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She SLASHED His Tires But HOOKED UP After?! | Dating Talk #110

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	I'm Anissa Godina.
	I'm 28, and I'm a cocktail server in Las Vegas.
	28?
	Cocktail server.
	Do you do anything else?
	Do you do content creation?
	Yeah, we do the content creation.
	Yeah.
	Social media stuff.
	Okay.
	No OF though.
	Yes, OF.
	Oh, yes, so.
	OF is up and running.
	Yes.
	Just posted my story about it.
	Cocktail waitress and also OF.
	Okay.
	And how long have you been doing OF for?
	Like a month?
	Yeah.
	Oh, just one month.
	This is new.
	This is fresh.
	How did you get dragged into the depths of hell?
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	To the dark side?
	To the dark side, I guess you could say.
	I was just saying how well other girls were doing.
	Yeah, I was really against it for a while, just because my views and how I say things.
	But I do think.
	What do you mean?
	I think I'm a little red pill.
	Yeah.
	So I get it.
	I get the OnlyFans thing, and it has a really negative stigma for sure.
	But I know I can't do OnlyFans forever.
	I can't be a bottle girl forever.
	So I want to, you know, make some money on OnlyFans.
	You want to get the bag.
	You want to get the fans?
	I want to get the bag, yes.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Can I just have you push those cups into the table a little more?
	Thank you.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Ellie.
	I'm 21.
	I'm a student right now at Santa Barbara City.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm from North Carolina, but I live in Ivy.
	North Carolina.
	Do they have accents?
	Oh my god, yeah, the worst.
	Because I don't detect an accent from I don't really have one.
	Only if like I go back home for a little bit, I do, but their accents are like does your accent kick in when you're intoxicated?
	Oh, yeah.
	I've heard that.
	Yeah.
	I sound real southern.
	Okay.
	Yeah, y'all.
	Got it.
	Y'all don't know.
	What are you studying at Santa Barbara City College?
	Political science.
	Political science.
	Okay, there you go.
	What do you want to do with that?
	You want to maybe get into politics?
	Kind of.
	I'm kind of more towards the international relations side of it.
	So I want to definitely go travel and do maybe work in a different country.
	But I do love politics.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Sophie, and I'm 20, and I'm currently working as a barista.
	As a barista?
	Yes.
	Okay, welcome.
	Are you in school right now?
	No, not at the moment.
	You were in school previously, though?
	Yes.
	Do you know what you were?
	What were you studying?
	I was an art major.
	Art major.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you do tattoos, right?
	Yes.
	And are you working on becoming a professional tattoo artist?
	Is that kind of where the director is?
	Yeah, that's the goal.
	I mean, I've been wanting to do that since I was like 12.
	Since you were 12?
	Yeah.
	When did you get your first tattoo?
	I mean, I started doing my own when I was like, I don't know, 14.
	You were doing your own?
	Like, shitty sticking folks, yeah.
	But I got my first real one when I was 18.
	Okay, any face tattoos coming in the near future?
	No face tattoos.
	Is there anywhere you won't tattoo?
	Your face or I don't really know if I'd go for my neck, but that's it.
	Okay.
	But I'm not sure about that.
	How many tattoos do you have?
	I honestly have no clue.
	No clue.
	A lot.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And do you have to go to school to become a, or you need to be licensed to become a tattoo artist.
	So do you need to do an apprenticeship?
	How does that work?
	Usually, yeah, you try to get an apprenticeship.
	I know some people that are just self-taught and made their way into a shop, but I mean, the traditional way to go is getting an apprenticeship and like studying under a mentor for a year or two years and then going from there.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Julia, and I am also barista.
	We work together.
	And I'm also a nanny, and I go to Santa Barbara City College.
	Gotcha.
	Age?
	I'm 21.
	21.
	What do you study at Santa Barbara City College?
	Communication.
	Calm.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Tyus.
	Some of you watching this might know me as Sasha, my alter ego.
	I'm 27.
	I work as a bottle girl.
	I'm also a photographer and I do social media as well.
	And I'm from, well, I live in Vegas, but I'm from Brazil and then lived in Boston as well.
	You speak Portuguese?
	I do speak Portuguese.
	Very cool.
	Very cool.
	Fluently or?
	Fluently, yeah.
	Okay.
	And you said you also do social media.
	Do you also do OnlyFans?
	No, I don't.
	Not yet.
	No, so I actually quit OnlyFans.
	Oh, so okay, you used to.
	Yes.
	So back in 2021, my husband had brain surgery and pandemic was happening.
	Sure.
	He was in the hospital.
	I was out of work taking care of him.
	I did OnlyFans for maybe six months back in 2021.
	And then earlier this year, I did OnlyFans for just a couple months to see what I could get back onto it.
	But I don't know.
	I didn't like it that much.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But it was mostly when he had brain surgery and we couldn't really be doing anything.
	So I was just at home and couldn't, you know, work.
	Has he recovered from the yeah, he's like 90% better.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	That's brain surgery.
	That's very he had three of them.
	So three, wow.
	Yeah, three.
	Do you have cancer, aneurysm?
	So he had a cystic tumor in his, like a canal that drains spinal fluid.
	So they had to take that out.
	And then the first surgery didn't go too well.
	So they had to do two more.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Well, glad to hear that he's recovered.
	Oh, thank you.
	Did you get into OnlyFans partly because maybe things were difficult financially when he was no, not necessarily.
	When I was a little bit younger, I did social media like modeling and stuff.
	And I knew a lot of girls that did do like Snapchat things and OnlyFans.
	And I just remember that they were making really good money.
	And I remember I had made some good money back then.
	Being a photographer, I shot a lot of girls for OnlyFans.
	And I was like, damn, like, this could be fun.
	This could be easy.
	So, yeah.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name's Jessica.
	I go to school fully online at Sierra College back in my hometown in Sacramento.
	And I said, I'm studying interior design there.
	And I am a babysitter and I also work at a restaurant.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Full plate there.
	Age?
	I'm 19.
	19.
	And why did you, and you live in IV, you live in Santa Barbara?
	I do live in IV.
	But you don't go to school here?
	Nope.
	You do all the different things.
	Some really awkward conversations.
	Yes.
	I hated my life back home because it was just like no one's there.
	Like everybody graduated.
	Yeah, like there's nothing there for me.
	So I came out here and I'm transferring to Arizona State next year.
	So it's just like a fun little two years here.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Arizona?
	ASU, right?
	Yes.
	ASU, yeah.
	Arizona State University.
	It's a pretty big party school.
	Is that kind of one of the reasons why they have a really good interior design program?
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Mikhaila.
	I'm 21 and I go to Cal State University Northridge and I'm majoring in communications.
	Okay, welcome.
	Hi, my name's Reticia.
	I'm 20.
	I'm from Guam and I go to UCSB and I study feminist studies.
	Okay, all right.
	Feminist studies.
	We can get into that later.
	Okay.
	Are you a second year or a third year?
	I'm a second year.
	Second year.
	How many feminist studies classes have you taken so far?
	This is technically my first year.
	I was a poli-sci major last year.
	Oh, you switched?
	Yeah, I switched.
	Poli-sci, feminist studies.
	And the program is feminist studies, right?
	It's not like women's studies or gender studies.
	Yes, it's a feminist studies.
	Feminist studies.
	Okay, that'll be.
	Thank you, Rhino.
	So how many classes so far have you taken in that discipline?
	I'm in one right now.
	It's mainly.
	What's it called?
	It's like film.
	It's like film comparative.
	We're just basically looking at how feminism is portrayed in film.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	There's not like a feminism 101 workshop type thing.
	No, there is.
	That's just the class I have.
	I've been taking in this quarter.
	Okay, and you didn't take it any of your freshman year?
	I think I did like a GE.
	It was just like about like feminism, like international feminism, just like looking at like movements, like comparative movements in like the United States versus in India versus in like different places.
	Gotcha.
	Why did you want to switch from political science, you said?
	Yeah.
	From that to feminist studies?
	I really enjoyed that first class I took and I felt like I applied myself more.
	Like I was more interested in it.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	My name's Ryan.
	I also go by Rhino on my YouTube channel.
	I would say I'm a YouTuber.
	That would be my title.
	And I am 26 and I live in LA.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you for having me.
	Yeah, man.
	Thank you for coming.
	Okay, cool.
	So we're going to go around the table one more time.
	So what is your current relationship status?
	Are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule sex, cult harem?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's your longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	I'm currently single.
	I've been single for a year and a half, a little over a year and a half, maybe two years.
	Yeah.
	Two years?
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	About two years.
	Two years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	So I guess like I'm kind of like in a complicated place, but pretty much not.
	I don't know.
	But it's been complicated.
	Yeah.
	It's been like three years.
	He's in North Carolina and it's just kind of.
	Oh, so it's been complicated for three years.
	Yeah.
	You've been seeing this guy for three years.
	And at any point in the three years, what, like, is it an on, again, off again type thing?
	That's why it's complicated?
	Yeah, right now it's kind of just like that off again.
	Like, okay.
	Yeah.
	So right now it's off.
	I think.
	That's what I'm learning.
	Who's deciding this?
	How many times has it been on again off again?
	Like how many times have you broken up, got back together?
	Shit.
	10, 20, 30, 40?
	More?
	I'd say like maybe like four or five.
	Oh, okay, four or five.
	Which honestly, I guess that's not as bad now that I'm thinking about it.
	We were like dating, situationship, dating, not talking, dating.
	I don't really know what we are right now.
	So it's like a gray area, but I don't think anything.
	Of all the not talkings, was it him initiating it or was it you?
	Honestly, it's kind of 50-50.
	At first, I would like inherently say me, just because like I'm not good at communicating, but at the same time, I try.
	But like the whole time zone thing, he usually doesn't talk to me as much as I like try and talk to him.
	Okay.
	In my opinion.
	Oh, so this is long distance?
	Yeah, he lives in North Carolina.
	I'm from Raleigh.
	He lives in New York.
	Oh, right.
	And how long has it been long distance?
	The entire relationship, pretty much.
	We like met my like once.
	Damn, that's great.
	Wait, three years long distance.
	Yeah, so we met my, like, literally two days after I graduated high school.
	And he kind of just, we just started talking.
	And I was like, hey, by the way, I'm just going to point this out there.
	I'm moving to Santa Barbara in like a month.
	And he was like, no, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	We'll be fine.
	And I guess it's been three years.
	Wait, okay.
	So a month before.
	A month before you were moving to Santa Barbara, you met this guy.
	And okay, so.
	Wait, okay.
	When's the last time you guys broke up?
	Like, broke up or whatever?
	Whew, good question.
	Are you guys currently in an off stage?
	We're like in a huge argument, so I'm considering it off.
	I'm pretty sure, like, I don't know.
	It's kind of like I like love and care about him a lot.
	Yeah.
	I don't know, but at the same time, it's like I live here, he lives there, it's not working.
	We've probably like broken up like just too many times.
	And do you go back to North Carolina during the summer, Christmas break, I go home for the entire Christmas break and the entire like summer break, but that's the only time I go home.
	I don't go home like Thanksgiving, like nothing.
	It's like too far.
	So just two times a year, basically.
	But he used to come and visit me this year, not really.
	But usually he comes and visits me and we'll stay for like a month, like for like a minute, but like not recently.
	He doesn't have a job?
	Where does he work?
	He does kind of.
	He's a student too, but like, I don't know.
	I think he does like Instacart on the side, but he goes to like school in North Carolina.
	He goes to UNC Charlotte.
	Can I ask you a question about it?
	Do you feel like the past three years have been a waste?
	No, I don't think so.
	Because I do like have like a really like deep love for him, but I don't know.
	It's just like, I don't know.
	I don't regret any of it.
	Because I don't know, he kind of did make me a little bit more of an independent person in who I am.
	But at the same time, I feel like it's almost like an outgrown thing, is where I'm like.
	What's your current?
	You said you're currently arguing.
	What are you guys currently arguing about?
	Did he cheat on you?
	Oh.
	I don't know.
	Build a T says.
	This is like Build the T side.
	A very public place, but like, whatever.
	It's a good situation.
	Whatever.
	Exactly.
	I'm prefacing this.
	I don't know who's watching, but like.
	Just a little posture check.
	Yeah.
	Good pot.
	Is that.
	How tall are you, by the way?
	I'm five foot.
	Okay, we got her two boosters.
	I'm trying to do it.
	I know.
	I'm on two boosters.
	It's all good right now.
	Are you actually?
	Yeah.
	Oh, she beat me.
	So what's going on right now?
	So, just prefacing this, I do love and care about you, just in case he's watching.
	But so my birthday was two weekends ago.
	It was my 21st birthday, by the way.
	So it was like a big birthday.
	He, like, for the past month beforehand, was like, oh, I'm going to come visit.
	I'm going to come visit.
	And I was like, oh, okay, like, cool.
	That's great.
	Nothing.
	And then it got like two days before my birthday.
	I was like, you're not coming.
	Like, obviously, like, it's two days before, and you're not going to buy a ticket for like $600.
	And then he was just like, yeah, sorry.
	So I at least expected maybe a card in the mail, maybe a gift, maybe a phone call.
	No.
	Girl, no.
	He gave shit.
	No, girl.
	We've been in the argument about it.
	Dude, he sounds kind of like a legend, not a legend.
	Good for Afghanistan.
	He kind of read.
	He kind of is.
	No, it was.
	That is wild, right?
	I was, oh my gosh.
	No, it's so frustrating.
	Over.
	Done.
	Don't let your boyfriend keep you from your husband.
	Okay.
	Do not let your boyfriend keep you from your husband.
	I'm just saying.
	You're not wrong.
	Girl.
	He's like, it's just.
	So what did you tell him when he didn't get you shit for your 21st birthday?
	Oh, I gave him so much shit for it.
	I was like, no, like, this is like the biggest, most important birthday.
	Like, yes, I was hungover half the day, but like still could have made an effort to like call or like do something.
	And then we like got in this whole argument about it.
	And he was like, well, you don't talk to me anymore.
	It's not like we communicate.
	I was like, that's not a valid argument compared to forgetting my birthday.
	Okay, didn't he think about it?
	You were in an off.
	We were like kind of fine before that.
	And then just like complicated, as he said.
	Yeah, like maybe like a couple weeks after I moved here, it was kind of like we were fine.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I just had a realization.
	What?
	Okay, so you guys have had these.
	What's the longest off period you've had?
	A month, two months, three months?
	Three months, four months.
	Four months.
	Okay, so have you been for the three years it's complicated?
	Have you been faithful to him?
	Yeah.
	You haven't like dated other guys?
	No, when we're like in our like, when we're together, like we're together.
	No, but I mean when you're off.
	Oh, when we're off.
	Have there been other guys in the picture?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	When he's like, when we're completely like not there, yeah.
	But for both of you, that's the case with him too.
	I feel like he does too.
	Like he sees other women.
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	Like, I feel like he definitely has to be like.
	Not that there's that much to do in North Carolina, but like, he's got to, there's got to be so much.
	There's a lot to do.
	There's not in North Carolina.
	No, God, no.
	It's like nothing.
	Well, okay.
	Okay.
	So.
	There's probably a lot of women.
	So.
	But let's say, okay, you're in one of your off stages and you're dating another guy and you like the guy who lives here, which I assume is more convenient.
	And he reaches back out and wants to reconcile.
	Do you drop?
	Have you ever dropped a guy that you're seeing here because he wants to reconcile?
	Yeah.
	I have.
	But I don't know how likely I would be to do that.
	Like now.
	Now?
	I mean, like.
	Yeah, that was just kind of like messed up.
	Like.
	Have you ever, what did you get him for his birthday?
	Literally, we were at like my parents.
	I went home for the summer.
	We were at my parents' house and my parents bought him a cake.
	I gave him a gas gift card because he uses gas like crazy because he's always driving.
	So I gave him gas money, give him a gift card.
	And then I think the year before that, I gave him a hat and more money and gas.
	And I always do the most cute handwritten card because I feel like that's just super sentimental.
	Yeah.
	I feel like I'm going to do good on them.
	Did he send you anything after the whole fiasco of you guys getting mad?
	Did he send you any flowers?
	Like afterwards?
	No.
	Anything?
	No.
	When he has your birthday night?
	He feels no remorse.
	September 3rd.
	Have you had sex with him since then?
	I haven't seen him since August.
	You see him again?
	Are you going to have sex with him?
	Don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	Oh, no.
	Why wouldn't he give you a birthday note if you're literally going to fuck him after he doesn't get you a birthday present?
	Yeah, honestly, kind of facts.
	Maybe not.
	Men that know they fucked up will get you a gift and they will go the extra mile.
	I don't want to be mean because I don't know you like that, but like the fact that he didn't even try to like be like, oh, here's some like flowers or maybe send like an Amazon gift card or something.
	Yeah.
	Or even a card.
	Girl, leave this man.
	Leave this man, okay?
	My goodness.
	You deserve better.
	You're beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Cards are free.
	And you're young.
	He's just not that into you.
	He's just not that into me, I guess.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I don't know him, but I mean, it occurs to me that it's very it's it's very possible.
	It occurs to me that it's very possible that he's probably just even when you've been in an on stage, he's probably seeing other women.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, kind of.
	I don't know, I think.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	He just does so much.
	like, he either does, like, a lot during his day or nothing, and it's just, like, no, no.
	He doesn't have bad.
	No one's that busy.
	No, no, no.
	Like, it's not.
	Wait, question.
	When you guys are on, how often do you guys, like, you guys will do phone calls?
	Oh, yeah.
	You guys call it every day, every night type shit?
	Yeah.
	That's an L for both of you, Naka.
	No, it really is.
	It really is.
	What a waste of time.
	No, now that I'm like older, I realize I'm like, that is so stupid.
	Yeah, this is, okay, these are your college years and you're in a long distance.
	It's not even, it's not even that you're in a long distance, good relationship.
	You're in a long distance, it's complicated relationship.
	Yeah, it's not that complicated.
	You can solve it in three years, you know?
	I mean, it's not that hard.
	In person, if it's complicated, at least you're still kind of having sex.
	But it's just a sexless, long distance, complicated relationship.
	I don't know.
	No, that's just.
	It's and you guys are hooking up with other people when you're in your off stage.
	I just dropped him.
	But he's fancy.
	I don't know.
	Has he been the only one that you've been intimate with the past three years?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, not like if we're like consistently dating, then it's just him.
	But if it's like.
	Can you use the audio a little nick?
	Just check what's with its.
	How old is he?
	He's 20.
	He's a year younger than me.
	Oh, my God.
	No.
	I always.
	You're wasting your youth with this shit.
	No, like just remember.
	Get you a nice, like.
	No, it's not just him.
	Is he an athlete?
	No.
	Again, bye.
	Is he.
	He's an Instacarter.
	His family kind of loaded them.
	And he uses her card at Instacart.
	Huh?
	Oh, yeah.
	He uses cars.
	I know.
	When he's here, when he's here.
	Yeah, when he's here, he uses my card at Instacart.
	And like, that's a lot of gas.
	Do you get anything from that?
	No.
	Maybe, like.
	This is looking like a liability.
	Yeah.
	What are you doing?
	Like, he'll buy me food and stuff to like compensate.
	As a man, you can buy your own.
	But you're a boyfriend, yeah.
	Bare minimum.
	And he's saying your parents' house with you.
	I mean, he's just a bad person.
	My parents do everything for him, too, which is crazy.
	My parents, to this day, love that man.
	They shouldn't.
	Do you have, Rhino?
	Do you have a diagnosis here?
	Yeah, it's actually pretty funny.
	I mean, obviously, it's not really a real relationship, but I always feel like the long distance thing isn't really a thing.
	Not real.
	But obviously, I can understand having that deep emotional attachment for someone you've been close to for three years.
	So I completely understand that.
	But like, he's smashing other girls, you're smashing.
	It's just like you might just have to let it rock and just let it go its own separate ways.
	Because then it's like, oh, he didn't see you on your birthday, but then a few, maybe a month before, you were smashing someone else.
	So it's like, I'm not catching a flight for a girl getting their cheeks clapped.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, but like, yeah.
	Y'all can still love each other and care about each other.
	That's cool.
	No, 100%.
	And like, he cares like just way too much about like stuff in IV specifically that I like, it's like the breaking point, honestly.
	It's like all you do is like party or you're always with your friends.
	I'm like, it's college.
	You're in college for college.
	That's what you should care about.
	Yeah.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I'm not going to just sit at home every single day, not leave.
	Like, it's like, I hate it.
	I mean, that's definitely another conversation we can get into.
	Like, when you're in a relationship, should you be going out partying?
	Should you be going to bars and clubs?
	We can definitely have that convo.
	So was he trying, just really quick on that, but we'll come back to it later.
	So when you guys were good, would he be like, hey, I'm not comfortable with you, like going out, partying with your friends, that type of.
	Yeah.
	Because you are at like a competitive, I think, at a competitive advantage against him on that realm because here in San Barbara, UCSB, number one party school, Isla Vista, huge party scene versus North Carolina.
	Yeah.
	Are you in the capital?
	I'm in Raleigh, yeah.
	Raleigh, okay.
	I mean, there's a nightlife, I guess.
	But he's not, he's 20, right?
	Yeah, so he can't really, unless he has a fake ID, he can't really go to bars and shit.
	We've like never really been, I've never been with him.
	Is there a, what's the UNC?
	Yeah, there's that what it's called?
	Unicolid?
	UNC.
	Wait.
	No, you got it.
	UNC Raleigh?
	There's UNC Chapel Hill.
	Okay.
	NC State is also in Raleigh, and Duke is in, like...
	Is there a big party scene?
	No.
	For those colleges?
	Yeah, okay.
	Not those colleges.
	I think there's just too many smart people that go together.
	Well, maybe we'll come back to that a little bit later.
	What about you, Sophie?
	I've been single for like, I think two months now.
	Two months?
	Okay.
	Why did he dump you?
	It was kind of a mutual thing.
	We were just, no, it really was, but.
	I know, I'm just, I'm resting.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How long were you guys dating?
	Less than a year.
	Less than a year.
	What was your longest?
	Was that your longest relationship?
	So it was nine months, ten months?
	I don't even think.
	I mean, we were seeing each other for around that time, but we weren't like official for only, I don't know, I want to say like five months, honestly.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So it was a situationship kind of to start, and then it became a relationship.
	And then it became a relationship, and then we broke up.
	And then we got into it, and we were in a monogamous relationship, and then we got into an open relationship after that.
	So during your situationship, was it monogamous then or was it kind of open?
	Then you closed it, then you opened it again.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Who wanted to open it?
	We were kind of just hanging out as like exes, you know, like friends or whatever.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Because you said during the relationship, it was monogamous, but then during the relationship, you opened it up.
	No, no, we broke up.
	Oh, you broke up, but you continued having sex.
	After some time, yeah.
	But because you said you opened up the relationship, but you broke up.
	So we broke up and then we stopped talking for a little bit.
	Okay.
	Like went no contact.
	And then we kind of started seeing each other again and then became in an open relationship.
	Oh, so now you're, wait.
	Because you said it ended two months ago.
	But that ended too.
	So the open relationship ended two months ago.
	Yes.
	Have you seen him more recently?
	Yes.
	How recently did you see him?
	Like two weeks ago?
	Or no?
	Yesterday?
	Last week?
	Last night.
	She was over here laughing last night.
	It wasn't supposed to happen.
	Snitch.
	Snitch on her.
	Wait, so did you hung out with him yesterday?
	No, no, no, no, not yesterday.
	There you go.
	There were your friends growing under the bus.
	No, I didn't hang out with him yesterday.
	This is a safe space.
	Yeah, no, no.
	We were completely no contact for over a month, and I actually bumped into him at the tattoo shop.
	Bumped into him?
	Yeah, no.
	We were both getting a tattoo at the same time.
	You say bumpy.
	Coincidence.
	It was a coincidence.
	You didn't know that he had a tattoo appointment or something.
	If you came just straight into the mic.
	So.
	And that kind of reopened things up a little bit.
	A month ago, you said?
	No, this happened like three weeks ago.
	Oh, three weeks ago.
	We saw each other again and then kind of started talking.
	So when's the last time you talked to him?
	Like an hour ago.
	Oh.
	Like you saw him in person or just.
	Oh, no, no.
	I saw him in person like three days ago.
	But we were briefly hanging out.
	It wasn't.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	Broke up.
	So it was monogamous.
	You broke up, but then you continued.
	So what's the status now?
	We're broken up, but we're talking.
	So you're going to maybe get back to an open relationship?
	No, absolutely not.
	But you're talking.
	Right, but just as like friend.
	I would never go back into an open relationship again.
	No, I know.
	Do you think he wants more?
	Probably not.
	No.
	No?
	No, honestly, no.
	And wait.
	Do you want to get back together with him?
	No.
	He doesn't want to be in a monogamous relationship, and I'm not willing to be in an open relationship with him at all.
	Well, you were for a period of time.
	Right.
	But I ended that because I hated it.
	You were not happy with it.
	Why did you hate it?
	Because I was not able to build emotional connections with other people, and he was.
	So I honestly just felt like I was being like, I was consenting to being openly cheated on because I wasn't really interested in hanging out to other people, and he was.
	Okay.
	Oh, so you were not seeing other people?
	I was, but I wasn't like feeling it.
	You know, I just don't, I only saw other people because he was, pretty much.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I see.
	And you knew, you knew he was seeing other people.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But so you didn't even want to see other people, but you did it because revenge?
	Not revenge.
	No, because I just, I didn't know why.
	yeah you could say like if you're gonna see other people then yeah then i'm going Well, because it would be like embarrassing if he was just like all these other girls and I was just like waiting around for him to know.
	So do you think there's going to be a reconciliation in this relationship or it's just done?
	You know, we're talking and a little bit more.
	Does it not bother you that he's fucked other girls?
	Like, does that not bother you?
	Well, I mean, I have.
	You fucked other girls too?
	No, the other guys.
	Okay.
	Not like a lot, but just a little bit.
	A little bit of stuff.
	Yeah, but I mean, it doesn't.
	How many tattoos does he have?
	A lot.
	Does he do tattoos?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Does he have a necktie?
	No.
	Face tat?
	No.
	Does he have a tattoo on him?
	Does he have no?
	Any like weird tattoos?
	Any weird tattoos, like on his butt or something?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Does he have like the octopus one that crawls out of his butthole?
	I don't want to see that.
	Wait, he does?
	No, Wait, you have a tat you have a I thought this fell out of fashion.
	You have a lower back tattoo, didn't you?
	I do.
	Oh, retro.
	We see it.
	Yeah.
	Because I have not seen a lower back tattoo since 2007.
	I don't know where to like face.
	Oh, just if you want to stay in it and then maybe face this camera?
	Oh, and she got a booty.
	Oh, no.
	Retro.
	God damn.
	Wait, pull it down a little bit.
	Yeah.
	We must stay focused, bro.
	No, no.
	The mic is kind of blocking it.
	Oh, wait.
	There you go.
	I actually scooted it that way.
	Well, okay, one more time.
	That's like a 90s.
	That's a 90s.
	That's like a 90s local.
	How old are you?
	Again?
	I'm 20.
	She's retro.
	She is retro with me.
	She was born in the wrong era.
	Yeah, I was.
	I was like, the Britney Spears and the Space.
	Oh, I wish I was.
	I really did.
	Link 182.
	What else?
	My Chemical Romance.
	Do you Naguera?
	Didn't she have one of those?
	Escape the Fate.
	See, that's like all the stuff I listen to.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no.
	You're cultured.
	Yeah.
	Because I feel like the equivalent tattoo, like the tram stamp was very popular, like what?
	Oh, excuse me, lower back tattoo.
	I call the tram stamp.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, fine.
	Yeah.
	Was what, very popular, like 90s, early 2000s?
	Now the one that I think is the equivalent is the Sternham tattoo, and it's like a chandelier thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know exactly what you do.
	You know what I mean?
	I see that a lot.
	That is.
	Oh, hey, sentience.
	These three hundred and fours offer vague answers for plausible deniability and the illusion of purity.
	They're all lying, they're all single, even if talking with someone.
	Their one thousand cockstares belie their lack of morals, telling all as they can't keep their mouths slash legs closed.
	What's the 304?
	It's Narrow Decode.
	I don't know what it is.
	He is speaking in tongues.
	I don't know what he is saying.
	I kind of got it.
	Say that again in English in modern terms.
	Yeah, we can tell me what your chest.
	Say it with your chest.
	Oh, we got another one here.
	Denver Danny donated $100.
	Hey, Brian, I saw the clip of you rejecting Layla.
	Okay.
	Stay strong.
	I saw that you've said that you like women who initiate slash DMU.
	So shooting my shot.
	I'm 23 and I live in Colorado.
	Can I fly you out for a date?
	I'm short, five feet out.
	Hashtag big lady.
	What's your mom?
	Hashtag big lady man.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I guess you could just, if you want, DM me personally, but I wouldn't fly out to Colorado.
	You'd have to come here.
	You're getting flown out.
	That's getting flew out.
	Nah, I'm too busy to be flown out.
	You must fly out.
	To be flued out.
	But she has to pay for the fight out, right?
	You're not going to.
	Yeah.
	Right, yeah, whatever.
	Of course.
	Wait, okay.
	So there's the.
	Has there been.
	You said you've been single for two months.
	Are you currently like in a talking stage with anybody right now?
	I'm like casually seeing other people, but I'm not really like talking, talking to anybody else.
	When you say casually seeing other people, what do you mean?
	You know what I mean?
	Safe space.
	Safe space.
	Just like, you know, sneaky links.
	Oh, sneaky links.
	Nothing more than that.
	But it's not often.
	Okay.
	Do you just date guys?
	Just guys.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How many sneaking links are we talking here?
	Two.
	Well, I mean, like.
	Julia.
	Julie.
	Sorry.
	Wait, Julie?
	It's Julie, right?
	Julia.
	Julia.
	Is she lying?
	It's two guys, but like multiple times.
	More than two.
	Julia please the fifth.
	No, no, she's telling the truth.
	Okay, so two sneaky links.
	Is there any talking stage?
	So we got two sneaky links.
	Are there any sneaky links?
	No.
	Situation?
	No, no, not at all.
	Okay.
	No.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Do you have a roster like a, what's that?
	I think that's what it's called.
	Do you have a roster?
	Where there's not guys, like guys that you're considering that aren't the two sneaky links.
	For like something more than it could be adding to the sneaky links.
	It could be maybe long-term.
	Possibly.
	Not like a lot.
	Okay.
	You're currently on the dating app, right?
	Should we pull up the dating app profile right now?
	Okay, we'll do it really quick.
	We're going to do it really quick.
	So chat, Sophie was so kind to provide us with her hinge profile.
	So.
	Whoa, holy girls.
	That's not the first one, but okay.
	Can you go to the first one?
	Is there a first one?
	I did it in the order that I was sent.
	Hard lives.
	Oh, do it.
	Well, like, go to the just find the first photo.
	Oh, yeah.
	Everything I know is on my section.
	No, you can.
	Okay.
	All right.
	No, there's a top.
	I think there should be a top one.
	There's like an order to it.
	Just find the top one.
	Nope.
	That's it.
	Oh, this one.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	This is Sophie's Hinge profile.
	So, chat, do you swipe yes?
	Do you swipe no?
	Let us know.
	Her most irrational fear is paper cuts.
	She's 20.
	She's 5'2.
	Next.
	She likes hanging out at night on lifeguard towers for some reason.
	I don't know what's going on there.
	Next.
	Barista.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Next.
	To me, relaxation is guitar hero.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Are you good?
	I'm okay.
	It's been a minute.
	Do you actually play guitar?
	I'm not very good at actual guitar.
	Do you slap the bass mad?
	Slap at the bass mad?
	Okay.
	Next.
	She geeks out on Minecraft, so that could be for some of you.
	That might be a very strong plus.
	Okay, next.
	And I think that's it.
	Okay.
	Is this like an older photo?
	Do you have more tattoos than this right now?
	Do you have the double stars on the tattoo though?
	Oh, you tattooed that?
	Okay, got it.
	So, Chad, do you, yes?
	No?
	Okay, there you have it.
	I don't know.
	I would swipe, right?
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	All right.
	What are you looking for?
	Yeah, what do you want to do?
	What are you looking for right now?
	When you put photos up like that, what do you think?
	Honestly, I kind of stopped going on it because I like swipe on a bunch of people, but I never respond to anybody anymore because I just don't have the energy and I don't care enough.
	How long have you had Hinge?
	Ooh, maybe like a year, maybe like almost two years.
	I don't know.
	I delete it and then get it back.
	It just depends on.
	Oh, but like while you were in your relationship.
	No, no, not at all.
	But so you re-downloaded, I assume, after your breakup.
	How many, if you had to guess, how many matches do you think you get in a day?
	Well, I like don't.
	Well, I guess because not you would have to like on the person on Hinge.
	So I don't know.
	I think there's a way to tell how many people like it.
	It gives you like a number, right?
	It's like people who like it over somehow.
	But I have to like them back for it to be a match.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	But are you currently on it?
	Not really.
	Not really.
	No.
	Okay.
	When you were on it, was it just for something casual?
	Yeah, no, it was, yeah.
	For the sake of it.
	Yeah, I mean, I'd go on it when I was like drunk.
	You're two sneaky links.
	Did you meet them from Hinge or just one of them on Hinge?
	Yeah, the other one I knew from backup.
	Gotcha.
	Who here has been on a dating app?
	Like, not currently, but just at any point.
	That's pretty much everybody.
	Oh, there she is.
	No, never, no dating apps.
	I know she has.
	No, we can talk about that later.
	Well, it's not my turn yet.
	We can talk about it later.
	Or if you want to talk about it now, we can talk about it now.
	I was just asking who's been on the dating app.
	Oh, yeah, no, but you're like, you haven't.
	I thought you were going to ask me why I haven't.
	No, no, no.
	I was just on a dating app, but you didn't raise your hand.
	No, no, no, no, I wasn't.
	Okay, we can come to that later.
	Okay, got it.
	So those of you who have been on a dating app, when you first downloaded it, how many matches do you think that you got within the first 24 hours?
	Like hundreds?
	Lots of matches?
	Maybe.
	I think, I mean, I live in Vegas, and you know, if you're just like swiping, and probably.
	I don't remember.
	I had a few matches, though.
	Like, I mean, I don't know.
	The most I've seen at like once was like the 99 plus button.
	Yeah, that's usually what a lot of girls probably see.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	I would say not that many, just because I feel like I live in Isla Vista, and I feel like you kind of know a lot of people that you see on dating apps.
	So like it's not like I'm swiping.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	On everyone.
	Sure.
	All right.
	Julia, what about you?
	Your relationship situations.
	Yeah, well, I kind of just ended a two-year relationship.
	And we finally am like, we're not talking anymore as of a couple days ago.
	Okay.
	But it's also been very on and off for two years.
	Okay, so you said it was how long was it five or what was the length of the relationship?
	Two.
	Two years, excuse me.
	But it's been on and off for how long?
	The whole relationship.
	Oh, the whole relationship's been on and off.
	Yeah, I kind of.
	Okay.
	And you just ended it.
	You just ended it.
	Was it mutual?
	He ended it.
	Yeah, I just ended it.
	You ended it?
	A couple days ago?
	A couple days ago?
	Yeah.
	But it's been on and off.
	So, okay.
