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Aug. 23, 2023 - Whatever Podcast

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Adam22, Lena The Plug vs. Lila Rose, Isabella DeLuca, Ruslan | Dating Talk #93

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Lena the Plug.
	I'm 32 years old, and I'm an OnlyFans creator and a mom.
	My name is Adam22.
	I'm 39 years old, and I am a podcaster and dicksmith.
	What is that?
	What's a dicksmith?
	I slang pipe for a living.
	That's at least one part of it.
	You're a pipe slanger.
	Yeah, like a blacksmith.
	But a pipe is okay, makes sense.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Hi, I'm Chrissy.
	I'm 33 years old.
	I'm an OnlyFans model and content creator.
	I'm Brenna.
	I'm 34 and I am a publicist.
	My name is Madison.
	I'm 18.
	I'm the secretary to Kiki on the Whatever podcast.
	I'm a host at a bar and as well as a student at Santa Carbo City College studying business.
	My name is Lila Rose and I'm 34.
	I'm a wife and a mom and the founder of Live Action and a podcaster.
	My name is Ruslan.
	I'm 38.
	I'm a follower of Jesus, husband, father, YouTuber, podcaster.
	My name is Isabella.
	I'm 23 years old.
	I am a conservative influencer and I am a fellow at an international strategy think tank.
	Rock and roll.
	Welcome, everybody.
	I'm 34.
	I'm a podcast host and not a dicksmith.
	Okay, so let's go around the table once more.
	What's your current relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Are you in a relationship, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married polycule sex cult?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's your longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm married to Adam as of May.
	We've been together for seven years, and that's the longest relationship I've ever been in.
	Yeah, seven years, longest relationship.
	All right.
	Hi, I'm currently single.
	I've been single for five months now.
	I'm in the talking stages with a few people, but very single.
	Longest relationship?
	Three years.
	Three years, okay.
	I'm single.
	I think I've been single for two weeks.
	I don't know.
	A guy asked me to be his girlfriend after two dates, and then he broke off me a week later, so there's that.
	But my longest relationship was four years.
	Okay.
	I'm currently not single.
	My current relationship is my longest relationship, and it's been 11 months.
	I'm married for five years, and that's my longest relationship.
	Married 15 years together, a total of 19 years.
	So we're at that phase where we've been together longer than we've been apart.
	I am currently seeing someone.
	How long have you been seeing said person?
	About like almost a month.
	One month?
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Longest relationship was about a year.
	About a year, okay.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	A couple questions for everybody.
	Lena, how did you get the nickname Lena the Plug?
	What's the story there?
	It's not an exciting story.
	I wish I could tell you was about butt plugs, but at my old job before porn, I was like a really good employee.
	My boss called me the plug, and that is honestly where it came from.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	The 22, when I was 15, I started a live journal, which some people remember.
	It was like a very early blogging service, and I had to put a number after my name because Adam was taken.
	And that was the beginning of the end.
	Got it.
	And what's the story with the Lisa Simpson tattoo?
	So Lil Peep was a rapper that I was close with.
	He died of a drug overdose in 2017, and he had that tattooed.
	And then I got it on the side of my head.
	I think so.
	I can't remember.
	Okay.
	When he passed.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	So you guys have been together for seven years.
	Okay.
	How did you two meet?
	Instagram.
	Instagram.
	She DM'd me because she was working for a social media startup and she wanted to get me to interview some girls she was representing.
	Yeah, they're like, get us outreach on podcasts.
	And I only knew of one podcast at the time.
	So I sent him a DM.
	And he asked me when he was going to buy me a drink.
	So yeah, that's how I ended up here.
	That was my line.
	I said, when are you going to buy me a drink?
	Yeah.
	You're going to take me on a date, something like that.
	And you guys have, is it two kids or just one?
	Just one kid.
	One kid.
	Okay, is there plans for more?
	Definitely more.
	When you do porn and your body is your job, deciding like when to get pregnant is a really big deal.
	But if I didn't do what I do for a living, I probably would already be pregnant again.
	She's a mere 32, so we're definitely going to probably crank out at least one more.
	Crank out.
	Yeah.
	It's undecided.
	No, no, we want more kids for sure.
	It's just when is, you know, the timeline is hard to figure out.
	Gotcha.
	And so you guys shoot adult content.
	Yeah.
	You do content together, but then, Adam, do you also shoot with other women?
	Not really.
	I did one time because she had a stomach virus.
	But besides that, we only shoot together for the most part.
	And then she recently did her first scene with another guy, which was kind of the first time that we branched out into that.
	And I mean, that's definitely made the rounds.
	It was a bit of a thing.
	It was a bit of a thing.
	And so, actually, you know what?
	We have a clip from your Instagram.
	Nick, if you can pull it up, where you kind of announced that you were going to work with Jason Love.
	And are you guys still close with Jason?
	I don't know if we're ever really close with him.
	Well, our friendship has gone through a little bit of stress since the scene just because he kind of was yapping his mouth on some podcasts and stuff, kind of talking crazy.
	So that definitely made it.
	When we were talking about, because we were thinking about doing like a sort of like game show type thing or like an American Idol type tryout thing for us to find the next dude that we're gonna film adult content with, and so we were we were saying that we're definitely gonna have to like really have a group chat where we fill him in on all of our thoughts on what's appropriate and what's not appropriate, since we are taking these sort of leaps with our content.
	And as I understand it, it was a was it a wedding present from?
	Was is that it wasn't the actual wedding present.
	Okay, before we got married, we had the discussion about if I should shoot with another guy and Adam had said yes.
	And then, after when I was going to shoot it, which was shortly after the wedding, Adam made a joke.
	Like you should say, this is your wedding present, like you gave me all these threesomes, like hundreds of threesomes.
	Just say that I gave you like your pass or whatever.
	Do you guys no longer do threesomes?
	Or we do threesomes every week?
	Oh okay, but you don't shoot separately, solo with other women typically, right?
	I mean, like it honestly wouldn't really be a big deal.
	I don't think if I were to do that.
	But I don't really got to get my business.
	I only got so much time.
	Do we have the clip?
	I was wondering which one you wanted.
	The first one on the Dela DANA page.
	No no no, the Lena's, excuse me.
	Yeah, with Jason, for the record.
	anyway rounds go ahead oh hold on you got to unmute it go ahead hey guys guess who I'm shooting with today It's finally happening.
	Wow, I'm not sure if you're gonna do that.
	You can pause it.
	So that that's the guy who you did a scene with.
	You haven't seen it.
	I have not seen it.
	Damn Brian, I have not a free sub.
	What's that?
	I can get your free subscription to my page.
	That's like not listening to the new Taylor Swift album or something.
	Yeah, there you have it.
	There you have it.
	I'm out of the loop.
	I'm a boomer, pretty much so.
	How did you guys distribute it?
	Was it through your OF, MY OnlyFans page?
	Yeah, and to unlock it, did you just need a sub or did you also have to pay like an additional?
	It was $20 in the messages which, for a first of any sort, is like kind of on the cheaper side.
	I hear of some girls charging like 50 100 150, but okay, so in addition to having to sub to your OF also, there was a price to unlock.
	It was 2020.
	Okay, do you guys know how many downloads it got?
	I don't know.
	Are you able to track that on?
	I don't think so.
	Not per video like that.
	Well, you can see like, how many people bought it yeah, but do you guys know the numbers on?
	It's in the many seven digits in income really.
	But but as far as like, I mean, it leaked a lot, I would love to know, like the leak numbers so I could actually know how many people viewed it, even if they didn't pay for it.
	Yeah, I'm sure it got leaked.
	Oh yeah, everywhere re-up.
	Was it re-uploaded on various websites?
	Yeah, I had like three different DMCA teams on it, like in different time zones.
	So did you guys get um, any backlash?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, we definitely never got like the conservative community backlash before.
	But then also like, obviously I'm in the hip-hop world podcast, wise and everything.
	So there's definitely an element of stigma from that and you know, it's obviously all like some of it's super serious was like people who really think this is like the worst thing you could possibly do, and then there's people that just want to get their jokes off.
	So it's kind of all over the place in terms of that.
	Yeah gotcha, um.
	So we have some other married people here.
	Do you guys have any thoughts on the sort of arrangement that they have?
	Um, I mean, I'm extremely grateful to be married.
	My husband's an awesome guy, and I was sort of praying and waiting my life to find a man like him.
	And when I did, I was so grateful.
	So, yeah, I mean, for us, fidelity is really, really big.
	We think that's part of being married is that it's a sacred promise to each other.
	So, I think that's obviously a difference, I think, philosophically, that we have.
	But, yeah, I mean, having that intimacy together, part of intimacy, I believe, is just for us too.
	And that has to do with sex.
	It's sacred.
	I believe it's sacred and is for just people who are married and committed to each other for life.
	Well, let me tell you something.
	The first time we ever hooked up, we had had a few drinks, but we FaceTimed a girl who was a mutual friend of ours during a BJ aspect of us hooking up.
	Which I say just to say that for us, it has always come very natural that we had a little bit of that exhibitionist streak in us.
	And like, so I think a lot of people view the Jason Love scene or us doing like different kinds of stuff outside the box as being kind of like shocking.
	But I say that just to say that like for us, it wasn't really much of a stretch.
	You know, like as time went by in our relationship and we started shooting, you know, professional content with other girls or just us or whatever, it just didn't really strike us as super out of the ordinary.
	So for like most people, they would be going from being in a strict relationship where they're practicing monogamy to like then the idea of another guy coming in and like sleeping with their wife.
	Like a lot of people can't really seem to have a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that for us, it was content.
	That if she had just really been dying to have a new penis inside of her, then she, you know, we could have had that conversation for sure.
	But, you know, this definitely wasn't really that.
	It was really more of like a business plan.
	Yeah, for us, it's not cheating or infidelity because it was all, you know, talked about.
	But everyone has their own guide in terms of what makes, what's cheating in a relationship.
	And, you know, if I was texting Jason right now, probably that would be considered cheating.
	But me having gone at a certain time and place and told my husband, like, I'm going to fuck him and we're going to film it.
	You know, that was not cheating.
	So it was just.
	Are you guys familiar with Wilt Chamberlain?
	Yeah, he's had sex with, what, like 9,000 women or something?
	Yeah.
	He said, I know what it's like to have sex with a thousand women.
	He said, but in hindsight, I would rather have sex with one woman a thousand times.
	No, I respect that for sure.
	I end up thinking about that a lot in terms of like, you know, I think before her, I'd had sex with something like 300 girls.
	And then us being together, probably like another 300.
	And it's like, I don't regret that by any means because I think that in some way, you know, you have to sleep with some number of women before you can make some kind of educated decision about what kind of woman you want to spend the rest of your life with.
	Now, that being said, like, what is that number?
	Obviously, a lot of people think, or not a lot, but like some people think that it's preferable to be a virgin before you get into a relationship.
	I don't personally really think you have enough information about what you're into or not into before you've slept with anyone.
	And obviously, there's a lot of ways to get to know somebody besides just sleeping with them.
	But myself, I've personally had the experience many times of, you know, pining over a girl for weeks and then finally sleeping with her.
	And her vagina was just blown to smithereens.
	It was just no good.
	I couldn't get any kind of enjoyment out of it.
	And to me, that's just like, you need to find that out before you actually go for it, you know?
	If you're marrying a virgin, I mean, that kind of eliminates that entire vaginas feel like inherently blown out.
	Like, I think that just are fucked up.
	Yeah, like some, that's just a genetic thing.
	All kinds of different size vaginas, just the same way that, like, ladies, I'm sure you wouldn't want to marry some guy and then find out he had a two and a half inch penis, right?
	See, yeah, you have to see it first.
	There's no one else.
	I think it depends on like your view of the person.
	Because if our view of the person is, what can they give me, like, in terms of immediate sexual gratification, as opposed to is this someone that I want to choose to love?
	Because I think love is a choice, and someone that I would see raising a family with one day, and I could be with together for life.
	And then you figure out sex together, and you can keep optimizing your sex by loving each other more and more and more.
	But ultimately, it's a love is a choice, I believe, and it's one that is a gift of yourself and you receive the gift of the other person.
	But if I had started to hang out with her, and the first time that I saw her vagina, it was a Venus flytrap.
	It's just, I want to know that before I get into like a serious relationship.
	I think that's very valuable information.
	Like, I think there are big vaginas, there are big dicks, there are small vaginas, there are small dicks, and realistically, they need to be matched up appropriately.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	Venus flytrap?
	What are we talking about?
	Are we talking about Audi?
	Well, just like, I'm just picturing like a bunch of like venom and poison and all kinds of like spiked teeth and stuff like within the vagina.
	I don't know.
	Can I say something?
	Sure.
	I think it's like an energetic connection.
	Like when you're hooking up with someone, you either like energetically have a connection with them or you don't.
	That's like why you're like kiss with your eyes closed and stuff.
	You could like feel their energy.
	If I had like a bad sexist stun that night, but also, like, with that being said, I don't think it's about the number.
	I think it's about the ratio.
	Like, certain people have some people, just everyone wants to fuck them.
	And if they've fucked 100 people and 7,000 people wanted to fuck them, that's like a pretty low ratio.
	You live in the middle of nowhere.
	No one really wants to fuck you.
	You're not that good looking.
	And you slept with 10 people.
	That's like kind of a big deal.
	Maybe only 10 people wanted to fuck you in your whole life and you fucked all of them.
	Like, I think it's about the ratio, not the number.
	Can we?
	What is this like home math?
	I'm just trying to.
	I'm just saying, like, it's about the ratio.
	It depends where you live.
	It totally depends on the city.
	If you go out, how you look, like if everyone, like that, if you're going to the pool and you look a certain way and everyone wants to fuck you and you're having fucked everyone and you're not a slot.
	But if like, I don't know, you don't look a certain way.
	You don't go out.
	10 people want to fuck you and you fuck all of them.
	10 sounds like a low number compared to 50, but if out of a thousand, 50 is not our thing.
	It's the ratio.
	I'm just confused the difference between like ratio and like body count.
	Are you saying they're two separate things?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I'm saying body count doesn't matter.
	It's the ratio to body count.
	It's about the opportunity.
	So like if we both had like a hundred guys wanting to fuck us, no, wait, no.
	Like if you had a hundred and I had like a thousand, it's hard for you to get different based on the ratio.
	Yeah.
	So it's about how many opportunities you took.
	Technically.
	Can I?
	You said something about energy, a transfer of energy.
	Is it fair to say that we all agree there's something that's spiritual?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	And we all acknowledge that the higher your body count, the harder it becomes to pair bond down the road.
	No, because I'm saying it's about the ratio.
	No, I'm not.
	But what if you already bond with someone and then you guys decide together that you guys can go sleep with other people?
	And it doesn't add to your connection.
	I think it'll take away.
	I think data says to bond long term.
	Maybe we fucked up, babe.
	Bigger than the data.
	I have a question when it comes to like, because you mentioned your parents.
	And what's your, what are you, what's your sort of sense of how you plan to talk to your kid, your child, or I think you said you want to have more kids, which is awesome.
	What is your sense of how to communicate like your profession and your work to your kids?
	I mean, I think there's a time when your kid is mature to have the conversation about like, well, this is entertainment and the same way you would describe any entertainment.
	And we're just entertainers in this entertainment business.
	And everything, like, I don't feel like we're doing anything unethical by having sex, filming it, and selling it legally and then paying a shit ton of taxes on all of that.
	Like, there is nothing wrong with that to me.
	And like, I would, when she's mature enough, just explain that to her.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with two adults agreeing to participate in a sex act off camera or on camera.
	And I don't think there's anything wrong with somebody starting and running a business in which they sell a product to people who want to purchase it.
	So I have no qualms about doing porn.
	But I also like, I kind of noticed that this always happens where people sort of lay out the terms of our relationship or acknowledge that, you know, we're in a relationship that's a little non-traditional.
	And like, especially in our case, we're not really a polyamorous couple per se, because, you know, compare us to like Destiny and his girl, where he has full-on sexual relationships with other girls.
	And I guess she knows about it, but that's a separate thing.
	And then, you know, vice versa, she sleeps with other guys.
	That's kind of like a more extreme version of what we have going, where it's more of just like an on-camera thing.
	You know, we almost never in the past like three, four years have really hooked up with anybody off-camera.
	Not that we have anything against it.
	It just hasn't really, it's just, it's primarily a work thing from our perspective.
	But what people always do is that once we've sort of laid that out and everybody seems to be in agreement that there's nothing that you can really say is wrong with two adults engaging in whatever kind of acts they want to engage in, it just instantly becomes about the kid because there's something inherently uncomfortable about us having the careers that we have and then also having kids.
	Now, we know a ton of porn stars who basically hide their kids away from the world and nobody knows that they have kids.
	And given the amount of like intense scrutiny that we've gotten over the past couple months, I can kind of understand that we've stopped posting our kid's face on social media and stuff like that just because we don't really want her to have a life that is so defined by what her parents did for a living.
	But I mean, I say all that just to say that I feel like the argument against people engaging in sort of non-traditional relationships is kind of weak if you have to instantly pivot into like, well, what about the kids?
	Yeah, I think there's a design of how we were created to function in a one-man, one-woman covenantal arrangement.
	Now, I think everything outside of that is unhelpful.
	And I think there is something wrong with porn.
	I think porn's a total net negative to society.
	I'm not sure how many of you guys are fans that watch you regularly, you've met in person and how this affects them.
	But I mean, Andrew Huberman did a whole long thing about what happens when someone consumes porn, masturbated, they open up a feedback loop that's intended to be consumed with someone else.
	So I think it's very hard to make the argument that porn is helping people as much as it's harming people.
	It's keeping a lot of these guys regressed.
	It's keeping, I mean, the in-sale community, the red pill stuff.
	A lot of the people that rail against you guys probably secretly go and watch this stuff, which is a really bizarre thing.
	We've seen it with the Fresh and Fit girls.
	So I don't know if as a net positive, this is something, remove the kids.
	Like this is something that you think is actually adding to human flourishing.
	Everyone tries to always focus on the extreme porn watcher, but I think that there's like very healthy porn consumers, which are probably the majority with porn consumption.
	And like, I don't think that like women consume porn too.
	And I don't think they're sitting around all day just masturbating to porn.
	I mean, we both consume it at a very moderate level.
	I don't know.
	You guys create it, so it's a bit different.
	Yeah, but I mean like for me.
	We still have to watch for our own pleasure.
	I was single and I was gonna go on a date, or even like if me and her are going on a date and I just want to, you know, clear the pipes up because I think that's one thing.
	If we're gonna get into our pickup artist bag here and we have the conversation about like how to basically prepare for a night of intimacy with a woman, you definitely don't want to be going in there with like five days worth of spunk inside your body.
	You want to definitely clear the pipes out so that you're going in there kind of fresh and you're able to actually put work in.
	And for me personally, that's one of the big benefits of adult content is that you know you can just kind of clear your mind.
	I don't think I feel more clear-headed at any point throughout the week than right after I J-O'd because that's when I like really don't have sex in my brain at all.
	It's like a total clean slate.
	And that's why a lot of times if I have something to write, I got to answer emails for a couple hours.
	I might beat off beforehand.
	You don't see any value to semen retention in guys being able to control themselves if she.
	That's the last shit I want inside my body.
	I want to get rid of it at any cost.
	Clear me out.
	Interesting.
	So that's why when she, you know, surprises me with some top midday, you don't even know how important what you're doing is in that moment because what you really are doing, it's like a stress ball.
	Like you're relieving the stress from my body and allowing me to be a better man.
	You're welcome.
	Thank you.
	Well, there you go.
	There's a statistic I saw recently about divorce, and it was that 56% of divorces list pornography use of one of the partners as one of the top reasons.
	So like to Rusalan's point, you know, there's a lot of net large in our society, there's a lot of harm that porn does to families, to marriages.
	And then the top site that trafficked victims are at, according to the data, is porn show sites, meaning you're going to find a lot of trafficking victims involved in pornography.
	So I think, you know, to Russalan's point, just looking at the net large impact on society, we see a lot of that negative impact that pornography has.
	Or the fact that a lot of the folks consuming it are underage.
	And I don't think we'd want to have kids to consume this.
	Can I see something on that?
	Sure.
	Besides for the underage thing, just to go back on your point, I think if people are watching porn, it's because their husband or wife or spouse or significant other isn't gratifying them properly.
	And that's why they're looking other ways to do it.
	So like, well, it's not really like the porn industry.
	It's the chicken out the old.
	I think it's the other way around.
	Well, unfortunately, a lot of the porn, there's a lot of extreme stuff that happens in a lot of pornography.
	And so, yeah, the person might be kind of acclimated to want certain more extreme things.
	Which is uncomfortable.
	I understand.
	So that's why it kind of can be.
	If you're like in a committed relationship and you agree upon certain things, then you shouldn't be looking elsewhere.
	And usually, if you do look elsewhere, it's because you're not getting what you thought you were getting out of it.
	And everyone is neat.
	Okay, like that's part of the role of porn from my perspective is that like, let's say I have a huge black woman fetish and then I end up in a relationship with an Armenian woman.
	Should I just live my entire life repressed, never getting to produce fluid to the sight of a beautiful ebony queen?
	To me, it's better for me to be able to handle that, cop the OnlyFans of this sort of creator, and then just be able to, you know, do that.
	Whereas, like, same thing with like a lot of fetish stuff.
	Like, the average girl that you end up in a relationship with, say, you're a guy who likes to get pegged.
	Not really my thing, but Brian, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But let's say you're into it.
	Okay, another fan.
	Fair enough.
	But let's say that you're into it, and it's like, that's got to be a pretty hard conversation to have with the average girl of like, hey, I want you to put a strap on on and go to town with me.
	What do you think?
	Well, this is a good idea.
	Okay, but I'm just saying, like, I want to see that stuff online and leave it out of your personal life because it would be so complicated to bring that into your personal life.
	And a lot of like people's fetishes, it's just you don't really control that if you're turned on by seeing some some pagan stuff I'm not I'm not into it, but like you know, that might be a little complicated to bring that into your personal life.
	I dated a guy for like two years.
	I didn't know he had a foot fetish at all.
	He never made it like weird to me like that at all.
	This was way before OnlyFans and stuff.
	And yeah, I only found it from his search history.
	How'd that make you feel?
	It made me feel better because he didn't put me in a weird situation.
	I didn't know he was a weirdo.
	Why does that make him a weirdo?
	Feetlick feels really good.
	You should try it.
	I've done foot stuff since.
	But I did verbalize.
	I think to Russon's point too, like, and when he's saying like porn is so detrimental, like this is what he's talking about because people get so progressive and it goes so fast that people get so acclimated to like their dopamine, kind of like what makes them get off that they need more and more and more.
	And it just funnels like a deeper porn addiction.
	Nobody's a virgin starting off doing like weird kinky stuff or doing having like a foot fetish.
	It's not really like normal.
	And so I think that's mostly what he's talking about and saying that's why it's just detrimental.
	People should just stay away from it.
	I completely, completely understand.
	Like I'm super conservative, Republican, whatever.
	Like I don't think I'm a huge patriot.
	Grab her by the pussy all day, every day.
	I don't know why anything is wrong with that.
	The girl should get off first.
	Like he's being very respectful by saying that.
	I think guys want a blowjob before they would grab her pussy.
	I don't know.
	I don't know how that's.
	Do you consider yourself conservative or traditional?
	Yeah, yeah, Trump 2024.
	Huge Republican.
	I mean, that's your politics, but you do OF, correct?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but it was all with my boyfriend.
	We just broke up, but he was the only one ever on it.
	I don't think so.
	For me, it was like a reality TV show that's like just stuff that you can't put on actual TV.
	But if people want to pay me to see my dating life of what I'm already doing, and then I can just live like on vacation every day, all day with my own boyfriend, like, why would I not do that?
	I'll let you guys come in really quickly.
	Let me just, I mean, can you really consider yourself traditional without making a judgment about what you're doing, but can you really consider yourself traditional if you're engaged in sex work?
	Well, traditionalism is not so much more of a like.
	It's not my fault Eve ate the apple.
	It's just not.
	We're all supposed to be naked fucking in caves.
	Traditional.
	Yeah, no, it's not really true.
	I mean, traditional is not so much like a political belief.
	I'm not sure if you're fucked in the cave.
	Just curious.
	No, because TV ate the apples.
	We can't.
	It should be.
	I know people who are Republican that are not traditional.
	Traditionalism is more rooted in like a biblical ideology and it comes from more of a morality standpoint.
	So like would I consider someone doing OnlyFans traditional?
	No, not at all.
	I understand that, but I am very traditional, very conservative.
	Huge Republican.
	Huge patriot.
	She is.
	Well, you know, again, you're Republican.
	Yeah, that traditional.
	That doesn't mean traditional.
	Yeah, but it doesn't mean I don't want kids.
	You like RFK?
	Actually, yeah.
	I'm just doing it with one person.
	I was just doing it with one person.
	It's just my boyfriend.
	It's like reality TV shows.
	I don't really believe that the way society, like, first of all, who says societal norms are correct?
	I think that society is built up so horribly.
	Like, we're supposed to be in our roots connected to nature.
	And everyone's just kind of like living in this way that we never were supposed to be intended to live.
	Like, we're supposed to be like naked, living off the land, connecting to the universe.
	I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.
	I'm not fucking a bunch of other guys.
	It was just me and my boyfriend.
	And what's more traditional than the oldest profession in the world?
	Exactly.
	That's what we're here to do.
	We're here to reproduce, right?
	Like, we're, like, if you're traditional, you're pro-life.
	Like, we're here to reproduce for your dad sex.
	We're here to live up the land.
	But you're not having sex to just have children.
	You're having sex to create content.
	I'm having sex for your only parents.
	I'm dating something.
	No, I'm not doing images anyway.
	I'm doing one person.
	Right, it's a lot of fun.
	Thank you for those.
	I have a question.
	So I was looking up some research on pornography, and the average age of entry for people who use porn, not even addictively necessarily, but kind of regular use at least, is 13 years old.
	So that's typically when, you know, usually a young boy, but sometimes young girls will fall into it or earlier.
	And that's just the stat.
	And, you know, in Utah, as an example, they banned porn for underage kids.
	You had to get age verified.
	And the biggest porn company in the world pulled out of Utah and said, we're not even going to do business there anymore because so many of their clients were underage and they didn't want to have to deal with that.
	So I mean, knowing that there are so many young eyes on the internet, you know, back to the kids, because I know you sort of said, well, you know, the kids is one way you can bring the conversation, but there are so many young children on the internet.
	That's up to the parents.
	The parents shouldn't be giving the kids iPads.
	I hate when I go out and I see parents and kids out to dinner and the kids are on iPads and their phones and stuff.
	Like, I would never let my kids have iPhones.
	But you're creating pornography and you're saying actually what I think though is I have a reality TV show with my boyfriend at the time, Nax.
	If you want to pay to see it, you pay to see it.
	I don't care.
	But it's pornography, right?
	I mean, it's the same, like we have rated our movies.
	We make content that kids aren't supposed to see all the time.
	Are we not supposed to make it because they're accessing it?
	Like there should be things put in place so that they don't access it.
	And like you, I mean, if you don't want your kid to go on the internet by themselves in their bedroom, like don't give them access to the tools that let them see those things.
	I don't plan on giving my kid a phone until they're like 16 years old.
	Exactly.
	You know, so like that's not on us.
	How old are you when you first saw porn?
	When I was 11 years old, me and my friends found a stack of nudie magazines in a dumpster somehow.
	And we, you know, took a plastic bin out into the woods and we preserved them in the woods because we couldn't keep them at our houses because we're so young.
	And, you know, I don't think that there's any army in the world that could have taken these magazines away from us.
	So kids are going to see it.
	What ultimately took it away from us was the rain because it rained and it caused a lot of water damage and the pages were sticking together.
	But I say all that to say that even though obviously I feel like there probably should be rules in place so that an 11-year-old can't see porn or it's difficult for them to see it.
	It also just seems kind of like almost pointless to even try because we know that this is like the most fundamental base thing that a kid is going to search out, right?
	So I think it's illegal to make porn in general.
	No, I mean, I think also like as much anti-porn as I am and as much as I would love to see it like completely banned, obviously that's not going to happen.
	But I think that there should be somewhat of a middle ground between people who are super anti-porn and people who are pro-porn, where at least there should be some sort of age restriction.
	Oh, I am.
	Really?
	As she said, the average age of introduction to pornography, I think it's actually supposed to be.
	And the average age that a child gets a parent.
	The average age that a child gets a smartphone now is about 10 years old.
	So yeah, at some point they're going to be introduced to pornography, but a lot of these porn websites don't have to be a lot of fun.
	Why are parents giving 10 years olds?
	Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
	I don't think you're missing the point.
	No, I don't think I am.
	I think parents need a parent better.
	I think you get your 10-year-old and my point is more so.
	You're compared to three-year-olds and iPads.
	But if I'm putting something out there in the world that you think is so harmful, why would you keep putting it out there?
	I don't think what I'm doing is harmful because you have to be 18 to see what I'm doing.
	But that's what I'm telling you.
	Okay, this is the thing.
	What happens is that behind closed doors is always going to happen.
	Coke is illegal.
	Everyone does coke.
	Okay, Isabella, finish your thought that we're going to move.
	It's not my fault.
	But this goes to the point where you'll find a way to do things.
	This goes back to the Age verification thing that I was talking about that Lila was talking about is these, like, you go on the website and they ask you if you're 18, you click yes.
	There's no like genuine, like there's no actual age verification that, like, that's like any child can go on and access pornography.
	So, you're saying parents shouldn't give their child screens to be able to be in a position to access that, but you're providing pornography on your end to be able to children should be outside playing, they shouldn't be on iPads, they shouldn't be playing video games, they shouldn't be on iPhones, etc.
	To add what she said, it's a very counter-communication.
	Honestly, anything nowadays is so easily accessible.
	Whether you give your child a phone or not, their friends are going to have phones.
	So, this is the word goes around.
	But, why is the solution to that?
