so obviously, like, compared to straight people, yes.
Like, just by raw numbers, it would be more, but, like, percentage-wise, I don't think so.
I would still argue that.
And I'm just pointing out you had an opportunity.
If you just hit up some like, you know, dashing, like, gay, older dude who's willing to get your feet fixed, Ryan, you probably could have done it.
You just have to find the right dude.
Men have this opportunity.
You're sleeping on it, you guys.
Just go find a gay sugar daddy who will do it for you.
Yeah, but there's far, I would argue that there's far fewer opportunities for men.
If you want it from a woman, yeah, there's no way.
Most women aren't going to pay for it.
Even if you did do that route, I would still argue that you're not going to be nearly as competitive as a woman.
Yeah.
I don't know, but those gay sugar daddies aren't looking for women at all.
It's not as long as I can tell.
But there's far far fewer.
There's less gay men.
There's just like less gay men.
There's less gay men, but wouldn't that mean, like, I don't know, sometimes you can corner a market.
Like, there's less gay men.
There's less people willing to do, or like, not willing to do, but doing like queer sex work anyway.
So I feel like it might actually make them more likely to do it.
We just talked about how foot fetishist.
That's a rare, like minority, right?
As far as like sexuality or like kinks go.
I don't have the stats.
I'm saying kink, like a foot fetish is kind of uncommon, but yet they make up a ton of the dudes willing to pay for this shit.
So being gay is kind of uncommon, but they can make up a larger share of gay men that are like willing to do it.
Or a larger share of men that are willing to do it.
Yeah, but there is a differential there because like the there's absolutely minimal or no market.
Like the equivalent would be if there's just like swarms of women who wanted like feet pics from like young hot dudes, but that doesn't really exist.
So I mean, there is a differential there.
If you care about getting it from women, then it doesn't exist.
If you just care about getting the bag, then as long as you're willing to have a bunch of people.
But even then, like, I don't think it's a one-to-one.
It's probably harder to come by just a little bit.
Yeah.
I would say, even if you were inclined to do that as a guy, I still say it's probably going, you're not going to be as lucrative as a girl who's just engaging in it with men.
there was this thing I saw on uh I don't know where I saw it but so men in other countries are now so male escorts they're not necessarily providing sex but they're they're pretending to be a boyfriend so a girl who's traveling alone can be I love that Right, it's good.
She buys him lunch and she buys him food and gives him money, but he pretends to be the boyfriend so she's left alone as she travels alone.
They have that, like you can't have like a girlfriend.
Like, I know that big cycling about that.
You can't like order like, yeah, rent a girlfriend.
And rent a boyfriend too.
Yeah, and boyfriend, too.
Feel safe.
It's a boyfriend experience.
I'd run a boy like that.
Some of them don't even say anything.
Like, I need you.
They're just, they don't even say anything.
I don't want to be alone.
Yeah, it was like I could get paid to ride my bike.
I mean, like.
And show girls around without, you know, some guy following them.
Brian, you're saying you wouldn't do that?
Do what?
Get paid to show up and pretend to be somebody's boyfriend for the day just so that this girl could hang out and do her thing without people bothering her.
Yeah, literally just wholesome shit.
I think that, I think it's kind of like healthy.
I think it's kind of cool.
Would you give the boyfriend experience literally no sex?
Just, would you be willing to work at one of these boyfriend experiences?
And, I mean, she'll cover your...
I mean, what, like, if I was, like, 18?
No.
Not at any point.
Would you ever be willing at any point in your life to be as part of do a boyfriend experience for a female?
This isn't sex for me.
No, no, no, non-sexual.
This is non-sexual.
It's like a platonic friend.
Yeah, in the terms of a lot of people.
It's almost like a sexy.
She's still going to pay for her.
But you're getting paid to hang out with me.
She'd pay you.
I think that's okay.
Like, she would pay you.
I think that's okay.
I don't know.
I don't know if just from a purely.
I don't think I have a moral issue with it, but just from like a, would I be interested in doing it?
Easy mode.
I think that's a cool thing.
Like taking you on stream.
I don't think I object to like if it's just like a purely platonic friendship.
I think that's fine.
But if there's a lap dance.
There's something a little like kind of.
It is kind of sad, though, that that's a thing.
I don't know.
I think it's okay.
I just, it's kind of sad.
I don't think that like, even if society were like less isolated, less lonely, I think there might still be a demand for it because that boyfriend experience is one you could only buy because they're talking about trying to buy an experience for the guy that doesn't exist.
He's like the manic pixie dream boy.
Like he's falling over himself, like, you know, being, I guess, super chivalrous, like almost like a caricature of what like a simp would be.
Being a friend in some countries, being a friend or friendship or charisma is considered a skill that can actually be monetized simply, that you're paying the person for their time.
Let's say I'm an introvert and I want to hang out with somebody.
Well, there is no, oh, I feel like I'm bothering you or anything.
You pay them for their time and for the fact that they're coming all the way there to hang out with you for a few hours.
Moving on, I want to go around the table on this and hopefully we can get everybody's answers.
Are there any preferences that men have when it comes to dating that you think are wrong or you object to or you think are superficial maybe?
I don't think I'm ready to answer this right now.
We can come back to you if you want.
Yeah, come back to me.
I think that, you know, I'm a musician, so I always say like follow your heart.
Like, so, Yeah, it's like, it's like, I feel like it's someone they don't follow their heart, you know, maybe, okay, okay, but it's like you think about it and you're like, damn, like, I should have followed my heart.
Like, and it's like, I don't want to be 90 and not follow my heart.
Like, that's, I don't want to be sitting in a bed and be like, damn, I thought about that person.
I should have, I could have.
Because I broke all my rules because I followed my heart.
Yeah.
