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Sept. 8, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Candace Owens DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! | Dating Talk #98

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And yeah, so we had a false start there.
So we got, I'm a little befuddled there.
Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves one more time.
So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
Go ahead.
My name is Azalea.
I'm 31 and I'm a flight attendant and content creator.
What kind of content do you Twitch streaming, OnlyFans?
And yeah.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Lexi.
I am 22 years old and I'm a full-time sex worker.
Okay.
And when you say sex worker, what do you mean?
I do content creating on OnlyFans as well as stripping at strip clubs.
And I work as a legal courtesan in Nevada.
A courtesy.
Meaning a legal prostitute.
Okay.
So is there, have you ever been to a court?
Not like for criminal reasons, but like a.
Have you ever been?
You know what I meant.
No, no, no, but like courtesan.
You know.
I mean, there's still kings out there that have a court.
So you could like the Philippines, do they have a king?
Do you know?
I don't think they're still.
There's some kings out there.
There's the king of Sweden, king of.
So like an actual court.
Courtesan.
Okay, all right.
She's a courtesan, folks.
Okay.
What about her?
A legal prostitute.
That's the term for it.
Okay.
Hi, my name is Pixie.
I'm 24 years old and I stream politics on Twitch.
All right.
Welcome back.
I'm Essie.
I'm 24.
I have two jobs.
My passion is social media management and then I do OnlyFans as well.
Hey there, I'm Olivia Bentley and I am an intimacy coach.
I am a legal sex worker and I am an OnlyFans content creator.
Did you say age?
46.
46, okay, got it.
Hi, I'm Tara.
I'm 22 years old and I'm an EEG technician and research assistant in the field of clinical neuroscience.
I'm Lily.
I'm 23 years old and I'm a couple things.
I'm a student at Belmont.
I'm graduating soon and I'm a personal trainer and my goal is to be a worship artist.
Gotta make money though.
I am Candace Owens.
I'm a wife.
I'm a mother at first.
And I also obviously have a political podcast, documentary filmmaker, and I just create a ton of content regarding what's going on in the media landscape.
Sweet.
And you have tomorrow a documentary coming soon.
Yes.
Convicting a murderer.
Very exciting.
What time does it drop?
You can watch it live on X tomorrow night, so we're super excited about that.
It also will be available on Daily Wire Plus.
The first two episodes will be free.
And yeah, it's jumping into kind of building on Netflix made making a murderer.
Made it seem as if Stephen Avery was guilty.
I don't know if you guys watched that.
It was very, everyone was obsessed with this idea that the justice system got it wrong.
We kind of went in, re-examined the case, and created Convicting a Murderer, which is a 10-part series, first docuseries I think we've ever done at the Daily Wire.
Extremely proud of it.
It's apolitical, first and foremost, and it's, you know, it's been a labor of love.
So I'm super excited to bring it to everybody and to change people's minds about what they thought they originally knew about the case.
So, yeah.
And you went, if I, you went boots on the ground in, what is it, Manitowalk County?
I went to Stephen Avery's junkyard.
Yep.
And yeah, I like to get my hands dirty in terms of really understanding what's going on and talking to people in the town and seeing how they're impacted.
Because for us, we scroll through our cell phones aimlessly and we comment on these cases, but real lives are impacted when something goes viral, and especially when something goes viral and produces the wrong answer, lives can be destroyed.
And in this particular circumstance, you have a man and his nephew that are in prison, and they get love letters, and they've got fiancés and adoring fans and people writing songs about them.
And that's all because Netflix was able to produce a docu-series and people believe that everything they watch is real.
And so I'm really interested in dissecting the deceptive media narrative in a bunch of different circumstances.
Just, you know, what they're feeding people, what people think is the norm, what people think will bring them happiness, what people think is true.
And so that's kind of been my shtick, so to speak, for the last 10 years.
I remember seeing Making a Murder when it came out.
I think it was 2015.
Correct.
And then they came out with like a part two a couple years later.
And basically, my understanding is your documentary is saying, nah, he did that shit.
Is that about?
And that's the most eloquent way to put it.
I mean, there's obviously you would go into some details and you've reanalyzed the court footage and the documents.
Yeah, just showing people what they didn't want you to see, essentially.
Because when people decide in a narrative, the media gets fully behind it.
It's a full court effort.
It's supported by the usual pundits and suspects.
Alec Baldwin got behind the Stephen Avery Innocent Train.
Nobody thought about the woman who actually was killed and murdered.
Trevor Noah got behind it.
You know, I kind of say anything that goes from Netflix to Alec Baldwin to Trevor Noah, you should immediately have your radar up and just go, am I hearing the truth or am I listening to propaganda?
And I'm fascinated by the impact of propaganda.
I've been impacted by propaganda.
I'm obviously a person that started with liberal tendencies.
I think everyone knows that part of my story.
I was left-leaning, so to speak.
And now I'm super conservative.
So it's right on par with everything that I do and everything that I've learned in my life about not just accepting what the media is trying to spoon feed you.
One question.
And I don't know if you want to save some of this for what's in the actual documentary, but what would you say is like the most egregious thing making a murderer did that they just either something that was deceptive or something that was omitted if there's one thing that was just the biggest smoking gun?
Yeah, well, I think I can definitely tell you this because this will be within the next 24 hours people will be able to see this.
But just skipping over who he was before he, they believed, was wrongly convicted of this murder.
People tend to tell you who they are early on.
And a person that's torturing animals and cats and dogs and, you know, in a relationship that is with a minor who's crying and talking about that.
You know, he just had a very long, thick packet of crimes that they decided not to mention or to entirely diminish and make it seem like, oh, that was nothing.
Yeah, so what?
He threw a cat in the fire and doused it in gasoline, the family pet.
Not normal behavior, not something that we do when we have a couple of drinks.
And I think that was kind of the most egregious thing, really unpacking everything that they chose to leave out about who he was.
Can I make a pitch to you and to the Daily Wire for the next documentary?
Can you guys look into the Tiger King?
Could you guys maybe put Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles on there?
Oh my God, Matt Walsh and the Tiger King needs to happen.
I'm fully behind you on this pitch.
Yes.
I will bring this to the right people who can make the right decisions.
Please, can I get like a little special thanks?
Matt Walsh and the Tiger King is irresistible.
Do you think that would be Matt Walsh would be the best Daily Wire to tackle the there's just something about the fact that Matt's a cat and he always kind of gives you the impression that he doesn't want to be there and he just has to kind of lecture us all.
Like he's like the classic dad.
Right, right.
But I just find him to be so funny, even when he's not trying to be funny.
Okay.
Yeah.
Nice.
Cool.
Well, we'll go around the table once more.
So what is your, everybody's current relationship status?
So are you single?
Are you in a talking stage situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule?
Are you in whatever, maybe?
So if you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's your longest relationship?
Starting with you, go ahead.
I'm in a relationship.
I have been for about a year and a half.
And my longest relationship is two years.
Okay.
I am single.
And my longest relationship was probably about four years.
How long have you been single?
I've been single for about, I want to say a year now.
Okay.
I'm single.
My longest relationship was like around three to four years.
And I've been single since like February around there.
Okay.
I'm single.
I've been single for six years almost now.
So.
Since you were pretty much 18, you've been single?
Right.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Did you have like a high school boyfriend or anything like that?
Yeah, I think I dated two guys in high school, but it was very at the same time?
No, no.
Oh, separately, okay.
Okay, gotcha.
What about you?
So I just got out of a relationship of six months with a federal agent, and I am single, ready to mingle.
Federal agent?
Yeah.
CIA?
FBI?
Coast Guard.
Oh, wait, that's not a never mind. Federal agent down in Texas.
So, yeah.
Got it.
And what's your longest relationship you've ever had?
I would say seven years.
Seven years.
Were you married or?
I was.
Okay, gotcha.
All right.
I'm currently single.
My longest relationship was a little over a year, and I've been single for about one year.
I just started talking to somebody a couple weeks ago, but I guess I'm single.
And my longest relationship was about three years.
Wait, sorry, you just started talking to somebody, but you're...
I've been single since February 2022.
And so this is, it's really fresh.
Okay.
I would still consider myself single.
It's early on.
Okay.
Candace.
I'm married.
I'm married.
Third child on the way.
Third child will be here in 10 weeks.
Oh, you're pregnant right now?
Yes.
Are you kidding me?
Very pregnant right now.
Okay.
That's good of you not to assume, right?
Yeah, you might get in trouble.
Yeah, I don't want to get into any trouble.
You're how far along?
30 weeks.
30.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
Any thoughts on that?
Is it a boy?
Thoughts on whether it's a boy?
No, I have a biological understanding that it's a boy.
Okay.
No, I didn't mean that that was.
Take the thoughts out of it, yeah.
It's definitely a boy.
And I have one boy already at home who's two, and I have a little girl that's one.
So we're on the back to the bottom.
I've basically been pregnant for three years, so this is kind of my permanent state at the moment.
Yeah, congrats.
And it's certainly impressive that you still are working like crazy.
Yeah, well, otherwise you'll just drive yourself crazy.
Sweet.
And how long have you been married for?
Four years.
Four years.
Gotcha.
Okay.
And you said earlier on that you used to be kind of left-leaning or super left-leaning.
Okay.
Yeah.
Which I think is free.
No, no, there's no old photos that are going to surface of me in a pussy hat screaming about aborting my children.
I'm safe in that regard.
But I would say I was definitely on the left, held liberal perspectives, which I think is actually really normal when you're young.
I think when you're young, you kind of associate liberalism with freedom.
And you're like, well, I mean, even the word sounds better to be a liberal than to be a conservative.
So I think that's why they have that quote that if you're not a liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart.
If you're not a conservative when you're older, you don't have a brain.
So it turns out I had a heart and I do have a brain.
So now I'm a conservative.
But I'm actually happy that I used to be a liberal because I think I understand why people gravitate toward it.
And it helps me better able to communicate to people because I can understand where they're at.
Got it.
And since we I feel like politics is sort of related to dating because obviously you want, I assume most people want to date and partner with someone who has shared values.
So let's go around the table.
What's everybody's politics?
Would you consider yourself, let's say, liberal, moderate, conservative, apolitical?
I mean, I guess I would have liberal stances or what people would call liberal stances.
I don't like to call myself a liberal, but that would be where I guess you would put me.
Progressive would be a good word for it.
Yeah.
I guess liberal.
Okay.
Or liberal.
I consider myself a progressive.
Okay.
I would say I'm an independent word.
It's like in between, but kind of more so leaning right, just based off of how I was raised.
How were you raised?
Super conservative, super religious.
Okay.
So maybe moderate politically?
Are there some things you're a bit more progressive on?
Other things you're a bit more conservative on?
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
So when I started out in my early 20s, I can relate to Candace.
I was a little bit more on the left.
And then as time has gone on and I've worked real jobs and I've been out in the real world, I'm more to the right.
I am independent and I don't like our two-party system.
I think it's failed.
But I would say I lean more to the right.
Okay.
I was raised very liberal, but I found myself becoming more conservative, especially over the past three years.
But I wouldn't fully call myself a conservative yet.
I would just say I'm still centrist.
It's a good place to be.
Same, I used to be pretty liberal, but I am very, very conservative.
Oh, you already answered.
Okay.
Okay, cool.
All right.
So I have a first question here.
So I'm trying to, hold on.
I'm seeing where I want to start here.
Actually, wait, we had one chat come in.
I'll just read it while we have it.
Goodness boy.
Thank you for being on the show, Candace, but the world is effed.
Can already tell from the panel that your views will not change their outlook.
Never say never.
Brian, you could be an amazing psyopper just saying.
I've had a couple accusations that this show is a psyop.
By the CIA, believe it or not.
I've had a couple.
If you have any show, that is an accusation that you get.
Have you had a picture of that?
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Candace Owens shows a psyop.
By who, though?
Who is psyoping?
Okay, I don't know.
But goodest boy.
Thank you very much for that.
And then we had a couple.
We had this one.
Can you boost the audio line?
Dear Candace, what are your thoughts on Proverbs 2119?
Better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
So, 777...
7 Decillion, 777, no nillion, 770.
7 octillion, 777.
He's just kind of joking.
770.
The TTS voice will read anything.
7 quadrillion, 7,700.
Thank you, 7 Deadly Simpsons.
It's almost, I think it's almost up.
777,777.
Welcome to the whatever podcast.
So your thoughts on Proverbs 21, 19?
Yeah, I like that we just jumped right into the Bible.
That's awesome.
Yeah, there you go.
I would say that, yeah, you should aspire to marry the right person, definitely.
Okay.
Without question, you should aspire to marry the right person.
And part of that is making sure that when you're dating, you're dating somebody of value.
And that also, when you're considering looking for someone of value, you also take a second to measure yourself and see if you are a person of value that's worthy of marrying.
Because I think people forget that part.
And that's almost the most important part.
Got it.
So recently a video went pretty viral on the internet.
And Candace, you actually tweeted about it.
Something about Shashuka.
I don't know if I'm saying that right.
So Nick, if you can pull up the video, we're going to just have the panel react to it.
And then before you go full screen on that, so Matt Walsh posted it, and I saw this everywhere.
I saw it yesterday.
Her life doesn't revolve around her family and kids.
So instead, it revolves around TV shows and pop stars.
Worst of all, she's too stupid to realize how depressing this is.
And then Candace, quote, X'd it, quote, tweeted.
I don't know anymore.
Okay, quote X'd it.
This is what this is what was future.
Wait, this is what was what a future.
This is what a future depression, Xannex, and wine combo nights alone looks like.
But hey, the Shashuka.
It's going to be amazing.
So let's play the video, Nick.
If you can go full screen on it, and then we'll get the panel's reaction.
I'm 29 and single, and I don't have kids yet.
Here's what your Saturday morning looks like when you're single at 29 and you don't have a kid running around the house.
I didn't rise from my bed until 10.15.
Every time I thought, I should probably get up and do something.
I thought, why?
Nobody's making me.
I'm not missing out on anything.
I went to Beyoncé last night and I didn't get home until 1 a.m.
And I danced and drank my little heart out and I didn't pay a babysitter to watch my kids as I did that.
And I woke up a tad hungover this morning, which is probably why I was in bed for so long.
And I was just scrolling on my phone and I saw a picture of Shakshuka and I thought, you know, it sounds really good.
Maybe I'm going to learn how to make Shakshuka today.
Because I have no plans and I don't have kids and I don't have a husband and I don't have errands to run.
I can go to the grocery store and learn how to make Shakshuka.
So that's on my agenda today.
Also on my agenda, probably a rewatch of some Real House Eyes of New York.
I'm also doing a rewatch of Normal People on Hulu, which is really spicy and I highly recommend.
Sirly, I'm into this documentary on Netflix about blue zone countries.
So I've got a pretty stacked day.
Anyway, I say all this to say, whenever I'm hard on myself about why I'm not married and I don't have kids and I should be further along at 29, almost 30, I wouldn't want to do anything else this Saturday.
And I know that you can do all these things when you have kids and you're married and I understand.
But the effortlessness and ease of my life, just kind of focusing on myself and the shack shook I want to make or the Beyoncé concert I want to go to really pays off when I'm hard on myself for not being where society tells me I should be in life.
I thought I thought it was going to be really her going, shut, shot, shot.
So why do you guys think that this video went kind of crazy viral and what's the analysis here?
I mean, it went crazy viral because Matt Walsh tweeted it.
Let's be real.
That would have just gone into the ethosphere on TikTok and no one would have talked about it had he not picked that up and tweeted it.
Well, was Matt?
I don't know if Matt Walsh was like the first person.
Oh, was he really?
Okay, I didn't know that.
But I guess my, what's interesting to me is that this woman has actually even said, you know, she gives herself a hard time.
She wants to be married.
She wants to have children.
So I don't think that it's right to demonize her and act like she's going to have a depressing life when she just hasn't found the right person because clearly she wants those things and she's trying to make herself feel better and other people in that community feel better about not being that far along.
Because like you said, you wanted people to settle down with the right person, take their time, figure out if that's the right person.
So just because she's 29, you're saying that it's like too late for her and she's going to be doing Xanax and drinking wine at night because she hasn't reached that point.
I didn't say that.
That's not what my tweet said.
That's not what my tweet.
You said the future.
Yeah.
Right.
Because she's obviously a narcissist, right?
Why is she first and foremost?
Let's not, let's not pretend this is one video that she made.
It's her brand on TikTok.
It's her brand on social media.
She talks about these are this community known as dinks.
We're happy and we're childless.
She talks about how great it is to be childless.
So she has developed a, she's a social media influencer that talks about childlessness.
So let's not pretend this is one woman making a video who just said, oh, I had a great Saturday.
There's absolutely no reason if you had a great Saturday at 29 years old and you learned to make shashuka and you slept in at 11 until 1115 or 1015, whatever she said, that you need to bring up children.
There's absolutely no reason.
You just say, here's what I did today.
I laid in all day.
I did this.
I did that.
The fact that she has to correlate it to saying, and this somehow makes me better than people that have children is the problem.
She started, she literally goes on to talk about not having children.
It wasn't necessary in this video.
So it's not like people are just shaming single women on the internet.
You could go on right now and talk about what you've done all day.
And there's no reason to bring up, but, you know, having a child or not.
She's actually doing the shaming, and now we're trying to pretend that she's the victim.
She's not.
She has a brand where she talks about childlessness and she talks about leaning into selfishness and all the things that are amazing about not having children.
Again, this is not the first video that she's produced.
So the reason why, and if you're a man watching this, don't marry this woman, she's basically telling you she's selfish.
She's telling you she's a narcissist.
Everything she says is about me, me, me, me.
Even if you're single, you don't have to make your whole day revolve around you.
You don't have to.
You can get up in the morning.
You can go help others.
You can do other things.
You can say, now that I have free time as a single woman, I can go dedicate time to the church.
I can sing.
I can do this.
I can help people find God.
That particular woman that you just looked at is a selfish bitch and men shouldn't, shouldn't men should not marry her.
That's my personal opinion.
You want to be in the middle of the morning?
Yes, I wanted to answer your question real quick as to, you said why it went viral.
I think it went viral because it's like nowadays, it's like it's relatable in our day and age.
You know what I mean?
Like 22, 23 years old.
I don't know how old this girl is, but like 29 or whatever.
But in my day and age, like it's relatable to be like, haha, we don't got kids.
Like them kids.
You know what I mean?
It's like, I'm glad you're admitting that.
It's like that.
I'm glad you're admitting that.
It's like a term that people use, you know what I mean?
And it's like, it's just relatable.
Like, that's why it gets so many views is what, to answer your question.
I think that's really honest of you to say that.
You wanted to come in and go to the house?
I love them kids.
Yeah.
No, I said what they say.
Yeah, but you're admitting that she's starting the fight.
You're looking at people that are moms that are trying to get away from the people.
When I'm with my kids, I don't post videos and say, F them single chicks with no kids.
Right.
She did the baiting, okay, and we responded.
That's it.
I don't know.
Hold on, let's just let you go ahead and go.
The first thing I noticed about the video was that she was putting people with kids down.
It'd be fine if she was talking about how her day was and sporting it differently, but it seemed like almost immediately from the beginning of the video that she was belittling people with kids, which I think is like the part of the problem.
Pixie, go ahead.
Yeah, no, I think this is like up to interpretation because personally when I saw that video, my interpretation was like, oh, she's putting herself down because she's saying like, oh, you know, when I tell myself, why am I not further along in life?
You know, it's okay because at least I'm enjoying these things.
So I could definitely see, like, depending on how you're looking at it or if you have further context, why you would think she's putting kids down.
But when I saw that video by itself, I was thinking like people are kind of going a little bit overboard in the sense that she says she's being harsh on herself.
She doesn't have children.
And these are just the things that have made her happy today.
And I don't think that by itself without additional context is inherently wrong.
Anybody else?
Tara, did you?
Yeah.
Did I say it right this time?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know the background of what other types of content and messaging she puts out, but just from that video alone, I don't think she ever, to me, I never got the impression she was shaming people that did, that women that were married had kids.
It felt like she felt bad that she wasn't already there and she was just trying to be optimistic about it.
And so I think it sounded more like her content was about making women who are childless and not married yet and are approaching the end of their reproductive years to like look on the bright side.
But I really, and I'm the, all my friends know I'm like so eager and ready for like marriaging kids.
But I really honestly just didn't get that impression from that video alone that it was she was in any way.
So when she was talking about I got to go to a Beyoncé concert and I didn't have to pay for a babysitter.
You don't think that is political?
It's so selfish of her to say that.
Yeah, and she was being rude.
And if it was flipped and a conservative woman with children said the opposite of that to single women, it would blow up.
It would blow up.
And they would say, how rude of you to, why are you even mentioning single women?
Just say your hat, you had a good day with your kids.
That's fine.
If I say I wake up, went to the apartments, my kids did that.
Okay, chill.
Why are you correlating it to children?
It doesn't, you know, it doesn't make any sense.
So, and like I said, she's produced more content.
So that the context is important.
She's leaned into this as a brand and as an influencer.
So, you know, then you're going to expect people that influence people to have families to respond, Matt Walsh being among them, me being among them.
And I do would like to, again, warn men against marrying a woman who holds those sorts of perspectives because she's ultimately just selfish.
Like I said, you can have a day and you can be single.
You don't have to dedicate your whole day to me, me, me, me, narcissist, me.
Here's what I did for me.
It's just not a woman that you want to marry full stop for leaving apart, leaving the kids totally separate from it.
I wouldn't marry a woman like that.
Go ahead, you want to marry me.
And all I'm saying is like, it is.
It's sad, but it's crazy that like it's a trend.
You know what I mean?
Like that's why they're getting so many views on TikTok or Instagram or whatever they're posting these things on.
It's like, it's a trend.
And yeah, you know, it's crazy.
Just a show of hands, who here wants to have kids one day?
More, yeah.
It's my third, but I love.
Besides Candace, does anyone here have kids?
I do.
You got kids?
How many do you got?
I have a son.
He's 21.
Okay, gotcha.
He's perfect.
And I'm good.
Okay.
But one thing I noticed, a trend, like, I agree that it's a trend.
And she's doing that to brand herself and go viral and get a lot of attention and maybe monetize that.
When I talk with other girls and they're younger and I'll say, are you married?
Are you planning on having children?
Sometimes that's a hot button for them.
And it's maybe perhaps these kind of trends are like it's a rebellious thing because sometimes it's expected for people to get married out of the gate and have children and that kind of traditional lifestyle.
If it's an expectation that parents have that they put on their children and younger generations aren't having it, especially these days when it's so hard to, I mean, it's so expensive, people are having to work a lot, you know, I mean, that's just one thing I've noticed.
A little pushback on that question, even when I ask it.
And I love children.
Gotcha.
And did, I don't recall if you had a response to Candice or?
I mean, I was just going to say the opposite content does exist.
And I would say that it's more prevalent.
And usually there's more of it than there is the opposite.
And whatever community she wants to represent, I think that somebody that is single, and obviously, like I said, she closed out the video saying, I know that women that are married and have children can do all of these things as well, but this is what makes me feel better because I'm not that far along.
And I think if she's giving comfort and solace to women that want to be in that position and aren't quite there yet, whether you took it that way or not, I think that that's okay.
I don't think anything that she did in there was meant to be charitable.
It was all about her.
So, I mean, just a different interpretation, but I'm just happy that you were honest and admitted that it is becoming trendy to put down women.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And but by the way, speaking to what you were saying about it being an act of rebellion, I used to be a feminist.
If you had found me, you're 22, right?
Found me at 22, I would have probably had the same perspectives as you about family.
It is something different, and you will realize that when it's someone that's 29 years old and saying that, it's not the same intention.
It's not, I'm young, I'm free, I'm wild, and I think I'm going to live forever.
What she's doing is something different.
And also, just recently today, actually, Emma Rodrigo Tchaikowski came out with a quote about, I think getting divorced before you're 30 is chic.
That's something else.
And that a woman at 22, a woman at 29 saying something that is appropriate when you're at 21 or 22, it's a little different.
And she knew what she was doing.
It was intentional.
And like I said, if you look into our content, this is not some innocent woman that was posting just to boost herself up on the internet.
She's trying to get clicks.
She's trying to get views.
And she got them, for better or for worse.
I want to come back a little bit now to people's relationship status.
So, or not even so much relationship status, but perhaps it's related.
So both of you do courtships.
Sex courtesan.
Courtesan.
That's an old-fashioned historical term.
Back in the day, courtesans were able to own property, whereas the little miss didn't have that ability the way the laws were written back in the day of ancient years.
Like the wife was toddlerized.
And then the courtesans were able to go and attend the meetings with the politicians and the business owners and actually state their case and be influential.
But, okay, so I'm just trying to differentiate here because courtesan, that's when I think of it, I think of people who are in the court typically.
There's a kingdom.
There's a kingdom.
There's a monarch.
And there's, you know, maybe some of them are dukes, maybe.
They're from that era.
Viceroys.
There's some viceroys in there.
There's a couple of, I don't know, some other terms.
Lords.
Lords, ladies.
But, okay, so you guys work in Nevada, is that correct?
What's the place that you guys work at?
There's different brothels.
The Bunny Ranch, I've been at the Bunny Ranch.
We've both been there.
We've both worked at the world famous Mustang.
Okay.
Those are more normal.
Oh, so you guys both don't work there, or you don't work there anymore.
Do you still work at the, what is it called, the Bunny Ranch?
So, hold on.
We're independent contractors.
Take your time.
So like when we're on tour, we contract ourselves out, you know, with whomever.
Okay.
So that might change.
Sure.
So a couple questions here.
So I don't know, maybe it's changed throughout the course of your life, but how many maybe you see men, maybe you see women, how many per day or per week?
Do you call them clients?
What do you call them?
Tricks?
Clients, friends.
No, not tricks.
Marks?
No.
No?
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't know the terminology.
I'm not sure.
I mean, some providers may, but they're not maybe the most respectful.
I like to deem them friends as soon as I get to know them.
Gotcha.
And we are like friends.
Sometimes we're like married couples, but it can be, it depends.
Anywhere from like two just three a day, that's a lot.
But maybe five a week.
Okay.
What about you?
So anywhere between two to three.
Oh, sorry.
It's fine.
Anywhere between two to three.
Okay.
And sometimes four or five, depending on per day.
Yes.
Do you know what the most is in one day?
Like, was there one day of it?
Does it always fluctuate?
Okay.
Is there ever like a ten, a dozen?
I don't, yes.
I mean, yeah, it can happen.
I don't personally.