	If like 90% chance you guys get back together.
	Whoops, didn't mean to press that.
	I think this time it's for real.
	It's done.
	Yeah.
	You sure?
	Yes.
	Have you said that before, though?
	Yeah, no, this time's different.
	I've said that before.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Did he like hold on to three years?
	No, here's Zentience again.
	He's our resident roaster.
	I'm not saying anything with my chest.
	I stand on my principles.
	Whereas they kneel in front, there's like the compassling 304s.
	House, they are.
	I think Zantine's had a bad day today.
	I definitely call in one day to roast them, but for now he's a doctor and he's an OBGYN.
	Oh, this is who's looking at our vagina.
	He's just had a rough day.
	He had a rough day looking at pussy.
	Come on now.
	He works.
	There was actually a train accident recently, and some women lost their pussies in the train accident.
	I don't know what happened, but he's being a little toxic, so I ask that you guys take it with a grain of salt.
	We love you.
	Thanks for coming.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Zentiens.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Like an actual train accident or like somebody ran a train on some girls and then they lost an Amtrak.
	Oh, shit.
	I'm just kidding about that.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so Julia, Julia, your guy, you were seeing him for two years, is on again, off again, the entire relationship.
	How many times was it on again, off again?
	How many times did you guys break up?
	I can't even count.
	More than 10?
	Probably.
	More than 20?
	A lot.
	Yeah, probably between 10 and 20.
	Between 10 and 20.
	Got it.
	And more often than not, who was the one who was saying, we need to take a break?
	I'm breaking up with you.
	Him, you.
	It was always me.
	Always you.
	Yeah.
	It kind of felt like I was trapped a little bit, but there was one time where it was him.
	One time where it was him?
	What happened in that situation?
	Because we broke up and then we were not together for a while and he moved back home.
	And then once he was back home, he started seeing someone else.
	And then he just kind of ghosted me and I was a little confused.
	And then I found out and then things didn't work out with her.
	So then he came back to me and then I was like, no.
	Is this the most recent, what caused the most recent split?
	No.
	Okay.
	So is this a long-distance relationship?
	both were living here for most of it and then he moves back home Yeah.
	Is that in California or?
	Yeah, he actually got fired because he was really heartbroken and just like stopped showing up to work.
	So he had to move back home and like live with his parents.
	Oh God.
	Wait, heartbroken over the breakup with you.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, this, you said you broke it off just a couple days ago.
	Yeah, and then we started talking again, and then we just kind of have been like, it's been so confusing.
	So you're, oh, you're currently, wait, hold on.
	You said that this is the final breakup.
	Yeah.
	But you're still talking?
	No, we're not talking now.
	Oh.
	As of a couple days ago.
	So you've had zero communication with him for what?
	Three or four days?
	Yeah.
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So on again, off again, 10 to 20 times.
	You'd mostly break up with him.
	Why would you, generally speaking, he'd piss you off?
	He'd get with another girl.
	What?
	He was just really jealous.
	And like every time I went out on the weekends, he would have like breakdowns.
	Interesting, okay.
	Yeah, and I just kind of felt like, I don't know, I just felt like I am in college, I'm young, like I need to, I don't want someone holding me back from having a bunch of experiences and opportunities.
	This sounds a little similar to her thing.
	So we can definitely, we'll touch on that a bit later.
	It sounds like, but he lived in Santa Barbara too, though.
	Yeah.
	So you would go out and party and he would be, he wouldn't want you to.
	Yeah.
	Would he go out and party too or are he more introverted stay-at-home type?
	He went out with me a couple of times and he hated it.
	Based.
	And so he kind of, I mean, he'll do things with his friends like small parties and stuff like that.
	But he didn't like one go to the Ragers or whatever and I La Vista or I guess.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, and so that was a big conflict point in your relationship that he did not like that you were going out all the time and it made him, was it?
	He was jealous, I think you said was the word, or okay, how often were you going out every weekend?
	Or yeah, I'd say every weekend.
	Because, like Wednesday Thursday Friday, Saturday type schedule, some people party that much.
	So more like Thursday Friday Saturday Thursday Friday, Saturday gotcha.
	And you said, was he also a college student?
	Did he work full-time too?
	You said he had a job.
	So yeah, he was working too.
	Okay gotcha, is it.
	And you do.
	You think it was unfair that he wanted to spend his weekends with you instead of you going out partying.
	Um, I didn't mind spending the weekends with him, but he always ended up doing something low-key with his friends anyways And I didn't really want to be a part of that.
	Oh, you didn't want to hang out with his friend group doing their low-key hood ratchet?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I would a lot, too.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Going back to you really quick, how frequent, you said that in your relationship, your boyfriend, he had kind of issues with you going out and partying.
	How frequently would you go out?
	Do you go out?
	I go out a lot.
	I would say I go out typically like...
	Three to four nights a week?
	Yeah, three, four nights.
	So Wednesday.
	What are the typical nights, like, some of you guys are...
	Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, typically I go out Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
	Once in a while.
	Sometimes is there Wednesday?
	Sometimes wine Wednesdays or something Wednesday.
	Okay.
	So you were going out like three to four nights a week.
	What about you?
	Did you party much?
	You guys are friends, right?
	So were you guys partying?
	I used to not until kind of recently.
	Yeah.
	Well, until I got out of a relationship.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Our friend works at like a little dive bar, so we're always hanging out there.
	Okay, gotcha.
	In the periods when it was on again, off again, would you see other guys?
	Okay.
	We were open the whole time.
	Oh, it was an open relationship the entire time.
	Because you wanted it, because he wanted it, both of you?
	We both wanted it.
	You both wanted it?
	Really?
	I mean, it's really listed.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's typically in most conversations, somebody broaches a topic first, right?
	So I mean, did you guys have early on a conversation about that?
	Yeah, it was before we started dating.
	I mentioned it because I said I wasn't really like ready for something really serious.
	Okay.
	And so we were like, we'll just start open, and then we kind of just stayed that way.
	How does an open relationship like work though?
	As far as like, well, you know, you started open, meaning you would see other people, but then come back home and cuddle at night together?
	Or like, no, like, explain, like, how does that, like, for two years, like, an open relationship?
	Like, how did that work out?
	Yeah, so we didn't live with each other, but I obviously, like, we wouldn't hook up with each other's friends or anyone that, like, we felt we'd, like, I don't know.
	And so, um, and we also weren't, like, going out on dates or anything.
	It was just, like, if we're at a party and one of us wants to make out with someone, like, something like that.
	Like, never anything serious with anyone else.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So you never slept with anyone else when you were with him?
	Maybe?
	Maybe a little bit?
	When we were off.
	A little bit of sex?
	Okay, gotcha.
	But not when we were on.
	Just a tiny bit of date.
	Yeah.
	Do you feel like if it wasn't an open relationship, it would have worked out?
	I think we would have definitely.
	Just for a second.
	Just to see how it feels.
	Just a second.
	Just to see how it feels.
	Never feel.
	No, that if it wasn't an open relationship, do you feel like it would have worked out for you guys?
	I think he would definitely be happier, but I don't think I would have been.
	Do you think you wanted an open relationship because he just wasn't the guy for you?
	I think I didn't know that at the time, but now I do know that that was why.
	Because he's not the guy for you.
	Okay.
	Did at any point he want to close the relationship?
	Yeah.
	For the whole time?
	And when he suggested closing it, that's when we broke up because I told him that that's not what I wanted, but I didn't want him to stay miserable if that's not what he wanted.
	Wait, question.
	When you say that's when we broke up, was it this most recent breakup or was it all the first, the very first breakup?
	The very first breakup, yeah.
	Okay.
	So he wanted to close it, you didn't.
	And so he would, so you would end things, you'd be like, okay, I don't want to be in a closed relationship.
	This is what I can offer.
	I want to be in an open relationship.
	You would break up with him, and then he would be like, okay.
	And then he would miss you and then ask to get back with you.
	And then would he accept?
	He would get back with you, I assume, and be like, I guess I'm okay with the open relationship.
	And then a month later, he'd be like, I'm not okay with the open relationship.
	Can we close it?
	And would you end it again?
	Yeah, it was definitely like that, for sure.
	So for the entire time, were you pretty clear?
	You were clear with your intentions about, hey, I like you, we can hang out, but I want to keep the relationship open.
	So there was never a point where you were not like, you were deceptive in any way.
	You were clear, like, hey, I want this to be an open relationship.
	Yeah, and that's why I ended things a lot because I could tell he was uncomfortable and he was just like lying to me.
	Because obviously if he's having breakdowns every weekend, there's something wrong.
	Why would you keep getting back with him?
	I don't know.
	I think it was really comforting and we got along really well.
	Okay.
	Minus the constant emotional breakdowns on the weekends while you were out partying.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, I actually was in a similar situation a long time ago where although the rules were reversed, I was, I told the girl pretty early up front, I said, hey, I don't want to commit to you.
	I like spending time with you, hanging out with you, but I don't see this being like an ever committed relationship.
	And she would accept it, but then she would constantly be upset with the situation.
	She obviously wanted it to be closed, but it was more preferable for her to just continue being able to see me than just not having me in her life, I guess.
	But so it was just always a constant source of conflict, even though I was always open with her.
	And I said, hey, here's what I'm not looking for anything serious.
	And she would rather have been with me than not have been with me.
	But it was always a source of conflict, and she'd constantly start arguments and shit.
	though I was always it wasn't I wasn't cheating on her I was just like here's what so I kind of empathize a little bit with your situation And she would always say, I'm okay with the situation.
	And then two weeks later, get all butt hurt about said situation, which she accepted.
	Yeah, I also understand her point of view, too.
	I feel like...
	Who?
	Which girl's point of view?
	The girl that you were talking to.
	What do you mean?
	Because I feel like we've all been there where we do kind of hope that maybe they'll change their mind.
	So I do get that for sure.
	It's hard.
	Okay.
	But that's the situation that your boyfriend or ex-boyfriend is in.
	Okay, got it.
	Okay.
	I mean, the solution to these people is to just not continue going back to the because you tried to break up with.
	She was very persistent in my defense.
	She would like, I'd break up with her, be like, okay, you're clearly upset with the situation.
	stop, and then she'd, long story.
	Okay, never mind.
	What about you?
	So I'm married.
	We just celebrated our three-year anniversary last month.
	We've been together for five years.
	Yeah.
	Five years?
	Okay.
	Five years, married for three.
	Married for three.
	Yep.
	All right.
	I assume this is your longest relationship?
	It just surpassed me my longest.
	Surpassed.
	Yeah, because when I was with my ex, we were together for about five years as well.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So how did you guys meet?
	Me and my husband?
	Yeah.
	We met in LA, actually, out of all places.
	I used to be a product specialist for Kia, and he's a professional driver.
	So I was, you know, doing registration, being a product specialist.
	He's a professional driver, testing out the cars.
	And we went on tour for like four months.
	Yeah, for like four days a week.
	And then we kind of just were like, oh, hi, you're cute.
	We hated each other the first weekend.
	And then he asked me out on a date and I was like, oh, shit.
	Ah, shit.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I have been like technically single.
	I've been single for technically a year and a half now.
	My ex-boyfriend, like my actual ex-boyfriend, like he cheated on me like really bad and made me a little bit like psycho.
	But I've had like this on and off situationship slash like I have no idea what to call it.
	It's been long distance or it was and he lived in Orange County and I lived in California or Northern California and we did like long distance almost and his hometown was my hometown where I lived.
	So we would like visit and I just wasn't ready after like getting cheated on to like go on fully date him so we ended.
	Then we kind of like picked back up in the summer and we he lived with two girls.
	Now his two roommates are two girls at ASU so it just didn't really work out considering like the circumstances.
	He goes to ASU?
	Yeah the biggest party school is that why you're going to be transferring that aren't you?
	No I was already planning on that.
	It just so happened that that was always in our plan.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Wait, so you said you're you've been technically single for 1.5 years?
	Yeah, something like that.
	But like when I'm with him like I'm like very like committed to him like you won't catch me like talking to anyone else like even though it's like not in the legal terms of like a situationship.
	Like my eyes are not on anyone else like when I'm with him so or when I was.
	And wait so and you were in a relationship for two years you said?
	It was like a year and two months, three months.
	Yeah.
	And wait, was it on again off again?
	No, it was like a full consistent relationship.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	It ended 1.5 years ago.
	Yeah, something like that.
	The timelines are all kind of blurry.
	Time goes fast, but yeah.
	So technically single for 1.5 years.
	Technically, yes.
	But you're still kind of interested in him?
	Oh, no.
	We'd love that.
	So, but for 1.5 years, I mean, have you had any situationships, guys you've been talking to?
	It's been like him.
	And then, like, of course, I've met a few along the way, like, in between us being on and off, but, like, nothing ever serious.
	Hold on, I'm a little confused.
	You said it's not, it wasn't on and off, but it is on and off.
	No, okay.
	My ex-you're confused.
	It's two different guys.
	So I dated this guy, like, a year and a half ago, right?
	Yeah.
	Like, consecutively.
	Like, I dated him, like, our total relationship was.
	He's done.
	You guys have to do that.
	He's a cheater.
	He cheated on me with like 13-year-olds.
	Weird.
	Anyways.
	Yikes.
	Yes.
	And the girls are all amazing.
	They're about to graduate high school this year.
	Just to be clear, though, let's just get a clarification.
	You said, because you're 19, you dated him a year and a half ago.
	Yeah, so I was a senior in high school.
	So he was a senior in high school as well.
	He was 18?
	He was pushing.
	He was 17 and a half, so it's not technically illegal.
	Dating.
	Okay, he was just junior high school.
	He was just sexting them.
	Oh.
	That's even worse almost.
	Yes.
	That's a yikes.
	Yes.
	He got his karma.
	He got his karma?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He got jail time?
	No.
	Monthly karma deserved it.
	He got his karma.
	But okay, that's the old guy.
	Yeah, that's the guy.
	There's a new guy.
	There's a new guy.
	Following that breakup, like this guy who's like kind of like always been around, I actually met him on Discord.
	I was like on some guy's Discord.
	Discord?
	Yes.
	I was like wearing his headset and all of a sudden this guy came through and we just exchanged Snapchats and then we started talking.
	And then we stopped talking.
	I got a boyfriend.
	That was the cheating boyfriend.
	And then after the relationship, he found out I was single.
	So he kind of slid back in.
	And we had that little fling.
	But obviously, after getting cheated on and just being kind of like, uh-uh, I was just not ready for that.
	Okay.
	Dating, so it just did not work out.
	And then this summer, we went back to like what we had.
	And then he was transferring out from Orange Coast College, which is the college that he went to nearby here.
	And he went to ASU and he lives with two girls at ASU.
	Discord guy.
	Yep, Discord.
	Discord guy.
	Okay.
	Yeah, sorry.
	So you're still kind of talking to him.
	You guys met in person, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	We like used to travel to each other.
	Like, I was just there a few months ago, like before we tragically ended up.
	But you were never in a relationship with him, official relationship?
	Not official, right?
	How long were you like romantically involved?
	First time was like six months, and then the second time.
	First time what?
	Like after me and my ex broke up, the one that was a cheater with the younger girls.
	Yeah.
	First time what, though?
	You guys linked up?
	Yeah, first time we like had our talking stage was like six months long and that was like a brutally long talking stage.
	So that ended.
	And then second time, it was just like from May of this year to August.
	Like once I moved here, it just kind of fell.
	So technically single 1.5 years.
	You were involved for a brief period with Discord man.
	Yeah.
	Have you seen any other guys?
	Not since Discord man.
	Like since our singer.
	But like a sneaky link, a fling, anything like that?
	Your friends throwing you under the back here by the way.
	Oh, not recently.
	Like since I've been in Santa Barbara, no, but in the 1.5 years.
	Yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	What are we talking about?
	Like friends.
	Like five sneaky links?
	No, no, no.
	Two sneaky links?
	Some friends.
	Three sneaky links?
	Like a few friends, yeah.
	Three to four sneaky links.
	No friends.
	A friend's name.
	Like I tried to get to know other guys, but they just weren't.
	What about my mind's not?
	What about right now?
	Zero.
	I'm so celibate.
	I'm literally celibate.
	Yes, and I'm stuck.
	Stuck?
	Yes.
	What do you mean?
	Like, just like trying to move on.
	There's not one guy in the picture, right?
	No.
	Nothing.
	Literally, my roster is clean.
	Roster is clean.
	Like, actually, if you opened up, yeah.
	If I opened up what?
	My Snapchat, you would see he is literally the only guy I talked to.
	Who?
	Which guy?
	Discord man?
	Discord man.
	You're still talking?
	Oh, wait, wait, wait.
	No, like, snap.
	Oh, if I opened your snap, okay.
	The kids are so serious.
	I'm celibate.
	Oh, my God.
	You're celibacy?
	Yeah.
	I feel celibate.
	She only communicates on snaps.
	Okay, you claim to be celibate.
	No, I actually end them.
	For what, like, two weeks?
	Me and him have not been together since August.
	And there's not been another guy, the sneaky link?
	So what?
	Two months?
	Two-month celibacy periods?
	You're friends, right?
	You guys are friends, right?
	Yeah, we're friends.
	We're roommates and we're friends.
	Oh, you're roommates.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have I brought a guy over since moving back here?
	Thank you.
	But has she got home a little late, a couple nights?
	Actually, not this semester?
	Not this semester.
	Last semester is a different question for us.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am currently single.
	I've been single for probably like two years, and my longest relationship was a five-year relationship.
	Single for you said single for two years, longest relationship, five-year relationship.
	That's like a high school relationship.
	Yeah, it was like high school going in, because I went to community college for two years, so it was like high school going into community college.
	Okay.
	So you've been single for two years, but have you had in that two-year period a little situationships?
	Like when we first ended things, like I spoke to a couple people, but nothing was ever like serious.
	And yeah.
	What about right now?
	I've been a couple sneaky links.
	No sneaky links.
	I haven't, I've been like speaking to someone for a little while.
	It's been actually like a few couple months, but I haven't been with like, I'm not like, I don't go around like doing other things.
	So I've only been speaking to one person probably since like January.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am single for a couple months, but my longest relationship was like two years.
	Two years.
	Okay.
	I've been single for a couple months.
	Do you currently, is there somebody you're currently talking to now?
	Situationship, talking stage, or just nunnery?
	I kind of just got out of a talking stage recently, like a couple days ago.
	A couple days ago?
	Okay.
	Yeah, we like dated for a little bit, and then we broke up.
	And then when I got back, we talked for a little bit and then we stopped talking.
	Okay.
	Let me.
	Ryan, what about you?
	I had a, let's see, I had like a two-year relationship, and that ended at the beginning of this year.
	So I've been just kind of lost in the sauce for the last, how many months is it?
	This whole year, basically.
	I've just been in the mix.
	2023.
	Yeah.
	It's a mess.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	Let me get a couple.
	Oh, okay.
	Let me see here.
	First thing I need to do.
	Hold on.
	We had a couple chats here that was submitted before the show.
	Hold on.
	Klaus Von Gogh donated $207.
	Thank you, Ryan.
	Thank you so much.
	I wanted to thank you for saving me the other weekend on the boat fishing.
	I had no idea I had hooked a great white as it pulled me into the ocean.
	If you hadn't acted with such speed and raw strength to pull me out of the water, Ryde be dead.
	That's right.
	We were on a fishing expedition, and this is a normally, I don't know if you normally don't send it from this username, but yeah, I saved him.
	I saved him.
	We were on a canoe.
	It's a long story.
	Okay.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	I had a couple notes.
	I want to wait until she's back to get into this.
	I don't know what she- I think she went to pee.
	Okay.
	I have a question for you while we wait for her to get back.
	So you do feminist studies.
	Have you found that men are scared off by your course of study?
	For sure.
	I think it's like we only have, like, I've only seen a smaller percentage of men in my major.
	But I think the way that it is labeled is like more towards women, just the study of women.
	So obviously, a lot of men aren't that interested in that.
	So it makes sense.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	We'll come back to that.
	I'll just get to my notes here.
	Hold on one sec.
	Let's see.
	We have, I need to trigger this one too.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	Klaus Von Gogh donated $207 To the single ladies on the panel who would date Brian, why or why not?
	And Brian, would you reciprocate?
	If not, why?
	I don't know why he's...
	He's trying to find you a wife.
	I mean, maybe we should wait until after you hear all of my hot takes before we get into whether you would...
	Well, okay, maybe we'll do before and after.
	that would be interesting um bro you're you guys don't have to answer this but if okay fuck it whatever um How many of you would pay for me on a first date?
	And take me on a first date.
	Pay for you?
	Yeah.
	Because I kind of need to be wind and dime, you know?
	Like.
	There's a woman that'll do that, but it's not going to be me.
	Like, don't you guys believe in chivalry anymore?
	Like, hello?
	Like, you got to wind and dime me.
	Okay.
	Do we go?
	Fuck, it's a chat.
	Would you date me?
	It's so crazy.
	I swear I did not send this shit in.
	Pico Stein's.
	Bro, why'd you gotta ask this shit?
	Okay, just.
	It's okay.
	You can reject me if you want.
	I don't care.
	Go ahead.
	If you're a traditional man, you're paying for the first date.
	Oh, I was kind of memeing with a little bit.
	You don't have to pay for the first date.
	I mean, it'd be dope if you did, but.
	But I wouldn't.
	But I would not.
	Whether or not I'd pay for the first date, that's another.
	That's what?
	Yeah, that's another.
	If you asked me out, like, and you wanted to take me out, yeah, I probably would.
	Yeah.
	You're a cute guy.
	Brain's got a mission.
	Yeah.
	Look at his eyes.
	Beautiful.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I mean, kind of like hopping off of what she said.
	Like.
	Oh, you know, the date.
	Okay.
	No, no, like.
	Wait until you get it.
	You gotta, like, dinner, not paying, no offense.
	You know, you just gotta Riz, and then I would say.
	I'd have to Riz.
	Yeah.
	Have I demonstrated Riz?
	No.
	Yet?
	Zero Riz so far.
	No.
	But I can redeem with Riz, is what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	There's been zero Riz.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I can turn the Riz on.
	I'll turn.
	I'll Riz.
	Riz.
	I can Riz.
	Riz it up.
	Sophie, what about you?
	Come on.
	Probably not.
	Rip.
	R.I.P.'s in the chat box.
	Why?
	Not enough tattoos?
	He's not like lungy enough for you?
	Yes.
	What do you mean?
	I wear flounders.
	You showers too much?
	Yeah.
	I shower too much?
	Yeah.
	I know what kind of guy she's into, for sure.
	If I had a lower back tattoo, would that change how it turns out?
	That wouldn't do for you?
	What if it was a dolphin?
	Jumping over a lotus flower?
	Would you be kind of into that?
	Possibly.
	I don't know.
	Probably not, though.
	I do have a tram stamp.
	It was a mistake in my younger years when I was not real.
	Can we see it?
	Yeah, show us.
	Yeah.
	No, you gotta pay for that.
	Chat, Patreon.
	I showed mine to someone.
	Somebody send money so we can see it, please.
	Yes.
	Please.
	If he was like a convicted felon, like, would you maybe like, oh, maybe?
	Not really, honestly.
	I just...
	I have such, like, a weird specific type.
	We could...
	We could also go around the table after this.
	Like, what is everybody's type?
	I think that's a joke.
	But since you're on the topic, what's your type?
	I usually do go for guys that are tattooed.
	Not always, but most of the time.
	I mean, like, right off the bat, like, if I see somebody, you know.
	But, and previously, I've definitely gone for guys who should probably have treated me better.
	I, like, I always go for like the douchier guys.
	Like, I gotta stop doing that.
	I'm trying to stray from that now and go for guys that are, like, I want someone to be, like, obsessed with me.
	Like, I feel like I want like a sim.
	Oh, no.
	Kind of.
	Not like, but, like, in moderation.
	No, but, like, that's.
	I've never had a guy take me out all the time and pay for me and like, not, it's not just the like money or anything, but I'm just saying like I, my first like boyfriend, that he really wanted to get yeah, but my yeah he, my first boyfriend, like really wanted to like be seen with me and that's why you liked him right, you liked that.
	I just like nobody oh, you like them to treat you like shit, because when it's like real, because when they treat me right, it feels like a reward.
	Oh god wait, fucking dog, what do you mean?
	I'm trained there, you go.
	No, but I don't.
	It's like.
	It's not like Beauty and the Beast.
	They don't like mean to it's Beauty and the beast, the beast.
	But he's fallen in love.
	But I'm changing that because now I like love myself.
	I've like been in love.
	Yeah, I really I don't.
	I totally have been straying from that.
	Okay gotcha okay, I'm trying.
	I'm completely new mindset.
	That's beautiful.
	Yeah, it's great.
	It's great okay cool uh, what about you?
	Would I date you?
	Um, I think you're not in my age range.
	Okay, how old are you, Brian 34?
	Okay, I'm an old man.
	It's totally your age.
	Yeah, for a 21 year old.
	I mean, I don't know, would you be interested in a 21 year old?
	I mean, I'm not like hanging out at college parties trying to pick up like 21 year old girls.
	But what like if a 21 year old, if I match with a 21 year old on a dating app or someone DM'd me or something like yeah, I'd date them assuming we matched up on other things, you know but uh, the fact that you party three to four nights a week, that's probably a deal breaker though.
	So in different worlds, age my age is a problem, your alcoholism's a problem.
	It's all good, it's okay.
	We're at different life stages.
	Go ahead.
	Well, you're married.
	So if I was not married, I would date you, I would pursue you, I would.
	I like the style.
	The hair is really nice.
	Beard actually, Brian, kind of looks like your husband.
	Brian yeah, you resemble my husband.
	I look like your husband.
	You don't look like my husband, but you resemble him in the fact that, like the eyes, you have a little dictator eyes, like the dark.
	He has dark kind of grayish, bluish eyes where you're not sure if he's a psychopath or if he just has beautiful eyes, that kind of.
	They're green, so it's even more like it's more intense.
	He's got really intense eyes okay, they're beautiful dope, that's cool okay also, are we just?
	Is he also pale, like really pale?
	Yes, he has a little bit of redness to his cheeks too okay, and he does his hair like blushing yeah okay okay, all right.
	Okay, love you, honey.
	Maybe we're related.
	Um, what about you?
	Not you and me?
	Yeah no, I think you're closer in age to my dad than me.
	Therefore, I probably would not date you and you have, I have facial hair.
	No, my dad is married to my mom.
	Okay, I was trying to nah shoot my shot at him nope okay um, facial hair, gotta go.
	Facial hair, not a fan, not a fan, not a fan.
	Okay, you like.
	Do you like clean shave?
	Yeah, just totally.
	Yeah, naked face?
	Okay, all right, what about you?
	Okay, I personally would not.
	Totally fine, I personally would not either.
	Ditto, just visually, like he's just not your type.
	Um, the age, and I don't think we would vibe that.
	Well, there's no vibe zero, there's zero.
	Vibe is not.
	Yeah, I mean, I would.
	I would not date a feminist.
	So that's a major deal breaker.
	Um, feminist studies, that's even.
	What do you plan to do with feminist?
	Like a feminist studies degree.
	She's gonna be a professional grievance person, or she?
	Uh right, i'm professional victim.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Right?
	Isn't that what you can do with a feminist degree section?
	I'm planning to go to law school.
	Okay.
	Oh, I'm on that track.
	Okay.
	So are these just like extra classes?
	Like, I remember in college, like, I'm like, yo, I'm doing everything I can to just, like, you know, get my degree.
	Is this just, like...
	Nick, camera.
	Is this going towards your law degree?
	Yeah, you can technically major in anything and go to law school.
	Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
	So it's just a different perspective.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you have it, folks.
	I don't know why you.
	I didn't ask him.
	Oh.
	Well, I think that was to the ladies.
	Oh, no, it's to the single ladies on the panel.
	Would you date Brian?
	And I was supposed to would I reciprocate it.
	Would you let your sister date him?
	Yeah.
	I don't.
	I like you a lot.
	You're a cool dude.
	Oh, no.
	So then again, maybe I haven't seen your behavior outside of here, so I don't know if I could if I had like a younger sister.
	He doesn't know me well enough to, he hasn't vetted me properly.
	Gotcha.
	Based on what I've seen, though.
	Yeah, I'm a stand-up guy, according to Ryan over here.
	Just he doesn't know me yet enough.
	So, okay, let's see.
	We had, and then this one came in, but I didn't trigger.
	Seven Deadly Simps donated $100.
	Dude, thank you.
	Do any of you consider yourselves feminists?
	We'll go around the table on that.
	So, why?
	Also, 777 decillion 777, no, nillion 777, 777 septillion 777 septillion 777 sextillion.
	Thank you, thank you.
	777.
	Do you consider yourself 77 trillion, 777 trillion, 777, 777, 777,777?
	Thank you, 7 Deadly Simpsons.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead.
	I wouldn't consider myself like a manospheres feminist.
	I think that kind of has like a negative term to it.
	But I think women, you know, should be kind of treated as equal.
	In some cases.
	But I do consider myself more red pill for sure.
	I don't consider myself her kind of feminist, no.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I guess I would say to like some extent.
	I don't know.
	I just think people like to take it a little too far sometimes.
	And I feel like sometimes it's just like, I don't know.
	I love women and go women and women are all beautiful.
	But I don't know.
	Sometimes it just turns into too much of like an argument.
	Too much of a what?
	Like an argument.
	Argument?
	Okay.
	But I would say I'm in the middle.
	Okay.
	I'm with her.
	I'm with both of them on it.
	Yeah, I kind of like agree.
	So we fall into that category, I guess.
	Kind of.
	Like kind of in the middle, sort of feminist.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I feel like everyone has a different definition of feminism.
	I would say I am a feminist according to mine.
	Okay.
	I don't think so.
	I'm definitely not a feminist.
	Women are beautiful.
	I love women.
	We are powerful creatures, but not for me.
	Okay.
	I honestly don't think I'm educated enough on feminism to have a valid opinion.
	I agree with you.
	That's totally fair.
	I would actually agree with her as well.
	Okay.
	I would say I'm a feminist, but I feel like there's a big misconception of it, as in like, go women, it's all about women.
	But I feel like I'm a feminist in the way that it's like there's certain issues that both men and women are facing that it's like it's important to like work through that.
	That's the whole point of feminism in my definition.
	But I can see how like now I think it's a really misconstrued like definition and label.
	So that makes sense.
	In what way is it misconstrued?
	I think it's like misconstrued in the way that it's like women deserve, like, or not women deserve, but like it's all about women when it's not.
	There's like other issues that men also face.
	Men also have like issues with their mental health that's like really affecting younger growing men now.
	Like there's like issues with like being emotional and being vulnerable and things like that that I think a lot of people look past and kind of think that men don't have issues as well as women does.
	Okay, we can touch on the vulnerable thing later.
	Do you, but my understanding of feminism and feminist studies is you view men's issues through the patriarchy, is that correct?
	So there's a patriarchy and that patriarchy negatively impacts women, but it also negatively impacts men.
	Is that a fair assessment?
	Yes.
	Okay, but you do view things through the lens of patriarchy theory.
	I definitely think it's different in this day and age than it was years ago.
	But isn't that what they teach?
	I thought, I mean, my understanding is patriarchy theory is a pretty central tenant of feminism.
	Yeah, I just think it's the way that you view it.
	You could see it as like men are like completely like in rule and like oppressing women.
	And I think it's a big, deep topic, I think.
	Okay, got it.
	Rhino, do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I don't think so.
	I'd have to look at the definition of it, but I don't think I am a feminist.
	I'm shifting and depends on who you talk to.
	If it's about men and women are equal, then great.
	I'm a feminist.
	Is it though?
	Not though?
	I don't think it's turned into something far more than that.
	Has it ever been about that?
	Not really.
	Has it ever been about that?
	I think that's like the label they want to give it, but I don't think it's that.
	Word.
	Okay, cool.
	I think we're all caught up on chats here.
	Actually, we have one.
	Austin Smith, we live in the land of daddy issues.
	We live in the land.
	Anybody here have daddy issues?
	Show of hands.
	Any daddy issues at the table?
	Any daddy issues?
	Julia?
	Daddy, any daddy?
	I'm not saying you do.
	I'm just asking.
	Okay, what daddy issues?
	Yeah, what are the daddy issues?
	He wasn't there.
	I think there's still some women who have daddy issues and have present fathers.
	So like what, yeah, what daddy issues are you talking about?
	Oh, Anissa, could you read this one really quick?
	Yo, Anissa, let me take you to dinner.
	Let's fall in love.
	You quit OnlyFans and I'll take care of you.
	Okay, what's up?
	Do you accept his offer?
	Where are you taking me?
	Where are we going to go?
	Yeah, Joe.
	Probably not.
	Did you read his name, by the way?
	Did you read his name?
	No, it's here.
	I'll pull it up again.
	Can you read his name?
	Jack Mehoff.
	That's clever.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Jack, M. Appreciate it.
	Hey, the OnlyFans, babe, and then we can keep talking.
	Mihoff.
	Mihoff.
	He's asking, or she was asking, where would you take her?
	Yeah.
	And what's your definition of taking care of a woman?
	Yeah, that's what I want to know.
	Because I think to some people, you know, it varies.
	Occasionally talking to her.
	That's not taking away.
	Like once a week for 10 minutes.
	I think that's like the extent of the emotions.
	No, no, no, no.
	All right.
	Nick, were you able to fix the Twitch tab?
	Can you did you fix it?
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	Appreciate it.
	All right, so some of you were so kind to send some pre-show notes to us.
	So what I'm going to do, and once you, okay, I'll get into that.
	So we had Ellie.
	You said you had a very weird story, the Mormon Restraining Order.
	Can you tell us that story?
	Yeah, when I was in high school, I was dating this guy for a very long time.
	This was in North Carolina.
	So I was dating this guy for, I think, like, at this point, it may have been, we were dating for like a year.
	Everything seemed normal.
	It was totally fine.
	He was like the first guy, like, I think I can say, like, I really genuinely cared about.
	So I was like, really, like, involved with him and stuff.
	And then, like, it just got really rough.
	He wanted to propose.
	And he bought a ring.
	And I was like 17.
	So I was like, I don't know.
	I was kind of just so brainwashed by him.
	I was like, kind of, like, weirdly okay with it.
	With what?
	Getting married?
	Yeah.
	For some reason, I was like, what do you mean brainwashed?
	How were you brainwashed?
	He like, I mean, I don't know if it was like him or his family or whatever, but I would just like act like him.
	And he was like kind of rude.
	So like.
	You would act like him?
	Yeah, I would just kind of, or like act like the person he might have wanted me to be.
	So like kind of just doing whatever he says and just following along with him just so that like, I don't know, I had real big attachment issues with this man.
	Like really big attachment issues.
	I mean, but isn't that pretty normal?
	Like you, if you hang out with someone long enough, you start to kind of maybe copy some of their mannerisms or certain okay, so.
	So yeah, he tried to do that.
	And then my parents found out.
	And when my parents found out, they were like, nah, you got to get out of here.
	Like, bye.
	So I left home.
	And I dipped.
	It was like this whole big fight with my parents, like huge, like massive like fight.
	Like my friend showed up.
	It got like physical.
	Like it was bad.
	So and then after that, I just lived with him.
	I was like, you know what?
	Like whatever.
	I'm just going to like live with him and his family.