Well, that's beautiful, but that's not the musician moment.
Musician moment.
What do you say?
Chance vision was.
Oh, I mean, that's beautiful, but that's not really the question.
I know.
It's like a beauty pageant where they're just like, don't listen.
They just.
The question is.
So the question is, are there any preferences or standards or boundaries that men have that you disagree with or you think are insecure or that you think are wrong or that you think are they shouldn't have?
Yes, if they're like, hey, I don't want to date you because you're a sex worker.
And I'd be like, all right, I honor that, but damn, like, I wonder if one day you'll think about me kind of thing.
And I, you know, obviously being a musician, you in just art, you know, I wonder if like I'm going to think about it.
So it's like, I wonder if one day they'll think about it or just forget it.
Or think, yeah.
Do you think if, and I'm going to touch on this very quickly and move it on.
If we like got you set up as a Twitch streamer, do you think we could get you to stop doing sex work?
So I always said if there's somebody out there that wants like a genuine tantric emotional experience, and not even to spend it, not to spend it back at all.
It's like a genuine experience and a giver, like me to give all of myself to them.
I feel like because I enjoy doing it, I would feel guilty that I was hiding that gift from people that need it.
And if they did, if they're like, I really want to experience that from you.
So I would feel like I was hiding it.
But if being a Twitch streamer would help me grow in a sense where I could be more of like an advocate for that and they can find people similar to me, I would say absolutely.
Yeah.
Like the bigger the platform I'd get, I'd hope I'd grow and bring advocacy.
There's probably plenty of girls just like me and I would hope for that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So big dreams.
What about you?
I don't know.
Skip.
What do you mean, skip?
I've thought of one.
I think it's dumb when men are intimidated, like if their girlfriend or prospective partner out earns them.
Okay.
I literally think that the majority of that in almost all instances, unless someone can think of an example, is going to trace back to insecurity and like conscious about it.
Yeah, that's pretty insecure.
I mean, if you're like consciously saying, like, I don't want to date a woman that makes more than me.
Well, I wouldn't say it's insecure.
I'd say that's just his innate instinct to want to provide for his woman.
And it's emasculating.
It's emasculating to feel like you're not being the one providing for her.
I wouldn't say that's the wrong thing to do.
Because I'm like, if that, if it was just a little bit more and he's still like saying like, no, I have to be the breadwinner totally.
Like the fact that you make $3,000 a year more than me is like a no, it's like a no-go.
That's myself to me.
It's not clear if it's because of intimidation.
I don't think men are intimidated by women who are successful or by women who make a lot of money.
My exposure.
If they're not willing to date them just because they make too much, well, what is it about that?
My ex was diverse.
It's typically more so.
It's less about the actual money and more about like perhaps, you know, if you become hyper-successful in business, that typically means cultivating certain personality traits that may not necessarily be conducive in a relationship.
Like, for example, a woman who's a lawyer, which I think good for you, fantastic.
However, in order to be a lawyer, you're probably going to be someone who's temperamentally disagreeable.
You have to be disagreeable.
You're probably going to be a bit more in your masculine.
You're going to be to some degree argumentative.
And I don't think that that certainly, I mean, look, certainly a male lawyer can be argumentative too in a relationship.
Although typically you, you know, okay, I'll save that for later.
But I mean, you're going to adapt certain more masculine traits.
And most men probably don't want to date like hyper-masculine women and quarrelsome women.
So.
But that's silly because they're looking at the income and they're seeing it as a proxy for all of those like perceived negative traits.
And if that's like kind of an automatic no, like she can't be earning more than me because I know for sure she's going to adopt those like masculine traits and I'm not going to like that.
That's what I'm criticizing.
It's like whether it's intimidation, insecurity, like just that kind of like ick factor is silly to me.
Because until you get into it, until you know for sure that like, yeah, this person out earns me.
And I think part of the reason that they out earn me is because they have these like dominant characteristics that I don't really vibe with, then that's fair because I guess you gave them a chance, but to just be biased out from the start and disqualify them as like, no, I could never be with someone who outearns, that's silly to me.
Well, he wants to provide for his woman.
And he doesn't have the power if she's out earning him.
Yeah, that's intimidation to me.
Well, the man's supposed to have that sort of power, that type of power in the relationship.
That's like instinctual.
If that's what they wanted, they'd, I guess, deny themselves the opportunity to date somebody just on that basis of all that silly to me.
But we even have women who've come on the show, and I've seen examples of this: women who are successful high-earners, but they still consider themselves traditional women.
But the sort of traditional order of things typically was the man's the breadwinner, the woman, maybe she has a side, whatever, like small thing, but he's the breadwinner, and she takes care of the internal household.
So you have these hyper-successful women who make a lot of money, but they still look to the man to fall into his traditional roles when it comes to being a leader, perhaps being dominant and being masculine in the relationship.
But that can potentially cause conflicts.
So what if she outearns you just by a little bit, but she is like submissive and docile in like every other respect, and he still says, No, I'm not going to do it because I think maybe it'll lead to it, or like for sure, just no, would you say that that's intimidation or insecurity?
Again, I don't think it has anything to do with intimidation or insecurity.
I think what men often find is women who are hyper-focused on their career typically tend to adopt character traits, which are perhaps not always, but I said outearns, not like rich, just outearns.
Because she could be out earning him at like a blue-collar job.
Like if she's a nurse and he is a teacher, she might make slightly more.
That doesn't mean she's like grinding or whatever.
It just means she's like, I think we can both acknowledge, though, that there are men who are probably totally fine with and who have no issue with their dating a woman who makes more money than they do.
Yeah.
And I think that's like based.
If they don't see that as an issue or as like an immediate preference that they need to disqualify a woman for for dating, then I think that's a good mindset.