When coming off the heels of Dennis Hoff's cat house, there were, I mean, nickname like hide, Okay, cool.
Okay, we're fine.
We're fine.
Okay, all right.
All right, welcome to the whatever podcast.
Always something.
Where were we?
I was mentioning after Dennis Hoff did his famous show, Cat House on HBO, he drummed up a ton of mainstream media.
He got one of the girls on Oprah and whatnot.
There were so many people coming in.
Those were the days where maybe you'd be seeing like 10 clients, 12 clients in a day.
Okay.
That was a lot.
Gotcha.
And for you two, has being involved in prostitution, has it had any impact when it comes to your romantic prospects?
Yeah.
I've got to be able to be myself and fully disclose, and I need that person to accept me for who I am.
Bottom line.
I have had no issues doing being a legal prostitute.
I've had no issues being a legal prostitute just because I haven't been dating anybody within this time for that year.
As for everything else, it's hard dating.
I've ran into a lot of insecure men.
Typically, those are the ones that can't handle me doing what I do for work.
And just a point of clarification.
So you've run into a lot of insecure men, and are they insecure because they don't want to date you because you are currently active as a prostitute?
No, I'm saying I've never dated a guy while working at the brothels at the Bunny Ranch or the Mustang Ranch.
But I've been dating guys between me doing camming and dancing.
So that's what I'm talking about.
But you mentioned insecure men.
What specifically are they doing that makes them insecure?
Is it because they're insecure about your work?
Yes.
Like I've had exes in the past that would cry about me going to work to dance at the strip club.
I've had guys try to control like what I wear and say that I can't work at strip clubs or do OnlyFans or whatever.
Oh, sorry, was there more?
No, and that's.
Okay.
Is it because they're insecure or is that just them having boundaries and standards?
I feel like that's, I mean, you knew what I was doing before you met me, right?
So all of them knew exactly what I was doing before they met me, which brings it to, yeah, if you have a problem with what I do before you meet me, maybe don't get involved with me.
Sure.
I'm very open.
I'm a very honest person.
You knew what I was doing before you met me.
If you don't like it, there's the door.
Nobody's making you stay.
I think, too, gentlemen love the idea of dating us.
And then once we go to do it, then it's not really realistic.
Right.
It's almost like fetish.
Fetish.
Fetish.
Right.
It's like, oh, it's so hot.
I have a girlfriend that does this, that, and the other.
And then when they're really at home and I'm like on OnlyFans or on a call with a client or whatever, they're like, no, this is weird.
This is weird.
You know what I mean?
And that, I think it's an insecurity, yes.
Because you knew where I was coming from, you knew what I was doing, and you weren't okay with it.
Then you should have made.
Got a point.
I mean, I suppose you have a point that, I mean, if they knew going in that this is what you do for work, you're a stripper, or you're doing OnlyFans or you're doing sex work, then I think it's a little bit of a stretch that all of a sudden, a couple weeks or months into a relationship, then they start changing up.
But I think to differentiate the conversation a little bit, for example, like let's say, and I don't know if you mentioned this, when it comes to like posting, perhaps revealing photos online, not intended for commercial, like they're just on Instagram, but they're not monetizing it.
They're not content creators.
Or like, for example, if they go to the bar, club, party a lot, would you consider it insecure if a guy, maybe three months into a relationship, at that point he started having issues with you or with another girl?
Hey, he starts saying, hey, I don't want you to go in the clubs and bars anymore.
And he already knew?
You're saying he already knew this?
Well, like, I assume he knew.
Yeah.
So if he already knew, then...
Well, I guess my framing is prior to dating, he had no problem with you or with another girl engaging in what he considered to be single behavior at the time.
But once you or whoever it is started dating, he wanted his partner to act in a way that he thought was more consistent with being in a relationship.
So perhaps it's okay to go out to me personally.
Even if I'm single, I'm not really interested in going to bars, clubs.
And I don't post revealing photos online.
But I don't know.
I feel like that men don't do that too much.
I mean, there's certainly men that post like whatever.
Anyways, but once you get into the relationship, there's expectations that certain things change.
Well, with the sex worker.
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm just differentiating when it comes to like posting revealing photos.
If it's not for your work, then yeah, like I can.
I can separate my work identity from my personal life.
Go ahead, you wanted to come in?
I think, I mean, if we're talking, somebody that's not a sex worker and is posting revealing photos, I think that that's something that you talk about before getting into a relationship with somebody.
Because then if you're talking, you know, and a guy is like, you know, my expectations for my girlfriend are XYZ.
I don't like these kind of revealing photos for my girlfriend.
I don't like her, like you going out all the time.
And then I think from then on, that's when you decide whether to make a relationship serious or not.
because if she doesn't want to restrict where she's going or what she's doing or the type of photos she's posting for him, then that's her decision.
But I don't think that it's wrong for a partner to ask her, you know, hey, if we're in a relationship, this is what I expect.
And then, you know, she makes the decision, yes, I will do those things or no.
But do you think that so early on, like say on the first date or second date, that there's enough of a relationship established for a guy to have enough, I don't know if leverage is the right word, but like enough pull or influence to be like, hey, listen, I don't want you doing this anymore.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
But that's the same thing.
I mean, she just said that you should early on, you should say.
Not date number one.
Date number one.
Not date number one.
Not date number two.
Maybe date number three.
I think there's two things going on here.
I think you can date someone and then as a relationship evolves and changes, some things that you thought you were comfortable with, you're like, hey, I'm not really comfortable with this anymore.
I think that's reasonable.
But I think that's very distinct than going into a relationship thinking, oh, I don't like the fact that she posts this types of photos.
I'm going to make her stop.
You know, I'm going to change her, basically.
Because you're setting up, I think, everyone for disappointment.
You're setting up yourself, her.
There's a difference between going into something, having feelings change, talking from there, and intentionally trying to change before you even date, really.
I have a question.
If you ever fell in love with somebody, would you be willing to delete all of your stuff if they asked you?
Would I be?
Yes.
If you, as a sex worker and everything that you do, if you fell in love and you found someone and they asked you to stop?
So with that being said, I am currently single because of what I do for work.
I am very much so busy doing my work and I'm full throttle, like wanting to make money and capitalize off of this industry to the best of my ability and make it to the point where I can retire.
And then it's like, also making this much money and doing what I do for work, it puts me in a position to be able to meet the type of guys that I want to meet, right?
The higher end type of guys.
And maybe later on down the line, not anytime yet, I would be open to it.
If I find everything happens for a reason, you know, never say never, but like if I found Prince Charming or something one day and he didn't want me doing this anymore, like the, or I wouldn't be doing this anyways.
I want to retire from it at one point.
And then yeah, eventually, maybe.
And when you say high-end men, what do you mean by that?
Like high-value men?
Yes, high-value men.
Or men with a lot of money.
High value.
Okay.
I have a question for you two here.
So both of you do OnlyFans.
Having done OnlyFans, continuing to do OnlyFans, has it had any negative impacts on your dating prospects?
Does it make it harder to date?
Has it been maybe not an issue at all?
Some guys like it.
I've never had an issue with it, dating-wise.
No one has ever, because I'm very upfront too.
You know, first date, if this is what I do, if you don't like it, this is how I make my money.
Unless you're going to pay me the same amount of money I'm making, then I'm not going to stop supporting myself.
But yeah, I never really ran into issues.
But again, I don't do full pornographic content or anything like that.
So it probably is a little bit different for somebody on OnlyFans that does do that type of content.
But I personally have never ran into an issue.
My boyfriend at first was, you know, I told him and he was like, okay, well, if I'm going to date you, I have to be okay with this.
And that was that.
And it's never been an issue.
Sorry.
Sorry, I was asking a question.
What kind of content do you do on OnlyFans?
Mainly topless content.
Okay.
So you currently have a boyfriend?
Yes, I do.
Okay.
Just that's the extent of it.
Yes.
Okay.
What about you, Essie?
I've also never had an issue in my dating life.
I don't date that often, though.
Right, because you've been single for six years.
But it might not necessarily be related to that you're now doing OnlyFans.
Yeah.
I also don't do nudes on OnlyFans, so it's just like lingerie content.
Okay.
So I think that also maybe helps because I so yeah.
Okay.
Question here for Candace.
So what are your thoughts on OnlyFans sex work?
And do you believe that a woman doing OnlyFans or porn might have an impact on her future romantic prospects?
And if so, how and why?
I can repeat.
That was a lot, so let me know if you need me to repeat it anymore.
I talk about this extensively on my show.
I mean, the truth is that if you are going to engage in sex work, you are going to probably make a lot of money, especially if you're young.
You're on a very tight rope as you get older.
Your value goes down, and men are going to want women that are younger and available to them.
I'm talking about in terms of just making the person who will subscribe to your OnlyFans page.
You know, obviously, women, you're declining as you age.
And the truth is that high-value men don't want to date women that are sex workers or even women that aren't sex workers and lean into the whole talking about how sexy and are freely available on the internet for other men to see.
What we're talking about is biological proclivity.
What men are doing when they first say, it sounds amazing to date a stripper or to date a prostitute or to date a sex worker is there's this instinct to have sex.
It's going to be amazing when have sex all the time.
But then when they realize that actually a form of wanting to be in a relationship is feeling that there's a mystery to a woman, that there's something that's yours, there's something that's sacred, there's something that's powerful and beautiful that just you share.
And when they realize that they have to share that with other men, it completely diminishes the man.
A recent cultural example of that, obviously, is what's happening with Nina Agdahl.
She's not a sex worker by any means.
She just kind of said some sexy things on the internet about wanting cock and look at what I was not expecting that from Candace.
I'm quoting her directly, so this is purely academic.
Purely academic.
It's purely academic.
And look at what happened.
Now Logan has become the laughing stock of other men as they piece together everything that she's ever said that's overtly sexual.
And again, she's not a sex worker, but what happened is her value just completely plummeted because this thing that men need to feel.
And I don't want to say possession in a way that sounds bad because it's not bad.
It's actually really beautiful.
And I'm lucky and fortunate that I get to experience that in my marriage.
And it's something that women should strive toward.
Women that make those exchanges in their youth, I think that's sad, and I do feel bad for Nina Agdoll, is because she said a lot of those statements when she was really young.
She's probably your age.
And she had a camera and she said it and it lives forever.
And now every man that she dates is going to say Dylan Danis has made her available to everyone.
And I hope things work out between her and Logan.
But if you don't think that that's going to impact Logan or that it's not actively impacting him as a man, it is.
So with women, it's a trade-off.
First thing you said was, I make money, this is about money.
It's about money.
But when it comes down to marrying these women, men just don't want it.
And that's exactly why I said that in this industry, I'm single until I retire.
I don't, but it will still matter.
I don't plan on doing this or getting married or finding the love of my life until I retire, like truthfully.
And then after that, you see what happens to Nina Agdoll.
No, no, no.
And then after that, I will be honest and truthful with the person that I will be getting married to or whatever.
And it'll be up to him to accept that, right?
So now I'm just saying that men's natural proclivity is to not accept that because it brings them shame.
Men are biologically proud creatures.
I understand everybody can be like.
No, I know.
I'm just telling you what is happening and why people are talking about cultural events and the AGDAL thing.
And if you look at people like Emily Rodzkowski, she's obviously hot.
But this is a woman who's now trying to make divorce chic.
And I think that the understanding is in Hollywood is, you know, sleep with her and move on.
She's not marriage material.
Her husband, when he had her, cheated on her because they didn't have that thing.
She was, I feel like I've slept with the girl.
I've seen her naked so many times, right?
So there's nothing special about Sebastian Baer marrying her because we've all seen her naked.
There's nothing sacred in that relationship.
And I'm just speaking on telling you, you know, this is why women struggle to get married when they've made themselves available on OnlyFans because other men don't want to share.
They don't want to share their wife.
They maybe will share their girlfriend.
They might think it's funny to stripper for a little bit.
They might think, oh, this means I'm going to have sex 12 times a day.
But then when it gets down to just their biological instinct, it's actually quite embarrassing for them as a man because they can look up your girl and here she is, you know?
So that's what I think is happening.
Yeah, I'm just curious about your opinion on this because I've seen like a couple of people in like Red's Pills Paces, like Pates or people similar to that talking about how they should marry a young woman.
Would you agree or disagree that that might not be the most like rational course of action?
To marry a young woman?
What do you mean by that?
That I hear a lot of men talk about how a woman inherently loses value as she gets older.
And that's why they should seek out young women.
Well, I live in the South and a lot of people get married young and I think it's really beautiful and wonderful.
They preserve this sort of innocence.
I have people that work for me that want to get married at 22.
They drop out of school.
So I don't think there's anything wrong with marrying when you're young.
I'd have to see the full context of what they're talking about because I do think obviously the longer you wait and especially in this society that's creating this simulation that sexuality equates to freedom when it doesn't.
That what he might be suggesting is that the longer a woman runs free, the more partners that she's gathering and her worth is being diminished.
And I think that there is some veracity to that.
But if it's said in a way that sounds a little crass, like seek out younger women because they're not as used and I can see why people would be offended by it, but that might be underpinned by a little bit of logic.
So I'd have to see the clip in its entirety.
Yeah, the reason why I'm asking is because in general, I think men do have a biological proclivity.
I can't pronounce that correctly.
Proclivity.
You know, to seek out like youth and beauty.
But I also think when it comes to settle down, you want a mother who's going to be responsible and good towards her children.
So I think the idea that men seek out beauty is true.
But I also think men seek out a level of responsibility and maturity that only comes with age.
So I was just curious because of the other stuff I've heard from people.
And also it's like they, sex is just sex.
Like it's just sex.
Oh.
And just when you have a partner, you have an emotional connection with them.
And so like the guy on your last podcast, he was on here a few days ago.
He was saying how like men, for men, sex is just sex.
But like spending time with a woman and like buying her things and like going on trips with her is like different than having sex with just random people.
And that's why they were like in an open relationship or whatever.
Can I just have you scoot your mic that way a little bit?
Yeah, perfect.
I mean, I definitely wouldn't say that like swapping DNA is like just sex.
I mean, a man leaves a piece of himself inside of you.
But man, that's the way they think.
And like for women, we get attached to them emotionally having sex with them, which is more of a when women have a lot of partners, it is different.
It is worse in a way, and people don't want to admit that.
But because we are more emotional, there is an attachment.
It isn't just sex for women.
You know, I think women are damaged by those relationships.
Women like to think because of the social simulation that it can just be sex, it's whatever.
Non-committal, the only people that benefit from that lie are men.
It is not great to have sex and have a man not call you back.
It doesn't feel good.
It doesn't matter if a BuzzFeed article says it does.
I had a wonderful weekend and this is why I had sex and didn't worry about it.
You feel used, and especially, I would say, if you're not a sex worker and you're, you just, a man does that and never calls you back, and you don't even have money to show for it.
I think it diminishes your self-worth even more than your worth to a man.
The reason why I say sex is just sex is because in our line of work, we see it as transactional, right?
Especially when we're working.
And then at the end of the day, they go home to their wives or whatever, right?
And it's like emotionally, you're emotionally being there for them and taking care of them and doing all this out of the other.
So then sex clearly isn't just sex.
It's also emotional.
It can be.
It can be, yes.
But I was saying, according to the guy that he had on the last podcast, he said that for men, sex is just sex.
I kind of, sorry, I disagree with the idea that sex doesn't harm or casual sex wouldn't harm a man or does harm women or that sex is just sex.
I think a lot of people tell themselves that, but I think it can lead to a lifestyle of just like pure hedonism, whether you're like a man or a woman.
And that can be like dangerous because then you're losing sight of other things that you value or other aspects of life.
So I don't really think like, I think for some people that can be true, but I think for the majority of people, like there's a reason why a lot of people are only into monogamy or why that's been like the norm for a lot of cultures.
And I think most people are a little bit hardwired to kind of seek out those intimate relationships.
And I'm not saying it's impossible.
I'm just saying I think that's how most people are, where casual sex can't be harmful.
And I think it can definitely be harmful for men.
I want to be clear.
I'm saying that it's different for men and it's different for women, but I don't agree with the statement sex is just sex at all.
And it's natural to be like attracted to a lot of different people.
You know what I mean?
So it's like.
But that comes with self-control.
I think attraction is one thing and acting on those needs or wants by sleeping with multiple people.
I just, I don't understand that.
Did you want to come in?
I guess I don't.
What do you mean?
Not in response to her, but just the...
In general?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the idea that sex is just sex.
When I was younger, I definitely had a lot more, you know, like casual sexual relationships, not one-night stands or anything by that measure, more like situationship.
And as I got older, you know, my views on it kind of changed.
And, you know, you do feel differently when, like you were saying, it doesn't feel good to hook up with somebody and not have them call you back.
So I actually was celibate for about two years before I met my partner doing OnlyFans and everything else.
Yes.
I wasn't sleeping with anybody.
I like stuck to it very hard because I just didn't really like the feeling of sleeping with somebody and then getting an emotional attachment to them.
So I think that certain people, because everybody is different, I don't think that it's that black and white.
But I think to some people and to some women and to some men, casual sex really is just sex, whether they're leaving DNA or not.
I think that there are people that do actually feel that way because I've met women that are like that.
But for me, it is not that simple.
And I don't think that it's that simple for most women.
Can I raise a possibility just because it's something that I've sort of seen?
So I do think it's possible that for some people, sex may be detached from romantic emotions with that person, but I do think there may always still be an underlining part, an underlining psychological part there of at least an ego boost, at least some sort of like grab for validation, some sort of grab for emotional intimacy, even if you're telling yourself,
I'm just doing this because having casual sex is empowering and sex is just sex.
I think even in most of the cases where that's where people genuinely believe they're just having sex because it's sex, if they ask themselves a little further, why am I really doing this?
Is it just for, is it perhaps just, you know, to placate my ego or for some sort of male validation or for some sort of like intimacy or connection because maybe I'm not getting it romantically otherwise in a more like serious relationship, I am.
I would also press for that as a possibility, even in those cases of people who genuinely do think for themselves that it is, sex is just sex.
Well, I mean, I guess we can look to the people that do it professionally.
I mean, do you feel that there's some underlying male validation in your work or no?
I find it very meaningful.
I find it meaningful when couples come in and they want to work on something.
They're working on a goal.
Maybe he's got a mental block and we're working on that.
The gentleman that comes in that's having issues with erectile dysfunction and he's trying to troubleshoot that and we actually create success for him.
It's meaningful to me.
Wait, just one point of clarification.
So you're a sex therapist?
As sex workers, we're basically sex therapists.
I mean, I don't have a counseling degree.
I have a master's degree in education.
We have an article.
You recently kind of went viral.
Nick, can you pull up the article?
Like, New York Post.
Yeah.
New York Post, I'm a sex therapist.
I sleep with clients to save marriages.
Oh, my gosh.
I got to say that.
I stayed for this person.
I did see her crazy.
Did you reacted to this?
Almost did, but I'm here.
You're here now.
Nick, can you pull up the article really quick?
Yeah.
One more.
Sex therapist Olivia Bentley, wait, wait, takes a hands-on approach with her clients by sleeping with them.
I've saved marriages.
The Boise Idaho native told Kennedy News calling her work life-changing.
I get physically involved with the majority of the people I see.
I think that's part of the appeal.
The veteran sex worker who's spent 15 years in the industry claims that women have asked her to demonstrate sex acts on their husbands, while some wives grant their eager hubbies a hall pass to pay Bentley a visit.
Good times.
Yeah.
Is that pretty accurate?
I mean, so you save marriages by having sex with the husband?
I think the tablets went a little crazy.
New York Post is known to Yeah They really, you know, went wild with it.
But I do help a lot of couples that come in.
One right now is asking me to lend a hand and he's more of a beta and she'd like him to be more of an alpha and she wants me to work with him on being more just outwardly in control and aggressive in the bedroom.
Things like that.
There's a lot of different psychological needs and reasons why people would want to come and work with professional sex worker.
Sure.
Candace, it sounded like, seemed like maybe you had something.
I think it was the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.
It's so in the realm of like dragons and mythical creatures that it's mythological creatures.
It's hard to respond to the idea that she's saving marriages.
It's just there.
You're in disbelief.
I'm actually in utter disbelief that she is saving marriages.
Here's another example.
Sure.
So like, and this has been, there's multiple clients that do this, where the wife will not have sex anymore.
She went and said, look, you know, during the, when they were courting each other, she was down for sex.
She was a sexual person.
She was all about it.
Then, let's fast forward, they're married.
We're married now.
Contract solidified.
I don't want to have sex anymore.
Ooh, oral sex is gross.
Oh, that's demeaning if you're asking me to do that.
So you're not saving marriages.
You're helping people to keep up a farce that they are in a marriage.
Because at the very moment that you let someone else into your marriage, it's no longer a marriage.
No.
Yeah.
And these women have turned around and said, I will allow you to see a professional.
So they are not in a marriage.
That's so letting go.
Some of your wives are like dying from cancer and this, that, and the other.
If I'm dying from cancer, I might sleep with somebody else.
I swear to God.
And there are wives.
Hold on, just one at a time, please.
Candace, were you.
I just would like to make the point that at the very moment that you loan your spouse out, especially if you're dying of cancer so they can get, you know, get off, you're no longer in a marriage.
So it's just a farce.
It's like when you, it's a comical, you're pretending for people that you're in a marriage, that you're in a loving relationship.
That's not what a marriage is.
So to say that I help marriages, no, you help destroy marriages and they can go out and say that we're still married because what we've done is we've essentially said, you take care of this aspect of the marriage.
It's like saying you raise the kids, you have sex with him.
This isn't a marriage.
It's the whole thing is fake, right?
What do you think that they should do?
What do you think that they should work on their marriage together?
The union between a husband and a wife should work on their marriage together to fix it.
You don't bring out an outside person to sleep with your husband or your wife.
If she's saying, I'm not down for sex, then she might be down for a divorce.
I'm not going to outsource the sexuality.
I want to die from cancer.
And she wanted him, and she allowed him to do that because he needed to get off some way or something.
While she was dying of cancer, one of the last things on her mind was a real life counsel.
This is a real life.
Yeah, this was a real, I'm asking you.
Is that what he told you?
Yeah.
So his wife that's dying of cancer wanted him to come have sex with you?
Not with me.
From what I've heard, somebody told you that as a dying wish, my dying wife.
So how would you want to go have sex with a prostitute?
I saw it on TikTok.
I'm just going to call bullshit on that altogether.
No, I just don't know.
Because he does have dying of cancer.
Going through local.
People will literally bring their guys here.
Please bring them on the podcast.
I just want to say I've ever heard in my life.
There's a lot of crazy shit in the middle of the day.
There's marriage counseling where they can take you through sex therapy where you don't have to sleep with somebody else.
If it's about a woman not wanting to have sex anymore, what's the underlying reason?
Are hormones messed up so she's not wanting to be sexually active?
Is there not enough foreplay when they're having sex?
Like there's other avenues you can take for sex therapy.
Normal couples counseling.
Yes.
Real couples counseling.
Where you try to solve the problem and you release it and you don't just source it out to a prostitute.
Go ahead.
The cancer thing is crazy.
Yeah, it's just the most absurd thing.
The cancer thing is crazy.
But outside of that, I don't think that it's up to any of us what constitutes a marriage because every relationship is different.
The Bible says that.
If a husband, okay, but words have meaning.
But not everybody's religious.
Wait, hold on.
Is that a cross necklace?
Does it constitute like what do you mean?
Okay, really quickly.
Not everybody's related.
We're talking about religion really quick.
Okay, you have a cross necklace, but then your shirt says made in hell.
I'm a little confused.
Can you tell me that?
The stone is red, so it matched, you know.
Why are you wearing a cross on your neck?
Coordinating with your neck?
Because I don't see a cross as religious.
Okay.
I just like you don't see a marriage as religious.
Don't think that a marriage has a meaning.
This is why it's like we're out of stage, and people are like, What is a woman?
Because they just go, Well, we're going to call it a marriage, but we're going to sleep with other people.
We're going to bring in prostitutes.
We're going to outsource raising the kids where we're never going to have kids.
You're calling it a family.
It's not a family.
And this is what it is.
They just, the words have no meaning, right?
I'm wearing the cross.
Why?
I don't know.
I don't think of it as religious.
Okay, well, Jesus Christ died on the cross.
You think that.
That's what you think.
That's what you think.
So why are you wearing the cross?
Because I think it's true.
I think that the design is cute.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I grew up Catholic.
I was religious and I'm not anymore.
I don't have to believe in what you believe.
And I can say that if you're-I didn't say you had to, if I asked you a question, but you're tired of wearing the cross.
Okay, and you're saying that the religious aspect of marriage is the only thing that matters.
It's not because people don't follow what you believe.
Okay, I asked you why you're wearing the cross and you said because you thought it was cute.
Yeah, I'm glad we got an answer.
She's wearing the cross around her neck because she thinks it's cute.
I do.
Would you not religiously?
Do you still wear like a Star of David?
It's cute.
Like if it was cute, would you wear it?
I just mean like I'm asking that because I wonder.
Like my guess is that you would think that maybe you wouldn't wear a Star of David because you're like, oh, this is maybe like disrespectful to people who are.
Are you making the argument?
Maybe, I mean, no, I'm just a very good question.
I'm just saying.
I'm a devil's advocate here.
Secular argument.
Someone might just say that the cross is just maybe it's more aesthetically pleasing even for an atheist.
I don't know.
Sure, but libraries are all about having respect for cards.
So I'm just wondering if you're asking if you wear a yarmulka to you.
I think those are very important.
I'm just, I was raised Catholic and that's just a case.
Would you wear an ibamuka if you thought it was cute?
No, I wouldn't wear it.
I mean, a yarmulke is completely different than a cross that's been adopted in a dress.
You can buy a cross necklace anywhere.
There's symbols of a race.
The argument of why it's different basically would come down to like how Catholicism has been practiced versus Judaism in the sense that Catholics did use the cross symbol, tried to emplace it in indigenous populations, tried to spread it as much as possible.
And that's why in modern day, a lot of people think that's more okay because it was meant to be popularized.
It was meant to be a symbol that the masses should look up to and should see in general versus Jewish symbols.
Okay.
I would argue didn't go through that.
I think we're kind of derailing a little bit.
You wanted to come in and go.
Yes.
So back to the interesting brothel stories.
I wanted to say we do actually have men coming in with their parents.
Yeah, this actually happens.
So I had a time where a guy came in with both his parents all the way from England to come to the Mustang Ranch because he wanted to lose his virginity.
Wait, is this really where we left off?
I'm just not following the relationship for him to have sex with legal prostitutes.
