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March 9, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dating Talk #61

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Without further ado, after that rather long-winded and butchered introduction, I'm going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So, please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
Go ahead.
My name is Kiko.
I'm 23.
I'm a bartender, and I go to UCSB studying sociology and education.
I'm Fiona, I'm 22.
I'm unemployed.
And I'm a writer.
Yeah, I thought you were wrong.
And I don't have a real job.
Yeah, you're in Hollywood, right?
Trying to be a writer.
Okay.
I'm Sam.
I'm 19, and I'm a student at SBCC.
What do you study?
Film.
Film, okay.
I'm Tatum.
I'm 18.
I go to CC, and I'm doing general ed.
I'm Margarita.
I have a rock band, and I'm 33.
What's the name of your band?
It's called Edge of Paradise.
Okay, very cool.
Thank you.
I'm Victoria.
I'm 20.
I study in Minerva University in San Francisco.
I studied business finance.
All right.
And I'm Michael.
I'm 32.
I'm a genocidal maniac, according to the newspapers.
But yeah, in my real life, I host a podcast and write books.
Did you bring the books, by the way?
Oh, by chance.
Ben?
The chocolate, by the way, is there.
We sold something like 20 tons of chocolate.
Wow, that's not easy.
We have a single drop.
He's also a broken.
Did we get a signed copy of a book?
Yeah, I want one.
Mr. Davies, can you go to Barnes Noble or something and get us?
Wait, right now.
Right now.
We came here totally empty-handed, and that's so long.
It's all good.
So three of us.
Well, Michael, you kind of undersell yourself a little bit because you're also an actor.
Well, I think you mentioned author, but you're also a rap critic and a music critic.
That's true.
I'm known for my spicy hip-hop takes.
So if you guys have any questions about popular music or like Zoom or culture or anything, I'm pretty much an actor.
He's an expert.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
And are you able to disclose your alma mater?
Alma Matt.
Well, I guess I could.
I graduated from Yale, but I think now Yale is going to sue me if I claim that.
I think they're going to basically, you know, deprive me of my diploma, certainly by the end of this podcast.
Okay.
All right.
So.
So we'll see how spicy is.
You went to Yale, but you didn't go to Yale.
Yeah.
Okay.
I say I went to Yale.
I think they would deny that entirely.
Got it.
Got it.
Okay.
So we're going to go around the table once more.
Current relationship status.
So single, situationship, relationship, and longest relationship.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I have a boyfriend, and my longest relationship was like two and a half years.
I'm single.
My longest relationship was like a year and a half in college.
Okay.
I'm single, and my longest relationship was about two years.
I'm single, and I'm still single.
I'm engaged, and my longest has been about 10 years.
Victoria, before you go, can I have you scoot the microphone that way?
You?
Can I have you scoot the microphone that way?
Yeah, there you go.
And then Tatara.
Margarita.
This is Margarita.
No, I said before, Victoria, over here.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And Tatum, can you pull your microphone a little bit closer to you?
Also, we should have done this before the show.
Eric, can you grab a seat booster for Sam here?
Yeah.
Because Sam is, what, you're 5'4?
Yeah, I'm average height.
The microphone's kind of blocking you a little bit.
So Victoria.
I'm single, and I've never been in an official relationship, so.
You said your longest relationship was how long?
It was like, I was seeing the guy for three months, but it was not like an official relationship.
Okay.
And Michael?
I'm married, and I met my wife when we were 10 years old.
But it's a complicated history because she had a crush on me in the eighth grade, but I was dating the lead of the middle school play.
And then I had a crush on her in ninth grade, but she was dating an upperclassman, which was very scandalous, I thought.
And then we dated in high school, split for college, got together at the end of college.
Now we're married and have two children.
Wow.
That was an enthusiastic wow there.
This doesn't seem like a really pro-marriage crowd from that reaction.
Wait, is that like 100% true?
Yeah.
Yeah, I wouldn't lie.
Oh, it's, I don't know.
I thought you were being sarcastic.
No, that's real.
That's real.
That was a really good idea.
That is, let's go.
No, that's very, like, romantic.
Sorry.
I thought you were being like a jokester and just fucking what to do.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's real.
That can happen.
That's what I'm saying.
Okay, actually, I don't know what's real.
I feel in love again.
Wait, you're used to being lied to.
Can you go into that a little bit?
Oh, no, just a lot of people like to lie, so I don't know what to trust and what to do.
That's true.
But are you talking in a romantic context?
A lot of people lie to you?
No, just like in every sense.
I feel like people lie a lot, so it's hard to tell.
Like you go to the grocery store, everybody is lying to you.
Majority.
What?
They're like, there's no eggs in.
And then like, there's air in the back.
I know they're there, so they're lying.
That happens to me at Trader Joe's.
I asked for the Persian cucumbers and they don't check.
They're like, yeah, avocados, though.
They say they do, but they don't.
They never, never do.
Okay.
Great.
So we got everyone's relationship status.
So almost everyone here, with the exception of you and Michael, you guys are all returning.
Kiko, this is your, I think, fifth or sixth appearance.
You guys, this is your second.
Victoria, your third.
So just for you guys coming back now, has anything changed since your last appearance?
I believe that was about three weeks ago.
You guys were last on.
Any new love interests or?
I mean, there's always new love interests.
No, just kidding.
No, I haven't.
Like, I mean, there's some guys, but no, nothing new.
Some guys?
What do you mean?
Like, obviously there's people I see and I'm like, oh, wow, maybe there's a potential, but no, there's nothing.
Okay.
Nothing for me.
Last time you were on, you mentioned that there was one guy.
That I'm talking to.
Is that Dunzo?
No, we're still talking.
Oh, go ahead, Michael.
When you say you're talking.
You know, I'm a very old man.
I'm a millennial, so I don't really, I'm not talking about it.
I'm basically the boomer of Zoomers.
Talking means more than talking.
Like, in what sense?
More than speaking to one another across a table as we are now.
More than literally talking.
Yeah.
I mean, that's basically what we do is just talk and hang out.
Okay, so it's literally you're just in a way where you have affection for one another.
Yeah.
Okay.
But you're not dating.
No.
But you might date.
Sure, yeah.
Okay.
Are you guys hooking up?
No.
Oh, that's good.
That's very virtuous.
Stop the cap.
I'm not.
Right.
That's good.
I'm not lying.
We're not hooking up.
I think he's scared of you.
Lovely.
And you think, yeah, I agree with that.
And I think you think I'm lying, but I'm not.
I think these days, though, because how old are you?
Sorry.
I'm 19.
And he's your age?
Yeah, he is my age.
I feel like these days, like, younger guys, they're afraid to make the first move.
Yeah, it's true.
I can see that.
But I mean, if I wanted to make a move, I would make a move.
I don't.
So does he want to do more?
And you've said no?
You've pumped the brakes?
I mean, we've talked about it, but it's not like we're both enthusiastic for it.
I mean, I don't really care for that right now.
I just, it's not like.
To hook up?
Yeah, to hook up.
All right.
That's good.
That's good.
Man, that's awesome.
I was under the impression that now, because of like all of talking culture, that everyone just hooks up and it's all ambiguous and no one's ever officially dating and it's all kind of thing.
There's a lot of that.
There's a lot of people.
There is, you're just not doing it.
I just hate it.
Oh, yeah, that's great.
I think it's stupid.
Allegedly.
It is stupid.
I'm a hopeless semantic guy.
Get it through your brain.
I want romance, but I just, I'm busy with school and getting my stuff straight first.
Okay.
So everyone else said they were single, pretty much.
Well, except you.
So kind of in line with Michael's question, what does talking or being single actually mean?
So you said you were single, so there's no guy in the picture.
No, single, I just mean I'm not like officially dating somebody.
Okay.
So, but you are seeing somebody.
Like dating around.
Yeah.
Can you kind of?
Okay, so since I've been on the podcast, I've gone on a couple dates.
Okay.
And then I have also been seeing some other people.
Can you be a bit more specific?
Like there is.
I am hooking up with a guy at the moment, but then I also have been going on other dates for people that might be a more better match long term.
So you're hooking up with just one guy?
So not multiple guys?
But he's like the backup because you're more interested in these other guys that you're going on.
It's not that I'm more interested, it's just that I feel like there's more of a relationship connection that could be there on the dates that I'm going on.
You know, it's more of like dinner dates that I could see like we have more in common in career and stuff like that.
Whereas this other guy, I'm just like a brief.
I'm just, he's not a booty call.
I'm just very attracted to him.
Maybe he'll listen to this conversation and step up his game.
I hope not.
Well, especially if he's the only guy that you're sort of seeing in this way, then he'll definitely know you're talking about him.
But so then why is he not long-term relationship potential?
Because I don't think he's ready for that.
He doesn't want it?
I don't think so.
And I don't, no, not with him.
You don't want it.
I mean, I do, I would like a relationship someway, but I know in my, like, I wouldn't want it with him.
Even though you're very attracted to him.
Yeah, but I just know he's at a point in his life where he's not ready for a relationship.
Like, he should be alone.
He has like inner work to do.
I probably have inner work to do too.
Can't you do that work though together?
Well, he did also get out of a relationship really fast.
$200.
Wow, thank you, Martin.
Was in that comment last pod you were on about the tummy acrobatics that destroyed your situationship.
I'm not sorry for ruining you forever.
Okay, hey, Martin.
By the way, that is Marquise Martin, a Mensa member.
We call him Mensa Martin.
And he also owns about a dozen Quiznos, Sam, on the East Coast.
Did you say you own something else?
I think that was a different donator.
Mike Davis owns the Burger Kings.
I forgot.
I think Cheeks owns the Arby's.
And Martin owns the Quiznos.
It was Cheeks.
Cheeks owned.
Cheeks.
Martin is the Quiznos guy who's okay He's going to single-handedly re-spark that franchise.
I didn't know it still existed.
Is it gone?
Maybe he's the whole doubt.
Yeah, he's the last guy.
Quiznos is a great sandwich app.
I hope he sucks.
In Texas, they have him a lot, I believe.
So, Martin, by the way, thank you so much for that big $200 TTS.
Thank you, man.
Tatum, while your sister here was telling us the story, you were kind of smiling or making a face.
So do you have some secrets you want to reveal?
No secrets.
I don't share my sister's secrets.
So you are confirming, though, that secrets exist.
In general.
In general.
Yeah, secrets.
You don't know everything about us, Brian.
Sadly, unfortunately, I'm hoping to expand my understanding.
So can you just spill the beans?
What were you smiling about?
No, it's just funny.
Okay.
Because you guys don't know him, and I know him.
So what do you think about him?
She's right.
He's not a boyfriend.
Yeah, he's not boyfriend material.
But he's just a disaster.
He's like a mess.
No, he's nice.
Is he hot?
In my opinion.
He's a nice one.
No.
What makes him not a boyfriend?
He's attractive.
I can see why she thinks he's attractive.
She just has high standards.
She has a different type.
We've already been through that.
I said this already.
High standards.
We need to talk about the high standards again.
He's attractive, just not if you have high standards.
That seems really mean to me.
I know.
He's just a different type.
Well, what is a high standard here?
Like, what is a definition of high standards?
For me, just generally.
Yeah, like, someone talks about it.
Like, looks.
Oh, so he's not attractive enough, but attractive enough to sleep with.
I mean, I think.
We just have different types.
We have all the different types.
All of us have different types.
I mean, I'm more general.
Yeah.
Your type is general.
Yeah, like either way.
I feel like I could like people from different areas.
From different areas.
So one person from Idaho, another person from San Diego.
Yeah.
So then for you two, you guys have very specific types?
They did.
What are the specific types that you guys have?
Tim, do you want to say it?
I feel like hers would be more not like skater boys, but like probably someone who's very tall.
Scary boys.
Oh, skater boys.
Someone who's very tall, can dress well.
Skater boys.
Like darker hair.
Darker hair.
Definitely not blondes.
What's wrong with blondes?
I don't know.
She just doesn't.
There's nothing wrong with them.
I just like have never really found myself attracted to a blonde.
And for her, she's probably more beachy.
Wait, are you blonde?
I mean, okay.
Nah, it's darker.
So skater boy, kind of.
Not like a skater boy.
It doesn't have to be, but like that kind of like look, I feel like.
Like a bad boy type of look.
Yeah, but not like the conventional like bad boy.
Like did she really picky?
Yeah, I don't even know what your type is, Tatum, honestly.
I don't either, you guys.
I'm trying to figure it out.
Yeah.
I just feel like she's very like certain people.
I don't know how to explain that.
He's got to be really well dressed, but also a bad boy, but not like a bad boy, bad boy.
Yeah.
He's can't be blonde and he's got to be tall.
He's got to skate, but not be a skater.
Okay, I got it.
He doesn't have to skate.
Does anyone at Daily Wire, like one of the hosts, do any of them have blonde hair?
No.
Shapiro, no?
No, we're certainly not.
Walsh, no.
No.
She's got a nice beard, though.
No, Candace's husband is very blonde.
He's married.
He's taken.
He's married, unfortunately.
She likes taking men.
That's her type.
No, that is why.
She likes taking women.
But single men.
Yes.
Okay.
Is there a term for that?
Is that like one of the new homewrecker, maybe?
Oh, I am a homewrecker.
She is a homewrecker.
I homewrecked a relationship in high school.
Oh, good times.
She didn't mean to.
Intentionally?
No, okay.
It wasn't a huge.
No, it was an accident.
And it was a girl.
So that's why I said she likes taking women.
She made out with a girl and the boyfriend broke up with the girl.
In high school?
Yeah.
It was crazy.
It goes down in high school.
Well, in high school, that's not a big deal.
No, my best friend.
It never happens ever.
He was not happy with it at all.
So what about your specific type?
Surfer boys for the most part.
She probably would take blondes.
I will take blondes.
Hair color does not matter to me.
So, oh, you don't like blondes.
I got it mixed up.
No, no, she doesn't like blondes.
Oh.
So, dark hair?
Yeah.
Kind of edgy, edgy eyes.
I just usually like to find what you're doing.
Eric, can you pull up a photo of Ben Shapiro?
Oh, sure.
Don't you know who Ben Shapiro is?
He's a surfer.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a well-known surfer.
Yeah.
He's from LA.
He's a stoner, right?
Totally.
I'm like, I'm not a van.
Wait, no, but he.
Hold on.
Okay, no.
Well, he's taken.
Oh.
But if he wasn't, would you find him attractive?
Or whatever.
Sounds like a threat.
Or a process.
That's him.
Is he babe status?
No.
Whoa, Tatum.
I've been trying to tell him that for years.
I was like, Ben, you're not babe status.
Jesus.
So am I. Here we go.
Ukraine just going wow.
Okay.
He's off Italian showing up to the podcast.
Goodness gracious.
Okay, so your type of surfer boy.
For the most part.
Generally.
Generally, surfer boy.
Okay.
Is what I tend to go for.
So she has high standards.
You have normal standards.
I feel like she always has to.
I think we need a seat booster for Tatum, too, by the way.
I feel like.
No, she just has poster checks.
We'll do poster checks.
I don't think she has high standards.
I think just Tatum.
No, you do have high standards.
Sorry.
That's what I meant to say.
But it's just not as high as Tatum.
I feel like Tatum's even more picky.
I see.
Okay.
So you said that there's a guy you're hooking up with, but while you're doing that, you are kind of exploring other options.
You're going on dates with other guys.
So how long have you been seeing this one guy that you're just hooking up with?
Well, I've known him for like a couple years, but we started talking in, or we saw each other again New Year's of this New Year.
So you reconnected.
Yes.
So if you don't want to date him long term and you don't think he's the right boyfriend material and you want to see these other guys, why would you waste your time seeing him?
I don't think it's wasting my time because it's like, okay, so he lives in Santa Barbara.
I live in LA.
When I come up to see my family, I see him at points.
But if it's not going to go anywhere, why wouldn't you spend the time with some other guy?
You go on another dinner date or something.
I don't need a boyfriend in Santa Barbara.
I probably should date someone in LA.
But it's fun.
I'm sorry.
I kind of see him for the sex.
Okay.
Do women really do that?
I understand why men do that because men are just constantly thinking about sex, especially when they're very young.
But like, do women really think that way?
I know feminism pretends that women think about sex the same way that men do, but that's not real, right?
I feel like they do.
I think they do.
I don't think they get the same great orgasm that these guys are getting from casual sex, that's for sure.
But I do think women think about sex.
Yeah, for sure.
I definitely feel like women think about sex.
At least we do.
I know.
But you're admitting that the experience of it is totally different for men and women.
Yeah, yeah.
But you're saying that the drive.
I mean, no, actually, once you get comfortable with someone, like once you're sleeping with them enough, I think the sex gets a lot better.
A lot better.
Which is why I'm seeing this guy where the sex is good because we've been seeing each other, but I, you know, I'm like dating other people.
But don't you think the other guys that you're dating might frown upon it if you're sleeping with a different guy?
No, because they're sleeping with other people too, probably.
Do you like it that they're sleeping with other people too?
I mean, I feel like don't you want your needs met?
You've stumped me.
Don't you want to fulfill your needs with one person to whom you're attracted?
But I haven't been attracted enough to any of the dates I've been on yet.
Do you think the fact that you're sleeping with this guy consistently might have something to do with that?
No.
It's a lie.
I tend to agree with you.
Yeah.
I think that's a lie.
I think that's a good idea.
I wouldn't say I'm thinking about him while I'm with them.
Because your behavior is always going to color.
Any behavior that you're habitually engaging in is always going to color the way that you view the world.
And so if you're occupying your mind space and your body and all these, as you're saying, really powerful sensual emotions with some dude, that's obviously going to color the way you think about romance and love with any other guy you're going on a date on.
And maybe that's why you're not so interested in the other guys.
How come guys can do that so easily, though?
Like, I feel like I know guys can go and fuck women and find this amazing, intimate experience, but then they can actually find a girl who they respect and like and then date them.
So how come it's different for men and women?
Men can come.
You can compartmentalize a little bit better that way, and men can treat sex as purely physical a little bit better.
But even for men, even for men, it's somewhat difficult.
You can't actually separate them.
Yeah, see, I feel like it would be like, go both.
I don't know.
Have you met my dad?
Oh, yeah, true.
Yeah, he can't.
Really?
Yeah, he can.
He really can't.
That's unfortunate to hear.
Should he come on the podcast?
Probably.
He wanted to come on tonight.
Oh, no way.
Oh, was that why you guys were asking if a guy could tell a different guy friend?
Okay.
But no, he shouldn't come on.
No, no, no.
No, but her dad would be fun to be on the podcast.
Doesn't he, like, go to the Philippine?
What was the story you guys on?
Oh, Thailand.
He's a passport bro.
He's a passport bro.
Yeah, except he's just going there to fuck bitches.
Yeah, he's not going to marry them.
He's just going to fuck.
Okay.
Isn't he involved with like MMA or something?
Yeah.
No, didn't you say he was going to boycott?
No, he used to box.
Oh, he used to be a boxer.
Okay, I see.
Okay.
But that's why he would go to Thailand is to train or whatever.
No, just to purely just to see the sites.
AKA the women.
And the beaches.
And the beaches.
Okay.
Wait, so really quick just on this thing.
So do the guys that you're going on dates with, do they know that you're hooking up with someone else or do you just kind of, it's not something you.
I mean, we don't really talk about that.
I feel like we get to know each other in other ways.
And you said you've been on a few dates.
How many dates have you in the past month or something?
Since last podcast.
Just two.
Oh, just two?
Okay.
One.
Well, hasn't it only been two weeks?
It was Valentine's Day.
I think.
So it's been three weeks, yeah.
So two.
Only two?
Two, I think.
Three, four?
I think only two.
Okay.
And then Sam, so you're seeing one guy right now.
It sounds a bit more serious, but you haven't.
You're not boyfriend, girlfriend.
You guys haven't hooked up or anything.
Are you also going on dates with other people?
You're just seeing him, but it's not official yet, so to speak.
Yeah.
Tatum, what about you?
I'm not going on dates, no?
Do you have a guy you occasionally see?
A friends with benefits?
A hookup buddy?
No?
No.
Nothing?
Nope.
Nope.
I'm strictly focusing on my school.
Strictly focusing on school.
That's great.
And like partying.
And life and partying.
Yeah.
Isn't there a temptation when you go out to party?
So this is, we're two blocks away from UCSB.
We're here in Isla Vista, number one party school.
Well, frequently ranked the number one party school in the U.S. Isla Vista, really big party, party scene.
You guys go out to Ivy to party?
Or do you?
Yeah, occasionally.
Occasionally.
How frequently would you guys say you go out and party?
I feel like it depends on the season.
Yeah, in the winter, not as much.
Sam, can I have you just scoot your mic a little closer towards you to the edge of the table?
Perfect.
It's the end of the season.
It depends on the season.
Oh, it depends on the season.
Like if it's winter, I feel like I would have to be out that much.
But during the summer, I probably would be out there a lot.
Okay.
How frequently would you guys party during the summer?
Like multiple times a week.
A lot.
Three, four times a week?
Like three times a week.
Four.
Three, four times a week.
For her.
I'm not that.
I can't do it.
Okay.
Got it.
Okay.
I get tired out.
Okay.
So when's the last, have you, when's the last time you've been on a date?
Or my God, PTSD.
I'm not talking about it, though.
You can't just put that out there on that.
Oh, God.
Is it related to SA?
No.
No.
Oh, okay.
No.
Yeah, talk about it.
No, it's not that.
It's funny.
PTSD, like he just...
It just, like...
Ugh.
She sees him around campus.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, what's the details?
What's the data?
It was like an awkward experience.
Yeah, it was just awkward.
I went to this guy's house that I started DMing, and I never met him in person before.
And like, the first thing we decided to do was smoke.
And I love to smoke, but I can't, like, I didn't.
Crack.
Marijuana.
Oh, okay.
My bad.
Yeah, sorry.
Sorry.
Where did you meet him really quick?
Through Instagram.
Instagram.
You DM'd him?
No, he DM'd me.
He DM'd you?
Yeah, and we like texted for a little.
And then we stopped.
And then he hit me up again, like this past fall.
And he was like, we should smoke soon.
And I was like, yeah.
I don't know why I said that.
I can't smoke in front of people I don't know.
And we decided to do it at his house, which that was also just weird.
It was a weird experience altogether.
I don't like being high in front of like newcomers.
So.
Wasn't he like, you can sit on the shoes?
He was just being the classic.
The classic, but why are you all the way over there?
Come sit on the bed.
It's more comfortable.
You see my red LED lights?
Yeah.
Yeah, but I also was getting just like major icks because I was high.
And so did you not have the major icks before you guys smoked?
I literally like met him at his house.
Like I had never like talked to or met or seen this dude in person.
You just went straight to his house.
Yeah, she just went straight to his house.
No, we met on campus and we like met in the parking lot and then he's like, okay, here's my here's my address.
Like just meet me there.
Just a night and shiny armor or something.
And I'm sorry where you end up on the news the next day.
Yeah, I know.
Dude, that sounds so bad.
I'm sorry.
Is there more to this?
No, there really isn't.
It was just like, I ghosted him after that.
And he just texted me a couple times, like, what did I do?
What should he have done differently?
So he slides into your DMs.
Like, how do you think that's a good idea?
Okay, we just shouldn't have, because he's like, let's smoke at my house.
And I don't know why I agreed to that, but like, that should not have been my first interaction with the dude.
Like, first of all, I should have been sober.
And second of all, like, I don't feel like I should have met him at his house.
Yeah.
Like, a stranger.
I'd never met this fool before.
Right.
Yeah, you guys should have met at a restaurant.
Yeah.
I don't know what was going through my head.
And then, but he texts me that on Instagram and I opened it and I totally forgot that there's like red receipts.
I was just like, LOL.
And I like put my phone aside.
And he was like, wow, I see how it is.
It wasn't nice knowing you.
That's so rude.
Yeah.
For me?
No, it's so rude for him to say that to you.
It wasn't nice to know.
I kept saying that.
I ghosted and responded to him.
Yeah, yeah.
And he gave her the icks.
Everything he did was very unchivalrous.
And I also think that sometimes when you do DM them back and you try to be platonically nice, they can take it the wrong way.
So you get yourself in more of a fuffle of like, oh, I don't want to string them long, but like maybe we could be friends, but they probably don't want that.
Yeah.
And he like invited me over multiple times like after that.
And like right after I left.
And I was like, oh, no.
He talked to me like 15 minutes after I left.
Like, you should come back.
Yo, turn that car around.
But I would see him on campus all the time.
And it would like literally shoot my heart rate up.
And I don't know why.
Awkward.
What kind of a guy is he, though?
Is he a normal guy on the sites?
I can't discuss that.
I can't discuss that.
You can't discuss the looks.
Just probably not your like conventional guy.
Yeah, you know.
Did he have a mullet?
No.
But he's antisocial, I'd say.
So just your type?
Yeah, but I do like more social guys.
Okay, so too anti-social.
Too anti-social.
I guess very picky.
Very picky.
I'm sorry, guys.
Apology accepted.
Last question before we move on to some of our main topics, and we do need to get a couple super chats here.
Has anyone here had a hoe phase, Kiko?
I wasn't making assumptions, I was just asking if you had.
I mean, I feel like most people have their ho phase.
It just depends on like if you mean ho in retrospect to my usual, or like ho as in like would, for like the normal of everybody, because I would.
If compared to normal terms no, I wouldn't consider it a hoe phase, but like it was out of my norm.
So did you smoke before the show?
No, I'm like getting over a cold okay, do I sound raspy a little bit?
I wasn't sure what that.
No, it's totally fine.
I already took antibiotics though, so I'm good.
Okay, really quick, just on your thing.
So you you're, are you still bartending?
Yeah okay, you said some of your bartending friends, they have, they've had major hoe phases.
I wouldn't really call it a phase.
If it's a lifestyle oh, it's.
There's a continuity.
Yeah, I mean, I don't mean just like my bartending friends, I mean all the other ones.
I mean no no, I just mean like people I've met since bartending.
Okay, that makes sense.
So what I guess for the lifestyle?
You know what?
How much of a body count are we talking here?
When we're talking like, can you tell us like the highest, maybe the top three you've heard from from some girls?
I couldn't tell you the top three for the highest I've ever heard from a girl.
It was like 340 something.
What 340 something killed that many people.
Is that with body count partners, partners?
Because I'm like actually not a prude and I you know, I'm from New York and I'm like I, that's the highest I've ever heard is like a hundred and I thought that was the craziest number I've heard, way higher too, than what?
Than like 340.
I've heard people like I'm just saying a hundred's the highest you've heard yeah, and I thought that was crazy.
It is crazy, but I feel like I've heard, but have you heard it from guys or girls?
Because guys always inflate their number and women always oppressive, you're right, you're right, you're right, because guys, oh yeah, probably about 10,000.
Genghis Khan didn't sleep with 10,000 women.
That's not real 340, I would think it was.
It was around 340, I think it was like 346, if I remember exactly what about some other high numbers, specific that?
No I, literally ever since then, I can't even remember anything else.
That's all I can remember from your other friends.
Yeah, that's everything else after that.
And 100 plus yeah, it's a few of those, A few hundred plus.
Okay.
Who has that much time?
340.
I know, I know.
I think it's people because it's like if they're just a promiscuous person, they've probably been like this since they were like 16.
Most of these people are like 30 that I'm saying.
That's 12 years.
That's a lot of time to do some damage if you really think about it.
Especially if you've never been in a long-term relationship, so you have time to just keep going at it.
That is time to collect some cards.
Because I sometimes think back in my, I've had very brief single days, and I think, oh, man, I was an atheist.
I was a total derelict.
And I thought, oh, wow, that was really crazy.
But then you think, well, what if people just had that period of time times 10?
Right.
And which a lot of people do.
Right.
Wow.
So ho phase?
I mean, what do you consider a ho phase?
Like, what's your definition of a ho phase?
Well, what's your sense of it?
I would say going out, getting hammered a lot, and screwing a lot of dudes.
Seems like a fair definition.
I kind of the same thing.
Like, I would consider what I had at one point as a ho phase, but I don't think the average person would consider that a full-blown ho phase.
But like to each their own, I guess, you know.
Okay.
Sam, what about you?
I didn't really have a ho phase, but I had a player phase where I just like knocked out a whole friend group and like killed all their.
I was like going through it and I like played a whole friend group on accident.
What's the distinction between a ho phase and a player phase?
Because I didn't like do anything with them.
I just talked, like talked to them and texted them and played the field and then like one by one like made them like me.
Just for fun.
So it's just for ego?
No, it wasn't for ego.
I actually like had crushes on these people and then like I like pick realized like I think I picked the wrong one.
I actually like that one more.
And then it happened.
It only was three of them, but the whole friend group didn't end up liking me.
Indecisiveness.
Yeah, it was purely indecisive.
When I was in college.
I ended up dating one of them for two years.
So I really was trying to be a player player.
I just was indecisive.
They called that a sweet complete when I was in college was every single guy in the suite.
That's sweet complete.
Tatum, what about you?
No, I haven't had a ho phase.
No ho phase?
Maybe not yet.
Maybe in the future.
In the works?
Maybe, yeah.
You're going to have to lower your standards for that.
Well, maybe they will lower.
Or you'll just have a string of skater boys.
Hot dudes.
Yeah.
I hear a train coming.
At first, I was thinking your high standards were a bad thing because it would be very hard to meet a guy.
But maybe that's a great thing because you've avoided the ho phase.
Because you have very high standards, even though they're oddly specific.
Okay, that's good.
Actually, kind of on that topic, well, I'll let the table finish.
Have you ever had a ho phase?
No, it takes a lot for me to, I guess, like someone.
Though I don't think I know.
Okay.
No.
Michael, have you ever had a ho phase?
A lady doesn't tell, Brian.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, I sort of alluded to it.
You know, I was a derelict atheist.
I went to Yale, and Yale's a pretty hard.
Yale's a weird campus, man.
Yale is known for weird secret society rituals and getting naked.
That's basically, I mean, Yale, they would do all this crazy stuff.
I think back on it now.
They would have sex week.
Every two years, they would bring in porn stars to give lectures.
Yeah.
Good times.
Yeah, and it's all these.
I was kind of wondering.
There were porn stars back in your day?
You know, actually, back in the 19th century.
It was 1878.
It was the first porn star ever.
Oh, awesome.
Yeah, and yeah, old Abraham.
Yeah, he wasn't very beautiful.
On the first camera?
Yeah, he was.
Yeah, yeah.
I wondered, though, when I got to Yale, I thought, why are all of these people so promiscuous?
Like, why is everyone you wouldn't necessarily expect that?
And I realized, if you think about the people who you might have known in high school who went to Yale were probably fairly nerdy, fairly studious, maybe didn't go out that much, probably didn't go to a ton of parties, you know.
And so they were just these pent-up balls of lust and gluttony and drunkenness.
And then they just explode.
And it's, yeah.
Well, they say when you have really strict parenting as a high schooler where you're not allowed to go out a lot, once you hit college and you have no rules, they kind of go off the walls and like the partying, the drinking, and all that.
Yeah, I had roommates like that.
I went to NYU and my roommates, man, my dad was like, oh, you have really nice roommates.
They must have had great parents.
Wow.
By the way, I'm getting reports that we have almost 6,000 live viewers in the chat.
This is a record for whatever.
So the chat is on fire.
I had to boost, unfortunately, the time between chat messages.
But yeah, guys, thank you so much for tuning in.
We're about to get into some of our more spicy questions here.
One question on your high standards.
So is there just like an absurd, ridiculous deal breaker you have?
Like that in terms of your high standards, like if a dude he's got like weird knees or something, just some like random, totally unimportant thing that's a deal breaker for you.
Slaughter disease, yeah.
Okay, honestly, like this might sound really shallow, but a lot of the high standards like come from the looks.
Like the looks, people's looks are the first thing I look at, and then like past that, it's like personality and like whatever else.
So if it had to do something with their like their looks that like stood out, is that what you mean?
Yeah, like maybe they have two different colored socks or something like that.
Weird nipples.
Weird nipples.
I've seen that and I'm like, no.
Weird nipples.
Weird nipple.
And you're like, no.
Yeah.
That's like a deal breaker for you.
I feel like for guys it's much easier because guys they can be very attractive and not your like stereotypical attractive, but you know.
I agree with you.
Yeah, I do get all social attacks.
Sometimes you just are attracted to someone and you don't know why, but you're attracted to them.
And everyone else is like, what?
And you're like, but they have them.
You say, I find this guy so attractive.
He's got a great job.
He's, you know, really got great family and drives a fast car, but his nipples are just unfortunately too weird.
So there it goes.
Yeah.
That happens.
Out with the old.
Let's go.
All right.
We're going to do a couple chats here.
So, guys, if you want, check out the description for all Super Chat and donation triggers if you want it to be read.
TTS, we had to boost it to 200 just to preserve the flow of the show.
We have Stiffler here.
You know what?
We'll come back to that one from Stiffler.
M1 Garand asks, Would any of the girls date a guy who is pro-gun and owns a firearm?
Sure.
Yes.
For sure.
Let's just go one by one here.
Go ahead.
Yes.
Yes.
I'm with one that owns it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
All right.
I bet they didn't see that one coming.
Would you all consider yourself to be conservative or right-wing?
And is that why you would date a guy who's believe?
I mean, we have guns.