And me personally, like I would not be intimidated by a girl who earns more than me.
However, it could very well be the case that, again, not all women, but it could be the case if she does outearn me, then she's hyper-focused on her career.
She might have adopted certain personality traits that I don't want in a partner.
So it's not about being intimidated.
I'm just not attracted to like really hyper-masculine women.
So, but I agree with you.
There can be super feminine women, but they're just killing it and they're able to sort of compartmentalize to some degree between their relationships and their career.
Would you be comfortable with it if your partner out earned a significant thing?
Personally, I wouldn't care, but I would you judge a man for like, I guess, looking at that as a metric to see to try to predict.
That's fine.
I think men can, if because there's a huge cohort of women who want men to also be providers and they don't want to contribute equally to the household income.
So, just in the same way that women are allowed to have that preference, men, certainly the men who don't want to date women who earn more than them, they ought to date women who earn less or who want to be stay-at-home wives.
Like, it's just it seems to me like it's a mismatch of values.
Those men probably tend to lean traditional.
I think the issue is you have women who are these hyper-successful boss babe types, yet in their relationship, they want they still want the guy to be the leader, they want the guy to take initiative, do all these things.
But in order for your man to be a leader, you need to be a follower.
And I think a lot of women don't want to be followers in their relationship.
Yet they desire traits, they desire leadership traits, but they don't want to be a follower.
Yes, do you think that like the boss babe types are the types who want a man to still be a leader?
Or do you think they're completely behind?
I would argue in a relationship that kind of like wears the pants, so to speak.
I don't think typically like women are, I mean, even really successful women, they actually probably want even more masculine men to almost have to, like, they're super masculine, so they have to like get someone who's super masculine, I guess.
I don't know.
To like level it out.
Yeah.
I guess it's just weird.
Like, I look at you know, women that I went to school with.
They're like friends of, like, I have two friends that are in law school right now.
And like the idea that they would ever struggle to find a partner, even with like all of their success, even if they're still demonstrating that, like, disability, I'm just saying, I think if that was the reason why they were having trouble, it would be silly to me.
It's not, I mean, it's a woman's career doesn't make her more attractive to a guy.
Like, you're not your success, your money does not make you more attractive to men.
People, I think, just end up dating within their socioeconomic backgrounds for the most part.
Sure, for sure.
Like what you're saying, like, I don't think a man would ever, like, I guess look at like a super wealthy dude.
But you're saying, like, oh, he might be dating like a target employee or something like that.
It's like, maybe he'd be open to it, but it's just not common statistically.
I think it's actually very common.
I agree with Brian.
No, I agree.
Okay.
All right.
Some coming around.
I agree with Brian because high-value men don't care how much their women make.
High-value men don't care if you're freaking a janitor or an annie.
They do care.
They do whatever they don't make as much.
But they care if you make too much.
They just want to make sure you don't make it.
But they care if you make too much.
Yes.
That's what's going on.
I also agree with that.
No, it's not about the same thing.
I don't think just letting hens.
Go ahead, finish yourself.
Just because of, I've met some guys like that that try to do it in the control aspect of, oh, I don't care what you do for work.
So you work, you're a target employee, and then she's relying on him for money.
You know what I mean?
And then that goes sour.
And then what?
I can understand that part, right?
But I can also understand like it's not about the money.
It's about one, kind of how you're going to be prioritizing your time.
For example, if we're talking long-term dating, I assume at some point there's, you know, if you want to have children, a woman who really prioritizes her career over having kids, that is part of the calculus of if a man's going to want to get involved with a woman.
So let's flip it.
Do you think it would be reasonable for a woman to say, I actually don't want a really like financially successful and career-focused guy because I'm scared he's not going to be there for me emotionally or to take care of his kids?
But I mean, that's sort of been the setup for time.
I know, and it's hypothetical, though, for this woman, do you think that that's like ridiculous of that woman to make the assumption that because he's financially successful and career-focused, that he couldn't be a good father and a good boyfriend emotionally?
No.
You think that's fine, or you think it doesn't make sense?
Can you repeat it one more time?
Okay.
You have a woman who is telling you that she's not interested in dating a man who is that financially successful or career focused and like actually sees that as somewhat of a negative trait because she's worries that he's not going to be there to raise his kids and that he's not going to be there emotionally.
Because he's too busy.
Because he's too busy with his career.
Are you asking me if that would be a valid concern for a woman to have?
Yeah, do you think that makes sense?
Yes.
Like, do you think it's possible for men to be good fathers and also career-focused?
Yes.
Okay, why isn't it possible for women to be career-focused and good mothers?
I didn't say that.
I'm making the assumption based off the reverse of it.
No, one has no connection with the other.
No, because you were saying men are like women making too much money because they would be maybe too masculine, too career-focused, and they wouldn't be able to be at home and do like domestic duties.
Well, there's a bio, there's a first off, there's a biological difference when it comes to actually carrying a child and giving birth to said child.
Do you think single fathers can be good fathers?
As good of fathers as like others.
You are really putting words.
I did not say that.
You didn't say it explicitly, but the things that you're saying are leading fathers to be good mothers.
I actually think single fathers typically do better than single mothers in raising children.
So that's not what I said at all.
Okay.
But I'm not sure where the connection is coming from.
Okay, here's the thing.
Men and women are.
This is like that Jordan Peterson interview with Kathy Newman on like BBC or whatever.
So what you're saying is, no, that's not what I'm saying.
How about the words that come out of my mouth is what I'm saying, and I did not say that.
Okay, do you understand, Brian, that sometimes things that we say can have implications beyond what we explicitly say?
Yeah, when you argue with semantics of like the words that you pick, no, it's literally straw manning and that's not the best thing.
And if you jumping to conclusions, then fine, I jumped to a conclusion.