	That's not really up to us.
	Maybe you need to ask the owner of OnlyFans to do a better verification, the owner of Pornhub.
	But they have, they have.
	So, they've already got pretty good verification, right?
	They have.
	Would you guys like start a campaign to demand that OnlyFans and Pornhub does that?
	Since you are.
	Yeah, I'm fine with that.
	I don't think kids should be watching Pornhub.
	Would you work for like, for example, Utah's law that says that there needs to be real age verification?
	And so, Pornhub, Pornhub left.
	Yeah.
	Would you advocate for that federally?
	Yeah, like, I don't think little kids should be watching certain things, but also at the same time, people are going to watch what they're going to watch.
	People are going to pay for what they're going to pay for.
	But if that's not.
	If it's not me, it's going to be someone else.
	So, I'm going to make my money.
	No offense.
	But if you could put money into that, but I'm super.
	Would you also?
	I've been Pilates instructor.
	I have two different real estate licenses.
	I've been the general manager of my Pilates studio.
	I've been a whole bunch of things.
	I have multiple different degrees.
	I live life like I'm on vacation every single day.
	I make more money than all of my friends do.
	And all I had to do was just open up to the world about who me and my boyfriend were.
	And we're supposed to live off the land.
	We're supposed to be in love.
	Girls are supposed to embrace their femininity.
	Men are supposed to embrace their masculinity.
	I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.
	Christy, if you could do something else and make the same amount of money, would you?
	No, because I'd have to spend a lot more time doing it.
	Okay, if you could do something else and not spend more time on it.
	What would it be?
	What would it be?
	Well, we're making a podcast.
	If your podcast blew up and replaced your OnlyFans revenue.
	I would continue doing both because I'll double the revenue.
	So you're not stupid.
	It sounds a little contradictory because on the one hand, I understand.
	It's very controversial.
	And then I don't know.
	And a lot of people don't get it.
	On the one hand, you're saying it creates a lot of harm and you don't want this for kids and it kind of works.
	I don't think it's controversial at all.
	You're also saying a lot of kids access it and that you take it.
	No, I'm not saying a lot of kids access it.
	I'm saying parents need to parent better.
	Parents are also sending children to public schools in liberal states and they're pushing transgender shit.
	But do you think it's fair throat?
	Do you think there are, this is what I care about.
	In a lot of elementary schools, there are books in the library.
	All right, we're not going to talk about this.
	That's way worse.
	I just have one question.
	Do you think it's fair to demand the standard of parents when we're creating this very pornified society with tons of parents to demand that parents can somehow magically insulate their children from the extreme pornification that's accelerating in our society?
	The only responsibility parents have is to parent their children, protect their children.
	But should we as a wire help parents?
	Children can't get an Apple phone, get a computer.
	They cannot pay for those things themselves unless their parents are providing it.
	But should we take responsibility?
	Should we take responsibility to help families and parents at large do better for their kids by not adding to the toxicity out there that is?
	My fans aren't kids.
	My fans are because I know who they are because I'm in there every day talking to these people.
	Have you seen their IDs?
	I know who they are.
	They're unhappy married men that are afraid to get divorced because they made a commitment and they're scared and they don't know what to do.
	They're not being dissatisfied.
	Do you think it's healthy for those men to be in that situation cheating on my wife unhappy?
	I don't.
	Then why should you not benefit them?
	But this is the thing financially.
	They should not have entered into that commitment in the first place.
	That is a bigger issue way above me.
	I understand.
	And it's not going to stop with me.
	But let me.
	Marriage is a big deal.
	Okay, final thought, Isabella.
	Then we're going to.
	Why would you commit to a man or a woman if you weren't fully committed?
	I agree with that.
	But why would we, I think we each have a personal responsibility to do good, right?
	And so if it's not, if it's hurting kids, if it's hurting couples that are on the rocks, if it's hurting addicts, if it's hurting these different people, why would we continue to be a part of it?
	No, but it's not hurting them.
	It's them choosing.
	Everyone has choices in life.
	Of course.
	But are we helping people?
	Every single person can choose.
	Are we helping or hurting those people that have choices?
	They're going to do it no matter what.
	If I'm in it, if they're in it, they're going to do it no matter what.
	It sounds like what a drug dealer could say.
	You know, they're going to do drugs no matter what.
	Everyone's going to do drugs no matter what.
	Whether it's legal or not, everyone's going to do all of those things.
	But do you think that's what I'm doing?
	So hold on, hold on.
	I just want to finish this thought.
	You know, you say that you're more so traditional, and I know you talked a little bit earlier about parents should parent better.
	But I guess the same thing could maybe someone could say the same thing about your parents in the industry that you are in.
	And, you know, to put the blame on the parents for giving their child access to screens, even though some of them may not even be accessing it through their own screens.
	It could be done through a library.
	It could be done through their friend's phone.
	It could be done anywhere.
	So to put the blame on the parents, but then have zero accountability on your part, be like, oh, well, parents need to parent better, but I'm going to continue to fuel out pornography as much as I want.
	Because love is a good idea.
	First of all, love is unconditional.
	My dad's my business manager.
	Your dad manages.
	He's not my only fans manager.
	He's my business manager.
	He looks over all my contracts.
	But second of all, there are way, way, way worse things that I can't talk about because he's a not you in school libraries.
	I'm a what?
	Way worse things in school libraries.
	Wait, I'm a what?
	I said, you can't, I said, I can't mention because you don't want me to talk about the books in school libraries.
	Well, that's on.
	I don't know how we're getting to this.
	You made your point.
	Let me just make my point.
	Adam said he was exposed to porn at 11.
	I was exposed to porn at 6.
	We just agreed that kids shouldn't consume porn.
	I wasn't even.
	Let me finish my thoughts.
	It's like saying, I know kids are overdosing from fentanyl.
	But if they're going to consume fentanyl anyway, might as well provide all we can.
	And I understand what you're doing is different, but it does seem like you're conflating ideologies.
	You're talking about conservative values.
	We're preserving something between a man and a woman in the privacy of their home.
	And you're saying, well, we should just screw in a cave.
	There's a very contradictory view.
	Like, how can you say that?
	Like, you have a traditional view of marriage, but then say your OnlyFans is filled with married, unhappy men.
	You don't think that's trivial or exploitative?
	They shouldn't have gotten married.
	That's why I'm 33 and not married.
	I can take it very seriously.
	But this is the problem because it's so easy for people to consume and to go off in another direction instead of fixing their marriages.
	It's exploitive.
	It's detrimental.
	But you are all.
	Yeah, we should get there.
	You're filling that void instead of having a lot of people.
	Yeah, but so are bartenders.
	So we're personal trainers.
	When I was a bartender, they would use me as a therapist.
	When I was a personal trainer, they would use me as a therapist.
	It's not my problem that they're not going to therapy.
	There's a difference between therapy.
	There's a difference between the two.
	No one's seen therapy.
	As a Pilates instructor, I'm enabling someone telling me their problems.
	I know.
	But there's a difference between therapy and pornography.
	All those other things.
	There's a difference between therapy and pornography.
	There's a difference between therapy and talking to somebody about I'm having these issues in my marriage.
	How do I fix them?
	And going off and cheating on your wife behind her back.
	There's a huge difference.
	You put the blame on everybody else.
	The parents should parent better.
	They should pick better partners.
	When in reality, you have a big part of that blame and that these men are going to you.
	And that these people are.
	And I'm going to work on that.
	Okay, so I want to just bring it back to you guys really quick when it comes to the scene that you did with Jason.
	Was this a one-time thing for you guys?
	Are you guys looking to do something again?
	We're still communicating about how this might play out in the future.
	We're definitely doing more stuff with other guys as well as other girls, but we're moving a little bit slow just because the whole experience, the media cycle was so insane.
	But the next thing is probably going to be Adam, the other guy, and me together, which I'm really excited about.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Can I actually, could I recommend a few guys for your consideration?
	Oh, yes.
	Throw some names out there for sure.
	Okay, cool.
	Nick, if you can pull up the first one, it's the Instagrams.
	By the way, Nick, you gotta screen the super chats.
	You can't be pulling that.
	Yeah, I've always said that.
	No, I like the anti-Semitic one.
	That was a few.
	Yeah.
	disavow the fucking super chat the fucking adl is gonna make another fucking or not sorry excuse me No, no, no.
	It was the... Media Matters?
	Media Matters made up.
	They got me a couple times too recently, yeah.
	So we do not disavow the fucking super chat.
	We're not.
	Nick didn't know not to pull it up.
	I'm sure Media Matters is going to be fucking on it.
	It's the Instagram.
	The second one?
	Yeah, the second one.
	It's not, no, no, no, not the video.
	It's the Instagram profiles.
	The Instagram, not the video, though?
	It's the...
	It's the one right after the.
	Are we doing a review?
	It's the dudes.
	It's the guys.
	So I would like to, this is a good dear friend of mine.
	His name's Zach.
	Can you scroll down?
	Because didn't I see this guy in the documentary about the Johnny Depp trial?
	Oh, yeah.
	He was all up in that right now.
	Do you know how big his penis is?
	I think it's huge.
	I think it's giant.
	Perfect.
	His name's Zach.
	He's a very popular Twitch streamer.
	Goes by Asmin Gold.
	He looks tall.
	You can scroll up to the top.
	I don't think he's got this big.
	You don't think so?
	You can look at it.
	He probably has bad genetics, to be totally honest.
	I don't know.
	Oh, wow.
	I mean, has he ever excelled in any sporting events or anything?
	Have you?
	He's a pro camera.
	World of Warcraft.
	Like, he's really good.
	Do you think?
	Well, I mean, just to be serious about it, yeah, we're really only technically interested in working with adult professionals because you'd be surprised at how difficult getting and maintaining an erection on camera really is, especially for people who haven't been through the ringer of kind of learning how to do this.
	I think he's good.
	I would love to see what he's got to offer.
	Could you at least consider it?
	Well, if he wants to DM me his wiener, then I could definitely give him some sort of review.
	Sure.
	A lot of my friends seem to have a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that I need to be able to have an objective opinion about a man's penis.
	That's just part of the job.
	I need to be able to say, yeah, he has a great one.
	His sucks.
	His is not a factor, et cetera.
	So you have like Vito on not even necessarily for her, but because we film these sort of like orgies on camera and stuff.
	We do like a live stream.
	We're actually doing one on Thursday on the Plug Talk YouTube.
	It's basically like this, but then there's another room with an OnlyFans stream with like an orgy going on.
	So it would basically be like this, but some of the people could leave and go hook up in the other room.
	And so in that case, you know, I need to be able to look at a guy and say he's got a great dick.
	And a lot of people just have a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that I could be a heterosexual male with really a perfect record of heterosexuality.
	And I have somebody else too.
	I don't know if you guys know Felix XQC.
	He might be hot, debatably.
	I love blondes with long hair, but he looks a little liberal.
	Wait till you hear him talk.
	But I have to feel like wait till you see the way he sits.
	He was like, everything about him is so hot.
	I like blondes with like long hair pastor shoulders.
	He's a dear friend of mine.
	He's very genius.
	Do you think he could be considered from a clout perspective?
	Yes.
	Which I don't really want to do.
	Do you think it's good to get your friends into this business?
	What's that?
	Do you think it's good to get your friends into that business?
	Well, they asked me.
	I'm just doing them a favor to kind of, you know.
	But is it a favor?
	Is it a favor?
	Who did they vote for?
	That actually could be.
	I feel like it would be a burden.
	Is it a spiral?
	A bad spiral.
	It's hard to say, you know.
	Is he a Republican or a Democrat?
	I'm not sure.
	Because if he's a Republican, okay, so he's a reaction streamer.
	Last one.
	Last one, and then for the consideration.
	This is Frederique.
	Scroll all the way down.
	He's a Chad World of Warcraft gamer.
	He's a Chad.
	He's an actual Chad.
	Like, how shocking.
	That's him with Thunderfury, I don't know if that has a...
	What is Thunderfury?
	It's a sword from World of Warcraft.
	Legendary sword.
	Very few people, you know, you got to go into Molten Core.
	You got to get the drops from Baron Geddin and Magmadar.
	How much time do you still spend playing that?
	I don't play it anymore.
	I used to, though.
	It seems like I'm too busy.
	It just seems so addictive.
	I don't think masculine men play video games.
	No.
	Boo!
	Guys, move past me.
	I really don't.
	If you play video games, that's a red flag.
	Yeah.
	And not in the red pillway, in like the liberal and blue pillway.
	Yeah.
	Isabella, you recently.
	Sorry.
	He's just going to move past us.
	I think if men play video games, it's like the fantastic turnoff ever.
	I feel like more masculine.
	You're going to play video games.
	Oh, I can't agree with that.
	It's just like little men don't move.
	When they put on their headphones and they're like talking to 12-year-olds, I'm like, that's actually funny.
	Here's a question.
	Is it a turnoff if a guy watches a lot of movies?
	What the fuck is the difference?
	Oh, because there's a huge difference.
	You're playing with like 12-year-olds in different countries.
	Not all games are multi-family.
	And it's way more hours than a movie.
	Yeah.
	In a movie, you might be cuddling with your girl.
	But I also don't love the fact of watching TV and movies in general when you could be being active doing something on a nice date together.
	But watching movies or if it's quite male is completely different.
	No, they're both like you're living in an altar.
	You're sitting on the couch.
	You've got a big black screen in front of you.
	There's something playing on it.
	And one you're just observing and one you're controlling.
	I keep playing videos.
	I do agree.
	There's a version of playing video games that's basically like me sinking into my own depression and playing Fall Guys for eight hours.
	Yes.
	That is bad.
	But also, I think that's a good idea.
	It's way worse than porn, though.
	Transcendent experiences.
	You ever played Final Fantasy VII?
	You ever played Zelda?
	No.
	They'll change your goddamn life.
	Porn that's supposed to be 18 years old.
	That's like what I asked guys when I first thought they can.
	I say, Do you play video games for them?
	Maybe they just have a little bit of skill.
	Do you think video games is worse than porn?
	Post Malone plays video games on his off days.
	He's way more successful than anybody in this room.
	One thing, one thing.
	Video games don't have an age requirement.
	Porn does.
	Porn is age verification.
	So, technically, is there really an age requirement?
	But this is the thing, but this is the thing.
	Porn does have an age requirement, and video games don't.
	And I don't think anyone should be playing video games.
	But why are we paying porn to video games?
	Because they're both forms of individuals.
	Wait, but there's porn in video games nowadays.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so hold on.
	Just to be clear.
	So for you two, if a guy plays video games, that's a big deal break.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I want to tell you this.
	The way that you feel about men who play video games is the way that men feel about the fact that you guys do OnlyFans.
	I don't do OnlyFans.
	She doesn't do OnlyFans.
	She doesn't do OnlyFans.
	I got 95.
	Wow, I was my ex-boyfriend.
	And like, why was my ex-boyfriend fine with it?
	Why is every guy talking to fine with it?
	Like, probably.
	Why is your ex.
	Why is he your ex.
	He's not my ex because of like political or OnlyFan reasons.
	He's my ex because I knew that my intuition was saying he wasn't the one.
	He wanted.
	Believe me, if it was up to him, we'd still be together.
	92% of relationships that are polyamorous.
	He's so we're outside of the room.
	For exes?
	He's trying to pay me for blowjobs now.
	92%.
	I mean, what does that mean to say how he views you?
	I would never accept a payment for a blowjob.
	But you're trying to say, oh, he's your ex because you do OnlyFans.
	He's not my ex because I do OnlyFans.
	He's my ex because I don't want him in my life.
	So you're attracting negative men that continually.
	Well, I'm an empath.
	So I naturally.
	So you naturally attract toxic people?
	Well, yeah, they're hot as fuck.
	I think when you do OnlyFans, and that's kind of like what you do, I think, yeah, there's maybe like a degeneracy factor that's over the different.
	I didn't do OnlyFans when I met him.
	No, but that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that the men who are attracted to you want to be with you are not going to really be like a high-value fan.
	I was on million-dollar listing.
	I don't believe.
	Yeah, I mean, you could be on whatever show you want.
	But you're not like that either.
	Stop interrupting her.
	Let her speak.
	Go ahead, Isabella.
	I don't even remember my thought.
	I mean, I think you finished it.
	Let's move on.
	I don't think I like actually interrupted that much.
	We have one chat here.
	We have.
	You said, why am I?
	I think you're a little bit.
	Quiet.
	We have big black clock here.
	Oh, look, it's Lena and her wife, Adam 22.
	Do you have a response?
	Very planned.
	Very tricky.
	You switched it up on that.
	Out of the plug.
	Mana 22.
	All right, there we go.
	There we go.
	So.
	I can't believe you just made $100 for him, Simon.
	That is.
	That was it.
	That was it.
	I like his season.
	Isabella, you had a, maybe this was a while ago, you had an incident with a Trump flag.
	Were you on a date when that happened?
	No, it was not on a date.
	It was a long time ago.
	That was like 2019.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	I was working with a company, and there was a women's march the same day that there was Amy Coney Barrett confirmation, and so they kind of, that didn't go well.
	So you got like jumped or something?
	Yeah, I got like assaulted.
	You had a Trump hat or I had a Trump flag, yeah.
	And so I was assaulted by the women from the women's march.
	Was it recorded?
	No, it was not.
	No.
	Did they catch him?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	No.
	That's why you should always be live streaming because you could have gone viral as hell if that was on tape.
	Huge.
	Huge.
	So something that's kind of recently been making the rounds, and Adam, you've actually commented on this, I think, on your TikTok and Twitter.
	Logan Paul is dating a woman named Nina Agdahl.
	And Logan Paul has an upcoming fight with Dylan Dannis.
	And Dylan Dannis has kind of ruthlessly on Twitter been essentially just posting photos of Logan Paul's fiancée with other men.
	Some of them seem rather platonic.
	Some of them seem romantic.
	And then there's some videos too of her saying some, I suppose, sexual things.
	Let's just really quick, just to give people context.
	Nick, can you pull up, can you pull up just the Instagrams really quick?
	Starting with Logan.
	I'm sure most people know Logan.
	Logan Paul, he's hot as fuck.
	Disavow.
	Can you pull it up?
	He's super hot.
	The Wikipedias.
	Wikipedias.
	It says we're living in the matrix in the R, so there's that.
	Logan Paul is saying we live in the Matrix.
	I think you're in it.
	You're thinking of Andrew Tate.
	Okay, we have...
	No, because he's not blonde.
	He may have said it as well.
	Okay.
	So Logan Paul, famous influencer, etc., etc.
	He's 28 next.
	Nina Agdahl, 31, so she is, what, three years his senior?
	And she's like a model.
	And then Dylan Dannis, no photo of him there, but he's a like jiu-jitsu guy.
	They have a boxing match coming up here very soon in the UK.
	Can you pull up his Twitter?
	We're going to just react to a couple of his.
	I hope it might be.
	I don't know if he's got any.
	Let's scroll down.
	Just scroll down.
	There's so many.
	It's a lot.
	Just scroll down.
	By the way, he was the first person to DM me when that video with Jason came out.
	It was the first one in my DM.
	And he tried to use We're Both Armenian thing as a way to get some, I guess.
	Wait, he DM'd you, just to say hi?
	Well, to point out that they're both Armenian, I guess.
	Yeah, but you and him are both Armenian?
	Yeah, but it's like that was his entryway to try to talk to me.
	He unsent it after we started talking shit, but yeah.
	Are you going to have he wanted to try to get on the pod?
	Oh, that's a good idea.
	I've never tried to get him on the pod, but I for sure would, yeah.
	Okay.
	So he just DM'd you to say that.
	There's guys will DM all sorts of weird things to try to shoot their shot.
	I believe that was the entryway to shooting his shot, yeah.
	But I mean, I assume he knows that you're married, so.
	Yeah, I'm sure he doesn't care.
	Oh, these jiu-jitsu guys, they don't care, right?
	I don't know.
	All right.
	Let's pull it back up.
	Scroll down.
	Just keep scrolling.
	Let's see.
	This is from All the Craziest Today.
	Keep scrolling.
	So he's posting a bunch of photos.
	That's Kale Sunnan, Nina Agdahl, which is Logan's fiancé.
	Keep scrolling down.
	Some of these are clearly photos.
	Some of these are Photoshopped.
	I think that one is fake.
	There's a community note on it.
	Nina Agdahl.
	Oh, wait, stop at that one.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, I got to be careful a little bit with those.
	Wait, scroll back up.
	Scroll up a little bit.
	Oh, great.
	Up, I guess that's Nina with one of her exes.
	Scroll down.
	Keep scrolling down.
	And these are just, he's blasting them.
	Yeah, I'd be careful.
	Okay, yeah.
	Some of these might be a little.
	I don't know if he's all X-rayed on here.
	I don't think so.
	In any case, play that video.
	Play the video right there.
	yeah you gotta reasons Like, if you're just like, I don't want to f you anymore, say that.
	Don't come up with bull reasons.
	Like, if you're just like.
	In any case, he's posting a lot of photos with Nina, with other men.
	There's a couple videos of her where she's, you know, like that one making some sexual comments.
	There was one where she mentioned that she was at a stadium and gave a guy a blowy at a stadium or something.
	I don't know.
	Basically, just posting photos of her with some dudes and some kind of perhaps, as viewed by some people, unflattering statements she made.
	So, Adam, you actually, we have a video from Adam here.
	Full screen?
	Yeah, full screen.
	All right, so Logan Paul has an upcoming boxing match against this Dylan Dannis guy, and Dylan's been going on a little bit of a campaign trying to embarrass Logan by pointing out all the guys that his now fiancé has spent time with before Logan.
	This is Ja Rule.
	Dylan, I don't know how hip-hop fluent you are, but this is one of the GOATs.
	What's love got to do with it?
	Huh?
	I'm not always there when you call, but I'm always on time.
	Dylan, this is one of the GOATs.
	If his girl has actually spent time in the presence of Ja Rule, then he should be proud of it first time.
	I think the more men that your woman has spent time with before you get her, the more desirable she becomes.
	How about that, Dylan?
	Also, why was Dylan Dannis like the first guy in my girls' DMs as soon as she started to go viral with the Jason Love thing?
	I guess he says he's Armenian or whatever, but you're a per, so let's just throw that out there.
	Can I just say something?
	Wait, wasn't Ja Rule the one that also went with the fire festival thing?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Thank you for mentioning that.
	That's very confusing to me.
	It was important to mention that.
	It's relevant.
	It's relevant.
	I don't really trust Ja Rule.
	I'm not going to lie.
	So obviously, you're kind of joking a little bit.
	You're hamming it up.
	No, but I do like when a woman has some miles on her.
	You know, that doesn't bother me one way.
	But every photo she's ever taken with another dude means that she's like not worthy of a marriage anymore.
	Like maybe some of those are relationships, maybe some of them weren't, but like, who fucking cares?
	She's 31 years old.
	Of course she's going to have experiences with other men.
	I kind of doubt that she banged Ja Rule.
	Also, Logan has fucked a bunch of my friends.
	No one's talking about that.
	Like, I mean, I get that it doesn't matter when men do it, but like, you know, it's like everybody.
	I mean, he knows that I've had a bunch of relationships.
	She's witnessed it.
	She's seen him fuck her friends, right?
	I mean, I think, Lena, you're onto something.
	Lena, you're on to something in that, you know, I saw, I heard about that whole kind of kerkuffle happening on Twitter between the two.
	And I do think that it is inconsistent for a man to demand sexual purity from a woman and not demand it from himself.
	And I think that we're seeing that a little bit because it's like, okay, this woman supposedly has slept with other men.
	I mean, there's like, I don't know about proof of that, but they're saying that she has.
	But it's not like Dylan is saying, hey, I want to stand for, you know, self-control and I'm going to be a man.
	Instead of, they're claiming that part of being a man is being promiscuous.
	That's typically the thought process.
	And I think that's totally untrue.
	I mean, I think part of being a man and part of being a virtuous woman is total self-control and directing your energy towards good things and choosing good things.
	And in a relationship that includes choosing fidelity and choosing honor and choosing commitment.
	So I kind of agree with your take in that.
	I think it's inconsistent of him to be doing that when he himself isn't trying to live that way.
	At least that he hasn't said that or he hasn't.
	You need to kind of date people to figure out like what you are into and what you're willing to put up with and not put up with.
	I know you said love is a choice.
	So in your position, there could be an arranged marriage at 13 and those people just needed.
	But it wouldn't be a choice if it was arranged.
	But if they committed to get married to each other and they do get married, then they have to still choose to love each other.
	If they fully choose it, I don't think they could choose at 13 or 15.
	Okay, so let's say it was 18 and they just they're like, let's get hitched because we want to fuck.
	Yeah, well, I don't know what happens then.
	If you get hitched just to have sex, I think that's going to be a problem for you.
	You should get married to, yes, you want to be intimate with the person.
	You want to give your body to them and receive their body, but it has to be more than just physicality.
	It's about your spirituality.
	It's about your lifelong plan of what we're going to do together.
	We're going to create something beautiful together, a family.
	So marriage isn't just about sex.
	Sex is super important, but it's not just about sex.
	For example, like if one of you had an injury, right?
	And you, God forbid, couldn't have sex, would that make you, the other person, love the other person less?
	No.
	No.
	Would you still stay together?
	Yeah.
	What kind of injury?
	An injury that prevented, at least for an indefinite amount of time, you being able to be sexually intimate.
	Here's the scenario.
	I'll give you at least six months.
	Here's the scenario.
	But after six months, you'd cut her off?
	I am out of here.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	I'm going to hold you together.
	I have a fleshly.
	I have a scenario for you, Abby.
	But that's beautiful.
	You mean you'd stay together regardless of your physical problems.
	You would be committed to each other.
	I think you'd leave me if I got fat.
	Hell no.
	We got a baby together.
	I'm sticking around no matter what.
	Credit to Patrice and Neil on this.
	Let's say Lena is on a train and there's a terrible train accident and she loses the pussy in the train accident.
	You know, catastrophic train accident.
	Right.
	I mean, luckily for her, she's got a mouth, she's got an asshole, and she's got these great armpits.
	Realistically, they secrete a lot of fluid throughout the body right now.
	I just found that out the hard way.
	No, yeah, for sure.
	Like, especially, you know, when she had a baby, and, you know, I'm watching the fucking doctor slice her stomach open and pull the baby out like the Lion King.
	And I'm just witnessing that and just realizing, like, oh, I am sticking around.
	Like, it does not matter that they're ripping her apart.
	I could see her intestines.
	They're pulling the child out of her.
	I'm on board.
	Like, and that was, you know, an important moment for me to realize.
	Have you thought about, like, it sounds like you've got a beautiful commitment for each other?
	Have you thought about retiring and not continuing to sleep with other people and just being completely exclusive with each other, not just in your emotions, but in your body, which I think is just as important as emotions?
	I think probably within, let's say, like three to four years, that's probably quite likely that we might be able to get a lot of things.
	Okay, but I think even if we retired with having sex on camera for money, we would probably still do explorative things in our personal life because that's kind of how we got into the porn thing was we knew that we liked sharing our energy with a third person and that when that person even left the room, our energy between us was actually a lot stronger.
	Yeah, and I figured that out when I first moved to California, I had this girlfriend that I was seeing and we drove down to Tijuana and we ended up like banging some of the strippers at the strip club called Hong Kong.
	And just us, like we had that communal experience of banging strippers together.
	And I swear to God, the rest of our time together, we were so close.
	And then once I started seeing her and we kind of started having those experiences, like I think you would really be surprised at how the level of trust that it takes to involve somebody else in your relationship.
	Now, I'm not saying it's always easy or smooth because obviously sometimes you'll have girls, you know, lying on you or like, you know, creating weird narratives or just doing strange stuff in general.
	But I do think that when it works, it can be like a very transcendent experience for a girl.
	I think you're kind of making the point, which I agree with, that it's very high risk, right?
	Like there's, it can get very toxic quickly.
	Like even the guy that you were talking about earlier, you're not really sure if you're texting with him.
	Like after the scene that you did, there was.
	It's not for everybody.
	I think, like, I'm not, we don't walk around talking about what we do with sex and trying to encourage other people to do it.
	You know, like, I'm not saying go let your wife sleep with someone else.
	It's really good for your relationship.
	You definitely do it.
	I don't think it's for everybody.
	I don't think everybody can handle it.
	We can only do this because our relationship is in a really good place.
	If our relationship was in a bad place, threesomes, everything's off the table because we're not connected.
	So we can't open up ourselves to somebody else.
	But your most important, I'm going to guess your most important sort of focus is protecting your relationship.
	Is that the case?
	Okay.
	So if that's the case, why would you kind of constantly put your relationship on the edge of the cliff again and again and again?
	Because the reward is like the risk is there, but when you actually have the experience, it makes our connection stronger when that person leaves.
	So it adds to our experience.
	What if you just fully invested in each other and you're like, we're going to find the highs and the lows together and keep this exclusive to us?
	Have you considered that?
	Have you tried that?
	Seven years, I feel like we've probably felt a large percentage of the highs and lows, you know?
	But also like what we're doing.
	I mean sexually, like keeping that intimate for yourself.
	Like have you given that a year?
	Like we're going to just do, we're just going to be together, cut out other people.
	This is just for us again.
	Or maybe for the first time.
	It's not for the first time.
	I mean, we've gone many months without doing things with other people.
	It's not like a huge deal to us at this point.
	Like honestly, even when I met her and I was still single, like I was first starting to sort of like get to the level of clout when I started seeing her that I was having random girls come into my DMs and want to like come over with their friend and hook up.
	And when I started seeing her, it was almost like kind of hard for me to let go of the filthy lifestyle that I had been living.
	But now the perspective I have on like group sex and stuff is that I absolutely don't give a shit.
	I would be totally fine being in a relationship with her.
	I've offered him to go sleep with girls without me.
	Like if I have a sore throat, I'm like, I don't want to go to set today.
	And he's like, no, no, no, no, let's just cancel.
	Like I'd rather do it with you.