I don't think the gun issue has to be on either side.
I don't think you have to be a conservative to be pro-gun.
Yeah.
Not saying what my political stance is.
That's all I'm saying.
I have heard that there are definitely people who are on the left who are in favor of gun ownership and gun rights.
I have heard that, but I think amongst, for example, Democrats, if we kind of differentiate Democrats and people who are left-leaning, Democrats typically are not so much in favor of, I think.
Yeah, because I was just sort of wondering if you happen to be more left-wing, if you find yourself attracted to someone who has all these stereotypically right-wing characteristics like gun ownership or whatever.
I feel like I'm not typically attracted to someone who has right-wing ideals, but I wouldn't mind a gun.
That's not something that's going to make me be like, no.
I feel like these days you have to, I mean, if you have a family, you've got to protect someone.
You have to be responsible very well.
I'm more left-leaning.
I wouldn't consider myself a Democrat.
But I usually am more attracted to more right-wing people, if anything.
What do you think that is?
Good question.
I don't know.
I've never really thought about it.
We have time.
Wonderful.
Can I come back?
Can I start with that?
Because I would have guessed that.
I would guess most women, even if they say I'm liberal or I'm left-wing, ultimately, especially if you're thinking for a guy more long-term, but even in the short term, you're probably not attracted to some guy who's like wearing dresses or is super, like, makes you pay the check or is kind of, you know, like a soy boy basically.
Soy boy.
Yeah.
I wouldn't say all that.
I see.
I could see where you are going with that, though, and why people who believe the same things as you would see that.
It's just for me, since I said I am left-leaning, not fully a Democrat, I find myself, yeah, not fully agreeing with a lot of things that a lot of like full Democrats believe.
Whereas I don't always believe things that full conservatives believe, but will find a middle ground easier than I will with the really, really Democratical people.
Just say you don't like soy boys.
Or maybe you do.
I don't know.
I mean, I really couldn't say that since I've dated girls.
So it's like, that's like.
And also I feel like feminine men can be very attractive, like very attractive.
And I think men that a lot of people who are younger.
The younger generation of the people.
I was very upset by your attention.
I was very upset by your state.
Feminine men.
No, I feel like a lot of the guys that girls nowadays find are attractive are very feminine.
What do you mean by that?
Like look at Harry Styles.
I feel like he's a very feminine.
Well, he has a lot of status, too.
But I still feel like, I mean, personally, he doesn't do it for me, but I know a lot of girls who do like him.
Harry Styles says, Timothy, feminine-looking.
Yeah.
But just because they're wearing dresses doesn't make what makes them feminine.
I like that the dress thing.
But also the soy boy.
But like Timothy Shinny, like he seems very, he doesn't seem like super like, you know, gym rap, masculine, like big, big guy.
No, they're very like skinny, scrawny, like slender men.
Like I feel like.
Feminine type features.
Yes.
And they're very like soft.
They come off soft, not like someone who's very strong and aggressive.
And I feel like a lot of times women find that attractive.
I think younger women tend to find more feminine men a bit more attractive.
But I think as women start to get older, they do start leaning more and more towards more, like more masculine men.
Or it could just be like a generational thing.
That's true.
I think it could be just like the way that our generation is versus other generations.
Or a regional thing, too.
Yeah.
Well, I also think there's a component of social proof, too, because if all the other women find him attractive, it's almost this, if the other girls find him attractive, oh, well, other women will find him attractive too.
So really quick on the women.
Really quick on the women finding feminine men more attractive.
And Michael, maybe you've heard of this.
I've heard that women who take birth control tend to, and maybe it's something with how the hormones are changing them, tend to find men with more feminine characteristics attractive when they're on birth control.
I would believe that because I'm now convinced birth control just poison.
I think it changes your brain.
Oh, it does.
It does.
Have you sort of experienced this?
Or this is stories you've heard from people?
No, I think a lot.
I've been on multiple different types of birth control, and I feel like they've all affected me differently in different ways.
And I feel like birth control shouldn't affect you in your brain.
Because they tell you, they say, oh, this isn't going to affect anything about your body.
It's like, well, I don't know.
I'm taking a bunch of hormones constantly.
Like, I don't know.
If I eat a cookie at lunch, it affects the way that I feel.
I think pumping myself with hormones will do that.
Yeah.
I feel like I'm like the rare case where, one, if anything, since having an IUD, I never took birth control before having an IUD in the end of 2020, middle of 2020.
Before that, if anything, I dated more women, more feminine men.
And ever since then, I've dated more masculine men.
And I also like hormonal IUD.
It is.
I don't know.
I just, I feel like I haven't seen my boobs got bigger at first, but they went back down.
That's like literally the only thing I noticed.
Yeah, my titties, I went from like a solid like B cup to like a solid like full D right away.
But then they went away.
They deflated again.
Do you think the reason that you started dating more masculine men once you got on birth control was just in your mind you had less of a fear of getting pregnant?
So you said, okay, now I'm not going to date women or whatever.
Damn, I never thought of that.
Huh.
You're like a psychiatrist.
I consider myself a love doctor.
A good one.
Michael is the new co-host of the show.
We've poached him from the Daily Wire.
You're asking all the questions.
Yeah.
So, okay, let's do a couple chats here.
So we have everyone seemed to be fine with a guy who is pro gun and owns firearms.
Oh, yeah.
Do you want to, we'll do the shout out the Twitch people really quick.
By the way, guys, if you have a Twitch account, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Give us a follow.
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Twitch.tv slash whatever.
Thank you guys.
All right.
So we have Richard Contini Jr. here.
Thank you for the 50, man.
Appreciate it.
By the way, does anyone want to be the designated super chat reader?
Who's got a good ditch?
I was reading something.
Women are not used to being forced to think.
What does that mean?
I'm not sure.
Does anyone have a good reading voice?
Tatum?
Here, how about you get this one?
I can't.
I'm just kind of a little sick right now.
Oh, okay.
I can't.
Kiko, here, how about Kiko?
Oh, sorry.
That one's getting all covered up.
My bad.
Kiko, you want to read this one?
These girls have no idea what's about to happen.
Michael, you're an awesome guy.
I love your daily show.
Well, thank you for saying that, Kiko.
I appreciate that.
Came from the heart.
She endorses your show, by the way.
That's great.
I'm going to put it in my hand.
Clip it and ship it.
All right, we have Rob CD.
Thank you for the 50, Rob.
Appreciate it.
Where can I get those old school Isla Vista posters?
Is Ivy Store still open?
Hail gotchas.
I assume you're talking about that couch photo that I use in the intro.
Yeah, I think it's available on Fine Art America.
I think you can get it there.
Thank you, Rob.
Appreciate it.
American Grizzly, thank you for the 75, man.
Appreciate it.
Love the show, Brian.
Longtime follower of Knowles and Daily Wire.
Love to see you're coming to Buffalo.
I'm already seeing protests starting best of luck.
Because I'm very intimidating.
You know, we were just talking about those like gym rat, very imposing dudes, and so it's like they know when I'm coming.
Oh, they can sense you.
They can.
It's my pheromone.
I think someone called you Channing Tatum.
People say it all the time.
Many people are talking about it.
Do you know any martial arts?
I actually, I did briefly train in what I called Krav NAGA at Jeremy Boring's house.
Oh, it's also known as Jiu-Jitsu.
And so I trained in that for a while, and it was awful.
It was horrible.
I'd wake up early, I'd have to like...
Jiu-jitsu is when you use more of your legs.
But this is jujitsu.
It's also known as Krav Maga.
And, you know, it's like very, you fight and kind of dirty.
Yeah, it was a hassle, man.
Sometimes fine.
I want to do that.
Do you want to do that?
I'm a lover, not a fighter.
I realize that.
I feel a little bit.
I'm there.
Are you more of a feminine man?
Am I a feminine?
Why would make you ask that?
Because you're like, I'm a lover and not a fighter.
No, I'm not afraid of it.
I'm like Lancelot in my own mind, at least.
I feel he does come off as a little feminine.
Yeah.
In a row.
Shots fired.
It's actually like a good energy.
It's a good energy.
It's a good feminine energy.
It's like a kind of manly feminine energy.
It's like nurturing.
Your actions would be masculine, but you would understand.
It's problematic.
Wow.
I don't think you come off feminine at all.
I just don't think you come off as toxic, like, masculine.
Which actually watches a lot of surprises too.
I think you're just a normal masculine.
I don't really see you coming off as feminine, but you're just not.
Yeah.
Wait, right.
Because he's a toxic.
Yeah, I feel like he's Satan right there.
I'm the toxic one.
Yeah, yeah.
The toxic masculinity is like a toxic or you're Kevin.
There's no just normal masculine anymore.
You're the toxic feminine.
I think actually you raise a great point.
Because when you see people bring up toxic masculinity, a lot of times people bring it up because they just hate masculinity.
So they say, you know, all masculinity is toxic.
But there is a toxic kind of masculinity, right?
There is a way where men who basically have no good role models just decide to perform to try to pretend they're Conan the Barbarian or something like that.
And it's very silly.
Just toxic stupidity.
Yeah.
It just always looks like you're overcompensating for something.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
So if, I mean, I sort of almost reject this concept of toxic masculinity because I feel like it needlessly genders behavior.
Because I have.
Am I toxically masculine?
No, but I feel like how do you really feel?
I feel like there definitely is toxic masculinity.
I don't think all masculinity is either good.
There is.
Go ahead and get some.
Yeah, I mean, some people told me that you kind of blame women a lot.
It's like you put a lot of- Oh, wow, okay, this is a therapy session.
That's a toxic masculinity where you kind of- I blame- What do I blame women?
Yeah, you blame women.
Like, you have this like- I don't blame women for my- It's like you tell their lie.
You kind of create this image that women are bat.
And you continuously put it out there for young men to be like, oh, I don't want to get married.
I will just date women for as long as I want.
Why not?
You don't want to get married?
No.
No, no.
No.
Why not?
Uh-oh.
All right.
Yeah, I'm going to go to the next one.
One, two, three, four.
All right.
1v7.
Okay.
Um, well, so I, I'm not opposed to necessarily having a life partner, but there, there are, there are certain, sorry, I'm sorry, Michael.
There are certain realities when it comes to marriage that, from the male perspective, make it seem risky.
Oh, only from the male perspective?
Because I can feel like from the female perspective.
How so?
I think you've never been in love.
I feel like risk factor, I feel like it goes both ways.
They're turning on me.
But to your point, Brian, you make a good amount of money.
The way the judicial system works, if a woman divorced you, she could take a bunch of your money, she could take your kids.
So there's a risk, but my question is: if you're already going to have a life partner, which sounds, I'm sorry to say, kind of gay, like it's not, it's not gendered, it's not traditional.
Thank you for saying that.
It's just so if you're going to do that anyway, but you want to protect against divorce, why not just marry a woman who's not going to get divorced?
Or get a prenup.
You know, the thing is.
Yeah, literally.
So you're saying, like, well, if you find a great woman that you know that's.
No, not even just that.
I'm saying, because you could find the most wonderful woman in the world, and then I don't know, someday something goes off in her brain and she totally turns on you.
But what if you create the structures such that you're not going to get divorced?
I'll give you an example.
I'm Catholic.
My wife and I cannot get divorced.
She could murder me.
That would be her way out of the marriage.
But we can, it is not possible for us to get divorced.
Now, if you, let's say you're not Catholic yet, and maybe you don't, you know, you haven't worked through these things.
Maybe.
Wait, did you say yet?
We just talked.
I'm saying, what if before you get married, you sign a prenup?
But not the kind of prenup now, not the kind of prenup where you say, okay, in case we get divorced, you know, we get 50-50.
What if you sign a prenup that says, if you divorce-I will kill you.
Yeah, I'll kill you.
Whoever brings the divorce forfeits everything.
That's the Knowles prenup.
And then you're safe.
She's not going to take your kids, she's not going to take your money.
And you get to be married and not have a life partner.
Sure.
I mean, I'd love to bring on a family attorney to ask him questions about this.
But kind of what I've heard in my understanding when it comes to prenuptial agreements is that oftentimes they can be thrown out.
And I don't think prenups can apply to post-marriage.
So you can protect your assets that you've acquired pre-marriage.
I could be totally off base here, but I've heard prenups can get thrown out.
Someone could say, oh, I was assigned it under duress, blah, blah, blah.
It's unfair.
There's a specific term for it that's evading me right now.
But is that why you don't want to get married?
Because you're afraid of the divorce potentially?
Afraid of woman.
Why not just date another successful woman?
Trust issues, Brian.
It sounds like you have trust issues.
Piles, Michael, and the girls here.
I'm intervening with you, Brian.
Like if you dated another successful woman, wouldn't that fear kind of disappear?
Because then, if anything, it's like, you know, she can be scared of your woman.
What if she's more successful than you or something?
What if she's making more money than you are?
Yeah.
Like, why are we assuming that you're the breadwinner?
You want a wife, right?
I mean, you want to note.
Apparently not.
Maybe he wants to be a woman.
He wants a life partner, Mike.
He wants a life partner.
Yeah, well, you're right.
Okay, the dog does sound like that.
You know what's big now?
Virtual girlfriends, virtual wives.
It's a thing.
Or is a virtual wife.
I know that he wants a dog that speaks English.
But she can take all the things that aren't.
But it's like a thing in the future now.
You can have a virtue chicken AI, but it's your favorite.
Yeah, like Siri.
Why aren't you putting all your faith into us and we can figure it out for you?
Yeah, we'll figure out all your love.
I really want to get to the root of this problem.
Yeah.
I just, I don't see the benefits.
This is why I asked, don't you want a wife?
Of having a companion?
I can have a companion and not be married.
And I'm not a fan of the government, so I don't want the government involved in my love.
But if you love someone more than 10 years, you're going to be illegally.
It's a common law marriage anyway.
Well, that's only some states.
Not all states have common law marriage.
California.
We do.
I don't know how long.
No, California does not have common law marriage.
Yeah, we can do that.
My parents are by that.
No, not that.
I'm pretty sure California is not common law marriage.
That's the only reason why I also Google it.
I'll do common law marriage.
Legally married by the state, but they've never been, they haven't been dating since 2001.
So here, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and D.C.
Those are the only, according to this Sterling law.
Your very quick Google search.
You're in two seconds.
So yeah, I think it's a minority of states that have common law marriage.
But yes, that is a risk factor.
In those states, if you are cohabitating with somebody and you almost treat your relationship as if you're married, then you are basically, in the eyes of the law, you are married.
Luckily in California, which I don't know how much longer I'm going to stay here, I'm probably going to get canceled by proxy because Michael's on the show.
But just kidding.
Maybe kidding.
I don't know.
You probably are.
The franchise tax board is going to come and evict you, probably.
Probably.
Scary stuff.
So I don't have anything against for other people.
That's great.
I just, I've sort of looked at the numbers.
I've done the calculus.
And it just, to me, it seems like, here, I'll put the math here.
I've done the math.
You know, 50% of marriages end in divorce.
And the stats I've seen, 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
And so when I say it's bad for the man, the negative consequences of divorce typically tend to disproportionately impact men.
They can impact women, but I mean, I think 97% of, it's like 97% of alimony payments go from men to women.
So there are some concerns there financially, and then just you have the government involved, and then it can be quite contentious.
And then not only is there the consideration in terms of splitting your assets, but then you have lawyers involved.
And I don't have anything necessarily wrong, perhaps from a religious perspective with marriage, but when the state's involved, and I think we ought to perhaps rewrite marriage laws to perhaps incentivize men to get married again because you have no fault divorce.
Yeah.
And what's the other thing?
And then, you know, your wife could cheat on you and then take half your shit.
I think under certain circumstances, if you can prove it in a courtroom, that perhaps you shouldn't be on the hook for alimony if there's been some infidelity, for example.
You're saying so that you could dump your wife if she cheats on you?
Yes, without any freaking money.
Brian, who heard these prenups in the middle of my client.
I feel like you're always worried about something going to happen bad.
You have no trust and faith in that.
But I think it's the society we live in now.
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
So how many people get married and they think, hey, this is the person I love.
We're going to be together forever.
And then you hear that divorce rate.
It's like 50% of marriages end in divorce.
I think when people get married very young, right?
But isn't that the best time to get married?
Not necessarily.
I didn't get it.
I didn't get married young, though.
I've only been married now about five years.
But I should have got married younger.
It's one of my quasi-regrets in life.
But some of the best marriages I've ever seen were people who got married 20 years old or 22 or 23 years old.
I just wonder, Brian, if you're, because all the objections you're raising are completely legit.
Sure, sure.
I just wonder if you are looking at an alternative that doesn't really exist, that's illusory.
Because if you're thinking, okay, I'm going to have more freedom if I don't get married.
I don't know if that's true.
If you're always in one of these situations, even if you're just dating where you think, well, where are we?
Where do we stand?
Is he going to leave me?
Is this, that?
In a marriage, in a proper marriage, all that is gone.
And so you think I had a bad day.
I got in a fight with my wife.
I didn't do the laundry, whatever.
Doesn't matter, especially if you believe in marriage like marriage really is.
You say this is an institution defined by real things.
I made a covenant before God and the political community.
I signed up with the government.
They're going to take my money if I break this covenant.
And that actually, it seems like it puts limitations on you, but it actually gives you a ton of freedom.
Because you can think, oh, I'm here.
We're in this.
There's no getting out.
There's no way out but through, and so we're just going to make this thing work.
I find it's a very freeing experience.
What if you also meet someone and she's like, I want to get married and you're in love with this girl?
Jordi, is it a deal breaker for you?
I have not crossed that road.
Hasn't found that crossbow?
That road yet.
I don't know.
I mean, my thinking on this is just you should never sign a contract with someone who's rewarded for breaking it.
And in today's day and age, oftentimes if you break the marriage contract, there are certain financial benefits that you can reach.
You can go get married in another country, and then you don't have to.
Passport bros we up.
I think Japan, maybe?
Actually, you know what's happening in Japan?
Because women can't find, there's not enough guys.
So there's a thing where they have one woman wedding because all these girls want to get married.
Tokyo, here I come.
You know what, Michael?
You've convinced me to get married.
In fact, Eric, if you can hide this, Tatum.
What?
Oh, God.
Wow.
He pulled it out.
Will you marry me, Tatum?
Where did you just get that from?
Like, last time you reached for it, you just had that ready.
I had it ready.
He knew you were coming.
He already knew.
Tatum, will you marry me?
Yeah.
Okay, put it.
All right.
Thank you, Michael.
You're the best wingman ever.
Congratulations.
And I am.
Brian, I will be divorcing you at the end of this podcast.
Oh, wonderful.
All right.
Can you do a little Beyoncé?
All right.
Okay.
Look at that.
Nice.
There are people in the back.
All right.
Tatum Atlas.
Okay, cool.
Oh, Tatum Atlas.
What?
What's her last name?
She's keeping the last name.
Wait, are we hyphenating?
No, They both go no.
You're not going to keep your last name.
But then our family's name runs out.
Yeah, there's two girls.
Only two girls.
Only two girls.
Well, that's the way things shake out, right?
I mean, your family's name is either going to be your husband's name or your father's name.
Why?
Because that's what your last name is.
I want to keep my father's last name, so I'll just keep my father's last name if I get married.
Why?
Fiona Flynn.
Have you heard that?
That's a great name.
That's a nice name.
You know, I have friends who married guys with horrible last names.
But it's kind of weird.
I know.
Would you want your last girlfriend?
When you get married, you would keep your father's last name?
No.
No, you wouldn't.
I want to.
We just talked about it.
Unless the last name means last time.
Unless the last name is really awesome.
I love that way my last name is.
Yeah, I like my last name too.
Doesn't that feel like you're not really getting married then?
No.
You're not really forming a marriage.
No, I mean, if you're devoted to each other in every way possible, I don't think my last name is very trivial.
Your name is very trivial.
It's what you are called.
It's very trivial.
The last name is not what I'm called.
Can I ask you a question?
So then if you have kids, right, are they going to take your husband's last name or yours?
I'm not happy.
Or are you going to hyphenate it?
Do you don't want kids?
No.
Why not?
Because I just don't want to bring kids into the world right now, or any time from the way the world's looking.
The world's always looking bad.
It's been looking bad for thousands of years.
But you got born.
You were happy about that.
We were around that.
You're not happy about that?
I don't believe.
You're smiling.
I don't believe that's bad.
I'm not happy about it.
That's really sad to hear.
I don't believe that for a second.
I mean, there's pros and cons, but I mean, I just, I don't know.
I feel like it's a very, I mean, being a parent's a very serious thing.
I don't feel like a lot of people take it serious enough.
And I feel like there's a lot of kids in this world who have bad parents or who are dealing with trauma from parents, and it's affecting the way these people are raised and like the people in our community and how they come out.
And I just don't want to be at fault for giving a kid.
Now you sound like him, though.
Now you're all doing this thing where you're like, I don't want any responsibility.
No, no, no.
I would like I, if it happens, it happens, but I'm not like planning on having kids.
I mean she'd also adopt if she feels like she needs.
Yeah, I feel like I would adopt before I actually have a kid.
Wait until she's like 35 and she'll feel, you, wouldn't you guys want to adopt?
Like we're having your own wives giving, like giving birth?
I don't know, because I feel like there's so many kids out there, there's a lot of kids, but like so then are you gonna adopt someone of your own culture or are you gonna like branch out?
I don't know if I were to adopt it, we're not adopting.
Oh, she's divorcing you after this.
I told you I'm divorcing you after this.
I'm taking half your podcast.
who are you taking who if you're getting half the podcast who do you take with you Eric I'm taking Eric Eric deserves better Okay um, good times.
Uh, just the last thing on the marriage thing and we'll get to some of the super chats.
So I guess, kind of my.
One of my qualms with marriage is, you know, I people's people don't really commit anymore, evidenced by, well, generally speaking, obviously people have healthy marriages that work out and go the distance.
But you know the, the vows that you say when you get married till death, do us part.
That has to mean something.
If, if your words mean nothing, then like for me, if I get married, if I were to get married, that is for life yeah, you're already divorcing me would be part of a good change.
Hello, I do have a skateboard.
By the way, you should see the trucks, they're proper.
Can we do any tricks on it?
It's been a minute since I've.
Uh, this is why she's divorcing you Brian, what hey?
Oh, here's a good question.
Do you know what a mall grab is?
Do you know what a mall grab is?
An olive?
Yeah, what's a mall grab?
Isn't there.
You like you kick off it and then you jump in.
You grab in there.
Yeah, you grab it Tatum, you like skater boys and you don't even know these terms.
A mall grab is when you grab when you're carrying the skateboard.
You don't grab by the trucks.
Oh yeah, they make fun of kids.
Yeah, posers do that.
Posers like you're walking around the mall with your skateboard, but you don't skateboard, so you grab it by the trucks.
That's called a mall grab.
Do you know what a ram tramp is?
Sounds like that setup yeah, but um no the, the vows you make when you get married till death, do us part.
To me, that has to actually mean something.
And I, you know, perhaps i'm uh, you're not a bit pessimistic, but when I see the divorce rate, it makes me take pause and I think, look how many of these people that are that are getting married have the best intentions in mind and they love this person and they think i'm gonna spend the rest of my life with this person.
And then one two, three years down the road the, the marriage uh, is done.
And are your parents divorced?
No, they're.
Actually, they're still together.
They had a terrible marriage.
No, they're happily married.
There's, this example is coming from my.
My parents have a very healthy relationship.
They're still married.
Actually, that's a picture of them right there, them two right there.
That's a great, don't you want that?
Yeah, don't you want that?
Yeah, I do, but I have to be, I guess, realistic about the current.
I have to be realistic about the current dating landscape and go to how long have you been married?
I've been married now five years.
Coming up on five years oh, it's a shit show.
No, look I.
It's a shit show.
I missed dating apps like I.
I got back together with a dan girlfriend.
Now yeah, they seem horrible I, so I just missed it, and so that would be hard, especially if I were a single guy and I were living in dating app culture and I just knew there were always.
Just, there's always gonna be some hotter, I don't know, what like check out hotter, younger wanderer or whatever, like girl, right?
Sure.
But you're you're from here or you're not from here?
I'm from New York originally.
You're from New York, okay, so even better.
And you said you've known your wife since you guys are 10?
Yes, yeah.
So, I mean, if you've known her since you were 10, you've been single between those times, you've seen multiple women, you've seen everybody out there, you had your time to explore, and you basically learned that maybe there's not better, and that's why you're yes.
But that's kind of like the modern lib thing is you've got to split up and do your own thing and go.
I don't believe that either.
Yeah, I think it was BS.
I wish there was so much cultural pressure when my wife and I, sweet little Elisa, when we were in high school, they said, oh, you've got to split for college.
You'd be crazy to date your girlfriend and your high school girlfriend in college.
And then by the end of college, you're like, why the hell did we break up?
That was crazy.
We should have gotten married at 18, pumped out like a dozen kids, gone to move to a farm and grown a big beer.
Yeah, I didn't see all that.
Sam Kilkenny, can you push your microphone now closer towards you?
Yeah.
I don't believe in.
I'm sorry to cut you off my mind.
I was talking about how I should have been Amish, you know, and ish, you know, like sort of not fully all the way, but something like that.
Yeah, I think it would have been.
Since you guys knew each other at 10, 18, isn't that insane?
That's already eight years.
It's almost you guys would have known each other for basically half your lives at that point.
So that's not insane.
For me, I feel like it's insane when I see like 18 to probably 22 year olds getting married when they just, they're getting engaged within a year of meeting somebody.
And it's like, I feel very, very strongly about my boyfriend so, so strongly, but I still know would not be the smartest decision to get engaged six months from now.
Like when you say like the divorce rates are 50%, it's like, I'm sure there is some people who are blindsided in those relationships, but I bet a good part of those relationships that end in divorce are people who got together who either A already knew it wasn't going to probably work out, B, got married just because either someone was pregnant or C, they were forced into it and they are waiting until marriage or something, so they just get married young.
I feel like a lot of those people, both parties going into it, kind of are already knowing this isn't going to work out.
How long have you been dating?
Not long at all.
We've known each other since September.
We've only been exclusively dating since January.
So it's been very, very, very brief.
But I've never, I've been in two years, two and a half year long relationships, one one year long relationship, and I've never felt this way, definitely, about anybody before.
So I know the difference now.
And that's also why I've said before, like some things I've said before have changed.
Like before I thought I needed to be single to have fun and vacation or explore things, but now I know I don't need that.
I would rather him be there, you know?
Last thing on the marriage thing, kind of the other reason why I'm hesitant is because my fiancé wants to hyphenate our last names.
So that's another issue there.
Let's move on from that.
By the way, you didn't introduce yourself as Wish.
Ariana Grande from Wish or Great Ball.
Walmart.
Yeah, Walmart.
Whatever you prefer.
Next time.
We'll get it next time.
I forgot.
So let me see here.
We had Kiara Grande.
Would you guys date?
So we have a political commentator on the show, and he's part of the Daily Wire Network, which is a more conservative company.
Would you guys date a conservative?
Let's start with you.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yes.
Sure.
I mean, you don't sound very enthusiastic about that.
I don't think that would be a deal breaker for me.
If I like you, if I fall in love with you, that's not going to be something that's going to stop.
But I mean, you're going to find out they're a conservative before you fall in love with them, though.
Unless you're just falling in love at first sight or something.
I mean, I feel like that's something that gets brought up before you fall in love.
Yeah, I mean.
So would you even date a conservative to begin with?
I feel like it's better.
Yeah, um probably, yes.
I don't think that would stop me.
I don't think that's a deal breaker for me.
I think relationships still work.
I've seen a lot of relationships where there's a one conservative and one more liberal person.
I think it depends on how conservative they are or like how much they let the politics get like get into their life, like how much it affects them.
What if the guy's super conservative, like super duper makes Francisco Franco look like a huge Democrat, but I don't think they know who that is?
Or yeah, makes like Francisco Franco.
He was a strong man in Spain for many decades.
Oh, during World War II.
Yeah, and into, yeah.
So, okay.
You know, makes, I don't know, makes Trump look like a big lib or something.
But he's not always talking about his politics.
He just happens to be very conservative.
And the dictator's favorite.
I mean, I feel like if you are like that, your actions are going to be very conservative.
Well, you mean like have a family, hold a steady job.
Or just the way he treats people and the way that he's like, in their actions?
I feel like if he's making Donald Trump look like a lib, I feel like his interactions with people wouldn't be very good.
It'd be very funny.
It'd be really charming.
I mean, it might be funny to watch.
It'd be very attractive to women.
Yeah.
Probably not.
I feel like being on too much of any side, it's not going to be not.
Don't you think if you stand in the middle of the road, you might get hit by a truck?
No.
Have you ever stood in the middle of a road?
Not in that sense.
I think he can have views on both sides.
I agree.
I agree.
Dominology, no.
I feel like you do.
Me?
No, I am extremely conservative.
I consider myself very moderate because moderation is a virtue, but there's no issue on which I hold the liberal position.
See, like I would date someone who's conservative, but I wouldn't date a Trumpet.
No, that's weird.
Which conservative would you date?
Someone who I would date, I would hope, isn't still fetishizing a president who hasn't been in office now for almost who knows how long.
Just like I wouldn't date somebody who had, even though I feel like it is a little bit different in a sense because it was the first black president, but still I wouldn't want to date somebody who still had Obama flags and propaganda, whatever, up anywhere.
I feel like that's weird.
Let's move on.
If he has something representing the next Republican candidate, sure, he's representing who he wants to vote for.
But somebody who's been out of office, to lie and say there is not an agenda behind what's going on there, I think is very naive.
So no, yeah, I wouldn't date somebody who's Trump flag still, Trump 20, 20, whatever at this point.
No.
But if you are conservative, yeah, you want to vote Republican?
Who cares?
But you say just not, you just can't be too conservative.
Like, just what she was saying, how it's like, when you're too far on either spectrum, it's just very bad.
But don't you think, I mean, people who have a coherent view of politics, it's one thing is going to lead to another thing, right?
If you're, let's say you're pro-life, you know, you don't think that abortion should be allowed, that's going to bleed into your thoughts on marriage and divorce and raising children.
That might even bleed over into your thoughts on taxes and education.
So it's all going to kind of come together of a piece, right?
And same thing if you're super liberal.
All those issues are going to kind of roll off one from the other.
But I feel like you could still find a good middle ground.
I mean, like, I am okay with people owning guns, but there's certain other things I probably wouldn't be okay with that conservatives are okay if.
Like, I'm not pro-life.
Yeah, not yet.
I watched myself.
I will not change my mind on that.
That's what I said.
But then I got convinced.
I just, there's no way I'd be convinced to change my mind on that.
No.
Have you ever thought there's something I'll never do and then you did it?
I'm sure, but like, I know for this, I will not change my opinion.
Really quick.
Show of hands.
Who here would date someone who's pro-life?
Honestly, a problem.
That's a hard stop.
Yeah, like pro-life.
That's a hard time.
You wouldn't date a guy if that guy said, I don't want to kill your child.
No, I would date the guy.
I think there's different things.
Yeah, it's just that.
What's the difference?
I think the problem for me is that I own my buddy.
And like, I own my buddy.
What makes you say you own your body?
Because I have my buddy and I take care of it.
Well, you are part your body.
You own your body and your part yourself, but you don't own that.
You didn't have to do that.
So who owns that?
Let me just interrupt you.
If you believe that, God alone said that it's your belief, but it's not mine.
But you can't bring religion into it.
There's only one universe, and it happens to be true in that universe.
In my universe, it's not true.
I have my own psychophilists.
In your universe, you could pretend to be a bug with 17 arms.
It doesn't make sense.
But Michael, you can't bring religion into politics.
Well, you have to bring religion into it.
I'm no politics.
I mean, you can take it into account there, but you cannot let it set politics for you.
No, it has to.
No, because there's so many different religions.
It's just like you can't cater to one.
Being Catholic.
You can't cater to just religion.
Catholicism.
Catholicism.
Because you have people in the United States who are not just Catholics.
Let me just interrupt really quick and then I'll let you respond.
So just one thing.
This is a hot-button political issue.
Michael's conservative.
I think you guys probably have a different stance on abortion.
I'm happy to talk about it, but I want everyone to try to keep it.
People have very strong opinions on this.
Let's hopefully just keep it respectful.
Let's have a debate.
Let's engage in a hopefully a fruitful debate or not fruitful debate, but let's just keep it polite.
And I think Michael is probably prepared to make pro-life arguments that are not based in religion.
Well, I think everything is a problem.
He was just making it.
I think ultimately everything is better.
Because if you're right now.
But what if I'm not religious?
Well, that's your problem.
KO, you're my problem into my life.
But it's a problematic aspect.
Why it's a problematic aspect.
Well, because certain things are true and certain things are false.
So, like, for instance, if I said right now, hey, is it better to bake a pie for a widow or kick a little baby in the head?
Would you say one of those things is better than the other thing?
You can compare them because you're taking things out of a context.
No, but I'm just asking, would you look at that situation and say, you have two choices here?
You can either bake a pie for the widow down the street, or you can kick that little baby in the head.
Would you say one of those things is better or worse than the other one?
Yeah, I believe.
Yeah, so if you're going to make a claim that something is better or worse as a moral question, then you are now taking recourse to because that's a religious view.
So how is me making a claim about having an abortion and pro-life?