Hurrah!
I want your stance on that because what's your stance on that?
And if I may, and wait, now can I just say, like, for me, I enjoyed the experience.
Sex workers, not prostitutes.
Yeah, actually, she said she said prostitute.
Yeah, because they keep it.
That's because they keep it.
Yeah, you said prostitutes of her prostitutes is a little bit more.
Well, she said that at the beginning of the show.
Legal prostitute.
She said legal prostitute.
I don't want to offend anybody, is prostituted like a it's old school, it's still on the books, like on Nevada's books, but like the hipper hipper way to say it is sex workers.
But here's the thing with sex workers.
Personally, me, you can call me a legal prostitute.
Yes, I got you.
But the thing with the term sex worker is that is such a broad, it includes strippers, it includes women who take lingerie photos who aren't naked.
Wait, question.
Steward?
Is stewardess okay?
Because you're a flight attendant, so I'm just curious.
It's not the term that we're talking about.
Would you be offended if someone referred to you as a stewardess?
You got anything that you're saying?
Older, older people do all the time.
Doesn't bother you.
No.
All right.
Just curious.
Want to make sure since we're not a big deal earlier, it was like talked about like how you know sleeping or letting your husband or wife sleep with someone else is like irresponsible or it's not a marriage anymore.
Like, I'd be kind of curious of what you believe a responsible marriage is like.
Or I understand that you have a religious view on marriage, but when I think about a marriage, I think like I could see somebody saying they're married if it's like completely romantic, like you're not allowed to do romance with anyone else.
Like, basically, what does responsible marriage mean to you?
Marriage is not just a contract, like it wasn't just like the government came up with a contract for people to get married.
You know, the history of marriage.
You can't separate that from the church.
The problem is, people are trying to make things cool and trying to update and make them modern.
And now, people are saying you can have a polygamous marriage and you can bring in other people on the outside of your marriage.
What's the point of getting married?
Literally, I'd like to ask the question: if you think that you can, if you want to marry somebody and then outsource the sex, you know, outsource the responsibility, outsource what the labor of love is actually supposed to be about, why not just stay single?
So, you wouldn't do a threesome with your husband?
Absolutely not, because he's my husband.
Do you believe you have to ask that?
To get the answer out of the mouth, I mean, there's married couples that want to have threesomes.
And these ladies are bicurious.
You should jump into those Reddit threads because every single time that marriage ends in divorce, there's so many Reddit threads.
No, they don't.
And a lot of them die for five years.
And there's some that don't divorce.
Do you believe atheists can get married?
I think atheists get married because they want a tax break.
I don't see the point in an atheist getting married.
Why don't you just live with your partner?
Okay, whoever it is that you're dating.
You're at the stage you said, I don't know if you live with your boyfriend or whatever it is.
Why take the next leap?
If you're wearing crosses for fun, and you know, I mean, if you're actually asking the question, I mean, because then I would just be pledging the fact that I would want to be with them forever.
I don't know.
You can just be with them forever.
So, why?
What is it that you crave that when you want to get married?
What's that next step for you?
What does it mean?
What's the difference between dating and marriage?
Because it's a commitment.
Is dating not a commitment?
It's a commitment, but it's saying it's solidifying it.
Okay.
Solidifying what?
Because if you're- Solidifying a bond between two people that love each other.
Okay, but what is solidified?
If you can then jump into that next commitment, which is the exact same as dating, and you can sleep with other people and you can put topless photos on the internet, what are you getting married for?
Pictures on Instagram to say you did it?
I mean, I'm not sleeping with other people.
What's the difference for you between dating and marriage?
I just told you, it's a bond between two people.
You're solidifying that by law.
You're literally making it known.
I want to be with this person forever.
It isn't just a simple breakup.
Oh, I can go and do whatever the fuck I want and leave.
It's a partnership.
It's a bond.
It's forever.
But there's no difference between dating and marriage other than the idea in your head that it's a bond because you're saying also.
No, it's not an idea in my head.
It's on paper.
Okay, it's a paper.
And that was a paper.
But it's not a tape.
But I'm saying it's not a tax break.
It's a legal thing.
I'm connecting to somebody for the rest of my life.
Yeah, well, I think for people that think about marriage and don't think about a cross as something funsy to wear, it's not a piece of paper.
You know, it is a union between a man and a woman, a sacred union that should be protected from external forces.
Definitely not something that you open up.
I would feel disgusting if my husband ever came to me and said, I want you to sleep with another man or sleep with another woman so that I can fill my sexual fetish.
I mean, it's an utter perversion of what it means to be married.
And it will lead to divorces.
People that have this perspective will, and I'm not saying that if you don't do it, you won't get divorced 100%, but I do want to say that there is probably a reason that a lot of sex workers struggle to find people that want to marry them.
Well, can I say a lot of the perversion that comes, if you are not going to be acceptant with your partner, if he comes to you and is like, hey, I really like getting pegged.
I want you to peg me.
And you're like, ew, that's so disgusting.
Like, I would never do that.
You want me to eat your ass?
I would never do that.
Then, okay, what are you going to do?
Divorce him?
Or what are you going to do?
Realistically, I'm asking you at all.
I'm asking, hold on.
I really want to, I want to know.
What are you going to do?
That's your husband.
He's like, hey, babe.
I think one of the things about marriage that's really beautiful is I know what my husband, before we got married, I think I know who but things change, and maybe he wants to start exploring.
He wants to start doing what?
So say, so he wants to start exploring, and he's like, oh my gosh, maybe I do want you to eat my ass.
And I kind of, and I kind of want you to peg me.
Like, I'm kind of, I kind of want anal penetration from you because you're my wife and you're so beautiful and hot.
And we're married and we have kids together and I'm feeling a little bit kinky.
And I, with you, since we have this special marriage and bond, how would you feel if we could just try this out just this one time, babe, please?
I think it would probably indicate to me that my husband was involved in some perverse world, whether it was through pornography, that something else was happening on my side, because these aren't normal things that people just think of when they wake up.
So what's really like a strap-on dildo right now?
So welcome to this move.
What's the ultimatum?
He's going to divorce me if I peg him.
And that's something crazy.
I would think that that individual would probably need therapy and not the kind that you give.
Okay.
But you're going to stay away from me.
You don't immediately divorce.
Marriage is about working through issues and working through problems if you don't immediately divorce them.
And this gets back to what she was saying about if your husband, if suddenly a woman doesn't want to have sex, which would be another huge issue in a relationship, I would hope that my husband wouldn't instantly divorce me, but I would hope that they would.
Some guys are terrified of that.
And some guys don't even feel like they can open up to their wives about that.
Sounds like they need therapy.
They need pain.
That's why.
Yeah, I think.
You got to work on your marriage.
The only thing is that they'll come to us talking to us about that.
You know what I mean?
So it's just like that's unhealthy.
And I think that, you know, the fact that sex workers exist as this, what you believe to be a solution, when in fact, that's a detriment because you're getting in the way of the wife and the husband being able to communicate.
And so I would much rather my husband go, if there was an issue and your wife's not having sex, I'd rather him go talk to a priest.
I'd rather him go talk to another male when males sit down and talk about, hey, man, you should talk to her about this.
I'd rather him now.
Let me finish my statement.
I'd rather him, what do you mean?
Bros talking to each other about things.
That's a normal.
I'd rather, if I have an issue in my head, it's pretty normal.
I'd rather go talk to my sisters about things that are going on in my marriage.
There's a lot of steps you can take before you talk to a prostitute about your marriage.
Maybe I'm crazy.
Maybe I live in such a crazy thing.
I'm saying what man is willing to turn on a Taylor Swift song a little bit in my room.
I don't know.
There's a lot.
would turn to taylor swift before i would go to a prostitute about my marriage i know but you're not a male so i'm just saying like men can talk to other What are you talking about?
There's all of these podcasts of men talking, you know, talking to men and being inspirational and talking about porn addiction and talking about the things that are corrupting men's minds.
That's out there.
And those are, those are, I would much rather my husband listen to those men and look for guidance, whether it's in the church, whether it's on a podcast, whether it's a spiritual leader, than to turn to a prostitute in a brothel.
I hear you.
So there's a lot of steps that you can take from we're having an issue in our marriage to my husband's at a brothel laying next to a prostitute talking about issues on the project.
Actually, let me just step in really quick.
I do think, though, I would like to redirect the conversation because I do think it's probably a very small portion of people who are married are seeking to bring in a prostitute for the husband.
It just seems like such a small kind of what's up really quick.
Statistically, married men are actually the highest number of clientele for prostitutes.
Yes.
And that's why I'm saying, please listen for me.
I'm literally telling you guys, males come to us and say all this stuff, which is like they're first scared of you guys because how you might react.
Two, they feel like they can't be honest and open with you guys.
That's why they result in coming to places.
Just so you guys know, that statistic doesn't mean that the majority of married men go to prostitutes.
I didn't say that.
No, I know.
I'm just letting her know because she said, like, yes, like it was if it was a debunk.
No, the majority of married men don't turn prostitutes.
I'm just saying to prostitutes.
Oh, they might get along their tinge and they might be majority married.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, I get that.
I think that's a good reason to have, I guess, to on the point of like something was brought up earlier about like what is like a responsible marriage to you.
So part of being a good partner as like a wife or a girlfriend to whoever you're with is making them feel comfortable telling you anything, especially if it's something that they think is serious enough to consider leaving like their relationship with you for.
Like if it's serious enough that they would consider divorcing you, if they can't explore the sexual fantasy or anything like that.
I think that's just a part of being good on the, I agree with what you're saying here that they that these men don't feel comfortable that they could tell their wives.
And I guess that's just a part of being not that it's justifiable that you as a wife you should give in to any sexual fetish your partner brings to you.
It's whatever you're comfortable with and wherever your boundaries are.
But I guess that's a part of that continuous conversation with them so that they always feel comfortable bringing up anything to you as a friend, as like confidant and knowing they're not going to be judged.
Right.
They'll be a partner with you in family.
I do have to move on.
So we have a couple chats here I want to try to get through.
We have Beaten Cheeks.
Candace Owens, do not hold back on these libs.
Wipe the floor with your intelligence.
Congrats on being prego again.
Be easy with my Essie, though.
She's about to get retired out soon.
Okay, first of all, I have beef with Beat and Cheeks because he asked me on a date and then posted a photo with another girl on Twitter.
So you guys loyal?
I mean, he asked you on a date and you guys are committed.
You're committed to beat and cheeks with his ridiculous.
Basically, together.
So he's posting photos with another woman right after asking me out.
He's literally breaking my heart.
He's breaking my heart.
Commit this act of infidelity on Essie over here, who you've never met yet.
Okay, we have Frankie Kay.
Hey, thank you, man.
You know what's funny about Beyonce?
She encourages single ladies to have fun, supports promiscuous behavior in her music, and perpetuates the I don't need a man mentality.
And when she's done recording, she goes home to her husband and her children.
Who, by the way, I did her.
Jay-Z cheated, right?
Yes, okay, all right.
All right.
Good point, Frankie.
Thank you, man.
We have Kennedy J. Candace, the honey badger queen.
Is that your nickname?
I don't know.
Or did you just get bestowed with me?
I just got bestowed.
Thank you for your voice and being on this wacky space as a cultural battlefield that somehow pushes beyond ideological bubbles.
When are Jeremy and Ben going to make Brian an offer?
Seriously, think about it.
I'll bring it to them.
Got a lot to bring to them after that.
Yes, the Tiger King.
Yeah, Tiger King and Matt Wall Street.
All right, we have travel trades here.
Oh, wait.
I'll just read.
Hi, Brian.
Long time, no C. Hopefully, I can come on once I'm back from Kuwait.
Hi, Candace.
Thanks for being a voice when I felt odd having conversation.
Felt odd having conservative behaviors, excuse me.
Your bravery has helped countless people become comfortable with being conservative.
Thank you.
That's so sweet.
Thank you.
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Hey, thank you, appreciate it.
And then lastly, we have sociji.
That's probably not, I don't know.
Panel, please listen to everything that Candace says.
You have a rare opportunity to see what a high-value woman is and learn from her as she's intelligent, respected, and accomplished.
You can't justify and make excuses for your lifestyles.
Anyone got a response to that one?
Thank you.
Okay, there you go.
I like my lifestyle.
I love my lifestyle.
I would change it at any time.
Being in this industry, you don't run out of opportunities.
Men are coming all the time.
If I wanted to settle down with one of them, I think that could have happened.
Wait, when you say men are coming to you all the time as clients, right?
Yeah.
And you said if you wanted to settle down with any of them, you could, but do you find the men who come to you attractive?
Because I mean, I've heard from a lot of women who do OnlyFans or even women who are exotic dancers, strippers, whatever, and women who do porn or even adult content, that the men that typically like are the fans or consume the content or come and see you,
your clients, a lot of these women don't view these men like just by virtue of them coming to you or by virtue of them subscribing to your OF, like that in and of itself makes them not a prospect for any like long-term.
These are normal guys and some of them are hot.
So I'm a fitness competitor.
I'm 46 years old.
I figured I was going to age out of the industry.
What has happened?
MILFs are all the thing.
They're the cat's pajamas right now.
So I'm getting a ton of...
It's a milf.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
I'm getting a lot of young'uns.
Comings.
The young'uns.
The young'uns.
Young gentlemen.
Tons of them.
And then, you know, fitness competitors, judges that judge in the circuits, and then they'll say, hey, you know, you're looking good or tighten this up.
So there's a lot of opportunities to meet a lot of individuals now.
To meet them, though.
But I mean, I want to date them.
When it comes to long-term commitment, I mean, I think.
They want, well, I agree.
What I encounter, and something what Candace said, is these guys, they are prideful.
So once they start dating you, they do, in my experience, they do want you to maybe consider settling down.
Now, I've done real estate.
I was vice president of business growth at an active wealth management company during COVID.
I have a master's degree.
I can do different things.
What do you have a master's in?
Education.
I got straight A's.
Yeah.
So, and I taught for a while.
So I come in and out.
I'll go into white-collar work and then I'll go back into the industry because it's fun for me.
I enjoy it.
And it is good money.
And it's an adventure.
I enjoy going out with these guys and being a travel companion and getting to go on vacations.
No, I just wanted to ask you, as the man sitting at this table, are you attracted to their lifestyles?
Do you think men are attracted to their lifestyles?
I'm just curious about your opinion, just to hear on the male.
I don't care.
Well, that's so rude.
No, Sam here asked you your opinion about it.
No, I said, like, good thing I don't care for what an other male has to say about my industry, though.
But he's been asking you questions about what you think about men.
No, I'm going to say that.
He's been asking you questions about your life.
And the first thing when I ask one question is that you're not going to be able to do that.
I'm just saying.
I feel like I'm very hurt.
I want to know.
Yeah, but why interrupt that?
Like when he asked you a question, what if someone said, I don't care what she says?
You know, I think that's just a little rude.
I'm saying because everybody's always out here.
I see your faces that you're giving her and stuff like that.
No, I just been saying like I'm letting her talk, but I just wanted to hear his opinion on it.
So I just, was that like a little bit of insecurity to just jump and say, I don't care?
Can I coach Candace from the Daily Wire?
Well, it was just a little rude.
She's like, you talk so much.
We've all been letting people talk with different perspectives.
So I just thought it was like suddenly he hasn't even said anything and you've already diminished.
Condescending.
Yeah.
So in any case, it's okay.
I just want to hear about you, Brian.
Like we've been all talking.
I'm trying to let Brian continue and you're still talking.
Okay.
There's a lot of insecurity coming out over there.
I'm not sure where it's coming from, but go on.
Go ahead, Brian.
Oh, do I have your permission?
Is it okay?
Okay.
Okay, okay, cool, cool.
So, sorry, can you just repeat the question one more?
Yeah, I was just saying, like, it's interesting because we're all women and we're giving different perspectives and the female perspective on this topic.
When you hear what she just said about sex work and how she feels about sex work, or you hear what she's saying, or you hear what she's saying, what is your honest opinion as a man?
Because what we're trying to get to, I think, the nucleus of is, you know, high-value women, high-value men, what creates that, how men respond to that.
And we have the opportunity to hear a man.
I mean, I personally would not date a woman who is involved in sex work in any of its various manifestations.
Just, I mean, it's kind of, there's, I'm not really like a hater if people want to do that sort of thing.
On a societal level, I don't know if it's the best thing, but I'm kind of like, hey, whatever, go do your thing.
But as far as my own personal preferences, standards, and boundaries when it comes to a relationship, I don't foresee myself wanting to get involved with someone who does sex work.
And why do you think that is?
I think most men would agree with you.
And I think that makes sense to me, but why is that?
Because I think it's just interesting to hear a male perspective, that's all.
Sure.
I mean, well, kind of going back to there being different levels to it.
So, I mean, if she's a prostitute or was a prostitute, I mean, it's kind of, I feel like that's just common sense.
Like, I wouldn't, no offense.
I just wouldn't date a woman who's a prostitute.
I'm not offended, like I said.
And probably, they wouldn't want to date me.
I don't know.
It's fine.
It's cool.
But yeah, I wouldn't, I know if you're, because I would want monogamy, I'd want loyalty.
And even though it's for work and they're just doing it for money, my view of sex is not, I don't think you can, well, people do, but I don't think you ought to detach intimacy from sex.
And people who engage in a lot of casual sex or people who do it for work, you've essentially just detached intimacy from sex.
So definitely not a prostitute.
I mean, not a stripper, not a OnlyFans, no.
I feel like that was just like an unnecessarily long way to answer.
Like, no, no dude's going to want to date a hooker.
I don't know.
It's like, I don't think it's like that.
Yeah.
And I said, I don't care because it's like, and you're like, no, don't take offense.
Like, I'm not going to take offense to something I don't care about.
That's why I'm like, no, it's just a preempt.
And you stated, you were like, and you looked at me and you said, and don't take offense.
Like, baby, I'm not offended by any means.
You know what I mean?
Okay.
I'm not looking for relationship right now.
I'm not trying to offend you.
She was just asking me.
Yeah, I literally was just asking a question.
Yeah, earlier it was like talked about like promiscuity.
Like I'm assuming you guys believe like promiscuity is like bad or shouldn't be encouraged in society.
I was wondering if what specific factors do you think encourage it most?
Do you believe it's like media?
Do you think like birth control has anything to do with it?
Do you believe like I want to know what your top factors of promiscuity are and what you believe it is?
Yeah, so I would say number one contributor is culture and the education system.
So I remember when I was left-leaning, a lot of my ideas came from the school system and just what you're talking about, Planned Parenthood in the classroom, that effort began in the 70s.
The majority of high schoolers were graduating with their virginity intact in the 70s before they started teaching health class, which was teaching people that everybody's doing it.
And actually they weren't.
And within one decade, it completely flipped.
And the majority of teens were now graduating, having lost their virginity.
So we ceded a lot of that to the education system, which when parents had more control over their children, what was happening in the classroom was based on arithmetic and not cultural issues and focusing on engineering children to think that sex is this positive.
You just do it, everybody's doing it.
It doesn't matter if you have multiple partners.
You combine that with feminism in the classroom.
I was forced in college to take a feminism 101 course, and they kind of made you think that, yeah, Beaton Cheeks donated $200.
Candace, please tell these women their past promiscuous matters to be with a decent guy that will not be beta males.
Essie, that was just a friend.
We still on relax.
Just to answer my text and we good, I promise, equals D. All right.
Thank you, Chief.
Was there a question here for Candace?
Or is that these one here past promises matter?
Wait, can I, do you mind if I push back a little bit on the education system comment?
Sure.
Okay.
Because at least from the things that I've read and that I've studied, it seems like that is true, but in a very particular context, and that very particular context was like basically abstinence only education, which I don't know about you guys, but makes complete sense to me because if you tell teenagers like, don't do this thing, this thing is like super, you know, like, don't do it.
It feels super good, but you're not supposed to do it or whatever.
If you phrase it that way, then teenagers are going to go out and do it.
Because at least everything that I've seen recently has been talking about how if you talk about proper sex ed and people who have more access to contraceptives as well, as well as better sex ed tend to have like a lower body count than people who are like in like lower education, less sex ed, less access to contraception.
So I was just wondering like your thoughts on that.
I'm telling you it's not true factually.
In the 70s before they got Planned Parenthood who went in the classroom and started funding initiatives and they started teaching sex education.
There used to not be sex education in school and the way that they got it into the classroom in the 70s was by saying, you know, it's better to teach them, which is what you're saying, because then they'll be more responsible.
It actually, within one decade, it flipped.
The majority of high schoolers were graduating with their virginity before there was sex education.
And then when they put sex education in the classroom, the majority of them within 10 years were not graduating with their virginity.
So it actually sexualized children.
My understanding, but the reason why was because the first manifestations of sex education was abstinence only.
And it was working is what I'm saying to you.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, it was working.
So abstinence, it used to be, you know, considered, and I'm not at all trying to, I'm just telling you what the facts are here.
Like when people, when abstinence was the cultural simulation, when everyone said you should be abstinent, you should not get, you should not have sex before marriage, that idea was permeated throughout culture.
It was reflected in culture.
There were no sex ads.
There weren't people naked on the internet.
And people lived their lives.
It was considered a big thing, you know, to lose your virginity.
You were actually considered someone that maybe a guy wouldn't want to marry because you lost your virginity.
That was the cultural understanding, like, you know, in the 50s and the 60s.
And then in the 70s, you had this fourth wave of feminism that reared its ugly head and started associating sexual promiscuity to freedom and things completely flipped.
Again, I'm just giving you a historical analysis of what happened in the classroom.
Yeah, I think it's commentary.
It's okay if you, sorry, can I just finish?
Make it quick if you can.
Yeah, I'd be interested to see like where exactly you're getting that from.
If like later you can tell me what I'm doing.
Thomas Soul inside the education system.
He has all the sources listed in the back of the book.
Okay, because at least modern day, do you think that any of that has flipped or no?
No, I think we've become, you know, there was, to use a term, I was actually talking about this yesterday on a podcast.
I thought it was pretty brilliant.
But Paul Joseph Watson, I love his YouTube stuff.
And he started talking about hoeflation.
That is a thing.
Actually hilarious, which he's saying that men used to have to do a lot less and get a very high-value woman.
He's like, so think about your grandparents and your grandmother.
She was a high-value woman.
She, you know, she raised the kids.
She was conservative.
She was beautiful.
All of these things.
And now we live in this moment where everyone's kind of a hoe, and you have to work harder to get a woman that doesn't have any self-respect or any value.
And I just thought it was a really interesting video.
It was obviously funny, but he was saying something.
And we live in hoeflation now, where everybody in their own capacity is selling their bodies.
And unfortunately, these are the options that men have.
Now, I'm not saying it's stunning to me that women talk about what men need to be and what men need to be, but I think just kind of the complete disintegration of when I look at what my grandfather, my grandmother, looked like in pictures.
She passed in 2013 and just how classy and how beautiful and how much I wanted to be like her.
And now I look at women today and I just think, man, I feel bad for guys.
That the pool is getting smaller, but also it's really positive for women that are conservative and who it means that you're part of maybe a smaller pool of individuals.
I see it a lot more in the South and that men should aspire to pursue those women, absolutely, to raise their families and to raise their kids.
Do you co-sign on the ho-flation?
Oh, yeah.
I believe.
Yeah.
The women today are very low value.
And so it's funny because the simulation is like men ain't shit, is kind of the thing everybody's saying.
Don't need a man.
And it's funny that someone brought up Beyonce because she's living the exact opposite of what she's singing.
She's just making money because she knows how to make money in a ho-flationary environment.
You know, smart woman.
She's like, I'm just going to pretend to be a hoe, but then actually privately, I'm going to be like super.
Hold on.
You wanted to come in, then you please, if you can, try to keep it brief because I need to get to chat.
I was just going to say that my version of sex education, or my sex education was literally them showing us a birthing photo or a video, sorry.
Yeah, in fourth grade.
That terrified me.
And I was like, actually, I don't think I'm going to have sex for a long time.
I think I'm good.
And like, speaking of ho-flation, I mean, we're comic, we're always trending, apparently, right?
Because hoes.
Because without us hoes, you wouldn't have like that many views to be watching, right?
You have hoes come on the podcast to talk about our I'm not knocking hoes.
I don't want to be a hoes.
I don't want to be on hoes.
I'm saying you have hoes, and when I say you have hoes coming onto the podcast, you know you're a hoe.
You're a hoe.
You're a literal hoe or like more of the colloquial.
It's Brian's dream.
You know what I mean?
You have hoes, Brian.
So you sit here and you want to bash sex workers, but you know, we come on here.
We don't bash anybody, anybody.
I don't think anybody is bashed.
He's bringing you on here and giving you a platform to speak.
So I think that if he was going to be bashing you, he wouldn't even allow us.
The hero of hoes.
Wait, what do you mean?
Making what?
Making a seam like a single person.
I'm not making anybody seem it.
No, I'm just talking about a video.
We're a trending topic, so it's relevant to speak on.
Because it's interesting.
It's fascinating.
I am fascinated by hoes.
I'll say it.
I'm absolutely fascinated by the way the hoe mind works, the way the hoe hive works.
I'm fascinated.
I cover it on my show.
You are correct.
It is trending.
And that's why when Emma gets up and does a video and says something like, you know, it's chic to be divorced before you're 30.
It is absolutely fascinating to see how someone's mind can be so warped.
You know, in the same way that I think it's fascinating when anybody does anything crazy or says anything crazy, and I cover it on my podcast, you know.
I am not knocking it at all.
I just tell people what the facts are.
You can choose this lifestyle.
And here is where you are 99.9% likely to lead in your life, right?
You are probably not destined for marriage.
You're not probably not destined for a sale relationship.
Men are going to not want this long term.
You can say it a thousand times.
You can have a thousand cultural examples.
And women still got to go out there and be hoes, you know, because they're about they money and about a Cardi B song or whatever it is.
So yes, I think it is fascinating.
And it is why I wanted to, you know, talk, this is why I talk about it on my podcast and why I'm very interested to talk to you guys.
I hope you guys feel that I've been respectful and listening to your lifestyles, even though it's so different from mine.
And so I appreciate Brian for hosting.
Well, thank you for coming, Candace.
Let's see.
I have a couple chats here, and then I have one more question.
And then I think Candace will have to leave here in a moment.
We have Yvonne.
Okay.
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Hey, Candace, thank you for being a voice of common sense and a good representation of being a decent woman in today's modern perverse time.
What are your thoughts on the passport bro movement of men leaving America for better wives abroad?
Hey, John, thank you very much for the TTS.