No, you're just here to clip farm, literally.
Okay.
Like, are we moving on?
I don't know where to go.
Straw manning, straw manning.
That's not really nice, you know?
Okay.
Look.
Sorry, I was being mean.
I didn't mean to be mean.
I don't know.
Like, always with these, like, scenarios.
Okay.
I'm trying to isolate variables and test like how far you go with it because just in one respect, you were willing to be able to do that.
No, you're arguing semantics.
Can I say something?
So I had this sugar daddy in Texas and he had like three baby mamas and three different kids with them.
And he would literally, he was such a terrible father because he would always tell me how like he was like, oh my God, my baby mamas do all the work.
Like bless them because in the real world, like when I go home to the house, those kids are way too much for me to handle and deal with.
And I'm so glad that I get to leave that house and go to my condo at the end of the night and sleep by myself.
So it's like, and he's like a very high, like, he makes a lot of money, you know what I mean?
And for me to hear that, I was like, ew, like, you're a shitty dad because you, and he buys the baby mamas like Tesla's, and they all live on the same house, like all on the same street in a nice house and stuff like that.
But it's just like, at the end of the day, his presence is gone.
Yeah, his presence is gone, and he's working, and that's kind of what she was saying, and that's why I was putting that story in there because I was like, wow, maybe he financially provides, but I think a lot of women would feel like there's something missing from their relationship if, and that's not going to be compensated for the fact that he's financially providing for them.
If you don't have a partner who's there for you emotionally, if you don't have a partner who's there to be a present father, I think that's a disadvantage.
And not only that, but like think of their kids too.
Like I think women would take a man with a more modest salary who's more present in his kids' life than a man who is more financially.
That's a totally different fucking conversation.
Okay.
That's a totally different conversation.
Your original thing was, men are intimidated by women who make a lot of money.
It's a totally different...
Who out-earn them, not who make a lot of money.
That's different.
I just said out-earn.
You can both be in poverty, okay?
You can both make $20,000 a year, but maybe like he makes $20,000, she makes $25,000 a year.
Or I gave the example of a nurse and a teacher.
Okay, what about you?
Seriously?
What's an unfair preference that men can have for women?
Having like the perfect body, I think.
Okay.
That's an unfair preference.
For men to care about a woman's.
Specifically, only like women, like if they have like a big body or like big boobs or like, you know?
Like just like have a specific do you think if you asked most men, they would say that a woman needs to have a perfect body in order for them to date them?
I know a lot of people that like.
Can you speak closer to that?
I know a lot of people that feel that way.
What if he has the perfect body?
Is he allowed to have that preference or is that only for the men who are out of shape?
I feel like it's just.
I would argue a man with like a really nice body can be allowed to prefer women with nice bodies.
Do you think it's okay for women to have high preferences?
I feel like it just depends, but I just feel like it's just unfair for me.
What's unfair?
What's unfair?
Consciously.
Consciously?
What?
That's a mischief.
Stop.
What's unfair?
For a guy to just like a girl to have, I mean, I guess that just goes for hookups mostly.
What?
I mean, what is it not if it's for a hookup or for a relationship?
I just feel like that's...
Is it?
Let me...
Do you think it's unfair for a guy to care about a woman's physical appearance?
I mean, I think it's unfair for them to only care about the physical appearance.
Fair enough.
Okay.
I don't know.
Do you think men only care about women's physical appearance?
No, but I'm do you think a majority of men only care about the woman's physical appearance?
No.
Okay.
I didn't mean to like push you into a position that because your previous point was you think it's unfair for men to want women who to desire a perfect body.
What was the original question?
Is there any preference or standard that men have that you feel is like unfair or that you disagree with?
Or maybe it's not a fairly different way.
Do you think it's unfair when they have that, but you're not saying that all men have that preference?
I'm just saying that it's so fair that when they're like, oh, I just want like that, that to be one of their preferences, like, oh, they have to have that.
So you're perfect.
doesn't really answer his question because he's asking preferences that men generally tend to have.
Yeah.
Okay.
So then that doesn't answer your question.
I thought what she was saying is that if a man has like unrealistic body standards for his girlfriend, that is superficial and not attractive to her.
That's what I said.
Like if you're expecting your girl to look like a Victoria's secret model before you'll even like consider dating her, that she's saying that's pretty superficial.
I would argue though that most men don't expect to date women who are on par with Victoria's secret models.
No, probably not.
I think mostly just want like average physical fitness every single day.
But on that note though, what I would say is that actually women are far pickier when it comes to women are far pickier when it comes to physical looks than men are.
Yeah, true.
Okay.
In what ways?
I disagree.
I mean, speaking for myself personally, I'm not saying it's a fact.
Please speak into the microphones, guys, if you're going to talk.
Okay.
I would say that when it comes to things that are outside of either gender's control, women care about far more things than the reverse.
There are far more things when it comes to just purely physically speaking that women care about versus men.
A lot of the things that make women physically attractive that men find physically attractive are in your control.
The only exception would be like breast size.
There's no way to really, I mean.
Breast augmentation.
Yeah, but I think like when you're without surgical intervention, but I don't want to advocate for surgical intervention because I'm against it.
But of the things that are in your control that the vast majority of men will find attractive, a lot of that you have in control.
So.
Well, I think she was saying with like how common plastic surgery is and how it's like trendy for a lot of celebrities and models to have things like breast augmentations.
Most men don't find that attractive.
I think she was just saying if men adopt the preference of having of like wanting women who have lip fillers who want women who have Botox who have breast augmentations that at that point these are unrealistic and like very demanding standards because the average woman shouldn't have to get surgical intervention to be seen as like attractive to men.
No, bring it up.
You guys probably agree on that.
On what?
Sorry.