Obviously, I feel like if you're having an abortion, it's not a good thing.
Like, I don't think it's something that should be romanticized.
I don't think it's a good thing.
I feel like it's sad that you even have to go to that point, but it should be there for women.
If it's not a good thing, then why?
No one needs it.
there's other things that are not a good thing birth control is not a good thing either and we have it but we shouldn't need it well i mean having sex before marriage is not a good thing for society but we have it right So you're going to ban it.
But you just shouldn't do it.
Drugs are not a good thing, but we have it.
It's a good idea.
Right, you also shouldn't do that.
You're making very good arguments for things we shouldn't have.
I'm just like, there's so many things.
I agree with your viewpoint, and I know you're very passionate about your viewpoint.
I'm very passionate about it.
But I think we're going a wrong way about the whole conversation.
Because you're saying that's just wrong, but we have to talk about how can we prevent that from happening in the first place.
Like, what happens to a 14-year-old girl who gets raped, for example?
Like, how would we prevent that?
I think we have to pretend that.
How do you prevent rape?
Well, how do we talk about people with mental issues?
Like, we have to talk about just bettering.
Like, are you doing something to better it?
Yeah, well, the way to prevent rape would be to get tough-run crime, and it would be to circumscribe certain sexual behaviors, right?
And stop, I would say, probably stop encouraging a hookup culture that makes it a little bit easier.
So, you can do all sorts of things like that.
And then, what do you do for a young woman who's already pregnant?
What do you do?
Well, you know, the crime has already happened.
So, if she gets an abortion or she doesn't get an abortion, that's not going to change the fact that you're not going to be able to do that.
For example, you can maybe like create a foundation that will help people to fund the baby.
Yeah, right.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers.
They're great, great organizations all over the world.
Are they accessible to people?
Yes, everywhere.
Well, that's good.
I mean, I don't know if it's accessible to people.
They totally are.
Okay, you can.
Tell me where you are.
I'll get you an organization.
So you gave me a look while I was over there.
What's up?
I was wondering what you're doing.
Oh, I had to go to the bathroom and I got a nice pack.
For what?
Neck pain.
I got old baby.
I've got arthritis or something.
So you also looked at me, Kiko, and you wanted to.
Why don't you and Michael have a little debate on this?
Well, Kiko and I agree.
Oh.
I think we agree on pretty much everything.
No.
No?
No.
What do we disagree on?
I'm pro-choice through and through.
I'll never change.
I will never waiver.
Not a single thing I could be seen.
Said to me anything.
I'm not changing my opinions.
We might as well not even debate on it because it doesn't seem like he's changing his opinion either.
But I did change my opinion because I used to be.
So you're willing to change back your opinion?
Well, I'm not.
You know, it's not 100% true in what you believe.
I am, so I know I'm not going to change it.
No, I don't.
We can then if you want to debate, if you think you can change it.
You know, in the face of compelling evidence, I could change any opinion.
One thing really quick.
Me too, usually, but then some things you're just set in stone on, and this is one of those things.
Is it maybe because you're afraid that you'll find compelling evidence that would convince you otherwise?
So one thing really is to change your opinion on it.
I'm having this conversation.
Yeah, go ahead.
Oh, you guys are fine?
Okay.
So beyond comfort.
Yeah.
Oh, beyond comfortable.
Yeah, let's have it.
Okay, because some people don't like talking about this sort of stuff, but so long as you guys are fine having a little debate, I think, and the great thing about debate is that you can kind of, it can help you reaffirm your position or perhaps challenge your position i mean i'm always open to new things and i want to keep learning but sure i'm just saying i'm pretty i agree with kiko i'm being very strong on this one yeah So then what if we have a debate for the fun of it?
How's that?
That's what I'm saying.
Fun.
Okay.
Let's do it.
Fun.
Go ahead.
Why is this the one issue that you wouldn't change your mind on?
Because I feel like the research is already done.
We've already taken away the law, put it back.
We've already seen the negatives and positives from it.
So why are we repeating history?
We've already done this multiple times now.
What law?
When we banned abortion back in what was in 1960?
Yeah, Roe v. Wade.
Well, Roe v. Wade created a constitutional right to abortion.
Yes, it opened up our corporations.
Yes, but before then, before then, abortion was illegal in those places.
Yes.
And then now we saw, because the reason why that happened, well, there's obviously multiple reasons why some of it does stem in racism as well.
You mean because most black babies in New York are aborted and not born.
That would be racist, right?
No, I mean, because the issue was the reason why we're getting back here is because the most people having, not the most people, the majority of the highest percentage of people having abortions are African-American women or minority women in New York.
Right world.
The majority of black babies in New York City are being killed.
The most dangerous place for a black person in New York City is in his mother's womb.
That's very racist, I agree.
And Plan Paradise bargains to black people.
Not be calling them babies.
Yeah, they're what should I call them?
Fetuses.
Do you know what the word fetus means?
Yeah.
Embryo.
Embryo.
Embryo is another term, but the word fetus is a Latin word that means offspring.
So it means baby.
Isn't like the, I don't know, I think it's in Freakonomics that they wrote about the fact that Roy and Wade decreased the crime rate in New York.
Yeah.
This was an argument that was really compelling to me.
I actually made this argument to a bioethicist who was very pro-Bronte.
Not Bronte.
I wouldn't say she was the top bioethicist I talked to.
But I made this argument.
I said, well, no, I'm really in favor of abortion because the Freakonomics book told me that it decreases the crime rate, you know, if you abort these babies.
And she said, cool, Michael, which of those arguments is not also an argument for killing young black men in the inner cities, age 18 to 25?
And the problem is they have life.
Well, the babies have life.
You call them fetus.
No, they have life.
No.
Well, they have life experiences.
They have no.
How are you alive if you have conscious memories?
You have no conscious.
How are you a living, breathing being if you have no conscience?
Should you be able to kill somebody who's in a coma, who's unconscious?
Honestly, yeah, if I was a vegetable, why are we having people on ventilators who have vegetables for years?
No, honestly, my true opinion, yes, they should be dead to you.
I agree with the plug.
Even if you have a coma at some point, because people can be in a coma for years and then come out of the coma.
But you think just kill them anyway?
Honestly, you're going to be a bit of a drink.
Are you vegan?
Are you vegetarian?
Do you really care that much about life?
I'm talking about human life.
So do you have to do that?
If you have a higher conscious, we're better than these things.
No, because man is the only rational animal.
So man, unlike lower animals, we have a rational will.
So what I'm saying.
Yeah, because we're more rational.
We have a higher consciousness.
So consciousness.
That's what I just said.
No, but the rational soul is not merely the expression of the people.
I just feel like you shouldn't call it pro-life because I don't really think you're pro-life.
Maybe you're pro- Even broccoli screams when you pull it from the ground.
Carrots scream.
I agree.
I agree.
Yeah.
No, I mean, ultimately, the image, because you brought up religion, ultimately the reason is because man is made in the image and likeness of God, right?
That's why man is a religion.
It's religion for you.
That's your main idea.
But everything ultimately is religious because that's the fundamental.
What if I'm not religious?
Yeah, I'm bad.
Everybody's religious in some way.
Well, you just admitted that you believe some things are better than other things.
Oh, it's absolutely amazing.
Well, so that's a moral hierarchy.
That's a moral hierarchy.
So where does your morality derive from?
The universe.
I don't need a religion to tell me what's good or bad.
It's common sense most of the time, what's good or bad.
Not from God telling me.
Where does that common sense come from?
Like, you weren't just, you didn't.
I feel like from the time I was able to have any belief, I didn't need somebody to tell me it's wrong for me to kill somebody.
I didn't need somebody to tell me it's wrong if I steal this from somebody.
And I was an only child, too.
So I didn't need to be taught that.
That's just something that my brain was like, it's like a common sense thing.
Right, that's called your moral conscience.
And I didn't need God to do that.
It was just me.
Well, you're human.
God gave you your moral conscience and created the morality of your life.
But furthermore, you do have someone now telling you a view of right and wrong that is different than the one that you have.
Me, me, me, my brain.
But you also have me telling you.
And so you say.
But I don't listen to you.
I listen to me.
But you might be listening to me.
You're listening to me right now.
I'm listening to you speak, but I wouldn't listen to anything you do and put it in action.
You might.
It's a problem.
My ears work, yes.
Am I taking it in?
You say abortion is fine, and I say abortion is bad.
Yes.
How do you know which one of us is right?
How do you know that?
Because humans know nothing, really.
Well, I think I know something.
Well, I know, but really, I mean, I think the argument for where life begins is useless because I don't think based on that, you're not going to change someone else's mind.
Because everybody has strong beliefs.
I think that's what you're saying.
That's a great point because it doesn't matter when life begins so much as what life means.
Yeah, so it means so many different things to people.
So I just think it's useless to argue over that.
I think it's better to argue how we can, what we can do in this situation.
Because we all agree when life begins.
Like by definition, it's a conceptual thing.
No, we don't.
So we're just swallowing up.
Hold on just a second.
The idea they can escape consequences and not control every element of sex is the issue.
Ironically, women side with the eugenicists that created these schemes and hate them and want them gone.
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Thank you for the 200 TTS.
Thank you there.
Interesting name you have there.
Thank you, man.
Go ahead, Kiko.
You wanted to.
Well, because I agree with what you're saying, but we said we're debating for fun.
So that's the reason why I'm doing it, because I know whatever.
You said, how do I know I'm right?
Well, I mean, this is also objective, too, but for me, I know I'm right because every state with the most educated people here are still pro-choice.
And the states with not that many educated people usually are the ones that are pro-life.
I'm relatively educated, right?
I'm not saying you're not.
And I'm not sure.
Is New York pro-choice?
Is New York did not?
New York is a choice.
Well, now I live in Tennessee.
Yeah, so Tennessee.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
No, I just, if you're saying education.
I mean, I just feel like if you grab somebody from Tennessee versus if you grab people from California and you find the most overall, I feel like the majority.
Yeah, the majority is going to probably be from California and not from Tennessee.
I mean, Michael's boosting up the average, I think.
Vice.
Because it's so small, right?
He has one Yale.
You throw one Yale in a Tennessee.
You're shooting.
No, I also don't have a ton of respect for people who have all these credentials.
I mean, my fellow Yale's believe all sorts of things that are insane.
I mean, they don't know the difference between a man and a woman.
So I'm not surprised that they can't tell what life is about.
Also, I feel like I'm just going to set this from the straight, from the start.
You and Brian don't really get a say in this because you can't have kids.
Oh, no uterus.
No, I have two kids.
Did you birth them?
Did they come out of your vagina?
No, no.
But I did help to make them.
And even if I didn't have kids, the other reason I would have some say over this is because I have rational faculties and I can come to conclusions about things that don't involve me.
For instance, if I were an oncologist, I wouldn't necessarily need to have cancer to know something about it.
You can have a say, but you're not going to have the final say.
It's not your choice.
It's not your body.
Why would it not be?
I'm the head of my household.
So you can tell your wife.
You tell her when and what to do, every move to make.
Not every move to make.
I have quite quite a lot of say over it.
Can I say?
What she's trying to say is that why do we restrict women and tell them what to do if we have to restrict the man?
Because they're the ones who don't take the responsibility for what they have done.
No, men have to take responsibility.
You don't know how many guys invited me over the house on the first date.
It is disgusting to say every time a no, but it's happening and I have to like, I have to say no.
But like we are not educating and saying to the man that they should behave properly.
Why are we shaming women for the fact that they want to have a choice and what to do with their bodies when the guys and the man who they whose attraction they're trying to get, you know, like the women are having sex with the guys because it's the only way, the only thing they can give guys like right now, maybe they don't see a value.
You're so right about that, but doesn't that tell you that those guys are just dirtbags and you should go to them.
But there are so many of them, so what should I do then?
Should I be a better guy?
Where's not the root problem of abortions?
I feel like abortions are not good.
They're bad, but I feel like they're needed in some scenarios.
I don't think pro-choice means all girls should be having sex.
Unprotected and just like that should be plan B is having an abortion.
But I feel like there are instances where like you don't realize that you're pregnant or just something goes wrong.
I feel like it shouldn't be on like legal terms.
It's way more about the situation.
But you need a law.
Either it's legal or it's illegal.
Yeah, but if it's illegal, like, that doesn't mean everyone's going to get an abortion.
So, why do you think it's bad?
Because I get the pro-abortion argument, which is the baby's not really a baby.
It's not life.
It's not human.
Forget about it.
It's just like getting a bad thing.
I think it's bad because it's a sad thing to go through, period.
Yeah, for all.
Why is it sad, though?
Because it's like you have to do something.
Because I don't think people really are going in there and being like, I want to kill this fetus.
Like, it's not being like, no one's going to be like, I'm going to kill this.
Yes, it's life.
No one's still killing life.
Appointment period.
But for some people, it has to happen.
I know this girl who's a friend of mine, and she didn't know she was pregnant and she was on birth control.
And she found out she was five months pregnant and she was like, I cannot have this kid.
Like, there's no way I'm in high school.
This girl couldn't do it.
Why couldn't she just have the kid and give the kid up for adoption?
Would she change her life?
She's a whole life.
You say that, like, it's the easiest thing ever.
Well, you're talking about abortion like it's the easiest.
It's not.
It's not really.
But their life changes so much more after that fact.
You know, you have a kid outside.
One at a time, please.
Otherwise, you know you have a kid in the ground because you killed the kid.
No, they're not going to be in the ground because they're not big enough to be buried.
They would be disintegrated within two.
They would decompose within the body.
It depends what five months the baby's pretty low.
So are you pro-life point?
What is five months?
That was just like an experience from a role that we knew in high school.
Hold on, one microphone at a time.
I'll get you after Tim.
I was just wondering if it's like after three months or after.
No, from the beginning.
I don't think, you know, I don't think it makes sense to just pick an arbitrary date and say, okay, that's why it's arbitrary, though, because it's supposed to be by each case by case, because we can't tell when every embryo is going to be viable outside of the world.
But I'm not saying viable.
I'm saying from the beginning.
That's what's not.
What about what you think?
But what we're saying is why it's case by case is because we don't want to say, oh, we're going to ban after 20 weeks.
You can't, when some babies might be viable at 18.
I don't care when it's right.
So that's, can I finish my statement?
I'm just saying, you're good.
Go ahead.
I don't think it's going to be a bad idea.
Kiko, you go, then Michael, then Tatum.
I know, I forgot it.
I throw the bathroom, though.
Okay.
As someone was writing a message.
We'll get to it later.
Michael, did you have a response?
Yeah, well, just in response to that point, because Kiko was focusing on, well, at what point is the baby viable to live outside the mother's room?
But that isn't the question that matters.
The question that matters is, when is this thing a human?
When is this thing alive?
And the only answer to that question, just by definition, is at the moment of conception, because conception just means the beginning of life.
I agree with you.
It's just sad scenarios, like if a kid is born to a drug-addicted parent.
Well, they could give the baby up for adoption.
Yeah, but I don't know.
Do you really think they're going to make that smart choice if they're drug-addicted parents?
Yeah, I don't think there's enough structure to.
So saying any life is better than the bad life.
Yeah, I'm saying life is better than being killed.
I know I agree with you.
All life is better than being killed.
I guess another argument is like, what if a girl is young enough, right, and she's so desperate that she's going to go somewhere else or do it herself or something?
Well, you know, it's interesting.
Because you're saying that illegal abortions would be more dangerous.
But they're not, actually.
This is the weird thing.
In the year before Roe v. Wade allowed abortion everywhere, do you know how many women died from illegal back alley abortions in America?
What if they're 39?
Really?
And 24 women died from legal abortions.
So you're pro-illegal abortion?
No, I'm anti-all abortion.
But when you look at the number of states where it was legal, legal abortions, illegal abortions were roughly the same.
But how would they document that?
Do you think people that did it dangerously, would it be recorded?
They would frequently have to.
Well, it's women who die from this.
They would end up aborting.
Let's have Tatum come in.
Oh, no.
I like, I forgot.
If you remember it, let me know.
I feel like abortions are going to happen either way, like she was saying.
Like prostitution.
It's going to happen either way.
And I feel like it's better if we have a safe way for these women to get abortions instead of knowing it's going to happen and just putting a blind eye towards it.
But if there's a law against it, there are going to be far fewer abortions.
I think the law should be much more absurd.
Not necessarily.
No, it's just so black and white, and this issue is not black and white.
Yeah, I know.
Well, if there aren't going to be fewer abortions if you make it illegal, then why not just make it illegal?
If it's not going to matter.
Well, I think, like, for example, you know, going to a doctor and like the doctor prescribes drugs so freely these days, like for men.
You know, it's kind of the same thing with the boy.
I think if someone's going to go get an abortion, it should be much more, like, the doctor should be part of the whole thing.
Yes, 100%.
Try to deter the person and like or help how it's going to be.
To deter it, yeah.
But I just, like, making it so black and white, it's just.
But it just seems to me you all have, well, I think all of you have, the moral intuition that it's wrong.
Especially because you're women and you just don't want to kill your children.
But so you know that it's wrong.
So then why not follow that to its logical conclusion and say we shouldn't do that?
But I feel like if it's just illegal, right, then women will have less help with it.
Also, what she was saying is this whole situation is not so black and white.
It's not just it's wrong.
There's like other things that go way into it that you have to take into part that make a deciding factor on whether or not a woman wants an abortion.
It's not just like, oh, I'm doing this thing that's wrong.
It's like I'm doing this thing, but I could, like, there's other parts of it that's way more wrong, too.
So let's say a girl gets raped.
Do you really think she wants to have that reminder of her having a child?
But she could give the child up for adoption.
You keep saying that.
I would not want to go through pregnancy.
You're going through an entire pregnancy where your whole body's changing.
Your body's going to be changed forever after.
But what if you give birth to someone who is like the next care?
But in their sad.
Yeah, of course.
The next one?
Or even if not, just a regular person.
What's the likely?
What about the next Hitler?
And then they're like raised by the baby.
But there are about 36 couples who want to adopt for every newborn baby put up for adoption in the U.S.
So there would be no shortage of a couple to adopt the baby.
But I know it's really hard to adopt in the U.S. That's why, because there are so many couples who want to adopt every newborn baby.
It's expensive.
Yeah.
So either way, it's changing that girl's life forever.
But it already has to be.
The girl's life's already changed.
She's pregnant.
But if she gets married, it's not going to be as changed as that.
Yeah, I feel like it would not be as changed as you can.
You know what?
When you see a baby, it's different because when you see it, it becomes real.
When you don't see it, it's not real.
It doesn't seem to be real.
Well, when you don't see it, it doesn't seem real.
I've known people that had abortions and it affects them 10 years later in their life.
How would you even know, as a man, if it's going to be a detrimental change to this woman's life?
How would you even think that?
Well, because I have children who are carrying a child.
I know plenty of women who've had babies and I know plenty of women who've had abortions.
And I have seen that.
I do too.
And I know.
And you're telling me that the abortions have not affected me.
If my mom hadn't had the abortion she had, I wouldn't be here.
Your mother had abortions.
Do you think that perhaps part of the reason you defend it is to justify your mother's abortions?
No.
No, I was pro-choice before that.
Before your mother had an abortion.
Before she found out.
Well, do you think, though, that you were obviously raised in an environment that's pro-abortion?
So, you know, certainly your views are going to be colored.
No, not necessarily.
My dad's not pro-abortion.
My mom's not pro-abortion, and I'm so pro-abortion.
There's like certain, I don't think, like we said, there's middle grounds on things that we take.
But no, this is not a middle ground.
You're just saying I'm pro-abortion.
I think a lot of it is pro-access of abortion.
Yeah, yeah.
The government telling them.
I think a lot of it with women is that they don't like the fact that it's the government that's dictating it.
But the government dictates all these important things.
I know, but I think it's just that they dictate my problem.
You don't like that there are laws against burglary and like they don't try to dictate like my body and try and tell me what to do with it.
Do you think there should be laws against heroin?
Like using heroin?
Law against you using your body as you like.
So I know people still do heroin.
Right, but far fewer people do that if it's detrimental to your body.
That's like a drug that's going to ruin you.
Having an abortion is going to save a lot of women's life.
No.
Save a lot of women's lives.
No, it doesn't.
It doesn't.
There is no condition in which a woman needs an abortion.
So how does it ruin your child if that child has no consciousness, never existed, never started anything that never existed?
Never had a name, never had a memory.
Yeah, never had a bird.
And never actually opened his eyes, never even had, like, most of the time, never even had anything.
Yeah, like, how is that ruining someone's life that never lives?
Because the child is deprived of the chance to grow up.
I don't think we can tell you that.
I don't think that child knows about its life.
It literally died.
When it never even.
Yeah, a person can be deprived of something without being conscious of it.
Like in the case of killing someone in a coma.
So like right now, I'm being deprived of being a billionaire.
So my life is.
No, because you're not entitled to be a billionaire.
You don't have a right to be.
You're not entitled really to life either.
You do.
In fact, if you have any rights at all, you must necessarily.
Based on our health care system and everything that's going on, technically you don't have entitlement to life because the simple things we need to live is so expensive that most people can't even afford it here.
So how is that an entitlement to life?
We're all living just fine.
We're all living just fine.
Are we the whole population?
You think we're all living just fine.
Yeah, I think we're living fine.
Can I ask you something?
How do you define consciousness?
like what is consciousness to you when you have like do we know what consciousness i would I would say you're conscious once.
Like, because some people believe that consciousness exists in the universe, right?
Yeah, that's a hard one to think.
I don't really, because I don't, for my thing, I don't say, oh, it's wrong once they're conscious.
My whole thing is once they're viable on their own.
And I'm not talking about, because if they are a parasite at that point, I'm not saying they are viable in the point they have to be born and can just walk and be on their own.
But if they are born and can't be on a ventilator or something and a machine can't even keep them alive, yeah, they are just a parasite at that point.
They are a creature living in our body.
If it had a different name, we would have killed it and gotten rid of it.
Just like if it was a pregnancy that was killing our body, we would get rid of it because right now it's a parasite that's hurting the body.
The difference between a parasite, though, and what you're describing is that what you're describing is your child.
If it's human, it's not a parasite, it's a human being.
Is it really, though, at that point?
Yeah.
That's where we disagree.
No, it's not just a matter of disagreement.
It's got to be human DNA and can't be.
It doesn't, though.
If it had to be justice, do you like death?
Like, are you pro-death penalty?
Yes, I'm very pro-death penalty.
So how are you saying that everyone has a right to live if they're pro-death penalty?
Well, because the civil authority, the civil authority has the right to do that.
I wrote a whole topic in debate class because if you're religious, right?
So how are you pro-death penalty if you are not God?
Because whosoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.
Yeah, but because man is made in the image and likeness of God.
But who is to decide when to take that?
The civil authority, which does not bear the sword in vain.
But who is to decide who that civil authority is?
Well, there are different forms of civil authority.
There's monarchy, oligarchy, and democracy, and different societies at different times.
Well, no, God does, in his foreordaining providence, permit the civil authority and entrusts the enactment of justice to that civil authority.
But you said that my body belongs to God.
You were saying your body belongs to God, as does your soul.
I feel like once adding religion into it, I feel like there's really no argument.
Well, here's why.
I mean, I'll just do it really quickly as to why religion has to come into it.
It's because all of our political ideas rest on, as we have discussed, ideas of applied morality, right?
What's good and what's bad.
And morality rests on a basis of epistemology, which is how we can know anything at all.
And epistemology rests on a basis of anthropology, which is the question of what is human nature.
What is a human even to know anything?
And anthropology rests on a basis of ontology, which is what does it mean to be.
And then ontology rests on a basis of theology, which is what is the fundament of reality.
Okay, so you're saying it all goes back to religion, but I'm saying you can't go back to one religion because there's multiple relationships.
Yeah, religion is a habit of justice that renders to God what he is due.
That's what that means.
Yeah, we don't even understand what that means.
I think we're all living a video game.
Yeah.
What video is that?
It might be a decent metaphor.
So I have a question for you, Michael.
If you had to steel man the pro-choice side, I assume you're familiar with the term steel man.
What are some of the, what is or what are some of the strongest arguments that you hear from people who are pro-choice?
The strongest argument for abortion would be that there's no such thing as God, I guess.
Because in order for abortion to be even remotely acceptable, we would just have to be stuff.
We'd just have to be matter, right?
There wouldn't be good or bad or right or wrong.
We have matters.
Honestly, I do think that's what we're doing.
We're not metaphysics, but according to metaphysics, we're also a soul.
Yeah, but I believe in physics more than metaphysics.
the two go together but then the way they can coexist together if you're saying they're different No, different things.
We're all different people, and yet we coexist together.
But then you're saying that we have, like, so you know, I should not believe in God for me to not believe in pro-life.
No, I mean, I could make plenty of secular arguments for anything you want.
It's just ultimately, ultimately, it does come down to God because everything comes down to God, ultimately.
So what would be if we remove religion, if we remove religion from it, what is the strongest argument you hear from someone who's pro-choice?
Is it a bodily autonomy argument, or is that not particularly compelling?
I mean, I think they're all really pretty silly arguments.
The strongest argument I could imagine is that we live in a materialist world.
So all of the metaphysical things that we pretend to care about or we think that we care about, you know, our loves, our hopes, our dreams, our joys, our emotions, that's all just fake.
It's all a trick played by chemicals firing off in our brains.
And we're actually just bags of flesh and we're eventually going to die and take a dirt nap and turn to worm food and that's all that there is, just oblivion.
Which can be compelling in the modern world.
Yeah, no, I mean, that's very often how we treat ourselves.
Though, actually, the way that we behave, the way that you're all talking, you don't really believe that because you're saying something.
Well, you don't want to believe that because you don't want to believe that because you want to believe that.
No, I think a lot of people do want to believe that because they want to live without consciousness.
I feel like if we all believed that, we would all lived a very sad and mopey life of not really caring about anything.
And I feel like people want to believe that so they have reason and purpose and something for them to do with their life and so that they're just not shitting on themselves all day long.
No, well, what you would do, if I didn't believe in God, which I didn't for a while, I would do what I did then, which is just be very hedonistic.
I would party all the time.
You disagree with me?
I don't believe in God, but I'm not hedonistic.
Why not?
Because I don't care.
For me, the short-term pleasure doesn't have any good in it.
I pursue long-term pleasure.
I pursue long-term achievements, goals, ideas.
And I know a lot of people who are religious who do want short-term pleasure.
Very.
Well, yeah, that's called sin and temptation.
That's true.
But so you're interested in long-term goals.
Yeah.
But why?
Because in the grand scheme of things, in the grand scheme of things, that's still short-term.
But by the perspective of eternity, right?
The scientists tell us my life.
My life.
That's what long-term is.
But that's a blip.
nothing.
I care as long as like I can think my consciousness is here, that's what I care about.
I don't care what's going to be like there after whatever and what's been before me.
What matters right now is like what my conscience can take and my conscience can only take what is happening right now right here.
It cannot take the yesterday anymore.
It cannot take the future anymore.
It can only take right now.
And right now I believe that right now I'm pursuing my life dreams that are not necessarily like short-term pleasure.
Like I'm not like, I don't know.
I'm going for masters, let's say.
It's not something very appealing.
Like it's not that I'm going to go through a party after the show.
But like it's still, it has more value to me than something henanistic, as you were saying.
That's good.
I'm stumped because it's good that you're doing that.
I just don't think it makes sense that you're doing that if there's nothing higher.
Well, because if- Are you talking about like purpose and purpose?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think you're just kind of being happy.
Yeah, that's what makes you have to be a greater being.
No, but you're suppressing your own short-term happiness for a long-term happiness.
I'm not suppressing my short-term care.
You just said that you were.
No.
You were giving up short-term pleasures for a long time.
For me, party is not fun.
I don't derive fun in that.
I don't know what you're saying.
Oh, so you're not giving up short-term pleasures.
You just have different pleasures.
Yeah, I don't.
Oh, okay.
Okay, that makes sense.
Kiko, did you have a final thought on this?
I have one more question for you, Michael, related to this, and then we'll move on to a different topic.
Oh, I mean, one thing he said was, if I even remember my full point, but you started saying like the only argument against pro-life is like there's no God or whatever.
And I just think, yeah, maybe that's what highly Catholic people think, but I feel like for most pro-choice people is we just put higher importance over the living woman over the embryo inside that's not living.
We put more importance over the present woman who's living, who has her life already established and what can change and giving her the choice because only that woman knows how that whatever is inside of her will affect her.
So it's giving her that choice instead of forcing her to have something that has no establishment that nobody's going to miss except for maybe her.
The only one who's going to feel the most pain is the person having the abortion.
Not the baby.
They cannot feel.
Even from a scientific point, they cannot feel it.
That's come on.
We're not going to argue that.
Yeah, we're not arguing.
I mean, suffer an injustice.
It depends.
Also, physically, it would depend on when you had the abortion.
But the reason that I don't find that very compelling is because I agree, you're right.
That's what the modern kind of liberal pro-abortion people say.
But it doesn't make sense even by the liberal premises.
Because the idea of modern liberalism is that you have certain rights.
And we call these human rights, we call them natural rights.
And so the basic ones that our country is sort of founded on is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
But the problem with that is you're saying that you would prioritize the liberty in a certain sense of the mother of that life.
That's the pursuit of happiness because her happiness is going to be so over the life of the female.
It's her life, it's her liberty, and it's her pursuit of happiness.
Not because she's already an American.
Technically, that thing is not even, we don't even know where that thing is going to be born.
It could be born anywhere.
That's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in America.
It could be born in any country, any place.
We don't even know where someone's going to go.
You don't even know if it's going to make it past childbirth.
No, you don't.
You don't know.
Life's a mystery, isn't it?
But the reason that's not compelling is because you're saying that these secondary rights, like liberty and pursuit of happiness, and I don't know, Fajitas on Saturday, that these are all Trump the fetuses, the baby's right to life.
But that can't be the case because those other rights rely upon the right to life.
That the right to life is not one right among many, but it's the basic fundamental right without which none of the others can exist.
Tatum, you wanted to go.
Go ahead.
You had something.
I just feel like abortion should not be based off of like, like you're saying, it was like it's not liberal ideology and stuff that like yeah I'm not a liberal either so I don't really care.
I just feel like it's more about experience like the the personal experience that you're going through context.
You can't do a house of journalization and call it an a sound argument.
But do you make you don't you don't make your moral decisions just based on how you're feeling in the morning.
You don't think that would be a sound way of making moral decisions.
You gotta think of that.
Abortions are thought-thorough.
Yeah, I think that's a good question.
But yeah, so that's different than what you just said though, which is it can't be just this rigid, you know, ideological thinking.
It's got to be more based on what you're feeling.
No, it can't be so black and white.
Yeah, there's way more put into it.
It's not just a very good and bad thing.
There's a lot.
I think the only black and white is we probably shouldn't talk about abortion and death penalty in the same sentence.
Why not?
I don't see any contradiction.
No, no, no, I agree with you.
It's just that, you know, I agree with you.
Like, death penalty is just, you know, people already to be sentenced to that, people commitment.
Well, apparently everyone has their rights.
But like Aristotle knows there was a case where it was wrongfully, you know, someone was wrongfully accused.
Oh, yeah.
So it's just, yeah, I mean, so that's why I don't know.
But that doesn't mean we get rid of the criminal justice system.
No, I totally agree with you.
It's just like, you know, a child is innocent and then you talk about death penalty.
Not you.
I just think that's what you're doing.
Yeah, no, of course.
Well, that's true if you sentence a guy to 50 years in prison.
Yeah, that's a shame to do that.
At least not that we talk about an innocent child and then the death, you know, someone's creating a lot of people.
Well, people get things wrong.
Yeah, people can't do that.
I just bring up the death penalty because you're over here talking about how everyone has the right to life, but now you're dictating whether or not someone can have life.
No, I'm saying that the civil authority has the right and the responsibility to enact justice.
Not God anymore, apparently.
Well, the civil authority governs the affairs on earth.
But then you're saying that God has and decides all of that.
So why didn't the God decide that, I don't know, Vladimir Putin is not the best person on the planet.
Oh, because it's a fallen world, and sin and death pervade the world because Adam ate it.
So how can I then trust somebody and trust that somebody will make a decision if that decision is inconclusive and different?
How to trust the civil authority?
Yeah, even civil authority or a God.
So the only person I can have a trust in is only myself and my own moral, whatever that is.
You can't trust yourself.
Have you made mistakes?
Are you a perfect person?
Not even close.
You can't trust yourself.
So why do we trust you?
Why do we trust the civil authority?
Why do we trust them if we can't trust ourselves?
Well, because people, I mean, I'm not necessarily telling you to trust me, though.
I like to think that I've, in some ways,.
So why do we trust the civil authority then?
Exactly.
There's so people.
Because people practice varying degrees of virtue and vice, both of which are habits.
And so the more you practice them, the easier they become, though it's a fallen world, so we all still make mistakes.
And so what we want is to, in this country, elect leaders who are virtuous and who are wise and who are prudent and just like you.
But I just want to ask you.
Oh, I thought you were volunteering to be a leader.
No, but based on all your beliefs, I'm curious.
So we're moving towards the future where artificial intelligence is going to be so prevalent, right?
Oh, this is where, well, this is kind of where I think I was going.
Tatum, did you have something really quick that you wanted to say?
Okay.
By the way, guys, there's 8,000 people watching right now.