	I'd rather play Pokemon Go or something, you know.
	Yeah, I mean, so the statistic is over 90% of non-monogamous relationships end up in separation or divorce.
	92 to 20.
	92%.
	So, you know, it's kind of that edge of the cliff thing, right?
	But it sounds like a lot of people.
	It sounds like they should have gotten a very secondary.
	It sounds like you really value each other.
	You've got a beautiful trust and like love for each other.
	And you have a child and you want to have more children.
	So have you thought about, you know, even separate from the straight up morality question, which, you know, we're on the side of like, this is not moral.
	This is hurting other people actively, the addicts, the young kids, the broken couples, but even just for the sake of your own marriage.
	But we want to protect you.
	We put so much stress on our relationship, like in the sense that us or her sleeping with another guy was like basically one of the biggest stories in the whole country or world over the course of the past couple months.
	And I could say that it put very little stress on our relationship because it just really wasn't that big a deal to us, especially just because, you know, we do porn.
	It's business to us.
	You know, it was decided upon in a business sense.
	I do think that, honestly, it might put more stress on our relationship if we were to have just done some sort of like sex party hookup thing.
	That might be a little bit more treacherous in terms of our relationship.
	I think the reason why we were comfortable expanding our relationship and that we can do orgy type content and all that kind of stuff.
	And it's not that big a deal or that intimidating to us is because I've been with her for seven years.
	I have no doubt that she's never cheated on me.
	I have no trust issues with her at all.
	You know, we're like completely comfortable with each other.
	So that's why we felt like it wasn't that big a deal.
	And that's probably why we feel comfortable doing it again, even after having been so massively in the news over the past couple of months.
	Adam, you don't see the increase in opening your relationship up to risk, though.
	We're just giving you statistics, 90% of relationships.
	You guys are functionally in a non-monogamous relationship, even though privately you may not be.
	It seems like you guys have something special, and it seems like you guys have a child and a beautiful family.
	You decided to get married.
	You decided to say the vows.
	And it seems like there's this roaring going on inside of you guys where you have certain values and you have certain things that you want for your kids in this unit.
	Yet at the same time, I'm just perplexed by the motivation.
	I don't see those things to be contradictory that we want to have a great life for our kids and stuff, and then we also are willing to, you know, do for your own union.
	Like, it seems like this increases the likelihood of this potentially ending, which I don't want for you guys.
	We've never really discussed it in those terms.
	I don't think of it that way.
	And I think if anything, it kind of made our sex life a little bit more exciting for a period of time.
	Just the fact that I had a little bit of competition, a little bit more of a reason to go hard, you know?
	And I don't necessarily think that's the worst thing.
	I do have a question, though.
	Last thing on this, because I feel like we've been dogpiling a little bit on Adam here.
	If like going off and like sleeping with other people is not out of bounds with your marriage, what would you consider something out of bounds of your marriage?
	Well, it actually is out of bounds with our marriage.
	Like we only have sex with other people on camera.
	But I think if we ever opened up our relationship to anything more, like we don't, we want emotional monogamy and it's physical non-monogamy that we have.
	And like, so for us, cheating would be like dating other people, but also doing something that we didn't previously discuss.
	Like we have a calendar of all the girls we're going to have a threesome with.
	If Adam decided he was going to go fuck a girl that wasn't on the calendar and I didn't know about it, that's cheating.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Yeah.
	Like her doing that scene with the other guy, like there was no betrayal of trust.
	It was just content, which I feel like those statistics of like 92% of people in polyamorous relationships or whatever, they break up.
	It's like, it's probably not necessarily including, because we know a ton of porn couples who do stuff with other people and they do it on camera and it either helps their relationship or it seems like it's just kind of a non-factor, which I would kind of put us in that box.
	Have any been married like 50 years?
	Do you think they make it that long?
	I mean, there's not people who are 70 and porn.
	But like after, I don't think he has to be in porn, but I know at least a few couples who are in their late 40s who have many kids and a happy marriage.
	So let's try to bring it back to the Logan Paul and Dylan Dannis thing.
	So I guess a couple questions here.
	One, do you guys think that Dylan has gone, and I would like to go around the table fully so we can give everyone a chance to answer.
	Do you think that Dylan Dannis is going too far by posting these photos of Logan Paul's fiancé with various other men?
	And do you take Coral with he's Dylan Dannis is saying that she's been with 75 guys before Logan.
	And a lot of people are arguing, well, Logan's, he's a successful guy, attractive guy.
	Could he get somebody who's had less previous sexual partners?
	Maybe that's not part of the calculus for him.
	In any case, thank you, Flannel, I appreciate it.
	Do you think that body count matters?
	Wait, so we'll start with you and then we'll go around the table.
	I think when it comes to these fight promos, there's probably nothing off the table.
	People are free to promote how they want, but I think it's kind of just stupid that he's going after his fiancé instead of him for the fight.
	I don't think her value isn't at all diminished by 75 or 100 or 1,000 guys.
	I believe Logan is a smart guy, and I believe he's dated many women, and he's decided, like, this is the woman he loves, regardless of any of those factors.
	Like, okay, let's say she's a virgin, but she has like a super shit personality.
	Like, you know, who's to say one is better than the other?
	I don't think body count should matter, even though people place so much importance in it.
	I mean, it's stupid.
	I like Dylan doing it from the perspective of like promoting a boxing match, trolling, that kind of stuff.
	I've been enjoying it.
	If it wasn't in the lead up to a boxing match, I would just think it was just gross and just really misogynistic and just kind of lame.
	For me, though, if I'm Logan Paul, I mean, that girl, I don't know anything about her besides the fact that she's very beautiful and seems like she's quite successful.
	And I mean, there's probably a reason why all these other successful dudes wanted to spend time with her at some point aside from just her looking good.
	I don't really like see purity as being a big part of why I would want to be with a girl.
	Like, now I can understand the awkwardness of the fact that, you know, if you're in the same world as someone and you start dating them and then, you know, they've had sex with a bunch of your friends or whatever, that could be kind of awkward.
	But at the same time, I mean, you got to look at all the successful dudes out there.
	Like, if you're Travis Scott wife up Kylie Jenner, who at the very least has had sex with Tyga, shout out Tyga, and you know, probably dozens of other dudes.
	And it's like, he didn't choose, this is like the most successful dude in the world.
	He didn't choose to go out and wife up some girl who's got, you know, one body or two bodies or whatever.
	He went out there and got a girl who had actually been really like living her life and having experiences and stuff.
	And I think that the sort of traditional, you know, like red pill idea that you want to find a girl that's got, you know, less than five bodies, like, I feel like most successful dudes don't actually seem like they invest a lot of mental energy into that, myself included.
	Your take?
	If I'm dating someone, yeah, they're not going to fuck someone else.
	They're not going to fuck anyone but me.
	Like, I am totally into monogamy.
	But like I said earlier, it's about the ratio, not the number.
	And when it's people in the public eye like this, they have a lot of opportunities and they their number might seem higher compared to a lot of people that don't have nearly as many opportunities.
	So I don't think it has anything to do with your number.
	It has everything to do with your ratio and the opportunities that you're choosing to take or not take.
	But if you are in a relationship, yeah, like if I'm dating a man, he's not fucking anyone else but me.
	1,000%.
	Do you do BG content on your OF?
	Yeah, I do.
	But it's only with the, we broke up pretty recently, but yeah, I was like, okay, so you wouldn't, for example, if you're in a relationship with a guy, you wouldn't do content with another guy.
	No, never.
	Okay.
	It was only like me and him because we were in a relationship.
	Gotcha.
	Do you think, do you take quarrel with men caring about women's body count?
	No, because I said this multiple times.
	It's about the ratio.
	What do you mean?
	So I'm super hot.
	So a lot of guys want to fuck me.
	And I don't fuck a lot of guys comparatively.
	But if a girl's not that hot and a lot of guys don't want to fuck her, that number is like a lot of people.
	Something with the right clothes, the right look, she doesn't get a lot of opportunities.
	She doesn't get as many opportunities out of I do.
	It's about the ratio.
	It's about the ratio.
	But okay, taking opportunities is like the whole thing in life.
	The ratio.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So what you're saying is basically if a girl is very unattractive, then she should have a low body count because she's presumably not having as many opportunities.
	Whereas if a girl is very attractive, then she should probably has had more opportunities.
	But it still depends about the ratio.
	But how are we even going to know?
	It depends.
	Well, that's why a number does not actually matter.
	Because I will my 10 and her 10 might be completely different.
	There's been like times where some dudes told me like, yeah, I fucked 100 girls.
	I'm like, yeah, no shit.
	You go to the club every night.
	Right.
	Like, of course, you live in Miami.
	I never leave the house.
	You know, I'm not like, that's why I have had a lot of people who are going to be able to do that's why the ratio matters.
	Exactly.
	Who keeps track of this ratio and how is it calculated?
	This is the thing.
	You could tell though.
	It depends where you live.
	It depends what you look like.
	If you're out in Miami, Las Vegas, New York City, partying every night, you probably have a couple guys trying to take you home.
	And if you go home with 10, if you go home with 10 over living there for three years, that's not a big deal.
	What's the difference between a number and a ratio?
	Because of how many opportunities you have.
	If you live in like Ohio and you've only had 10 opportunities to have sex and you chose all 10, 10 is a big number for you.
	10 isn't a big number.
	If you have had 10,000 opportunities and wants an opportunity, you said no to.
	I like that you're sticking to your guns on this ratio.
	Because it is a battery.
	Because it is.
	Because it actually is.
	Anyone with common sense actually has.
	Anything in college?
	The ratio.
	I'm still confused by what the ratio is.
	I don't understand what you're going to do.
	She keeps tracks of how many guys want to bone her.
	Okay.
	And if there's 100 guys and she only sleeps with two, that's a great ratio.
	Right, exactly.
	So in her mind, she can know who wants to smash.
	But therefore, it's like a slut ratio.
	That's what she's saying.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's like temptation.
	It's going to perfectly.
	It sounds like slat.
	Some girls might say two, but only had two opportunities.
	That's kind of slutty.
	But if you had 100 opportunities and only choose two men, I get it.
	It's not slutty at all.
	It's very virgin-like.
	It's very biblical.
	It sounds like you're saying that it's very biblical.
	But it sounds like you're saying self-control is what you're choosing.
	Choosing opportunities, choosing people.
	Yeah, a thousand percent.
	So you think it actually shows you.
	But you said you should choose to love someone, and I'm saying you should choose to have sex with them.
	Two might be a big number for someone.
	And it might not be.
	But doesn't this contradict your point?
	That's so is tense.
	Hold on.
	But doesn't this contradict your point earlier that we are just supposed to be in caves sleeping around like rabbits when now you're saying we're not going to be saying restraint.
	Hold on, let them finish.
	Containing your body count based on the ratio is a virtue one should aspire for.
	No.
	That's not what you're saying.
	No.
	That's what you're saying.
	You said we were all supposed to be naked because Eve ate the apple.
	No, I didn't say we're.
	I never said that.
	So we're not supposed to be supposed to be in a cave naked, but not sleeping.
	I said be, no, if you're in a cave, I only have ever done stuff with my boyfriend on my OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	And if I, if Eve didn't eat the apple, I would be naked in a cave doing stuff with my boyfriend.
	There's no, there's no doors on caves.
	Everyone will be just walking around.
	If animals fuck, it's not weird.
	They're in the wild.
	But we are supposed to be bad animals.
	We are, though.
	We actually are.
	I think we are more than animals.
	The reason why we're not is because society has built us up to such a horrible thing that we're not supposed to be.
	Like, you could get into like why we wear rubber shoes.
	Like, we're supposed to be grounding off the universe.
	I think we are as if body.
	We really are animals.
	A body's a body.
	And it's about the ratio.
	The answer is still about the ratio.
	Okay.
	What is your ratio?
	Very, very, very low.
	Compared to how many people want to fuck me, to how many people I fucked?
	What's the ratio?
	Yeah.
	One to a thousand.
	So a thousand dudes want to fuck you.
	More than a thousand, but I'm just choosing the ratio.
	Excuse me.
	I apologize.
	The ratio is like 0.000003.
	That's the ratio.
	Do you keep a notebook?
	Yep.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	0.00003.
	She keeps a tally.
	Okay.
	Diary.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	So your take on the Logan Paul Dylan Dana situation.
	So we're talking like numbers now, not ratios.
	I'm saying it's not about numbers.
	I don't know why people are so confused about math.
	No one has common sense.
	I mean, I just didn't think like a number before you're with somebody.
	I don't know my number.
	But there's the thing, but you've lived in a bunch of stories.
	So you talk about opportunities.
	Yeah.
	You don't know your never mind.
	No.
	What?
	But this is the thing.
	I don't keep saying that.
	Me and her have had a lot of opportunities that we've said no to.
	And that should be very important.
	Every woman has a lot of opportunities that they've said no to.
	Madison, your take?
	I think it was very humorous.
	I don't think you ought to bring the whole wifey into it, but.
	Well, that's the whole humorous part, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, he didn't have to go that far, but it was funny.
	It was humorous.
	I absolutely understand why body count matters.
	And yeah.
	So the question is, why does body count matter?
	Or does it matter?
	I think that it's completely understandable for someone who has tried to choose virtue and self-control to want that in their future spouse.
	I completely understand that.
	I think for anybody who's lived sort of a more promiscuous past, who chooses virtue and says, I don't want to do that anymore.
	I want to change my life.
	I think there's a future for that person.
	So I don't think having a body count in your past means that you can't have a future.
	But I also understand and appreciate that people that are trying to live virtue want to be with somebody who shares their values.
	Yeah, obviously body count matters.
	Obviously, it's harder to pair bond the higher the number of partners you had.
	Obviously, you're more likely to get divorced the higher number of partners you've had.
	This is all proven through and through.
	So yes, it matters.
	The double standard of propping Logan up to be some playboy while making her seem like some slut, I think is a bit weird and kind of one of the non-helpful aspects of our culture.
	And yeah, it's not the most classiest move, but if they're trying to sell fights, my guess would be as Logan is in on it and he's okay with making as much money as he can.
	But yes, it matters.
	Yes, there's redemption.
	Yes, there's an amazing story arc if these two were to repent and change and go a totally different direction with their lives, which I think is beautiful, that there's always redemption.
	Yeah, I mean, I probably agree that I don't agree with like dragging the whole wifey into it.
	I mean, at 31, it's kind of expected that she's obviously going to have already slept with people.
	But I do, in my opinion, I think that body count matters, but I think it matters for the person that you're with and the relationship that you're in.
	And I find that oftentimes people who think that body count doesn't matter is usually coming from people with like really high body counts.
	But that also has something to do with the ratio.
	The ratio doesn't make sense.
	If someone's like famous, I think probably have a lot of people that want to fuck them, so their body counts can automatically be higher because they had a lot of opportunities than normally true.
	in.
	I mean, in a thousand look at Because I think there's a lot of people who are not.
	Yeah, but the Deans don't mean anything.
	And I think there's a lot of opportunities though.
	Please stop cutting people off.
	Go ahead, Isabel.
	I think there's a lot of people who are attractive and good-looking that you can still refrain from promiscuity and hooking up with people.
	And there's people who can be, I guess, super not attractive, but it's like who's guiding that scale?
	Like some people find certain people attractive.
	Some people find the same person super unattractive.
	But that's actually my whole point.
	Like, it's about the ratio.
	I think it's about the ratio.
	If you fell in love with a guy, but you found out he had slept with 10 other girls, would that be like a deal breaker?
	If you offended a nation $200 to the blondie in the back right, your body count is higher than the amount of brain cells you have, and you sound like a 90-year-old chain smoker.
	Your response to Bender the Offender?
	Yeah, I naturally do have a very raspy voice.
	I actually used to work as a receptionist.
	My first job ever after college was a receptionist at a law firm.
	And everyone that I answered the phone to would say, I hope you feel better.
	And I was like, yeah, I'm not fucking sick, but thank you.
	I'll transfer you now to the lawyer that you are trying to talk to.
	What were you saying?
	What was your question?
	It's just a question out of curiosity.
	If you fall in love with a man and then you find out he's been with 10 other girls intimately, that would be, no, 10.
	Would that be a deal breaker for you?
	I want to know, like, not in this world.
	I feel like if a guy checked off all the boxes for me and he was like no longer in that lifestyle, if it was something that he did like a while ago, then I feel like it wouldn't matter too much to me.
	But if he's been with like 100 girls, then yeah, I feel like that would be like a problem.
	What if I change my ways?
	I leave her.
	I become a man of God and I decide that I want to be one of these TradCon internet guys and that, you know, I'm going to like totally change my whole life, rebrand as a man of God.
	We would disciple you.
	You forget that you're married.
	Don't be a lot of industry.
	Get back counseling and all that good stuff.
	I just want to know if that is a possibility.
	Well, I think there's like redemption, kind of what he was saying and what she was saying.
	Like I think people can like be promiscuous and then I think that they can like kind of like turn from that and be like, okay, I'm not.
	I don't want to be a lot more.
	So 10 is a lot more.
	And that 10 is promiscuous.
	I don't know.
	I'm just curious.
	I do feel like I do genuinely, I know it's so bad.
	I feel like guys and girls are very different.
	So I feel like 10 like for a girl is like a lot.
	But also like for a guy, yeah, it kind of is like a good idea.
	I do think that if you guys did, if you did that and you're like, I'm done with, you know, this, the porn world.
	Greatest story archer.
	I know.
	And I'm going to be like a man, like you said, a man of God.
	And you stayed with Lena and you just.
	Oh, stay together.
	Yeah, of course.
	You're married.
	I'm hard to get a possibility.
	And really focused on your family, raising your kids.
	I think it would set an incredible example.
	It would probably help many people realize that the lifestyle they're in with porn is harmful to see two people leave that industry and say, no, we're going to build something beautiful and secure and committed to it.
	Wait, well, why aren't they building so much secure and beautiful?
	If a guy was with 100 girls, probably not.
	Okay.
	He was with 300 before I started dating him.
	That's why I'm like, is there something fucked up about me that I literally cared this much?
	I was wilding.
	Yeah, like in retrospect, I don't know what the hell I was doing.
	Like I was just really trying to fill this hole in my heart with just fucking as many random girls as I could.
	And then once I got into a relationship and felt like I kind of shook off that whole mentality, I definitely did feel a lot better.
	My thing is, is that I think the average guy might need to catch, you know, 50 bodies before he realistically has like a real perspective.
	He disagrees with the size.
	I just the way he talks always is like.
	No, but like personality-wise, vagina-sizing-wise, there's just so many things that I feel like you're going to figure out once you slept with a bunch of people.
	I disagree with this vagina-size conversation you always have.
	There's a lot of different sizes.
	I've been with my wife and two other women.
	I could assure you that my sex life is thriving and just fine after 15 years of being together.
	I don't think you, no, I know.
	Well, it is new because you have less knowledge.
	Wait, why wouldn't you not out there?
	So it's like it's harder for you to have your mind wander to what could be out there, which is good.
	There's a freedom inside of a covenantal relationship to try things and to explore and to do things that if you're out here and you're raw dogging it, you don't know who has what and all the stipulations that go into that life.
	There's a freedom you have.
	There's a protection you have.
	There's a trust that you have in a relationship with just you and the person.
	And that's why I do think that the sexual revolution has overall been probably negative for most women because the truth is that as a man, you can have sex with any woman and bust a nut in five, ten minutes and you're good.
	You just had a good time.
	Whereas for a woman, realistically, the first time you have sex with a guy, you have like an infinitesimal percentage chance that you're going to orgasm.
	And you're realistically only going to end up having positive sexual experiences by sleeping with the same guy over and over and really learning how to connect with him.
	It's called marriage.
	It's called marriage.
	Totally.
	And I get that.
	I also just think women, you know, should feel free to do what they want to do.
	But I also, in terms of what I would tell, you know, any woman in my life, what I would recommend for them, I would say, you know, hold your vagina in high esteem and don't like just be handing it out willy-nilly because realistically, the most leverage that you have to get a guy to take you serious is by holding out on sex and forcing them to show some serious amount of interest in you before you give into that.
	That being said, if a woman just wants to have sex, too, I'm not opposed to her.
	Adam 22 promoting abstinence.
	I love that.
	Well, I do think as a woman, that is like the sole superpower that you have.
	Now, you know, we had sex the first night that we met and it still worked out, but I do think that there's been many times in my life where a girl might have made me wait like even two weeks to sleep with her.
	And in that two-week time period, we were texting and going on dates and hanging out.
	And it kind of forced me to take her serious as a but what happened after she fucked you?
	Did you stay with her?
	Some of them I stayed with them for a few more weeks.
	But do you think that do you think that experience says something like even the way women are wired?
	Like you said, like a woman needs to really typically get to know the man.
	Like, and I mean, that's the power of a marriage is you're really committed.
	You're going to see what works for each other sexually.
	So there's this like hedge of protection around your sex life, which is this beautiful thing.
	It opens all these opportunities for you to really explore together.
	But don't you think that says something about morality?
	Like our bodies say something actually about morality, meaning women can get pregnant from sex.
	Women need to really be known and feel close and comfortable and be able to be vulnerable in order to be even able to orgasm typically.
	And so there's something written into our actual bodily design for monogamy.
	That's good.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know that I take it that serious that it's like, you know, hardwired into us.
	I think so much is just that's the bargaining chip.
	Marriage doesn't guarantee an orgasm.
	I mean, well, of course not.
	You've got to work at it.
	Adam, you just said that when you sorry.
	You just said it when you slept with those 300 women.
	You said, I had a hole in my heart.
	You know that's like one of the most evangelical Christian things people say, right?
	They tell me I didn't know that.
	That they're trying to fill something.
	And so they're going out and they're trying to fill that void with something that could only be filled with God.
	But the truth is, is that I had to sleep with some number of women in order to feel like I had enough life experience to then settle down.
	Like I can even rewind my life to when I was, you know, in my early 20s.
	And there was a girl I dated for a few months and she was awesome.
	She was like, you know, we still are friends.
	We still talk here and there.
	She wanted to settle down with me.
	And I just kind of knew at the age of like 23 that I just had a lot of living to do and that I wasn't going to be able to really settle down in a relationship, even if the girl that I was with at the time was pretty great, just because I didn't have enough life experience.
	But why do you feel that way?
	I got married at 23, 19 years later.
	We're great.
	We're doing well.
	We have two beautiful kids.
	No, and there's part of me that kind of wishes that I had been mature enough to have been able to like accept that relationship for what it was.
	But I also, I think I would have cheated non-stop.
	I think I would have been a total piece of shit.
	I think I needed to like kind of get some of my wild oats out there before I was able to settle in.
	You need to have a whole face.
	I think everybody needs a whole face.
	The question is just how long have a whole face.
	Even those two bodies, you got those a little bit of a whole face, right?
	I mean, before Jesus.
	Let's get a couple of things.
	Can you say something?
	I completely agree with you.
	And actually, you too.
	Like, I completely agree with you.
	I'm not talking about having one-night stands.
	I don't have one-night stands.
	I meet guys that I think I might date that I think potentially might go somewhere.
	We hook up, we date, we, it maybe only lasts three months, but I'm not doing it like for a one-night stand.
	I'm not doing that.
	I'm being very, very, very careful.
	I genuinely interested in them.
	I genuinely think it might go somewhere.
	And my parents are divorced.
	I'm very, very careful of who I'm going to settle down with, who I'm going to have kids with.
	So I think that like there's a point that's misunderstanding.
	Like I'm super Republican.
	Super traditional, but I'm not gonna settle down with the first opportunity because I will never put my kids through a divorce.
	I will never put my kids through watching a family fight or parents fight.
	So, I think that's where I misunderstood.
	I wish that I was how old did you say you were 23?
	38 got married at 23.
	Yeah, I wish that I met my person at 19 and married at 23.
	I wish that that didn't happen for me.
	Sorry, but I but I have to vet them.
	I'm not just like fucking people to fuck them.
	I'm fucking dating them.
	I'm dating them.
	Yeah, I'm genuinely being super careful.
	I believe in what you believe in, but I didn't get as lucky to just meet my person at 19.
	You know what?
	I had my whole life planned out with someone who I thought I was gonna marry, and then it didn't go the way that was planned.
	A lot of people sounds like you want marriage, like a beautiful person.
	Yeah, a thousand percent.
	But I'm not gonna settle.
	I'm not gonna say that.
	I don't think you should settle.
	But do you think that you're maximizing your opportunity for a loving, faithful, committed marriage by doing OnlyFans?
	Well, I mean, that's how me and my ex got to our strongest point ever.
	He's your ex.
	Hey, I don't do anything.
	Yeah, but he's my ex then to you, yeah.
	He's my ex because I wanted him to be my ex and not the other way.
	But why?
	Why did you want to do it?
	But like, we were already doing videos and stuff for each other just because we were into it.
	And then I was like, hey, we can make a lot of money doing this.
	I got into it on my own without him.
	But no, I actually will completely say when I committed to OnlyFans, me and him were not officially together.
	And I said, this might affect my dating life, but I'm single and I need to live a certain lifestyle and I'm going to do it regardless.
	And I didn't expect it to get as far as it did.
	But I also got into a relationship that I never even thought would be a true official relationship ever.
	I'm just saying, yeah, it didn't work out, but it's not because of the OnlyFan.
	Yeah, I think it has nothing to do with OnlyDancing.
	I do have to move things along.
	So we have a couple chats here.
	We have Puffy Vegas.
	I'm 100% straight.
	I've been seven stars, all women.
	I'm five foot eight tall, but nine, oh my god, nine inches long.
	I have not played video gate videos.
	Puffy, my dude, you should.
	Okay, since 1990, Adam 22, have your wife rate my Instagram.
	Puffy, you got to hit the threshold, buddy, if you want us to.
	You got to do it through Streamlabs too, if you want us to do a rating.
	I like how he tells me to let you know.
	He rate his dick.
	Mine is just pretty long.
	Yeah, he's totally lying.
	Nine is so big.
	I didn't realize until I measured mine and I realized that I wasn't even seven.
	And I was like, damn, nine is serious.
	You're pretty good, babe.
	Fine.
	I guess.
	Good times.
	Okay, we have Hearn.
	A few things.
	Where the fuck has Mike Davis been?
	Also, from listening to Adam, it is clear to me he is an ideal.
	Come on, be nice.
	I have an ideal candidate for a lobotomy as if to say that I'm already.
	Well, he's saying I'm like sick in the head, so I need a lobotomy, but he's not saying I'm dumb.
	In regards to other super chats, to find out.
	Oh, my.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, right.
	All right.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Juice box emojis in the chat.
	Mac Mac.
	Thank you for the 100.
	Appreciate it.
	And then we have a couple here from Streamlabs.
	We have.
	One sec.
	Let me get this triggered.
	Oh, Valdiv, Keck W, Olay girls don't know how much military and law enforcement play games.
	Question for the panel.
	How do you think the cardinal sins being commonplace in our society and how it affects dating in particular?
	Lust, envy, sloth, and pride, deus of volt.
	What about the, what are the other seven?
	There's gluttony, wrath.
	What's the other one?
	Pride.
	No, there's lust, envy, sloth, and pride.
	Gluttony.
	Oh, gluttony, greed, and wrath.
	Yeah.
	So he's asking, do you think the cardinal sins being commonplace in our society and how it affects dating them chick?
	Wait, do you think there are cardinal sins?
	Is that the...
	Here, I'll pull it back up.
	I think he's saying that the proliferation of this stuff is leading to the downward turn of society.
	Just a failed society.
	Okay.
	All right, Valdez.
	I think there's a lot of things going in play to the downfall of society, and it's way, way, way bigger than OnlyFans.
	Joe Biden, for one.
	Okay.
	So I think what he's asking is, do the seven deadly sins have an impact on dating?
	Lust, greed, envy, sloth, pride, wrath, gluttony.
	Of course they have an impact on dating, but I think the deeper issue is the one underneath the surface, which Christy is kind of hinting at, is that we have an entire society that's upside down, and we're wondering why people are getting divorced more likely, why there's more self-deletion, why all these things are happening in school with the Transformers.
	We're seeing all this stuff proliferate, and it's like, where is this coming from?
	As society gets more and more secular and removes God from everything, all of a sudden things go bad.
	All of a sudden, there's more STDs, there's more STIs, there's more deletion of babies.
	All of these things are connected.
	So those are just the manifestation of said things.
	But I would also go back to something.
	You guys are all into fitness.
	You're a fitness instructor.
	If you know that eating in a caloric deficit, having the right amount of protein, being active creates certain results, most of us will implement said results.
	But for whatever reason, we compartmentalize relationships and marriage, and we don't look at the best practices of people who are doing relationships, marriage, staying married the longest, thriving, having beautiful families.
	And we compartmentalize, and we always want to be the exception to the rule.
	So me and you, I actually think we're on the same exact page.
	But it's like, yes, I would have loved to met the love of my life at 17 and marry them by 23.
	I didn't.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	I'm not going to marry to marry and then either be unhappy or divorce.
	I don't think anyone's prescribing that.
	I'm saying every moment passing is another chance to turn it all around.
	Like every moment passing.
	Okay, but God created me, right?
	Like, do you think I'm a sin?
	I'm one of God's greatest work.
	We're all God's artwork.
	I'm not like against God.
	I'm Catholic.
	Like, I'm super spiritual.
	I'm super religious.
	I don't think God doesn't like me.
	There's so many things in my life that I know.
	God is with me every single day of my life, and so are all my spirit guides.
	So I think maybe I think we have the same core values.
	Yes, I think we do.
	We really do.
	But what is the ratio?
	The ratio is different.
	Let me just say this.
	Let me just say.
	I think God loves you so much that it's this sort of love where he accepts you right where you are, but desires so much more for you.
	I think it's the way that Adam loves his daughter.
	It's such a love where I love you right where you're at, even when you have a poopy diaper, even when you're making a mess of your house.
	But yet I want more for you.
	And that love is a good thing.
	But that you have to trust that the universe will give you what you need and everything will happen to you when you need it.
