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American Gladiators Special Edition w/ Nitro & Ice! | Dating Talk #95

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast with a special American Gladiators Edition.
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	Madison and with the blue hair, Ashley St. Claire.
	She's a bit shy.
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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us about yourselves.
	Go ahead.
	Or Dan, why don't you go first?
	Oh, hey, my name is Dan Nitro-Clark.
	I used to do a television show called American Gladiators.
	I've just had a very fun documentary series on Netflix called Muscles and Mayhem that thanks to everyone's support was number one in the United States, debuted.
	And I'm with my good friend here.
	I'm Laurie Fettrick.
	I played Ice on the American Gladiators.
	I have a podcast called Chilling with Ice.
	And yes, the Muscles and Mayhem documentary was amazing.
	Oh my God, it is awesome.
	So thanks for having us.
	Well, thank you guys for coming.
	And I think you both are underselling yourselves a little bit because, I mean, Dan, there's certainly you have a lot more achievements than just having been a gladiator.
	And of course, the documentary was incredibly successful.
	And you too, Ice, we can get into that.
	Or just point of clarification, do you guys prefer Dan and Lori or Nitro, Ice, whatever?
	Whatever comes out of your mouth.
	Okay.
	It's fine.
	All right.
	There we go.
	Madison, do you want to?
	My name is Madison.
	I am 18 years old.
	I guess I'm the now co-host.
	For today.
	For today.
	You're on probation.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	For today, I'm the co-host of the whatever podcast.
	I'm also a student at Santa Barbara City College studying accounting and business as well as a host at a bar.
	Lovely.
	Okay, cool.
	So before we kind of get into it, what's your guys' current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult?
	Any of the above?
	Damn.
	There's quite a few.
	How long have you been, if you're single, how long have you been single?
	Or how long have you been in a relationship and what's your longest relationship?
	So right now, I live with a fantastic woman.
	We raise her son together.
	We've both been married before.
	So at this point, after seven years, we have decided not to get married.
	But we still talk about it.
	I think once you've been married, you kind of know what the deal is.
	You know that there is a 65 to 70 percent failure rate in Southern California.
	So why are you going to buy into a failing institution if you've already done it?
	Your car is broke.
	It breaks down.
	Why would you go buy that car again?
	So no, not married, but very, very happy, probably for the first time in my life with 100% with one woman.
	And sorry for all the women before that.
	I just said I wasn't happy with one woman.
	But yeah, that's my status right now.
	And you've been with her for how long?
	You said seven years with yours exactly.
	But would say it's seven or eight years, somewhere in that ball hood.
	Because there was the, how do you call it, the hanging and banging days, you know, and then, you know, gradually you progress into a very meaningful and substantial relationship.
	Okay.
	Did you fall asleep on that?
	No, I was captivated.
	I was captivated.
	And you said at one point, though, you were previously married.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, I was married for about five years.
	Five years.
	So look, I wanted to see what it was.
	So I was a guy who grew up and, you know, to me, women were fun.
	And when they stopped being fun, I just found new fun.
	And as I started to get through my 20s, I felt like this thing inside that wasn't fulfilled.
	So I've always heard about true love.
	This is what true love, it's happiness.
	The movies, the books, the commercials.
	They tell you true love is where happiness is.
	So I said, I'm going to try it.
	So I found a girl and I tried it.
	And it was a social experiment that lasted about three years.
	And we ended up total, I think it was five years.
	But I do have a son from a previous relationship.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Do you have any other kids or just the one?
	I have the stepson who lives with us now who's fantastic.
	Okay.
	In one steps.
	Yeah, my son, Tyler, he's a great kid.
	He lives in Portugal.
	And it was an accident.
	His mother told me that she couldn't get pregnant.
	I read that in your book.
	Yes.
	I read Teresa, right?
	Yeah, just bring it out there, Teresa.
	She said you're in the book.
	Yeah, it's in the book.
	Yeah, so she said she couldn't get pregnant, but it was like the biggest head fake because it wasn't like, you know, I'm on the pill.
	It wasn't any of that.
	It was like, I do not ovulate.
	And I'm 23 years old at the time.
	And she was 28.
	And I figured, okay, she doesn't ovulate.
	It's okay.
	Go ahead.
	Fire her away.
	And then about six months down the road, she says to me, oh my God, it's a miracle of God.
	And neither of us are religious.
	She says, a miracle of God.
	I'm pregnant.
	And I'm like, how can you get pregnant?
	You don't even ovulate.
	And then she said something to me that I'll never forget.
	And she said, well, either it's a miracle of God or you have very strong sperm.
	And I was like, yeah, 23, I've got strong sperm.
	Later, as I got to know her, I realized that I was a big, dumb, muscular idiot who fell for the oldest trick in the book.
	But out of that, I got a fantastic son who I love to death.
	So she baby trapped you, kind of.
	I think she, I didn't have any money at the time, so I know it wasn't for the money.
	And like, I'm a half breed, so I don't know if it was for the genetics.
	I don't know what happened.
	I don't know how that happened.
	I don't know why she'd do that.
	But yeah, the strong sperm line just, I mean, is that possible?
	You don't ovulate that they could go up the floor beam too?
	Hey, FTG, thank you for the 50 gifted memberships.
	I think I spoke with her.
	She's going to actually be gifting 50 memberships every 30 minutes.
	So if you guys want to stay tuned and grab yourselves a membership.
	Wait, so okay.
	She, Teresa.
	You have to say her name.
	Do you have to say her name?
	Oh, we'll call her.
	My son's mother, baby mama.
	Okay, baby mama.
	Yeah, baby mama.
	Sorry, it was in the book, so you know.
	Baby mama.
	I read the book, but she, did she ever try to collect child support from you?
	Well, she did for 18 years.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because I had read in the book that she, I mean, you were younger.
	I think you were, was it 22?
	22.
	I was 22.
	You were 22 and she was in her 30s.
	She was 28.
	Okay.
	29.
	Yeah, six, seven years old.
	Yeah.
	And it sounded like she was doing fairly, like she had a career.
	She was making her own money.
	You were living with her.
	And here you are, a young guy who it sounded like at the time you weren't really, you're kind of scraping by.
	And then for her to come after for child support seems.
	Well, you know what?
	Look, it's my responsibility as my son.
	You know, as men, we need to take care.
	Regardless of who owns who has more money, who doesn't mare as a man or as a woman, you need to take care of your offspring.
	And it took me a while to learn that.
	When I first had him, I was playing football over in Italy.
	And, you know, I just got a call in the middle of the night.
	You have a son.
	I said, oh, is he healthy?
	Great.
	Click.
	And that was it.
	Then I got home and she did the smartest thing because I got home from Italy.
	I'd gone out and I'd partied and she called me.
	And it was like seven in the morning and I'd been up all night.
	And I said, oh, God, I'm so hungover.
	You know, don't come over.
	Just, you know, I'll see my son later because he was six months old at the time.
	And then she actually brought him to my father's house and said, this is your son.
	And, you know, when I held him for the first time, you know, then it was such a, you know, overwhelming experience to realize that I'd created life.
	And I decided at that moment, this is my boy.
	You know, I have to take care of him.
	And, you know, I did for, I have since then.
	Yeah.
	It's beautiful.
	Gotcha.
	Laurie, what about you?
	Dude, that was long.
	I forgot the questioner.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So I'm a legendary talker.
	Whatever we use after you, like, Dan, shut up.
	Dan, shut up.
	So the question was: what's your current relationship status?
	Are you single?
	You're in a relationship.
	Yeah.
	I've been with my girlfriend about 13 years now.
	13 years ago.
	The longest is 14 years.
	A different relationship.
	A different relationship.
	Exactly.
	With a guy or a girl?
	Girl.
	All my relationships with girls have been like, let's go, 7, 10, 13.
	Yeah.
	I'm called a lifer, I guess.
	A lifer.
	Okay, there you go.
	And so are you, do you consider yourself bi or are you lesbian?
	I dated guys all three, all through high school.
	And so all through high school dating guys.
	And then I was around 25, 26-ish.
	Met this one girl, realized, admitted it to myself.
	I was like, holy shit, I'm gay.
	This girl's hot.
	I'm in love with her.
	And it just kind of like, that's, it's, it's really coming to terms with who you are, you know, especially if you're gay, lesbian, whatever it may be, bisexual.
	Love men.
	I love them.
	I just don't connect with you guys.
	So it's just been women since then?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I've.
	Oh, did I tell you that?
	I'm sorry.
	Did I do that?
	All right.
	Now the game's on.
	Yeah.
	I mean, relationship-wise, if we're talking relationships, yes, they've all been with women.
	Sex is a little different story, but you know, yes.
	Okay.
	So if you were to categorize yourself.
	Sort of bi?
	Kind of bi?
	I'm gay.
	I'm gay.
	I'm in with a woman in her life.
	Romantically, you're only interested in women, but for casual a guy every once in a while is all right.
	We can go there.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Why not?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I used to laugh and say, I have my yearlies.
	Okay.
	Dan keeps wondering when he's going to be my yearly, which so I guess the question here is how long do you have to go as far as a time period without penis before you become gay?
	You can't answer that.
	No, it doesn't work that way.
	Does it kind of just like happen?
	It doesn't work that way.
	It's who you're attracted to in the moment.
	I always said that I had the best of both worlds because I'm attracted to both.
	But mentally, I'm attracted to women.
	Sure.
	You know, because I have that connection.
	But then sometimes they just talk too much.
	They have that guy mentality.
	You know, it's like I do sometimes.
	It's just like, oh my God, shut up.
	You know, but with me, it's interesting because, yeah, on one level, it's like my brain is like a guy's brain.
	It's like I can do a one and done.
	And a lot of girls can't.
	You know, but that's, am I right?
	Yeah, that's very, very true.
	But you can do a one and done with both a female and a male if that's who attracted you.
	It doesn't matter.
	Absolutely.
	Wow, I can't do that.
	Yeah, you can.
	You've done that your whole life.
	What are you talking about?
	Except your current.
	Except your current relationships.
	No, so this relationship has been 78 years.
	Before that, the relationship was 12 years.
	So as I get older, I get slower.
	All right.
	So this is when I knew him during gladiators.
	Let's go here then.
	Wait, so you've done it with men and women?
	No, no, no.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Just meaning that he's not a good person.
	I'll go there with him.
	No, I'm saying when he was, I knew him as a gladiator.
	Definitely.
	Now, since he's in relationships, no.
	Obviously, he is the committed man.
	I'm tamed.
	I'm tamed.
	You are tamed.
	I'm tamed.
	Absolutely.
	I can't even explain it.
	I don't know what happens, you know, where you go from womenizing and getting a lot of self-satisfaction, but not only self-satisfaction, you get a sense of self-esteem.
	A lot of times when I was younger, it was all about the girl that I was with.
	And if she was hot, you know, and the guys are like, bro, how did you get that?
	I felt good.
	She was feeding your ego.
	Yeah, well, yeah, she was in a way that your bros would respond, dude, how did you go out with her?
	Oh my God, you're with that girl.
	And it really filled me up as a man.
	Like, hey, look at me.
	You know, I got this very attractive girl.
	And then it just didn't.
	It's, you know, I guess the thing is, like, you know, a Ferrari.
	After you have a Ferrari for a long enough time, it just becomes a car.
	You know what I mean?
	So are you settling with your Ferrari?
	Is that what you're telling me?
	Yeah, I have a Ferrari at it, right?
	I'm like, Kim's a Ferrari, you know, and I'm, yeah, it's just, it seems like it's enough.
	Look, I always said, I come to realize that as a young man, I was very easy for an attractive girl to get, but I was really hard to hold on to.
	And why was I hard to hold on to?
	Because he was a whore.
	No, it's because you may call it that way, but there was nothing of substance to me as a man.
	I was all smoke and mirrors.
	You know, it was muscles.
	It was, believe it or not, a lot of long hair and it was flash, but the inner substance of who I was and what I believed in and what I stood for wasn't there.
	And so I was easy to get, but I was hard to hold on to.
	But do you think that could have also possibly been that none of the women that you were involved with really caught your eye?
	I'm not speaking strictly physical appearance, but just maybe they weren't bringing something to the table when it came to their personality or.
	What about commonality?
	Did you have things in common?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, did you look for that?
	Look, here's my point.
	I dated a lot of really fantastic women.
	I dated intelligent women, career women, you know, actresses, models.
	I dated tons of different women, and so many of them were fantastic.
	It didn't matter.
	It could have been the perfect girl, the perfect partner.
	But if you're not ready at that time, it doesn't work.
	Later, when you're ready, the less perfect person can come, and then you will grab onto that person because that's what you want in your life.
	So to answer your question directly, Brian, they were fantastic.
	They clicked all the boxes.
	It was just me.
	I was, you know, I was in Hollywood.
	I was young.
	Hey, look.
	You're at a good time in your life.
	No, but if you look and you read my book, Gladiator, like you did, you'll know that I was, I don't know what the word is, sexualized at a very young age.
	When I was 10 years old, I was living in Asia, and my dad owned a restaurant, and he had prostitutes in his restaurant.
	So I was a 10-year-old boy running around with prostitutes, you know, T-girls, Asian girls, chasing him, saying, Hey, you know, can I pop your cherry?
	Hey, can I do this?
	And so I saw sex at a very young age in a different way.
	And my father was also a horrible womanizer, you know, so many different women cheating.
	And I thought, that's just what you did.
	That was normal.
	So anybody who I met from 18 to 28 in that normal got to feel that wrath of what and who my father was expressed through me.
	Until you get to be a certain age, you know, men and women, do you usually start to find your own identity and say, this is who I am, and this is how I want to be.
	And some people don't.
	But for me, it was a real awakening when I had, you know, a lot of different women.
	I had money.
	I had fame.
	But I, you know, was partying all the time and I wasn't happy.
	What kind of made you realize that you weren't being as fulfilled, just womanizing anymore?
	Was there any specific thing that kind of happened in your life that made you just feel unfulfilled?
	You know, I know it sounds, it's hard for people to understand, you know, to think like you can, you know, you have like beautiful girls and not be happy.
	You know what I mean?
	It's just like, what, dude, if I had those girls, if I had, you know, whoever it was, I would be a hat.
	Are you kidding me?
	Yeah.
	But, and I feel like almost, you know, stupid for, you know, talking about this because it's such a high-class problem.
	Oh my God, poor guy.
	He's got hot chicks.
	But like I said earlier, it made me feel a certain way getting a new girl and being with a new girl and having that conquest.
	It built a certain kind of happiness and esteem until it didn't.
	And then at the height of Gladiators, when I was partying a lot, I started to wake up in the mornings, high out of my mind, on the floor, spit dribbling out of my mouth, and I was just like crying.
	And I'm just like, what are you doing?
	Yes.
	How can this be?
	I've got everything and yet it feels like nothing.
	And that was at the point, I kind of, you know, Madison, I raised my hand and I said, something's a little off here.
	I've got everything and I'm not happy.
	And that happened a couple times.
	And I was just like, whoa, this is like really, really strange.
	And then the last time I was riding in my red Jeep going down Hollywood Boulevard, you know, having a great time.
	Sun was shining and I had this spontaneous like crying burst of tears.
	And here I am.
	I'm on TV.
	I'm 240 pounds.
	I'm this big, strong guy.
	I crush people for a living.
	And, you know, I'm driving and crying for no reason.
	And that's when I raised my hand and said, look, something's wrong.
	I need to get help.
	And getting help, therapy, and asking someone for help, especially back in my time, was really, really, really hard to do.
	So it was a bunch of events that led up to that point where I said, oh.
	And that's when I said, you know, maybe, like I said, maybe I'll try marriage.
	But I wasn't healed yet to be a good husband, to be a good partner.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Before we get into some more relationship stuff, I wanted to touch a little bit both on your backgrounds and also talk a little bit about Gladiator.
	How many seasons were you both in?
	I did American Gladiators.
	Seven, seven, I believe.
	To me, you are the female version of an American Gladiator.
	So to me, when I think American Gladiators, I think ICE and I think Zap.
	So I feel like you were always there.
	The show ran for eight years.
	And I missed the first 13 episodes.
	So you came in second season?
	Yes.
	Well, kind of, yeah, it was.
	It was the second season, as a matter of fact.
	Gotcha.
	And what about you?
	How many seasons were you in?
	Similar to her, I left over a salary dispute over a merchandising dispute right around year four.
	So I did the very first episode and then I came back to the show for a year as Nitro.
	And then the last season, I hosted the show.
	Gotcha.
	I think you two grouped up for the whole, you know, you went to Samuel Goldwyn or whatever.
	The merchandising.
	The merchandising thing.
	But were you only kicked off for, you got fired too, right?
	Yeah.
	For one season.
	Oh, one season.
	You came back.
	And then I came back and they actually, he came back the same year as a host, though, as a coach.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	I wanted to compete.
	I wanted to still battle.
	I still wanted to kick ass.
	And what from what year?
	So I think the show started.
	It was in 89, was it?
	Was it 89?
	Was the first year 89?
	It was somewhere.
	Yeah, somewhere in the next.
	Yeah.
	Long night.
	Something like that.
	Long.
	I want you to know there were still cell phones in.