That the average woman shouldn't have to conform to a societal standard of beauty that has to include surgical intervention or like cosmetic enhancement, like fillers, Botox, breast augmentations to live up to like a beauty standard that like men's beauty standards should not be including things like it's not even men's beauty standard.
Women see other women doing that shit.
Most men think lip fillers look fucking ridiculous.
Yet women see that shit and think, oh, okay, let me go inject this bullshit into my lips so I look like a fucking duck.
No, dude.
Most, if you ask most men, go ask most men on the street.
They don't like lip fillers.
They don't like BBLs.
They don't like lipo.
They don't like fake tits.
But I think, I agree with you because I don't know.
And I don't.
I don't.
Big labias matter.
Big labias matter.
Don't get fucking labia plasty.
True.
Okay.
I think, like, I agree with you.
Okay, you've talked enough.
Shut up.
Okay, so.
I'm not saying like every guy's like that, but I know a lot of guys that like are like, oh, if they have a flat butt, like, oh, I don't want to be with them.
Like, I know a lot of guys that have this.
A lot of guys think that they have this type or standard in them.
When you look at the people that they actually date, it's not really what they're doing.
I'm just saying, like, I feel like that's something that shouldn't be a thing.
What shouldn't be a thing?
Nothing shouldn't be a thing.
I feel like that's a.
talking way too far from the mic please would you just i've i've asked repeatedly everybody here if you're going to speak please speak up onto the mic We told you multiple times before the show.
Please, go ahead.
I don't know what I was getting at anymore.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
So, what I'm trying to say is that when it comes to physi.
Oh my God, dude, I'm so fucking frustrated.
Sorry, guys.
It's just like there are far more things that women care about when it comes to physical looks compared to the reverse.
For example, women care about height.
Women care about penis size.
Women care about men's physical size, way more, balding, all these things, right?
A lot of these things are out of men's control.
The only like whereas women just be, huh?
I don't think that's right either.
I'm saying for both ways.
Like, I'm just saying, I don't, I feel like that's right.
Right, but like, most women say they want to date a guy who's like six foot tall.
That's like 10 to 50.
Yes.
No, that's not true.
The vast majority of women are.
Vast majority, okay.
I guess I fall on that.
Yes, but with you, you cannot accept when I use these terms, majority.
You seem like you always want to argue the exception.
Because you make broad generalizations about women's preferences, and then we try to make broad generalizations about male preferences, and you push back on it.
Okay, but specifically on height, do you think it's an unfair, broad generalization that generally speaking, women have a strong preference for tall men?
You're not just stating that fact, though.
You're saying that preference is bad.
I didn't say that.
Do you think that?
What do you mean?
Do you think women having a height preference for men is toxic?
It's not whether I think it's bad or not.
I simply accept that it is.
I accept that.
You can't make a judgment.
Do you think it's a matter of fact?
I don't know.
I don't, because I think there's a probably, to some degree, there's a biological basis for women being attracted to large men, tall men, because they're more capable of protecting women.
There's an evolutionary reason, biological reason, for women to be attracted to.
I've heard of that.
Yeah, so now, however, do I think it gets into delusional territory when, for example, a woman who's five foot demands she, like a guy who's 6'3?
I think that's like a little like it can get into delusional territory, but I accept that women are attracted to tall men.
I don't accept that.
I think it's not good.
I think it's not good for women to have unrealistic height standards.
Sure.
I mean, but and I think women are not beholden to their these base biological instincts to date really tall men.
But the reality is, is that generally speaking, most women would prefer to date a guy who's taller.
Well, the 5'2 girl only exists because her father isn't over 6' right?
So there are obviously short women exist because women reproduce with guys who are short.
Sure, but generally speaking, women care quite a lot about height.
So I only really care if he's taller than me.
Okay, that's fine.
And that's a lot of women.
A lot of women will say that.
As long as the guy's taller than me, but there's also a lot of women who will say, I want a guy who's X height, 5'10, 6 feet.
When it comes to unrealistic standards, I think it's just like you come up with this standard so that you can protect yourself from being rejected.
Like, oh, I didn't want them anyways.
They didn't fit my unrealistic standard.
Okay.
Do you have anything on this question?
About the whole, like...
On, like, preferences that you...
I think, like I said, it just depends on your partner.
I know a lot of people that are actually married and to where the man's, you know, he brings in the money and then the woman, you know, stays home, cooks, cleans, and stuff like that.
I have a brother that is a stay-at-home dad, you know?
So, and then his wife works.
So it just depends on your partner, to be honest.
Yeah.
Okay.
Here, really quick on this, because it's kind of related to the preference thing.
I need to wrap up the show in about 20 minutes.
Do you guys object to men's preference for dating a woman who has a low body count?
We'll go around the table starting with you.
Go ahead.
Do I object to a.
Say the question one more time.
Okay, I will repeat myself again.
Do you object to men having a preference or otherwise caring about a woman's body count?
I think it's dumb.
Okay.
You think it's dumb?
Yeah.
Okay, what about you?
Come back to me.
No, I don't object.
I think it's dumb, too.
Any other descriptive words?
Is it insecure, maybe?
Might be insecure.
Is it insecure?
I mean, it's just like, why does it matter about whose body count?
Okay.
You know what I mean?
It's like...
Why does it matter?
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, I just feel like if you like them, it shouldn't matter about their body count.
Okay, what about you?
I don't really know.
Like, that's just their perspective.
Like, a man doesn't want to be with a woman that's been with 20,000 other men, then good for him.
You know, some men don't care.
This kind of plays on to what I was going to say about the other question.
I mean, if somebody has their own preference, and that's their own preference, and to be honest, I don't think that they should be shamed for their preferences.
I mean, it might make some people insecure, and I think that's a lot from where insecurity stemmed from.