	Well, I think especially you being Catholic, like that whole idea of the universe giving you what you want.
	Like you said, you're Catholic, so I'm bringing this up because you said that.
	Like, no, Satan gives you what you want in that moment.
	No, I'm not, I'm completely against Satan.
	Yeah, not forgetting gender liberal.
	Not Hillary Clinton.
	I think the key is like back to the original question is that it's not easy to choose virtue.
	Like what Rusline was saying, like choosing a workout routine, choosing to eat healthy, like that can be difficult.
	But the more you do it, the easier it becomes, actually.
	And there's still hard days, but the more you choose the good, the more you build a habit of virtue of doing the good.
	And so I think that's the same.
	The same is true with relationships and with sex.
	The more you choose to do what is good, like choose to save sex for marriage or choose to not lust or choose to not engage with lustful behavior, like the more you're acclimating yourself to.
	How is me doing something with my boyfriend that I only did something with him that's sacred?
	How is that bad?
	I never did it with anyone else.
	Because sex is sacred in a marriage, not just in a relationship that you're in.
	You had sex before?
	I'm not going to answer that.
	I was engaged before, if that's your question.
	Yeah, I was engaged before.
	So there was a ring.
	There was a commitment.
	There was a ring.
	There was a commitment.
	Let me finish my thoughts.
	We had a commitment too.
	Let me finish my thought.
	And we were together for a long time.
	So did we, though.
	We worked together for a long time and we had a good time.
	But no, to answer, I think what Lila is saying is just that it's a commitment thing within the bounds of marriage.
	And it's the commandments in the Bible and the verses that are there, they're not to like hurt you.
	They're there for protection.
	And I think that's just all you don't have to get defensive.
	I think Lila is just.
	I'm not getting defensive.
	I say I completely agree with you.
	I have a Bible in my house.
	I'm very spiritual.
	I'm very religious.
	I have a very, very good connection with God.
	God loves me no matter what you think.
	I know I don't love you.
	I know, I know, I know.
	So, but like, I think we believe in the same things, but I don't, I think being an accountant is a boring job.
	Just because you don't like my job doesn't mean you should bring it up.
	I don't bring up your job and say I don't like your job.
	Well, we're here to talk about dating and relationships.
	So that's not dating and relationships are right.
	But I'll just say, like, I'll just say, say this: that God does love you.
	He loves me.
	He loves us all so much.
	I totally agree with you on that.
	And these laws about morality on sex and like just all the seven sins you brought up earlier, Brian, there are laws that God gives us.
	Like the Ten Commandments, there's some no's and there's some yeses of what we're supposed to do.
	But it's not crazy.
	It's like, yes, it's a narrow path, but it's doable and people can do it, especially with God's love, right?
	And so the idea is, I want you to be happy.
	You know, I want to be happy.
	Russalan, we all want happiness at this table.
	And the rules, the rules about relationships and sex and marriage, these rules, there aren't a ton of them, but there's basic ones of fidelity and commitment.
	They're to make us happy in the end.
	Like they're not to be a burden for you.
	When have I been infidelity?
	When have I done anything?
	She wasn't talking about you.
	I'm talking generally about the family.
	Which one of the commandments have I broken?
	So can I read you a verse?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so this is Matthew chapter 5, verse 27.
	This is Jesus speaking.
	It's in red.
	He says, You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery.
	But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
	So Jesus is saying, Society says adultery is wrong.
	You guys have heard it said in the law of the commander.
	I've never committed that.
	And he's saying that it's way worse than that.
	He's saying that even if you've lusted in your heart or you've created content that causes other people to lust in your heart, that it's the same as adultery.
	That's what he's saying.
	So he's saying the standard is so much higher than any of us can admit.
	That's why I think this whole like, she's bad because she did this, but Adam had 300 bodies.
	Like, I think it's, we're all jacked up.
	We all need grace and we all need mercy.
	And that's the point of the gospel.
	That's the point of the good news is that Jesus is saying, you can't do it on your own.
	You're incapable.
	That's why you need Jesus.
	That's not what I get from that at all.
	It's saying that I'm saying what it says too.
	If a man lusts elsewhere, that's when he's doing wrong.
	Right.
	I'm not doing wrong.
	Men would lust after me, whether at OnlyBand or I was a lawyer or I was a real estate agent, just because I have nothing to do with me.
	But nothing to do with me.
	Could you run your business?
	Sorry that God made me look this way.
	God made me look like this.
	Could you run your business?
	That has nothing to do with a man lusting after me and their decisions.
	I cannot choose their decisions.
	It's not my fault.
	God made me hot, dude.
	It's not my fucking fault.
	But could you run your business?
	God made me look like this for a reason.
	The point here is because you're saying you're a Christian and you want to follow.
	I'm a Catholic.
	That's a Christian.
	But you're saying, but can you run your business without lust?
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me just think about it.
	Can you have your business without lust?
	Kay Jane.
	What is this?
	Kay Jane.
	What I do with my boyfriend.
	K Jane Karen.
	Sorry if I got your name wrong.
	Thank you for the raid over there on Twitch.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Welcome.
	Welcome, guys.
	Here, just to keep things moving, I do need to get a couple of other of our other chats, and we have Zeke Zeki.
	Brian, can I get a salute to my man?
	Me and my girl love watching your show.
	This episode is incredible when those two girls sharing a brain cell in the corner aren't rambling about libraries ruining humanity.
	Big labia matter based.
	Okay, thank you.
	I heard about your nonprofit.
	That's pretty cool.
	Yeah, I didn't, you know, I didn't mention it today's show, but I do have a non-profit, BLM, Big Labia Matter.
	We're, you know, getting started.
	I've always felt like I was pretty open-minded about the size of the labia, and I thought that was cool to know that you're on the same page as me.
	I'm a fan.
	I'm a fan, which is why I was a little, I was taken aback when you mentioned the Venus flytrap.
	I didn't know if that was, but, but the way you described it, it was much more than just a large situation.
	I've heard, I haven't really heard a lot of girls admit to it, but I've heard that the labia plasty surgery is pretty popular, which I find kind of disturbing.
	There's like 10,000 a year in the U.S. that people get labia place.
	I'm very much against it.
	There are some ugly ones out there, I guess, but like they're all great.
	But it just seems like a strange thing.
	But do you think that's happening because there's so much porn out there, so women are constantly comparing themselves?
	Yeah, no, I mean, probably.
	Well, I mean, one of the arguments is that, like, in, and I think that's changing because, I mean, if you look, there's definitely certain actress, adult actresses that have large labia.
	But in the past, like in with, typically in print, I think back in the 90s, I think there was definitely talk of like airbrushing or they would select women specifically who were not, who had anys, let's say.
	I love my wife's labia.
	Because like, I think it's beautiful.
	If we live in a society where it's, if we live in a society that's like heavy objectification on women's body parts, it's understandable why some women feel so insecure about their body parts.
	And that's, that goes back to the kind of our whole position on sex is just for two people in a forever lifelong commitment.
	Because then you're not comparing.
	You're not constantly comparing your body to somebody else's body.
	It's all artwork.
	We're all God's creation.
	Just because I didn't find my soulmate yet doesn't mean I'm not his piece of art or creation or anything less than that.
	He's probably watching right now.
	He is.
	That's why the power is in the body.
	You are God's work of God.
	I know.
	I know.
	I don't need you to tell me that.
	But that's part of why.
	We're on the same side.
	It's just like, it's not my fault that you got to meet your husband for I did.
	I don't think anyone's saying it's anyone's fault.
	I think we're saying that you are judging my life because I didn't meet my husband as early as you met your wife.
	I don't think that that's what Reslander is.
	It's just a conversation.
	All right.
	I'm actually all in Core Valley.
	We have Flann Life here.
	A. Yo, Raspy.
	Oh, hold on.
	Let me pull it up.
	Hey, yo, Raspy, I still don't understand the ratio.
	Please explain.
	Oh, and I remember my first beer, chill on the alcohol.
	Flan Life is funny.
	Do you have a response to Flan Life?
	If you don't understand ratios, I like literally can't help you.
	Like, you learn ratios in fourth grade.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of wetlands.
	Sounds like a lot of map.
	Oh, did you get through elementary school?
	You can't even pass through middle school without knowing what a ratio is.
	Did you fuckers learn anything in college?
	Okay.
	We have Bendra the Offender to the blondie in the back right.
	Your body count.
	Oh, this one already came through.
	I don't actually apologize.
	I have a body count.
	Thank you.
	Your body is higher than the amount of brain cells you have, and you sound like a small thing.
	I don't vape.
	What do you mean?
	I don't vape.
	I don't smoke.
	No.
	A lot of, actually, a lot of guys think it's a very sexy Raspi voice.
	So I don't really give a fuck.
	Some guys are into the Raspi voice.
	All right, we have Lila should cover up.
	Donated 100 to the blondie.
	Oh, wait, what?
	Wait, what?
	Hold on.
	I don't know why.
	One sec.
	The Christian wears a bunch of makeup, and I can tell what her boobs look like in that shirt.
	She's only a few degrees separated from Lena's fashion scents.
	Cover-up woman.
	How much time does she need to cover up?
	Because you can see her elbows.
	She doesn't even have any cleavage, and she's pregnant, so she probably is a lot if she won a gym.
	I am pregnant.
	Oh, really?
	Congratulations.
	Was I not supposed to say that?
	That's amazing.
	No, it's okay.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	Congrats.
	That was just completely.
	But I appreciate the feedback.
	Lila should cover up.
	You couldn't cover up more, though.
	You're dressed pretty modestly.
	Yeah, that's fucking good.
	All right, well, don't shoot the messenger.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	We have Mount Whateverest.
	Adam 22 out of 100 and his quote-unquote wife are absolutely having a threesome with smoker voice in the blue tonight.
	Confirm or deny, is this the case?
	I've never met that.
	I've opened the door on anything.
	You never know.
	I've never, this is the first time we met, so I don't know.
	Never say never.
	I would be on your podcast if you want to meet me.
	Our podcast is a porn podcast, so we always have sex at the end of it.
	So, okay.
	Only plug talk.
	We've never talked about it.
	We've never talked about it.
	Are you guys?
	Is this something I could avoid?
	It's never been suggested before.
	We might pass her to the team and let them have a review.
	But no, it's kind of funny you say that because I actually was telling her the other day that I think I want to try out this fetish where she actually whispers to me in an RFK junior voice while we're sleeping together.
	And I feel like that might actually help me to achieve erections.
	You know, I'm not getting it.
	So you might be able to pull it off even easier than her.
	Wow.
	TVD, TVD.
	All right, we have him Duncan.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	The girl talking about a ratio.
	Average dudes would F anything.
	It ain't no flex.
	Adam, would you really have done a threesome with Tate?
	Also, Brian is Natch coming on in the future.
	Not sure about, I still need to look into this Natch guy.
	I'll check it out.
	Adam, would you do a threesome with Andrew Tate?
	Well, for the sheer virality of it, if he was willing to participate in a pornography movie and allow us to release it, I don't know how we would turn that down.
	Sorry.
	If we could get the model release form, yeah, that'd be nice.
	Yeah, but generally speaking, you know, us going outside of our relationship is pretty much reserved just for, you know, adult performers, since it is like a content thing.
	But if Andrew wanted to enter the game with us, I could be open to that.
	Where do you draw the line with this stuff?
	Like, honestly, it seems like you've opened Pandora's box.
	And I mean, I know you're joking, kind of trolling about this stuff, but are you, you guys talking like penetration and you?
	Like, where is this going?
	No, I've only slept with one other guy besides him, and it was like two months ago.
	It's not like that.
	But you guys are like very open-minded about all this stuff.
	But we haven't even planned the next thing.
	Okay, but you want to do it with another dude in the thing.
	That is something that we both want to do.
	Doing your first in porn is like a big thing.
	It's like a lot of people.
	I just think it's hot.
	Like realistically, you think it's hot.
	We did it actually once in our personal life.
	First couple weeks or whatever, we were at a party and we ended up hooking up with my friend.
	My friend ended up hitting it with me.
	That doesn't feel slightly.
	Well, once I started dating her and we fell in love, it was kind of like, oh my God, I can't believe I let my friend fuck you that one night.
	While other people were watching us.
	Yeah, but then once we really kind of accepted our love, it was not a big deal.
	But yeah, like he was always turned on when we talk about it.
	So I was like, okay, clearly you're having like a physical response to this.
	I just wired.
	I grew up running trains on chicks with my friends and then it kind of became weird to like end up in a relationship with a girl that I essentially kind of did that with in the early days.
	It was a threesome.
	Yeah, it was a threesome.
	But still, you know, it's like you kind of like, even if you like doing that, if you can get down and running the train, which like a huge percentage of dudes that I know, at some point when they were younger, they did that.
	But then like, you know, you just don't wife up a girl like that, right?
	Well, I'm proven that you can and you should.
	What?
	You guys have a daughter?
	Is that right?
	So I've got two sons.
	I hope we have a daughter.
	We'll see what God does.
	But I'll see.
	But what do you think for your daughter?
	Like, do you, would you want your daughter to go down the path you've gone down with porn?
	No.
	Why is that?
	Because I feel like she should choose whatever, you know, career or pursuit she wants to pursue.
	If she found herself as an adult one day, having explored a variety of different options and that was what she ultimately wanted to do, it wouldn't really be my choice at that point.
	But for sure, I would rather her pursue, you know, art or music or but like a lot of daughters like admire their mothers and want to be like their mothers.
	So let's say she's 17, about to turn 18, and she's like, I want to be like my mom.
	Like she's successful.
	My dad seems to really love her and is committed to her.
	I want to do porn.
	How would that make you feel?
	I mean, I would want her to do it in the safest way possible.
	And I would want to make sure that I could help her if she needed that help.
	But I'd like Adam, like I would rather her do something else.
	Like when I got into porn, I had already had a degree.
	I'd had multiple different jobs and I was super broke.
	And I like, this wasn't my first choice, but I was like, okay, I'm just going to take photos and then I'll have the freedom to do whatever else I want with my life.
	And that is how it started.
	And then we started dating and we just, we were already like making porn in our personal life.
	Like we'd fuck and then we'd film it and it was kind of just like if there's nothing wrong with porn, why would you want her to do other things first?
	Why would you have any issue at all with her going into it?
	I just think that it's kind of limiting for the future of your life afterwards.
	You know, like we don't really have any doubt about the fact that her degree would be kind of useless to her at this point in terms of getting into another career.
	And you see girls dealing with that all the time.
	I just don't think that it's like necessarily a good thing for a girl to get into because she's 18 and she doesn't feel like getting a job.
	Like it just is not, you know, like the reason why me and her got into it is legitimately because, well, especially in her case, I mean, she had a super normal, regular job and she just wanted to achieve some degree of financial freedom and to be able to do what she wanted with her time.
	And, you know, I got into it not really necessarily having to do it, but just because I wanted to, you know, make content with her and we enjoy it.
	But like porn aside, if my daughter was like wanted to explore her sexuality, like I don't think that's a bad thing.
	Like I don't think that's unethical.
	But you just, you guys just both acknowledge you wouldn't want your daughter to do that.
	It wouldn't be my ideal choice.
	But isn't that a bit inconsistent though that creates something that you wouldn't want your offspring?
	Like we want our kids to be better than us.
	So why would you want them to do that?
	Like if they're aspiring for you?
	I feel like what I'm doing allows my daughter to have a better life.
	Like I'm able to, we're going to be able to like put her through private school because I have the life that I have now.
	Like I wouldn't have been able to give her that without that.
	My dad was a social worker, and for sure, he wanted me to be something bigger and better than a social worker.
	You know, it's like you always want your kid to do better than you would want to do.
	You know, I would love if my daughter was some famed artist or something.
	That would be amazing.
	Do I necessarily think that that's in the cards?
	I mean, that's kind of a roll of the dice.
	You never know what your kid's going to get.
	How much is enough, like financially?
	Like, at what point does it just like you?
	I feel like you guys intrinsically know this isn't helpful.
	No, I think it's as long as you're having fun.
	Like, whenever we go and every day, it's like it's basically just like it's fun.
	Like, I look at my calendar and we're hooking up with a couple of chicks that day, and I'm like, oh, wow, what a great Wednesday.
	It's like very profitable.
	If it didn't feel good anymore, like, there are times.
	Hey, meth feels good.
	Like, sometimes we have more sex on camera than we do off-camera.
	And those weeks, I don't feel like as connected to him.
	I'm like, wow, we've just been working so much.
	Like, I don't feel like we've been fostering our relationship.
	And in those weeks, if like we didn't take that break and that pause and talk about it and reconnect, then I could see myself being like, I don't want to do this anymore because it's interfering with our relationship.
	And meth does feel good, but the downside of meth is much worse.
	Do you think there's anything actually done it?
	It's not that great.
	Whereas the downside of having a threesome with some girl on camera is that at the end of the money, you get a bunch of money in the mail.
	So to me, it's very different.
	You guys don't know potential consequences down the road.
	I mean, we've been doing it for a long time, and I wouldn't really say that we've encountered many negative consequences from it.
	There's a bunch of fun and cash.
	Hold on, I do have to move on from this.
	All right, we have.
	No, it's fine.
	So, Puffy Vegas, this is the truth because I had no clue that nine inches was something different.
	I'm not lying at this.
	This is no BS.
	Women will tell you the size.
	I didn't even know that I was different high school.
	Okay.
	We have another one from Puffy.
	The threshold of 500.
	I think this is 500.
	I want Adam 22's wife to rape me.
	All right, Puffy, I'll take you a favor.
	We'll do you a favor.
	But do we know how old he is?
	I'm not sure, Puffy.
	I don't really want to comment on him without a double.
	If he has $500, he's probably of age.
	But I also want to say that, like, he's saying that his penis is nine inches long and he never thought it was anything special.
	I'm sorry.
	If you watch porn and you're seeing a lot of penises that are far shorter than nine inches, doesn't that stand out to you that maybe you are a little bit more?
	I'm not watching porn.
	Well, that would be why the hell is it?
	Because we've met men in the adult industry who said the same exact thing to us in person.
	Like, I didn't know that I had a big dick.
	That is trivial.
	Do you have it ready?
	Yep.
	Oh, we'll close.
	You got to close that out.
	What was that?
	It's just like a search tab or something.
	You got it?
	Just reload the page.
	You got it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	This is Puffy Vegas.
	Scroll down.
	Jeez, you post a lot, buddy.
	Hold on.
	That's not that surprising.
	Let's scroll down.
	Why is there like all girls on his page?
	I'm so excited.
	That is very good.
	You would have to pause and pull up that one.
	I feel like a lot of people switch us over.
	That's like average for a black dude.
	Can you switch us over?
	Nine is small.
	Pull up the photo and switch us over.
	Like the cameras.
	Wait, what?
	This guy just hangs out in Vegas on the street.
	No, X out of that.
	Get out of that.
	Ah, geez.
	Okay.
	Wasn't really attracted to him.
	Is that all I was supposed to say?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Be on the wiener, though.
	All right, we have Martin.
	Thank you for the 100 man.
	Appreciate it.
	Blondie, you're so annoying that you're making corn stars uncomfortable.
	You said you're hot.
	You're a four if you don't speak.
	Thank you.
	Non-stop interruptions and screaming into the mic a two.
	Also, I enjoy leftists' alternative lifestyles.
	Please stay in California.
	I'm sure we'll all turn them.
	I live in Miami.
	I live in a Red State.
	Well, there you have it, Mark Wavius.
	She lives in I don't live in LA.
	Do you have a rating for Puffy, by the way?
	And do you want to give him like on a 1 to 10?
	Like a four.
	All right, Puffy, you asked for it.
	There you have it.
	Good.
	Almost like 50%.
	We have Brandon Mels here.
	The viewers would rather see me be quiet on the podcast again more than listening to Miss Raspi any longer.
	Holy crap.
	Also, hi, Lila.
	I'm a big fan.
	Thank you, man.
	We have another one here from Mr. Doc Vanabilis.
	Hold on, waiting for that to clear.
	That might come through twice.
	One sec.
	Doc Vanabilis, Lila, you are a gem.
	Unfortunately, trying to convince the S workers about monogamy is like trying to sell an alcoholic on sobriety.
	It will take a miracle, so keep at it.
	Can I say something?
	I'm a monogamous.
	Like, I only have done this ever with my own boyfriend.
	Like, I'm Republican.
	I'm not into sleeping around with people that aren't my boyfriend.
	If I have a boyfriend or my boyfriend, fucking girls aren't my boyfriend.
	That's not what it was about.
	What was it about?
	He said the corn stars.
	But he said the blonde and the right.
	I think the point is so much.
	I think he's talking to me.
	The point about monogamy is more about marriage in terms of your body is sacred and beautiful and reserved for someone else.
	And that would include not just actual sex acts, but it would include showing your body pornography or sending sexual videos or things like that to anyone else outside of the marriage.
	And I think monogamy, the research proves that people who are sexually intimate before marriage are more likely to divorce.
	If you look at like marriage, all girls being naked, and then like the history, the research is all like COVID being real, which wasn't even real.
	Oh, God, bro, shut up.
	Okay, that's going to get us in trouble.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I mean, it's not, it's not.
	Me and you have the same core values.
	We're just at a disagreement of we don't see it the same way.
	Well, I think that that would be different core values.
	No, it's not because who did you vote for?
	We just move on.
	I don't think it has to do with who we vote.
	Because we voted for the same person.
	So you guys don't have same values because you believe in someone else.
	So she just doesn't understand what I'm saying.
	There's a difference.
	There's politics and core values.
	There's a huge difference.
	You can vote.
	You can be Republican and not have traditional core values.
	I do.
	But you don't have traditional core values.
	You don't know.
	I do know that because you do OnlyFans.
	That doesn't make you have traditional core values.
	That's not what you could be a Republican.
	I'm not judging you based on your job.
	I don't do OnlyFans.
	I'm not judging you based on your job.
	I'm judging your job doesn't make you a traditional OnlyFans doesn't make you traditional.
	And here's the thing: like, I can never judge anything.
	I can never and I would never judge your heart because I only God can see the heart.
	But what we're talking about is actions and dating and relationships.
	That's what this podcast is about.
	And the point we're trying to make here is that pornography at large has been a menace to society.
	It leads to a lot of people.
	I don't consider maize loving.
	Let me just finish for a second.
	It leads to divorce.
	It leads to addiction.
	It has led to the proliferation of a lot of sexual brokenness and deviancy, broken relationships.
	And so part of the message is like, let's be the change we want to see out there in the world.
	And I want happiness for you.
	I want you to have that marriage you dream of.
	I think that many people want that.
	And the way the path to that, I believe, is pursuing virtue and love.
	And that's a choice that includes self-control in not just how we behave with other people, but how we make money.
	Because if we're making money through selling pictures of our bodies to incite blessed in other people, that's going to ultimately, I don't think, set you up for happiness.
	And I want you to be happy.
	I want you to have that future marriage that you desire.
	Well, I'm sorry that you don't think I'm a happy person.
	Well, I think what you're saying is you want to be married.
	Yeah, because you said you want me to be happy.
	She's just giving you like motherly advice.
	I understand that, but like, I'm going to listen to God and I'm going to follow my own path.
	And that doesn't have to have anything to do with your path.
	But that doesn't mean I don't have a spiritual connection with God.
	I know that I'm not a spiritual connection.
	But like, you're debating me because of like, oh, I hope happiness for you in the future.
	Like, I'm good.
	Well, I think you want to get married.
	We're on different paths, though.
	We're on different paths.
	It doesn't mean that I'm not a child of God or I don't pray or I don't have connection with God.
	Of course, you're a child of God.
	I'm a little bit judgmental.
	Yeah, of course, you're a child of God.
	I'm just speaking to, I think what you're saying is you desire marriage, right?
	But I will not settle for marriage.
	That's the thing.
	No, and I don't care if it happens tomorrow at 47, as long as I'm happy in the long run.
	And it's not about what I'm doing.
	It's on my path that God put me on.
	And you are on a completely different path that God put you on.
	Christy, I don't think anyone's saying any of the stuff you think we're saying about you.
	God speaks through people.
	It's possible God may be trying to speak to you through Lila, who's married with kids.
	You said that's something you desire.
	And I think you're doing a lot of projecting of what you think we're saying, and we're not saying 95% of what you think we're saying.
	I actually think the opposite.
	I think she's just kind of coming from.
	You guys are projecting on me.
	Yeah.
	I think everyone just has their own opinion.
	I think we have all the same beliefs.
	I think you're projecting on me because Jesus loves you.
	Can we just say that?
	I think Lila, just coming from a place, like she desires marriage, you desire marriage.
	And I think she's just giving you like motherly sound advice.
	I don't think anyone here is like attacking you.
	No, and I don't think Christy thinks anyone's attacking her.
	Everyone has their own spiritual path, and she's my best friend.
	Like I know what she wants.
	We meditate together.
	We talk about God together.
	Like everyone's on their own path.
	And it's true.
	And I think like you're kind of projecting your path on me.
	And my path is completely different than that.
	That doesn't mean I don't have a godly perspective or connection or anything.
	I have a question.
	I've got a question for you two.
	Maybe you three.
	Is it a sin to shoot porn?
	Is it a sin?
	Yes, it is.
	Which commandment is sins?
	I just sins.
	Wait, wait.
	Well, sins can be forgiven.
	You just go to church.
	Of course they can be forgiven.
	Thank God for that because I'm a sinner.
	I actually don't think it's a sin.
	I'm just shooting a reality show with my boyfriend that people are saying.
	By reality show, do you mean like porn?
	Like what do you people are paying to see what me and my boyfriend, he's now my ex-boyfriend, but me and my boyfriend are doing behind closed doors.
	People are going to pay.
	People pay for the dumbest fucking things ever.
	But that's porn.
	That's not reality TV.
	So the reason for that.
	It's the reality of my life.
	And if people want to pay to see the reality of my life, I don't care.
	The question is, is it a sin?
	Yes, it's asked.
	And sins can all be forgiven.
	Of course.
	Yeah, but don't you need to like, if you're trying to be a godly person, don't you need to make an effort?
	No, no, no, but if you're how am I sinning if I'm only hooking up with one man and we're talking about my God.
	Let me just explain because I think it can be maybe confusing, especially our society is so pornified and like sexual objectification is everywhere.
	It's in advertisements.
	It's in movies.
	It's everywhere.
	But the reason porn is looking at porn or making porn is a sin is because of lust.
	And you're either in your life.
	I'm not in porn.
	I'm in.
	Let me just finish really quick.
	And you're either intentionally creating content to get someone to masturbate and lust or you are doing the masturbating and lusting.
	They're already doing that.
	The reality is, like, the design, like God's design, is that sex is for unity and procreation.
	It's for unity between two people to be emotionally bonded, parabonded, in love, connected.
	And then, in addition, to be able to bring life into the world because sex can do that.
	And one of the reasons, you know, Russian kind of mentioned this earlier a little bit, but one of the reasons, this hasn't been, the statistic hasn't been shared yet at this table, but there's 2,500 abortions a day in this country.
	The reason we have this sky-high number is that I've never had a stare in my life.
	The reason we have this sky-high number is because people don't take sex seriously enough.
	They think sex is just like a recreational thing they'll do.
	It doesn't have to do with commitment in marriage.
	And so people get pregnant because they're having sex when they're not committed, and then they choose abortion.
	So it has all these things.
	That's not what I'm doing.
	All these other problems.
	That's not what I'm doing at all.
	Porn is a sin the way cocaine is drugs.
	The cocoa leaf is not a drug.
	They used a cocoa leaf in South America.
	You can make tea with it.
	The moment you take it and you add all the gasoline and all the other junk to make it cocaine, that's the moment it becomes a sin.
	And I think comparing porn to drugs totally makes sense because it's like, I've been able to be a person throughout most of my life where I could have a couple drinks and I just don't have this like strained relationship with alcohol.
	I've also gone through periods of time where I was getting drunk every weekend and it was clearly having a very negative impact on my life.
	And I have friends who've died or, you know, ended up in the hospital and stuff from doing drugs.
	Myself, masturbation to porn in my life is something that I've never really struggled with in any way.
	I've always had this like completely kind of take it or leave it attitude.
	I've never like yearned to be seeing it when I didn't have access to it or anything like that.
	But I have known people throughout my life who clearly had some kind of weird relationship with porn where they needed to see it on some kind of consistent basis.
	So it is hard for me to imagine somebody having a sort of like unhealthy relationship with it.
	But I smoke weed.
	I know people who've basically kind of ruined their life because of smoking weed.
	I know people who've ruined their life because of alcohol.
	And so I don't doubt that there are people that have terrible consequences from porn.
	It's just, I don't think that porn is necessarily the problem.
	The problem is people with mental illness or with some kind of hole that they are trying to fill through porn.
	And obviously that alone is not going to help people to stop their addiction to porn.
	It's just like anything you make, if it's good enough, whether it's Coke or porn, it's like it has the potential to take over somebody's life.
	Myself personally, I don't really see that as being something that's so common.
	We go to these porn conventions and we meet a couple hundred porn fans.
	And I mean, are there weird ones?
	Sure, sometimes.
	But for the most part, they seem like kind of regular guys that I don't think would seem that different than if you went to like a comic book convention or a baseball card convention.
	These are just guys who are super into this one thing.
	Sure.
	We're going to move away from this.
	Wait, can I say one thing?
	No.
	We're going to move away from the cost of the pain.
	Can she say one thing then?
	Because she isn't really gotten to see.
	Is it the same thing you were going to say?
	No.
	That she can't say.
	But people ruin their life by having kids and getting married with the wrong people also.
	That was beautiful.
	What kind of word do you have?
	No, I will say with the abortion context, I feel like sometimes you could be in a very committed relationship and it's just maybe you don't have the funds or it's just not the right time.
	Wait, hold on.
	Are you both conservative?
	Yeah.
	Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
	I'm pro-life.
	Yeah, but it depends.
	What do you mean that you're either pro-choice?
	So you're pro-choice?
	I'm pro-life.