	There were cell phones in the middle.
	They were big.
	They were big.
	You know what?
	Speaking of, I had a pull one out.
	Yep, that's it right there.
	That's the one.
	That was the one that was actually attached to your car.
	I got it.
	So this was plugs into your car.
	Does it actually still work?
	You want to.
	Nah, I don't think so.
	Actually, it does turn on if you plug it in.
	I don't think you.
	You know what?
	Maybe if you, I don't know.
	I know.
	It's still dating ourselves.
	It's like we didn't have the cell phones.
	We didn't have the social media.
	We didn't have all of that when it comes to smartphones and filming.
	Did you kind of appreciate that a little more, though, now that you've?
	You know, it's interesting because of the fact that I think that if we had it, it would have been dangerous, especially on tour, I would say.
	So we went on a tour across America.
	We went and did 120 cities.
	So you packed up 10 gladiators, you know, full of youth, vitality, vigor, horniness.
	Testosterone.
	Testosterone.
	You put us on a bus and you said, you're going to go to Madison Square Garden.
	You're going to go, you know, to 120 cities across America.
	So we were like rock and roll stars, except for we would kick the shit out of you.
	It was awesome.
	Were you guys doing shows pretty much every, it sounded like from the documentary almost every day.
	We were.
	We were doing it every day.
	I mean, I think that in our contract, we had to do it.
	We did like four days straight and then they'd have to, they had to give us like two days off.
	Right.
	You know, and it seemed like those two days off, we were traveling.
	So it wasn't really like the two days off.
	You're still kind of working because we're traveling.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so 120 cities.
	In the documentary for the tour, it sounded like you guys were compensated a little better than during the actual show.
	So you guys were getting paid, if I'm understanding, very little for the actual show.
	Is that?
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, when I came on, my contract was for 21 shows.
	And I think that year I made a whopping 20 grand, I want to say.
	Something, yeah, it was like something ridiculous, you know.
	Even though it was, we were, we were in the union, but we were in the union at AFTRA before the two unions actually merged.
	Exactly.
	So when I came in, my contract was on the bottom end of the AFTRA scale.
	So I think it was something like, to be honest with you, maybe $5,000, $5.50 a show, something along those lines.
	But I mean, back in the 90s, it was one of the biggest shows on TV.
	There wasn't like, do you guys know how many of you?
	It was like 10 million viewers or even know the numbers on it.
	A shit ton.
	It was a lot.
	A shit ton of views.
	How many viewers, and you look up in the ratings, it says shit tonight?
	A shit ton.
	A lot.
	A lot.
	As far as when you got paid for the tour, you guys were getting paid, was it $5,000 per week?
	I think that was maybe...
	Dan was probably making more.
	Okay.
	But we were.
	He's laughing about this.
	He was.
	Him and Gemini were actually, because I think you guys actually created something to where it's you two got more money than most of us because you were like the captains of the team.
	And so you were keeping together, correct?
	We didn't create that.
	The guy who did the tour, who also did, you know, the Ringo Star tour and a bunch of other cool, cool tours, David Fischoff.
	He came to the two of us who we thought were the most important people he had to have.
	Supply and demand, star power.
	He said, Nitro, Gemini.
	I want you guys.
	And he said, when I get you guys, everybody else will fall in.
	What's it going to take per week to do the deal?
	And, you know, that's how it is.
	They fill your ego.
	They say, you're the most important.
	You're beautiful.
	You're going to be famous.
	You know, that kind of thing.
	And yeah, we fell for it and we took the five grand a week.
	And I'm not sure what everybody else got paid.
	No, I think we were around the same.
	Okay.
	We just thought he was getting like eight.
	Okay.
	No, that was the cash that I haven't reported yet.
	Got it.
	There we go.
	And so the tour, do you guys know?
	Did you hit pretty much every state almost?
	Maybe besides like Alaska?
	Almost.
	Hawaii.
	I think we all, yeah, almost we did.
	We didn't hit Hawaii.
	We didn't hit Alaska.
	I would say, well, 126 cities.
	126 cities, including Madison Square Garden, but not Alaska, not Hawaii.
	I was just looking there and someone said Madison.
	They said that you were still in your dad's, you know what.
	When the show was going on.
	When the show was on, but do they know?
	He actually is my father.
	So.
	Yeah, I don't know if you guys know that.
	Confirm.
	That's how we were able to book them.
	Yes.
	This is actually familial.
	Yeah.
	The daughter.
	So I was.
	Usually my mouth is much more free with the words on San Jose.
	It's kind of awkward with you here right now.
	I have to say.
	Yeah, it's a little awkward.
	Be free.
	It's okay.
	No, Okay, on that note.
	On that note.
	So I want to go back a little bit, background stuff here.
	So, Dan, you played college football at, was it San Jose State, right?
	Can I tell you why I picked San Jose State?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Two reasons.
	They had a great damn football team, but at that time, we were voted in the top 10 party schools in America.
	It was like San Diego State, San Jose State.
	And I went up there to San Jose, which now is, you know, Silicon Valley, much, much different than it was when I went up there.
	When I went up there, it was this old beaten-down town.
	And I came from Orange County, California.
	And when I went up there, it was nighttime.
	And they, I don't know if you guys know that, you know, when they recruit a football player, they take them on trips.
	They hook you up with cheerleaders.
	They walk you around campus.
	Everything I saw was at night.
	And I go, this is a great town.
	And I decided to go there, got a scholarship, and went back up the first day there.
	I'm walking outside my dorm, and a homeless woman lifts her dress up and pees on in front of me.
	And I'm like, I remember running into the dorm, calling my dad.
	I said, Dad, a woman just peed on the street.
	You know, I can't go to school here.
	But I ended up sticking it out, and it ended up being quite a party school.
	I joined a frat, Sigma Alpha Epsilon.
	Sig up, is that?
	Is it Sig up or?
	Sigma Alpha Epsilon.
	Well, the short.
	They call it SIGEP now.
	You guys are so trendy.
	You guys are shortening the same.
	LOL.
	L-O-L.
	L-O-L-L-O-L.
	Be right back, right?
	All your things that you guys do on your devices.
	I think there's a SIG UP here at UCSB.
	Sigma Alpha Epsilon.
	Excuse me.
	Sigma.
	I think there's Sigma.
	It is worthy of saying the whole word.
	I believe there's a Sigma Alpha Epsilon here at UCSB.
	So maybe knock on the door and be like, hey, what's up?
	I'm one of your.
	Oh, you can't do that?
	I'm a bro.
	They would let me in.
	Oh, they would.
	There's like a handshake, right?
	Do you still know the handshake?
	Of course I know the handshake.
	Of course, you know.
	I can't tell you.
	That's secret.
	They cut your limbs in.
	It's very secret.
	It's like that number seven on your collar.
	I don't know what that means.
	You don't know what it is.
	They do want to punch you seven times.
	Oh, fuck.
	Oh, shit.
	Good time.
	Okay.
	Well, maybe this will be the show people find out.
	So you played college football.
	You were in a fraternity.
	You graduated from San Jose.
	And then you became, was this before college?
	You became a bouncer.
	Is that correct?
	At the nightclub?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And that's where you met your son's mother.
	Son's mother.
	Baby mama.
	Baby mama.
	Teresa.
	And when it comes to dating, it was your first, my understanding from the book, it was your first night working.
	Your very first night working, you met Teresa.
	I met Teresa.
	It was an 18 and older bar.
	Yeah.
	You know, where they could come in.
	And she, I love your hat, by the way.
	Thank you.
	I love that hat.
	What does it represent?
	It is actually a German soldier helmet.
	From World War One.
	Archduke transferred it in.
	Does mom know you have that on?
	When's the first time you put that hat on?
	It's been a while, I think.
	Does mom know?
	Do you wear it every show?
	I do wear it every show.
	It's kind of her calling call.
	Yeah.
	You want to wear it, don't you, Dan?
	Well, no, I don't.
	You know what?
	We do have, we have more than one if you'd like to join in on the fun.
	If you'd like to talk about that, that's cool.
	Father-daughter.
	That's kind of weird.
	Father-daughter.
	Remember, I never liked you calling me daddy.
	Oh.
	Call me dad.
	Daddy.
	Papa.
	What about father?
	Father's fine, but don't call me daddy.
	That's weird.
	Okay.
	I don't think I've ever called my father daddy.
	Yeah.
	So back to San Jose State.
	And on that note.
	And then.
	Yeah.
	No, so you're working at a nightclub as a bouncer.
	And that was before or after college?
	It was right after college.
	I was trying to get on with the football team.
	I was working at a bouncer, 18 and over bar.
	She walks in.
	She's 28, trying to fit in with 18-year-olds.
	That should tell you everything you need to know about her.
	And yeah, we hooked up.
	And then I got a beautiful son.
	It's a short version.
	There you go.
	And then from there, you went to Italy to play in the Italian Football League, which American football league in Italy, which I didn't even know was a thing until I read the book.
	And Nick, maybe if you want to pull up the Wikipedia just to give people a little context.
	But so you went to Italy and you played for just one season in Italy.
	Is that yo, FTG, thank you for the 50 gifted memberships.
	Yeah.
	We'll do a little salute there.
	Yeah, so it's the Italian Football League and they play American football because I know like when you think of, I guess Europe, you think of football, you think of soccer.
	I'm probably going to get a few Europeans upset for that one.
	And you played for one season in Italy.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, so they played American football in Italy.
	They've been doing it for quite a few years.
	They actually have a European league as well.
	And then the NFL had a league over there called the World Football League, which they tried out for.
	You know, for me, my son's mother was pregnant.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I don't want to have a kid.
	And the opportunity comes up on a Tuesday from a buddy of mine, Bobby Frasco, who played football at San Jose.
	They stayed with me.
	He says, hey, I can get you a job over in Italy, three Americans per team.
	Do you want to come play American football?
	And I was like, yeah.
	And I left on Saturday.
	And it was a fantastic experience.
	There's a great John Grisham book called Playing for Pizza, which doesn't chronicle my journey, but it chronicles an American football player's journey in Italy.
	And look, you practice two days a week.
	You had games on Saturdays and you're pounding pasta.
	But the interesting thing about Italy, they have a very, very, no, it's really weird.
	I know where it's going.
	They have a very strong transsexual pop, not strong, not like they lift.
	But it's a large transsexual population which act as sex workers and models that are in Italy.
	I just thought I would share that with you in case you ever go to Italy, Brian, and you're lonely.
	Not really my thing, you know, but you don't know until you try it.
	I don't know if there will be a try.
	I don't know if there will be a try, but I appreciate you looking out for me.
	But so did you encountered.
	Did you encounter?
	Did you participate?
	Did you participate?
	Was it?
	I encountered.
	So the way the clubs work, I was right outside of Milan, which was the model capital of the world, the fashion capital of the world, Giorgio Romani.
	And the clubs are these huge, huge warehouses.
	And they just go on and they rage.
	And it's like a party.
	And the first night I'm there, I look over and I see this fantastic looking woman.
	And she's like, you know, five foot 10.
	And she's walking around in a bra and garters and boosty and high heels, walking around the club like this.
	And I look at my guys, Italian guys, oh, that girl.
	I mean, she's amazing.
	They're like, no, no, no, no, that's not a girl.
	And I'm like, what?
	Are you kidding me?
	And her name was Paula.
	Not Paul, but Paula.
	And she was actually a famous fashion model.
	She was on the cover of the magazines.
	It was something that, you know, back there in Italy was very, they're very comfortable with it.
	It wasn't, you know, it wasn't controversial.
	Right.
	They put her, her, I guess.
	I get so confused on magazine covers.
	And I ended up, you know, becoming friendly with her.
	And it was interesting.
	How friendly.
	Yeah, when you say friendly, what are we talking about here?
	Come on, Dan.
	Give it up.
	No, I never tested the waters.
	Come on.
	Okay, okay.
	But let's say I saw the goods, but I never tested the waters.
	And yeah, I can tell you for a fact, at least from my singular observation, because she would walk around in this garter, like with no panties on.
	And, you know, I think one day, one of the guys said, hey, let me see what it looks like.
	And she, you know, she didn't care.
	She did.
	And it looked normal.
	It looked normal.
	Yeah, it looked normal.
	No, because they had the operation.
	Okay.
	Okay, so she got the goods removed and got the replacements.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Look, everyone has a right to be who they want to be, right?
	And she was, you know, I guess, you know, before her time, if that's what she wanted to do, you know, hey, sure.
	It's her life, you know, or his life.
	I've never seen the post-op look.
	I've only seen it once.
	One time in Italy.
	And it looked, you said, and it was dark, it was a nightclub, and it was just like, you know, I felt like a gynecologist.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, it wasn't a sexual adventure.
	Like, hey, baby, it was just like, oh, let me see.
	Let me put my little light on here.
	You know, Professor, okay.
	You were curious, right?
	You're curious.
	I was curious.
	Yeah, curiosity killed the cat.
	And I was like, no, okay.
	Okay.
	No, it's all good.
	Thank you, Paula.
	And, you know, I moved on.
	There you have it.
	There you have it.
	So you're in Italy.
	They have a crazy fascination with, that's new to me.
	Well, I did see it in the book.
	I don't think they have a clitoris.
	I don't think so.
	No, I saw someone in the chat say giant clitoris.
	I don't think they have a clitoris.
	There is another story in the book, though, about that, which we will get into.
	So you were in Italy.
	Can you ask her something?
	Yes, I'm not sure.
	I'm reading the comments right now.
	I'm launching my ass off.
	Asking for a friend.
	I'm wondering how we went from like football in Italy to a child.
	Well, it's a chapter in his book.
	So one last thing with Italy.
	So with the Italian Football League, they have their kind of their own version of the Super Bowl.
	Yeah, I'm sweating.
	I don't know how you backed me into that corner.
	So you won the Italian Super Bowl with your football team.
	That's right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We had such a funny name.
	It was the Busto Sizio.
	It was the city that we played for.
	It was right outside of Milan, and our name was the Frogs.
	The Busto Sizio Frogs.
	The Frogs.
	But you know what?
	It was such a great adventure, you know, to be 23 years old, to live in Italy, to get paid, to see the country.
	Yeah, it was such a, what an amazing country.
	What an amazing experience.
	What year was that?
	Was that in 90?
	It was a long time ago.
	It was 80s, 80s, right?
	My dude, long time ago.
	Okay.
	I don't want to date.
	I don't want to date anything.
	So did you think about doing multiple years there, like continuing on, or was it like just a one-year offer sort of?
	Well, so if you played in the NFL, they made a new rule.
	You could not play in Italy.
	So I went and played in the NFL for the Rams briefly.
	Then I could not go back and play.
	Okay, I see.
	Yeah, so pretty much as soon as you finished up in Italy, you went and played for the LA Rams in the NFL.
	Yes, sir.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	Okay, so I'm going to, I've asked you a bunch of questions.
	We have Vice here.
	We have Lori.
	So I do want to come back to, let's maybe bring it back to dating for a little bit.
	So you mentioned, you mentioned generally, like you're almost exclusively romantically, you date women, right?
	So I'm curious, like, what's your type when it comes to the ladies?
	Good question.
	Someone who's hot, who's got a great personality.
	Somebody I connect with.
	Got it.
	Do you like, do you like tall women, short women, petite women, muscular women?
	Oh, well, now you're really back in the anaconda.
	Okay.
	I'm not really into muscular women.
	Not at all.
	I like girl girls.
	Okay.
	I don't like masculine women.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah, there's a lot of, you know, gay lesbian women out there that if they're feminine than theirselves, they like that real hardcore kind of dikey girl.
	Not into that.
	Not whatsoever.
	Okay.
	Not my type.
	I always, it's interesting.
	I've always been super attracted to blondes, but I've always wound up with brunettes.
	Interesting.
	I don't know how that happens.
	But yeah, I mean, I don't necessarily, I can't really say I have a type type, but I don't know.
	Just, yeah, I guess I kind of do in a way, don't I?
	You've seen all that girls.
	I think all the girls from the last few years I've seen you with, they're always very, very attractive.
	And sometimes I thought that I was going to be dating a girl only to find out this one is dating her.
	Oh, are you talking?
	Oh, wait, okay, I was thinking there's a Chicago.
	That wasn't.
	Yeah, we'll get to that.
	That wasn't the only time.
	So the joke is: you know, who slept with the most people on the most girls on gladiators?
	And everyone looks to me, but it is definitely not me.
	I feel like you have game, Lori.
	I do have game.
	You've got game.
	I get that impression from you.
	So.
	I like how Madison's nodding her head looking at me.
	Oh, okay.
	Madison.
	Watch out, Steve.
	Watch out, Frankie.
	Watch out, Frankie.
	She's just too young.
	She's coming for it.
	She's just too young.
	But did you have an interest in any of the other gladiators?
	Was there ever inter-gladiator romance?
	It's interesting because I was never attracted to any of the gladiators.
	Right.
	Because you said you're not really into muscular.
	Yeah, the one thing, though, is before I was on the show, I always thought that Ray Hollitt was hot.
	I mean, she was.
	She's Zap.
	Back in the day, yeah.
	She was hot.
	But then obviously I got to know her.
	And it wasn't that attraction went away.
