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May 9, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dating Talk #72

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Okay, without further ado, after that thoroughly long-winded introduction, as usual, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
Go ahead.
My name is Avery.
I'm 28, and my occupation is OnlyFans.
Welcome back.
My name is Farha.
I'm 24 years old, and I'm a TikToker and OnlyFans creator.
Okay.
I'm Nikki.
I'm 18, and I work at a warehouse.
I'm Rosie, and I'm 19, and I work at a Mexican restaurant.
My name's Ali.
I'm 20 years old, and I am a physical therapy aide, as well as a kinesiology major at Cal State San Marcos.
I'm Nev.
I'm 20.
This is my business card.
It's bone, and the lettering is silly and real.
I love something called that.
I work at Pet Sport, and yeah.
Oh, and I'm majoring in law.
You're what?
Majoring in law.
By the way, you're way too far from the microphone, so they're probably on mute.
Eric, can you pull up the chat?
We need to do something's dropping.
How's the audio on her?
Could you guys hear her?
She's really far from the microphone.
Yeah, you can scoot the microphone a little closer towards you.
All right, I'll get closer.
Yeah, do it one more time here.
And while you're at it, since you're co-splaying as Patrick Bateman from American Psycho, why don't you give us the whole monologue?
You guys ever hear of Huey Lewis in the news?
Continue.
No, dude, I don't know.
That's it.
That's all you got?
I know that, like, do you like Huey Lewis?
I don't like Huey Lewis in the news.
Their early work was a little too.
Which album do you like?
New Wave for My Taste.
New Wave for my taste.
Hey, Paul.
That's my favorite part.
Where's your axe?
Okay.
I can't bring an axe.
is California is that is that actually a dude yeah dead ass look Look.
And it is silly and real.
It is full.
Is that actually a business card, though?
Yeah, it is.
visions dog shit here look at i don't remember this part Okay, cool.
I'll keep that.
You go to UCSB, right?
No, I don't.
Oh.
I go to CC.
Oh, what do you study there?
I'm studying in administration of justice, which is basically a precursor to law.
Okay, very cool.
What about you?
My name is Aspen.
I'm 27 years old.
I'm an ER nurse, and then I work at a pro-life clinic.
Okay.
My name is Kylie McGahey.
I'm 21.
I do modeling, but mainly I am Michael Sartain's full-time girlfriend and cat mom.
Okay, cool.
Apparently, I'm the mystery guest.
I don't know if I'm Sneeko or Destiny, but surprise, bitches, I'm Mia Khalifa.
What's up?
No, I'm Michael Sartain, and I am a performance coach, and I host the Michael Sartain podcast.
Age?
Oh, I'm 45.
45?
Oh, wow, you look, I thought you were younger.
Yeah.
And did you, sorry, Kylie, did you say your age?
21.
21?
Mm-hmm.
You're 21?
Mm-hmm.
Really?
Okay, okay.
Justin?
Justin Waller, Construction Real Estate, 37.
All right.
Oh, Rolo Tomasi, author of the Rational Male series of books.
I am just turned 55.
Okay.
Sweet.
All right.
We're going to go around the table once more.
So what's your current relationship status?
Are you single, friends with benefits, talking state, situationship, relationship, harem?
And longest, what's your longest relationship?
Concubine.
Go ahead.
I'm so single, and my longest relationship was four years.
I'm single, and my longest and only relationship was three years.
Oh, my.
My longest relationship was four months, and I'm single.
How do you say that?
Straight into the middle.
I've been like, how did you know?
How do you wake up and see the same person every day and be like, wow, like, well, I'm single, but I am talking to someone in my longest relationship.
Well, situationship was seven months.
A little closer to the mic.
My longest situationship was seven months.
Can they hear me?
Longest situationship.
Situationship.
Was seven months.
A seven-month situationship.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I'm in a relationship, and my longest relationship was about two and a half years.
Okay.
I'm exclusive with someone right now, and my longest relationship was two years.
My longest relationship was probably longer than four years, but I don't know if it was five, because it was on and off a lot.
Current relationship status?
Single.
Single.
And I've been single for like six years.
Been single for six years.
Okay, we'll talk about that in a sec.
I'm in a relationship, and the ones before that didn't matter.
With the guy next to you.
I forgot about him.
Okay.
And I suppose, Michael, it's the same for you.
Yeah, I'm in a relationship.
I think my last relationship was like three and a half years.
Okay.
Yep.
And Justin, what's your current relationship status?
Wouldn't you like to know?
And seven years.
Longest is seven years.
Is that your current, wouldn't you like to know?
Not my current, wouldn't you like to know?
Okay.
Do you have a couple girlfriends or do you keep it a mystery or what?
I keep it a mystery.
Okay.
All right.
Man of mystery.
Okay.
And Rollo, what about you?
Despite popular opinion, and contrary to that belief, I've been married for coming up on 27 years now.
27 years.
Yeah, closed on her end, closed on my end.
Okay.
I think it's going to make a comeback at some point.
Closed on both ends.
Okay, got it.
So no spinning plates.
No, no, no.
No plate spinning.
Okay.
Got it.
Okay, cool.
So I just want to address a couple things here.
Just Aspen, right?
You said you've been single for six years.
What did you tell me in your Instagram message?
You said that nobody has caught your eye.
Was that it?
Yeah, there's been one.
Closer to the mic, please.
There's been one person in probably close to six years that I thought there would be like a chance with.
Can you elaborate a little bit?
Yeah, I mean, I feel like there hasn't been any guys approaching me.
There's been nobody that I felt like was really trying to be in a relationship with me.
I'm not on the dating apps.
I don't want to be on the dating apps.
I have been on them before, but they were just depressing and I hated it.
And then Somebody reached out to me and I talked to him for a little bit and then he said to me, I can't find anything wrong with you.
That's what he said to me.
I can't find anything wrong with you.
And then it was, he didn't want to hold me back type of thing.
That was the one guy in the six years that I actually had feelings for.
And so I am.
How many?
Do you guys went on dates or?
Yeah, we hung out.
What's the period of time that you guys spent together?
Probably like three or four months.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's a somewhat decent amount of time.
Yeah, it's longer than some people's relationships.
And it wasn't.
But it wasn't a relationship.
It was never like official, but it was like we were talking consistently and I enjoyed it.
And it was like I was like growing feelings for this guy.
And then actually what happened was he went out of town and I took his mom out to lunch.
And I was like, I'm going to have your mom tell me everything about you that you haven't told me.
And then that was like too much for him because he was in a relationship for like a long time.
And anyways, that's like that kind of, I think it was moving too fast for him.
And so okay, so you've been single basically for six years.
You say nobody's caught your eye.
So there's been no men that have shown interest in you or just of the men that have shown interest in you.
Like I don't, I don't get messages from people.
I've had a few guys nothing in person?
Well, I work in the ER.
And so there's a lot of heads just like trying to hit on you while they're getting resuscitated.
Yeah, that happens.
That's okay.
Yeah, old guys, whatever, like they make comments and whatever.
But, you know, I'm there to do my job.
Paramedics?
No.
Not one.
Not one firefighter.
Not one paramedic.
No, I'm serious.
If you were attracted to him, you would give them your number at work.
If I was attracted to him?
Yeah.
Yeah, I would.
But they didn't ask.
They didn't follow me.
I thought you were there for your job.
But if the right guy came in, you'd give them your number, right?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, definitely.
So I'm just waiting for that to happen.
So going forward, how do you want to meet a guy?
Do you want to meet him by complete accident?
I don't care how it is.
Every time I go on the dating apps, I'll spend like three days on it, meet a like, you know, match with people, which it's hard for me to swipe right on somebody.
But I don't, I don't think that they're serious.
I don't, you know, at least the guys that I match with aren't serious.
So who, like, what do you see in a guy?
Like, what do you want?
What do I want in a guy?
All right, guys.
Let's talk about this.
I love how the girl with a four-month-ever relationship is going to fix it for you.
Thank you.
Take a try.
Please do.
I'm enjoying it.
A lot of people have types, and a lot of things work for other people, and it don't work for other people.
No, for sure.
Run it.
He has to love the office.
It's like a priority for me.
I love God.
What?
Hold on.
Go ahead.
The first thing I love.
I'm kidding.
Oh, girl, I thought she'd like to your office.
I don't know about the showed office.
Yeah, it does.
I want him to love the office.
I want him to love the office, Michael Scott.
Yeah.
And if he doesn't, he's a psychopath, obviously.
Thank you.
So I have some people that agree with me.
I have to say that.
That's like a.
What?
No, sorry.
Wait.
What else?
What else does he have to have?
What's the criteria?
For me, the criteria.
I need somebody that loves God and takes that seriously.
And that's really how, like, going to church every day.
Like, for me, it's not about church.
It's about a spiritual connection that he has with God.
That's what it is for me.
A relationship with God.
It doesn't matter what religion.
If he's Hindu and you're Catholic.
Yeah, he needs to love the Bible.
So, yeah.
That's what I want.
And can't be a Buddhist?
No.
Hindu?
No.
No.
I see.
Yeah, so that's what I want.
Are you waiting until marriage?
I am now.
Huh?
She is now.
She's reformed.
To have sex.
Yeah, I don't want to have any kind of sexual relationship with anybody before my marriage.
Okay.
But you have had sex before.
Because you said you are now.
Okay.
Yeah.
Do you think that's going to make it harder to find someone who's willing, like willing to wait?
No.
What is it about now?
Do I think it's someone that is willing to wait?
Well, I think that's going to help me weed people out.
Well, I mean, it's clearly it's working.
Oh, so that's I should go sleep around?
No, no.
I'm not saying you should.
I'm just saying that that's going to definitely filter out.
Yeah.
And that's something that I take seriously, and I think that it has filtered a lot of people out.
Like, I don't, that's not a boundary that first before.
No.
You don't tell them on the first date that you're not going to be able to do it.
No, I wouldn't even.
Naturally, God comes up in conversations that I have because it's such a personal part of my life.
But it's never like, are you a Christian?
No, not your religious conviction.
The fact that you will not be partaking in sexual intercourse no matter how well the dealer is.
No, I don't know.
I don't start off with that.
But at what point do you inform the guy that that's the case?
Maybe like this second or something?
Yeah, probably around then.
Do you really believe her?
I'm just, you know, Your Honor.
You think I'm lying?
Counselor, I'm just trying to.
I don't know.
I don't think you're actively lying.
I think that if he sat in front of you and you really had strong feelings for him, you would do it for sure.
Sleep with him?
Yeah, you would.
Especially because it's going to take that kind of dude for you to want to marry him anyway.
Like, he's going to be a bad boy.
He's not going to be some punk that's like, oh, let's read the Bible.
Well, then again, it's not.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
We'll cross the bridge when it comes.
Yeah, you'll cross it hard.
What's that?
You want to find out the hard way?
Or you want to find out before marriage is going to be a little bit more.
Find out what.
I love the drink.
He's going to get in bed.
If what?
If he's good in bed, that's what she says.
Oh, I'm not worried about that.
Are you not worried about that?
No, I'm not worried about that.
Why the fuck would someone be worried about whether or not someone's good in bed?
That doesn't really.
Like, you should judge people based on the content of their character, not whether or not their dick works.
Oh, it's right here.
I'm not saying it's just.
Is that something that you take really seriously?
Like, they have to be good in bed.
And, like, it has to be the first time.
If he's not good in bed the first night, then you're just going to.
Hold on just a sec.
Mike Davis donated $200.
There we go.
Michael Sartain is the type of dude to steal your watch and help you look for it.
This is girl.
It's a seeking arrangements paid actor.
Great to see Waller, one of the brightest, based minds walking the planet.
Send regards to Tate for me.
Yo, Mike Davis, thank you for the big $200 donation, man.
Thank you so much.
By the way, if anybody's curious, Eric, could you swap the angle?
This is Mike Davis here.
On your show.
He's like one of our longtime supporters, so we have a photo of him in the studio.
That's him in his Burger King outfit.
He owns like 300 Burger Kings on the East Coast.
So thank you for tuning in tonight.
Michael, do you have a response to?
Oh, no.
Kylie, you're a paid actor.
Did you know that?
We're not in a relationship.
None of this is real.
Wow.
I guess it must be difficult for him.
Where's my money?
Where is it?
Where's the paycheck?
I'll be sure to tell Tate hello, and I still have my watch so far.
Yeah, actually, I just wrote Tate right before this.
We started the show.
So, yeah, we'll say what's up to him for, Mike.
And I'll stop my Burger King for you.
Wait a minute.
300 Burger Kings?
That's a bad boy, though.
That's impressive.
Low-key, can I have a crown?
Can you ask him for a crown?
I'm going to be flying soon.
I want the Burger King crown.
Isn't there like 300 Burger Kings being shut down, though?
Like around the U.S.?
Oh, no.
I think so, right?
Gosh.
Specifically, the Burger King crown.
I'm going to be going on a flight soon.
So are you like, are you looking for guys at Bible study or are you still looking for them on Tinder?
Because you mentioned Tinder just a little while ago.
I was on Tinder and I'm like, I'm looking for him anywhere.
He can show up anywhere.
Like when I would spend the time on Tinder.
Tinder's where you default to or?
When I'm sad.
I'm like, man, like nothing's happening.
And so I go on there, create my little profile, you know, get a little attention.
And then I'm like, this is not how it's going to happen.
Like, it's not going to be on Tinder.
It's not going to be on this.
Have you ever besides the apps?
Like, have you ever walked up to somebody and been like, hey, like, I think you're cute.
Like, this and this and that.
Like, have you ever tried that?
Or do you?
I think that I'm just naturally friendly and outgoing.
I'm not going to go up and say, like, hey, I would say, hey, we should hang out sometime.
But I would never say, here's my number.
You should have hit me.
No, not like that.
So you're not a direct person, so you're an indirect person.
Sure.
You have a question?
Yeah, I do.
I do.
Okay, I was in the bathroom for this, so maybe I'm wrong, but maybe instead of Tinder, you said, like, into the mind.
Yeah, Christianity is something.
Oh, Christian Mingle.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
No, no, no, no.
Christianity is something you value.
Why would you not do Christian Mingle?
That was where the fucking thing is.
You think that I should do that?
You think that I should do something?
No, I'm just curious.
No, I'm just curious.
What is your rational?
He's not wrong, but I'm curious.
What is your rationale?
Oh, gosh, man.
This is going to be...
Do you not see the corner you've painted yourself into?
I painted myself in a corner.
Good, this is good.
Let's help me.
Okay, look.
No, but he's helping you.
So why would you not choose Christian Mingle?
I'm just curious.
I think, so my brother actually got married to his wife on Tinder.
And my, I have friends.
I know other people that have like had success on Tinder.
A lot of girls I know like really like Hinge and Bumble.
No, they don't really like Bumble.
Okay, listen.
Okay, sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
My bad.
So I was in the bathroom, but instead of going on Tinder, why don't you just, if Christianity is something you value, why don't you just go to a church?
Find a good man in the South.
I don't know.
Go to a church to find someone that you like.
Justin?
I don't know.
More.
More.
Okay.
I don't know.
I feel like for this.
No, I feel like for this, like, she wants somebody who's also going to kind of match her in other areas as well.
So she doesn't want somebody that is just like, oh, Christianity, Christianity.
Right, but it's fun.
But she also wants somebody to match it with the other things that she does as well.
Like, what else would you like to do?
For example.
No, listen, listen, right.
But it's been six years.
I don't think she can be that stocky at this single forever.
27.
What do you mean by that?
27.
I know.
I'm running out of time.
You're just getting into the appointment.
Well, no, I think she should put her foot in the door or whatever and then experiment maybe with people depending on what she likes.
She's going to do things the right way, right?
She doesn't need to do anything.
Yeah.
She doesn't need to do any of that.
Yeah, she doesn't need to do anything.
What's changed between the time you were like 23 and like 27 now?
Why is this now a sudden change for you?
Well, I've been single for so long and I'm like.
How long is Long?
I was probably 21 or 22 when I broke up, when things ended.
I went to nursing school and then...
Have there been guys between then and now?
There's been one.
One that I had.
Well, relationship-wise, but like, I mean, like, one-night stands, anything like that?
No?
No.
No.
Even all that time on Tinder?
You've never done one-night stands.
No, I've never done a one-night stand.
I would never do that.
Good.
Ever.
Ever.
Have you tried Christian Mingle?
So why do you want to do that?
Okay, he wanted to ask you.
I haven't done Christian Mingle because I farmers only No, should I try that?
It's worth shot.
Just a little bit.
I don't want, like, first off, I don't want to.
We're giving you a seat, two seat boosters just because to bump you up a little bit.
Here, just pass turf you can.
Me?
It's too short.
Bro, what the fuck do you mean?
I'm 6'5.
Clearly.
It still looks like she's sitting down.
There we go.
Okay, cool.
Christian.
I'm sort of melting into the seat, man.
So are we trying to fix this problem for you?
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay, cool.
You don't know what the fuck you want.
So let's start right then.
You clearly don't know what you want.
You're not going to know until it slaps you in the face.
I think that you should date guys and run around telling them you're not going to sleep with them.
It's probably not going to help, but because I do agree with her that sex is going to matter to you.
You can say it doesn't matter, but like, no, I didn't say it didn't matter to me.
Yeah, I'm, well, you looked me in the eyes and you told me that.
And I said, she said.
She said that why would anybody would not matter?
She said, yeah, it matters.
I think that that's really important.
Why am I being married?
Jesus Christ.
Why do you think that's the why it doesn't matter?
I don't even know what the fuck I said 30 seconds ago.
Okay, okay, what did I say?
What did I say?
You said that sex doesn't matter because you're going to judge based on character.
You should base, yeah, you should judge based on character.
Like, what makes you say that you're good at sex?
Well, my thing is, like, yeah, sure, sexuality has a lot to do with, well, somewhat to do with compatibility, but you should really base someone, like, base your judgments on whether or not someone's good, you know?
Whether or not someone makes you laugh, whether or not, blah, I don't know.
Maybe you're not too familiar with that.
Maybe I'm not too familiar with that.
Perfect is boring.
I want to make a guess.
I want to say that.
I'm not saying why.
I'm not saying relationships because they're attractive, not because they're perfect.
My thing is when she had first stated that, she didn't say that all she was looking for was sex.
Well, I don't know.
She didn't say that.
She's personality children.
She was just saying that if he, like, for example, if he has a two-incher and it's not pleasuring her, and it's like, come on now.
Here we go.
All right, now we're off to this.
But look, look, but look, look, if he had money, you guys would be all over him, wouldn't you?
Okay, but would you like to?
No, okay, then why are you thinking about it?
You want to know what I mean?
Because I make my own money.
And I don't need a guy to be there in my life when I, like, what?
Justin, what do you think of that?
Which is why you'll be alone the rest of the time.
I realize.
But you know what?
No, that's not true.
Straight into the mic, please.
You want to know why?
Because I need a guy that I know will have my back.
Just like some kind of Bonnie and Clyde thing.
You know, he has my back, I have his back.
How do you making a bunch of money help him have your back?
Yes, because he'd be running his own thing.
I'd be doing my own thing and I'd be gentle.
So why does he need you?
Just like a 50-50.
So why does he need you?
And then why?
You want to know why he needs me?
Because a lot of people, a lot of people feel like, you know, there's always like that childhood side in you that you don't feel like you fulfilled enough.
And if you have enough money, you could fill that in.
And a lot of rich people say they have too much money.
Totally.
Which is the problem.
But how does that make you attractive to a man who would then want to be with you?
Do you understand the problem?
Well, I don't need to be attractive to a man because why would you not need to be attractive to a man?
It does help.
But then again, I've had so many exes that told me that I'm ugly.
That I've told, that I've like, I have been the ugly best friend where my best friend has been kicking up every single guy that I thought was cute.
And I was sitting on the side and I was jealous.
You know why?
Because I was ugly.
Because I fixed that.
You can change your appearance and you can change how you feel.
Your self-confidence and you wear it.
People would like that.
You wear it on your shoulder and in your sleeve.
Like, yeah, I'm that self-confident person.
Then what do you say would matter to me?
Your ex-boyfriends were calling you ugly.
They always call me ugly.
Everybody while they were dating you.
Like, I mean, yeah, I have been cheated on.
I have been the side bitch.
I have been the main bitch.
I have been the bitch that you've cheated on me with to make somebody else jealous.
I've been through it all.
But, you know, sleeping with a guy at the end of the day, you know, he doesn't care what you look like.
I have been left for a pretty long time.
Which is why I'm not just going to sleep with you.
But you know what?
At the end of the day, I moved on my own.
I did my own thing and I kept moving forward.
And I made my own money and I still, like, what?
I'm not.
Like, I make my own money and they always come back to me.
Going back to what you were saying, or one of you, you said, how does money make you attractive, right?
So if you're a successful person, right?
Are you really going to date somebody who is like, I'm not saying below you?
Are you talking about a man?
Yes, a man would date a woman who makes no money.
Yes.
A man, a man who is a man.
The three of us in university.
When you look in the chat, I do not care because your money is your money and our money is our money.
See, that's for you guys.
People my age, I have met guys that they don't want to do that.
They want to date girls.
If you find a guy that cares about how much money you make, you should leave the date immediately.
Exactly.
And that's what I have done.
But like, all the guys that I have met that I have talked to, they care about that type of stuff.
Those are fucking balls.
You know what?
I can't imagine that.
All this is.
Man's head around.
Because their trophy, what's it called?
Participation trophy generation is not interested in being successful.
So they think it's okay to live like that as a man to where they're going to, like, I'm concerned with how much money she makes.
I've dated women that make $300,000 a year and women that make nothing.
It doesn't make any difference to me.
It matters the attraction levels that I feel and the femininity that I get and the loyalty that I get in the relationship that I get, not how much money she makes.
On the other end, have women judged me based on my level of success, ambition, and how much money I make all the motherfucking time.
See, that's all they do.
See, for me, for me, because I have dated so many guys that, for example, my last situation ship that I was with for seven months, for seven months, I spent 5K on him, okay?
So because I have already been through that, I kind of, I know, it's terrible.
But I gave her a lot of money.
I don't know why.
I told her her man.
She makes a down payment.
I reality checked her.
I actually, I reality checked her.
I told her every single week that she kept working her nine-to-five job, she was spending half of that on her boyfriend.
Her boyfriend would drive all the way over to her.
She sounded like somebody else.
She had a situation would drive all the way over to her.
And then she would pay for everything.
And then he would still use her.
Okay, but I gave her.
Explain to you, sir.
We're not going to get it.
Knock it out with her.
Okay, okay.
But my thing is, because I have already been to that, I kind of want somebody at my level or higher where I can know that if we go on a date, if we go on a date, I can know that he can pay for his half or he can pay for mine and we can alternate.
Like, of course, I'm going to pay for that.
Don't date dudes that don't take the whole bill.
Like, don't date a man that will not, like, I refuse to get a relationship.
Well, I feel like relationships can be fixed.
Hypothetically, when on a date, there's no fucking way on earth you would pay the bill at all.
Like, ever.
Everyone, because it's a man's job.
And that's okay.
But why?
You just don't.
It is a man's job.
You want to say a lot at your level or not?
At my level or higher level.
No, higher, higher.
You want to look up to him.
Because if you don't look up to him, you think y'all are equals.
You're going to be a little bit more than that.
That's hypocritical.
Because, like, for you guys, no, it's not hypocritical.
You're a man.
If the girl that you guys are dating has nobody cares.
Yes, of course.
You guys wouldn't care about that.
If you're asking if there's a double standard, yes, join the Marine Corps.
There's a double standard.
There's a double-s joint.
That's okay.
There's a double standard.
That's okay.
I feel rude.
feel as if like okay if i'm gonna expect this from this person i'm gonna expect it for myself and if i don't do that i feel like well then how about you do that as far as like honesty and loyalty is concerned But you don't need to do that as far as finances because we didn't ask you.
That's what I was going to ask.
You're not sacrificing anything.
It's a trade-off.
So what strings come attached without paying for the bill?
Like, what do you expect out of the woman you're dating?
Are you talking about like a first date or something?
In general.
Nothing.
Be pleasant.
Be my piece.
You know?
Eventually, down the road, there's probably going to be sex and then there's loyalty.
And then that's it.
You know, like, there's no obligation.
That's why I'm not going to be able to do that.
I wish I found somebody else.
There's no obligation.
Look, I don't know if you can get it.
Nowadays, I get born with that.
But that's the point I'm trying to make.
Are you happy with that person?
I think Justin's talking about a first date.
We're talking about a first date right now.
No, no, no.
I don't mean sexuality.
So she gives you everything, right?
So she gives you everything, right?
She cleans the house.
She watches your kids.
She pays, you know, maybe half the rent.
Maybe once or twice.
No, she doesn't.
No, she doesn't.
Half the rent.
Let me just lay this out.
This is from my point of view.
So she pays half the rent.
She takes care of everything.
She drives everywhere.
She takes you sometimes everywhere, right?
And you still cheat on her.
Why?
You're asking us why we cheat on people we haven't cheated.
She knows it provides loyalty.
Out there, like there's tons of people like NLE Chopper, like Nick Cannon, who cheat on their baby mamas.
Oh, I think those women are fully aware.
I don't consider that cheating.
If you have a baby with Nick Cannon, why do they continue to hop onto the next female?
Because those females don't make them happy.
I have a lot of people who aren't.
Nick Cannon is a terrible example.
Because the girls are having sex with the guys.
That's why.
Okay, but have you guys ever thought about it like with guys?
What about Krishan Rock?
Krishan Rock was so damn bad for Blue Face.
That's a low title.
She's had a woman.
No, These are two men.
That is not a low-value woman.
That is a person that was a victim of manipulation of the falling in love.
Why do females fall in love?
Answer my question.
When do females fall in love?
It has to do with oxytocin relief.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And after that point, they become crazy.
After that one night where they cut over you, they fuck you and they sleep with you.
And after that, you're crazy.
You think sleeping?
Why the fuck?
Like, don't sleep with that dog.
You have that option.
You openly.
There's street whores and there's house whores.
There's two different types of females in this world.
Obviously.
I think there's more than two.
I wouldn't consider.
I don't know about street whores and house whores in that side.
I see you three as housewives.
And I see myself on the streets.
You know why?
Because the man that you're with that you think will provide for everything.
You sit out.
Would you like me to tell you why you're worrying about it?
Would you like me to tell you why you think of yourself?
I have pride in my man cheating with you because you think that brings you up.
No, I just honor you.
But you always have to have that constant fear that your man is cheating on you.
No, I don't.
I trust my man.
Yeah, why?
Yeah, you trust your man until one day some girl texts you.
Hey, is this your man texting me?
And then guess what?
You're going to blow up on him.
You're going to hate him.
You're going to kick him out.
And you're going to start all back over because of the best.
Yeah, you just said you're going to kick him out.
A street host, I don't need a relationship.
I don't need a relationship.
Every guy that I have ever slept with, I am a direct person.
Just like how she answers.
You know why you're sitting in a house?
She's an indirect person.
You know why you don't need a relationship?
Because I don't rely on that.
Because you have become the man you want to have a relationship with.
Exactly.
And that's not a solar dude.
That's not a solution.
You're the guy.
It's not your masculine.
You're looking up randomly with people.
Yeah, okay.
You're taking advantage of men's feelings the same way that you're.
No, because before I sleep with you, I always tell you what.
Every guy that I have ever had slept with, I always lay out the facts.
Listen, I don't like you.
I like you for this type of period, and we can have sex.
Yes, and yada, yada, yada.
I will never chase you.
Do you think that's a good thing?
I don't need a healthy relationship.
I'm commuting.
It's clear that you do not need a healthy relationship.
And tell me what I dislike and why you don't need a guy.
He doesn't need to find out whether he needs to fuck me or not.
I can just tell him you could fuck me.
Okay.
Whatever.
Okay, the reason why you're attracting these terrible males is because you're presenting yourself as a low-value woman.
Based on the stuff that you're saying, they're terrible males.
Okay, no, no, okay, okay.
But the people you're like, oh, I always have to worry whether or not he's cheating on me.
The reason why you're getting those people is because you're presenting yourself as a low-value woman.
Your ideals are all off the walls.
Okay, and you're putting it as if it's a, oh, girl power moment.
Why do you think you feel?
Well, that's the way you're presenting yourself.
Okay.
Okay, and if you're presenting yourself like this.
You did call yourself a street.
Okay, if you're presenting yourself like this to us, then what do you think they think of you as a nigga?
I don't care.
I will let a guy pay like I would let a guy pay for everything.
I'm black.
What are you talking about?
No, I said you have the card.
We were joking.
I was born with it.
I don't need to.
I have a question.
She didn't apply for the card.
I got a question for you.
Important question for you, how long have you had the neck tattoo?
This yeah, how long have you had that spider?
Can you, can you turn to the camera?
So the camera can yeah, just do a little turn, show them.
No, that is good ink, though.
So how long have you had that tattoo?
I think a year.
Has it had an impact?
When it comes to dating, I don't think she needs help, because actually, actually it fixed a lot of my dating.
It's actually it saved me from and my self-evaluation.
I used to be with guys that used me for money.
I was in a two-year relationship.
I wouldn't even count it a relationship.
It was a situationship of two years.
I was dedicated to their life, like he was dedicated to somebody else, and so it was a situation between me and him, because he was dedicated to somebody else and I was dedicated to him.
So a situation who was the one with the seven month age situationship was that you okay, let's give uh, you a little opportunity to talk.
Let's talk about your seven month situationship.
Did you want something more or were you happy with oh?
No, I wanted something more and he didn't, or um?
So he said he did.
He's in the military red flag automatically.
But anyway, excuse me, maybe not just reduced me, i'm sorry what, but no, it was a red flag and um, but yeah.
So basically I wanted, I wanted more, I wanted to be together and I made that clear multiple times all the time um, and then he basically had told me that he was gonna be um, he was gonna go somewhere else, a different state, and when he came back he wanted to make it official.
Well, we had broken up five times in the middle of the seven month period um, and I would always, I don't know, I was like in love, but I, I think I feel as if I was just, maybe just comfortable with the person and um, I pretty much was just like you know, like I want to work this out, this and this, and that I felt like I was the problem.
But then, after our last breakup and I found out that he was already with somebody um, his best friend had called me and basically told me that he had already moved in with her uh, so I was like okay, that's cool.
So after I heard that, I literally just like all the feelings just went away so quickly.
Um, I started just like doing me, saving up, just working all the time.
It was just like just trying to make sure you're not just yeah, that's pretty much what i'm doing.
Um, but recently I just like met somebody and I have been talking to him for a while but i'm still I still kind of have like that uh emotional, like attachment wall kind of up, because I feel like I don't want to get close to a person because I feel with me I get attached so quickly and if I do that, I feel like i'm just gonna get hurt again.
So it's more of like the trust issues I like I have.
It's terrible right now.
So, but yeah, I did want, I did want more, but he he obviously didn't want that.
I think this is good.
I think this is gonna be a really good like turning point for you in your life, because you do deserve somebody that cares about you and doesn't treat you the way that that guy treated you.
But also you need to see your value as a woman and that's what i'm trying to do.
Yeah, that's honestly what i'm trying to do.
Um, I was always fixated on this like I need.
I feel like I was fixated on always like oh, I need a relationship, I want somebody to be there for me.
I want somebody to have my bag.
I want, you know, somebody to just like be able to talk to and like lay my head with.
Next to like, everybody can have that.
You can have this.
Is it a spider?
What is it a spider-man?
Like a dirty spider-man costume?
It's snakeskin.
Okay, my bad um okay, just curious.
Um here, let's I.
I think it gets later, so okay, just kind of going back to when it comes to relationship status, you're single.
I proposed to you last show.
So we're you, we are engaged.
I'd just like to remind you um, just that's kind of rude that you say you're single, Excuse me.
So you were on the show two months ago, is that correct?
Yeah.
Any situations springing up in that time period?
Any infidelity?
No, actually.
I've tried.
I've tried to go on dates.
I've been going on dates, but oh, yeah.
I've been going on dates, but it doesn't really get past the first date.
It doesn't get past the sexual intercourse?
No, I've been staying.
I have not been having sex.
Really?
I'm really trying.
I'm really trying to date for marriage now.
Huh?
What kind of OnlyFans do you do?
I've done everything.
So wait, what do you mean now?
This is a really important question.
Right now, is there guy-girl content of you and another dude that's up that you're selling while you're looking for another dude?
Yes.
You understand how that might be a conflict?
Yes.
I don't necessarily tell them that right away.
Okay, if you start seriously dating another guy and he asks you specifically, he doesn't even want you to take your whole OF down, but he wants the guy-girl content of you with another dude taken down off your page.
Would you do it?
If I felt he could be my husband, yeah.
What would he have to do?
What would he have to be to be that high?
Like, you know what?
I think I'm going to take down my OnlyFans.
I'm waiting for like that rom-com moment where I'm like, oh my God, I've known you my whole life and I haven't felt that.
But if I felt like that.
Do you understand how any man with any boundaries whatsoever is not going to find that acceptable?
Like, do you understand that?
Like, I'm not trying to be judgmental.