	I've never been in a pregnancy scare.
	i've never had an abortion yeah but you were saying i feel like it depends if you're in like an abusive relationship The people getting divorced.
	You also are married and thriving.
	No, but you were making a financial.
	There are people who are married and thriving.
	They're the outliers.
	They're the outliers.
	She's not dying.
	Hold on, hold on.
	You were saying that.
	Well, a lot of things happen.
	I agree with you that there's a lot of people.
	But a lot of times it's also women who already have children and they just can't take on the most of them are single moms who are really struggling.
	I'm saying people in this context.
	In a covenantal marriage aren't getting it.
	I think there's never a context where it's okay to kill an innocent child.
	Never.
	No matter, like if you have an abusive partner, usually it's the abusive partner that wants to kill the baby.
	Actually, a lot of abortions are coerced when there is an abusive partner, statistically.
	But the reality is, no matter your circumstances, if you're with an abusive partner, if you're, you know, you don't like the guy at all, that doesn't justify taking the life of an innocent baby.
	I never said it did.
	Well, continue with your point.
	You were saying what?
	I mean, I'm very conservative.
	I've had opposite views on this kind of stuff, but I've also been in a very abusive relationship where...
	Well, let's not shift the goalposts.
	You were saying you were saying if people were financially, they weren't in a good position.
	Do you feel that that would be a circumstance under which abortion is acceptable?
	When they can't afford to have a child.
	you mentioned something about finances like if someone's not in a good financial position yeah you and you said that they don't have insurance they don't have a job but But yeah, under those circumstances, do you feel that that's an appropriate, like a good reason to get an abortion?
	I do.
	If you can't afford to give this away, you're necessarily, you're not pro-life.
	That's pro-choice.
	Well, that's a pro-choice position.
	And there's two things with that pro-choice position.
	Like, first of all, if you're really struggling, a lot of people are struggling, right?
	And they get pregnant, they're like, what do I do?
	First of all, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of families that really want to adopt and they can't because they're on these long waiting lists to adopt.
	Second of all, there are resources that a lot of people don't even know about, which is so sad, right?
	That people don't know about them.
	There are thousands of pregnancy resource centers in this country that offer free care, prenatal care, care for after the baby's born, help with housing, help with financial assistance.
	So I think the pro-life message is there's always a way.
	You know, there's always a way to do that.
	This is not even a good failure for the moment.
	I'm not me.
	And like, I didn't talk about this.
	Well, I'm kind of trying to look at your friend, but I apologize.
	I'm not trying to look necessarily at you.
	I'm just looking in the direction of the body.
	Let's see.
	We didn't really.
	But there's always a way.
	There's always a way to choose life.
	Sure.
	We didn't finish off on the body count conversation.
	Or did you have something?
	We know.
	I thought we were talking about the sin?
	I thought that was the last question.
	I'm feeling so sad.
	Oh, I think we maybe completely don't have to fall from it.
	So I think we just really quick around the table once more.
	Just maybe even show of hands.
	Does body count matter?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Praise you.
	I mean, it matters in some sense.
	I don't know why it's not.
	It's so hard to understand.
	I have to kind of halfway raise my hand because I definitely see the context in which it matters that it seems like as a guy, you could withdraw some kind of conclusion based on the number of sex partners.
	I would just say I'm much more open-minded.
	Now, if I met you and you told me I have 3,800 sex partners, then okay.
	Body count definitely seems like it matters if you have some astronomical number, but I've never cared about you.
	I mean, personally, I don't think you should have, but I also would understand if a girl was going to judge me, if I met you in a bar in another world in which we weren't both married and you said, oh, you have 600 sex partners.
	I don't want anything to do with you.
	I was like, oh, okay.
	I totally get that.
	Wait, in another universe, are we shipping them and Lila?
	Whoa, in another universe.
	And just another universe.
	Just to clarify, too, I do think body count matters with the clarification that I believe, like what you were saying a lot, Christy, about God's love.
	I do think that in God's universe, when we say sorry sincerely for our sin, and I'm a Catholic, so you go to confession, you sincerely say sorry for your sin, you say, I'm not going to do this again, and you commit to that.
	Your sin is wiped away.
	So even if you've had a thousand sexual partners to God, he can wipe you clean because that's the power of God's grace and his love.
	Jesus Christ's death on the cross is wiping away any sin.
	So I think that's an important clarification in the conversation of does body count matter?
	There's a spiritual reality that's so beautiful because no matter what you've done, you can change and you can be redeemed.
	And that's incredible.
	That's saving grace for me personally.
	It's saving grace for everybody at this table.
	And just one caveat.
	Everything she said is spot on, but I would just say the only caveat is sometimes we don't get to choose the consequences.
	And sometimes you can make bad decisions, give your life to Jesus, and then there's still consequences.
	I'm not giving my life to Jesus.
	It's just because I'm an OnlyFans model.
	I just want to.
	I have to ask this on behalf of the chat.
	Is it true that you were arrested for attacking a police officer?
	No, it's not true.
	That is kind of weird that they made that up then.
	Okay, so there actually was like a whole Google thing about it because I'm a Trump supporter and I actually had multiple Trump flags out on my balcony in Nashville.
	Not very conservative.
	Not really back in the blue when you beat up a cop.
	I didn't.
	And if you actually look, I don't have anything on my record, but there was an article written about me about that.
	But it was a lie?
	Yeah, I don't have any charges against me.
	I don't, my recognition is that.
	Well, that doesn't mean you didn't do it.
	That means you got out of it.
	No, I didn't do it.
	I don't believe it.
	I backed the blue.
	It just means.
	She's not 53 years old.
	Somebody just said that.
	She backed the blue.
	Yeah, I mean, like, this is the thing.
	Like, people make up a lot of things.
	Like, you guys don't even think I'm like a conservative, traditional person.
	Don't worry about it.
	Okay, so controversy is not a bad thing, but I know who I am.
	I'm 33.
	I'm pretty sure I'm not 53.
	I see a 67 in there.
	Yeah, I mean, if I were 67, I'd be like, hell.
	Yeah, I look good.
	I mean, like, that would be a compliment if I was 67.
	Yeah, 53.
	Okay.
	Thank you for thinking I look like that.
	Do you think should body count?
	Does body count matter?
	It's about the ratio, Brian.
	She said that so many times.
	Why are you asking her that?
	If you date a celebrity or a reality TV star or someone that's like a big deal, their body count is going to be higher naturally because they had opportunities.
	But then if you date like a regular random person from Wyoming, their body count and opportunities are so different.
	So no, body count does not matter because ratio matters.
	I don't understand why you guys don't understand math here.
	Don't ask again.
	Yeah, don't ask me again because it's like literally common sense.
	No, but okay, excluding the whole ratio thing.
	It depends on who you are and what opportunities you've had in your life.
	What about you?
	Are you also on the ratio?
	You do.
	No.
	No, the number thing doesn't matter to me.
	The body count?
	Or the body count.
	Like ratio.
	Okay.
	Stop.
	Madison.
	Yeah, I think it matters.
	I completely understand why it matters to a lot of people.
	So does everyone go and like keep a journal count every time they sleep with somebody, like write it in their journal?
	I think if you have a count in your head.
	I think if you're not being promiscuous and sleeping with people, you don't really know what it is.
	So if someone asks me, I think it might just mean you are not enough to have that many opportunities to have sex.
	I can't hear what you're saying.
	So if someone asked you on a first date what your body count was, would you be offended?
	Or would you think it's a totally normal way to get to know each other?
	I feel like it depends, honestly.
	Like I feel like I've never been asked that.
	I think, I don't know.
	I mean, I feel like it's a weird question if you don't have a commitment to each other yet.
	Yeah, I don't think it's something that you should just be randomly asking strangers on a first date.
	I think once there's like an established relationship, a connection, I think it's someone maybe in your space, like it matters a lot.
	So then wouldn't you want to know like right away?
	So, wouldn't it be like a perfect vetting question?
	I would ask pretty quick.
	Yeah.
	Me personally, yeah.
	First of all, and what number are you like, fuck out of here?
	I'm leaving.
	I suppose it depends how old they are.
	If they're older, then it's kind of a bit more 25.
	Because that's that's the whole ratio thing.
	Oh, my God.
	And I don't know why you don't understand that.
	Yeah, no.
	No, we get it.
	The lower, the better.
	The lower, the better.
	Could it be more older than the ratios?
	We all intrinsically know it matters.
	I think trying to pretend like it doesn't matter.
	I don't think you know my body count after all this time.
	You know, but speaking.
	I know, but like, we just haven't talked about it.
	We've never this is a whatever exclusive.
	No, he's always like, I don't want to know.
	And I'm like, whatever, okay.
	Because I said, because it matters if it gets fully.
	No, no, no, no, I think you actually did tell me a long time ago, you just don't remember telling me it definitely matters.
	We can have that conversation later.
	And it matters because our bodies aren't just like orifices for orgasm.
	Our bodies are sacred and our spirits are connected to our bodies.
	And so we are human beings, not just animals.
	And that's why the body count matters because people intrinsically know that.
	But I can give you a situation in my life in which body count definitely mattered.
	It was like, I think I was probably 26 and I was dating this girl who was like 22.
	And I knew for a fact that she had dated the same guy from like 15 to 19.
	So she had only been like really, she had had one body her whole life up until she, like, you know, two years.
	So like, then she one day just mentioned that she had fucked like 40 dudes or some shit.
	And I just immediately was like, oh my God, that's like two a month for the entirety of your sexual career besides this long boyfriend phase you were in.
	So I definitely felt like I gleaned some information about how she was living before she started dating me.
	That number definitely made me think that she was giving it out a little too loosey-goosey, to be honest.
	Yeah, so I see where you guys are.
	Wait, Adams.
	I've had some long relationships.
	I'm not like fucking everyone around.
	So what if she was making tons of money each time she did that?
	Would that have been okay with you?
	Oh, I mean, if she was a porn star, for sure.
	Like, we know porn girls who are.
	You've dated strippers and porn stars.
	So, I mean, I feel like it's like in some context it matters.
	I mean, we know girls who are 21 because that's the thing.
	When you do porn, you end up fucking the same 10, 20 dudes over and over and over.
	But just to clarify, I'm trying to understand like your worldview on this.
	If you're making, it makes you hold.
	Let's move away from let's move away from porn.
	Can I ask one question?
	It's gonna be in answering.
	Look, Adam can see it differently.
	I think it matters a lot.
	Adam, what's your body count?
	Like 600-ish?
	600-ish?
	Okay.
	All right.
	You don't want to share, correct?
	I would share, but he would tell me not to.
	Oh, many dozens.
	You would share, but Adam would advise me not to, and Adam would probably be mad.
	I told her a long time ago.
	I'm like, don't ever tell anyone your exact number just because it's just.
	I don't even think it's that high.
	No, is range acceptable?
	Less than 100 or something.
	All right, there you go.
	Mine's probably.
	I'm 33.
	I'm single.
	Mine's probably around 22.
	Around 22?
	I think it's a pretty low number.
	And I think that's a good idea.
	If I met you and that was your age and body count, I would be like, no, that's super low.
	That's actually very low from my perspective.
	Exactly.
	I think everyone gets an under.
	It is the count.
	I'm not trying to get out.
	Everyone doesn't get that I'm around.
	That's what I'm doing.
	And then I date people, and then I don't fuck around just because I have a job.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No comment.
	Okay.
	Is it?
	I don't.
	Range.
	Do you want to do range?
	She wants to do ratio.
	She's in an age.
	She doesn't want any rats.
	I don't know.
	You said you lost track.
	I don't keep track of that.
	I don't know.
	But so you lost track.
	30-ish.
	Okay, sure.
	Yeah.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	For everybody, I'm gonna get bullied again, but it's eight.
	The eight at 18 is Lila, if you want, she's putting work.
	I mean, it's just my husband.
	It's one.
	Three.
	Just one.
	Okay.
	There you have it, folks.
	A little bit of nervousness on the air.
	We have a chat here from Rippy.
	If two men could have a child, and those two men are RFK and Steve-O, I think we have a rare view on what their daughter looks and sounds like if she was going through a major identity.
	Thank you.
	Who do you think would carry the baby?
	RFK or Steve-Of were to have some sort of gay child.
	Yeah.
	I think Steve-O would probably be the.
	I think you're beautiful, so don't listen to the chat.
	I already know that's why they're chatting about me.
	Well, I don't think it's about appearance.
	I think it's more so to do with the voice.
	I think it's that I'm hot as fuck, and people are haters, and they're hiding behind a screen.
	And I'm probably getting a lot of fans that actually like me and think I'm hot.
	Haters are gonna give fuck.
	Haters are gonna hate.
	There you have it.
	Hi, hater.
	Controversy does not bother me.
	So we have a note here.
	One of it's Bren, right?
	You said in your pre-show information that you sent us that you had a story about something on a highway.
	Can you tell us that story?
	Shoot out.
	That's actually really good.
	Okay.
	So one day I'm driving down literally the highway and I see this guy pull up in the truck next to me and I'm like, oh, he's kind of cute.
	And he's like, call me.
	And the number was on the side of his truck.
	So I'm like, so I'm like, okay, I'm going to call him.
	So I call him and he's like, hey, I think you're cute.
	I'd love to take you out sometime.
	Sure.
	Want to take me out next Tuesday?
	And I was staying with my parents that summer.
	I was on college break.
	So I'm getting ready.
	And my mom comes upstairs.
	She's like, Bren, your date's here to see you.
	And she looks like a little confused.
	I'm like, yeah, my date.
	Like, I'm really excited.
	And I walk outside, and he's a legit midget.
	I believe the correct term is dwarf or little person.
	Okay, I want to know what to say.
	I'm like, what's politically correct?
	Okay, so it was a dwarf.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It was a dwarf.
	Little person.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So.
	You went on the date.
	No, so he like, he's like, I borrowed my brother's sports car for the night.
	And he like pulls all the way, like to touch the brake.
	And he's like, I thought we could go to the beach for the night, which is like 45 minutes away.
	And I'm like, oh.
	To get dinner, right?
	To get dinner.
	How is he going to drive a sports car with his little leg?
	No, he like pulled all the way like.
	Oh, he was all the way up there.
	Yes, all the way up.
	Yeah.
	There's also like things that special pedal expenses.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And like, I just, he's like, all right, we'll go to the beach.
	And I'm like, I can't do this.
	I can't do this.
	So I text all my girlfriends and I'm like, oh my God, you have to like call me and say some kind of emergency happened.
	So she did.
	And I'm like, I'm so sorry.
	Like, so-and-so is in the hospital.
	We got to go home.
	And so you lied.
	I did.
	He took me home.
	But like, haven't you ever been asked out on a date with a guy who say wasn't a dwarf, but like you kind of knew that maybe like you weren't really feeling it, but you just went on the date?
	No.
	I want to waste my time.
	So if a guy asks you out on a date, and then like, I think the polite thing to do would be go on the date, but then just not.
	Yeah, but I didn't want to waste any of our time.
	Well, that's how villains created.
	He could have told the truth.
	He could have said, hey, I'm not into Lil People.
	Bring me on.
	I think he knew from her facial expression.
	Yeah, so then when he dropped me off, he sent me a text and he's like, it happens to me all the time.
	Oh, poor God.
	So, okay, just for clarification, you were driving on the street.
	I was driving, so I couldn't see what he looked like.
	You couldn't tell that he wasn't.
	I couldn't tell that he was like, what, four foot?
	I don't know.
	Couldn't you just, I mean, like, what else were you doing that night?
	Couldn't you have still just gone on the date?
	And even though you had no interest in them, just had like a pleasant.
	Haven't you ever gone on a date with a guy like you?
	She didn't want to lead him on, which is very respectable.
	You didn't want to lead him on.
	I didn't want to lead him on.
	Exactly.
	But I think like the, I don't know, like one trick I've learned is you went before I obviously got married is like if you're not attracted, you just be like, listen, I really appreciate you going, putting yourself out there to ask me out, but I'm just not attracted, you know, but I really wish you the best.
	Yeah, it hurts a little bit, but it's respectful.
	And, you know, in the end, that's I'm just not into it.
	Would you, what, what would you do?
	Let me give you a hypothetical.
	Well, I'm down.
	Like, I'm actually down to date a dwarf.
	So, like, oh, we saw one the other day at Cat's.
	Maybe we could have a bunch of people.
	Back in the day in New York, I'm in a bar and I'm like, I sit down next to this girl and we end up in a full conversation and she seems great.
	We get each other's numbers.
	She invites me over to her house.
	It's pretty obvious that she wants to sleep together because she's invited me over to her house at like three in the morning.
	And so I ride my bike over to her house in the cold and she's sitting downstairs on the stoop in front of her house, in front of her apartment, which I thought was very strange because any normal person would probably want to stay inside as long as possible.
	And I go, she's like, what do you want to do?
	I'm like, you want to go upstairs?
	She says, yes.
	And she has this kind of like walk with her legs are like clearly like not moving properly.
	And like, I guess she, I lurked her Facebook and it seemed like she was in some horrible car accident or something like that.
	But like she clearly thought we were going to sleep together.
	And I don't know, there was just something about her walk that just turned me off so much that I just couldn't do it at all.
	So I've been there before.
	She had a limp?
	She had like, you ever been like, see a girl's like a horrible car accident and her legs are kind of like moving in this like crazy direction.
	And you're going to get canceled, Adam.
	I don't care.
	No, but then what's crazy is that she starts dating some kickboxing champion and I kept seeing him around town and he kept looking at me like he was going to beat the shit out of me and I'm like, are you going to beat me up because I didn't want to fuck your girlfriend?
	I don't know.
	Did you kind of, knowing that she was able to snag that fighter, did you have second thoughts about?
	It did make me think like maybe I was a little too close-minded, but honestly, it just sucked the wind out of the room.
	Like I just, I couldn't, and we were outside, but I just, I could not find myself attracted to her at all.
	It just, I don't know.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Me personally, I think it would have been polite to still have gone on the date, you know?
	Because he drove to come pick you up.
	He got all ready.
	I think it would have been polite to just obviously not, you know, have a polite, platonic conversation with him.
	And obviously you don't have to go on a second date, but it sucks though because that's more leading him on.
	That's more leading him on.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You're just leading him on even more.
	And he wants to go to the beach and have a romantic beach dinner.
	I just want to.
	Once you agree to go on that date, it's like there's going to be a moment of cruelty here, whether it's you rip the band-aids straight off or you do it like really slow, you know, which really sucks.
	And then getting ghosted is even worse.
	You might as well just be honest.
	It's true.
	Didn't you also have a ghosting situation?
	Yeah.
	What was that?
	So I dated my ex for two and a half years.
	And we lived in Atlanta together.
	I was in Nashville for work.
	I came home one weekend.
	He was gone.
	All of his stuff was gone.
	And then his dad reached out to mine to tell me it was over.
	And I haven't heard from him since.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Hi, Brian.
	Oh, his name's Brian with an I or why?
	Why?
	The worst.
	Have you checked on Facebook?
	Like, what he's doing.
	Oh, I didn't mention this.
	He got back together with his ex for the third time.
	That sounds like some shit a guy would do if he found out his, like, that's what I would do if my girl was cheating on me.
	No, she wasn't.
	No, it wasn't.
	The complete opposite.
	Some guys are just cowards and they can't say anything.
	Yeah.
	I would have married him.
	Like, I would have done anything for him.
	And if anything, he might have cheated on her.
	He found it functional.
	No, I swear.
	Like, it was like two days prior to that.
	He's like, I can't wait to marry you.
	And it's like, you know, when you know something's going on, like, I don't know.
	I had an intuition.
	It's very possible, especially if her boyfriend was already seeing the ex, then, yeah, of course, it would have been way easier for him to just cut her off and not say anything.
	Yeah, that's painful.
	I'm sorry.
	It was so painful.
	The worst pain I've ever gone through.
	I had to take leave from work and all that fun stuff, but you're better now.
	It just, it makes you realize what you don't want.
	And yeah.
	We live in such a weird world where people just will like walk away from a situation and not even have the conversation.
	Like the ghosting thing is so common.
	And it's just like, I mean, I kind of like got into a relationship as that was becoming more the norm since we started seeing each other in like 2016.
	But that just is kind of terrible.
	I feel like, if anything, if you want to be a good guy or a good person, always be down to give somebody an exit interview with you.
	I think just being honest, even if it's the worst truth you have to give, is way better than making someone just wonder like a million different things.
	And then his dad to reach out to me and tell you how.
	That is some pussy ass shit.
	A lot of men just avoid that because they don't know how to properly communicate.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like, and especially like firing people.
	I've made this mistake a million times, but if you fire somebody and you really like give them your time and explain to them why this job was not going to work out or why they fucked up so bad that you can't continue to employ them or whatever, it's probably going to go over okay.
	Whereas if you just kind of like let somebody go and don't really tell them what's going on, a lot of times that becomes like the angry ex-employee, you know?
	Mm-hmm.
	Ghosting happens, Brown.
	What, there's more stories?
	That's a good one.
	Here, I'll read these.
	Martin, for Blondie, I'm having terrible difficulty conceptualizing ratios.
	Could you please tell me what is the ratio for a delusional woman who believes she's hot and interesting to the desperate men who lied to her for sex?
	Please feel free to be as scientific.
	Can you ask him to send us a selfie?
	Mark Quavius Markie.
	Because I want to see what he looks like.
	Because he's hiding behind his text messages and behind a screen.
	I don't know if he's down to send a selfie.
	He probably isn't because he's probably super ugly.
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	Wait, okay, so I'm still caught up on this dwarf thing.
	No.
	What if he was- What if he was slangin', like Puffy, Vegas?
	Like, he had a.
	Size doesn't matter, bro.
	He had just a meat cannon.
	No.
	No, no.
	He was a dicksmith.
	Like Adam.
	No.
	Have you guys done anything with the little person?
	I don't know you know.
	No, not yet.
	Although I'm totally open to that.
	People always ask if I'm into the trans thing or if I'm going to go gay.
	The answer is no.
	But the midget or the little person, I could definitely be open to that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	I don't know.
	You could have gone on a date with him.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I think I saved him in the long run.
	I wonder what would have been, like, you could have just told him.
	Was it better to make the whole excuse about the emergency or would it have been better to have just said, I didn't know you were a dwarf?
	I know.
	The moral of the story is don't go on a date with a guy that you meet driving on the highway with a number on the side of his truck.
	I wonder if that's his move because people can't see it.
	It probably is his move.
	Okay, what if you end up going on a date with a girl, like same thing, but she's 400 pounds and you don't realize it from the way she looks in the car?
	I haven't had that happen to me where I showed up to meet a girl off MySpace back in the day and she was massive.
	And I still banged her.
	I just did it anyway because I was like, what else am I doing?
	But for sure, that's a fair point.
	That is a fair point.
	No, yeah, yeah.
	That's why my body count got so high.
	I try to do my due diligence, though, when it comes to, I'm pretty sure I would avoid a catfish scenario.
	Yeah, now, knowing what I know now, it's like, I know exactly what girls are doing to make them look like something different on social media.
	But, you know, 2003, I definitely did not know that.
	But that is a fair point.
	A lot of girls don't look what they look like in the pictures and stuff.
	That is true.
	A lot of filters are being used on dating apps.
	I think it should actually be a crime to use a face filter on dating apps.
	Well, doesn't TikTok suggest it now, too?
	So a girl doesn't even have to seek out a filter.
	It's just right there.
	But it says when a filter is being used.
	Yeah.
	On all the apps.
	But a lot of guys, even the ones who are kind of paying attention, probably don't know that there's like video filters as well.
	So like in general, if you face tune it.
	If you look at a girl's Instagram and it seems like all of her photos have weird effects and like shading and everything looks kind of like blurry or soft, then you're probably getting duped.
	I guess that's kind of similar to like, what about a guy who's wearing a hat to cover up too cool?
	Yes.
	That's all over bumble.
	Hat and sunglasses, that's the worst.
	Holding a fish usually.
	Yeah.
	Or hiking with a deer.
	Like they're always a bald deer.
	But that's like, well, I have a hobby.
	I'm a hunter.
	That's cool.
	And I love masculine.
	That's fine.
	I need a guy with long blonde hair past his shoulders.
	Yes.
	Long blonde hair past his shoulders.
	Very specific.
	She's all about your blonde man.
	I'm actually pretty biblical and I love Jesus.
	They don't think I do.
	Wasn't he an Egyptian?
	I mean, I think there's someone for everyone.
	Yeah.
	That's the hope here for anyone who cares past the shoulders.
	But, like, the sunglasses with hots on Bumble is just...
	And you know what I also don't like is when they pose with a hot friend.
	Wait, do you have Bumble on your phone right now?
	I have Hinge.
	Can I look at your profile on your phone?
	I won't show it to the camera.
	Can I just see the thing?
	I thought we were in an audience.
	I literally just re-downloaded it the other day.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Definitely.
	It's not horrible.
	It's not, yeah.
	Her Wi-Fi has been a little fucked up in her.
	She has to swipe like eight times before she gets to it.
	And then she has to search for it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I've never been on Hinge.
	You're missing out, Adam.
	Yeah, but you guys were in a relationship before Hinge existed.
	You're lucky.
	I was a Tinder guy.
	You're lucky.
	A little bit of bumble in there.
	I'm convinced that dating apps don't work, so prove me wrong.
	Okay.
	Oh, I love that.
	Conservative Christian looking for a life partner.
	When I need advice, I go to Taylor Swift.
	That's an L.
	Oh, my God.
	You just made a friend.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wait, every single photo here on your dating app is either filter and or makeup.
	I don't know.
	Now I'm changing makeup.
	I think makeup's a little bit different.
	I don't think so.
	You brush your hair and put product in it.
	What's that?
	You brush your hair and put product in it.
	This is a little maple syrup.
	It's product.
	I like to put a little maple syrup.
	No, I don't put anything in my hair.
	I just don't shampoo for three years.
	Yeah, it looks probably better.
	Are those not good photos?
	No, but you do have like a filter on every photo.
	Like it's 2013 and you just got Instagram.
	That is pretty good.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with filtering.
	I'm not sure if she's a fan of face master.
	Like her face isn't changing.
	It's just the shade of color.
	No, no, no, no.
	Filters are misrepresentation.
	She's not using filters.
	If you use filters on dating apps, it is her wrong.
	She's not using Facebook.
	You are misrepresenting how you look.
	Really?
	It should not use files.
	I think your profile is fine.
	You need to have at least one photo.
	No, no, no, no.
	I think yours is one of the most real ones.
	Yeah.
	I don't think I look that different.
	No, those filters are OD.
	Nope.
	Needs to be one photo without any makeup or any filter.
	Yeah, because having a bunch of crazy filters and Facetune going on on your Instagram is one thing.
	But as soon as you put that on a dating app, it is kind of like...
	Don't be linked to the socials anyway.
	You should try a little bit harder to be representing what you actually look like.
	Not that you don't look like those photos, it's just like the filters and the FaceTune.
	Let's go.
	You actually tell me I look better than what I look like on my dating apps, even though this trolls don't believe me.
	Do you have a dating app right now?
	Can I look at yours?
	Yeah, but so I'm actually, I have two phones, and I didn't bring my work phone because my purse is so small today, but I'm kicked off of them on this phone.
	But I do have Coffee Meets Bagel on this one.
	You got banned from the dating app?
	You got banned from that?
	Yeah, what were you doing?
	Promoting my OnlyFans.
	There you go.
	So I blocked this whole thing.
	I've heard a lot of girls say they got banned for that.
	But I do have Coffee Meets Bagel, and I actually read it to her.
	It's a dating app that I wasn't doing.
	I'll take a look at it on this.
	Coffee Meets Bagel.
	Take a look.
	I mean my profile is like a little bit aggressive, but like oh, yeah, that's great I'll read it.
	And this was before I had boobs, by the way.
	Oh.
	Wow, that's, I mean, that's a bit misleading.
	Well, that is my picture, though, but I think you should really read what the profile is.
	Maybe fake breasts are a deal breaker for a guy.
	Maybe you shouldn't.
	Maybe they are, but they still break.
	Maybe I did it for myself.
	You don't like them?
	I'm not a fan.
	Damn.
	What if they look really natural?
	I'm not dating you softening your hair.
	I can tell.
	No, but I have plenty of girlfriends where they just look super natural.
	I got these six weeks ago.
	They haven't even dropped.
	I can't even ask any work naturally.
	I don't like them.
	What's that?
	Don't even go into a hot tub right now.
	No, I just don't like it in general.
	I'm not in favor of plastic surgery in general.
	I think you should read what I wrote, not the appearance.
	Both.
	Okay.
	Both, yeah.
	And I'm so fervent.
	I have my non-profit.
	If you lost all your hair, would you get a hair transplant?
	No, I'd probably just go bald.
	I got two of them.
	You say until you've been there, though.
	I'm probably only a few years away from that.
	So, okay, you're a Pilates aficionado.
	Let's go Brandon.
	Okay.
	Obviously.
	I have to weed out the weed game.
	I already knew that was in there.
	I have to weed out the weed game.
	I want to partner in crime to conquer the world with.
	Yeah.
	Who should pay on the first date?
	The man.
	I hate feminism, and I love toxic masculinity.
	In parentheses, talking about toxic masculinity.
	We are not equals.
	We are equality equals.
	Equally the same.
	Okay.
	Men and women have opposite strengths and weaknesses, and that's why together we make a whole.
	She's really weeding out all five girls.
	I am on purpose because I'm not hating a liberal.
	Interesting.
	Or whatever pod.
	Coffee meets bagel.
	Let's see.
	Oh, let me look at the photos.
	Oh, here's the photo.
	Read the rest of it.
	What?
	That's pretty much it.
	I think there's two other questions that I answered on there.
	The one is like, I don't think anything.
	Every single photo on here, it's either face filter and/or makeup.
	And I don't have a dating app.
	But, like, how many girls actually have?
	My hair is blonder though.
	No, exactly.
	They should.
	That's my dog.
	This is my dog, dude.
	That's a good-looking dog.