Drop a like.
And yo, the chat is on fire.
Oh, my God.
You guys are crazy.
Wait, how many views do you usually get, like, live?
Three.
Well, it's been steadily going up.
Normally we get like two or three thousand concurrent.
So we've almost like we've tripled.
Since we brought up abortion, they're all up here.
It could be that.
It could be that.
In any case, so you were about to talk about artificial intelligence.
Were you going to bring up artificial wombs?
Is that where you were?
Actually, yeah, like the excellent.
But I was going to ask you first.
And I would love to cover that topic as well.
But so since we're moving towards that, and at some point, I'm sure, there's going to be not even some sum of government, but the social justice system that's based on AI, that AI is going to scan things.
And so based on maybe past data.
Hold on, just a sec, so...
Wow.
...donated $201.
Equal rights gave the workforce twice the workers and cut income in half.
Basic supply and demand.
Core funding abortion get their workers back for any money instead of costing maternity leave.
Avoiding pregnancy leaves you serving masters that hate and let you.
So true.
So true.
Great point.
Yeah.
So just because we don't have a ton of time to continue on this specific subject, I do want to move it on just with the whole artificial intelligence thing.
Michael, what do you think about this as perhaps a potential middle ground or compromise between the pro-life and the pro-choice side?
And obviously this could be decades or even centuries in the future.
The development of an artificial womb.
What if we saw both sides come together and say, hey, we're going to put all our lobbying money, all our outreach money, basically all the money that's thrown at this issue from both sides and say, we're going to have a joint research fund where we're going to research an artificial womb.
That way a woman could, if she was so inclined, she could end the pregnancy.
However, the life could continue in an artificial womb.
Do you think that that could be a potential compromise?
It's a bit of a saying.
It's a futurist.
You're saying an artificial womb to be used in the case that a woman tries to have an abortion.
You say, okay, you're going to be funneled into this artificial womb.
Or are you saying for everybody?
Well, if a woman could still have a normal pregnancy and go through with it, of course.
But in the event that, for example, she wanted to terminate the pregnancy, just in the same way how it is.
If it were a sort of medical device to save a baby, I guess I'd be for it.
It's already there.
I'm still babies.
Yeah, well, there are all sorts of...
It's a concept, but it's basically going to be in the future.
I'm still babies.
But the fear is that women just start using it, and that would be very bad because it would establish the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of human life, which is super creepy.
But what about in vitro and echo?
The very bad.
No bueno.
It's not good.
It's not good.
Because a baby for everybody.
Because a baby has a right to be born and to be conceived through the conjugal activist parents who are joined together in perpetuity in matrimony.
And furthermore, there's a danger with something like IBF or all the rest of it of establishing the dominance of either the state or big business, maybe even worse, or technology broadly over, as I previously had said, the origin and destiny of human life, which is super creepy.
Do you think that I even like Elon Musk?
It's a losing battle, I feel, because it's moving towards that anyway.
Like, we're moving so much towards the business.
Well, we can stop things.
I mean, the atomic bomb was invented, what, 70, 80 years ago?
Everybody thought that that was going to lead to constant atomic war, going to blow the world up.
We've only seen the bombs used twice.
Well, because it doesn't really benefit humanity.
This would benefit, I mean, people would feel like it would benefit their life.
The atomic bomb benefits belligerents at war.
Yeah, but come on.
Like, nobody wants to blow something, like, blow the planet up.
But people know that.
There are people who want that.
Yeah, but people know that it would end all life that they're moving on.
So if there's an artificial womb, a lot of people would feel of the benefit.
So I feel like a large percentage of the world would push towards that, so it would win out.
There are all sorts of, I mean, one, tactical nuclear weapons would not destroy the world, but let's hope people start using them.
But there are plenty of scientific advancements that we curtail.
We could clone people, I think, pretty simply.
It's not successful.
Well, it's illegal in most places.
It's been for a long time, like for 20 years already, so nothing.
But we don't do it because it raises biology.
But okay, so what about the issue, like for example, you know, the whole genetic testing and then how you can edit genes.
Yeah, very bad.
Well, very bad, but what if you can edit out like a really crippling disease?
How would you feel about that?
Yeah, well, if you're talking about treatments in the womb, I could see a strong argument for that.
You have surgeries in the womb, things like that.
If you're talking about rewriting the code of life, that seems one, to use a very modern term, very ableist, you know, that you're trying to write out.
But like CRISPR technology has been already around for so long.
Like, I know it's not morally yet accepted, but if we keep going into that direction.
Because what's the problem with it?
Morally.
I agree with that.
I feel like that's a very bad enhancement for society.
I feel like it would be taken advantage of.
I feel like people would use it the wrong way.
And I don't think that's good that we're changing people's genetic code.
But you can also change it to prevent cancer and all of the bad diseases.
What different does it make?
That's the whole thing about you're playing God.
You're saying that you can.
So the person should die from cancer then.
So no more neurological advancements.
Advancements.
You can't say this is right and this is wrong and treat things differently and say you are the God who because you decide what is good and bad.
But when you get, when you have that, when people have that power and control in their hands, it can be taken the total wrong way and it's going to start getting capitalized off of people are going to be like, oh, well, now we can make us look better and cooler and like there's this and you can do that.
And it's just going to go down the wrong way.
So I'm going to change topics here.
Really quick, just kind of to lighten the mood, would you guys date a guy who wore a fedora?
No.
No, what is that?
No, not you, Brian.
No.
I'm just kidding, right?
Kiko?
You're not kidding.
Is this a good look for me?
Can you blink a couple more times?
No.
Would you guys date a dude?
This might actually be a trill B. I'm not sure if it's a fedora.
I don't think that's a fedora.
I don't like it.
It's a trilby.
It doesn't hit your head.
Yeah, it does.
I look like you're battling who had this hat.
You dated an Italian.
Italian guy who had this hat.
I don't care what you're talking about.
It looks like you're about to get your cane out and start tap dancing.
Super chats here.
We definitely got to get caught up on the soup chats.
I know.
Okay, let's see here.
We have, did we do, wait.
Shit, I'm kind of lost.
Do you want me to do stream labs?
Wait, I forgot where we were.
We'll do the stream labs a little bit later.
Let me do the regular soup chats first.
We got that one.
We got this one.
Okay, Sir Isaac Newton.
Thank you for the 50-man.
Brian, I love your show, and I watch and listen to your podcast even now during work.
Quick question for the ladies.
Would you date an Asian 5'3 average job making 50K a year, physically fit, and goes to the gym five times a week?
Really quick, if you guys want to.
Yes or no?
Kiko?
No.
Is it the height?
Yeah, like I'm 5'7, usually walking around in shoes that make me 5'10, and I just don't think we would really see eye to eye.
Okay?
Oh, M. Martin super chatted 200 years ago.
Thank you, Martin.
Thank you, Marquise.
Creation demands a creator.
Life, a life giver.
Design, a designer.
Science has tried to no avail to disprove the existence of God.
All that you experience and enjoy day to day cannot come into being accidentally through a random galactic explosion.
Feminism has made you a misotheist.
Oh, that's a good question.
Creator demands a creator.
Life of life giver.
Designer, designer.
Like, shut up.
Like, oh my God.
That wasn't his voice.
You know, that's just the computer.
No, I'm not even talking about that.
It didn't need the computer to say.
That's what it sounds.
Like, I feel like I'm like behind in like a little church from like 1850 or something.
Like, I don't know.
That's a church from like 350.
That's like basic church level stuff.
Designer deserves a designer.
Creation of creator.
Oh.
Designer designer.
If I were just like, hey, like, hey, Kiko, you know, two plus two equals four.
You'd be like, oh, here's Michael.
Two plus two equals four.
It's like just basic stuff, you know?
Well, probably, yeah, if you were telling me at 23 years old that two plus two equals four, yeah, I'd be like, well, that guy's just telling you basic stuff that a creation needs a creator.
Yeah, that's like, like, that's how terms and words usually work.
He's just using funny others to tell them how they work.
He's just saying basic stuff.
Basically, your life, yes.
But Michael deserves a mother.
Like, mother or a grandmother.
Like, yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you for using $200 to tell me that.
Maybe he thought you needed to hear it.
He could have just dropped the thing to Google, the Bible verse, for free in the comments.
Get some.
Okay.
So when you date the guy 5'3, 50K a month, but he gyms it.
No.
You can do it.
Yes or no is fine.
No.
Married.
Kiki?
No.
Ella?
No.
Whoa.
Oh, wow.
Sorry.
Sorry, bud.
Victoria.
It depends on personality.
Okay, that was profound.
All right, we have moral objection.
Thank you for the 50.
Going around and sleeping with every person you desire is not having your needs met.
It's fulfilling you hedonistic.
Excuse me.
It's fulfilling your hedonistic desires.
You know it's wrong, or you wouldn't be compelled to make excuses for it.
Hey, Moral, thank you for the 50 there.
G Zach.
Hey, oh, wait, hold on.
Actually, did we get.
Yo, G Zach, thank you for the 100 man.
Military vet fought in Afghan.
Afghanistan managed private planes.
Now for many celebrities, it's very sad to see the freedoms I fought for turned into a society being degraded like this.
Single parenthood or abortion.
Young women who can't understand the number one predictor of crime, which is fatherless homes.
Whoa.
Okay.
Yeah, I believe it's fatherless homes.
Yeah.
So men.
Or the lack of men.
So men are families.
Why do men walk away?
Well, you could make the argument that it's actually the single mothers that are raising.
So the women made them walk away.
That's what you're saying.
Well, we don't know the circumstances of what's happening.
So men not owning up to their responsibilities and leaving a child fatherless.
Got it.
Well, we have another contract.
Might take to a Detango sometimes.
Yeah.
In any case, Zach, thank you for your service and thank you for the big $100 super chat, man.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you, man.
Yo, Dinosaur D with the 55.
Poor Michael looks like he's descended into hell.
Run, buddy, run.
Because these suck you by will suck whatever hope you have left for humanity.
That is not fair at all.
These wonderful women are, and even you, lady, Miss, what is her name?
Ill.
Kiki.
Kiki.
Kiki and Kiko.
No, you're wonderful women.
And you're looking at virtue and truth and all these that you're taking it seriously.
It's fabulous.
If not in heaven, at least purgatory.
Cool.
All right, we have, yo, Mark Keese Martin.
Thank you for the 50 man.
Brian, thanks for protecting my anonymity with a bankrupt sandwich shop chain.
Is it out of business?
Maybe there's one like blockbuster that's still kicking.
My job is actually real estate and construction.
Congrats on 5K plus live viewers.
How much do we actually have right now?
We're just under 8,000.
Yeah, Martin, thank you so much, man.
Michael, nice to see you on the pod.
Appreciate your work.
Now flee Comifornia post haste.
I will.
I'll do that.
Okay, just as soon as I have a run.
We have David Ross.
Hey, thank you for the 50 man.
This conversation leaves me speechless.
Controlling words, controlling.
Don't talk about Michael like that.
That's a discerning, that's a discerning, discerning reader who understands a great number one best-selling book when he hears one.
Shots fired, by the way.
Okay, we have Igor Petrakov.
Thank you, man.
Thank you for the big support.
Long time listener of Daily Wire, but tend to skip up.
Oh, real nice.
You're a fan.
But look at the next one.
So now, now subbed.
Hats off to the 19-year-old girl in the middle.
Keep it right.
Keep it tight.
Which one?
Is that you, Sam?
I'm assuming, yeah.
She's a 19-year-old.
Okay.
All right.
Cool, cool.
All right.
Thanks, Igor.
Appreciate it.
Dakota B. Thank you, man.
This is for Mike Davis from Sunday.
Couldn't respond in time.
I'm sorry you lack the skills, man.
I'd suggest doing some research.
Ladies, how much of a green flag if a man knows what he's doing down there?
Green flag.
Is it a green flag if he is skilled in that department?
Yeah.
Kiko?
It's a plus.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not, I mean, it's not a bad thing, but I really don't want to answer that.
How about maybe let me frame it like this?
Is it a deal breaker if it's if he's bad at it or he doesn't do it?
How about that?
Wait, what?
If he won't go, we're talking specifically.
Come on.
Oh, we're talking about.
Is that cursing?
No, it's not just that it's crude.
It's like, why is anybody doing that?
Oh, going down there or not going down there?
I think that's what he was implying.
You're asking why are people going down there or why are people not going down there?
Yeah.
Yeah, wait.
I think you could probably infer from my reaction.
So going down there?
Wait, hold on.
Is this a whatever?
You're not a munch, Michael.
Do you know?
All right, listen.
I don't tell tales out of school or anything like that, but.
Well, I'm with you.
I'm with you.
Yeah.
Hell yeah, Michael.
I'm glad I didn't say anything.
Okay.
And do you expect to have your skin stick set up in return or not?
I'm going to pull up the catechism of the Catholic Church for just a second and tell you exactly what.
No, I'm going to pull up the catechism of Norm McDonald, who says, sex is a filthy thing that is obviously only meant for procreation.
Didn't you have a ho-face?
Hey, man.
When one is young and irresponsible, one is young and irresponsible.
It's good that you're in the right class, right?
So just deal breaker if he deal breaker.
If he doesn't go down, if he doesn't go down, deal breaker.
If he's bad at it, he can learn.
Okay.
That's a good way of putting it.
I wouldn't say he's like, won't go down.
I've been with people who won't go down.
So he's date then.
Yeah, I feel like it wouldn't.
I mean, like, I would talk to them, like, what's the reason?
And I'm not like earning for that.
But for some girls, if it is a deal breaker, good for them.
Like, I'm not going to say it's going to say it's a deal breaker, but like, it doesn't make sense in my head, I guess.
That a guy wouldn't.
If you were to please a guy like that, I feel like it should be both of them.
Okay, so reciprocity.
Okay, what about you?
I agree with that.
I don't know what to say.
Thank you.
You're the only reasonable one on the panel.
So I don't know what to say.
This is why would anybody have to do it?
Come on.
It is a dating podcast.
I mean, Victoria.
I personally don't like it, so I don't care.
Oh.
Okay.
So, Brian, you're not a munch either?
What is that?
You didn't munch it.
Do you see any ginger in his beard?
I don't know.
Oh.
Oh, it's a little ice.
Oh.
It's almost like a villain in that beard, Brian.
Yeah, just I got neck problems.
Like, I got an ice pack here.
Like, I got this ice pack.
He's playing different positions.
I'm going to set up for that punch.
What would you do?
No, I actually do ice mine.
Do you expect, like, for her to supply it?
I mean, if there's things when it comes to there are things when it comes to sex that perhaps your partner likes that you don't and vice versa.
And I don't think it has to be a tit-for-tat thing or almost a vindictive thing.
Oh, well, if you won't do it, then I then I won't.
Just me personally, my personal thing is my personal thing, you know, because, well, for a variety of reasons, and you know, I'm just saying.
What are there a variety of reasons?
Do you feel like you date women who aren't clean down there?
Like, what would be the reason?
Do you feel like you're not attracted to the vulva once it's up close in your face?
I'm a fan.
Hold on.
First off, I'm just wondering what the issue would be.
I'm a labia.
By the way, Michael, I apologize.
That's what's silly.
Yeah, for somebody who advocates for large labias, you don't seem like you're too fond of them, right?
I'm a fan of large labias.
My DMs are open.
I'm just, look, here's the thing.
I apologize, Michael.
This is haram.
Hold on.
Haram!
This is haram.
Yeah.
Just, you know, not my favorite activity, you know?
There's a great Sopranos episode about this.
Yeah.
For Uncle June, he says, no.
Yes.
That's not what a man does.
Yes.
That's not what a man does.
That's what Uncle June says.
These are quoting sopranos.
So you are a feminine man.
A feminine man.
No, that's.
Actually, speaking of the sopranos, hold on.
I just saw a comment.
The coach goes, Michael is in hell now.
He was in purgatory.
Now you've made it all the way.
I don't like that kind of talk.
I have that ready to go.
Oh!
Gabago.
And I don't think, what was that?
What was Uncle Junior saying?
Michael, you never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Michael.
Yeah, I know.
Now I'm just going to have to become a Don.
There you go.
You're going to have to get into the racketeering and protection business.
Is that racist?
Because you're a talent.
I think I'm canceling X after you.
Okay, so did you guys really want my reasons on this?
No, I just feel like if you're not a munch, ladies don't want you.
What's wrong?
See, and it's thing, it's like, that's not even a big thing for me.
Like, I don't even really, like, that's not even something I really crave like that.
But it would just make me question, like, if you were so against it.
Yeah, why not?
Like, are we sure we're straight?
Are we sure we like women?
Are we sure?
I agree.
Sometimes people say something wrong with me.
If something's wrong with me, why are you still sleeping with me?
Yeah, like, why are you so opposed?
Like, why can you put your pain in it, but not your face?
Like, what's why is that?
There's different.
So it's more of a personal insecurity thing, is what you're saying.
Probably it would be on the end.
I think it would be like a thing in my mind.
Like, why?
Why not?
If you're like, girlfriend didn't want to look at your friend.
Your little friend.
If your comfort didn't want to look at your friend.
Your little friend?
Like, if she was.
Average.
What if she was like, what if she was ever?
I don't want to look at it.
Like, don't show it to me.
Would you like to see it?
I enjoyed looking.
It's more just.
So you just like get up close and stare at it and then you just don't do anything with it?
You just be like, let me see it.
All right, let's put it away.
Yeah.
So Kiko, you said, okay, so Kiko, you said that, is it a, oh, you're saying, well, you're willing to do actual intercourse, but you're not willing to do that.
And actually, I don't know if you said.
You said you're okay having sex, but you wouldn't.
Yeah, yeah.
So actually Chris Rock, his new special on Netflix, he brought this up.
He was saying how he would be prepared to, preemptively, I want to apologize, Michael.
He would say that he would eat ass.
He would eat ass, but you like the same night with a girl, but he would not hold hands with her.
And it's an interesting thing.
Oh, man, that's profound.
It's an interesting culture.
But there's this interesting thing when it comes to intimacy.
People will do all very quickly after meeting someone, all sorts of, you know, sex or whatever, eating ass, whatever.
Sorry, Michael.
But like to actually hold hands or something, that would be too much.
So it's sort of in that same vein.
I guess my big qualm with it, and perhaps this is related to being in California, is in today's, in the dating landscape, you have to almost assume going in that when you're first meeting someone, they're sleeping with someone else.
You said that you're going on dates with guys, but you're currently sleeping with someone else.
We've had, and that's tame compared to other women.
We've had girls on the show that say they're currently sleeping.
They have, it was two shows ago, or three shows ago, the girl said she's got one main, a main side hoe.
No, excuse me.
A main hoe, and then four side hoes that she's all sleeping with.
That's five guys.
But not all girls are like that.
Five guys.
No, not all women are like that.
However, it does seem to be, at least in California and perhaps a lot of Western countries, that you almost have to assume going in, it's more likely than not that when you're even just going on the first date with someone, they're probably sleeping with someone else.
And so for me, it's just I would not feel comfortable for you.
So what about like it's your girlfriend's original?
You know that it's not sleeping with other people.
So like that's why like I say it's that's like the thing you're bringing up earlier, like it's the whole like intimacy thing.
Like I mean me personally I wouldn't sleep with anyone unless I knew them, but like you know you can use condoms at first.
I mean maybe some people are using yes yes like you're gonna be using condoms and stuff at first.
That's why like the first time I'm sleeping with somebody nothing fellatio of the sort is gonna be happening.
That's a next level thing because I don't think anyone's going down with some dental dams or I feel like you wouldn't really want to know.
Is that Italian by the way?
Fallatio?
Dental dams.
I think Latin.
Are you Italian?
I've heard Latin fetus before.
So a lot of Latin words keep cropping up.
I just wonder, doesn't, I don't want to sound like a prude, because I'm really not a prude, or maybe I've become a prude much more than I used to be.
But isn't it all just so gross?
Isn't it just so extremely gross to think about the five dudes and the right?
It's all just better each other.
Why are you thinking about the dudes?
Wait, wait, hold on.
Well, yeah, because he's put it in my head.
He's just sleeping around.
You know, the girl with the five boyfriends and the this and you're going to be able to do that.
That's why you just go around and give me friends.
Yeah, that's why you don't do it what you do with someone who you're in a relationship with.
That's like, I think that's way different.
But isn't, like, let's say the most traditional thing would be you don't do any of this stuff and then you get married and then you do appropriate sexual behaviors with your spouse.
And then the extreme on the other end is you're doing all sorts of weird stuff, putting things in the wrong places with like five guys at a time.
And then which is very haram.
Like clearly that's gross and the other, the good one is like good and wholesome.
Can there be a balance?
Is there not somewhere in the middle of the balance between good and gross?
Why wouldn't you just go for the good?
There's not black and white again.
I think you have intercourse with Isaac and your husband a good time.
What's going on?
Wait, sir.
No, continue your finisher.
Oh, Zentience is the same.
We're over the world of cells.
A human being is a parasite, being in healthcare and having witnessed the mass suffering and death of thousands.
The only parasites I have seen are the vacuous, pecculent, materialistic, hall-gaping more that is the modern woman, just like this panel.
Gents, focus on yourselves.
It's like, do they just open up like a thesaurus or like something and just like type in like one word, like anti-woman word, and just keep like listing them?
That was poetic.
Maybe that's why that guy's along.
I guess he doesn't like that.
That's why he has enough time to watch four-hour podcasts.
Let me just say, though, shouldn't you be like promoting women?
I think he is a woman.
I think he's been very pro-women this whole time.
I've said it's Michael and the girls against Brian and Rich and all the rest.
But you don't want to just simp and be like, oh, girls, whatever you're doing is great.
No, it's gross.
It's so gross.
Dude, maybe there's a certain extent where it's close, but like she said, it's not black and white.
It is black and white.
Most things are fairly black and white.
No, most things are not fairly black and white.
Most things are on a spectrum of things.
Most things are like, there's an array.
It's not just one or the other.
But if it's a spectrum, then the spectrum presumably would go from one extreme to the other.
And if we're talking about the same thing, it's like wrong and like beautiful and ugly and like good and bad, then the clear answers are on the extremes.
No.
You think the extreme is the way to go for each thing?
We're saying right now, you've got a spectrum, right, between like true and false, good and bad.
Okay, so like a spectrum of sex, and there's different sexes.
There's like a good wholesome.
But like waiting for marriage, no context, no life experience.
Like saying just like there's true and false, human behavior is so like has such a range and so many different people and like backgrounds and parenting.
Like that goes into all that.
There can't just be a right and wrong for everything, a black and white for everything.
There is though.
I don't know why.
I disagree.
I mean, it's just the same thing with there should be a separation between children.
I want to put that.
Yeah, there shouldn't.
I mean, I agree.
Do you live strictly by Catholic law?
Yeah.
I try to.
I mean, I probably fail all the time, but I try to.
Speaking of Laddin, Deus Wolt?
Deus Volt.
Don't pronounce it.
All the moderns want to do it the German way, but you've got to do it like a good Italian.
How do you?
Deus Volt.
It's with a V, because I've heard it's pronounced with a, it's like a W.
Yeah, that's what all the like.
Is that wrong weirdos say?
Yeah, because if that's true, then Julius Caesar said Wenny Weedy Wiki, which is obviously.
Veni Viti Viji, baby.
Oh, that sounds better.
Yeah, yeah.
That sounds better.
Okay, so Deus Volt.
Can we get some Deus Volt in the chat, boys?
What is this?
I want to spam it.
It's God wills it.
It was a chant during the Crusades.
So you were saying, the Zentience comments kind of interrupted what you were saying, though.
But so you were saying, I'm seeing this one guy, I'm hooking up with this one guy, but I'm also dating these other guys.
You were in the middle of saying something.
Do you recall what that was?
I think it was about the black and white, what we just got to.
Okay.
I guess I'll take my, like, sort of, I don't mean to sound like a church marm or anything, but I'm saying if you got, you were all describing all these weird sexual behaviors, right?
And you're saying there is a spectrum, and on the spectrum, let's go from the one end, it's the most trad, like, wholesome thing where it's just you and your husband, and you've got this good life, right?
And then on the other end, it's you with like seven dudes and a chihuahua, and I don't know, like all this weird stuff going on.
Right.
And so on that spectrum, that spectrum is actually just like good, normal, flourishing, For you, for you.
For everybody, for all of human history.
So you're deciding that?
No, I'm just looking at history and I'm looking at also philosophy and looking at all of that.
I feel like there's been a lot of terrible things that have happened in history.
So why are you looking back at history?
I mean, for a long time, that's always been good, but now we have a different look on love.
Personally, I don't think hookup culture is great, but a lot of guys will not commit.
So you don't want to.
But can't you make them?
Like, you know, not to be off as clingy.
Like, do you know how many people?
These modern women aren't.
Modern women hate accountability, especially when it comes to having consistent morals and ethics.
Things are black and white.
It's whether you decide to see it or not.
Sam God.
I think men also hate accountability because, like, we say that we pulled out the stats.
Men are leaving their kids, and that is the main problem with the world today.
Thank you.
Well, there was something roughly.
Okay, so let's say you're saying, okay, there were bad things in the past, and now things, not everything's perfect, but some things are better.
But we're talking about the change that happened with women's lib, right?
Basically, the modern feminist stuff, which says we're going to break up the family, we're going to easier divorce, women can go hook up, do whatever you want.
And the thing that's weird about this is if you look at all the studies on all happiness surveys, which again, take it with a grain of salt, but it's all you've got on these sociological numbers.
Since that all went into effect, the hookup culture and abortion and feminism and all the rest, women have become less happy.
Everybody's become less happy, but women have become especially less happy, even relative to men.
So wouldn't you have to look at that at the last 70 years of feminism and say, huh?
How would you know women are becoming less happy?
Aren't men more likely to do suicide now than women?
Like, aren't men mental health is more higher in men?
So higher issues.
Yeah, everybody is getting less happy.
And there is a spike in suicides, especially among older white men and drug overdoses as well.
But if you measure happiness, which again is a very difficult thing to do, but you just take people's measures of happiness, both men and women have declined, but women have declined faster rates since the 70s.
Because we'll live on the internet.
Probably.
Everything is still on the internet.
I mean, you'll be able to do that.
If you watch the TV, you think you're going to die.
I don't know.
Maybe because, like, do we know it's directly caused because of feminism?
I mean, I think studies are all fake anyway.
If you look at all of these happiness surveys, such as they are, the big change that happened in the relations between men and women is the advent of feminism, and it made women completely miserable.
Probably because they became more eye-opened and realized, whoa, my life is shit when you do something like that.
That's exactly what happened.
What they would do, in the New York radical women's groups, these happy women who had good husbands and families would show up happy.
I'm not even joking.
And they would go through these struggle sessions and they would raise their consciousness and they would leave miserable.
And this happened again and again at these meetings.
And that's what happened to the whole society over the last 60 years.
Wait, isn't this the same thing as the majority?
Ignorance is bus.
Yeah, I feel like they were ignorant before.
They opened their eyes from the nutrients or whatever, whatever those pills were.
That's what the feminists say.
But no, I think they actually were much better adjusted to reality before.
And then they were told a bunch of lies by the feminists about their women.
Before when they weren't controlling their own lives and everything was dictated by their husband.
Yeah, before when they believed that men and women are complementary and actually made for one another and that actually we have responsibilities and obligations and not just entitlements to do whatever the hell we want.
And then after they went to the struggle sessions with all the feminists, they were told a lie, which is that men and women are not complementary, but they're indiscernible, basically identical.
Woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.
And they were told a lie that they would be much more fulfilled not working for the good of their husband and children, but instead going out and he's a guy who doesn't care about them at all so they can work at a job at the widget farm.
That they don't need women, that women are like a fish, they can have many women.
Men are told the same exact thing.
Yeah, no, and that unfortunately is a product of feminism that's affected men too.
And it's just all a bunch of beings.
But I feel like that was before feminism.
I feel before it was just men.
Yes, men, men could cheat.
Oh my wife, because we're allowed sex without marriage.
That's why people don't want to marry anymore.
Okay, I understand hookup culture is a problem, but when there wasn't hookup culture, men were allowed and they had this freedom to cheat on their wives and to get away with that.
There were more, and even laws against adultery in foreign cases.
Yeah, but no one would care.
They would just turn a blind eye.
No one would.
Depends what you mean by no one.
I mean, sure, men have been paying for all of human history.
Hold on just a sec, guys.
But you're forgetting that it is the woman's fault for making a baby with him.
Since you argue that women are the final decision makers of intercourse, women bear the responsibility of it.
It's her fault.
So abortion.
No, no, no.
It's her fault for him deciding to leave his kid.
How would you say that?
No, no, no, I want to stay for his kid.
It's the moment you decide to agree to sex and have sex with somebody, you have to accept the fact that you can have a baby with that man just as you are hooking up with somebody with him all time.
It's not to also accept the responsibility that he's having a kid as well.
So isn't it a two-person thing you said you're having the baby too?
It's also, I mean, if you're really trad, like you think that men have a leadership responsibility.
And so really you would blame the men even more.
The same way that Eve eats the apple, right?
The serpent goes up to Eve, says, eat the apple, Eve eats the apple, but it's still Adam's fault.
It's not very feminist, but that's the way it goes in the book.
Well, I'm not really just saying that.
We're heading back to the trillion thing that none of us are going to agree on.
I think it's the fault of both men and women.
Yeah, I think it's the way that our society is right now.
I'm kind of living in the world.
I'm not a little bit better.
I have a sister that's 10 years younger, and I'm horrified.
I feel so bad for her.
She's because she's growing up in this world where, well, first of all, you grow up on the internet and there's a lot of toxic things you see.
Then, yeah, like the hookup culture doesn't help.
So, how do we solve this problem?
Well, you have to eliminate feminism, actually.
Because I remember thinking when I was in college, I thought the way the hookup culture worked, I thought these women had convinced themselves that they were empowered by sleeping with women.
Well, the definition of feminism changed.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's different than feminism.
The feminism initially is that there's a different kind of equality.
There's equality of pay that should be allowed.
There's nothing wrong against paying the same amount of money to people performing the same kind of job on the same position.
We are talking about the wage gap now.
We're just all over the place.
That is part of a feminist.
No, it is elite.
There's different spectrums of feminism.
The feminist we are talking about is the one who said that somebody has enslaved women and then somebody came in the 70s or 80s and sexually liberated them so now we can slip around and do whatever we want because it's going to make us happier.
That's not the thing that I would call feminism.
Like, I'm for, like, I want for gender roles.
Like, I don't want men to like, I rape.
I have a lot of gender.
Like, I'm not going to go fight in war, but I want to do my womanly duties, whatever it will be.
But I also agree that, you know, we should support men and men should support women.
And you agree with gender roles, too.
I agree with what she said at the end, but she's from post-Soviet countries.
That's why.
She's from Armenia, from Ukraine.
I just don't think that way more than the Americans go to war.
It's not about gender.
I don't think it's about gender roles.
I feel like, yeah, and since some are gendered, but I feel like it's more about delegating tasks to whoever best completes them in the relationship.
You are unique to the relationship.
Think some men and women tend to be more inclined towards certain things than maybe, yeah, like maybe I'll probably be better at some things that we'll do with our child and such.
But I know my boyfriend's a way better cook than me, and he honestly does a way better job at being clean while cooking than I probably ever will.
Maybe a few years we'll get the same skill, but he's also way better at killing spiders than I am.
He's also better at lifting weights or telling somebody off than I am.
So, yeah, some of those things are gendered, but I also think it just comes down to some things he does better than me.
And that happens to be stereotypical.
What about when you have relationships that are women and women or men and men?
Like, what if you're not going to get?
Yeah.
I mean, we can talk about all these things.
I love women and women right now.
Hold on, let's get back to the soup chats.
Lane with the 50.
Hey, thank you, man.
Michael, you and Ben are goats.
Thank you for being a source of common sense.
Brian, get Chase on the show more.
Yeah, Chase, definitely down to have Chase back on.
He's been on a couple shows.
He's got a super busy schedule.
And I think he's mentioned this on his Twitter.
He's dealing with some health issues.
So he has some, it's tough.
It's sometimes tough for him to gather the energy.
Girl with arm tattoo, do you still think it's not gay for a guy to have sex with another biological guy just because he identifies as a woman?
What?
It was a little convoy.
What do you believe?
You think it's not gay for a man to do those sorts of things with another man?
If he considers himself a woman.
Wait, what?
Oh, it's the transgender thing.
You think it's not gay if a man does that sort of thing with a man who says he's transgender.
Yeah, it says there, Matt.
Okay, so can we?
I'm giving context because you tried to throw me the best.
Oh, should we play the video?
Should we love to watch the video?
Just so there's context.
Eric, you're going to have to pull up the Twitter.
Wait, I'm excited to see this one.
Just pull it up, pull up the whatever Twitter.
I'm not.
Don't show it yet until you have the video ready to go.
But while we do that, let me read a couple soup chats here.
Okay, where are we?
Here we go, guys.
Here we go.
Yo, Joker, thank you for the 50 Euro, man, bro.
I'm sorry, but Jiu-Jitsu and Krav Magan, not the same thing.
I said it's Jiu-Jitsu.
That's very different.
No, it's not J-U.
Saying Jiu Jitsu.
It's the IEE.
What's up, Eric?
Yeah.