Maybe a brief little snippet on this if you think that you can find higher quality women in other places.
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Yeah, I think that America has really lowered the cultural standards for women more than any.
You don't see this kind of, even the way women dress in America compared to England fascinates me.
And so, yeah, I think find a wife.
Do what you got to do.
But also, don't discount the South because there are so many good women in the South in America.
Come to Tennessee.
They're wonderful.
I have heard something kind of interesting on this is that you have a lot of men in the West, a lot of men in the U.S. going overseas to try to find perhaps a wife who's a bit more feminine or whatever they're not finding here in the West.
But you don't hear of men from other countries in droves coming to the U.S. to find a wife here.
You don't really hear that.
All right, we have Yvonne St. Simonis.
Candace, I know you're listening to these women with a realization that this country is doomed.
How will you help your son navigate the swamp before you right now?
And if we can just try to be I moved to the South as soon as I got pregnant the first time, I moved where my values aligned, and my son will be just fine.
Perfect.
We have Goodest Boy.
One of them is too young to remember the movie Pretty Woman.
Imagine a guy just wanting a better life for the both of you and maybe even a family.
Again, the world is effed.
Hey, Goodest Boy, thank you.
Yvonne.
Candace, do you think Lyndon B. Johnson has anything to do with the fact that these women that have an OnlyFans are actually able to find a relationship with a man?
I don't know how we correlated Lyndon B. Johnson to the OnlyFans account.
LBJ.
Yeah.
Are you familiar with anything with LBJ?
Of course.
Yvant Saint-Simonis?
Candace, what specific steps will you take to ensure that your daughter does not become one of the women sitting at the panel right now?
It would just be impossible in my household.
We keep her away from this kind of secular living, keeping them away from tablets, not letting them be raised on Instagram and social media and TikTok, making sure that they have family values instilled in them, that they know what the cross represents and that they are church-going children.
And it's all about who you hang out with.
You will become the average of the people you spend your most time with.
And I appreciate the time here, but I definitely would say that I want my kids to be in a different climate.
All right, we have the Cassman 777.
Marriage must be a closed and permanent relationship between two people for the purpose of raising children.
Without this definition, marriage just becomes dating with a contract.
Sending your husband to a sex therapist for sex is just prostitution with a loophole.
Hey, the Castman 777.
Thank you very much for your comment there.
Final question here before Candace has to take off.
So would any of you date a trans person?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
I feel like if I say no, I'm going to get a lot of backlash.
But I think my personal preference, I would say no.
Okay, that's fine.
No.
While you're married.
Me personally, I would not.
My question to you guys is, would any of you object to a man not wanting to date a transgender woman?
I think everybody has their own personal preferences.
And if there's one thing you're allowed to be super picky on, it's who you date.
Like, you know, I think that's the only thing that you can 100% have free reign on.
You can date who you decide.
I would completely agree with her.
Like we talked about before, I think that everyone should have boundaries, you know?
And as long as that person's upfront and honest and they can have like an adult conversation that isn't rooted in hatred, I don't think there's anything wrong with preferring somebody that isn't trans.
Okay.
I have a question.
So then this has been like a thing that's gone viral on this podcast before, and it always seems to spark quite a debate.
So would you consider it to be gay for a man to date a trans woman?
Yes.
For a man to date?
No, personally.
Would you categorize him as straight?
Probably, yeah.
Because what is it?
I'm sorry.
This is so technical.
I mean, I'm like, I just.
If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
Go ahead.
If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
Go ahead.
I'm with Pixie.
I don't think that that makes me gay at all.
Essie?
I'm like, I have no idea.
I would prefer not to answer.
Yeah, okay.
Question.
I mean, does your answer change based on the stage of transition?
Like, what if this is before any transition has occurred at all, but the person has come to the realization that they are transgender?
Well, I would assume that you have some level of like homosexual inclination if you're a man attracted to a person who looks and represents as a man, you know?
Like if you're saying pre-transition, I would say like you're if you're attracted to those components of that person.
Pre-transition, if you are transgender, are you a woman?
Pre-transition, you're a woman who hasn't transitioned yet.
So you're presenting as a male.
What if there hasn't been any bottom surgery?
What do you mean?
Like there's still an appendage.
So you're saying they transitioned everything but their bottom?
Maybe they're in the process of transitioning.
Let's say, fine, everything, but the...
Okay, I feel like I'm kind of confused here, so I'll just leave it in these sentences.
It seems really technical.
Two people that have penises, I don't care how you feel on your inside.
I don't care if you dress and you wear a dress or you wear a wig.
If you come together and you have sex, you're gay.
And I think that is homosexual, right?
So I know that people are trying, it is convoluted, so I understand why you're like, they're trying to make it something else and it's in your head.
And well, what if you feel like a woman?
It's very simple.
If you are a man and you are having sex with a man, irrespective of how you feel or whether or not you've mutilated your body or you've chopped something off, it doesn't make you not a man.
You're a man.
And two men coming together to have sex with their appendages intact, obviously, is homosexual sex.
Yeah, I think, you know, it's different if you're presenting completely different because at that point, like, you know, you have men who say that they've been trapped or whatever.
And I'm like, that person is straight.
They literally slept with someone who was like presenting as a woman, looked like a woman.
They couldn't tell.
Like, I wouldn't consider that gay.
But at the end of the day, like, honestly, I don't really care about people's sexual orientation that much.
I feel like this is like kind of a culture war issue.
And for some people, culture war issues are important, but I'd rather talk, like, policy about something.
I don't know if that makes me boring here, but...
Well, I'm not sure I'm totally following, but I guess, so, what is a woman?
I've answered this question before on the podcast.
Yeah, I can start with Azalea.
Did I say your name or I'm Zalia?
No, you never knew, but it's okay.
Okay, go ahead.
So what is a woman?
I mean, I think that gender is a spectrum.
I obviously know that you do not agree with me and a lot of the conservative people here won't agree with me, but I guess it's just how you present and how you feel.
I mean, I don't really, again, I don't like to structure things that way and like make it so black and white.
I think that people should represent themselves and be what they want to be and it's nobody else's business to be honest.
A female is somebody that has a vagina.
That's what it says in the book, right?
Okay.
Which the button?
The health ed book.
Gender and sex are two different things.
So.
Okay.
You answered the question correctly, so I don't want you to feel like you did.
You answered it wrong.
What is a woman?
A woman is so complex sometimes.
It doesn't need to be a woman is somebody who presents or acts as the social construct of women.
And the reason why I don't say biology is because whenever we look at biology, the truth is before coming to this room, I did not look at anybody's genitalia here.
I did not look at any of your chromosomes.
I just assumed you guys were women because of how you dress and act.
So I think that maps on more to our reality of how we use the word woman.
Essie.
This is so controversial.
I'm very like a man and a woman.
Man has a penis, woman has a vagina, biologically, man and a woman.
I agree.
I think that it's like whatever biologically and anatomically what you've got going on.
I feel like what brings out my feminine qualities the most is the thought of being a mother in the future.
So I guess I associate being a woman with being a mother and all aspects of that.
Okay, that's my answer.
Your gender is decided before you're born, when you're born, and for the rest of your life.
I'm having a little boy.
The doctor knows that.
I know that because he's got a penis that is growing inside of my stomach right now, which is kind of tricky to think about.
If I get onto this table and I start meowing like a cat, I don't suddenly become a biological cat because I present like a cat and wear a tail and say meow meow.
That probably means that I need to talk to a therapist.
Not you.
Not you.
But yeah, it's not that difficult.
It doesn't need to be convoluted.
It doesn't need to be controversial.
A woman to answer your question is an adult female.
Adult human female.
It is an adult human female.
And that is the answer to something that it's just shocking to me that every person knew, every child, every, and then within just a couple of cultural years, everyone is so confused about, you know, water being a liquid.
It's very, like, again, I'm fascinated by it, so I love to talk to people that are confused by that.
But if you were born with a vagina, you are a female.
And if you were born with a penis, you are a male.
And if you had some rare thing happen, which hardly ever happens, but people always talk about it, where you're born with both parts, you might be intersex hermaphrodite.
But generally speaking, I think we know that that means that something genetically went wrong.
We are born either male or female.
Pixie, do you object to her definition?
Yeah, because I think I understand where you're coming from, but I think when it comes to day-to-day use of words, they have to map onto our reality somewhat.
And the truth is, like, as I didn't check anyone's biology or chromosomes before coming here, you can say it's an act, but the truth is, it's an act that everybody plays into.
Everybody looks at how a person looks like and says, oh, they're a woman or male based off of that.
And you can say, oh, that person is putting on a disguise that doesn't change their real gender or anything, but everybody acts that way.
So to me, it's like, no, like the word that maps or the definition that maps most onto reality onto our day-to-day usage is appearance-based.
Candace does have to take off here.
Do you have a final response to her?
Yeah, I just, if you grow in Afro and wear a wig and put, you know, a lot of black makeup on, you're not a black woman.
So your appearance doesn't actually mean anything.
You're not black.
And the same way that I'm not white.
So, how we, if we can trick someone, you might be able to trick me.
I think White Reach Adobe Zoll did a really good job tricking people into believing that she was black for a long time by darkening her skin, getting super tan, and wearing fake wigs.
But she was actually a black woman.
So, how you feel on the inside and how you present, you might be able to trick people, but that makes you a liar, not a woman.
So, yeah, that's what I would say in closing.
Yeah.
If you want, you could direct your further comments to me, what happens afterwards.
But, guys, please be sure to check out Candace Owens' documentary.
Yes, Convicting a Murderer.
You guys will love it tomorrow.
It's not political.
I'm going to watch it tomorrow.
It'll be live on X. Live on X and the DailyWire.com.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cool.
Exactly.
Yeah, be sure to check that out, guys.
Well, Candace, thank you so much for coming.
Thank you guys for having me.
And honestly, I really did appreciate talking to you guys.
That was fascinating.
I think everyone was super respectful.
So I really appreciate it.
And you, because you're so young, I'm just going to say a prayer for you because I do think, I really do believe that in there there's just a different life for you.
And I'm just going to say a prayer for you tonight.
I just wanted to say that because I felt for me tonight.
I don't know what that prayer entails.
I'm going to say it anyways.
Yeah.
Someday you might.
You're rejecting the prayer.
The prayer is rejected, okay?
I am rejecting your prayer.
The show goes on, but Candace is leaving, guys.
Give me just a sec to say goodbye.
Yo, guys, W's in the chat for Candace.
W's in the chat for Candace.
07's in the chat for Candace.
Sorry, I'll scoot over a little bit.
If I want to be a hoe, I'll be the hole.
Guys, give me just a sec while I say goodbye, and then we'll continue with the stream.
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Yeah, she had a hard out at 8:30, guys.
So Madison will take over this seat.
Okay, so where were we?
We're talking about race and gender.
You guys good with Candace, right?
Yeah, she is a little back and forth.
It was good.
Yeah.
It was pretty good.
I disagree on some things, but yeah, I get very respectful, very smart.
Wait, just a reminder, just when you speak, if you can, in the mic, thank you.
Very super smart lady.
Very, very awesome.
I disagree on some things, but it's just a matter of lifestyle.
Right.
It's good.
It's good.
Let me see if I can get a couple chats in here.
We have a question for the S workers from Travel Trades.
If the entirety of mankind adopted your ideologies on S marriage, do you think your ideologies would be a net positive or net negative to the world?
We'll go around the table on that.
And guys, actually, go ahead.
I guess I don't understand the question.
Yeah, I don't either.
Like, would it be generally positive if everybody was sex positive?
I guess, is that the question?
Yeah, because I don't think we're saying our ideology is that everybody should be a sex worker and have lifestyles like us.
That's what is implied.
Because I think that would be a net negative.
Obviously, I think it's for a specific type of person to be into sex work or perform sex work.
I don't think that that's for everybody.
That would definitely be a net negative if everyone wanted to be a sex worker.
Okay.
SC.
SC.
I mean, yeah, I would agree with Azalia.
Pixie?
Yeah, I kind of am stuck from the last thing that was said.
I kind of want to respond back to it.
Oh, to the Kansas thing?
Yeah.
Okay, just pretend I'm a pregnant black woman.
Well, yeah.
Remember, you're not what you feel inside, Brian.
Oh, I mean, the reason why the argument for like gender and race is so different is because our conceptions of what we're doing, where a proper claim on gender and race is radically different, right?
So we treat race or culture as a group identity, right?
So to be black, you have to be part of black parents, have some sort of black history, be part of a black community.
It's more of a thing that gets put onto you based on what your general history is and how much of validity you have to claim.
Wait.
Women, everybody has a claim to women because everybody has a fucking mom and everybody has been affected by gender roles.
Wait, hold on.
if you're black that manifests itself in your skin color like your yeah but there's light There's people.
Have you ever heard the term white passing?
No.
Like albino?
No, like black people.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Yeah, no, no.
You're lashed fish.
Yeah, but they don't know.
White passing is not trying to make yourself look black or make yourself look white.
You look white because you're black and you have a light skin.
Right, you just are extremely light skinned and 100%.
Like one of your parents must be white.
Or maybe you just have, what is it?
Like one ancestor a long time ago that was white and then it just came out in your dreams.
That's happened before.
So are you suddenly not black because you're white passing?
No, but you were arguing that it, like, it.
That the appearance is what makes you something.
Well, I'm saying that there's a difference between race and sex for the, or like, yeah, there is a difference.
Yeah, and for this reason, the reason why it's seen as like so outlandish if you just suddenly claim to be a black person is because we considered cultural identities group identities based on like historical claims.
While gender, everybody has a claim to gender because everybody's been affected to gender roles.
Everyone has a claim to gender.
Because everybody's been affected by it.
Oh, you have to be more masculine.
You have to be more feminine.
This is what a man means.
This is what a woman means.
Everybody's been affected by it.
Not everybody has been a descendant from slavery.
Wait.
Blowing your mind here.
No, you're not blowing my mind.
Because you just said descended from slavery.
You think you think all black people are descendant of U.S. slaves?
Because there's black people in various regions around the world.
Of course.
Yeah, absolutely.
But the point is that they have a, what is it?
Historical claim that, oh, you know, these people were viewed as black here.
This is a history of this place, et cetera, et cetera.
Not like, oh, you know, I have no culture or background connected to it.
Now I'm going to claim to be black.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
There has to be some, there's a historical claim there, at least in our society, that treats it that way.
Okay.
So that's a difference.
We can talk about something else.
Yeah, well, that was Candace Owen's argument because she was making the race comparison.
I wasn't really prepared to make that argument, but what you're saying.
I just have one more comment, and it's not about the race versus gender, because those are two very, very different.
Yeah, thanks for watching.
Mine is for you in particular because you said that your view of a woman is motherhood, and there are a lot of women that would take offense to that because it's really, really painful for women that can't have kids or can't be mothers for that reason.
So I think that that's not a good way to identify a woman.
I'm just saying that way.
Yeah, no, that's a great point, honestly.
That's a great point.
I just meant for me, how I feel like what makes me feel most woman out of like anything else.
But also, I don't have kids.
It's just the thought that I want them.
So maybe even it's just that.
Maybe it's like the mothering instinct.
I don't have kids, and I may be someone who isn't able to.
I mean, hopefully that is possibly not the case, but it's just the desire to have kids, the desire to be nurturing.
That's where, and I don't have them yet.
But that is still what makes me feel most woman than any, like.
Yeah, and that's very fair.
I just think those are two, like the way you said it the first time in saying that, those are two very, very different things.
So that clarification.
Yeah.
But I mean, I don't particularly, in the first place, have a strong opinion on the transgender issue.
I mean, in terms of like words of it all and like the wording of it all, the definitions of it all.
Like, I don't really have like much commentary on that because, again, it's just words.
It doesn't really have like much.
Well, okay, so the typical recommended go-to for what is a woman, if you say you lean more conservative, right?
Pretty center, but.
Yeah, I mean, I think she does make a good point.
Like, your ability to get pregnant doesn't, like, if a woman had like a hysterectomy, she's still a woman just because she can't have children.
I mean, what I would recommend, probably your strongest definition for what is a woman, is just an adult human female.
I just think in general, everyone should worry less about other people's genitals.
Period.
Thank you.
Because what does it matter?
It's not on your body.
It's on theirs.
Like, if you're not sleeping with them, it's like, it's just not your business.
Well, I mean, like, if you're having like an intellectual conversation about it, like, truth is kind of a big deal.
I mean, we can have the conversation, but I think like the worrying of it of like, oh, are they trans?
Are they this?
Are they that?
What are they?
Are they a woman?
Are they a man?
I don't think that we need to be having even in-depth conversations about somebody else's body and somebody else's decision and how they feel.
Because I don't think any of us can dictate how anyone else feels.
I think it's more of a constructive conversation or debate if what you want to talk about is something like policy related.
Like if you want to ask like a have a debate about like a question that I don't think it's a stupid question, like what is a woman to you?
You're asking for someone's like ideological take on it.
I just think it's more fruitful to have a conversation about like how should the law define it or how should it like apply in society.
I just think that's a bit more of like interesting and constructive of a debate to have because it could have real consequences versus like, I mean, I was a philosophy major in college.
All, you know, half of philosophy, philosophy gets hated on because like, you know, half of it is just arguing about a definition of something that's completely abstract in the first place.
It doesn't have a physical reality.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, biological reality, like that's different, whatever.
I'm not even trying to get into that.
I'm just saying it's a philosophical argument where you're trying to ask when you ask people like, what is the definition of woman to you?
It's not a philosophical argument.
It's very relevant.
Not a philosophical argument.
It's very simple.
It's very simple.
An adult human female.
But I think what everyone's trying to say is...
Did you check if I had a dick before I came in here?
So here's what does that mean?
Did you check my chromosome?
No, but like, but you still call me a woman.
Did I, I don't, did I, I would call you a woman, but I would call you a woman.
I don't know if I called you a woman.
Okay.
But I, okay, in any case.
Did you check?
Oh, Brian.
If you line.
Okay, here's the thing, though.
If you lined up 100 women and 100 men with pretty accurate certainty, you would be able, like, very easily be able to be like, excuse me, females and males.
Let me clarify.
You'd be pretty easily able to assess that's a woman.
That's a man.
Yeah, until they start changing their appearance.
And now there's a lot of passing people.
The point is the fact that somebody, even just one person passes, already throws a wrench into the argument.
Because if it's supposed to be this pure biological thing, then passing wouldn't be a question.
So it would just be.
When I was getting my master's degree in education, I had to take lifespan.
I need to take lifespan development.
And when we were studying lifespan development, we were studying transgender and transgender people just in case there's this minuscule statistical possibility that a child might reach out to us as educators.
I was an actual teacher for children.
So we studied that.
And there's a tiny, minuscule percentage of legitimate transgendered individuals in our society.
But now, due to all of this trendy stuff, now everybody's jumping on the bandwagon.
Now you've got kids in school when they're supposed to be studying saying, oh, I identify as a unicorn.
You have to call me a unicorn today.
And if you don't, you've got a principal breathing down your neck saying that you have to.
That's happened to my son.
So that's where, to me, I'm starting to see mental illness happen.
I'm starting to see a trend of let's just jump on this, whether it's true or not, and let's push buttons and let's get attention.
But I mean, being transgender is actually already studied in psychology.
It's gender dysphoria, and it's a real thing where they legitimately feel like the opposite sex.
And I'm not saying that you're wrong with people maybe jumping on the bandwagon, but in the United States, I believe I could be, I don't know the exact statistic, but I believe it's 0.04% of people in the United States are transgender.
Legit.
Yes.
And that's a very, very, very minuscule amount of people.
So, and I don't believe in transition.
I think it should be up to the parents what they want to do and having them, you know, go to therapy and go do those things in order to figure out whether it is just like a bandwagon thing and they're just hopping onto it or if they legitimately are and that it is something that they need to process and go through and talk to someone and maybe they are somebody that needs to transition later in life and that should be their choice.
The bandwagon stuff is scary, especially when you've got California trying to create laws where if your five-year-old comes to you and says, I feel like a boy today, but biologically it's your little girl, that the lawmakers would actually start making you put into motion biological changes and changing their hormones.
Okay, but I think that there's like a huge misconception with that because there's so many steps before it comes to hormone blockers or anything like that.
Like they have to see a psychologist.
They have to go through therapy to determine if they actually are transgender.
So I think that's like, that's like a huge misconception in the media and like propaganda of them putting that out there.
You are 100% right because it is.
They are blowing this out of proportion and scaring parents into believing that that's what's actually happening, that they are like the second that your child says that they're the opposite gender, that they feel that way, that they're immediately being sent to doctors in order to completely change their sex.
And that's just not happening.
I hope that that's like the case, that it's like not actually that, you know, you have to, you're legally required to go straight to hormone blockers.
But even if it's the case that the first thing is, oh, put them into therapy, even if that's like the first tiny step, it does, I don't, I'm pretty sure there's no law.
If your six-year-old, 12-year-old, five-year-old comes to you and says, I want to kill myself today, no parents are legally required to put their kids in therapy.
So I'm kind of confused.
I know, so I just feel like this should be.
Are we really curious about the kids' best interest?
Because I feel like there should be, there should have been tens of, if that's how radical we want to go with it, why are there not like hundreds of other laws already in there about like if your kid comes to you and says, I want to kill myself, you're legally required to put them in therapy.
I feel like it's because they're growing.
Moving on.
All right, guys, I got to get a couple chats out of the way.
We have Mr. Lamavislavic.
The full moon controls the tides just as the water in our bodies ebbs and flows with the lunar cycle.
And just as the sun gives birth to creation each day, so too does it give birth to potential for growth and transformation within us.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
No idea what the fuck any of that means.
Beautiful words.
Doc Vanablis, question to the sex workers.
Do you really think that the men you attract outside of your work are going to be mentally healthy?
And don't confuse mentally unhealthy with insecure.
Candace, you are the bomb.
Sorry, man.
Yeah, she left.
But yeah, go ahead.
As somebody that's been in a relationship with a very, very normal person for the last year and a half, he is very mentally healthy.
He is probably the most kind, patient, honestly, just one of the most amazing men I've ever met.
He is, you know, it almost feels like he's gone to therapy for years.
I don't know.
He just knows how to handle situations.
He knows how to handle conversations or difficult conversations.
He's just an absolutely wonderful human being.
I don't have anything bad to say.
If anything, I don't deserve him for sure.
But yeah, I have a very mentally healthy boyfriend, and I think it's very possible for sex workers to find those people.
And I have friends that have as well.
I literally wouldn't be anywhere without him.
I love him.
He's great.
And he's a great person.
Just because I'm a sex worker doesn't mean that I'm not deserving of that.
Any response to the question?
We are just as deserving as having a healthy relationship with somebody that we love.
I'm trying to think what would be the mirror opposite if I were to rephrase what would a what's the equivalent would the girls date a sex worker?
That's not the fair hold on that's not the fair equivalent like a dude who doesn't have a job?
I don't know because then they're not making money and that's completely different.
Yeah.
But what is the mirror opposite?
Like let's say among men who would view someone who does sex work as among the men who would view someone who does sex work as not desirable for a partner, what would be the mirror opposite?
Like what profession or career would women like podcasts?
Why isn't it the same?
Why is it the same podcast?
Yeah, I preempted it.
I knew y'all were going to come for me.
I knew you were coming for me.
Why is it that you're these toxic podcasts?
I don't know.
I feel like they'd be afraid of what I'm saying.
All these white men with their face.
It's the same equivalent just flipped.
Why do we, why is it not the same?
Would it be the same way?
Yeah, yeah.
Why would it not be?
I don't know if it's a total, like, mirror opposite, though.
You know?
So men can be sex workers and everything's good and fine, and they're cool, right?
No, no, no.
That's not what I'm really getting at.
I guess I'm more so getting at in the same way that I think men care more about women's promiscuity than the reverse.
Not to say that there's definitely women out there that don't want to date a guy who's promiscuous or who has a high body count.
But I do think, generally speaking, women tend to care a bit less or a bit less than men do when it comes to body count, promiscuity.
Maybe I'm just different because I do care.
I don't think I...
You in the day of the sex worker, bro?
You do sex work, huh?
Yeah, but I have restrictions.
I post lingerie.
I wouldn't date a man who posts his nudes on the internet.
But if he did, Penny Lingerie is the okay.
If he was doing the same things I would, that's why I don't want to be a hypocrite.
So I'm doing the things that I would allow my partner to do as well.
What if it was like nude, but not sex, just nude?
Just peen.
No, nude.
No peepee.
Swinging in the air.
No, God, no.
Okay, okay, so then you wouldn't date it, okay, all right.
I feel like this is a men, this is a lie a lot of men tell each other.
The idea that like, oh, men can like sleep around a bunch or like have a bunch of like, you know, girlfriends and women won't care.
Maybe you'll find a woman who doesn't care, but I think most women like don't want that.
Well, that's not really what I said.
Oh, no, I'm not saying you specifically.
I'm saying that like this is a sentiment I've heard from other people.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, okay.
Yo.
I feel like maybe the reverse could just be guys who use, like, who like subscribe to like sex workers.
Do you know?
I feel like that's the opposite, like in my head.
Could be.
Which I would like not be okay with.
I don't know if that's technically the opposite.
Yeah.
Because you're like seeking like those.
Both are unloading.
Both are like types of boundaries though.
If the guy doesn't want his woman being shown to a bunch of dudes for money, I don't want my partner being like paying to be shown a bunch of women for his money.
Again, I think the difference is that men that are subscribing to OnlyFans are like going to seek out a sex worker.
They're like actively seeking that out in that connection with somebody else, whereas somebody that's doing it as a job, like they're not seeking out the men that are coming to the business.
But they're still selling out their sexuality.
I feel like that's like a boundary thing.
Yeah, let's just move on.
Rare.
I don't know how to pronounce your name, man.
But hey, thank you.
You always talk about World of Warcraft.
Why not raise the topic of the Illadan Illadan funeral raid?
Oh, on the realm, Illadan.
they would not it's just it i will say though would any of you guys date a uh world of warcraft gamer like 10 hours a day I did.
You did?
Anybody here?
Show of hands.
Show of hands, ladies.
No, I did.
Is he doing it professionally?
Yeah, is it his job?
Is he getting paid?
No, he's just a.
Oh, that's the thing.
I dated someone doing it for a while.
He's an amateur.
He does it for the love of the game.
He doesn't care about the money or the alkalades.
He wants the glory.
He wants the epic loots.
Does he have a different job?
Purples, huh?
Does he have a different job?
If he's working 10 hours for this game, does he have time for another job?