	That one's not, that's not filtered.
	Are you kidding me?
	Yeah, that's a little misleading.
	This is not.
	She looks like that in person.
	Not exactly.
	She looks like this in person.
	I don't have tits, and my hair is blonder and longer.
	This is not face apt.
	This is with my dog.
	But every single one of those photos is you wearing makeup.
	Can I tell you?
	What girls don't wear makeup in their face?
	You should at least be straight up, though.
	I feel like you're going to hate on me and Austin, whatever.
	Go ahead.
	But straight up, when guys meet me in person, they always tell me that I look better than my photos.
	Do they want to fuck you?
	Yeah, it's because they're trying to fucking.
	Yeah, no, should they want to fuck me?
	Because I'm hotter in real life than in photos.
	No, what they're doing is they're lying to you to get lazy.
	No, they're not.
	Well, that's kind of what I'm saying.
	Bro, you're never going to tell a girl that you think she's unattractive if you're trying to fuck her.
	Yeah, but.
	I mean, I suppose that some guys might employ that story.
	Why would they want to fuck me if I were ugly?
	I mean, like, I know you're not.
	Because we're men.
	I know you used to do it, but I fuck the morbidly obese just because they were there.
	I'm not dating that type of people.
	Oh, yeah, you are.
	You just don't know.
	Maybe not morbid, but I went morbid.
	You're down for more.
	Oh, man.
	I don't know.
	I was just being horny.
	I just did it.
	I don't know.
	It's kind of shameful in retrospect, but I did it.
	I know I look better in real life, so I don't have to worry about that.
	No, look, you can move however you want.
	I just think it's, for example, if every single person was moving, if a guy who was bald, say, if in every single photo he was wearing a hat, I think that would be a good thing.
	I look hotter in real life than this.
	I haven't even updated that.
	Yeah.
	That's like Tim Poole saying, I actually look better without the beanie.
	Was to read literally, like, should your partner share your beliefs?
	Yes.
	My needs to believe in freedom and MAGA with an American flag.
	Like, you didn't read the actual part that matters.
	I read part of it.
	Yeah, but you only read a little bit of it because you didn't want me to look good on my dating app.
	What'd you talk about?
	You didn't want me to look bad because you didn't like my pictures.
	You didn't like my answers, and my answers were real as shit.
	The conversation was.
	My answers are real as shit, dude.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	The conversation was about make.
	We were talking about makeup and plastic surgery.
	The only plastic surgery I've ever had are my boobs that I got six weeks ago.
	I haven't had anything else besides for that.
	That's crazy.
	And yeah, a lot of my boyfriends didn't want me to have them.
	And then I decided to just do whatever the fuck I wanted to do and not care about what they thought.
	And I don't regret it.
	Take that.
	That's Brian.
	I love them, okay?
	All right.
	Wait, so wait, Lemon.
	We were having a little bit of a back and forth there.
	You were kind of questioning my take on plastic surgery.
	I was just curious about if it was like a political or like just a belief you had or if it was like based on the appearance.
	Because I've seen a lot of really natural looking fake breasts, so that's why I was curious.
	I don't think there's.
	What if you fall for a girl and her ass looked really real and then you find out it was fake?
	What do you do then?
	What do you do?
	What?
	Oh, do you have a BBL?
	I have a very subtle BBL, I guess you could say.
	Yeah, he was like, I have fake hair.
	I was like, well, I have a fake ass.
	And my jaw dropped.
	I couldn't believe it.
	So that's why I'm curious.
	Like, what if you fell for her and then you find out?
	I mean, how would I?
	I don't think I fall for a girl without.
	I have a rhino plastic.
	What if you, like, she changed her nose?
	Like, who cares?
	Well, I mean, I think there's degrees to plastic surgery.
	That's why I'm trying to get down to the current.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I think some procedures are more invasive than others.
	I think, for example, like if I had to list it out, I think a BBL is much more invasive than lip fillers, for example.
	Yeah.
	Or like implants are more invasive than lip fillers.
	But is the degree of like, I don't know, invasiveness on the body, is that why you care?
	Or is it because she's trying to make herself appear more sexy and maybe?
	Well, I just, I, I, one, from a purely aesthetic, I don't find it attractive.
	But I'm saying it because, like, there are a lot of girls who are like 110 pounds who actually do have BBLs and you just can't tell.
	I've got a good eye for BBLs.
	But when you think BBL, you're probably thinking like Nicki Minaj BBL.
	You're not thinking of like a very subtle appearance.
	Sure.
	Okay, even a subtle one where it's kind of, yeah, I'm not in favor of it.
	But if you fell in love with a girl and you found out it was fake, but I would know.
	You would not know.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	There's the classic surgery.
	She wouldn't tell me?
	Yeah.
	Why would she tell you, especially in the beginning?
	I didn't tell them for a long time.
	I'm just saying, like, the surgery is getting very, very good.
	I would have to see an example of one of these realistic.
	Okay, I'll show you like a million.
	What if I was on steroids and I never told you?
	Like the liver king.
	It wouldn't like be a deal breaker for us, but like.
	I just think it's a bit of a red flag.
	Let me just finish my point.
	Look, no, that's good for you.
	Live your life.
	Just me personally, in terms of my personal preferences, I have a very strong preference for women who don't have any sort of cosmetic surgery.
	And that's fair.
	And there's a sliding scale.
	You might not know.
	But like...
	Eh...
	I mean, fake tits, I've got a good idea.
	Fake tits is one thing, and there's like, you know, you can feel it.
	But there's a lot of surgeries that you can't tell.
	I don't know.
	It's just like, I don't want to date a girl who has acted upon body dysmorphia.
	Okay.
	Is a mommy makeover body dysmorphia?
	What do you mean?
	Like, you know, you have like a diastasis recti, so all your abs separated.
	So then you needed a tummy tuck to put them back together.
	Oh, but I mean, I'm not familiar with that procedure, but perhaps there's...
	It's aesthetic still, but it's also like...
	There might be some functionality there.
	I don't know.
	But like, let's take a woman who's never had kids.
	Well, I don't think I would ever date a single mom, so there's that.
	Okay.
	It's all right.
	It's all right.
	But like, okay.
	Maybe this is going to sound like kind of cringy or simpy or whatever, but I think women are just beautiful as they are, however they've manifested.
	So I think they're just beautiful without the need to undergo potentially dangerous, expensive, and unnecessary cosmetic surgery.
	And in my view, I think it actually makes a lot of women look worse.
	And, you know, obviously I think you should take good care of yourself, fitness, diet, hygiene, et cetera.
	But for example, like, let's say a girl who's just totally flat had no boobs.
	I would prefer that than her with like perfect, big, fake tits.
	Same with BBL.
	But, you know, I went 33 years of life like that, and I was like, you know what?
	I'm going to actually just do what I want to do.
	And I'm not trying to attract a guy like you, so it doesn't matter.
	I'm not saying this to take shots at you.
	I'm just talking about my preferences.
	And I'm talking about mine.
	What if she has like breathing problems, so then she had to get like a rhinoplasty?
	Well, I think that's actually I have a deviated septum and I got, you know.
	What if she has a penis and she has to get it removed?
	And also that's a strong no-go.
	No, I think functionally, if you're having breathing issues, I think that's totally fine.
	And if maybe if she kind of aesthetically fixes it along the way, fine, whatever.
	Rhinoplasty isn't a big thing, but like fake tits, BBL, lipo, labia plasty, that's a.
	How many girls do you actually know who have labia plasty?
	But this is the thing.
	It's because you have many times said that you don't like a big bodybuilder looking ass dude and you don't like a guy who looks like he puts too much time and effort into his body, which a lot of girls will say that they prefer kind of like a dad bod to a guy who looks like a UFC fighter or a bodybuilder.
	Why can't, like, it's kind of almost like the same thing, right?
	It's like, you don't want a guy who looks like he's like spending all this time.
	He's kind of saying the same thing.
	He doesn't, he's not attracted to a girl who's gone through these procedures to look beautiful.
	He's saying he would never be with a girl like that and he would know right away.
	Like if I fell for a guy who had that like 5% body fat steroid look, then I would just be like, all right, well, I'm sure deep down inside, he would probably allow for the chance that it's possible he could fall for a girl.
	You would never go for a girl a certain way.
	Like she would never go for a dwarf.
	So why can she say she would never want to do that and wanted to get off of the date?
	And you can say you would never go for a girl that didn't have, that have surgery and you can't.
	Oh, well, that's just.
	You can't leave the date early, but she can do whatever she wants.
	I know, but it's like she has her never's and you have your never's.
	So I don't understand what the whole thing is that she left the date.
	Well, it's just a different assessment of what we're doing.
	Yeah, but everyone has their nevers.
	Can you stop interrupting me?
	Yeah, you gotta chill.
	Everyone has their nerves.
	It's just a difference of what I would view as perhaps doing the polite thing.
	I think, hey, look, if she doesn't, if, and I definitely actually see the argument of, hey, if you're just not interested, maybe just cut it short and save both people time.
	Me personally, in those circumstances, I would just, you know, go have a nice night, go get dinner.
	But I can also see the other side of it too.
	But just bringing it back to plastic surgery, I'll take small boobs over fake tits.
	Even like, for example, lipo, I don't like the lipo belly.
	I prefer a girl with a little belly fat than perfectly flat lipo belly.
	I'll take a flat ass over a BBL, and I'll take a small upper lip over lip fillers.
	And I don't know.
	Just not into it.
	I'm not into it.
	But guys having preferences is quite often looked at as if they're being like hateful or negative towards women, whereas women are perfectly safe to say that they hate midgets and they don't want anything to do with a fat guy or a short guy, whatever.
	But like, I don't know.
	It is kind of like a weird thing that we do where when a guy has a strong preference, it's kind of viewed as like he's anyone who doesn't fit into that category.
	Care.
	I just wanted to know like the root of it.
	Like what was it?
	Why?
	Was it like you thought less of those women for some reason?
	I mean, it's, I think, partially an aesthetic thing.
	I don't think it.
	You're just not attracted to it.
	I'm not attracted to it.
	I do think it can be, I do think it can be a potential indicator of some sort of not always, but it could be an indicator of, like, I don't want to date a woman who's like deeply insecure to the point where maybe she wants to do it to level up.
	Who knows what the motivations are?
	But I do have a suspicion that some component of undergoing these invasive, dangerous plastic surgeries is you're insecure about your physical appearance to some degree, to the point that you're prepared to.
	Also, I mean, there's a, you know, this is someone you want to build a life with, there's certainly an argument to be made.
	Is this like, if you're going to be sharing your resources, sharing your money, joint bank account, is she going to, in 10 years, have to redo, because you have to redo the fake breasts, for example.
	I don't know what the case is with.
	It's actually like, you don't have to do it after 10 years.
	Like, you might want to, but you don't have to.
	So you can just leave it in fake.
	I'm not for plastic surgery.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Men prefer natural over fake because they want the genes from the mother and cosmetic surgery is a false perception.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	I think that's a good point.
	I think if there's something like physically wrong, like a cleft lip or you mentioned like a condition after pregnancy and there's a correction that needs to take place that involves plexus surgery, it's totally understandable.
	But generally speaking, I do think body accept, you know, body acceptance for bodies that are striving to be healthy and care for themselves is a good thing because everybody's different.
	And I think there's someone for everyone that's called to be married the way that they are, provided they're striving to be healthy, sleeping, working out, eating healthy, and things like that.
	So I think it's a good thing in culture to, you know, not to be judgmental of people that choose that, but it's good to celebrate natural beauty.
	And I do think that unfortunately today, because of porn in part and also just, you know, digital media and all this stuff, there are these sort of inflated beauty standards that are not, not just not realistic, but they're actually not the only kind of beauty.
	You know, there are all kinds of beauty.
	And my opinion is that any woman who's seeking to be healthy and personally living a beautiful interior life is beautiful.
	Like she has a unique beauty.
	And there's someone for her, especially if she's called to marriage.
	So that's the hope for all of us.
	You know, regardless of what I'm saying.
	I completely agree in all of my OnlyFans videos, actually.
	When they asked, I looked like this.
	I didn't have my boobs.
	I just got them.
	And I didn't FaceApp or Facebook.
	And I think you're more attractive like that than you are.
	I do.
	And you know what?
	A lot of my fans said, don't get boobs, don't get boobs.
	But you know what?
	I wanted to get them for myself.
	I'm not going to do it for someone else.
	It's the only surgery I have.
	It's the only surgery I'll ever get.
	But you know what?
	If you needed a hip replacement or a knee replacement or you were in some sort of accident, you would get surgery too.
	So like you can't just be against surgery.
	You can't just be against surgery, dude.
	Okay, that's not my position.
	I still look hot as fuck without tits.
	I get it.
	I just want to do this for myself.
	Are you comparing medically indicated corrective surgery to plastic rest?
	Well, you're saying like surgery is a big deal.
	And I'm not pro plastic surgery.
	I'm talking about plastic surgery.
	I don't object to hip replacements.
	Yeah, I know, but it's kind of hypocritical because how's it happen?
	Well, it's so critical.
	So many people that I know actually have had to get surgery for like health reasons.
	And I only got one surgery in my whole life.
	A lot of people have had multiple surgeries.
	A lot of people have broken legs, arms, whatever.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let me just address her thing really quick.
	I'm not opposed to medically indicated surgery, but the fact of the matter- At least we can agree that you think I looked hot without tits.
	Sure.
	I'll just agree to disagree.
	Stop it.
	It's hot as fuck without tits.
	I just wanted them.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Sweet.
	But okay.
	Wait.
	Why are you comparing someone who needs to undergo like there's so many people that have had surgery?
	I mean, there's one person wants to append I don't object to appendectomy.
	It's like not a big deal if someone wants one surgery.
	He's just saying that there's a difference between like a life-saving surgery and like I'm not pro-surgery.
	She got one surgery, but she could have got a lot of surgeries, so her ratio is really good.
	Right.
	True.
	All right.
	And I could have got a lot of surgeries because I was in a car accident.
	Yes, go ahead.
	All right.
	All of this sounds extremely complicated.
	Where the line is between what's appropriate and what's not appropriate, potentially life-threatening procedures.
	Like we just saw the young lady who passed away from a mommy makeover.
	It was all over the news.
	Super sad, left behind a whole family.
	Kanye West's mom?
	Yeah, Kanye West's mom, right?
	So all I'm going to say, all I want to say is, and I genuinely, I'm not trying to troll like that.
	I finished myself.
	No, just let me know.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	Stop interrupting.
	What Lila said was this beautiful picture of this acceptance in a marriage and also desiring to take care of yourself for your partner, to serve your partner, right?
	And I've been with my wife 15 years.
	We've both been overweight.
	I've been obese.
	She's had kids.
	We're in better shape now.
	We're lean.
	It's something that's a value of ours.
	My question would just simply be, it seems like, well, we've all tried all of these things.
	We've tried all of these ideologies and all these puzzles that we have to piece together, being a conservative Christian, but still being about all these other things that seem incongruous.
	Have you guys ever genuinely considered like trying Jesus, repenting of your sin, and really applying God's wisdom for your life?
	And that's not just so much.
	I'm genuinely asking.
	You're Armenian.
	Our people have a beautiful rich history.
	We're the first Armenian nation.
	We didn't have a written language until we translated the Bible into a written language.
	We have an amazing rich, the most persecuted church, right?
	So genuinely, it seems like we've tried all these other things.
	We've tried doing it our own way.
	We're trying all this ideology.
	We're trying all these, where's the line?
	Have we genuinely ever looked at the scriptures and considered that maybe Jesus is who he says he is?
	Maybe he is God.
	Maybe he's not a liar.
	Maybe he's not a lunatic.
	Maybe he's not a good prophet.
	And genuinely repented of our ways and tried it God's way.
	I 1,000% believe in God and Jesus and know all of that shit.
	That wasn't what I asked.
	But you don't understand my point of view.
	I do understand that you're not going to be able to do it.
	I don't believe you.
	You're having a point of view.
	You're acting like I don't have a Bible.
	Christy, you've proven your point of view.
	I asked you a genuine question.
	My answer is yes to your question.
	So you've repented of your sins.
	You've placed your faith in Jesus.
	You've gone to church.
	You've lived your life with God's wisdom.
	A thousand percent.
	You've got to do what you're doing.
	And then also.
	That's your opinion.
	That's not my opinion.
	Are you God?
	It's written in God.
	No, but not the Catholic church is teaching.
	It's not my fault that Eve ate the apple.
	What are you talking about?
	It's literally in the future.
	But the first person who sinned, God wanted us to all be naked and free.
	Can we get away from that?
	It's not my fault that Eve ate the apple.
	That'll be okay.
	You keep repeating what I'm saying.
	You keep thinking you know God's opinion.
	My thoughts on the same thing.
	God gives us the Bible.
	I live in the ocean of spirituality.
	God's given us the Bible so that we can live our lives according to the spiritual.
	I understand.
	Like, what would happen if all of society actually implemented the wisdom of God?
	Like, genuine question.
	If people waited until marriage to get married, I mean, wait until marriage to have sex.
	If people didn't go and sleep around and have one night's sin.
	I think people would be way more fulfilled than they are now.
	And I think what we see in society specifically, like with our generation, is a lot of people try and fill these voids that they have with so many other destructive things that leads them down a path of further destructiveness.
	They're not happy and they keep doing like worse things to kind of fill that void.
	But the problem is we weren't made to live like this.
	Society was built up against God and how we're made to live.
	Like I don't think, I don't think someone wakes up one day and says, I want to do OnlyFans.
	No, that's how I haven't.
	And I want to, can I finish my thought?
	Please, thank you.
	I want to, someone wakes up one day, they say, I want to do porn.
	I want to do OnlyFans.
	It kind of starts off with like dabbling into things that you shouldn't.
	And then it leads more down like this path where you're now invested in doing what you're doing now.
	That's what society did.
	I don't believe in societal norms in general.
	Societal norms are not godly.
	Societal norms are not what God intended us to do.
	But you're not supposed to live.
	No, I'm not.
	You're doing it.
	Exactly what society wants you to be doing.
	No, you don't understand.
	You're not supposed to be lived in built-up cities like shoes.
	I think I'm supposed to be naked and free and connecting to the universe.
	God's will and having a relationship and loving someone.
	Do you think God's will is for you to do OnlyFans and Porn?
	I don't think God gives a fuck.
	You don't think God gives me a fancy person?
	No.
	I don't think what I'm doing for my life because he knows that I'm connected to that's not how this works.
	I don't care that you think fashion.
	It's not a lukewarm question.
	I don't think God doesn't love me because I had a job.
	That's the question.
	Of course he loves you.
	I'm not saying he doesn't love you.
	We're not going to agree on it, dude.
	Okay, can we open up, everybody else?
	Truthfully, you're asking me about religion, specifically about Jesus.
	About hedging your faith on the resurrection of Jesus.
	I know that.
	And living your life his way.
	I'm a man of God.
	That's all I can say.
	Yeah, I think I'll just leave it at that.
	Believe me.
	But God knows the truth.
	Personally, you know, I've done quite a bit of research and digging and trying to convince myself that Jesus was a real person or that I should be invested in his teachings.
	Haven't really been too convinced.
	So I'm still kind of waiting to be convinced that this is something I should put my energy into.
	The vast majority of thinkers that I respect or read or listen to are atheists.
	So for me personally, it's not really an issue.
	Like there's just not enough evidence to me that there's anything of value to offer from Christianity.
	I think that if we were to be looking for a book that we could kind of base our morality on, I don't really think the Bible is the best book to live our lives based on.
	It just seems like even within the Ten Commandments, there's a lot of important stuff that's left out of the Ten Commandments and a bunch of bullshit that really doesn't seem like it belongs there.
	So to me, it's definitely not happening.
	Let's just try to circle it back to dating and let me do a couple chats here.
	So I have Puffy Vegas.
	All women I have never met women.
	Hello?
	Seriously, call me at four.
	Every woman I've ever interacted with gave me a 10 out of 10.
	Lena, Puffy Vegas is very upset.
	All his photos were with women in Vegas.
	I'm confused.
	He's very upset at you.
	He is paying for their time, I would guess.
	Every woman gives him a 10 out of 10.
	He might have been paying them.
	Would you like to apologize to Mr. Puffy Vegas?
	I would like to invite him to come onto my live streams and donate as much money as he's donated tonight because this guy seems like he's doing it.
	Sorry for hurting your feelings, but I had to be honest with my answer.
	Honesty is the best policy.
	We have Alpha Sigma Mindset.
	Brian, love the show.
	Keep it up.
	Blondo F chick is so delusional.
	I'm currently creating a new brand to help men survive in the world.
	Thank you.
	Cue for the panel.
	How do we make men great again?
	Hashtag Alpha Sigma Mindset.
	We'll go around the panel on this.
	Why don't we start with Lena and go around?
	How do we make men great again?
	Oh, God.
	I have the perfect man.
	It's so hard to think about how to answer this question.
	You just killed that one.
	That was amazing.
	I love you.
	Actually, let me think of all the things you don't do.
	How do we make men great again?
	Men great again.
	I think what's important is guys like me and Brian who are out here fucking the liberal establishment and creating raw content for men, teaching them valuable life skills that will allow them to excel in life and not caring about what Anderson Cooper has to say about it.
	I think that's how we're going to make men great again.
	No joke per podcast.
	Go subscribe.
	Just an idea.
	There you have it.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Men are natural providers.
	They're natural hunters.
	They're natural protectors.
	Females are natural caretakers.
	We can push babies out of our vaginas.
	We make homes.
	We make families.
	You make men great again by being protectors, by being providers, by doing those masculine things that society is pushing against them.
	Society is trying to make males take on feminine energy and females take on masculine energy and they're doing it so that no one has an identity anymore so they can control us all.
	So how do we make men great again?
	Be providers, protectors, and caretakers.
	Do you think men should stop watching adult content in order to be great again?
	I think men should be fucking their wives so no one else needs to watch it.
	But wouldn't that come at the detriment of yourself?
	Maybe, but I wouldn't have been in this situation that I'm in if men were taking care of their women and women were taking care of their men.
	Oh, so you're saying if you were married, I'm saying our jobs wouldn't exist if men and women were living the way God intended them in the first place.
	I'm just curious, how do you wipe my ass?
	Because the nails are girls, girls don't poop.
	You know that, right?
	This one does.
	Is this true?
	Is this true?
	She pooped in front of me on like this.
	We don't fart either.
	We don't sweat.
	We glisten.
	Wow.
	I'm learning anatomy today.
	We don't coke in the bathroom.
	Do you not do science?
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	I don't know why.
	Okay.
	But I've heard the strategy is you have to wrap the toilet paper.
	How do you wipe?
	Hey, Madison, you don't get some toilet paper over here.
	I've never taken a shit in my life.
	I don't do anal.
	You could still shit.
	I never have.
	How do I have these white nails so clean?
	It's not so much the color of the nails.
	I'm just like, because doesn't it.
	I'm just thinking the logistics of.
	Yeah, but you don't think a lot of things through.
	You know.
	What do you mean?
	I think what have I noticed?
	Okay, so I mean, I do pee and I do wipe myself and my nails don't get in my way.
	You know when nails actually like this get in your way?
	Or when you're wearing very thin leggings and you try to pull them up and it pokes holes in them.
	That's the only time it gets in the way.
	You've poked holes in some leggings before?
	When it was back in the day and the sharp nails, this was in like 2014 when the sharp nails were in.
	Yeah, I poked a lot of holes in the middle.
	So you never got any poop on your fingernails?
	No.
	Except for my dogs.
	Except for my dogs.
	Not of mine.
	Thank you.
	How do we make men great again?
	Go ahead, Bren.
	No, I just feel like the apps have hurt us more than they help us.
	So it's like these guys just think the next best thing is to swipe away.
	Isn't that what the women think too?
	Not really.
	I don't know.
	I feel like it's women who want the relationships and it's really up to the men to determine if they want to then go ahead and pursue them.
	Like in my, like from what I hear from my friends, it's always the woman who wants to like have the relationship and then it's the man who's like women overwhelmingly end relationships.
	What's the stat on that?
	Yeah, well, I mean, we could, I don't know if they've done it.
	Yeah, where did you get these stats from?
	Well, okay, let's speak about marriage.
	Women are more likely to initiate divorces, but also, I would say that this stays true even in relationships.
	But of the women here at this table, let's just, more often than not, when it in when you're talking to a guy, whether it's you've been on one, two, three dates with him, or you've been in a long-term multi-year relationship with him, more often than not, are you ending things or is he ending things?
	Let's maybe start with you.
	I'm trying to think.
	My relationship beforehand was with a girl, so I don't know if that counts, but maybe with a guy, let's say.
	I guess in the dating space, I feel like it was pretty split, but I feel like the guys, they just ghosted.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the guys want to play the game and bang every single girl that they can, and the girls are, you know, kind of begrudgingly giving up some pussies so that they can try to get the guy to take them serious as a totally depends on like what your dating pool looks like based on what you allow.
	I mean, because it's kind of described in LA for the most part.
	You know, there's a lot of crazy people everywhere, people who live crazy lives, but there's also a lot of people who are trying to live good lives.
	And I think the key is just people finding each other that share the values.
	And that can be really hard.
	I know a lot of singles complain, like, it's so hard to find somebody.
	But, you know, I think if you're putting yourself into places where there's other people that share your values, then you're more likely to find them.
	And you're not just going to find the people that are looking to sleep together, you know, or just have sex with you and then leave.
	But I do feel like with the dating apps, it's like, I think both parties feel like, oh, people are just disposable.
	That's so sad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, and I remember, like, I used to, my way of meeting girls was just going to bars and clubs and just trying to talk to random girls.
	And I learned a lot of like, you know, real, you know, helpful techniques and tactics on like how to communicate with people in my life through that.
	And then at some point, it kind of became like Tinder and Bumble.
	And the game for me in my head of like, you know, just sort of being in the mentality of trying to get some new girls every week was just like, oh, I'm going to sit here for a half hour at a time and swipe on this app and write the same message over and over.
	And it just started to feel kind of gross.
	And that's like, that's why I think I was kind of primed to get into a relationship around the time I met her because I had become sort of disgruntled and unhappy with where I was at relationship work.
	Well, I think it totally depends on your goals going into it.
	Because if you're going into like a dating app experience with, okay, I want to have a hookup or I'm expecting sex before commitment or things like that, you're going to get a totally different outcome, I think, typically speaking, than if you go into it saying, I'm dating to ultimately find the one to marry.
	And that's the person that shares my values.
	I'd raise kids with, you know, I'd want to like build a family life project with.
	So that really, I think, is a natural filter when you look at who are the options.
	And then you'll also find like, yeah, dating apps are powerful and can.
	I know a ton of people who met their spouses through dating apps.
	So they can be really effective.
	But then couple that with you, are you putting yourself out there, like going to places that you think you could meet that future spouse too?
	I think that combination can maximize success.
	But if you're just getting together with people and you're like having sex on that first date or just sleeping together before marriage, that's a different value set that you're engaging.
	And that, you know, what is the goal?
	What is the goal of your dating?
	I think it has to be the question of every person getting into it.
	I actually completely agree with you and Isabella.
	I think I've been misunderstood by both of you, but that's actually how I go into every single potential date and person that I give a chance to date.
	That's awesome.
	And I'm very, very picky.
	I have my intuition, but like that is the mindset that I go into everyone that I give a chance to and attempt to date, whether it lasts a month, three months, six months, a year, etc.
	But, and then going back to your point, I do think that the female naturally does want the relationship more than the man.
	And I think, I don't think it used to be that way.
	I think the dating apps created like the fuckboy.
	Like it gave guys too many different options.
	No, but that's biological shit.
	Because guys have always been able to create a child or have sex with someone and then just keep it moving.
	And then the woman has to deal with the long-term ramifications of it.
	Well, you said too about like the chase, like how men are hunters.
	And I do like believe that.
	And I think that the dating apps, both for men and women, makes it really easy for women to not be pursued and men not have to chase.
	And I just people think that it's, you know, men that are just really wanting to hook up.
	Women are just as bad too.
	And I've seen it like even more.
	But at Adam's point, like you said earlier before in Lena, like you were sleeping with all these girls and you were unfulfilled.
	And that experience of realizing, hey, this isn't fulfilling me.
	Like hooking up with all these girls is not fulfilling me.
	And then you fell in love with Lena and you want to build a life with her alone.
	I think that shows like men are.
	I know this is unpopular.
	People don't like saying this, but I think men are made for monogamy.
	I do.
	And I think that, you know, Ruslan, my husband, there's a ton of men living that.
	Maybe they're not on social media talking about it all the time, but I know dozens and dozens of men who are living that.
	And they're happy that way.
	They're fulfilled that way.
	To piggyback, that monogamy is in the man's best interest.
	If we're talking hunters and gatherers, who's going to take care of the kid?
	Your offspring don't survive if you don't stick around.
	Second thing I want to say is we're talking about what would make men great again.
	I think ultimately is the ability to delay gratification.
	And if you don't have that, you're going to just run through as many girls as you can, creating more women or high body counts, creating more unwanted pregnancies.
	And so I think men, to be the priest provider, protector, got to get back to learning how to delay gratification, not just give in to all their fleshly desires.
	Lila, what can we do to make men great again?
	Did you answer that?
	I haven't answered that yet.
	Russ Lynn had a great point just now.
	How do we make men great again?
	I think men are already made to be great innately.
	I think they're made in the image of God.
	And I think that men pursuing virtue.
	And you can't pursue virtue if you don't assent to a higher morality.
	Like if you say, I get to decide whatever morality is and I'm just going to do what I feel like, you're never going to be who you're made to be.
	You're always going to be limited by your next impulse, your next lust, your next immediate fleeting desire.
	Lifelong happiness.
	And all the social data proves this too.
	Lifelong happiness comes through growing in virtue and having, for those called to marriage, that lifelong, committed, exclusive, monogamous marriage.
	And I want that for men.
	I want that for women.
	And we just have to say this openly and like not denigrate men and say, oh, men can't do it.