I'm trying to be as non-judgmental of you as possible.
There is no fucking way that a dude is going to be there.
Like, oh, what does she do?
Oh, mom, check it out.
She sells porn of her fucking some other dude on her OF.
That's going to be a problem.
You see what I'm saying?
Bro, unless you find a cuck like Sneeko, you're not going to pay any management.
Yo, yo, do not talk about already.
They are.
Yo, I do not co-sign on that.
No, disavow.
All right, okay, unless you find a cuck.
I don't think someone's.
Speak closer to the mic, please.
Unless you find a cuckoo.
I'm not going to talk shit about people you guys talking to the microphone.
Unless you find a cuck.
No, because Sneeko's on his way over here.
Sneeko's on his way over here.
You can sit in the chair over there.
No, he needs to you, so you can say that shit to his face.
No, no, no, no, but he sits in the cuck chair.
You gotta understand.
You gotta sit right there.
All right, but unless you find like a cuck for someone who really doesn't have respect for themselves, you might not find a good man.
You'll find a man, but you might not find the man you're looking for.
I mean, you're really pretty, honestly.
Like, I'd hit you.
She would hit.
You know, look, it's really hard because my mom tells me this all the time.
But I just, I love like working for myself and making a lot of money.
And this is the way that I. You gotta get away from that money.
Show the tats.
All right, all right, we'll show the tats.
Yeah, so this is the way that I found to do that, to make a lot of money and just do whatever I want.
But at the end of the day, I do really want love.
So you're aware of the conundrum that you've put yourself in.
Just to hide it, you're not being delusional about it.
Like where are, like, on the list of things, like, OnlyFans, finding love, marriage, where's the marriage and the finding love at?
I mean, you say you want a relationship, right?
I do.
I want to find love more than anything, but like to quit OnlyFans, you know, just hoping that that's part of anything.
Also, I think I do hope that who, like, if it's my person, like in the movies, you know, if it happens, like, I'm the most incredible person in the world to them, right?
So I would think that they would not, that they would love me no matter what.
That's what I would hope.
You know what?
You realize that's a fairy tale, right?
I know, I believe in fairy tales, and I don't know if it's going to exist for me.
Don't you want a guy that says, get off of that?
Yeah.
That would mean like you don't deserve that.
I mean, is that what you want?
Is that what you're looking for?
I don't know.
I don't, I don't want to do nothing.
That's the thing.
you don't have to do nothing like i said nothing on only fans or nothing like no like i don't want a man to just be like all right i'm gonna save you and then give me all this money and then i just sit around doing nothing like i do Do you want to have kids?
Like do you want to build a life with somebody?
And that's something I don't really.
I don't know yet how that's going to work.
I don't know how having kids and doing OnlyFans.
I haven't thought that.
You're OnlyFans?
OnlyFans?
OnlyFans?
Only fans.
Hell no.
Just you two.
That's it.
Just us.
You know what?
There was somebody.
We'll pull up the video really quick since it's topical.
So you were on the show last time and we asked if we'll go around the table really quick on this.
Just a question, guys.
We're going to have you see if you would date the following guy.
Eric, could you pull up Zach really quick?
What is this?
I'm going to pull up.
This doesn't apply to the men at the table.
Unless you would be, okay, so would you date this guy?
He's a very nice guy.
His name is Michael totally hit it.
Eric, scroll down.
Yep, his name's Zach.
He keeps getting better the further you go down.
It's Jesus.
Very doing Smasher Pass.
Have you met my Lord and Savior?
He's got some good flow in his hair.
And you know what?
He actually looks good when he doesn't have a bad thing.
He's got an axe.
He's like capable of defending you.
So there's that.
Just really quick, we'll go around the table for the girls.
Would you date him yes or no?
Yes.
Hold on.
Again?
Yes.
Would you go on World of Warcraft raids with him?
Stop that.
Yeah.
I've already seen the episode.
Just.
Yes or no?
Would you date Zach?
No.
Not your type?
Okay.
No.
I wouldn't.
No, but we'd be best friends.
You'd let him buy your dinner?
Is that what you're saying?
Yes.
I think I would, but like, he should play better games like Fallout.
That's a good one.
Skyrim's pretty good, too.
I agree on both flashes.
Fallout's fucking face.
You want to see my text too?
Yeah, mad.
Would you date him?
It's a no from me.
What if he's down to wait till marriage or whatever?
And he's Christian.
You meet him at Bible study.
That's not worth waiting for.
No, it's not going to do it for me.
I mean, you got a boyfriend sound if you'd.
Hell no.
Hell no.
Okay.
So, Eric, go back.
Pull up his profile again really quick.
Okay, his name's Asmund Gold.
He's like all the way to the top.
He's probably one of the top Twitch streamers.
He makes millions of dollars a year.
He owns some companies.
He only has 110,000 followers, really?
He's huge.
Twitch doesn't translate to Isaac.
He's huge on Twitch.
Yeah, he's huge on Twitch.
I should revise my statement.
He makes millions of dollars a month.
Does that change the calculus at all for any of you?
No.
Chad, World of Warcraft gamer, like he's a Chad gamer.
I mean, like, top-tier gamer.
I mean, I don't see what the problem with dating gamers is.
Like, I won't date a guy unless he plays video games, because then we don't really share a lot in common.
Priorities.
Well, yeah, well, okay, yeah, my priorities are kind of fucked.
But like, I want someone to play video games with.
Like, I want someone who's actually good at Dark Souls, you know?
Like, not someone.
Elden Ring?
Yeah, I want someone who can get past the tree sentinel.
That's all I'm asking.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
I beat his ass 50 times.
Now, does that change your mind about this guy?
The Tree Sentinel.
So he actually saw us on the previous stream.
Did you DM him?
Did you slide into the game?
I'm a little shy about that.
I'm a little shy about that.
So I followed him on Twitter, and I was like, maybe he'll see that I followed him.
But he didn't follow me back, and I'm very shy to DM a guy first.
Because what if I get rejected?
That could have been your guy.
And you just.
So should I?
Probably.
Post a picture of yourself with the name.
Get rid of the jacket behind you if you can.
Just put it on the ground or something.
Okay, moving on.
You're single.
Rest in peace.
R.I.P.'s in the chat.
What's going on?
Like, because here's my question for everyone else who said they're single.
What does being single actually mean?
Because someone can say they're single and be sleeping with like three dudes, you know?
So, like, what, when's the last time you hooked up?
When's the last time you've been on a date?
Like, got after it.
You're single, right?
Yeah, I'm actually a virgin.
Huh?
Do you have the Myron soundboard where you say that's cap?
I have a different one.
Okay.
Yes.
And you're doing OnlyFans.
Yep.
A virgin.
So you're not doing like porn on OnlyFans.
I'm not having sex as a virgin, correct?
Yeah.
What is happening right now?
He's blind.
I think that's amazing.
Because you probably have a lot of guys that would be trying to get after you, especially because you're automatically.
Is that because of a religious?
Is that because of relationships?
You've set a boundary.
If I was religious, I don't think I'd be participating in OnlyFans.
So no, it's not for religious reasons.
You wouldn't be the first one to say that.
That's what I'm just going to say.
It's like a lot of girls will be like, gosh, I forget where we saw this recently, but it's like you go around the table and you got all these girls who say, you know, I believe in God, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And yet they're on OnlyFans or they're doing a lot of.
I try to remain relatively consistent.
I'm just incredibly picky when it comes to...
So it's not a religious thing.
You're just like, I'm just.
No, it's just a visceral sense of pickiness.
How old are you?
24.
Can you describe an incident where it got close and it didn't happen and why did it not happen?
Like for you, you're 24 and you've never had sex.
So like what happened where it got close and you decided to not do it?
Because you're saying you're not a virgin for moral reasons.
You're a virgin because you're picky.
So I'm just curious, did anybody even get close?
Or does this whole idea of sex just not seem appealing to you?
And before I have you answer that, Justin, just really quick, you think she's telling the truth?
I think it's the truth.
Not a bit, man.
I'm pulling for her.
I hope she's telling the truth.
Okay.
So do you want to answer Michael's?
Sure.
It could still be for moral reasons, just not for like conventional religious reasons.
Like I personally just don't believe in biting the bullet and just participating in hookup culture.
And even though it might seem inconsistent that I'm on OnlyFans, well, holding out for me, it's very consistent because I just hold to my own moral compass in the sense of doing what I want to do.
And if I meet someone I'm in love with, then...
But do you ever make out with a guy who's hot and heavy and then something stopped you?
Does that...
Or does no guy even get that far?
I would say guys have definitely pursued.
I think just because I haven't done it, it's very easy for things in Rust to stay in Rust because there's no muscle memory for it.
It's probably harder.
Is that Isaac Newton?
Yes, it is.
It's a three laws of motion.
You purchase Isaac Newton for a vagina.
Respect.
It's respect.
No, it's not.
You said that about it.
Principia written in 1689.
Yeah.
So I'd imagine it'd probably be harder for you because you have that muscle memory or that like remembrance of what it was like.
That's what I'm asking.
Have you even gotten that far?
Have you made out with the dude and considered having sex with him and then you stopped yourself during the night or have you not even gotten that far?
We haven't even got to first base with the dude.
Elsa, is this a born-again thing or are you proper virgin?
I'm a proper virgin.
A proper virgin.
Yes.
Brian's intrigued.
Do you understand what I'm asking?
Like you haven't even gotten to first base.
Like the dude hasn't even made out with you or you thought about having sex with him.
I've had the desire, but the desire isn't congruent with my like mental desire, if that makes sense.
Like I've had like the bodily desire for it, but I have a completely independent thought process.
Yeah.
Totally get that because I'm a virgin as well.
Stop the cap.
Okay, okay, bro.
Okay, there is this one time.
Okay, there was this one time with my uncle, but I did not.
Oh, shit.
I can't say shit.
Like, I was kidding.
It was a joke.
really fucked up joke, and I'm sorry.
There was no time with my uncle.
He's in prison.
Not because of me.
But it was a joke.
Let's move on.
Okay.
Wait, so question.
Are you waiting until marriage or it just the right guy hasn't come along?
I'm just kind of a hopeless romantic.
Like, I just want to be in love, and I'm not sure if I have yet.
And for me, if I even kiss a guy at a club who I'm not into, like, I'll go home feeling disgusted.
I'm sorry, that's my question.
You haven't answered.
Have you kissed a guy at a club?
Have you kissed a guy on a date?
Like, do you understand?
I'm not trying to cry too much, but like, Virgin will just call that getting all the way to home.
Have you even gotten to first base with the dude?
Because that would actually be a completely different story that you're telling.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
First base hasn't kissed a guy?
Yeah.
Yes, I've kissed guys.
Not frequently in that setting, like that one-time setting, because the few times I have from that sample size, I just personally don't feel good afterwards, like kissing someone.
And kissing someone.
Even on a first date, I have to go on at least three dates to kiss someone, to be honest, to feel okay about it.
And then has anything ever gotten further than just kissing someone?
It'd be uncouth to give you a detailed sexuality.
That's why you have the right to do that.
Well, my point is, like, for some people, there's like a mental fixation where they're just asexual.
That's what you're starting to sound like.
You're just not interested in sex at all.
No, that's not true at all.
Like I said, I have a very strong bodily desire, and in the moment, like, I could totally see myself enjoying it.
It's more so I know afterwards I won't feel good after it because if I don't feel good after kissing someone, it felt good in the moment, then I think sex would be, you know what I mean, a way bigger bullet.
Can we just have you pull your hair behind your put the hair behind your back?
Your hair?
Are you trying to see my cleavage?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Not me, like the chat's been asking for.
No, no, it's good for business.
It's just like, you know, I'm just like, I'm looking out for you.
Like, I pulled up your OnlyFans here just like to check if there's anything that could discredit your claim that you're virgin.
Oh, you bought all my content for research.
Well, I didn't buy it.
I'm just like on your blank page because I don't pay for OnlyFans, but you only have eight posts, like hello, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, a lot of it's in the messaging, you know.
Hey, do you write your own messages or do you have someone write your messages for you?
I script the messages.
Most people go on my OnlyFans to like debate me, so I respond to a lot of people.
This is incredible.
Yeah.
She's found a business model by like, by being the virgin OnlyFans content.
Virgin OnlyFans girl.
I don't really brand as virgin because I feel like it conflicts with the OnlyFans image.
The virgin thing is a relatively planned on not coming out with it for a while.
I can't use that, actually.
I think I was saying the same thing.
Like you could piss dudes off and get them to pay to debate you and call you names.
I think that's a great way to make money.
That's what we're doing now.
Me, Brian Roloid.
Do you think that being on OnlyFans is limiting you from finding the guy for whom you will eventually want to actually have sex with?
No, I mean, it's all subjective.
You could say that, you know, me not wearing a hijab, you know, I'm cutting off a section of men, me being brown.
There's men who probably won't like me for my race.
I'll just find a man who has congruent values with me.
I'm not going to tailor my lifestyle to like a subsection of red-pelt men.
So if you have an OnlyFans and you're a virgin, and you just explained to us that you're waiting for like some very high-quality guy.
I didn't say high quality.
I said.
Okay.
So what would be your ideal guy then?
High level of chemistry.
When you say high value, you're probably relating to income, height, things like that.
High value, but I mean like it's high enough to sort of be your ideal guy that would be the guy that you would want to have sex.
I don't know if we have the same metrics of ideal.
What do you mean by ideal?
No, I'm just asking you.
What ideal is that or ideal that you would want to have in a guy so that you will have sex with him?
For me, romantic chemistry is incredibly volatile.
It's not based on any barometers of like, oh, he's in school, he has this career or anything.
So it could just be random dude off the street.
100%.
I am not hypergamous at all.
I think you're probably way more hypergamous than you think you are.
Yeah, I completely.
In fact, you are so hypergamous, you won't have sex with a guy until the guy is the guy that you're looking for.
Of course.
And then if I had had sex with guys and then they were, you know what I mean, made less than me, and then you'd say, oh, because we broke up, it proves that none of those interactions counted, right?
So I can't really walk.
I'm going to tilt the microphone a little tilt it other way.
There you go.
I think the fact that you are a virgin right now just proves a point that you're high price.
Like to a very high degree.
The fact that I'm abstinent means that I'm waiting for someone richer than me.
No, no.
So you're confused with hypergamous with this idea that women are bad.
Hypergamy doesn't mean women are bad.
When did I say bad?
I mean, did I even imply that?
Yeah, you are the one who's saying that he, you're putting words in his mouth.
Just asking what would be your ideal enough to give.
But where did this notion of women being bad come in?
No, no one is saying that.
Yeah, but you're saying to him, you're putting words in his mouth about what he's going to say next after you have sex and that he's going to judge you.
And that's not what we're saying.
Hypergamy is just an algorithm.
It's an evolutionary adaptation that women have.
It's not a negative or positive thing.
Like you said, it's not negative.
I'm not sure if it's an evolutionary adaptation.
I think the reason women have historically been hypergamous is because they were barred from higher education.
So obviously, the average man was going to earn more than them.
But by 2050, we're going to see a total reversal of hypergamy.
Hypergamy in the world.
We're going to see a game.
Hypergamy during the Pleistocene epic was because of barred from education.
In general, you can't really deduce anything from hypergamy historically because men on average have just made more than women, but now women are out-earning men.
Hypergamy exists in money.
Hypergamy has nothing to do with money.
They just, I'm just telling you, studies have shown about that.
No, you're 20 years ago.
I'm going to explain what you're doing here: you are conflating hypergamy with the values and the monetary set and status of today.
Whereas when we talk about, well, when I've talked about hypergamy in the past, it's not a social construct.
It's not something that's been created.
It's something that is innate.
I'm using the current definition of hypergamy, which is that women date someone with a superior sociological or monetary background.
Sociological.
Socioeconomic background.
Socioeconomic background.
Yeah.
No, because when we talk about hypergamy, it's not just about money.
It's not just about status.
It's also about like, is this guy arousing enough for me to want to get with?
Is he a hot guy?
Is he the dude that I want to get with because he does it for me?
That's what I was asking you.
I'm not asking you, like, how much money does he have to make?
I'm just saying, what's your ideal that that guy would get in there?
Who would be the guy that would make you, the OnlyFans virgin, want to have sex with this guy?
Wait, I'm confused.
Can you clarify your definition of hypergamy?
You're saying now that.
Yeah, hypergamy is very simple.
It's alpha fucks and beta bucks, okay?
So it's, is this guy arousing?
Is he sexual?
Is he a good genetic match for me?
Is he somebody who turns me on?
Does he have a strong jawline?
Is he six foot tall?
Is he got a V-tape?
Or does he have a six-pack abs?
Does he turn me on?
There's the arousal side of that.
And then there's the beta bucks side, which is the provisioning, protection, and parental investment side of it.
So what you're focusing on right now is just that one single side.
What I'm saying is, what combination of all that would be the guy for whom you would want to have sex with?
Right.
And I don't think I can give you, like, on paper a list of traits.
Like, I personally don't value height.
I don't value physique.
For me, like I said, romantic chemistry is incredibly volatile.
So the last guy you were with was, what, shorter than you, taller than you?
I'm not going to get into details of it, but I've been attracted to guys who are my height or shorter.
I genuinely don't care.
For me, I'm hypergamous, maybe in the sense that I want someone with intelligence.
That's not a bad thing.
That's not a bad thing.
I haven't implied it's bad.
I'm just rejecting the premise that I subscribe to hypergamy.
It's not a subscription.
So let's just say you don't subscribe to it, but the supposition that you made previously was that it was somehow cultural and it wasn't genetic.
So we've put that to bed over 40 years ago.
The study of evolutionary psychology, Dr. David Buss's first study in 1989, where he looked at 37 different cultures, in all 37 cultures, women wanted men taller than them.
In all 37 cultures, men were more interested in casual sex than women.
In all 37 cultures, women were more interested in men who were better at provisioning.
This is not a fun.
And these cultures had no attachment to radios, television, or film.
They had no attachment to others.
So Papaya, New Guinea, or Papua New Guinea, sorry, and the Andes, they had absolutely no contact with each other.
In all of these ones, men on average had 90% higher upper body muscle and 50% more lower body muscle.
And when you look at all these things, these are genetic.
These things are not a function of culture.
So that's a mistake to think that hypergamy is something that's created because men created some sort of patriarchy that created a hypergamous situation.
That is not the case.
Well, I think we were just using conflicting definitions of hypergamy.
I was referring to socioeconomic background, which is the same thing.
In your discussion with him, that's easy to do.
In your discussion with him, but in my discussion, because my podcast is on evolutionary psychology, there is no evidence whatsoever that the concept of hypergamy comes from culture.
Just like my heterosexuality does not come from culture and what people are attracted to does not come from culture, we've proven unequivocally, unassailably, it is genetic.
Now, there's variations within a culture, what some people find attractive as others, but in all 37 cultures, they found symmetrical faces and signs of youth to be attractive.
An average, in general, men who are taller, not necessarily six feet tall, some places don't use the imperial system, but not always, but generally, men who are taller than women.
And in all of these different cases, the men who are more competent, an allegory or an analogy for competency in 2023 is money, whereas there was no money during the Plasticene epic.
Competency is now referred to as money.
The ability to garner resources, that's what's most important.
But there's no point to your point before, let me just stop right there.
There's no science behind the idea that it's cultural.
There is none whatsoever.
Because there would be some culture where it wasn't the case, and no such culture has ever existed or currently exists.
Right, and you're using a very multi-dimensional application of hypergamy.
Of course, people are attracted to competence.
I was referring again to socioeconomic background.
Competence can map onto a lot of different facets.
It can mean earning more.
It can mean competence in helping you as a woman take care of you, but that doesn't translate.
Like, I kind of want you to give a more clear definition of what you mean by hypergamy in the multi-dimensional sense.
Can I combat that?
Because, so you're saying that you think that socioeconomic is cultural.
Like, that's standard for us, not just looks, not taller, or anything like that.
Repeat the question.
Okay, so say you're a woman who makes a lot of money.
You would date a man who makes less than you because we've led that out of our culture, right?
Women have the access to higher education, things like that, and we can make more money, correct?
Yeah, we're seeing like a reversal of hypergamy, at least in the socioeconomic sense, yeah.
So, and that's your standard for yourself.
Like, you think, like, you would not date a man who makes more than you, whatever.
Oh, it's not that I wouldn't.
I'm saying that's not like the cardinal reason I'm attracted to someone is not based on wealth.
So, you don't think it should be?
I don't know about should be.
I don't know about adding morality to it.
I think you should do whatever you're, you know what I mean?
You should first do what you're attracted to.
What is the cardinal reason for you to be attracted to somebody?
That volatile sense of chemistry.
And that's usually usually based on a shared sense of intelligence or humor.
And if I find that in any person, for me to meet someone in a way that's not a good idea.
So, the guy could be 400 pounds and you would still find him sexually attractive because he's as funny as Danny DeVito or Jim Carrey.
Well, funny and smart.
Isn't that what you're saying?
Yeah.
For me, it's about wits and humor.
I see.
So, all the fat guys in the audience right now are like, man, I just got to brush up on my stand-up routine.
I have found overweight men who I'm very attracted to because I find them funny.
And some people might say that they develop that humor to kind of make up for their looks.
You realize it looking at your Instagram right now.
What?
You realize the chat's probably digging up your Instagram right now.
Good for them.
But yeah.
Okay, that was a bunch of word salad.
Can we talk about something else?
You got to get closer to the microphone.
That was a bunch of word salad.
I think you're really intelligent, by the way.
But can we talk about something else, bro?
We've been on this for like 20 minutes straight.
I think we heard every third word salad.
Can't we talk about something else?
Because we've been on this for 20 minutes straight.
Did you hear that one, Michael?
Okay, here, we're going to do, we're going to shout out everyone on Twitch.
Eric, could you pull up the Twitch?
Jeremy, we'll get to that in a sec.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
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And then let's get a couple soup chats in while we have it.
So we have karma here.
I'm going to re-trigger this.
Karma, I told you to leave the business card in your pocket, Nev, goddammit.
What?
Huh?
Oh, shit.
Sorry, my barbara.
Word.
Okay.
And then that's going to take a little second here to pass through.
I got to wait for it here.
We have John Galt with the $101.
Thank you, John Galt.
I'm going to have you read this one, okay?
Go ahead.
All right.
So, Rolo Tomasi tells men to get vasectomies, avoid marriage, and family creation.
Terrible advice.
Manosphere is equally as dysfunctional as the blue-haired feminists who hate men and childless cat ladies.
Look to Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro for better advice.
Your response?
Yeah, well, first off, that tweet was, let's just say, tongue-in-cheek, first of all.
And then, second of all, if I told you to go jump off a cliff, are you going to go do that?
If I told you that the fastest way to make a million dollars was to steal it, would you disagree with that?
If I told you, see, the thing is, the problem that I have with Twitter and a lot of the social media stuff that's going on right now is you can't open your mouth on social media without it being advice.
You can't go on a show.
You can't go on Instagram.
You can't go on Twitter without people saying, you're giving advice.
You're trying to influence me to do something, rather than actually having some sort of thought experiment.
Now, when I was talking about that, when I brought that up, I was bringing up the idea of what makes a high-value guy and what is the quickest way, the quickest path from point A to point B.
So, would that not be these days?
Simply don't have, don't get married.
Do not be concerned with family creation.
Focus on your mission, whatever that happens to be.
And yes, I said get a vasectomy.
Now, I'll tell you what's funny is when people come out me and they say, oh, Rolla thinks that we should all go in and sterilize ourselves.
And I'm not telling you to do that.
I'm not saying go get a fucking vasectomy.
If that's what you want to do, fine, go ahead and do that.
But it's not an influence.
I'm not influencing.
I'm just saying, look, this is the fastest way for you to protect yourself from having children if that's where you want to be.
So, guys who don't have those accountabilities, they don't have those liabilities, those are the guys who are going to outperform the guys who are already tied down by those things.
Whether or not that's a moral issue or an ethical issue, you can go take that up with Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro all day long if you want.
We got one here from Zentians.
Thank you for the Hunter Man to the ugly 305.
Not sure who this is directed towards.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you ever even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone is dumber for having listened to it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
No idea.
Well, that's right.
Well, well quoted.
Well quoted from the movie.
Well done.
Well done.
Billy Madison.
Is that it?
And then we have, we have, let's see here.
We have Wiley50.
Thank you for the 100.
Avery, go for it.
Good for you, Avery.
Sex is something beautiful between a husband and wife.
Sex outside marriage is pointless and cannot be blessed by God.
You're 100% correct.
Stay faithful.
Shalom.
Wait, but you didn't say that.
Wait, I did have sex, bro.
Yeah, you didn't say you're waiting until marriage.
Now I'm like trying to chill out, but I definitely haven't done that.
You said you were dating for marriage.
I'm dating for marriage.
Dating for marriage.
I have had sex.
Yes.
Yeah, you're not.
You've cheated on Brian.
Yeah.
You've cheated on Brian.
No, no, not since I've seen you.
Oh.
I've been a good girl.
So.
All right, right.
If you say so.
Okay.
All right, we have Roman here, CHF.
Thank you for the 100, man.
Really appreciate the support.
Go for it, Avery.
Some of the people at this table are barely able to form a proper sentence.
Looks do matter, but so does language, among other things.
Greetings from Switzerland.
Thank you, Roman, for the donation from Switzerland.
I don't know if you're in the French-speaking part or the Swiss-German-speaking part, but much appreciated, man.
Thank you, Mercy Buku.
Donkeyshine, if you're, I don't know if that's the same in Swiss German.
But okay, Jeremy, thank you for the big $200 super chat, man.
Thank you.
Do you want to read this one?
You assume that's about me?
I'm the Mia Khalifa from Wish, in your eyes?
Yeah.
Not my words, Jeremy.
Well, considering you're related to Destiny, why don't you take a shot at that one?
The Mia Khalifa from Wish came here with an agenda.
She's Destiny's little lapdog.
Destiny went on a world tour calling them trafficker.
Shout out Justin Waller for helping men level up real G. Do you have a response to Jeremy?
That I'm here as Destiny's lapdog.
No, I actually told him he's not allowed to watch this on stream right now.
I don't know if that's you, but you told him he's not allowed to watch.
Yeah.
Why is he not allowed to watch?
I don't think that's.
Is that a FinDOM play?
What's going on there?
Oh, I just said, because he probably would have watched it.
Because you want him to watch it?
Huh?
Why would you not want him to watch it?
Yeah.
I don't know.
We're friends.
I was like, I want to see how I do first.
I don't really know.
It's not that deep.
I was more interested in your response to the Wish Mia Khalifa thing.
If you have thought like a rebuttal, maybe more like a Walmart version.
I've heard everyone.
You want to say something back to Jeremy?
I'm flattered that he paid $200 when he only needed to pay $100 to get your attention, right?
That's more directed at me.
That's more directed to me.
I'm just of Middle Eastern descent and not be Mia Khalifa.
I think she's kind of like the guns of the rap.
She's going to ruin the archetype.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like one archetype.
Other people, there's a lot of people who look like that.
And then he also said something to Justin here.
Shout out Justin Waller for helping men level up real G. Do you want to say something to Jeremy, Justin?
Yeah, man.
I appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Jeremy.
Appreciate it.
And then we have Dayvon Jackson here.
Thank you for the 100, man.
Good to see you back.
Michael, me personally, I wouldn't take that level of disrespect.
Oh, well.
Oh, well.
Did I miss something?
Was someone disrespecting Captain Cappy?
We're good.
You just said it a lot.
So Mike and Sherry heard him.
It was a joke.
Like, don't, it's not that serious.
You can pull that up.
It's really not that serious.
Go ahead, Eric.
You can pull it up.
Avery, if you want to read this one, go for it.
Translation.
She's got a business model of catering to fat, unhygienic midgets who all think they have a chance to crack the code.
Tate 101, she ain't slick.
It's all part of her tactics.
Waller, take over the mic like the alpha you are.
You're the reason I'm watching.
Now.
No pressure, huh?
So you believe that males are alphas?
No, Justin's an alpha.
You're an alpha?
This is Justin.
That's what Michael.
I know we all look alike, but this is Justin, right?
Why you don't think there's such a thing as an alpha male?
No.
Why?
Not really.
Do you think there's such a thing as an alpha female?
No.
Hey, out of curiosity.
I feel like there should be somebody who should pull the weight and somebody who should be.
Okay, so you're idolator.
Obviously, a relationship is a scale.
So, you know, if you feel like you're investing too much and that person is obviously pulling away, so what is there any reason for you to pay for?
Hold on, guys.
Hold on.
Thank you, man.
Brian, first off, great panel, at least on the male side, very based.
Question for the girls on the panel.
Who are your role models in life?
Second question: How many of them came from a broken home?
P.S. Brian, you thought the $200 price tag was stuck.
Bad ZXC.
Thank you, man.
Really appreciate the 200.
By the way, guys, just a reminder: if you want to direct your donations to Streamlabs, just so we don't, you know, YouTube doesn't take their 30% woke cut.
Here, let me just pull that one up.
I guess I'll retrieve it.
Wait, there was a question for the girls on the panel: who are your role models in life?
Besides me and Khalifa?
And second question: how many of them came from a broken home?
Okay, that's.
I can answer that for you.
Avery, confirm or deny broken home.
I did not come from a broken home.
We'll go around really quickly.
My parents are not together.
Just broken home.
Is that broken?
Broken home?
No, broken home.
No, my parents have an arranged marriage.
Broken home?
Yeah.
Broken home?
I would say, yeah.
Broken home.
Divorced, but still all in my life, so good.
Patrick Bateman and Broken Home, confirm or deny.
Hell if I know, bro.
Bro, you're too far from the home.
Okay, hell if I know if I came from a broken home or not.
Are your parents still together?
Oh, yeah, they're still together.
They've been together for like 20 years.
With all?
Huh?
Huh?
What?
I'm just like, how do you not know what?
Never mind.
No, no, I'm like, I'm like, hell if I would know.
Like, I mean, my parents are still together.
Whether or not they like each other, I don't fucking know.
It's not about your parents, though.
It's about you.
Oh, me.
Were you loved as a child?
I guess so.
Okay.
My parents are married and they're in love.
Not a broken family.
No, I did not come from a broken home.
Okay, and then the other thing was just your role models in life.
Avery Harley Quinn?
Yeah, Harley Quinn's one of them.
Also, Steve Carell.
That's it.
Steve Carell and Smith.
And Harley Quinn.
That's a pair.
That's a good combo.
That is a pair.
I don't have any.
No role models?
No.
Destiny?
No, I think I can do better.
Andrew Tate.
What about Andrew Tate?
Yeah, that's the one.
He's the one?
Okay.
My mom.
I would say my dad.
My grandpa.
Oh, shit.
Patrick Bateman, Ryan Gosling.
This chick's a troll.
Okay.
No, I'm not.
I swear.
I swear.
I like his business ethic.
I like his work ethic.
Okay, I really like it.
I guess my uncle, too.
I don't know.
Okay.
Wait, you want to throw Batman in there too?
Okay, my uncle is not in prison.
That was like a joke.
That was a joke.
My uncle's not in prison.
All right.
The FBI is knocking at his door right now.
Go ahead.
Aspen.
My role models.
JC.
I got hope for you.
Come on.
Michael Scott.
No, I'm just kidding.
My role models are the people that pointed me towards truth and love and that are personally in my life.
They're some of my high school mentors and teachers?
No, it's like youth group.
Just when I went through my hard time in life, they just were there for me.
And they are happily married.
They're people that do amazing things with their lives.
Those are my role models.
I don't know one person in particular.
No, one.
No?
Michael Scott.
JC?
Jay-C?
Oh, Jesus?
I love Jesus.
Okay, cool.
There you go.
Role model.
I would say.
Besides Michael Sartain.
Besides Michael Sartain.
I would say just the women in my family, like my mom, my grandparents, my aunts, and then also just like I grew up doing pageants and cheering.
Like I've done that my whole life.
Just women that were older than me that did that too.
There was a lot of women that I could look up to that were involved in that as well.
All right, very cool.
We have a chat here from Wiley50.
Thank you for the 100.
Correction on my last super chat.
It was meant for Aspen.
Avery, this one is for you.
In regards to giving up OF, the FAA is hiring air traffic and controllers, early six figs, one of the most respected jobs.
I'm not just saying this so I don't have to work overtime, I swear.
I mean, my understanding of the FAA, the air traffic ATC, it's a super stressful job and they, like, for the first, like, what, 10 years, you're in, like, some dog shit regional airport for like super stressful gigs.
You want me to do that?
Yeah.
Oh, oh, I don't handle stress very well.
I don't know.
R.I.P. in the chat.
I wonder if there's like any, like, one who has OnlyFans who's also in air traffic control and they like do it at the same time and shit.
You know how nurses will go into the janitor closet and get fired from their hospital job?
There's an ATC controller who's just like...
Is OnlyFans your only source of income?
Do you have another job besides a side hustle or is it something that you do like just to the exception of everything else?
It's my main source of income.
OnlyFans in tandem with like TikTok and sponsorships and stuff.