	It was more of she's now my gladiator sister.
	You know, and I didn't look at her that way whatsoever.
	But before I was on the show, I did look at her that way, just a tad.
	Okay.
	But it's interesting because the game, the game comes from the chase as well.
	You know, and it's like when we were on tour, and it's kind of like, you know, Dan's like, how do you know when they're gay?
	It's just that look.
	You know, it's the look that the girl gives you that you can just, you can feel it and you just know.
	You know, and so it's, it's kind of a fun thing.
	It really is.
	The guys, the guys are going just, you know, they just go all balls out for the girl.
	Boom.
	There is no game.
	I don't think so anymore.
	No game?
	I don't know.
	Do you have game?
	Now?
	I don't know.
	I don't think I have game anymore.
	You don't need game anymore.
	No, he doesn't.
	It was there, but it's gone.
	He's like, it's.
	You know what?
	I just don't think I have that.
	I have that need to be seen by other women.
	I feel pretty darn shit.
	I feel pretty darn good about myself.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't need that.
	Oh, is that girl checking me out?
	Oh, is this girl checking me out?
	And yeah, I still need it.
	Well, it's nice.
	You don't need it anymore.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You had to have had it back then.
	He did, because he had it.
	But it was more his looks, to be quite honest with you.
	You were saying you were getting the most attractive.
	Dan was handsome.
	Can we get, Nick, can you pull up some Google image search of Dan and all of his ex-girlfriends?
	Maybe also you have a video from Ice here, but well, you also have, I mean, you've been in a, you said seven-year relationship.
	So, you know, I don't want to have game.
	You got to shut it off.
	You got to shut it off.
	He does have to shut it off.
	You know, it's something that.
	Well, maybe game for other women, right?
	Yeah, but you know what it is?
	Like, for me, I've learned that if I need to be, if I want to be committed, I've got to shut it off.
	Very true.
	You know, all of a sudden, I look, you know, every woman is like my sister now.
	You know, I just like, no, And I, you know, for me, you know, I have a very strong drive in everything.
	So I have to put blinders on, you know, and walk and focus.
	And I can't even start to entertain that.
	You know, when Muscles of Mayhem came out in Netflix, you know, Ice and I, Laura and I were talking about how our DMs blew up.
	You know, people, I wasn't quite getting the DMs Lori was getting.
	I'll let her talk about that, but they blew up.
	And I just could not let myself go down that because it's too easy to stray, especially today.
	It's just too easy.
	And I just, I can't.
	Social media, yeah.
	Yeah, I can't do it.
	So Lori had the DMs.
	Lori had the game.
	Dan had the DMs.
	Tell us about your DMs, Lori.
	Yeah, and just some context, if anybody's just tuning in, the Netflix documentary came out.
	I think it was number one on Netflix for, at least, I saw that as number one on Netflix for a couple weeks or something.
	I think it went three weeks.
	The documentary was fantastic.
	I thought it was great.
	And so, but I imagine, as you guys just mentioned, there's some DMs.
	You guys were getting some DMs from.
	But it's interesting because this is what we were talking about before.
	Right when Netflix, when that hit, all of our DMs were just like going crazy on all the social medias.
	And see, we didn't experience the social media back then, but now we're experiencing it now, which is a whole different ballgame because it's like there's hundreds, just boom, every day just popping off.
	But we noticed something.
	As the weeks went by, they started dropping off.
	So it went from like, you know, hundreds a day down to 50, down to 20, down to five.
	It's like, really?
	That's how quickly this social media makes everything turn and burn.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, it is fast.
	To where if we were back in the day and we were, you know, not aging ourselves, but if we, if there was no social media, we would still be on Netflix, probably number one.
	You know, we would still be like super big out there.
	But now, uh-uh, it's like next.
	Well, yes.
	Next.
	That's a really good point.
	Like, I think people's attention spans are very short.
	They're looking for the new, like the new thing.
	Back, I think, you know, before social media, there was a bit more longevity for certain things.
	Well, it's not only social media, it's Netflix drops their whole season at one time.
	Right.
	So, and when talking to them, when this was coming to be released, they don't do their marketing until like two weeks before because when you see something, Netflix consumers, they demand to see the show right after they see it.
	So the window has gone from our show, which was on for 26 weeks, where you get 26 weeks of that push, where now it's literally you get a weekend.
	It's like Mission Impossible, right?
	The newest one.
	Yeah, Mission Impossible.
	That's great.
	Then Barbie came out.
	Mission Who?
	You know, one week later.
	Yeah, that's exactly it.
	So quick.
	Super quick.
	Yeah, so it's a different cycle.
	What Netflix started to do for some of your favorite shows, like Love is Blind, which I love that show for some reason.
	Love is an experiment, but Love is Blind is they'll save the last episode.
	So you can't sign up for 30 days and then drop.
	They'll make that last episode come out six weeks after.
	And they found out that people will have a tendency to stay on Netflix if they stay longer than 30 days for that second month.
	And yes, there's a documentary, Muscles and Mayhem Netflix.
	Nick, were you able to pull up the we had some photos here?
	All right, this is Dan Nitro Clark.
	We got some, scroll down just a bit.
	Oh, keep going.
	I like the shirtless one.
	Go back up, other way, other way.
	Is it middle?
	There you go.
	Oh, no.
	You look old there.
	Go down right there, right next to it on the left.
	There's one where you're kind of like hugging.
	Scroll down.
	Oh, that's the group.
	Actually, pull up some of the group ones.
	The group photos.
	Oh, I'm kissing Billy right there.
	That is so damn cute.
	The black and white ones.
	Scroll down, Nick.
	Some of the group ones, maybe pull up.
	Okay.
	Now, did you have?
	Would you consider what you had hairstyle-wise?
	Is it a mullet?
	Was it a mullet?
	Now it's a mullet.
	It happened.
	It looked good.
	That's funny.
	Yeah, he doesn't know.
	It was just called long hair.
	Okay, okay.
	I wasn't sure what the.
	No, I think a mullet's like when it's short here.
	Shit, is it short on the side?
	It's the Joe Dirt haircut.
	Yeah, who's the country comedian right now?
	He's got a mullet.
	He's really Theo Vaughn.
	Theo Vaughn.
	Theo Vaughn's got a lot of stuff.
	He's got a mullet.
	Okay.
	And he's very funny.
	You had the flow.
	You just had the flow.
	You guys even know who Fabio is, right?
	Yeah, I know Fabio.
	You do?
	So Fabio.
	He made it to the next generation.
	Thank God.
	Something is sacred.
	You guys remember Fabio?
	Yeah.
	Nick, we have a video that we can watch really quick from, I think it's the American Gladiator YouTube.
	Well, just a short piece of it.
	Just start from the beginning.
	Damn, look at those abs.
	So this is ice on the show.
	And we'll just play a little 30-second portion of it.
	Can you boost the audio a little bit?
	I've got so did you actually carve that ice?
	Oh, no.
	What was your guys's...
	I just seem to have an attitude.
	We'll pause it there.
	What was your guys' favorite event?
	Mine was definitely Powerball.
	All those tackles that you saw.
	That was Powerball.
	That was amazing.
	You know, I just love being on camera.
	You know, truth to me.
	I love being on camera.
	Which one?
	The events, my favorite, the least of favorite was this event.
	You can look it up on YouTube.
	It was Hang Tough.
	Was that with the rings?
	No, not Hang Tough.
	Human Cannonball.
	Human Cannonball.
	See, I got hit in the head too many times.
	I can't remember.
	Human Cannonball was this crazy event.
	It was like, hey, I'm going to go stand in the street.
	Hit me with your car.
	That's what it was like.
	Why don't you explain what you're doing?
	Oh, is that when you're up on a pedestal and then the contender starts?
	You swing down.
	And basically, by the time they swing down and hit you, they're 10 times their body weight.
	And they gave us this little tiny pad about three inches thick, maybe a couple feet wide in width to deflect.
	Stupidest game in the world.
	I mean, it was like insane.
	I'm not crazy.
	That's how Malibu got injured really bad, right?
	Because the guy kind of like kicked him or whatever.
	Kind of sort of.
	Kind of sort of.
	Oh, is there a Baxter out there?
	The boo.
	The boo.
	You know what?
	You should find that clip.
	That clip is immortal.
	It is funny.
	That one of Malibu gets knocked out and his hair knits.
	You can just on YouTube search Malibu.
	I think he knocked out will probably be the search term.
	And that is like the iconic clip, I think, of that generation of American gladiators that most people remember.
	And I think if you watch it right away, I'll take you like, oh, it's kind of cool.
	They were spandex.
	They were oiled up.
	You know, it was, they got muscles.
	Muscles.
	Doing this like consistently as like your job, obviously, over a span of years.
	Like, did you ever get like super, super, super, super like tired and exhausted or did the adrenaline kind of just keep you alive?
	For me personally, the adrenaline kept me alive.
	And yes, we had to battle some injuries.
	Some gladiators got hurt worse than others.
	I was just kind of like the gladiator that went, look, I get paid the same win or lose, even though I want to win constantly because that's in my veins.
	That's who I am.
	But if I felt like I was going to be in a compromising position, I'd be like, go ahead.
	I didn't want to tear an ACL.
	Didn't want to do that because basically, we were.
	You know, you get hurt, you're out, you don't get paid, you're done, and we knew that like that, she's like really serious yeah yeah seriously, yeah.
	Well there, that's what happened with well, I think quite a few gladiators got oh yeah they, they were out and that's why we went through so many gladiators.
	Nick, do you have the clip?
	I'm trying to find a good video for it.
	Didn't Malibu got knocked out?
	Yeah, if you search like the key term American gladiator, Malibu gets knocked out, gets knocked out, you should.
	If it's on youtube, you should be able to find it.
	So I think there's this rumor.
	They thought you're her dad.
	Is it this one?
	No, we think so there's a rumor.
	Wait yeah NICK Audio, Audio OR Siblings.
	Actually, I liked Malibu in the documentary.
	I was kind of a little bummed to learn that he only had one season.
	I actually interviewed him tomorrow on my podcast.
	Oh awesome, who tries to deflect this blow by Brian Hudson, but catches it right flat on the chest.
	Well, the interview's the best after oh, there's an interview.
	Okay, find the interview after it, because he talks about, oh, he talks about catching waves.
	Dude, it was so uh, iconic of the time.
	Yeah, it was just what happened bro, and he's like, dude, I was just catching some rays, I was drinking some brews and he lifts bibs.
	Yeah, next thing I knew the lights were out.
	Look, it was just uh.
	It was uh iconic for the time period and he was playing this character.
	I mean, he really played up to his character.
	Sweet.
	Well, that's...
	You got the end of it.
	That was the end of it.
	Producer Nick, by the way.
	What a line of mouth.
	Sweet.
	Hey Malibu, after you got drilled by that human, can I thought hey, there is no way this guy is gonna live to play.
	Wait, pause it.
	Nick, did you go to the hot?
	Can you put us on the other side?
	Yeah no, do you know how to?
	No no no, there's, there's two sources you can do it, just just no, I think it's the top one.
	There you go, okay.
	Hospital, did you get x-rays?
	World dudes like this.
	I saw this guy coming and I took the most excellent hit of my life.
	Next thing I knew I was on the beach taking in some cosmic rays, getting healed by mother nature, taking a little brisky, holding on a beautiful babe, and i'm fine today.
	So no hospital, no doctors, just mother nature.
	Huh oh, i'm a child of mother nature.
	What do you expect, Malibu?
	You are truly amazing.
	He took a licking and he is still ticking.
	Look at that head.
	Hair brushed off the shoulder, I feel.
	And that was.
	Was that 89 89 89, 1989.
	I think most people who've watched your show and most of the panel weren't even born then.
	It's like a time capsule.
	You go back in time, and that's where you would see.
	Wait a minute.
	Don't we still have, isn't there a channel on Pluto still?
	The American Gladiator channel?
	No, no, no.
	No, American Gladiators, okay, that YouTube, they have a channel where you can go see.
	There's a lot.
	Yeah, but also, Vice actually just started running old episodes of American Gladiators, someone told me.
	I want to know who's taking it over.
	Do you know that yet?
	No, I don't know.
	The intellectual property?
	The IP is owned by AGM.
	No, talking about the reboot.
	Oh, there's a reboot.
	Possibly.
	I've heard there is.
	That'd be cool.
	That'd be cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I feel like, but the show kind of, I think, came into its own in the early 90s.
	Like, because the first season was 89, I think.
	And I don't know.
	I feel like 90s is kind of like peak.
	Peak civilization.
	I think it's when Eitan and who else came in as producers.
	Oh, Eitan was a guy who came in, but Bob Levy.
	Bob Levy.
	Bob Levy.
	The little dude.
	Okay, on the muscle name.
	Do you see the little jumping little penises that he had on his desk?
	Bob Levy.
	Wait, he looked like a little short troll man.
	He was on that documentary.
	On the documentary.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So Bob Levy was a director that we brought in who was a sports director, I think, for the second season.
	Him along with Aktong Keller kind of took the show out of the dark ages, which you saw to what it was known as a bigger spectacle of a show.
	But Bob Levy, he was a freak.
	He was.
	He was a complete porn star freak.
	Yeah, sometimes it takes a freak to be genius to create something like that.
	And he was just a guy who lived in the Hollywood Hills.
	He's a great dude, but he's like 5'3 and he had these glasses.
	And you would think he would be a librarian.
	But that dude could party.
	He had this house up on Mulholland Boulevard and it was legendary, you know, porn stars, people skinny dipping.
	And yeah, if you went to one of his parties, you came out changed.
	I heard that on the documentary, actually.
	Like they're like, the cop showed up four different times.
	Like they were just going in on that, saying how he threw the craziest parties.
	Madison.
	Yes.
	You came out changed.
	How did you?
	What was your experience?
	Does that mean you go in?
	What does that mean?
	How did you come back out changed?
	What was your personal experience?
	Well, I came from that life, but one of our good friends, Gladiator, Jim Caliphate, Laser, he's a country boy from Montana.
	He had never seen anything like that.
	And he went to the party at Bob Levy's house just once.
	Just once.
	And it changed him.
	I mean, he was no longer the same man.
	You know, it's, I don't even know how to explain it.
	He just changed.
	In a good way?
	Would you say it was a good way?
	I don't even know what you're talking about right now.
	I don't even know.
	I have no idea what you're talking about.
	What do you mean, change?
	Jim was my root.
	He just changed.
	I mean, you saw the world.
	You see the world in a different way.
	Through porn star eyes?
	What?
	Well, through eyes of realizing what was out there if you lived a sheltered life.
	That makes sense.
	You know what I mean?
	So if you grew up, you know, and you were very sheltered and you, you know, yes, ma'am, thank you, sir.
	Yeah, Brian's coughing.
	He must have been sheltered.
	Country boy from Montana to that?
	I see it.
	And then all of a sudden, you just, you know, like you go to the Playboy Mansion.
	You're like, oh my God.
	This goes on in the world?
	Ooh, that's cool.
	Have you ever been there?
	Have you ever been?
	I remember the first time I was at the Playboy Mansion and the girls were painted.
	I didn't realize they were painted.
	I mean, they were just naked walking around.
	And I was just like, holy shit.
	When you realize that, it's like.
	Oh, they painted to look like they had clothes on.
	Exactly, but they were completely naked.
	It was just the most amazing thing you'd ever seen.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	I know they did that there.
	Oh, it was cool.
	It was, it was a lot of fun.
	Would you guys go together?
	Would like a group of gladiators go to the Playboy Mansion?
	I never went with any gladiators.
	I was invited.
	I was invited a couple times through other people, you know, different producers or directors or things like that.
	Went into Heft's theater.
	I mean, sat down, watched old movies.
	That was just, you know, just knowing that you were at this Playboy Mansion with all these beautiful people walking around.
	It was just unbelievable.
	His backyard with all the, oh my God, his animals.
	Just insane.
	Animals.
	Yeah.
	He had a bunch of them.
	I want to bring it back to the tour that you guys were on.
	So, and you guys mentioned groupies.
	You guys had some groupies.
	Did they join?
	Did they join you guys on tour at all?
	Or was this just like in each new city you're in?
	There's some girls that, you know, you were the king.
	No, you maybe were the king.
	No, We had fun.
	We had fun.
	I don't think we had groupies that would follow us.
	Okay.
	And now, possibly if we were like from an hour, you know, an hour to two hours from the next city, then yes.
	Got it.
	But to actually follow the bus and, you know, around 126 cities.
	No, we didn't have that.
	But yes, there was like, you know, they were at the shows.
	I don't want to say they're groupies.
	I don't know.
	Well, I think the idea is that when you're on TV and you're traveling around the country in a bus, what is the availability of sex from people that you could be interested in?
	100% available.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, like, we were talking about the Playboy Mansion earlier.
	I don't think it even exists.
	Does it even exist now?
	I think it's a good idea.
	I think it's a shadow of its former self.
	And I think they sold it.
	Like, I never went.
	I was invited a lot, but I'm like, why do I want to go there?
	But you didn't go there, but you dated some Playboy bunnies, right?
	Or was it the porn stars?
	I'm trying to find out.
	What's the list of words you can't say?
	You can't say these words.