	Or women are sluts and can't do it.
	No, we can all rise above and do it.
	Yo, Matthew, thank you, man.
	Hey, Brian, here with Bubala, Emily, Make It Ray.
	Oh, hey, guys.
	We love Lean and Adam.
	You two are an inspiration for us in our relationship, as we are also quite non-conventional.
	We wanted to ask, have you two ever experienced jealousy?
	If so, how did you navigate it?
	Isn't this the boyfriend of the girl who was on the most recent stream that we listened to on the way here?
	See, I'm getting my whatever knowledge up.
	Yes, that is.
	Do we ever experience jealousy for sure?
	Especially early on, like when we were doing threesomes and stuff, she would get quite jealous.
	And, you know, even me more recently with the Jason Love plot line, I definitely was a little jealous at first.
	I mean, for us being people that do porn, it's something where we kind of just have to navigate it because it's sort of part of the job.
	But I mean, even I feel like a huge percentage of people that I know in relationships, you know, I have a friend who I seen him like, you know, get into an argument with his girlfriend because she went to the store with a sports bra on and just to like buy something.
	And that kind of like clicked in my head of like, oh shit, like every guy is dealing with jealousy to some extent, you know, like even if it's something way more minor than the stuff like that I might feel or think about.
	I know what about for you.
	I feel like in the beginning of our relationship when I wasn't really sure where we stood, where we were dating and I wasn't sure like how much Adam really liked me, but we were having threesomes.
	I feel like I got like a little bit more jealous because I felt more in competition with the other girl, even though I was like really enjoying the experience and it would bring us closer afterwards.
	But as we did more and more threesomes, I got more desensitized to seeing him with another woman.
	Like it didn't like really do anything for me.
	I mean, to me, but once in a while, like I'll get like a little jealous.
	Because the other day we did a plug talk episode where we interviewed the girl and then sleep with her after.
	It's our genius podcast available at onlyplugtalk.com.
	It was like commenting on certain Instagram pictures.
	She had like, oh, I've seen this one picture of you.
	You look really hot.
	I was like, hey, like, I got like annoyed.
	Yeah, she felt a little jealous because she was able to actually picture me looking at this girl's Instagram, seeing her in a certain pose in a certain picture, and being attractive enough to follow her back and DM her and ask her if she wanted to come on the show.
	And so I say that to just say that I think some degree of jealousy is totally normal.
	Or even like while she was pregnant, there was one time where I did a podcast with a bunch of drunk girls and one of them was like pawing all over me, just like grabbing at me and stuff and just being way too extra.
	And she was like very jealous afterwards.
	And it was like almost like a reminder to her of like, oh, I do care about you.
	Because like, you know, after the pregnancy or while pregnancy.
	Yeah, but like you, you thought like in that moment, you said that you had kind of lost the ability to be jealous because you were so well, to be honest, it was like the sleep deprivation.
	But do we feel like jealousy needs to exist in a healthy relationship?
	I just think it's kind of inevitable at some point, you know.
	But if it's not there, is the relationship unhealthy?
	Not necessarily, but I think it's kind of like a sign of a healthy relationship.
	But also, if it takes over your relationship and you find yourself like obsessing over it, especially when the girl really hasn't done anything wrong or vice versa, then that's probably a sign that I don't think me and my wife ever put ourselves in situations where the other one is jealous.
	So I don't think it has to exist.
	We just have boundaries with each other and other people.
	Well, and I think like another thing is like being, I think you used the word desensitized at one point, Lena.
	And I think that we are sensitive as women and as men to when we're in a marriage, especially or any relationship really to that other person being with someone else.
	Because I think, again, back to monogamy, like I think that is, we're naturally wired to want that.
	And so the thing is, like what Rusline is saying, and like my in our marriage, it's like, how do we respect and like protect that vulnerability?
	Yeah.
	Because we don't want to make the other person jealous.
	You know, we don't want to create space for that in the relationship.
	And that's where fidelity and boundaries can be so powerful to protect that really precious thing, which is your intimacy.
	I mean, there's nothing more precious in my life besides my faith and my intimacy.
	And I know that that, you know, you've said that that's really valuable to you guys too.
	So.
	Okay, Madison, how do we make men great again?
	Oh, gosh.
	I think that in this world in modern day society, a lot of men have very high expectations, or just people in general have very high expectations of men.
	And to truly make men great again, honestly, just truly discovering yourself, finding your unique purpose in this world, like societal norms aside, like don't try to be someone that everyone wants you to be.
	Just trying to find yourself and trying to be someone that you want to be.
	Beautiful.
	Isabella, what about you?
	I would say probably adding on to what Lila had said, just by embracing their masculinity, I think society puts down men a lot, a lot of their intrinsic biological natures, like protectiveness and all these things and wanting to be a provider as and they label them as toxic.
	And so I think that men kind of feel afraid to actually be men.
	And I think if they embrace their masculinity, we can make men great again.
	I completely agree with that.
	Me and you are actually on the same page about a lot of things, besides for my job.
	Sides for that.
	She concurs.
	All right, we have Markuvius Martin here.
	Brian, I just sent my picture to your email.
	Pull it up on your phone and show it.
	Let's make sure we do a Google reverse search.
	Wait, do they not know my name?
	She's really him.
	Then after she's in love, I can reject her.
	Please do not show it to the audience.
	You know, I need to keep my anonymity because of my companies.
	So I'm just going to show it to you.
	Do you know this guy in real life?
	Why don't you know my name?
	He looks kind of hot.
	You look kind of hot.
	You look kind of hot.
	Oh, Markius.
	I like hands, but you look kind of hot for me.
	Even I know that's a good looking guy.
	He's a giga chat.
	At least that fun.
	That's a really good idea.
	Wait, why don't you know my name?
	What's his rating?
	I can see it.
	Can I see it?
	That's how you do it.
	I normally only like blondes, but he looks like a bad one.
	Yeah, he's a handsome guy.
	That's a handsome guy.
	Wow.
	Hey, slide in my DMs.
	I would like to.
	But he doesn't know my name.
	He has saved me.
	He's a good friend of mine, Mark Wavius.
	He has saved me from a shark attack.
	Oh.
	We were out surfing together in Malibu.
	Do you guys surf?
	You surfing.
	One time in Hawaii, and it was amazing.
	I want to do more of it.
	You got to do more.
	Well, you're more BMX guy, right?
	Do you still ride?
	Not really anymore.
	Injury design for podcasting.
	And old age.
	Okay.
	Well, he saved me.
	We were out surfing Malibu.
	There was a shark, and he just punched the shit out of the shark.
	Wow.
	Saved me.
	Are you making this up?
	Oh, I swear to God.
	That was sick.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	He was like, he was on it.
	He scared the shark away.
	He hit him right in the nose.
	Why doesn't he know my name?
	He's a very wealthy man.
	He owns like 300 Chick-fil-A's.
	Does he have friends?
	Do you really know this guy?
	Yeah, he's legit.
	Are they 300 Chick-fil-A?
	My name is Christy.
	It's not blondie.
	You can't have 300 Chick-fil-As.
	Oh, sorry, sorry.
	Waffle House.
	Waffle House.
	My bad.
	Waffle House?
	Start making this up.
	Chick-fil-A.
	Why are your friends emailing me photos on Sunday?
	But I don't actually know how to do it.
	Emails faster.
	Use seed oils.
	That's a problem for me.
	A big $500 super chat from X5 Podcast.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Really appreciate your patronage.
	Thank you.
	The blonde's voice sounds like she ate a concrete.
	How come no one knows my name is Christy?
	Like, I'm not the only blonde person.
	It's weird how we all know it's not about this.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, why don't you call me by my name?
	It would be more offensive because it could.
	It could be.
	I think they just started with blondie in the beginning of the pod, and now it just kind of sucks.
	I mean, I like being blonde.
	I'm just curious.
	How can one eat a concrete patio?
	Yeah, a patio?
	Yeah.
	A patio?
	Take the rest of your life.
	I think it wouldn't have tea.
	Oh, is it gravel?
	Maybe like points.
	That's a lot of money for a mean comedy.
	Yeah, a lot of money.
	Thank you.
	But can you just call me Christy from now on?
	Because that's what my parents did.
	Did you ever hear about that guy who ate a car?
	He means Christ, actually.
	So I'm just saying.
	He like took every single different part of the car and like grinded it down into like ball, like tiny little chunks and progressively ate it throughout the course of his life.
	No, he lived.
	He grinded it down to such tall everything.
	I think so, yeah.
	Isn't there like dangerous chemicals and shit and like engines?
	Well, he probably didn't do like the oil or other stuff.
	There used to be like a TLC show on that where people would like to do it.
	Yeah, where they would like eat like these good things.
	There's like a drywall, a mattress, a tire.
	I told you a weird story.
	I don't know if I'm allowed to tell it on the podcast, though.
	We should probably air it.
	It's about someone eating doll heads repeatedly.
	I think that's okay, but doll heads.
	It's actually.
	Okay, so my ex-boyfriend, he has a lot of doctors in his family, and one of them, he had this patient that was a male patient repeatedly eating Barbie doll heads.
	And he kept having to give him surgery because he kept repeatedly eating the doll heads.
	And then finally, he was like, I can't come.
	You can't come back to me.
	But the only reason why he was eating the Barbie doll heads is because every time he pooped him out, he would come.
	Sounds like a well-adjusted guy.
	I think that's worse than porn.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Only being able to come by shitting out.
	I don't know why he didn't put the shawl up his ass instead of eat it.
	And the doctor's like, I can't keep performing on Sunday.
	The doctor had to refuse to keep giving him surgery.
	It was too much.
	Yeah.
	Yikes.
	What the fuck?
	Hold on.
	I think it was a little bit worse than only giving it away.
	Okay, all right.
	We have SoCal Surfer 805.
	Bro, question for the gals.
	I love smashing girls, and it's a hobby to make girls come vaginally.
	Okay.
	Robert Reddy the pussy.
	With that said, Fat Cox, bro, hello?
	Why you make girls come easier?
	What do the girls think about penis enlargement surgery?
	No, I have seven inches, but want a fatter hog thoughts.
	Haram!
	If it's really seven, that's pretty solid, to be honest.
	I feel like you should probably just accept what God or whoever gave you.
	Yeah, don't get maybe use some vibrators too.
	Well, so show of hands, would the girls be cool with a dude who you got to take that to the grave?
	I would never.
	I would never.
	I don't think that surgery actually works.
	Isn't that a double standard, though?
	Yeah, see, girls are inhibitedly turned off by guys who actually.
	When I'm talking, why are you talking?
	Like, I had already started talking, so you could just be quiet for a little bit.
	Yeah, it's true.
	He was talking.
	It's the whole like not interrupting thing that you seem to really be struggling with.
	But like, why is it that everybody was talking about Brian like he was some sort of sick fuck because he is turned off by girls who've had surgery?
	Whereas like every girl seems like they inherently have it within them that they think a guy who puts a little too much effort into his physique is kind of an oddball, right?
	Well, I think they all agree that we don't want lazy uplifts.
	It is a double standard because like a lot of, I think a lot of girls would be turned off like if a guy got bicep implants or like bicep, they'd be like, it looks kind of weird.
	That's how, that's my thought.
	And even a guy who spends a ton of time in the gym and is super serious about his fitness and his food, like a lot of girls are going to look at him like, that's a little weird.
	Oh, Adam, did you see that?
	This was like 20 years ago on MTV.
	It was like this weird MTV calf implants?
	Calf implants.
	It was such a legendary part of my childhood.
	I was seeing that a lot of times.
	He got huge calf implants.
	And that was like the moment for a lot of us where it seemed like we realized like, oh, dudes have mental illness in terms of their body too, because this guy was so clearly like deranged that he just thought his calves weren't good enough.
	It was a watershed.
	Is that the problem?
	Yeah, no, that really isn't good use of that.
	But I think in general, though, like a lot of guys have a really hard time growing their calves.
	So that is a frequent complaint.
	And the stereotype is that black guys have a hard time growing their calves.
	Do you think part of it could be that the guy isn't willing to put in the work to actually get it?
	That's the crux, though, right?
	Neither side is willing to put in the work to get it.
	And that's why we frown upon it.
	But the calves in particular, it's such a genetic thing, and a lot of guys can go crazy on their calves and they'll never grow.
	So I guess that's why to make a happy relationship, like there's way more than physicality.
	Like physicality.
	Calves aren't there.
	I mean, physicality obviously matters.
	It totally matters, but there's a lot more that goes into it.
	I've done a lot of calf raises in my day, and I'm not sure they really do too much.
	But it might be my genetics just suck.
	All right, we have a chat here from Puffy Vegas.
	Wait, I dated this again?
	Yep, I dated thousands of women of beautiful women.
	I want on your channel now.
	That was the guy that you just showed us?
	That's the guy for us.
	Not this guy.
	It was the black guy.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	Yeah, come on through.
	Love to meet you.
	We'll have him on the show one of these days.
	All right.
	I think we're caught up on chats here.
	I'm trying to think where we had left off.
	You were saying something about in one of your pre-show messages, chivalry is dead.
	Yeah.
	And you're upset by that.
	Chivalry is dead.
	Yeah.
	So, like, what's an example of guys not being chivalrous anymore?
	Even like opening the car door for you.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Gotta do that.
	But what is the skill role?
	The sidewalk roll.
	Sidewalker?
	Yeah.
	Like the sidewalk on the outside.
	I think it's better for the woman to be closer to the side of like the where the closer to the car is because you know um why well i'm just like Well, maybe the air conditioner is going to fall down and hit you.
	But also, how likely is it that a car is going to come onto the sidewalk and hit us and somehow only hit me because I'm on the outside and not hit you as well?
	It seems like you're preparing for something that's incredibly unlikely.
	Protect her a little bit more.
	Smile at that.
	Yeah.
	So you could like angle this a couple different ways.
	You could say, well, like, let's say you're walking past an alleyway.
	You want to be because the alleyway is going to be closer than the other one.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I actually have an example of this.
	For my boyfriend of two weeks, a few weeks ago, we were actually walking down an alleyway and there was this crazy homeless man.
	And he had me walking right by him.
	And in my head, I'm like, wouldn't you just go on the other side?
	No.
	Naturally.
	So he let you be closer to the.
	This is getting kind of classist here, but.
	Chivalry thing would have done.
	How do you know he was crazy?
	Or is it just because he was homeless?
	He was homeless, therefore he was crazy.
	No, he was like, he was being crazy.
	Like screaming out.
	He's like, fuck, Jen.
	Like, you know, tweaking.
	Sounds like a good time.
	It's not that hard to figure out.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah, and I felt uncomfortable.
	Chivalry is dead, though.
	Yes.
	Like, I look at my dad and how he treats my mom.
	Sure.
	And I talked to them about this the other day.
	Like, I'm like, I'm going to be 35 in December.
	And I thought by now, okay, I know.
	Thought it'd be like married.
	But it's like, I have so many girlfriends that are in the same boat because it's just like men aren't built the same way like our dads were back in the day.
	But are women built the same way?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think men and women are both to blame.
	Like, I feel like I also look at my parents' relationship.
	And like, my mom and my dad have been together since my mom was 16 years old.
	They had me when she was 21.
	And so like when I turned 23, my mom was like, oh, I already had like two kids and went on the way at your age.
	I think times are definitely different.
	But I think that like, yes, I don't think men are as chivalrous, but I also don't think women are what they were.
	But I think it's because they started having to, well, actually, multiple things.
	One, like, I don't want a job.
	I want to be a mom, but there's not chivalrous men anymore.
	I'm not going to settle.
	But also, like, I hate fucking feminism.
	And feminism made women have to start going to work and like pride themselves on that.
	I don't want a job.
	Well, I think I don't want to be poor.
	I want to live a nice lifestyle.
	And until I meet the right man, I'm going to just do OnlyFans and live better than most of my friends.
	You don't think you attract what you are, though?
	I think me and my ex-boyfriend, we started dating way before my OnlyFans.
	That wasn't what I was talking about.
	Yeah, I believe in the law of attraction.
	I believe in quantum physics.
	I meant like who you are in the season of life that you're in.
	But this is your character is going to attract that type of person.
	Yeah, but you, why do you think my character is bad?
	Just because of my job?
	I think that he's just saying that I would love to attract who I am because I'm super funny.
	I'm super smart.
	I'm super patriotic.
	I'm super witty.
	I'm super fast.
	I'm super duper hot.
	I would love to attract who I am.
	I think he's just saying that you're not.
	Yes, it'd be amazing.
	You're also very good.
	That's the reason.
	That's what I'm waiting for.
	I love you to attract them.
	I think he's just saying, like, if you're demanding, like, not demanding, but you're saying, like, okay, I want marriage.
	I want to be able to stay home.
	I want kids.
	Like, how can you kind of justify wanting those things without bringing anything to the table?
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	I have a lot of people.
	Because how can you demand something, though?
	Can I finish, please?
	When you demand things from men, like I want to be able to stay home, I want to be self-sufficient on a salary.
	I want children.
	I want to be wiped up.
	I want to live like this stay-at-home life.
	But then what do you bring on the table besides, like, okay, I'm hot and I'm funny?
	Like, what do you bring from them?
	I make like more money than usually everyone that's admitted or attractive.
	I don't think men are attracted.
	I don't want that, dude.
	I'm just saying I'm not going to settle down and I'm not going to be poor and I'm not going to live not like I'm living like life on vacation every day in Miami until I meet that person.
	I think one.
	And I don't think you should be judging me.
	I think we have the same beliefs overall and I think we're on different paths.
	And I like to create a lot of people.
	I want you to watch this back because I don't think you can detach it from reality.
	I get it.
	I get it, dude.
	I think what he's just saying is.
	I'll watch it back.
	The lifestyle that you're living isn't in line with what you're wanting.
	That's nice.
	Thank you for thinking that.
	Thank you for thinking that.
	That's what I know.
	In your dating profile, you did say something about like you wish like guys would pay or guys.
	No, no, no.
	It was men should pay for the first date, right?
	That's kind of like the chivalrous thing.
	Yeah, of course they should.
	So that's like kind of a traditional thing.
	The guy should pay for the first date.
	Yeah.
	But like, you know what I mean?
	No, I don't know.
	Well, okay, like.
	I don't know what you're saying.
	Wouldn't the traditional thing ratio?
	Yeah, I'll explain it.
	So you do BG boy girl content, right?
	With my, with my only with my boyfriend at the time, not exactly.
	At the time, but it's still online, correct?
	Yeah.
	So isn't it kind of like non-traditional to have like videos of you getting fucked by another dude?
	Guys don't seem to give a fuck.
	They actually, I mean, it's not like you guys want to marry.
	I don't think you can really be like, can you really be shivalized?
	I don't think they care, to be honest.
	Guys don't care.
	Guys definitely care.
	Some guys might.
	It has not affected my dating life.
	You've been dating a guy for a month, dude.
	I've been talking to people longer than that.
	Stop judging me.
	I'm not judging you.
	But you're also how old they're not married.
	So what does it matter?
	Yeah, but I've just got out of a longer relationship.
	Okay, but you're saying that I'm just going to be a little bit more than that.
	Because I don't want to get married and get divorced.
	But that's not what you're saying.
	Because divorce is also a sin.
	It is.
	That's not what any of us are saying.
	I think we're just saying that you're demanding traditional things from traditional men that you are not saying you're not a traditional woman and you're not offering anything that's traditional in any obvious chivalry thing.
	I get, I hear people, women complain a lot, like, oh, men aren't chivalrous anymore.
	I also hear men complain that women aren't being like ladylike or feminine anymore.
	So there's like all these complaints.
	Basically, I think in some ways, especially you see this on the internet, but the sexes are at war, right?
	Like we don't know how to be harmonious together.
	And I think the through line, there's two through lines.
	Morality, like those guardrails of like what is a good, what is it to behave well towards each other is one thing.
	And then the second thing is growing in virtues.
	Like how do we grow as human beings so that we can try to behave well with each other and love each other well?
	Because otherwise we're always going to be fighting and there's always going to be this either competitiveness or this anger or this just always this disunity.
	But the unity can be found, I believe, through appreciating men for being like truly great men, which would include self-control, honor, humility, drive towards what is good, service of others, women, similar things, but also nurture, love of children, love of family, eagerness to serve other people and love other people instead of just being concerned with ourselves and our own ideas and goals.
	And if we focus on those things as men and women, we'll be much more harmonious together, I think, and have a much happier society.
	I think that love is unconditional and we're all attracting completely different people.
	We're all very, very different people.
	So like my person that I end up with is going to be completely different with who you guys end up with.
	And that's okay because we're all completely different.
	We're allowed to be different.
	That's why we're going to end up with who we end up with in the first place.
	Yes, love is unconditional.
	You think love is unconditional?
	Yeah.
	You think there are no conditions in which you would fall out of love with somebody?
	I think love is unconditional.
	I think if you love someone, you love them.
	Like, my parents love them.
	There's no conditions to love.
	I think you can know that you're not meant to be with someone.
	That's not based on conditions.
	That's because you know that you just aren't meant to be with that person.
	There's a difference between intuition or being on the same wavelength and conditions.
	Like if I'm genuinely in love with someone and I marry whoever I decide to marry, yeah, it's unconditional.
	It's not unconditional.
	But that's why I'm so single.
	You're like, why are you single at 33?
	Because I'm waiting to meet my person.
	No, because you said you've only been in a relationship for a month.
	I'm also 23 years old.
	So I don't think that has any relevance to what we were talking about at all in terms of traditionalism.
	But I do want to talk about what you said between like harmony between the sexes.
	I think women have kind of found themselves in a place where they almost have to be like men and manly like and protect themselves and defend themselves and provide for themselves.
	And so yeah, I think it's hard then for women to be in these relationships where they have to like tone that down when they're not in an environment in the first place where they can even be feminine.
	Word.
	Okay, unconditional love.
	I mean in your dating profile you say that you think the guy should pay for a date.
	That's a condition.
	That's like me not wanting to go on a date with a dwarf.
	Like I don't want to go on a date.
	It's not a condition.
	That's a condition.
	Okay.
	Love is unconditional.
	Like my parents love me no matter who I am, no matter what I do.
	I mean if I have kids.
	That's a moral error.
	No.
	Your parents' love is different than the love you would have for your husband and that he would have for you.
	Yeah.
	Familiar.
	I mean when I have kids, love is unconditional.
	Different category.
	Are you going to still love your husband if he starts beating the shit out of you?
	It seems that that's probably the conditional.
	The way to love him would be to separate yourself from him to protect him.
	I'm not going to marry someone to get myself in that situation.
	That sounds like a condition.
	There's no such thing as a person.
	No, it doesn't.
	It's not a condition.
	Yes, not being an abuser sounds like a condition that you need fulfilled in order to be in a relationship.
	Do you think every woman that ends up in an abusive relationship goes into the relationship knowing he's abusive?
	I know for a fact.
	No.
	That's not what I'm talking about, though.
	We're just trying to explain words to you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	No problem.
	But like, okay, please mail me a dictionary tomorrow, please.
	I obviously have to do it.
	I think I have one.
	The ratio is to the airport.
	I need one so badly.
	No one knows my name.
	What's your ratio of picture books to chapter books?
	Zero.
	Oh.
	But okay, can you at least admit that there are some conditions under which, like in order for you to fall in love with somebody, probably certain conditions need to be met?
	Standards and conditions are two different things.
	But unconditional.
	Love is unconditional.
	So there are no conditions.
	Standards?
	So if you start cheating.
	To date someone.
	If your husband gets to the point of marriage is not.
	Can we Google unconditional?
	Hold on.
	We're going to send you to conditional first.
	I promise you, I'm not trying to be a little bit more.
	I really don't give a fuck.
	We're just not going to agree on it.
	I'm just telling you, you're making a categorical error.
	There's a different kind of love that a man has for his wife than a woman.
	Yo, stop, stop that kid.
	Just let him speak.
	What is that?
	Oh, my God.
	Thank you, Ben.
	Chats is on fire.
	Thank you, man.
	Christy, you seem very narcissistic.
	You think way too highly of yourself to the point of bordering on plain ignorance, and you seem to not understand how logic works.
	Thank you for the $500.
	You spelt my name completely wrong.
	It's going to him for the record.
	I know that.
	I get it.
	I'm literally hugging him.
	Like, this whole thing is making him so much money because of me.
	You're welcome.
	Partially, because I made you the most money tonight, all night.
	Wait, so but if you got married, right?
	So you would, the person you marry, you would have kids.
	Yes, you are.
	Bro, what's your deal?
	Can you just chill?
	Like, we've told you multiple times to not interrupt people.
	Sorry.
	You're literally doing it right now.
	Do you just not have any social grace?
	Like, can you just not interrupt people?
	You've interrupted.
	Look at you.
	You're like, you're kind of interrupted people so many times.
	You've interrupted Isabella.
	You've interrupted everybody here at the table.
	Trying to not interrupt.
	I know, it must be difficult for you.
	Can you stop?
	Okay.
	That's why I'm shaking my head.
	I know, but it's like almost passive-aggressive in the way you're doing it.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Apology accepted.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	We're all a happy family now.
	All right.
	I think you were saying something.
	You were talking about your mom, and I was just curious: like, do you feel like your mom, because she was in a different era, carried herself maybe differently than most modern women do today?
	And I'm not, I don't want to use that term in a loaded fashion, but like, where's that give and take if we're saying men are built the same, like, but are women built, you know, carrying themselves differently?
	So then okay, so is it unreasonable then to expect men to act in a way where women aren't acting in the way that would attract a man like that?
	I don't know.
	I just think this generation of guys is so completely different.
	But what about this generation of fans?
	I think the end.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, my mom was a stay-at-home mom that, I mean, she went to all the board meetings.
	And my dad was a pilot and flew across the world.
	But I guess it was different.
	Like, I don't want to be a stay-at-home mom.
	I don't know.
	I guess I have a different view on relationships because of my parents, but it's also just hard maybe because of my dating past.
	So you're saying you don't want what they have?
	No, I definitely do want what they have, but you don't want to live the way they live.
	I think it was just different.
	Get your last-minute chats, and we're going to wrap up in the top fifth.
	My wife is a stay-at-home mom who homeschools our kids and works part-time keeping our books.
	It is different.
	Technology is different.
	Dating apps are different.
	But all my wife's friends are stay-at-home moms who have side hustles and are amazing moms, teachers, educators.
	I just think it's so different.
	Like I was saying earlier, the social media aspect of things.
	Like, my dad was a pilot.
	I uncovered their box of love letters to each other.
	Like, it was just so different then.
	But I think it is possible today.
	I think it's hard.
	I do think it's hard.
	I think there's a lot of people that are, you know, because of social media, because of the sexual revolution.
	You know, I know we've talked a lot about porn, but I would say because of porn, all these things, it's a lot harder to have what you're describing, but it is possible.
	So you guys give me hope.
	That's good.
	But we're not just lucky.
	I think.
	I mean, we were very blessed.
	I think we were, I think, I don't know about your family background, but I can say like my parents are together.
	Like that is a privilege I have.
	Yeah.
	But I will also say like it is possible for everyone, but we just have to be that change we want to see.
	We have to choose it.
	Like if we want to be that with a man who's going to be that provider, that protector, who's going to be a man of honor, then our role would be to be that woman of honor who wants to cherish motherhood, you know, and not prioritize careerism over it and who's preparing for a life like that.
	I hope it will maximize that opportunity for us.
	I also would add that, like, even though I'm 23, a lot of my friends are already in their 30s.
	And the biggest thing that they say is that they feel that, like, at this point in their lives, that feminism really did have a big impact on them.
	Not in the way that it is now, but more so that women, like, were told, like, you can do whatever you want.
	You have your whole 20s.
	You have time to be able to settle down and have a family.
	And now, like, I have a friend who's 34 who like just ended a two-year relationship.
	And she's like, I spent my entire 20s thinking that I had time.
	And now here I am, and I don't have time.
	But I also want to revert back to, because I was seeing comments earlier and like, she has two aches left.
	Like, don't just assume that.
	I mean, the truth is that women are on a biological clock, but genetics and the way that you take care of yourself is really crucial.
	Like, they shouldn't just automatically assume because I'm 35 and I don't have a husband and the white picket fence.
	Like, there's nothing wrong.
	My best friend's 34 and she just went to a fertility clinic and she's completely fine.
	So my mom had me when she was 40 and they said her overseel.
	No one's saying that you, me, I mean, I'm 34.
	Iraqi, I'm 35.
	I turned 35 last month.
	No one is saying that any of us, because we're older, like we're doomed or anything like that.
	I just think we have this like as older women.
	I don't even want to consider myself that, but you just have this.
	And I think you've seen the comments.
	I'm like, well, don't worry about it.
	I know.
	I know.
	I think the key is.
	I know.
	I think the key is, you know, the point or the key here is this is a dating podcast.
	It's like, okay, what's the way to maximize dating towards your goals?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Are you in Miami too?
	I'm in Nashville.
	Nashville.
	Okay, so you're in a major city.
	Yeah.
	So just something to consider.
	We're communicating selection bias on both parts.
	You're in Miami, you're in Nashville.
	You guys are in the Hollywood scene.
	That's very different than the way the rest of the country lives.
	So if you come to Vista, California and go to church with me and meet all my friends and my wife's friends, you meet a dozen stay-at-home moms, right?
	My world is completely different.
	Your world is different.
	Your world is different.
	And so my advice would be maybe be open to meeting some different people in different circles as friends, not like to date.
	And that'll show you that, like, oh, no, there's actually a lot of people that still do hold to those values that you do.
	I feel like we're only talking about women who want kids.
	Like, what about the women who don't want kids?
	Well, I think we're talking about women who want to be with men that want to be that provider protector.
	And typically those women are seeking a family and wanting to have kids.
	I think most women want to have kids, yeah.
	Most kids.
	Well, like 90%.
	85% of women will have kids.
	I remember having a conversation with my dad when I was like 18, where when I was graduating high school, where I asked him, what did you want to do when you were finishing high school or actually finishing college?