But I think it's more not what the preferences are, but what the other person thinks the preferences are.
Like, how we were talking about how Angie said about the body types, and how Brian said that, like, men don't actually think that.
It's just females think that because they do it, and then they see other women doing it.
But about body count, same thing.
I just think that like a preference is a preference, and same thing with what she said.
Like, if you don't want to date somebody who has a high body count and you want someone with a low body count, then great.
Like, I just don't think it matters.
Do you think a guy might be insecure if he prefers a woman with a low body count?
I don't think so.
I think that your preference is your preference, and I don't think you should be insecure at all about any preference idea.
Mary?
I don't object to men having a preference for low body count, but also I think that there are a lot of girls who get rejected because they're sexually inexperienced.
Women get rejected because they're sexually inexperienced?
There are a lot of girls I've seen say, like, yeah, guys rejected me because I said that I didn't want to sleep with them or I'm not sure.
I think that's a good idea.
If they say, like, they're a virgin, they get rejected.
If they say they don't want to sleep with anyone before marriage, they get rejected.
But I don't.
I've seen a lot of girls say that.
It's not clear to me if they're getting rejected because of their low body count.
It's probably they're getting rejected because they don't want to have sex with the guy.
Yeah, like the guy doesn't want to be affected.
It's not sexy.
And if he's rejecting you for that, and you want marriage, then good.
If you're waiting until marriage and he's rejecting you because you're waiting until marriage, then great.
But I don't think that there's like...
But it kind of pushes back on the idea that all men prefer low body count.
No.
No, but I don't see the court.
When it comes to wifing, they usually do.
Usually.
No.
I guess there's exceptions.
If a virgin girl was prepared to have a one-night stand with the guy, I don't think the guy is going to turn her down because of her low body count.
I don't mean by like.
I think guys are typically rejecting women who happen to have low body counts or who are virgins because they don't align on the timeline.
They're not rejecting them because of that.
You could have a body count of 50 and tell a guy, I want to wait until marriage, and he could very similarly reject you because you don't match up on when you want to.
the speed with which you want to start having sex in the relationship.
Yeah, I think when you said inexperience, I think it gives the impression that what you mean is like guys would reject a woman for not having like enough, I guess, of a sexual background because it's like, oh, what if she's bad in bed?
Right?
But I don't think that's what you meant.
I think you're just saying that like a woman who maybe is like a virgin or is not going to sleep on like the first date or whatever like can be a turnoff for guys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Their values need to be aligned for that concept to work, you know?
No.
No.
Did you answer?
I don't think it's unfair.
I think it's a fine preference to have.
Okay.
So are we talking like an actual like confirmed kill?
You should care.
A what?
What?
An actual confirmed kill, I mean, you should care.
But that was a joke, so I don't know.
Body count, confirmed kill.
Yeah, I'm kidding.
Haha.
Do you feel Call of Duty?
That's actually funny.
Okay.
Yeah, no, it matters.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
So, trying to remember.
So, okay.
So you said it was insecure.
I forgot.
I don't know.
Dumb.
Newsflash, men care about body count.
It's totally valid for a guy to care about body count.
I care about body count.
A woman, I would not want to date or even sleep with a woman who had a high body count.
What's a high body count?
I mean, it depends on age, but like, honestly, once you some men might even think this is like, I'd say over 10, you're getting into high body count territory.
I think.
How many body counts do you have?
How many?
I don't.
He has one body count, but how many?
We're going to go.
Actually, before I should have.
For those of you who said body count shouldn't matter, what's your body count?
Well, I want to know yours.
Maybe I'll save it till the end, but.
Wait, wait, wait.
Before you leave, before you move, I asked first.
I'm skipping this one.
Didn't you answer it last time?
Did you answer this last time?
Possibly.
I forgot.
What do you mean, possibly?
Wouldn't you know?
There's no way.
I don't remember everybody's answers.
You don't remember if you answered it or not?
Okay.
So what's your body count?
No, I'm.
No, I asked first, though.
I will give you my answer to the question after we go around the table.
Go ahead.
No, no, no.
You answered.
I'm skipping.
Why you just answer the question?
You said body count.
I'm not going to piss you off.
You said body count.
Respectfully.
I don't want to answer the question right now.
That's fine, but you did say body count doesn't matter, right?
Did you answer it last time?
Brian, I'm telling you right now, I can't recall.
What is this?
She's pleading the fifth.
Okay.
Did she answer it last time, Nick?
Were you here?
Do you remember?
Okay, well, can we just go around the table and then you tell yours?
I can guess mine.
And then she'll feel like telling you.
It'll be fair.
It'll be fair.
It's only fair because I asked.
It's only fair because I asked first.
All right.
Go ahead.
What's body count?
Oh, I'm going to share my body count.
Did you say body count doesn't.
I didn't answer.
I said come back to me.
Then you can.
Oh, do you have a short answer?
Do you have a short answer on that?
I think in the same way you were saying that you disagreed that when I asked about like the like you want me to answer you look annoyed.
I don't know.
Well, I'm trying to.
If you don't care, that's fine, but then skip me.
Bro, I'm you look so irritated having this conversation for those who asked me.
I don't know if you really want the answer.
You don't have to be meta over whether I'm annoyed or not.
I asked for a short answer.
Go ahead.
I accept it.
Huh?
I accept it.
I accept it.
I kept asking you to give a normative claim earlier about whether or not you thought a woman's preference for a height is good.
And you're like, I accept it.
Okay.
You stated most men, you think it's fine that men have that.
Can you just answer the question?
Can you just please answer the question?
If guys have a preference for a woman with a low body count because they think that that means they have similar values, then that's fine.
Okay, so what you're saying is, in order for a guy to have a preference for a woman with a low body count, he too must also have a low body count.