	Look, he wrote down the words.
	But, you know, it was, yeah, you run in those circles.
	So there was a place called the Hollywood Tropicana, which is off Sunset Boulevard, and it was where they had mud wrestling.
	Perfectly legitimate, fun mud wrestling.
	I don't know if that's a thing still, but where you get girls in bikinis and they would wrestle.
	And a lot of the girls.
	No, it's not a thing anymore?
	I think it's outdated.
	It's dated.
	Okay, so you had mud wrestling.
	Yeah, I don't think they do it that anymore.
	No, they don't.
	But they do.
	Now you have mud runs.
	There you go.
	Now you have mud runs.
	Now you have mud runs.
	But there was a thing called mud wrestling.
	If you watch like a comedy from the 80s or 90s.
	Oh, no, I've heard of it.
	Certainly.
	I've heard it's a thing.
	It was a thing.
	And this place had, you know, most attractive girls.
	Some were bunnies.
	Some worked in the porn industry.
	And, you know, if you were in the industry, if you were, you know, on TV or an athlete, a lot of professional athletes go, that's where you would go meet a lot of these girls.
	But I never went to the Playboy Mansion.
	I was asked, you know, quite a few times.
	I just thought like, you know, those girls are there looking, in my opinion, looking for a sugar daddy.
	And I just wanted someone who liked me.
	You know what I mean?
	Which I don't know if anybody ever did.
	On the tour, just bringing it back to the groupies.
	So you were in 120 cities.
	Confirm or deny a new girl in every city?
	Oh, God, no.
	No, okay, not every city.
	Only half for Lori.
	Okay.
	70, maybe 70, 70 cities.
	I can honestly say I can look back and I can count on one hand how many girls I was with on that on that tour.
	Oh, okay.
	That must be nice.
	I can't remember anything.
	You can't really.
	No, I don't remember anything.
	I can't remember all of them, but I know I wasn't, it wasn't like that.
	Okay, maybe two.
	Hands.
	I'm kidding.
	Two hands.
	Okay.
	I mean, I imagine because I mean, looking at the documentary, you guys were constantly traveling, which must be tiring.
	And not only traveling, but you were doing, you said, four shows a week.
	I mean, I almost feel like you'd just be so tired.
	You're not tired.
	You're not tired.
	You're never that tired.
	I was saying earlier that you're never that tired.
	The adrenaline keeps you alive.
	We were doing six shows a week.
	I mean, it was like Madison Square Garden on Friday night, get on the bus, go to Long Island, do a show.
	Get on the bus the next night, go to Philadelphia, do a show.
	Take maybe Monday and Tuesday off most, then go to the next city and do another show.
	But man, you know what?
	You're in front of, you know, 15,000 screaming people.
	How can you, you know, not get pumped up?
	How can you not get excited for that?
	Yeah, that's true.
	You know, knowing that, you know, some little kid with his parents may be saved up to come and see you.
	How could you not feel the responsibility to go out and give a good show and deliver?
	Well, night after night.
	What was the largest audience that you guys ever had?
	Madison Square Garden.
	MSG.
	Was it 20,000, 15,000?
	Like how many.
	Whatever Madison Square Garden.
	What's it hold?
	Yeah, I'll look it up.
	But we sold it out.
	MSG seats 19,500 capacity.
	So pretty much 20,000.
	Wow.
	That was the only night I think that we fought over who was going to do the events.
	You know, because everybody wanted to be out in front of that crowd.
	I don't personally like to do the joust whatsoever.
	Did you guys ever feel like competitive with each other?
	Oh, God.
	Yes.
	I think so.
	Especially the girls.
	I don't know about the guys, but the girls were, we were competitive in a different way than the guys, I think.
	But that particular night, again, nobody, I hate doing the joust, but we were fighting over who was going to do the joust because you were center stage in front of 19,500 people.
	Wow.
	And just the roar of the crowd, you can't even put that in words, what you feel like when you hear that.
	That's got to be like this glorious feeling, just like the they're all cheering for you.
	That's that's awesome.
	My girlfriend called it like she watched the documentary, and when you know, she goes, when I saw you running around and you're just like going like this the whole time, she goes, it was almost like the egogasm, you know, because it was just I love that word.
	Yeah, it was just, it was just an incredible feeling.
	It was like you were, I was in my element.
	You know, when you're in your element, you're performing at your best 100%, then life is good.
	Life is very good.
	Egogasm.
	I love that.
	That's such a great word.
	I've never seen that.
	It's good, though.
	That's my makeup word.
	I like that.
	I'm going to get a shirt.
	There you go.
	There we go.
	Sell it out.
	Let me make it first and I'll sell it to you.
	You're going to finally get a piece of merch.
	Exactly.
	You know, it's interesting, you know, because the show was on quite a long time ago.
	Yeah.
	And when I hear so many people say, oh, God, you know, it must have been really tough being famous.
	And I'm like, what are you talking about?
	The burden of fame.
	It was such a privilege to be famous.
	It was such a privilege for people to want your time and attention, to want you to shine your light on them.
	It was a privilege to go to a great restaurant and, oh, hey, you're that guy.
	Come on in.
	We have a seat for you.
	For me, it was always such a privilege to have that spotlight for a brief moment in time back then.
	And again, it was such a privilege when Muscles and Mayhem came back out on Netflix a month ago to have everything just blow up, to go on all these different talk shows and TV shows and podcasts here with you, the whatever podcast, 5 million subscribers.
	So, I mean, to me, it's such an honor that people are interested in your story and that maybe you can take some of your life experiences and share it with people and that they want to hear it.
	I think where fame gets you in trouble is when you start to only search for the fame, right?
	When you look at fame and you take it as adoration.
	I mean, you take the adoration and applause and you mistake it maybe for love.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, they're clapping for me.
	Oh, they adore me.
	Oh, they love me.
	And when you use that and it fills you in that way, when it goes away, it's a hard, hard time.
	That's when it gets hard.
	Nowadays, I think that since everybody seems to be famous, I mean, let's think of it.
	Seriously, it's like we can, our social media now, it's like you can be, you can have a one hit and go viral, and all of a sudden now you're famous.
	I was gonna say, but what are you famous really for?
	Right.
	That's very true.
	Not really.
	A lot of people get famous for doing absolutely nothing.
	And I feel like it was such a privilege for you guys to be famous at that time because, again, social media wasn't really a thing.
	Right.
	You kind of had to work hard.
	Yeah.
	You had to work hard to become famous.
	Now you don't have to really work hard to become famous.
	You just got to have a really good idea and maybe a really good video that you edit the shit out of that comes out amazing.
	It's way more accessible.
	And I think that's actually kind of like, I think there's less star power today than there used to be.
	Like if you think of like A-list celebrities, I feel like, you know, if you go back 20 years ago, you had Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio.
	Like, I don't think coming along, there's anybody that really strikes me as like, or Tom Cruise.
	Even in the music industry, like, I feel like people quite, well, music industry is a little different, but you had these massive, massive stars.
	And I feel like there's not, it's just more spread thin.
	So we can look in J-Lo's closet now.
	So there's no secrets.
	There's no.
	Yeah, there's not a mystery.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Because back, I mean, being in LA, we could go to a restaurant and a celebrity walks in there.
	Everybody's like, oh my God, you know, and everybody would like, you know, okay, don't go ask them for their autograph.
	They're eating dinner.
	You know, be respectful.
	That's kind of gone.
	Yeah.
	And I think when it came to fame and celebrity, it was kind of being gatekept by institutions.
	So you had, you know, the movie studios, production, like now you can be an individual and gather influence.
	Well, not influence, but you can become famous on an individual level without needing like a production around you.
	100%.
	You need your phone.
	You said it perfectly, Brian.
	The gatekeepers are gone.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And that's both beautiful and it's terrible at the same time.
	Yes.
	Right.
	So anybody can come on for anything.
	Yes.
	The barrier to entry to the media business influencer to be in front makes it more accessible to every man, every woman, every person, which is great.
	But I think what you said is right on.
	The idea of movie star is dead.
	Right?
	Like, who is the young movie stars that people right now are flocking to go see?
	Like, oh my God.
	You know, before, you know, a movie was opening and there was a certain person in it, you were like, oh, he's in this movie.
	I got to see it.
	And now I think what Lori said is so true that the old saying is, never meet your heroes.
	Because you start to meet your heroes and then you meet Will Smith.
	And people become more human and you see them for their flaws and you lose that.
	Fantasy's gone.
	Yeah, the idolization of heroes.
	And I don't know what you guys think if that's good or bad.
	Maybe there is no judgment.
	Maybe it just is.
	And we have to deal with it.
	I think it's kind of bad in the way that no famous person has privacy these days.
	Like everyone on social media will spectate every single thing you do.
	Like this, I guess, model influencer, Kylie Jenner, she hid her pregnancy for so long and the fan, her fans, were the one who figured out she was pregnant and put it out to the world before she even announced it.
	Like you just don't really get privacy nowadays.
	I feel like it's a current.
	We're talking about the Kardashians.
	And they're putting everything out every five minutes of the day.
	But people were.
	People were, yeah, that's true.
	They made their choice to document everything, to let people in, and they've built a huge empire out of it.
	I was watching an interview, and she said that she hid her pregnancy just so like people wouldn't kind of hover her all the time about it.
	They're all on a different level, but they were just like for the viewers and the fans and everything, there were people in helicopters flying over her house to see like what got delivered to her house, like if a crib got delivered to her house.
	Remind me how they got famous again.
	How did they get away?
	Are you serious?
	You don't know?
	Kim Kardashian?
	Is that why?
	Well, what did she do?
	What did she do?
	She made a sex tape.
	Yeah, but way after?
	Wasn't it the O.J. Simpson thing?
	Well, I mean, her father was involved in the OJ Simpson trial, but I mean, I'd probably say it was the sex tape that kind of right.
	So now, you know, the world has changed where you make a sex tape, you release it, and then now you're famous.
	Now, that being said, take nothing away from the Kardashians, right?
	From Chris Jenner.
	She's built an empire.
	That was her.
	Right.
	She's built an empire.
	And I don't care who you are, whether you want it or not, building an empire like they have done, where they've monetized every single thing.
	If that's what you want to do, then, you know, that's good for you.
	Good for you.
	But you look at someone like George Clooney.
	He's opted not to go on social media.
	Yes.
	So that's a choice.
	Right?
	And I think a lot of people are afraid not to be on social media, to not be on social media, because then it's going to hurt their career.
	Like when Muscles and Mayhem came out on Netflix, I didn't have an Instagram account.
	Mine was hacked about a year ago.
	And I just said, oh, I don't need an Instagram account.
	Why?
	And the Netflix publicist is like, you got to have an Instagram account.
	You got to have social.
	I'm like, I do.
	You have to become relevant.
	Yeah, you got to feed the beast.
	You got to feed the beast.
	So, you know, I reopened an account and yeah, it's just interesting.
	And, you know, it's fun posting.
	And now it feels like it's a duty for me.
	And I'm like, why are you doing that?
	Are most of your guys' like, sorry, I interrupted.
	Are most of your guys' DMs and kind of feedback like super positive?
	Or do you find anything negative at times?
	Mine's super positive.
	I don't think we have too much of anything negative because, I mean, our fans are our fans.
	That's very true.
	You know what I mean?
	And they're just so grateful that they have this nostalgic, you know, piece that's out there now, Muscles and Mayhem, that they can reflect back on and go, oh my God, this was part of my childhood.
	This was part of my bringing up.
	It brings them back to a simpler time.
	And a lot of people love to have that feeling because right now it's like so much is crazy and everybody's like, you know, the world is what it is, but yet they just want to, they just want to feel that simplicity again, you know, and they love that nostalgia of that feeling of going back.
	Well, I think it's like a good song, you know, right?
	There's a song that you listen to and you listen to that song.
	Oh man, I remember that was high school when I was a freshman.
	I remember in college I was with my boys or, oh, that's when I was with my boyfriend.
	I don't know why I spoke in that voice.
	But that's when I was with my boyfriend.
	So gladiators is very nostalgic for kids of the 90s.
	And one of the nice things like Lori was saying, we got so many DMs like, oh my God, I watched that show with my dad.
	It was that one moment we had together.
	Oh my God, I watched that show with my little brother.
	And then we'd go out to the backyard and we played gladiators.
	So when Muscles and Mayhem came out on Netflix, it was just really eye-opening to see how important and what a valuable memory that was for a lot of the 90s kids.
	And it's so surprising because they never thought it would happen again.
	They didn't know the union would happen again.
	They didn't.
	And especially for me, going back to where a lot of my DMs were, thank you for giving me the permission to be a strong female.
	You know, because we were ahead of their time.
	You know, the females on the show, we were like, you know, we were muscular.
	We were, you know, powerful.
	We were just like kind of no bullshit.
	And that gave other women in the world at that point in time permission.
	So a lot of my DMs were, thank you.
	Thank you for paving the way.
	Thank you for being this kind of person, your authentic self to, you know, allow us to stand up and be powerful and strong and who we are.
	So that's another super cool thing about getting these types of the feedback.
	That's great.
	Because we didn't have that feedback back then because, again, we didn't have the social media to get that kind of feedback.
	You know, we got fan letters and everything, but the fan, you know, that's a little different story.
	Yeah.
	So that's the good side to social media.
	One of the good things for me is, you know, people from all over the world, you know, on Instagram mainly, have DM'd and, oh, I watched you when I was a kid.
	Oh, thank you.
	You know, I named my dog after you.
	You know, whatever it was.
	Oh, hey, look, I had a rough time in childhood and watching your guys' show, you know, American Gladiators, it made me feel strong.
	That's the good side.
	And I pretty much write back to everybody.
	You know, I'm up late at night and my Kim, my girlfriend's like, you don't have to answer every single DM.
	And I'm like, yeah, I do.
	Yeah, we do.
	We do.
	Very much.
	Well, and this is where it's like, I talked to Laser.
	It was like, dude, you got to get on social media because if, here's the thing, if we have 10 gladiators and we only have two to three gladiators who are on social media and we want to stay relevant and we want to keep that name out there and we want to do things, we want to do personal appearances and we want to do bookings.
	All of us need to be on social media because then we have a presence with all of us, not just one or two.
	It doesn't work that way.
	That's a good point.
	You know, so my social media, I was getting my social media geared up a good year and a half ahead of time.
	I mean, when we started filming the Muscles in Mayhem, and it was like, okay, you need to do a TikTok account.
	I was like, really?
	Your account's awesome.
	Your TikTok account is awesome.
	I mean, I had such a good time building that.
	You know, I really did.
	But at the same time, like he said, it can be daunting because it's like, okay, now you got to do every single platform there is out there.
	We'll talk TikTok, Instagram, Facebook.
	You can link them all together, thank God.
	But at the same time, people want different content for all different platforms.
	Exactly.
	And it's like, okay, you want this, this, this.
	I do a podcast once a week.
	I actually do other people's podcasts.
	So, and posting, it's like, oh my God, when do I find the time?
	I want to last thing here on the tour.
	So there was an anecdote in the documentary and in the book that There was a girl in Chicago, and I guess she was a beauty, and all the gladiators, all the male gladiators were pining over her.
	And there was a wager.
	Can you tell us about the wager?
	So Chicago, where Michael Jordan played, famous city, famous arena.
	We went there on the tour, and there was this super attractive female contender.
	And the boys, you know, all of us were lined up thinking, like, oh, yeah, who can, you know, ask her out?
	And we started, you know, guys in their 20s, we started put a wager on.
	Oh, I could get, oh, no, I could go out there.
	I could go out with her.
	And we put, you know, whatever it was, 50 bucks on this.
	Who could end up dating this girl?
	She was only $50 worth.
	Well, it wasn't the amount of money.
	It was just the idea of like the comedy.
	She could be the most macho guy back in that day and actually pull off this feet.
	And we were like, okay, here she comes, here she comes.
	And after the show, we can't find her.
	So the way it works is you compete on the show.
	Then after the show, there's a green room where there's a meet and greet where all the contenders come in, where the sponsors come in.
	And we're all looking around like, where is she?
	Where is she?
	And we could not find her.
	We didn't know what happened to her.
	We're like, oh, dude, I guess nobody wins the bet.
	And then the next morning at the hotel, what?
	We're packed up.
	We're waiting to go.
	And the elevator doors open.
	And this one, Lori, Fetrick, Ice, comes out with her arm around this girl.
	My arm was not around the girl.
	So was.
	It was around her waist.
	She comes out with her arm around.
	At least that's how you envisioned me.
	That's how my tortured memory was.
	Her arm was around her waist.
	And she looks at all of us and she puts the L writer and she goes, losers.
	And she walks out with the girl.
	Did you know that they were kind of all competing for her?
	Oh, God, yes.
	It was funny.
	So you're like, game on.
	Oh, absolutely.
	She's got the game.
	And so you, was that the only time you ever swooped in from any of the male gladiators and stole a gal from?
	She probably stole my wife.
	I didn't even realize it.
	I'm just a big dumb guy.
	I don't have the game that this one had.
	That is so not true.
	That is so not true.
	No, not at all.
	Ice, ice, baby.
	No, The guys, come on.
	The guys on the tour were, yes, they're just like, you know, big hunts over the girls constantly.