Okay, so influence and OnlyFans.
Yeah.
We got a question here from Stiffler.
Ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
So go ahead, Avery.
6.5.
One.
Well, come on.
One?
I mean, isn't this a humbleness test?
Like, you say something over six and they humble you anyway?
Yeah, but I...
Is that too low?
Five.
What, what?
I mean, now it just seems like you're wanting to give me the answer that you think we want to hear, but what do you genuinely, what's your own self-assessment of your physical appearance?
I don't know if I self-assess in that quantitative of a way, do you?
Yeah, I do.
You look at us all and you already have a number in your head.
Well, I want to give you guys more of a lookover, but that's a good question.
That's a simple question.
I suppose I could assign like a number.
Yes, one to ten.
I don't intend to do it unless you guys ask me to, but.
I feel like just rate yourself like today.
We'll go around the table.
Five.
Okay.
Sure.
What about you?
Seven.
I'm not humbling myself, but you know, not everybody's perfect.
Okay.
No matter what they say.
So it just depends on the day, but today's like a six.
Like a six.
It's on a sliding scale for a day.
Five?
I feel like it depends on the time of day and what day, but today, this day, May 7th.
Probably a seven.
What about like around twilight?
Okay, I mean like when I'm just waking up in the morning, because we can go from two to seven.
No, like the evening twilight.
In twilight?
Like the twilight time?
Seven.
So better lighting that works for you?
Better lighting seven points.
Both in the golden hours.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
Yeah, I kind of like the scale thing too.
But I guess I'll say like a seven.
All right.
Okay.
Thank you, Stiffler, for that.
That's infrastructure.
I think that's the first time I've ever heard on any panel that girls didn't go say, I'm a 10.
I'm a 10.
I'm not a 10.
You guys are starting a movement.
Didn't that dude say he was a 10 on your show the other day?
The dude.
The dude?
Which dude?
Oh, wait.
No, he's talking about Gary the Numbers guy.
That big gremlin looking thing that was on your show.
Yeah, that one.
Okay, Gary the Numbers guy.
He made a thing.
It was on, what was it on?
Like a video talking about how Gary's a 10.
Hold on.
Allie.
Ali, Allie.
Allie.
So Allie did she was on No Jumper.
They showed her TikTok on No Jumper and she said these dudes don't understand that I'm a 10, so I'm at Wendy's right now eating my feelings.
Reading her feelings.
Good times.
Good.
So did you object?
Do you object to the rating scale?
No, I'd object to it if someone sees themselves in a way where they can quantify it, go for it.
Sure.
Because sometimes we get pushback on this question of like, oh, it's kind of rude to try to dehumanizing to try to view someone, you know, to rank someone by their or rate someone by their own.
It's not even the rudeness.
Question the objectivity of it because I've noticed when Fresh and Fit does this and you do this, the intention is kind of to rate the woman's delusion or humbleness, which kind of proves that the rating system is subjective because the argument is objective.
But if the girl says 10, then the guys will call her a two.
And if the girl says two, they say, funny how the girl says two is the hottest girl.
So they base it off personality, proving that, you know what I mean?
You factor in personality with this and this and that, they're going to be like, whoa, she's over here thinking she's all that.
So let's get in humble really quick.
But if you're like, if you're kind of nice about it and you're kind of like, oh yeah, I feel like maybe I'm an eight, I'm a nine today.
Like, you know, I'm feeling okay.
Then they're going to be like, okay, that's cool.
Sure.
Which proves that looks aren't objective.
Then if we're talking about that, then I change my answer.
I'm a 10.
No, we're talking about that.
I'm changing my answer now.
Because I don't care what anybody says.
Like, everybody can say any hurtful thing.
I play COD.
Yeah, I've heard so much hurtful things.
Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, the first one.
This is some hardcore lobbies.
For sure.
Yeah, for sure.
S and D2.
I promise you.
Okay.
No, but you're correct.
It is subjective.
And that's why we asked you.
You're the subject in this time.
You're rating yourself.
Sure.
Every time we do Access Vegas, we have some, in my opinion, some very stunningly gorgeous girls on there.
Every guy in the chat says, oh, I can't, why don't you get some normal girls on there?
Why don't you get like, that's the number one thing we had to deal with from day one was people saying that the girls on our show were fake.
They had big lips, they had big tits, get some real girls on there kind of thing.
And so it was the subjective opinion of these guys that these aren't like quote-unquote normal girls.
So all you really have to do is go walk through any major airport today and you can go find normal people.
Are they going to be the people that you want to have on your podcast?
Are they going to be people you're going to poll for like these kind of questions?
I don't think so.
Big announcement, guys.
We currently have 10,000 plus viewers.
That is a record.
You'll get more.
That is a record for whatever.
The chat is on fire.
Holy shit.
Thank you, guys.
I think our previous highest was like 8,000.
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay, I think everyone's like overcomplicating things.
They just asked you whether or not you think you're a 10.
In my opinion, if a fat bitch is fat, you call her fat, you know?
Or if someone's ugly, you call them butt ugly, you know.
But like, if we just overcomplicate things, like, oh, oh, my worth is like, okay, if you talk to you, this entire video, you have been talking about personality, how it doesn't have to do.
Not all of us have to do it.
I've been talking about personality.
No, no, no.
No, because now you're talking down about somebody, how they're fine.
Okay, well, if a fat bitch is fat, you call her fat.
Like, personality.
You don't say you have an ugly personality.
Do you have an ugly personality?
Well, yeah, that's your opinion.
But like, personally, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, so you're getting mad at me.
She's talking about two different things.
If you haven't learned anyone daddy, I can talk to you.
You just keep going.
You just keep going.
She doesn't necktax again.
Oh, my God.
I can wait.
Like, I'm one of those teachers.
Like, I can't wait.
Hold on.
Hold on.
$200.
Thank you, man.
Here is a better way to gauge this question.
When you rate yourself, what subconscious image do you use to rate yourself?
Your Instagram photos or you just getting out of the shower and looking at yourself in the mirror?
That's an interesting question.
We're stealing that question.
Yes.
Thank you, Batsy EXE.
Thank you.
Really appreciate the support.
Speaking of the rating thing, and.
Oh, my God.
Mike Davis donated.
Thank you, man.
Holy shit.
Mike Davis's ratings for how much I pay for an out call with each guy.
$300 Farah, $0.
Nikki, $0.
Rosie, $0.
Ally, $300, Nev, $500, Aspen, $300, Kylie, $0.
Sartan.
If he returns my watch, Walnut.
Don't want to combo HPP.
Bro, I gave him his watch back, Pamp.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
I'm sorry, Mike Davis.
I don't know what I did to Mike Davis, but damn, man.
Mike Davis, thank you guys for all the support.
If he's using words like alcohol, he's from Nevada.
That's hilarious, man.
At least it's funny.
But anyways, back to what I was saying.
I'm not trying to be rude.
I'm really not.
I just don't like being cut off because I literally just sat here two fucking hours to listen to you talk and I just can't talk.
You came here to talk to everybody.
I understand that, but am I cutting you off?
You've been cutting people off this entire night.
I've never got anywhere.
Who?
You took up like 20 minutes vomiting, shitting out word salad.
Whoa.
20 minutes straight.
Why are you getting offended that I want to have the conversation with you?
I'm not offended.
Yeah, because you're trying to call me out.
I'm trying to literally finish my point.
I haven't even got to the period yet.
Okay, go ahead.
Now is your time.
Go ahead.
It's literally a comma.
We're not for now.
I'm so mad.
Ladies, ladies and gentlemen, ladies, you're both pretty.
It's okay.
It doesn't matter if I'm pretty.
It matters about what I fucking stand for.
You mentioned the period.
Can we please not talk about menstruation?
But I don't know.
You said something about periods.
I said a comma that just put it in a period.
Can I get nerdy with us again real quick?
So beauty is actually not subjective.
There's tons of studies that show when you overlay, there's the famous one where you overlay the pictures of several thousand psychology students over each other.
You come up with an average, and that average is more attractive than the other people.
It's rated as more attractive than the people in the classroom.
Also, there's studies that show that infants, young children, look at people who are more attractive for longer periods of time.
I've hosted over 45 different bikini competitions.
Exactly.
I've hosted over 45 different bikini competitions.
And in doing so, when I ask the guys who's going to win, it's almost always like the same three girls.
We generally agree.
There's no study that shows that beauty.
Now, to a certain extent, obviously some people like bigger butts or bigger lips, but the idea of facial symmetry and signs of youth, clear skin, things like that, those things tend to be universal.
So those things are not subjective.
They're actually objective.
And that's a really offensive thing to a lot of people when you look at Victoria's Secret and they show other body types.
And I'm all for inclusivity, but they're not going to change what I find attractive or what Justin finds attractive or what Rolo or any of the men in the chat, what they find attractive.
Because when you leave that door open, that beauty is subjective, it really, for the most part, isn't.
Like you can tell when something is beautiful because of symmetry and other things.
And there's just tons of studies.
There's tons of evidence to show this.
That was a beautiful point.
But I would like to talk to you again.
What you said was that there was a double standard in what she was saying.
And okay, what you said was she calls it like she sees it and that's wrong because and then you sorry, was it you?
For word.
You talked about how we just got in that argument.
But you're saying that she's calling it a double standard for caring about somebody's personality when she meets somebody and then calling them ugly or fat.
I just don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
Sorry.
I just don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
But okay, yeah, you go on.
Are you bi?
I mean.
Are you trolling?
Like, what's going on?
Oh, I just don't want to fucking stop.
Okay, look me in the eye and tell me you'd fuck Thrognak the destroyer who comes on here every once in a while.
Okay, but that's not what we're saying.
I'm just trying to get a read.
Yo, Ivan, thank you for that, man.
I appreciate it.
Stop focusing on dollar.
If you got you, then great.
These girls have no sense of tradition.
False studies is what they preach and listen to other women on what a man is and wants.
Set your value boundaries and get experience a man is a leader and a woman makes it worth it.
Yo, Ivan Jr., thank you for the $200 donation.
I really appreciate all the support, guys.
Really appreciate all the support tonight.
Do you want to continue with the public?
Okay, okay, yeah.
I'm just wanting to fuck fat bitches.
Okay, I just don't want to fuck fat bitches.
Okay, I just don't.
You said you were.
Wait, what?
Dude, I just don't know.
I never thought about it.
Okay, if a fat bitch went up to me and said, hey, sexy, I'd be like, hell no.
Are you bi?
Dude, I don't fucking know.
I don't know.
So you like what you like?
I like what I like.
So you like a person.
Okay, okay.
Listen, I just don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
You don't have to overcomplicate.
Okay, back to what I'm saying.
I don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
Back to what she was asking me.
Back to what she was asking me.
You were saying how I was basically saying that's contradicting, right?
Yeah.
Earlier, she was saying how are you going to date somebody?
How are you going to marry somebody and then not know if they're good in bed, right?
And she's over here saying, well, I know they're not good in bed because they're not.
Let me finish.
Okay, you want people to let you finish.
Thank you.
My thing is, you're over here saying that, oh, you're over here judging, you're being biased, this and this, and that, but yet you're over here saying, I wouldn't fuck somebody who's bigger than me, like that who's ugly, this and this and that.
You have your own perception as to who's ugly and who's big, right?
So it's like for you to be like straight up and say, oh no, you're ugly.
Like you're fat.
But yet you're over here saying like, oh no, I'm not judging.
I'm not judging that.
Oh, you are being biased.
Okay, okay.
Look, I'm not an architect.
I don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
Like, can we just, I don't want to fuck a fat bitch.
You don't have to ask me what I'm saying.
You don't have to overcomplicate things.
I doubt anyone.
Okay, let's just.
I'm just, I'm just talking about your habits type of thing.
I am not trying to complicate it.
She merely asked me a question, which is why I was just trying to get her point a little bit.
Go ahead.
Jesus.
Okay.
So I think the point is you shouldn't judge someone based off the act of sex, right?
Sex isn't the end-all-be-all.
But biologically, we pick the mate that is best for us.
You're not going to want to mate with someone who, say, is obese, say, is short, and you want your kids, you want your offspring to be stronger, powerful, tall, in good shape, right?
Yes.
The way you are wording it is way better than what she has said.
That's why I said I was simplifying her point.
But hold on, let her finish.
Let her finish.
Go ahead.
The whole objective, like her whole objective is, I'm going to have my preferences, but sex isn't what makes those preferences.
It's the preferences that lead to the sex, right?
They lead to you picking a partner in general.
It's not just about sex.
So she's not being a hypocrite.
She's laying out her preferences that get you to the bed.
No, but what I was saying was earlier she asked us something about it being about like how you feel towards a person and not about looks.
But now she's now how you feel towards a fat person or a skinny person is definitely about looks, but it is also how you feel about those looks.
It doesn't change.
Everything is we see something, we all see the same thing, but we all perceive it differently.
So it is how you feel about a thing.
Does that make sense?
That makes sense.
Okay.
That makes no sense.
So really.
Absolutely makes no sense.
No, because I mean, because we're human beings, we are very good at pattern recognition.
When we see someone who is overweight, when we see someone who has like lost a limb, when we see someone who is in some way deformed or disabled, we look at them as not necessarily a lesser human being because of their personal value, but we do look at them and we say that that person is not going to be able to run away from a bear, okay?
We look at that and we have an instant instinctual understanding just by looking at that person whether or not they're going to be physically fit, whether I want to have sex with that person, whether I do not want to have sex with that person, whether that person is going to be somebody that I want in the trenches when I'm fighting a war or when I need somebody to balance my accounts or something like that.
So there's absolutely a look that we see when we look at someone.
So when people say this bullshit about like, oh, you can't judge a book by its cover.
Well, the reason for a book cover is to sort of let you know what's inside the book in the first place.
Yeah, no, I agree with you completely.
I was just saying.
Well, and then the other part of that is sex is the glue that keeps a relationship together.
So without that sex, you got no fucking relationship.
Yeah, well, what I was going to say was that, like, I was saying that I don't want to judge anyone based on their sexual performances.
And I wouldn't get to that point because I wouldn't go for a fat woman.
So I wouldn't know what her performance was like because I wouldn't bother with that.
If that makes sense.
All right, moving on.
Also, one more question.
I'm going to ask that question that guy said of tradition.
I come from a different background.
If we're talking about tradition, my parents were immigrants.
So, not immigrants, but still.
I come from a completely different background.
In my culture, whoever's the fastest person to pay, you get to pay.
Whoever, you know, we eat as a family, there's no such thing as a separate dish.
Everybody eats off what everybody has.
Everybody eats.
Exactly.
But in most cultures, and there's different ways and there's different thinking and there's different types.
Everybody has an opinion.
Everybody has a thing.
Me personally, the reason why I've been in a four-month relationship is because there's a standard there and there's a boundary that I put out.
And if you don't succumb to that, you know, boundary, then if you don't come to that, you know, boundary or meet it in any type of way, then there's no reason for me to move forward because I feel like a relationship is a partnership, obviously.
I believe in 50-50 because of my cultural background.
What's your cultural background?
I'm Chinese.
I'm Chinese.
You think that the Chinese believe in 50-50?
An egalitarian relationship.
Because my parents divorced and my dad left.
And so obviously there's split custody and there's child support.
And if you don't pay for that child support, do you think that I got that?
But do you think that the reason why your parents split up is because that egalitarian ideal didn't work out for the both of them?
Of course.
And whatever it is, it's between them.
But as a kid, you're caught in the loop.
So is that cultural or is that just something between a man and a woman?
No, but I also watched a cultural person come from a strict background.
My grandparents, she couldn't go outside.
She only had books, everything like that, working, everything, like nine to five, everything.
Until my mom got sick of it and came here to America to live out the American dream.
And so obviously from that point, you have to start out from scratch.
And my mom started out from scratch by herself with nobody help, with nobody to help her until she met my dad.
She met my dad, and my dad helped her and pushed her forward to a certain extent.
Until their agreement and disagreement didn't fulfill each other, they divorced.
But what was the agreement?
What was the agreement?
Their marriage.
You know, when you say vows, when you say vows.
Okay, what were the vows?
I don't know.
I wasn't there.
Because I was too young.
But in their terms, in their eyes, they had agreed to a certain vow and a certain agreement.
And if one of them just, you know, doesn't fulfill, why would you stay in that relationship?
Someone breached the contract.
Yes.
So why would you stay in that relationship?
You have no reason to.
So you move on, you progress forward.
And as a man, you know, as a female, and you constantly rely as a man, and then the father figure, the male figure of the household just disappears.
What do you have left in that household and that foundation?
What do you build off of a male-built foundation?
Nothing.
So you have to start out from scratch.
And you build that foundation yourself.
Can you just like stop karate chopping the table?
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
As a female, you know, from starting from nothing.
We know you're female.
That's been a story.
My mother, starting from nothing, to something.
She from below minimum wage to above minimum wage.
And by herself, she did that all by herself.
Would she have been better off if she had a guy?
Yes, of course.
But, you know, in those time periods when she needed the guy the most, she really needed a guy.
She needed a guy.
But you don't need to.
Obviously, my mom was so into a relationship where it's you put a certain agree and you put a certain degree and you make a house.
What are we talking about?
Where was I?
In a marriage, you need two people.
Are you still talking about 50-50?
I want to bring Justin.
Yes, you need a management tool.
I want half an hour of Justin.
How do you just marriage?
You don't mind-brain her.
You don't mind washer.
You don't force her to agree anything.
She chooses to agree to go what is she into.
If you lay down that five women, a woman cannot look up to a man who is her equal.
But okay, you said you're in favor of 50-50.
Justin, your thoughts on 50-50 dynamic?
I don't believe in 50-50 dynamic.
I believe a man should take care of a woman in every way.
And I think that's what he gets to do.
And of course.
And then when you call it, if he calls a real man, you will accept that because you'd be happy to be in his frame because you look up to him.
You want to get behind him.
You want to be on that ride.
He's going to take you on.
Exactly.
But I also have a certain point.
Yes, but I'm going to, but I'll tell you, a man is not going to sit there and listen to you tell him your standards because he's not going to be.
I'm not going to tell him my standards.
I'm going to lay out a foundation of what I want in the room.
Just a sec, guys.
Hold on.
Your response to bats underscore exe?
Mental issues are kind of shaky.
You have trust issues.
I have trust issues.
Yes, of course I do.
But then again, you can't breach.
Hold on just a second.
Mike Davis donated $200.
I'm not gay, but I'd go gay for Warler.
He's just firing me locked for me in his face and his piercing gaze that cuts through my soul like a sharpened blade.
Ever since I discovered Waller, I got off Viagra.
Please take the mic.
Welcome to the whatever podcast.
Yo, yo, bro.
I'm glad to be here.
Thanks, Mike.
I think.
That's crazy.
Hey, man, we're going to go to a Burger King afterwards, Mike.
Just for you, bro.
Can you tell me where the nearest Burger King is?
24 hours?
He owns 300 of them.
He owns 300 brothers.
No, that was Mike Davis.
Yeah, I think that was Mike Davis, wasn't it?
That was Mike Davis.
You're in Miami, right?
Yeah.
Mike Davis, do you own any Burger Kings in Miami?
Could he host you at the Burger King?
Sure, bro.
I mean, maybe after what he said, maybe you don't have to.
Yeah, that one's tough.
That one's tough.
It might be tough.
Sorry, we got two TTSs that came through, one right after the other.
You guys were kind of having an exchange.
Justin, did you want to come back in or did you?
Go ahead.
No, no problem at all.
I said what I had to say.
I do believe that a man is going to want to take charge and control the relationship.
And oftentimes I think that women, particularly ones like you, that are going to be a bit more headstrong, they're going to want to hold on to their independence until they find a man that they find is worth letting go.
What's really hard for a woman nowadays is to find a man worth the fuck enough for you to be able to let go.
And I think that'll be one of your biggest challenges moving forward, particularly because of how headstrong you are.
And that's all I really have to say about it.
If you find that right guy and he comes through and he's just like you, just everything that you think you want is no offense, not true.
When that man walks into your life and you're going to know, you're going to be able to put a lot of walls down that you wouldn't previously be able to put down because the man is worth you being able to do it.
And when you trust you can be inside his frame and you're safe inside of that, you will let go.
No, I absolutely agree.
So that's what you said was that she's going to have a hard time finding a guy because of how headstrong she is.
Well, she's critical of men too.
No, no, I know.
I'm saying that.
And her particularly, she's a little bit more voiceless.
If I'm being aware of that, that is something that gets in the way of me finding a guy because you're headstrong.
Yeah, because I'm, well.
No, no, you're not.
You're a sweetheart.
You and her are two different.
No, I'm really headstrong.
No, I'm just kidding.
But I mean, I'm very independent.
I have goals for myself.
I think that that comes off as intimidating to a lot of guys.
Why do you think that?
Well, that's my only assumption.
I might be wrong, but I don't know.
I think it's the pipeline more than anything.
Can I give you guys all a piece of advice?
Write this down.
Do whatever with it you want.
I would find a local chapter of the SPCA and start volunteering there.
I would find as many soup kitchens and food pantries as I could and start volunteering there.
I have found empathetic human beings are the ones that you probably want to be with, people who show a level of kindness.
I throw charity events specifically for one of the reasons is you generally people who are narcissists and psychopaths can't keep coming to charities where they don't get anything out of it.
Wounded warriors, anything for underprivileged children.
Shout out to the Midnight Mission in Los Angeles.
Shout out to Operations Blankets of Love, a domestic abuse charity, anything like that.
The people that are associated with that, I would not only would I try to find, meet other people I want to group with, but I would also invite a date on that.
For me, frequently, it used to be my first date would be, it would be somebody that was interested in, we'd go volunteer at a soup kitchen.
We'd go volunteer at a food pantry.
Because the reason why is like a lot of the times you guys are talking about like cruelty and a lack of empathy.
I promise you that will work better than Tinder when it comes to personality if you guys started doing that.
But I haven't heard any of you say that because your method by which you're meeting people tends to be solely online.
And listen, I know, Roland, I talk about this all the time.
Instagram is the number one dating app in the world.
And I agree that it's the number one dating app in the world, but it used to not be like that.
I'm old and I remember when it wasn't like that before.
And so I would recommend you guys try some IRL stuff where you're actually volunteering and trying to serve other people.
And when you find somebody else in that method, especially with your values as a Christian, I think you're going to be shocked at how awesome it is.
And I don't mean just going to church.
I mean finding someone else who's doing something for wounded warriors or for especially for animal rescue.
That is the catch-all for everyone.
Everyone loves animal rescue.
So that's what I would recommend for all of you guys.
If you're having trouble finding someone who's compassionate or finding someone who's trustworthy, that's what I would do.
If I could just add to that, Michael, good chance you'll find a good guy at those places.
You might also find someone who committed like a misdemeanor and they're doing community service hours.
Just saying, just a caveat to Michael's thing.
And you might find a simp too.
I mean, there's that risk, right?
There's that too.
There's that too.
There's a bit of psychopathy that works for love.
There's no such thing as dark love for sure.
All right, we have.
I do help people, but to a certain extent.
Everybody deserves kindness to a certain extent.
You could help all these people, don't get me wrong, in an owner homeless shelter.
And some of them have some roughed up lives where they did, were in the child, you know, they were a child and they messed up and now they can't progress as adult in life.
And that's why they're on the streets.
But then there's other people who have came from a great lifestyle, great parents.
They just messed up with drugs.
And then with drugs, they messed up.
And then now they're in a washed up place.
And that's what I do.
I help them.
Yeah, I think we're confusing two different things.
I don't want you to date the people.
You don't need to date Bob.
I'm just saying I do help them.
And I do help them to a certain extent.
I do help the people who are drugged out, you know, and that they do show that progress that they want to change.
You know, everyone needs a little bit of realization of their lifestyle.
What are you talking about?
He's not saying it's a homeless guy.
He's saying when you go there, there will be people there that you might want to build you too.
I build my friend groups.
I specifically build my friend groups around charity.
I understand.
I'm sorry.
Were you saying to meet somebody there to continue going?
Bro, it's not that happy.
It's not that fucking happy.
It's not that heavy.
I'm not talking about this about fucking community service and shit.
Oh, to meet someone there and then continue going with them all their volunteers.
Jesus, I'm just saying that people in this world deserve a certain amount of kindness to a certain extent.
When you see a homeless person out in the streets, by the freeways and everything, asking for money, what is your first thought?
What are you talking about?
Empty platitudes here.
We're going to move on from that.
I'll know where you're on.
I'm saying, dude, you're so.
Dating show.
Dating show, we can talk about the news.
You're a great humanitarian.
I mean, we can talk about the nuances of humanitarian work, but kind of unrelated, you know?
Okay, might I just add something?
Honestly, I love your advice, but most people, most people I know nowadays, they don't want a good guy.
They don't really want that.
They want to be.
I think I might be able to fix this with a sentence.
You want a man that can slit a throat and hold a baby on the same day.
That's what you want.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's what you're looking for.
Yeah.
Okay.
So he's at Michael's event, but he could also be Michael when Michael's in the military.
I'm sorry, was that sarcasm?
Were you actually being pro?
No, I'm being for real.
Like a lot of people, like the partners that they choose, I don't know.
No, I'm talking about you, you specifically.
That's what he was asking.
But what was the question?
If you would be with somebody who would slit a throat and hold a baby at the same time, that's what you want as a woman.
That's what you want.
I want someone who isn't afraid of guns and shit.
Like, I want someone who can hold their own.
That's the kind of microphone.
Like, I don't want a fucking soy boy liberal cuck or whatever.
I don't want to.
You want a man that could kill somebody that came in your house.
That's what you want.
Yeah, I can't.
So, no blue hair then.
Hell no.
What the fuck, dude?
Who are we talking about, by the way?
I don't know, but I'm just saying.
All right, let me get a couple of these super chats here.
Let's see.
Did we?
I think we did.
Wait, did we do this one?
No, no, we haven't done that yet.
Wait.
Did we do this?
Wait.
Yeah, speed it up.
I'm currently trying to do some super chats for you.
Landscaper 69 thing for the 100.
Avery, do you want to read this one?
To the panel, what was it you dreamt of doing with your life when you were little?
How close or far are you from that dream?
What changed your path?
Just trying to understand this lost generation.
Let's keep the answers short on this one.
So, what was it you dreamt of doing with your life when you were little?
Let's just answer that one.
Go ahead.
I wanted to be a singer.
I was doing that for a bit, and then I lost my record deal, and now I'm doing OnlyFans.
Can you sing pretty well?
Do you have a talent?
Let's hear it.
No, no.
Dude, no.
What's that song, At Last?
Do you know that song?
I've heard it.
I don't know what the word is.
All right, go ahead.
I wanted to work in media, which I'm fulfilling.
You wanted to work in media?
Yeah.
Which you are fulfilling by doing what?
Working in media.
Are you talking about OnlyFans?
OnlyFans is an aspect of media, sure.
But I also have a TikTok.
I also write for websites and magazines.
Okay.
But even if I was just doing OnlyFans, I would consider that fulfilling it, sure.
But the question is: what was it you dreamt of doing with your life when you were little?
Did I specifically dream of doing OnlyFans when I was little?
No, it didn't exist.
It wasn't around.
Yeah.
I suppose sex works.
Like I said, I dreamt of doing media.
Fair enough.
Working in media.
What about you?
Oh, just a one-piece journey.
Here, turn a white microphone straight towards you.
Straight, straight, straight, straight.
There you go.
Go ahead.
Me?
Honestly, when I was little, I wanted to be a police officer, but I changed it.
I want to be a nurse.
Am I doing that right now?
No, but I'm currently working so that I can get my car and continue going to school.
What change I have?
Yeah, I don't know.
Go ahead.
Always wanted to be in the medical field.
I'm almost in the medical field.
Nothing destroying me from that.
You're the ER nurse, right?
Physical therapy is what I'm looking at.
You're the ER nurse.
I just want to be happy.
And I want to make other people happy.
That was your childhood dream?
To be happy?
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I can see it.
What else?
Is there nothing more specific than just be happy?
I don't know.
I want to find what makes me happy.
I think it's a bigger thing.
I want to find what makes me happy, and I want to make other people happy at the same time.
Like, I'm not sure what will make me happy, but I want to find it.
Go ahead.
You will not see it.
My dream as a child was to do something big with my life.
I think make a big difference.
And later on it was being a trauma nurse, which I have found that.
And then I'm moving more towards humanitarian stuff.
Have you saved a life?
I've saved many lives.
See, there you go.
You've done something big.
ER nurses.
Stick in there.
You guys got this?
And nurses in general.
But even the ER gets tiring.
You feel like you're not doing enough in there.
What about you?
I always wanted to be a model and actress, but I kind of gave up on acting stuff and now I just do modeling.
Okay.
I suppose this is asked for the rest of the panel.
Living the dream.
Michael?
It's funny, man.
don't know I I can't even I always wanted to be a Longhorn and I ended up doing that And then it was never my dream to fly for the Air Force, but I ended up doing that.
I don't know, man.
It's tough.
But I think maybe working in radio, but I sort of ended up doing that with a podcast.
So something similar to that.
You were a pilot?
Is that?
No, no, I was a civilian pilot.
In the military, I was a navigator.
I was an instructor navigator.
KCL 35.
Yeah, in the military, you were not a pilot.
No, I was a KC.
Yeah, navigator.
Navigator.
Okay, kind of worked in counterintelligence near the end of my career.
Okay, cool.
But you said in your civilian life, you were a pilot?
Yeah, I flew Assessment 172 and a Piper Warrior.
Oh, awesome.
Super cool.
Justin.
Man, when I was a kid, I always said I was going to be a businessman.
It was very vague.
I don't think I knew what I meant.
But it couldn't have worked out better, man.
Life's a dream.
Hello.
And when I was a kid, let's see, when I was 10, I wanted to be ace freely.
That's what I wanted to be.
I wanted to be in Kiss.
That's what I wanted to be.
As simple as that.
No, I mean, I always wanted to be a touring musician, which I got to do for quite some time when I was in the late 80s and early 90s.
And I still play in a band right now.
But it's so much more than that.
It's like I'm a creative individual.
I don't think a lot of people really get that from me because when I'm doing what I do here right now, they think I'm super analytical.
But I actually am very much, as you can tell from my thumbnails, I'm very much an artist too.
So I've always been an artist.
And I do exactly what I wanted to do.
Very talented graphic designer.
And I suppose I'll answer the question.
At one point, I wanted to be a magician, and then that didn't work out.
And then I wanted to be a professional surfer.
That also did not work out.
Landscaper 69, thank you for the donation.
Avery, go ahead.
Brian, it depends on if you go terminal, Low, Tower, or En-ROOOOO Radar, Enroot gets paid way more, but it's significantly harder.
Aspen, have you ever listened to the Bible in a Year podcast with Father Mike?
If you haven't, you should.
It's fantastic.
Aspen.
I have not.
Okay.
Canon, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
Really appreciate it, man.
Is that a gecko face palming?
Hello?
Is that like the Geico gecko?
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
American virus is freedom.
Think for the 100, Avery.
Go ahead.
As a traditional guy, I look at women that sleep with a lot of men as someone that is willing to have a kid with those men.
A man that is willing to sleep with a lot of women are willing to emotionally damage ladies they don't want to stay with.
Neither is healthy.
That is so true.
Anyone have Justin thoughts on this, Michael Roblo?
Any thoughts?
I think you don't necessarily want to have kids with everyone you have sex with.
So I don't know if that's I do think it's leveraged to judge people, but I mean, d in some cases you do.
Here's the thing.
Subconsciously, though, you do.
And it's more so with women than men, where women will like, again, the oxytocin release that happens after a woman has sex with a man is more powerful in women than it is men.
So I could see that argument subconsciously, but I think cognitively I'm not sure if that's it.
No, it's it's just the argument for licking the ice cream.
That's all.
There's the ice cream store, and some guys get to go into the ice cream store early or earlier or like at all, go in there, and what they do is they go and lick every flavor of ice cream.
So when everybody else goes in there, they realize that, oh, hey, this ice cream's been licked.
That's a metaphor.
I know it's dangerous to use these days, but it's a metaphor for the fact that guys, there's this belief that a certain percentage of guys are going and essentially sleeping with all the women and then damaging those women.
And then those women, when they find the real guy, when they find when they finally get to be 28, 29, 30 years old, and they're trying to do the right thing, then they're damaged goods.
And all because some sinister group of very elite men, a small percentage of them, have ruined those women because they had had sex with them.
Well, the problem with your estimate there is you also have to remember that women choose to have sex with those guys in the first place.
So you got to look at it from both sides.
I know you got something to say.
No, I agree with you.
I don't think he's wrong.
I think that, you know, there's a certain level of man that can go through an alpha widow, a bunch of women.
I'm just saying I believe that.
And life isn't fair, man.
So you need to compete very, very hard, understand where you fall in the rank of things, and put yourself in a position to be the highest level of man that she could be with.
Because until you do that, then there's not really a conversation.
I'll just keep rolling through them, and all the other guys like me will.
So that's your problem to handle, my friend.
That's why you should work so hard.
That's why everybody watching this shit should work so fucking hard.