Is that kind of what you're saying?
Yes.
So it's consistent.
that's fine i don't i don't necessarily think it's body count ends up being the proxy for values Because he assumes if she has a high body count, she'll probably hoe.
I don't like doing that.
I don't want hoe women, so I don't want her to have a high body count.
What about you?
I'm not hiding.
I think, I mean, I've been doing this since I was 21, so I would guess a thousand.
But a thousand plus?
Yeah.
Okay.
I guess so.
Sure.
But forgive me if I keep getting up because I was just hungry for you.
What about you?
Three.
Three?
Okay.
What about you?
I do not want to disclose that information because.
Do you want to do a range?
Instead of like an accident, like just a range?
No, I mean, like, that's.
My sexual activity is what's going on between me and my partner.
The whole world doesn't need to know how many people I had intercourse with or anything like that.
That's me and my personal business.
So I'm just not going to answer that.
Six.
Okay.
Zero.
My husband.
Just one?
Please a fifth.
Oh, Nick.
Okay, Nick, if someone talks to you, you still got to prioritize like.
Okay.
Should we go again?
No, I mean, okay, zero, one.
What was it?
Plead the fifth.
Plead the fifth.
What's yours?
Multiply it by three, and that's the real answer.
I also plead the fifth.
I do not disclose that information.
That's my answer to that.
Let's see.
I'm trying to.
Well, if he prefers a woman with a low body count, I would assume you have a very low body count also, right?
No, I don't think that.
And I don't think it would even make you hypocritical if, as a guy, you had a high body count, but you had a preference for a woman with a low body count.
I don't think it makes you hypocritical.
Why not?
Because men and women are different.
No one disagrees that men and women are different, but why doesn't it make you hypocritical?
Because it's different.
Because you need not possess a trait to desire it in a partner in the same way that short women like tall men, in the same way that non-funny women.
So you're a lot of people.
Yo, stop fucking interrupting, please.
Fuck.
You can't sleep with one woman.
Let me finish my fucking point.
It makes you 7x more likely to contract HIV.
Sexual battery if you don't disclose to future partners and taking kidney damaging medication for life.
Body count matters.
Yo, Jay Butler, yes.
And body count.
The HIV thing isn't even a crime in California, though.
Oh my god, bro.
What was that?
Was that the modem?
Was that the modem that got hit?
Oh my god, bro.
Okay.
What if she had a high body count, but she completely renounced her past whole life and kind of like changed, became like super religious, became like, I'm never going to sleep with somebody again until I, unless I marry them.
What are you asking me?
Would I date her?
No.
Okay, I'm just saying like, can you disqualify her if you have a high body count, even if it's in your past?
Even if you change.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yep.
It's just like, yeah, it's don't want to date with a woman.
Can I ask you a question?
So what age range do you typically go for when you date women?
What age range?
Yeah.
I'd say generally speaking, I generally date women around my age.
So late 20 or late 20s to early 30s.
I've dated women older than me.
Late 30s, I've dated women.
So relatively like 25 and up.
I've dated women in their mid-40s.
Well, I dated, I should say.
Brian.
I've dated one woman.
But I'm just saying like 25 and up.
Well, I mean, generally speaking, I would say most of the women I date are around my age.
But if some haughty 21-year-old DM'd me, I would date a 21-year-old.
Yeah, but what if they had a high body count?
What if they had a high body count, though?
21?
Yeah.
At any age, it's undesirable for a partner for me.
But so you're saying that you would want to get with a 21-year-old.
That's fine if she was a haughty.
That's not what.
Yeah, you said if she was a hottie and she was 21, you'd be down to date her, right?
But are you trying to weave this in, but she has a high body count?
Is that?
No, I'm trying to bring in something else here.
Okay, go ahead.
So, and then I said, well, she has a high body count, and then you were like, she has a high body count being 21.
Are you arriving at the point?
Yeah, like, how does that, are you trying to insinuate that?
If she has a high body count, it's a no.
It doesn't matter what her age, if she has a high body count, it's undesirable.
Are you asking, like, what's high for 21?
No, I.
No.
I don't know.
There wasn't a point.
No, I thought it was interesting.
There wasn't a point at all.
You just...
No, it's...
I mean, it's a fair question to ask, like...
She's learning from her.
It's...
It's a fair question to ask, what's the age range that you date?
That's a valid question.
Here, let's move on.
Really quick.
Surprised me how you dated a woman older than you.
Why is that surprising?
There are plenty of attractive, there's attractive women.
I never said they weren't unattractive.
I'm just saying, based off your like, a lot of your other preferences or whatever, with like how you're like, the biological urges and stuff like that.
A woman who's older is like her fertility window is closing.
I don't know if you care about those things.
Maybe you don't.
Like by dating a woman who's like in her 40s, you're already kind of accepting that you probably won't like have children with her.
But maybe you don't want kids.
Yeah, but I mean, you could, I mean, in certain periods of your life, maybe you're just looking to casually date.
Again, like there are attractive women of varying ages.
I would say generally speaking, like I would say generally speaking, men are most attracted to women between the age of like 18 to 25 from a purely physical perspective, like physical looks.
But yeah, I don't know.
Is there ever, is there like an age gap for you that's like you wouldn't do?
Like you won't date a woman who's like 10 years your senior or like if you connect you don't care?
Oh, I mean I dated again I dated a woman this was even like two or three years ago.
I think I was 30 31.
I did a woman who was 45.
Granted, she didn't have kids.
She was very attractive.
I think that's kind of cool, though.
She was cool, but I mean, generally speaking, do I date?
That was the only woman in her 40s I ever dated.
But, yeah.
I mean, I don't know if that adequately answers the question, but I was just curious.