	And it was kind of funny.
	And so, I mean, like I said, you just kind of get that feeling.
	You get that vibe.
	You just know.
	I mean, anyway, I did anyway.
	So it was just fun to watch them, you know, just drooling over some girls and making bets and everything else.
	And I could tell and I could look at the girl whether or not she was into them or not or if she was into me.
	And so I just wouldn't say anything to you guys.
	And I would just watch, you know, and then, yes, that's, it was, it was a swoop in.
	But it was more of a fun swoop in to kind of like.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So there's, but there was a couple swoops.
	There was a couple swoops.
	Couple swoops.
	I want to put the Nike logo on this one.
	Oh, she's swoosh.
	Whatever.
	Swoosh.
	Swoosh.
	You know, it's funny.
	You talk about dating.
	And it just back in those days.
	And it just reminded me, you know, the American Gladiator days.
	And, you know, I know in the documentary on Netflix, they call me a scoundrel.
	You know, but the truth was, when I look back at that time, you know, the one thing I hated was rejection.
	So rarely did I go directly towards a girl.
	Like, hey, you know, some guys had rap.
	Lori had rap.
	She had game.
	For me, it was more like I just kind of hung out and saw who was giving me the vibe.
	Because the worst thing for me at that time, and I don't know if people still suffer from this, was to walk over and say, you know, hey, Madison, you know, I think you're cute, you know, hi.
	Oh, God, get a oof.
	You know, that would have destroyed my ego.
	So my dating style was just to kind of hang out and act cool.
	Like, hey, yo, you know, flip my hair a little bit back when I had a lot and then see who I could see like kind of checking me out.
	And, oh, yeah, she's kind of looking at me.
	And I'd usually wait for the girl to make the first move, you know, to come up and approach me because that felt safer.
	Right.
	That is still really present nowadays.
	Like a lot of people.
	Oh, well, yeah, of course people, nobody likes to be.
	I'm scared to approach women because of rejection and things like that.
	So it's still a thing.
	Yeah, well, you know what?
	Rejection, it's, I don't know.
	You know, I've got friends who've got theories, you know, like, yeah, it's a numbers game.
	You know, you just like your ask 200 women for sex old YouTube video, right?
	One's going to say yes eventually.
	It's a numbers game.
	And I've got friends who just, you know, hey, Madison, you want to go out?
	No, hey, Lori, hey, Kiki, who's changed your name to Ashley Sinclair?
	Do you want to go out?
	You know, they just, it's a numbers game for me.
	It's a numbers game.
	Yeah, but isn't it the numbers game?
	You have to have the thick skin as well, though.
	Yeah.
	You've got to have the thick skin.
	You've got to be able to handle that no.
	Yeah, so I think what I'm trying to say sometimes, if you see someone of the opposite sex that's really attractive and they're not coming up to you and they're not, and you're like, oh, what's wrong with me?
	I think sometimes it's the very attractive person who's actually kind of shy, who's a little insecure.
	That's the reason they're not coming up to you.
	It's not that there's anything wrong with you.
	If I could go back, I would probably approach more women that I thought were attractive that I was interested in.
	Oh, Max, thank you for the 20 gifted subs.
	Thank you.
	Sorry, continue.
	Go on.
	Yeah, so I think that's, you know, if I could go coach myself, I would probably go and talk to that girl that I was interested in instead of waiting for her to talk to me or having a buddy saying, hey, dude, I think she digs you.
	You know, right?
	Yeah, that would suck.
	I feel like a lot of women, too, like, don't really know how to approach men because they expected, but they expect the men to approach them, which is why they kind of have this shyness towards them.
	Yeah, but haven't things changed.
	Just a tiny bit.
	I think it's honestly when it comes to approaching in real life, it's actually probably, well, I think both men and women are approaching far less because you have dating apps.
	So instead of doing this kind of scary thing of approaching a stranger in person and risking that sort of like very upfront in your face kind of rejection, even if it's polite, it still kind of stings a little bit.
	People kind of are just falling back on dating apps.
	It's like, okay, well, it's less personal.
	So if they just don't respond, it's still maybe stings a little bit.
	I don't think I could do dating apps.
	Have either of you ever been on dating apps?
	I was talking about that on the way up here.
	I think that like the dating apps, the tenders and stuff like that, you know, it's like, I don't know.
	It's are they scarier?
	Are they going to put me in their basement and just kill me or something?
	It's like.
	Well, you know, I feel like the thing is, though, is like everybody you meet starts out as a stranger at some point.
	Yeah, but if you meet them, if you meet them in person, you can look in their eyes.
	And most of the time, you get a lot of people.
	You can change up energy.
	Absolutely.
	You can feel their energy.
	You can feel who they are.
	You can't do that online.
	You can't do that on a dating app until you actually meet them.
	And then it could be a little bit too late at that point in time.
	With dating apps, what I always did, I haven't used dating apps in like, I don't know, a couple of days.
	Six days.
	A couple days.
	Yeah, no, I think I, well, I got, it's a long story, but I haven't used them in probably eight months or something.
	I would always set up a phone call because at least with that, I would be able to get a little, I know it's not as good as in person.
	It's not as good as in person, but you can at least get them on the phone and get some sense of.
	Now you can do Zoom.
	You can do that.
	Put them on Zoom.
	Yeah, you could do that too.
	You can do that, maybe.
	I don't know.
	So I kind of fantasize about having dating apps.
	You know, look, I'm very committed to my girlfriend.
	Oh, you would kill it on dating apps.
	Well, there was that series on Hulu was the guy, Jesse Eisenberg, where he's a doctor in New York.
	This came out this year.
	It was about a book.
	Anyway, so he's a doctor, surgeon in New York who grew up.
	He was a nerd.
	Now his wife, she divorces him, and now he's single for the first time, and he's a surgeon in New York, and he's kind of cool.
	And he goes on dating apps.
	He's never been on a dating app, and it's just like, oh, there's all these girls, and they all want to have sex.
	And he just goes on this montage where, you know, he goes from one girl the next to the next to the next because his wife left him.
	And yeah, I was kind of talking to that about my girlfriend.
	Is that your fantasy?
	Well, I just would have been no.
	Yes and no.
	And just to do that.
	You know what we should do right now?
	Just as an experiment.
	You guys got your phones.
	He's committed to that.
	We'll download Tinder on both your phones.
	And by the, you know, you set up a quick profile.
	Well, no, no, no, not for, not, you wouldn't actually legitimately set up a Tinder for you guys just so you guys can see how it is.
	Motorcycle.
	So that you guys can see how it is.
	And, you know, with the disclaimer to your significant others that there's, you know, it's for purely entertainment purposes.
	So, you know.
	It's for a social experiment.
	Experiment for the whatever Podcast So there was a Wait, okay, we already covered the Competition Do you guys, prior to the Netflix talk, would you guys get recognized in public?
	And then after the Netflix talk, would you guys be getting constantly recognized in public?
	I want to answer that for you, but the movie, the TV show on Hulu is Fleischman's in Trouble with Clara Dange and Jesse Eisenberg.
	I haven't seen it.
	The guy from social networks.
	That's kind of why dating apps work to a detriment in these days because a lot of people are going on there to find long-term relationships.
	But also, a lot of people on dating apps are just looking for sex.
	So it's really hard for some people to find what they want on there.
	Yeah, but I mean, isn't it very specific in the very beginning?
	This is what I'm looking for.
	I'm not sure.
	I've never been on dating apps, but can you put that?
	I mean, you can, but like, actually, something that you mentioned in the book, Dan, is, you know, there's, you were, let me see if I have the notes on it.
	Basically, there was a girl who, I think it was Angie.
	And wait, is it anything that's a little bit more?
	Angie's like game job.
	I don't remember.
	And she said that she wasn't into hooking up.
	And you said in the book, and this is something we see on dating apps, people in dating apps will say, not looking for a hookup.
	And usually that's actually an indicator that they're pretty down to hookup.
	You know, not always, not always, but or it could mean that they've recently frequently engaged in hookups, but maybe they got ghosted or the guy didn't text them back, called them back.
	What's your point, Brian?
	Where am I going to?
	Oh, where am I going?
	Well, Lori was saying, well, you could kind of lay that out in the beginning.
	Well, I'm looking for a relationship.
	And I think that, well, I think the thing is, is that it depends which dating app you're on.
	If you're on Tinder, I feel like that's more so typically geared towards hookup.
	You have Bumble, which is the one where women have to message first, at least if it's guys, girls.
	Then there's Hinge, which I think is a bit more relationship geared.
	But I'll know.
	Damn, he knows them all.
	I didn't know that.
	I didn't even.
	I thought they were all just dating it up.
	If you guys need advice, if you guys are ever single again, I'll be happy to give you a rundown on the appropriate dating apps.
	I mean, you date women, so is there.
	You know, I think that, yes, of course, there's got to be dating apps for girls, but at the same time, I think a lot of them are like, just looking for that nice long walk on the beach.
	Fuck that.
	You're not a walk on the beach type of.
	No, I am.
	I totally am.
	What would your dating app say?
	You know, like, I'm not going to be a dad.
	Your profile.
	What's your profile?
	It's like, if I'm going to be on a dating app, I would never be on a dating app because I don't feel like I would have to be on a dating app.
	Okay, let's just pretend like you are in a dating app.
	I want to know what your profile is.
	I want her to lift.
	She's got a story.
	No, no, no, not at all.
	No, I'm not into that.
	But you want someone who exercises.
	Absolutely.
	I want somebody who's fit, you know, because that's me and that's what I'm into.
	So, of course.
	Fit but feminine.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Fit but feminine.
	Fit but feminine.
	I like that.
	It wouldn't be, I'm looking for somebody to walk on the beach, listen to music, da, da, da, da, because that to me is kind of like, okay, I'm looking to have some fun.
	Absolutely.
	Travel, have good communication, but I'm not dead yet.
	I, you know, we're hooking up.
	We're having sex.
	You know, it's, it's, and that's what most lesbians are actually, by the time they hit an older age, they're not into it.
	They're just not.
	They're not into sex sex.
	They've already lost their testosterone.
	They're on the downslide of shit.
	You know, what does one do when you're an older lesbian?
	You lose your testosterone or older girls.
	I don't know.
	I lost mine.
	I actually, I'm saying a straight woman.
	When you start to reach a certain thing, when you start to lose your testosterone, what do you do?
	You take care of the hat.
	Are you talking lesbians or talking just girls in general?
	Women in general.
	Women in general, I mean, think about it.
	They're taking care of the household.
	They're taking care of the children.
	They're raising the children for the next generation.
	That's right.
	That's what they're doing.
	That's kind of like a picturing of a patriarchal society.
	No, it's not.
	No, it's not.
	It's when their testosterone drops.
	You tell me.
	I mean, we were just talking about this before we came in.
	What did you do?
	I've always taken testosterone.
	I've always taken testosterone.
	Not you, your girlfriends.
	Or are they listening right now?
	Are you listening right now?
	Okay, sorry.
	Wait, girlfriends, plural?
	Sorry.
	Plural?
	No, one.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Don't write that down, Brian.
	What's this writing down?
	There's no more body count here.
	There's only the body count is one now.
	Oh, okay.
	You're a semi-born-again virgin.
	You recently lost it.
	You should be able to subtract from your body count, right?
	Subtract from the body count.
	So let's say you're a body count.
	I'm going to do that.
	Wait, hold on.
	Is this like the Ferris Bueller, you know, where they try to put the brick on the reverse pedal and they run the car on reverse?
	No, it's more like hot tub time machine.
	Reduce these, like lower the odometer or whatever, speedometer.
	Oh, that's funny.
	That thing when it's in his garage when you're doing it.
	Yeah, that's fantastic.
	Well, no, but let's say, let's say you're, let's say my body count is 12.
	Okay.
	And.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	It's probably more.
	It's probably more than that.
	Come on.
	You don't even know me.
	Times five, times five.
	You don't even know me.
	So let's say your body count is whatever it is.
	That's true.
	Let's say it's 30.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	You know, that's a lot.
	Yeah.
	Not really.
	Are you over 30?
	Is your body count over 30?
	No comment.
	I'm a man of God.
	Madison?
	No comment.
	She's not old.
	Madison, you've already revealed it.
	You revealed it before.
	I don't really know.
	Do I want to get into this right now?
	Just for a second.
	I need to hear my daughter speak.
	Now we're having a come to Jesus.
	What?
	What is it?
	Eight.
	Eight?
	Are you disappointed in your daughter?
	Eight?
	Eight.
	Sweetheart, you're just going to get it.
	This is starting out.
	There's like a whole backstory I can get into it, but I'm not going to trauma dump right now.
	Are you disappointed with eight or are you just kind of like a surprise?
	A lot of people are disappointed by eight.
	I wanted to say sorry to my father.
	I've never revealed this to my father before.
	Eight.
	Wow.
	I guess the eight don't hate.
	Eight don't hate.
	Yeah, eight don't hate.
	I can't hate over the eight.
	What is your body count?
	Do you remember?
	Oh, do you even know?
	Eight.
	Do you know?
	I don't think he knows.
	Yeah, it's very brave of you to say that, Madison, and I appreciate your courage to come and say that in front of five million subscribers throughout.
	4.2.
	But who's counting?
	Well, obviously you are.
	4.2.
	But to come out and say that today, because I think there's a lot of people who judge.
	Right.
	And to come out and say that I think is a beautiful thing, and it shows me that you're very comfortable in your skin and what you've done and who you are.
	And I'm very proud of you.
	Thank you.
	Why are you doing that?
	I'm proud of her.
	I'm proud of you.
	Wait, so you can proud of all of her.
	Not a lot or not a little.
	I'm great for coming.
	I'm not sure for coming out and being vulnerable and saying that and saying, hey, this is my favorite.
	I'm not going to lie about it.
	That's the thing.
	I will always say, I will always say I'm not going to make any excuses for that because I cannot change anything about that.
	You're yourself.
	It's who you are.
	Like, as I've gotten older, I've developed more values and morals.
	And I know who I am for myself.
	What?
	The mic's.
	It's covering your face.
	It's covering your face.
	You're just not talking.
	You know what?
	I think it's Freudian, right?
	She's feeling subconscious, so she's hiding.
	Yes.
	Oh, sorry.
	I won't hide anymore.
	But yeah, I will always just say, like, I will never make excuses for myself.
	I fully take accountability for my past and things that I've done.
	But I have eight.
	I have a boyfriend right now who I'm very, very happily with and committed to.
	But it's eight.
	It's going to be eight for the rest of my life.
	When I'm 60 year old, it's going to be eight too.
	So that's just your answer?
	It's not even real?
	No.
	How's it going to be eight when you're 60?
	She's saying her current boyfriend is going to be the last one.
	That's the last one.
	That's so naive.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, that's cute.
	Because that's what we thought when we were 18.
	Uh-oh.
	Really?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Sorry, when you're growing up, you think this is the one.
	This is the one the rest of my life.
	And then that one breaks your heart and then you move on.
	In a way, growing up, I was like forced into maturity, I would say.
	Like, I feel like I've already grown up.
	I know I'm 18, but I feel like a little older than I already am.
	And I feel like, I don't know, when you know, you know.
	Okay.
	Yeah, when you know, you know.
	And it's, I fully believe you when you tell me that, that you, this in your mind, will be the last minute, and maybe it will or won't.
	It doesn't matter.
	But someone who's gone through the experience of, you know, oh, I know.
	And you know until you don't know.
	And there's a possibility that it could change.
	But again, just to go back, I want to commend you on your courage to come out and talk openly about your past sexual experiences because a lot of people wouldn't do that.
	I feel like there's a lot of people in the situation that I am too that do get like judged very often for their body count because it matters like a lot nowadays in modern day society.
	Would you like to explain why body count matters very much?
	Why does it count?
	Men seek purity whenever finding a woman, and that's mainly the reason why I feel like body count matters, right, Brian?
	I mean, there's, I wasn't anticipating diving into body count, but I mean, I think there's something to be said.
	One, obviously, the more sexual partners you've had, there's a higher risk of having an STD.
	That's one component.
	Certainly, it could be the case if you've had 100 previous sexual partners, you lucked out, you rolled the dice, and you didn't.
	Although you can be careful, you can, you can.
	However, I would say, even if you are using protection, there are certain like STDs that can, like, if you've got herpes or something, like just busts right through the rubber.
	Well, if it's like, if it, depending on where it is on the person, if it's like on, you know, a condom doesn't necessarily preclude the spread of STDs.
	So there's that.
	I think there's something to do.
	There's certainly something to be said about pair bonding.
	The more sexual partners you've had, my view is that it's as you accrue more sexual partners, it becomes harder to bond with subsequent partners.
	I disagree.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	You know, we live longer lives.
	Right?
	So I think people in their 20s now, I think some of the people who study gerontology believe that the average age would be 120 years, right?
	That you're going to live to.
	So you're 18, so you've got another 102 years, right?
	So the idea of, you know, being labeled or categorized by the number of sexual partners is going to determine how good of a spouse or mate you're going to be, I think, is ridiculous.
	For me, that's from my own point of view.
	I think that's ridiculous.
	I will agree on that part.
	Now, okay.