	So I lived with his family for a few months.
	And we were still set on like getting married and all that.
	And that whole thing.
	And then, I don't know, one day I was just like, nah, this is like something is not right here.
	And I ended it with him.
	And then he got like really upset about it.
	And he would show up at my house and like it'd be just really weird, getting weird texts, weird calls.
	He called the cops on me one time.
	Like I was just in a parking lot with my friend, I think.
	Like, we were getting ready to, like, leave.
	We were eating.
	And he called the cops on me for, like...
	Good times.
	I know.
	I like was sitting there like 17, like shitting my pants.
	I was just like, why are there like cops here?
	And they're like, oh, we got like a call about you being worried.
	You shit your pants?
	Almost.
	How old was this man?
	He was.
	He's like two months younger than me.
	So at the time he was all.
	He's a cougar.
	He was not a man.
	He was a boy.
	She likes younger guys.
	Maybe.
	He was a boy.
	He was not a man.
	He was a boy, not a man.
	So I need to get up here for a sec, but tell us about how the restraining order came along.
	yeah so like that was just Washington five below it was a lot Like, what happened with the restraining order was like, once I kind of, you know, like, came to my senses, I moved back home with my parents.
	It was like this whole big like rekindling.
	They sold my car while I was gone, which kind of sucked.
	But like, other than that, my parents were like, okay, look, it's over.
	Block him.
	Don't do anything.
	And then my parents were like, you should get a restraining order against him because he kept doing all that like weird shit, showing up in like random places and just being weird.
	So I did, and I went to court, and I show up at like the court, and he has a DUI attorney as his attorney, which I was like, what are you doing?
	Like, what are you trying to get out of this right now?
	And so, this DUI attorney comes up to me and is like talking to me.
	And he was just like, so like, what is your side of the story?
	I'm just like wondering, like, what are you going to bring out in the court?
	Like, do you have any like receipts on anything?
	And I was just like, well, like, duh, this is like a court case.
	I didn't have a lawyer because I was like, this is a restraining order.
	This is stupid.
	And then he was like, he had like a folder like filled, like this thick of like a manila folder filled with random like text, like emails, whatever, videos.
	Like, it was crazy.
	I did win, though.
	So.
	See you guys a restraining order?
	Yeah.
	And I haven't seen or talked to him since.
	And I've never like even ran into him or anything.
	Thank God.
	Hate that, man.
	But yeah.
	Because that's a crazy.
	That was a weird time in my life.
	I was all under 18.
	And then I moved here.
	And you said modern dating is crazy because there's so many different types nowadays.
	And even like people from high school.
	Sounds just like that.
	It's a good impression, right?
	Yeah.
	Have families, at least from North Carolina.
	Like, IDK, how fast is too fast?
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	So, like, in the South, you know, a lot of people.
	The way she said it.
	In the South.
	In the South.
	Y'all.
	Like, so, like, people there are, like, a little unhinged.
	I'm not even going to lie.
	Are they?
	What?
	Yeah.
	They just, they're so redneck.
	Like.
	Redneck.
	Yeah.
	Were you a redneck at one point?
	Don't talk poorly about your own people.
	I don't know if they want me anymore.
	You're disowned?
	Pretty much.
	By the rednecks?
	I mean, if you don't own like a Confederate flag or a gun, then you're just disowned.
	Like, they're not very nice people.
	Okay.
	But what was it?
	Yeah.
	It was just, so the South is just.
	I think what you were getting at, though, is like where you used to live, people would get married really young, start families very young.
	Yeah, one of my friends, one of my like really good high school friends, like I love her to death.
	She just got proposed.
	And I was like, wow, like they're like most of the people I do know are younger than me in my grade just because I'm older for my grade.
	But like one of them, or no, one, two, three, four.
	Six of them have had babies in the past two years.
	Three of my friends have gotten married.
	And one of them has twins.
	Like actually, like, they're all like, and they're all like not even 21 yet, by the way.
	Like, they're not even, like, they're full-on married, have big weddings.
	Like, but it's crazy.
	It's just like.
	As the only married person here, do you want to have kids pretty soon?
	Or because you're, what, 27 years?
	I'm 27, yeah.
	Is that in the works, kids?
	At the moment, no.
	I feel like maybe within the next five years, possibly, we talk about it.
	We want to have kids, but both him and I want to do a lot more with our lives and our careers before bringing children into the picture.
	Okay.
	We want to travel a lot more.
	I'm from Brazil, so I'm still in the process of getting my green card.
	And it's like, we want to see the world.
	And we always talk about like, maybe we don't want to raise our kids in America.
	Maybe we want to go somewhere else and have children.
	Where?
	Honestly, like anywhere that's secluded in a way.
	Secluded.
	Why?
	Why?
	Just curious, why wouldn't you want to raise your kids here?
	Yes, we do have amazing schooling.
	Yes, we have great opportunities.
	But the way that society is going nowadays.
	Are you talking about the woke shit?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Go on.
	I just, I don't know.
	Like, our families, both of our families are, we're traditional.
	His family is very Christian, very traditional.
	My family guests were a little bit more conservative.
	I would say conservative.
	My mom is very involved in the church.
	My dad, not so much, but like.
	The church?
	The Catholic?
	Are you talking Catholic?
	Well, Catholic.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Under the branch of Christianity.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	My parents aren't pushing me to have kids.
	His parents aren't pushing me to have kids.
	They know that we want to live our lives a little bit more, but I see it with my uncle and his daughters that I'm like, wow, like I don't, I don't know if I want my kids to, in a way, grow up like this and go to school.
	And I don't know.
	It's just.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I'm 27.
	What?
	Like when I was 10 years old, like people are already on TikTok doing these like little dances and shit, you know?
	And it's a little sketchy to me.
	Like you're still a child exposing yourself online.
	Yeah, I see what you mean.
	So it just, it's different.
	But yes, the woke movement as well.
	Well, going around the table here, I want to ask everybody, do you want to get married?
	Do you want to have kids?
	And when do you see yourself getting married and having kids?
	Yeah.
	When would you like to be, I guess?
	Within the next five years, I think.
	So marriage and kids.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Definitely want to get married.
	I don't know when.
	I guess like whenever it happens, but probably by the time I'm like, hopefully like 40, I'm sure.
	By the time you're 40?
	I mean, like, that's like the cutoff on getting married.
	If I don't find anybody at that point, then it's just game over.
	To the nunnery, you go.
	Yeah, literally, like, bye.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	And do you want kids?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Not by anybody.
	What about you?
	I definitely want to get married hopefully by like 35 at the latest.
	I mean, maybe later.
	I don't know.
	Kids is a maybe.
	I don't know.
	It depends on where I am in life and how I feel about it, but I'm not sure.
	You're on the fence.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	I feel like as of right now, I don't know.
	I think that's for future me to decide.
	Yeah.
	But I do want kids at some point.
	Okay.
	And I'm sorry.
	And marriage too.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I do want to get married maybe like a couple years after college, and I want like three to four kids or honestly as many as possible.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I definitely want to get married and have kids.
	I definitely want to do a lot of things for myself and for my life first.
	Sure.
	So probably around like 28, 29.
	Yeah, I want to get married and have kids by like married by like 27.
	Got it.
	Right now, what about you?
	Yeah, I would definitely want to have a family married, everything.
	And maybe I'm 26 now, so I would like to be a bit of an older dad.
	I don't think I'm ready for kids just yet.
	So maybe early 30s, mid-30s, like 34.
	I might want to knock someone up.
	Okay.
	And kind of related to the marriage question, starting with you over here, when you do get married, are you going to take your husband's last name or are you going to hyphenate?
	I'll probably take my husband's last name.
	It's not very feminist of you, but okay.
	I will take my husband's last name.
	Yeah, I would definitely take my husband's last name.
	You took your name.
	Yeah, but I mean, my maiden name is my middle name.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It depends if I like their last name.
	If you like their last name?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What's your last name?
	McCorkwedale.
	So it would be kind of nice to have a young man.
	Could you say that one more time?
	McCorkadale?
	Yeah.
	McCorkadale.
	McCorkwedale.
	McCork Quadale.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So maybe.
	You should probably take your husband's last name.
	Just throw that out there.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	That was kind of mean, but go ahead and look at it.
	I was going to say the exact same thing as her.
	I mean, if it's like a dope last name.
	If it's cool, yeah.
	I mean, are you hyphen?
	Just be honest, you want to hyphenate, don't you?
	No, I would be open to, yeah, I don't need like my last name, but if the dude has like a weird last name, probably.
	So the last name, if it's weird, no go.
	I mean, if it's just like a normal last name, sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah, if it's like a dog shit last night, I'm taking that.
	Uh-uh.
	If it's like, sorry.
	You're like a family.
	You're going to become a family, like a unit.
	Like, you wouldn't want to have the same last name, even if it's a shitty last name.
	Like, I guess your husband.
	Yeah.
	Your kids are going to have that last name.
	I'm the odd one out, yeah.
	But you can't put like little signs, like the Johnsons, you know, like the little like family thing.
	Johnson's face and like the world's last.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I'd take his last name.
	Okay, gotcha.
	We have a couple more chats here.
	If you can read this.
	Jack Mayoff.
	I'll take you somewhere nice.
	Don't worry.
	I'll pick a good place.
	Maybe sushi or Italian.
	And I'll take care of you financially and physically.
	Oh, and emotionally.
	Oh, okay.
	How much are you making a year to take care of me financially?
	That's what I want to know.
	And I don't run like Italian.
	Okay.
	So is that a yes, kind of, for the date?
	Maybe for the day, yeah.
	Maybe we can get into details.
	Italian.
	Okay.
	Over sushi.
	We have Bender the Offender.
	Damn, I walked into a five and below again.
	Not sure.
	Does that mean we're ugly?
	Bender the Offender.
	I want to know what you look like.
	Yo, by the way, Bender, can you...
	Send your best selfie in the DMs.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well.
	Me yourself.
	Can you send me a DM, Bender the Offender?
	Because I just wanted to.
	It's good to see you in the chat, man.
	I wanted to ask you something.
	Send me a DM, though.
	All right, we have Grid 1 Motorsports coming up.
	Can I have you read this one?
	Maybe.
	You.
	Sorry, sorry.
	You can do it.
	Me?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Grid one motorsports.
	I have to ask, what do the ladies on the panel expect from a man in a relationship?
	And what do they have to offer other than sex?
	In what way, if any, is their feminism a help?
	In their relationship other than to tell them to be a 304 boss babe?
	Huh?
	What is a 304?
	That's a hoe.
	What area code?
	It's like a hoe.
	I don't know what these guys really.
	Don't listen to him.
	It means hoe.
	It's like, but I want to know geographically where 304 is from.
	Wait.
	304 area code.
	West Virginia.
	Area code 304 covers the entire state of West Virginia.
	So he's just something's going to happen.
	You can't say hoe like on TikTok.
	I don't know.
	Huh?
	My sweet instant angel.
	Yeah.
	It means hoe.
	So the question is: what do the ladies' panel, I can't speak English tonight, what do the ladies on this pan expect from a man in a relationship?
	And I guess what do you bring to the table?
	So what do you expect from a guy in a relationship?
	And then what do you bring?
	I do believe in traditional roles.
	Yeah, I do think a man should take care of most things financially, you know, be like the provider, protector.
	I strongly believe in that.
	I think a woman, you know, obviously I want to have kids, take care of the kids, take care of the home.
	He's fed.
	You know, the house is nice.
	I'm there for him emotionally.
	I think a woman should be like a man's biggest supporter.
	Like, I think a good woman by your side, a man can really reach like, you know, the greatest of hypes.
	Yeah, so I would be there.
	I'd be loyal.
	Yeah, just, I think it's hard for men to also like open up, you know, emotionally.
	I'd be like his kind of, you know, safety blanket.
	Okay, hard for men to open up emotionally.
	That kind of touches into the vulnerability thing that she mentioned.
	So we'll come back to that.
	What do you think?
	What do you want?
	What do you expect a guy to from a man in a relationship?
	And what do you bring to the table?
	I mean, in the past I've expected the bare minimum, but now I would say like generally, just like kind of like what she said, you know, I want to be taken care of and provided for and protected and all that stuff in a relationship.
	Now, as far as what I can like bring to a relationship, I don't know.
	I mean, I'm funny, I can help with, like, I can do random stuff, but like, I don't really know.
	Yeah, if you do like random tasks, you're not like good at any, like specifically anything.
	What, like a handyman?
	You can fix a light bulb or what do we do?
	I could fix a light bulb if you ask me.
	Can you change a tire?
	Yeah, actually, I can.
	Wow, that's so hot.
	I swapped my engine once.
	That's what, like, if a girl can fix a tire, like, then I'll just.
	My friend.
	It's done.
	I got you.
	Oh, okay.
	So you said you want to be taken care of, provided for.
	Remind us your boyfriend got you what on your birthday?
	Your three-year-long distance on again, off-again relationship.
	Yeah, nothing.
	Yeah, nothing.
	What?
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	I mean, see, I need to expect more than the bare minimum, I think.
	Actually, that wasn't even the bare minimum.
	Okay, all right.
	Okay.
	But you do want a guy to like take care of you, provide for you.
	Do you want him to start doing that from the very get-go?
	Yeah.
	So like paying for dates, paying for dinner.
	100%.
	I want to be able to form like an emotional connection or like have like personalities.
	Or having like personalities that are like go and like together well and are cohesive.
	Like that's important.
	But at first, like, you got to get, you know, you got to Riz, you know?
	Got to have the Riz.
	The Riz.
	You got to have the Riz?
	Yeah.
	Okay, we can, the Riz, the Viv, the Viv.
	The Riz.
	So what about you?
	Like, do you think a woman should pay for a date ever or take care of her man?
	I think sometimes, yeah.
	Men do need to be spoiled sometimes.
	Just not as much.
	Not as much as women?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why is that?
	I mean, I don't know.
	It's because like kind of falls into the same thing where it's like men are like more like, or what I look for in like men would be more of like a providing like protective role.
	And I feel like, yeah, like I can do that, just not as well.
	Like, I don't know.
	I'd rather be actually, I don't know.
	Do you want a guy to be a protector, right?
	Yeah, that's why I like opposed to like, I'd rather have him like be like the initiator and like the main person and then turn him out the main person, but like, you know, something along those lines.
	Like if he was doing all the protection, would it make sense that he should get the like spoiling?
	Yeah, I want to say a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Guys, spoiled, right?
	So like.
	I have a question, though.
	You said you want your boyfriend, and we talked about this a little bit earlier.
	You want your boyfriend to be a protector, right?
	So you had an issue where your boyfriend, he didn't want you to go out partying and go to the clubs.
	Now, and you mentioned this too with your boyfriend, maybe you other girls here have had issues with guys trying to control you when it comes to not wanting you to go out to parties, clubs, bars, get drunk, go out with your single girl, single girlfriends.
	Couldn't you make the argument that men not wanting their girlfriends to go out to these types of environments is men using their masculine instincts to keep their significant other out of positions that put the relationship at risk and put her in a potentially dangerous situation?
	I don't know, because I think a lot of it with men has to do with insecurity.
	You think it's insecure if a guy.
	Yeah, I feel like a lot of guys are insecure about like their girls and they're like worried that like other guys are gonna like I don't know like make a move or something I feel like I don't know but other guys do make a move.
	I mean yeah, but like you can reject them.
	Yeah, we like Yeah, it's like you should already just be able to like trust if you're not try to be trusting the person then we're like why are you with them?
	Yeah.
	Not okay, like you should just automatically like assume they're gonna be loyal because like that you know yeah, I think they assume that we're going out to like find someone else because that's what they do most of the time.
	That's not like what we're trying to do.
	We're trying to actually like we're just trying to have fun.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But it's just part of yeah no you go because I know what you're gonna say.
	Do you think part of having fun is like going out and like meeting guys?
	I mean, like as a woman, you know, like you're probably gonna get hit on, like you know, a couple of times yeah, if you wanted to hook up with someone, you could.
	And like as a man, like I don't know me.
	As a girlfriend, like what do I need to go out for if like, my man's not there?
	Because, like I'm gonna get hit on yeah, 100.
	And like you're under the influence, you're like I don't know if you do drugs or like you know you're drunk, like you could fall into those traps for sure yeah, 100.
	But it's also a respect thing.
	Like for your significant other, like when you're in a committed relationship.
	I feel like the respect factor of it is like maybe you shouldn't go out clubbing and partying and putting yourself in that situation.
	I don't think it's an insecurity thing for men.
	I think it's more so a respect thing, especially in a day and age where we post on, keep going, keep going, go ahead.
	No, I'm just saying in a day and age that we post on social media a lot, you know, I think that men always have their friends in their ears being like yo, your girl's out partying, like actually they're fucking slut sorry, but like that's how men think that is literally how men think and it's a respect thing.
	And then when men get it from their friends, they're like whoa, my ego has been bruised and that's why they're like upset with you.
	Yeah, I get that.
	I like the way you put that, like i'm not saying don't go party, don't have fun, but like keep that in the back of the mind of like it's a respect thing.
	At the end of the day, you know, go party together, go do things together.
	If you want to have a girls day, there's other things than going out to bars and partying like that, you know.
	And I will say like we both work in a nightclub and there have been many instances where we've seen a girl just completely wasted with like a group of guys and there's been times where i'm like you need to get out of here or i'm gonna get someone to kick you out of here because you guys are gonna completely take advantage of you.
	I have a question kind of related to what she's saying.
	Do you guys think that people make mistakes when it comes to infidelity?
	Like you can end up in a situation due to the circumstances alcohol is involved, drugs are involved, maybe you're just.
	You just had, you're still in a relationship but you had an argument with your boyfriend.
	You're both kind of upset.
	You're with your single female friends that would love to have you back single again.
	Um, do these all these factors can they coalesce and potentially lead to somebody making uh, making a mistake leading to infidelity?
	Because people cheat sometimes.
	Sometimes they cheat intentionally.
	Sometimes people will cheat.
	They fucked up.
	They made a mistake and they feel terrible about it.
	100%.
	Like, I see it five nights a week.
	You guys work in the nightclubs, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, these girls, they got boyfriends.
	They're cheating.
	But it's, okay, it's not only girls.
	Sure, guys.
	Yeah, sure.
	Men.
	Men, okay.
	The bachelor parties that come in.
	Sure.
	Last night of freedom.
	The friends, they pull girls to the table.
	This is in Vegas.
	Absolutely.
	This is in Vegas.
	This is in Vegas.
	Yeah.
	They pull girls to the table.
	They're like, bro, it's your last night of freedom.
	Like, go dance with her.
	And then it ends up, oh, you're now making out.
	Oh, now you're leaving together.
	Yeah.
	But it's not, it's only women.
	Yes, women do fall into that as well.
	And it just takes as simple as, oh, I had a fight with my boyfriend.
	I'm drinking.
	My inhibitions are lowered.
	Right.
	I also think it does matter, like, who your friends are and who you're hanging out with.
	Like, Ty's, this is my best friend, but she's married.
	Like, we don't go out and fuck shit up.
	Yeah, no.
	She's married.
	Like, you know, so, hey, we're going to brunch.
	We're doing a little lounge or something like that.
	If we go, like, we don't, we don't go party.
	I feel like we've, like, we've gone to, like, industry outings where it's, like, all of our coworkers, but we still have to remember, like, we are part of the company and we're not out here trying to be wild.
	It may seem like that on social media because we're promoting a fun time, but it's not.
	Well, I'd like to hear from you guys over here, too.
	Like, do you guys think a guy not wanting his long-term monogamous girlfriend, he doesn't want her going out partying?
	Do you think that's, do you think that's insecure?
	Do you think he doesn't have her?
	What do you guys think over here?
	I wouldn't say it's insecurity.
	I think that's like a bad label.
	I think when you're in a relationship, there's definitely, you have to have like mutual respect and mutual trust.
	Obviously, I feel like people should be allowed to go out, should be allowed to like have fun.
	But I think that when you are in a relationship, personally, just when I was in a relationship, I didn't go out as much or I would go out with him.
	Yeah.
	But also, I think that saying that you shouldn't go out to someone is also like, you don't really have trust in them.
	But it also is true that like men know men better than women know men.
	Women know women better than men know women.
	So it's like we, they, obviously we know what intentions are.
	We know what like other things are.
	But like if I was talking to someone and they were going to go out, I'd like hope and trust that like they would respect me and not like do something, you know?
	Like I wouldn't push that onto them.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	I agree with that, but I think in like past relationships, like, I don't know, it is a huge like trust thing as well.
	Like having your significant other go out and do things.
	I personally like don't, I agree with like kind of like respecting each other's boundaries and like knowing that like, hey, I don't want you to go to that club.
	I don't want you to go to that party.
	And I think that that's a respect thing.
	And I think that they should agree with that.
	What about you?
	I feel like in my personal experiences, like when I was in that long-term relationship with my cheating ex-boyfriend, it's like really hard for me to judge this question because like when I was with them, I wasn't allowed to go out.
	I didn't drink at the time.
	I was in high school.
	I literally like when I would go to parties, like I would just stay with my girlfriends and they would be drunk and I would be babysitting them like literally like just there to like keep them safe and like I wasn't even allowed to do that much.
	So it's hard to really say like for me if it's like insecurity or if it's because he's like cheating on you.
	I don't know.
	I feel like it was like a projection almost like for him to say, oh, you can't do this.
	Like there's other guys there.
	Like you're going to cheat on me there.
	Like, because that's obviously the end of the day.
	You're like more nervous about your girl going out because you think she's going to like cheat.
	Like that's like the core fear.
	So I feel like it's almost like depends on the guy because it could be a reflection of themselves.
	Okay.
	At least that's what I learned in my relationship.
	I also feel like if I'm dating someone and they don't know their alcohol limit, and I would not feel comfortable with that, but I feel like if they know how much they drink, they like know exactly, like, I don't know.
	I just feel like I would trust them a lot more if they knew their limit and I've seen them drunk and they're not sloppy or could get taken advantage of or take advantage of someone else or like overly friendly.
	Yeah, Sophie, did you win on this?
	Um, okay, hold on.
	Brandon Mills donated $99.
	I've been plastered and cross-faded into oblivion and still know not to go home with someone and sleep with them.
	I've never understood that excuse from others.
	If that is you, you definitely shouldn't put yourself in that spot while in a relationship.
	I mean, yeah, exactly.
	100%.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Facts.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you, Brandon, by the way.
	I mean, yeah, I've like gotten in fights with my ex and then gotten drunk, but that never caused me to go and talk to somebody else.
	I still, you know, it was just I've never felt that.
	And what about you?
	Huh?
	I mean, I don't know.
	Well, okay, do you think it's, let's say you're talking to a guy.
	Yeah.
	And, I mean, it sounds like you want to just be in an open relationship, but let's say you wanted to be in a committed relationship.
	You wanted commitment from the guy, and he said, okay, I'm prepared to be monogamous with you, committed to you.
	However, if you want my commitment, I don't want you.
	I don't want you going to.
	Sports donated $100.
	If you are in a relationship, stop acting like you are single and do not hang out with single friends.
	Both are toxic to healthy relationships.
	I highly disagree with that.
	Yeah, I highly disagree with that.
	Well, I just think some single friends.
	Because I do, some single friends, like I will say, like we recently have gotten closer, but when I've hung out with my single friends, yo, some of those girls are wild and out.
	And I'm like, not even just saying this, I'm like a lot more chill than more people, but like, yo, some single girls are, they're fucking crazy.
	I agree.
	They're almost worse than men, especially because we have so many more options.
	I mean, a lot of single friends want their friends back.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	I agree.
	No, but I think some of them.
	If they're your true friends.
	They don't be with us anymore.
	No.
	They're going to start talking shit about your partner.
	No, absolutely not.
	I feel like...
	Not all the time.
	No, but if they're your true friends, they're going to respect you and they're going to respect your relationship and they're going to respect your partner.
	And if you're in a good friendship, they're not going to put you in that position.
	Exactly.
	But what about like your party ho-friends?
	But your party ho-friends, they want you to go out a party.
	For me, I have distanced myself from.
	Yeah, but you're your friends.
	Yeah, you don't have friends like that.
	I don't feel.
	I don't have friends at all.
	Not very good.
	We're each other.
	The other issue, though, is if you're hanging out with your single friends, like you're going to get a bit of the grass is greener on the other side.
	You're going to get FOMO, thank you.
	Fear of missing out.
	Oh, they're telling you about all these crazy fun adventures they're going on.
	All the fucking people they're hooking up with, whatever.
	You're going to be like, it's going to be a little thing in the back of your head.
	But is that fun?
	No, I don't think that shit's fault.
	No.
	I feel bad for my friends, like acquaintances that are like, oh, yeah, I hooked up with this dude on Wednesday.
	Yeah, I went out with this other dude on Thursday.
	I'm like, you're giving yourself so much to these people.
	Sure.
	I just, I don't know.
	It's not.
	Yeah.
	let's get back to sophie so i forgot exactly what uh fuck What was the conversation thread before the TTS?
	are guys insecure insecure no i think i was at tell me if this is what i was asking Do you think it's unreasonable for a guy to not fuck, what was it?
	Do you remember?
	I was like about to finish my question.
	No, you didn't.
	You just asked me what my input was on this whole situation.
	No, but I was.
	Yeah, you were talking about, you were about to say, like, oh, I want to be in a closed relationship, but now this means grid one motorsport.
	Okay, I got it.
	I got it.
	Disagree all you want.
	I have been married 17 years and have watched a lot of stupid, toxic crap from toxic single friends torpedoing married friends.
	I do not have female friends.
	My wife does not have male friends.
	Neither of us have single friends.
	Okay, I mean.
	Grid one motorsports.
	Thank you, man.
	I feel like we didn't talk about women having male friends and males having women friends.
	I feel like we just talked about the fact that, like, you can have a single friend and still be okay.
	Now, does that, you said, you know, you've watched it torpedo into other marriages.
	Maybe the marriage was the problem.
	Maybe it wasn't super secure.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Maybe, maybe, maybe the guy didn't outline boundaries that would have protected the relationship such as you don't be going out to bars, clubs, and parties and hanging out with your single friends.
	That could have been a thing.
	I do think people have like willpower sometimes up to a certain like limit.
	I don't know.
	I think like, hey, you can be strong and I'm not going to do this.
	But if you're constantly, you're going out every single night as a woman, you're constantly being approached by these guys.
	Like, hey, I want to take care of you.
	Hey, I want to do this.
	I want to do that.
	I think maybe as a woman, you could break down.
	And I forgot if it was you or you who mentioned respect.
	Was it respectful?
	I think men care a lot about respect.
	Even if I trusted my girl and she would never get with another guy, like if she was just at a party and she got a little too drunk and was like sloppy at a party and like other people I know saw her in that way, that reflects poorly on me.
	Yes.
	And then if she was like twerking or some shit at a party, that looks bad on me.
	Yeah.
	So even if she's not hooking up with some other dude, it's just like, in my view, and people have different standards on this, that is behavior unbecoming of a girlfriend or wife.
	But so Sophie, wait, give me a little mental boost here.
	So you were talking about you want to close the relationship, but now you're going to be setting forth.
	Yeah, so you guys, so you guys want commitment from this guy.
	You really like him.
	You want to be monogamous.
	And he says, I'm prepared to be monogamous with you.
	I'm prepared to be in a relationship with you, but I don't want you going out partying, drinking, going to clubs, going to bars, nightclubs, etc.
	Do you accept that?
	Or do you say, you're not going to tell me what to do?
	I guess it depends.
	I mean, when I was in my monogamous relationship, I really didn't feel the need to go out and do all that stuff most of the time.
	I was like super content and happy doing what I was doing with him.
	And the nights that I occasionally did go out, I wasn't, you know, doing crazy shit.
	Or I was really just with like my close knit girls and I wasn't going off.
	And I was honestly texting him like the whole night being like, I kind of want to leave anyway.
	Yeah, it fucking sucks.
	It really, if you peel back the layer, is it really that?
	I don't know.
	Maybe I'm a fucking idiot.
	I had a better time being with him and doing and you know, than going out, and I mean I had like some fun nights just in my apartment, like wine nights with my roommates, but that was really the extent of sure what I was doing when I was in a relationship.
	What about you?
	I mean?
	I mean I get like both sides of it honestly but at the same time, but you guys were pretty strong in the.
	It's insecure.
	He doesn't have trust in you both.
	I know that maybe there's a little more people on the other side of the table, but don't feel compelled to walk back your position just because there's people at the table that disagree with you.
	Stand firm in your beliefs like a rock.
	We're still going to be friends after this, okay?
	Don't worry.
	The waves are crashing against the rocky prompt.
	Secure when you're younger, too.
	I will say, I think my views have changed from when I was 21 to when I'm 28.
	I probably thought more so, like, it's insecure.
	I want to party and, you know, all of that.
	But do you think it's like insecure if a guy, I mean, I think.
	Yeah, no, I feel like it's like an insecurity issue.
	He doesn't trust you.
	Like, I'm not saying that's always the case, but like, I feel like a lot of the time it can be insecure.
	And then, Julia, I think you had the strongest position on this.
	What about you?
	You think, again, doesn't have trust in you?
	He's insecure.
	I think it really depends on the relationship.
	I think some people it's trust.
	Some people, it's just their values.
	Yeah.
	And have you ever met a guy, because you said that your two-year, sorry to cut you off there, but your two-year relationship, you wanted it to be open.
	Have you ever met a guy that's so amazing that you like, I want this guy all to myself.
	I want to be just with him.
	Have you ever met a guy like that?
	I haven't, but I know that when I, I know that I probably will one day, and I will not want an open relationship with them.
	Okay.
	I think a lot of the reason why it was open was just because we were young.
	Sure.
	And I wasn't looking for anything serious.
	But I don't know.
	I feel like sometimes I just want to go out and I want to dance to EDM.
	And I just, it has nothing to do with wanting to hook up with anyone or getting really drunk.
	Like, I just kind of want to have a little fun.
	And I think that's pretty understanding.
	But I think other people definitely have different intentions.
	Okay.
	And where did you fall again on this?
	Were you kind of more so like, eh, it should be fine in a relationship to just, I should be able to go out and party.
	Like, you're insecure.
	Like, it's kind of insecure.
	I think I would play by ear based off the person.
	Like, I'd like examine like the situation and how that person acts around like other people.
	And if they're going out, like, there should be no way that I'm not allowed to go out.
	But like, if they're staying in, like, I'm all down for staying in.
	Okay, I see.
	Yeah.
	I just think it's like almost like equality between the two.
	Like, if they're like out partying and they're like, oh, you can't go out because that's kind of like how my last relationship was.
	I think that's like a red flag and a bad thing versus like if he's not going out, like, why should I?
	Sure.
	Me personally, I don't really drink.
	Occasionally, I'll have like a glass of wine, but I rarely drink.
	I don't go to the bars.
	I don't go to clubs.
	I don't party.
	Not my thing.
	So for me, it certainly would be almost extending into a commonality thing.
	Like, I don't think I would have a lot in common with somebody who parties super frequently.
	And because I'm staying in, I certainly wouldn't want my partner going out.
	But when it comes to kind of, and I think what you're trying to point out is it would be a bit hypocritical if a guy was going out but didn't want his girlfriend going out.
	I do think they're, first off, I don't know, again, I'm kind of cranky, I guess, on this front, but I don't see the point in going out and partying.
	It's kind of, to me, it's just like a waste of time.
	But I do think it's different between men and women because the attention that women get when they go out, it's very different.
	And I have a tweet here that I love to share that's related to this.
	I'm going to shout out LDG.
	I can't say your name because it's kind of little D game.
	Okay.
	So the difference between men and women when it comes to this whole like club going out partying thing, going to bars, whatever, is that, and this also kind of relates to Instagram and like posting thirst straps and shit and why men tend to get upset about this.
	Perhaps the corresponding thing would be like men liking Instagram photos.
	So women run passive game.
	So women don't approach men really.
	You just put yourselves in positions where you can be approached by men.
	So you go to the club, you go to a bar, you go to the party.
	You're not going to DM a guy.
	You'll post a picture to kind of elicit men to DM you.
	So men are salesmen.
	Women are marketers.
	And essentially, in a committed relationship, a man should stop pitching.
	So going up to girls, sending DMs, and a woman should stop advertising.
	So advertising would be putting yourself in positions where you can be approached.
	Because we both run different games.
	Women aren't out there like approaching like 10, 20 dudes in a night.
	They're not sending DMs to a bunch of people.
	Men are.
	Men are going to approach girls.
	Women don't really do that.
	So there is a differential there.
	Women in relationships never give up their edge.
	Women don't, I mean, some do, but like if by you continuing to go out to bars, clubs, and parties, you're still putting yourself out there.
	So that's oftentimes why women will find replacements really quick because you actually like were you were generating leads the whole time.
	Like almost building like a roster while you were still in a relationship.
	Like so I think.
	See, that's where the whole like thing comes in.
	Where if they're going out, then they're still like marketing and then you're still allowed to advertise.
	And if they're staying in, then sure, stay in.
	But the difference is, though, is that we both agree that it would be wrong for the guy to go up to girls and hit on them.
	But you as women, you aren't really going up to guys and hitting on men.
	So for example, the difference between us, like me and Rhino, we could go to a nightclub and just go to the bar, hang out somewhere, I don't know, sit down somewhere, wherever it may be.
	There's no girls, even if we're in relationships, even if we're single, no girls are coming to talk to us.
	No girls are approaching us.
	Whereas for you, if you guys go out to party, go out to a club, go out to a bar, you're going to get flirted with, you're going to get hit on.
	But that's not our fault.
	Yeah, it's just the way you respond to it, though.
	Okay, but I will also say, like, even though I am pretty, like, okay, against that, like, as a man, you probably wouldn't want to go somewhere that there wasn't women around, even if you are in a relationship.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Like, you wouldn't go to an all-male bar.
	Like, women are still in the atmosphere.
	Like, I know there are like tables that we have sometimes, bachelor tables, and there are still some good guys, but they're just like, hey, we just want to hang out with girls.
	Like, it's still just kind of like the chase.
	Like, it could potentially happen.
	You would not go to an all-male bar.
	Even if you're in a relationship.
	But most women, most women don't go to all female bars.
	I would.
	I would love to go to the bar.
	Yeah, women are at all-female parties.
	I think there's definitely a component though of like going out.
	There are a lot of women who don't like being bothered by men when they go out.
	I will say that.
	I think some women, a large portion of women, like the attention.
	Yeah, there are some.
	Even if you reject them, it's kind of that you're receiving validation, even if you like brutally rejecting them.
	And I think even men, too.
	I mean, you could even just have like a, you know, just a friendly kind of flirting conversation and nothing comes of it, even if you have like a girlfriend.
	Like, okay, like, I had this fun little interaction and that's it.
	I think both sexes kind of can, you know.
	Sure.
	Question for you three.
	Would you feel like, let's say you're in a relationship with a guy, would you be opposed to him going to the strip club a couple times a week?
	It depends.
	The strip club?
	Strip club, yeah.
	Why would he?
	I feel like that's kind of like the close.
	It's not, it's still, I think, not as bad as going to the clubs and bars and parties because the strippers, there's no way the strippers are going to sleep with them, but he has me goes to the bottom.
	I actually have a lot of things.
	I was thinking of something.
	I don't kind of like that.