Be the best man you can possibly be.
Because if you love your wife, even if it's your future wife, you are going to be faced with this scenario.
And that's the only way that you're going to win, my friend.
So.
Justin, just a question.
When you say faced with that scenario, what do you mean?
So every man is going to compete after he's married, regardless.
Like, hypergamy is a real thing, respectfully, by the way.
It is very, very real.
And it is something that you're constantly going to be doing in your life is competing.
So performance.
You have a burden of performance.
Men do have a burden of performance.
And it's very important that you realize that and accept that ugly truth of the world.
You can get mad at women and blame it on women, but the truth of the matter is, unless you're doing the work to maximize every part of you in every way, then you should look at no one but yourself.
So go find a mirror, my friend, instead of typing on this channel and talking shit about how women are hypergamous.
We already know that.
So all you can do is build yourself up to the man that she would never leave.
Yeah, his argument that it's unhealthy for men to run through a bunch of women is not going to stop men, especially high-status men, from doing exactly that.
100%.
He's just complaining.
Yeah, and the fact that you complain about it isn't going to change it either.
Like, again, on one hand, we have, you know, 17, 18 years of Facebook, and on the other hand, we have 300,000 years of Homo sapien evolution.
The evolution means more, and women will be hypergamous, and men will compete with other men over women.
That is not something that happened because of the United States of America or because of TikTok.
That is something that has been the same since we were descended from Australopithecus.
That is always the way hominids have been.
All right, we have Dave Hon Jackson here with Hang for the $200 Super Chat.
Yo, pause, please.
I believe this is in response to Mike Davis's comments towards Justin that were perhaps romantic in nature.
Mike Davis seems to take a liking to sometimes the men on the panel.
He said he isn't gay.
But if he was gay, that's what he said.
He did qualify that.
Fair, fair.
Oh, shit.
It's a really tricky position because he's being so nice to me.
Thank you, man.
On behalf of the military home, is our military guys red flags in the dating scene?
Why or why not?
Yeah, we can go around the table on this.
Avery, is it a red flag?
Why or why not?
I don't think so.
I don't know.
I've actually never dated or matched with a guy in the military.
But no.
No, it wouldn't be.
I'm kind of confused.
Why would it be?
Like what's the procession?
I suppose, I mean PCS, TDYs, like you're caused to travel on like deployments and stuff.
But it's it's honestly that military men get taken advantage of more than they're the red flags.
It's quite the opposite.
Like military men get cheated up.
There was a show called Army Wives, I believe, on CBS that just illustrated this entire point.
It's women, especially after World War II, guys would be deployed for two years, they'd come back and it was like a 75% divorce rate after that.
So it's quite the opposite.
It's men who get married and then deploy.
That whole situation tends to be a red flag.
What's it called?
The dependapotamus?
Have you heard that term, Mike?
Depend upon us.
A dependence upon the dependopotamus.
then there's there's women who just who just scour around fort hood you know is looking for i got a follow-up question yeah but let them finish But they just scour on Fort Hood looking for any second lieutenant they can get their hands on or any, you know, it's just, it's, so I think it's quite the opposite as far as being a red flag.
Most military guys I know don't have the ability to cheat.
When you do a 15-month deployment in Iraq, you don't have the ability to cheat.
So yeah.
Is that a red flag to you?
Yes.
A military guy is a red flag?
Yes.
It's because I just don't like that feeling of just waiting for somebody.
I'm waiting for you.
I have loyalty.
I have trust.
I have this.
I have communication.
I have that.
As a person, and I vest all this with a person that's completely far away.
And now this person has a lot of other things in his view at this point.
He's exposed to new things.
He doesn't have time for that person that's waiting at home.
So now she's stuck at home waiting.
So no long-distance relationships, Scott.
I'm going to say yes, due to personal experience and also like other people's point of views.
So you've dated a guy in the military?
I dated a guy in the military.
That was my seven-month situationship.
There's a lot of issues between us, but like, for example, I would like, you're not allowed to do this, but I would also sleep in his barracks.
And I would hear a lot of the rumors that was happening.
For example, he has this friend who has a fiancé.
He has another friend that is married.
And they would have girls over at their rooms all the time.
They have these things called barrack bunnies or something like that.
Yeah, Desert Queens is in the middle of when you're deployed at barrack bunnies.
I think the other thing we have to differentiate is I think you're talking about enlisted infantry and there's a big difference between that or just enlisted in general.
Well I'm talking about enlisted and I'm talking about other people as well that were outside.
For example, like I obviously I have girlfriends and then his friends would be like hey like set me up with your girlfriends and I'd be like you guys already have somebody though then they'd be like okay but they wouldn't have to know because I don't know those I don't know the girls personally.
So they're trying to get on the down low.
Exactly.
So I don't trust any of those guys.
So it's a trust thing.
It's a trust thing.
I don't think you can judge everybody by the actions of a few.
Speak up a little bit.
I don't think you can judge people by the actions of a few like that.
Like it's not a trust thing.
I think if a man is willing to put his life on the line to learn how to protect our country and to protect me, I think that that's not a red flag.
Hey, maybe I'm biased because my uncle is a Marine, was a Marine, but I have nothing but respect for Marine always.
Oh, he's still a Marine.
He's still a Marine.
He's still a Marine.
I have nothing but respect for members of the military.
Honestly, it wouldn't be a red flag at all because one that shows that the guy is very willing to die for his country, which means that he, you know, he has a good guy.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
Aspen, what do you think?
Oh, yeah, I love this country and it would raise eyebrows just because one of my life goals is to have my husband with my kids there as much as possible.
But for the right guy, I would accept that.
Kylie, would you date a military guy?
Hey, Michael.
No, yeah, I think it's great.
I can see how some girls wouldn't want to deal with dating somebody actually currently active duty in the military because of the whole waiting game or whatever.
But out of it, that's great.
Quick follow-up question.
Do you guys know the percentage of Americans who served in the military?
Or is it serving or served?
Ever served?
Ever served in the military?
Percentage of Americans?
Probably really well.
65?
65%, really.
Anybody?
Anybody want to throw out some guests?
9%.
Anybody else?
435?
I feel like I remember.
Yeah, the number is 6% of people have ever served, and that's active duty reserve or anything like that.
People don't realize it's like less than 1% of the U.S. population is currently in the military.
And so, yeah, it's actually a much lower number than people think.
They did a YouGov survey, and people thought it was somewhere in the 40s.
Yeah.
40% of Americans or they thought 65% of Americans actually had served in the military.
No, it's about 6% of people living right now have ever served in the military.
Can I have you just scoot your microphone?
Can I have you scoot your microphone to the edge of the table?
Pull it towards you.
Pull it towards you.
Thank you.
All right, we have a super chat here from AGM 1991.
Thank you for the super chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Avery, go ahead.
Avery, I have a question for you.
There's a woman that I'm interested in, and I feel a connection with her.
Any advice?
You want a perfect relationship?
Get your relationship with God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and God's Word, NKJV.
Trust me and believe me.
So what's the question?
There's a woman that I'm interested in, and I feel a connection with her.
Any advice?
I think that's remote true.
I feel like I need more information here, but I feel like he needs to be telling that girl the advice he just gave you when he asked you for advice.
No, I think that was meant for Aspen because there's another one like under this that said, oh, I said the wrong girl again later.
I don't know.
I saw it earlier.
Oh, okay.
That was meant for Aspen.
Well, then I'll let you answer.
This one?
Yeah, I thought I saw one earlier.
I read this one.
I mean, this is a very general question.
Any advice?
Is it for Avery or for Aspen?
I don't know.
You should answer.
I'm curious.
I don't know.
I need more information, but I just can say what I want.
I just want to be treated like I'm the prettiest princess in all the land.
All the land?
Yes.
Out of curiosity, have you ever gone out with a guy who didn't treat you like you were the prettiest princess in all the land?
Maybe it was a little harder to get out.
I think that's what I'm thinking.
If only you really understood the relationship between real men and what they deserve.
Top G-types and what they really look for is totally not what you give.
If the girl second from the left could find a guy worth having, we could save the world.
Derek Man X, thank you.
Second from the left.
That's you.
That's Haspen.
Just say Aspen.
Second from the left.
Aspen's easy to remember.
Can I respond to that guy?
Sure.
I would say be somebody that can lead her towards the Lord and also someone that can cut her throat and hold a baby.
Sorry, guys.
That's going to go in the title of this show.
Sorry, guys.
I'm adjusting something here on my laptop while I do that.
Is there anything?
This is a question I often ask.
Is there anything dating related anybody wants to get off your chest?
So either something that you specifically want to ask, maybe a question you want some advice on.
Men are pissing you off in some way.
Is there anything dating related you want to get off your chest?
Go ahead, Avery.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't want to.
I mean, I'm not having luck in the dating department, but I'm not going to like shit on men for that.
So I don't know.
I don't have any questions at this time.
What about you?
I'm confused.
Am I inquiring dating advice?
Well, so is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
So, any specific topic that you'd like to talk about related to dating, or maybe when it comes to dating, men are pissing you off in some way.
Just giving some prompts here.
Well, they seem to be traditional, so I'd like to talk about what their standards are for a female partner.
You're talking to Justin?
All of them.
I'm curious about that, too.
Start with Justin.
I'll start with Justin.
Because you're willing to provide 100% for a woman.
So, when I asked earlier, Strings Attached, I didn't mean in terms of her putting out for the date.
I meant like what woman qualifies for that treatment.
Loyalty, I think, positive feedback, giving appreciation.
See, the beautiful thing about love really is that when you give to your family, your family tells you how much they appreciate it.
That's what makes it fun, right?
That's the beautiful thing about love is to be able to take care of somebody, provide for them, protect them.
Ideally, somebody that's very intelligent that I can connect with on an intellectual level is very, very important to me.
I think it makes it better, particularly if it's going to be any kind of long-term thing, not short-term, like just sex.
Like, if I'm going to be around this person for a while, I'm going to want to respect them mentally.
And also, I want that person to be on my mission with me, like supporting my mission.
So, particularly, like, let's say I met a girl like you.
If you were doing OnlyFans, at some point, you would ideally recognize the path that I'm on and want to get behind that program and support that program with all of your talent and your efforts and everything.
So, I think a man should be able to give a woman a mission to get on with him, but is on the path that he is leading.
A man should be the leader in the relationship.
And for that reason, I'd want a woman that could get inside of a frame, my frame, and be happy, happy to be there.
So, in a nutshell, that's what I'd be looking for.
Okay, so you wouldn't want the woman to get off OnlyFans because it's like sex work, but just because that's her individual career path and you'd want her to kind of like abandon her career for your path, or specifically because it's OnlyFans/slash/sex work?
OnlyFans wouldn't be ideal, I can tell you.
Like, I probably wouldn't like that if I'm being 100% with you.
But as far as her wanting to do something that she's passionate about, if she wanted to work and for whatever reason she had a passion in some area, I would support that.
Ideally, she'd want to help me with my mission, but if she wanted to do something that she was passionate about, I would let her do it.
Now, would I wife up a girl in OnlyFans?
No, I wouldn't.
Would I look past it to get to a place where I could build her to somewhere else?
Yeah, I would.
And I think that is a man's job: to build a woman up to where he wants to go.
For example, if you meet a woman, you should be wanting to build her up so you can take her with you to meet those millionaires that are going to invest in your deal or the billionaires on a boat in Dubai.
That a man's job should be, in part, to build a woman up to the highest level he possibly can.
So, it's an investment that the man puts into a woman to try to build her up and make her the perfect partner for him.
And that's just a part of it.
So, yeah, that's how I look at it.
That makes sense.
So, the cardinal thing you look for is loyalty.
Can you characterize what makes a loyal woman?
Because, like, depending where you fall in, like, the red pill spectrum or even not the red pill spectrum, some guys consider a woman, you know, going to parties or even like having a public Instagram account an act of infidelity.
So, what do you consider a loyal woman?
I would probably have the password to that Instagram account if it got very serious.
I'd be able to see every message.
Yeah.
And she wouldn't have a problem with that because she'd want to be inside my frame.
Women don't want space from men they're actually in love with.
They don't want that.
In fact, women want nothing more to be enthralled by a man that they actually want.
They're like, please let me give this to you.
I want you.
That's the kind of thing.
And you can't fake genuine desire.
So it's not transactional at that point.
At that point, you would want to do everything that it took to be a part of that man's life because you were truly, truly in love with him.
Sure, does that lack of space go both ways?
Like, would she also have your passwords?
Absolutely not.
No, she wouldn't.
So, how does she feel your genuine love just from the financial aspect of you caring for her and building her up?
I'm glad you asked that.
It's very, very important that the people in the red pill space start to include the fact that you're there for her.
Sit there with her knee to knee.
Like, you are truly best friends.
You are emotionally there for her.
I also say a lot that a man should be the mountain that a woman's emotional waves crash into.
He should be there for her fully.
This isn't like big G pimpin' type stuff.
Like he's truly there for this woman in every way.
They're talking all the time.
They're in a constant contact.
They love each other.
It's true love.
Is it dark?
Yeah.
But listen, if it's not me and you against the world, if the love's not dark, if it's not me and you against everything that everybody's saying, I don't want that love at all.
Because that's that boring shit that ends up going off anyway.
So many people get married every day in America.
They make these vows to be, you know, hey, I'm going to be the best man I can be and all this other stuff.
But they come home, they pop open a beer, they get fat.
You want a man that's actually on a mission that's out there trying to do something so he can make your dreams come true and take you on a carpet ride through time and space.
Nothing more.
I completely agree with the notion that a relationship should be two individuals building each other up and pushing each other.
I'm just trying to investigate the asymmetry and why you would have her passwords, but not vice versa.
Is it that you wouldn't trust her?
Is it that you'd want to monitor the messages before they come in so that she doesn't see them first?
Like, what is the intention?
No, she would be able to see them, but it's just a trust thing between me and a woman.
Like, you would want me to have your passwords.
Not even me.
If you were in love with said man, you would either want to either get off of it.
There it is.
Or.
Yeah, because you have to understand.
As a man, like you, for example, beautiful woman, very smart too, by the way.
I think you've been pretty impenetrable on this show.
I'm very impressed by you.
This isn't Riz, like, just genuine compliment, truly.
But your marketing yourself on the internet would be a no-go for me.
Because if you were truly, truly giving yourself away to a man, you wouldn't market on the internet.
And I do look at it as marketing when a woman has her titties all over the internet.
And that's no disrespect.
That's just if it were my girl and I'm the person that's doing everything I can to fight and make her life 10x would it be without me, then that would be a simple expectation.
And I don't think that's too much to ask.
I think that's 100% your prerogative.
My issue more is when men have asymmetrical standards.
So they want a girl who's not showing her titties on Instagram, but then their explore page is full of Instagram models and they're liking their posts or they're watching porn.
So for me, if I found a guy who wouldn't want me on Instagram and that was the love of my life, I would just want him to not be on Instagram either.
If you wanted my passwords, if you want my passwords, the same cuts both ways.
And if anything, it makes more sense for the girl to have the guy's passwords because guys would be the first to argue that guys are the first astray.
Just related to the asymmetry thing, so I kind of want to add a little bit to that.
So for example, do you think that a guy who desires a woman with a low body count, who doesn't have a promiscuous past, yet, for example, he might be promiscuous or he's got a bunch of women or he has a high body count?
Do you quarrel with that?
Do you take an issue with that?
Because you mentioned you have an issue with asymmetry.
Do you have an issue with that?
100%.
Like I said, I think it's your prerogative to find someone who matches your values.
I'm highly selective.
I want a partner who's also highly selective.
I don't think that maps onto body count because, for instance, if a girl tells you, like, I have 80 bodies, you can't deduce how selective she is because that could be.
But you can deduce she's not selective because she has 80 bodies.
You can't.
Elizabeth High.
You can't because that's a bit hot.
Wouldn't you argue women have access to fuck every single man on this planet?
She sells a 99.9999% curve rate.
80s.
You're proving my point.
That means 80s.
That's a lot different.
That's a lot of people.
I'm saying context is important and I wouldn't.
Context is important.
I wouldn't reduce it to just a number.
For instance, body count usually just refers to penal vaginal sex.
Like, would you consider her selective if she has just a ton of lesbian sex?
But she's like, fucking ran through.
That's the issue.
She's ran through.
Ran through.
She's ran through in a very specific way.
They don't care if you fuck a thousand women, but one guy.
They care about.
So yes, if you care if you fuck a thousand women.
Sure, but typically the traditional body count conversation doesn't care about that.
Here, let's have Justin come in.
Well, I just want to be very clear about this.
You're looking for a fair situation, but new slash, the light world is not fair.
Like, that man is going to get up and go through stress every day and face the challenges of the world while you have a pretty cushed life.
Men have always slept with multiple women.
It's not fair.
It's bullshit.
I know it hurts.
I know it sucks.
I know it's not a good thing to say, but it is absolutely true.
And you are at the top of your sexual marketplace value.
And there's going to be 24.
Am I past it?
Yeah.
No, you're at the middle of the day.
I'm two days old in 24.
No, it's all good.
You're probably at the top.
Let me tell you where you're not.
You're not at 30 where you're at a time and you want to have children and you're absolutely in love with a man and he loves you in every way and you feel safe around him.
You're not in that position yet.
So you can't see an outcome where you would give a little to take a little back.
And I'm cool with that.
But I will tell you this, when you get up higher in age and the clock's ticking and that man's good to you and you trust him and you feel safe around him and he's truly your best friend and you look up to him and admire him, then you might think differently about how you feel now.
And I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just telling you that your opinion might change in time.
Sure.
My point was in response to his, which is, would I have a problem with the asymmetry of wanting a woman with a low body count while having a high one?
And I would, because what I consider a valid reason for preferring a partner with a low body count is that it's better for pair bonding.
You're less likely, if you don't have that propensity to seek novelty, you're less likely to stray.
People who are more promiscuous, they tend to be more unfaithful.
Correct.
That cuts both ways.
The studies do not.
The studies clearly show that it is far, far more likely the case with women than men.
In fact, in some cases, after a certain amount, it's negligible with men.
With over 20, when women have slept with over 20 men, it's like a 17% chance that she's still happy in a marriage.
For men, it does not show that drop-off.
It does when we're talking about virgins.
We're talking about two virgins, yes.
But the question you asked before, what is the one thing before you went to the bathroom that you're most upset about with dating?
It's that people don't look up these studies.
That is the one thing I'm the most upset about.
People are listening to Oprah Winfrey and Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg and Dr. Phil.
They're not listening to Dr. David Buss and Stephen Stewart Williams and Gad Sad.
There's studies on every one of these questions that we have, and they've been handled.
Beauty is not subjective.
It is objective.
Like hypergamy is not something that is created.
That's cultural.
We know now that it's genetic.
Sure, let's stay on topic.
So my point was that guys are seeking virgins.
So the reciprocity of that would be a guy who's also a virgin.
Like you just said, you can cite a study that proves that when both partners are virgins, there's a higher, like the pair bonding is more intense.
Correct.
Yeah, but you're not going to be attracted to a man that's a virgin.
Yeah, that's the other problem.
But guys, typically, when they talk about body count, their ideal body count is zero in a woman.
So I was giving you the converse.
Uneducated guys who don't fuck.
Yeah, those guys don't have sex.
Look, you want a low body count.
I'll say a single digit number is probably what you're looking for as a man.
I'm not even saying I'm looking for that.
Like I said, I don't think you can deduce selectiveness from a number because context matters.
You could have gone through a breakup and been traumatized and maybe fucked 80 people in one week, but then you were absolutely aware of that.
I'll say that was a broken bird.
That's a broken bird.
Go ahead.
I got one, but go ahead.
Let her go.
Okay, I just think, okay, you're overcomplicating things.
Again, everyone's overcomplicating things.
I don't think anyone wants to sleep with a woman or get settled down with a woman who has 80 bodies.
That's disgusting.
How am I overcomplicating?
I'm not sure what I'm doing.
I'm not sure if I'm breaking down.
I know you're breaking it down, but it's something that doesn't need to be broken down.
Most people, if they hear that you have 80 bodies, it'll be like, I bet you fucking have a lot of people.
Let me tag something on at the end of that there.
The reason why men have a sex, I want to say revulsion response, because there's a human revulsion response, but it's intense for certain things, like you want to get away from a dead body.
You want to get away from a dead body.
You want to get away from things that smell, like feces.
Yeah, fear of heights.
There are things that human beings are instinctually want to get themselves away from, okay?
When you're looking for, when a woman, it seems like she's easy or she's had 80 bodies or she has children from another man, there is a hesitation in men that is instinctual.
And the reason for that is because that woman represents a bad bet for his paternity.
That's why the body count matters to guys, and it doesn't matter quite as much to women.
For a guy who has a high body count, I believe it was Sterling who was saying this, is that that is like one of the highest ways of demonstrating higher value or pre-selection, that's what it was.
Because if a guy knows his way around your body better than you do, you know he fucks.
You know that he has been rewarded by other men or other men, other women who have had sex with him in the past enough so he has the experience to know what he's doing in the bedroom.
So there's that aspect.
But then the other part of it is this, is that the reason why promiscuity works one way for men and it does not work for women is because of that paternity.
It's the understanding and ascertaining whether or not the child is his child.
Because since we were living in hunter-gatherer groups on the sub-Saharan African people, until 1980.
Yeah, until we could actually have DNA tests.
Paternity tests.
Yeah, so men have, it's been in our biological, evolutionary, innate interests to know or to try to ascertain whether or not the baby is our baby.
So that's why men mate guard.
That's why when women and men get jealous because of infidelity, men tend to focus on the physical act.
Did you have sex with him in the bathroom?
Did he come?
Did he have a bigger dick than I did?
Did you get off?
Those are the particulars that guys want to know when infidelity takes place.
When a woman gets jealous because of infidelity, it's do you love her?
Am I losing my investment?
Is my long-term security with this guy?
Is that endangered?
That's why that's where that jealousy comes from.
So there's differences because men and women are different and we have different priorities when it comes to reproduction as well as family creation as well.
So when we're talking about 80 bodies, when you say, hey, I've had 80 guys, that's a pool of 80 men in which one of those guys, or probably some of those guys, could have been the guy that you can't get over.
Or maybe he's the guy that whether he did or he didn't doesn't make any difference, but he's still thinking, like on a hind brain, lizard brain level, that there's a possibility that she was impregnated by one of these guys and she can't get over that guy.
You're a bad bet for my paternity.
Yeah, sure.
I just love that we revert to these primordial justifications for wanting a woman with a low body.
When guys are going to respond to it, when guys find out when girls are on birth control, if guys' main prerogative is to like spread their seed, then why is it they're looking for women who are on birth control?
They want their attraction to women for 80 years.
They're not even intellectual.
I didn't say it was.
They're not a good idea.
I'm saying we use biology as an excuse when reality biology refers to life and life's processes and our capacity.
Our capacity for culture, our capacity for culture falls under biology.
Our development of paternity tests, birth control, condoms, that all falls under biology and our capacity.
Culture is downstream from biology.
You don't get society, you don't get social construction without biology first that drives that.
Yeah, I think you're over-intellectualizing a lot of this.
Like you said, it could be boiled down to biology.
That's not a response.
Well, no, no, I just think that's why it's a response.
No, it is.
Your question is, is it right?
And his response is, this is why it is.
So the problem is what people will do is they'll say, this man is just a small dick energy or whatever thing that they have to say to make or denigrate men for having some sort of preference.
And the reality is these things happen because men have 17 times as much testosterone as women.
And throughout our evolutionary history, we are the ones that were the disposable gender.
And because of that, we compete with other men for women.
The men who make it to the top throughout history have had more sexual partners.
That's just the way that it's been.
It's not an excuse.
Have every right to think it's wrong if you want to think it's wrong.
But it's not hypocritical because we're different.
If you and I were to join the Marine Corps, I have to do more push-ups than you because the world is different for men than it is for women.
If you and I were to join the fire department, I have to do more pull-ups than you because men and women are different.
And so, in this case, it's the same thing.
I am not sure of the paternity of the child, of your child, but you always are.
And because of that reason, your body count will always matter more than mine.
That's just a function of biology.
That's a justification for not being polyamorous, not for not having a high body count.
So, that makes sense why you wouldn't want your girlfriend to be fucking 10 guys at once because you won't be able to discern it.
If a girl fucked 80 guys 10 years ago and has been abstinence still, how does that justification?
It's an innate hesitation.
Okay, I also just wanted to say, on the topic of biology, women literally, they menenstrate around like male testosterone.
Like, the more they're exposed to testosterone, the more they have sex, the more their cycle will align with that because of a very biological thing.
What is your point?
My point is that you're just intellectualizing, again, something that is very basic.
What does menstruation have to do with this?
Basically, because women, sorry, sorry, I'm not finished.
That's all you.
I mean, you said you were in hot lobby, so you should be used to this.
Okay, but you said go ahead and then you're gonna go to the next slide.
Just go say biologically, our bodies are-closer to the mic.
Yeah, our bodies do sort of correspond with males.
Like, it's like the testosterone that they emit kind of triggers something in us, like the pheromones.
So, you can't just intellectualize something when it's already so okay.
You wanted to go, go ahead.
Basically, the reason why men cheat is not because they don't like the girls.
For us, like when you sleep with a guy, we're emotionally invested.
For a guy, he's not emotionally invested into us.
Most of the time, it's just the heat of the moment.
And then the next morning, after and the next morning, after you know, that one-night stand, there's that post-nut clarity that he feels like he doesn't see a life with you.
That's the oxytocin kicking in.
Exactly.
But, you know, he doesn't see a life with you, and he doesn't see you as a partner or a relationship or anything.
It's oxytocin.
For him, it's tryptophan.
And for a female, it's you know, for guys, it's all performance.
It's performance-based.
For females, we don't really do as much during, like, you know, when we're on the bed.
It's usually guys.
Can I clarify something here really quickly?
Because what you're bringing up is kind of a common misperception, okay?
It's like, well, and I see this in the chat as well here: is that it's like it's no longer the devil made me do it, it's my biology made me do it, and we don't have any control over it.
No, we absolutely are responsible for our own actions and for as far as the results and any of the consequences that come after that.
I'm not saying that we should be absolved of any of those things.
The other thing is that you're conflating what's known as proximate goal versus ultimate goal.
So, in an evolutionary perspective, I might want, like when I met my wife for the first time and I saw her at the club, I didn't go, hmm, I wonder if she'd be a really good mother for my children.
I wonder if we could start a family together and we could reproduce.
And like, my focus is on actually, you know, breeding with this woman that I just met in the club.
My focus is on, I want to tap that ass.
That's the proximate goal.
The ultimate goal is having kids and having a family and everything else.
Now, that ultimate goal is something that gets also downstream once again from the biology.
So, proximate goal and ultimate goal are both downstream from the biological fact that this is what men are about.
Yeah.
Just one thing on biology, right?
So, and Roller, you were making the argument, hey, it's kind of based in biology, paternity uncertainty.
And you sort of objected to that a little bit.
At least that was my impression.
No, I didn't object to it.
I'm saying the objection could also be based in biology.
Sure.
Wait, what's the objection?
Well, no, the biology made me do it.
My selfish gene made me do it.
I'm saying our evolvement of culture is also biological.
Like you said, culture follows streams.
But it's always, but our involvement of culture is always set up so that it fits our biology.
Does that make sense?
We don't build cities made of sulfur and ammonia, right?
Because they're toxic to human beings, and we don't generally jump off our balconies every day.
We have elevators.
Our societies are created for the safety and procurement of Homo sapiens.
So that's because biology leads culture.
Does that make sense?
In every case, biology leads culture.
But it's never the other way around.
I think what you were kind of getting at is you were saying, well, when you have sex with someone, you know, you mentioned birth control, for example.
Well, why?
God damn.
You know, what's the deal with birth control?
You know?
You recall when you're saying that?
So I guess my response to you is: well, if you're kind of saying men should disregard their sort of innate biological response to this, then shouldn't women also, for example, disregard their attraction towards men who are tall, for example, which has a root in biology.
Or, sorry, go ahead.
I was saying men already disregard that biological need when they fuck with a condomon because if they're like, if their goal is to spread their seed, because that's what the biological instinct is, but he kind of made the differentiation between approximate desire and then ultimate desire.
Or a conscious desire and a subconscious desire.
You have a neocortex.
That's what celebrates you.
I'm sorry, separates you from lizards.
You can cognitively, your genes have no contrast, your genes don't understand what contraceptives are.
If your genes understood what contraceptives are, they never let you use them.
Your genes want to replicate themselves, but you cognitively understand what contraceptives are.
You subconsciously do not.
And that's where the conundrum comes in.
Exactly what Michael said.
Like, you can want to spread your seed.
That's the objective of sex, right?
But you can also do that at a time where you're not ready to have a kid.
So your biology, your genes, everything is telling you, like, I want to go through with this.
Your brain up here is saying, I don't want a kid right now.
So it has nothing to do with that argument at all.
Well, I would say also most people who are having sex, it's more for cat, it's like casual.
It's recreational.
Yeah, excuse me, recreational, yes.
I want to have just a little back and forth with you.
The thing about the tall preference?
A little bit, but it was more so, I guess you said it was a bit of a double standard, right?
Well, you say, okay, when it comes, like, for example, a guy who has a high body count, you object to him desiring a partner who has a low body count.
But then how come short women can desire tall men?
Is that what you're going to ask?
Well, you're preempting me a little bit there.
But basically, I mean, I guess my question to you is: is it wrong to desire things in a partner that you yourself do not possess?
No, and I don't think that was the basis of my argument.
We were talking about a study which posits that two virgins have the optimal marriage success rate.
So I'm saying in that, that's not.
Well, I think you're shifting a little bit because initially I think you were saying, well, it's, I don't know your exact wording, but it sounded like you objected to, for example, a guy who has a high body count desiring a woman with a low.
In that specific instance, but I'm not saying, I'm not making the generalization that you can't want something that you personally lack.
I was saying in that specific instance, it doesn't map on because of the study we mentioned where it does map on.
So it's not reasonable to hope to, like, I'm just going to be honest with you, the probability of the person you marrying being a virgin is infinitesimally low.
You understand that?
Why?
I thought guys are more often virgins than girls.
It's way harder for guys to get laid.
No, no, I agree with that.
You won't be attracted to them.
No matter what you tell us about your energy and the connection and the chemistry.
No offense.
Like, I just don't believe that you fully understand what you're attracted to.
I think later on, once you come to the realization that you keep finding these certain individuals attractive for certain reasons, and those reasons have to do with hypergamy, you're going to come to the realization that the things that cause those men to be virgins are the reasons why you won't be attracted to them.
And the likelihood of you finding a man that you have chemistry with is far more likely with a man who is attractive to the opposite sex.
So the likelihood of you finding a dude who is also a virgin is it becomes progressively lower and probably lower the longer you wait.
It becomes progressively lower.
Well, sorry.
I just wanted to go back to the point where you said like, oh, they're fucking us with condoms because they don't want to have kids.
I think the reason why they're fucking you with condoms, not you specifically, but in general, is because you've made yourself so easy.
Like they don't want to fuck someone who might give them gonorrhea, in my opinion.
I think it's more of a safety.
No, they want to fuck other girls that they don't want to get.
I don't think she's wrong, but I don't know where that came from.
No, I don't know.
No, no, no.
It's been stuck in my mind.
That's the proximate goal.
I want to get off of that girl.
We got the dunk that came out of nowhere, but I don't know where that's.
There's a loose ball foul.
Yeah.
Technical too.
But two free throws.
That was a good point, but I don't know how we got there.
Question for you.
Is that an expectation that you have?
Do you think that's going to happen for you?
Marrying a virgin guy.
No, I don't care.
Like I said, I don't conflate selectiveness with body count.
I've reiterated that several times.
Okay.
I don't value the guy being a virgin.
I want someone who's selective and has high standards.
Because to me, that's what correlates with infidelity.
Do you think there's men out there that would be with you and have not slept with women that are less attractive than you?
Wait, can you rephrase that?
So for example, if you date a man, would you expect that all the women that he had slept with would be at your level or higher?
Oh, that's not even technically what I meant by selectiveness.
I more so don't want to date a guy who's so horny and down bad that he gets like one DM from a girl and he jumps on it.
Does that make sense?
So that's what I judge fidelity on.
That's like the parameter I use, not body count.
Okay, but can I ask you a question?
Because you're over here saying that you yourself are not selective, but you want the guy to be selective.
When did I say I'm not selective?
I said I'm highly selective.
Well, no, but she was alleged.
You were saying how like you don't care if like they're fat, if they're this, if they're that, if they have more money, if they have less money.
I'm selective, just using a different metric than you are.
So you just want them to be like smart and funny, basically.
Yeah, I would say that's still highly selective.
The average person is a dumbass.
The average person is actually average.
The average person has a 100 like you.
I understand what you're saying.
The average person is not a dumbass.
It's just they're overrepresented.
By, you know, sorry, I'm going to go down a path and get myself in deep shit.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Do you have one?
We got a couple super chats here coming in.
I just wanted to kind of put a cherry on top on their little conversation.