Does he work out and shit?
And wait.
Not Jack donated 100.
Thank you, man.
Much appreciated.
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And also, thank you to Erudite, not so, what's her?
Oh, not so erudite.
Yeah, she raided us on Twitch.
I missed it earlier.
Yeah, you should have her on.
She's really.
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We have this guy.
Hold on.
She literally doesn't know what she's talking about.
My best friends are black.
I don't act black.
Whoa.
Oh my God.
Are you a racist?
I literally said you made a historical claim.
Like, hello, that goes, he's proving my point.
Pixie, wow.
You guys caught me, you know.
What if you were like adopted by a black man?
You're still missing the historical claim, right?
Wait, what historical claim?
No, I know.
That of your like ancestry.
What do you mean?
That your ancestry, you know.
Like slavery?
Is that one of the things?
That your ancestry.
She's the one who said slavery.
Like your ancestry belonged to whatever culture you're claiming to be a part of.
Okay, I thought you were bringing the slavery thing back up to me.
Oh no.
Okay, all right.
We have a couple more chats.
We have, wait, hold on.
We have Goodest Boy.
If Pixie is confused on jowl, how to define trans men, men slash women, then how the hell are the rest of us supposed to figure it out without offending or catching a charge?
I'm not offended.
Am I?
Did I come off as offended?
I know your lips quivering a little bit.
I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding.
Okay.
Without offending transfer.
I think they're offending it.
Like, a transgender person.
Like, misgendering them or something.
Yeah, no.
I think, from my personal experience, it's completely anecdotal.
Most of the trans people I've met, like, if I've misgendered them or whatever, they never really get upset at me.
They're like, oh, I prefer if you call me this.
And then if you keep, if you're kind of an asshole and you're like, no, I'm going to call you whatever I want, deal with it or whatever.
Then they're like, okay, fuck you.
I'm going.
Bye.
Go ahead.
I heard that there's like a state where you can get fined $10,000 for misgendering somebody.
I think they're like in Michigan or something like that.
Because I've never heard of that.
Yeah, this is true.
In the U.S.
Yes.
That sounds maybe.
Can I look it up on my phone?
Sure, sure, sure.
All right, we have Yavant.
Just save it.
Oh, thanks, Chris.
Thank you.
Thank you, Chris.
You're the homie.
I think that was a bill they were trying to do.
Yavant, how, yo, can you please tell me how to pronounce your name?
Because I don't like to fuck it up.
Oh, wait, let me read this one.
Again, she is lost, haven't lived with my parents since 16.
I don't know how that's related, Pixie.
Wait, what?
He has not lived with his parents since he was 16.
Who?
This guy.
I'm cool.
Yeah, cool.
Awesome.
Good for you.
Sweet.
Okay.
I found the article when you're writing.
What is it really quick?
Do you want to?
Oh, I'll.
Yeah, sure.
We need to fix your screen.
It's fixed.
It's just the screen protector.
I know.
We got to get you a new one.
No, I don't want none.
You like it all busted like this?
Okay.
Michigan House passes a bill that could make wrong pronouns.
I'm not sure about that.
Wrong pronouns of felony, fineable up to 10,000.
But did it get signed into law?
This is Fox News.
That says passes bill.
I would have done that.
The House passes a bill.
But then it has to go.
It has to, yeah, it has to get by the governor, I think.
But they did pass.
I mean, it is in the.
Wow.
Yeah.
Making you have wrong pronouns a felony.
But it could be, there's also like I've heard stories about this, and sometimes it's within the confines of like, if you're working for, it might not be like to every citizen.
It might just be like if you're in a healthcare setting.
In any case, I still think in a healthcare setting, that's ridiculous.
I've read about.
What the fuck was that?
Is Nick googling something?
I did.
The Fox News article?
Yeah.
We'll pull it up really quick.
Why not?
It's gone.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Okay.
We have.
Wait.
Did that.
Wait, no, I think he sent it twice the madman.
He sent it twice the madman.
Okay.
No, he explained.
Can you tell me?
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Hey, dude, sorry we weren't able to get to it.
Unfortunately, she did have to get out of here.
But the correlation of Lyndon B. Johnson with men being in relationships with OnlyFans women is the fact that these men did not have an everyday father figure to steer them away from such women.
True or false?
What did it have to do with Lyndon B. Johnson?
I'm so confused.
George would not have approved of your lifestyles, okay?
The motherfucking cherry tree.
The fucking cherry tree was a disgrace.
I don't know what the fuck.
Okay.
Anyway.
Can you please just send another chat, though?
I really want to know how to pronounce your name because it's confusing to me.
Okay.
The cast man.
Thank you, man.
Thank you very much, guys.
You don't need to check someone's biology to know if someone is a man or a woman.
I can tell based on body shape like all other sane people.
Also, if sex and gender are not the same, why do men cut their Ds off to become women?
It's gender, not sex affirming care.
It looks like you have.
The second half, I like, honestly, I was so clocked into the first part, but the first part I know for a fact is not true because there are plenty of situations that have already happened where somebody thought that they could clock somebody that was trans and they were completely incorrect.
There are women that have masculine features and they look more masculine and they are still women.
And same with the opposite.
People can be androgynous.
Just because your body shape doesn't look particularly feminine doesn't mean you're not a woman and are a trans person.
That's just a load of BS.
Yeah.
Yeah, Myriad.
She ate that.
I feel like I'd be very skilled at identifying.
You would think that, but there wouldn't be people that are carrying it on, including bread.
I mean, I started body shape, though, because I feel like a woman you only wouldn't be able to tell was a woman if she was completely flat chest.
Well, there are women that have broad shoulders.
There are women that have a more masculine build.
I mean, like, every, we come in all shapes and sizes.
I mean, this has already happened that people have not been able to tell.
There have been women that have gotten arrested for using the women's restroom because someone thought they were trans and they were actually just a masculine presenting woman.
So I'm going to, like, you can't tell.
Men wouldn't be crying about being tricked or whatever if they were clocking them 100% of the time.
It's just not accurate.
They tricked them.
How do you pronounce this guy's name?
Telegra?
Is that how you pronounce your name?
Can you please clarify?
Okay, thank you, man.
Okay, I got a couple questions here for the panel.
So, Olivia, muscle worship, huh?
What the?
What is that?
In your pre-show notes to us, you said something about muscle worship.
I was recently asked to go do a muscle worship DOM session where I beat him up and I licked his veins.
What happened there?
This is wild, guys.
Are you a muscle?
So I do fitness competitions.
Can we see the oh, the tries?
Okay.
Yeah.
We got, oh, the lats pretty good, too.
Don't, don't, don't sleep on her lats.
So I do fitness competitions and I lift up.
Can we see a bicep?
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
So you beat the dude up.
How much does that cost extra to beat a dude up or is it almost?
It's a specialty.
It's okay.
Okay.
So, yeah, it's interesting.
And then after I did that, it got some fanfare on Twitter.
And then these Dominatrix had me on their Spotify podcast.
But this gentleman got a hold of me and said it's due to your physique, but I like women who are really ripped.
It'd be even better if you were even more ripped on like steroids, which I thought was fascinating.
Nick, leave it.
Oh, fuck.
Okay, never mind.
Okay.
And yeah, and so he wanted to lick my veins and he wanted me to choke him.
I did Brazilian jiu-jitsu for a while, so I would kind of initiate the rear-naked choke on him.
And he was fully erect, just loving it.
And so, I mean, it just kind of went like that.
And he totally got off on it.
I got it, Nick.
Hold on.
I got it started again.
Okay.
We can start however you want.
No, I heard it.
So it's a fetish thing.
And it's fascinating.
There's a whole world of guys that want this.
So it's psychologically interesting for me because here he is getting erect and he's enjoying this.
So I'm having to gauge and then I'll go kind of like really sensual.
I have a question for the both of you.
So disclaimer for the viewers, for the ladies here, I would never do this.
Let me paint a scenario and I want you to tell me how much it would cost to hire one of you courtesans to fulfill my hypothetical fantasy.
What if I wanted to play chess with you while watching The Lion King, and then afterwards I wanted to engage in a joust fully clothed.
What is the cost for that?
Or are you just down to do for free?
Because that shit sounds kind of fun.
Is that like a whole night or how long?
Like a solid.
I think that would take about 70 minutes, maybe 90 minutes.
Well, legally, technically, we can't disclose pricing.
Hold on.
It's not, there's no sex, okay?
I just want to play Lexi, right?
I would love to spend a night with you, play some chess, watch The Lion King, and then fucking joust you, son.
What?
I'd have to take a 10% in the four-figure range, and I'd have to take a 10% deposit to book that appointment.
Four figures?
Yes.
What if I ride the horses?
Around that.
Yeah, it's a joust.
Do I have to pay for like health insurance in case you get fucked up?
In the joust.
In the joust.
Or during chess.
You never know.
I have my own.
I have been known to violently throw chess pieces.
How much would it cost?
We're looking at a four-figure.
Four-figure?
Yeah.
Like a thousand smackaroos?
Thousand bucks?
For the amount of time that you're talking?
Yeah.
Go up.
70%, but like.
Oh, wow.
Okay, you guys do it.
We're high-end.
Yeah.
Legally.
Okay.
I would do it for a $2 bill and like a 12-pack of pizza rolls.
We can talk after the show.
You should stream it.
That would be good.
That would be good.
Okay.
I don't know.
I go into the most ridiculous places.
Okay.
So I had it.
Oh, chats, right?
I think.
Are we caught up on the chats?
Here's Spooter Guy.
Yo, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Rav805 says cringe.
I don't think that's in response to my ridiculous scenario.
Okay, we have she's saying she's an idiot.
Who?
I don't know who.
I don't know who he's talking about.
What's that guy?
I don't know how to, I still don't know how to pronounce your name, dude.
Please tell me how to pronounce your name.
And then we have Not Jack coming up here in just a sec.
Sec, excuse me.
Not Jack says, since the dawn of time, female promiscuity has been abhorred even to the point where women were killed for it.
Get the stones.
It's still frowned upon in most of the world today.
So why in the West are we going to pretend that it's now okay?
Also, lose the cross, which do you have anything to say to him?
He just insulted you or complimented you.
I take that as a compliment.
It's also, by the way, it's not a cross.
It's a sword.
It's a sword.
Okay, you were just.
You were trying to get under his skin.
It's so totally a sword, girl.
It's not even a cross.
Okay.
I know.
I find the profession empowering.
So I'm really glad that it's not the opposite.
What we're getting.
I found no.
I mean, yeah, I find our profession empowering.
Oh, okay.
Azalia, you were on the show before, had lots of disagreements there.
What was the big thing that I oh my god, we are not doing this tonight.
We're not doing this tonight.
I love it.
What were we?
Because I would take it back anyways.
I like looped myself into something and I couldn't go back on it.
So I was just doubling down.
No, but I honestly I don't We were we were talking about who has a harder time in like getting not sex.
Was it specifically sex or getting or dating?
I thought it was dating in general.
Well, I think it was it could have been both.
We might have been talking about who's is dating harder for men or women and then getting laid who has it harder.
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was.
Wait, so hold on.
You're backing, you're walking back.
I'm walking back.
No, but okay, but you have to, you have to hear me out.
I don't disagree with everything I said.
do think that women do go up to men in bars and they actually like do talk to them and ask men out i would say okay you're correct in your erroneous erroneous i'm I'm agreeing with you.
No, no, no, no.
But like that.
But what I'm walking back is my point in saying that was I think that dating is more difficult for men and they have less options because of the way that they treat women and these boxes that they place women in.
And that was my point.
Erroneous.
Errone.
I disavow.
Wait, what?
I was going to say, I think dating is also harder for women in the sense, in the sense, context, right?
A little posture check just so we can get you closer to like, yeah, it's all good.
I think dating is harder for women in the sense that it's like, oh, women are socially conditioned to like fear and be wary of men.
So, you know, every single time a guy comes up and does the courage to ask the girl out, she has to go through like a million possibilities of like, can I trust him?
Is he safe?
Is he going to put something in my drink?
If I don't reject him in the right way, is he going to get aggressive?
Is he going to call me a bitch?
Blah, blah, blah.
So I think that makes dating really difficult for women.
But I think ultimately it affects both negatively because now everyone's paranoid and worried about each other.
I mean, like, we literally just saw that on Twitter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like this week.
The brick hurt around the world.
A woman rejected a guy and he hit her in the face of the brick.
Yeah.
Wait, do we see the video?
Like, do you actually see the video of her getting hit?
There's like the video of me in the hospital.
It's in the hospital, but she definitely got clawed.
There was another video of her after that happened.
I saw the photo of the injury and then I think I saw the video where she was blaming men for having not protected her in the situation.
But then I saw a video she had released either right before she went out where she was basically talking shit about men.
And then she was like, but I also saw, wait, no, no, no, no, no.
Hold on.
There was another video that came out where, fuck, what did she do?
She like she slapped a guy.
It was a skit, though.
What?
It was a skit.
All of her content prior to that, they were skits.
It even said in her bio, like all work is consensual, blah, blah, blah.
Well, she could say that as like a plausible denied, like, but it looked like a skit.
Like, it looked like she hit him pretty fucking hard, if I recall.
I mean, it could be a kink thing.
Who knows?
I don't know.
Like, but again, when she's in the situation, the people that are for him to like throw a woman, a brick at her.
But do you think that's a shit?
Obviously it's not.
I'm just saying, I'm just making the point of like, I don't know.
I'm not trying to defend this guy for like throwing a brick at her, but I'm just like, if it's maybe a kink, like, I don't know.
But if it's consensual, if it's consensual and she's hitting him in the face and that's what he wants, that's completely different than her saying, no, I don't want your number and somebody picking up a brick and smashing her in the face.
Those are completely different scenarios.
Like they're not even compared.
If it is a kink, but you were just like throwing it out there.
Because it could be.
If it's consensual, we don't, but it's a skit.
So obviously the slap was consensual, whether it was a kink or not.
The way she was acting in the video, she seemed pretty fucking loose.
Not in a sexual sense, but like loosen her behavior.
I mean, if you're acting.
Does that justify?
Yeah, that doesn't justify that.
No, I'm not saying it justifies anybody being physically assaulted, but if you're acting like a fucking lunatic, like there's other crazy people out there that don't have the like that don't abide by the social contract contract.
And if you tread on them in any way, they're going to be like, fuck this person.
I'm a smash him in the face with the bricks.
You should get punched.
Do you not hear?
Do you believe that Nazis should get punched out of curiosity?
Do I believe...
This is an interesting question.
Well, I don't think that I object to Nazis, certainly.
Do I think we'd have to define specifically what you mean by Nazi and then what are they saying?
But across the board, I'm against physical violence.
Okay, so you agree with the brick scenario.
It's like you're against it, right?
I'm against it, but like, is it shocking to me if you go out in public and you're like talking shit to people?
I don't know what this woman did.
So I'm only speculating.
I saw one video where she was really acting.
It seemed like she was acting very, very wild.
If you go out in public, I don't know if she was in some like bar environment where alcohol is involved.
Like if you're acting like a fucking moron in an environment where people are drinking heavily and you're like antagonizing people, not everybody has their head screwed on straight.
So you gotta like, like, there's a lot of, I mean, there's a lot of violence when you're out at bars and clubs.
People constantly get into fights.
If it wasn't the case, they wouldn't need bouncers.
They wouldn't need securities in nightclub environments.
So she was out night on the town.
Again, I don't know the full details.
I don't know the full context of what happened.
I didn't see all the videos.
I did see a video.
She was acting like pretty out of pocket with some of her shit.
So should she have been physically assaulted?
No.
But like, if it's not surprising.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, I'm sure.
I see where you're coming from.
agree with you like if i if i go to a dangerous neighborhood and i'm antagonizing the people in the neighborhood like you're asking for it i'm asked like it's no i agree with you I'm just curious.
We can't really say anything without the full context.
Right.
That's a problem.
Yeah, I didn't see the full videos.
Anyways.
Because if what she's saying is accurate, obviously, again, we don't know.
But if what she's saying is accurate and a man asked her for her phone number and she rejected him and his response was to pick up a brick and hit her in the face, I think that there is no justification whether her prior content pictured her slapping men consensually or whatever the case may be.
It doesn't justify it.
Obviously, those men don't know that she has these skits online and that that's the type of person she is when she got hit in the face.
So there is no justification of it.
Right.
If the details are guy approached her, she rejected him.
He picks up a brick and smashes her in the face, absolutely wrong.
Right.
If a girl rejects you, oh, hey, nice to meet you.
Have a good night.
Like, that's it.
It's just move on, you know?
I mean, I guess.
But let's move on from that.
It's kind of irrelevant.
Well, what I was unrelated.
Let me just repeat.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Sorry.
I just have, I have one more thing to say.
Related to the bricks?
Well, it's tying back into what we were talking about before.
That's why what she was saying about women when we get approached in bars or whatever, because we do have to have that process and that analysis of the potential things that could possibly happen when a man asks to take us out or get our phone number or whatever the case may be.
So that's the only thing I wanted to say.
And that's why your point made sense and why we brought it up in the first place.
But we just have to think about it.
Let me ask you a question, Pixie.
So if I went out to like a bar and I walked up to a guy with not threatening physical violence, but I just started calling him a pussy over and over.
You might say that it would be wrong for him to physically attack me.
But should I be surprised if he does?
No, like that's, yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, okay, so like I wouldn't be surprised.
Like if I just walked up to a big dude and I was like, dude, you're a fucking pussy.
Like I'm like, there's a pretty good chance.
Like I might get hit.
Should I get hit?
No.
But I shouldn't be surprised when I do.
So let's see.
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First initial last name.
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Leher?
Leher?
T. Leher.
Last name is pronounced like dragon's lair.
Teleher.
Tele.
Last name literally means teacher, specifically a male teacher.
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Let's see here.
We have.
Wait, hold on.
Trying to pull up my notes here.
Wait, what was it?
Did you have something?
I know you had a message.
I had messaged you.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, it was so long ago.
I have a question for you.
Yes, go ahead.
I know previously on the show, you've really been adamant about the fact that you don't want to be married.
Yeah.
Right?
But did you see?
I was watching the Andrew Tate interview with Candace Owens.
And in it, she asked him, would you ever consider getting married?
And he says, if you asked me like 10 years ago, I would say no, but now I'm not opposed to it.
So I was wondering what your thoughts on that were.
Okay, it's interesting.
So when it comes to Andrew Tate, first off, he says 10 years ago, but he did an interview on your mom's house podcast where, and this must have been, it was within the past two years he did this interview, I think.
And he was very, as recently as two years ago, very much against marriage for some of the same reasons that I've articulated on this show.
But so your question to me is, why am I against marriage?
Yeah, I guess are you like persuaded at all by he seems to have been persuaded away?
Because when he was giving his answers, I was like, oh my god, that sounds exactly like what Brian says for all of the reasons that you give for why you're against marriage.
Sure.
But then he says to Candace that he has changed his mind and now would be open to it.
So I'm wondering if maybe you've found your thoughts changing at all.
Sure.
Well, I mean, I think I can say this about Andrew Tate: he was an atheist and then he became Christian and then he converted, or I think they call it reversion.
Are you familiar with that?
Well, in any case, he reverted to Islam and he became a Muslim.
And I think him getting very much involved with religion has reshaped his view on marriage.
But I don't think it does.
I don't think that dismisses some of the concerns he previously raised or some concerns that I've raised in the past.
So, you know, I actually, it's not so much that I have a problem with marriage, it's that I have a problem with divorce.
So marriage is one of the things.
Well, that's true.
It's just it's a risk.
Divorce is to make a good choice.
But obviously, if you get married, one of the potential negative outcomes from that would be divorce.
Now, from a religious perspective, I don't object to divorce at all.
But when it comes to, you know, most marriages, you go to the courthouse, you go to the state, you get a marriage license.
That gives you certain benefits, but I'm very much against it because in divorce, you have alimony.
If there's a divorce, let's say whoever's the breadwinner, you got to pay for your own lawyer.
You got to pay for their lawyer.
It's just very financially risky.
It's very expensive.
And alimony comes in.
We have Kevin Costner, who we're in Santa Barbara.
They're in the Santa Barbara courthouse because the divorce is being overseen by the county of Santa Barbara.
They just awarded his wife like 100,000, I don't know the exact number, $150,000.
This isn't exact, guys.
Don't quote me, but around $150,000 a month in child support.
And you hear all these stories of these celebrities.
Obviously, I know celebrities aren't perfect examples, but you hear, or just even wealthy people, and they get destroyed in marriage.
The alimony, the contentious divorce, you got to pay for both the lawyers.
It's absurd.
Do you think if you fell in love with a girl who really wanted to get married, maybe because she was religious, maybe she's not religious and marriage is just important to her, do you think you would consider it?
Or do you think still, you know, it's still a hard no, no matter what?
There's no open door.
There's more, there's no open to it, no matter who the partner is.
Because I'm assuming you're not, you know, you're not foolish.
You're not going to marry just any woman.
If you were to get married, it would be with someone you're very certain about.
I think it would be a good choice.
But basically, are you open to it at all?
Especially if it was important to a woman you cared about?
I mean, it would.
Or is it just you think it's a deal breaker?
Well, me caring about a woman does nothing to remedy my concerns when it comes to divorce.
I wouldn't, I don't want to 100% rule out marriage, but this woman would have to be so compelling.
Like, I would have to be so sure.
The largest lady.
about to say the same thing oh is that is that what you were no it's i have something else to say but i was about to say that too um I guess my question would be.
I'll answer your question, but go ahead.
Sorry.
I was just about to say, what about if you got a prenup?
Because then that could take away some of the financial aspect of the divorce and kind of keep you in the clear if that happened.
What if you fell in love with a woman and she was okay with doing that?
Would that be something then that you might be more inclined to consider?
Okay, so as far as the prenup goes, no prenup is going to save you if the woman is motivated enough because all she has to say is, well, I was coerced into it.
And, you know, I thought he would, you know, not want to, you know, stay with, you know, whatever.
So you can make up a whole bunch of stuff.
Here's the thing.
Kevin Costner, who had a prenup, ironclad prenup, had lawyers review it.
It wasn't just some, oh, let's download a prenup from the internet.
No, Kevin Costner had prenups drafted up by probably the most competent lawyers in California.
Maybe, I don't know if they were in Santa Barbara, and it doesn't really matter.
And his wife is challenging the prenup in court.
So even if there is a prenup, and even if the prenup is rock solid, there's still an opening for a woman to challenge the prenup.
And that opens up, okay, cool, let's litigate it.
I still have to pay for your attorney, so now I'm paying for my attorney to defend the prenup, which we agreed to, and I have to pay for your attorney who's litigating this.
Basically, with Kevin Costner, very wealthy actor.
He's got like a, I don't know, $10 million, $15 million property in Montecito, just outside of Santa Barbara.
The prenup said that if she initiated a divorce, she'd have to move out of the family house.
She would get $1.5 million just immediately.
But that would be the extent of any sort of alimony payments, I think.
So right now she's just going after child support so the kids can keep up their lives to the tune of $150,000 a month.
So prenups constantly get challenged and sometimes even thrown out.
We had this happen with Dr. Dre.
He had a prenup.
Prenups are not ironclad.
And like I said, if you are motivated enough as a woman, you can just prenup is not going to save you financially if she's motivated enough.
Or he's motivated.
Sure.
Let's go.
Well, sure, but you're right.
Sure, but you're asking me.
You're asking about my specific, and I wouldn't marry a man.
But I mean, I would just also say you just never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
So marriage is a contract.
Again, I don't object to it from a religious perspective.
Like getting married, cool, that's wonderful.
However, and I kind of always say this, but if your wife decides to divorce you, she's not going to turn to her religion to help preside over the divorce.
She's going to go to the state.
And the state presides ultimately over the financial components of your marriage.
So this idea that, okay, we'll just marry a really religious woman.
Well, okay, when you get a divorce, she's not going to God.
She's not going to her pastor.
She's not going to her priest.
She's not going to the church.
She's going to the state.
You're saying when, though.
So I, personally, I think if you are open to the possibility of divorce, you shouldn't get married in the first place.
So I guess my assumption here is you're going into, I wouldn't, it's a hard no on marriage because there's a possibility of divorce.
She could divorce me and then the risk is too much.
I just personally, I honestly just don't think like if you are open to the idea of divorce, I don't think you should be getting married.
I think you should be doing the coupling.
Can I ask you a question?
And I'll try to reel you guys in here in a sec.
Would you want your doctor to disclose to you, let's say you're about to undergo a procedure, a surgery.
Would you want your doctor to disclose to you the potential complications of undertaking the procedure?
In fact, they're legally compelled to disclose.
But I assume you'd want your doctor to tell you, well, there's a 10% chance of this.
You're going to have X, Y, Z. There's a chance of, it depends on the fucking procedure.
You know, you could have whatever.
I get where you're going.
It just comes down to picking a good partner.
So if you're thinking of, I'm assuming here you would only ever get married if you genuinely, this isn't just because like you're like, oh, I got no other, like I'm bored.
Like I don't want to be lonely.
I'm going to do this because I'm just like afraid to, like, I don't want to be not married.
I mean, like, I'm assuming you would only marry someone if you were, if you knew for certain their values, you knew them very well.
You knew they themselves were not open to the possibility of divorce.
Sure, but let me ask you a question.
How many people who do get married think that exact same way about their partner?
How many people who get married think, I'm going to spend the rest of my life with this person?
How many people think when they are getting married, yeah, we're probably going to be divorced?
Like most people, I assume going into marriage.
I think the possibility of divorce is very present to the majority of people nowadays who are getting married.
Think of like Imrata, who Candace mentioned.
She's, you know, the idea of making it trendy to be divorced by 30.
If divorce is normalized, what I'm saying is open to the possibility of divorce.
Clearly, the majority of people are very open to the possibility of divorce if it's a trendy thing or super normalized to get divorced is what I mean.
Is what I mean.
Are you sorry?
Are you planning to have children or no?
I'd like to have children.
Do you think that being in a two-parent household that's like married is better than a non-married household?
I suppose there are certain tax benefits, I guess, if you're married that are, in my view, fairly minimal.
I guess because you could file your taxes a little differently.
The only other benefit that I see is when it comes to your estate, if you die and you're married, I don't, but I'm not an estate attorney, so I don't know.
But it's not clear to me.
Let me paint a scenario for everybody.
I know I'll get you in and I'll get you in here in just a sec.
Let me paint a scenario, right?
So you got two couples.
One gets married, one doesn't.
They stay together for their entire lives.
They both have three children.