	Yeah, and then I'll just add on to that.
	Go ahead.
	So would you have an issue with him going to the strip club?
	I wouldn't date a guy that would do that.
	Why?
	You don't have trust?
	going to a strip club that's strictly they're like lusting over other girls That's the point of that, though.
	No, they're just like going to hang out with their boys and like they're not going to be able to do that.
	Why can't they go, why can't, well, I can make the same argument.
	Why not just stay home with your girlfriends and just have a quiet, like a drink inside?
	Because a strip club is so different than just like a bar.
	Yeah.
	Like it's just like naked.
	But those girls, those girls see the dudes that go to the strip club as marks.
	They would never fuck any of those dudes.
	That's not true.
	Well, that's not true.
	Well, we live in Vegas.
	Yeah, some circles would fuck some of those guys.
	Yeah, but like most strippers like would not like they they, they hold the customers in contempt almost.
	They almost view them and like sure they might fuck, like whatever, but most of them view them like these guys are dorks yeah, but but the reason that a guy is going to a strip club is to look at other women.
	No, it's just for the bro, the chicken wings or whatever the fuck.
	No, then go to second, like wing stop or something.
	Oh, why can't you just like have a quiet night in with your girlfriends instead of like going to a party where you know you're going to get hit on?
	I think just a strip club in general is just so different from any other.
	Like bar here, how about this?
	That's such a different.
	How about this?
	That's like us going to a males.
	Yeah, that's like us going.
	Yeah okay, let me try, i'm gonna try to back you up here.
	Okay, give me I, I was saying so if you guys had boyfriends.
	And then your guy says, hey babe, i'm gonna go to a party.
	It's a house party, it's a bunch of prawn stars and they, they all want to have, they all want to have sex with me.
	Um, some of them have like roofies in their pockets.
	But like, i'm gonna like try to avoid it.
	How would you feel about that?
	I'm gonna like your man wants to go to a party with a bunch of some cute, some not so cute prawn stars and they all want to have sex with him.
	How comfortable would you feel with him going to that party?
	If they want to have sex with him, then obviously if he wants to go, he wants to have sex.
	So that's the equivalent of when a girl's at the bar no I, a lot of y'all the men are not porn stars wanting to have sex with them.
	I'm making the central argument.
	It's basically just if y'all went to the club and started asking each guy, hey, would you be down to have sex with me?
	A large majority of the men at the bar are gonna say we can run, that we can leave right now.
	Why would I ask that?
	Well well, I don't think you would, but that's the equivalent of you're at a place where everyone there would have sex with you.
	And wants to.
	And wants to.
	And there's also dangerous creeps that are willing to put some in your drink, whatever.
	So what would happen if your man was at a place where everyone wanted to have sex with him?
	You would hate that.
	But if I don't want my girl to be at a place where I know everyone wants to have sex with her, I'm a bad guy who's like insecure.
	So I was trying to make a little equivalent there.
	And just to add on top of that, in addition to just like, let's say we do 100% trust you, right?
	Maybe we don't trust, like he was saying, the other people in that bar.
	So that's just us.
	We just want to protect you.
	Like we want to protect you.
	Because, I mean, I'm sure you guys, like some, maybe you guys have been out and some guy was kind of like he said something kind of mean to you or maybe he was even grabby.
	Like we want to protect you from those situations.
	We don't want you like guys when you know there's some scumbag guys when they're drunk they're going to want to like they might try to grab your ass on the sly or some shit.
	We don't want you to deal with that.
	And in these types of environments, you got a bunch of dudes, they're fucking drunk, it's tight quarters.
	Like and in these types of environments, sometimes, you know, we want to protect you.
	Have y'all ever been, have you ever heard of someone going to a party club and getting drugged?
	Yeah.
	Do you know someone that that's happened to?
	Yeah.
	Have y'all ever been touched inappropriately at a club or party?
	No.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it's like, but then y'all, but then when I say don't go to a party, it's like, you're the worst.
	Like, but that's the man's fault.
	No, I agree.
	It's the man's fault for touching you and agreed, but then you're actively going to a place where you can put yourself in the position.
	You can put yourself in that position.
	So I it's like for related to that really quick.
	It's there's dangerous parts of town, right?
	You in a ideal world, you should be able to just walk through a dangerous part of town at 2 a.m. and nobody, it's the other person's fault.
	Like, should anyone hurt you?
	No.
	But the reality of the situation is being pragmatic, being practical.
	If you put your, like, if you put your, again, it shouldn't happen to you, but if I walk into a war zone or something, like to make an extreme case here, I shouldn't be surprised if I like catch some shrapnel or get, you know.
	So.
	Yeah.
	I was going to say that men tend to view women that they like or love almost like a like a diamond or like a expensive car.
	So if you had a very expensive diamond, are you going to like leave it outside your house and like just kind of let it go wherever?
	And if it's in the wash, whatever, no, you're going to keep it in a display case and you're not going to want anything touching it.
	And it's like, don't go near the display case.
	Don't do that.
	So that's how, or like if you do a comparison to like a Lamborghini, men, if you owned a Lamborghini, would you park it in the hood?
	Even if the Lamborghini had the best locking mechanism and bulletproof windows, are you going to park it in Skid Row?
	Or are you going to like keep it in your driveway, keep it in the garage and polish it and shine the wheels and take pictures of it and take it out for a spin on your own time?
	Like that's what, that's how men kind of view women that they value.
	They want to keep them protected as opposed to, like if you had a guy that would let you, like wanted you to go out, yeah, babe, do your thing.
	I'd almost be worried that he didn't even like you that much.
	But that's from like a man's perspective, but I don't think women tend to think of a man's perspective.
	It looked like you just had a light bulb there.
	Yeah, like hearing like your opinion on that just kind of like opened it.
	It just kind of opened it up like a lot more.
	Like I kind of like maybe had an idea of what the other side of it was like, but like, yeah, you actually did that really well.
	Appreciate that.
	Yeah, I just always hear that argument all the time.
	And it doesn't come from a bad place from guys.
	It's like my ex was controlling, but that's men want to control, control things that they like and things that they value.
	So, yeah, the same way if I gave you something valuable, you're not going to just let it roll around and go out wherever and all that stuff.
	So, yeah, I think.
	But it's in a man's nature to protect his woman.
	It's like that's what it is.
	Masculine instincts.
	We shouldn't be mad at you guys for doing that.
	We should be praising you for doing that.
	Yeah.
	Or no.
	Or did I wrong?
	No.
	Well, I probably wouldn't even want to date a girl who even had the, even if she was single, who was put like that's just a mismatch of to begin with.
	But like, yeah, if she wanted to continue while we were in a relationship, continue going out partying, clubbing, whatever.
	Okay.
	Like, I'm just, I'm either never going to take you seriously and I'll just keep you in sex territory and never commit to you.
	You'll never get commitment from me.
	Or I'll just, I'm not interested at all and I'll go find a girl who's better suited to be in a relationship.
	So yeah, if she goes out, parties, clubs, and bars, red flag, done.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, Julia.
	But that was probably your man's mistake.
	Like, I think just getting with a girl who does that.
	Not saying there's anything wrong with what you're doing, but like he didn't like, he didn't want his girl to go out.
	Like he shouldn't have caught with a girl.
	No, if she wants to do it, she can do it.
	But, you know.
	I just think I do understand your point of view, but I do think for me in relationships, I think I'm my own person and you're your own person.
	And I think that there shouldn't be any control over what I want to do or what they want to do.
	But if you do have a problem with me going out or you see me going out and you see that I'm doing something that is a little, like, flirting with anyone or anything like that, that's when I, like, that's where I feel like the line should be drawn and that does make sense.
	But, I mean, you say you're your own person and when you're in a relationship, there shouldn't be any.
	But, I mean, it's when you guys sit down and have a conversation, obviously you start limiting your own behavior once you get into a serious relationship.
	For example, what was once acceptable when you were single may no longer be acceptable once you're in a relationship.
	For example, fucking other people.
	I think that is it controlling for your partner to not want you to sleep with other people?
	No, but it's just a given not to.
	But shouldn't it?
	I think it should just be a given to not, I mean, exactly.
	It depends on that.
	Not put yourself, not go to bars and clubs and parties when you're in a serious long-term relationship.
	You got to remember the age gap here, though.
	Right?
	Different generation.
	I feel like I'm not going to be going out probably in like a year or two, honestly.
	You also haven't.
	I'm getting it out of your system, I guess.
	Yeah, I'm getting it out of my system.
	You also haven't met a person where you like really like love them and you know.
	But you didn't feel that way about him, so it's so different.
	It's different.
	What about this for you three?
	What do you feel about your boyfriend watching porn?
	Oh, I don't really care.
	Don't care.
	So why is that different than him going to the strip club?
	Because it's like at his fingertips, like almost.
	But you trust your man, right?
	Don't you?
	I don't know.
	It wouldn't bother me too much, but I would be like, I mean, if he was just going for like, well, I don't know.
	He just.
	Men are visually.
	I've never been like, let's go to.
	I'd have like go with him.
	Yeah, he was like, go with me, but that was the only time it was like ever brought up.
	He didn't ever want to get it.
	Grid one motorsports donated $100.
	I am my own person slash.
	He is his own person BS.
	That is not a relationship.
	It's cohabitation at best.
	A relationship is best made when both commit to each other and there is more us and less I.
	I 100% agree with you.
	Facts.
	It's okay, Julia.
	We still love you.
	But Sophie, I think you were making a point.
	Oh, yeah, I really never had to deal with, I never had issues regarding, you know, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	He was sober, so I never, I don't know, I've never been in that situation where I've had to deal with that.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, my personal view is when it comes to your girlfriend going to bars, clubs, parties, whatever.
	Me personally, that's a deal breaker.
	I just don't think as a guy, you should be in a serious relationship with a woman who doesn't realize the importance of limiting their own behavior to protect the relationship.
	I think if you respect your partner, you don't engage in activities which are essentially designed for single people.
	And I guess we can try to dance around it all we want.
	But I believe that bars, clubs, and house parties, whatever, are very specific social gatherings.
	I think they're typically for single people because when you go to, like, bro, I've been to these parties when I was younger.
	It wasn't really my thing, but I went to them a little bit.
	Bro, people be like, be getting finger blasted in the middle of the fucking party.
	I saw that shit all the time.
	Like some frat party, whatever.
	Some girl meets a guy within five minutes, she's fucking him in the bathroom.
	Like I've seen this shit play out.
	And people would be like, well, you don't let your girl.
	No, like if your girlfriend goes to Trader Joe's, it's not about she can't go outside.
	But like, I don't know.
	I don't think in the history of Trader Joe's, anybody met at a Trader Joe's and then five minutes later, finger blasting was happening.
	I don't think it's been the thing.
	You know, it's cool.
	Go to TJ's.
	Go to Trader Joe's.
	It's all good.
	Go to Trader Joe's.
	Ultimately, though, I do think at the end of the day, these boundaries remain a totally reasonable dating standard for commitment-minded men.
	And I do think it acts as a great filter against independent women who think they can hoe around while having a stable dude.
	This is safety net.
	Just saying.
	Just saying, you know what I'm saying?
	Do you agree right now?
	Yeah.
	I mean, yeah, you kind of said it all there.
	So I agree with you.
	I don't know.
	Like, I guess what some people call insecure or controlling, I just call having boundaries.
	It's also just, I can understand why it feels good to be, because I've never been a woman before, but I could only imagine someone coming.
	One time a girl offered to like buy me something, and I was like, I've never forgot that moment for the rest of my whole life.
	And this happened like two years ago.
	And she's like, I'd be willing to get you coffee.
	And I was like, and she wasn't even really cute at all, but I was like, I was like, let's do it.
	Like, hell yeah.
	So, but thinking about, imagine if I had that everywhere I went, every party I went, someone wanted to buy me something and someone wanted to talk to me.
	And I have like, I'm not trying to be a flex here, but I have like 10 million followers on YouTube and all Instagram and everything.
	And I don't even get that level of, no, like no one's trying to buy me shit.
	So.
	So if I was constantly going to places where everyone wanted to talk to me and buy me stuff and compliment me, I'd be there every damn night.
	So I can understand why a girls like going out and like going to parties.
	But I guess you got to give things up if you want the benefits that come with a boyfriend or a partner.
	Do you think it also depends on the type of woman, you know, you're with?
	Because I do think some women can be a little bit more influenced, you know, with like the attention that they're getting from some men.
	But like, for example, me and her, we'll go to Universal and like a guy is coming up to us and she's like, I literally like repulsion.
	She's like, get him away from me.
	Like I don't repulse.
	You know what I mean?
	So I think there's some women where it's like they're not into it.
	Like would you be okay with if you had a woman that was like, hey, I don't even like men.
	I barely like you.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, would you be okay with her going out more?
	I tend to gravitate towards women who have other interests.
	Like, can you rephrase that again, your question?
	I don't know if I can do that.
	I do think there are some women who, you know, when being approached with men, they're like, oh my God, like all this attention.
	Like, I love it so much.
	And then I think there's a different kind of woman who's like, ugh, like these men, I don't even want to deal with it.
	Like, would it depend on the woman, you know, as opposed to a woman who likes attention a lot more and another woman who's like, I'm not really into it, but yo, I just want to go party with my girls.
	Yeah, because I've had situations where, okay, the girl I like and we get along and she has great values and isn't an attention seeker, validation type of girl.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, if she's going to a function or something, I would feel far more comfortable and I'm not going to have my panties in a bunch because she's out doing something.
	that's more of what I was talking about but you know sometimes you just you never want to have the girl be in a position where something could happen But yeah, I completely agree with you where the girl has to be the type of girl who doesn't like the validation.
	I need a girl with no Instagram pictures.
	Nothing.
	Like, no Instagram.
	I mean, that's fine.
	That's not going to happen, but yeah.
	All right.
	Let me get a couple chats and we have Ollie here.
	Yo, Brian, here's 100.
	Dude, thank you, man, so much.
	Really appreciate it.
	You have a powerful platform, so use it wisely.
	Understand that it's a matter of choice.
	Choose a partner who makes decisions that align with yours and make good decisions yourself.
	Boom.
	I agree.
	Ollie 86.
	Good job, Ollie.
	Good spell, Ollie.
	Boom.
	What do you agree with?
	The general sentiment.
	Yeah, choose a partner who makes decisions that align with yours.
	Yeah.
	The alignment part's important.
	Yeah.
	It was really not hard for me to change my lifestyle because I was like so in love with that part.
	I really just, it didn't matter to me.
	Got it.
	Yo, Ollie, thank you very much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Grid 1 Motorsports here.
	I'm from Tennessee, been all over the world, even live at Tahoe, owned a house in the SF Bay area.
	There is nowhere better than the South.
	Brian, you should move the show to Nashville.
	Also, I'm not a redneck.
	I am a Tennessee hilljack, okay?
	Moving the show to Nashville, probably Nashville.
	I've considered moving either to Vegas or Florida because there's no income tax or state income tax.
	I don't know.
	I grew up in California.
	I like California.
	I like Santa Barbara.
	So we'll see.
	State income tax is pretty brutal, though.
	Have you ever been to the South?
	Just out of curiosity.
	No.
	Florida.
	Is Florida the South?
	Well, what about like the panhandle?
	Well, the panhandles kind of.
	No, but I was only in like the Miami-ish area.
	Oh, okay.
	That's not the South, really.
	Come to Vegas, dude.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's not new LA.
	Listen, it is not all partying.
	It is not all.
	Oh my God, you got to go to all the time.
	Like, there's so much to do in Vegas.
	I've been to Vegas plenty of times.
	So you know.
	I've worked there for a little bit, but, well, for some video gigs a long time ago, we have Fally in response to motorsports comment and feel free to correct me.
	If you're in a relationship, having single friends is fine.
	Watch out for the friends who make it obvious they're jealous or annoyed of the relationship.
	That's projecting, not healthy.
	Good point there, Fally.
	Thank you very much, man.
	Really appreciate it there, Fally.
	Okay, let's get into our pre-show notes that you guys were so kind.
	Oh, we have the thing to react to.
	Let's do that.
	This is a doozy, guys.
	This is a good one.
	Nick, could you pull up that Reddit post?
	Nope.
	It's the...
	It was like the second to last one that I showed you.
	Oh.
	Oh, sorry, it says you put it on the top.
	Oh, that's weird.
	Yeah, sometimes it's weird like that.
	Can you scroll it out one?
	Or actually, that's fine.
	So this is posted to Reddit.
	I'm unsure if I should tell my boyfriend this information.
	Maybe actually, let's have, can I have you read this?
	Yeah.
	Because it's a woman, so I figured it's better in a woman's voice.
	I'm unsure if I should tell my boyfriend this information.
	I've recently gone official with a man I've been dating for a couple of months.
	He's kind, respectful, and considerate.
	I really think he could be the one.
	But something is eating at me.
	I wanted to build slowly with this man, but we didn't become intimate until after going exclusive.
	But between the first day and that point, I did see an old FWB a couple of times.
	Ooh.
	Back then, I didn't think anything of it as I wasn't exclusive, but I underestimated how much I could care for my boyfriend, and I feel almost like I've cheated on him.
	Have I done something wrong?
	Do I need to tell him?
	Will he end things with me?
	Update.
	There was mixed reactions here, but my gut told me I should tell my boyfriend.
	He said, sorry, I don't want to be in a relationship with someone who does that.
	Then he blocked me on everything.
	Rip?
	Okay.
	Tough luck, bitch.
	Yeah, that's valid.
	Fucked up.
	Yeah.
	So she was starting to date a guy.
	She wanted to wait to have sex, said wanted to take it slow.
	I guess she really liked this guy.
	But while she was taking it slow with this guy, she was hooking up, having sex with like a friend's old friends with benefits.
	So what do you guys think?
	Was she, and also maybe we know she told us she gave us an update on the outcome.
	It sounds like he ended up breaking up with her.
	She told him.
	Do you think she was wrong for doing what she did?
	Start, actually, maybe.
	Start the other way.
	Maybe we start this, but I want Rhino to go last on this probably.
	We'll start with her.
	We'll start with her.
	We'll go this way.
	Let's do that.
	Yeah, I don't think what she did was necessarily right.
	I think if you like someone, you're like, technically, like you're going to be loyal to them.
	Like, if you're going and like, especially because she wasn't intimate with him, but she was intimate with someone else, I think is interesting.
	Yeah, I don't think what she did was right.
	What about you?
	I agree.
	I don't think what she did was right.
	And she was the one who wanted to take things slow, you said?
	Right?
	She was the one.
	Yeah, she wanted to take things slow.
	So yeah, it was kind of like her personal opinion to take things slow, but she's also like getting with someone at the same time.
	So I just think that's very disrespectful.
	Sure.
	I think what she did was wrong, honestly.
	At least from my perspective, when I actually like someone, my eyes literally cannot be turned.
	And it's just like I could even see myself, let alone do something like that with somebody else.
	So I don't think she clearly liked him that much in the beginning to have done that with someone else.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think what she did was absolutely wrong.
	They weren't in an open relationship, though, right?
	That wasn't part of the text.
	We didn't get any context from that.
	They're just talking.
	They're doing, right?
	They were seeing each other, but it seemed like she had a, she saw this guy as, hey, this is potential boyfriend, long-term potential here.
	Seemed like she really liked him.
	So she wanted to wait.
	It's not clear from the message if they had an overt conversation about exclusivity.
	Yeah, I mean, I still think, but she did say, I want to wait to have sex.
	So.
	I think what she did was wrong.
	Like, fairly simple, yeah.
	Julia?
	Yeah, I agree.
	Okay.
	I agree, but I feel like during the point where she did that, she should have like communicated with him and had the conversation and be like, hey, like, is this something like we're doing?
	Like, are we able to see other people?
	And since she didn't have that conversation, I think it was wrong.
	Yeah, I know.
	I agree.
	I agree, like, partly with you, but at the same time, like, if you care about somebody enough to want to wait, then they're like, what's the point of just going back to like whatever that was, you know?
	Right.
	Yeah, she fucked up.
	Yeah.
	I think she probably wanted to like, you know, save a body, you know, so she was fucked with this other guy, but like, she fucked up.
	So she's really wrong.
	Yeah.
	Definitely.
	Because I think, at least, I feel like even though even though there was no actual, I mean, I'm assuming here there was no actual conversation that occurred.
	Like, we're going to be exclusive during this period.
	I think a lot of people think if there's, if you're not exclusive, that that just means anything goes.
	But I think if you tell a guy, hey, I want to wait to have sex, he's probably going to assume you're not sleeping with someone.
	Yeah, it's implied.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Sort of implied.
	I mean, you're working towards the relationship, definitely.
	She's like loopholing it on a technicality.
	Like, well, technically, we weren't.
	I feel like they should have had a more in-depth conversation if that's something she wanted to do.
	But I don't agree with that.
	She found a loophole.
	She knew what the fuck it was.
	They were going to get into a relationship.
	We weren't exclusive.
	No, bitch.
	Yeah, she fucked up.
	She knew what she was doing.
	Yeah.
	I think the part that's obviously going to bother people the most in this situation is that she said she wanted to build slowly and not rush into anything.
	Exactly.
	And therefore held off on sexual activity while having sex with friends with benefits at the same time.
	No, then I think, yeah, I was wrong.
	She's a hypocrite.
	Yeah, so.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Like, how would you feel in that situation?
	I mean, yeah, I think she shouldn't have snitched on herself if she liked him that much.
	But I guess it saved him heartbreak in the long run.
	But I thought that was a funny concept where girls are like, I want to take this guy serious, so I'm not going to have sex with him.
	But then the guys that they don't like, they'll be getting raw dogged at the foam cannon party.
	And I'm like, why?
	Like, if you, the guy that you don't like, you're letting hit.
	And then the guy that you do like has to wait.
	And I've heard that so many times.
	And I don't know if any of the ladies have an answer to that.
	Why do you make a guy that you actually like wait, but then let the other guy smash you at the foam cannon party?
	Because we want them to respect us.
	Because they want respect.
	I think for one woman, they already fucked up with the other guy.
	You know what I mean?
	And they're like, okay, like, this is already a body.
	Like, he's already fucked me, but I want this guy to respect me and like me.
	So they're going to make them wait.
	But I think you are more so coming at it from why this different standard.
	Like the guy, wouldn't you almost want to reward the guy who you think is like long-term potential?
	And that's, shouldn't that be the guy that you want to sleep with?
	Not the douchebag, dickhead fuckboy that is fucking other chicks and doesn't give a, doesn't care about you at all?
	Yeah, well, I mean, like shit.
	That's who gets.
	That's who gets.
	Women like to be treated like shit.
	And then.
	Oh, women, let's say that again.
	Women like to be treated like shit.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	I think a lot of women, like, I mean, I'm a little older, but I think, I don't know if I've really ever gone through that, but I do think some women like to almost like earn their love.
	Like how she said, like, when it was bad, it was really bad.
	But then when he rewarded her and he was nice to her, it's like, oh, you know, like she felt self-fulfilled and she felt good about herself.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I think a lot of women like, that's not the whole bad boy phase.
	Like, yeah, a lot of women go through it.
	This is maybe a little pro tip for the girls.
	Like, if you like a guy, never tell them that you had a whole phase or you, yeah, I had a few one-night stands, like one or two, and then you make the guy you like here on the date.
	But we're gonna wait, you know, I want us to be more serious because then the guy's gonna feel like they gotta pay full price for something that another guy got for free.
	Yeah, yeah, so another guy got you for it, took him 15 minutes and like a mimosa, and he got to hit.
	And I gotta buy you dinners and do this.
	So do you think you should?
	So do you think she should lie?
	Yeah.
	No, no.
	But what if, but like, what if like you're in a small, like, you know, you're in a small town, like, people are gonna talk.
	You know, he's gonna eventually with that.
	But wouldn't you rather know the truth?
	Sure, maybe you really like this chick, but I'd rather have the red pill.
	Give me the red pill so then I can make a decision.
	And I mean, if it's the case that she has a pass, then later.
	I guess I'm like an ignorance is bliss type of person because I don't want to.
	Obviously, yes, I would like to know.
	Ideally, if I'm talking to a girl, please tell me if you got a train ran on you, please.
	But I guess I'm trying to give them a pro tip.
	No, but I don't think I obviously.
	So I think the angle you're coming from is you're telling them this will be the most effective thing that you can do to get the guy.
	Yes, correct.
	No.
	It is.
	It is, but you're lying in the process.
	And I think, I mean, me as a guy, I'd rather just, I'd like to know.
	That way I can opt out.
	Yeah.
	I think I'm.
	The advice I'm giving, I wouldn't want the girl to lie to me.
	Oh, well, I'm not.
	I'm like being like, I'm being a traitor currently.
	Oh, you're giving them game.
	You're giving them game.
	Yeah, okay.
	Gotcha.
	Makes fine.
	But it will back.
	Like if a girl lies and then you hear through the grapevine that she actually, that's not the case, then that's like.
	Makes you love her less.
	Oh, that's a breakup.
	Yeah.
	Like, oh, listen, yeah, your girl ran a train on her with 10 other dudes.
	She's different now.
	She's different now.
	She's reformed.
	She didn't remember it, so it didn't happen.
	She wants you to wait.
	Okay.
	She's been celibate for a year.
	Her vagina closed up a little bit.
	You know, she loves you.
	I have a question for the girls here.
	And I'll know.
	Please be honest with this.
	Have you ever been hooking up with a guy while talking to another guy and you're making the other guy wait while you're hooking up with another guy?
	A couple sneaky links here.
	It's possible.
	Don't worry.
	Your secrets are safe with me.
	No one's going to see this.
	No one else.
	You're fine.
	Nobody's.
	You're fine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just like small.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	No one will.
	No.
	I don't know.
	Stop the cap.
	Yeah.
	haven't i mean it's you know one of the things that i find difficult with that conversation though is on one hand like let's say a girl her previous her she had 30 previous sexual partners She slept with all of them on the first night.
	And then finally, she's like, maybe she looks at it.
	Maybe I shouldn't do that.
	And then she turns a new leaf and she changes her standard.
	On one hand, it's like we ought to applaud her for trying to take things a bit more seriously.
	But I also would still, like, I'm not going to just say, okay, well, continue like just casually fucking a bunch of dudes.
	Like, good for you.
	You're like maturing, I guess.
	But also, if I encountered a girl who like, well, last 30, she fucked 30 dudes, all of them immediately.
	And then she wants me to wait till marriage.
	Look, it's your, that's 100% your choice, but I'm, I'm gonna feel like, I'm gonna feel like I'm getting scammed a little bit.
	So I'm gonna just be like, okay, I don't wanna talk to you.
	Yeah.
	So what if she did, but what if she fucked you right away?
	Then would it be fine?
	You'd just be upset if she made you wait?
	Then you're like, all the rest of them.
	Yeah.
	No, but I wouldn't.
	It is a difficult position because what do you tell a girl?
	Okay, well, because you've done that in your past, now you just have to continue for the rest of your life being a slut.
	You can never go back.
	I mean, it's tough, but at the same time, as a guy, I would feel like I would feel almost like I'm getting played a little bit.
	Like, okay, because I mean, I would feel as if either you're just, I don't know, it's hard for me to articulate.
	Does she not feel good enough?
	I would feel like she didn't have like a burning genuine desire for me.
	She didn't have genuine desire like she did for the other men.
	I think she views me and like I'm the I'm gonna be the safe provider guy that she settles for and I'm gonna be the PayPalet dude.
	And it's like, no, I don't want that.
	Not that I would do that to begin with, but here's like maybe the reverse scenario because I do think it's the case that women, generally speaking, tend to care a little bit less about male promiscuity or male body count.
	So I think some women do, not saying that they can't or don't, but I think they generally speaking care less.
	And there's a couple reasons for that.
	But here's a couple scenarios.
	So thoughts on the situation, on this scenario.
	You've been in this situationship with a guy for six months.
	You really like him.
	You want him to commit to you.
	But he says he likes to take things slow.
	Somehow, you find out that the last three girls he had a committed relationship with, he initiated the commitment conversation after only three weeks of dating.
	How does that make you feel?
	You're not the one.
	He's not then into.
	No.
	I think men know pretty quickly who they want to commit to if they like you.
	Wait, okay.
	Do you guys have any thoughts on that?
	Like, dislike?
	You'd feel this type of way about it.
	I don't think he's the one either.
	Yeah, you're not the one.
	Oh.
	Okay, but maybe he turned a new leaf and he wants to.
	Okay.
	Maybe here's a different one.
	Here's a different one.
	Your boyfriend, he's had the same job for 10 years.
	Well, I mean, he's, you know, same job.
	So, his income has stayed the same.
	He's had...
	Sorry.
	He's had...
	Did he what?
	He's had no radical changes in his income.
	You've been dating him for...
	You've been dating him for six months.
	And he doesn't really like get you.
	He doesn't get you gifts.
	Doesn't buy you anything.
	You go 50-50 on dinner.
	No vacations.
	Let's say you've been dating.
	Let's say you've been dating him for two years, actually.
	No vacations, no gifts, really.
	Let's see, what else?
	Doesn't really take you on dates that often.
	Maybe occasionally, but not that often.
	And he kind of wants to do 50-50, whatever.
	You find out that his past three girlfriends, he would cover, pay for everything.
	He would take them on trips.
	He would buy them gifts, get them jewelry, all this stuff.
	Always paying for dates.
	How do you feel about that?
	I wouldn't ever date a guy that would do that in the first place.
	Do what?
	Do what?
	We are doing 50-50 all the time, barely giving me gifts.
	You wouldn't, oh, you don't want 50-50.
	I wouldn't be in that relationship to begin with.
	But what if he lost his job and he couldn't do that?
	Oh, that's desperate times.
	Yeah, if we were already in love and he did that, I would understand.
	Oh, okay.
	So you would not do 50-50?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, let's say it wasn't 50-50.
	He was paying for dates, but he never bought you gifts, never took you on trips.
	But all his ex-girlfriends, you find out every couple months, Hawaii, Tulum, wherever the fuck people, boyfriends take their girlfriends.
	I don't fucking know.
	Getting her gifts.
	Here's a necklace.
	Here's a fuck, I don't know, purse.
	Dude, I think it's an L for dudes to be buying next year.
	Okay, but that's another conversation.
	Well, you could take it as like two different ways, right?
	You could take it as they were trying so hard to keep this prize.
	The previous girlfriends were the prize.
	He was trying so hard to keep them.
	Maybe they were out of his league.
	He was like, I need to shower them with gifts and everything, right?
	And this girl, this girl's within his league.
	This girl is comfortable.
	So now he feels like, shit, I can relax a little bit.
	I can take a step back.
	I know she ain't going nowhere.
	I don't want to be that girl.
	Yeah.
	Why would you want to be the girl that doesn't get any of those?
	The one that he's settling for.
	Yeah, it's just settling.
	That's the thing.
	It's like, well, you don't want to be the one, you want to be like special, not almost feel like he doesn't like you as much as he did his ex-girlfriend.
	And that's kind of how we feel when a woman will have sex really quick with one guy and then say, okay, we're going to wait three months.
	But sex is not flying someone out all the time.
	Yeah.
	Sex is not too man.
	It could be.
	It could be.
	It's transactional.
	For a lot of men.
	Sex is transactional at the end of the day.
	I'm not trying to make necessarily a comparison in that regard.
	What I'm trying to say is in the same way that he was doing certain things with his ex, he's not doing with you.
	You were doing certain things with your exes or with other guys that you're not doing with him.
	It's understandable.
	But do you not think like, as a man, do you not think like waiting for sex, like, I don't know, does it make the relationship more special?
	Like, what are you doing?
	So you could fuck someone on the first night and like, okay, I could still make her my wife.
	Absolutely.
	You wouldn't think of her as like, yo, this slut.
	She fucked on the first date.
	Well, there's other, I think there's much better indicators than the rapidity with which a woman sleeps with you when it comes to her potential promiscuity, her body count.
	I mean, speaking from my own experience, I've had multiple long-term relationships.
	I had a two-year relationship, five-year relationship, a couple other ones.
	It was all sun donated $100.
	How about this scenario, ladies?
	You're in a relationship with this stream guy for, say, five years now, and you're hoping he proposes.
	You guys break up.
	You find out he has a new partner that he has proposed to only after a year or dating.
	How would you feel?
	Like, shit.
	It's awful.
	Dog shit.
	Yo, Brian's lost son.
	Thank you.
	Kind of related to this one, it's very similar.
	Your boyfriend of five years has yet to propose to you.
	He tells you he wants to take things slow and he isn't ready yet.
	You find out that he proposed to his previous two ex-girlfriends after just nine months of dating.
	You're not the one.
	You're not the one.
	Men will know within the first six months of a relationship if they want to be with you forever.
	That's how you do it.
	I'm sorry, but it's like, you're not the one.
	And to women, if you're watching this, like, if you're with a guy for an extended period of time and there's no commitment there, sorry, sis.
	Like, I'm so sorry.
	Like, you gotta, either it's gotta happen or it ain't gonna happen.
	I'm so sorry.
	He's just not the one too.
	He's single, right?
	So anybody trying to.
	Okay, so, oh, to bring it back to, I mean, all my long-term relationships, we hooked up relatively quickly.
	Second, second hangout, my third hangout.
	Wait, what's that?
	That's you too?
	Yes.
	No, wait.
	Say with your chest.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Yeah, like you said, there's other.
	I have been with some women where I'm like, I know she's a 304, and I just you just know that there's certain things I can make a whole laundry list of things, but then there are women who are extremely they don't toss it out, but then did stuff early.
	But that doesn't mean that I guess you're able to tell if, oh, well, I really just wooed her over and she respects herself, and this is just a beautiful thing we're having, versus, oh, yeah, she just tosses this out.
	There's ways that guys can determine that.
	And all my long-term relationships, like we were doing it pretty quickly.
	Can you share some of the ways that guys can figure it out?
	So for the ladies at the table, can you know, can you give the secrets?
	Yeah, some insight.
	Yeah, some insight, please.
	If she goes partying and clubbing and three to four.
	Yeah, the partying is a big one.
	That's a typically can be an indicator.
	Not guaranteed.
	Not guaranteed.
	Okay, but I feel like everyone's dog on her.
	Come on, you guys.
	Sorry, sorry.
	But everyone in IV and Santa Barbara definitely go out every weekend.
	Oh, no, no, there's male, female girls.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, every 21-year-old's fucking, you know, raging.
	Yeah.
	Most.
	I think most.
	There's some nerdy, there's some nerdy, introverted chicks that would not be caught dead.
	What if, like, I mean, would you rather not like have her get out of her system right now?
	Like, what if the nerdy stem girl, like, you know, you're in your relationship, she's like, yo, I never fucking lived my life.
	Like, I want to go and she's always, yeah, I want to go party.
	I want to go out.
	Nah.
	She resents you.
	You want to be her first.
	Wait, hold on.
	Rhino is a major L Captain safe pot.
	Why would you give women advice to lie about getting ran T H R you?
	Do not lie and don't get a train ran on your 304 asses.
	Trying to get saved.
	She wants to get saved.
	I ain't going to save her.
	Some 304 streets number 8 at 18.
	Yo, that was some LPP.
	That was some fucking poetry that you kept it safe.
	In addition to a woman, you recommend that they lie about what again?
	I was saying if a woman finds herself in a position where she found a guy that she does not want to lose, I'm just saying what will be in her best interest.