	Is there a context where if it starts getting in the hundreds to the 200s?
	Well, there's a scale to it.
	Yeah, there's a scale.
	If there's a scale to it, I could maybe understand that.
	But, you know, just because someone has a lot of partners when they're younger doesn't mean to me that they're going to be a bad partner later.
	They may be a bad partner for you if that's your preference and if that's how you judge that, and that's 100% valid.
	Sure.
	But to go out and say that they may have harder times bonding with people in a general statement, I find it harder to believe.
	And a lot of times people have difficulties bonding because they don't understand what intimacy looks like.
	And that usually comes down from the parental figures.
	So you don't understand intimacy.
	So you think sex is intimacy.
	And then eventually you learn that intimacy is not only sexual, but it's having the vulnerability to open up and have a conversation to let them see your emotional truth and your emotional self.
	So a lot of talk I hear is that, oh, men are afraid to be vulnerable.
	I don't know if men are afraid to be vulnerable.
	Oh, hold on.
	Maddie's got eight bodies with eight back shotties.
	That's got more bodies than John Gotti.
	We opened up a camera.
	She thinks about it on the dailies and brought great shame to her families.
	The future is crazies.
	Change your ways, ladies.
	That's what you think, but you don't really know me in real life.
	Oh, all right.
	Shots fired.
	Shots fired.
	LPE, thank you for the there's something that sticks out in my mind, and it's off-subject, but it was Rose McGowan.
	McGowan, is that her name?
	Rose McGowan, the Me Too, started the Me Too movement.
	And there was a video I saw of her, and the guy, the commentator, was asking her these questions.
	You know, these people you're speaking against, you know, they're very powerful.
	And she looks right at the guy and says, so am I.
	And in that moment, I was like, oh my God, I love her because she's comfortable in her skin.
	So I think when you're comfortable in your skin, I think there's a certain attractiveness because a lot of times what we're missing right now is authenticity.
	We're missing authenticity.
	People want to put this life up on social media.
	Then you meet the person, like, oh, my God, you're nothing like that person who's always happy, who's always having fun.
	So I think the authenticity, which you just shared through your vulnerability, I think makes you a gem.
	Thank you.
	I really appreciate that.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	There you have it.
	Some fatherly advice.
	Do we continue on the body count?
	I mean, I have more if you want to hear more.
	Let's move on.
	Up to you, Brian.
	It's up to you, Brian.
	Because I kind of said my piece and I was contrary to yours.
	If you want to talk, if you feel the need to.
	Yeah, well, I think when it comes to body count, the way I kind of view it is like, me personally, I don't want to date somebody who either currently is or was promiscuous.
	So I think having a high body count is proxy for promiscuity.
	Or not necessarily, but if you've had 40, 50 previous sexual partners, I mean, to me, I mean, there's also just sort of an innate, like if you've had a lot of sexual partners, a girl, for example, that I'm interested in dating, it's kind of like on this visceral level, I find it a bit gross.
	If they've, before me, they've slept with 50, 50 dudes, you know, 100 dudes, I would find that a bit repulsive.
	I also think that there's a higher likelihood of infidelity.
	I mean, they've done some studies on this.
	The more previous sexual partners you've had, the greater likelihood of infidelity, greater likelihood of reporting relationship and marriage dissatisfaction, greater likelihood of divorce.
	So, let me ask you, I want to ask you something, though.
	Okay, let me ask you this.
	You meet a girl.
	Sure.
	You fall in love with her.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And she knows this about you.
	She knows how you feel about having a high body count.
	Yeah.
	So she's not going to be honest with you.
	Well, I hope she would.
	She's not going to be.
	I hope she would.
	She's not going to be because she knows how you feel about it.
	And she's in love with you and you're in love with her.
	Now, all of a sudden, later on.
	Oh, I find out.
	Yeah.
	What do I do?
	Right.
	Would that change the game?
	No, it's a very honest question.
	So it's over.
	It's over.
	It's done.
	Really?
	You're in love with this girl?
	Let's say, yeah, we're engaged fiancé.
	Wow.
	I'm calling that.
	That to me is shallow as shit.
	I don't think it's shallow.
	I think it's totally shallow because you're in love with this girl.
	Why wouldn't it true?
	Yeah, but it's not.
	She lied.
	She could lie.
	She lied because she knows how you feel and she was in love with you and you fell in love with her.
	Well, she shouldn't have lied.
	And just because she slept with more men that you didn't feel comfortable with.
	I mean, is that you're judging?
	But we all judging, but we all make sort of discernments when it comes to the types of people that we're going to partner with.
	I mean, we all make judgments.
	I think that if I found my girlfriend had over 100 body count and knows 200, I really wouldn't give a shit.
	Yeah, some people don't care.
	Because she's in love with me right now.
	Sure.
	And some people.
	It's our life together.
	And we've been together for 13 years.
	But am I going to throw the towel in?
	No, and look, everyone's entitled to having their different preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	I think for you personally, if it doesn't bother you, then I think that's totally fine.
	For me, I just think it's a difference of values when it comes to sex and when it comes to It would be, I guess it be almost a compatibility thing.
	It'd be a difference of values.
	And it's just, we always, both men and women, want to pick the optimum partner.
	And I do think if you've had a promiscuous past, that is sort of a, in my view, again, my own personal view.
	Some people don't think this way.
	Other people do.
	I think it's a negative mark on you.
	And you're a man of God, correct?
	I mean, I like the quotes.
	Yeah, you know, I'm a man of God.
	You're judging.
	But we all make judgments.
	You shouldn't.
	Not if you're a man of God.
	But, for example, I mean, you said that you don't date women who are muscular, for example.
	That's just my preference.
	But this is also, but this is also a preference.
	But it's a visual preference.
	But couldn't you make the argument that someone's behavioral characteristics is more important than just how they present visually?
	Because when it comes to your sexual activity in the past, that's like something to do with your behavior.
	True.
	So can you argue that it's always in such a specific way that you think it is?
	What do you mean what I mean?
	Like, I don't want to.
	I'm just going to tell my story with it.
	So my story, I obviously, once again, I'm not making any excuses.
	I'm just sharing my experience through what happened.
	But growing up, I feel like I was very sucked into this whole modern society thing.
	You had to do it because it was cool.
	You had to do it because your friends were doing it.
	If you didn't do it, like you were ugly, just like simply for like male validation, basically.
	And that's kind of why.
	But once I like grew up, once I got older, I, like I said earlier, I developed better morals and values for myself, sorry, especially like sexually.
	And I didn't really know that until I met my current boyfriend now, who kind of had to teach me those things because I didn't have anyone to teach me those things.
	Victage donated $69.
	I'm trans, biologically female, virgin, and raised by a Republican father.
	I think body count needs a more nuanced view.
	Michael Knowles was promiscuous in his past.
	Was he?
	I don't think he was.
	Women can change too.
	In short, case-by-case basis.
	Okay, well, Victor, thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	And I'm not saying I changed, but I definitely developed and, you know, I definitely grew.
	And I, like I said, growing up, I didn't really have anyone to tell me like the true value of sex until I met my boyfriend who kind of shared that with me.
	So you did.
	You have changed, though.
	Just like, I mean, again, yes, people grow.
	People change.
	That's what part, that's what life is, is about growing.
	If you're not growing, you're dying.
	Well, I think, look, I think, Brian, you know, look, you know, the great thing about today, this country, us, is you can have your preferences.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	When I was younger, I felt the same way.
	And I read this interesting study recently, how many adult men are satisfied with their sex life?
	How many adult men?
	And it was like horrendously low.
	It was like, you know, like 22% were satisfied with their sex life.
	Because men, in general, they do not marry their best and favorite sexual partner.
	They usually marry someone they want to be the mother of their child.
	And they put different values upon who they want to raise their children than who they want to hang and bang with.
	Right?
	But then down the road, what that will lead to a lot of times is like, oh, God, I love her.
	she's a good mom but the sex just isn't great and so it's i think you can work on that though do you like if you really care yeah I like that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you?
	Can you?
	Absolutely.
	Do you?
	Is it really?
	Absolutely.
	Son, son.
	I mean, son.
	Son, you know.
	I do think you can work with each other.
	Like, if you communicate with your partner.
	I mean, if they're really close to the business.
	What's the longest you've been with somebody?
	Five years.
	Okay.
	So you know what I'm talking about.
	What do you mean?
	You know about the dip.
	Do you get bored?
	No, he doesn't yet.
	No, he doesn't yet.
	He doesn't know it yet.
	You don't know about the dip?
	The dip comes at about seven.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	I'm still working on it.
	It comes about seven to ten.
	Well, I mean, certainly I think like the, there's a certain excitement when you're first with somebody and it's new.
	And certainly things maybe slow down a little bit.
	But I mean, I think if you communicate with your partner.
	Whoa, what are you talking about?
	It's just funny.
	Now start adding kids into the equation.
	You got to take the little kid.
	Little Johnny's got to go to practice.
	Little Lucy's got to do this.
	And you take the kids into it.
	You take your working full-time to make a living.
	You take her taking care of those kids and or not working.
	You put all this into your life.
	And then you put the finances in it.
	And you got to pay the bills.
	You got to put your kids through private school.
	And then you have to fight for sex.
	Not fight for it, but you have to fight to find time to have good sex.
	You have to fight for time when the kids are asleep.
	Are they sleeping, honey?
	I don't know.
	Go check.
	Close the door.
	No, we can't.
	So kids aren't awake.
	And then you don't want to plan it because if you plan it, the spontaneity is totally gone.
	So are you arguing that I should, in order to have a fantastic sex life with my future long-term partner?
	Well, here's what I'm arguing.
	She ought to have a high body count as that.
	Take the words fantastic sex lifelong relationship out.
	Just take it out.
	I mean, it's a dream.
	It's a dream.
	It's hard because remember, you're not going to marry your best sexual partner.
	You're going to marry someone who's got these matronly qualities that you can count on, that that's not that experience that probably hasn't been with anybody who's going to rival you in bed because we don't want you to be insecure about that.
	It's not about insecurity, though.
	Well, it's not about insecurity.
	Okay, so there is this concept, though.
	Or dirtying your woman with their bodily fluids.
	I mean, but like, okay, let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question, Dan.
	Okay, so, okay, we're getting into the juicy stuff here.
	So would you not feel a little bit, and it's not even coming from a place of insecurity, but let's say you were about to sleep.
	I know you're in a seven-year relationship.
	Let's say you weren't in a seven-year relationship.
	You're with a new girl, and you find out, obviously it's your first time being intimate together.
	And, you know, maybe there's not an understanding between you two when it comes to any sort of commitment, right?
	Because you just start dating.
	You wouldn't find it a bit.
	You wouldn't take pause if she had slept with a guy the night before she sleeps with you?
	I don't think he'd ask.
	If it's a hookup, no, I don't.
	You don't ask.
	It's none of your business.
	No more than it is hers to ask you.
	You just hope they're showered.
	You know what I mean?
	No, no, no.
	We're talking hookup.
	Okay.
	We're talking hookup.
	If I'm dating a girl and I'm interested in her and we think we have a thing, but it's not official.
	You know, I will say this.
	When I was younger, I cared a lot more.
	Based.
	Yeah.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	When I was younger, you know, oh, she can't sleep with this many people.
	I had more rules.
	Yeah.
	I had more rules and I thought what would.
	That's smart.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but as you get older, those rules go away.
	Yeah.
	Bring it back.
	No, I said I had more rules.
	I had more rules.
	You know, she's got to do this.
	She's got to do that.
	You know, she has to be this, you know, like this body count issue.
	But you know, as you get older, you just want someone who's great.
	You just want someone who you can count on.
	You want someone who's loyal that's going to be there.
	You want someone that you get along with.
	You know, you want someone who has kind of similar values.
	You know, the body count becomes such a, for me, an unimportant thing.
	very irrelevant now look if she was at you know you know 500 a thousand yeah but you know if it's 10 if it's 40 i so in other words he's saying he's not going to date a porn star No, I've done that.
	But you dated, but you didn't, like, it wasn't married.
	It wasn't married.
	It was just more of a hookup.
	It was, it was, we dated.
	Well, yeah, you said they were broken.
	It was dated in your book.
	You know, I found that most porn stars and strippers have some kind of brokenness in them.
	You know, but maybe that's not fair for me to judge and say that.
	You know, because I know I can speak for myself.
	I had a brokenness in me.
	You know, I saw what my dad did.
	When I was 10 years old, I was coming back from Asia.
	My dad and I were together at the hotel.
	And I'm 10.
	And he says to me, he said, you read the book.
	You said this.
	He goes to the bar at the airport the night before and he gets two prostitutes.
	I'm 10 years old.
	We're walking to the hotel and he's got the two prostitutes with him.
	And he looks at me and says, hey, do you want one?
	Yikes.
	I'm 10.
	Yikes.
	That's yikes.
	You know, I hadn't even reached puberty.
	We go in the room.
	It's a one-bed room.
	It's a one-bedroom, one bed.
	And my father has sex with these two women on the bed while I'm there.
	And my back is to him.
	You know, I'm 10.
	Is it to us it might be a little guidelines but but yeah we yeah i think uh might be a little uh iffy for youtube Yeah.
	So anyway, so the idea of that, and for me, there was a brokenness when it came to relationships and when it came to women.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	I followed my dad.
	You know, you had a lot of girls.
	It made you feel cool.
	And I didn't realize how much I was hurting the women that I was lying to, that I was cheating on, because I never saw that with my dad.
	And it took me a long time to say, look, if you're going to be with somebody, have enough courage to say, hey, I'm interested in somebody else.
	I'm sorry.
	Do the human across from you, regardless of their sex or sexual preference, the right thing, and just be a good human being.
	Sure.
	But so we're going back to body count, right?
	So body count.
	I feel like in the sense that if two people were just hooking up, that question wouldn't really come into play because those two people are hooking up just to hook up.
	You know what I mean?
	If they were getting in a relationship, it would make sense why, um, holy fuck.
	Sorry, we got fucking emergency vehicles going by.
	One of the perks of being centrally located.
	And I don't have an issue with other people having a different view on this than I do.
	I just know from my own personal preferences when it comes to picking a partner, I'd certainly prefer someone who has a lower body count.
	Have you ever had a one-night stand?
	Yes, I have.
	Yeah, and did you ask the body count?
	I don't make a habit.
	I certainly don't make it a habit of having one-night stands.
	I'm more a relationship.
	Like, if I have sex with a girl, I want there to be a continuity.
	I want to continue seeing her.
	But have I had a one-year-night stand?
	No, I don't think I asked.
	Yeah, her body counts.
	This was a long time.
	Why are so many men unhappy in their marriages with their sex life?
	Because they marry somebody that they want to be a mother more than they marry for the sexual partner.
	And I'm saying, I'm not saying right now.
	I think you can have both, though.
	I think that's a good thing.
	You can't have both.
	Then you become occupied with so many things because you have kids, you create a family.
	It becomes harder.
	You have to go to school and things like that.
	You just keep on going.
	Well, sex is a lot on your mind when you're having kids and raising a family and taking care of the house and doing the laundry and doing the dishes and doing this and doing that.
	Sex is the last thing.
	So they're working their ass off as a mom and doing the house all day.
	And then the husband comes home and it's like, okay, babe, let's do this.
	She's like, seriously?
	That's the last thing that's online.
	Yes, that happens.
	Really?
	Absolutely.
	It happens.
	Oh, yeah, there's dead bedrooms.
	Okay, think about this.
	Okay, not to go here too deep, but at the same time, the women that are going to end to menopause, you guys aren't even remotely thinking of that yet.
	To be fair, I have dated, I did date a woman who was 45.
	Just going to say, she's not even in a menopause.
	Yeah, really?
	I thought this starts.
	50.
	No.
	It depends on the woman.
	But my point is, 2050-year-olds, get me in touch, and I'll see what they're doing.
	Okay, so they're going through menopause.
	The last thing on their mind is sex.
	They're having hot flashes.
	They're miserable.
	They're not sexually active.
	Okay, so what happens to you at that point in time?
	You're still sexually active.
	She's like, no, I'm done, dude.
	What do you do?
	What do you, I mean, are you, are you?
	My question is, is that it's more along the lines of this is where it's like the men have to come up to the plate and actually like seriously foreplay.
	Are we talking about foreplay?
	You know what?
	The relationship goes on.
	They just sometimes just get it over with.
	It's like, you got two minutes.
	Now I got five minutes.
	But it's what I'm trying to say is the women aren't going to always be that sexually active as your relationship continues.
	You do have to work on it.
	The women have to work on it.
	The men have to work on it.
	But I don't think the body count's really that important at that time whatsoever.
	I think the previous example you gave was like, well, what if you're in love with her and then she like you find out her body count?
	I mean, that's something that I would probably ask very early on.
	And it just, the relationship just wouldn't proceed, I think.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	I mean, if that's what you're totally what you want.
	I think that's great because I think too many people go in not having an idea of what their values or the moral hierarchy is.
	And then they go in and think, oh, love's going to take care of it's all of it all.
	And it doesn't.
	Sure.
	Right.
	But I think, you know, at the end of the day, a blue pill.
	I've been looking at these the entire podcast.