Is it on one of the tabs?
It's Twitter.
Twitter.com slash whatever.
It is one of the tabs.
It's just the Twitter tab.
But you are going to have to scroll down a little bit to find it.
Okay, we have Joker with a 50 Euro.
Damn, guys can't answer on the chat, and I'm French, so I didn't get the joke.
Sorry.
Wait, he's.
I wonder.
I speak a little bit of French.
Eh bien joker merci boucou pour 50 euro.
C'est c'est vremont tour vement génial.
C'estri bien sa.
Merci boucou, monsieur jocour.
Moi es ma pème.
Je pa pale.
You are the one for me for my wife in French.
Wife.
Et pous.
Et pousse.
God damn it.
Ma femme.
Tetom, would you like a vous levous couché avec mois sewie?
No.
All right.
Okay.
RIPs in the chat for me, boys.
Okay, so we have, were you able to snag it, Eric?
Yeah, I love it.
Okay, let me just read this one and then we'll pull that up.
Ryan, the Eating Warrior.
Thank you for the 50, man.
Appreciate it.
Solid beard there, bro.
My wife's Catholic and claimed to not believe in divorce five years later.
She's the one that wanted the divorce after I came back from a deployment.
That seems super common when people are deployed in the military.
She had an affair.
Yikes, don't get married kings.
Guys over a certain age don't understand the realities.
Tough.
That's kind of the concept of driving a car.
Like, you know, there's a lot of accidents, but you still drive a car.
That's a good analogy.
Yeah.
What?
Okay.
Good analogy.
Really good.
Hey, Eric, can you is it ready?
Oh.
Yeah.
Is it play from the start?
Oh, whoa.
Yeah, that's fine.
Chase, would you rather smash the hottest trans woman in the world or the oldest woman in the world?
Honestly, bro, the oldest woman in the world, because then I wouldn't be gay.
You really just want me to just fucking name.
Are you like, Chase, how dare you be transphobic?
Yes, actually.
What the fuck do you mean?
Yes, that was.
Because if I had sex with a trans woman, I'd be having sex with a biological man.
And I don't want to do that.
The question is, that's not what you said, though.
That's fine.
Because I'd be gay if I had sex with you.
That's not gay.
That's not gay.
And I don't care if you're doing this for like whatever, but like, shut the fuck up, actually.
I'm doing this.
I know.
I do that anymore.
Why don't you make me fucked up?
Because I have an opinion that differs from yours.
Oh, that's not going to be apart.
She's right.
I mean, that's really hateful, bro.
She's not.
It would technically be homosexual.
A trans woman is a biological man.
I want to meet you.
I also know that she's a man.
It's not fucked up.
It's real.
That's true.
Okay, if you guys want to respect gender identities, that's his, though.
That's his sexuality.
Any opinions you want, but I'm not allowed to say that.
I'm not allowed to say that.
Yes, from a biological woman who doesn't even have any trans friends, that thumbs too fucking far.
A man of God who doesn't judge a Christian?
Yeah.
You know what God said?
It said he made the man and woman.
He made the man and woman.
He actually said man, woman, and pass on that.
Thanks, though.
No, he said male and female created you, then.
So them.
So there's them.
Just stay them.
No, the them refers to the men and the women.
No, but he said them, so it's like they, them.
But he's referring to both of them.
But he said them.
So he's like saying man created men and women in them.
So he's.
No, no, no.
In the beginning, God created man.
Both male and female created he, them.
Them.
Yeah, these are the types of feminists.
While other countries are planning to invade us with debating they, them.
I mean, when you refer to multiple people, you say them, right?
Or you could be referring to their thems.
It's singlish.
They, thems don't exist.
I hate to break it down.
I've met some.
It's crazy.
You've met very confused men and sometimes very confused women, but you have never met.
Most non-binary people I meet are women, not men.
Yeah.
Just gonna put that out.
Really, why do you think that is?
Maybe because they don't have to face the consequences of all their friends being jackasses.
A woman coming out as non-binary probably will have a friend group that will accept her more than a man coming out as non-binary.
Oh, I thought you were saying the women get into this stuff because they're really messed up or something more than the men are.
But you're saying that this is a real category of being, and it's just the men are afraid to admit it.
You can't seriously believe that.
I do believe there's people who are, I don't know if it's ambiguous or what it is.
There's people who were born in their wrong gender.
There's people who are born and they don't feel like they fit in either box.
Do I think people are born that believe they're cats and stuff?
No, I don't believe that shit.
No.
There are people who think that, though.
Okay, I'm saying, no, I don't.
I'm not saying that's correct, but I haven't seen anything to back that up.
But I just.
So the fact that you guys, why, in what, in anyone's right mind, would somebody go from, like Bruce Jenner, for example, Caitlin Jenner now, for example.
Did you just successful athlete, Olympian, whatever, all this stuff.
He was a Wheaties box.
Was married to Chris Jenner, had the fucking life of whatever.
Unless she truly believed that and felt that deep inside of her core.
She ultimately ruined her life for basically a whole decade.
He became much more relevant and famous than he was.
I highly, highly doubt that.
He was on magazine covers.
Everybody was talking about.
She's been on magazine covers.
She's an Olympian.
She's not on transportation.
He was an Olympian many decades ago.
No, exactly.
He was on a magazine cover for the first time in decades.
But after she came out as transgender, she got way more hate.
Exactly.
And she got a lot of people.
The only thing worth being talked about is not being transformed.
But she probably made more money.
No, she's not.
Okay, well, take away.
But the rest of the reason is that you're not going to be able to take away Caitlin Jenner.
Okay, no, hold on, hold on.
Put on your basic day-to-day person, okay?
You're not going to like this one.
Okay.
No, not you.
You, for example, okay?
There's people like you who are super conservative, right in their views and stuff, and then they wake up and they want to be a woman.
But is it because they just woke up and wanted to be a woman or is it because they finally found the courage to come out with something they've been suppressing their whole lives?
I just don't understand why you guys think somebody would risk.
Yes, I'm sure some people can benefit from coming out as trans, but most people do not benefit from that.
So why would somebody risk their whole livelihood, not even just career, but literally trans, especially black people?
Because they have a sexual fetish.
Also, why does it bother you?
I feel like why does it bother people?
Because it isn't true.
But why does it always be harming you?
It's not hurting anyone.
Well, it is harming society.
So do you go around fighting people who think the world's flat?
Do you go around?
You're like, you're harming society.
Well, because in the case of transgenderism and this ridiculous idea that men can secretly be women and vice versa, there are very practical effects that we see.
Like, for instance, if we accept this.
It's pushed onto children.
Yeah, well, it's obviously pushed onto children.
We're castrating children left and right, which is insane.
But also, if we accept transgenderism at all, even for one single adult person, that means that certain things will change in society.
Women don't get to have a child.
Maybe things need to change.
Women don't get to have.
Well, perhaps, but at least one could have the debate.
Women don't get to have their own bathrooms.
Women don't get to have their own sports teams.
Women don't get to have their own specific rights and places in society.
Protections and civil rights law, they lose that because some men can say that they're women.
So it seems to me the obvious question to ask is not, well, what does it matter to you?
Who really cares?
First of all, the people pushing this seem to care a lot.
But the question to ask is, is it true?
Are these men who say that they're women actually women, or are they men who are confused or who have weird sexual fetishes or have disordered desires?
Gender-wise, they are.
Biologically, they're not.
What's the difference?
The difference is like science, and then the other difference is like how you feel in your head and the way you are in society.
There's a huge difference.
The difference is like the chromosomes and then your mentality.
Okay, so if there's a disagreement between what you're saying is your physical self and your emotional self, your psychological self, then why would you not just change your mind?
If the options are chop up your body to make your go through gruesome surgeries.
If you're living with your mind for your whole life and you understand like, oh, I've been trying to change it.
Like she said, most people are repressing it and are trying to change it, but they just can't.
So why would I, this is something physical that I can easily go change instead of trying to retrain your thought process over and over and over and over.
But it's like it's because they'd rather be dead.
They would rather be dead than live in the lie anymore.
If you bring up like suicidality, there is no evidence that having these surgeries and pretending to be the opposite sex reduces any of that whatsoever.
So the first thing that's going to be.
Because there's always going to be, because there's going to be, yeah, there's going to be dysphoria forever, especially from people like you guys going on the internet.
No, it's from themselves because they know you bashing them every day.
That's my whole thing.
I'm not bashing anybody.
I'm not saying you.
Okay, maybe I shouldn't say maybe Chase.
Because the whole thing, because I didn't even get to speak on the, since we're going to go back to that, the video I got played, right?
If Chase, if you don't want to sleep with a trans woman, that is your prerogative.
I don't give a fuck what you want to do.
That is your preference.
That does not make you transphobic at all.
But to get up on a podcast that has almost 4 million viewers and to say that any man who chooses to sleep with a trans woman is now taking part in homosexual gay activities, I feel like that is wrong.
I feel like that is hateful.
And for somebody who claims to be so religious, so God, new, born-again, virgin, Christian, I think that's very hateful of you.
If you want to say, I personally wouldn't do that, that's not for me, then that's your thing.
Answer the question.
That's how you do it.
It's a step further.
Is it hateful to say that a man can't really secretly be a woman?
I'm saying it's hurtful to say that sleeping, for any man to sleep.
The first question you have to answer is not sleeping.
I'm talking about what happened on the podcast.
No, but I'm referring to that.
I'm picking up on his point.
The question is: what is a trans woman?
And so what Chase would say and what I would say and what everybody throughout all of human history until five minutes ago would say is that a trans woman is just a man who is pretending to be a woman.
So I'm the only one who thinks this in the world.
Jordan Leonard.
No, she's not.
A lot of people are saying it now, but it's you're historically speaking, yes.
Statistically, 0% of people ever have thought that a man wearing their cultures were there.
What about the femme boys in Thailand that have existed for decades and decades and decades and decades ago?
There's this third living thing in certain cultures, like a modern person.
So you don't erase them then.
You're erasing them.
That's what we try to erase religion.
If I could be like, oh, well, there's some people who believe in this one ancient thing called the Bible.
Yeah, some of them were enrolled with him.
But even when you're talking about this weird species of prostitute in Thailand, weird species of prostitute.
You don't understand how that sounds.
You're not.
That sounds precise.
A weird species.
So now we're not human.
So back to the board.
A species in the technical term.
I'm just saying, well, if you're going to be.
Let him explain.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's a type.
So even there's this weird phenomenon in Thailand, for example, where there are these guys.
That a lot of American men go to.
Yeah, well, then they probably shouldn't do that.
But the reason that that is different is because it's not, those people are not saying, I am really a woman.
That's a weird, bizarre cultural carve-out that exists in Thailand.
The difference here is, and what you are saying, is that a man who puts on a dress, puts on a wig, chops his body up, calls himself a woman, is actually a woman.
And I just don't see how you could believe that that is true.
So she has a vagina, shit, probably fucking tighter than mine, double D racks, hair down to the fucking ass, looks like a woman, talks like a woman, does everything besides menstruate and can give birth.
What is separating her between the women who are infertile, who can't have birth, or a woman after menopause, or the woman who never get their period.
So physically.
Are they not women either?
Physically speaking, one, those are pretty big differences.
And there are other differences too in terms of their bone density and the shape of their own.
Oh, yeah, because you're going to be able to do it.
But also, there's chromosomal differences, which is that that woman, as you call it, still chromosomally is a man.
And then beyond that, are you actually saying that women are just their bodies?
That's true.
That a woman is nothing more than.
Are you saying a woman is just her chromosomes?
She's nothing more than just her chromosome.
I don't think a woman is much more than all of that.
That actually is.
Me too.
That's why I'm saying that.
But not just from the woman.
If she feels since the day she was woke up in this.
That's what I'm saying.
Yes, and that person woke up the first day of their conscience since they can remember, they remember their soul being a woman or a man or whatever.
Well, that's not true.
That's usually a sexy person.
So do you believe people aren't gay either then?
Do you believe nobody's gay and they just do it for attention and to say I am gay means that I have an attraction to a member of the same sex.
Okay, I'm just clarifying because a lot of people who usually do this this trans argument are also nobody denies that certain people have different sexual attractions.
In fact, people deny it all the time, actually.
They say it's a choice that they're choosing to do that.
They're not going to be able to do that.
Well, they're certainly choosing to engage in certain behaviors.
They're choosing to engage because it's your biological driven.
No, you can suppress your own desires.
I have all sorts of desires that are repressed.
Yes, you can suppress your own desires, but why should somebody get a delicious hard seltzer voice?
Yes, you can suppress your own desires, but why should somebody have to suppress if it's two legal consenting adults?
Why should somebody have to suppress that just because we have obligations to reality and to the truth?
What's the reality?
The reality is we're not a man.
We're not a woman.
That's the reality.
The reality is that a man in a dress is not a man.
Or is not a woman.
Okay, but I was trying to get away from this.
The whole thing goes back to where it's called transgender and not trans sex.
Like, you can't change your sex.
To the down to the bottom of it, your chromosomes are going to be your chromosomes.
But they're changing their gender.
And gender is a man-made thing.
It's something that we've created.
We've created genders and gender roles in our society.
We did not create sex.
Yes, there's men and female.
That goes back to science or God, whatever you like to say.
If gender is man-made, then you're saying it's artificial.
It's not real.
It's not real.
Oh, okay, so then who cares?
Exactly.
So why do you care?
Oh, well, so if it's not real, then the trans woman is just a man.
For you, maybe.
And for her, she's a woman.
I think gender is real.
And I don't think it should bother you, and I don't think it should get all these little incel men angry about it.
I think the issue is that this whole conversation, it makes the male role, right?
It kind of creates the more, I don't know.
I just think the whole argument about gender, it's so pushed out into our society.
I don't think it's like this in the rest of the world right now.
There's so many other issues.
The rest of the world knows what men and women have 62 different genders.
It's kind of insane.
I mean, I don't want to, I'm not hateful towards anyone.
I think as long as you're a good person, you can do whatever you want.
I just don't like that it's pushed onto children because a lot of people that are getting these surgeries, they regret it.
And then a lot of children that are put onto hormones, it really messes with your...
And also, obviously, this is something that is brand new to our society and there needs to be a lot more research done and more understanding about it.
And there needs to be laws done.
So I understand, I don't think kids should be getting their parts changed.
But I guess my question is, why?
They have to be 18.
That's already in place.
No, no, no, that's not the transition process can start much younger than that.
Hormones, yes, but they in America.
Yeah, but in America, you cannot get surgery before the age of 18.
But they can put you on some hormones.
Legally, you cannot get surgery.
Yeah, because the laws are somewhat ambiguous.
They can cut your grandma.
Yeah, they can.
But I used to teach a lot, and just from experience, and I don't know much, so I don't want to say too much.
No, you're right about almost everything.
I'm very impressed with that.
Like, right and wrong.
Don't tell me.
Oh, I'm telling you.
I don't care.
You can tell me no, but you're right about these things.
No, I used to teach a lot of kids, right?
And a lot of kids I noticed that have a lot of these gender issues, and then they wear their gender on their sleeve, and then they're like, I'm gay, or, you know, like they, they're very, like, they tend to have depression.
They're very, like, I feel like they need support and help, not just in the gender department where people are pushing them, oh, maybe you should be gay, or maybe you should do this.
Like, there's much more.
I had a girl come up to me, I was giving a speech, and she said, hey, Michael, thanks for speaking out on the transgender thing, because I had gender dysphoria, and she was young.
I mean, this girl was a teenager.
And she said, I gender dysphoria, and my psychologists were starting to push me down this path of transition.
That's wrong.
I believe that's right.
Well, she said, luckily, I had good parents and a good priest, and they said, you're not actually a boy.
And guess what happened?
She kept going to see psychologists.
They figured out that actually she had undiagnosed autism.
So they started treating her autism.
And what do you know?
Her gender dysphoria greatly abated.
Now it's basically a lot of people.
It all starts.
It goes back to good family.
Exactly.
And because I've been teaching in San Francisco since 2016, so I've seen a lot of how that affects kids.
I teach kids all the way from TK through high school.
So yes, there is definitely a correlation between the two, but it's typically because those kids, you know, depression can be something that's brought onto you from your environment, or it could be something that's just a chemical imbalance in your brain.
It doesn't have to be from a situation of devoted.
But usually, usually, a lot of these times is why there's this correlation is because they find that the LGBTQ community or whatever is more accepting.
So they think, oh, just because my friends that I choose to hang out with are gay and stuff means I must be.
Yes, that's a problem.
Yes, they shouldn't be able to just now go to their therapist and say, I want to now change my hormones for sure.
That's why I don't, you know, in that situation, it was a priest, but in a lot of cases, it's usually another therapist intervention.
I'm sure you can, in some places, it's easy, but I don't have any trans friends personally, but I've watched a lot of experiences online.
It is not easy to just go through these surgeries.
You have to get documents from family, friends, therapists, psychiatrists, everything.
It's not just you go, you wake up one day and say, okay, I'm a boy.
They're going to give you hormones.
They're going to chop off and do this.
That's not how it works.
I talked to a girl who, that is actually exactly what happened.
She walked into a Planned Parenthood.
She said she had gender dysphoria and she wanted to receive testosterone.
And she was able to receive that prescription very quickly.
Testosterone hormones, it's a lot easier because, well, unless you're prepurvescent, most of the things, not all of them are reversible, because especially testosterone, it's not all reversible.
But with those things, I could see how it is easier because it is a hormone because just how those things are given out for other situations besides just trans.
The problem, I guess, is this, which is if you really believe, as you say, that for some people, some people are faking it, right?
And some people think they're a cat and they're not, obviously they're not a cat.
But for some people, I don't know who these people are, there are really men who are secretly somehow women and therefore they should transition to become women.
So the question is, at what point were they the wrong sex?
It's from the moment of birth, right?
They were born that way.
So if they were born that way, then why wouldn't we trans the kids?
Because that's the whole thing is how can a child be so certain they have to grow into those emotions and feelings.
I thought they knew from the, you just said they knew from the beginning.
Yes.
They've known from the beginning that something was wrong.
That's usually what it is.
They know something's wrong, that they're not fitting.
Like, for example, it's not.
Sometimes they grow out of it.
Well, so honestly, I really don't think people grow out of it.
I think they're either conditioned to not do it or they've realized the other way might be easier.
And then there are people who are faking it.
Yeah.
For a lot of people who suffer gender dysphoria or used to be called gender identity disorder, the vast majority of teenagers who suffer that will grow out of it.
Within a few years, that gender dysphoria will go away.
For some smaller percentage, that dysphoria persists.
I think you're confusing maybe gender dysphoria, or not just you, but these stats and people who report back are confusing sometimes gender dysphoria versus not feeling like, I don't know, a woman when you're growing up or feeling like a man.
That's also what people, there's so many terminology and words and buzzwords out there these days that people try to label themselves with anything when sometimes it's not that deep.
Wait, so Kiko, I have a question.
I kind of asked this last show and I don't think I really got a proper answer on it.
So my question was, ignoring gender identity, ignoring gender, if we're just looking at sex, if two, so two males, I'm not talking about two men, I'm talking about two males, if two males were to have sex, is that not gay?
Is that not homosexual?
I'm not saying it's wrong, but is that I base sexuality off of gender, so I would not, I would need to know their gender and all their culture.
So if you dated a guy, you were dating, or let's say you were married to this guy, he's been your husband for 10 years, and then one day he says, I'm a woman now, and you went and you engaged in that thing married couples engage in.
Would you say you're a lesbian now?
The husband you've been married.
She wouldn't be a lesbian, but maybe she's bisexual now, or maybe she's no, no, no, but her husband is now her.
Yeah, but doesn't I get what you're trying to get at?
Yeah.
Your point you're trying to get at.
And technically, yeah, I mean, I think it would be ridiculous for people to go out in public and not transition themselves at all and expect to be, like if you thought your pronouns were she, hers, to expect people to refer to you as she, her, or ma'am, whatever, presenting yourself like this.
Yeah, I think things like that are ridiculous.
There has to be some types where it says gender roles.
So that's the whole reason why they're wanting to say they're transgender is because they want to follow the other gender role, right?
So follow the gender.
So then instead, but this is a great point because this is where I differ from some of the conservatives here.
A lot of the conservatives say gender expression is totally fake and sex is all that matters.
And I'm kind of with you in the sense that I think gender expression obvious is real.
They're feminine men, they're masculine women, all that's true.
But instead of concluding, therefore, that we have the right not only to have any gender expression we want, but actually to be the different sex and to call myself a woman or call myself a man, why didn't we take in the other direction and say, if you're a man, there's obviously diversity is the spice of life, but you have a general obligation to act like a man.
And if you're a woman, you can be kind of diverse and you can be a little more tom-boyish, maybe whatever, but you have a general obligation to act like a woman.
I feel like we do, and if you don't, you get bullied and ostracized into the group.
There's cultural pressure.
Let me interject really quick.
We have 8,000 people watching.
The chat is on fire.
Guys, I just got a text from Chase.
If we can get the likes to 5,000, that's at 3.7K right now.
If we can get the likes to 5,000, Chase will call in right now.
No, you don't want to talk to Chase?
Different episode.
No, we got to.
Wow, you're checking your watch to see how his name comes up.
I would like to do a whole episode with Chase.
Well, Chase just wants to say hi really quick.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, like a two-minute hi.
It has to be.
Why always in the end?
Like, can we come to the house?
Guys, get the likes to 5,000.
Don't worry.
It's just going to be a two-minute phone call.
He just wants to check in.
Two phone calls.
See how you do?
I know he's like the way you're doing.
But why is he a co-host?
What does he do?
I want to know about Chase.
Well, no, he was just, he's been the male guest a couple times on the show.
He was the guy in the group that we just reacted to.
So guys, get the likes to 5,000 and we'll get Chase a couple of men in the middle.
Since all these people are watching, I also want to say, we need more strong men in movies and TV shows.
I feel like a lot of movies and TV shows, the men, they don't kill monsters anymore.
Go on Netflix and scroll down every...
Maybe you're just consuming media that's not saying that, but that's still the premise of most...
No, isn't it?
All the men in TV are like these women, idiot husbands.
And in all the superhero and like cool guy movies, Top Gum just came out.
Marvel movie just came out.
Ant-Man just came out.
Yeah, Top Gun just came out.
That's still the couple of topics growing in that aren't anymore.
But I feel like a lot of strong men in general would not be.
Maybe they're just like, it's finally equaling out and it's strong men and women in both different ways.
I don't think they're equaling out.
I think they're trying to make men weaker now.
That's so true.
They're trying to pretend that women are men and men are.
I like both.
I like strong women.
I like strong men.
But a strong woman and a strong man don't look the same.
No, like in different movies.
Totally.
No, no, but I'm saying even what it means to be a strong woman doesn't mean I agree with it.
They say that in the past that there were no strong women characters, but I feel like they were.
I don't know, Joan of Arc.
Very queens, Cleopatra, mythology.
And all Greek mythology.
Yeah, Greek mythology.
Like all mythology, in Christianity, the Virgin Mary, like all of that.
Fiona and Tatum, you guys have been a little quiet.
Do you guys have anything?
We're 300 likes away, by the way.
Wow.
think you should go do a dance in your foot i should do a dance in the in the trilby or the well while we do that let me uh just get a couple super chats in uh We're pretty behind on the Super Chat, so I will try to get through all of them, guys.
But sorry that we've had a very lively conversation.
So there's quite a few.
Sorry for the backlog here.
Okay, we did that one.
I think we did.
Did we do?
We did right now.
FT3, $50 Super Chat.
Question for Michael.
What percent of modern women do you think are capable of entering in a faith-based marriage where divorce is simply not an option?
That's where that argument falls apart in 2023.
Any woman could.
It's just, you know, are you willing to do that?
You know, it's never too late for anybody.
Anybody can change your mind.
I've changed my mind on a million things.
I asked my friend Andrew Clavin when I was getting married.
I said, what advice do you give me to get married?
He said, okay, reject feminism.
Just reject it entirely.
It'll make your life miserable.
And two, don't sleep with other people.
And if you do those two things, you're going to have a good marriage.
And I think that's the case.
And so, you know, if you just have to be so straightforward about it from the very beginning.
I feel all the problems of the hookup culture and the talking culture and all the problems you're describing are because there's so much uncertainty and nobody has any idea what the hell anybody's supposed to do because there are no standards and there are no norms.
We don't even know what a man is and what a woman is anymore.
And we don't even see depictions of this that we can emulate.
And so I think, you know, we're all complaining here.
Well, I'm not, about how we don't want things to be black and white.
But if things were a little more black and white, if we had clarity on some of these issues, then you wouldn't be getting into marriage like Brian is worried.
Is this woman going to take my kids and half my stuff?
You should go to another country.
It's much more black and white.
It is, I know.
Yeah.
And you find that free and liberating when it's much more black and white and when you have no, it's all different.
Sorry, we'll come back to you, Sam.
Derek thinks that I'm fighting them for what they believe there, but they didn't believe what they really are.
I'm still not gay and definitely not delusional.
That is a pretty simple concept.
Just be gay.
Kiko teaches asteroid, please.
You want the asteroid?
Okay, here we go.
Send the asteroid, lads.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my goodness.
Okay.
Yo, Derek, thank you, man.
Or Travis, I believe.
Thank you, man.
Here, we got this next one.
We have, yo, Dave on Jackson, thank you for the big hundred man.
So I marry you, promise to protect and provide for you, and in return, you don't even take my last name, Tatum.
Send that out to me.
All right, once again.
Oh, hold on.
Oops.
Oh, my goodness.
Whoa, oh, my God.
You need sound effects.
I know, I suppose I do.
All right, have you changed your mind on Tatum Atlas?
Hello?
All right, okay.
Can you show the camera your ring again that I gave you?
Oh, wow.
Wow.
Damn.
Okay, cool.
And then we have Hearn.
Thank you for the 50-man.
Big fan of both you guys.
Been watching whatever since the pranks as I'm 30 and a dinosaur as well.
Yep.
Feel you on that one.
Also, as much as I disagree with Kiko, I strongly respect her for coming back on again and again.
Hashtag marriage for the L. Hashtag where's Austice.
Hashtag certified 10.
Well, I certainly, Kiko, I commend you for returning on the show after we, you know, obviously we have exchanges and debates, but I'm that seems like a very not genuine smile.
You just in any case.
Kiko's just sticking around for me.
I think I'm because we're this close to making Kiko pro-life.
We're going to say my name again.
That just made my stomach hurt.
Jesus.
I think you're great, though, but I will never, ever change my opinion on that.
Some other things you might get me.
You might get me on some other things.
You argue very well.
Yeah, you do.
I'm saying, I'm literally telling you, you could probably, not probably.
It is possible for you to change my opinion on almost absolutely anything besides pro-life was pro-choice.
That's all I'm saying.
That when I've, I have, I've done my research.
I have my ducks in order.
I'm not changing my opinion on that.
That's great.
Well, maybe I'll start with all the other stuff and I'll build up to the pro-life.
Guys, 200, I think is it what, 200 more likes, and we will maybe 100 more likes.
Okay, we have, we did this one.
Hey, thank you, Heron.
We have Martin here.
Hey, thank you, man.
German girl, Brian doesn't need to experience his parents' divorce to be nervous about divorce.
I think she's from Ukraine.
It's called Being a Sentient Aware Human Being.
Women always pull the causal connection card.
Must you have walked the streets of Jerusalem to speak about Jesus.
Good point.
All right, we have Drive here.
Merci Bucoupura, Canadienne 50.
Thank you.
Just tuned in.
Not the crossover I expected.
Mr. Knowles, not against sacramental marriage or kids, but I fear the government contract that seems to incentivize broken homes, add to that the emotional and financial toll or the child support and imprisonment.
Yeah, well, you make a great point.
You don't make a good point against the government being involved in marriage.
The state, the government has always been involved in marriage from the dawn of time and until the present because it's a public act.
Well, and churches very often were established in the countries.
But it's a public act, right?
You need witnesses.
You usually do it in front of the community.
There's a minister.
So it's obviously got to involve the public, and public just means politics.
But to the point that, yeah, the government used to incentivize people staying together.
It made divorce very hard.
Didn't mean you lost half your stuff and lost your kids.
So yeah, the government really screwed it up, and we should just pass laws to make divorce much harder and make marriage much stronger.
And then we'll have better incentive to get married.
Hey, Drive.
I agree.
Divorce should be harder to do.
I think people get married too much, too often, too soon.
All right, we have Ryan the Eating Warrior once again.
Hey, thank you, man.
Great beard you have there, by the way.
Thank you for the 50.
Excuse me.
If a guy isn't okay with baby deleting, that's their deal breaker.
Send the asteroid.
Baby deleting.
Abortion.
You're saying if a guy is reacting to that.
Yeah, he's mad that a lot of us said if someone was pro-life.
Yo, Ryan, thank you there for the 50.
And let me do three more super chats, then we're going to call Chase.
Frankie Kay, thank you for the 50.
My hot take, women.
Make that face again.
Kiara?
No, I won't.
You don't get anything more from me.
Okay.
All right.
We have Frankie Kay, thank you for the 50.
My hot take, women who have broken up friend groups by dating everyone in them.
Women with over 300 bodies or generally loose women should not be giving out marriage advice.
Kiko, Kiko?
I didn't break out the friend.
I didn't break it.
Yeah, that friend group is still strong.
They're so strong.
They just all share an affinity for you.
Yeah, they all just were like Straight, straight, straight They were just, I mean, they're still together.
They're all good friends now, so I didn't break them apart.
If anything, I made them grow stronger together.
They like bonded over.
Yeah, they bonded over my hatred.
They're like, oh, she got us.
And now they're all besties for the rest of life.
Wow.
So I actually helped them.
I don't know what you're talking about.
You are a saint.
I was doing God's work.
Oh, hi, Beth.
Thank you, man.
Girl, W, the pony you are, the epitome of waiting to respond instead of listening, then replying.
Be quiet for a second and just contemplate a thought deeper than a rain puddle.
Brian, keep it up.
Mike, good to see you on here.
At Will deGraw.
It's a very encouraging super chat.
There you go.
Great.
There you go.
Thank you there, C.W. DeGraw.
Appreciate it.
I was told by the comments I wasn't speaking enough, actually.
Oh, well, I think at the beginning of the show, maybe a little bit.
I can't win or lose.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
So might as well just do.
Story of your life.
How did you spell your name?
Kiara?
He's asking how you spell your name.
Chase says hi, by the way.
Chase is asking how you spell my name?
No, this is Frankie Kay.
Kiko is spelled K-E-E-K-O.
No, no, no.
Well, I think you're actually.
K-A-R-A.
And then two more super chats, and then we're going to call Chase.
Yo, Zachary, thanks for the 50-man.
You're relying on beliefs in both cases, third-wave feminism versus religion.
At the end of the day, a woman has control by not having sex.
Grape accounts for less than 1% of abortion, more late-term abortions than gun homicide.
Zachary.
Oh, for sure.
Can we check that stat right now?
I mean, more people are.
More late-term, late-term abortions.
So you're saying after 30 weeks take place than gun homicides in America.
Is that what we're saying?
I would love to check the stats on that one.
The thing about gun guy.
I think Michael should speak on real masculine values to the panel.
All these goofy red pill coaches are telling all these men that high value means being free to cheat on women.
Masculinity has nothing to do with promiscuity.
We'll take women and men to change current dating culture.
Yeah, really great point.
I find all the red pill stuff is so stupid.
It's just not.
Because it's just another shade of liberalism and feminism.
It's a real history.
I thought that Andrew Tate guy.
Andrew Tate, you know, Andrew Tate got big because he says controversial.
Yeah, well, and he also contradicts political correctness and wokeness and says really basic stuff, like men are not women and all that stuff.
But are we afraid like the Romanian government's going to come in and just end me or something?
But the problem is the guy is a pimp, right?
So he's in prison for being a pimp.
At least you own up to it because every other person comes up and you're like, oh, no.
Yeah, no, it's just don't be a pimp.
I mean, that's like pretty basic, right?
He's a pimp.
He sells women's flesh for money.
Yeah.
He says it word.
He says he's out of his mouth.
I just like for fun.
People don't usually move to Romania for normal reasons.
So I don't know.
He's not the worst guy in the world.
He's contradicting the politically correct concept.
I think he's a genius.
He's obviously super.
He's a market.
He's just like, he's a necrologist.
Hammy Trump will fight.
It seems like he's trying to get more serious, right?
He's taking more moral matters.
He's already earned all his money off of all the incels.
Now he can start to show his real personality and how he's actually a genius for using all these people.
He was committing fraud.
And fraud is basically as bad a sin as you can commit.
Dante puts fraud in the lowest circles of the world.
Anything he's losing himself out of which isn't a problem.
Well, he can change his life.
I know you'd think he could buy himself out of prison.
He can change his life and repent, and maybe he's in the process of that.
But yeah, you don't want to model your life after some pimp because it also just goes nowhere.
I mean, this is the problem with if you're just dating, dating, dating, and you have no interest in getting married or anything.
It's just there's no point to it.
You know, you just remain perpetually a child.
And so you're a little boy.
You're not a man.
Ask Ryan about that.
Oh, we were talking about that earlier.
All right, one last super chat, and then we're going to go to the next one.
Oh, he changes the subject.
Yo, Rob C.D., thank you for the 50, man.
Really appreciate it.