There's no infidelity.
They're monogamous.
What's the difference?
Yeah, no.
I don't think what is.
Anybody?
I don't see the difference in terms.
Like, if we're speaking on benefits, but there's often this argument of, well, marriage is beneficial to society, but it's not clear.
Like, if you have, you could basically replicate exactly what you have in the marriage, stay together for the rest of your life, have kids.
You don't need to be married to have kids.
You don't need to be married to stay together for the rest of your life and be monogamous and love each other.
So it's not clear to me, like, what, what is the benefit for marriage besides tradition and for religious reasons?
I agree.
Based.
Are you wanting to have like a wedding?
Like, not saying like to get married and some kind of waste of money.
Yeah, you think this guy's spending money around party.
I don't know.
Yeah, you're going to actually get married.
because i feel like the only kind of woman that you're gonna be interested in brian is gonna be i feel like the only type of woman you would feel happy settling for not just settling for but being with is a woman who takes things like marriage Like, I just don't see you with a woman who's like atheist and wouldn't want to get married or like something like that.
Unless you see them very much.
You're just being religious and not want to get married.
Yeah, we're just religious and not want to get married.
I don't like that.
Okay, so this kind of, like, if I can almost tie this into promiscuity, virginity, low body count a little bit.
But so you're saying that the type of woman that I would be attracted to is likely to be religious.
Yeah, I just feel like.
I disagree.
Because, okay, well, let's say one of my standards or preferences are maybe I just don't know you that well, but maybe you don't, but well, I think this idea that like conservative women or religious women have some like exclusive claim to virginity or non-promiscuity is kind of fallacious and fallacious.
No, I think it's I think I well, I think it's erroneous because I think like I think you can be a liberal or moderate or apolitical woman or even an atheist and have desirable traits and values, at least when it comes to like non-promiscuity, not having a low body count or even being a virgin.
Now, do I think it's maybe the case that liberal women compared to conservative women, they're more likely to Engage?
Like I would just say it's more likely, probably.
But then there's a lot of there are a fair amount of conservative women who they be fucking too, so but I would say generally probably, conservative women are probably lean more towards like promise or not, excuse me non-promiscuity virginity, low body count, etc.
So I don't think like, just bringing back to what you said, I don't think that in order for me to find the type of girl that I want, she necessarily has to be yeah conservative, definitely not.
Or it's just more likely.
It's just honestly, especially today.
I just genuinely think it's just more likely that she'll probably end up being religious and then probably care to get married.
It's just like my guess.
I mean a lot of religious women, though they got a past.
I'm not saying all relig, I'm not saying all girls who are religious or conservative are not promiscuous.
I'm not saying all girls that are liberal or atheist are sluts.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying that it's more.
I mean I've just found this personally in my own life like the closer I've gotten in my, the more religious I've become over time, the more like obvious and clear it is that promiscuity is bad and doesn't serve me in the ways that maybe I felt like I was taught growing up.
Yeah, it might be easier for me to find a partner that that matches or meets my criteria, or whatever.
Who's religious she it a religious woman might be more likely to fall within my criteria.
Actually speaking of which Lily, last time you were on the show I already know what you're about to ask me yes, last time you were on the show.
So okay you're.
You're, you're Christian conservative, correct?
Yes, you.
And last time on the show you said you're waiting until marriage.
Is that correct?
Yes okay, but you said that this I think you were on the show a month ago.
Yeah, that I had a miss-up.
You had a miss-up.
Yes, I did.
It's a mess up, like I.
I made a promise to myself and the Lord months ago that I was gonna save myself for marriage and start over and look for the man that I'm gonna spend the rest of my life with, and then there was a mistake, and admitting that is I don't find shame in it either to also be I slept with somebody in the time period that I promised that I wouldn't and I made a mistake and I'm sinful and you know I regret it and of course, I regret it because I made a promise to myself and made a promise to the Lord.
But any updates we asked because I told you you need to come back on in a month or two and give us an update if you've stayed true.
I have stayed true.
You've stayed true.
Okay, why do you think that happened?
What do you think influenced that for you?
It was an ex-boyfriend, right?
Oh yes, and a lot of things.
Just throughout my life, I feel like I've been seen as an object, being a woman, being somewhat attractive and any relationship that I've ever been in or dated men, even on the internet, like getting direct messages and comments and stuff, I don't know.
I just I feel like an object and I don't want the person that I'm gonna be with to see me like that and if They are wanting to be with me as a soul and take care of who I am as a person, they are going to be willing to wait.
Wait, I'm a little confused.
What is the object thing that you're talking about?
I'm a little confused.
Like a sexual object.
Do you view yourself as a person?
No, men view me as a sexual object.
And how that is.
They objectify me.
How so?
They view me as a body in a meatbag and not as a person who has a soul.
Wait, are you talking about the men you've had relationships with?
Yes.
Even the men you've had sex with and who you've had relationships with, they view you as a meatbag?
Absolutely.
I've been in relationships with men who were narcissists and sociopaths.
That's not the first time I've heard that.
And they might not say that directly to you, but when you're in a relationship with somebody for three years and they're a sociopath, they say it in as many ways as they possibly can without saying it straight up.
A little guy that was like the little guy.
Well, a little guy.
It was like a little thing.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like a situation shit.
A shit situation.
That's a good one.
Shitty shit shit situation.
Yeah.
okay and when you and i've been there within situations dating somebody and you find this trust with them and you're sleeping with them and you think that there's a commitment and all of a sudden there's not Because there's a lot of men are using you and they're tempted by lust with other things.
Sorry, I don't want to treat you.
No, it's okay.
So you had been a virgin up until a few months ago when you were no, I was born again.
They became in Christian terms, like born again.
When did you lose your virginity?
At what age?
I'm not sure.
I don't want to disclose that.
Okay, that's fine.
That's personal.
I mean, I totally relate to what you're saying as far as men viewing you as an object.
That's why I was celibate pretty much for years before I met my boyfriend.
But you found somebody that loves you and what's going on.
Yeah, well, and that's why, like, obviously it changed, and he's wonderful.
So I didn't want to wait until marriage.
It wasn't like that for me, but I wanted to find somebody that respected me and would wait and would hold out and wanted and liked me as a person.
Exactly.
Wanted me as a person because you can't tell a lot of the time.
And then when you do withhold it, you see, like over those two years, the amount of time I would date, they're like, what do you mean?
What do you mean I don't get to sleep?
What do you mean?
And I'll feel like entitled to your body.
Yes, wait, wait, wait.
Can you just the entitled to your body thing?
Are you saying within a relationship?
Yes.
Yes.
In a relationship or even when you're just starting to date somebody.
I've been on dates with men only like a couple weeks in and they are assuming that it is they're getting something out of me.
I'm like, dude.
And the amount of pressure that some of the men will put on you is so like it was actually insane when I did like when I went celibate how much pressure was put on.
You don't even let me celibate.
Yeah, because then you like make it clear and they're like, what?
Again, you set a boundary and they get angry with you.
Yeah, setting boundaries.
When you both opted to become celibate, were you in the middle of a relationship?
No.
No, I've been single for a while.
Okay, because like, I mean, if you were previously like got into a relationship.
And I was sleeping with the person and all that.
And as an expectation, no, not that at all.
I mean, personally, I see dating as a pathway to marriage.
And so, I mean, you kind of, when you take something that you was already in the relationship away, that's different.
Yeah.
It was more so after a relationship had ended.
And then I kind of like looked back on my relationships and my past experiences.
And I was like, I really don't like the way that certain situationships have made me feel.
And I don't feel the need to go and sleep with people, like, especially validation.
So something.
Right.
So I was like, I'm just going to make this decision to really start actually dating somebody and see if they actually want to get to know me.
And then if not, fuck off.
Yeah.
Do you think that when you were in your like early, especially the early stages of your like relationships with men where you were feeling objectified, do you think like the guys that you were seeing might have been more likely to objectify you because they knew what you were doing for work?
Um, no, because I, so I was in a relationship prior to my OnlyFans and then I started OnlyFans.
I maybe had dated one person from that point on until I went celibate because I've only done OnlyFans for three years and I was celibate for two.
So, and I like, even when I was sleeping with people, it wasn't like a nightly thing or something I was going out and seeking.
It was very much so like situationships.
I very, very, very rarely in my life have had like one night stands or slept with people that I wasn't in some sort of like talking stage relationship pursuing stage for me.
So I would say no because I wasn't really like, I dated men, I guess, when I was celibate and they kind of just treated me the same as the men that I had dated prior to me starting OnlyFans.
I think that they were just objectifying me to begin with well before I started anything like that.
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Yeah.
So I went on a hinge date one time with this guy.
Essie, that is so rude.
I have to leave it as well.
I'm texting right now.
Oh my God.
Super rude.
Stop.
You know, I love you guys.
I'm not being rude.
Go ahead.
But anyway.
Like, she's in the middle of talking and you're just not going to give her your full present attention, Essie.
I think you owe her an apology.
I'll give you a kiss.
So what happened was the guy ended up wanting to take me on like a little cruise and on like a date.
And so when we got to his house, or when we got to the restaurant and we had our food, we went to go pick up the car that was valet parked.
And it was like a Lamborghini.
And I was like, okay, cool, or whatever.
You know what I mean?
So we get in the car, we go for a little joyride, and we had plans to go out to the shooting range to shoot some guns and stuff like that.
And I think he thought that just because he had a Lamborghini and we went on a little joyride or whatever, that he was like going to get laid.
So we pulled up to his house and I was like sitting there like, okay, like waiting to go gun shooting and stuff like that.
And then he like busts out the wine and he's like, let's Netflix and chill.
And I'm like, I'm not Netflix and chilling with you.
And then he's like, let's get in the hot tub and the jacuzzi.
And I'm like, oh my God, okay, cool.
So we get in the hot tub in the jacuzzi.
And then he's like, oh, like, let's shower so that we can go to the gun range.
So we go to the shower and he's like butt naked.
And mind you, like, I'm wearing my bathing suit and I'm looking at him like, oh my God, what the heck?
And he's like staring at me like this.
And he's like, give me a hug.
And I was like, I'm not giving you a hug.
And he was like, he, I knew that he thought that that was really weird, but I was really weirded out and grossed out.
And I was like, what the fuck?
So he showered and I just like showered in another room and put my clothes on or whatever.
And then he took me home from the date.
And then.
So you didn't go shoot guns.
We didn't go shoot guns.
Oh, so he wanted to have sex.
Like his entire plan was like, I'm going to pick her up in a Lamborghini and I'm going to give her a little joyride.
And by the time she gets to my house, she's going to be so like, oh my God, Lamborghini, her panties are going to be on the floor.
And it was like, okay, well, I didn't want that to happen.
So we were driving back home and he dropped me off at my house and I was like, oh, I had a really good time with you.
Like, I can't wait to hang out with you again or whatever.
And he was like, I'm going to let my personal assistant know to ship back your bathing suit.
And I was like, what?
Wow.
I was like, what do you mean?
I can't just go get my bathing suit.
He's like, I'm going to have my personal assistant ship you your bathing suit back.
Wait, so just one point of clarification.
Was this before you started prostituting?
He didn't know about my occupations.
This was a hinge date.
Wait, hold on.
Wait, hold on.
You're currently on Hinge or you were on Hinge?
No, I was on Hinge.
This was like six months ago or something like that in Arizona.
You don't say on your Hinge profile, hey, by the way, guys.
No, and that's irrelevant.
To be honest.
Yeah, and that's irrelevant from the story completely.
Do you put your social media or anything on your own?
Okay, you don't have to talk about that.
So then you're interrupting me.
Now you're interrupting me, Miss Candace.
Now you're interrupting me.
Now you're interrupting me.
I have.
Stop, stop, stop.
I have a further point of clarification.
So, okay, fine.
You didn't put it on your Hinge profile, but like before going on the date, you thought about telling him, by the way, I'm a prostitute.
So I was going on a date with this guy to see if he was fun.
That doesn't matter.
My occupation was not the matter of the topic.
The point of the conversation, anyway, back on track, was the point that when he dropped me off, he wanted to have his personal assistant freaking send me my bathing suit.
And I was like, wait, why?
What the heck?
And he was like, because we stood there.
I was stood in front of you butt naked after the jacuzzi thinking you were going to have sex with me and you were the only girl that's ever seen me butt naked and didn't want to have sex with me.
That is so weird.
Well, this is a man that didn't know that.
I mean, that's a pretty weird story.
And this was a man that did not know my profession.
And that's my point: men are freaking weird.
And why did I even have to disclose before a date what I did was weird?
Or why do I have to disclose my occupation before a date when men are over here acting like this?
I don't really, I don't really follow the logic on there because his behavior doesn't really have anything to do with what I would imagine is an important disclosure prior to meeting somebody.
But I mean, let me ask.
Let's say you did like the guy.
He didn't do this fucking weird, goofy shit.
Would you have disclosed prior to having sex that you're a prostitute?
I was never going to have sex with the hinge date.
But like if eventually you're saying if you liked the guy and at some point you wanted to have sex with him, would you have disclosed to him that you're a prostitute?
In my dating life, if I'm out here at a bar, whatever, and I meet up with a guy, it is up to me to disclose my occupation.
I don't have to tell somebody that I am a legal sex worker or another.
You're not legally compelled to do it, but it seems like it.
If I'm going to pursue a relationship with this man and be in a relationship with this guy and he's going to be my husband or whatever, yeah, I can disclose whatever I want to.
But I don't.
What do you mean, you want to?
No, I said if I ever would want to be in a relationship with a man or be married or whatever, I have no problem with disclosing that.
At what point would you disclose?
But I will not be disclosing my occupation with just strangers.
But at what point would you disclose to a guy?
If I was ready for a serious relationship or a marriage.
Don't worry.
It's just some people yelling outside.
But you know what I mean, though?
It's like, I, are you using protection when you're, yes, of course.
So.
So I work at the Bunny Ranch brothel.
At the Bordello.
It's the Bunny Ranch brothel, and all the ladies on site are SCD checked once a week for SCDs and for HIV and AIDS once a month by blood.
So all the ladies there are tested and we are super clean, get tested regularly, weekly.
I mean, I would rather have sex with her knowing that she is a working girl out of brothel and I would not have sex with you knowing that you are just a regular person.
You know what I mean?
I feel more safe working and having sex.
Kind of throwing SC under the bus then.
No, I don't think it's valid.
I think it's valid, but she's not.
Well, yeah, like I'm sorry, because I'm very conscious.
And as a brothel worker, this isn't, I'm not no hooker off the street.
We are very high end.
Our prices are very high end.
Most guys come into our establishments with chump money.
You know what I mean?
Like you can't get anything like with that price, right?
But, okay, so, hold on.
So, the question is, though, at what point would you disclose to...
I just answered that five times.
I said I would disclose my career to my husband or to my boyfriend.
I do not need to disclose my career.
How long, if the girls had to wager, how long from first date, first meeting a guy to becoming boyfriend, does it usually take?
A couple months?
I'm not looking for a serious relationship right now.
You just said, well, you put it up.
If I hypothetically was looking for a serious relationship, I would tell them straight up off the bat.
Like first date.
Yeah.
But going into a date knowing that I'm not going to be dating this person and we're just going to be fucking for a night or two, why do I have to disclose that information?
I don't.
Do you feel like part of it is a safety reason?
Like, do you feel like if they know, they'll be.
It's my business.
It's my life.
It's my job.
If I don't want to disclose my job to anybody, I don't have to.
Also, if you're being safe, then I don't see a problem with the sex aspect.
Exactly.
I mean, if this is not somebody you're looking at as like somebody that you're looking at as a future serious partner and it's a one-night stand situation or like telling you who you're sleeping with.
And as long as you're being safe, because I think safety is the biggest aspect, and let's be real.
Most people out there in the dating world are not getting tested as regularly.
Get tested after every partner.
It's so important to wear condoms and get tested.
Here's a really good question.
Here's a really good question.
For all the viewers out there.
If, okay, if you were on a first date with a guy and you were maybe thinking, eh, this is going to be more casual.
And he, you have no idea how he knew.
He was just like randomly asking shit, do you work at a carnival?
Do you work at a zoo?
Are you a prostitute?
If he asked you, I can't imagine any dude on the first date asking a girl this question.
By the way, Becky, and he asked you straight up, are you a prostitute?
Would you say yes?
Yes.
I'm the very true prostitute.
Would you become honest?
I'm not offended by that question.
No.
Because if you ask me, I'm not very easily offended.
I am a legal prostitute.
And that's my term that I like to use.
I know you don't like to use that term, but for me, I mean, I am what I am, and I'm a legal prostitute, a legal hooker, whatever the fuck you want to call it.
You know what I mean?
And I have no problem with being honest if the question arises.
But so you say you were on dating apps, you were on Hinge, right?
You're meeting up with these guys and you don't put it on your pinge.
You don't really tell them beforehand.
If they ask what you do for work, what do you tell them?
Because that's typically on a date.
That's a very common thing.
Honestly, a lot of the guys that I talk to on Hinge when I just want to hang out with somebody like in town, if I'm in a new town or whatever, usually they don't really ask me what I do for work.
Really?
It doesn't, I mean, I feel like on a date, that's pretty common.
Like, just, hey, what do you do for work?
I honestly think it depends on the type of date because I've been on dates with men who don't ask me that because they're seeking something else.
They don't actually care about me.
But if a man's looking for a relationship and I'm looking for a relationship, the first thing I'm asking them is, do you have a job?
What do you do?
How much money do you make?
And not the money part, but I mean, eventually you get to that point because you end up knowing what they do.
You want to find out.
Yeah, because I want to know what job do you have?
And if they tell me that they have a certain job, I'm going to assume.
So I am in school.
And so, I mean, if they ask me, like, what job I have, I am open to telling them that I dance and stuff like that.
Look, I tell them.
Move however you want.
My own personal perspective, and we're going to ask the chat here in just a sec.
If I was on Hinge and I was about to go on a date with a girl, I would honestly want to know straight up before even the date, either through text.
You don't have to have it on your profile, but pretty early on, I would want a disclosure on if she was a prostitute.
Oh, yeah.
Let's ask the chat.
Chat, would you want the girl to disclose before you meet in person if she does prostitution?
Can you scroll that down?
One in the chat.
One in the chat if you'd want disclosure.
Two in the chat if you don't care.
And this is, and we're talking about like serious.
Most guys care.
You know, because I'm going on hinge.
I'm always serious.
I'm going on hinge.
I'm not looking for a serious relationship.
You know what I mean?
I feel like most people are going to be a little bit more reliable.
I'm going to go to hinges.
Yeah.
And I put that in my theme.
I'm looking for a long term or a short-term thing because I'm not looking to, you know.
And when I do hook up with guys for fun, and that's what I'm saying, like, I don't feel the need to say nothing about it because I don't want a relationship right now.
So if I'm looking for a partner, I don't think I necessarily would be okay with that.
But if we're just having sex, then what's the expectation?
And when I am looking for a partner or whatever, I will 100% disclose that information right off the bat.
You know what I mean?
So it's like.
Yeah.
I would just consider disclosing, even for short term.
Think about it.
Do you think a man of their business?
Do you think a man who sleeps around probably equally as much should disclose to me that he's four?
But they don't.
I want you to disclose to me how many girls are in your Snapchat right before we start talking then.
A little different.
Here's the mirror image.
If I was a male prostitute that was sleeping with five new women a day for money, yes, in that same situation, I think he should disclose to the women he's going to date.
By the way, I am a male prostitute.
I sleep with women for money.
I don't have a double standard on this one.
The argument essentially boils down to: should you tell a person something that's going to risk them sleeping with you, right?
If you think, oh, I'm going, are they going to say no once they find out this information?
Should you disclose it ahead of time?
Let me also.
Let me add one other layer to this.
So let's remove the relationship component.
Me as a guy, and I'm not particular, I'm very much not interested in short-term casual sex.
Sleeping with a girl one time is, I have very little interest in that.
If I sleep with a girl, I want there to be a continuity.
But let's assume that I was interested in a one-night stand or a fuck buddy casual sex.
Low-value man.
I would still want disclosure under those circumstances.
I owe you nothing.
I owe you nothing.
I literally owe you nothing but healthy, protected sex.
No, you don't owe, I don't owe, I don't think that I need to tell you anything, really, besides having safe sex.
I think morally, I think you, it would be appropriate.
I kind of agree with you, Brian, but then it comes down to the fact that that's also a risk that you're undertaking when you're having casual sex, right?
You don't not really forming a relationship with this person.
You don't really know them.
So yeah, you're risking the fact that like they're not going to care about 100% what you care about.
So that's where I kind of like diverge.
That's a fair point.
In terms of, hey, if you're engaging in casual sex, one-night stands, you are taking risks because you haven't had an opportunity to properly vet the person for a variety of different things.
But in my stance, I still think even within a casual sex scenario, one-night stand, I think disclosure would be warranted.
LA Surfer for Life, no hate, but men can sense put probably wait, hold on.
I got something for that.
Hey.
It doesn't protect you from HIV or parasites, but that's why you wear protection.
Hooker vibes.
He probably just sensed, thought you were down to Smash.
I mean, if he played his cards right, would he have been able to get down with you?
Also, those STD tests don't protect you from HPV and parasites.
That's why you get the HPV shot.
That's why you use a condom.
That's why you use protection.
What about herpes?
I don't think they test for herpes.
And that's why we do DCs.
At every brothel, we give DCs, which are dicks checks.
We make sure there's no lesions, warts, any of that stuff.
What if it's like pre-les?
Wait, hold on.
Like pre, like he could be, he could be shedding or whatever, but there would be no way for you to wear a herpes.
Wait, question.
If you're a girl and you have herpes, can you still work?
I don't believe so.
No.
But they don't really test.
I don't think they test for herpes.
But if I'll know what the test is.
I'm pretty sure they test it.
Yeah, they're testing for.
I know in the porn industry, I think they don't test for HPV and herpes because it's a paper.
Well, they test for HIV and AIDS by blood once a month.
Yeah, but I mean, herpes, that's for life, son.
Nobody, it's never been reported that anybody that have had sex at the brothels have had STDs.
We have in brothels.
Yeah.
We haven't had any issues.
Any legal brothel winning.
Nobody have had an STD.
None of the working girls.
The state of Nevada picks the doctors, so there's no corruption.
So if a girl tests dirty, she doesn't work.
Look, all I'm saying is, if I'm about to have a one-night stand with a girl, which I don't do one-night stands, at least tell me if you're a fucking prostitute.
That's all I'm asking.
Tell me if you're a prostitute.
That's it.
You know?
I can give you that.
I fucked five dudes yesterday for money.
You know, at least I feel like you're focused on long-term relationships.
What is it going to be?
What is happening?
What is your mind?
What if she just fucked five dudes for you?
I was going to ask that.
She was just straight dressed fucking all the time.
Is it like the four money?
That's right.
Well, that's bad too.
It's not just that it's for money.
But would you want her to be like, hey, do you think that women disclose who they're sleeping with?
You should just ask her one night.
It's a one-night stand.
It's like, if you don't hear that she fucked five dudes before you, then why do you care about my prostitution?
I feel like if you want to know, she fucked five dudes before you care.
But she fucked five dudes before you and now it's a one-night stand.
Wait, what do you mean?
Hypothetically speaking, this girl from Hinge that you're about to go see, this one-night stand girl, she fucked five dudes on a one-night stand with Hinge.
And now she's coming to you, and now she's like, hey, dude, I fucked five dudes from this Hinge, dude, one night stand.
Ha ha.
Fucking disgusting.
Hell no.
But you wouldn't know.
But she wouldn't know.
That's the same shit.
That is what I'm saying.
Here's the thing.
Like, she might not vocalize it, but I feel like you can't tell.
You can tell.
Listen, there are some girls that are very unassuming.
You would never think that they're promiscuous, that they sleep with a lot of men.
Maybe they're a bit demure.
They're a bit shy.
They're a bit reserved.
And they be fucking.
That's fair.
However, there's definitely some women.
There are certain behavioral traits that you can kind of be able to make an assessment of, like, this chick's a hoe.
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
Well, but I think girls who are dressed like super sexy, who look super sexual, and they don't, they don't have to.
I was about to say, like, I feel like people would have made those assumptions about me when I was celibate.
Like, I mean, you can assume whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.
Sure.
But, but even, okay, so you're saying that, well, as a guy, you might actually, by using the sort of metrics with which men might disqualify women, you might actually lose out on like a good girl.
You absolutely could.
You absolutely.
All the more reason to adhere to a more modest, outward-facing appearance.
Yeah, if you want.
If you want to disqualify people that you don't know based off of their appearance and their assumptions, sure, but I'm not going to let somebody else's assumptions about me dictate how I dress or what I wear or what I do.
That's fine, but the way you conduct yourself does have an impact on the people that you attract into your life.
I think that's a fair assessment, yeah.
But I mean, you know, like I wear flannels, bitches ain't fucking.
No, I'm kidding.
Like, bro, every girl on the show is like, Brian, what the fuck is up with these flannels, son?
Get some new clothes.
But no, look, the way.
You think you were wearing the same flannel?
I have five different flannels.
But look, there is.
He's like a cartoon character, like a cartoon character that has like the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday fit.
It's all the same.
Are they different colors?
I have blue, green, a different red, and this, and then I have one other one.
Oh, I have black and green.
Yeah, I haven't worn that one.
I have a black and a gray.
Look, there's a lot of women that don't want to fuck with me because of the podcast, because how I dress.
I got a fucking doubt.
I don't know.
You and Bangs were this close to making out on the last podcast, I feel like.
That was cap.
You guys were going to go on a date.
No, that was for show.
That was for sure.
She was.
But I don't know.
Where are we going with this?
Well, we were just saying that you're disqualifying women based on their appearance because XYZ and the fact that you think that women should disclose who they're sleeping with before you go on a date with them.
I think a woman before she sleeps with me should have been celibate for at least a year.
That's my desire.
That is my desire.
Now, am I going to get it?
That's another question.
But yeah, it's definitely, I would much prefer, like, hey, don't fuck a dude before you're hanging out with me, you know?
But how would you know?
That's like, that's what we're saying.
Because, I mean, you're saying that she should disclose it because it's her profession.
But there could be a woman.
She could be, again, the most meek, demure, like, shy woman you've ever seen in your life.
I've known her.
Right, but so that woman, that woman, you're assuming, like, hasn't been sleeping with people.
What if she slept with the same amount of people like the day before as she did?
But it's not her profession.
So does she have to text you back and be like, hey, by the way, I fucked five dudes yesterday.