	I'm like, are you going to take the red pill?
	You should take the red pill.
	I think you take both.
	I think, oh, purple pill.
	Okay, there you go.
	I'm a purple pill.
	I'm a purple.
	Okay, there you go.
	I am.
	So just to close, to close this loop, look, you can have really good sex when you've been in a long relationship.
	Yeah.
	It just looks different than it did in the beginning.
	What are you talking about?
	What are we talking about?
	It looks different in this.
	What's it?
	Sex looks different.
	You know, in the beginning when you're dating, you know, hours, you're jumping off this, you know, the dresser, so to speak, you know, and it's the most important thing.
	And anybody is always ready and available in the beginning.
	And then eventually it changes, but other things change with it.
	You can still have good sex.
	It's just you have to work for it and you have to plan it a little bit more.
	Got it.
	Planning sucks.
	Got it.
	We have a couple chats here.
	We have Puffy Vegas.
	Puffy, he's always in the chat.
	Start dating at 12 years old.
	I understand what he's talking about.
	My school teachers, mom, friends, et cetera.
	Eight out of 10 men's wives offer me SEX.
	As soon as my male friend's wife got drunk, it would get really aggressive, I believe.
	Okay, Puffy.
	All right.
	He's an interesting character.
	We have Conan 19.
	Was there a political leaning in the group of gladiators that you could notice?
	What does that mean?
	Political leaning.
	Like, were they more so Democrat, Republican?
	Oh, you know, Ben.
	Nobody cared about politics.
	I feel like back then.
	Nobody gave a shit about politics back then.
	He cared about politics till Trump.
	Right?
	Not even till Trump, till COVID.
	Well, no.
	Because COVID, I think COVID actually, I'm not supposed to bring this up.
	Sorry.
	But it opened the door because everybody was at home and so everybody got on the internet.
	Yeah.
	So I don't think I thought, I think before you could be a Republican, you could be a Democrat and you could still be friends.
	Now you can't.
	Yeah, now it's, you know, there's such a divisive line, you know, where people unfriend people because of their political views.
	And, you know, my partner, Kim, is that way.
	And I don't agree with it.
	I have friends who are Republican.
	I have friends who are liberal.
	I have friends who are not communist.
	So I have friends from all parties.
	And look, okay, we should be able to have an open chat about politics like we do body count.
	Sure.
	Without people getting so tall.
	You can't do that.
	You can't nowadays.
	We can have different opinions and we can still agree to be friends.
	Yeah, of course.
	And be cordial and civil.
	But it's like you said, your girlfriend, she's like, no, I can't do that.
	So in other words, if your girlfriend found out that we were purple, she might not want us to hang out with you.
	Purple?
	Purple.
	Yeah.
	The purple pill.
	Purple because the pill makes you turn purple.
	The right's too far and the left is too far.
	That's a good point.
	Right in the middle.
	Well, look, on the edges.
	Right?
	On the edges.
	And everyone on the other side of the party, they always look at the most radical of that party and they're afraid that's what the party is.
	Does that make sense what I'm saying?
	Yes, yeah.
	And generally, the parties, look, if we're getting into politics, I think the biggest challenge is that so many people are one voter issues.
	This is important to me, abortion is, so I'm going to vote this way.
	You know, immigration is important to me.
	I'm going to vote this way.
	They don't look at the whole body of what the different political parties stand for.
	I think you have to look at like, you know, look, what I believe, do I believe in gun control?
	Do I believe in abortion?
	Do I believe freedom to choose?
	How do I feel about LGBT?
	How do I feel about pharmaceutical?
	You know, I think you have to look at all the issues.
	And again, I hate that it's gotten so divisive.
	Yeah, it's very – there's a specific term, but I think you said it, Laurie.
	Both sides have really gone – I can't think of the term, but we have Puffy Vegas here.
	I am 49 years old.
	When you get 40, don't ask anymore.
	I mainly date mostly women in their 20s.
	Okay, Puffy Vegas.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You got to spell check these before you send them in, buddy.
	It's make it, make, make my job.
	Yeah, spend the 20 on chat GBT.
	Put it in the chat GBT before you put it up there, Puffy.
	There you go.
	Laurie, so, okay, you said that you don't like really the muscular type of women, if I recall, is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Dan, oh, are you leaving?
	Okay, okay.
	I had a question.
	You have different politics than me, and you have a different body count than me, so I gotta.
	Get out.
	Exactly, he's done.
	Get out.
	You, daughter, come with me.
	You go.
	I'm gonna use the big boy's room.
	I'll save the question for later then.
	Okay, so I think we're, excuse me, we're all caught up here on the chats.
	Laurie, would you consider yourself more of like the masculine woman in the relationship, which is why you seek a more feminine woman?
	It's interesting you say that.
	I've got to say, I'm still right down the middle on that.
	I am.
	I like to take care of, but I like to be taken care of.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So that's a hard thing to find, to be honest with you.
	And I know I can be a lot.
	So therefore it's like finding someone that actually can handle me.
	You know, just because of I'm true.
	It's just because of who I am, my personality.
	I'm an Aries.
	I'm a fire sign.
	Okay.
	You know, and so therefore, whoever the girl is, it's like, she's got to know how to handle me.
	And it's interesting.
	That's, I mean, my girlfriend and I, it's like she handles me very well.
	She's also an Aries, which is interesting.
	And a lot of people are like, holy shit, two Aries in the same household.
	But it's like, you know, my past girlfriend was a Taurus.
	And so when we argued, there was like fucking heads and she would just like come after me and I'd go after her, you know, in the argument.
	But with this one, it's like she understands me.
	She understands exactly where I'm coming from.
	So we'll argue and I'll, well, I will be arguing, let's put it that way.
	And it's like, she'll just sit there and look at me and then she'll just smile and go, are you done?
	You know, and it just makes me laugh.
	And I'm like, okay, I'm done.
	So you kind of get each other.
	Absolutely.
	So I mean, as far as the masculine one in the relationship, no, not necessarily.
	I mean, I tend to take on that role sometimes.
	But at the same time, I still love being that girl and being taken care of.
	Yeah.
	Because I feel like a lot of relationship these days where it's two women, there's always one that's a little more that plays a masculine part and one that plays the feminine part.
	There's no role playing.
	There's never been any role playing in my relationships whatsoever.
	You guys both kind of just pick up what each other.
	Absolutely.
	And that's kind of, I think, in any relationship, to be quite honest with you.
	Very true.
	You know?
	Water.
	I'm good.
	I'm good.
	It's like diet.
	We have energy drinks if you need one.
	He'll be up till two in the morning.
	Coffee.
	I thought you said coffee.
	No, I've got some water here.
	You dated Sam Simon.
	You want to tell us about that?
	Interesting enough, yes.
	Simpsons creator.
	Yes, he created The Simpsons.
	When I was doing Gladiators, I did a couple television shows and I actually met Drew Carey first.
	So Drew and I actually went to a couple premieres together, different things in the industry.
	And then that's where Sam was actually producing one of the Drew Carey shows.
	So I met Sam Simon on set.
	Okay.
	Super nice guy, you know.
	Not necessarily my type, but just a super nice guy.
	We wound up, I actually lived with him for about three to six months somewhere in there, but his house was haunted, so I wanted to leave.
	His house was haunted.
	Like creaking and that sort of stuff.
	Like, no, he actually saw a ghost sitting at the end of his bed.
	He definitely said.
	He goes, there was a female apparition sitting on the end of his bed.
	He said he was never afraid of her.
	Oh, it was a friendly apparition.
	It was a friendly one.
	But just him telling me these stories, like if I had to come home at night, you know, two in the morning and he wasn't there.
	Yeah, it was a bit creepy, you know, because I could hear things throughout the house.
	I've only been like super spiritual my whole entire life.
	So like I believe in ghosts and demons and all that stuff.
	Oh, I do too.
	It creeps me out too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it was, it was pretty intense that house was, you know.
	But Sam was an interesting character.
	I mean, we had a really good time.
	I mean, it got to the point to where he was, he was extremely into me.
	I was dating girls and I was like, can't we bring girls into this?
	Okay.
	He didn't want that.
	Oh, he didn't want that.
	Absolutely not.
	No, I know, right?
	I kind of get it, though.
	You know, like, here's my take on threesomes.
	It's like, I'd rather only disappoint one woman at a time.
	You know what I mean?
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	And I don't even think that was his thing.
	I think it was more he just wanted me 100% to himself.
	I can see that.
	Yeah.
	I can see that.
	So he really wanted children the time.
	Never wanted kids.
	You know, he's like, have my child, and basically I'll take care of you.
	You will be set for life.
	Simpsons creator.
	Simpson.
	Holy life.
	Yeah.
	Set for life.
	Still, even though, even at that, I was like, you had to go a different way.
	You had to go a different way.
	Yeah.
	You know, we had great, we became very good friends and remained friends until the day he passed away.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	Dan, so, and the reason I brought up Lori about how you're not so much into the muscular women, Dan, you had an encounter with a muscular woman.
	Perhaps more than one.
	He's like, who?
	Angie?
	Where?
	I think.
	Which is from the book.
	You know, in the book, Gladiator, a true story of Roy's Rage Redemption, I changed the name to Protect the Innocent.
	If anybody was innocent.
	Oh, okay.
	So that wasn't that girl.
	So, no.
	I've, you know, look, I've like all, like, I'm mumbling over my words here.
	You've made me uncomfortable, Brian.
	Oh, okay.
	Whatever.
	There was a girl I dated, and she was a former bodybuilder.
	She wasn't, you know, huge at that time, but I think what you're referring to is something sexually about her changed.
	Yeah.
	And the steroid.
	Yes, she was on the clit.
	It was big.
	The clit was.
	That's hysterical.
	The clit was big.
	Are you covering that?
	Because I don't want to hear this.
	I don't want to hear this.
	I was just not expecting that to come out of your mouth from story, but I guess if you, as a woman, if you take PEDs or, you know, I think large amounts, it can be a side effect.
	Just like men's balls shrink.
	Yeah.
	I'm not going to front.
	I kind of.
	Is it that evident?
	Pretty much.
	What are they good for?
	The balls?
	Testicles.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Excuse me.
	What are they good for?
	I apologize.
	We don't know.
	Do you really want your daughter to share about that?
	Madison, what are they good for?
	I don't know.
	I don't want to hear this.
	There should be, what's that song, War?
	They should do a remix.
	War.
	They're good.
	Balls.
	What are they good?
	That is fantastic.
	What are they good for?
	What do you think they're good for?
	Besides poor creativity?
	I mean, I don't know if this is going to get some X-rated here.
	Well, you can.
	A girl can suck on the balls.
	I'm just saying.
	A girl can suck.
	No, no, no.
	It's so disgusting.
	Whoa, balls are disgusting.
	They're gross.
	They're gross.
	This is a guy who talks about body count.
	You mean like the consistency?
	There's nothing attractive about balls at all whatsoever.
	Chat, I don't give a shit.
	A lot of girls find them attractive, though, I think.
	A lot of girls do not find them attractive.
	Madison's friends.
	I haven't met any girls, straight girls, that go, oh my God, balls are so cool.
	Cut them off.
	We don't need it.
	Whoa, We don't need it.
	Could you imagine?
	Oh, FTG, thank you.
	Thank you very much for the gift of memberships.
	Could you imagine?
	What did you like about him?
	Oh, my God.
	Did you see his testicles?
	Right?
	Oh, remember, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, I won't mention the person's name, but it was on tour.
	Oh.
	And somebody said, oh, my God, he's got the biggest balls I've ever seen.
	And I think you know who I'm talking about.
	Wait, was it the gladiator?
	It was not a gladiator.
	It was not a gladiator.
	I have no idea.
	Pretender?
	Producer?
	I have no idea.
	Oh, whoa, Whisperer.
	Okay.
	I've never heard that about that gentleman.
	Yes.
	Oh, wow.
	I don't know if, like, you know, look, usually guys couldn't be proud if, you know, they're well endowed.
	But I don't know if you have, you know, elephantitis of the testicles, if that's something you're like, yo, bro, you know, check it out.
	I got my giant balls.
	I don't even know.
	I mean, can a guy's testicles be too big?
	I don't know.
	I feel like a lot of guys, I don't know, like around my age, I would say, like having small balls is an insult, right?
	Well, I mean, like, to have big balls, like cojones, there's that component.
	Yeah, but that's what they have small balls.
	That's metaphorically.
	However, I'm well endowed.
	Like a physical thing, too.
	But do you care?
	I don't think girls care about ball size.
	They don't care at all.
	I don't think they care about balls.
	They don't care.
	They only care in the sense that they can gratificate their partner.
	Yeah, that's what that is.
	Gratification.
	Sexually gratificate.
	Sexual gratification.
	Are you going to stand for this kind of language from your dog?
	When we get home, you're in trouble.
	No soup for you.
	You did encounter a woman who was on steroids and I guess made the clip bigger, apparently.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it was.
	Let me ask you, how were her orgasms?
	Or did you care?
	Well, no, you know, it was under the bus.
	It was interesting.
	It was just interesting something physically to see.
	In technical terms, it looked like she had a little penis.
	That's kind of big.
	Yeah.
	It's really big.
	It was like a little infant genitalia.
	That is big.
	And it was just like...
	That's big.
	It was a little disconcerting.
	And, you know, she was like, she didn't want to get naked.
	She was self-conscious.
	She was very self-conscious.
	She didn't want to get naked because, you know, it was a thing for her.
	But, you know, I'm sure there's a website for girls with large that guys go to and want to see and want to.
	I'm sure it's on OnlyFans.
	It's on OnlyFans.
	I'm not going to front.
	I kind of like a big clip.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I'm down for the big clit.
	I can't believe we're actually talking about this right now.
	It came up.
	I don't know.
	This is my thumb.
	That's send her my way.
	Is she still around?
	No way.
	Are you serious?
	Why not?
	Let's go.
	Damn.
	This is a guy who cares about body count.
	Right?
	I got to link up with some bodybuilder gals.
	Wow.
	Yeah, if you know what I'm saying.
	No, no, look.
	This doesn't happen to every girl.
	It takes testosterone to happen to her.
	Oh, some, not all.
	And, you know, she, I remember she, like, she actually cried because she was ashamed.
	And that hurt me that, you know, she was ashamed of something because, you know, I think everything's got beauty and it's kind of like being with a man that has a micro penis.
	Why did you look at the large lady?
	That was so wrong.
	Right.
	She looked at me.
	She's like, it's kind of being with a man who has a micro penis.
	Why are you looking at me?
	Yeah.
	That's when you really feel sorry for him.
	I think I was I was with one when I was super young I mean I young meaning like was his last name simon No, it was Clark.
	But I think I was like 20, I want to say, around that area.
	And it was kind of shocking.
	It was like, whoa.
	Uh-oh.
	What do I do with this?
	Seriously.
	You try your best.
	What do I do with this?
	You try your best, I guess.
	Yeah, nothing happened.
	Let's put it that way.
	I kind of feel bad for men who have the micro pen.
	You know, it's got to be tough.
	It's got to be a little bit more.
	Just for a friend, what is micro?
	I mean, what is considered micro and what's considered average?
	It's like an inch.
	Erect?
	Because some people are, you know, growers not showing.
	Say it's even two inches erect.
	That is true.
	Two inches erect?
	Are you serious?
	Show me how big two inches is.
	That's like, is that two inches to you?
	No, no, she just went.
	She was like, that's two inches.
	That's about two inches.
	No, but there's like micro where it's like an inch less than an inch.
	I've never seen such a thing.
	I'm sure in the chat they'll tell you.
	I'm looking now.
	Logan Paul?
	How did that come up?
	I have no idea.
	Someone said two inches is not micro.
	I don't know if it's certainly below average, but micro is like a very, I think it's almost a medical term for like very small.
	So that must be tough.
	I must be aware of that.
	Okay, so I'm looking in the chat.
	So anything under two inches is micro?
	Is that what they're trying to say?
	One to two inches.
	It could be.
	I'm not sure.
	Is there a corresponding dysfunction in women?
	Is there a what?
	Like a corresponding, like what's the equivalent of a micro penis for a woman?
	You know?
	If a woman has a small vaginal entrance, vaginal entrance.
	Yeah, I mean, that is not seen as a detriment.
	It's like a medical.
	She probably goes way up on your list.
	Wait, if it's so vague.
	It's probably like a woman with small breasts or no, But I feel like that'd be the closest comparison to what you're saying.
	I don't think there is.
	I think there is no equivalent for, you know, micro for something that a woman has.
	Not to that degree.
	Not to that degree.
	You know what I mean?
	I think, yeah, I think if you ever want to tease a guy, you know, like if a girl wants to say something bad about a guy, she'll say, oh, he had a little wee wee.
	Even if it's a lie, just because they know that messes with the male psyche so much.
	Well, what's the go-to thing if you're trying to mess with a woman?
	You call her a horror slut.
	Oh.
	Right?
	But yet the men are called studs.
	I know.
	It's not fair.
	No, I'm just saying.
	I don't agree with it.
	But like, you know, in a puritanical patriarchal society, oh, she had sex with too many men.
	She's bad.
	You know, put the scar to letter on her.
	Put the scar to letter on her.