This show provides a great argument to repeal the 19th Amendment great job.
Ladies, do you have a response to, I believe that's woman's suffrage?
It was, you know.
And the suffrage now, you know, there's too much suffraging in the world.
That's still a sign.
I'm not sure if you're a man in his comments, guys.
He wants to take away your right to vote.
Well, he can't.
I don't really care.
I don't know anyways.
Okay.
I've never voted anything that's very contradicting to what you said.
I mean, besides the abortion debate, but I think you and you guys are, you know, a lot of common ground.
The reason there were a lot of women when the 19th Amendment was ratified, there were a lot of women who opposed it.
People don't really make sense of that.
Why would women not want the right to vote?
But the argument was that the political unit should be the family.
So there should be one vote per family, which now would be anything.
You would talk about where one person goes and votes.
Yeah, basically.
And so now that would never happen because if you took that away, then the single women would just outnumber the married women or they'd have such a disproportionate representation that they'd just elect libs all the time.
But it does raise this interesting question, which is why would women oppose their own right to vote?
And then I think, well, okay, I'm a millennial.
Millennials vote for libs all the time and they screw up the whole country.
If you told me right now, Michael, we're going to take away the right to vote from all millennials, so you will lose your right to vote, but Republicans will win the elections and conservatives would win.
I'd think like, okay, take it.
I don't even want to go vote on Tuesday.
Why not?
What's the point of voting?
Is it voting so that I go get a sticker and I feel good about the act in itself?
No, the point of voting is good government in the end.
Yeah, but does voting really matter?
And that's another great question.
No, it doesn't.
So I've never voted.
Okay.
For like the citizen.
Hold on, you're going to vote.
So like the, what's it called?
Hold on.
Oh, I'm very like, no, I live in California.
Why does it matter?
Chase?
What's up, bro?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, hey, one in the chat, guys, if you're able to hear Chase.
Hey, Chase, can you just say testing 1-2-1-2?
Testing 1-2-1-2.
What's up, bros in the chat?
Hey, let us know if it's coming in good.
Eric, is it audio coming in good?
Can you guys hear me okay?
I hear him.
Sorry, Nice.
Yeah, the chat's catching up.
We're just waiting to see if the chat can hear you this way.
It's kind of a scuff setup.
We're really far behind on the chat.
Holy crap.
Sorry, guys.
One chat can hear me on the channel.
Okay, perfect.
All right, so are you guys going to...
Hey, Chase.
What's up, guys?
What's up, Michael?
What's up, Kiko?
Hello to the rest of the ladies on the panel.
Shout out to the bros in the chat.
He knows me by first name.
Chase, we were just admiring your beautiful argument about transgenderism, which is pithy and illuminating and just a magnificent performance.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yes, it was quite a moment.
I enjoyed Kiko's performance in particular.
Kiko's not amused by that.
I'm not surprised.
I want a part two.
You're doing a great job holding it down on the podcast.
I wanted to ask, where is the girl in blue from?
Well, I was born in Armenia, lived in Russia, then we moved to Houston, Texas, and I went to school in New York, and then moved to LA.
Well, I just wanted to say your takes have been extremely based tonight.
And I've heard that a lot of women in Eastern Europe have similar based takes and traditional values.
Is that true?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, based on historic history and surviving, I guess that's where it stems from.
But yeah.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Yes, I think we need to bring more Eastern European women to America so that we can set things straight.
It's my only pro-immigration area.
I say yes.
Eastern European-based right-wing women.
Let me just add, they all get green cards.
I want to add to that the gymnasts.
The Eastern European gymnasts.
We're getting very specific now.
They can come.
They can.
So, Chase, do you have anything you want to say to Kiko?
I just want to commend her for her continued participation on the podcast.
Apparently, she's got some pretty thick skin.
I don't know if she's received any hatred from that podcast we did.
I'm curious, Kiko, have you received any hatred?
Has it been okay?
What's the response been on your end?
Yeah, like I'm getting pretty harassed.
Yesterday, I was told they're going to burn me alive, behead me, chop me up, gut me.
I won't include the N-words that they said in it, but disavow.
Disavow.
Yeah, 100% disavow.
I just want to say for everybody watching the show and listening, even though Kiko and I disagree on some of these fundamental things, I don't think it's okay to send her death threats or anything like that.
We can disagree politely.
And I'm curious, Kiko, if you had the opportunity to go back, would you do anything differently?
Do you feel like you handled yourself the way you wanted to?
Do you still feel the same?
What do you think?
Only thing I would have changed is I would not have told you to shut the fuck up, probably.
What about the dick socking?
What about that?
No, I definitely would have still told you such a fat cock.
You still would have said that.
Maybe a fatter cock.
Yeah, yeah.
I shouldn't have told you to shut the fuck up.
No.
But you could still suck multiple cocks from that statement, definitely.
And I just wish my biggest regret in that situation is I had been staying for a while.
You know, I had to leave to go to work.
So I do wish we could have not had a whole dragged out conversation about it, but exchange more words before I made my exit.
Right, I understand.
I understand.
Well, I will still pass on your recommendations for me to suck dicks.
And the one thing I'm curious about.
Disavow.
If I were to say that men are men and women are women and abortion is murder and Christ is Lord, I'm curious, what would you say to that?
I have to say amen.
I said, I'll see you in hell, my brother.
Well, you won't see him.
Yeah, I will, because if he's going around muttering that shit, I think we're going to end up in the same place.
What?
Hey, I'm just repeating what Jesus Christ said in the Word of God and what God said himself.
And he's got an open invite to heaven for anybody who wants it.
So I invite you and the rest of the panelists to accept Jesus Christ and meet me there in heaven, you know?
I left him a good six years ago, and I plan on staying here.
Come back.
I don't want to.
Why not?
I was there for a good 16 years, saw the bullshit, made my exit.
Don't plan on returning.
Chase, do you have any pithy apologetics and evangelism?
Oh, we could, I mean, we could definitely get into that.
I think it's a little bit beyond the scope of right now.
Out of curiosity, Kiko, what was the final nail in the coffin for your faith?
What was it ultimately that turned you away from it all?
Just realizing how many things were rewritten in the Bible.
I'm talking mostly from Catholicism, not Christianity.
I wasn't very pertained in that, but just how many things have rewritten the Bible that people nowadays say is from like homosexuality and such, but really it's about the P-word.
And there's so many people in the higher church that are P-words that they try to rewrite history to make it about homosexuality when really it's about not doing that things.
But we struggle with that in the Catholic Church, so we had to rewrite a little bit of things.
You know, Catholics have a lower rate of pedophilia and sexual abuse than public schools by a lot.
Really?
I went to Catholic school.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know any of my public school friends that were touched by any of their teachers.
But I can't say that about my classmates.
Well, I mean, I'm not downplaying.
Obviously, sexual abuse exists everywhere, but the Catholic Church does not have a higher rate of sexual abuse than any other religion.
And it has a much lower rate than public schools.
Okay, but you were saying the public schools, but we're talking about religion, and I'm just saying that there's a correlation.
Yeah, I can hear you.
If we could, for just a moment, I want to go back to the claim that Kiko just made.
So in Leviticus, it says that if a man lies with a male as he would with a woman, that's an abomination.
And it also says in Genesis that God is.
You're talking about religion and not everyone's religious.
One second.
It says that God made the male and female and that the two are to become one flesh.
Are you telling me that that part has been rewritten, or which part's been rewritten?
I'm sorry.
As soon as you pull out the whole mumbo jumbo, like it's just because you said it.
You said it's all been rewritten and you learned this.
I know.
But then Chase quoted directly from Genesis and Leviticus.
He could quote from the Gospel of Matthew and many other places in the Bible.
And so he's saying, was this rewritten?
And my whole point is, and I think these girls might see it too.
I'm not using religious jargon or these terminologies.
When he says that shit, it is in one ear, out the other.
We don't even listen.
I couldn't even tell you one thing he just said because we don't care.
Yeah, religion has nothing to do with us.
Chase, is it cool?
We separate state and religion.
No, but y'all can believe what you want.
It doesn't hurt us for y'all to believe what you want, but you're not going to indoctrinate on us to believe that.
That's exactly believe what you want, but we're not going to flip side.
But that's also kind of a religious view, I guess, is the issue.
To say, like, it's cool for everyone to believe what they want.
Is it though?
Hold on.
There is this.
Do you hear me?
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead, Chase.
If I may, there is a specific claim made that the scriptures about homosexuality were rewritten.
And I just referenced scriptures about homosexuality.
And so I'm asking which of those scriptures were rewritten?
Oh, I could only say off the top of my head, I don't give a fuck like that at all.
I've just researched it before.
I know it's happened, but I don't keep that written in my mental wall.
Philippians 132 has been rewritten to be about sexuality instead of like, no, I don't, I don't care about this shit about my day-to-day life like you guys do.
But it's just maybe if that's the thing that kind of turned you off, you said, oh, I just realized this was all rewritten.
And then you can't recall how or something.
Because there's multiple things.
After 16 years, there's like multiple things that would just build up.
So that was finally kind of like the one nail in the coffin, but it wasn't such a big nail for me to like be ingrained in my mind because there was already so many things leading up to it.
It was kind of just like tipping the boat over.
But is it maybe if you thought that was so important and then you realized you couldn't recall it, is it possible that you were just mistaken?
And you actually.
It's not.
You're just confident, even though you can't recall it.
Yeah, Kiko.
Kiko, would you say that it's fair to say that your biggest problem is with the pedophilia in the church?
Because if that was your biggest problem and that was the nail on the church.
T-O-S.
T-O-S.
Let's move away from that.
But Chase, how about this?
When we have you on the show, we'll do you and Kiko round two.
Round two.
If she would like to, I'd be happy to.
I think she's down.
I think she's down.
It's up to her.
That's like a kind of on the fence.
But Chase, any final messages?
And then also, we're going to need to hear a Deus Volt from you.
Oh, absolutely.
Well, I just wanted to say great work with the show, man.
It's incredible to see how it's taking over the internet.
Michael, it's really cool to see you on the show.
You're absolutely holding it down, bro, and blessing the stream.
And, you know, just keep up the great work, Brian.
And Deus Volt, brah.
Let's go.
In the chat.
Tell them you want to see it in the chat.
Chat.
Let's see some Deus Volts in the chat.
Let's go, bro.
Do appreciate it.
Hey, good speaking with you, Chase.
Thank you, guys.
God bless you.
See you soon, Brian.
Good night, man.
Watch your ass!
I want Chase on here next time I'm in town.
So, okay, let me, we do have to get through the super chats here.
So, I know.
It's always down here.
I know.
I'll try to.
I wish I had more time.
Okay, so we have Stephen Wagner.
Thank you for the 50.
Why should a child be blamed for the sins of the father out of 800K abortions?
800 is from Grape.
The other 792K is because they didn't want it.
Someone who was almost aborted, I'm glad I wasn't and now have 12-year-old son, me living, made him.
Hey, Stephen Wagner, thank you for the 50 there.
That's changing the even fewer than me, though.
We have Zentiens here have a safe way to have an abortion is just a bullsheet way for modern women to justify their lack of accountability, just like when they use the 1% stat of grape.
Most 305, oh my god, don't want consequences so they can sell their mental physical trauma to any simps.
Zentiens there with the hot take.
Can I ask what's a 304?
What's a area code, I think?
Is that an area code?
No, it's upside-down.
It's like, you know, the calculator?
Like boobs.
Upside and backwards, upside down and backwards.
Oh man, I'm going to start using that.
Yeah, I always spell it.
There's one for Pimp too, but I forgot how it's spelled.
It's like 316 or something.
I just don't spell it like the pharmac women.
I always thought it was a Joe.
Yeah.
All right, we have Dragon Stalin.
Dragon's Talon, excuse me.
Thank you for the 50.
Hypocrisy check.
If these women want abortion, then shouldn't men who didn't want the children.
$99.99.
Michael, I would encourage you to be more informed about the red pill community instead of talking down against them.
Empiricism beats religion when it comes to relationships.
Just because you're religious in your marriage does not make you any more righteous.
Well, it does.
Quick response.
Yeah, it doesn't necessarily make me more righteous.
I could sin just as badly as anybody and frequently do.
But when you say empiricism, the premise that you're espousing is that the fundamental nature of reality is physical and scientific and you can look at it with a microscope.
And that isn't true.
We know that isn't true, because the fact that we're speaking right now about ideas which are not physical shows you that, and that's why the physical world has to rest on a metaphysical world, and it's why you should do the right thing and not just be a modern scientistic Lib.
Uh Talon here, men who didn't want the child but the woman had the child anyways also not have to pay child support.
I will try to parse that later tonight.
Uh, I think it's a little bit of uh, all right uh, the low max Sgd.
I'm not sure what currency this is.
Anybody, Michael?
Any Sgd what?
What currency is that?
Is that Singaporean, didn't Singapore?
If your pet keeps running out of the cage, you'd build a better cage or try to persuade said pet that it should stop trying.
It's the same, if women would stop spreading legs left and right, men would learn to not chase Coochie Coochie all the time.
Can we really claim that when we've already seen what happens with men don't get what they want?
Yeah, literally.
Like, we've already seen what happens with that one.
No, that would go a long way.
I mean, I'm not blaming women.
Men bear a lot of responsibility, but women should stop providing that incentive too.
If a woman wants to fuck as many men as she can in her life, let her fuck as many men as she wants her life and let her go find another man who's okay with that.
Just if she just didn't expect a modest man to want her, it's not that hard.
But if you want a modest woman, get yourself a modest woman.
The Lomax, though, is saying he's trying to help women here, right?
He's saying, women, if you want to women.
You don't want his help, though.
That's what I'm talking about.
Hold on.
But you're talking about this problem with men who are very irresponsible and they don't do what they're supposed to do.
And that's all true.
But one of the incentives for men to act the way they should is for women to say no to them.
And the secret is that men love to be told no, and they like the sort of the chase of a woman and they like pursuing a woman.
And then it makes it sort of more satisfying when a man finally gets that thing that he desires and it will increase a woman's sense of self-worth, sense of status, the closeness of their relationship.
And so even just for self-interest, I feel like your whole relationship is going to be based on just the chase of it all, just the chase.
Instead of you just liking it, it's just your, it's like, that's why there's a lot of girls who I know who are like, oh, yeah, I don't sleep around, blah, blah, blah.
So they'll have multiple men who are stringing them on for four months at a time or whatever it is.
And then they finally get it.
And now it's gone.
What if they wait?
What if they wait, though?
Until marriage?
Until marriage, yeah.
So then they're going to get married, do all the paperwork, and then he's going to be pissed when she leaves him, and the divorce rate's not going to be fixed.
But that's not her problem.
Then she gets half his stuff, right?
Right, but I don't think it's his problem.
So why would you guys want that?
I don't see why you guys think that's a win-win situation.
I still see that as a win-lose.
It would be better for the men to get married anyway, and if they can wait and there is some leverage and there is some modesty and there's some natural development of human desire.
My boyfriend's going to marry me, not because he has to marry me to fuck me, because he wants to marry me.
Have you ever waited before having sex?
Do you think I'm just fucking everyone I meet you?
No, I'm just saying how long have you ever waited?
I've gone over a year plus with not having sex.
I don't need sex.
I just think that is something that should be taking part before you are getting married.
So you dated somebody for a year.
No, no, no, no.
I'm saying I've been celibate for a year.
I'm asking how long have you dated somebody without having a sex with them?
Since being sexually active?
Yeah.
Probably like three months, four months.
If we were like exclusive, like you're talking about since exclusivity, yeah.
Like we'd be exclusive for like four months.
Would you say that the feeling of doing that after three or four months was better than say a one-night stand?
Sure, I've only ever had one one-night stand.
It was kind of a different predicament.
So actually, no, because that one-night stand was special for a reason.
Anyways, it's just, yes, but then I've also had that come where it's like, yeah, it's great, right?
But then it's also like when it's terrible, right?
You wait the four months and the sex is terrible.
I would have been, we would have ran into a lot of problems in our relationship if I would have ended up staying with them until we got married and then we would have had sex and it would have been like that.
Our marriage would not have been working out.
Here, just to keep things moving along, Kiko, can I have you read this one from Marquise Martin?
Kiko, grow up and embrace adulthood in society.
We have polite discourse.
To be so upset and unhinged because someone else has a differing opinion is so off-putting.
It's what makes the world interesting.
The fact that you're so upset means your ideas are untenable.
Untenable, yep.
Untenable.
Do you have a response to Marquise?
I think it's actually Markuvius.
Sorry.
Sorry, Markavius.
So you're on here to watch.
I'm on here to speak.
And that's what this is about.
That's why you have to pay to speak.
Oh, she got you there.
Oh.
Wow.
Okay, super RC thing through the 50.
As masculine men, we should be compassionate.
Let them decide whether they want to have a baby or not.
It's not black and white.
There's no proof of God or the right religion.
There's hundreds of religion can't use religion as facts for law.
Super Ronnie.
Oh my god, it's just so incoherent.
Because people now treat this stuff as though you're like talking about a magical sky daddy with a beard or whatever.
That's what the modernity is.
An AI possum robot number.
Yeah, that's right.
It's going to wipe us all out.
It's like scanning our arguments.
It's like an AI machine that looks like a lot of people.
Oh, by the way, you never answered.
So the octobaby thing.
Would you agree if someone doesn't want to have the baby to put that as a last resort?
As a last resort, man.
But no, the thing is, the existence of God can be known with certainty from the natural world by the light of human reason.
And you actually have to reason about all these things.
If you want to pass a law against parking tickets or taxes, you have to take into account moral thoughts.
So yeah, the religion is essential to it.
As we all know.
Wrong.
Toasty.
Really what you want.
That helps you sleep better at night, bro.
Oh, my God.
When you're shooting yourself in, you go to sleep thinking that that's how the life is working.
No, it's just the innocence.
It's the inescapable.
You can fuck up your sleep.
No, it's just the inescapable conclusion of my use of right reason by the things that I propose.
And it's like, but you say that.
You don't realize when you're saying that how insane you sound.
Like, to us, like, you know how back in the day when people are like, oh, I'm sick, I have a mental illness, they're like, oh, the devil, say, tonight.
I feel like we're going to get to a point in society where it's like what you're saying right now is like every like they're going to think you're crazy like you sound crazy when you say that shit like I hope you I don't know if it's me but you literally sound like Mooney Toon Bin like you're ready to get locked up.
Kiko, you just told me.
You just told me that if a man has sex with another man while that other man is wearing a dress, he's not engaged in a homosexual action because the second man is secretly a woman.
But you're telling me that I, by using my right reason to deduce from the world that because the world is say in motion, there has to be an unmoved mover.
Or because the world is caused, there has to be an uncaused cause.
Or for any other number of reasons, we can conclude that God must exist in order for this contingent world to be as it is.
That seems a little crazy.
And they're right there, folks.
That's exactly what the fuck I'm talking about.
Like, that was like, you barely even used any religious jargon, but it's like logic.
Like, use the language of the world.
You're losing us.
You're losing us.
What do you say?
I guess.
I'm just trying to be honest.
What do you say to me, guys, like some people commented?
No girl is worth waiting three months.
What do you say?
No girl's worth waiting three months.
Who is this guy?
Is this guy just like picking up hookers every night and sort of like paying a cheap kind of.
No, I would say three months is a good minimum to start with.
Maybe.
Eric, can you open the door a little bit?
It's a little stuffy.
It's all personal.
It's all personal preference.
All right, we have judgment.
It's just personal preference.
What did you say?
Or it's objectively true or false.
You know, it's like either, yeah, I can't.
I'm not hearing the rest of it.
It's not my fault.
It's my fault.
No, no, no.
Oh, true or false?
Objective, not something.
No, it's just you find somebody who believes what you believe and go make babies and have love with them like you did and we'll happy for you.
But like me, we wouldn't, you know, we wouldn't.
So I'm going to meet somebody who I already have, who we share a lot of similar views.
We share some differing views, but we know how to respect each other's views because they're not so polarizing that we are disrespecting each other.
That makes sense.
Yeah, but is there, isn't there like, aren't there better and worse ways to live?
Like, can't you?
Yeah, like you seem like you're living your life in agony, so worried about what you're doing.
I look like I'm in agony.
I'm the happiest guy I know.
But like, maybe, okay, maybe not exactly.
I'm not saying that you're not.
I'm not going to raise my voice.
Don't say you don't raise your voice.
I don't raise my voice.
Oh, I project because I'm a fan of it.
Maybe I get like I project too.
I project onto it.
I don't start yelling.
I don't get really.
Yeah, I get that.
But maybe not you necessarily, but I do know so many people who like literally like they are straight men, but are just sitting rocking at night at the thought of trans women having sex with straight men.
Like, why are you guys so concerned?
Like, get the fuck over it.
I am so serious right now.
Yeah, because they're pushing it.
Stop that person, though.
You know what's crazy?
Okay, here's the point.
You know that thing that's circulating around with me?
That shit has probably, what, like, 3 million views now or 6 million views on Twitter?
It's of me.
I'm the one speaking in the video.
It has not once come up on any of my social media platforms.
I'm only getting people sent to me.
And I'm in it.
It's because you guys are making that your life.
Step away from the internet.
Go touch some grass.
You guys say it's only 1% of people.
Go surround yourself without that.
The reason is because up until 2015, no one, there was no such thing as transgenderism as a matter of public life.
In 2015, Barack Obama decided to insert it into military policy.
And then also in 2015, a bunch of liberals in North Carolina passed an ordinance that said that there are no women's bathrooms anymore because dudes can go into the women's bathroom.
So it was the pro-transgender people.
I'm letting you know right now it's not trans women who are, it's those weirdos who are going into the bathrooms who are trying to abuse that power.
They would have been going into those bathrooms regardless if it was allowed for them to or not.
Where do the trans women go to the bathroom?
In the woman's bathroom because they were trans women.
But you just said that it's a bad person.
thing i'm saying i'm saying the trans women who are actual trans women who are such thing as an actual trans woman Okay, the point I'm trying to say is there's weirdos who are going to abuse the power, who would have abused the power without those laws in place anyways.
Those weirdos.
They would be kicked out is the difference.
They are still going to be kicked out.
A man is killed.
Now there's a civil right according to the Rostock discussion.
If you think if you walked into the woman's bathroom in that state right now and you just said, oh, I go by she hers, they're going to let you stay in there?
Be fucking for real.
Like there's common sense still.
If they didn't, I could sue under social media.
And you wouldn't win.
You wouldn't win.
We wouldn't win.
I'm guaranteeing you.
You would not win.
We wouldn't.
They have so much evidence against you.
There's so much evidence.
You guys are so delusional to like these actual real world problems.
Because you guys read two stats online of people where you talk to one person who's a de-transitioner or you hear one thing online and you guys think it is the law says that the thing about it.
The thing about gender identity is that it is a self-identity.
So there's no test that someone has to take to prove that one is now a man or a woman.
It's all just self-definition.
But you're still going to be in front of the court of law.
You're still going to have to win the case.
No judge is going to have you win that case, but I'm sorry.
You're delusional.
You're right.
According to pre- That's why we still have the gay panic law in some states.
If you think that's the assumption, I don't know.
Actually, can I say something?
I witnessed this like the other week.
We were at a really nice restaurant where you had to dress up to go there.
And then there was a trans person and they walked in and like fishnuts and just a bra exposing everything.
And it was very vocal about it.
And then some people next to the table asked why the person was allowed in the restaurant and they said we can't kick them out.
Exactly.
So it does happen.
Then they don't have a dress code.
That should be a dress code.
No matter your religion.
It is a dress code.
No matter your gender.
No matter your gender, you have to follow a dress code.
They're able to kick her out.
Just like my friend.
Yeah, my friend just got kicked out at Vegas because she was a masculine female.
She's a masculine female wearing men's attire, and they did not let her in because she didn't fit the woman's dress code.
What was the establishment?
And she left and she just left.
It's like, but yeah, I'm not saying it can't happen, but that's the thing of dress code.
That's nothing to do with gender.
Even a woman wouldn't get away with wearing that.
I know, but they need to update their rules.
Women, especially women would not get away with wearing that.
But the thing about this weird transgender moment is that transgender identifying people can get away with whatever the hell they want.
No, they can't.
I'm saying if they had a dress code in place, they would not be allowed.
If they had a dress code saying no fishnets or exposed to the city, they were a fucking unicorn.
They wouldn't be allowed to sit in there.
Yeah, literally.
Establishments are nervous to say anything or kick them out.
That's a problem on them.
That's a problem on them getting nervous about it.
Why do you have to be so nervous?
Because then the lesson they do.
About dress codes for transgender identifying people, specifically in a funeral home.
And the transgender person prevailed in that because we're in this weird moment.
It was actually parodied in Family Guy, which is that there's this guy at the end of the bar who's a transvestite, and he's looking at porn.
And the bartender comes down.
He says, hey, you can't look at porn at this bar.
He says, hey, no, I'm a transgender.
They said, okay, then do whatever the hell you want.
And that's actually how our Supreme Court law works.
And it's how it operates in the country.
It's ridiculous.
So a transgender can murder someone.
We'll be like, hey, you're transgender.
Do whatever the fuck you want.
There are an odd number of serial killers who have been transgender, including the most famous one.
Let's wrap it up, Brian.
Let's wrap it up.
It's just a historical fact.
All right, we got to get through the super chats.
Let's try to get through these quick.
All right, drive, think the Cane 50.
If a man fails to make a child support payment, he can face imprisonment by the government, takes control of his body, even if the woman lied about taking birth control, stole the condom, or paternity fraud.
Should the woman not be held to some standard as well?
She should.
Okay.
I think that's wrong, too.
If they can prove that she purposely made him impregnate or whatever, I think that she should be charged for that also.
Okay, I'm going to try to get through these as quick as possible.
Sorry, guys, we just got an overwhelming amount of super chats and the conversation was just flowing.
So we will try to get through all of them.
As Olene, thank you for the 50.
Novel concept: don't have sex before you're willing to deal with the potential consequence of having a baby.
As Oline, thank you for the profound super chat there.
Yo, Stephen, thank you, man.
Michael is leaving Kiko speechless.
Controlling words, controlling minds.
All right.
Nice.
All right.
There you go.
It's a great book.
You can get it now on Amazon if you wanted to.
It's called Speechless, right?
It's Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, the subtitle.
It's number one national bestseller if you want to get it.
Go grab it.
I'm pretty sure this one came through as TTS, yeah.
All right, we had James Moore.
Thank you for the 150, man.
So good seeing Michael Knowles on the show.
Any chance at getting Matt Walsh on the show in the future?
Everyone should see the documentary, What is a Woman?
I agree.
Also, everyone should watch Red Pill by Casey J. Thanks for what you do, Brian.
Hey, James Moore, thank you for that big $150 soup chat.
Really appreciate it, man.
I'd be down to have Matt Walsh on.
I think we're going to try to get Brett Cooper.
She might come on.
Yeah, Brett's awesome.
I can text Walsh now.
Say, Walsh, you got a constant pick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd love to have Matt Walsh on, Ben Shapiro.
Oh, there we go.
Boom.
All right.
James, thank you so much, man.
Yo, Mark Cuavius, thank you for the 50.
I'm pro-life, but Kiko is making a strong argument for the other side.
Oh, my God.
More existence-based than argument related.
Kiko, do you have a response to M. Martin shooting shots?
Sorry.
Mark Quavius, I mean.
Yeah.
Do you have a response?
Kiko?
Just more existence-based than argument.
He's saying.
What does that mean?
I don't know what that means.
Yeah, I don't know.
He's saying he's pro-life, but I'm botis.
Is he being sarcastic?
After talking to you, he's on this podcast.
He's now pro-choice.
But not because of your arguments.
He's being sarcastic.
Yeah, obviously.
He's roasting.
All right.
I think I can't remember names.
Yo, Zentians, thank you for this one.
That came through as a TTS.
Alvin, thank you for that.
That came through as a TTS.
Appreciate you guys.
Oh, it's Jacob.
Hey, what's up, Jacob?
Oh, Judge.
Yeah, Jacob.
Yeah.
Yo, thank you for the 20.
The whole chat is waiting for the.
Oh, yeah.
Michael, let's get this party started.
I pay him way too much if he can just throw $20 out to make that.
Oh, that's outrageous.
Wow.
You shouldn't have to seriously diminish.
Speedy the Unsilent.
Thank you for the 100, man.
Really appreciate it.
Let me ask the women a few questions.
We can only do one.
Do you think you can do no wrong?
Do you actually agree with the stuff you spout from your mouth?
Are you just saying what every Instagram post tells you to say?
Also, Michael is right about everything.
That's an insightful guy, man.
Show of hands.
Do you think you can do no wrong?
I think, Tate, I'm.
Besides the hyphenated name stuff, you're doing pretty well.
Okay.
Geez, now they're going to call me a simp.
Yeah.
Rip.
R.I.P. She's my wife.
Come on.
I got to come to her defense.
Or fiancé, rather.
Dan, thank you for the 50.
Oh, are you guys here?
Speak Russian while you're at it.
Let's hear it.
Go.
Speak it.
I was asking what simp means.
Oh, okay.
Whatever.
I suggested not to bait Michael.
It would turn into facts.
Don't care about your feelings.
Sorry, ladies.
You are all great looking, though.
That's very sweet, but I'm very into feelings.
I'm very pro-feelings.
Feelings matter.
Yeah, I'm very emotional.
You all said I'm very sensitive.
Yo, Michael Lindley, thank you for the 50, man.
Appreciate it.
Dinosaur D, thank you, man.
Behold, I send you out as sheep among wolves.
Little did I know is actually Michael that is the wolf.
There is blood and hurt snowflake egos.
Wait, he just said he's the feeling one, though.
He's deeply feeling sweet and sensitive, man.
So are you the snowflake or are we?
I don't know.
I think.
Michael's a beautiful snowflake.
None of you resemble any wolves.
All right.
We have Belief Whole Podcast.
Thank you to Michael.
Great points and all love and respect to the panel.
But Michael, what are your thoughts about capital punishment when weighing the possibility of citizens being executed by the state who are later found to be innocent?
Is it morally worth the risk?
Quick answer on this one.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, you know, you want to be careful about it.
You don't want to be reckless and just chopping everybody's head off.
But it's important for deterrence and for, and obviously, for retribution and also for rehabilitation because hanging concentrates the mind.
So you got to take these risks, but you want to minimize that risk.
Why can't they just in the whole life?
Isn't it more like more of a punishment than them just being having a miserable?
Yeah, it's definitely a more significant punishment, but some crimes call for significant punishments.
Like, for instance, like those serial killers, like Ed Gain.
Yeah, they should just put them in the bottom to rot away.
Yeah.
And like, you know, water dripping on them.
Yeah, well, you don't want to torture them, you know, because that's illegal.
That's cruel and I don't know.
Well, that's so gorgeous.
Killing isn't illegal, but torturing is bad.
Yeah.
You know what?
You don't want to just like torture them.
You just want to end it.
Sometimes a head on a pike is just justice.
Not saying you torture them first.
All right, CW.
Hey, thank you for the 200.
That came through as a TTS.
Thank you, man.
Philip, this also came through.
Thank you guys so much for all the support tonight.
We have Aaron Martinez.
Easy.
Aaron Martin Easy.
Okay.
50.
Thank you, man.
What do you think about using social programs such as Medicare for All and a robust social safety net to reduce abortions?
The girls are seething.
Okay, reducing the financial incentives to abort.
Also, I'd ask for an asteroid, but would rather have a tally.
I don't know if I have a tally, but I'll give you the asteroid.
Here, actually, I'll give you a different asteroid.
How about that?
Boom.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Really quick on Medicare?
Yeah, the short version.
He's asking, well, if you have sort of socialist health care policies, then won't you have fewer abortions?
And that's not true.
You actually end up with an incentive for more abortions.
That's what you saw in communist China and just for more killing the citizens generally.
That's what you're seeing in Canada right now because they can't afford to take care of old people, so they just kill them.
All right, we have Joseph Macias.
Thank you for the 50 man.
What's the girl in blue's Instagram?
I just love her common sense that she spoke earlier.
What's your Instagram?
I'm assuming that's it.
It's linked, right?
Isn't it literally Edge of Paradise?
By the way, she's verified, so she's legit.
All right, the Wolf.
Also engaged, by the way, right?
Didn't you say all these simps in the chat just trying to get with the bass girl in blue?
Sorry.
Sorry, guys, she's taken.
All right, the Wolf50 Catholicism is Christianity, you genius.
I was going to let that slide, but that's correct.
Yeah.
Thank you, Alvin.
Markuavius Martin, thank you for the 50 IQ challenge, Kiko.
You're like two millimeters away from being a cyclon.
What does that mean?
Tell us how peripheral, peripheral vision is overrated.
Hello?
Yeah, because you could just like turn your head and like see the sky look.
So like, why do we need a peripheral vision?
Like, just turn your head, right?
Okay.
Right, Martin?
How about you spend another fucking $300 tonight?
Can you refer to him as Markuvius, please?
Markuvius, how about you spend the rest of your paycheck from Burger King tonight on your well?
Speaking of, speaking of Martin, Markavius, Sam, actually, Sam, can you read this?
Oh, here we go.
Sam, with these crazy opinions, you're dangerously close to losing your seat on the G600.
I've told them to stop fooling the jet.
By the way, did he slide into your DMs after last show?