But, I mean, generally speaking, like, if, like, for example, a 21-year-old, probably less likely, probably more physically attractive than she will be at 31 than she will be at 41 from just a purely physical looks thing, and then probably fewer bodies, fewer past relationship trauma and baggage.
So, there are definitely some pros to dating a younger adult woman compared to, you know, someone who's older.
Was it a red flag to you that she was 45 and single and didn't really have like you're saying she's very attractive?
I assume she didn't really have, like, I guess, a lot of relationship experience.
She'd never been married.
Was that a red flag to you?
I mean, not necessarily.
I think she had been in a lot, she was like in a 10-year relationship or something.
But, yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So, final question, kind of related to my question about any preferences that men have that you disagree with.
And I'm going to start with Aaron on this one.
Actually, maybe I start with you.
We'll go.
I don't know.
I'll figure it out.
Do you object to men not wanting to date a transgender woman?
No.
Okay.
Well, maybe I'll just start with you and then go.
I simply just don't think it's any of my concern.
What do you mean?
Like.
You don't care either way.
Like, it's none of my business.
I think it's fine to have genital preferences.
So, but you'd be fine then, like, if a guy said, hey, I don't want to date a transgender person, you're cool with that?
Like, you'd be fine with that?
If a guy told a transgender person that he didn't want to date her, would that be fine with me?
No, just he blanket did not want to date a transgender woman.
Do you object to that or you think that's fine?
I think it's like that's their business.
That's their thing.
You know what I mean?
Would you judge them for it?
You're saying it's fine.
It doesn't matter to her.
No.
If they don't want to date a transgender person, they shouldn't have to.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't object.
I don't object.
Same your preference is your preference.
Okay.
Sure.
That doesn't make him a sense of what you're talking about.
What about Ray Bay Carpenter?
I think it is.
No, no, no.
No, it's real.
That doesn't make him.
And if he does want to, does that make him gay?
No.
They're allowed to.
That doesn't make him choose.
They're not going to be.
Freedom of choice.
Gay men don't date trans women.
Yeah, I know, but I think they do, but.
Yeah.
They do.
Go on, Mary.
Mary, please.
What?
Say it.
Say what?
All right, I'm going to do these last chats.
We have Grid 1 Motorsports.
Hey, thank you, man.
Scientifically, body count matters as it is proven to have negative potential for relationships, high chance of divorce and cheating.
Psychologically, no man wants a 304.
Lots of other reasons, too.
Okay, thank you, Grid 1.
Appreciate it.
We have Asian Bandit.
I want that blonde, religious girl in the back in black.
Oh, okay, I didn't see the, I just started reading it.
Okay.
I'm not going to.
Sorry.
yeah we have uh i clicked it I started reading it.
I didn't see the rest.
Whatever.
Thought he donated again.
We have Fally here coming up in just a sec.
Fally says, I am now very grateful for finding this podcast because it gives me something in the background to listen to while playing my games.
Fally, what games are you playing, dude?
Thank you for making this platform, Brian.
Also, Erin is the only girl so far who excessively wants your opinion on everything.
Excessively.
Oh, man.
Are you hitting on him?
No.
I have a boyfriend.
Okay, I think we're.
That chat is going to ship.
Watch out.
I don't think so.
Oh, shit.
Whoops.
Hold on.
All right.
Any final thoughts before we wrap up?
Speak now or forever.
Hold your peace.
Final thought.
Anybody?
Abigail?
I know you got some hot takes to drop.
Hmm?
Like what?
You got some hot bombs?
I mean, I can't think of anything on the spot, but if you want to hear what I have to say, I have a YouTube.
Abigail Kintner, follow it.
That's all I have to say.
What do you think about feminism, Abby?
I think it's destructive.
I think I don't think feminists are as evil as we paint them to be.
I think they have good intentions.
Most do at least.
But I think it turned into something very damaging because it affected the natural dynamic between a man and a woman, not only in relationships, but societally.
I think the patriarchy is good because men are meant to lead, and so they did a decent job leading.
So I think women are more fulfilled when they have kids and they don't have to work.
Generally, there might be an exception to the rule, but feminism is pushing women to work.
It's damaging.
They should be mothers, you know.
Yada yada.
I feel like we've all heard it.
That was beautiful.
Thank you.
That was beautiful.
Okay, let me just double check, make sure we're all caught up on anything.
I guess on the let me let me shout out Twitch one last time and then we're gonna wrap.
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Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
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I'm gonna raid somebody over on Twitch.
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What's that?
I said fresh and fit.
No, we're not.
Yes, you're at fresh and fit discord.
Dude, don't.
Oh, my God, bro.
Okay.
The Discord, though.
Let me see.
Hold on.
One sec, guys.
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Thank you.
Appreciate it.
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Let's see.
Eh, fuck, we're not going to raid anybody.
There's nobody, none of my people I follow are online.
Bring it back really quick, just so I can shout out everybody who just yo pubtest.
Thank you for the uh five subs.
Man appreciate it.
Uh oh, okay sandwich, thank you.
The prime appreciate it okay.
That was an interesting uh show.
I think I fucking lost my mind uh, during it.
I definitely okay.
Um, so how are you?
It is what it is, uh fun?
No, I did not have fun.
That was torture.
Thanks for having us five hours.
And was sunday fun?
Uh, sunday was better.
Sunday was better.
I don't know.
The panel is a bit big and a lot of little disruptions and whatnot, and And I just, yeah, it's.
Feels like Dave was only here for like five minutes.
He's looking back on it.
Weird.
Ricardo in my chat here, I don't know if Ricardo is still watching.
He did say that Dave Rubin's question was done in bad faith.
And I do think it was kind of a bad faith question, but I mean, what.
Call him right now.
Speakerphone.
It's okay.
But whatever.
Okay, we're going to wrap up, guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
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