	And I remember him just telling me, well, I wanted to marry your mom and I wanted to build a family with her.
	And I remember just being like a young punk-ass kid that had all these like dreams of entrepreneurship and creativity and stuff and just being kind of stumped and just even then thinking like this is the generation gap that my parents to them to just have a nice American dream life was the goal.
	And I think that to a lot of like young dudes, especially now and probably women too, it's like you want to like build something and make something out of yourself before you want to settle down because you pretty much accurately know that once you become Steve Jobs that you're going to have you know your pick of all the different women out there.
	And that mentality is, I guess in some ways it makes sense and that like if you remain single, maybe you're going to be able to work harder on your hopes and dreams.
	But I also think that it's kind of a pipe dream and for the average person, especially given how high the cost of living is, especially in major cities, it's like realistically probably the best thing that you could do is like fall in love, get into a relationship with a girl, get married, split your expenses, have a family, et cetera, once you feel comfortable financially.
	But like, you know, we just live in a society where we're constantly surrounded by people who are putting on examples of doing the other thing, which is basically like mindlessly chasing ass and, you know, highs and money or whatever for your whole life.
	And that is kind of like a weird thing that the manosphere has to sort of reckon with, which is that, you know, I think, you know, somebody like Andrew Tate being like at the forefront of the manosphere now, it's like you can't really necessarily just be pushing an agenda of like, yo, fuck as many girls as possible because Andrew Tate is out here saying like, no, that is not going to make you happy in the long run.
	And anyone who's really being honest with you is going to let you know, that's not going to make you happy in the long run.
	To me, though, it's a nuanced question of like, how long do you need to be single?
	Like, what is the ideal number of people that you should probably be thinking you might want to have sex with before you get into a long-term relationship?
	That was very profound.
	And I think what we're saying is, statistically speaking, the majority of men and women will have kids.
	What is the optimal way to build a family?
	If we're talking about dating, we're talking about relationships.
	What is the optimal way to cause the most amount of flourishing to the most amount of people?
	And what is worked through and through all these civilizations?
	I think that's the crux of what we're getting on.
	So what you're saying is totally spotlight.
	And it's not red pill, blue pill to me.
	There's a lot of goofy things from both sides, a lot of nonsense being pushed.
	But if we're talking about the optimal flourishing environments, because we're all going to eventually have kids, majority of us anyway, how does that look?
	If you're a guy, I mean, I think it's probably, you know, you spend however many years being single and sort of figuring out what you like and what you don't like.
	And then at some point, once you get into the relationship, you just take it seriously.
	I think once, as a guy in my life, when I decided that I wanted to actually treat a girl good, it wasn't really that hard for me to then end up in a relationship with her, you know, whereas when I was trying to do the thing of like trying to be this playboy or trying to like be getting drunk and fucked up and just kind of treating women like pieces of shit, then that was like, it's very hard for you to land in a relationship when you're not showing the girl respect.
	But if you, as soon as you flip the switch and start like actually treating her like you give a shit about what happens to her or how you're treating her, usually it's not that complicated.
	Well, you know what's like powerful too is we can learn from other people's experiences.
	Because I do think like you sharing your experience, Adam, like other people sharing their experience, like, hey, this is how I lived and it didn't make me happy.
	And so then I wanted to, you know, get married or whatever it is.
	I do think that people don't have to sow their wild oats.
	Like I think that is a mythology in our culture today of like, oh, when you're young, pre-promiscuous, and then you settle down.
	I know so many couples who were young and they were each other's first and they settled down and they have this beautiful life that they build together.
	Now, that's not everybody's story, obviously, but I think that we need to kind of make that normal again.
	Because right now, if you're a virgin and you get married, I got married at 30 and I was a virgin and people were like, no one was like, oh, you're so crazy.
	You're so weird.
	Like, how could that be?
	And it's like, why don't we normalize that instead of saying it's weird?
	I mean, literally, people get made fun of for being virgins, especially men, actually, which is so sad.
	It's true.
	And it should be the opposite.
	It should be like, no, let's celebrate that, not to shame people who aren't, but let's celebrate living that, people say it's traditional, but living that way because it leads to and has led to so many beautiful marriages like your parents and my parents and other people who have those role models.
	So really quick on chivalry.
	So do you think chivalry is dead?
	Yeah, but maybe I just haven't been around the right guys.
	Yeah.
	Well, to quote the great Dave Chappelle, he says, chivalry is dead and women killed it.
	Oh, harsh.
	In what way?
	Some way.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if I...
	Well, I think, like, okay, when it comes to, like, this expectation that... I think dating apps killed it more than a certain gender.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think there's a whole bunch of factors.
	Yeah.
	What's going on with you?
	I'm just telling you.
	Can you just go to the moment?
	No, I know, but like, can you not interrupt, please?
	Okay.
	Certainly, I think social media dating apps have played a big factor.
	But I think that when it comes to like, who should pay on the first date, guys doing these sort of traditional things, like a lot of women seem to just blithely assume that traditional gender roles assigned to men are something that they are entitled to, the benefits of by magical default, instead of it being something that ought to, that women have to help culture and nurture for it to be there for men.
	And so I think like, in order for you to like, you should be the type of woman that's deserving of the traditional.
	If you want traditional treatment, you ought to be a traditional woman.
	And that just comes back to our point.
	Our argument that we were having earlier is is, if you're not a traditional woman, you oh, excuse me, if you're not a traditional woman, you cannot expect traditional treatment from men.
	I have to argue with that.
	Like, I think I'm a traditional woman.
	Like are you?
	I mean, you said you've had like what?
	30 plus previous sexual partners.
	I don't think that has anything.
	You said you're what like 33 or something 34?
	I ain't none, don't listen to him.
	Yeah, you're doing great.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	Like, I go to church every weekend.
	I'm like, very spiritual.
	I know what I want.
	Like sometimes you just you haven't met the right person yet and there's nothing wrong with you, it's just yeah, there's.
	There's men out there that are that don't true, really care about body count, but there's a lot of men out there that do, yeah, if I was your boyfriend, I would let you slide.
	Thanks, all right.
	Well, there you have it.
	There we go.
	If Adam 22 was your boyfriend, you you let it slide.
	There you go, I'll let you fuck some other guys too.
	Whoa no, I wouldn't do that.
	He's not chivalrous.
	You don't want to be half everything.
	You're rich.
	I don't feel like all men want the traditional gender roles.
	I feel like if I stopped paying for half of everything, Adam would not be happy.
	Who paid for the first like was their first date?
	Did you guys do dinner for the first date?
	We went to a diner and then we went and got 7-Eleven cheap wine.
	Did y'all split the bill or no?
	I think I think he paid.
	All right, he's a gentleman, was a diner.
	Adam 22 is a gentleman.
	See I, I wouldn't pay for the first date.
	Really yeah, I don't pay for the first date.
	You expect the woman to?
	No, I don't expect her to pay for me, but I think we should split the bill.
	Wow, that's right.
	So you want a traditional woman, but then you want to do some things on traditional women in favor.
	Well, all men want like the traditional thing.
	Right, I think we have to.
	We have to give what we want to get I mean what it comes down to, but both men and women.
	The only way guys, the only way is if she splits the bill with you.
	If you want still no bodies, but you'll be a virgin who splits the bill right in my life when I've been on a first date and I pay, which is like really any like.
	If I just start talking to a girl in a bar, I'm gonna start, you know, paying for drinks or whatever.
	It's just a way of saying like look, I'm financially stable, I'm not scared to spend seven dollars on buying you a drink, or twenty dollars on a cheeseburger or whatever it is.
	You know, it's like I feel like I understand there's like a value to the, the peacocking that you're doing by paying.
	It's just like sort of demonstrating that you're not broke.
	But I do like, in terms of the principle, I like where he's going with it and it's kind of like a nice test to find out how much of the woman is just there for free.
	TGI Fridays, you know yeah yeah, I mean it's no one is there for free.
	I've never been on a date with Brian Brian.
	Well, there's there definitely are uh, women who partake in foodie calls yes, where they're.
	I've never heard this before in my life.
	Wait, you've never heard that.
	Where and maybe it's not a maybe it's not a dinner, maybe it's an experience.
	The guy's going to take her to take her to a concert or take her on some experience or fly her out, take her on a vacation, buy her, take her shopping on the first date, which is that to me is way too much.
	But as a guy, you do kind of have to be cautious of that.
	And look, I do think if you don't pay for the first date as a guy, you are going to lose some girls.
	Like, some girls are going to have an issue with it.
	I do think it's a good screening mechanism to find women who are very, that have high interest.
	They're so interested in you that perhaps even if they would prefer a guy to pay for the date, then, but they're still going to pursue it with you.
	I think women pay their dues in other ways, though.
	Like, they're getting dressed, they're doing their makeup, they're doing their hair.
	Okay, but you're not high.
	You know, I take like 10 years and all the money the girl's putting into all those things that she had to get.
	Do you know how expensive makeup is?
	Hold on.
	I thought women wear makeup for themselves and not for men.
	No, I mean, I wear makeup for men.
	Yeah.
	Oh, the patriarchy women get.
	So the paying for the first date is a sign of chivalry because it signals the dynamic, which is that I, as a man, ultimately want to be a provider, right?
	And like, I'm telling you, I'm signaling to you as a woman that, you know, if this continues, we'll fall in love, we choose to marry each other, we get married, whatever, that I want to try to provide so that you're able to have babies.
	I mean, that is a very like fundamental, natural principle that I think is beautiful.
	Yeah, and I think if we were more like in an old order sort of way, when it comes to dating, being more traditional, I think in the past, maybe you'd go on, you'd date like one or two people, and then the first, second, or third person that you ever pursued romantically ended up being your husband or wife.
	Now in today's day and age, people are going on dozens of dates, hundreds of dates.
	And it's easy to do so, you know, like you can easily go on a couple dozen dates over the course of a year.
	And like, whereas my parents growing up, I mean, it would have been pretty tough to even meet that many people, you know?
	Let me just read this one.
	Is it not going to read?
	Okay, screw this chick saying required surgery that enables you to physically continue normally in life, like your hip joint wearing out, or in my case, blew out my quad tendon.
	That required surgery for me to walk.
	Plastic surgery is the same.
	Fuck off.
	My name is Christy.
	I don't know why no one's saying my name.
	They just don't.
	This is like solipses.
	This is such a perfect example of solips.
	But I'm not trying to talk too much because apparently I'm talking way too much.
	So it was just this.
	It's just when you interrupt.
	I wasn't interrupting.
	I'm just participating in the conversation.
	No, but if somebody is talking and then you start talking, that is interruption.
	It's also pretty much.
	I think I just mansplained that, by the way.
	What's that?
	I'm participating.
	Just know someone on my phone.
	That's great.
	I have no problem with you participating, but if somebody else is talking, just let them finish their thought.
	Then you can add to it.
	So, Adam, thank you for the TTS.
	Much appreciated.
	Thank you, Adam.
	Thank you, Adam.
	Yep.
	By the way, thank you.
	That's a thank you from Christy, by the way.
	Make sure you get her name right.
	K-R-I-S-T-Y.
	Why is that guy calling you Christy Meth in the chat?
	I don't know.
	Maybe he's on meth.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Wait, okay, we were talking about paying for the first date.
	Wait, so don't you think, though, if you're selective with the women that you're choosing, you don't have to worry about women using you for a dinner date?
	Well, the thing is, though, is that even unassuming women, like women you wouldn't think are, let's say, hustlers.
	Oh, voice crack, nice.
	Like, there's some very unassuming women who are quiet and shy and introverted and like they're fucking hustlers.
	So you can't always tell.
	Interesting.
	You can always tell.
	Like, they're either, they could be really promiscuous or they're like dating a whole bunch of other people.
	So.
	Have you ever been in a situation where you went to go split the bill at the end and she was like, I'm not paying half?
	No, because I do some gangster shit.
	What do you do, Brian?
	All righty.
	Here's what you do.
	First off, you should try to do something for free.
	What?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Hold on, I got it.
	I got you, Lena.
	Exactly.
	What?
	You could do something for free, right?
	So something cheap.
	Definitely you don't do, you never do a dinner date.
	Dinner is terrible because if it's you on the first date, you want a quick out.
	Like if it's awkward or it's not going well, you don't want to be sitting there waiting for your food.
	Like that way, so you maybe you go for a drink or you go for a tea, coffee, right?
	You go to Starbucks.
	And what you do is, there's a couple different options.
	If you don't even do the free thing, right?
	You just arrive early or you arrive on time.
	And here's the thing, like most of the time women are late for dates.
	I'm just saying, I'm just saying women are typically late for first dates.
	It's a very calculated process, you know.
	So you can just arrive on time and just, she's going to be 10 minutes late.
	Right, Adam?
	You've been on first dates, right?
	They're usually pretty late.
	On average, probably.
	More so, more often than not.
	So you just get your drink.
	You go to the bar, you get your drink, then you go and sit down.
	And when she arrives.
	You don't walk up to the counter to help her get a drink.
	You're like, oh, I'm saving the booth.
	Do you want to go and get yourself a- You're not willing to buy a girl a $3.50 coffee?
	Come on.
	It's not about the money.
	It's not about the money.
	It's about the principle.
	That she'll pay for her own cup of coffee?
	She will.
	She wants to know that you're down to pay for it, too.
	It's fine, though.
	It's fine.
	The other thing is if there's like a waiter that's going to come bring a check, again, you get there on time or early.
	She's going to be late.
	And then you tell the waiter, when you bring the checks, two checks.
	At Starbucks.
	Brian, Brian.
	Brian.
	I don't think you're going to meet your future wife.
	Yeah, you're deterring the woman.
	It's going to work.
	This is great.
	This is great.
	I have saved so much money over the years being very frugal.
	That's the sexiest thing for most women is frugality, by the way.
	They love a frugal man.
	But you may have saved money, but I feel like you probably would have lost some experience some more.
	Well, but you're trying to keep a low body count, right?
	Or are you?
	You might have met a really cool girl who was just like turned off by the not wanting to pay for the coffee.
	I went on a date with a guy who was going to pay the bill, but then he was asking how much a soda cost, which is like clearly the cheapest item on the menu.
	And that just turned me off and I never saw the guy again.
	It's not about the money for me.
	It's more about the principle, you know?
	Is this what we've gotten to in dating in 2022?
	I need this diabolical plan to not pay for anything.
	No, you pay for your own food.
	Listen.
	See, Shibrily's dead.
	You're the reason why.
	You're not going to meet a traditional wife splitting coffee.
	No, I can still meet a girl.
	I can still meet a girl with a low body count and she's cool with me not paying for the first date.
	It's not saving the opportunity for someone to charge her for her own coffee.
	You never know.
	Because here's the thing.
	You want, ultimately, I'm going to guess.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	I'm going to guess or let me just ask you, do you want a woman that wants to be a wife and a mother?
	That's a high priority.
	I thought it was going to be an easy yes.
	Yeah.
	He doesn't want to get married.
	That's well then.
	And I guess it makes sense.
	And the whole, you pay for the first time.
	I could have like a long-term partner, but I'm not in.
	I don't want to get married.
	I'm strongly leaning towards yes, but I have to, of course, find the right person to have kids with.
	You don't want to marry their mother.
	What's that?
	You don't want to marry the mother of your children.
	No, because of the state of the marriage laws and divorce laws in this country, I don't think it's a good move financially for a man.
	Yeah, what if you had a prenup?
	Well, I think looking at Kevin Costner, he had a prenuptial agreement with his wife.
	I don't know the full details of it, but a lot of men.
	My understanding is prenups are not bulletproof.
	I mean, conceivably, the woman could say, you know, let's say you were having a contentious divorce.
	The woman could easily say that she agreed to the prenup under duress and therefore it's invalid.
	Why would you trust someone enough to be the mother of your children, but you wouldn't trust them enough to marry them?
	Yeah, but I mean, how many people get married and have kids with people only for it to not work out?
	But do you think that was wise?
	For them.
	Well, I just weren't a great judge of character, it turns out.
	Yeah, but I mean, or it could be the case that maybe people change.
	Can I propose something?
	Sure.
	It seems like every other facet of life, learning to drive, getting a degree, getting certified to cut hair, people have to go through some sort of process to get some sort of training and get some sort of certification.
	But the two most important decisions that we will ever make, who we have children with, and who we will marry, we think we're just going to make it on a whim, no planning, no education, no systems, no target, and it's just going to work out.
	I don't know.
	You're conservative, though, right?
	Absolutely.
	I don't know.
	That seems like a bit too much government intervention.
	I said nothing about government.
	Oh, okay.
	I think the government should be able to do that.
	Well, no, but you were mentioning like driver's license, like having a life.
	Well, you think he's just saying that there's like a longer process that goes into these things.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm not talking about the government.
	I think the church should be doing this stuff.
	I think people should be in communities where there's older couples mentoring them that are decades ahead, helping them walk through this.
	Well, look, I'm an egalitarian.
	When it comes to paying for the first date, I'm an egalitarian.
	You're an enigma, bud.
	I believe in equality.
	I mean, that's.
	I don't think that's equality in terms of equal dignity.
	I mean, it depends what you mean by equality.
	But you don't expect the woman to be a man, right?
	Or maybe.
	Hopefully not.
	Okay.
	Hopefully not.
	Shut up, Dorlock.
	Nope.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't expect her.
	No, like, obviously, there's just, there are going to be certain roles that I'm going to fall into.
	I mean.
	I mean, I get why a lot of people are jaded today because divorce rates are so high and there's so many broken families.
	But like Ruslan was saying, there are systems.
	There are things you can do to really prepare and date very intentionally to maximize the best outcomes possible.
	And people still have free will, so it's not like yourself is never going to make a mistake because I make mistakes in my marriage.
	Like, you're going to make mistakes.
	But by really preparing for marriage and really getting to know the person that you're going to marry before marrying them, get to know their community, their family, all these things, I think it makes sense to take the risk for the sake of the kids, too.
	The risk of saying, yes, I'm going to commit to you for life no matter what.
	Sure.
	Well, I mean, just to bring it back to the paying for the first date thing, as a guy, like if I'm first going on a date with a girl, I don't know her yet.
	So I don't know if she's worth it.
	In the same way that women are not obliged to sleep with a guy on a first date, I feel like I'm not obliged to pay on the first date.
	Paying for someone's coffee is like sleeping with them?
	No, it's obviously different, but I don't personally see the understand the pushback against equally investing into the start of a relationship.
	And just me personally, as a preference, I do, I actually like it when women simp for me.
	Like, I like it when a woman is that into me.
	In fact, it would be not only should it be split, I think it's better if she pays for me.
	That's some G, that's some gangster shit.
	I think part of it.
	No, I like it.
	Every single girl here, I don't know about you, but all of us, at least four, can agree that we disagree with you.
	I think part of the things that society has normalized is kind of like marriage isn't what it used to be.
	I think people don't take it seriously.
	I think 53 years of no-fault divorce in the United States has been completely to our detriment, where people kind of just like enter a marriage and they feel like they can get out anytime that they want.
	So I think that having no value of marriage leads people to think that like, oh, well, I'm looking at marriage as like a contract.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I mean, I guess if I could determine if a girl was actually like if she was traditional, let's say, she had a low body count, she wasn't promiscuous, she was feminine, etc.
	Under those circumstances, I'd be much more open to paying for the first date.
	However, like if I'm dating a woman who's 30, she's professional, she's got a career, like to me, the whole reason men used to pay was because women were not like out there making money.
	But if I go on a date with an attorney, and actually I think I did back when a long time ago, if I go on a date with a woman who's an attorney, let's say she's out earning me, why ought I to pay for her under those circumstances?
	Do you want her to stay an attorney working full-time when she's the mother of your kids and just do that continuously?
	It depends my financial situation.
	I think I'm in a financial spot where if I decided to have kids, I would be able to provide and have her just take care of the kids.
	I would be able to do that.
	But if I wasn't, then I might be more interested in her continuing to work.
	Meaning you'd be the breadwinner and she would be the, and you take care of the babe.
	She'd be the breadwinner, excuse me, and you take care of the babies.
	No, no, I mean, very few women would be satisfied with that arrangement, but do you want to?
	I wouldn't, no, not really.
	Although it would be kind of fucking awesome to like, if she's just rich like some billionaire heiress, yeah, I'm going to quit my shit.
	But then she doesn't have to work.
	She could still be the mom.
	Okay, fair.
	Stay-at-home mom or mom.
	I'll be the stay-at-home mom.
	Not that you can't be a mom.
	And saying that it's hard when you're in her hand.
	Can you give us five minutes?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we'll wrap up here.
	I know we're going a little late.
	Speaking of kids, let's get home.
	Yeah, Thank you for your guys' patience.
	We'll wrap up here in just a sec.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	There's a way to tip the scales in your favor in a marriage, man.
	That's all I want you to know.
	Yeah, I'm just like, I've heard some absolute horror stories of men just getting divorced.
	They're financially ruined.
	And it's just brutal.
	And I've also, I sat in, I went to family court once.
	It was like a small claims case, and we were waiting for us to get to the small claims stuff.
	And prior to that, there was a family court proceeding, and it was a divorce proceeding involving custody of children.
	And it was the most depressing thing I ever saw.
	These two people who I suppose previously loved each other to be so cold towards each other and fighting over the kids and just the financial component.
	I don't see what can I get from marriage that I can't get from a long-term girlfriend.
	But I think that just why who you choose is so important.
	My mom works for a law office that deals with a lot of divorces, and the stories that she comes home with sometimes are so disheartening.
	And so, yeah, sometimes it makes me a little nervous to get married because it's like, is this what it's like?
	But I think who you choose is just super important.
	I look at Megan Markle and Prince Harry, they're the perfect example of why who you choose to marry is so important.
	I guess, but I mean, how many, like, what is the divorce rate?
	How many people going into marriage think, yeah, we'll probably be divorced and inevitably they end up divorced?
	I think no prenup is going to save you if the woman is motivated enough.
	But Brian, you're still going to have custody issues even if you don't get married.
	So, like, you're not going to escape the brokenness.
	And I would just say, like, if you go into it expecting the worst outcome or fearing the worst outcome and that sort of like organizing how you make your decisions, then I do think you're not going to set yourself up for success ultimately.
	I mean, I think that's just being smart, though, is recognizing the potential risks.
	I'm sure there's plenty of men that got married who, after the fact, after their divorce, are like, maybe I should have thought that through a little more.
	Well, definitely think it through.
	I don't think, I mean, that's risk-like.
	I don't know.
	I don't think you should ever sign a contract with somebody who's rewarded for breaking it.
	I never really put that much importance into marriage, but then we had a kid, and all of a sudden, it just felt so much more important.
	Like, oh, I actually am going to spend the rest of my life with this girl.
	Like, I should make it official, you know?
	That just kind of, once we had the kid, it just seemed glaringly obvious to me.
	Whereas I was kind of in the same spot where I just didn't see a reason to, you know, involve the government in my relations and never could have imagined myself doing that.
	Yeah, look, and if other people want, from a religious perspective, I have no issue with marriage.
	I'm more so, and this is something I'd love to see conservatives doing because I feel like conservatives are definitely more on the side of men than liberals are.
	But I do think there ought to be a look at the marriage laws and the divorce laws to perhaps better protect men when it comes to, there's alimony, community property, just there's there's a lot of potential negatives when it comes to marriage.
	I'll just say this last thing on marriage, and then if anyone has a final thought, I'll give it to you, and then we'll wrap up.
	I would say, if you're, as a man, you're dead set on getting married, the least that you can do is make sure of these three things.
	She does not have a child from another man.
	She does not have any cluster B personality disorder or other mental health issues.
	And she's either a virgin or has a low body count.
	I think those are probably the best circumstances for marriage.
	I'd agree.
	Well, but I would just caution: if you're going into it without striving for goodness and health yourself, it'll still be a train.
	It can still be a train wreck, even if she's all those things.
	So it just, it always takes two to tango in a marriage.
	Like, you have to both give everything you can to be the best and to be the healthiest.
	Yeah, I guess like kind of my one of my issues with marriage is that, and I know a lot of people, again, from a religious perspective, no issue.
	But your religion does not exclusively preside over your marriages.
	The state presides over your marriages.
	Not biblical values.
	I mean, they do, but like, ultimately, if a woman is unhappy in a marriage, she goes to the state.
	She doesn't go to God.
	So I guess that's my ultimate.
	She probably goes to God first.
	And then if that doesn't work, then she gets divorced.
	I think she's praying not to get divorced.
	Can I ask the girls here, last thing?
	Have any of you broke up with a guy because you were bored with him?
	Be honest.
	No.
	I think that's a valid reason.
	I've never broken up with someone from boredom.
	No.
	For sure.
	I've stopped talking to girls because I just got bored.
	It's like the most reasonable thing.
	There you go.
	What if you get bored in marriage?
	Anybody, final thoughts before we wrap up here?
	I just want to say that, like, I feel you when you're citing your stipulations for marrying a girl and like low body count or whatever.
	But what I'll say is that it's the intangibles when it comes to a girl because I can say that I have been at the lowest points in my life and she was somebody who, you know, was just there for me 100% of the time, cared about resuscitating.
	Oh, yeah, this is.
	What is that?
	It's getting me weird if they're not.
	Yo, Nick, I think it turned the lights off in the bathroom or something.
	Has that been?
	That just started, right?
	I think it's the fan.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, wow.
	All right.
	Sorry, anyway.
	My point was just that, like, the value that you can get in a relationship or whatever is like, there was just times in my life where I was going through the hardest shit possible and like she cared for me as if it was herself going through it, you know?
	And like, that is like something that if I had been like when I met her, like, oh, you got a couple dozen bodies or whatever, so I'm not going to take you seriously, would have been like a catastrophic mistake in retrospect.
	So I would encourage dudes out there just to not write a girl off just because she'd been around the block.
	I was the one who drove the whole prenup process.
	So it's like, not every girl's just there to like take your money and leave when you're down.
	And like, I don't know.
	I just feel like there's like all these scary.
	got a lot of money too but then also yeah but it's like i have the same prenup lawyer as britney spears So I just want to throw it.
	And Kim Kardashian.
	Yeah, you did good.
	But I don't know.
	I just like, you know, you're saying, like, oh, did you ever leave a guy because you're just bored?
	Like, is that what you really think girls break with?
	Oh, that's the number one reason that girls break up with guys.
	But it does happen.
	But I feel like guys break up with girls because they're bored too.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I think it's a pretty good reason, you know.
	I've just never done anything.
	If you're just not interested anymore, then I mean, it sounds like it's probably, I mean, you could work on it, but you might not.
	I feel like maybe that's what guys got when the girl's telling her why she's breaking up with them.
	He's like, oh, she was just bored of me.
	But like, maybe she was making some really valid points, but he was not hearing.
	Yeah, I would just add there's a book called The Good News About Marriage, and it dispels this entire myth that there's a 50% divorce rate when you actually look at the numbers.
	That was never actually a rate.
	That was a projection when no fault divorce passed.
	But the real divorce rate is around 38%.
	Why?
	When you factor in people who make above-average income and get this practice their faith and attend church regularly, the divorce rate falls off the cliff completely.
	And I think there's something to that.
	Do you know what it falls down to?
	I believe 15%.
	People practicing born-again Christians or Catholics who attend church take their faith seriously.
	It's between 10 and 15%.
	It's better.
	My last word is: marriage is awesome.
	But as Isabelle Everslin, a lot of people said at this table, it's about trying to be the best you can be, serving God, serving other people, and then dating really intentionally, you know, not dating for lust, not dating for just hanging out, but dating it for is this someone I could marry ultimately and striving to be the kind of person you'd want to marry.
	I also wanted to say just like one last thing.
	I always had like a just like a slight bone to pick with like open relationships because I just thought they were kind of fake.
	But like talking to you guys today, like I can tell you your guys' relationship is really real.
	You know what I mean?
	Thank you.
	And like about like the, what Lila said, there are like 92% of non-monogamous relationships are failures.
	And like the number one factor to that was if you didn't have a healthy relationship to start with, but you guys really seem like you do have a really healthy, happy relationship.
	We also don't really have like the typical polyamorous relationship where we're like, you know, oh, it's Friday night and she's off banging some dude and I'm banging some girl.
	You know, it's like that.
	That's what I picture when I think of the average like open relationship.
	And I do definitely imagine that those have a hard time lasting.
	You know, for us, it's more of an on-camera thing.
	But yeah.
	Anybody else?
	Anybody else?
	Since everyone cares about rates so much, I don't know why they don't understand the ratio thing, but that's why I have to say that.
	Definitely, we got to end this episode on the ratio.
	That's why I'm so interested in racial because it's a decimal thing, and you turn decimals into percentages, and so that's where ratios start.
	I'm just saying, don't understand why a lot of things seem very hypocritical.
	That's where I'm going to end.
	And the YouTube shorts editor who can put together the best ratio talk compilation from this, we will all gladly comment and engage because we all are looking forward to seeing that.
	Hit me up on all of you.
	Absolutely.
	Hell yeah.
	All right.
	Well, oh, we have one last chat here.
	We have Scott.
	Females on the panel need to stop talking about divorce like as if it was a 50-50 initiated act.
	It is not.
	Females overwhelmingly initiate divorce 80%.
	They keep the kids 50% of what the man has worked for.
	If marriage is so important, sign the prenup.
	At the very least, get a prenup.
	That's a strong recommendation.
	Okay, cool.
	Especially if there's a big imbalance in terms of income.
	Because we know couples who got married when they were both on the same level, like broke, and then one person ended up making millions of dollars per year while the other person basically stayed broke.
	And man, that person really wishes they had a prenup.
	So if there's any kind of like potential differential going into the future for income, that's when the prenup really becomes important now.
	I think, but there's certainly probably some women that are going to have an issue with signing a prenup.
	And OnlyFans is the rare situation where the woman might end up making a hundred times more than she was making at the beginning of the relationship.
	Just a reminder, prenups are not bulletproof.
	If you're motivated enough, you can maneuver around it.
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