He offered the jet ride eye.
I don't remember.
I'm guessing.
On the last show, I don't remember if he went into my DMs.
There was too many DMs.
How many DMs did you guys get?
I don't know, like a lot.
Well, for a usual.
How many?
Like 15.
What about you?
50.
I'm only like 20.
Tatum?
You got a lot for sure, Tatum.
No, I'm only 12.
Oh.
Oh.
That's so specific.
Like, you for sure count.
No, it's not 12.
It was a baker's dozen?
13?
Yes.
Okay.
Yo, Kendall Brown, thank you for the 50.
Kiko, you were made in God's image, and the fact that you were able to reason and have an innate sense of morality shows God's signature on you as his creation.
I hope that God continues to pour out love and mercy on your day.
You say God, I say Big Bang.
I mean, come on.
You know, the Big Bang was discovered by a Catholic priest named Father George LeMond.
I don't give a fuck who.
The monkey is telling it, like a man.
The guy who discovered the big bang.
I definitely believe in God.
I don't care.
You just said you believed in it, so I'm telling you what the guy who discovered it.
I don't even know the really big bang is.
I just know I don't believe in God.
That's all I'm saying.
You're right.
You believe in the Big Bang and the guy who discovered it.
I believe in the opposite of God, if that's what it is.
I believe in this.
You believe in Satan?
Yeah, or just the absence of God.
The absence of God.
There we go.
I believe someone's probably correct that there's a higher power out there, but I don't know who's correct.
Confirm or discussion.
I've seen so many people are clearly wrong in a lot of parts.
So, I mean, I don't know.
I am here to tell you.
I'd rather work out than go to church or something.
Like, I'd rather do something more productive.
Well, you just said, I don't know who's correct.
I'm going to tell you with 100% certainty.
I am completely correct on this.
Oh, you know what's glad?
I'm not even trying to disrespect you.
I'm not correct about that.
Not even trying to disrespect you, but usually what I say is, I don't know what I believe in, but I just know that the Catholics have it wrong.
That's usually what I was saying.
Did you ever wonder why you're so drawn after 11 years of Catholic school?
I saw a lot more negatives than I saw possible.
It just seems to me sometimes teenagers say this.
They're like, hey, man, you know, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.
And so right now, you hate the church.
I don't hate the church.
I just wouldn't want to be a part of it.
I'm not going to be part of the thing I know is totally wrong, and I have all these bad experiences, and it's abusive.
I didn't say, I never said the word hate, though.
I just said I don't know.
You describe things that conduce toward hatred.
I don't hate everyone that's wrong.
I just think they're wrong.
But you said it's abusive.
You said the church is abusive, and people have all these bad things.
I don't even think I used the word abusive.
I just said I didn't like it.
I said they were wrong.
I said there's pedophiles in the Catholic Church.
And that people you know were abused by it.
And I'm not sure.
I guess it just continues to be a little bit more difficult.
I don't think she said abuse.
I'm very careful with my terms and my words that I believe.
We can check the tape.
But in any case, I just wonder if the fact that you're not indifferent, but you actually have this seeming antipathy for the church, maybe points to this truth that the opposite of love is not always hateful.
Kiko, confirm or deny, are you the Antichrist?
Confirm or deny?
I don't think I'm allowed to give out that information.
Okay.
It's very tricky.
By the way, Michael, so you said that you know that you're right.
Yes.
And this question.
That's your, you know, as a throwback to your conversation with Bronte, that also happens to be your identity.
That is my self-identity.
And I would ask that everybody respects it.
But I think you all do respect.
That's your identity.
That I am correct about this question in particular.
Nice.
I don't respect it.
You don't respect mine.
But can you affirm his identity as being correct on everything we spoke about tonight?
I know he's a Catholic.
He's correct.
He's a Catholic.
If I told you right now I'm a woman, you would affirm that identity.
No, and you wouldn't even affirm.
Because you don't believe in transgenderism.
I do believe in it, but you haven't.
Are you telling me transgender women need to prove to you that they are the sex and gender that they know in their heart that they are?
They don't have to prove it to me, but I don't have to, like...
Believe it.
Oh, so you don't believe in transgenderism?
Okay.
What's wrong with the fact she doesn't believe something you say?
No, no, I don't think that's a good idea.
I think it's exactly how I just said.
I don't believe that people who think they're a cat or a cyclops or whatever you said, a unicorn, is a person either.
I feel like there's judgment calls that always need you make.
Now, do I think I have the right because I don't think that you're a woman that I need to tell you to stop being a woman?
No, I don't give a fuck what you choose to do from that.
that's my whole point though is even if i don't believe it or i don't agree with it i can go i have the yeah i have no that's not what i said either Well, you just said you don't give a darn it.
That's why there's certain things.
That's why I even said earlier, even with these gender-neutral bathrooms, you're not going to get away with walking into a woman's bathroom like that.
I might get away with it, because they might want me there.
So we just have a few more.
We have a few in Streamlabs, and then we have this last one here on YouTube.
The Bass Capitalist, Thank you for the 50.
I love you, Michael.
And Brian Kiko's Lost Cause, 96% of biologists believe that personhood starts at the moment of conception.
So it's not just religion, ladies, science agrees with us.
I'm just going to have to get through these just purified hip-hop podcasts.
Thank you for the 50.
Michael Knowles F's on the rails?
Is that a good thing?
Like you're off the rails?
Or is it F's on the rails?
I don't know, but he has an apostrophe there.
I feel like that was intentional.
You're off the rails.
And it's not off the rails.
It's on the rails.
Yo, Eric, can you pull up the Stream Labs tab?
And I'll just pound these out in five minutes.
1107.
All right.
Oh, man.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
We're at the upside.
Oh, God.
Wow, my man.
All right.
Do you have to do that?
I have nothing to do with it.
I'll be here all night.
Get me a fat Stogie.
Nina up the price.
15 minutes spend?
No.
Nina, up the price.
I have all night.
I got all the time in the world.
Yeah, I got all the time.
Are you working?
Yeah, I know.
I finally have something to do until my flight is.
Okay, cool.
I have to go.
I have to go eat.
I know if we have food here, I would go for some more hours.
My food is in the fridge.
You've been here five hours.
Let's just get through these.
Why not?
Why not?
Okay, so let's start from the top and then we'll work our way down.
All right, so we have Eric.
Oh, this is different than mine.
We need to figure out a better way to do this.
Hold on.
Okay, so are you sure this is from the top, Eric?
I have something from Send the Meteor.
Well, I'll just do the ones that are on screen then.
Eric Hansen, oh, you need to, can you hit the refresh on the screen?
That's what's wrong.
F5 on this Good times yo send the meteor uh how would kiko like to be judged for not wanting wait is this the same Oh, yeah, okay.
How would Kiko like to be judged for not wanting to sleep with a manly-looking lesbian?
Second house, how is it that these girls don't realize that they're in the path of misery?
Bring the back in 10.
I should have put the minimum 100.
I should have put the minimum at 100, but they will regret it when their DMs are empty.
Okay.
My DMs are way less than that.
They'll never be empty.
Yeah, they've never been empty.
Don't worry about me.
What are you saying?
Someday it might be empty.
I don't think that is going to come.
No, personally, I don't.
That's what I'm saying.
Maybe not for you.
If anybody is not, yeah.
Scroll a little down, Eric.
I'm going to do the downmingo one.
All right, we have, again, that was me.
Women were happier before entering the workforce.
Equality made them work.
Corporations hate you.
They want you earning them money, not on maternity or raising kids with sense.
Case in point, this panel think about these topics less than a minute.
Okay, thank you, man.
Thomas the poet, ladies, men and women view sex differently.
Men give love to get sex, and women give sex to get love.
Also, about love, please remember we accept the love we think we deserve.
Finally, love you, Sam.
Love you, Sam, and Tatum.
That was profound.
It's from Perks of Being a Wallflower.
Oh, wait, can you guys do it?
Is that from a Shalova?
No, that was my dad.
We didn't see it.
Well, they saw the most recyclable novel from like a basic white sample.
Eric, can you pull that back up for me, please?
All right, we have Crispy Tofu here.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Okay.
When I was graped, I couldn't go near the city where it happened from when it happened, three years after it happened.
I couldn't be near any army tent uniform.
I was scared to see my grapest.
Okay, definitely couldn't have had the baby if I got pregnant.
Scroll down a little bit, Eric.
Just we'll move that one off screen just because it's probably TOS.
Unashamed truth, thank you for the 50.
Atheism is religion.
To believe there's no God takes faith.
Why should a baby be murdered for the sins of the father?
Please explain why we should kill the poor kids.
If the parents are drug addicts or not financially stable, let them have it.
Michael, really quick, Michael, if you want to.
No, you just let it rip, man.
That was totally true.
Okay, Eric, can you pull that back up?
Totally agree.
All right, we have Timbo Slice.
Hey, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
My buddy Miggy and I are obsessed with the pod, Brian.
Thank you, man.
We discuss it every day.
With Michael's confidence, if he was running through 30 foes, he would be unstoppable.
Could take over the world.
Two of my favorite content creators in one spot.
Michael, should we reveal?
We've poached Michael from the Daily Wire.
Yes, this is my wife.
So Michael's my new co-host.
Yeah, that's really hard.
Just kidding.
Shapiro just made fun of me one too many times.
And now I'm libel?
Let's not become an expert in it.
Am I going to get a cease and desist from the Daily Wire?
Okay.
Pull it back up, Eric.
Go ahead.
Thank you, Timbo, though.
Michael Trolls, thank you for the 50.
You can be socially conservative and fiscally liberal, just like you can be street smart and bad at math.
Okay, thank you, man.
Eric Hansen with the 50 met my wife at 21, dated nine days before six-month engagement.
We're both virgins, married for 15 years now with four kids and one on the way.
Congrats, man.
It can be done if you get your life and mindset in the right place.
Congratulations, Eric.
You say it can't be done, Kiko.
You're laughing.
It happened.
I never, anything can be done.
There's a lot of things that could be done.
Oh, the driver?
We're just kidding, Uber.
Oh, we got to cancel.
Whoa.
You get an Uber.
That's a wrap.
Still good?
Good to go?
Okay, okay.
It should only be a few more minutes here.
Okay.
I don't have an audience.
Please stop saying that.
Okay, we have Derek Manex.
Thank you for the 50.
Welcome to Madness, Michael.
Love your content.
Hold on, Victoria.
Hold on.
Welcome to Madness, Michael.
Love your content.
What qualities did you value most when dating early in life?
As well, ask these girls to name three countries.
Okay, we can do that really quick.
Go, Kiko.
Three countries, go.
Wait, what am I doing?
Name three countries, go.
Name three countries?
Go.
United States, South America.
Japan, China, and Russia.
I can name like 200 countries.
Yeah, we're the whole point of that.
Canada.
Like, Canada, America, Mexico.
What do you want to do?
Then we can go Costa Rico.
We can go to Puerto Rico.
Where do you want it?
Brazil.
I can probably visit Asia.
I just said Japan, Russia, and China.
Well done.
Okay.
Pull it back up, Eric.
Oh, my God.
Yo, Davon Jackson, thank you for the 100.
Not to get too political, but for Michael and Brian, would you rather date the oldest woman in the world or the best-looking trans woman in the world?
Did we already do this?
He's an artist.
He's trying to get us online back.
He's trying to get me and Michael to a part too.
I'm going to storm out.
What do you mean it would be the trick woman?
Shut the fuck up.
Do I have to.
That's kids.
Do I have to.
Did you?
That's the one that's coming.
Did you tell me?
Suck up that talk, Michael.
You're projecting right now.
Seriously, that's not fucking cool.
Okay.
You didn't even hear how I would answer that.
Disavow.
I didn't need to.
All right.
Go ahead, pull it back up.
Yo, veteran contractor.
Thank you, man.
42-year-old manho, body count over 150, non-inflated.
I married a woman with a BC of one.
Ben had a crack into one of the seltzers.
Hey, drink up, friend.
Drink up.
42-year-old retired manho, body count over 150.
High-value man wants a woman who has been ran through.
Oh, no high-value man wants a woman who's been ran through.
Make wise decisions now or suffer later.
Your hookups do corrupt your brain.
Facts.
Thank you, veteran contractor.
I believe he does drywall.
Okay.
And you guys would both know, because you guys both had ho phases.
It would corrupt your brain.
Yeah.
Did I say that?
All sin and vice corrupt your brain.
The longer you do it, the more you play.
Listen, as a man of God, as a man of God.
Six wins.
Yeah, literally, you don't even know who married college, man.
Michael has convinced me to marry.
He's brought me over.
Okay, look how Deus of Volt.
Okay, so can you bring it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do we have some coming through?
God damn it.
Speedrun.
Eric, can you pull up the.
I'll get those later.
Can you pull back up the.
Okay, we had okay, Johan.
Thank you.
Oh, no.
Johan, thank you for the 20.
Mr. Casey, thank you for the 50.
Yo, Brian, going to put you on the spot, haha.
But you have to pick which girl at the table is your hookup preference.
Hey, who do you think?
He's not a wife.
Yeah, excuse me.
How dare you?
Which girl at the table is my hookup preference?
Hopefully his wife.
Honestly, Tatum.
Honestly, Tatum, you asked, you're putting me on the spot.
Why do you think he gave me the ring in the first place?
Tatum, do you know how much he's always like, Tatum?
Tatum, Tatum, Tatum.
Is that what I'm doing?
That's me?
I've been noticing it all night.
In the last chat.
I didn't notice it.
I know the last podcast I was reading.
I was like, Brian's a simp for Tatum.
Do you think he'll become a munch for Tatum?
What are you doing after the show?
Oh, no.
Disavow?
Disavow.
She didn't make a response.
Riz to the floor.
In any case.
Okay, we have, what's it called?
But no, I would not.
Is the chat shipping me and Tatum?
You're letting it.
You're letting it happen.
I'm starving, actually.
Thank you, Edward.
Yeah, we are.
I don't know which one.
Wait, hold on.
He doesn't feed us here.
Yo, Davon Jackson.
I need to start getting pizza for everyone before the shows.
Okay, Dave on Jackson, thank you for the 50.
This type of chick is exactly why Brian doesn't pay for women on first dates LMAO.
What type of chick?
Really?
He doesn't pay women.
I am sorry to disappoint you once again, Michael.
Can you explain to him that he is such a walking contradiction?
Yeah.
He's never going to find the woman.
Oh, you've got a honest, modest woman who's going to pay the bills and rub his feet and go to work and then go to diets.
And you've got a great fiancé over here.
And you should pay for the meal.
That's basic stuff.
Tatum, are you seeing anybody right now?
No.
So under those circumstances, I would pay.
And also, she's in college.
But the issue is, I guess my issue with paying, and I'll be brief on this.
Well, yeah, my issue with paying is it's me adhering to my traditional or men's traditional gender roles.
But hold on, Victoria.
What's happening in the dating landscape, and I've already mentioned this, is that when you first go on a date with someone, you have to assume that they're dating other people.
More likely than not, they're sleeping with other people.
So to me, it's just, I don't want to pay for a girl on a date and then she's she hooked up with a guy last night.
She had sex with another guy last night.
She's got three other dates lined up.
I don't want to adhere to my traditional gender rules.
It goes back to, once again, who hurt you.
Like, I don't understand.
She's sleeping with another guy.
Why would you go on a date with her?
Also, if you show this girl this nice attention you pay for a meal, maybe she'll actually see that you're a good guy and want to be with you.
Don't you want to be the change that you want to see in the world?
Yeah.
No, because here's why.
Sam, here's why.
Here's why, Sam, is if I know, if I go on a date with a girl, or even before I find out that she's dating another guy, she's hooking up with another guy, I don't want, that's not a girl I even want to pursue to begin with.
So there won't even be a first date.
So I just don't even want to entertain that option.
Come properly single.
Come properly single.
That's my stance.
How hard is it before the date is initiated, right?
Like say you meet them in person or dating up, whatever.
Obviously, you're in talk, you're going to exchange some words before this date happens.
How hard is it to send the message, are you talking to anybody else?
Are you fucking anybody else?
I do.
So do they say yes?
Well, why are you pursuing women who are doing things that you don't want them to do?
So I do ask that question.
If I find out that they are, I'm like, well, hey, we want different things.
So, but also, you also, in the dating landscape, people lie.
So, like how he was going on with her, you're assuming everyone's a liar.
I had just a quick question.
So, the reason why you don't want these girls who are like seeing other men, why?
It's because they're like with other men, right?
They're exposing themselves.
So, would you date someone who does porn or OnlyFans?
No, no, I would not.
I do make one exception.
These are two last requirements.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
Well, no, I've actually never even gone on a date with a girl who does OnlyFans, but could I ideally certainly?
I apologize, Michael.
Close my ears.
Yeah.
Would I date a girl who does solo content on OnlyFans?
Hurrah!
That's horror.
I would.
However, it's not ideal.
I wouldn't.
No, but no, I've never dated a girl who does OnlyFans.
Maybe you don't know.
I'm saying I'm potentially open.
I'm open to it.
I've never done it.
Are you saying you would date a girl who did OnlyFans, but then realized that's a bad thing to do and it doesn't do it anymore?
Or are you saying you would date a girl who actively is doing OnlyFans?
Yes, I would.
I would.
Wow.
Because that's a big distinction.
But you wouldn't pay for her.
So, like we once said, walking consciously.
She has to do solo coat.
She has to do solo content.
If she ever did any BG, no.
If she does beat boy girl.
So I'm saying, like.
But could she do girl, girl?
So you're in fun of her popping her inferred.
Let's get that there.
Gigi, could she do GG?
What if she could pop her piece of plastic dildo just not with a real one?
Sure, but I suppose so.
However, we all have our standards.
I'm saying I would.
I'm saying I would.
It's not for.
Okay, so just to be clear, I've never dated a girl who's done OnlyFans.
But it's not a total deal breaker.
However, if putting two girls together, one that doesn't have OnlyFans and one that does, I'm going to go with a girl that doesn't have OnlyFans.
However, I'm not going to have OnlyFans.
You know what?
Do you do that?
Tatum, we can make a lot of money together.
Okay, can I maybe Andrew Tate?
What if you go on a date with a girl, right?
And she doesn't have anyone, she's not hooking up with anyone, but you assume she's lying and then you don't pay for her date and then she thinks you're an asshole and doesn't go on the second date, but she's like the girl that you always wanted.
But you just fucked up your channel.
Hold on.
Can you repeat it?
So what if you go on a date with a girl and the girl doesn't have anyone that she's seeing and she's not hooking up with anyone, but you assume she's lying and then you don't pay for her date and then she assumes that you're just an asshole, a jerk, and doesn't go on a second date with you, but you just missed out on a girl that you would have wanted to see.
And she doesn't have OnlyFans?
No.
Okay.
You screwed up, basically, is what she's saying.
But look, here's the thing.
One, if she's not dating other people, I'm going to kind of try to suss that out.
Also, you know, it also comes down to like earnings, differentials in earnings.
So if she's a litigation attorney, I'm sorry, you're making 200K a year.
I don't feel obliged in those circumstances.
Doesn't she want to be the gender roles that you argue for?
Yeah.
Well, is she a traditional woman?
And I think women have to go first on that.
She might be.
Women have to go first on that.
It's a two-way situation.
Why do we want to go first when you're the one who's supposed to ask us on the date?
There you go, baby.
Yeah.
You're the one who's supposed to like, you're supposed to get out of your knee.
You're supposed to propose to me.
You're supposed to prove yourself to me.
That's the whole thing.
But men are throughout the history, the man's always been the leader.
Sure.
However, you guys want to treat feminism and equality like a buffet.
You want to pick and choose that which.
Hold on.
Certainly not.
You want to pick and choose the things that benefit you, and then you want to disregard perhaps the equality which does not come at a benefit to you.
Because I believe, well, okay, you want, hmm, oh, well, I believe in gender equality, but I like it when guys pay, and I like it when they lead, and I like it when they initiate, and I like them when they adhere to their traditional gender rules.
However, I want to be promiscuous.
I want to sleep around.
Are you a virgin?
No, I'm saying the girl wouldn't.
Is that right?
Okay, so if you're a virgin, then yeah, it's rightful for you to expect someone else to be a virgin on your date.
If you're not a virgin, why can you expect to have a virgin?
What Brian is saying is that, yeah, you're advancing the feminist idea that men and women are exactly the same and they have to have the same expectations.
But what Brian is saying is, here, no, no, no, I'm not a feminist.
Men and women have different expectations.
There are different thresholds for their different kinds of behaviors.
And as a result of that, there are also different privileges that women get.
So, men are going to open the door, they're going to pay for the tab, they're going to take more responsibility for certain problems, they're going to, I don't know, kill the spider or whatever.
But also, women are going to have certain expectations that men either do not have or will be treated with less culpability.
See, what I'm saying is, as times have changed, yes, I get what he's saying with the feminism, like we want to take, they take, but things have also changed for men.
Like, the traditional thing for a man has also changed, which comes back to why I say on this podcast all the time, is why people just need to date people in their realm.
You know, if I'm finding myself not fully non-traditional, but like semi-traditional, so my boyfriend also is pretty semi-traditional.
Should I go date someone who's very traditional or not traditional at all?
Probably not, and vice versa.
Just find somebody who, you know, there's someone's other half out there for them.
Just let them find it.
And I feel like there is still categories in it, though, like overall.
Like, you know, it's not like how he said everything's not black and white.
Like, a lot of things are black and white, but a lot of people do fall in the middle of those things and find somebody else.
Let's say you're some like modern person and you're not traditional at all.
And so you find this guy who's super modern and everything.
And you're off doing OnlyFans and he's off.
He's got like two boyfriends.
And, you know, you're both like living in a polycule and somewhere.
Even though you found your same level or category or match or whatever, that's still not a great way to live.
Like, wouldn't it be better to live in the world?
They're happy, though.
They're probably not happy.
I bet you they're thrilled.
I bet you they're thrilled.
I bet you they're living their best.
That's why, but like life.
But like religion, polygamy has always been a thing.
Like polygamy is always good.
You want three boyfriends too.
The multiple wives.
One at a time, one at a time.
All that stuff.
So it's like, that's it's something we've already seen throughout history.
Go ahead, Sam.
No, I was just saying I agree with Kiko and that they're living their best life for them.
And maybe for you, that's not what you want because you don't want three boyfriends, but for someone else, they do.
What if they're not living their best life, though?
What if their life is not for you?
How is that you to decide?
Yeah, how is that yours?
No, I'm just asking if they are or they're not.
And if they're not.
But that's what they're choosing to do.
So like they're not.
But can people make choices that are bad for them?
Yeah, but if they don't feel like that's bad for them and they're happy, then why do we have to?
I'm saying if people make choices that are bad for them, that will probably make them.
But why do we know what's good and bad?
Like the thing is.
Well, it sort of is self-referential at a certain point.
If they're making these bad choices, those bad choices, by definition, are going to make them less happy than if they made good choices.
And people obviously do make bad choices all the time.
So if people are making lots of bad choices, don't you think that instead of just saying, hey, just find other people who want to make bad choices, you might say, hey, how about you find your opinion?
Yeah, that is such your opinion.
No, I haven't offered negative opinions.
I have an offer negative.
That is good.
That is bad.
I threw your boyfriends into having a bad idea.
Well, I thought we agreed that some things are objectively good and some things are objectively good.
I thought we agreed on that.
I'll take it out the door.
There's no bad and good, and we all live on this little loopy spectrum.
There's no bad and good.
So it's not, it's not better to bake a pie for the lady down the street than to kick the baby.
No.
It's just.
Because I'm doing work either way.
I'd rather do that.
I'm going to.
So sorry.
I have to go.
I'm adhering to my gender role.
My fiancé drove me in.
Base.
Oh, sure, sure, sure, totally, totally.
Base.
If you want, while we write, you're free to, if you want to just excuse yourself, that's totally fine.
But thank you so much for coming.
Guys, check out her band, Edge of Paradise, Edge of Paradise.
Check out her band.
Okay.
Well, great answers.
We'll wrap to almost everybody.
Here pretty soon.
Let me get through these last few.
Just the last thing on, just to answer your thing about the paying thing.
I guess it's just, I don't.
If more people moved in a more traditional way, I would have no issue adhering to traditional genders and paying.
But I don't want to be the sucker because I've heard a lot of stories.
And for example, this is the example I often give.
I don't want to go on a date with a girl, go for a dinner date.
I don't want to pay for her food.
And then she gets a doggy bag to go.
She gives me an ass out hug at the end of the date.
She takes that doggy bag to the guy who she's sleeping with, who, by the way, never had to pay for anything because he's just really attractive and he's a chad and just whatever.
Gives him the food in which I paid for the leftovers.
He eats the food and then he hooks up with her.
So it's transactional.
You're expecting to have sex with me.
No, that's not what I said.
I just don't want to feel like a suckle.
I feel like that.
Yeah, you just sound like a big bitch right now.
Yeah, like, if you were like, I feel like if you were like this like big macho masculine man, whatever, bitches wouldn't be playing you.
Yeah, they wouldn't even be able to play you.
Like, I'm telling you, there's certain, they know what I'm saying.
There's a certain type of man that you wouldn't even try to play.
Even him, you know, I wouldn't go on a date with him and be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to call him out of his money.
No, thank you.
Like that, you know, you're like, oh, step your cookies up, Ryan.
I'm just saying, I don't really care if a man's paying for me on a date.
I'll pay for myself on the date.
I don't give a fuck.
What I'm saying is, I agree with Kiko that you're a walking contradiction for the type of energy you want and the type of energy you put out.
I'm not, though.
I'm not sure.
You need to be what you expect.
At least Mike's not a walking contradiction.
He's all like straightforward.
No, to be honest.
At least Michael knows what he wants.
Keep going, ladies.
So every guy takes L's.
Even really attractive guys take L's.
Yes, even really attractive guys will take L's.
But more L's are mine than more other L's.
Or some men take an L and they step their cookies up so they don't get no.
Can you just move that mic on the grounds, please?
Just put it on the ground.
It's like, you know, was it fool me once?
Shame on you.
Fool me twice.
Mr. Davies is L, yeah.
Mr. Davies is here.
We're adding another hour on me.
At least.
So rude, Jasmine.
So rude.
Here we go.
Now we have an actual, you got a chat at the point.
What you're trying to say is you just don't want to be a cuck.
Closer to the relationship, right?
Yeah.
What's that?
You just don't want to be a cuck in the relationship.
Is that right?
Yeah, I don't want to feel like a sucker, you know?
And here's the thing.
There's this term called foodie calls.
So girls will have a dude in their phone as like uber or ride or food.
No.
And yeah.
I don't think so.
They actually did a study in California.
Guys do foodie calls.
Guys can't do foodie calls.
Hold on.
So California, at a California University, I'm actually going to get the professor on who did the study found like 33% to 60%.
I forget the exact number.
But they studied this phenomenon of foodie calls, where basically women will go out on dates in order to just with no romantic interest just to get a free meal.
Okay, but many women weren't going to be able to do it.
But she can't even rely.
If it was like 10 people, and that would have 10 people, three people, it's like 32%.
We get this test.
Hold on, Eric, can you, in the other tab, look up the girl who went on six dates a week in New York to save on grocery bills?
There's this news article.
That's going to be so high.
This is what you have to do.
But she was saying before she left the girl about how when you drive a car, there's a chance you're going to get.
Yes, when you go on dates, there's a chance that you might get played.
But you're taking that risk no matter what because you're going on dates.
You're putting yourself out there.
It doesn't, you're playing like I'm a little victim, so I don't want to get, I don't want to have to pay for the date.
So I don't want to.
I'm being vigilant.
I'm not, I'm not.
But shouldn't you be able to discern to some degree how these women are?
Like, are they 304s?
You know, 304s.
Right.
Or are they virtuous women?
Shouldn't you be able to tell that even before you go on the date?
You can, but like some of these girls, like the excuse.
Hold on.
There are some very unassuming women.
Whoa.
They're honking at us.
Nah.
There's just like some women.
Like there's some women that you would never think it.
They can be very demure, very reserved.
But like, and we've had one girl on this panel.
She was 19.
Super shy, very quiet, very calm.
You would have never guessed that.
No, her body count was like 33 at 19.
Talking about the girl I was on with?
Were you?
It might have been a different girl.
19 years old, 33 body count.
Didn't seem like very kind of shy, very quiet.
No indicators.
Like, I would have assumed like she was not.
Yeah, happens to girls too.
Like, they meet a guy, think he's very sweet, whatever.
He's a serotonin red.
He rapes them.
Jesus.
We have the same situation.
And like your problem on going on date is like, oh, I might lose my money.
She might go give her leftovers to her.
Dude, our thought is hopefully he doesn't younger than me.
Yeah, hopefully I come out of this alive.
Hopefully it's a public enough place.
Hopefully there's enough people here.
One sec.
Eric, can you pull that back up?
We did actually find this article for the Michael Knoll show.
This is one of the fake articles we did on one of the Fridays.
Oh, that's right.
This was a true story.
That's right.
Yeah, so woman went on six dates a week to save on food.
I didn't buy groceries for two years.
She made like this TikTok.
Eric, can you scroll down just a little bit?
Can you imagine how value her time has, though?
Yeah, you know how much work that takes to do that.
How many bitches do you think are doing this?
She's like, buy some ramen noodles.
Yeah, literally an outlier.
This is such an outcome.
That's why she's violating on TikTok.
And first of all, she's probably capping.
Okay, so she says, hold on.
What is capping?
Lying.
Is it what?
Lying.
Oh, okay.
It's like to lie.
Oh, like when you're like, no cap, no cap for real.
Yeah, no cap.
Yeah, yeah.
You deadass, dead ass.
You for real.
So, okay, between 2016 and 2018, I didn't buy groceries once, probably saved about $150.
Eric Click Seymour.
You don't have to play the video.
She's 100% capping.
Can you pull it back up?
Already using the words, good use.
Oh, yeah, just probably saved about $150 a week.
And like, she's, I'm not trying to be mean to her.
She's like an average-looking girl.
She's not particularly, she's not particularly remarkable in terms of her appearance, and she's able to pull this off.
So to me, I don't want to feel like a sucker.
It's not about, you mentioned, oh, so she owes you sex.
No, I don't view it that way at all.
I just want to not feel bad about making an investment and her like being manipulative.
That would make me feel bad.
That would make me feel like that.
Would you be able to pay like 50-50?
You guys split it?
That way you're not.
I wouldn't expect her to pay.
But I would pay for my girls.
Shout out to extra avatars every day.
We'll let Brian do that.
If me and Tatum go on a date.
I want her home at 11.
You know, In and Out, I got you.
You want a milkshake?
I got you.
That's a very wholesome date.
What flavor do you get?
I love NNO.
NNO?
Yeah, what flavor are you?
I go for chocolate.
I drink your milkshake.
I drink it up.
Okay.
Why do you go on a date?
Why do you have that?
No, Ryan.
I've been.
Ryan, your biz needs to be better.
This is not okay.
My what?
The Riz.
The Riz?
The Riz.
You're trying to gag this girl.
Your Riz is just off.
It's like game Riz.
Your Riz is game.
My Riz is game.
See, but that's convenient for women to say because women don't need game or Riz.
You just show up.
I mean, if they want an actual relationship, they need gaming.
If they want to just get used to sex game, only date ugly men, maybe.
Okay, well, that's true.
Doesn't the man sort of.
Oh, sorry, sorry.
Doesn't the man's Riz sort of set the tone for like all of the.
But if she's not charismatic back, are you still going to talk to her?
If she's like a.
Hi, yes, my name is Tim.
I do like sunsets and walking on the making herself.
Like, you got to talk back.
It goes both ways.
If she sounds like a weirdo, you're going to keep talking to her.
No, I just mean, I just mean, aren't women kind of impressionable, I guess is what I'm saying.
Yes.
Yes.
But I think it goes both ways.
Yeah, yeah.
More in one way than another, but I agree.
It goes both ways, that's true.
Tatum, get off your phone.
I'm sorry.
She's texting her other boyfriend.
No, are you joking?
She's like, y'all are going to have some nice takeout tonight.
Brian's getting missing good dogs.
I'll bring you the leftovers, babe.
Don't worry.
Love you.
She's like, I'm playing this little so good.
Stop it.
Get some help.
This is dunk on Prime Hour.
You're correcting all my toxic masculine.
I know.
I like Michael.
It's very good.
You like Michael?
Oh, shall we do that?
Let's get him on the podcast more.
Okay, oh, wow.
I thought I was a co-host.
Yeah, I thought I, well, no, I like getting in these.
I'm glad that we have a positive reception for you, Michael, because I wasn't sure.
Maybe I thought, you know, you are a genocidal maniac.
I am a genocidal maniac.
So I was concerned.
But these ladies can see beyond that.
You know, it's listening.
Sometimes it's like men are from Mars, women are from Venus.
You don't need to agree on everything.
It's like sometimes the man loves genocide.
Sometimes the women, you know, they like hamburgers or whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, genocide is.
By the way, since Ben here, Ben, it's right?
Pro-life and pro-genocide.
Those are two crazy things.
Since you're joining the panel here, just do you want to just introduce yourself to the audience?
I don't think you really got a chance.
I'm Ben Davies.
I'm the producer of the Michael Knoll show.
And you can also check me out on Cream of the Crop on PureFlick, streaming now.