So what I was kind of getting at, and I don't know if you've kind of almost walked back your position a little bit, but I think it's this whole thing of women objecting, for example, to a man who has a high body count, and he doesn't want a woman with a high body count or he wants a woman with a low body count.
I mean, women desire traits in men all the time that they don't possess themselves.
They want a guy who's funny, but they're not funny.
They want a guy who's rich, but she's not rich.
They want a guy who's charismatic, but she's not charismatic.
So, I mean, I think it's both men and women desire traits in partners that they themselves don't possess.
Men and women are just, we're not equal.
Sure, if I prefer a brunette guy over blonde, that's a preference.
When guys talk about preferring a girl who's a virgin, that's not their preference.
That's a philosophy.
They're saying a girl who's a virgin, they're saying a girl.
It's a preference.
It's a preference on the fact that they think that girl is less likely to cheat.
They think she'll make a better wife.
When I prefer a brunette, it's not because I think it's going to be a better husband.
It's not because I think it'll propagate the nuclear family in America more than a blonde.
But when they talk about girls with low body counts, that's kind of what they're propagating.
So what you're saying is that it's complaining.
I'm saying they're not really referring to preference.
They're saying there's a reason they use the term low-value woman.
Not calling a brunette a high value guy or a blonde a low value guy.
Red pillars will call a girl with a high body count low value and a girl who's a virgin high value.
So it's not preference, they're.
They're mapping onto what they consider objective virtues.
If I prefer a woman with a low body count, isn't that a preference?
It is.
But you know the sphere we're referring to, the red pill sphere.
They'll say that's an objective virtue of these terms.
You heard of the red pill sphere.
I've never heard of this red pill sphere.
Is that what we're calling it now?
I thought it was a manosphere.
What red pill is this?
What is this red pill speaks of?
I don't know why you're attaching this.
I mean before.
The red pill is a fairly new.
I mean within what?
The past 10 years, really 20 years.
What marks a preference is subjectivity.
But when guys talk about girls with low body counts, they're typically thinking of it in an objective way.
So even a guy who's not red pill, they'll probably say, this girl with a low body count is objectively better right, that's why it's still a preference.
But do you understand what i'm saying?
But that judgment is based on their biology and it's based on subconscious effects.
That's happened through evolutionary psychology, but it's not really a preference for them specifically.
They're saying it's a preference for their gender.
Men just don't want to fuck horse.
Better for what?
Yeah, they do want to fuck horse, but they don't want to like whatever man wants a slut, he just wants her to be his.
But like, I don't want to marry that slut, every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be his.
So if I like brunettes over blondes, i'm not going to say girls prefer brunettes over blondes.
When guys say I have a preference or low body count, typically they say guys prefer girls with low body counts.
You understand why that's not necessarily a preference, because they're not.
They're not speaking specifically for themselves.
That's why i'm saying it's more of a philosophy I prefer.
I prefer vanilla ice cream over poop ice cream and that's because of my genetics.
Like that's the reason why let's go back.
Let's go back to this other thing you were saying, how about this double standard?
I know several men and I have several clients that are under six feet tall and they don't get chosen by women.
Shockingly, some of them don't get.
They have a harder time with women than taller men.
That preference is also based in evolution and we, as men, are fully aware of it.
Do you think that's also a double standard that women have towards men?
Do women create a culture of podcasting and memes ridiculing men who are under six feet tall?
Yes, do I. Do I tell that a five foot ten guy is low value?
Yes, in retaliation, call her daddy, I don't want.
Yes, call her daddy.
The biggest podcast in the world, 50 million dollars.
I'm just saying I have yet to see.
I have yet to see a blue pill podcast.
No, it's not blue pill podcast, because they don't that.
No, there's all these things.
What do you call a guy who's 5'11 a friend?
You haven't seen this meme.
Watch anything by Benchiro and Matt Walsh, you'll see a blue pill.
They crucify men and they actually show.
When you look at dating apps, it goes.
They show tinderbumble and hinge.
They show a distribution of what women find attractive and 6'3 is actually the prime number.
Once you get above 6'3 6'6, it actually starts to drop.
At six feet tall, you're still really high.
It goes six feet and at 5'11, it plummets.
This doesn't happen in Europe because they use the metric system, but in the United States, at 5'11, they it plummets.
Yes, men do get ridiculed for being short.
Yes, they do this.
Not being ridiculed.
Yes, they're not being chosen selectively and they're being made fun of for being short.
I hear women all the time.
I listen to women talk all the time and one of the main complaints is, he's a great guy, but he's too short, so women are not ridiculed.
Yeah no no no, no.
That's literally, in that instance preference no listen, because when I said, when I said I wouldn't a fat bitch, you got mad.
But all All of a sudden, now that height is into the equation, for men, like, first of all, I wasn't the one.
Okay, okay, well, some of you got mad at the whole entire fat bitch thing.
So, it's not mad anymore.
We've moved on.
I know we moved on.
That was like about an hour ago.
I know, but I'm just saying that.
Like, that has everything to do with it.
Like, because height, it's in this.
Well, it's a biological thing.
That's another thing: it's an innate preference, if you want to use those terms.
But there's a difference between saying, I want a girl who's got like a brunette girl and a blonde girl, whatever.
That's, yeah, that's a fetish, a preference, whatever.
But the reason why I am hesitant to get with a single mommy is because I have 100,000, 200,000 years of evolution that says that woman is provably already raising the child, or I would have to raise the child of another man right there.
So that hesitancy is not a preference.
It is a biological adaptation to be aware that if I go and I put my resources towards raising that, you know, participating in the parental investment of another man's child just a second here, Roland.
Dear Khalifa, you're failing to understand that the double standard of promiscuity applies to marriage.
Men want female virgins for marriage.
Per Institute for Family Studies, multiple sex partners reduced marital quality for women but not men.
Alvin, Sam, thanks for the big $200 donut.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, I would say in general, women aren't necessarily more or less attracted to men based off their body count.
But if we're trying to propagate the healthiest and most successful institution of marriage, that's based off both partners being virgins until marriage.
The original point you made was about a double standard.
And the thing is, let's bring up one more part about this double standard.
For me, being afraid to be with a woman who's been with 80 guys, there's actual studies that show, from an evolutionary standpoint, Institute for Family Studies, the study he just brought up, there's actual studies that show that, that could be deleterious for my relationship.
For you to choose a man who's under six feet tall, some of the best fighters on the planet are under six feet tall.
Some of the baddest Marines and Navy SEALs on earth are under six feet tall.
Probably most of them.
And so the point is where you're provisioning, the reason why women prefer tall men is for protection.
The protection paradigm doesn't fit anymore in 2023 because a guy who's 5'6 can buy a Glock.
It's a different world now.
So what we have to believe as far as our prejudice against a woman with a high body count still is effective.
It's still an effective protection for us in 2023.
But women choosing taller men is actually irrational.
It's actually irrational.
Jeff Bezos, like it's actually irrational for you to do that.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
That's the reason why, for our preference, both of these preferences are based in evolution.
But our preference actually still makes sense.
Whereas the preference for tall men, actually, and I'm saying this as a guy 6'2, the preference for tall men actually doesn't make sense anymore.
It doesn't.
And that's the thing that's so crazy about it.
So I actually think for women, men choosing women with a low body count actually makes more sense from an evolutionary standpoint, is not a philosophy, and is actually just a preference that's based on evolution.
You see, and just one thing really quick.
You said that you seem to have an issue if we use the plural.
So if on an individual level, a guy says, I don't want a girl with a high body count, you consider that a preference.
But if a guy were to say men, generally speaking, don't want women who are promiscuous or don't want women with high body count, then that becomes a what?
I said that's a philosophy.
I didn't say it's a philosophy because of the plurality.
I said it's a philosophy because it's usually tied to the idea that this is what's better for society.
The downfall of Western society is because of female homoscuity.
That's usually what gets conflated in with this idea with low body count.
Well, I mean, you're taking it in an interesting direction.
Would it also be a philosophy then to say that if a woman were to say, generally speaking, women prefer men who are tall, is that a philosophy or is that just an acknowledgement of it's a philosophy if they talk about it in a reciprocal way to the way they just did.
So if I were to say tall men are objectively better enough, I was like a tall man supremacist because I said, you know, short men are less than tall men are what we need for protection, but usually women aren't even necessarily thinking about protection like he was saying.
It's kind of a false equivalency at this point.
They are still attracted to they are, but he was asking what delineates between the preference and the philosophy.
So that was my answer.
What?
Can we move on?
Can we please?
My question is, I know that the height thing is actually like a real issue for girls.
Hold on just a second.
Ivan Jr. demanded.
Thank you, Ivan.
I appreciate him.
Men following model types doesn't mean they want one.
Social media is an illusion.
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Listen to Waller.
Feminism pushed both into working.
Have ladies lost trust to be dependent on men and let them lead.
Study 7 to 0.
Yo, Ivan, thank you for the big $200 super chat, man.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you.
You could take us to Burger King with all these $200 super chats.
Hey, let's go make Mike Davis rich.
Let's go make Mike Davis rich.
Come on.
He's already rich.
He's got 300 fucking Burger Kings.
We got a couple hand raises here.
So while we'll go you Aspen, then we'll go you, then we'll go you.
My question was, how can we, so I really liked your point about it actually still being a problem for women to have high body counts, but it's really not a problem for guys to be short and date them.
How do we help girls get over this?
I mean, there's a lot of ways to do this.
I actually think a function of gratitude and maybe here's the issue that happens, and this isn't the solution, but this is part of the problem.
What happens is a girl will go through her life and she'll be pretty average on social media.
There's no average for men.
Men are really good on social media.
They look terrible.
For women, women can be average and still slide into a celebrity's DMs and still have sex with a celebrity, right?
There's numerous stories about Leonardo DiCaprio, numerous about different guys just running through girls throughout Hollywood, okay?
Chris Brown, Nick Cannon, et cetera, right?
And their rosters never end, okay, when it comes to that.
The problem is, is once she has sex with Blake Griffin the first time or Nick Cannon or whoever, every man from that point afterwards, she compares to, or rather, she measures her value based on the fact that she fucked an NBA Power Forward.
Now, every guy after that has to compare to the NBA Power Forward.
And when he doesn't, because of his finances or his height or whatever reason, she has an easier escape route.
It's easier to pull the rip cord and to gout because she already knows that she could have sex with the guy in her mind.
Maybe she can change him.
She can be the one to wife him up or for her to be wifed up.
And I see this several times where I have a lot of my female friends who are delusional who live in Los Angeles and they're saying, yeah, so-and-so I used to date so-and-so.
And I'm like, no, you didn't.
I know him and his wife.
I'm sure he fucked you.
I have no doubt whatsoever.
That dude never claimed you for one fucking second in his life.
And I've seen this happen over and over again.
And these girls legitimately defined their own attractiveness and their standard by some celebrity they had sex with.
Or it could be, let's take it all the way back.
You're in high school and it's the quarterback of the football team.
Or it's the manager at the Denny's.
Let's bring it way down.
It's still like that.
And so when that happens, you end up with women having, for lack of a better term, delusional beliefs about what their levels of attractiveness are.
And so now everyone has to be at that range.
And now they have what's called dopamine resets.
Dr. Andrew Hubberman talks about this.
Their dopamine resets to the point where they can only feel attraction for these men who are at these unattainable levels.
And then once they hit 30, you know, once they hit the end of their, once they get to an epiphany phase, then all of a sudden those things don't become quite as important.
And that's another evolutionary adaptation.
Because now they look back and now, when they were 23 and didn't want to settle down and wanted to date the power forward, now they're 30, they look back and now there's a 23-year-old who is dating that power forward.
And he's not calling her back anymore.
Or if he does, it's just for sex.
And so that's the problem.
And so a cognitive, for women, a cognitive recognition that this is the cycle that you're going through and then deciding to not go through that cycle, that's the only thing that I can tell you.
I mean, it's hard.
Yeah, it sounds like you have to actually rewire your brain and realize the good that you're going to be doing.
You have to understand the situation.
Understand the situation that you are in.
An exceptional amount of gratitude for the situation that you're in.
Yeah, I see the other good qualities that the guy might have and raise those higher than his height.
You literally have a lot of things.
He actually probably has more good qualities than the celebrity you had sex with, but you're not knowing that.
In their head.
Yeah, in their head.
When you were first telling us your situation, when I asked you, like, are your standards or are your guys you dated in your past, are they different than the guy you idealize as being the guy who would be, you know, the guy who's aligned with God and a good long-term relationship.
The reason is because when women get to be about 28, 29, 30, 31 years old, it's what I call the epiphany phase.
And that's when women start to reprioritize those things.
So when she was like 18 years old, she might be looking for nothing but the hottest guy that she can get with, like an athlete, a rock star, whatever it is, because that's the sexual energy or whatever you want to call it that she really, she is at the peak of her game and she can get that.
Once she gets down to be about 29, 30, 31 years old, it's not that she doesn't want a hot guy.
She does.
It's just that the priority switches where he's got to have a better job or he's got to love his mom or he wants to have kids or he wants to love God and go forward.
I think that that is happening to me.
Like I think that's actually starting to happen where it feels like I'm just maturing and being like, oh, like what are these more important qualities?
Because you're thinking about it.
Like, I want somebody that's hot and tall.
You're coming out of it.
You're coming out of what, not my words, you're coming out of what's called the hoe phase.
18 to 28 years old, that's when they're at the party.
I was nice.
I called it the party phase.
Exploration phase.
Because you can afford to do that.
Like when women say, you know, men ain't shit.
And when women say, men are threatened by powerful, or women, or men are threatened by powerful men, or they have fragile egos, or where are all the good guys?
Those women tend to be 29, 30, 31 years old, or older than that, because that becomes a priority for them at that point.
You don't hear that from younger women.
It's just, it's funny because I have a lot of friends that are my age and they're virgins and they're single and they're going to be amazing partners.
And I, so hearing what you're saying is actually making it make more sense.
But I do also feel that closer to the mic.
I do also feel that the guys aren't taking responsibility.
You're correct in that assumption.
And so it's like there's like this trade-off.
Like we're going to not, I wouldn't say lower our standards, but our priorities are switching.
And then the guys, I think, are starting to wake up at that age too.
For sure.
I would also argue that when you get to be 29, 30, 31 years old, you also got to remember that that coincides with when women say, my biological clock is ticking, which is actually untrue.
It was really probably when you were 22 or 23 years old.
And then on top of that, what is the average age of first marriage in the United States?
29, 30 for men, and 28, 29 for women.
So it all coincides right at that point, conveniently.
Let's get a couple of soup chats in here.
Did you guys still have a point?
You had a hand raised earlier.
We can get to it after the chat certificate.
Sure, we can come back to it if you guys remember.
All right, Dave on Jackson, thank for the 100.
Avery, can you read this one?
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Nobody gives a fuck, my friends.
Be funny, make a comment, or shut the fuck up, please.
And thank you all, Sophara is at Mr. Girl levels of never answering a question without a thorough meta combo first.
Word.
No, he's right.
But then again, I'm just talking.
You got to realize that I'm 18.
I'm way younger than everybody else in this panel.
Wait.
Way younger.
Not way younger, but then again, as you said, I have a right to be in my home face right now.
So anything I shoot out.
No one has a right to say you were in your home face.
But there's a great idea.
It's like I have a right to get it.
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
You just get to do it.
You do it or you don't do it.
I do it.
But then again, I do believe in a relationship.
I strongly do believe in a relationship.
But going forward right now, I don't see that because that does not benefit me in any way.
I need somebody that benefits me, that helps me push me to my goal.
And if you don't do that, then there's.
You don't need a man.
Exactly.
And so I just be the man and I play the man for so long until someday one guy will walk up to me and be that male lead and show me that, you know, that I don't need to be a man.
That guy will have to be more of a man than you are.
Exactly.
And he'll have to be into men as well.
Wait, huh?
Wait, wait, wait.
Well, because you become the man you want to marry.
Why would you want to get with, like, why would a guy want to get with another guy if he was assuming he's heterosexual?
That's true.
But then again, I do have female qualities.
It's not just because it's just a front.
Do you think that you should develop those female qualities?
Well, you're 18, right?
Of course.
Do you think you should be there?
Do you think you eventually do that?
Do you think that perhaps maybe you need to lean into your feminine a little bit?
Of course.
But, you know, down the line, I will experience that.
But right now, I'm so focused on many different qualities, just like how some people want to be doctors, how some people want to be lawyers.
I'm 18.
I'm starting out from that.
Uh-huh.
You said you wanted to do like your whole face.
Some people go from 18 to 19.
She's in a relationship.
So if I get into a relationship, how does that push me to become a nurse?
What does that male do to push me to be a nurse?
Does he tell me to wake up on time to go to my classes?
Does he tell me to pay, does he pay for my class?
Thanks for agreeing with my tweet from this week.
I think you're setting yourself up for failure in a way.
If you're, like, doing your whole phases so early, like, you're not going to end up with meaningful relationships if you keep it up, you know?
Speaking of...
Having a meaningful relationship is two different things.
There's also a main person and there's a side person.
As a guy, there's always going to be some guys out there.
There's going to be a main and there's going to be a side.
The main will always get mad at you at everything, every little thing.
This is your philosophy at 18 years old?
Jesus Christ.
I have seen so many things.
I'm telling you.
I have seen so many things.
And as a female, as a guy, you don't want a girl constantly down your throat asking me where you are, who you're with, and where you're going.
You know, that's why a side person and a side doesn't really ask you that.
They just sleep with you one day and sleep with you another.
Whenever you ask, you always have that side person to talk to, to rant, to vent.
Can I redirect us here a little bit?
Have you been the side person?
Of course.
I've been the side and I have been the main.
I have played all this from type of people.
Let me see if I can redirect her because we actually got on this tangent because the ladies were asking us what is our like our ideal mate, right?
I mean, I'm just going to read back because he came up with a very a lot of this stuff pretty much whenever we're on, it's like, I kind of let you pick up half of it and I'll pick up the other half.
The other half is this, is that I don't want a woman who is submissive.
I want a woman who has genuine desire for me.
So when you talk about OnlyFans, I want a woman who is going to give up OnlyFans without being asked.
That I am the one that she wants to say, you know what?
I don't want there to be any fucking confusion whether or not I am into this guy and I really want to be with this guy.
So I am going to take it upon myself to close my Instagram account, close my OnlyFans account, because this is, I'm a rider guy, girl.
This guy is the one for me.
I don't want to have babies.
I want to have his babies.
This is the guy that I want.
And I want her to be so fucking sure of that, that she's going to change her religion and she's going to follow me across the ocean to my homeland and stay with me because she has that level of desire for me.
It's not submissive.
It's not enslavement.
It is desire, so much desire on the part of that woman for that guy that she wants to be with him no matter what, ride or die.
She's going to break me out of prison.
Why would it not?
We have asked this on Access Bag several times.
And I think the question we need to be asking is this, especially for the ladies on the panel here, is if you met the right guy and you have OnlyFans or you have an Instagram account, would you take it upon yourself?
Would you have the insight to say, you know what?
I don't want this guy to think that I'm actually advertising my sexuality to anyone else.
I'm going to take that down on my own without having to be asked.
Would you do that?
Absolutely.
If it was the right, if he was a ride or die girl.
Of course.
Or you were the ride or die girl.
I would give him my passwords.
I would delete everything.
No passwords.
And everything.
I would just, because I would want that security.
I want to have that security with my partner.
So what would you sacrifice?
And would you occur to you to want to delete your OnlyFans, delete your Instagram, delete any of it?
Because you don't want to advertise yourself and you don't want there to be any confusion with that guy.
Of course.
And I need that.
You need to be direct.
You need to tell me face-to-face, sit down with me.
You do it yourself.
You have that much desire to say, you know what?
He doesn't need to ask me.
I don't need to know what the boundaries are.
I already know what they are and I'm going to do it myself.
There's a process before that.
There's a process before that.
How are you going to find that guy?
Hold on, One thing I would say is this about it, is that I would argue that that might not be in some girls' consciousness at 18.
So although I agree with Rollo, him telling you directly and you being able to do it with no problem and knowing that's exactly what you want to do because you were so in love with him, you have that true genuine desire would be acceptable in my opinion.
I think you would agree with that.
Yeah, I would, I would agree with that.
But see, the problem is you get into this quandary, I guess, because usually what they say is, if the guy asked you to delete your account, would you do it?
And that's insecure.
And what they'll say is, well, if he was the right guy, he wouldn't be asking me.
No, what I'm asking is if he's the ideal guy, would you think, would it be a concept in your head, an insight to say, I better cut this shit out?
Yes.
I don't want this to be taken the wrong way, but I'm going to say no due to the fact that, for example, OnlyFans.
I don't have it.
She does, right?
You have Instagram.
You have an Instagram.
I do have an Instagram.
But I'm just saying, for example, OnlyFans, because she is making an income out of it.
If she's talking to someone and she all of a sudden just stops doing OnlyFans, she has no income.
And then that dude just ends up not being that person.
She can have a feeling like, oh, this person.
But that dude is like Justin Waller.
He's taking care of everything for you.
Okay, you want to come in?
Go ahead.
Yeah, I just wanted to say, like, even when I'm talking to somebody, because I have a boyfriend now, and I've been talking to him.
We got together recently.
So that's, it was important to me to make sure that I was talking to only him, even when we were just in the talking phase.
So I think this whole idea, like, oh, there's people on the sides, and even just giving up, like, your socials and stuff, I do it in a heartbeat because immediately I cut off every guy when I'm just talking to this man.
He had my phone passwords.
I said, here, go through my Snapchat.
Like, it's all yours because it's important to show that you're committed before you even start the relationship.
That's how he knows.
Let me can I cut, that's really a good observation because the follow-up to this is this, is you were talking about double standards just a minute ago, okay?
So when a man and a woman get together into some kind of relationship, men, when they are trying to get with a girl, they're the ones who have to sell themselves because of performance.
We have to be the ones who can qualify.
We have to look good.
We have to have a good job.
We have to be funny.
I mean, you think about all the criteria that men have to have to actually get in a woman's pants, much less have a relationship with that woman.
Men have to sell themselves on performance.
Women, on the other hand, advertise themselves on the sexual marketplace.
So whether that's Instagram or that's OnlyFans or however you're doing it, women are the advertisers.
Men are the ones who are the salesmen.
We're the pitchmen.
We're trying to get you to accept us as an intimate, okay?
So, and some of them, some of us have a much easier time of this.
Other guys have to actually work their asses, have to ask, work their asses off to do that, right?
For record, I work my ass off.
You do, Jay, you do work your ass off.
You know, he's trying to say you're too bad.
So when you get into a relationship, if it's closed on her end and closed on your end, what that means is that that guy can no longer sell himself on the sexual marketplace.
He can't pitch himself because he would be a cheater, right?
If he's trying to go get with a waitress and you're in a relationship and he's flirting with her and trying to promote himself to get to sell his sexuality to that person, we call that cheating.
But yet when women still advertise themselves on OnlyFans, on Instagram, we don't have a problem with that.
Or women say it's my only source of income or whatever.
And that's the hard part of this is we've attached that advertising to women's revenue streams right now.
But it's okay for men or for us to call men who would advertise themselves in a relationship or pitch themselves in a relationship.
We call them cheaters.
But we don't say the same thing for women who are advertising themselves.
That's why I was saying advertise themselves once they are in that relationship.
If it is closed on his end and closed on her end, it should occur to you to say, I'm going to take all of my, I'm going to stop advertising my sexy ass.
I'm not saying, you know, delete your Instagram, but take down the thong pictures, take down the sexualized pictures, so that there is no confusion.
Do you guys know what a soft launch is?
Somebody knows what a soft launch is.
Soft launch is when women have a new boyfriend and they don't show the boyfriend immediately.
They'll show like hands together or they'll show like the feet on the beach or some shit like that.
Because women know that they will lose market share on their advertising if they show a guy and suddenly that avail that promise, that fantasy of availability goes away.
The reason why women get upset about that is because they're still advertising from within a relationship where the guy has stopped, but the woman has not stopped advertising.
Okay, two things.
What you just said, the last part, advertising in two different ways.
In terms of advertising on OnlyFans, yes, 100%.
If I was dating a guy, I don't know if I would advertise it because that would affect my business.
But not every woman, most women are not on OnlyFans.
Are you saying that they wouldn't show hands because they still want to monkey branch and for men to pursue them?
Nothing to do with monkey branching.
What it has to do is the perception of your availability is limited.
It is curtailed by having the boyfriend in the shots and the photos with you.
For example, there was a series of photos of, and I don't know the name, sorry, but the professional soccer players with their wives and their girlfriends.
And you look at their Instagram, they're on the same beach and the same vacation.
No dudes.
No nudes, no nothing.
And you go and you look at their girlfriends or their wives' Instagram and same beach, just the girl that's all alone sitting in the surf and looking sexy.
If you look at like, so what is it, Aisha Curry and Stephan Curry?
Like she still wants to, even after she's with Stephan Kurt, Stephen Curry, for example.
He signed a deal for $500 million.
And she still wants, she's on Red Table Talk wanting to still say, hey, I want to be on Instagram.
I still want to advertise myself.
I still want to be.
I still want other men to find me sexy.
That's what I mean by advertising.
It's not necessarily like the, I mean, the OnlyFans thing, yeah, you're advertising yourself sexually when you do that, but it's not just that, and it's not just, it's not just like the soft launch, it is the fact that you are still there advertising while you would have a conniption fit if the guy was out there flirting with the waitress because he's following his sexual imperatives while he has to curtail his and you're not.
I think I have something good to say with this.
If that's not a double standard, I don't know what it is.
Not that like anything, I mean, it's fine.
If you want to do OnlyFans or whatever, and that's how you want to make your money, that is fine.
But then if you do have that, you cannot come then and say, I want to find my perfect man.
I've never had OnlyFans.
I've never started OnlyFans.
I never will have an OnlyFans because I, like, one of my goals in life that I knew that I was going to want to have, whether that be like now, which it has happened for me now, I got lucky.
Like, it happened for me.
And I don't have an OnlyFans, so that's proof that it can happen and that it happened because of that, right?
That I have like the man, the perfect man that like I think that I would want, that I would want to have, is sitting right next to me.
So that is proof that for that.
But I always knew that I would want that one day, right?
Like I would want to be married to the perfect man of like my dreams per se that I would want to be with, that I would want to raise my kids with me.
So I would never have that because I know that a man that I dream to have would not want a woman that is doing that.
So like that's that's kind of a little take on that.
And there's nothing, that's what you want to do, that's fine, but then you can't have them both.
It's just one of those things you can't have it both ways.
Like you pick and choose.
If you'd rather have OnlyFans and make all this money on OnlyFans, which girls do, there's girls that make so much money to do it.
So if you want to do that and have that, you can have that and do it.
But just know you're, it's going to be a lot harder and you probably aren't going to be able to have this as well.
So I had a question for you earlier and I totally forgot about it until right now.
You said you mentioned as an OnlyFans, no, you mentioned OnlyFans is a career path.
You said career path and you talked about a man taking away your career path.
I'm asking if you had gotten on the cover of Vogue, if you had gotten on the cover of FHM, if you had gotten on something else that didn't, where you could make a salary over $200,000, $500,000 a year, and you didn't have to have OnlyFans, would you still do OnlyFans?
Yeah, I mean, I was already making a decent salary just off TikTok sponsorship, so OnlyFans is an insane amount of money.
So you would still do OnlyFans because of the money.
What I'm saying is that you've got Giselle Munchin-type money.
You'd still want to do OnlyFans?
Not necessarily.
I don't think I could be bought.
For instance, if someone offered me like $100 mil for my Virginia, I wouldn't do it.
Right, right.
No, I wouldn't.
So money isn't the answer to that.
I would probably do it for $100 mil.
I'm not going to lie.
Can I ask the guys a question?
I mean, I know if you guys spent more money, you got OnlyFans.
I don't think that's what he was saying.
No, no, no.
What I'm saying is that you called it a career path.
Does that make sense?
Like, being in construction is a career path.
Laying bricks is not a career path.
It's a career of like content creation.
Right.
Well, the overall, but we're not worried about the TikTok part, right?
The guy you're going to marry is not super worried about the TikTok part.
It's this one part that they're going to have a little bit more concern about.
Do you understand how my only question is, I don't consider, I consider media maybe a career path, but OnlyFans is not necessarily a career path.
Does that make sense?
That's what I was confused when you were saying before.
A man would want to take me away from my career path.
And I think you're calling it a career path because it happens to be very lucrative for you.
But I don't think it's a career path.
I think if, and maybe I'm wrong, but what I felt like is if you were more respected as a traditional model, a little closer to Michael.
Sorry, if you were more respected as a traditional model, you might not want to do OnlyFans.
That's the only thing I'm asking.
OnlyFans are a lot more.
I was more so saying that because he was saying if he met a girl who's on OnlyFans, he'd want to transfer her into his mission, his framework.
So I was asking, is the transferring because it's specifically OnlyFans or just because that's what she's currently doing.
The three of us are in some way or another performance coaches, and it doesn't really look good for us to be dating girls who are doing things.
Could see if a girl had like old photos from that were bikini shots or whatever, maybe, but like anything beyond that, if we're doing stuff with dildos, girl, girl shit, I think it's going to be a little bit harder for us to explain as male improvement coaches why our girlfriends are doing that.
Does that make sense?
That's the reason why.
So, from a business standpoint, the optics, yeah.
Justin, I know you wanted to come in, and then after Justin goes, guys, give me a little space to get through some of the soup chats here, and I'll try to get everyone caught up.
Go ahead, Justin.
I think you nailed it, so I don't really have a whole lot more to say.
Okay, I wouldn't, I wouldn't make it, let it stop me, but I would shut it down.
And yes, I would want her to be inside my frame, not because it was OnlyFans, because it's a family mission, it's a legacy.
You add something quick.
Go ahead.
Something quick.
I just wanted to say that I think that having an OnlyFans is further perpetuating the hedonism that's destroying the country.
I wouldn't want to be a part of that personally.
This is why I use the word philosophy.
Do you have a quick response to her?
She said that OnlyFans is the downfall of the West.
Yeah, basically, she's affirming my point.
I said it's perpetuating the hedonism that's destroying the country, and it's really, really giving people a fucked up.
Is Andrew here?
Andrew just showed up.
He's the mystery guest.
It wasn't very good.
Come on here.
It's really ruining the way that people perceive relationships and shit.
Again, this is why I delineated between preference and philosophy because usually people who believe that also believe that framework.
One question: you said a hundred, and we're going to get to the soup chat, so just guys, let me get through all these.
You wouldn't sell your virginity for $100 million?
Nope.
Yes, the fuck you would.
Bro, I wouldn't.
I would do something.
You sell your pixels.
You sell your pictures.
That's still within my comfort zone.
You don't know the content of an OnlyFans.
I might go with a dude for $100 million.
I can make a lot more on OnlyFans if I do different types of content.
You could cure malaria in Africa for $100 million.
When you normalize sex, you normalize sex.
That's how it is.
Burn it out of this podcast.
You literally just say you don't do that.
You get every dollar fixed in the United States.
I'm saying what I do on OnlyFans.
I'm saying what I do within my OnlyFans is within my comfort level.
I didn't know how much I was going to make on day one.
I had to take that risk.
I could make a dollar.
I can make a million dollars this month, right?
So it's within my comfort zone.
So there's all, I can make, I could 10x my profit if I'm not going to be able to do that.
You know why she wouldn't do that?
Because the guy who would pay $100 million for a fucking for your virginity is not the guy you want to be fucking.
That's pretty weird.
Wait, for sure.
Hey, okay.
Hold on.
Shout out to Riyadh.
Sorry.
Two questions for you guys.
So both of you do OnlyFans.
Just how much you guys make on OnlyFans per month, Avery?
I can't say.
Six figures, five figures.
Can you say what percentage of versions you're in?
That's the same thing.
Give us a range.
Five figures, six figures, 50K a month.
Make up 20k a month?
I don't disclose, but I do.
Do you pay any dollars in the highest tax bracket of like, what, 36% you ever get there?
I pay a lot of taxes.
Wait, yeah, what?
100 mil?
You realize, like, that is set up your grandchildren, grandchildren.
That's what I'm saying.
That is just, you don't have to work another day in your fucking life.
I've never considered that.
Wow, I could retire off 100 million.
That's not what you consider.
Consider the social changes you could make with $100 million.
That's what I'm saying.
Let's say he's a premature ejaculator, too.
Yeah, that's a utility argument.
Like he's a premature ejaculator.
Does that change anything?
Like, so it's quick, you know?
I would argue that that's not even maybe the question to ask.
Question to ask is the amount of money that you two girls are making on OnlyFans, is it worth giving up a family and love?
That's right.
Because any man that is worth his fucking salt that you would even be attracted to wouldn't put up with it.
I can tell you right now.
And you, my dear, are a depreciating asset.
So every day that goes by, you're going to be less and less beautiful.
And at some point, there's going to be a history of you doing that.
As beautiful as you are, you're stunning.
You're a pretty girl.
But no man that is going to be in your league is going to put up with it.