	But women will lie regardless if I tell them to or not.
	So it's not like I'm giving away some secret sauce, really.
	Women are going to withhold their body count numbers and say, oh, yeah, I didn't get toaster strudel.
	Like, you know, they're going to keep those things.
	I'd rather cream pie.
	What was the point?
	You mean Twinkie?
	Twinkie.
	Not a twinkie.
	Because toaster strudel because it's on the top.
	Yeah, but you said I didn't get, but most women get toaster strudeled.
	Not a lot of women get twinkied.
	Wait, what are we?
	I get it.
	We've gone the same way, Blaine there.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	And if a girl likes a guy a lot, don't let him know that you did that.
	But they do that anyway.
	Yeah.
	Girls will do that anyway.
	I mean, but toaster strudeled isn't the guy.
	No, no, no.
	That's like on your stomach.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Sure, just like giving intimate details about your sexual history.
	No, I think that's just pretty much what he's saying.
	Yeah, not like you're going in too much on the twist.
	No, I wouldn't want like when I say like if I'd rather have the red pill, I don't need her to in great detail recount like the like the details of her sexual experience, but like if she's got a high body count, I'd like to know.
	Yeah.
	If she's done a fucking gangbang, please tell me.
	If the entire Division III football team fucked you, I'd like to know, please.
	Damn, not even D1.
	Yeah, D3, it's D3.
	Is that Santa Barbara City?
	Is Santa Barbara City College Division III?
	We don't have a football team.
	Yeah.
	No, there's a football team.
	Really?
	Yeah, see, you don't even know.
	That's Division III.
	You don't even know.
	wait okay so we were talking about like how quickly yeah how can how you can tell Was that what?
	Yeah.
	I mean, there are various factors.
	Although, to be fair, there are some very unassuming women who might be a bit more shy, a bit more quiet, a bit more introverted.
	They got some skills in their closet.
	So sometimes there's no way to know.
	Yeah, there's no way to know.
	Women are really hiding that?
	I think the big thing.
	There's certain indicators.
	She just puts herself in doggy position in a very confident way.
	It's like, okay.
	Okay, hold on.
	But in like a good doggy position or like in a like, I don't know how to arch my back and I'm kind of struggling doggy position.
	It's like, oh, I've never done this before.
	And then she's just like going.
	Full arch.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's not fair, though.
	I mean, a girl can get skills in having had one long-term relationship.
	But a girl could get skills by doing yoga.
	Word.
	Word?
	Just saying, you know?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Where were we?
	I don't even know.
	What were we on?
	I forgot.
	I got some notes here.
	Let's see.
	Oh, I think we were talking about that girl with telling her boyfriend.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	Maybe we, I think we're all caught up on that.
	I had a question here for everybody.
	Do you guys think men only want one thing?
	I mean, no.
	Pussy.
	She's saying that's the one.
	Do you think all men, all we want is pussy?
	No.
	No, no.
	Not all men.
	Most men.
	Most men.
	Most men, but not all men.
	Okay.
	That's a good way to get it.
	Most men.
	And if they get something more, they just got lucky.
	Oh, they got lucky if they get more than pussy.
	No, like if it turns into a relationship, it's not because they were looking for that.
	It just so happened that they really connected well.
	Oh, okay.
	I see.
	I think deep down men are also looking for a sense of security in their partner.
	A partner that provides them with security just as much as he's going to provide her with a sense of protection and security.
	They want that reciprocated.
	Sure.
	100%.
	Sophia?
	Sophie, excuse me.
	do you think do guys do you think all guys want is pussy Maybe right off the bat.
	I don't know.
	depends.
	I don't think all guys know.
	Most guys?
	Most guys.
	Just okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I feel like I'm with the team on this one.
	Most guys kind of just want pussy.
	It could evolve.
	Maybe it's just because we live in Santa Barbara.
	Yeah, it's like a trend among like college students at least.
	Maybe like when you're older, men here have pussy on their minds.
	Yeah.
	Like you can, if you like walk through like a party, all you see is literally people like Mac and like.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you know where they're going after that.
	Yeah.
	So age.
	Age is.
	I think definitely age plays a factor in that.
	You know, as they get older, maybe they're ready to settle down and then that changes and maybe they're looking for something more serious.
	Nowadays don't want pussy.
	Maybe both.
	Yeah.
	I mean, at least for me, pussy is definitely not all I want unless that's all you got.
	Oh, okay.
	That's a quote.
	I think more men want love than like what they realize.
	I think a lot of men that like haven't experienced like that genuine connection, love from a woman, probably like, oh, yeah, fuck these bitches.
	You know, I just want pussy.
	But once they've experienced that, like, I think a lot of men, like, oh, wow, you know, like, love from a woman is it's different.
	Honestly, my view is I think women, that all you want is D.
	No, no.
	Sometimes men want to talk about it.
	Sometimes we just want to, can't we just talk?
	Yes, we can always customize.
	Yes.
	I'm trying to get asked people about it.
	You guys, I feel objectified.
	All you girls, all you want is to have sex.
	And sometimes I just want to talk.
	I just want to cut.
	Like, oh, and you just treat me like a piece of meat.
	It's really weird.
	It's rude.
	Women do do that.
	Yes.
	So, yeah.
	I feel objectified.
	I feel used.
	Sorry.
	I feel like all, huh?
	think the roles are like slowly reversing i think like women are like i'm kind of joking but no no no but i but i i really genuinely think that I think I wrote that to you, that I think the roles are kind of reversing.
	Yeah, let's get into.
	I'm going to try to get through some of our pre-show notes that you guys provided.
	So starting with Jessica.
	Oh, I think we kind of already went over this.
	You said you, wait.
	I made his life a living hell after and told because he was with some underage.
	That's pretty much it.
	I mean, I can't accuse him of them being fully underage considering he was like only about to turn 18.
	So like.
	He was also underage.
	I mean, that's.
	He was technically, but it's just like weird because the girls don't validate it.
	Yeah.
	But you said you made his life a living hell.
	So like, what did you post on bulletin boards?
	Yeah, I did, actually.
	Wait, you printed out his face.
	I, no, no.
	I like posted on TikTok and it like got really popular and like people were just like dogging on him left and right.
	And then like I was really upset with him.
	So I like befriended some of the befriended means like became friends with, right?
	Okay, yeah.
	Became friends with some of the girls that go to his private Christian school and he went to school 45 minutes away and I literally showed up to his volleyball game and he his face like turned white as a ghost when I showed up and he literally walked out of the game.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you feel like you got your sense of satisfaction by doing that?
	Unfortunately, yes, because that just made it blow up even more.
	Do you feel like when you did that you thought about the other girls that were involved like the younger girls that they're like oh shit like people knew I was involved with this man now it's gonna come back on me.
	It's it honestly is so embarrassing thinking about it like 100% but honestly like those girls like they're all really Brandon Mills donated $99.
	Hey Brandon thank you man.
	I can't speak for all men but when it comes to myself in looking to be able to rest my head on my women at night someone I can connect to the average day week or year is so difficult for men you couldn't imagine.
	We just want to be loved.
	I agree.
	Men just want to be loved.
	I think everyone does.
	I think everyone has that goal.
	I feel like the best thing a woman can do for her man is when he comes home, ask him how his day was.
	How was your day?
	What happened?
	Like talk to me about it.
	Men are so like high strung and they don't want to talk.
	Like just talk.
	Have that sense of security.
	You're like, no, I don't want to talk about anything.
	Why?
	Why?
	Why not?
	Why not?
	Is that weak?
	It's not weak.
	It is not weak.
	No, I'm asking.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, it's not.
	I mean, it's more so just like, what's that saying?
	I think silence is golden.
	I think that's how it goes.
	But is it?
	I don't need, like, talk about my day.
	I've already, like, I don't really, I don't want to talk about, I spend so much time at work doing work.
	I don't really want to tell you about it.
	not that's just i'm rehashing my i'd rather just like chill and kick it Okay.
	I mean, that's the situation.
	But it's like, what if you had a bad day at work and it's eating at you inside and you just want to talk about it?
	Bury that shit deep within me, deep inside and let it blow up three months from now.
	That's what I want to do.
	Damn, dude.
	Therapy.
	Therapy.
	Nah, therapy, no.
	No, it's just like, well, okay.
	I mean, and I'm kind of being a little facetious with that, but I think one of the differences between men and men and women is me talking about my issues or difficulties doesn't typically resolve them.
	So I see from a purely utilitarian, almost, I'm probably somewhat on the spectrum, I'm probably autistic.
	Me talking about my issues does nothing to resolve them.
	So why would I feel like it's just to me, it's a waste of time to talk about my problems.
	Have you tried doing that and it didn't work?
	No, it just makes me more upset because then I'm thinking about it and I'm like, I'm rethinking about the thing that made me upset and I'd rather just try to like to me if there is no solution, then it's a situation I either have to accept or try to fix.
	But talking to somebody about my issues does not fix my issues.
	Women love to fix shit, so maybe we can help you fix it.
	I found the right one.
	Well, okay, but typically, if there's a solution to something, like an actual solution, something that I can do to fix the, but something shitty happened, I don't really like feel like talking about it.
	It doesn't help me resolve it.
	Why are you on?
	that's that makes me sad because it's like everyone should you know feel better when they're coming home at the end of the day like but but dumping onto you the difficult things in my life does i i personally it all it just almost re talking about past bullshitteries doesn't make me feel good you Would it make you feel better, like, knowing you're not going through it alone?
	Like, hey, babe, like, obviously dumping is, you know, kind of negative all the time, but just like, oh, this problem happened, you know, hey, your girl can kind of offer solutions or just be there for you.
	But talking, she can be there for me, but like having to articulate the things, the difficult things that I'm dealing with when it comes to work or like something else, that's not particularly appealing to me because it's, my view is it's either something that I can try to solve or I can't.
	There's no point in talking about it.
	What if you can brainstorm?
	I mean, I feel like I have a solution.
	I mean, I'd probably like when it comes to a professional thing, I'd probably I've I have a couple of male friends that I I take their counsel.
	And I'd probably, maybe, like, if I'm really, man, I don't know what to do here.
	I might talk to my girl about it, but that's not really, yeah, I don't feel the need to talk to her about it.
	You don't think men should come to women with their problems?
	They can, just me personally.
	I don't like talking about my...
	If I needed advice on the situation, maybe I bring it to her.
	Maybe I bring it to some trusted male friends that I have that I respect their counsel.
	But I would never want to just vent.
	Is that the word?
	Women get off to that shit.
	Like, when you're venting to us, oh my God, that is a sexy thing.
	I'm calling Capule now.
	No, no, literally.
	That is a sex, like, that makes me feel like, wow, you trust me.
	I'm going to give you some heads tonight.
	What the?
	Yeah.
	Oh, talking about things over, I guess.
	It sometimes doesn't help.
	But for anyone like chat saying it's cringe or beta to just want love are too chronically online, there's a reason men's deletion rate is so high.
	What rate?
	Deletion.
	Self-deletion rate.
	You know, um, no, I just, it's not, it's not that I'm just not going to talk to you about things, but I'd rather I've already dealt, like, I don't want to go deal with the stressful components of work and then re litigate them with you, my partner.
	I'd rather just like, oh, let's have a fucking chill night.
	I don't want to tell you about my problems.
	So if you were to come home and your girlfriend was like, babe, how was your day?
	You're like, don't even ask me about that.
	I mean, I might just be like, okay, you know, when you're in the drive-through line or like you're getting, you're at the grocery store and the checkout person says, oh, how are you?
	And you're having a dog shit fucking day.
	And you say, oh, I'm good.
	Okay.
	That's how that shit would be.
	The girl's not the lady at the grocery store.
	No, but it's analogous to me.
	No, I know what you're saying.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Sure, I know what you're saying.
	That's how it feels for you.
	No, I would probably just be like, it was okay.
	That's it.
	But like, isn't it like comforting almost to like talk to like, like say that like something shitty happened?
	Isn't it like almost comforting?
	If there was a situation where I wanted advice on something, then I would tell her the situation.
	Oh, what if you were just upset?
	But no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to talk.
	I don't like to, it just makes me more upset to just continue talking about it.
	So I just rather just not talk about it.
	Honestly, I feel like most problems, like, if you, if you think about most of the problems you've had in your entire life, a week later, do you still give a fuck?
	No.
	True.
	So a lot of the problems that we think are a big deal don't really fucking matter.
	So I don't feel the need to like relitigate them with my girlfriend and be all butthurt.
	Let's just fucking chill, kick it.
	If it's a really big fucking thing, maybe I'll tell you.
	Now, are you the type of person to come home and ask your girlfriend how her day was?
	Or do you not want to hear about it?
	I don't know if you don't give a fuck about it.
	I damn it.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Wow.
	That's what Ruben's relationship is.
	I might just be like, hey, how are you?
	I'll say how are you doing?
	What the fuck do you talk about?
	Like, you don't tell her about your problems.
	She doesn't tell you about yours.
	Like, what is this relationship?
	You can't even be open and vulnerable with each other.
	But I'd much rather just like have a chance to do that.
	Fucking weather?
	No, but we're going to talk about the weather.
	Oh, let's talk about this.
	Grid one motorsports donated $100.
	My wife made me such a better person.
	It is hard for others to understand.
	I am not a nice person.
	It takes massive effort for me to be the kind amiable human people think I am.
	It is all due to her.
	Aspire to that.
	Be better women.
	Respect, honor, obey.
	I mean, I do think a good woman will like soften your heart in some ways in a good way, not like in a fucking weak simp soy boy type of way.
	No, but that's not what we're wanting.
	We're just wanting you to talk to us.
	I was going to interject and I was going to say, because I would disagree with you.
	And maybe this is because I'm light-skinned and you're...
	No, okay.
	So I'm like a I'm a drama.
	I would say I'm like a drama queen.
	So I, what you said there, like, oh, don't you want your girl to rant to your girl and talk to them?
	I have a natural inclination to want to do that.
	But then girls will often give guys this advice of, we want you to be vulnerable and like open up to us.
	And I'm like, yeah, that sounds great.
	But I found that, and I can't put any studies on this, but women want like a captain.
	They want, if you're on a plane and your pilot's like, I don't know about this flight, man.
	Like, it's just been so hard flying and stuff.
	You're subconsciously going to be, if you're a passenger, you're like, oh, shit, should I get on this plane?
	Yeah.
	So the same way happens if you're in a relationship, women want a leader.
	So if you start opening up too much to your girl and being too not vulnerable, but giving too much drama, too much, woe is me.
	Work was so hard again today.
	No, I don't think women are asking men to be, I don't think vulnerable is the right word.
	I think we're just asking like, share a part of your day with us so we can feel even more connected to you.
	I think that's what we want.
	Yeah, I think men have to open up to their girl strategically because if you start giving too much and like I love being a little spoon and I've loved doing shit like that.
	But then if I do one too many nights as the little spoon, you know, your girl's going to start thinking like, damn, this is kind of a fucking softy.
	I do think egg women could use it against you, yes.
	And I've seen it.
	Like, you know, I think like women can like soften a man, and it's almost like an ego thing to a woman sometimes.
	Like, all right, gotcha, bitch.
	Like, look, you're soft, and look, you're crying, and you're venting.
	And I think, you know, the wrong woman can definitely use it against you.
	So I do think that's why some men are so hesitant about, you know, also opening up.
	Because, yeah, women like doing the talking and the emotional stuff and the let's talk it out and be cutesy.
	And then they'll turn their man into someone that they then don't even respect anymore.
	So the guy that they fell in love with, they've now turned him into a pillow pet.
	Yeah, but good women won't do that.
	I think they'll lose attraction.
	Yeah.
	But it happens on a subconscious level.
	It's not like you're actively sitting there like, I don't like him anymore because he complained about work today.
	But again, that's why I just tell people to do it strategically.
	Yeah, and I mean, just going back really quick to my thing, I don't want to talk about my problems.
	I want to solve them.
	So if there is no solvable solution, just someone was a dickhead or I'm frustrated about something, I really, unless I can solve it, I'd let it go.
	Yeah, I'd rather just not even talk about it.
	When it comes to the vulnerability thing, let's go around the table on this from all the girls.
	Do you think it's a good thing for a guy to be vulnerable?
	Do you think men should be more in touch with their emotions?
	Do you think men have an issue with that?
	You know, men are not in touch with their emotions.
	Men have a difficulty being vulnerable.
	Yeah, I think men definitely have an issue being vulnerable.
	But understandably so.
	I think people use it against them, both men and women.
	So I get why it could be really hard for men to open up, but I definitely think they should be more open.
	And that's why I think it's important to have that safe space, like a woman.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	Like, I definitely think like being vulnerable is like, it's pretty important, but there's also, I think, like a little bit of a point where being too vulnerable is like kind of an issue, you know?
	But like at the same time, we should be like kind of more in touch with like emotions.
	And when you're in a relationship, at least a little vulnerable.
	I agree.
	I think it's important for them to be pretty vulnerable or vulnerable to a certain extent and like not super closed off because I don't know.
	I feel like that could cause a lot of problems.
	Yeah, I feel like definitely in our society, men are forced to not be as vulnerable.
	And that obviously sucks.
	And I think that they should be because if you're, like, for an example, if you're at work and you're, like, frustrated with something and you come back and you talk to your girlfriend about it and you guys really digest, like, what is going on, like, what is making you angry, it could be, like, literally something from, like, your childhood trauma where you're just like, oh, that's why that makes me upset because I had to deal with that growing up.
	And then you kind of figure that out and then you can slowly learn how to, once you see what the problem is.
	You can kind of learn how to work through it and work with it.
	I mean I don't want my man to be a little bitch right, like nobody wants that.
	Well exactly but, exactly but.
	But here's the thing, knowing how society is progressing nowadays, I mean the exit rate for man.
	For you know, a man, can you straighten your mic a little here here yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, the ex, the exiting rate for a man is much higher than a woman.
	Because they don't get to talk about all that.
	It all gets built up.
	I don't think it's because they're not talking about their feelings.
	I feel like that's the suppression of it, the suppression.
	I feel like yes, I don't want my man to be a little bitch, but I do want him, at night, to lay his head down on me and be like I feel safe.
	I my understanding and I I don't recall the exact quote on this, but I think so like if we're talk, if we're referencing talk therapy, my understanding is that talk therapy is more effective for women than it is for men, because I think men and women are different.
	Men and women work through things differently.
	So again, I don't think men are deleting themselves at higher rates because there's they're not talking about their problems.
	But do you think I think that men are talking about their problems?
	And I think I gotta take this.
	Uh, I think the reason that men are deleting themselves is because nobody gives a fuck about their problems.
	That's not true.
	You find the right partner.
	That person will go to the ends of the earth for you.
	They will, they will be there with you yeah, but okay well, I mean, i'm talking more on the societal level.
	But um you, I agree that you don't want to open.
	Okay, you guys been dating for two weeks.
	Don't trauma dump, don't do it.
	But if you're at a place where you've been in a relationship for a long time.
	You're married, you've been together for what 10 years.
	Talk to me about your problems, because if I don't know what's going on with you and something traumatic happens, like deleting yourself, it's like that's a very okay specific thing.
	I'm not like you know.
	I think when we're talking about being vulnerable and being open with our emotions, we're not talking about like we're not talking about that, but it's not.
	I think we're talking about more like generalized things.
	Yeah, I mean yeah, don't be a bitch in the first couple years, first couple years.
	Oh, don't be a bitch in the first.
	You know, like what about you go ahead?
	Um, I honestly think i'd be offended if they felt like they couldn't be vulnerable with me, like not obviously, like she said, like they can't be like dating for two weeks and be like like whatever, but like, if it's like you know, like we're like dating, like we're boyfriend and girlfriend, we're dating, like I feel like you should have every right to be vulnerable with your partner and I, like I said, would be upset if you didn't feel like you could be okay and I would definitely think I was doing something wrong.
	Um, I think that it's a good thing that a man should be vulnerable.
	But then I also feel like people are so different and like some people thrive off getting other people's opinions And being able to talk and like open up and listen to what another person is saying, but then other people thrive off solving their own problems by themselves.
	So I feel like everyone is different in that sense.
	Hey, Nick, can you go into the podcast, Dropbox podcast videos folder?
	There's a TikTok.
	It's called Open Up, Be Vulnerable.
	We'll react to that.
	It's related to this.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I agree with her.
	I think that everyone has their own personal opinions and react differently to situations.
	Some people like to talk about, some don't.
	But I think it's important to be emotionally aware of how you are because I think if something hits you and like you're not in tune with your emotions, you tend to like push your partner away or it affects your relationship because you're not able to, I guess, deal with it.
	Nick, do you have it if you're able to pull it up?
	Yeah, we don't need no audio, no audio.
	It's just some bullshit music.
	If you want it, you can play it.
	That's just her doing some dumb fucking dance or something.
	I wanted this man to be vulnerable with me for so long.
	He finally called me yesterday and opened up, but the second he started crying, I lost all interest in him.
	Quickly, this is a safe space, but not that safe.
	That woman don't love him.
	She don't love the world.
	No, she's a cold ass bitch.
	Make sure to put the audio back on, Nick.
	So, I mean, that's kind of the reality, though, when it comes to this topic.
	It's like you claim that you guys want the vulnerability, but when we're vulnerable, at least in my experience, I don't know in your experience, Ryan, there tends to be, I've noticed, a palpable shift in the relationship.
	I had one experience where this girl was super fucking into me, and I was vulnerable in front of her within a immediately we started having arguments.
	Immediately, it just was like night and fucking day.
	She starts arguing with me.
	Things start changing up.
	And within a month, we broke up.
	So I think a lot of women say they want to have a vulnerable guy.
	But when a guy is vulnerable, I think a lot of women will, whether on a conscious level or not, they will end up punishing that vulnerability.
	I mean, it's a two-way street, right?
	Like, is it?
	I think you don't think it's a two-way street?
	I feel like, in a sense, like, you got to be vulnerable with the right woman.
	A woman that's still going to respect you.
	I think most, like, there's also this other.
	Let me ask, if you guys saw your boyfriend get into a fight with somebody and your boyfriend got fucked up, would you be a little like, I mean, maybe you'd take care of him, but you'd be like a little fucking turned off if he got fucking scorched in a fight.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Go ahead, answer.
	I think that would be probably embarrassing for him, so I'd want to make him like feel better and like not.
	He just got fucked.
	But like, that's embarrassing.
	Oh my god.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	So embarrassed.
	Like, I mean, I guess I get it.
	Like, it's just embarrassing to see someone lose a fight because then it's like, ooh, like, then they're like getting up and they look all fucked up, and you're just like, ooh.
	Sophie, what about you?
	Yeah, it's a little bit of.
	Yeah, it's embarrassing.
	That actually happened to me.
	We used to have these fight nights in our hometown, and my boyfriend participated in one of them.
	He literally got thrown to the floor.
	This is a cheating one.
	And like, it was definitely slightly embarrassing because my whole high school was there and everyone knew I was dating him.
	But at the end of the day, I still did comfort him despite his loss.
	But were you kind of like.
	Yes, I was.
	How.
	What did you articulate it, though?
	Articulate it.
	Well, I mean, I was literally like hugging him, like, you're okay.
	But inside, I was like, oof, like, what are you doing?
	Like, why are you putting yourself in this position?
	Okay.
	But nothing was fighting someone in the first place.
	Yeah, it's embarrassing that he put himself in the position, not that he lost.
	Let me.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's a little bit different.
	Okay.
	Let me try to reframe this a little bit.
	You're out with your boyfriend at a party.
	Again, here's another reason why you shouldn't go out partying.
	Some dude steps to you and says some rude, inappropriate remark.
	Do you look towards your boyfriend to intervene?
	Yeah.
	Do you want him to either verbally confront him or maybe even physically confront him?
	Verbally.
	I think like the other guy's drunk.
	Now it's starting to escalate to now a physical confrontation.
	Your boyfriend gets scorched the fuck up and knocked out by the dude.
	I wouldn't date someone who, like, I'd want him to just be like, like, walk away.
	But, okay, but when it comes to like, this shit can escalate very quickly, especially if alcohol is involved.
	So your boyfriend, okay, yo, what the fuck?
	Don't touch my girlfriend, blah, blah, blah.
	And he's like, what, bitch?
	No, what?
	No, that's you.
	Like, the guy says it to your boyfriend, and then they take their shirts off.
	I just think it's a mature.
	Like, I'd rather have like a mature guy who's like, but this isn't worth my time.
	Like, let's just walk away.
	Like, this guy's an idiot.
	Like, why not wasting time?
	He might not have the opportunity in the self-defense situation to walk away.
	If he gets sticked in the face, I'd rather him not get up and start.
	Like, I'd rather him just get away.
	You wouldn't want him to defend himself?
	If the guy kept trying to, like, I'd rather him...
	What if your boyfriend was on the ground going, like...
	That wouldn't be a turn-off.
	Damn, I mean, is her boyfriend like five foot nothing and the dam's like 6'2 ⁇ ?
	Like, what's going on here?
	I'm just saying, like, there's this really famous clip.
	I don't know if you watch the Joe Rogan podcast, where there was an MMA fighter, a female MMA fighter.
	Her boyfriend was an MMA fighter.
	And this was like a two fight.
	And he was fighting this guy.
	Do we have the clip?
	Hold on, let me see if it's in the Let me see.
	Might be in the.
	I'm just checking if we have it.
	One sec here.
	I thought we had it, but I don't know if we do.
	Sorry, guys.
	Just checking if we have the clip.
	In any case, I'll just say.
	So she's an MMA fighter.
	He's an MMA fighter.
	Her boyfriend, who she said was a great, fantastic guy, gets knocked out.
	And she's like, ooh, didn't like that.
	And then she lost attraction for him and broke up with him.
	Damn.
	In a professional fight, mind you, where it's like, you know, that's fucked up, dude.
	In a pro fight?
	So it wasn't a street fight.
	Like, he got knocked out in a profile.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's her job.
	We'll just watch a short portion of it, I guess.
	Sure, why not?
	Okay.
	And look, I'm not saying all women are like this, but I mean, there's enough to be like, we don't know which type you are.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Oh, audio, audio, audio.
	You're probably muted.
	Go ahead.
	What?
	It's not.
	it doesn't bug me when somebody is just they have you know a slender neck and they go through so much trouble donated 99 he should only be vulnerable with the right woman she should only sleep with the right man sorry took a minute send on the stream labs yo d mice thank you very much man Appreciate it.
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	Hey, let's continue.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Just they have a slender neck, but when they go through so much trouble to look like an alpha male, but they have that little chicken neck.
	Right.
	And then they're posing like they're gonna be the issue with you.
	Like as a woman, like the way you interact with men.
	As a world champion, Muay Thai woman.
	Yeah, you figured that out.
	You have to have a hard time with the men.
	You do.
	I bet you do.
	I do.
	Yeah.
	Because you need to get a real one, like a real, real one.
	Like, that's the only way it's going to work.
	It isn't.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Imagine.
	It's hard out there for a pimp.
	It is, right?
	So I had his great boyfriend, but we went out of country.
	We fought on the same card.
	He fought the day before me.
	I fought the next day.
	During the fight, he almost gets knocked out.
	As this guy is mauling him, he goes like this.
	What do you think I was thinking?
	Not good thoughts.
	The boyfriend.
	The boyfriend.
	My boyfriend.
	Like this.
	Yeah, you didn't like it.
	Fuck no.
	Did it turn you off?
	Oh my God, so much.
	Whoa.
	I was like, dude, you're getting fucked up.
	And as you're falling to the canvas, you still need to go fuck you.
	You're like, fuck you.
	Like that.
	So the way he was getting beaten was fucking with you.
	Yeah.
	It wasn't just that he was getting beaten.
	I don't care.
	I don't know.
	I don't care.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	You're not going to.
	Yeah.
	Like, you got to fuck on.
	Like, take that shit.
	Take it.
	Yeah.
	Like, you know, like a champ or like a fighter.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	You can't be like.
	Wow.
	Was that the beginning of the end?
	Yeah.
	That was great.
	And he was a great person.
	He was great.
	Tap, Yes, it was.
	Tap, tap, tap.
	It was.
	Maybe sometimes it's like, that's the problem.
	You have to balance it.
	Great boyfriend.
	Great boyfriend.
	So, yeah.
	I think that's different because that's in the world of fighting.
	Like, she's a fighter.
	She's like, yo, go down with some fucking dignity.
	Like, you're just like, I guess.
	Because she even said, like, if he came down, if he went down, like, saying, hey, fuck you, then it would have been different.
	I guess.
	But look, I think somewhere deep in the lizard brain, I feel like you're going to lose attraction for a guy when he's vulnerable.
	I can see that.
	I think so.
	I honestly felt way more when I finally got, like, I mean, I only scratched the surface, but when I finally got like a little bit of like what was really going on, like deep down and like from, I felt like more connected to him, honestly.
	Like, it did not turn me off at all.
	Like, I was, I felt like he respected and felt safe with me when he was telling me.
	And like, that made me feel good.
	Here, I mean, I'll say this.
	I think men don't often share their feelings because they end up just upsetting their girlfriend or wife and they're left to console her on her feelings because of how his feelings made her feel.
	I've had that shit happen.
	I don't know.
	I've had that happen too.
	I think it's everyone.
	It doesn't matter, woman or man.
	Here, let me ask you guys a question.
	If you think it's important for men to be vulnerable, would let's say a guy approaches you.
	Maybe he's a little nervous, a bit shy, whatever.
	Would you prefer that over a guy who just approaches you?
	He's not being creepy, but he's a little, his eye contact isn't great.
	He's kind of a little nervous, a little shy, a little hesitation in his voice, a little shake in his voice.
	Would you prefer that or would you prefer a guy who just steps to you in a very confident way?
	Eye contact's on point, steady voice.
	Which do you prefer?
	Second one.
	Confident.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	Confident guy.
	Confident.
	Maybe shy guys are kind of cute sometimes.
	I like shy.
	Come on.
	No, it's like my new thing.
	Like, I do not like an outgoing boy.
	That's how they teach their own.
	What about you?
	I say confident.
	I say shy.
	Okay.
	I would say that's fine.
	I think most women would prefer the confident guy.
	I mean, how often it's like one of the biggest things women say they like in a guy is confidence, right?
	I don't think there's a corresponding thing in men where we like, we particularly care.
	Like, I think it would actually be more attractive if the girl was a little bashful or a little shy.
	Little tail tucked between the legs a little bit if she was approaching um, and versus being like super, mega confident um, but wouldn't.
	Can you make the argument that a guy approaching you in a kind of shy, nervous way, that's him being vulnerable?
	Again, he's not being creepy, but he's not stepping to you in that confident way, but that's being vulnerable?
	Is that being vulnerable?
	It is yeah, because he's yeah, he's a little nervous, he's a little scared.
	He made the conscious choice to come and talk to you.
	That's already confidence, right there.
	Well, it's right.
	But I mean, I gave you two scenarios, one where the guy is outwardly appears kind of nervous and shy about it, versus the guy who's really confident.
	That's so different than like, already being in a relationship with this person.
	Right, it is different, but like I think it it extends into the relate, like that same component extends into the relationship too.
	I think it's obviously you want a guy to be confident in the relationship too.
	But like every you know, like if they need to open up a new vulnerable like um yeah, I don't know.
	I think it's an ego boost for women when a guy is a little shy, because it makes us feel like oh, my god, like you, really like me?
	Huh, you're shy.
	You're shy around me.
	I think most women would probably be turned off if the guy was like that nervous.
	Women, from their own words, say that they like confident men.
	Yeah, I would say, and just look, generally speaking, if you want the high success rate, like the confident guy is gonna win out in most situations.
	Um, women are more attracted to that.
	So you, I think you only want men to be vulnerable when it's convenient for for y'all.
	No, actually you want.
	You want it on your terms.
	Yeah oh okay, all right, there we go.
	I'm not gonna lie.
	Okay, there's some consensus.
	Um, let me see.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else um related, related to the vulnerability thing.
	Let me get us caught up on a couple chats.
	We have John Galt here.
	Can you ask the girls if guy owning the gun is a positive deal breaker or neutral?
	Also, also would be cool to see Destiny Far and Virgin Mary back on the show.
	Enjoyed the episodes with them before.
	Actually, we're gonna have Virgin Mary on uh, next week.
	John Galt for two sunday tuesday, so she's gonna be uh pretty sure next week.
	So she is finally coming back.
	I like her episodes.
	She brings like a different choice.
	Yeah, she's cool.
	Yeah oh, you've seen them.
	Yeah, i've seen like one to prepare.
	Okay, which one did you watch into the mic?
	Into the mic?
	Oh sorry um, i'm trying to think of like which one it was, without like being mean, because I don't know what it's called.
	It doesn't matter, it's fine.
	Uh, is there is this where I throw out the old don't hate the player, hate the game.
	Remember that men sort girls into three groups, nope, strippers.
	Girls named Tiffany, nurses good for now, or fun zone and wife potential.
	Elevate your game or invest in meow mix word grid one.
	I'm yeah exactly nope, strippers.
	Girl's name, Tiffany, Tiffany.
	Why is that a bad name, not gonna lie?
	Oh really, speaking of red flags, like the name Emily, it's like, isn't your name Emily?
	Oh sorry Ellie sorry, I got it.
	That's kind of similar.
	I feel like if a guy is named Chad, that's a red flag.
	Is that a red flag?
	Chad, Brad or Thad?
	About chaz.
	Oh god, even worse.
	Chaz Reinholes.
	Oh, chaz.
	All right, we have Sean Evans.
	Good panel tonight, Brian, to the panel.
	What qualities do you think men of value actually look for in a woman he wants to commit to?
	Also, Brian, no state income tax in Texas.
	Yep, America's state.
	We'll go around the table.
	What qualities do you think men of value actually look for in a woman he wants to commit to?
	We'll start with you.
	Go ahead.
	I think someone that kind of, I don't know, I would say just someone that equally benefit them as well.
	Like a give and take.
	I think someone that is very helpful and cares for them a lot.
	Okay.
	Probably someone that has like drive, I don't know, like ambition in life and like goals.
	I would say, honestly, a low body count would probably be number one.
	That's a good one.
	Men of value don't want women that have been ran through.
	And I don't know, maybe people disagree, but I think that for him, that's like a huge thing.
	But also a woman who's going to respect him and ultimately obey him.
	Men of value want that.
	Based.
	Are you guys down to obey your boyfriend?
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Do you disagree?
	Yeah.
	What about be submissive?
	What do you think about that word?
	In like context.
	Oh, okay.
	I think a woman should be submissive to her man.
	Okay, well, she's talking, she's talking about BDSM sexually.
	Oh!
	Are we talking like, are you a rope bunny?
	What are we talking about here?
	What was your, what is your, what's your BDSM test.org score?
	You can be submissive to your man.
	No.
	She knows what I'm talking about.
	You can be submissive to your man, like, on the outside of your sexual relationship, but you can be the dominant one in the sexual relationship, and it could work out.
	Are you telling us something here?
	Me?
	Are you a dominatrix in your marriage?
	Oh my god, no.
	I'm so boring.
	Okay.
	I'm so boring.
	Okay.
	Well, you said more dominant one.
	Okay, her eyes.
	Never mind.
	We're not talking about me right now.
	Are you dom in the bedroom?
	No, I think it's a push and pull.