Like, that's like bizarre to think that someone would do that.
He expects.
The only difference is the money.
Yeah, because if a guy, I mean, shit, does a guy.
Okay, one night stand, man.
You need to disclose what's your credit card statement.
Yo, Lindo Nate.
Thank you.
Thank you, Lynn.
You're fucking chatting.
Thank you, Dick.
Dude, thank you so much, Lynn.
That's very generous dono, man.
Really appreciate it.
Lynn, you're a fucking legend.
Thank you, sir.
Go ahead with your.
So, yeah, it's like, okay, well, what's your credit score before we go on a date?
Before you can enter this, what's your credit score?
Enter the pussy?
Yeah, what's your credit score?
How much money in your bank account?
You know what I mean?
It's like girls ask men what they do for work.
Yeah.
But you said yourself that's a standard question.
Yeah, I think it is a standard.
I think what you do for work, whether it's romantic or not, I think it's a pretty normal question to ask somebody.
But if the guy lies about it, and it's like a one, it goes back to like what responsibility does that person have to you.
So if a guy's like, oh, I'm actually like, I don't know, a stockbroker or whatever, and it's a straight up lie.
Then it's like, okay, what did you expect from a one-night stand?
Like that you're going to truly know this person?
Like you're not.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
I'm not.
Oh, oh, yeah, people lie.
We had a girl on the show.
I'm not going to say her name, but we had a girl come on the show.
She was 19, very quiet, very shy, very, you wouldn't like soft-spoken.
You wouldn't really think that she at 19 had slept with 33 men and she had caught herpes.
Oh my God.
So she wasn't using protection?
Probably not.
Probably not.
So pretty sad.
Pretty sad.
And she's actually a very sweet girl.
And you never would have thought.
Never would have thought.
I think that's like the stigma with STIs, right?
And why people are so afraid to go get tested or be honest about their status.
Because we have this idea in society that somebody that has an STI does have to be promiscuous or does have to be like a whore or whatever the case may be when anybody can realistically get an STI.
You could have sex the first time ever and somebody could be dishonest with you and then you have herpes for the rest of your life.
I knew a girl.
Yeah, I knew a girl.
And that's obviously that person's not being promiscuous.
That person's not participating in risky behavior.
So I think that just boils down to stigma because she probably was a very sweet girl and nobody deserves that because generally if you're getting an STI, it's from somebody that was dishonest with you or wasn't getting tested.
In some cases, husbands, I've heard of husbands giving their wives and that's how they found out.
Yeah, and chlamydia is like common in housewives.
Chlamydia is common in housewives.
Can you just tilt the microphone down?
Perfect, perfect.
Pixie, what you got for us?
Oh, I was going to say a real black pill, at least when it comes to herpes, is not genital, but like the other types of herpes, like oral or whatever.
Apparently, over like 80% of the population has it because it's spread through sharing food and drink as well.
So that's really depressing.
I don't know.
90% of adults test for HSV1, which is oral.
Yeah.
And then that you can get oral just from drinking on your cup.
Or not.
Wait, it's more than 100%.
Prostitutes got my utmost respect.
Imagine how many no-game herbos would be shooting the place up.
Essential services.
Saving lives.
If Mike Davis were president, he'd invite a pack of hoes to the Oval Office and give them the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
That's right.
Thank you.
This is Mike Davis, by the way.
Hold on.
Oh, there you go.
There's the photo.
That's Mike Davis.
He owns like 300 plus Burger King restaurants across the East Coast.
I have not seen this motherfucker in so long, Mike Davis.
I still hold your picture frame dear to me.
Where you been, Mike Davis?
We had Candace Owens on.
Do you just miss Candace?
This is Candace Owens, I guess.
Candace Owens.
Not even close.
So good to see you back in the chat, Mr. Mike Davis.
Thank you very much.
Were you saying something, Pixie?
Oh, well, this is completely fucking random.
This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
I kind of wanted to talk about birth control, but we don't have to talk about that if you don't want to.
I think that's fun.
Let me, we can come to it in just a sec.
I just need to get through a couple chats here.
Here, we have the real slider brickson.
Do you strictly bring these women on your show for content reasons?
This perverse, hyper-sexualized generation of women is running this country into the ground.
How could you ladies possibly rationalize sex work as being moral?
Hashtag Christ is Lord.
Hashtag 300.
Hashtag 304.
I feel like if you if men didn't buy our OnlyFans and if men hated us so much for what we do because it's easy money, maybe don't watch it.
Because if as a male, if you guys come to a unity and say, hey, boys, let's stop watching porn so that these dumb pretty girls can stop getting paid for sitting on their little fucking asses and doing absolutely fucking nothing.
And they're doing nothing and they look so pretty and yet they're getting paid more than $400,000 a year.
That's more than that.
Exactly.
That's not by doing nothing.
That is a lot of work.
So I make more than a doctor and I capitalize off of men.
You guys are my biggest fans, even if you're haters.
I made over $400,000 last year, and it is all because of you.
So you guys want to keep clowning on sex work?
Keep it up.
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Keep subscribing to our OnlyFans.
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Kind of on that topic, I've been friends with a man who said something about how, oh, I could never date an OnlyFans chick.
And I said, why?
He's like, oh, well, I can't be with somebody who's with other men.
Like, other men are looking at her, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
And that's an insecurity.
And I said, okay.
It's not insecure.
But I said to him, do you use OnlyFans?
And he said, yes.
And I said, Ms. Option is insecure.
And he is so hypocritical.
Yep.
Nope.
It's actually not.
It's not.
That's not hypocritical, actually.
Brian, what are you about to say?
No, I will address this argument.
I'll address this argument.
Hold on one sec.
I've been on the islands enjoying some African queens.
I'm not going to get into again, but I've already told you bona fide scrubs to follow suit and give up on these bonehead Western women.
Just glad I'm reading ABT Less Mass Shootings Thanks to These Hoes.
What the fuck?
Mike Davis.
Because we are therapists.
Sex workers are therapists.
Wait, okay, so your argument is that the guy said, well, I wouldn't date a girl who does OnlyFans.
Yes, and then I said, do you watch OnlyFans?
And he said, yes.
And I said, okay, well, do you understand why women in relationships don't want men watching porn and going on OnlyFans?
And he said, okay, I can see what you mean.
It's hypocritical for a man to not want a woman who's selling her body or showing off her body.
It's not.
But also he's subscribing to the content.
Just finish your point and I'll respond.
You can respond.
No, but okay, so your position is that if a guy watches OnlyFans, it would be hypocritical of him to not date a woman who does OnlyFans.
Is that your no, it would be hypocritical for him to not expect me to not want him to be looking at other women.
Wait, that's not, you're walking back what you said, but I'm pretty sure, unless I totally misread what you said, you said that it would be hypocritical for a guy to not want to date a girl who does OnlyFans if he himself watches OnlyFans.
That's what I heard.
So did I accurately reiterate what you said?
There are two parts.
Because I continued.
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So, just to bring it back to this, so okay, there were two parts, right?
But the first part was: it would be hypocritical for a guy to not want to date a girl who does OnlyFans if he himself consumed and watched and paid for OnlyFans.
No.
No, I said that it was hypocritical.
She said that, though, right?
You interrupted me and I was continuing what I was saying, but you went ahead and started asking me a question before I continued my point.
So, are you walking backwards?
No, I just know I never said that it was hypocritical for a man to quite literally.
No, you just interrupted me before I was in the middle of the day.
I don't know why you're not allowing me to continue my sentence.
Okay, well, finish your sentence.
I was like, I said that.
A man told me that he would not date a woman who was on OnlyFans.
And then I asked him, Okay, well, do you use OnlyFans?
And he said yes.
And then I said, Okay, well, do you see why women in relationships or women in general don't want men looking at porn and watch?
It's all going off of the point of whoever said the last comment.
But I then I must have misunderstood.
But what I thought I heard was, again, just if a guy watches OnlyFans, but he's not down to date a girl who does OnlyFans, that's hypocritical.
Now, maybe that's not what you said, but do you believe that it would be hypocritical for a guy who consumes OnlyFans to not want to date a girl who does OnlyFans?
I think it's different.
I don't know if it's hypocritical, but I think that, like, as a person, if I'm looking for a man who's looking for a man for the rest of my life, I wouldn't want them looking at OnlyFans.
I think that's, I don't object to that.
I don't think men should be, like, it was just going off of the point of the person that commented.
I don't think that men, I think men should collectively, if they're going to attack women constantly for being OnlyFans, then maybe they should join up together and not watch porn because it's up to you and the male race to stop me from making so much money.
Only you can stop me from making so much money.
I kind of understand your point, but so you're saying you would object to I don't think that men should be consuming porn and going to sex workers and all those things.
Did anyone else hear the I could have sworn I could have sworn the way it was framed was again if you're a guy and you are watching OnlyFans watching porn and you don't you wouldn't want to date a girl who does OnlyFans or who does porn that makes you a hypocrite.
That's what I heard.
I was ready to rebuttal.
That might have been what you heard, but I didn't say that and that's not what I believe in and not and I don't agree with that statement.
I mean okay so but I can see where you should have heard let's just throw it out there.
You didn't say it but just as a for the sake of argument my rebuttal to that would be someone could enjoy watching professional sports and not want to participate in the NFL.
Absolutely.
Like you can enjoy watching the NFL and also not want to play in the NFL or even have their son play in it because of CT concussion, injury risk, etc.
So just because you participate as a spectator does not mean you need to necessarily endorse it.
I guess the question is like it goes back to the reasoning behind why they wouldn't want to date somebody who does OnlyFans, right?
If their reasoning is like, I'm just not comfortable being romantic with someone who's being sexual with other people, that's one thing.
But if their reasoning is like, oh no, it's like disgusting or something, then it would be like the equivalent would be enjoying watching sports, but then thinking it's like wrong to participate in them.
So that I don't.
It would be disgusting to date her.
Yeah, if he's saying, if that's a reasoning, then they are being hypocritical.
I don't think so.
Because it's to take your sports analogy.
It's like somebody.
Can you participate in something that you find disgusting?
How can you look at a picture of a woman that you think is disgusting and get off of that?
Yeah, that's the point.
I don't know.
People be turning into some weird ass shit.
Jerking it.
Yeah.
Maybe.
That's kind of like Madonna whore complexy.
One thing that men have said, though, is they've said that have spoken to me their reservations of going with a girl that's in the industry who is getting constant attention for themselves.
Will she be satisfied just hanging out with me when she's not doing that persona, when she's not in character?
Or does she constantly need attention and validation from other men?
And that's something that has been a concern that men have described to me.
And that's reasonable.
I think that is valid because, I mean, I think if one of the things that a man can do in terms of what he brings to the relationship is giving her his attention, perhaps his sexual attention.
But if she's kind of fulfilling that in other ways, getting attention, validation from other men, then the validation and attention that a romantic partner would provide is not quite, is to some degree diminished.
It's not as valuable because she's getting it from all these other sources.
Yeah.
I feel like that's how girls feel about guys that watch a lot of OnlyFans or like a lot of porn that it's like, oh, I don't feel special anymore.
I am so with you though.
We need, and I agree, we need a male solidarity movement because it's a supply and demand thing.
It's supply and demand.
There's a demand for porn for OnlyFans.
So are you advocating that we as men need to step up and not be these gluttons of consumption and paying for porn?
And if we do watch porn, just watch the free shit.
And that what you're saying?
My dress is orange, not red.
You idiot.
You idiot.
Good job.
You're colorblind.
Okay.
So just one thing, right?
Okay.
So wait, I lost my training.
Well, we were going off the point that men create the market and they do.
Yeah, they do.
They do.
They're literally on thriving.
So, yeah, I mean, it would take men to actually band together and decide that they were no longer going to consume that kind of content in order for it to stop.
And you guys aren't strong enough to do that.
You guys are not strong enough to come together as a whole to stop paying us for sex.
Okay, this idea of men coming together as a whole, there's a couple of problems there.
First off, the male population is like, what, 3.5, 4 billion?
You're not a hive mind.
That's pretty tough.
Well, if we're talking about male solidarity, and then when it comes to male solidarity, the thing is, is that men have an out-group bias for women.
And women have an in-group bias for other women.
So it's very hard for men to have solidarity in the same way that women have solidarity.
Yeah, but you guys are males and you guys, us females profit off you guys of males.
I mean, it's like the disdain.
I don't pay for porn.
Right.
It's like the disdain for sex workers.
I mean, even if you're watching free porn, you're still contributing to what you guys consider the problem.
I mean, free porn is still, actresses still getting paid for the money.
Yeah, no, there's still making money.
The websites are still making money.
However, if it was, I want to say if you're just, because like, what's these memes about like, why would I pay five bucks to see your boobs when I can type into Google and get 8 million boobs?
I think, well, I think a lot of the appeal for OnlyFans and the reason that it is so successful partially is because of like the parasocial aspect.
I mean, if you see a hot girl on Instagram or somebody that you follow their story and you kind of see into their personal life, like, and you want to talk to them, that's a very easy route to go, especially if you're interested in them sexually and you're like, that piques your interest.
That's exactly what men have asked about stuff like this.
Exceptionally, it's like some kind of parasocial.
Only fans actually feel like they can get you.
I mean, you are attainable.
You are realistically attainable for some of them compared to a girl in mainstream porn.
Yeah.
And they can converse with you.
Directly.
So I guess there's more of an emotional or personal intimacy rather than just searching up a random video.
They're more attainable in some sort of way.
Right.
I think that's more of.
Right.
But I mean, like, that's the appeal to a lot of, especially OnlyFans in particular.
I mean, I think that's why it's thrived so much.
I mean, you have these girls like Bella Thorne and Karina Koff that are cashing out because these men see them online and they're like, oh, I want to see her name.
Like, I could pay this and I could talk to her.
I mean, obviously, especially with those accounts and how large they are, you would be absolutely delusional to think that you're actually talking to them.
But if they want to play into the fantasy and pay the money, then more power to them.
But again, that stuff is never going to stop.
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Thank you guys.
Continue with the momentum.
But again, you're never going to get rid of OnlyFans.
You're never going to get rid of pornography or prostitution or anything like that if men don't stop objectifying women to the level that they objectify women.
It's not fair to me if it's because of objectification, though.
It is.
It's sexualization and objectification.
Question: If women watch porn, are they also objectifying the men or the women involved?
Yeah, absolutely.
It's not clear to me.
You're watching them as like you're an object rather than a person.
Yeah, like I'm not watching porn going all.
I'm thinking about their soul.
Are we objectifying actors then?
Sometimes we do.
Yeah.
A lot of times, most of the time.
Brian.
I mean, look at Twitter.
Sorry, I'm late.
I'm going to step out how people talk about it.
I'm about $400,000 per year doing it.
Congrats.
I like to tell myself I don't contribute to the deterioration of society.
These addicts should really band together and stop buying.
To the point.
LOL, not my problem.
Or what if everyone just stopped selling drugs?
There we go.
Like, what if all women just stopped doing sex work?
Then the men would have nothing to pay for or nothing.
But it's our bodies.
And we're going to be objectified whether it's never going to happen.
It's our best friend.
We're going to be getting DVDs from the 90s.
You can't stop us.
No, I'm kidding.
You can't stop.
Men need to have better self-control.
Control yourselves better and don't pay us.
Maybe we won't profit off.
The other thing, too, to look at is also, and this is kind of, I don't know if people are going to agree with this, but I believe that if there were no options for pornography or prostitution, that there would be way more violence against women and children.
Wait, if there wasn't.
If there was no porn available, there would be way more violence against women.
Why do you think that's a good idea?
I think that sexually repressed countries or countries that are more strict when it comes to that stuff, their rates of violence against women are very high.
And, like, part of that reason is probably, like, part of the repression, right?
Like, if they feel like they can't express themselves sexually or have no outlet, then they just take it out.
That sounds like psychobabble to me.
I would have to see the study on that.
Violence in the United States where there is an abundance of pornography.
I mean, the U.S. is one of the most violent countries in the world.
Strong disagreement.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know exactly which countries you're talking about.
Countries with ongoing military.
No, we're talking about sexual violence.
I think they're saying that like access to pornography and sex work increases in some ways like decreases sexual violence against women.
I would agree.
There's no way.
I'll let you come in just a sec.
There's no way that if men didn't have access to porn, that they would just become these like rape, like sexual spread wholesale start assaulting women.
There's actual statistics too about during natural disasters that sexual violence and violence against women actually skyrockets because they don't have access to those things.
And I mean, this is an actual statistic.
That's crazy.
That is actually true.
I'm from Houston, and when the floods happen, every time those floods happen, women and children go missing.
They are shown to be a lot of people.
Where's the connection, though?
Because it's not clear to me that these instances of assault are happening because they don't have access to porn.
Well, they don't.
Here, Essie, you wanted to come in?
Oh, I was going to say I agree with what she said because if I would not have porn for like a year, I would be feral.
I'd be foaming at the mouth.
I'd be like, I can't use my imagination.
I can't use that.
I have to have a visual.
Men are visual creatures.
All right, let's have a look.
Here, I got to get a couple chats in here.
We have Unwoke Thoughts.
The seven on Brian's collar is his body count.
You're welcome.
Unwoke thoughts.
Thank you.
Is that true?
Negative.
Negative.
I want to make a point in favor of OnlyFans, too, compared to mainstream porn.
Have you guys noticed trends in mainstream porn?
So like I was asked to do some mainstream porn.
I've been asked all throughout the years.
And have you like, have you guys seen the trend of when guys will grab onto this, okay, now we're going to smack the girl in the face, that crap.
You know what I'm saying?
Like they'll just do this formulaic crap.
Whereas in OnlyFans, we're creators that are getting it on with whom we choose.
So if I'm wanting to get out and get it on with this good-looking guy that makes me coo and moan versus, you know, screaming my, I'm not going to get slapped.
Sorry, you're not going to slap me on camera.
But I see it all the time.
I see these trends that could be potentially damaging to people.
Yes, because it's been proven that it changes people's brain chemistry to actually be more violent to watch mainstream porn because most of it is violent.
Yeah.
And objectifying women.
I don't know about you guys, but of my sexual encounters, it's the chicks that are like, yo, I want to be fucking choked.
I'm not going to be a little bit more.
And I think that has a direct correlation to the porn that they're watching as well because women are also, I mean, the same porn that men are watching is the same porn available to women.
So I think it's affecting both.
Don't men watch more porn?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not sure, but it's the same type of porn, and I think it still affects women in a way that those are.
Couldn't it also be the case, though, that like one guy comes in and he's like into some BDSM stuff, and then the chick's super into it, and then she's just tainted for all her future partners.
I guess so.
I'm not sure.
I mean, that is possible.
Maybe not tainted.
She's just like It's a start of some Or she's sensual and someone else is into it.
I mean, that's it.
Whatever, you know.
But it's like, okay, but if you're into.
If you introduce it and then, like, bro, I'm not trying to catch a case to like for a woman's sexual gratification.
Like, I'll do other shit.
I'll do as much as I can.
But, bro, I'm not trying to slap a chick around in the bedroom.
No offense.
But some men want to do that.
And that's actually healthy that you feel that way because so many men will just do it because they see it in porno or something.
And they think that's normal.
I think it is a normal, healthy reaction for you as a man to be like, I don't want to hit you.
Then you said you don't pay for porn, you don't really watch it.
You should feel that way.
Because you're not watching every single day women getting hit.
I mean, I've seen porn, but I'm like, it's pretty rare.
Yeah.
You know.
It's rare, what, for women to be hit?
No, for him to watch porn.
For him to watch porn.
I was like, I don't know.
But look, I mean, look, you could have like, you know, when it comes to sex, you can.
It doesn't mean you have to be like a fucking passive wuss.
No.
If you don't want to hit a girl, but like, yeah, I just don't really feel inclined to like smack a girl around in the bedroom or be like excessively rough.
But like a little fucking spanking or hair pulling, whatever.
That's fine.
But like, getting rowdy.
But like leaving marks and shit, I'm not really my thing.
Okay, we have Diesel Daddy.
3FO in the red.
You literally sell your body for money.
How is it possible for you to have any less self-esteem?
I don't financially support your perverse satanic content.
Satanic.
So how is it hypocritical for me to comment that down with the like I said, Diesel Daddy?
You're colorblind as fuck.
My dress is orange for starters.
Second, I am absolutely confident in who I am.
And yeah, just because I am a legal prostitute doesn't make me less of a human.
So yeah.
She's still making $400,000.
Oh, I enter whether or not you're supporting her.
And I'm still making way more money than you, Mr. Diesel Daddy.
Diesel Daddy.
And probably a lot of you viewers that are on here.
So do not bash me for being a sex worker.
What does Diesel Daddy feel about like Mary Magdalene?
Who the?
Mary Magdalene from the Bible, guys?
She was helping us with.
Jesus.
Oh, yeah.
And me being a sex worker.
It made me even more confident.
More confident.
Yes.
Being in this industry.
Okay.
All right.
Wait, oh, a quick question.
You seemed open to answering it.
I do want to ask the other girls here.
So you said you're a really high earner when it comes to the industry that you're in.
Are you able to break?
So you do, do you still dance or mostly just OF and like?
Yeah, so I'm a stripper.
I do OnlyFans.
I stream on Streammates.
And right now I'm currently at the Bunny Ranch.
Okay.
Sorry, can you just scoot your mic a little closer towards you?
You hate me, don't you?
Okay.
No, but is this good enough?
If you could just tilt it down ever so slightly.
Are you down to mid high figures?
Mid five figures a month?
I make sometimes six.
So monthly, it depends.
On a bad month, I can make anywhere like 10 grand.
On a good month, I can make like 90,000.
What's the most you've made in the year?
Would be the $400,000 year that I have.
Is that the most recent?
Yes.
Okay, nice.
Do you want to?
I mean, I don't want to disclose like the exact, but monthly, mid-five figures.
Etsy?
I don't think it's appropriate to talk about how much your income is.
Totally fine.
Pixie looks like she's considering a career change.
Pull in some decent chatter.
I'm pulling some pretty good chatter.
Some cheddar.
Yes.
What about some Parmesan?
Okay.
I have two houses paid for.
I have a house in Costa Rica.
I have a portfolio that's doing well.
Like, pretty much everything that I have are assets at this point.
Okay.
All right.
I put my son through private school.
Let's go.
You did a lot of travel.
Have you ever been a sugar mama to any young bucks?
Any young studs out there?
I think there's some that are feeling me out for that.
Shit, I've been a sugar mama in 22.
Yeah.
Yes.
What would you do for your sugar baby?
Are you asking me or her?
Both of you.
Have a lot of sex with him.
Sex?
Yeah.
Was he Bill Clinton?
What the fuck?
No, I have a lot of youngins that want to do OnlyFans, which is like perfect because they're young and their bodies are great and they have huge cocks and they've got the stamina to go and come a lot.
So like for me, I give them the trade-off if they want to work with me and film.
Because I usually charge quite a bit to film.
People will come out of the gate and that happens to us all the time.
They'll be like, oh, you do OnlyFans?
Okay, well, we can just negate the entertainment fee.
It's like, no.
No, you're going to pay to film.
The last sugar baby guy that I had.
I helped him pay for his CDL license, actually.
Trucker?
Yeah.
Okay.
That's so sweet.
Wait, Brian, how much are you very generous?
So I am a starving college student.
It's tough out there, guys.
Speaking of which.
Read answer for the TTS.
Just saying, guys.
Okay, thank you, guys.
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I'm so sorry.
I try to stay for as long as I can, but I have to work in the morning, so I have to go.
Are you cool to stay for another like 10-15 minutes for us to wrap up?
Okay.
20 minutes?
I can finally do it.
I could do max like 20 minutes.
You think like 25 or guys, that's funny.
Like, yeah, we'll try to wrap.
We'll wrap up.
Thank you.
I'm sorry.
No, it's all good.
I was planning to wrap up pretty soon here, anyways.
Let me just check on some chats we've had.
We have.
You better call him out right now.
We have.
I was going to, anyways.
Oh, here.
That's fine.
The comment that was just on there.
I'll pull it back up in just a second.
That's all right.
Joe Hall.
Hey, thank you.
I don't think the SF Giants will make the playoffs thoughts.
Is that like a cricket team or something?
I don't know anything about baseball.
Baseball.
It's baseball.
Is that a baseball team?
Baseball.
Woo!
Giants.
Okay, yeah.
Okay.
All right.
We have Joe Hall, the bunny branch, Sarah Connor.
I don't know Sarah Connor.
Is that my piece?
Or is it you?
I don't know Sarah Connor.
I think she's from the Terminator.
Yeah.
The movies.
Damn.
Tyler.
3-0-5 equals to 34.
Guy with Lambo trying to smash a hoe.
Not being a hoe is confusing.
There's an expectation equal sign to blind girl who wants to marry.
Meets dude on Tinder, says he's 6'5, but he actually wears stilts and only makes four figures.
Now she doesn't want to marry.
Bro, I have no fucking idea what you just wear.
I was just so confused, Brian.
Excuse me.
Tyler, wait.
Let me just try to parse this.
I'm going to.
This is okay.
Tyler.
Blind.
I think he's saying he's asking if the Lambo dude was 3-4 and blind.
I'm sorry, dude.
I cannot.
I tried to read it over.
I can't understand.
Ducks 2009 Outlaw Porn.
There's not one positive thing that porn and NoF brings to society.
Brian, let me come on the podcast with my NorCal girl Lynn.
How am I going to have an orgasm?
Also, just get rid of porn.
Also, just saying if you're not going to be able to get porn.
We're going to be freaking orgasm, Brian.
How does Brian orgasm?
Like with a partner?
I'm not watching porn while I'm fucking my girl.
Like what?
So you don't, what is it?
You only fuck.
You don't watch porn.
Honestly, if I'm like in a proper relationship and I got a girl, I don't need porn.
What if you're not in a proper not proper?
What do you mean, not proper?
Not proper relationship.
Now what are you doing?
Like if I'm single?
Yes.
If I've been single for an extended period of time, maybe I'll use it as an aid for once a week.
Like a visual aid or just your hand and imagination?
No, look, I'm not going to cap here.
Like, yes, if I'm choking the chihuahua.
What the fuck is it called?
What are the little terms?
Choking the chicken?
If I'm choking the chicken, but I'm not like a compulsive, like every single day, multiple times a day.
It's just a visual aid.
How often do you masturbate?
Bro, what the fuck?
No, now you want to know.
Now it's on you.
Sure, sure.
I'll answer.
Why not?
Because we're talking about porn.
When I'm single.
If I'm in a relationship, like almost never.