And so the question is, if you were truly in love and you had a true desire for a man that would put his foot down with you and tell you how it was going to be, would you or would you not give up your OnlyFans?
No, I wouldn't.
Same way if I wanted to really expand my dating.
Then you do not genuinely desire that man.
You would not be in love with that man.
Because if you were in love with that man, you would shut it down.
And that day will come for you.
It would probably be worth it.
But then why don't I put on a hijab?
Because then I can find a man who actually reciprocates because Muslim men lower their gaze than other women.
Any man that asks you to do it and you say no to, you're going to look at as a pussy.
You will not respect him and you will not love him.
Any man that you look up to and respect, you would quit doing it for.
And that day might not be today, but it will come.
Good luck.
If he reciprocates, if he quits occasioning the strip club, if he quits watching porn, if he also takes that initiative and I meet the love of my life, sure.
Fair enough.
All right, let me get a little bit of a distance.
Let me quick female delusion.
Meanwhile, there's 10, 20 years of digital.
He's got to be that dude.
He's got to be that dude fully.
He's got to be able to look you in the mouth and tell you, shut that shit down.
He has to show enough to let go.
And that's what I appreciate about what you said earlier.
The first time I agreed with you was a little bit earlier when you were like, yes, if I knew that I could be inside that frame.
And that's what I was saying about women hold on until they know the safe.
I can respect a woman that'll hold on until she knows.
I don't have a problem with the making money thing.
Even the OnlyFans thing doesn't really bother me that bad.
I get it.
It's easy money and it's really good money.
But if he comes along, it'd be hard for me to believe that any woman at this table would not let go of OnlyFans.
Because once he's there.
It does take a certain amount of process.
It takes that man.
Of course.
It does take that man.
And that's why I believe in building men.
You don't build strong men to spite women.
You build strong men for women.
Hey, let me say something.
The two of you are going to meet men.
And initially, you're going to be very happy.
But the problem is there's something, there's a reason why they picked you and not someone else who isn't doing it.
I hate to say this because it sounds very mean, but you're going to ask yourself, why did this guy pick me and not someone who isn't doing OnlyFans?
There is going to be a voice in the back of your head.
It's like, why did this person pick me?
And when they could have had something with less drama and less exposure.
And that voice is going to be in your head.
And then you're going to see what that thing is.
That you're going to see what that chink in the armor is.
Maybe he's a simp, or maybe he does not know how to define boundaries.
Or maybe he keeps getting out of relationships because he's outrageously insecure or whatever.
The problem is, it's not that you won't find a man.
Both of you will definitely find men.
It's just the problem is when you do, you're not going to be wholeheartedly willing to change my religion and crawl over broken glass like the way Rolo describes with his wife.
Genuine desire.
Genuine desire.
You aren't going to have that genuine desire.
And 78% of divorces in the United States are initiated by women.
Do you understand?
I got to jump in just because we do have to get some chats here.
Okay, so we have Derek Man X here.
Oh, I think this one already came in.
Glasses stopped talking like you know, men, real men don't care how you feel or how you think.
It's not real.
We want what we want.
Boom.
Okay, Derek Man X.
I think that's Travis.
Thank you, Travis.
Hold on.
I have to wait until that one disappears.
We have Spencer Park, who donated $100.
Thank you so much, man.
I'm going to start preemptively reading this after that one comes through.
Mia look alike, should go to law school and would be a 1% lawyer, but the world isn't logical.
Men and women are held to different standards.
What makes a woman valuable is different from men.
I can see how men would be intimidated by the way you talk.
Your ways.
They're saying I'm a very masculine woman.
Do you have a response to me?
I don't think you're masculine.
I think maybe headstrong is talking about it.
Do you have a response to Spencer Park?
No, I mean, we've already, we've been building off the premise that men and women are different.
I don't think we're arguing that they're the same.
I was saying, where are those differences relevant in terms of body count when, again, we've proven that double virginity bodes the best marriages?
That was my point.
That's such an outlier statistic, though, right?
It's an outlier statistic because there's so few double virgin marriages.
And also, the double virgin marriages tend to be like Amish people.
It tends to be people in like extremely austere relationships.
Does that make sense?
Most men and women do not get together in the United States as virgins.
When it happens, there tends to be other cultural reasons.
So it's really hard to say, is this a, this is an outlier.
It's not a trend.
It's not a trend.
What the trend, what you can see is a trend, if you look over thousands and thousands of people, is men tend to not be super affected by their body count as far as their ability to stay in a marriage, and women tend to be more affected by it.
For men, it tends to be their options.
Like, for instance, if you happen to live next door to the Playboy Mansion, you're more likely to stray.
For women, it's previous body, it's previous partners that cause them to be more likely to cheat.
And that's what men are afraid of.
On top of the fact that they have this innate evolutionary necessity to be with a woman who has a low body count.
So there's a cognitive reason, and then also a subconscious reason.
And both of them are backed by science.
That's the problem.
Is it a double standard?
Fuck yes, it's a double standard.
Nobody's arguing that it isn't.
But your question, though, is it moral?
I mean, that's not something, I mean, it's not moral that I can bench press with.
Is it fair?
No.
Is it fair?
No, it's not.
That's just the way it is.
The other thing is, and I'm not, again, this is going to sound like I'm making an excuse.
The average man, like I said before, has 17 times as much testosterone going through than a woman does.
Imagine the horniest you've ever been in your entire life.
Multiply that by 17, and that's Tuesday for us.
And that's the reason, again, I'm not trying to make it an excuse, but now you see this irrational level of horniness, and then you realize that testosterone not only regulates your libido, but your assertiveness, your aggressiveness, your necessity to solve problems, also your necessity to save your fellow man, right?
Your bravado.
Slit throats and then slit throats and whole babies.
All those things come from the same hormone that causes us to be outrageously horny compared to women.
Compared to women.
I just gotta keep going.
Eric, do you think for the 100, would any of the girls date a 54-year-old who throws charity events, join MOA?
I don't throw charity events.
I know what you're coming up.
Show of hands.
Who would date a 54-year-old man?
Okay, all right.
Got one.
Yes.
Sweet.
I'm just more personality, bro.
Totally.
Rolo, you're talking 54, right?
55.
This is stunning, man, right here.
Don't you like, we can talk about it.
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Avery, go for it.
Women also need to understand that the sexual organ of a woman does change with use.
It doesn't feel as good, and you never know who's.
Sorry, I didn't mean to press that.
Actually, you never know whose child it is.
A man's unit doesn't change, and unless a woman sleeps with multiple dudes, men know it is our child.
American Virus is Freedom Think for the Hundred.
I don't know if that's true.
What he means is not by the sexual organ getting bigger.
He means by sexual origin literally changes when a zygote is formed inside of a cervix, inside of the uterus.
Sorry, that's what he means by it changes.
Just say roasties, dude.
Just say roasties.
Yeah, that's all you want to say.
Yeah, this argument that women become looser when they have more sex, there's actually nothing.
But he said it doesn't feel as good, isn't that?
I thought he was referring to that than loose pussy.
Yeah, I thought he sexual orange shape.
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe that's also, it's harder for a woman to have an orgasm if she's had multiple partners.
I've seen some studies on that.
I'm not exactly sure.
All right, we have Bebby Demon69.
Thank you for the 100, man.
Appreciate it.
What male traits based on Darwin's natural selection could be most desirable to women in choosing a mate?
Is this who's this for?
Is this the panel?
I mean, Darwin's.
What male traits based on Darwin's natural selection?
Height.
Could be hilarious.
These are going to be things that show conventionality and things that show basically women during different periods of time would choose the man who looked like he was most likely most capable of committing massive amounts of violence on her behalf to protect her and her children.
When you look at it from that standpoint, then it makes sense why she fucks Brock the bartender, who's six foot three, or the fucking quarterback of the football team.
That's the reason why.
It's not like these things didn't just happen.
Like I said before, my number one frustration is that we have these generic conversations when Dr. David Buss has written five books on this stuff.
When Gad Sat has written books on this stuff, when Stephen Stewart Williams, Cindy Meston, Lita Cosmedes, who's by the way, PhD right here at UC Santa Barbara, one of the leading evolutionary psychologists on the planet, and we still listen to fucking Dr. Phil and we read books like the five love languages and the secret.
The answers are there.
Read the fucking answers.
The real reason why me and Rollo work together is because he's the only man on the planet that I know who reads as much on evolutionary psychology as I do.
The answers are there.
They've been there since the 1970s.
And for some reason, we choose to not read them.
And we still believe things like beauty is subjective.
It is not subjective.
These things have been answered.
They've been answered since 1975.
Matthew Self, thank for the 100.
Avery, go ahead.
Woman in the glasses is a smart woman.
I appreciate her fighting back on topics.
I just feel like she's just arguing to argue to prove her intelligence.
She doesn't even take it in the opposite side of the argument.
She just wants to argue to argue.
Your quick response.
That's not true.
I stand for everything I argue.
Maybe I'm not doing a good enough job explaining it.
You're actually arguing with them right now.
Are those prescription glasses?
Yeah, these are prescription.
There's no lenses in them.
Do you want to pop them off?
I mean, you don't need them, right?
It's all right.
She could do it.
She's going to be like the dust air over that request.
Speedy the unsilent.
Thank you for the hundred.
Avery, go ahead.
As a high-value man who is also tall with a low body count, I would only marry a woman with a low body count.
Word?
Thank you, man.
Speedy.
Thank you for your preference.
Yes, thank you for the super chat, man.
I really appreciate it.
We have Ivan Jr.
Think for the 100, man.
Sorry, Brian.
There's a question to the panel.
Have women lost trust to depend on men to the point they sell themselves on social media?
Most relationships both have to work.
There are men who can support a woman.
Judging us and expectations are killing dating pool and marriage.
Word?
Thank you, Ivan.
Appreciate it.
Is there a question here?
Have women lost trust to depend on man to the point they sell themselves on social media?
Is this rhetorical question?
Hello?
It's not because of that.
It's just an opportunity.
It's just opportunism, is what it is.
Pretty much every girl that I talk to on, well, not every panel, but pretty much every girl I have encountered, when it comes to wanting to get with a guy, they don't want to give up their OnlyFans.
They don't want to stop advertising.
And the reason they do is because they've been taught over the course of two generations to not to be distrustful of men, to say that they're never going to be able to be the ones who are going to be able to take care of me.
When he comes up here and he says, I'm going to be the one who's going to take care of you.
I'm going to take you to the restaurant.
I'm going to pay for it.
I am going to basically take care of your long-term security.
To hear that is shocking today, right?
Because women have this preconception that men are either borderline abusers or they are incompetent like buffoons like Homer Simpson or Dr. Huxtable or whatever, you know, sitcom dad that we want to throw out there, or they're incompetent.
They don't know how to drive a stick shift.
They don't know how to change a tire.
They don't know how to tie a tie.
And so if those are your three options and that's what you think of as a masculine model or an ideal or that's your archetype in your head, of course you're going to want to go to college, go get your career, get your money on point, become the man that you wanted to marry because you can't trust no man to do what he just said, which is I'm going to take care of business for you.
And yes, I would absolutely agree with that assessment because women are fearful that they'll never find a guy.
And when we talk about like submission or which I think is the wrong world, I think we need to talk about deference to men's authority.
But I think that it's more about the fact that women need long-term security longer than they have the ability to consolidate on that.
So if you've got 18 to 28 years old where you're in your peak sexual market value years, that's 10 years in a lifespan that might be, what, 90 years old?
So, and you're going to need long-term security far longer in your life than you are going to need it.
And that's why we sell women on this be independent.
I'm a strong, independent woman from what?
Independent of men.
That's where that comes from, from 1970s feminism is where that's from.
Yeah, if your argument is that men have fallen short because men are not acting in a masculine chivalrous way, we agree with you.
We do not disagree with that at all.
Men have certainly fallen short.
That's the reason why the three of us are coaches.
That's we agree with you completely.
And in that happening, it's even worse in that general society is telling them to clearly do the opposite of what Justin Waller is saying.
Like, literally, not only are we not being coached to be masculine, we're being coached to not be masculine.
And thirdly, we're being taught that it's borderline illegal for us to act in a masculine way.
There is, you know, Andrew Tate said it the best.
There's just masculinity.
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity.
Toxic people are toxic.
Toxic people can be feminine or masculine.
Toxicity is toxic.
Masculinity, again, when you want someone to save you from a burning building, you want a fucking ton of masculinity.
It's not toxic then.
So that's the issue.
It's like, if you think things are bad, you're correct.
They are bad.
If you think men have fallen short, correct, they have fallen short.
If you think 99% of men are simps, which is kind of the ones on OnlyFans who are subscribed to you guys, you're correct.
We agree with you on that.
Men need to step up as well.
And that's created the society.
That's why these shows are becoming, these panel shows like this are becoming so outrageously fucking popular because we're all seeing this happen at the same time.
By the way, I want to say one other thing.
I don't think the hedonism is the decay of Western society.
I think it's a denial of science.
I think that's actually the decay of Western society.
Sorry to go off on that topic.
All right, one thing.
So you brought up ho phases.
Sort of.
Kind of.
I did.
Relative.
Go ahead.
Relative.
So we'll go around the table on this.
Who here has at any point in time had a ho phase?
Yeah, I have.
Had a ho phase?
Are you?
I've had a hoe.
I'm not presently in it.
I'm not presently in it.
I assume not, given your assertion that she's on OnlyFans, of course she's monetizing.
She kissed like two dudes on a day.
She didn't have a ho phase.
Jofez, have you.
Current hofaz?
Of course.
to like lead me into something like that it wasn't because i chose it was because what do you mean you didn't choose I mean, I did choose, but it was also a factor in of what happened before it.
It was actually rage and anger and revenge that fueled me to push me to be this ho phase because I felt like I was getting back at the guy at that time during my first ho phase.
Wait, so then that's typically why a lot of people.
You're 18.
How many ho phases do you think you're going to have?
Very many, I'm just baker's dozen.
It just happens to a lot of people where they invest so much into a relationship that either the guy leaves or the girl leaves, and then one side will be left broken.
And obviously, that side that's broken is filled with rage to do better.
And, or there's also another scenario.
If it was a female, you know, there's only two sides that you could choose.
Either sleep with this homie to get revenge, or you can work on yourself, sit down, and really think, like, is this, is it really possible for me to just, you know, get back at him or just feel like I just don't know.
That sounds like the Joker story arc.
Okay.
Hold on.
I want everyone to have a chance to answer this question.
Go ahead.
Have I been like.
Have you had a ho phase?
No ho phases?
No.
Zero ho phases?
Zero ho phases?
Partial ho phase?
No.
Hold on.
SoCal Surfer $805 donated $200.
RIPs in the chat.
Love it.
Also, question for the guys.
Would you sell your booty whole on camera to Gore like the Destroyer for $100 million?
Also, need lie detectors for all guests.
So many people full of shit.
Also, bro, UCSB Alum.
Let's go.
Let's go.
SoCal Surfer 805.
Thank you for the big $200 soup donation.
No.
Appreciate it.
Not 100 mil?
100 mil?
I'm good, bro.
Thanks.
That's a tough one.
I'm living the life.
What do you think, Brian?
I have more respect for myself than that.
No STDs, right?
Is the scenario like you're not going to be able to do that?
Yeah, I guess I'd be no STDs.
No STDs?
100 mil?
Bro, I'm going to have to work another day in my fucking sales.
It's not that, bro.
I'd be like, you could get legislation passed for 100 million.
Like, you would change the world with 100 million.
So you gave for pay as well.
Hell no, man.
That's disgusting.
$20 is $20.
That's gross.
I would never do that.
That's gross.
You could change the world, though.
You could change the world, though.
You could change the world.
You could change the world.
So, okay, no ho phase.
What about you?
Has there been a ho phase?
Not really, I guess, a partial.
Partial ho phase?
What's a partial ho phase?
I just consider that talking to like a bunch of guys after.
When you say a bunch of guys, how many are we talking?
Oh, not a lot, like four.
Four?
Four?
Okay.
I don't know.
But like, not like talking.
I don't know.
Like sex?
No, That's why I'm saying.
It's just like dating them.
Yeah, like going out and just, I don't know.
It wasn't really a ho phase.
I just got out of a breakup and was just dating.
So let me clarify it.
So a ho phase is what?
Are we sleeping with them?
I'll tell you.
A letter finish.
I'll clarify.
Go ahead.
First off, I just want to.
Push it to Mike.
I think people should take more accountability.
But me personally, I have not had a whole phase unless you count Discord where I e-dated two guys at once, which is honestly a fucking joke.
Double shifting.
Haram!
Aspen.
No, my long relationship that I was in, I was committed to him.
And so I think that maybe if I wouldn't have had that, my story would be a little bit different.
But no, I have not.
Kylie?
No, I've never had a ho phase.
You're not in it right now.
Kind of related to the ho phase.
Let me just to clarify your question.
I hate that we call it the ho phase.
Again, it was my second book in the timeline I put in here.
I called the party years is what I called it.
And it's not because every girl turns into a raging slut during those 18 to 28 years old, but that is when you are at the peak of your sexual marketability.
So for you to consolidate on a guy who's going to be a good long-term prospect for you, usually that happens right around 22, 23, 24 years old when you're at the peak of your sexual market value and a peak agency for women.
So that's why the epiphany phase, I pegged that right around 29, 30, 31 years old.
It's not that women are going out and having, actually becoming actual hoes.
It's just that that is the span in a woman's life when she has the most potential to find the guy.
So it might be one or two guys, but you're doing more dating during that period of your life than you will be for the rest of your life because of the marketability on the sexual marketplace, not personal worth, but later on in life.
So you've got a span of 10 years where you're advertising yourself, where you're out there, where you're going to the clubs, you're having a good time.
You're being just regular college girls, right?
So whether or not you're a raging slut or you're not is kind of immaterial.
That's why I hate calling it the hoe phase.
I rather call it the party years because that's when women are most active.
Then let me clarify then.
No, I did not go through a hoe phase.
I did go through a party phase.
It's because you're 18, you're just coming into it.
Of course.
But I do have like a certain of where I like I what I want.
I already have an idea of what I want.
And if that person fits that idea of what I want, then I can go forward and process that relationship.
That's why I say there's a process before, you know, marriage.
You're in a better position at 18 to 28.
And that's why I do agree with you.
Then everyone does go through a little party phase.
Party phase.
Is there musical chairs over here?
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Here, while she does that, we have a chat here.
We have Stagner with the 100.
Thank you, man.
I really appreciate it.
Why, when a woman doesn't have a man, she often has to take on a masculine role.
But when a man doesn't have a woman, he doesn't necessarily have to take on a feminine role.
Does this prove that masculinity is more essential to survival than femininity?
I don't know how to answer that one.
Maybe I'm looking to Rolo on this one.
Oh, do you want to come in?
Go ahead.
Mike can go too.
I was just going to say that that's exactly why the nuclear home, the importance of gender roles is so important because women have to take on this masculine role because there needs to be a masculine role.
But they shouldn't.
They need to take on a feminine role because that's why most of the time single mother homes don't work out.
You have sons that are criminals.
You have high divorce rates with women that tend to be more, like the breadwinners, more headstrong.
So I think a lot of that question specifically is stressing the importance that they are separate and that they're divided super like strictly, I guess you could say.
Mike, do you have a quick thing on this?
Yeah, so we talk about proximate and ultimate cause when you ever hear a woman say, I don't need no man.
Yes, me and Rolo and Justin need men too.
We need men to build roads.
We need men to put up electrical wires.
We need men to build an infrastructure.
We need men to run an economy so that we can buy and sell goods.
We need men for all kinds of these things.
Approximate cause, no, you're a woman who makes $300,000 a year and you have a Mossberg by the door.
You don't necessarily, quote unquote, need a man.
Ultimately, we all do because masculine traits aren't necessary for survival.
They literally are survival.
That's what masculine traits are.
They are there for the survival of the tribe.
Feminine traits are the survival of the child.
And when she has a child, the child is going to become, is going to come before the husband.
The, what's it called, the unconditional love that women have is reserved for a child.
And by the way, thank you for that.
Women should be like that.
It's a feature, not a bug.
It's a feature, not a bug.
And we as men, those of us who understand this concept of evolutionary psychology, we're grateful for the fact that our wife would throw us in front of the train in order to save the child.
That's the point.
That's how our genetics get passed on.
But survival in general, the question was, is masculinity more important for survival?
Absolutely.
That is the definition.
That is where masculinity comes from.
Those men who stormed Normandy back in World War II did so for the survival of their tribe, putting their own survival to the side for the love of their country and specifically the love of their family.
That is what masculine survival.
That's what masculine traits are.
It is for the survival of the tribe.
Whereas feminine traits, they're also, they also aid in survival.
Everything we do aids in survival, but it's more the survival of the offspring specifically.
We have a donation request here from someone who wants the girls on the panel to rate him on the scale of one to ten.
Eric, I believe I pulled up a guy's Instagram profile.
Not Zach's, it's just like, yeah, Josh, Josh, yeah.
All right, so we're going to review Josh's Instagram profile, and you girls are going to give him a little rating.
Okay.
Let's see.
Scroll down.
Smash.
Okay.
So keep scrolling.
Let's check out all his photos.
Scroll down.
Okay, there's a lot of not photos of him.
He gets a point from the cat.
Scroll up.
All right, he's got a cat.
Oh, there they're.
That's him with a female friend, maybe.
He likes art.
All right, scroll down.
We'll scroll down even more.
Let's see what else.
I don't hate his composition, but he's doing this wrong.
Let's see.
His photo composition is actually good.
His color correction is.
Yeah, I mean, dude, listen, join MOAMentoring.com, bro.
All we do is fix Instagram.
That's him with a parrot or something or some sort of avian animal.
Wait, there's a shot of him in the kayak.
There you go.
He's got a little chest tattoo.
Okay, scroll down a little more.
Maybe that's him and his mom.
Okay, that's him with...
I don't know who that is.
Okay.
All right.
You get an idea.
Ladies, just your rating of him on the scale of one to ten.
Scroll all the way back up to the top really quick.
Scroll down a little bit.
What is the pink tree right there?
The pink tree?
What?
Bro, just rate him.
Just rate him.
I don't know.
I can't.
I didn't see him.
Because it was a screen.
I don't know how you rate a guy's Instagram because you're not.
You don't really see it.
Like maybe his physical appearance.
His appearance.
His appearance.
Where was he at?
Was he the cat or the tree?
Maybe he was the buffalo in one of the buffalo pictures.
He's in a couple of the pictures.
Okay, go ahead, Avery.
I think he's cute, honestly.
I would say 7.5.
I don't even remember what he looks like.
Can you pull it back up?
Jesus, there you go.
There you go.
Which one is he?
Is he a weighted?
Did you see it?
Okay, or is he LDS right now?
He's the guy with the blonde.
I don't know.
All right.
He's a drone enthusiast.
If you had a sign up.
10.
Oh, my God.
Go ahead.
6.5.
Like a 3.
3.
Okay.
A 4.
The very fact that women can't even remember your face after that quick, that's your answer.
That is your answer right there.
That's your rating.
Forgettable.
Go ahead.
Damn.
Well, he seems like a bit of an NPC.
I got that kind of fluoride stare to him, but I'd say. Floride stare.
I'm stealing that.
I see and fluoride in the same sentence, bro.
Bro, they're black helicopters circling us right now.
Are you kidding me?
I'm not a glowy, I promise.
I would probably give him a seven.
Seven.
Really?
Maybe six points.
We're going by looks, right?
A three.
He looks like really short and like he can probably barely pick up like a 20-pound dumbbell.
So I'm not going to have to do it.
All right.
Now tell us he is the highest earning banker in still doesn't make him more attractive.
Isn't that like the shtick?
It's like, here's a punchline.
R.I.P.'s in the chat for her.
What's his name, Joshua?
Joshua.
Joshua.
R.I.P.'s in the chat for Joshua.
I thought he was the buffalo or Yellowstone.
Did you have something quick?
You were raising your hand.
Is it related to this?
It was part of the sceneries and everything that he was like, like all the places that he went to, he probably has enough money to go to that.
He's invisible.
He's invisible.
Joshua, Joshua, hit me up.
Hit me up.
I'll send you to the free school server.
We'll fix your Instagram.
Fix that Instagram budget.
Joshua, literally hit me up on IG, bro.
We'll fix your Instagram.
That's all we do.
I'll give you 30 examples of perfect Instagram.
Check out.
Actually, you know what?
Let's look at Justin's Instagram.
Does that count?
Let's look at Justin.
Let's pull up Justin's.
Justin's serum's count.
You know, like a little comparison.
Eric?
What's your Instagram?
Justin Wynn Waller7.
Justin Wynn Waller7.
It's just my name.
Also, Jay Waller on YouTube.
Do you have a Twitch?
I don't.
It's in the works.
It's coming.
Pull it up.
All right.
209,000 followers.
Oh, who's, oh, look at.
He's with Andrew Tate.
Okay.
Is that some KFC on the private chat?
Yeah, it is.
Imagine that.
Okay, nice.
All right.
Oh, my.
All right.
Fit.
Great Britain.
On the Siski Jet Ski.
Look at that.
Who's that guy?
That's Robert Kiyosaki.
Okay.
I feel like if you went to Japan or any Asian country, they'd be all over you.
I think they're all going to be.
Try any country.
There's a lot of guys on that show.
All right.
Okay.
That's Justin.
Oh, there's Tristan Tate.
And then there's the sartorial shooter, Andrew.
Who's the one on the, is that Sterling that's kind of, yeah, okay.
He's kind of cut off in the preview or whatever.
Is that in Dubai?
Yeah, this is in Dubai.
Are you, you're in Florida now, but do you have any plans to move to Dubai or are you like?
We're having a household right now.
You and Sterling?
No, no, it's just mine.
Sterling doesn't live with me.
He lives in Spain, so I bought a big house in Dubai.
They're developing it now.
Weren't you and Sterling like housemates at some point?
Yeah, not anymore, though.
Technically.
He's in Spain now.
Oh, he's in.
Why did he move to Spain?
It's a better place, man.
More place.
It's incredible.
I just love this incredible.
Spain's.
I heard Spain, like when it comes to laws and shit and feminism, I heard Spain's like a big L.
I was just there for a week, man.
Go to Madrid.
You go for me.
I swear.
Spain's with How to Beast is there.
Yeah, I just did How to Beast.
That's my buddy.
Yeah, I just did How to Beast, but I am building an 11,000 square foot house in Dubai.
Oh, bad boy.
I'm excited.
Tate tricked me into doing it, and so now we're neighbors.
It's a joke.
Are you going to revoke your American citizenship?
No, man.
I'm very patriotic.
Okay.
America's a motherfucking goat.
Anybody that's got a problem with that can suck my dick.
Suck it.
Thanks.
Scoreboard.
You know, anybody that doesn't like America can look at the scoreboard.
Do I like things that America does?
No.
Do I feel like America's a bit of a bully?
Yes.
Is it the best country to ever exist?
Yes, it is.
And it's up to Americans to come together and stop letting this country rot from within.
Anybody that doesn't want to be in American, get the fuck out.
Amen.
Let's go.
All right.
Jesus Christ.
Everybody's dropping their shit every day.
Let's put that anywhere.
God damn.
Okay.
Bugger fingers over here.
Okay, so we have two girls on the panel who are virgins, allegedly.
Oh, that's me.
Yep.
So I just want a point of clarification.
You're not waiting for marriage.
Is that correct?
I don't have an end date in mine.
It could be.
You said you just want to be in love, if I recall.
Like, you want to meet a worthy guy, but you don't need to be married.
Is that correct?
Yeah, it could possibly be marriage, though.
You're on the fence about it.
It depends what the relationship would look like, I guess.
Well, how would it need to look like for you to not want to wait until marriage?
I guess we could still be in love, but he could still be looking for something.
You know what I mean?
Not till not super long term, right?
So even if I'm in love with them, I would still need to be like a sustainable thing.
Like you could be in love with someone without the stable relationship, like if he has attachment issues or something.
So marriage kind of resolves those concerns.
Because they've committed to you.
So you do want to get married before having sex?
I'd like commitment, and that could take the form of marriage or just me trusting them a lot.
Are you religious at all or no?
No.
Okay.
But you're worried about getting put in a hijab?
I was under the impression you were Muslim.
My parents are Muslim, yeah.
Okay.
And you're a virgin.
Are you waiting until marriage?
Is there a religious component to this?
There's religious components.
I grew up in a religious company.
Oh, okay.
There's religious components.
I grew up in a very uptight Christian household, and I didn't really have a problem with it.
Because, you know, my parents were setting foundations for me, moral foundations for me to follow after.
Honestly, if I'm being real, maybe it's just the fact that I'm in California, because most of the guys in California are just, I don't know.
Just what?
Just, I don't want to say, I don't want to.
I don't really like liberal men.
I just don't.
Okay.
I just don't.
Maybe that plays a fact into it.
But I just want to do it with someone that I love, you know?
Someone that I could feel love for, someone who loves me, someone who I want to spend the rest of my life with, maybe.
But I don't want to just throw away my virginity, you know, to some guy who doesn't give a fuck about me.
But so not waiting until marriage necessarily.
I wouldn't say that.
I'd say a part of me, the part of me that grew up in a really, really tightly Christian household, wants to wait till marriage.
But I'm not sure if those are ideas that are my own or that are just religious guilt, I guess.
I think that you will drastically protect your future relationship if you wait for marriage.
Can he be a member of House Ravenclaw?
Is that okay?
I'm a Slytherin.
This is Patrick Bateman.
This is Patrick Bateman.
I'm sorry, I crossed universes.
Daily Wire will clip that out of this whole show right there.
Yeah, it's a Patrick Bateman cosplay.
I mean, I brought the raincoat, but I couldn't wear it.
Yeah, good times.
Okay, so sort of waiting until marriage, but not?
You know what?
I don't know.
I just wouldn't throw it away so easily.
You know, I'd have to really, really, really know a guy before I ever considered letting him, you know, letting him what?
Well, I don't really want to say it.
Put the pee in the face.
You're letting him.
You just control shit, like you were saying before.
Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I get kind of shy when it comes to this topic, you know?
Oh, now you're shy by the way.
Okay, well, yeah, yeah, well, no, like, but, okay, I think.
You don't want to fuck fat bitches, but I don't want to fuck fat bitches.
I don't think anyone wants to fuck fat bitches.
You don't want to fuck fat bitches?
I wouldn't fuck a fat bitch, no.
What about when you say bitch, is that like a woman, or like it could also be a fat dude?
Like you're a little bit more.
You know what?
I don't know.
I mean, I've seen some cute, chubby boys, but just fat bitches are loud.
That's what I don't like about them.
They're loud.
Quiet fat bitch.
Like, if there's a quiet, shy little fat bitch, you know.
Yeah, okay.
I don't really want to get into the schematics of fat bitches, okay?
Have you ever dated a guy?
Have you?
I'm trying to get away from it.
I've only dated guys.
No, but I'm just, I forgot what you said back when I originally asked.
Have you had a relationship?
Yeah, I've had relationships.
What was your longest relationship again?
Two years.
Two years.
Okay.
And I mean, you said you're, what, 19?
I'm 20.
Oh, you're 20?
Okay.
Was that like a high school relationship or something?
A high school relationship.
Okay, yeah.
I mean, that's kind of.
Yeah, I mean, I've had relationships after that, sure, but I don't know.
Okay.
All right.
We're going to get a couple soup chats here, and then we, let's see.
Actually, let me just do the soup chats now.
Eric, can you?
I forgot where we were.
Oh, wait, did we do?
Mm-hmm.
We did that one.
Did we do this one?
Yeah, that one's already done.
Shout out to all of my robots.
BB Demon69, thank you for the 100.
Avery, can you read this?
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Yo, Demon69, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
Really appreciate it, man.
All right, we have And opt for a non-OnlyFans partner.
Okay.
Venom RX.
Thank you for the 100.
Avery, go for it.
Actually, no, you shouldn't get this one.
There's two girls with glasses here.
You just sharing it.
That's true.
Girl with glasses is trying too hard.
Girls like that don't need egos raised in more power.
Not that smart, by the way.
I blame men.
Following, liking, paying only fans of random women created this mess.
Imagine if guys didn't do that.
The dating market wouldn't be that fucked up.
Am I supposed to be triggered?
I don't know.
You're not supposed to be triggered.
If you are.
She's just thinking about the $400,000 she made this year and how triggered she is.
She's trying her shows with all her money.
What's that mean?
He's right, though.
He is right.
He's like wiping his face with money.
All right, we have Apostle Victor with the 105 donation.
Thank you, man.
Have my money, you guilty pleasure of mine, Brian.
I also have a Slytherin t-shirt right now on me.
So that's a nice coincidence.
Much love.
Hey, Victor.
Virginity lost.
Let's do it.
Thank you, Victor.
Appreciate it, man.
Really appreciate all the support tonight, guys.
You guys are blowing me away.
Thank you guys so much.
So, okay.
Really quick, just show of hands.
Should body count matter?
Definitely.
Yeah.
Avery?
Wait, for a guy or for a girl?