	I'm definitely not submissive, though.
	Yeah, I switched.
	Dummy mommy.
	It depends on the night.
	Are you a dummy mommy?
	Someone.
	I need to look at my notes.
	Somebody here wanted to talk about pegging.
	I'll look at that.
	Oh, it was me.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, is that you?
	Okay.
	Oh, we'll come back to that.
	Wait, so qualities.
	Yes, qualities.
	Oh, she said obey.
	It's not some.
	Yes, I agree.
	You should obey your husband.
	Okay, maybe not.
	Okay, obey is like a very strong word, but I feel like obey is like the word that men love to hear.
	Do you call your husband master?
	I don't call him master.
	Sir.
	I think sir is a good one.
	No, not sir.
	I demand.
	I demand.
	You should try.
	Like, just tonight, just be like, hey, sir.
	Hey, master.
	Hey, master.
	Hey, sir.
	He'll like it.
	Maybe.
	I think he will.
	Okay, cool.
	You honestly might.
	Julia, your thoughts.
	Well, I've never actually met a man or dated a man that feels that way.
	I don't know if it's the age difference, but that one's like someone, exactly what you said pretty much.
	That wants to be submissive, obey.
	I've never met a man like that.
	I think young men are probably still coming into their own, and they might not have yet had the relationship or sexual experience to really be able to maneuver that kind of dynamic.
	Yeah, I think it's definitely different for each man, too.
	But I think in general, they want someone like that has interests and drive and is going to care for them.
	What about you?
	I definitely think drive is a really big one.
	Also, like good communication.
	Women drive.
	Yeah, drive.
	You think that that's what men want in a woman?
	Julia, you said drive, right?
	Yeah.
	Drive.
	I mean, ambition.
	Yeah, ambition.
	And I Okay Men don't want that.
	Let me talk about that.
	We're talking a different moment.
	Well, no, then that's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, I don't want a guy who wants to be a lot of people.
	I don't want to be like a just stay-at-home mom.
	Like, I want to.
	But we're talking about men of value.
	It's different.
	Like, he asked about men of value.
	We're talking about men of value, too.
	Men of value.
	Men of value.
	Right?
	Wait, where was the choice?
	Men of value don't want women with ambition.
	Men of value want a woman who.
	Why would you want to love someone that doesn't, like you don't want them to have interests and like ambition?
	Because at the end of the day, it's like they want to be their king, right?
	The king doesn't want to be trifled by the queen.
	The queen is here to aid the man and be by his side.
	So it's not equal.
	No, it's never equal.
	No, it's not.
	I mean, yes, it'd be great if a woman has ambition, has drive, does her own thing.
	But at the end of the day, a man wants a woman to be submissive to him.
	And if she doesn't have drive and if she is going to be a stay-at-home mom, cook, clean, provide for the family.
	Ultimately, the man wants that.
	That is what the man gravitates towards too.
	That's what the man wants.
	And I know it's weird and fucked up to think.
	I mean, you guys are so young, and I know you don't agree with me, but like as you get a little bit older and you realize the type of men that you're dealing with, that's what the men want.
	They want a stay-at-home wife.
	They want a stay-at-home girlfriend.
	Well, I'm down to be stay-at-home.
	Like, that's not a problem for me.
	It's just, I'm not going to obey you.
	And like, I'm your little servant.
	Like.
	Well, no.
	Okay.
	Servant is like a very hard person.
	I want them to support me too and like my interests.
	And not.
	I want them to view me as a person and a smart person.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, they will, but it's like that push and pull, right?
	If you want them to provide everything for you, you're going to have to give some back.
	If a man.
	Yeah.
	Wait, but didn't earlier.
	Actually, I'll come back to that.
	But you said you didn't want 50-50 in a relationship.
	Like, you wanted the guy to be provider, pay for shit.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you want the guy to be the leader, right?
	In the relationship?
	I feel like if they're paying for shit and being the provider, that doesn't necessarily mean they're the leader.
	I mean, there are men who are pay pigs, I guess.
	There are definitely men who will be like provider simps.
	I want them to want that.
	You want a man to be a pay pig?
	No.
	I want them to love me so much that they want to provide for me.
	Well, that would be a good idea.
	But I feel like there's in order for the I mean, there's definitely women who like dominate and control relationships and the guy's the provider in those.
	To me, that's kind of pathetic.
	But I mean, it's probably good for the girl.
	Is it good for the woman?
	I mean, you have more power, I guess, but I don't know if you're particularly satisfied with like a weakness.
	But it's not like I'm not bringing anything onto the table.
	Wait, what's that?
	It's not like I'm not bringing anything.
	No, but that's not what I'm saying.
	But, like, it's kind of, that's a guy being in his traditional gender roles, like, being a provider, paying for dates.
	But then you don't, like, my view is traditional gender roles would dictate that when it comes to the, I mean, obviously, this is, like, typically more so if you're married or in, like, a really long-term relationship.
	The man is the head of the household.
	So.
	So the man's the leader.
	If you want the guy to be the provider, shouldn't he be the leader?
	You want to be the leader.
	We're leading together.
	That's not you to be able to be able to be able to be able to do that.
	It doesn't, but you want him to pay for everything.
	So you want a guy to.
	So you just want to be taken care of.
	But not really control.
	Well, I want to take care of him, too.
	Like, I mean, I'm not saying they're paying for everything.
	I'm just saying that they are the financial leader.
	Yeah, they could be the financial leader.
	So financial leader, I feel like the key word is leader.
	Yeah.
	You know, I mean, you just want him to lead financially, but not in other areas.
	Like, how do you want your man to lead?
	But like, hey, you can't lead in any of these areas.
	Well, you got to pay for fucking everything.
	And you probably also, I assume, you probably also want the guy to make the first move, ask you out on the date, go for the first kiss, move things forward physically from there, take initiative, make decisions.
	Like, I mean, I could be wrong.
	Maybe you're totally fine.
	I don't know.
	I feel like there's definitely a lot of girls who don't know what they want to eat for dinner.
	Sometimes I just want my man to tell me.
	Yeah, okay.
	I could get ahead.
	Yeah, I don't want them to be like, well, what do you want to do?
	Like, I want them to be like, we're doing this.
	Like, get ready.
	Be ready by this time.
	But I don't want them to really go, oh, where do you want to eat?
	Like, and then go back and forth forever.
	Like, I want them to take that kind of initiative.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But you guys were saying that something that a man of value would want is your drive and drive and ambition.
	But like career-wise.
	But here's the thing: like, men don't really care.
	It's not that we don't care, it just doesn't make you more attractive.
	Okay, then take that off that.
	Like, for most men, your career, even if you're hyper-successful, that's wonderful.
	That's really great for you, but it doesn't make you more attractive as a partner.
	Also, we don't really reap any benefits from your success because, I mean, you said your ambition, what was the other term?
	Sorry, it's blanking on me.
	Not ambition, but drive, yeah.
	You said you want a guy to pay for first dates.
	So oftentimes, even if a woman makes a lot of money, she doesn't even want to equally contribute to the start of the relationship and pay for dates, pay for first dates.
	So why do men not care about your drive and ambition?
	Because quite frankly, we don't reap any benefits because women typically don't share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
	You only care about things that benefit you.
	Well, I mean, we're all selfish to some degree, but like you're when it comes to the money component, why should I care?
	Like, it's not really a factor in our relationship.
	Like, the fact that you make good money is great for you, but if you're still expecting me to pay for the first date, why should I care about how much money you make?
	Especially early on in the relationship.
	Can I play devil's advocate real quick?
	Sure, absolutely.
	But let's put a scenario, right?
	So, like you said, you don't care about how much money a woman makes in a relationship, you're taking care of her.
	But if that woman doesn't have any drive and ambition and you get in a tight spot where now you're not making enough money to provide for the both of you, aren't you going to be a little upset at your woman for not having that drive and ambition to have her own money in the way?
	Or let's say you're providing everything and now she's kind of like lax, right?
	Maybe she doesn't take care of herself as much.
	Maybe the house isn't always clean.
	And you're like, where did your drive and ambition go when we first got together where you dolled up every day?
	You took care of the house, you cleaned.
	Well, I mean, I don't like women who wear a lot of makeup, so.
	Yeah, I mean, to each their own, right?
	Like, totally understandable to each their own.
	I mean, good.
	She doesn't doll up.
	Awesome.
	Okay, but let's replace that with something else.
	I don't need my girl to paint her face.
	Okay.
	But so, okay, I'm playing devil's advocate to the sense of like, okay, now you're in a bind.
	You're in a tight spot.
	Financial bind?
	Financial bind.
	Never.
	It won't happen.
	I am that confident in myself that I will never be in a financial bind.
	Ever.
	Are you even into like the traditional role of taking care of a woman 100%?
	Because you kept making jokes about like, oh, well, like, she needs to take care of me.
	She needs to take me the first day.
	I don't think you really want to take care of someone 100%, do you?
	Well, let me just answer your thing really quick.
	I mean, again, perhaps some catastrophic thing happens, but I feel like I'm so capable and I am so fucked what's the term?
	Resourceful?
	No, it's not that.
	I don't think for me, I think financially I'm going to be okay.
	Okay.
	Now.
	Like I could, why I don't know why she gave me a lot of money.
	Well, no, and I believe you.
	I believe you that financially you will be okay long term 100%.
	Like this is so successful.
	This podcast is so successful.
	Absolutely.
	And you have other endeavors.
	But now let's take it to the point where like you're just kind of sick of your girl just not doing anything.
	Are you going to throw it in her face?
	Like, I pay for everything and you don't do shit.
	Where's your drive?
	Where's your ambition to like do something?
	Do what?
	Are you saying clean?
	Well, oh, well, I mean, okay, if I'm paying, so you're talking like if we're in a traditional thing where I'm paying, I'm taking care of everything.
	Well, I mean, she should probably hold up her end of the arrangement.
	So you're saying if she just got lazy and stopped doing that shit?
	Yeah, that drive, that drive and ambition that she once had kind of went away.
	Drive?
	Well, there's drive and ambition for career, and then there's drive and ambition to fall into your traditional gender roles of taking care of the internal household.
	But don't those go hand in hand?
	What if she just kind of like is lax to the fact that like in general, just across the board, she's just a lazy person?
	I mean, obviously, look, as a woman, you need to, if you're single, you're going to have to be working in some capacity to provide for yourself, you know, food and housing, et cetera.
	But what if she just wants to stay in bed all day and just kind of chill and hang out and watch Netflix?
	She has no drive and no ambition.
	Oftentimes when we're talking about these terms, drive and ambition, we're talking about it from an economic, financial, career perspective.
	We could be, or we could be talking about it in the fact of like, okay, she gets up, she starts her day, she does her workout, she goes to her yoga.
	That's great.
	She wants to go to a class and better her.
	Acro yoga is a big red flag.
	Acro what?
	Acro yoga.
	I don't know if you've seen those fucking YouTube shorts.
	These chicks be doing acro, no, acro-yoga, big red flag.
	Regular yoga.
	Okay, we'll keep it to regular yoga.
	Acro yoga.
	No-go.
	Red flag.
	Big red flag.
	She had that ambition to be a better person.
	You should be a motivated individual.
	Okay.
	But like a woman's ambition, drive, and motivation when it comes to becoming a boss babe and making a ton of money, that isn't really an attraction trigger for most men.
	Gotcha.
	I don't think we really care all that much.
	It doesn't make you more attractive.
	Even if you like.
	Does it take away?
	Women's status doesn't, it's like we don't care.
	Do you feel emasculated if your partner makes more money than you?
	No, I mean, I'd be fine in a scenario like that.
	I think most women would, it more so probably fall on the woman.
	Because I think most women want to date a guy who's on their level or higher.
	Like us men, we would date a, if we're millionaires, we'll date a girl who works at Chick-fil-A.
	Don't give a f as long as she's a good person and she's physically attractive.
	Don't give a f.
	Do not care about your job.
	Obviously, we don't want somebody who's like destitute and broke and like really irresponsible with money.
	That's bad too.
	If you have a shit ton of debt, that's not ideal.
	But like we'll date a girl who's works at Chick-fil-A.
	Don't give a fuck.
	A lawyer will date a girl.
	A doctor will date a girl who works a fast food job who's a barista.
	It's not.
	You've gotten experience, right?
	You've probably got, I don't know, maybe you've been, I know you said you like probably guys more so in your age group.
	Or maybe I'm assuming they're, but I mean, have you ever been hit on by like a hyper-successful dude, like doctor, attorney, maybe on Hinge?
	You did.
	The roles would never be reversed, though.
	Women aren't gonna, like, a high, like, a successful woman is not gonna date a guy that's working at Chick-fil-A.
	Exactly.
	Sorry, like a woman who's an attorney.
	Exactly, a woman who's an attorney would not date.
	I mean, I remember when I was a bit younger, I matched with a woman who's a litigation attorney on Bumble, I think it was.
	She was making probably $200,000, $300,000 a year.
	In her bio, she said, even because of my career, I still want chivalry and the guy to pay for the first date.
	And I was like, oh, you make $200,000 a year.
	Like, I mean, I kind of get it, right?
	But I think for women, it kind of, as you become more successful financially, it does start to shrink your pool of potential partners.
	If your standard is, not necessarily, but if you want to date a guy who's on your level and above, if you get into the 1% career-wise, you limit your pool.
	Whereas as men get more, as men make more money, it actually tends to open up their pool of potential partners.
	So, yeah.
	Because men will be a barista.
	We could be a fucking making seven figures a year, and it does not fucking matter.
	But I also think it depends on what kind of man we're talking about.
	I mean, how you're saying you're financially, you know, like stable, but I think for most middle-class, lower-class men, I mean, it probably is going to matter, you know, what your girl is doing.
	You'd probably want a woman with a little bit more ambition because you can't financially afford to work.
	Sure, I see what you're saying.
	I would say the economic reality of for the vast majority of people, just it's a reality for most to be able to afford rent, to be able to raise kids.
	Most people are going to need a dual-income household.
	However, what I would say to that is, even for that guy who's middle-class, low-class, what is it, middle-class, whatever.
	He probably, like, if he meets a girl that he really likes and she makes less than him, like, she's a barista and she's hot and she is pleasant, feminine, whatever it is.
	He's probably like, I think for men, it's not going to be an immediate disqualifier.
	Like, whereas you as a woman, if you're looking for a husband, the guy who's working a minimum wage job is like that's from the get-go is probably not going to do it for you.
	I know a lot of you guys are a bit on the younger side.
	You're probably not overly, at this point in your life, you probably don't give a fuck about like you're dating college guys, they're not making any money or they're working a you know.
	So, at this point in your life, you probably don't care, right?
	But I think once you get into your mid-20s, late 20s, it's going to be much, much more part of the equation.
	Because it's important.
	I mean, if you want to have kids, you want to have family, finances is a component to it.
	But from a guy's perspective, and Ryan, if you want to weigh in, like, does it matter to you?
	Because it doesn't matter to me.
	Yeah.
	I was going to say, how would you ladies feel if you're on a date with a man and he said, I have a really cool fossil collection?
	Aw, he's rich.
	You'd be like, oh, well, how, like, you'd probably think, oh, that's nice.
	That's cool.
	I mean, good for you.
	Exactly.
	And that's how men feel if you say, I'm a lawyer.
	Oh.
	Like, man, it's like, hey, that's dope.
	I don't think fossil and lawyer.
	I think it needs to be a different.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	It's like, I even had a friend, he was talking to one girl and she kept flexing, and I'm a this attorney and I can do this.
	And I've done, here's my business.
	And a lot of girls sometimes don't realize that that's the equivalent of me telling you, well, check out my Jordan collection in my thing.
	It's so cool.
	It's like, congratulations for you, but I don't really care that much.
	Yeah, men don't feel this.
	Men don't care.
	I get it.
	So that's how the, but you guys were kind of getting into like a semantics thing where it's like, well, what if she doesn't clean herself or doesn't just stays in a room all day?
	And that's like, no, obviously you want a girl that is fit and is friendly and doing all an upkeep and shit like that and goes to the gym, all that shit.
	I feel like a girl saying that she's, like, a lawyer and has all these accomplishments, she probably worked harder than someone who has a fossil collection or whatever.
	I think you're missing the, it's, like, an equivalent comparison.
	So the same way that you would feel if I said, check out my fossil collection.
	That's how I feel when a girl says, I started my own company.
	I'm like, dope.
	That's nice for you.
	That's the only way I can do it.
	They're not the same thing.
	They're the male versus female viewpoints.
	Yeah, I mean, feel that.
	And I've dated hyper-successful women.
	I've dated, I dated an orthopedic surgeon.
	I dated a doctor.
	I dated the physician.
	I dated a physician's assistant, dated a...
	We see a pattern in him.
	Like, let's see, there was a pharmacist, a bunch of nurses, too many fucking nurses.
	You fucked a whole hospital.
	Pretty much.
	Dentist.
	Dentist?
	Yes, dental tech.
	Wait, yeah, dentist or the tech?
	Where are you finding these?
	Dentist?
	Yeah.
	Dating apps.
	Dating apps.
	Anesthetician?
	But you look for a niche, like you look at...
	No, it's just...
	It looks like you have a pattern.
	You're saying you don't care about what they do, but you're obviously not a personality.
	I mean, what I've noticed, though, is that's not like the type I, of the women I've been in relationships, no.
	But these were like, when I say, I should clarify, when I say dated, went on a couple dates, that sort of thing.
	And honestly, when like a woman who's a doctor, that's awesome.
	I'm sure she's incredibly intelligent.
	And I do care about a woman's intelligence because I do think to some degree intelligence does have a genetic basis.
	And I would like my children to be intelligent.
	But I will say when it comes to like women who are hyper successful, they're obviously, and that's wonderful, they're very focused on their career.
	And if I'm looking for like a long-term relationship, I'm looking for someone to have kids with, I do have concerns over, well, what if I want more of your focus on our children than your career?
	Or what if I want you a little more focused on me than your career?
	Now, most women are going to say no.
	To what?
	To no, I'm not going to give you more because I've worked so hard to build my career and be where I am.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Most women are going to be like, nah.
	Right.
	And so, and also, I think women who are super successful, hyper-successful, especially like a woman, like we could say that a woman who's a doctor or a lawyer, these are people who are known for working really insane hours.
	Now, I think women are smarter because women do try, even in these hyper, hyper-successful careers, to try to prioritize more of a work-life balance.
	Whereas you have men who will go like 70, 80 hours a week.
	Women are just, and women do that too.
	But I think women do typically tend to, more so than men, prioritize more of a healthy work-life balance, which I think is smart because us men, we work insane.
	And so do women.
	I think women, generally speaking, my understanding of the data, women do tend to prioritize more of a work-life balance.
	She's too busy.
	The orthopedic surgeon.
	Sorry, Brian.
	Got to do some, cut up some bones and shit.
	I'm like, cool.
	You're like, shit, I got like two hours a week for you.
	What you want to do?
	So I would like a woman who's maybe got a little more free time.
	There's that component to it.
	And those are very stressful jobs, too.
	That's like people in the healthcare field, very stressful.
	I think the rate of physician burnout is like really high.
	They work insane hours and it's a stressful job.
	It can be a stressful job.
	I actually heard the alcoholism rates among doctors and attorneys is much higher than in the general population.
	The incidence of self-deletion is higher in that cohort of people too.
	So it's a very stressful job.
	Also, a woman who's an attorney, I think this applies to both men and women, but typically attorneys are very disagreeable temperamentally.
	You have to be kind of very disagreeable.
	So I feel like women who are attorneys probably have to step into their masculine a lot.
	You're going to tell her to get on top and she's going to say, object.
	I fucking object.
	Wait, what?
	Are you getting on top of what?
	She objects to getting on top.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Sorry.
	I totally.
	I'm sorry.
	Hold on.
	I missed that one.
	Here, we got to move on to John Dalt here.
	Can you ask the girls if a guy owning a gun is a positive deal breaker or neutral?
	This came in earlier, but I wanted to come back to it.
	So, gun ownership.
	I guess would you date a guy who owns a gun?
	We'll start with you over here and we'll go around.
	I have dated a guy that owns a gun, but he told me that like midway into our relationship.
	And he didn't really tell me if it's like, I don't know.
	I have certain feelings about it.
	I feel like if you're keeping it in a safe space, then I guess, I don't know.
	I feel like it's kind of not needed, but I don't know.
	Not needed.
	Okay, I'll come back to that, but we'll go around the table.
	What about you?
	I agree with her.
	I don't think it's needed, and I personally wouldn't date anyone who owns a gun.
	Okay, what about you?
	I feel pretty neutral about that topic.
	I don't think it like defines them as a person, at least from what I know.
	I mean, there could be more to know, but I don't think it affects it.
	Okay.
	I agree with you.
	I don't think that it affects who you are as a person.
	I'm a gun owner.
	My husband's a gun owner.
	Most of our friends are gun owners.
	They're great people for protection.
	Sure.
	You never know what's going to happen.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't really have an opinion on it.
	So you would date a guy.
	Like you're neutral.
	Yeah.
	Like you would date a guy.
	It's not really a factor for you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't really think it's needed either, but it's not necessarily like a complete deal breaker.
	But I prefer not.
	Preferred heat.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I mean, I'm from the South.
	I mean, everyone has guns.
	I have a gun.
	It's normal.
	You have a gun here in California?
	Not here.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	But back home.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the law's really lenient there.
	I mean, they should be strict, like, regardless, but like, I wouldn't have an issue if a guy owned a gun.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I probably prefer if a guy at least had a gun.
	I mean, things happen all the time, you know, just for protection purposes.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So you, you, and you kind of sounds like prefer not to have a gun.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So question.
	Let's say you're living with your boyfriend and three men are trying to break into your home.
	Let's say you're even married to this guy.
	Have two young children.
	You and your husband, you're living together, two young children, three men, don't know them, break into your house in the middle of the night.
	In that situation, like, would you prefer your man to have a gun or to not have a gun?
	I think we have to take into consideration our age.
	Like, we're dating guys that are 20 and 21.
	Like, we don't really know if they're storing a gun right.
	They're like using it for the right, like, having a gun.
	I mean, you could be 20, 21, and be capable in your gun ownership.
	I guess.
	I just think that if I was just talking to someone or casually dating someone and I go over to their place and I don't really know them that well, like, I don't know if I'd be that comfortable with it.
	Okay, so you'd be uncomfortable, and you'd be uncomfortable with the guy owning a gun, but in the scenario that I've been.
	Like, I'm married to them, like, we're older.
	I mean, here, okay, since maybe that's here, I'll change the scenario.
	You're still the same age you are.
	You've been dating a guy for a year.
	You guys are cohabitating, living together.
	He's around your age.
	There's three men trying to break into your house.
	Would you want your boyfriend to have a firearm?
	Just personally, where I was raised and grown up, I just am not comfortable with guns.
	That's just me.
	Okay, what about you?
	I agree.
	I'm not, I don't know anyone who personally owns a gun, and I've never, I don't have family members or friends or anything, so I don't really have a personal opinion about it.
	So I just, it's not my, I don't think I would prefer someone to have a gun.
	Okay.
	I'm with them on that.
	I'm with them.
	So, but even in the scenario that I just described, so what would you want your boyfriend, like, okay, there's an option to have the gun, and then there's a, like, what would you want him to do in that situation?
	Would you prefer him against three guys?
	I know, I know.
	But what would you prefer in that situation?
	We were protected or killed?
	Like, well, okay, there's three men breaking into your house.
	You don't know what they're trying to do.
	Maybe they're just trying to steal something, maybe more.
	In that situation, would you want your boyfriend to have a firearm?
	If it's like in versus I die, we both die, or we're like, we like we live because he has a gun, then I guess, but I'm just not comfortable with guns.
	I am exactly with like, obviously, I don't want to die.
	Yeah.
	Why aren't you guys comfortable with guns?
	Is it just because you don't have a lot of education on gun use and gun storage and all that?
	There's so many issues.
	I mean, you all know.
	I've had a gun pointed at me.
	Yeah, like people, a lot of people don't use them responsibly.
	And it depends.
	There's been so many problems.
	Do you want to respond to it?
	I agree.
	The scenario?
	I agree with them.
	Okay, so to be clear, in the scenario, you would prefer your scenario, you'd prefer your boyfriend to defend you with his hands against three intruders.
	I mean, it's hard to speak on that situation.
	Like, living or dying, it's such a, like, I don't, like, obviously we don't want to.
	Yeah, obviously we don't want to die, but, like, at the same time, like, sure, the point I'm trying to make, though, the point I'm trying to make, though, in the situation that I just described, you would die if he didn't have a firearm.
	Because I don't care, like.
	It's just a hypothetical question.
	But three versus one, your boyfriend or yourself are not going to be capable of defending against three intruders.
	So you don't know what they're coming in there for.
	Yeah, probably not.
	Like, probably they wouldn't be able to protect themselves.
	Maybe they're deranged fucks that want to take advantage of you and maybe are going to murder you.
	I just am not comfortable with guns.
	But in that moment, I would probably be like...
	But you don't get to decide in the moment in a self-defense situation.
	You can't just magically manifest a gun to come into your possession.
	So wouldn't you rather, in a self-defense scenario that I just described, and there's actually like the home invasions are, there's million, I don't want to misquote here, there's a lot in the United States every single year.
	Wouldn't you want your partner in that, like in a self-defense situation to have a firearm?
	I was saying.
	I guess.
	Have I convinced you?
	And only that situation and no other.
	But in order for him to be in that situation, he just has to outright have gun ownership all the time.
	At least in the home.
	He's like a mentally stable dude.
	Maybe you should date mentally stable dudes.
	I know it's your type.
	I know it's your type, Sophie.
	You just.
	It's okay.
	We got to talk about type two.
	Well, what about you two guys?
	I mean.
	I don't know.
	Wait, me?
	Let me ask.
	Like, do you think that self-defense is a valid reason for somebody wanting to own a firearm?
	Robin, that just donated $99.
	Brian, the right answer to this question is to ask nicely for them to leave.
	I'm sure people entering your house uninvited are very logical and will obey the law and respect your wishes.
	$99.
	Yo, Robin, that's true.
	That's true.
	I guess my whole view is, is that when it comes to self-defense, like, because here's the reality, right?
	Let's say you're in that situation, then I hope it never happens to anybody at this table.
	But let's say you're in that situation.
	I guarantee it, like, in that moment, all your politics when it comes to firearm ownership will go out the window when you're in the process of being victimized in one way or the other.
	You're probably right.
	Like, you would want a firearm in that situation 100% of the time.
	I wouldn't necessarily, like, not be with someone because they own a gun.
	But you said you would be uncomfortable.
	I'm just not, like, I wouldn't be with someone and be like, we need to get a gun.
	Like, I just want to.
	I'm not, like, I'm not like, this is a mandatory thing that we need.
	I'm just not comfortable with it.
	It's just, that's.
	But what do you think would be the solution to, like, let's say there's a home invasion?
	What do you do if you don't have a firearm?
	Kind of wide and hide.
	Okay, so then they arrive 10 minutes later after you've already been victimized.
	So the great thing about police.
	Here's the thing with police, right?
	And police, in some instances, can stop crimes from occurring.
	And obviously, we need a police force for deterrent factors.
	However, and this might be surprising, most of the time police investigate crimes after they've already occurred.
	So their job isn't necessarily to prevent crime, to prevent you from being victimized.
	Now, their mere presence does stop crime from happening, but, you know, what's the average police response time in this country?
	It's, I don't know, seven.
	I don't know what it is, five to ten minutes, maybe 15 minutes.
	So what if you don't even get to the phone by then?
	Sometimes you might not get to the phone.
	So in that time period, you've been victimized.
	And maybe they just steal something.
	Maybe they do something far worse.
	Especially if you have kids.
	That's another component.
	Word.
	I mean, I've heard of stories where kids have gotten hold of the guns and bad things have happened.
	But that's where safety comes in.
	For the person breaking in regulations.
	Again, that's properly storing the firearm, educating your children.
	This is a no.
	Like, lock it.
	Lock it.
	Literally, there are gun safes.
	Like, I have one.
	That's what you do.
	You don't want anybody going near that.
	That's.
	Word.
	But when it comes to calling the police, just be aware.
	Like, if you can even get to the phone in time to call them, they're probably not going to arrive five, ten minutes.
	And so they're not going to be able to prevent.
	I mean, they can maybe catch the guys that victimized you, but I would think the better move would be to just be able to be capable of defending yourself to begin with.
	Let's get a couple chats in.
	We have Bender the Offender.
	By the way, Bender the Offender, can you send me a DM on IG?
	Fun fact, the word obey was in wedding vows until the year 1928 and was replaced with the words to love and cherish.
	Interesting.
	Very interesting.
	I guess they took it out.
	Thank you, Bender the Offender.
	We have John Galt here.
	Respect to the feminist studies girl for coming onto the show and being open-minded.
	It's good to get some different perspectives on the panel.
	Okay.
	Yeah, thank you for coming.
	John Smith here.
	Oh, we have one coming in from Grid Motorsports.
	It's coming in just a sec here.
	Nick, if you can pull up really quick, Twitch.
	It's probably going to interrupt.
	The TTS is about to.
	We'll come back to it.
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	I'd argue it's way more humane to shoot a home invader than beat them to death with a baseball battle.
	Yeah.
	Word.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, three, like if there's three of you and you and your wife or girlfriends or whatever.
	Why would you want it to be humane if they're a home invade?
	Like that they're already.
	Well, no, I don't think you need.
	I think he's just making.
	True.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	They're there to like terrorize you and do horrible shit.
	Like why would you want to like be like, like I'll make this nice and quick for you.
	No, I'd want to like be aware of that.
	I'm sure you wouldn't want anything either, but like one's going to be easy.
	Right.
	Okay.
	We have, let's see, we have John Smith.
	Can you ask the girls if it's a deal breaker for guy has the opposite political views as them?
	We'll start with you.
	So tell us what you're like, if you consider yourself more conservative, liberal, moderate, maybe you're apolitical.
	And then deal breaker for a guy has opposite political views.
	I'm kind of in the middle.
	I kind of see both views.
	It would depend.
	I think if someone was too far left or right, we probably wouldn't be that aligned.
	What about you?
	I mean, I'm also in the middle.
	But if it were to come down to like the other person, as long as their like biases and opinions aren't like too like far, like they're not like, that's all they like, their whole personality, I guess, essentially.
	Like if that's their whole personality, then like, yeah, no.
	But like if you can have your own views, you just don't have to be annoying about it.
	Sure.
	I usually try to keep politics out of my dating life.
	Really?
	Are you more?
	Where do you fall on the I'm definitely more liberal?
	Okay.
	But I mean, if they're not shoving it down my throat, and it's not necessarily the end of the world.
	But you know, I just don't, yeah.
	Doesn't come up in conversation or not usually.
	No.
	If it does a lot, I'm really, it turns me off.
	Like, I don't know.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, same.
	I feel like, but I would rather date someone more liberal or moderate.
	I feel like after meeting my husband, I've definitely been a little bit more Republican, I guess.
	But I'm still a little bit more in the middle.
	I see both sides.
	And as long as you don't push it down my throat and we can see eye to eye on certain things, yeah, it's fine.
	I just like don't like anyone on one far end or the other far end.
	Like if you're just too much of something, like no.
	So do you consider yourself a bit moderate?
	I honestly don't really know where I fall.
	Like I'm really out of the loop, which is not good.
	I definitely need to work on getting more educated, but.
	Sure.
	Totally fine.
	What about you?
	I would say I'm a little more liberal, but I respect other people's opinions and I don't think it's a huge deal breaker.
	I like to learn from another person or the partner I'm with.
	And I don't think it's a big deal breaker if they have a different political belief than me.
	I'm left-leaning and I feel like political views are kind of misconstrued now.
	So I feel like as long as morals align.
	Yeah.
	Oh, ask the girl.
	Sorry, Ryan.
	Well, deal breaker for you if they have different political views.
	I think if they were on a, if it was really crazy and they were very into their beliefs, so much to the point where it was affecting our communication and whatnot, then yeah, it would be a deal breaker.
	Yeah.
	But I think people who are like really, really heavily invested in politics can tend to be, I don't know, politics are kind of like negative a little bit to begin with.
	So if you're like on either side, if you're like really, really hardcore with it, it can just kind of be a like you're just always kind of down.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We have grid one motorsports.
	Life is not a rom-com.
	Regardless of what you have been told, men do not need you to save us.
	We need you to bring us peace and help make life better.
	Where have all the good men gone?
	To women who valued them.
	Why can't you find one you are not really looking?
	Wow, that was poetic.
	Yeah.
	That was beautiful.
	Okay.
	I need to finally get into some of your pre-show notes here that you guys provided.
	So let's see.
	We have Jessica.
	I'm 100% sure it's impossible to date a guy who isn't like lusting over other girls.
	Not the voice.
	Like no matter what, there's always another girl.
	That's so me.
	It's so me.
	So tell us about that.
	I just think like no matter like who, at least like in our age range, like from like maybe like ages like 18 to 22, I don't know what happens after that.
	But like right now, like every guy I feel like I've ever talked to or even like met or like my friends dated, like they're always like, I mean, this shouldn't be a big deal, but like they're literally always like liking like naked girls on Instagram.
	Like their whole butt is out, like boobs out and everything.
	And like there's like, and then the second the girl goes to post something like that, like it's over.
	Like they are so angry.
	So it's just like super interesting.
	But there's always someone that they're like, ooh, over, you know?
	It can't ever just be a one girl.
	Like they can't have their eyes on one.
	I see.
	Okay.
	But men are such visual creatures.
	They are.
	Men love to look.
	They're not going to do anything.
	They just like to look.
	But don't make that.
	Do not feel not confident because a man is liking somebody's half-naked picture online.
	I definitely like agree.
	100%.
	I just feel like it's respect.
	It's like embarrassing.
	Like if one of my girlfriends goes on an Instagram post of somebody that's like half naked and like, oh, that's your man.
	Like in the likes.
	It's almost like it hurts my ego.
	I'm like, what?
	I just don't think you should date anyone from like the ages of like 18.
	Yeah, 25.
	Like men.
	Even girls is just like, oh, you're just grown up.
	You're figuring things out.
	I agree.
	Honestly, they're dating too seriously.
	On a real note, if this is a thing between you and your man and your man's like, dude, like, I just, I like to look.
	Like, be like, at least he's honest.
	He's honest, but it's like, you know what?
	Make a fucking fake Instagram account and go like it from another Instagram account.
	Whatever, dude.
	Like, right?
	Like, at least be safety about it.
	At least just.
	So I don't think I don't think a guy liking a woman's another woman's Instagram photos is necessarily indicative of I don't necessarily think it has to be an issue, but me personally, I don't follow anybody on Instagram.
	I follow my own accounts.
	I have my personal page.
	I have my whatever page.
	They follow each other.
	I don't follow any girls on Instagram.
	I don't like any chicks on Instagram.
	I'm too preoccupied with my own life.
	So I'm not really.
	I don't know how women should view it, but what I can say, my view from a guy's perspective is you shouldn't be doing that because you're a simp.
	I don't think you should be liking some chicks' photos, some random chick.
	Like, that's kind of weird.
	I don't know.
	That's just general or if you have a girl.
	Just like ever.
	Even if you're single, I think it's lame to be liking some other chicks' photos.
	Like, why are you following some hot Instagirl?