Like, unless she's fucking gone for two weeks or something.
You know, like that.
Okay, maybe once, but once a week, maybe.
And do you like, do you usually use porn or no?
Do you?
Yeah, I use porn.
Okay.
But I'm not like a compulsive porn consumer, like daily buying.
No, not if it's just once a week.
Yeah, once a week, 20, 30 minutes.
Yeah.
Shit, maybe I should bump that.
I should have bumped that up.
Shit, I'm telling on yourself.
90 minutes.
Telling on yourself now.
On one hand, I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to sell it.
Like, I don't watch that much porn, but also kind of.
Okay, whatever.
I just think, too, if you actually were like to be serious about outlawing porn, that porn is still going to exist and it's going to be very, very expensive.
Yeah.
And way more expensive.
And prostitutes and sex workers will be making even more money.
True.
Oh, that is not going to go away.
But she's right.
Word.
Word.
Okay.
Do we have any more?
Oh, we have the real slider.
Oh, and I have to reply to that comment.
That's the one.
This one.
No, the one that was up there.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Do you want to read it?
Sure.
The OF content creator on the far right, hey, you do sex work for a living and still have the audacity to wear the cross of our Savior on your neck.
That is nothing but disrespect for the man who died for our sins for you to live a faithful life.
First of all, I would have to actually believe in religion for that to matter to me.
Secondly, I already stated it's not a cross, it's actually a sword.
And thirdly, Jesus would actually like me more than you, considering he hung out with Mary Magdalene and prostitutes and these sinners.
Period.
Instead of the people that were actually harassing them, you guys would have killed Jesus Christ all over again.
She ate and left no crumbs.
She ate and left no fucking crumbs.
I agree.
I don't know.
And thank you, Joe.
I don't know if any of that shit is historically accurate, but it is.
God loved hoes.
Yeah.
I know that this is a very foul.
Sorry, Jeff.
It is.
God loves hoes.
Biblically, it's known he spent time with people that weren't necessarily wholly in the eyes of the law in that time period.
So yes, he was spending time with...
It's okay.
He was spending time with prostitutes.
He was spending time with tax workers and all those things like that.
So did he get it on with Mary?
I don't think that, no, he was never promiscuous with Mary.
He was not with Mary.
He was never with her, but I know that there was times that he was romantic with her and he loved her.
He also, but it's not in the Bible.
It's in the remote pieces of the Bible.
When someone asked him, like, oh, like, what should you do with a woman who makes a guy's eyes wonder?
He also said, like, pluck thine own eyes.
Like, get your, like, basically it's your fall, get your eyes out.
Right.
Like, don't blame it on the woman.
So Jesus fell in love with a low-quality woman?
Yes.
Yeah.
Jesus fell in love with a woman.
Where's Candice now?
Where is she?
Candace.
Jesus fell in love with a low-quality woman.
I was raised Catholic, so I'm actually not capping.
Like, I know this stuff to be factual in the Bible.
I would have to do a little research on this.
Please do.
Because there's some accounts of Jesus was a person who wanted to spread good and love.
But you get my point, right?
Yeah.
It's all about forgiveness and loving everybody.
You were being honest about your knowledge about it because you're religious and you're conservative.
Good times.
Let's see here.
Okay.
What are the things that, oh, I'm curious.
Do you guys, I don't know if you guys like keep a record of this, but do you keep track or do you know how many men that you've slept with when it comes to the work you do?
I do.
I kind of have a guesstimation.
You go first and then we'll have a bunch of people.
I actually have a book with all, like, I'm there.
I'm a Virgo.
My birthday is on Saturday.
And I just love being organized.
So if I meet a guy at the Bunny Ranch, I will write his name down.
A girl actually from the Bunny Ranch taught me this.
Her name is Nico.
But I'll actually write his name down where I met him from.
Was it a call in?
Did he place a deposit down?
Like, did I meet him?
Did he email me or did he walk in?
Did I see him sitting at the bar or whatever?
And if we party together and he paid me, I do keep track of how much he paid me for how long and how I met him.
Bookkeeping.
Yeah, because when a client comes back to me, I want to be able to remember what we did last, kind of like little notes about our session, like what we did last, what he really liked, like stuff about him.
So it kind of like gives me a refresher.
Do you be a therapist?
You're sexy.
Right.
I am.
I consider sexuality.
So what's the total number?
I'm not going to give you my number.
Oh, I thought I'd.
I don't have, I don't have like a total number.
My one year.
I don't know.
My one-year mark is coming around September 15th of me being doing this for a year.
So I'll be able to total it up then, but I really don't know right now.
I can't.
Yeah, they're like guesstimate.
I really don't know.
100 plus?
Okay, well, okay.
She said she had a number.
Sure.
Well, okay, so I keep an Excel spreadsheet, and every time I make a sale, I go in and put it down.
And then in my contacts, I keep notes on individuals as well.
So I know how to help them when they come back.
I have to say, like, because I've been doing this since the HBO special.
So that was, I mean, I'm like a 15-year vet in the industry.
So I'm going to rival.
I'm going to say I could probably rival Gene Simmons.
What was the name of the special?
I want to watch it.
I loved Cat House when it was on.
They asked me to get on.
Wasn't that funny?
I loved it.
I thought it was so fun.
Very interesting because obviously I'd never like seen anything like that.
So I really liked that.
When you were mentioning Amy, I was like, oh, I loved Amy.
Amy, she's supposed to, she's so cute.
She's always.
I just have a question if you don't.
Sure, sure, sure.
Okay.
How do you guys sleep with somebody if you're not attracted to them?
Or like, are there other, I guess I should, are there ever people that you guys get as a client that you're just not, like, you, you're just like, oh, God.
Okay, so like, I feel like that's very shallow to be like, oh, you look ugly and I'm not going to have sex with you.
You know what I mean?
I feel like at the end of the day, it's all about personality and how they treat me.
So when my customers come in smelling great and they their hygiene is on point, that's all that really matters to me.
Is there a hose?
We have bathrooms.
It's like a little facility.
I have a bedroom.
We have a bathroom.
It's mandatory that all of our clients take a shower before.
Even if they come in clean, it doesn't matter.
You sweat.
We're sitting right now and we're still sweating.
You know what I mean?
So it's absolutely a must that they shower before party.
I used to used to be a hose.
Never was.
You spray them.
But for this festival, what was it called?
Burning Man?
We were all joking around at the Bunny Ranch.
We were like, ha ha ha, all these guys are going to come in after Burning Man.
We should probably just hose them down before they come in because usually a lot of guys from Burning Man will come in and they'll have like dirt.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they're yuppies.
Wait, so did you answer though?
What's the total number?
You don't have to be like 1,232, just like I'm thinking it's probably in the thousands at this point.
You know, yeah.
Of sexual partnerships.
Yeah, because there were times, like, there were times when it was really busy at the Bunny Ranch where if I was going, they called me the Energizer Bunny because I've never really done a lot of alcohol and drugs, but I've always worked out.
So athletically speaking, like, I could get it on all day long.
So if I'm doing 10 guys in a day, right?
But then there's other times where maybe I do two people in one week.
It's very, it's appointment-based.
Yeah.
And it's how much you want to work.
And also, during this time, like for the most part, I would just work for two weeks and have the rest of the month off.
Right.
I have a question.
What would you say the percentages of return clients to non-return clients?
Just out of curiosity.
I get quite a lot of regulars.
I have 10-year regulars that I've seen for 10 years.
And it's almost like we're kind of like a married couple in ways.
I get a fair amount.
If you're a good provider and you're really respectful and you're clean and you'll get repeat regulars and you'll relationship build with them.
Yeah, yeah.
We're cool.
We're friends.
Yeah, we support each other in the community.
Yeah, I was curious because I would assume that if somebody had a good experience and they enjoyed it, that they would probably come back, but I wasn't sure what the ratio would be.
Yeah, and like depends on the provider.
We call them kind of like brothel boyfriends at that point a little bit because they're like our boyfriends.
They come to see us, they bring us flowers and stuff, right?
So it's like they come back pretty regularly.
Yeah.
And they bring us gifts too, right?
They'll like take, yeah, it's take us out, take us on trips.
The amount of money, one guy, I mean, he kept seeing me.
I mean, he spent over $100,000 alone on me in one year.
And that was just me.
There's some other gals that, you know, I know that he likes to see.
So.
Okay, kind of related to this body count.
All the testing in general.
So, because there's the men that you slept with for your work, but then there's like men, obviously, that are not for your work.
I assume that you've had encounters or relationships.
What do you think?
Yeah.
For sure.
Is that up there too?
Or do you encompass them all in the same number?
No.
I mean, definitely for track after a thousand.
For pay.
Because I'm very, when it's for personal, I get very selective.
Yeah.
I get very picky.
Yes.
Yes.
And because we are very clean, like I know that I get tested every week on the dot.
I know for a fact that I do not have anything.
You know what I mean?
It's like, am I really going to have sex with this hinge dude for a one-night stand and risk losing my career that makes me $400,000, $500,000 a year?
Hell no.
You know what I mean?
So I'm very selective and picky as to who I'm going to be spending my time with now that I can make so much money.
And you know what I mean?
It's like, and also it's like, yeah, it's just like that, basically.
Okay.
We can go around the table on body count really quick.
Maddie, why don't we start with you?
Eight.
I'd prefer not to say.
Wait, is it?
Are your parents?
Did you come with your parents this time?
No.
But they're watching.
Is it because they're watching?
No, I just think that's a piece of information that's for myself.
Sure.
Yeah, I was going to say, my parents are very, very, very excited about this episode because Candace Owens was going to be on it, so I will not be answering that.
But I've answered it in previous episodes.
Guys, if you want to know if you got to go back and find it.
It's been a while since you've been on, I think.
It's been.
It's the longest.
Trying to think when you were last on.
When were you?
Who was it with Kiko?
Not the big panel, but.
I think this might be my sixth time on.
And I think my last time was like before spring, before the last quarter of my senior year in college started.
Essie?
I already said this before, but mine's six.
I do not want to answer that question.
Pixie love.
Okay.
Can you give us a range?
No.
Less than 10, more than 10?
No.
I will not.
Because any information is bad information.
No, I'm not going to tell you.
That's fine.
Like your civilian body count.
My civilian body count.
Wait, can you pull the mic closer towards you?
Like this close.
That's great.
Okay.
That's perfect.
Civilian body count.
I want to say less than 10.
You want to say less than 10.
Yes.
I want to say that I'm a billionaire.
Not everything that I want is.
Civilian.
So I actually started sex work when I turned 18.
And in high school and middle school, I knew a lot of girls that were not even selling, sending out new photos and videos.
Let's talk about that.
No, I know.
And so I never did that.
And so the day I turned 18, I profited off of selling my nudes.
Okay.
The legal way and the only way.
You know what I mean?
So, and I lost my virginity at 17 years old.
I never really was sleeping with multiple dudes and like hanging out with multiple guys and stuff like that.
So my civilian body count is extremely low.
And then my working body count is very high.
And yeah.
So there's that.
I stopped counting after like five.
So I really don't know, to be honest.
Wait, you stopped counting after five.
Yeah, I just like didn't really care anymore.
It wasn't a metric that mattered to me.
Like let's say it's 10, right?
I feel like you'd remember, you'd still remember, even if you stopped counting, you'd be like, okay, well, there was Jace and I mean, you have to keep in mind, I'm 31, so like I lost my virginity when I was 16.
That's 15 years ago.
Like, I don't know.
Should we do some little math here?
Sure, go for it.
All right, so three dicks a year times that is a lot.
So that's 15.
Three times 15, that's 45.
45 dicks.
I would say that's not accurate at all.
Not accurate.
Because you have to consider that I've had relationships for several years and I had situationships too.
I wouldn't even say that there was three a year a lot of times.
And I was celibate for two years.
But maybe there was one year where.
You know, like.
Why are you just assuming?
Why are you assuming?
Look, we have.
Okay, so we're a couple.
We're close to UCSB, University of California, Santa Barbara.
Yes.
Which is ranked as one of the number one party schools in the nation.
And let me tell you as a spectator, we got girls' freshman year in their first quarter, not even their first year, their first quarter or semester.
2030, 40.
Dang.
I was, so I didn't go to traditional like college.
I went to school in New York City.
So we didn't have like on-campus housing and stuff like that.
You went to ventriloquist school?
Yeah.
In New York?
No.
i went to like a like an accredited university but it wasn't like for ventriloquism No.
Where are you getting that from?
I don't know.
You said you didn't go to a traditional school, so I was just filling in the blanks.
I went to an accredited university for an actual degree, but it wasn't like a place that had a full-on campus with dorms and frats and stuff like that.
In college, I actually was celibate for the entirety of my college career until I was in a relationship my last year of college.
And that's not sad.
It's not sad at all.
It was great.
It was totally fine.
RIP is in the chat for Azalea.
Did I say that?
Azalea.
No.
Azalea.
You said it that way every time.
I want to know what's your body count.
Yeah.
Since you always ask us that.
As a man of God, I do not disclose my body count.
I'm a man of God.
Pixie, what do you think my body count is?
Why me?
Why do I have to guess?
I don't know.
You just seem like you have a good radar for body accounts.
Body count.
What do you think it is, Pixie?
Do you think I was a man whore, a man slut?
Were you?
No, I'm asking if you think I was.
You think so?
You said was.
Maybe you still are.
Sure, don't discount the fact that I could still be a man-hoe.
How about you tell us?
Have you ever had a- No, you just.
Okay, fuck.
What did you want me to tell you?
If you ever had a phase where you're particularly promiscuous, that'd be me answering the question with which I asked you to guess, but I mean, I would still guess.
You're just telling me if the number is going to be higher or lower.
I'm already confused, Pixie.
Okay, and I'm going to go ahead and get it.
You got to bring it down.
This is it, huh?
Eight.
Eight was five.
I was going to say your body count.
Eight.
I can neither confirm or deny if this is the case.
I say higher or lower.
Nope.
I say 20.
I say more than 20, actually.
Okay.
Anybody else?
I think Brian wishes it was 20.
I don't think it's that high.
Oh, that's kind of insulting.
I have no offense, but I'm just being like.
You don't think I pull?
I think you took that as a compliment, is what I'm saying.
I feel like it's six to eight.
Yes.
Six to eight is a good range.
It's a little for sure.
Or five.
No, you said you're a man of God.
Maybe like truthful honest answer.
Yeah, sure.
Dan Brian, I think you pull.
Four?
You think I pull?
It's 20.
I'm just gonna.
I feel like, no, that's 20 is not that much.
Am I right?
Four.
I feel like 20 is not that far.
Well, if you got game, like as a dude, you can pull that.
You don't got game.
Who said you have game?
I didn't say I have game.
Maybe I don't have your kind of game.
I feel like the type of guy that will have to lock you down, like you need a fucking hyper-masculine, because I'm kind of the class clown type guy.
I'm not like the fucking, I'm not the jock, dude.
I'm not like the hyper masculine.
No chad here.
Wait, so what kind of guy do I need to lock me down?
Clown dude, you know?
What kind of guy do I need to lock me down?
I feel like you would go for an MMA fighter.
My ex was an MMA fighter.
Oh, my ex actually was an MMA fighter.
Oh, boom.
More than one.
He was.
And he was 45 years old.
Was there more than one?
More than one MMA fighter?
No, just one.
Any boxers?
He was 45.
45.
How old were you?
Professional UFC fighter.
Any cops?
What's his name?
Andrew Tate.
Any cops?
Wait, what's his name?
Andrew the cops.
What did you ask me?
I made a joke.
He asked me what his name was.
Wait, she asked what?
I made a joke because he was like ex-UFC fighter.
I was like, oh, Andrew Tate.
No, not Andrew Tate.
So such a good joke.
A yus.
That's a great joke.
I laughed.
That is so funny that you say that, though.
That he was.
Yeah, because he, yeah, that's what he does.
It's funny.
Wait, past ex.
Yeah.
Okay.
I dated him for like a couple months.
I think I want to say, but you were right.
I was right.
Well, yeah, right?
Because I did it.
I was making some other guesses, but for some reason, I thought you'd be into like a nerdy guy or something.
I don't know why.
That's so funny.
I don't have the type of game to get you.
No chance.
I'm just not that guy.
I'm not that guy.
You need like a, you basically need a guy who could be a pimp, but isn't.
I love Brian.
Maybe a dude.
Yeah, you're great.
Yeah, like, cool.
Like, he's not a pimp, but he could be.
Are you guys listening to him?
Like, take notes.
Wait, is this?
Are you just joking?
No, I like take notes.
Like, are you joking or is that kind of like spot on?
Spot on.
Yeah.
Do you think you could look at everybody and like this guy who's like big?
Yeah.
This guy's like big.
I have like a beard.
And he's really good looking.
That's all our type.
But he was really manipulative.
Really manipulative.
Yeah, that you have seen.
Mr. UFC.
Did you go for really toxic guys?
No.
Okay.
Mr. UFC is what my friends like to call him.
Mr. UFC.
Well, because everybody's like, what's his name?
Talk about your ex?
That's kind of a no.
No.
You're so funny.
Okay, you.
Oh, you're tough.
I don't know.
Muscular guys?
Absolutely not.
Really?
Absolutely not.
Okay, bears.
Like hairy dudes.
No.
Absolutely not.
You're really good at this game, Brian.
Well, he got one.
One for two.
You're one for two.
And it was spot on with me.
You like, how about you like fucking like artsy dudes that are emotionally unavailable?
No.
Fuck.
I can just tell you.
I think she likes sweet, gentle men.
I like her boyfriend.
I like gamer dudes.
Oh, gentle giants.
Yeah.
Well, not even giants.
Like gentle gnomes.
Yeah, I like gamer dudes.
Like, I like nerdy dudes, but I do like a little sensitivity on them for sure.
I think Pixie likes.
I think she's super into men that would make artisan bred.
Like kind of hipstery, kind of like a little hipster dude.
If he's a bit older, he had an emo phase in high school.
He listens to my chemical romance, right?
He listens to my chemical romance.
I'm laughing because literally, like earlier, I was talking about my type, and I was like, I think emo dudes are kind of cute.
Like I still have a soft spot for them, even though I'm not in high school anymore.
Like there's something about there.
Maybe a guy who plays an instrument, probably like a guitar, maybe even a ukulele.
I could see you going for a ukulele guy.
Probably super liberal dude.
But I mean, you're liberal, so that.
Actually, you know, but on the flip side, I think you are deeply attracted to the most like super conservative dude.
Like, I bet you go crazy around super conservative guys.
No, but I like guys.
No, for the conservative guys, but I do like people who can argue with me.
People that can argue.
Yeah, like I like going back and forth on a debate.
Like, you got to challenge me intellectually.
Okay, I got to challenge you intellectually.
Okay, well.
All right.
I'm out of the picture there.
And we got Essie here.
I feel like Essie, based off what you said last time, because you said you like toxic dudes, if I recall.
Yeah, I used to.
That was my.
Oh, just a little closer than I. Sorry, I forgot.
You like a heavily tatted dude.
I think you'd like you would date someone in a band, probably like I'm trying to think what kind of band though.
Like it would have to be you'd probably like, I don't know if you would date long term, but you would definitely fuck somebody from AFI.
I'm just throwing it out.
I don't even know what that is.
You don't know AFI?
You don't know AFI?
No.
Oh my god, is it smart?
Okay, I misread that.
You MMA fighters?
No?
No?
AFI was on track.
I think, what about a guy who drives a truck?
No, not a truck.
No.
Okay, what about a Prius?
I could work with a Prius.
I could work with that.
Nice.
Okay.
I don't know.
You like men who are emotionally unavailable.
You can't.
We're talking about now.
We're not talking about the men I used to.
Oh, my bad.
We're just talking about now.
Okay.
You still like them, though, but you're trying to correct your.
I'm getting cooked right now.
Do you like guys with dad bods?
Yeah.
Yeah, you're on the right path.
Like tattoos, dads.
Tattoos, dad bods, maybe the gauges.
No.
No?
No, not a fan of it.
That's pixie.
I don't like the big thingies.
That scares me.
I feel like, I don't know, it gets scary when it's like.
Wait, chat.
Is this getting boring?
Chat, one in the chat.
Is this boring that I'm this section right now?
Here, I'll go really quick.
Black men.
Reformed frat boys.
Oh, that was so spot on.
It's truly mind-blowing to me.
Reformed frat boys?
Yes.
My jaw actually, God, that's crazy.
They wear, what is it, sparries and what are the shoes that the frat boys wear?
Moccasins.
Sperries.
The new balances.
The new balances.
New balance.
New balance and chubbies.
I don't know.
Lily is really attracted to.
She likes a project, okay?
She likes a guy who's recently been released from prison.
Actually, even she wants a guy who is currently in prison.
She likes that because it's safe.
I thought it was going to be like a churchgoer.
You're actually, my understanding is you're actually pen pals right now with three life sentence inmates.
Absolutely.
Definitely spot on.
And Madison's type is Frankie's my type.
I mean, hopefully her boyfriend, right?
Before your boyfriend, before your boyfriend, your type.
I've had the same type my whole entire life.
Your boyfriend?
And it's literally my boyfriend.
Aw.
Besides, like, my ex-boyfriend was like the complete opposite.
Wait, what's your boyfriend?
What type?
Like, is he nerdy?
Is he MMA fighter?
No, I'm just really, like, physical-wise.
I'm into like white guys, like, who have like brown, curly, curlier hair.
Nice.
And I don't know.
I like nice.
Also, cowboys, though.
Shout out to cowboys.
I'm so much like a cowboy.
Until he asks you to help with the cows.
And I would grew up on a ranch.
I would be so down to move to a farm.
Yeah.
Me too.
That's the plan.
Anybody want to guess what my type is?
Yes.
Okay.
You like women who wear low-rise jeans.
And she has natural hair.
She's never dyed her hair ever in her life.
Super conservative.
She wears like turtlenecks.
Turtlenecks and like the gene pencil skirts.
You know what I mean?
You know what's actually crazy?
I actually like, like, aesthetically, women who have color in their hair, like, and it could be like red, green.
Green's kind of weird.
But, like, red, pink, or blue.
I actually like it, but it's usually tied to a chick that's like bonkers.
But it used to be like, okay, so I'm 34, right?
So before like politics got fucking crazy, it used to just be a girl with daddy issues if she had color in her hair.
Now it usually is also an indicator of your politics.
And typically you're like hardcore SJ, like social justice warrior, like probably really liberal, really progressive, really feminist.
But just the aesthetically, I actually do think color hair looks good.
So he's got an awful dream girl right there.
That's actually his wife.
Kiki, she's like, why not the blue hairs like that?
That's his girlfriend.
The girl with the blue hair in the back.
Like an alternative girl.
Yeah.
You like alternative girls with tattoos?
He wants a conservative alt girl.
5'6?
A conservative alt girl that hides all of her tattoos with the penciled skirt and the fucking turtleneck.
I like cutoff points for tattoos.
But can only show you her tattoos.
Sure, why not?
I don't know.
Wait, anybody else want to wager?
I guess.
You know, what is it?
What's my type?
You like really short girls.
Yep.
Preferably lighter eyes.
Just slight preference.
Yeah, slight.
You're into Asian chicks.
I feel like I knew that.
Somebody also on there said that you have to be.
Someone said Brian likes Asian girls.
But it's not like, oh, I'm.
That's it.
Like, I'll date a white chick like it's black girl, whatever.
Latina.
You like her to need nothing.
Need nothing.
Need nothing.
Don't not bother you.
No, not argue with you.
Not taking a fight with you.
The perfect woman.
Yes.
And she's submissive.
She's nice.
Submissive.
She doesn't bother anybody.
She's an independent.
Blue hair.
You're forgetting one thing.
Large labia.
Yes.
Key.
A large labia.
No, okay, it doesn't have to.
I don't give a fuck.
I'm just.
It's kind of a meme.
It's the only way to get it.
What's this?
It's been 20 minutes.
Yes, you're right.
It's been 30 minutes.
You guys didn't drive together to you.
Yeah, we're going to wrap.
I have homework to do.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, we're going to wrap it up.
We have a fight tomorrow.
Was there one last thing?
Fuck.
Final thoughts from anybody here before we wrap?
You got something.
Do you want to argue some more, Ruby?
Well, we don't have to argue right now.
We can argue next time.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, you're going to be on.
Oh, yes, Pixie, you're going to be on Sunday.
Okay, we can pick it up.
We should talk about birth control.
You guys think it's a good topic, right?
Candice, I'm sad that she had some interesting things.
It will be a good conversation.
That's all I want to say.
Okay, really quick.
Just show of hands.
Who's on birth control right now?
Based.
Okay, cool.
What does based mean?
I feel like I hear that so much.
It's reality.
Oh, okay.
It's sometimes I just say it as a meme.
I'll say it's something I don't even mean it to.
I don't know.
If someone were to say, oh, yeah, I like to fucking collect Pokemon cards.
Okay, based.
Cool.
All right.
Can you pull up the Twitch really quick?
Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow.
Drop us a prime sub.
Yo, Trad, thank for the prime.
Snorkeler, thank for the prime.
Clipped, thank for the prime.
Zerker, I think I already had.
Thank you guys.
Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
Let me just make sure we have get through the chat.
This is the last one, I think.
Rippy, when Jesus met Mary Magdalene, she stopped being a sinner and followed him.
She did not continue to prostitute.
Rippy, thank you very much for your patronage.
Yeah, she started walking the appropriate path.
And then we have who do we have?
Oh, that's it.
Okay, cool, guys.
So, guys, this was a special show.
Normally, we don't do shows on Thursdays, but you know.
So, we'll be back to our normal schedule Sunday with Pixie here.
Sunday, 5 p.m.
Guys, last call.
Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
Really means the world, guys.
Thank you guys so much.
You guys are awesome.
Big thank you to the wonderful panel tonight.
Thank you for sticking around.
Appreciate it.
I think it was a pretty good.
I liked the panel.
It was good.
It was always good.
Be sure to.
Oh, Candace Owen was on.
Shout out to Candace Owens.
She had to catch a flight, so she couldn't stay for the whole thing.
Her documentary tomorrow.
Check it out, Convicting a Murderer.
It's on X and the Real Daily Wire tomorrow.
Let's see what else.
Thank you to our chat mods.
Thank you to Britt, who's helping with timestamps.
Any women who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
We will be live again Sunday with a fantastic group, 5 p.m. Pacific.
Thanks again for tuning in, guys.
We will see you next time.
Good night, guys.
Before you guys get up, can you guys be quiet?
Oh, stop recording.
Oh, that's right.
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