Which gender?
For women.
Let's say this should matter for women.
Yeah, I agree that it should matter.
100%.
Four women or two women?
I'm saying, okay, wait, what do we mean?
Like, should women care about a man's body count?
Is that what you're asking?
That's that question on that.
No, other way around.
Or should a man care about a woman's body count?
Perhaps I can rephrase the question.
Do you object to men caring about women's body count?
Yes.
Wait, sorry, I say one more time.
Do you object to men, generally speaking?
Or do you object to men caring about women's body count?
Oh, I feel like I've already pontificated about it.
Pontificate more, please.
Again, like I said, if it makes sense, if it's the zero to zero ratio for pair bonding.
Oh, so you do take an issue with a double standard.
Are we going to keep circling back?
Well, I think we should let other people talk.
Okay, go ahead.
Yeah, he should.
If he's going to provide for me, and if he's, you know, further than I, he promises me a certain amount of stuff and this and that.
Yes, he should.
It should matter how much my body count is.
It should matter to him.
Of course.
I feel like it should.
I feel like it should.
So just to clarify the question, is do you object to men caring about women's body count?
No, I don't object.
No.
No.
Nope.
I mean, if a guy thinks a woman is a whore, she's a whore.
That's his.
That's probably too far.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what?
The three of us are going to stand up for women's rights here.
I think you're being a little bit too draconian and misogynistic towards women, and I'd really like you to stop using that language.
Naughty.
If a guy thinks a woman is a whore, he thinks he's a whore.
And from that, that's right.
That is whether or not she is.
And by the way, this is, I'm not agreeing with this, but this is the argument.
I know a lot of big models who finally broke down and got an OnlyFans.
And the reason why they said they got an OnlyFans is like, they said, they're going to call me a whore anyway.
They already think I'm a whore.
They already think I sleep my way through whatever.
And so in part, it's men's judgmental nature that causes women to behave like this.
I don't think it's an excuse.
I think you could still not have a fancy.
I was wrong.
That's going to be the clip that the wire picks up.
That's right.
Yeah, but just so just so we're clear, a lot of women will say that.
They'll be like, well, I'm going to be called this name anyway.
But the difference is, internally, are you that way?
And I think internally, you know whether or not you guys said before you've had a ho phase when you had your ho phase, did you feel good after it?
No.
Okay, so that's, I guess maybe that's what my point is.
Internally, you know what you did, regardless of what other people think.
More?
Really quick, kind of related to this.
So most of you said, actually, body count does matter.
We often hear on the show that body count shouldn't matter.
What's your body count?
I'm going to be shamed for this.
So I'm just going to pre-defend myself and say that I was, this was when I was between the ages of 18 to 22.
I don't do this anymore, but I really thought that if I slept with you.
You were young and impressionable.
I thought that they would love me if I gave them the pee.
So it didn't work out that way.
Anyways, so it's 45.
Zero?
I lose.
I think look back on that and now make the change.
Like, don't let that be you anymore.
And that's what I have done, but then I guess that's why I said, like, I don't think body count should matter because it sucks that I would be judged for that when I am a very loyal person, you know?
And I don't want to sleep around because it felt awful.
Body count?
Safety?
Huh?
What's your notch count?
What's your body count?
I'm not going to say it.
I'm not going to say it.
Oh.
I'm not going to say it.
That's fine.
Because one of the things is that, sure, a number is based, but if a girl is so easy to say her body count, then it's either doubled or probably a little bit less.
But that's just me.
That's those red pill guys, again, just doubling up everything, right?
Right.
I'd rather not answer.
All right.
My mom's watching, but my mom is below five.
Below five.
Okay, below five.
Allegedly zero.
It's zero.
It's allegedly.
Allegedly.
Oh, man.
Your mom is watching.
My mom, my dad, and like half my church is watching.
Half the church.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
They forgive you.
And also, you know, I've already shared a lot about my past, and I agree with what that other girl said when she was on.
Like, out of respect for my future husband, I feel like that's something that should be kept private.
Fair enough.
Okay.
Do you think that girls with tattoos are more promiscuous than girls with no tattoos?
I mean, I don't know.
I have a tattoo.
I'm not that promiscuous.
You have a tattoo?
I think so.
Well, according to the red pill, I'm a slut, so you're a slut.
Is that a fraternity tattoo?
Can I see it against my family?
Oh, okay.
Sorry, I didn't get a good look at it.
I don't know.
I just took a fraternity.
Do I look like a guy that's in the Rockstar 20s?
Justin Waller, how face?
What?
What's your notch count, dude?
I truly don't know.
He forgot.
He's a man of God.
He forgot after.
I pray every night.
Well, that's actually a good question, Rolo, when it comes to tattoos.
You have a tattoo?
I don't have any tattoos.
You're not a slut.
Yeah.
Fortunate.
You don't have any?
Zero tattoos.
I'm a sex tramp stamped though.
I have none.
You see that?
It's all coming right there.
Tattoos on women are linked to abuse.
This is a red flag.
I disagree.
I call bullshit on that, too.
Like, I don't super judge a girl with tattoos.
I think it depends on where they are and what's.
I'm really curious on how you think on that.
Before I answer.
I love chicks with tats.
I don't really care that much.
I think that people have really bad tattoos.
And those ones are not.
Yes, don't get Bart Simpson on the side of your thigh.
That's what I'm saying.
Do you have Barthes?
No.
Okay.
But yeah, I don't.
Go to Walmart and look at girls who have big fat girls with shorts on it and they'll have random tattoos all over their legs.
I saw this one with a boat on her thigh and you know how they get older and it's saggy and looks like a sinking boat.
So you agree that women can hit the wall?
Oh wow.
Okay.
I mean everybody.
No man we need to stand up for women right now.
Whether you're a guy or whether you're a girl always get a wall.
Should we be the feminists?
Seriously.
Seriously.
No, let's not repeal the 19th.
Stop it.
Stop it.
Going too far.
Okay, we, hold on.
We have one more thing here.
We have two more things we have to react to.
We have to ask the girls if they have any other questions for us because we only got to her.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we didn't.
Well, so one of the, I guess, and I would like to try to wrap up here soon.
one of the questions asked is if there's anything dating related you want to get off your chest or if you have a final thought I'd like to open it up to anybody who wants to kind of get in here at the end opening it up to actually I do have a question for them When do you think is the right time to have sex?
Like, how many dates in order for Amanda still respect you?
Go ahead.
You guys go ahead.
Three.
Okay.
Three.
At least three.
Three strikes.
It's the three-strike rule, more or less.
Put it this way.
Within three dates, you should know if that woman has genuine desire enough to want to have sex with you.
Put it that way.
And it's not that that's like a deadline or a criteria.
I'm just saying that within.
Actually, I think I've got it in my first book, as a matter of fact, that it's basically the same three-strike rule that everybody's been using for forever, but it's meant to determine genuine desire.
Not necessarily like, I would like to get with if there's like religious convictions between the man and the woman, and that's already pre-established, it should still be within three dates to know that, like, you know what, I would probably want to have sex with you really, really bad if it were not for our convictions between the two of us.
People don't want to read that part of my, you know, that paragraph in my book, but because they think that when I talk about like, what is it, Iron Rule Tomasi number three, which is, you know, anytime a woman makes you wait for sex, the sex is never worth the wait.
People think that that means I'm trying to encourage guys to go and have like wanton sex with like loose women.
That's not what it is.
It's to determine genuine desire.
So within three dates, you should be able to determine whether or not she's going to flake on you or she's really into you or she has some other mitigating.
She's got another guy that she's hoping was going to pan out and she's putting you on ice because if it doesn't work out with him, then you're going to, she'll go up with you, right?
You're like this consolidation or consolation process.
I think she's asking about from her standpoint, how many dates should she have?
Oh, should you personally?
I would say the same thing.
Three.
Yeah, I mean, the thing is just going to be more, like, just to be more discerning, right?
I empathize with your situation because I, like I said, I coach dudes and I see how fucked up they are.
And I, like, this is what you guys got to choose from.
God damn, that sucks, man.
I get that.
Trust me, I do.
And then when I have these questions, like you said before, you're kind of talking your book about you know what your body count was and then so that's going to be held against you and I feel bad for that too.
I totally understand.
I think in the end the real answer is just to be discerning.
You know what I'm saying?
And to still at the same time work on yourself.
And understand, like the statistics are statistic.
I'm usually the one arguing the opposite side of this point, but just because there's one study that says that 17% of the time a woman is going to stay happy in a relationship after she's had more than 20 sexual partners, that's still 17% of women that still are happy after 20 sexual partners.
You know what I'm saying?
So, yeah, man, it's rough.
But that's the other thing is like, this is what my best advice would be.
Are you turned on either, are you going to sleep with this guy because you need validation or because he's just lighting you up like a blowtorch and he's love bombing you or whatever?
Is that why you're doing it?
Or you're doing it because you legitimately can see, you're just like, or you're ignoring red flags?
Or you're doing it because you can legitimately see a future with this dude.
If you can, then, you know, three dates or however or however, you know what I'm saying?
That would be the thing.
Now, if you make this dude wait six months, the problem is this, right?
If you make a guy wait like 10 dates or six months or whatever, he has so few boundaries that eventually you're not going to be attracted to him.
Does that make sense?
Because then this same guy comes to me in Rollo and be like, hey, man, I like this girl.
She's been with 45 dudes and she's making me wait 10 dates.
We'd be like, bro, what the fuck is wrong with you?
You see what I'm saying?
They'll do it too.
They'll stick around because you're their only option.
And they're like, you know, I know if I just say the right thing or do the right thing, I'm going to get in there.
When you recognize you're his only option, you're not going to be that attracted to him.
I'm sorry, but it's just not the way supply and demand works, right?
So, I mean, but let me tell you something, ladies.
I do feel, bro, I see these dudes.
Like, I feel like it's been so when I got older, when I turned at the age of 40, I remember having an easier time meeting women because my competition is Takashi6ix9ine and fucking Machine Gun Kelly.
Like, that's who I have to compete with, dude, who wear pink dresses.
And, like, that's not really much competition.
I'm not trying to brag.
There's nothing special about me.
It's just, man, I just saw this lack of masculinity just sucked out of this dating marketplace with men who had never bench pressed 200 pounds, been a fucking fight, played football, any of these like basic things that I went through.
The teasing and the razzing that happened, these dudes will report me on fucking Instagram if I say bad words to them now.
Like, I cannot believe these men that you guys have to pick from.
And I feel bad, dude.
I legitimately, I do.
So don't think that I don't empathize with the situation.
Women would rather share an alpha guy than to be saddled with the beta loser.
Yeah, I think liberals are the problem, bro.
This is a bit of a broke statement.
When do we get Alex Jones over here with our own fucking show?
That's what I want to say.
I just think that I just think, yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
Honestly, I don't think it's right or left or political or anything to do with that.
I just think it's the way that we have sort of acculturated multiple generations of guys since the sexual revolution.
Whether that's Republican, you know what?
I can make the same arguments against conservatives that I can with liberal leftists as well.
It's just they, what is it?
You know, Tradcons are just progressives driving the speed limit.
They're just doing what they think is right.
And the guys on the right are just as weash as the guys on the left right now.
So, and that's the problem.
When Justin's here and we're talking about how he's going to have the pick of the litter and women are more than willing to share him, we're getting to a default situation where women, because they'll share, that becomes polygamy.
This one guy gets many, many women, and it's not because he's trying to, or polygyny.
He's not the one initiating this.
It's because he's the best option, and women are more than, whether they're consciously doing it or not, he's the best option to wait out.
I hope if I can get with him, if I do this, then he'll want to stay with me.
It'll be closed on both our ends, and we'll live happily ever after because he's just, he's the apex.
Well, what Mike is just saying right here is the competition is so low right now that, yeah, he's the default choice.
The guy who's the apex alpha becomes the default choice.
So you have this state of polygyny, I guess, where it's one man and many women, but it's initiated by women because their only selection are the one that they want to get with.
They don't need a man for long-term security because they've already taken care of that.
So they don't need a man, but they want a man.
What's the man that they want?
They want this guy.
They want Jason Momoa.
They want the guy who's going to be the good sexual experience for them.
And then other guys who are the lesser men, they complain about him because he ruined my girlfriend.
He ruined the girl that now I'm married to, and my life is a living hell because she can't get over that guy.
Word.
Do you have anything to say then?
I have to announce something really quick.
And I need to apologize to somebody here.
He raided us on Twitch.
He's a Chad gamer.
His name's Peyo Frederic in Canada.
Eric, I don't know if you're, Eric, I need you to pull it up.
I don't know if you're, I think it was the last podcast we reacted to Peyo.
We reacted to that Twitch clip of him with the keyboard, and then we reacted to his, we pulled up his Instagram.
So if you go to Instagram.com, I just, he raided us on Twitch and I missed it, which is like really bad form on Twitch.
I apologize.
Our primary stream platform is YouTube, so we missed it on Twitch.
So my bad.
Fred Greek, Las Vegas.
So pull up his Instagram just so we can shout him out and then we're gonna have the girls react see if he would date him.
And then, if you recall, recall that Twitch clip we reacted to um, I don't know how you're gonna find it.
To be honest, try to find it.
It's uh PAYO, pay a y o w o.
Yo Victor, thank you, man.
Victor, donated 210 dollars.
Forgot to read what's the trigger for tts, but now I don't really have a message.
Just sorry to disappoint my girl house slithering college.
You I am wearing a slithering t-shirt as a father of two happily married.
Yo Victor, thank you for the uh big 210 donation there through Streamlabs.
Really appreciate it, man.
Thank you for the tts.
Uh yeah uh, forgot to read what's the trigger for tts.
Oh, I think maybe you sent one earlier, that at a lower threshold.
In any case, thank you so much, man.
Really appreciate it.
Eric, can you go ahead and pull up PAYO PAYO.
If you're watching this I don't know if you still are you raided us like two hours ago.
Thank you for the raid, man.
Uh, so girls, would you date this man?
He's a Chad World Of Warcraft gamer, a twitch.
He didn't, he put the old filter on.
Yeah, that's something you can do on a facebook skateboard one.
Um so, like he's.
He's a gamer, like top tier World Of Warcraft gamer.
His eyes close more, or are they just stuck like that?
I think they're just stuck like that he's.
He had Thunder fury on like two of his level 60 Rogues In Vanilla in like World Of Warcraft Classic.
So he's a.
He's like a Chad Eric.
Uh, zoom in on that one with Thunder Fury with the sword.
So uh ladies, yes or no, would you date this guy?
Low-key, he's got the physiology of a high Elf from Skyrim.
Like, if he like, if you like, put the slider up all the way.
He's a little thick in the waist, but he looks funny as.
But he looks funny as fuck dude, I I would definitely date him.
Like he looks silly, he looks okay he's, that's yes, he.
He lives in Canada though like, is that an issue?
Like he's Canadian, you have a passport.
Are you down to?
If, if he flew, if he offered to fly you out, would you go see him?
I don't know, because i'm seeing someone right now.
What, huh?
I thought you were single.
Wait no no no, i'm seeing someone.
I said i'm seeing somebody's a virgin.
Yeah, i'm a virgin, but she is.
He does look like a high elf and as a dark elf, Avery you down.
Yeah, he seems funny.
He's a good guy.
I would go to Canada.
He's a good guy.
I'm kind of over la.
Anyways yeah, he keeps dying in hardcore mode, like he's just like.
Finally he decided to play a rogue, but normally he plays a hunter, but well, not normally.
Normally he plays a rogue but he like tried to level hunter like seven times but he kept dying in hardcore.
So now he's like in his 50s on a rogue, like is that, does that 50s?
No, like level level 50, keep up, keep up, level 50.
I'm sorry, justin.
Okay yeah, I actually want to date this guy.
This guy seems awesome.
I'm just kidding you down you, you down form.
I go on a first date, on a first date with Payo.
Okay, what about you?
I just yeah, he plays classic, he only plays classic.
What if he played League Of Legends then would you be into him?
Yeah, he's a classic Andy through and through.
Like he only plays Classic.
I just like myself an anime nerd, like huh, I love myself an anime confirmer did not, like you know, I just want to argue back and forth on which one's the best anime you know, just over, just stupid discussions.
Okay sure, what about you?
Would you go for Payo?
No no Eric, can you?
Can you find that clip really quick?
Um yeah, i'm looking for it.
Where?
Where are you looking?
So i'm in the.
Are you on this twitch clips?
No, I was in the.
I was in the folders.
Oh, it's we.
Oh wait, did we download?
Wait, hold on, let me look.
Your chat is awesome.
I don't know if we wait, hold on, let me look.
I don't think we ever downloaded this in the video tab.
Let me, let me look.
I don't think we have it.
Um Yeah, but Peyo, I apologize for missing your raid.
I'm a scumbag, my bad.
We don't have, again, YouTube's our primary platform, so we're not really like following what's going on on Twitch all that closely.
While we're talking about Twitch, though, and while Eric finds that, Eric, can you pull up Twitch?
Let me shout these people out for the last time.
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Thank you guys so much.
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Thank you guys.
Okay, did we have any super chats come in Eric?
No.
No?
Okay.
Yes.
Eric, so if you go to, I'll try to find it.
Does anyone, while I'm trying to find it, does anyone have final thought or?
Earlier we were asking about questions that we have like amongst the group about dating and stuff.
Okay, so I have a question for like the chat, but also for you guys as well.
So like for me, like, for example, my last situationship, relationship, whatever you want to call it, it lasted for seven months, but like I wanted more and he didn't, right?
So with the guy that I'm talking to now, how long do you guys think I should wait for him to like ask me to be his girlfriend before I'm like, okay, like this is like, it is going too far?
Like I should say, you should ask him.
I'll see you.
Ask who?
You should ask Kim.
Okay.
Kim?
Kim.
Oh, him?
That should be on you.
I think that should be on you to try to be maneuvering towards that.
No, but I feel like for me, like, I tend to, like, just be like, okay, I'll wait it out.
Like, I'll put, like, all my energy towards that person, and I'll be like, three months.
Three to two months.
Yeah, that golden three months.
Yeah, you know, when people start showing that real closely.
It's when people start showing their true colors.
It's right.
I feel like I should take your advice as well.
What do you think?
You've been talking to him for seven months?
No, no, no, no.
My relationship before that was seven months, but we never got to talk about it.
How long have you been talking to this other guy?
This one right now?
Like a week and a half?
I think a week.
Well, they say that you know whether you're attracted to somebody in 0.3 seconds.
No, I'm attracted to him, but like it's more of the fact of like.
I'm just saying it should be fast.
And like if he starts crossing boundaries that you have, like you want, you want him to want you and see you for like a, you know, the woman that you are, not obviously for your body, but an actual time frame.
Mostly the body.
I think that you should.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know the guy.
Like some guys, I think I would know within like a week if he was actually somebody that I was serious.
I think about your experience as an infatuation.
No, no, wait.
She's asking if he, okay, here's the thing.
What you need to look for are his actions, not the words.
So even though I want to be your, so if you had a dude who was like down to kill for you and he was doing everything right and he never asked you to be like labeled the relationship, but he wasn't talking to any other girls, you should take that before you take a dude who's lying to you and says, let's be a boyfriend and girlfriend.
I was talking to, I just had Adam Sausnick on my show and he was talking about when Chris Humphries proposed to Kim Kardashian.
And he was like, one of the things that Chris Humphries does is he plays the I love you card like quick first, quick on.
This dude's got $50 million and he's 6'10 and he's good looking.
And he tells girls straight up, very quickly on, I'm in love with you.
So the thing is, fuck all those words.
Just pay attention to the actions that he does.
So are you seeing a bunch of red flag actions?
Then that's the thing I would look for.
If you don't see anything, he's with you all the time and he's meeting those demands.
Like, again, this is gonna sound insulting, ladies.
Pay way more attention to what he's doing and pay late.
Pay way more attention to what he's doing and pay way less attention to how you feel.
And I know ladies are like, No, no, no, it's all about my feelings.
I got to trust my feelings.
Pay way more attention to what he's doing and pay way less attention to how you feel.
By the way, if you paid way less attention to how you feel in everything, you'd probably all be millionaires.
Like, just stop paying attention so much to how you feel.
Pay more attention to his actions, and man, you will get so much further as far as reading people.
Rule number one in men of action: we don't listen to the motherfucking words, we only pay attention to people's actions.
So, that's what I would tell you.
Another red pill principle: the medium is the medium is the message.
I completely agree with this.
The medium is the message.
Like, what he is doing is communicating things to you.
Like, when guys come and they'll say to like him or me, they'll be like, Oh, you know, she's sending me mixed messages.
No, no, she's not.
And he's not sending you mixed messages either.
He's behaving in a way that is telling you, This is where I'm at.
Okay, so the issue with me is like this dude, he's very well known, like, in our area, like all over.
And I have gotten like a lot of things.
A lot of people have been coming up to me telling me things about him, but at the same time, I don't want to get to know him first before anything.
But at the same time, all these people that are telling me things have known him way longer than I have.
So, I'm like, okay, I'm like.
That's not an action, though.
Those are other people's words.
This is one thing.
Gats hat talks about this.
The men, men who served together during World War II are friends throughout life, or even if they're not friends, they trust one another because there was so much sacrifice that went into that.
Those things that call that create sacrifice, those are the things you should believe.
Rumors require zero sacrifice, which is why they're mostly bullshit.
No, no, I understand what you're saying.
But my point is, a lot of times, and this is the other thing.
I was a hoe until I wasn't a hoe when I met the girl.
I didn't want to not be a hoe for.
So, these things that you hear about before, they don't matter as much previous to your relationship with them.
But also, those things are words and they're not actions.
Actions are actions.
Does that make sense?
People can talk about I love America.
The people who fought for the U.S. military showed action that they loved America.
You see the difference?
It's not a social media post.
It's actually going out there and taking on live fire.
So, I would only pay attention to what actions I see and pay very little attention, especially because it is an evolutionary adaptation for women to denigrate other women by calling them other women hoes or to denigrate other men by saying, Oh, he's untrustworthy, when secretly she wants that man.
She wants that man.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
And the thing is, like, even with me, like, communication is a big thing.
So, I had even like talked to him about it, and I was like, you know, I had people coming up to me telling me this, the, this, and that.
He was like, they were guys, weren't they?
And I was like, yes.
And he's like, exactly, because they want you.
And at first, I was like, and then after I was like, okay, maybe I can kind of see it.
So, this is the guy you've been seeing for me.
I do.
No, two weeks.
I think that you like presenting that, just my opinion.
I think that you presenting something like that into the relationship so early on might make him a little more hesitant to like get with you.
Like, just because you're like bringing such an emotional topic in to something that's basically just beginning to be aware of.
No, not with us, because we do communicate and talk about a lot of our feelings, so which is why I had brought it up.
Stop doing that so much.
Just fucking go with it.
That's why I say to start a relationship with somebody, you have to be blunt and tell them what you want.
And if they tell you something at that point, yes, they can tell you something, which is words.
And as you say, actions.
Throughout that timeline, from that point on, after you told them directly what you want, from that point on, he will show you what he wants.
Because guys are actions.
And if he shows you, obviously, he's ignoring your phone call.
He's late texting you.
He's obviously outside more in the daytime.
That's action situation.
Let me settle this in one sentence.
Women talk, men do.
Exactly.
So if you're having.
Oh, let's talk about where are we at?
Let's have the talk.
Let's.
But when you throw a direct statement out there, how can you?
Was it demonstrate?
Do not explicate.
Okay.
It's like when you get to the point where it's like you're talking, like, I think too many people, especially this generation, too many people think that the key to a healthy relationship is open communication.
No, it's not that you communicate, it's what you're communicating.
We're going to do the Twitch thing really quick.
Eric, not the Payo clip, really quick.
Just pull up the Twitch because I want to show you the DNA he sent me.
I think he's joking around, but go in the corner next to the channel icon, far right, top corner, next the whispers, whispers.
Click on Payo.
And then I messaged him, scroll up.
He sent me a message: Payo, at 9 p.m., you ignored my raid like a little chicken shit.
So, Peyo, I apologize.
You don't have to show that.
I'm sorry, my little man.
Yeah, like I said, YouTube is our primary streaming platform.
We're not on Twitch.
I'm going to get that fixed, though, so we get a notification if we get a notable raid.
So, thank you, man.
Speaking of Payo, we're going to just, a couple of you said yes, you would date him.
However, I want to show you a video which may change your mind.
Eric, go ahead and pull that up.
And, Justin, I want you to weigh in on this too because this is.
Ew.
Go, go ahead.
What the fuck is that?
Oh, you need some air, some canned air.
Audio?
Hello?
Oh, never mind.
It's good.
I like his goon cave.
Goon cave.
How do you get maggots on your fucking keyboard?
It's a peanut, isn't it?
I don't know what the fuck.
What is this?
Dude, why do you got an old school fucking keyboard?
I kind of want to see his full setup.
Not just that.
Okay, that's his keyboard.
Does that change?
Dude, honestly, like, I'm pretty much.
Still down?
I mean, I'm in.
Okay, no.
Okay, okay, okay.
Okay.
You want to join him in his goon cave, though?
No, I'm a bit of a neat myself, so I don't really like like I can't really judge him too hard.
Like, like I said, I'm a neat.
I can judge that.
I can judge that.
I mean, I think that's fucking filthy.
I think you should get a better keyboard.
Is that an Amazon basics?
I think you should get a better one, first of all.
But that's fucking disgusting, bro.
Step it up, my little piece of shit.
I want Waller to weigh in on this.
We'll go.
Avery and then we'll have Justin go.
Go ahead.
I can't judge too hard because my keyboard doesn't look great either, although I don't know how him and I would do together because we're both messy.
So it might be a disaster.
You have a dirty, disgusting keyboard like that.
Not that bad.
It's pretty bad.
But it's got some crumbs.
It's pretty bad.
Peyo, can I ship you a new keyboard, buddy?
Justin, your thoughts on the very important part of being a gentleman and having class is keeping a clean house.
When you bring a woman into a house that's dirty, it makes her feel like a whore because she feels like she's at a fucking frat house.
If you want women to sleep with you and take you seriously, have a clean house, clean room, make your motherfucking bed every day, and make sure the bathroom is set up in a way where she can feel like she's clean in there.
Otherwise, she's just some frat whore in the whorehouse.
So keep your shit clean, bro.
You hear that, Payo?
From Justin Waller.
Stop being scared.
Keep that fucking shit clean.
It's a big deal, man.
Even if your shit is not nice, if it's clean and respectable, then she can feel like she's in a situation where she's a classy woman, you know, inside your house.
If you have underwear on the floor and shit, and you can't even, you know, clean your sink and get the hair off the sink, then she just feels like she's in a trashy place.
Justin, he's worth millions.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter because it's about how you make people feel.
So make them feel like they're in a classy environment.
You might say that, Peyo.
You are not prepared.
Your shit's not prepared, dude.
get a fucking clean keyboard if you're gonna have the girls around thank you Sorry, that's way too long.
I'm sorry, guys.
I'm sorry.
I'm being crazy.
I feel like Mike should know what that theme is from.
No, I don't know.
Is that World of Warcraft?
Is that World of Warcraft?
I don't know what that is.
I play Skyrim, I don't play World of Warcraft.
Cool, cool, cool.
So, okay, we have to.
Let's do a Tate clip.
Let's do a Patrice clip and then let's wrap up the show.
Eric, can you pull up?
We haven't done the loyalty, Tate loyalty clip in a while.
I think we only did it once.
I guess we could do that one really quick.
I don't even remember what it is.
It's been so long.
It's in the video folder, Eric, if you can pull that up.
Dropbox.
Podcast videos tape.
Tate loyalty.
And get it set up before you bring us over there.
In the meantime.
Oh, what the frick?
It's not even funny.
Wait, what happened?
Why isn't that going?
Did you mute?
I think, Eric, you muted the.
Oh, God.
Oh, okay.
I see.
Oh, shoot.
All right.
Throw me off.
I'm muted now, so I'll.
Yep.
Sorry, guys.
What is this clip?
Can I just say that I want to go ahead and scroll back a little bit?
I just wanted to say that Spring Heel, whatever, the guy in chat, Oblivion is a better game.
I just wanted to throw that out there.
Yeah, I agree.
Oblivion's great.
Scroll.
One more.
Scroll one more.
I just, the player.
Elden ring is a better game.
You need to scroll the play.
The playback.
There you go.
Go ahead.
Holy.
So everyone's suffering compromises.
If you're saying that I value sexual exclusivity above everything else, that's fine.
But you're going to have to compromise.
If I want the most reliable car I can buy, I can't go into the Ferrari garage and say it has to be reliable.
Go buy a Toyota then.
This is what comes with a Ferrari.
You get the performance, you get the beauty, sometimes it breaks down.
That's how it goes.
That's what comes with a Ferrari.
If you want a talk, talk, talk to your man, he's going to do certain things.
And most women intrinsically know this.
If you go to one of these parties in Miami and one of these chicks is chilling with Chris Brown, do you think she believes he's going to be loyal?
No, it doesn't matter.
It's Chris Brown.
Women intrinsically understand that certain value of male, that they're not going to get sexual exclusivity and they don't care.
All right.
Let's get the panel's reaction to it.
Avery, your reaction to that?
It's a short clip, but.
I don't really know what to say.
I do care.
I don't want a man to cheat on me.
Is that obvious?
I think the point he's trying to make is that when you're dealing with a certain tier of men, a certain status of man, perhaps not all of them, but some of them, they're going to come with problems.
Yeah.
Like perhaps, for example, you're not going to get exclusivity from that kind of guy.
Yeah, I've definitely experienced that, so I kind of stopped going for people that had static, like fame like that.
I wouldn't say it's like money.
I would say more so if it's someone that has some fame.
I definitely have experienced, yeah, they fuck around.
So I've just stayed away from that.
Sorry, the question is: if you want a high-value man, you have to be okay with exclusivity.
It's compromises.
It's compromised.
Exclusivity is compromised.
Nope.
Sexual.
I kind of missed it.
Sorry.
Open on his end, close on your end.
That is not an option for me.
Fair enough.
Your reaction to the video?
Yeah, I think if you're seeking like a top 1%.
Tilt the mic down towards you.
There you go.
I think if you're seeking a top 1% guy, then yeah, it is his prerogative to have multiple bitches.
For me personally, I'm not seeking again those traits, so that wouldn't really apply to me.
My definition of a high-quality man isn't the same as a high-value man.
Fair enough.
What's your definition then?
Still trying to figure that out.
Like I said, it's just based off chemistry.
It's not a checklist.
Stars have to align.
I'm just curious.
Like, how do you wipe?
I'm just curious.
How do I wipe?
How do you wipe?
I don't know.
The nails are just kind of long.
I'm just curious.
Jesus Christ.
Wait, do you actually do the wrap?
Yeah.
You gotta get that extra precaution.
Mystery solved, bro.
Mystery solved.
I wanted the same thing, too.
You don't use the nails.
You like use the skin.
Just use the side of your hand and just get up in that dookie.
That's what you do.
Wait, what?
Because it wasn't an answer.
Oh, you wipe.
I used to have longer nails than that.
I'm promising that.
I'm going to take a shower right after.
You've been derailing.
That's like the best way.
Best way.
Just derailing.
Okay.
So the question is.
I don't know if you did.
So the question is: if I'm going to date someone that's not reaction to the question.
He's saying.
No, I'm not sharing.
He's saying, look.
I'm this high-status guy.
He's Andrew Tate.
Beautiful, beautiful man.
Rich.
Two-time, is it four-time kickboxing?
Four-time kickboxing.
Four-time kickboxing champion.
A fucking legend.
But he's not going to be.
He's going to have some other ladies.
I'd rather have someone that wasn't in the top 1% than have somebody that was.
I want somebody with other me, like always, not for other people.
I'm going to be 100% you.
What do you mean by that?
Like, only for you.
Only for me.
Meaning when we're together, we're together.
Meaning you're not seeking out other people's attention.
Closed on his end, closed on hers.
Closed on both ends.
Anybody else?
Want to share?
You want to share your alpha?
Yeah.
Well, if you were, if I was in a relationship with someone who is a high-quality man, obviously, A, I would want to be a high-quality woman.
Otherwise, I completely would understand that there's not that compatibility.
But at the same time, if you say relationship, if you say you're committed to me, then you're committed to me.
And if you decide not to be committed to me, then it's not worth the relationship.
So I guess that's my take on it.
Maybe I can clarify something really quickly because I see this all the time.
And Myron and Fresh have talked about this.
And Kevin Samuelson talked about this.
Tate talks about this.
And I actually brought this up in my fourth book in religion.
And it's actually drawn from another book called Alpha God by another evolutionary psychologist, Dr. Hector Garcia.
And in there, he states that powerful men, he doesn't use the word high values, that powerful men throughout history have had three things.
They've had resources, number one.
They've had access to territory.
And they've had exclusive, unique access to a harem of preferably virginic, but not all cultures, preferably young, fertile women.
So whether that's the emperor of China and the Forbidden City or it's the tribal chieftain in the Yanamamo tribe in New Guinea, I think, the theme stays the same for powerful men throughout history.