	Yeah.
	If that's a girl who would never give you the time of day in person, why are you, like, it's kind of, to me, it's kind of white knight simp shit.
	So I don't follow any girls on Instagram.
	I'm not, I'm not, like, scrolling, looking at all the hot chicks.
	I mean, maybe that's just a disciplined thing.
	I also like tend to, yeah, it's just, I'm more critical of it from, I don't know how women should feel about it, but I think men, just from a purely disciplined point of view, should not be like frying their brains looking at hot chicks on Instagram and it's kind of simp shit.
	Especially if you're fucking leaving comments, oh, you're so beautiful.
	Shut the fuck up.
	She can be beautiful, but like, why you're not?
	Don't say it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you watch porn?
	Huh?
	Do you watch porn?
	Rarely.
	If it's sometimes, you know, it's been a minute.
	You gotta fuss and that sometimes I'll use it as a visual aid, but like I do typically, I do, I think I do try to hold myself to some discipline, and I probably watch much less porn than the average person does.
	Okay.
	But shit, sometimes it's been a minute.
	You gotta, if you're single, you know, shit.
	But if I'm in a relationship, though, no.
	Almost.
	If, I mean, if like we've, she's gone on for a month or some shit and I gotta bust a nut.
	I'll watch some porn maybe.
	But why wouldn't you bust a nut to her sending you some?
	Oh, that's fine.
	You know, I'm, yeah, if she wants to, yeah, that's fine.
	I have, I have very specific tastes, though, on that front, though.
	So if she's willing to provide, we can.
	What are those tastes?
	Can you share?
	Big labia matter.
	Nick, can you pull it up?
	Big labia matter.
	I'm talking looking right down main street.
	BLM.
	Hashtag BLM big labia matter.
	Listen, women, women have penisized preference, genitalia preferences.
	I got preferences too.
	Yeah.
	Valid, dude.
	Yeah.
	I thought it was something I wanted to interject.
	Yeah, I was happy.
	It's interesting that you were talking about guys liking naked girls' pictures.
	It's funny how if a girl posts like revealing pictures on Instagram, other girls will say like it's empowering, it's good, you shouldn't shame that, like do your thing.
	But then if I as a guy then like it, I'm bad if I'm your boyfriend.
	So it's, I'm not speaking about you specifically, but I just thought that was interesting how these, like if I went on here and said, oh, women shouldn't post revealing pictures, I would be like a monster.
	But then if it's your man liking these empowered women's pictures, like what if I just like empowered women?
	Do you see the angle I'm kind of getting at?
	I just thought that I was just kind of thinking into it.
	You know it's not that.
	Like you know you're not liking it because of that.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	But when girls post that stuff, they always say, well, you can't hate on it because these women are empowered and confident and strong.
	What if I like confident, empowered, strong women?
	If you're dating someone, I don't think you should be liking other, like.
	If a girl posts revealing pictures, is that good or bad?
	I don't think it means anything.
	Like, I don't think it really labels anything about them.
	It's almost a part of the culture now.
	I feel like it's just so like normalized.
	Like, all of us post bikini, you know, kind of photos and stuff.
	But it's understandable if my man didn't want me to do that anymore.
	Yeah.
	I'm just saying, like, if it's fine and good and great, then it should be fine for me to like it too.
	Yeah, I don't know if that was even making any sense to me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It makes sense.
	I think it makes sense.
	I do see, though, like you would probably be labeled as controlling or insecure if you had an issue with your girlfriend posting revealing photos on Instagram, but you think it's more socially acceptable for women to have an issue with men liking other women's photos.
	I mean, I think they both go together.
	Like, if you as a woman have an issue with your boyfriend liking other women's photos, then you probably shouldn't be posting revealing photos where your photos can be liked on by other dudes.
	Yeah.
	I was saying just the argument shifts.
	It's like girls posting revealing is good and it's fun and great and it's not a problem.
	But then if I start liking it and I'm the boyfriend and I'm like, no, I like the strong women.
	It's like, no, you can't do that.
	So I just thought that was, it made me think right now.
	What if the rules were reversed?
	What if you start posting some shirtless pictures and girls started liking your pictures?
	Well, I'm...
	I also think that...
	No, that's the thing.
	If I posted a shirtless picture, then I'm just ripped and beautiful.
	I think they're a bit different.
	How?
	Like, if you posted something very revealing, you're going to get a lot of attention from it and DMs and offers.
	If I post something revealing, I'm getting significantly less offers and options from doing that.
	That's kind of a different discussion, too.
	But I think for women, we're not necessarily getting a bunch of quality offers either.
	And I feel like for a man, when you like a photo, a naked girl's photo, you're like, hey, like, knock, knock, like, I think you're attractive.
	Because you probably wouldn't like a sexy photo of your sister.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, so you're letting them know, like, I'm here.
	I see you.
	I want you to know that I see you.
	So I'm going to like this really quick.
	Because like, how hard would it have been for like, you know, the guy she's dating to just like, oh, okay, she's hot and fucking keep scrolling?
	Like, he doesn't have to like it.
	Like, you can, shit, he could bookmark it if he wants to come back to it.
	But to like it, you're letting them know like, hey, I think you're kind of hot, you know?
	Yeah.
	I think you're attractive.
	Yeah.
	That's a really good point.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How would you feel if your girl liked some shirtless guy's photo on Instagram?
	A bunch of shirtless guys photos.
	Like, if her name was the first one that popped up and all the, like, I would start sweating a little bit.
	Okay.
	And I'd have to say something.
	Yeah.
	What would you say?
	Oh, man.
	Or are you confident enough that you don't care?
	No, I would definitely care.
	But yeah, because like, why are you doing it?
	Okay.
	But yeah.
	We have Stiffler here.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I would say seven.
	Say like a six.
	I'd say a seven.
	I'd say a seven.
	Say like a six on a good day.
	Say seven.
	Oh, into the mic.
	I'd say a seven.
	I'd probably say a seven as well.
	I don't know.
	I feel weird.
	I don't know.
	We all did it.
	You gotta do it.
	You gotta do it.
	You got it.
	Like, I don't know.
	I just feel like just on looks.
	Yeah, just your looks.
	Based on like what?
	Like 10 is like Brad Pitt in his prime.
	One is Jonah Hill.
	Donald Trump, maybe for you, because you're kind of liberal, so you might be like, that dude's a one.
	What would you rate Donald Trump on the scale of one to ten?
	That's a better question.
	He's like a solid like four or five at least, right?
	For you?
	For me, a four.
	Donald Trump.
	Like just looks.
	Just looks like Donald Trump.
	Yeah, what do you rate him?
	Is he like a babe?
	Is he like a 10?
	Like if it wasn't for his politics, like you would for sure go.
	Donald Trump?
	Yeah, he's kind of like he's got a bedonka dog.
	Are you delusional?
	Dude, he's got like a dog.
	He's got a sound.
	No, he's thick.
	The orange.
	Like thick as Tan looks thick on Sophie.
	He's so.
	Like forget the politics.
	Like you wouldn't have to.
	Forget the politics.
	I wouldn't look in his direction.
	I'd think he was atrocious.
	I'd literally look at him and tap that sophisticated?
	No.
	Okay, all right.
	No, he's a good tap.
	I wouldn't even look at him.
	I'd probably like hold my hand.
	Okay, so on the scale of one to ten, what do you rate yourself?
	I would just say tend to be optimistic, but I don't, I feel like it's not really an actual rating, you know?
	Okay.
	Rhino?
	I would say 6.5.
	Okay.
	I give myself 6.
	Yeah.
	6.5 on a good day.
	How about that?
	All right, cool.
	Thank you, Stiffler.
	Appreciate it.
	Good to have you.
	Let's see.
	Are we kind of on chats?
	Okay, we have a note here for Julia.
	You were in a situation with a meth head.
	Tell us about it.
	Oh, shit.
	No.
	Oh.
	Did you also do meth with him?
	No.
	I don't know.
	I just was in a situationship with a guy that was addicted to meth and coke.
	And he would make me do really strange things.
	Like, he would spam call me at like three, four in the morning until I answered.
	And then he'd be like, come outside right now.
	Like, I need you.
	And then I'd come outside.
	And then like we'd go climb a tree.
	That sounds like what a Cokehead would do.
	Yeah.
	That sounds like kind of normal.
	But didn't you not know that it was like meth in the main, like the majority of the time?
	Like you thought it was just Coke, but then you ended up finding out that he knew it was cut with meth.
	Yeah, I found out later that it was meth.
	I thought it was just Coke.
	I had to find out it was meth.
	His friend told me, he was like, you know, he's been on meth for so long.
	And I was like, oh, I thought it was just Coke.
	And he was like, no.
	Is that your type?
	Meth heads?
	No.
	I mean, you were in a situation with him.
	Maybe at the time.
	Okay.
	But at the time, you were into meth heads.
	Yeah, he made me.
	Has there been more than one method?
	No.
	Multiple methods.
	Just one method.
	Just one.
	Okay.
	But he made me do a lot of weird things.
	Like, he'd make us steal bikes and we'd just like ride bikes.
	That sounds like some method shit.
	That wasn't a red flag tree.
	Steal a bike.
	How many bikes did you steal?
	I always returned.
	Don't incriminate.
	Don't incriminate yourself.
	Wait, you would steal the bikes and then return them?
	Yeah, we'd go to the bike.
	We'd borrow the bikes, go on a bike ride to wherever he wants to go, and then we come back, return the bikes back where they were.
	So it wasn't like too bad.
	When was this?
	I don't know if the statute of limitations is up on some of that shit.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	You're fine.
	You're fine.
	You return the bikes.
	It's all good.
	Yeah, it was like two years ago.
	But I ended up doing a lot of weird things with him.
	Drug thing?
	Did you do drugs with him?
	Just his little adventures.
	Did you think you were going to change him?
	That sounds kind of fun.
	I felt like his therapist a lot.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	But he made me realize to never do that again.
	Methad?
	Yeah.
	Was he like a tweaker type of method?
	Just tweaking them shit.
	He would tweak.
	He would hop.
	He had like a little hop thing where he'd just like hop around.
	He had a crip walk.
	Yeah, it was a crip walk.
	It was a what?
	It was a crip walk.
	Crip walk?
	Can you demonstrate it for us?
	Right here.
	Let's see the.
	Let's see this.
	Okay, she's gonna do the crip walk.
	It was just like good times.
	You also said you, maybe, I don't know if this was with your meth head boyfriend situationship, whatever.
	You broke into a random house to hook up with someone while the people that lived at the house were home.
	Was that what the method guy?
	Yeah.
	So you didn't know these people.
	No, so he was just like, let's go in, let's go in.
	And then I was like, no.
	And then he opened the door and it just opened.
	Like, they didn't lock their door.
	This is an assistant.
	Is this in Santa Barbara?
	IV.
	Oh, IV, okay.
	And so we go into the bathroom and we see, we hear people in a bedroom.
	Like, and I'm like, fuck, like, this is so scary.
	But we go into the bathroom and then we're doing a little thing and then we leave and then we like tiptoe out and then we hear the door open, the bedroom door, and we start freaking out.
	So we just run out as fast as we can.
	And then like two weeks later, I am hanging out with a friend and her friends.
	Can you scoop the mic a little closer towards you?
	Yeah.
	And then two weeks later, I'm hanging out with my friend and her friends.
	And we all are hanging out.
	And then we go to drop her off at her house.
	And it's the house.
	And I was like, oh my God.
	And I like yelled.
	And she was like, what?
	And I was like, girl, I'm so sorry, but I broke into your house.
	And it was just such a weird coincidence.
	But we ended up becoming friends.
	Tee hee.
	Sorry, I broke in your house.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Sounds like you and the meth head guy had some adventures.
	Yeah.
	It's definitely regret it so much.
	Not my brightest moment.
	It sounds like you committed various acts of misdemeanors and felonies.
	Good times.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	Slight home invasion hookup.
	Nothing to get the juices flown.
	Okay, cool.
	So we have, let's see, who else do we have here?
	Let's see, Anissa.
	How do you pronounce your name?
	Anissa.
	Anissa.
	Okay.
	I'll try to get that right finally.
	You, okay, living in Vegas, dating in Vegas, very interesting.
	I don't think people move to Vegas to find love.
	Although my social media may portray me as sexual slash your typical IG girl, I lost my virginity at 25 with the person who I thought I was going to end up with.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Tragic.
	Late bloomer.
	Yeah.
	Late bloomer.
	And you're 28 now, so three years.
	Yeah, and I moved to Vegas.
	That happened.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I moved to Vegas.
	I didn't think like, you know, I moved to Vegas to make some money and work in the industry.
	I met someone.
	He lives in a different state.
	What industry?
	Like nightlife.
	Nightlife?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	He lived in a different state.
	I was like, oh, wow, this is the one.
	Like, you know, gonna do it.
	Happened.
	He ended up having a girlfriend for like a year.
	So yeah, that was unfortunate.
	Good times.
	How long, wait, how long were you dating him before you guys got intimate?
	It was not long.
	It was like two months.
	Yeah.
	That's pretty long.
	That's pretty long.
	That's a long time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I guess, right?
	I mean, I don't know.
	That's exactly what I mean.
	I mean, I think, I mean.
	You said that dating in bigger cities is more transactional and less genuine than dating in less popular areas.
	Yeah.
	Or populated areas, I think you might have said.
	Yeah, yeah.
	When you say transactional, though, what do you mean?
	I just think like, you know, like women are looking to get taken care of and men are looking for like someone hot.
	Like, I just think it's a lot less genuine than, you know, like when you're in a smaller area and you don't have as much opportunity, you know, like women, like, we can't go out as much and find these big ballers and, you know, men aren't finding, or surrounded by these beautiful women.
	Like, things are just a little different, I think, in smaller places.
	I'm from a pretty small town.
	Right.
	I mean, I've definitely heard that, like, in a lot of these major cities, especially like Miami, LA, Vegas.
	It strikes me as these are, in addition to what you said about being more transactional, they tend to be very superficial, too.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And so they almost coincide in that way.
	But when you say transactional, like...
	I mean, I guess I just...
	Maybe transactional isn't the right word, but...
	I mean, I think it can be.
	I mean, I do think there is, like, relationships are transactional.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, hey, you're looking for a man to provide, protect whatever a man's looking for, a beautiful woman to.
	Oh, okay.
	I see what you're saying.
	But yeah, I just think it's, it is a lot more superficial.
	Right.
	Maybe that's a better word.
	You also wrote here that the fact that most people believe that a woman having kids lowers her value is why some women are opting out of having children.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	And you think that's because that's making women opt out of having children because it lowers their value.
	I don't think it lowers.
	I don't think having children lowers your value as a woman.
	I think having kids without a father does.
	Okay.
	So like in the dating marketplace, and when I say value, I'm talking like your value in the dating marketplace.
	Certainly somebody who's got three kids in tow from different fathers, you are less valuable on the dating marketplace than somebody who doesn't have kids in tow.
	And I would argue that would be the case.
	Also, women can feel the same way.
	Women can also feel like, I'd prefer to date a guy who doesn't have three children with three different women.
	I think it's reasonable in both directions.
	We could say it would be a sub-optimal partner to date somebody who's kind of might have their attentions a little distracted because of the children.
	Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
	But I don't think like if I was with a long-term partner, I don't really believe in marriage, but if I was with my long-term partner and we had kids, it wouldn't lower her value in my eyes.
	But as a single guy, if I'm talking to a single woman who's single mother, I would say that she is a sub-optimal partner.
	Yeah, and I can see that.
	I don't have any kids.
	I'd rather date a woman who doesn't have any kids.
	Yeah.
	I can see that.
	I guess just kind of like in, you know, like the internet manosphere, I guess some of them, you know, I do think it's there are super valid reasons to not want to date a single mother.
	Yeah, no, I completely understand.
	Yeah, I get that.
	I guess maybe I kind of wanted to elaborate on that.
	Like, I do think like women wanted to be more traditional originally, and I do think just how things have been going, like, you know, a woman with kids just isn't looked at as, I don't know.
	A woman with kids is less valuable than a man with kids, I think.
	And just roles are kind of like switching up.
	And I think women are, you know, being seen as less than if they have children compared to a man who has children.
	So I do think a lot more women are kind of opting out of not wanting to be mothers and wives and things like that.
	I'm still pro.
	I still want to be a mother and a wife, but I'm just saying for a lot of, you know, younger women, I think they kind of want to opt out of that just because of how things have been going.
	Yeah.
	Have kids?
	Have kids with a husband.
	Have kids with somebody who you really anticipate spending your whole life.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	Completely.
	Yeah.
	Sasha.
	Wait, that's not your real name, though.
	No, that's my alter ego.
	Oh, alter ego.
	Yeah.
	Do you have a split personality?
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Split personality disorder, ADHD, everything.
	Autism, all of it.
	Gang gang.
	No, okay.
	You said you were with your ex for five years, had a huge age gap, 11 years.
	He kept cheating on you emotionally, so you snapped, you slashed three of his tires so he couldn't get an insurance claim, but then you made up and you slashed his fourth one so that it could go on the insurance.
	Why don't you tell us the story?
	Oh, yeah.
	So we were starting our relationship.
	He was a lot older than I was.
	I was 17.
	I didn't see.
	Yes, red flag, red flag.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But I was like a month and a half into turning 18.
	It's still a very red flag.
	Listen, I know.
	And as I'm older now, I realize that.
	He had always been talking to his exes.
	He had always wanted to keep in contact with them.
	As I got older, I was like, that's not acceptable.
	Like, no, thank you.
	We were in Miami and I suspected that there was some shady shit going on.
	And there was.
	So I looked through his Snapchat and he had been talking to a girl that was actually younger than me.
	Yikes.
	Again, red fucking flag.
	I know.
	I know.
	And it was emotional cheating.
	It was saying about how, like, you know, maybe we could have worked.
	I miss you.
	I don't know if I'm happy.
	This, this, and that.
	And I was like, yo, like, I would rather have you physically cheated on me than done that.
	So I snapped one night and I drove to his place and I I slashed his tires on his new truck and then I went inside and I was like, he didn't even know I was there.
	I went inside and I was like, you want to tell me something?
	You want to talk about it?
	Wait, how did you, like, you just, did you know his passcode?
	How did you know his...
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, I knew everything.
	I knew all his passwords.
	I knew everything.
	How did you know?
	Because he had shared them with me previously.
	Okay.
	But so you made up that night?
	Made up that night.
	Yeah.
	I made up.
	So then you went the same night that you slashed three tires, you slashed the fourth.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, we both walked outside and finished off the job so that he could file the insurance company.
	Wait, did you tell him that?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's actually kind of like if you get your tires slashed, you yourself just slashed the fourth one.
	Yeah, wait, yeah.
	Wait, loophole.
	And then he got the insurance claim.
	Is that really a thing with insurance if only three of the tires are slashed?
	This was back in 2017.
	I'm assuming it's still a thing.
	Right.
	So why can't you just slash the fourth one?
	Insurance profile.
	You wouldn't know about it?
	It would have been like, oh, shit.
	Like, why can't you just do it yourself?
	And then file the.
	You could.
	Wait, so you told him though?
	You told me that.
	But they did it together.
	That you slashed the tires.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	And then we both went outside and finished up the picture.
	Wow, that sounds like a very healthy relationship.
	It was the healthiest I've ever been in.
	Super healthy.
	Oh, my gosh, yeah.
	Super healthy.
	Okay, good times.
	Let's see.
	What else you wanted?
	Pegging.
	You really wanted to talk about pegging, it sounds like.
	So are you, you would like to peg your men?
	I don't.
	Oh, why do you want to begin?
	No, this is something I want to talk about because it's such like a trend nowadays.
	Is it a trend?
	It is.
	I feel like.
	Has any girl here pegged a guy?
	It's not a trend.
	Oh my god, they're young.
	They're young.
	Stop.
	Hold on.
	They're young.
	They're young.
	No, it's like a thing with the college girls.
	They like want to peg their boyfriend.
	It's a transfer of power.
	And I feel like a lot of successful men want to be pegged.
	What?
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	They do.
	Have you encountered this?
	Have you pegged a dude?
	I've been.
	Men have asked me to peg them, and I'm like, what the fuck?
	Okay.
	Is any girl here?
	Sophie.
	Absolutely not.
	You went into it.
	No.
	Julia.
	What if it was like one of the meth head adventures?
	A meth head adventure with your ex.
	If he was like tweaking this, tweaking on meth.
	Julia.
	Can you peg me?
	In this tree.
	It's a transfer of a Dr. Seuss book in the making.
	He pegged me on a tree, on a boat.
	What's that?
	Green eggs and ham?
	I don't know.
	On a boat.
	It would be kind of funny, but I wouldn't actually do it.
	Okay, did anybody know pegging here?
	Okay.
	Somebody's done it.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever been pegged?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How was it?
	Was it doggy style?
	It was cool.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it was like a transfer of power, but it was also like a trust thing.
	Like, I do think you trusted me and you felt comfortable.
	I would feel so destroyed.
	I never told you.
	I mean, I knew our being destroyed.
	Did they enjoy it?
	I can't do that shit.
	Yeah.
	I think a lot more men would enjoy it than like what they think.
	Did you enjoy it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because it was kind of a power thing, but it was like a trust.
	Like we felt closer.
	You know what I mean?
	There's no way your girl can respect you after she pegs you.
	That's not true.
	I think I respected him more.
	No fucking way.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I think it was.
	No fucking way.
	Yeah.
	There's no way.
	Okay, well, that's fine, whatever.
	You also want, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas?
	What happens in Vegas that stays in Vegas?
	happens in Vegas is people want to come out to the club and act like there are no rules, no responsibilities, and they make mistakes and they think that it stays in Vegas, but really it doesn't.
	The hang on.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, when, you know, let's, for example, a bachelor party comes in and they want to hook up with some girls.
	Yeah, they're taking home those STDs.
	It does not stay in Vegas.
	Are you saying there's a high STD rate in Vegas?
	There might be.
	There might be.
	There's a high transactional rate of people from out of town hooking up in Vegas and taking it back home when they're shit.
	There's the working girls.
	Right.
	No, not even that.
	I'm just talking about random people at the club.
	It's like random randos, man.
	It's about one in three SB.
	One in three people in Ilvis to have an STD.
	Yeah.
	One, two, three.
	I don't know if you're four.
	Asher says three?
	It's you four, right?
	Asha, who is it?
	Nomi.
	We had a girl.
	What show was it?
	It was last show.
	Last show.
	She had the clap.
	She got the clap.
	Wait, was that?
	Two shows ago.
	She had Chlamydia from Risa.
	Oh, that's right.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Let's see.
	Oh, we wanted to come back to everybody's type.
	Because of you.
	We'll start with you, then we'll figure it out.
	What's your type?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Tattoos are definitely like a big thing on there.
	Do you like gangbangers?
	No.
	Thugs?
	No.
	Trappers.
	Like.
	I don't know how to put this.
	I like guys that look like they would stink, but don't.
	What?
	Like, they look like they smell bad.
	Like, I like skater boys.
	Oh, skater boys.
	Yeah, shivering.
	Skater boys look like they smell bad.
	Do they stink?
	Not all of them.
	I don't just like skater boys.
	The primary thing with skater boys is that they look stinky.
	Not necessarily.
	But they're just coffee.
	Wait, are you from Santa Barbara?
	No, you're...
	Where are you from?
	I'm from...
	How long have you been in Santa Barbara?
	Almost, I think, two years now.
	Did you just go to Santa Barbara skate park by, what is it, East Beach?
	Is it West Beach?
	Yeah, I used to go there a lot, actually.
	But because I wanted to skate.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Not for the stinky skater boys.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	But I don't.
	So, dudes, okay, dudes who look stinky, what else?
	I used to.
	Yeah, tattoos.
	I used to kind of like stinky.
	Do you have a preference?
	No, not really.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's fine.
	No.
	But yeah, I mean, I used to really like douchey guys, but I'm kind of over that.
	I really just, I don't have it in your life.
	You used to really like douchey guys.
	You still do.
	I liked the chase.
	You still do, but you used to too.
	Sure.
	I rather, I'm just, I don't know.
	I liked the chase.
	Like, that was a really big part of it.
	Okay.
	But I don't want that anymore.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What's your type?
	I mean, I don't really have a strict type.
	I mean, just like chill, athletic.
	Athletic.
	How tall?
	Ooh, we should do maybe height.
	Does height matter for you?
	Yeah, I like six foot and up.
	How tall are you?
	5'2.
	Nick, if you can get that meme going.
	5'0.
	She's 5'2.
	It's like the charger.
	What's your bare minimum, though?
	But you definitely have a strong preference for 6'.
	5'10.
	Like, my first boyfriend was 5'5.
	I've only had two boyfriends.
	My first one was like 5'10.
	My second was like 6'5 ⁇ .
	6'5?
	Yeah.
	Is this you?
	I think that that's you kind of.
	That's the type of guy she likes.
	Yeah, that actually is probably the skater boy type thing.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So your second boyfriend was 6'5.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	It's, I don't know why.
	Is this a home invasion?
	Yeah.
	I got a gun.
	I got a gun.
	Who's got the gun?
	Here, tell us your types, guys, while we're...
	Who's next?
	Anissa?
	Um...
	I don't know if I have a type physically, necessarily.
	But like someone in shape, takes care of himself.
	I like men who are like ambitious, generous, thoughtful.
	Yeah.
	That's kind of my type.
	Yeah, I think mine is just someone that respects me and is a nice guy.
	I don't really care, like, I don't have like, yeah.
	You don't care about looks?
	I do.
	I mean, I don't have like a race preference or anything, though.
	If I think you're attractive.
	No.
	I don't know.
	I'm more about personality.
	I'm not saying I'll date anybody, but if you make me happy and you make me comfortable, yes.
	I feel like I've gravitated towards more white men that have, I guess, tattoos are turned on for me.
	I do like a dad bod.
	I like some pudge-pudge, a little bit of a belly.
	But no, just be nice, be a decent human, and yeah, that's about it.
	My type is definitely like, honestly, like someone that kind of looks like me, like I like blonde hair, blue-eyed, like six, four is like the perfect height.
	And yeah, obviously someone that's like respectful, but I can do a brunette with blue eyes, but preferably blonde.
	I have blue eyes.
	It has to have blue eyes.
	You're thinking about your future children.
	Yes, exactly.
	And I want my kids to have blonde hair, blue eyes.
	And you want your kids to be D1 athletes, so your man has to be tall.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	That's right.
	You know me.
	Okay.
	Oh, man.
	Nick, did you overhear that?
	I missed it.
	Your name's Retisha, right?
	Yeah.
	You have the most fucking obnoxious friends.
	Your friends came to our studio because three of them called everybody, all the residents here, on the call box wondering about you.
	Did you not tell, like...
	No, they know.
	So why are they coming and harassing the other tenants at my building?
	I have no idea.
	You told them, but you provided them with the address.
	They have my location.
	But so why are they here?
	I don't know.
	I don't have my phone with me.
	I mean, I'm sorry.
	Your friends are, I'm going to have to drop the R slur, are fucking retarded.
	That's just so fucking weird.
	Anyways.
	That's not necessary.
	It kind of is when your friends are harassing coming to the building and I have somebody knocking on my door saying, yo, there's three girls outside.
	But I know it's not your fault.
	But you don't have to use the arsler on that.
	It's kind of R slurred.
	It's a little R Slurred.
	It's through like a miscommunication, right?
	What's the miscarriage?
	You're literally live on a podcast.
	What is their concern?
	I have no clue, but I'm just saying, like, I don't know.
	Can you do you have your phone on you?
	Can you see?
	I see my purse.
	Like, they knew where it was.
	It's like, I don't know.
	It's just really peculiar behavior for them to be literally on the call box asking every single tenant.
	It's per like, that's so weird.
	Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
	Like, you're an adult.
	You communicated to them that you would.
	Okay, I don't know.
	But I, you know, my property manager, Nick, could you hit the lights back there?
	It's like interrupting the podcast.
	It's just your friends are really immature.
	That's ridiculous.
	So.
	Sorry, I have no clue what happened.
	I don't know.
	I don't really have anything to say.
	I mean, it's not you that's doing it.
	It's your friends.
	It's just like when you're so weird.
	It's so fucking weird.
	I don't even know what to do.
	I've never had.
	Maybe they were concerned with where she's at, but yeah, you're like live streaming on the show.
	Yeah.
	You're abducted.
	You're here.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	No, but with my property, like these, her friends are literally harassing residents wondering where she's at.
	So I don't know if you just didn't communicate to them that you know where you're an adult and you would be gone for a couple of hours.
	No, they know where I am.
	They have my location.
	Like, I just, I don't know.
	I don't know what to say.
	Did you instruct them to like to come get me?
	To like come and no, no, of course not.
	I don't know what person in their right mind when.
	Okay, whatever.
	Sorry, it's just frustrating, guys, because whatever.
	I don't know.
	Where were we?
	What were we talking about?
	I think we're on type.
	Down here.
	Anyways.
	I guess I tend to go for taller guys, like 6'1 and above.
	And I do like darker features and darker skin men.
	And I do like tattoos.
	So.
	Just really quick, the reason why I'm upset about it, you might not think it's a big deal.
	Like, we are tenants here.
	And like that kind of shit, people, like strangers showing up to our building, blowing up every single fucking tenant in the building, wondering where you are, puts us at risk with our landlord and potentially getting evicted.
	No, that's valid.
	So I don't know why your friends are making a huge fucking scene.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, it's valid.
	It's just there's nothing really I can.
	I know, I know.
	You're not really to blame.
	It's your friends, but it's just like really fucking weird and puts us in a bad position.
	So that's why I'm kind of like frustrated about it.
	So, anyways, okay, let's move on.
	Let's see.
	I'm trying to remember where I was here.
	Is that situation handled, though?
	Are they?
	I don't.
	I told you.
	Did you text them?
	Like, should you grab your phone and just like, yo, what's up?
	What's going on?
	What did the friends say?
	Is there an emergency?
	Well, I don't know.
	Maybe it's, maybe you should text me.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	She's good.
	She's literally sitting at the table.
	We're having a conversation.
	Like, what the fuck?
	Holy shit.
	Like, log on to the live stream.
	I know, tell me, join the live stream.
	They knew I was going on the podcast.
	Like, they know that, like, it was four minutes away from where, like, they know that it's like right where, like, near where I live.
	Like, I don't, I don't know.
	Do any of your friends are, do they know your family at all?
	My family?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, I don't know what it could be.
	It's just fucking super weird.
	Do you need to go check your phone?
	You should take it.
	That's just probably fine.
	That's just probably fine.
	It's probably, I don't know what their deal is.
	I'd actually be curious to like Go fucking down there and be like, the fuck's your problem?
	But they're still here?
	I don't know.
	Oh, I do not know.
	Or is that just someone?
	No, that was my property manager being like, yo, Brian, there's some crazy fucking girls out.
	I don't know if he said, he didn't say crazy.
	I'm being a little hyperbolic, but he's like, there's three girls who have called every single tenant using the call box in the building asking about you.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm really sorry.
	I'm really sorry.
	Maybe she's getting trolled.
	Bro, this is some like liberal weird snowflake shit.
	I don't know what the fuck is that.
	Like, oh, my friend, let me go check on her and harass everybody in the fucking apartment complex.
	I mean, there could be something else going on.
	Snowflake weirdos.
	Okay.
	I'm not talking about you.
	I'm talking about your fucking dork ass friends.
	Not you.
	I'm talking about you.
	You don't need someone to talk to you when some shit goes.
	Can we argue that?
	Yeah, it really seems like it right now.
	Because you're like, you're on one.
	Yeah, everybody.
	Bro, this is my business, though.
	She's cut.
	Oh, no, no.
	Your friends are coming to my place of business fucking with my shit.
	I am a businessman.
	You know I'm a businessman because you find me at my places of business.
	This guy needs someone to talk to, I think.
	I don't know.
	Brian's tripping.
	Maybe you gotta go.
	The property manager probably went down.
	He's like, yo, she's chill.
	Like, she's good.
	Pull up the live stream or whatever.
	But, bro, what the fuck?
	That's some weird shit, son.
	You gotta get some new friends.
	Your friends are fucking geek dorks.
	What the fuck?
	That's not necessary.
	It's pretty necessary.
	It's pretty, pretty, pretty necessary.
	I was like, I checked your phone.
	Just stay here, Nick.
	Get her phone for her.
	Just grab your phone.
	Like, what the fuck is the deal?
	Like, let's get down to the bottom of this.
	But, yeah, it has a problem with solutions.
	It's the most obnoxious.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	But there's fucking bothersome, irritating, immature motherfucking shit I've had to endure.
	Yeah, sure.
	The big reveal.
	There's never a big deal.
	Yeah, we got talk going on now.
	Okay, yeah.
	Tell us, have they been texting you?
	Have they been blowing up your phone?
	What's going on?
	Do you want to go get some boba?
	You want to get some boba?
	Where are you?
	Time for our 10 p.m. girls.
	Like night sunset wall.
	You guys want to go to ECMO?
	You need to get some.
	Did you find them?
	What did they say?
	Yeah, it's just some, like, just nothing.
	It's fine.
	No, we gotta know.
	We gotta know.
	Okay.
	Tell us.
	Tell us what it is.
	No, it's just personal.
	Like, it's just, like, the.
	Do you need to go?
	No, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	It's just fine.
	No, no, no.
	You gotta tell us.
	I can't.
	I can't.
	No.
	Blank out the name.
	It's not about like, it's just, it's just, it was just my family.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	Your family doesn't watch on this podcast.
	No, they don't.
	Okay.
	No, it's not about it's just something.
	Okay.
	It's fine.
	Okay.
	But it's about, it's about your family?
	No, it's fine.
	Do I have to like give?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	They came and disrupted.
	I mean, it was just something personal.
	Just something happened.
	They just wasn't informed.
	I don't have to.
	I don't have to.
	You don't have to go.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but can you give us at least a little context?
	I just said something personal.
	With my, like, I just said.
	With your what?
	But why do I have to.
	Like, I'm sorry that this is.
	It would be fair to provide an explanation so I can at least have some closure.
	I'm very emotional right now.
	I would appreciate some closure.
	And your reluctance to provide me with the closure, I feel, is going to leave me in a very vulnerable state.
	Fuck.
	Is it, give us a hint.
	You don't have to tell us that.
	I don't, I don't know.
	She probably doesn't want to tell us because she knows it's some like bogus, unimportant bully.
	What is it?
	She fucking knows her friends were being nosy, fucking annoying twats.
	That's why she doesn't want to tell us what it actually is.
	Because you know your friends are in the wrong.
	That's why you don't want to.
	I didn't say that they weren't in the wrong, did I?
	Okay.
	Did I say that?
	Can you answer this question?
	I said I'm sorry.
	Can you answer this or not?
	The reason they needed to contact you warranted.
	My mom was trying to contact me as well.
	I don't know what it is because I'm sitting in the podcast right now.
	Do you need to go call your mom?
	No, it's fine.
	I'm just saying.
	No, but you're saying that.
	How do your roommates know about?
	Your parents have contact with your housemates?
	I've lived with my roommates for like two years.
	This is my second.
	I'm very, like, I'm close with them.
	Like, I didn't say that what they did was like excused.
	I said, I'm sorry.
	Like, I didn't mean to, like, that's, like, I didn't want this shit like that.