Yeah.
They've launched this week.
This is the other thing.
So Ben is a pretty well-known actor, especially in Christian movies.
And I didn't believe this because I don't really watch Christian movies.
But one time I was on my stream, and Mr. Davies here walks in the background.
And someone in my stream was just like, is that my favorite actor, Ben Davies?
I was like, I don't.
But it was his mother who said that.
It was a good cry.
We want to see the acting happen.
I'm not less to get paid.
I do have to get cash and pay for that.
I would ask Brian, but he doesn't pay.
He doesn't first date.
He'll pay half of his feet, actually.
He'll get you next time.
Okay.
What's your relationship status?
I'm married.
Oh, with kids.
Name is Michael.
Oh, congrats.
I've been married for eight years now.
Eight years.
How old are you?
33.
30.
Oh, okay.
We're the same age.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes.
Okay, cool, cool.
All right, let me do a couple of these chats here.
We have Dayvon Jackson.
If you can pull that back up, the Stream Labs tab.
Yo, we got 50 here.
Thank you, Dave On Chad, gets to hit it for free.
And these other losers get the privilege of taking her on dates, laughing my ass off.
Kind of related to what we were just talking about.
I mean, yeah, that's one of the reasons why guys don't want to be made out to be suckers is like, you know, it's funny, like, think of like a celebrity.
Do you have, maybe all of you can tell me, do you have a celebrity crush?
Timothy Chalamet.
It was Timothy.
Timothy Chalamet.
Would you want Timothy Chalamet?
Well, maybe what you want is not the right question.
Would you require Timothy Chalamet to pay for you?
Or is he of such a high enough status that you would be willing to accept?
That dude is making so much money.
I would be like crazy.
What?
Of course he should pay.
He's like so.
The thing, though, do you know celebrities?
Have you spent time with celebrities?
Some.
So you may or may not have noticed.
Celebrities are extremely weird.
Like they won't shower sometimes for periods.
Like they do really weird things.
So I wouldn't be surprised.
You out on the date with a celebrity and he intentionally just doesn't pay.
Do you still go on another date with him?
Poster check.
Tatum, poster check.
Sorry.
You're good.
Do I go on another date with him if he doesn't pay for the first one?
Yeah.
If he intends to pay for the second one?
Yeah, that is a good one.
Well, I was also saying, I don't think I like, I personally don't care if the guy pays.
I literally said that multiple times.
I don't either.
I just was saying, I think it's a contradiction for Brian to say he won't pay for the type of person he is.
Well, what type of person am I?
A guy with traditional values.
Am I?
You pretend to be.
I don't know.
You seem like you are sometimes, and you seem like you're not the next.
Somebody cannot keep up, Brian.
What if I'm just an egalitarian?
That's the worst of all.
You know, I actually like, though, I like the impulse for a woman to want to pay or at the very least to offer to pay.
Because it's a sense of, hey, we're navigating this weird modern world where everything's screwed up and nothing's settled.
And then when the man says, no, I'll pay, it would be nice if the woman, like, I go, cool.
All right.
What did she like to do?
Yeah, I would say I got ice cream.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's nice.
But then the man still shouldn't let you pay for the ice cream.
Nice.
He should pay for everything.
Okay, nice.
I think.
Nice.
I am taking some L's tonight.
Yes, you are, right?
Yeah, they're tearing you to shreds.
Yeah, good times.
Okay, we have these last three here, or last two, on Streamlabs.
Then we have to go back to YouTube.
Okay.
Dank Naked, thank you for the 50, man.
Scuffed intro, technical difficulties from the Star.
Glad the show is still the same.
Thank you, Bryce.
Appreciate it.
Alvin Sam, thank you for the 50.
Brian and Michael, would you smash the hottest trans woman in the world?
Yeah, we already did that one.
Or did we answer?
This is the new philosophical test.
It's like the train analogy.
The trolley dilemma.
The trolley dilemma.
Would you smash the oldest trans vesta?
I don't know.
What is this?
No, would you rather sleep with the oldest woman in the world?
We're talking like, what, like 112 or something by now?
This question is.
Or the hottest trans woman in the world.
Oh, if those are my two choices, then I would get married to the oldest woman in the world and then, you know, do what married couples do.
So faced.
Hopefully, hopefully you don't kill her, right?
Okay.
All right.
I think that's it for those ones.
Oh.
And then we have.
Some came in.
Oh, no.
Well, let me get the super chat ones.
Did we do this one?
Yeah.
Did we read this one?
Yep.
Are you sure?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, we.
Yeah, we did.
Okay.
Yes.
Oh, yeah, we got that one.
Yo, Tara, Tara, Tara, Tara, Kratz.
Thank you for the 50.
Appreciate it.
Looney boy, thank you for the 50.
Brian got made fun of for looking like he sells Bibles.
Now we have full-blown Bible study.
Keep doing the Lord's work.
Gentlemen, oh, the Drew Afoilo video will react to that really quick.
Protect Kiko.
She's a good sport.
Keep selling those Bibles.
I got you, man.
Apparently, according to Drew Afwalo, I am a Bible salesman.
We'll pull up that video here in a sec.
OCJ, thank you for the 50.
Bombshell in Blue, can we clone you?
Oh, Rip, she left.
You definitely have very attractive mindset in views.
I keep saying this as a person.
Ella?
Okay.
Rare to find that in woman nowadays.
Hey, OC, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
I can coordinate a little rendezvous with Kiko if you'd like.
Drive, thank you for the Merci Bouco per la Canadienne 100.
Mr. Knowles MGTOW, men going their own way within the church.
What do you think and why?
Also, Red Pill PUA, et cetera.
I feel there is a growing number.
Sure.
Is that a thing in the church?
Men going their own way?
I mean, no.
Except in the sense that you can be a single person and consecrate that to God, or you can be a priest or a nun or a, you know.
What do you mean going their own way?
Like not dating, not getting married.
So you can do that, but you need to have some kind of vocation.
So either you need to either need to marry God or you need to marry a lady.
There's no just like do your own thing, man.
You can make yourself.
You do you.
That's not allowed in the church.
So if people are doing it, it's because they're not well catechized.
Okay.
So you just, it's not okay to be alone.
Well, no, if you're with God, you know, I mean, if you're like, or if you join a religious order or something like that, then you're not alone.
God is a woman.
So if you don't have a wife and kids or husband and kids, you have to be a nun or priest.
Or you're just going against God.
You can have a kind of consecrated singlehood, even as a lay person, but it would have to be a devotion to God.
Because marriage is an analogy.
It's a symbol of Christ's life.
So what makes that them being a person that's a Catholic that's single versus a Catholic that's devoted into their own religion, like whatever you just said.
What makes the difference between the two?
Well, the difference would be the object of your love.
So if they just think about it, if they just think that their love is for God, then they're fine.
But if they don't think about their love being for God, they're not fine.
I'm really trying to learn right now.
Well, I'm happy to teach you.
Faith without works is dead.
So you know the tree by its fruit.
And one good way to understand love would be that love is willing the good of the other.
So we talk a lot now about self-love and how it's just so important to love yourself.
And that is the path to absolute madness.
You want to have a love and a respect for yourself that's proper to you because obviously you can't love your neighbor as yourself if you hate yourself.
Sorry, that was just a wild statement.
What's the wild statement?
I don't know what's...
Self-love is leading to madness.
Yeah, it's just narcissism is what it really mostly is.
So like a statement that just sounds, I guess it's not yours so it wouldn't be narcissistic, but it's just, sorry, Brian.
It does.
It does.
It just leads to mad.
I don't know how else to describe it.
Because a man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package indeed.
So you need to direct your love towards someone else.
And ultimately, all of that love is pointed to its source and summit, who is God.
And so that doesn't mean...
You can't do that alone.
No, you can do that alone.
Plenty of people are celebrating.
God is not a woman.
God is a man, and you should respect his pronouns.
I believe God's a woman.
Eric, did you say we have just one more in Streamlabs?
One more that came through?
I think, Kiko, after you named the 200 countries, could you name the 12 continents?
I think there's a lot of people who are not.
There are 195 countries you rode scholars.
Okay, let's pull up.
Excuse me.
Let's do the Twitch, then the Drew clip, and then let's wrap.
Go ahead, Eric.
It's not laugh.
It was technically a lot of people.
I also had a bunch of people ask me in text message if that ring is real.
The ring?
Yeah, the ring.
No.
I can't see it from here.
Oh, it's right.
It really belongs to me.
Does it have some weight to it?
Or is it plastic?
And socks.
$7 from Amazon.
There's a lot of people who are going to be able to do it.
I'll take it by the end of the day, and we'll find out.
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Eric, can you go ahead and pull up that Drew Afwalo?
I'm sorry, I can't pronounce your name.
Pull up that clip.
I want to get the panel and Michael's take on this.
Go ahead.
So you think you're a 10?
Yeah?
I think I'm gorgeous.
I think I'm perfect.
Listen, don't take this the wrong way.
You're not a 10.
You're not a 10.
Okay?
That's just your opinion.
All right.
First of all, every time I feel like we stamp out a roach, aka a white man with a podcast like this, he contributes literally nothing up.
So he, or she, Drew, said, every time we stamp out a, what was it, a roach, a cockroach, aka a white man with a podcast.
Now, which is just redundant, by the way, right?
All white men in America today have a podcast, I think.
Are there any men who don't?
It's like a trophy.
We put back in the world.
Like, our voices are being silenced.
Let's put them back out.
We gotta reinforce it.
So basically, she was reacting to a clip from our podcast.
We have a segment, actually, perhaps we should do it before we wrap, where we ask everyone to rate themselves on the scale of one to 10 in terms of their physical appearance.
And the girl said she was a 10.
And you said she's not.
I said she wasn't.
So that's your opinion.
Maybe there's like a hacker.
She's a 10.
But so in any case, she's reacting to, you know, I'm perhaps a bit blunt or rude in me saying, hey, look, I don't, she identifies as a 10, and I do not subscribe to her self-assessment.
But I guess the troubling statement that I found there was she says, another cockroach, what did she say?
We stamped out another cockroach, aka a white man with a podcast.
Now, I think if you were to replace white man with any other group, that would be a, or at least viewed from someone who's as a very troublesome statement.
White people are the only race that you're not only permitted to disparage, but actually encouraged to disparage.
And you're going to legally discriminate against.
And then men are the sex that you're allowed to publicly disparage, encouraged to do so, can discriminate against.
Because those two, white people as a race and men as a sex, whatever, chromosomes, whatever makes you feel most comfortable putting it, have, yes, you guys can face discrimination, but there's no prejudice line in between it.
So honestly, it's just words.
It's just words.
She's called white people cockroaches.
Okay, and you want to know what I've been called?
My people have been called us.
I would rather you have that one statement.
I don't think you get called all those terrible things.
I got a message yesterday saying he's going to burn me alive like the nigga I am.
So yes, I do all the day, constantly, day in, day out.
That's the difference.
Disavowed disavow.
No, it's not.
Why are you saying it's not happening?
No, I just wonder.
So you get a message from a guy online, right?
Every public person gets all these mean, really nasty messages.
But in the culture, the only racially disparaging message that anyone could hear in movies and TV and music is against white people.
You would never hear it against any other people.
Oh, you wouldn't?
Because it's been in the movies and TVs and I heard my white teacher read the hard N word.
What do you know?
That's not on our school.
Well, Huckleberry Finn?
Yeah, if you're reading Huckleberry Finn.
I'm talking about to kill a mockingbird.
But it's you don't, what you're not understanding is these words.
What you're saying is because there's no, you guys didn't face the prejudice and discrimination for all those years backing behind it.
Does it make it as basically that?
Yes, no, it's not wrong.
Right now, all unjust racial prejudice at the public level is directed against white people.
And to a little bit Asian people, because they get lumped in in affirmative action, too.
It's the only race, also a little bit with Asians, but it's mostly white people.
It is legal to discriminate against white people for the purposes of getting into colleges and getting jobs.
That's not true of any other race.
In fact, other races have an advantage.
They get away from what?
Because why?
Because why, Michael?
Because why, my diversity hiring practice.
But because why?
Why are these in place?
Why are these in place?
Because of an unconstitutional policy called affirmative action.
But why do we have affirmative action?
Why?
Why?
Because liberals have a racial caste system and they don't like white people.
Okay, but he's like, now it's not being respectful when we're ignoring why these things are in place.
Like, y'all didn't have black people enslaved for all these years.
That's the reason why we have these things in Peru.
Because we're not equal.
We're trying to create more equality because we're so far gone from that.
I was abolished.
But slavery was abolished in 1865.
It's 2020.
And when does segregation get when was segregation fully segregation?
Well, self-segregation still exists.
And how segregation exists as a matter of public policy at universities?
There are now at universities black-only dorms that white students are not allowed to enter.
So segregation still exists today.
It's just by I personally don't give a fuck, but that's not what I asked you.
You did it.
You asked me about it.
No, I asked when disregarding it's not a problem.
Yeah, I'm talking about legal segregation.
No, I'm talking about segregation.
It's going on today.
I mean, it's segregation by choice, obviously.
Because it's 1155.
Yeah, I agree with her.
I think we should do this on the next episode.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
Should not be getting introduced to you.
Last question on that, though.
So, just really quick to put kind of maybe a chair on top of that.
How do you define racism?
I hate doing this off the top of my head.
Here's the question.
Because I don't want to say something that you guys try to tear it.
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a very let me come back to that question.
Do you think you can be racist against white people?
No.
You could be dis I think you could be discrimination.
I feel like you could.
Hold on.
I want to go around the table on this before I Michael or I respond.
What about you?
No.
No, so you can't be racist against white people.
I think you can discriminate against them or you can be prejudiced against them.
But it can't be racism comes from a place of like someone having less power over someone else or more power over someone.
If white people right now can be discriminated against as a matter of law and they're basically the only race for whom that is true and if there are now major policies flirting, how is that the only race that's true for I feel Asians also belong to races can still be discriminated against, and it happens all the time.
So why no?
They can be discriminated in favor, so they can.
So when black people apply to colleges, they can get a boost.
Okay, so you're using one example with colleges, when you don't talk about police brutality or other stuff, because there wasn't like there was.
Only there wasn't that demographic in colleges or workplaces as much, so it's more accessible to be able to get there.
But i'm just saying, either way, if you just looked at someone's sat scores a black person and a white person with the same sat score the black person is going to get that spot at the university.
That's what affirmative action does wait.
So can you be racist against white people?
No Tatum, I say no a little louder.
I don't see sorry.
No Victoria oh, I thought.
Okay um yes, I mean you skipped.
You just skipped the no, of course.
And in this context, you just saw a video where someone was saying something blatantly racist and she's not gonna lose her job or get castigated.
Most people at this table agree with her.
The difference is for you in your case, like what that person dm'd, you is horrible and everyone would condemn that, and that's.
That's where you can see the clear racism divide there, where you could see that you could say all these horrible things about white people, everyone will whitenite, and justifiably so, or like for white people, no one will do that and then if it's a black person, there will be so much action.
Yeah, it's because we just don't feel that bad for y'all.
After everything, it's it's you should feel bad for everybody, because racism isn't a fair treatment, race or color.
Third, it's not racism, it's prejudice and discrimination.
prejudice and discrimination I don't think she should be saying that about white people, period.
I don't think it's something that should happen.
I'm not saying it's okay.
It's wrong, no matter who it's to.
But it's not racist.
It is.
Hold on.
Off the dictionary and define the colours.
If I can get my phone right now, I would love to see it.
Does she come from that?
From different men.
Racism is unfair treatment based on different races.
But even by your definition, even if it's just from power, like someone who has legal power.
Right, but so even from that position, right now, the legal power is such in the country that if you were a white person, it is lawful for you to be discriminated against.
So where's the power resign in the country?
Let's look at most people in politics.
Let's look at most people who have power.
Let's look at the past, the history.
Like, you always like to bring up the history.
Where does that lie with?
White people.
So why?
They have the power.
So yes, maybe she called you a cockroach.
I'm so sorry.
But you guys don't really have to feel racism to the extent that people of color do.
And you'll never understand it because you're not a person of color.
But you can't.
Period.
You won't get it.
It's the same thing as you don't understand stuff that woman had to deal with.
And we won't understand the stuff that men have to deal with.
It's like even the fact that you could see, like, I can giggle and laugh in a second though, but like, I don't care what anyone says.
I could tell from the standard table, we are the two most POC colored people on the table.
And you can sit and have this conversation and laugh and giggle and have funny times.
This is not anything funny to us right now.
This is something we deal with a lot of daily life livelihoods.
It's really serious, though.
You know what's really serious?
The only race in America, and also the Asians a little bit, but pretty much the only race is the same as the people.
He's going to be the same thing the fourth time.
Stop interrupting.
Stop interpreting.
You can sit here and laugh and giggle at the fact that white people are discriminated against in America as a matter of law.
And you can laugh and giggle at the fact that men can be discriminated against, can be castigated publicly, can be disparaged, and that will be encouraged.
So you can laugh about that because you guys have the power and you're allowed to enjoy that.
But we, the poor straight white males here, we feel that and we laugh who we're talking about.
How many times have you been doing that?
So he reviewed the same thing.
Michael, let me ask you a question.
How many times have you been attacked when you're like just doing something, like walking around the street?
No, but without being known, without being known, because now you're probably known.
Before you were attacked, people come up to you and being like, oh, you crazy white person, and just attacking you purely for your race.
You need to leave.
I've been attacked multiple times, and it's happened to me.
Really?
And that's what I'm saying.
People come up to you on the street this time.
Yes, I was afraid of the people.
I've been called a nigger to my face more than five times.
People have attacked me.
Yes.
By whom?
Random people.
One time it was an Asian lady.
It's been three older white men.
It's usually older white men.
Older white men.
And a white girl, by older white men.
In what context?
They just rock up.
One time I honked at somebody because they almost hit my car.
She rolled her nigga.
I wonder, nigger.
Oh, you know what?
Another time I worked, I went with my friends.
This is back.
This is the first time I ever got called to my face.
When I was 16 years old, my friends from K through 8 took me to their friend's house.
He actually went to play the next year.
He played four years as a linebacker at Alabama, right?
We're at his auto body shop.
I walk in.
He's like to his friend, oh, y'all brought the nigger with you.
Like, it's nothing.
Have you ever been racially trivial?
You're going to have to say to this 300-pound six-foot-five white dude.
You know what I'm sit there?
I'm just sitting there smiling and calling that shit to my face.
You don't have to deal with that shit.
You know what I wonder, though?
I do wonder.
You don't have the fear for your life because you're white.
Yeah, listen, I think you could probably handle yourself pretty well.
By 125 pounds.
I think Hugo's probably pretty scrappy.
But I wonder in that first instance, which is obviously not to excuse it, but in that first instance, do you think the guy called you that, or the lady or whoever it was, because that person hates black people?
Or do you think, as I frequently think these sorts of things go, do you think that person called you that because that person didn't like you and didn't like what you did or whatever?
Okay, so I have another instance.
They don't like black people.
I just don't think it's that.
Like, for instance, I've been called a guido, right?
No, I have another instance because— Well, I've been called a guido, and I don't think it's because the person hates Italian people.
I think it's because the person doesn't like me.
So it's half half Italian, too, and that's not anywhere near Greg.
We go nowhere near nigger, so that's why you're not.
No, no, those are two things.
It's exactly what I'm saying.
I might be so mad at what a Mexican or someone person does on the street, my first reaction isn't to be calling them the B word.
That's not where my mind goes.
Someone who wants their first reaction is calling you a B word because they hate all Mexicans.
That's where that stems from.
I don't think yes, let me give you an instance.
Listen, listen.
I was five years old and I was with my older sister.
We're both very obviously POC.
We're at Barnes and Noble.
It's so obvious.
And we're reading books.
Just reading books, minding our own business.
A white man comes up to us and says, Hold the microphone closer to us.
You two need to leave.
You don't belong here.
Your people are ruining this country.
And he started harassing us.
So we had to get the people in Barnes and Noble saw this.
Obviously, we're like, okay, that's not okay.
We're two young girls.
The police were called.
Things were happening because he was physically attacking us and verbally attacking us.
He's physically attacking me?
Yeah, he was pushing my sister.
It got extreme.
And it's just because we're sitting there reading books, like, what is people call you violent, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it has really anything to do with your race.
You don't know what you're saying.
No, it was yelling at me.
This is what you're talking about.
And there's a lot of old kids.
No, I just don't know what you've been doing.
It's a bad thing.
I'm not saying it's a good thing to say all these words.
It's totally bad, but it doesn't mean you should, like, what we've seen in the videos that the black or Afro-American woman was relating her hate towards another race.
So she was trying to do what you have been trying to get rid of for so long.
So how does it make a difference?
None of us said it was okay.
We just said it's not racist.
None of us said that she could continue doing that.
We just said because of the history of how racism, according to sociology and how the term is defined, it's not racist because y'all haven't faced any oppression for it to be racism.
It's just discriminatory.
If the law discriminates against you, it's obviously some kind of oppression.
Wait, and I just also wonder, like, you know, you've mentioned this that you've been called all sorts of mean names because you're black.
I would not know that you are black if you didn't tell me that.
That's the thing because maybe you're not racist.
I wouldn't believe you're racist.
I wouldn't believe you're racist.
But I would think you're right.
But racist people.
I am half Italian.
I'm 25%.
25% is Sicilian, the rest from northern Italy.
But that's the thing.
Those racist people, a lot of people could think I'm Latin, whatever.
Racist people, they can tell.
That 2% blood, whatever they can, I don't know if they can sniff it out of me, they know.
They know.
Maybe.
I'm telling you.
Well, I don't even think it matters whether or not they know she's by.
Like, I've been called black so many times and I'm not even black.
It's just they assume they generalize.
They just, like, I would think you're white passing, even if you're a person of color.
But am I a person of color passing?
No.
So that I'm just white.
Wait, so how about this?
Or I'm nothing.
Throughout history, have white people ever faced racism at any point in history?
Yeah, obviously.
There was the whole Holocaust.
But that's at the hands of other white people.
Let's talk about the hands of someone that's not white.
It was at the hands of white on all white white people.
Let's talk about that.
Not to get too touchy politically, but there was this study that just came out that got everybody in a lot of trouble, like the Dilbert guy, because it was a study about feelings of racial consciousness and racial antipathy.
And so there's a Pew Research study that came out on racial consciousness, and it examined Asians, Hispanics, blacks, and whites.
Found out the question was, is your race somewhat or very important to your identity?
And for Asians, Hispanics, and blacks, it was all 50 plus percent.
For black people, it was over 70%.
For white people, it was 15%.
It's very low racial identity.
And then there was this survey of the people who are going to be able to do that.
Why do you think that is?
Because y'all don't have to consider your racial identity day to day.
I can't basically go a single day of my life.
I can't go a single day of my life almost without being reminded that I'm black.
Literally, it's just so.
Because y'all don't have to deal with it.
So you just ruin it to us.
You don't even see it.
It happens in everyday life for us, and you don't even see it because you don't have to deal with it.
Yeah, it's nothing to you.
Your race is not a thought to you because you're just a white man.
It's nothing to you.
Me being a black woman, I have to navigate certain things.
I have to be like, okay, maybe, like, me and my mom stopped somewhere before.
My mom's black.
On the way from San Francisco to here, we stopped somewhere, had to leave because we were threatened to leave.
It was like San Ardo or something.
We didn't realize that.
So, you bring a civil rights to yourself.
You don't have to consciously be like, oh, I can't stop here because it's a sun downtown.
I can't stop here because they're known for being racist.
There are plenty of places where there are plenty of places where I wouldn't stop because I'd get shot or something.
Why?
Because what you go online and say, right?
Because of how you persona, not because you're a white man.
No, because I'm a sort of preppy-looking white guy driving, you know, I actually don't drive a very nice car.
But if I drive into certain neighborhoods, I am probably going to be hassled a little bit.
And probably my race would have something to do with that.
Well, I think it just had, I don't think it would have to do with your race.
I think it would just have to do with whether or not you're a person who looks like a race.
You don't think a white guy rolls up, a sort of relatively modest-looking white guy, rolls up into Watts in the middle of the night and pulls into a gas station wearing a pink polo shirt, you know, going to the ATM.
You don't think he's going to get hassled a little bit?
But so is a black woman.
Anyone's going to get hassled in that situation, not just a white man.
You're not getting hassled in that situation because you're a white man.
You don't think that the white guy who rolls up into Compton in the middle of the night at the ATM, you don't think he's more likely to be harassed than an Asian guy?
No, I think they're going to equally be harassed.
Unless they're, you could obviously, they're both clearly packing a gun or something, unless the white man's a lot smaller than the other man.
If they're the same size, you're equally going to get harassed.
You're not going to get harassed in the world because you're a white man.
I don't know that that's borne out in the real experience of violent crime.
Irish too, by the way.
Hmm?
The Irish too?
They were sort of.
They were discriminated.
You know, I'm part Irish, but I'm not.
They were discriminating too.
The Irish were discriminated against.
Oh, against by who?
The English.
So white on white.
Okay, so once again, they're not going to get English online.
That's almost like victim blaming.
How's that victim blaming?
It doesn't explain what you're saying.
That's not a problem on race.
Maybe it has to do with origin of where they came from, but it has nothing to do with skin tone.
White people don't migrate into predominantly black countries.
Other than colonialism, which isn't exactly regular migration in modern times, that doesn't happen.
So there would be no historical example for that.
So we migrated into this area or you guys colonized this area?
Well, it depends which people you're talking about.
So both.
Hispanic, slaves.
I mean, they talk, you took African-American people from Africa, brought them here, and you're like, oh, well, now we don't want you here.
Descendants of slaves, obviously.
Okay, Mexican people.
California was Mexico.
Literally.
So I don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah, I mean, but there are many.
There are two million illegal aliens who cross into the country.
Oh, aliens.
Wow, they're not humans.
Abortion.
What?
No, that's just a.
That's true.
It's illegal.
Alien just means a foreigner.
But I'm just saying, they're not people from California.
They're people who come up from Nicaragua, Honduras.
I think it's a technical term.
It's an illegal term like I'm an alien in this country.
Yeah, you're a resident alien.
She's a Ukrainian.
Not like that.
Besides the point, you're saying they came here.
Yeah, so they'll come from Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala.
So it's not like they were living in Texas or California.
They've chosen to immigrate into the country.
And yeah, that happens a lot.
So I'm saying there's a lot of people who are lived who lived here way long before.
Because this used to be Mexico, right?
You pushed them out.
We pushed them.
I'm not saying you're not.
Sort of.
Michael is a genocide.
I'll say it was actually.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, I agree.
I am.
So you push them out.
And now they want to come back.
And you're like, no, you're illegal now.
So we can't do that.
No, no, no.
When you annex a territory, it's not that you deport everyone.
It didn't deport all the sort of.
Well, because it wasn't deporting back then.
It was just like killing them and saying leave.
No, not really.
I mean, even, you know, it was.
I mean, there wasn't really a law that the United States wasn't developing.
No, there wasn't a genocide of the Mexican people at the annexation.
There was genocide of the native American people.
There's genocide in other people.
There weren't?
Not really.
Not in the way that you would probably be describing.
No.
I mean, it's much more complicated.
The settlers' Indian relations were very complicated.
I think about some of my ancestors.
You're white.
You're right.
No, I just happen to have read certain history books and can tell you what happened.
And so, you know, like when, for instance, when the pilgrims come here, they create a great alliance with the Massasoit and the Wampanoag Indians.
They didn't just go slaughter everybody.
In fact, the Wampanoags helped the pilgrims to go attack the Massachusetts.
And so it's just a much more complicated history than a lot of people want to pretend, which is like white man bad.
Everyone else.
I don't think it's just the I agree.
I don't think it's black and white, but I'm saying it's very complex and it's a very complex thing that I don't think you guys will ever understand.
Yeah, I think I can.
If you got rational faculties, you can understand a lot.
Not really, unless you have to teach yourself everything.
I don't need to suffer cancer to understand how cancer functions.
I feel like not to research it, sure, but like I, no matter how much you say, you will never understand what somebody is going through with cancer unless you have cancer.
I could never claim to know what that's like.
That's asinine to say that.
But the reason that there's such a thing as sympathy or compassion.
Yeah, well, empathy.
Is that what you're looking for?
No, empathy is when you actually do have an experience that one shares.
But what I'm talking about is sympathy or compassion, which is suffering with somebody.
That we do all the time.
Yeah, you're suffering with them, but you're not experiencing what they're experiencing.
Just because you know somebody who has cancer doesn't mean you now know what it feels like to have cancer.
That's what you just said.
But the problem is that if we cannot understand the private feelings of other people, if we cannot communicate that in any way, then there cannot be any such thing as cancer.
I agree, and we should try to understand, but if we cannot accept the fact that even if we try to understand, we will never truly understand 100% unless we have gone through it, we have to accept that as well.
But then, Kiko, I could tell you, you can never, you can never understand my experience.
I won't.
But you're reporting to me.
You're saying that white people haven't suffered depression.
You're saying that I'm not afraid of what you're doing.
Yeah, but I'm sure you have experienced this person.
I'm sure you've experienced as you're as an individual being, as a Christian man, whatever.
I wouldn't understand anything.
As a non-white person is how you, I guess, identify.
I'm half-white, technically.
Go ahead.
Yeah, right.
Well, yeah, and Sicilian, you know, that's a liminal question.
But I'm just saying, you are identifying as not white, right?
So as a non-white identifying person, I'm just telling you, based on your own logic, you could never understand.
You could never understand the suffering, the constant turmoil.
Yeah, see, now you're seeing all the suffering and stuff.
Yeah, I wouldn't say you've endured such suffering, but your life experiences, no, I wouldn't understand.
It's just absurd when it goes in the other direction because it just means we couldn't communicate.
You could try to understand, but you understand what makes sense and you can see that there was suffering, like you're just saying, like sympathy.
You can understand.
But I'm joking.
I don't think about suffering ever almost.
Suffering is just a fact of life.
And it can be, it's neither good nor bad.
I mean, it's a bad, sad fact of the world that we all suffer, but it doesn't have, you know, the only thing that matters morally is how you react to suffering.
It can either be degrading or it can be edifying, sanctifying.
One super chat, and then we're going to wrap.
All right, we have Terra Gratz.
Thank you for the 50.
Kay made a very definitive claim about religion.
Chase responded to that specific claim.
All the girls on the panel then put on earmuffs like Chase brought religion out of nowhere.
Don't make declarative statements and act so immature when they respond to you.
Check out me and Chase on a podcast in the future.
It's a good response to that question.
That's in the books.
Last question for Sam here.
So Sam, you were dating this guy.
You are dating this guy, same guy.
They're not dating.
No, he's just saying a hypothetical question.
No, no, no, you are dating.
There's a guy you're dating currently.
Talking.
Talking.
Dating.
That's so complicated.
Jesus.
No wonder.
There's all these.
Okay, go.
Continue.
Yeah.
So you haven't hooked up with him.
Are you sure?
I mean, we've kissed, but I don't think that's hooking up.
I'm just a kiss.
Yeah, that's not hooking.
Yeah, just a kiss.
No.
So.
Not every girl is a 304, Brian.
You need to raise your faith.
You're scaring me.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, guys, it's 12.12.
Perfect time to wrap the show.
Before I do anyone final thought or question, otherwise I'm going to wrap.
Oh, divorcing me.
Oh, man.
Sorry.
Michael?
Well, you know, listen.
I thought you guys were.
He is after 2015, so I guess I could.
I'm taking.
Sorry to say.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
All right.
Final thought.
Anybody?
Last speak now forever.
Hold your peace.
I just want to give a shout out to that poor Asian guy that sent a chat in at the beginning of the show who got absolutely murdered.
Who was making $50,000 a year?
Yeah, because he's 523.
Don't broke and get past the hype.
Shout out to you, man.
Thanks for level up.
Thanks for watching.
There's a lot of women out there underpinning.
That was the most brutal thing I've ever seen on the show.
It's tough out there.
Well, hey, first off, I want to thank the wonderful panel.
We had numerous, we covered numerous hot button political issues and topics.
So appreciate you guys.
Appreciate everyone being good sports and having a really good conversation.
So thanks for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who super chatted and supports the show, means the world.
You guys killed it.
Seriously, really appreciate all the support.
Once again, big thank you to the panel.
Thank you to our chat mods.
Thank you to Chaz.
Shout out to The Daily Wire, of course.
Go check them out.
Check out Michael's YouTube channel, The Michael Knowles Show.
Be sure to check that out.
Any women who are short, my DMs are open at BD underscore Atlas.
Guys, we'll be live again Sunday.
Wait, yes.
Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific for our next dating talk show where we will have on Kiko and Ben Shapiro.
Just kidding.
That's not, just kidding.
That'll be a good conversation.
Anyways, guys, like I said, the perfect answer.
That was the perfect answer.
I ask myself every day.
Is it you, Michael?
It's not me.
No, no.
Oh, what was the perfect answer?
She said, who?
Who the fuck is that guy?
Really?
Sweet.
Anyways, guys, Tuesday, 7 p.m. Pacific, our next dating talk.
Dave Chappelle?
Dave Chappelle?
Don't worry about it.
Okay.
Anyways, guys, we'll see you next time.
Have a good night.
Thank you for tuning in.
And yeah, have a good time, guys.
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