And so therefore, if you want to get with a guy who is the functional equivalent of a powerful man from our past, that there are certain compromises that you're going to have to make if that is the guy that's going to be for you.
And the reason we have this conversation right now is exactly what I was saying before: is that women would rather share an alpha than to be saddled with the faithful beta because women have been brought to a point right now of independence.
So they don't need, so they don't need long-term security anymore.
They don't need a man.
They want a man.
Who do they want?
They want a guy like Tate.
They want a powerful man.
Well, when they want that guy, that guy comes with compromises now.
So, if you want to get with the guy who's a tribal chief, and by the way, that doesn't necessarily mean that the guy, this is a part that gets confused.
I think a lot of like red pill guys think it means that you're the top G and you've got Lamborghinis and everything else.
But you can also find this in Mahatma Gandhi.
You can look at it in Carl Jung.
You can find the same thing in Dr. Martin Luther King.
They all had side bitches.
They all had mistresses on the side.
They were powerful men.
They didn't have the kind of money.
Like Mahatma Gandhi was poverty stricken for most of his, you know, most of the time he was active.
But he had side girls all the time.
He was a powerful man doing what he was doing.
He just wasn't financially powerful, but he was still made an impact on the world.
All those people that I mentioned right there are not necessarily like multi-millionaires, but they still have access to beautiful women because that's how it works.
And not that women like that, but if they want to get with a guy like that, they have to accept the compromise.
Do all three of you guys agree with that?
To a certain extent.
He's making historical references in yes.
Like, do you guys remember all the protests that happened when Derek Jeter was fucking Jessica Beale and Jessica Alba and Mariah Carey?
No, no.
No, you don't.
No one gave a fuck because he was so high status that no one cared that he was.
No one cared about all the women that George Clooney went through.
Recently, we've seen this pushback with Leonardo DiCaprio.
It's just like these men were, nobody cared.
No one was like, oh my God, Holly Madison.
Hugh Hafner was having sex with other women.
No one cared.
No one had a problem because these men were so high status that it just for whatever reason, and the reason is the reason he's explaining, you know, why King King is Solomon or King David had 800 wives.
I forget who it was.
Yeah, had 800 wives.
We didn't bat because society didn't bat an eye because they were at such a high status that nobody cared that they were doing those things.
Gandhi kisses little boys.
What the?
Man, we are.
Too close.
Bro, that was a little TRI.
I'm reading the chat.
I'm reading the chat.
That's a technical too flagrant.
That's an objection.
That's not.
Don't confuse Mahatma Gandhi with the, what's the Dalai Lama, okay?
Like, stop it, all right?
Mahatma Gandhi, different than the Dalai Lama.
Are you going to answer this question?
I taught Andrew Tate everything he knows.
I love that.
So that means that you don't care if he sleeps with other women?
If I'm a part of it.
No.
I was just, thank you for answering.
Yeah.
So who did?
I think you asked a question, or Rolo, you came in to clarify something.
Where were we at?
Your reaction to the clip.
Did you get to go?
Well, I just wanted to say, I think.
Gandhi kisses little boys.
That's what you wanted to say.
No, no, no, I just wanted to say, I think Andrew Tate is really funny.
Like, I kind of fuck with his ethic.
I kind of fuck with it.
You know, I mean, I don't know.
Like, I just think he's funny as shit.
And he's up there for a reason.
You know, he didn't just get up there.
You know, I think he's based.
I think he's red-pilled.
Let's fucking go.
Okay.
Your reaction to the clip?
She kind of already did.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, you already get?
Yeah, already.
I think that there's a right and a wrong.
And I think that having sex with more than just your husband or wife is wrong.
Okay.
And even, okay, let me clarify this.
Even if he doesn't have feelings for her, so it's just one night stand, he sleeps with her, and he comes back to you the same the next day and loves you, kisses you, pays for everything the same, that's still a problem.
I think that's wrong.
And if he hides that from you, that's even a bigger problem.
Definitely.
Okay, so now if he comes to you straightforward after that one night stand says, yes, I did fuck this person, would you leave him?
No.
And why do you think that?
I don't know.
It depends.
Avery is adorable.
Because I live this life, man.
I'm telling you right now, they won't leave you.
So the real problem isn't deceived.
No, this is two different perspectives because she has to do it.
Yeah, but she doesn't know what she wants because when she runs into that dude, she's not going to be able to leave him.
All she's going to do is cry.
So all she can do is use guilt against him, but she's not going to leave him because she's still in love with him.
I've seen it too many times.
So she would stay with him.
She would absolutely stay.
Okay.
She would stay.
I know for a fact she would stay.
No, you don't.
And after a certain age, after a certain age, and you guys get married, he will eventually cheat.
Because there's tons of women in this world.
And as he says, you know, men have higher testosterone than girls.
And they need to release that.
And this, the hoe, the side, whatever, like, you know, like all those powerful men had were those people that they released the stress on.
So, and obviously as his wife, she knows.
There are people in my life.
Then would you stay?
Now, let me ask you, would you stay in that relationship still?
Why do these women stay very, very, very hard for me to leave?
I'm not doubting that.
But do I think that I would stay?
It's too broad of a question.
But I do think that it would be very, hard for me to leave.
Yeah, because your dilemma is you're going to leave him for a man that you love less that would cheat on you anyway if he could.
I think it would be a bad thing.
So you're talking about leaving like a high-level guy that is truly there for you emotionally and in every way, knowing that even if you left him for a man that you love less, that was trash.
You don't think that's a good idea to do that?
Hear me out.
Hear me out.
You're going to leave him for a man you love less, right?
More than likely, if you're that in love with him, who would cheat on you anyway if he could, because a lot of men use the fact that they can't get other women for loyalty.
And I think women make the mistake of believing that.
I guess you wouldn't leave.
I would never marry somebody that had that idea.
You would marry somebody and you knew it was in your mind.
But I want to tell you right now, when you genuinely fall in love with a man, you're not going to be able to help it.
And one thing that I think is really important about this is if he sits down and told you the truth, you would respect that much more than a coward that did it behind your back.
Of course I would not.
I would not marry somebody and commit myself to somebody that was okay with sleeping with another woman.
I would never be okay with that.
Now, if he directly told you.
I didn't say you'd be okay with it.
I said you would stay.
Yeah, those are two different things.
The other thing is, and let's make this because he alluded to this kind of your boyfriend has string arms.
That doesn't make him a peaceful man.
That means that he's a weak man and he chooses to not get in fights because he's going to get his ass kicked.
That doesn't make a peaceful man is a man that can conduct massive amounts of violence and chooses not to.
And because your man doesn't cheat because he's unattractive doesn't make him a faithful man.
He's not cheating on you because he can't find other women.
And you need to determine which is which because oftentimes, ladies, you don't until it's too late and then you break up with him because you realize you didn't get a faithful man.
You got a man who had no options.
Yeah, I've loved your guys' message until this point.
I do not agree with it.
We're not telling you it's morally okay.
What we're telling you is most likely you would stay because most women would stay.
You would absolutely stay.
I can agree with that.
Well, I can agree with you.
Unfortunately, you would hate it, but you would stay.
No, no, let me put it in perspective.
So what they're trying to say is that this man is providing for you.
Like, as in, he pays for everything, the lights to turn on, the food that you're eating, and everything.
I would also say not just financially, like emotionally.
And it's like everywhere.
Like truly, like your person.
Of course.
And he rubs you and he loves you the same.
But it's just the one day that he, you know, messes with another girl and he told you straightly that I did.
That sounds like it would be mental torture.
Exactly.
Because he puts you in a position.
Because the commitment is not there.
Oh, the commitment's there.
No, it's not there.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
You're tying sexual exclusivity to commitment.
But men that have to do that, more than likely, you won't want that man.
You're his highest concubine.
Now, in the beginning of this podcast, I did.
I did stand up for women here.
Now, in the beginning of this podcast, I did say he will cheat on you because of a certain amount of things.
Now, it feels like in a relationship, as I said, you have to lean.
It's a scale.
Now, if a guy or person or girl invests too much, obviously they have that will of, oh, I could do whatever I want because I'm paying for this person.
This person is obviously on lock with me.
And I can do whatever I want because I can.
And you are going to be sitting at home scared to death that one day he is going to cheat on you.
And you're going to have that constant fear in your head.
Even after marriage.
It's not like we're just like, oh, yeah, it's okay if you cheat on me.
But that's why I think that's what I'm saying.
My problem with it is, though, is calling it cheating at all.
Like, because a man should be honest about it, it's the fucking cowards that I think I have a problem with.
It's the dude that's too scared to tell you to your face.
That is.
And every girl I see watches every podcast I do.
Let me see if I can give you a little bit of hope in this hopeless situation here.
So in July, I will have been married for 27 years.
Damn.
I have never brought another woman in.
Don't clap.
I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do.
Not every man's like Rolo.
So here's the thing is when it comes to infidelity, and this is men and women, but since we're talking about men here, men cheat for two reasons, or there's two factors involved when men cheat, okay?
Opportunity, which we were just discussing, and a reason.
Most men today are overweight.
75% of guys are overweight.
A good 30% of those guys, 35% of those guys are morbidly obese.
He's 100%.
Walk through any major airport right now and you will see just how optionless, just by looking at these guys, that these guys are not going to cheat because they have no, no one wants to fuck these guys, okay?
Simple as that.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Exactly.
Uh-oh.
The second part of this.
Looks like he watched after all.
Yeah, yeah.
There's your $100.
Is that the payment?
So, and then the second part of this is that is a reason.
A lot of guys have a reason to cheat.
They just don't have any opportunity to cheat.
Nobody wants to bang them.
Then there's guys like me who have plenty of opportunity, but my wife gives me no fucking reason to cheat.
So when I come on a show like this, you know what we do every other week, right?
I'm going to places.
My wife trusts me implicitly, and I have respect for my wife as well.
It is closed on her end and closed on my end, and that's the way it's been for coming up on 27 years right now.
So people in the red pill will say, oh, Rolo's red, he's red pill, he can't be married.
Or he can't be married because he's red pill, right?
They don't know I'm confusing to them.
That's why I get in trouble with sons of bitches like Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro and Lauren Chen because they don't know my background.
They have no clue what they're talking about.
90% of the people who are critics of the red pill simply don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
So when I am out there and I'm talking about this stuff, people go, people want us, like, for instance, I've been married longer than Ben Shapiro.
I've been married longer than Matt Walsh.
I've been married longer than 90% of the men.
And I'm very much in love.
And before we came out here, longer than Stephen Crowder?
Longer than Stephen Crowder?
Well, no.
Yes, actually, longer than Stephen Crowder.
But again, that's, but see, when I say that, it sounds like a flex.
I'm not trying to flex.
And that's why I said don't, don't clap, okay?
Because that's just the way my relationship works.
It doesn't work the same way that theirs.
And it's a lifestyle choice that I happen to be in.
And I will be happy.
I'm happy where I'm at, where it's at.
So it's not a lack of opportunity.
It's a lack of a reason.
Because my wife takes care of me sexually and in every other sense as well.
So it's not, I'm not in a polythruple.
I'm not in a fucking open relationship.
I know it sounds odd.
I hope it makes a comeback someday, but it's closed on my end and it's closed on her end.
You know what else?
She doesn't advertise on fucking OnlyFans or Instagram or whatever.
You can go, it frustrates the fuck out of my haters because they go and they try to find my wife on OnlyFans or they try to find her on fucking Instagram or Facebook.
She simply doesn't have social media.
That's it.
So you can stop looking.
I can appreciate that they're disclosing that to their wives or significant others or whatever.
But I think pushing that message will harm society and not the problem.
Okay, so let me now I'll take issue with that.
The reason why it won't harm society is because what they're doing is just in response to what the sexual marketplace has become right now.
As I said, everybody here says, men ain't shit.
I got to go get my bag.
I got to go and have my long-term security.
These guys are worthless.
They are either abusers, they are incompetent, or they're like doofy Homer Simpson guys.
Those are your choices.
So for the last three or four generations, we have turned women into the men that they wanted to marry in the first place because they become strong, independent women, because they had to be, because they can't rely on men to do what Justin is saying, right?
So what happens is that changes the sexual economy that is the sexual marketplace.
And what happens is this is just a reaction to the market, to stresses that are in an economy.
So we, right now, I'm a freaking dinosaur when it comes to fucking marriage because I'm the last of a dying breed right now because the economy, the sexual economy has changed.
You should read that.
Yeah, yeah, well, there you go.
My question is.
Well, we do have to keep things.
Let's read Destiny's message on that.
We'll get to Destiny's.
We got to move things together.
I want to try to wrap the show.
I just want to, since we're speaking of Andrew Tate really quickly, Justin, you are involved in the war room, is that correct?
What's your involvement there?
Are you like the number two guy or like how what's your if you could just into the mic?
I hope guys get into the war room every day and to the real world.
It's the best school on the planet.
It's just something that me and Andrew decided to do together.
It's completely Andrew's.
It's just something that I'm a part of at on a high-level team.
So you could say the same for Satorio Shooter or many of the other guys like Lou Barnett.
You know, we just kind of came together and decided to put a group effort into something that's changing the world, man.
And it's the most fulfilling work I've ever done.
Rock and roll.
All right, let's get to Destiny's chats here.
So first off, Destiny, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
Much appreciated, man.
Looking forward to having you on the show in about, what, two weeks is it?
16th.
Yeah, 16th.
Destiny will be on the show.
And we have this soup chat from Destiny.
Avery, will you read this for us?
This is an absolutely delusional talking point that only exists in red pill circles.
Women do not tolerate men cheating, especially not women that run in circles with HVM men.
Only red pill guys say this.
No sane woman will agree to these arrangements.
So the problem is what he's saying is simply just factually incorrect.
The idea that no woman would agree to these arrangements, there's just no way that you can go through.
Again, I know there's some women who don't agree to these arrangements.
My point is, no, that's not it because I don't cheat on her.
That's not what he's saying.
What he's saying is that there are Russian oligarchs who are around high-status, high-value men that do this.
There are athletes.
There's Jason Derulo's wife.
I could come up with hundreds of examples.
What he said is that no sane woman would agree to these.
That's just simply not factual.
What he's saying is simply Scott.
What he's saying is hyperbole.
Loki Destiny is giving me a lot of people.
What he said was highest vibes.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Do you want to say something?
Go ahead.
Low-key Destiny is giving me major cuck vibes.
I don't know who he is, but I'm reading.
Yes, you do.
Just come up.
I don't.
I don't.
Deadass, I don't know who he is.
You know who Sneeko is.
You know who the fuck Destiny is.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Who are we giving?
I'm getting major cuck vibes.
I just want to throw that out there.
I just wanted to throw that out there.
Sorry, sorry.
I'm sorry I said that in front of his girlfriend.
You threw it in.
Really quick question.
So you're friends with Destiny, correct?
You said, you know, in terms of the person you're eventually looking to get with, you know, you want this really good connection, whatever it may be.
Ship you and Destiny?
Is it a married polyman?
That totally fits my hopeless romantic criteria.
The connection's there.
You and Destiny?
Like, is it Whatever exclusive, are you guys?
Yeah, there's been comments about it.
Legitimately, a polyamorous relationship, a polyamorous relationship is the arrangement he's saying that no sane woman would get into.
Yeah.
He's literally doing it.
He's literally doing it.
And I know he's going to be a little bit more.
I'm going to say my point.
How would his deal if he got another girl pregnant?
Wait, are we?
How can you say that that wouldn't happen?
Because I'm not, we don't, it's not like he just goes and does.
He doesn't go and do things without me.
I'm a part of it always.
If I'm not a part of it, then yes, that's cheating.
And I would be like, gone because I'm giving you all that.
Don't worry about that.
That's what my question is.
No, I'm a part of it always.
So I know what's going on.
I know nobody could get an example.
Wait, what are you talking about?
In a hypothetical relationship, would she be upset if that happened?
Is that what you're saying?
Hypothetically speaking, if the guy I was dating got another girl pregnant, would I be mad about it?
Yeah, because I'm asking in this scenario.
What happens when the not the like main woman, right?
The wife, what happens when another woman gets pregnant?
Like, would you have a problem with that?
Are we supposed to be a person?
Is this on golf?
Are we reacting to the take-clip or are we talking about that?
Is it related to that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
No, I mean, that's a good point.
I mean, does Destiny not live exactly that lifestyle?
I'm sure he's talking specifically about an arrangement of allowing men to cheat.
That's an arrangement.
Well, no, I mean, then the other part is he also presets it here, which is no sane woman, right?
Okay, well, so now we can say, well, they must be damaged if they're doing that.
There must be something very, very wrong with them.
But he's saying if it's one-sided, his marriage is that they can both be polyamorous.
That's the difference.
I mean, I just, like, I mean, we can argue her.
So that makes her sane.
He's saying the insanity would be letting it happen just on one side just because he's high value.
But we see it all the time.
That's number one.
And then, second of all, it's like, again, as I was saying, all this is, is just a beta male adaptation strategy, okay?
I can't get fucking laid if I don't allow my wife to go out and fuck other guys.
So therefore, I'm going to have to go and allow this to happen so that I can go out and do it and she can go out and do it too.
Whenever you have an open relationship, the one who benefits the most is usually the one that is into it the most.
Yeah, the liberal agenda.
Okay, wait.
Dude, there's a class.
Wow, wow, like in a vague sense, I agree with you then.
I think that's what we're talking about right here.
Justin go ahead.
Justin, you feel like you wanted to say something.
I was just going to say that there's a class of women that don't work, that raise their own children, that live in a country club and go on vacations five, six, seven, eight times a year.
And they're laughing at women that say they wouldn't let a man cheat because their ass is getting cheated on anyway.
And the difference is those women that live in that country club are actually madly, madly in love with their husband.
You can shake your head if you want, you wouldn't leave them.
And maybe in 10 years, you're going to find out yourself when you're pushing that golf cart.
Again, the second hyperbole, this discussion only exists in red pill circles is wrong.
Again, absurd.
Like, that is not, that is not factual.
I can name multiple other circles that existed far before any of this happened, where women agreed to share a high status man.
I'm not saying all men should cheat.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying his statement is hyperbole.
But my question's not being answered, which is, so let's say that woman is okay with...
No, I don't think she's okay with it.
Okay, you're right.
She hates it.
Well, I guess I don't know.
Well, it's not ideal.
Does she not care then if a kid, if somebody has a kid with a family?
No, I think she.
Yeah, absolutely.
You want to know the truth?
Yeah.
At some level, a man, the woman stops fighting for sexual exclusivity and starts fighting for position.
That is so bad.
I know it's fucked, right?
But it's true.
It's completely true.
It's not right.
It's not right.
Nobody said it was fair.
Life is not fair.
It's not fair that men get drafted into work.
I agree that life is not fair.
Yeah, like and I'm not saying it's fair and I'm not saying look I say all the time if I could stroke a track for a million dollars right now and make that feeling come out of me I'd write it today.
Yeah, I don't know when people hit me up and I know people will criticize me of this too.
They'll say Rollie you are anti-marriage.
I could be anti-marriage.
You've been married for as long as you have.
It's like once again, I am not anti-marriage.
I'm not anti-what you want.
I think that's actually a good ideal to strive for.
I'm just saying today it is untenable and the way we do marriage today, I can't advocate for it.
I can't say, hey, everybody ought to get married because it's all downside risk for guys right now.
It is all responsibility and 0% authority.
What he's saying right here, men still have authority because it's like it's open on my end and it's closed on your end unless you comply or goodbye, right?
And it's not like he's forcing her to stay there as some sort of sex slave chained to the kitchen floor.
It would be a situation where she, like, the man is honestly.
She's choosing to choosing to you.
She's choosing you.
And what's really messed up about it, honestly, is I sometimes believe it's harder for women because by the time you find the man that clicks off all those boxes, he is in so much abundance of women that you're in not a very good negotiating position.
I'm not advocating that you go, like, I'm not trying to tell you that you should accept a man that cheats.
I think that every person in this world should have choice.
But I am saying there's a lot of relationship dynamics that are out there that are acceptable that are far less, Destiny's being one of them that I personally wouldn't want, that are far less, let's say, a bad situation than the traditional man that takes care of you fully and might slip out every now and then, but comes home, holds you at night, tucks in babies, and a damn good father.
That's what I would say.
Can you two get off your cell phones, please?
We're about to wrap up here pretty soon.
Destiny, confirm or deny, is there a romantic thing going on here?
Is there Destiny confirm or deny?
Is there, do you think, like, if he wasn't doing this like polygamous open marriage thing, would you?
Like, he's a smart guy.
He's a good, smart, intelligent, super intelligent, dude.
If he wasn't banging Lauren Southern, would you be wearing that?
Do you feel any chemistry?
Does any of the chemistry standard before?
Do you feel anything?
I'm trying to be the wingman.
I'm trying to wingman for Destiny.
Like, you know.
I think we click well, yeah.
Destiny?
Like, can I like arrange a date between?
Sure, yeah.
I mean, you guys are already in conversation.
I mean, we live in the same city, yeah, but you can arrange it.
Okay, sweet.
Yeah.
Okay.
He might be the guy that's going to be a good idea.
I'm going to say virginity.
I'm taking credit for this romance that's going to blossom.
Okay.
Last video, and then we're going to wrap.
Let's play the Patrice clip and then wrap on that.
Oh, do we have any super chats, Eric, or are we good?
I think we're good.
Destiny was the last one.
Yeah, Destiny was the last one.
Alright, let's play the Patrice clip, we'll react to it, and then we're going to stick the landing.
Let me ask you a question.
Here's a question.
Here's a quick serious question.
Okay, ladies, you didn't have a vagina.
Like, say it was a terrible train accident, right?
And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die.
How would you keep your man past, you get a two-month guilty?
I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost a pussy in a train accident.
Can't just walk right out on him.
How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina?
Pause it, Eric.
Okay, we're gonna have the girls respond.
Did you do this last time?
Were you okay?
So, how do you keep your man?
Terrible train accident.
Pussy's gone.
Lost the pussy.
There's a train accident.
What do you do to keep your man?
Well, there's still blowjobs.
That's what I've done.
Okay.
I have no argument against that.
I have none.
We'll go around the table like this.
Go ahead.
I mean, I keep doing the same thing.
My relationship history has already operated that way.
She's a virgin mess for me.
And perhaps her vagina did come off in a train accident.
We don't know about it yet.
There have been some train accidents in this country recently, so it's plausible that a woman could have lost her pussy in a train accident.
Virginity just might be a cope for a loss of vagina.
Some girls are butthole virgins.
There you go.
Particularly church girls.
No soaking.
No soaking.
Go ahead.
What do you do to keep your man?
Just, I don't know.
I'd probably make him my work husband, honestly.
I mean, not work husband.
My house husband.
The one that takes care of the house, and then I'm the one that pays everything.
No, but how would you satisfy him?
How would I satisfy him?
What would you do to keep your man?
To keep him in?
Well, honestly, I don't have to try a lot because I already have personality.
I already have everything that's there.
But I didn't need my pussy to even talk to this dude.
That's what a lot of people fail to realize.
So he's just going to jerk off, that's it?
To talk to him?
I mean, he could go cheat.
Honestly, that's why he dates by.
That's why I like a lot of people.
Are you talking as far as like sexual pleasure?
Well, let's just let the girls answer and then we can come in afterwards.
Are you talking as far as like sexual pleasure?
Is that what we're talking about?
We don't have to.
Are we talking about like what else are we like?
What else are they benefiting besides that?
Well, it's kind of scuffed now, but just whatever, however you take it, his question is: what do you do to keep your men, however you want to view it?
Just go ahead.
Quality time.
Yeah, quality time.
Quality time?
Sure.
Okay.
They can put badges on dudes now.
So just pull them back.
What?
Did you ever hear Chris Chan?
You know how he tried to.
Everybody in the chat who's seen this bit already is just like chomping at the bit.
Bro, I thought there was a thing behind me for a second.
I was scared as shit.
I was like, what is that on the screen?
What do you do to keep your men?
Okay, what was the question?
Bro, really?
Bro, I don't fucking know.
If you're a vagina, if you didn't have a vagina anymore, terrible train accident, lots of pussy.
I'm not used to having trains run on me, so I wouldn't know.
Oh, God.
Jesus Christ.
Oh, my God.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I was a good one.
Okay, I'm sorry.
How about another joke, Murray?
I'm sorry.
We don't call retarded people retards.
Oh, that's going to get me.
Canceled.
Hold on, hold on.
Never mind.
I couldn't say that word.
That's a good point.
I honestly don't know.
They don't watch it past six hours.
This question is a bit haram.
I don't know if I can answer it.
All right, moving on.
Go ahead.
What do you do to keep your man into the mic, please?
Inside my marriage, my body is my husband's and his body is mine.
So anything and everything goes.
What?
Okay.
Kylie, what about you?
I would chop it off.
Now we're even.
You chop his penis off?
Of course.
Okay.
Stay away from trains, by the way.
Just saying.
Okay, Eric, play the rest of it.
They didn't really take the bait, but.
A couple good.
Wow.
Nothing?
You can talk.
You can talk.
Suck his dick.
Okay.
Mouth.
Asshole, okay, right?
Do you see what I'm saying?
Now, I've been getting pussy bean the whole show, right?
But I give women an opportunity to say, I'm going to make myself worth more.
But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
But, you know, I'm.
I'm supposed to teach you special, but you're just a bunch of holes to yourself.
No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play P. Tell better stories.
another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
Well, look, whatever.
Avery, what was your answer again?
Blowjobs.
RIP's in the chat for Avery, guys.
Add a girl.
All right, I'm going to wrap up here.
Anybody last opportunity, speak now or forever, hold your peace?
Anybody?
Do you have anything to say to Destiny?
You seem like you're chomping at the bit.
I don't fucking know.
I just.
Come on, get the cuck line in again one more time.
Plus the table.
Destiny, I read your little chat.
You seem like a cuck, low-key.
Bro.
I'm sorry to say that in front of your girlfriend.
I'm sorry to say that in front of your girlfriend.
Okay, I'm sorry to say that in front of your girlfriend.
I don't know Destiny that well.
I don't know him that well either, but I'm basing that.
No, we should defend him.
I'm going to defend Destiny.
You don't know him to call him a cuck.
But based on the chat, based on the chat, based on what he said, you're taking just a bear word?
Do you know what he looks like?
Should we put a quick quick look?
I don't know what he's doing.
Should we pull up a quick look?
I don't want him to be shaded.
Okay, I think that would be great.
Just so there's a little context.
Everybody knows what he looks like now.
By the way, Destiny, am I abusing?
Is this like a little boy?
I just want people to know what he looks like.
I mean, I saw a cuck, so I said cuck.
Oh, my God.
I just want people.
Eric, Google Destiny.
Hello?
Oh, that works too.
Uh-oh.
Okay, all right.
The blue hair tells me everything I need to know.
Drag queen story already?
Hey, don't judge a book by its cover.
Listen, there's him and his four wives.
His four wives.
I think, no, he has one wife.
How did he accumulate this many concubines?
That's my question.
Look at that.
Is that a conductor's hat?
I remember when he fought The Undertaker in that cage match.
Oh, sorry.
I'm too old.
Should we, should we also, um, would girls destiny?
He's not.
Smash or pass.
Go.
Smash or pass.
By the way, just some context, like Destiny, he's like, he's super high IQ, dude.
Like, I think Destiny's a super intelligent guy.
Successful Twitch or well, not Twitch streamer anymore.
Sorry, Destiny.
Successful streamer, successful doing content creation.
Super intelligent dude.
Probably like one of the top debaters out there.
Zestiny.
Zestiny?
Is that one?
He does have blue hair.
Zesty, very Zesty.
Some girls are down with the blue hair.
Very Zesty, Zestiny.
Zesty?
Zesty.
Zestiny.
Okay.
Avery, would you.
Just based off his looks, yeah, I think.
Okay.
All right, cool.
Smash.
Smash?
Okay, oh, see.
Boom.
All right.
You will break the internet if you did that shit.
Wait, pass?
Is it the blue hair?
Is it just like what he's into?
His morals, I just not.
Is your type more like teardrop tattoo?
No, it's somebody who can make me laugh and share the same things that I like.
Destiny's funny.
He's a funny guy.
He's smart, too.
I guess I have to meet him.
Okay, can I arrange a meeting between you and Destiny?
Like, maybe, like, it could be a triple date or something, like you guys.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm not an update.
I don't mean to.
I'm kind of like, okay, all right, whatever.
What about you?
Take both of you datum.
Would you go for Destiny and not your type?
Pass.
Okay, what?
Hardcore pass.
Bro, you guys are ruthless.
What about you?
I already said everything went over.
I don't know.
Maybe she's not going to marry him.
You know what, though?
Maybe despite her scathing review, she might still be down.
What's his favorite video game?
That's my question.
We should set you up with Nick Fuentez.
Does anybody know?
What's that game he plays with?
It's like League of Legends.
No, it's he plays it while he's streaming.
Factoria, thank you.
It's Factorio.
I've never heard of that.
I think I should set him up with it while he's on the stream, by the way.
He should like, maybe one of the Game Boys he can play while he's on the stream.
What about you?
Down for Destiny?
Hail nah.
Into the mic, please.
Hell no.
Kylie.
You like that blue hair?
Fuck that.
Come on, man.
All right.
I don't think he's in the chat anymore, anyway.
Snappy dresser.
Funny.
Humorous?
No.
Okay.
Well, then.
Last call, anybody?
Anybody before I wrap up here?
Go buy Rolo's book, The Rollo.
Which one?
I have five.
There's a whole bunch, guys.
I'm another author that has five books.
There's a whole bunch of those.
Oh, I have to do one question that's related to our sponsorship really quick.
I mean, whatever.
Just show of hands, like, who here would date an MMA fighter?
Why are we?
Oh, no, it's just related to that sponsorship.
We did earlier on.
I was just going to ask.
It's kind of late in the show, though.
Cool.
Just, yeah.
MMA Fighter.
Sorry, I'm tired.
I'm not directing this question very well.
Okay, in any case, go watch Access Vegas.
Oh, Destiny is still in the chat.
Okay, welcome, Destiny.
Go watch Access Vegas.
Check out Justin's channel on YouTube, Jay Waller.
And join the war room and say Jay Waller sent you.
Send me a message on Instagram or Twitter.
Can we do like a coupon code, like a whatever coupon code for like 50 bucks off?
There's no discounts in the war room.
20 bucks off?
Just see zero discounts in the war room.
I don't want to cut.
I'm just like trying to hook up my audio.
There's just zero discounts.
Okay, fair enough.
Fair enough.
Okay.
Sweet guys.
Thank you guys for tuning in.
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Drop us a follow if you have one.
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Go follow.
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Okay.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who over, like, you guys blew me away tonight.
The chat was on fire.
Just like 10,000 of you, I think was our peak.
Well, we were over 10,000 for a while.
So thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show, who donated through Streamlabs.
Thank you guys so much.
Big thank you to the panel.
I think we had a lively conversation there.
Thank you, everybody.
I know a lot of you came from out of town, out of state.
Out of country.
To the guys, please come back here.
It was great.
It was great.
We're driving back to Vegas tonight.
Not me.
Oh, hell yeah.
I'm going to bed.
Hey, one other thing.
Let me say this real quick.
If you check out some of Rolo and our stuff, don't do it at work.
It's not safe for work.
Yeah, we are.
Some of the stuff we do is not safe for work.
If you go to my Instagram, for sure, do not open it at work.
Yes.
Oh, we'll be in Miami the 15th through the 21st.
We'll be doing some.
Yeah, we're raising money for animals.
Project Fashion Tales.
We're doing that in Miami on the 20th.
Babes and Toyland Charity.
We have a bunch of influencers coming together to raise money for animal rescue in South Beach.
And we'll be on Value Attainment 17th and 18th and all kinds of places.
And then, yeah, as far as this book goes, guys.
Amazon, go get it.
I just want to say, Rolo, I read your book after a difficult breakup.
I'd sort of been aware of some of this stuff in the space a little bit, but your book was a major kind of shift in how I started viewing things.
It helped me out majorly.
So thank you, man.
Oh yeah.
And wholesome, wholesome moment on the whatever podcast.
But guys, definitely check out his book.
It's available in audiobook format, PDF, digital.
Is there a hardback version?
Not yet, but there will be by October because the 10th anniversary edition will be out in October and there will be a hardback for it.
Guys, you will not know how to proceed in life if you do not read the rational mail.
So thank you to all our chat mods.
Thank you to Chaz.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, Chaz.
I thought I forgot.
Whatever.
Okay.
Any women who want to be on the show, DM at, actually, excuse me, our DMs on whatever are broken.
DM BD underscore Atlas.
That's my Instagram, just while our Instagram DMs are broken.
We'll be live again Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
Justin will be joining us again for that show, right?
You'll be joining us.
We're going to have a very solid panel for that show, too.
So be sure to tune to that.
That's Tuesday, 7 p.m. Pacific.
Justin will be joining us.
Anyways, thank you guys again for tuning in.
We will see you next time.
Have a good night, guys.
Good night.
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