	And I wouldn't want to, like, put anything about you in jeopardy.
	Like, but I don't think I need to, like, give out any information.
	I feel like you don't want to give out.
	Just, can you just give us a hint what it's about?
	You said your mom's trying to get in touch with you.
	My mom, I have, like, a missed call from, like, my mom.
	One missed call.
	But does your mom, does your mom know you're on the podcast?
	No, my mom is not in the podcast.
	But so your mom.
	Okay, so I think I understand.
	Your mom tried to call you.
	You didn't pick up.
	Instead of your mom just thinking, oh, maybe she's busy, your mom goes into like, oh my god, she's been kidnapped.
	No, I don't.
	Let me fucking.
	I don't know.
	Your mom didn't text you at all?
	You want me to like get you that information and give it to you right now?
	Can you just be fine?
	I'm just really fucking curious.
	Is it justified?
	Like that's what I'm saying.
	I just want to know if it's warranted.
	It doesn't matter.
	Even if something happened, that's not justified.
	That's not justified to do that.
	They know where I am.
	They know where my location is.
	Please, I need closure.
	Do you guys need closure?
	I kind of need closure.
	You don't need to tell me.
	You don't, if there's a family emergency, you don't need to tell me.
	I already said that what they did is not justified.
	I'm not agreeing with what they did, but I don't need to give you something about my personal life.
	Like, I don't need to.
	No, I don't need to know.
	I'm just curious.
	I'm agreeing with you that what they did was not rational.
	That's irrational to come banging and knocking on everyone's door.
	Like, that's not rational.
	I'm agreeing with you.
	But I don't need to give you this information that I don't even really even know what's going on.
	Are they still here?
	Do you know if they're still here?
	Can you at least find that out?
	because can you kindly tell them to fuck off, please?
	I love seeing this guy flip out on the show.
	No, I just, look, I would like to be aware if there's some sort of situation.
	Okay, whatever.
	Let's see.
	i'm trying to remember where we were did we get any chats while that whole was we had grid one motorsports Frank Castle, dude, the girl has not contributed much, and you're better off having her gone, bro.
	Look at her giggling like it's a joke to mess with your business.
	That's just, I mean, yeah, it's kind of true.
	I think she's giggling because I'm giggling.
	She feels uncomfortable.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She just doesn't like her.
	It's uncomfortable.
	I said it was a good idea.
	It's just a weird situation.
	I said that there's not much I can do.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I mean, we've done like 110 of these shows and we've never had someone coming.
	It's just, yo, ABCHAC, thank you very much for the gifted 50 memberships, man.
	Thank you so much for your patronage.
	Really means the world.
	Thank you, man.
	Okay, so last thing here before we wrap up here very, very soon.
	So I guess I could just, okay.
	You do.
	I can't believe I say this till the end.
	You're feminist studies, right?
	So you're a feminist.
	Oh, God.
	You've unleashed my wrath, I guess.
	Not really.
	I don't really, it's fine, whatever.
	So you're a feminist?
	I would say so.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy theory?
	I thought we talked about this already.
	We, not really.
	We didn't touch on it all that much.
	What do you think of men?
	Like, in what sense?
	Like, just in general?
	Sorry, I'm speaking to the mic.
	Like, what do you think of men?
	They're fine.
	I don't know, like, what do you want me to, like...
	No, I'm just, I mean, some women are very anti-men, or sorry.
	They're not anti-men.
	Excuse me.
	I meant to say some feminists are very anti-men.
	I'm not saying all feminists are, but there certainly is a, among a lot of feminists, I would say there's a non-negligible portion who I would consider and most people would consider, and some are even self-admitted misandrists, man-haters.
	So I'm just curious what your general views are.
	I think they're anti-men and hate men.
	But do you believe in the patriarchy?
	I think that there are some patriarchal systems that affect both men and women.
	Okay.
	Like I'm not only women are oppressed.
	Only like I don't.
	Okay.
	I think I see both sides.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So do you think women are oppressed?
	I wouldn't use the word oppressed, but I think there's certain issues that women face and there's different issues that men face in different senses.
	Okay, I can agree to that.
	Do you think men have, or do you think women have greater issues than men have as a totality?
	Greater issues?
	Yeah, Nick, can you close the doors a little bit?
	It's getting a little chilly.
	No, I think that once you start to compare issues, that's when it kind of puts one sex as a lower value than the other sex.
	But isn't that the genesis of feminism?
	Women have it worse than men do.
	That's definitely how some people view it, but when I say I'm a feminist, I kind of said this before, like I see it as like combating stereotypes that both men and women face to have like a better society.
	That's what I said.
	Okay.
	Like I'm not like only women have it hard.
	Only women deal with this.
	Like that's how I see it.
	Okay.
	I mean do you think historically women were oppressed and men were the women were the oppressed and men were the oppressors?
	Yeah.
	That's a narrative I frequently hear.
	I would say that over time dynamic is different now but I think that women have definitely been oppressed before.
	Like we see that in like different like we've seen that like throughout history in different ways.
	Like in like basic senses right, like voting rights and like right to bodily autonomy, things like that right okay but um, men were definitely oppressed in history as well, but it's just different because the oppressors were also in the same system as men.
	Like, men were always valued higher, were they?
	I would say so men were valued higher.
	I think that the, the system that oppresses men, were built by men.
	Wait, the what?
	Like the sit?
	Like the oppression that men face, like such as like, like need, like having to go to the military things like that, they're all set up by men.
	Like most of like, like history, has been set up by men okay, so I think there's That you can see in.
	Do you think if women were in charge, there wouldn't be war?
	No, I don't think so.
	That's a hard thing to kind of like assume.
	No, you if you no, you don't think if women were in charge, are you saying so you're saying if I think war is inevitable?
	It's gonna happen.
	Leadership and position, like we can't, we can't sit here and be like, if women rule the world, then this and this and this, because that's never happened.
	Wouldn't it be fair to say then that if women were in charge, there would still be a military?
	Because you said, well, men were in charge of the men.
	No, no, no, not military, but like having to like serve in the military, not the military itself.
	You don't think that there would be cons are you talking about forced conscription?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Like the fact that men have to serve.
	Yeah.
	So you're thinking if no, I was just bringing that up as an example.
	Okay, sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, I think it's hard to sit here and be like, well, if the whole history was changed, if women were in power, if this, like, that's, we can't sit there and have that conversation because that's not really.
	We don't know what that would look like.
	We don't, we don't, we can't sit here and be like, if there were all women leaders, no war would occur, you know?
	Do you think there would be less war?
	I don't even think I can say that.
	I don't even think I can speak on that.
	That's like that's a very broad, you know what I mean?
	Like, like, what would you say to that?
	Like, that's a really broad statement.
	I mean, it's hard, again, it's hard to say, but we do have some evidence to monarchies.
	And specifically, I mean, there's been different monarchies throughout history, but we actually do have some evidence to suggest that queens were more likely to wage war than kings.
	Like Great Britain.
	Well, everyone loves anarchy.
	What's that?
	Everyone loves anarchy, even women, men.
	Wait, anarchy?
	No, monarchy.
	Yeah, I know.
	Anarchy and like the whole system.
	No, monarchy.
	Yeah, I know.
	In monarchy, no, you're saying anarchy, though.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm saying like women and like men, despite war or whatever, regardless, everyone wants either to be on top or anarchy, even in a monarchy.
	You know what?
	Do you see myself?
	Never mind then.
	But they have done analysis of wars that have been waged where there was either a king or a queen, and they did find that actually queens were more likely, not by a huge margin, but were more likely to wage war than kings were.
	But I don't think you were even really making the art.
	I mean, you seemed kind of vague on one or the other.
	I don't think I'm vague.
	I'm just, I don't think I'm just like anti-men, like women should rule the world.
	Like, I don't think, I just think I'm not like that.
	You know what I mean?
	I think I'm just not really like pushing for that type of argument to happen.
	Like, I think like history happened, like, we can't really sit here and have like a discussion of like women ruling the world and like what would happen.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Well, no, I mean, not really, because maybe we should try it and see how it goes.
	I mean, we can.
	It's just like a hypothetical question.
	Like, that would be so multi-layered.
	Like, what would that look like?
	would that be what would like well one of the common discourses in feminist rhetoric is this idea of male privilege That sort of ties into patriarchy theory, just core 10 in the feminism.
	So I'm like, do you believe in male privilege?
	And I'd like to go around the table if you guys believe in this concept of male privilege.
	Let's start with you and then we'll go around.
	Me.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay.
	Male privilege as in, like, what sense?
	Like, they have things, like, easier than women?
	Sure, I guess, yeah.
	No, I feel like things are hard for everyone.
	That's fair.
	I don't really have a take on it.
	Come on, you have a take, but okay.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I believe in male privilege.
	You believe there's male privilege.
	Okay.
	I agree with her.
	I think, like, I don't really have a.
	I don't really have much of a take on it.
	Come on, you gotta take on it.
	That's a goddamn take on anything.
	You gotta take, Sophie.
	Come on.
	I believe in you.
	Um, I guess so.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I mean, yeah, it exists.
	And it's going to always be there, I think.
	I think there's some male privilege, but I think women may be a little bit more privileged.
	Especially pretty privileged.
	Yeah, that's a real thing.
	Women are probably more privileged than men, I would say.
	Okay.
	Yeah, there's also, I suppose there, do you believe in going back around the table?
	Do you believe in female privilege?
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	100%.
	I think men are more respected, but yeah, but there are definitely more pretty privileged with women.
	There's other privileges too, but women are way more privileged.
	Oh.
	I agree that women are more privileged.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I think women are privileged.
	More than men, or you think it's about the same?
	Maybe men more privileged?
	What do you think?
	I think I'm kind of in the middle.
	I don't really know.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	I think they're both privileged in different way.
	In different ways.
	Is one more privileged than the other?
	Historically, I would say that men have always been more privileged, but I would say that now we see it in different ways, especially in this society where a lot is online and a lot of like a lot of like as we talked about dating is really different for men and women.
	Like I just think that privilege for women just looks differently than how privilege for men looks.
	How does privilege for men look?
	I would say that it's like being more respected in a workplace, being more chosen over like being like already like assumed that they're like smart or being already like assumed that there's like things like that.
	Like I would say that it's just that respect.
	I think someone said that.
	Ryan, do you have, do you believe in male privilege?
	Do you believe in female privilege?
	I think that both have their own privileges in very specific instances, but I would argue that women have more, especially in today's society.
	Like, yeah, and there's different examples of that.
	Right.
	Okay.
	I mean, there's a whole bunch of ways I could approach this, but I think the reality is that both men and women face their own challenges.
	However, I would say that men's issues are ignored, downplayed, or dismissed with an apathetic, typically it's not our problem.
	Men caused it.
	Men are to blame for their own problems, aka the patriarchy.
	While women's issues tend to be taken far more seriously, which I think is a privilege in and of itself.
	I mean, that's why in every single university and college in this country, you have a feminist studies program, a women's studies program, a gender studies program, which looks at, analyzes, researches all of the ways in which women are disadvantaged, whether real or perceived, and there is absolutely no corresponding program to address men's concerns.
	You look at governmental bodies, there's typically not governmental bodies that have anything to do with men, but there's things that have to do with women's health.
	You never see anything like that.
	In corporations, it's the same exact thing.
	I don't think there's a single college or university in this country which has a men's studies program.
	I think it's because the term feminist, like the feminist study, should be men and women.
	Should it?
	Do you think it was appropriate that we, when it, like, for example, fire men, we've changed that to firefighter or like policeman, we've changed that to police officer, right?
	So don't you think like in women often, or excuse me, feminists often argue about gendered terms, but in your in your political and ideological movement, you have feminism.
	That's a gendered term in your movement.
	So why not just, I mean, we can talk about egalitarianism.
	Because we're trying not to be a minority anymore.
	Women are not a minority.
	I mean, we're just trying not to be.
	Half the population.
	We're trying to be less oppressed.
	Sorry.
	Less oppressed.
	Long term, yeah.
	How are you oppressed?
	Because we have been oppressed for a long time in the past, and now we're trying to bring light to it.
	I mean, women weren't allowed to vote until like recently.
	19, well, 1918, and I believe it was ratified in 1920.
	So we've had a century of women being able to vote, but okay.
	But the fact that that wasn't available, do you see what how that?
	Well, what I would be prepared to argue is there was, for the vast majority of human history, men weren't allowed to vote either.
	There's maybe a hundred-year period where men were start.
	It used to be a very small proportion of, regardless of gender, people could vote.
	Yeah.
	So it is a very small, for the longest period of human history, neither men or women could vote.
	It was a very small portion of history where men did, there were more men that could vote than women.
	Yeah.
	But part of that was because of men, men were subject to military conscription and women were not.
	Me personally, in 1914, let me see how I want to tackle this.
	I would have preferred not having the right to vote in 1914.
	Is there any reason why I might have, let's say I was alive at that point, is there any reason why I might have not wanted the right to vote and the corresponding responsibilities that came with it in that time period?
	Because you would have stayed at home, you would have been like the caretaker.
	Is that what you're kind of saying?
	Let me ask, what happened in the later part of the, from 1914 to 1918, what happened?
	Like, what do you mean?
	From 1914 to 1918, what happened?
	A lot.
	There was a mini...
	Okay.
	Okay, so World War I was from 1914 to 1918.
	It was the most, up until that point, it was the most brutal war that involved many, many nations.
	There was chemical weapons, trench warfare, warfare that had a type of warfare that had never been seen before, millions of casualties, millions of deaths, predominantly when it comes to military casualties, predominantly men.
	Part of being able to vote came, that was a right or a privilege, came with corresponding responsibility.
	And that responsibility was getting shipped off to Bella Wood or Amiens or the Ardennes Forest or Argonne and being in a trench, getting fucking trench foot, getting chemical, excuse me, getting chemical gas by the Germans and getting a fucking mortar or a shell or a bullet in your fucking head.
	That's what men had to be exposed to in order to have the right to vote.
	So me personally, it would have actually been a privilege to not, I don't know if the privilege is the right term, it's a privilege to get to stay home in fucking Idaho and not see the horrors of war.
	So it's not clear to me if men were advantaged during a time period when men had the right to vote and women didn't.
	Because men's right to vote came with a corresponding responsibility of being put through the meat grinder of war and being disposable.
	Men have always been the disposable sex.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But earlier you guys were saying, well, men are more respected.
	Actually, no, women's lives have always been more valued than men's lives.
	That's why we ship our young men to war and have them killed in the battlefield.
	Men are disposable.
	Women are valued.
	Men are disposable.
	And you can't.
	But the millions and millions of deaths throughout the wars reinforce my position.
	What you're saying is valid.
	I'm just saying in this day and age of respect versus value, I feel like are kind of different.
	Like value over like people always say like women and children first.
	There's value, right?
	But I'm saying like respect, as in like just respect, respect for men is like really different than respect for women.
	I would actually argue that men are less respected than women.
	You can be a misandrist and not get any backlash.
	You can say some real man-hating shit and people just think it's a joke.
	But if you were to say that shit about women, like...
	Yeah, those are issues that men face.
	Okay.
	They're constantly being like.
	Which is reinforced by feminists.
	Yeah, but I'm saying that my definition, like, I thought, like, we went over this.
	Like, when I say I'm a feminist, that's what I meant.
	Okay.
	But you're kind of bringing up this generalized term of feminism that I already said.
	Like, I didn't really agree with.
	I don't think.
	Are you just like talking about feminism in general?
	Well, I don't think I'm misrepresenting the feminist position because my understanding is the core tenant of feminism, which is taught in any university feminism feminist class, is patriarchy theory, male privilege, all these other terms.
	And like, if your position is that society is a male dominated society, if women are oppressed, men are to blame, men are the oppressors, women are the oppressed.
	If that is the central message that you're communicating to people, then in my view, that is a pretty man-hating ideology to tell young women that men are to be blamed for all the either real or perceived grievances of the past and present.
	You're teaching women to have contempt and hatred for men because you're teaching women that they are oppressed and men are the oppressors.
	If you're teaching this brain rot to people, then of course, if you believe that men are oppressors and you're oppressed, you're not going to feel, you're not going to think anything positive about men.
	I don't think I said any of, like, I don't think I like.
	I'm not sure if that's your position.
	Are you just saying in general?
	That's the mainstream feminist position, patriarchy theory, male privilege.
	That's like mainstream.
	That is in textbooks.
	okay wow that was one motorsports donated one hundred dollars first you need to ban the word like if i heal like one more time i might like freak like dots Seriously.
	Second, the delusion these privileged women have about any sort of male privilege is like amazing.
	The only privilege I have as a man is to work hard and die.
	I mean, really quick on male privilege.
	I just think if males have privilege and there's a patriarchy, how can it be that more men die in war, men are forced into war, men are less likely to go to college, men are less likely to graduate from college, more men die on the job, more men are incarcerated, more men are homeless, more men delete themselves.
	I'm failing to see where the male privilege is, where the patriarchy is.
	So I don't know.
	I have a question for you.
	Like in your studies, do they talk about how women oppress other women or do they just talk about the women like stereotypes that are like pushed on by other women?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we've like definitely talked about that.
	What's like the take on that?
	Because I mean, we talked about men oppressing women, right?
	That's like the whole thing.
	But like, I feel like women are the ones who oppress women.
	I mean, there's definitely like stereotypes that I think women like put on to each other.
	Like this idea that women can't get along or like women can't be friends.
	Like they're always going to be jealous or like catty towards each other.
	I think that's kind of based off of like the like sorry, like the idea that like women are always battling each other, like this like jealousy that like women face within each other.
	I think that's definitely stemmed by like women's just like internalized like issues that like have been like growing because of the type of society that we live in.
	Like the way that like we all like we feel the need to have like a certain type of presence or we feel the need to like look a certain way.
	I think that's definitely like reinforced by a lot of different things.
	Like I personally, just for me, my like study and what I believe in is not like anti-men.
	Men have like messed this whole world.
	Like that's just not me.
	Like I think I'm very open to the idea of like the influences of both men and women onto each other that affect each other, which is why you brought up all those things.
	Like the amount of men that delete themselves, like it's like it's in like there's a lot of issues that like men face that have been placed on them because a lot of people don't value what they go through to a certain extent.
	People are always like, well, you know, that doesn't really matter.
	Like they're sad or that doesn't matter.
	Like they'll get over it.
	Like things like that.
	Like there's a lot of issues that both men and women face that I think people kind of get lost in this idea of like what feminism is.
	And I think it's very, it's very subjective.
	It means a lot of different things now, especially.
	So.
	I have a question for you.
	Sure.
	What problems do you think women face?
	What problems do I think women face?
	Yeah, like.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't really, uh, I mean, if you're a woman, I mean, it depends what your political leanings are, but there are some women who are pro-choice, And in some states, some women can't get in abortions.
	But however, if you're a pro-lifer, you don't really see that as.
	But for some women, I suppose that could be an issue for some women.
	Of course, there are women who are pro-life.
	That's not an issue for them.
	In some regions, you can't go topless.
	I'm all for free the titty movement.
	That's what I'm all about for the titty.
	So that is one way women, that is one, honestly, that's the only right that men have that women don't, I think, in this country.
	Just to show your titties.
	Is women, men can go topless.
	It is true.
	Men can go topless.
	Women can't.
	That shit is unfair.
	And I'm all for it.
	Y'all can't free the fucking titties.
	So you don't think women have any real issues?
	Well, I do think, I mean, okay, so when we're talking about from like a rights perspective, I think we have equality.
	I can't think of any right that men have that women don't.
	Now, on a societal level, are there there's probably, yes, there are probably things that women face that men don't and vice versa.
	But typically when we're talking about women's rights, like I'm talking about rights, like we're talking about rights.
	So I think, do men and women face specifically gendered issues?
	Yes.
	But there's this whole trope of, I'm fighting for women's rights.
	Which ones?
	It's not clear to me that men have any rights that women don't at this point.
	I guess the pro-choice, you know, pro-life thing, you know, I think some women can argue, you know, that a man is deciding what they can do with their body.
	Not really.
	Well, men can't get pregnant, so I feel like that's not really a realistic, because men can't get pregnant, it's not clear to me men don't.
	You could actually make a very compelling argument that men are disadvantaged on the reproductive rights front because men have absolutely zero reproductive rights.
	If you get your girlfriend pregnant and she wants to keep the kid, you don't have a say.
	If she wants to get rid of the kid, you don't have a say.
	Yeah, no, I'm not sure.
	I'm not making an argument for one or the other, but we don't, in either direction, we don't have any reproductive rights.
	So it's not clear to me if it's a right that a man has that a woman doesn't because we don't have any reproductive rights to begin with.
	So, yeah.
	Well, I think the argument is, you know, a woman should be able to decide what she does, you know, with her body.
	I don't think she's a person.
	Well, that's a separate thing, but it's not an equal rights thing.
	I mean, is that equal to the right?
	I guess I mean rights to bodily autonomy.
	Well, men have a different bodily autonomy.
	I don't think that's something you compare.
	I think it's just something that's like women just don't have that ability to make that choice.
	Well, depending on your state.
	Depending on the state.
	Depending on your state.
	But men also can, we can make the argument that men actually have a stronger bodily autonomy argument when it comes to military conscription.
	Yeah, that's the whole topic of that men have it different, women have it different.
	Right.
	But the differe, I would say the difference.
	I would say that the difference is, is that, of course, there are women who get assaulted, but like I would, most abortions, it's like consensual sex, didn't mean to get pregnant.
	So you chose to have sex, whereas men, their bodily autonomy argument is the state, the government, coming in and saying, okay, you're drafted.
	We're shipping you to the Middle East.
	Who knows what's going to fucking happen with this current war there?
	I don't think you should compare, though.
	Do you think that I'm saying?
	What do you mean?
	Like, I don't think we should compare.
	We don't have to compare.
	Oh, I thought you, no, I just thought you...
	Well, we could.
	we could i i think i think i just thought i think you just said that like it like men have well we're talking about bodily autonomy and women women or feminists might say well men don't have like a bodily autonomy concern but we actually do when it comes to forced military conscription Oh, also, also, again, bodily autonomy.
	Most men in this country are circumcised upon birth without consent.
	So, I mean, that's another bodily autonomy argument.
	And so it's funny you laugh.
	You laugh, but literally, men's penises are mutilated upon birth without informed consent.
	So, I mean.
	Wait, so when you're circumcised, does that affect how, like, what does that affect?
	I don't know the specific statistics on this, but my understanding is that there is a percentage rate when it comes to botched circumcisions.
	So some men lose their penis.
	Some men have injury when they are circumcised.
	I don't think it's certainly not the majority, but there are certainly botched circumcisions.
	I think for a greater portion of men, they might lose some pleasure or sensitivity that they otherwise would have during sexual activity.
	But then it also just comes down to choice.
	I think, and it's probably to some degree, I think it could inflict some sort of trauma because I mean, you're inflicting physical pain on the newborn.
	We don't know what kind of mental trauma that might impact on the child.
	Maybe there's none.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if they've done studies on it, but I don't think we should be mutilating newborns.
	And I don't think there's actually a very strong claim to this hygiene thing.
	I think there's plenty of men who live in other countries who are not circumcised who can observe good hygiene when it comes to their parts.
	So that's another bodily autonomy component.
	So, yeah.
	I mean, you guys laugh, but like literally, if you think about it, newborn males are getting their genitals mutilated upon birth.
	You wouldn't circumcise your son?
	No.
	No, I would not.
	So.
	Don't people do that for like religious reasons?
	Yeah.
	Sure, there's religious reasons.
	Some people just do it for aesthetic.
	there's no real benefits sure but I don't think it's there but I just don't think the pros outweigh the cons so So yeah, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	So I'm trying to remember where we were going.
	Oh, bodily autonomy.
	Yeah, I mean, hot take, I would say that forced military conscription is worse than Roe v. Wade being repealed.
	I just don't think we should compare.
	Because it's like, I'm not a man, you're not a woman.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Well, I mean, regardless of our gender or sex, I think.
	I feel like it's just hard to compare two different things that are just like on opposite ends.
	Well, I mean, I suppose you can't make some comparisons because it is a bodily autonomy thing.
	So, yeah, I think forced military conscription is a worse infliction upon men than the current state of abortion rights in this country.
	Without making a statement on abortion rights, I just think, like, this is something you're forced to do.
	Whereas, like, again, yes, there are some women who are SA'd, but most women who get abortions, it was from perfectly consensual sex.
	So, the difference is, is that the state, the government, can come in, force you to go to war, but nobody's forcing you to have sex.
	That's your opinion.
	It's not my opinion.
	It's a fact.
	Okay.
	Do you think it's my opinion that...
	I'm saying it's your opinion that you think that...
	Oh, that I think it's a greater...
	That forced military conscription is a greater grievance than abortion rights.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's your opinion.
	Well, do you disagree?
	Do you think one is more?
	I just don't think that there should be a comparison.
	That's personally how I see it.
	Because I think that once you start comparing it, then it's just like.
	Well, I think you can make comparisons.
	You.
	You can make comparisons, but when you see value, like what's worth, like, then I think that the subject, I don't know.
	But that's the whole concept of male privilege, female privilege, and of that's pretty much the bedrock of feminism.
	We as women have been disadvantaged in comparison to men.
	We desire equal treatment in comparison to men.
	And I'll tell you this, there's not feminists that are fighting for equalization of military conscription.
	And you might say, well, we haven't had the draft in a long time.
	I'll tell you this, when it comes to the Vietnam War, there are men that would be alive today that aren't because of forced military conscription.
	And there are men alive today that were conscripted in the military that have PTSD, who have lost limbs because they went to Vietnam and they saw horrific things or they got a fucking shell in their head or whatever.
	But do you think it's also because, like, what that guy had said about, you know, like, obviously in war you need someone who's, like, stronger, faster.
	If all these other countries are sending their strongest, you know, soldiers, obviously women, we don't stand a chance.
	Like if we're going to fight these other countries, we have to send men.
	Well, sure, there is a practical and a pragmatic component of, well, just based on pure biological reality that men have greater upper body strength and, you know, whatever it may be.
	But wait, do you think that just consensus on this?
	Are men, generally speaking, physically stronger than women?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay, because some feminists don't know.
	Like actually.
	Okay.
	But I mean, I would make the argument that you can also have conscription for support roles.
	So women should be conscripted too.
	But you don't see feminists in the street fighting for equalization of military conscription.
	Actually, they fight against it.
	Actually, a lot of feminist organizations will fight against equality if said equality comes to the detriment of women.
	That's why I don't think feminism is about equality.
	I think in the most generous, if I can paint feminism in the most good light, it is women's advocacy.
	There's nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but let's not get it twisted with equality.
	So my thing with feminism is feminists will fight for equality only if women benefit from said equality.
	If said equality would come to the detriment of women, feminists will not fight for it.
	Military conscription.
	A lot of like custody things, women will, or feminist organizations will push against it.
	Reformation of alimony laws, feminist organizations push against it.
	In Florida, there was a law to equalize custody of children.
	I think it was the National Organization for Women, which was one of the leading women's and feminist organizations in this country in Florida.
	They campaigned against the bill to equalize shared custody.
	So, again, feminists will fight against equality if that equality could in some way conceivably come to the detriment of women.
	So, I don't really think feminism is about equality.
	I think it's about women's advocacy in the most generous light triggered.
	No, no, I mean, yeah, I'm not.
	I'm happy to, if you guys want to rebuke or rebuke me or disagree.
	I'm not sure what you're saying is valid, and I know a lot of people in this room probably don't agree, but what you're saying is valid.
	I think I saw what's that one movie about like the feminist movement.
	Is it the red pill?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if it's necessarily called the red pill, but it does kind of speak on like you know, alimony and like child support, and yeah, how like there really is a war on men.
	And I don't agree with all of it, but I do, yeah, I do see you know your point of view.
	I'll say this: I'll say this: there are no feminists when World War III starts.
	A lot of you guys want equal rights, equal rights, equal fights.
	No, I'm kidding, anyways.
	But yes, I mean, like, look at Ukraine.
	All the women could leave the country, all the men had to stay from the age of 18 to I think 60 or 65.
	You, as a man, could not leave the country.
	If you're a woman, you could leave.
	That's why, you know, it's so crazy.
	Oh, feminism this, feminism, that.
	When it fucking comes down to it, when it comes down to the fight, when it comes down to Russia invading your country, there's no feminists anymore.
	All the women, while all their men in Ukraine were dying, getting killed, all the women went to Stockholm, Sweden, and were fucking in the club, partying, getting drunk.
	They went to the UK, they went to Sweden, they went wherever.
	They get to continue their hot girl summer while Russia did $99 for the itty, bitty, titty committees and teachers.
	Olay, bitty committees.
	What do you do if you were an hour late to a date and he takes you to the Cheesecake Factory?
	Oh, Christian.
	More like crack walk.
	The fuck was that?
	Hashtag mids hashtag feminism.
	So speaked.
	What do you do if you were an hour?
	I saw that video.
	I want to react to it in one of our future streams.
	So what's the his question is would you guys object to a guy taking it to taking you to the cheesecake factory on a first date?
	No, there was more to the question.
	There was something about being an hour late.
	Okay.
	Would you here?
	Just would you object if a guy took you to the cheesecake factory on a first date?
	No.
	I love the cheesecake factory.
	I think that's a legit date.
	Good place.
	Pretty solid.
	Anybody?
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	We have a jack.
	I'll message you later for our date.
	See you soon.
	I'll be waiting.
	She will be waiting.
	Okay.
	I think we're all wrapped up.
	Final question here before.
	Oh, yeah.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash/whatever.
	Drops a follow.
	Drops the Prime Sub.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay.
	Last question before we wrap up.
	Wait, let me just make sure.
	Yeah, I think we're good on that.
	Body count.
	Should do you object to men caring about body count?
	Let's start with you.
	I'll start with you, yeah.
	Oh, me.
	Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
	Caring about body count?
	I guess I'm like, I've always just been curious with anyone I've dated what their body count is.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree with her.
	Yeah, I don't blame them for judging someone off body count because I would do the same thing.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think men should definitely ask your body count and you should be truthful about it.
	Yeah, I think we should both be curious.
	I guess so, but I feel like it's so like high school.
	Yeah.
	Like, I honestly, like, I don't give a shit anymore.
	About body count?
	What if a guy didn't want to date you because of your body count?
	Would you think he's like kind of insecure or immature?
	It's stupid.
	Like, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	It's stupid.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I mean, yeah, I disagree with them, honestly.
	Word.
	What about you?
	A man's body count isn't as important as a woman's body count.
	Isn't as important.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't really care about a man's body count, but I mean.
	Julia disagrees with you over here, by the way.
	But I do think a woman's body count is much more important.
	I feel like part of a woman's value is, you know, kind of like your purity.
	And yeah, if you're just fucking a bunch of dudes, I don't think society's going to see you as valuable.
	Yeah.
	You're no longer a high-value woman.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I'm just kind of fucked, but I mean, I think it's a good idea.
	That was her whole doubt.
	It's the reality.
	Sorry.
	I apologize, but it is what it is, right?
	Wait, okay, so question.
	If body count doesn't matter, what's your body count starting with you?
	I thought we all said body count does matter.
	No.
	No.
	Oh.
	I thought it doesn't matter.
	Yeah.
	If it doesn't matter, if you want to share, that's fine.
	Anybody here want to share body count?
	Five.
	Five?
	Three.
	Nine.
	Okay.
	Range?
	Do you want to give us a range?
	Like, not an exact number, but.
	It's below five.
	Okay.
	Do you want range for you?
	No.
	I think she's triggered by all the.
	Yeah.
	Are you a little triggered?
	I'm just tapped.
	She's tapped.
	There you go.
	What about you?
	No comment.
	Rhino, 100 plus.
	Digital foot counts.
	Ryan?
	Digital food.
	You just had a hoe.
	Did you have a ho phase, Ryan?
	You still have a ho phase?
	You're in a ho phase right now?
	No.
	I have not.
	I didn't have a ho phase.
	I think I just started and then we're going to wrap up the show.
	Before I wrap, last call.
	Speak now forever, hold your peace.
	Anything?
	Anybody?
	Final thoughts?
	I'm really sorry about interrupting your podcast.
	I feel really bad.
	I'm really sorry.
	I'm still really curious.
	Can I please have a question?
	What's going on?
	Once we close the podcast, I don't know.
	I have no clue.
	Like, I need to figure out too, you know?
	But I just feel bad.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	Accept the apology.
	I mean, you didn't really do anything wrong.
	I know, but I'm just saying on behalf, like that wouldn't have happened if I wasn't here, you know?
	Yeah, it's not your fault, but it's just.
	I know, but I'm sorry.
	It's kind of like if someone's friends does something kind of like, I don't know.
	I'm just curious.
	Can we just let it go?
	No, not really.
	I hold on to grudges.
	Sorry, Sophie.
	Sorry.
	Okay, guys, last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Who are we going to raid on Twitch?
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	Let me just double-check everything here.
	We have, hold on.
	I'm going to, those of you on Twitch.
	Oh, you got a big dick.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hold on, guys.
	I don't know why this is off.
	Sorry, guys.
	Hold on.
	I'm trying to get to my stream manager here.
	I don't know what how did this get all tweaked?
	That's so weird.
	One sec, guys.
	One sec.
	One sec.
	it's not working um any anybody want a final thought before while i'm trying to get this thing figured out Anybody?
	Vegas, quick little 30-second Vegas story.
	I'm just doing a little tech thing right here.
	I don't know why it's not working.
	They put her dirty pussy girl.
	Everyone.
	Who's Dirty Pussy?
	Remember, I was at the table and she spread her legs and then wafted her dress and then the stench came out.
	Oh, God.
	No, I was not.
	Yeah.
	Post-day club.
	Didn't go shower.
	Went straight to the day club.
	She smelled herself.
	And I'm sure she's kind of gross.
	That's it.
	I think everybody should subscribe to Anissa's OnlyFans.
	Yes, please.
	Disavow.
	Can I please plug her?
	Please disavow.
	Shout out to Boy Toy.
	Appreciate you.
	Disavow.
	Okay.
	Well, it's not working, so I don't know why I'm not able to do this thing on Twitch.
	So unfortunately, in Twitch, we're not going to be able to raid anybody.
	Do you know if there's a way, like, can I just do Raid, who's, hold on, let me, sorry guys, I'll I'll get this figured out real quick.
	Who's live on Twitch?
	Guys in Twitch chat, are you able to just type slash raid and name?
	Okay, I'll just do that.
	Who's live?
	oh there's not really here we'll do uh frosted domes He's playing World of Warcraft Hardcore, I think.
	So those of you on Twitch, thank you for tuning in on Twitch.
	I'm going to go raid a World of Warcraft, GigaChad, Frost Adamas.
	Okay.
	Let's see if that works.
	Okay, got it.
	Cool.
	Okay, guys.
	So thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Thank you to the panel.
	Any women who want to be on the show, DM out, whatever.
	We will be live again Sunday.
	These next few panels, I think, are going to be pretty stacked.
	So be sure to tune in 5 p.m. Pacific.
	And let me get that raid going.
	Okay, I'm raiding now.
	Thanks again, guys, 07s in the chat for, let me just see.
	Did it raid?
	I think it raided.
	Okay.
	07s in the chat, guys.
	We will see you next time.
	Good night.
	See you later.

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