	You know what I mean?
	You know what I think is really unfair is if women sleep with a lot of men, they're judged for it.
	They're called a, you know, a slut, for example.
	If a guy does the same thing, then he's called gay.
	No, I heard that they're called the stud.
	If a guy sleeps with a lot of women, he's gay.
	No, Okay, so the joke is: if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's a slut.
	But if a guy does the same thing, then he's gay.
	Oh, but a bang.
	But a bang.
	Ashley, did you get that?
	Ashley Sinclair.
	Bada bang.
	There you have it.
	There you have it.
	There was a banana situation.
	Oh, wait, wait, wait.
	Since we're on the topic.
	Wait, wait, I just looked in the chat.
	She smells.
	Oh, like that.
	Oh, yeah, that.
	If you say that, how is it?
	Oh, God.
	She's smelling.
	Yeah, I think that's a pretty.
	Yeah, that's very.
	Although some guys, they'll still go for it.
	Well, some guys will.
	Some girls will still go for it.
	Micros.
	That's going to be a.
	It's a lot harder, but since we're on the topic of just absolute degenerate conversations.
	Jesus.
	What was the banana situation?
	Oh, Jesus.
	What did you do with the banana?
	Jesus.
	I mean, pardon my language, but someone, you have to leave something for the book.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, the final.
	I'll ask one thing, one thing.
	The funny thing was about the banana is the girl's a very good friend of mine still.
	We went to a book sign together, and she was like, Hi, I'm the banana girl.
	Oh, wow.
	And I just thought that was so endearing.
	Nice.
	And she was kind of like laughed, you know, and she was very comfortable with herself.
	Gotcha.
	So I think that's all you need to know about the banana.
	One question with the banana.
	Was it peeled or unpeeled?
	I have to think about that.
	I think if it was unpeeled, you might not get it out.
	It was definitely in its sheath.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Definitely in its sheath.
	Gotcha.
	Gotcha.
	Got a couple more questions here, and then we're going to wrap up pretty soon.
	So let me see.
	Hold on.
	I'm just grabbing my notes.
	So you're half Asian, right?
	You're half Japanese, is it correct?
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	So I have a couple Asian friends, and I've heard from a lot of Asian men that they struggle with dating, and they find that they encounter a lot of women who either, by their own admission, that they don't find them attractive, or they've even told me that even some Asian women don't find them attractive.
	Looking at you, Madison.
	Wow, Madison.
	So did you ever feel that you struggled with dating because you were Asian?
	You were handsome.
	I mean, you're like 6'2.
	You're a stud.
	You guys are seeing this incarnation of me.
	Sure.
	I'll post on Instagram me as a 10-year-old kid.
	Nobody looked at that guy, that kid.
	Yeah.
	That chuggy, Asian-looking kid with the bull haircut.
	Nobody looked at that guy and thought it would be this guy.
	Gotcha.
	So when I started dating is when I also started lying about my race.
	It was like when I was a freshman in high school because I was teased when I was in fifth, sixth grade, slanted-eyed rice picker.
	Oh, no, rice again, all the jokes.
	Even though I was half Asian.
	I grew up in Orange County, an all-white area, right?
	So when I changed high schools and I moved to San Anne, I made up a new story.
	I'm not Asian.
	I'm Hawaiian.
	I'm a surfer.
	And I grew my hair out and I became cool.
	I became this Hawaiian surfer, cool guy.
	And that was kind of an identity I kept.
	And then when I moved to Hollywood, I was long hair.
	I was Native American.
	I was anything, but not to be Asian because it was painful, those memories of kids teasing me.
	And, you know, that hurt my mom.
	My mom, you know, was born in Japan.
	I was born in Japan.
	And the fact that I lied about my race, my heritage, really, really hurt her.
	So on American Gladiators, we went and did a show in Japan towards the end of American Gladiators.
	And I made it my goal to go on the Japanese version of Gladiators and speak in Japanese to make my mother proud.
	Now, I'd only seen my mom cry two times because my mom's Asian, you know, Japanese, and they don't show their emotion.
	She cried once when I was 10 years old, and my 12-year-old brother died in my arms.
	He got electrocuted.
	She cried.
	And the next time she cried was when I was 27 years old when she saw me on TV speaking Japanese.
	So I did not feel that women didn't date me because I was Asian because I lied about it.
	I don't know.
	Now I'm so proud of my heritage.
	It took me like maybe I was 28.
	Because I mean, like I said, I've heard from a lot of my Asian friends.
	They feel that it's difficult for them.
	Maybe there's some sort of stereotyping or some sort of discrimination.
	They're like normal guys.
	I can't say.
	That's why.
	It's not because they're Asian.
	Just normal.
	Just normal guys.
	No, I've heard that before.
	I've heard that before, that, you know, it's hard.
	A lot of Caucasian girls don't like Asians and even Asian girls don't like Asian men.
	But I think that's a stereotype that's going away a little bit more.
	But I don't like Asian women.
	I won't date Asian women.
	You won't, huh?
	Oh, really?
	It reminds me of my mother and my sister.
	And my daughter.
	So what I previously said on a different episode was that I've never, like, I'm not opposed to the whole dating an Asian man.
	I have a boyfriend, so I obviously wouldn't go for an Asian man right now.
	But I've never really found myself gravitating towards one.
	You know, I didn't think it was that offensive.
	I mean, you're attracted to what you're attracted to.
	Like, the very first, like, the two guys I first ever liked in my entire life were like half Asian.
	Okay.
	It's okay.
	It's all right.
	Yeah.
	You stepped on the wild side.
	Just have.
	Diversity is beautiful.
	I'm not discriminating or anything.
	Yeah, I think, look, I look at this generation.
	I feel like they're more colorblind than we were growing up.
	I feel like it's more inclusive now.
	At least, you know, that's kind of what I see when, you know, I talk to my 12-year-old stepson.
	It's not like, oh, I don't like her.
	She's Asian.
	Ooh, I don't like her.
	She's black.
	You know, it's just like, oh, I kind of like her.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, but I think even kids, I mean, before we wrap this thing up, I think kids don't see color really.
	I think that our society teaches them to see color.
	But when you're growing up, you don't see color unless your parents do.
	It comes from your parents.
	Right?
	I mean, same thing with pretty much anything across the board.
	When you guys did a show in Japan, was it like a one-time show?
	Were you there too?
	Did you date Japanese?
	I actually passed up that opportunity.
	I didn't keep hearing that.
	She didn't like Asian men.
	I didn't like Asian men.
	What about Asian people?
	Actually, I just didn't want to take it now.
	Asian women?
	Yeah.
	What about Asian women?
	I think some of them are beautiful.
	Have you ever hooked up with Asian women?
	No, but I think they're beautiful.
	Never?
	No, I just, it never presented itself.
	It just never happened.
	It just never presented itself.
	I mean, if the girl's beautiful, it's not like I'm going to go, oh, God, no, you're Asian.
	I mean, you're missing out.
	I have male friends.
	We call it, what, yellow fever?
	Yeah.
	That's all they do is my buddy Tony Brill.
	That's all he would do all through college.
	And he married an Asian woman.
	He just only had eyes for Asian women.
	There could be the most beautiful model right next to him.
	And, you know, Caucasian, he'd be like, nope, Asian.
	Wait, just a point of clarification.
	Like, because when we say Asian, it's like there's Asian American, and then there's women who've grown up in Asia, like from Japan, Korea, South Korea, I suppose North Korea too, Vietnam, et cetera, et cetera.
	So never even like an Asian American woman.
	Just no, never anyone.
	Never presented itself.
	Okay.
	Just never presented itself.
	Yeah.
	So it's not like, you know, obviously one came on to me.
	I was like, oh, God, no.
	No, never.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	Never presented.
	It just never happened.
	No, it just never happened.
	It never happened.
	I think Asian women are beautiful.
	I'm with you on that.
	Yeah, I love when I see Asian women are beautiful.
	Look, I think every race has beautiful women.
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	I've seen every race.
	There's beauty.
	There's beauty out there.
	Yeah.
	Oh, so the Japanese show for American Gladiators, were they running their own thing and you went over there to be on it?
	Or was it just like a one-time?
	So American Gladiators, we had it in America, and that show played and ran in 40 different countries.
	But there were nine countries that did their own version of gladiators.
	The UK was gladiators was huge.
	Australian, Finland, Germany.
	And Japan had a show called Bam Bam Bang.
	Bat Bat Bat Bang.
	Yeah, Bang Bang Bang.
	And the Gladiators was part of the Bang Bang Bang show.
	So we went over and then we did different events and stuff.
	But, you know, my people are shorter.
	So we used to have this event called Atlasphere.
	I don't know if you guys remember.
	So we put us in these steel round cages.
	We were like hamsters.
	And we ran in these round cages and we would bust into each other.
	So you can look it up on YouTube, Atlasphere, American Gladiators.
	And they made the cages smaller.
	So when I got in there, I got in there.
	I was tall.
	And the first time I clanged with somebody, my head hit the top of the cage and split wide open.
	I just have blood dripping down my face.
	And it was funny.
	I'm a jokester.
	I like to joke around.
	So we go to the doctor after the surgeon.
	And I look at it.
	I said, hey, look, I'm like samurai.
	I said, I don't want any.
	painkiller.
	I don't want you to number the area.
	And, you know, in America, they'd be like, oh, no, no, you got it.
	And that guy was like, okay, we do this.
	And he starts coming with a neo-throws in my head.
	I go, no, no, I'm just kidding.
	Give me the shot.
	Give me the shot.
	I think I have two more things here.
	So, and Nick, can you pull up Lori's Instagram?
	I saw on your Instagram that you had met or you're friends with Kevin Costner.
	Are you guys still friends with, were you friends with just him, his wife, or family friends?
	Actually, no, I owned a tanning salon back in the day.
	And it was his girlfriend at the time.
	It was Christine.
	She used to come in.
	We got chit-chatting.
	We started playing rack of ball together.
	And it was always my boyfriend this, my boyfriend that.
	We'd go on hikes together.
	Finally, one day I'm just like, who is your boyfriend?
	Oh, it's Kevin Costner.
	And I was like, I mean, I just kind of was like floored.
	I was like, seriously?
	Oh, FTG, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
	So we became very good friends.
	And we got invited to his wedding in Aspen.
	It was like a three-day wedding.
	And then they actually have a house up here in Santa Barbara.
	So they sold their house in the Hollywood Hills, moved up here.
	Yeah, they're awesome people, but unfortunately, we lost contact basically when she started having children.
	She became the mom.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Because, yeah, Kevin Costner, they recently got divorced.
	Yeah.
	Well, they're kind of in the middle of it, I think.
	Yeah, they're in the middle of it.
	Do you guys have any thoughts on, because it's a pretty, been a pretty publicized.
	I mean, come on.
	Any kind of divorce is going to be gnarly.
	And that's something it's like, you know, I don't wish that upon anybody.
	And I feel sorry for both parties because, you know, it is.
	It's, you know, both parties.
	But, you know, there's kids involved now.
	Yeah.
	So I know that Kevin had the very, I think he had the most expensive divorce, his first one.
	So I can only imagine what this one's going to be.
	I think, because they're actually conducting the court case here in Santa Barbara County.
	And my understanding is that she was, she asked for, I think, $250,000 a month in, I think, combined spousehold and child support.
	I think it got ruled for $120,000, I think, is what she's getting per month, which like to me is on top of that.
	But what's on top of that?
	Because I know, you know, you got to look at these, a lot of the celebrities, and that is they have the prenumps, but then afterwards, and he did Yellowstone and he did all that.
	So it's going to be a costly, but again, I don't know everything about that.
	And I don't want to know.
	Sure.
	You know, that's their business.
	Gotcha.
	And it's just too bad that they're actually going through this.
	And I feel sad for them.
	Got it.
	It's sad for the kids.
	But I disagree in the fact that a divorce always has to end badly.
	It just doesn't ends.
	It doesn't have to end badly.
	I think that's up to the two people and how they decide to end it.
	And even if you're with a partner and they are behaving badly or wrong, that doesn't mean you have to.
	You can control what you can do and who you are and how you want to be in that relationship.
	My last one relationship that I had for 12 years, I just made it my goal.
	I said, just because this romantic journey ended badly, it doesn't mean that we have to end badly.
	And I just, I'm going to be a gentleman.
	I'm going to be kind.
	I'm going to go out of my way to give her everything she wants.
	And yeah, she still won't talk to me.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Wait, was this a divorce or a 12-year relationship?
	Okay, well, my stepson and his mother, the husband, they're both fantastic.
	And I think that's a new model of what a breakup can look like.
	They get along really, really well.
	They co-parent him.
	He's a good guy.
	She's fantastic.
	And it's really nice to see that that's an option because I think too many times we look out there and we say, oh man, I broke up.
	And even the words broke up.
	You know, we got ripped apart.
	You know, they're just so negative in their connotation.
	I think, you know, look, we tried.
	It didn't work.
	And, you know, we just want to do something else.
	And that's okay.
	That's okay.
	Got it.
	You found out her body count.
	Here's my question.
	When Madison turns 21, do you guys get to present alcohol to these things?
	Oh, on here?
	Yeah.
	We have a lot of people drink on here.
	I think it would make the shows in some ways it could make them a little more spicy, but we have concern of like if we even considered it.
	Well, even someone who's over 21, it's like, oh, they brought us on the show and then they got us drunk and then we said all that stupid stuff.
	It's going to be like so we don't want like.
	Oh, no, I was just thinking we've been sitting here so long.
	A couple drinks would have been great.
	Oh, we have some wine and some white claws or something if you guys want anything.
	It'd be like bachelor in paradise.
	Everybody said we should.
	And the inhibitions go down.
	Yeah, because you know how alcohol affects the brain, right?
	The number one thing it does, there's something in your brain that causes us to be inhibited.
	When you drink, that goes down so you become less inhibited.
	But I think the shows that I've seen of you guys.
	Which means the body count goes up.
	The shows I've seen you guys, I think everyone speaks pretty freely, especially the panel shows.
	Yeah, and they're entertaining.
	They're good.
	I was watching them before we came on the show and I'm like, oh, that's entertaining.
	I was like, stop watching.
	You've got work to do.
	Stop watching.
	But yeah, they're long too.
	But you know what's interesting is the issues are the same.
	You know, you guys talk about the same dating issues we talked about in our day, and it's nice to be able to come back here, you know, from being in that world at that age that you guys and your panel's in to come back and say, oh, God, I remember those.
	And you know what?
	It hasn't changed.
	It's still the same.
	It's still the same.
	Okay, I have to go feed my dogs now.
	Yes.
	We got a couple chats here, and then we'll wrap up the show.
	We got Puffy Vegas.
	I'm dyslexic.
	That's why I spelled everything wrong.
	Okay, there you have it.
	Now we feel bad.
	Yeah, we feel bad now, Puffy.
	I have, Puffy, what are you doing, brother?
	Okay.
	I have nine inches.
	I didn't know I special.
	Okay, I special.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Puffy Vegas.
	And last one, we have Vapor Alien.
	First time commenting, but I absolutely love having such a gap in age talking about dating.
	Talking about dating.
	Okay, well, they're only like five years older than us.
	It's not a big deal.
	Guys, come on.
	Come on.
	They're young.
	What are you talking about?
	Final thoughts before we wrap up.
	I think the only other thing was, do you guys feel that I know both of you have been in rather long-term relationships, but do you feel that dating has changed significantly back when you guys were throughout the 80s, 90s compared to today?
	That's such a damn long question.
	Give me a plot synopsis.
	How about that?
	I think it's changed.
	I wouldn't want to be in it right now whatsoever.
	It's definitely pretty messy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, it's good that you've been in a long relationship.
	You've avoided the...
	And my long relationship is losing her shit right now because we've got to go feed our dogs.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	So, yeah, what you were saying is when I watched the show, when I watched you guys, it didn't seem like things have changed.
	They still have the same issues.
	Does he like me?
	Is you know, what's the penis size?
	What's the body count?
	Those are all things I was concerned about at that age.
	So, to me, it hasn't changed.
	Maybe the delivery service, you know, before we used to actually mail letters and you actually had to go talk to somebody.
	So, the delivery service of using an app to date has changed.
	But I think the problems haven't changed and the challenges, except for now, I think as men, you have to be much more careful what you do and what you say.
	And you always have to go and go out of your way to get, you know, which rightfully it should be, to get consent.
	And I think that's groovy.
	I think it's great.
	I think that's probably the biggest change and a good change.
	Got it.
	Okay, guys.
	Last call.
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	Oh, okay.
	We have one more.
	Zach KT7 donated $99.
	Great show today, Brain.
	Thank you.
	It's a nice change of pace to have some people with intellect.
	All your girls in 404s got kind of tiring and mind-numbing.
	Great job and great voice.
	Hey, Zach, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I thought it was a good call, good conversation.
	And yeah, I switched it up a little bit.
	Obviously, normally we have these big seven to ten people panels, and we've got like content creators, OF girls, college girls.
	But I wanted to switch it up a little bit.
	So I'm glad that you enjoyed the show.
	I thought it was a fun conversation and something new.
	I wanted to try something a little new.
	We'll be back with our normal shows Sunday.
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