Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California, every Sunday and Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki.
She's a bit shy.
She's somewhere.
I don't know.
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I don't know if he's still in the chat, but anyways, without further ado, guys, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation.
Hi, hello.
Where am I looking?
It doesn't matter.
You pick.
All right.
Great.
My name is Valence.
I am 47 years old and I am a seamstress for a living, but I supplement my income with good old OnlyFans.
How?
Sorry, 47?
Yeah.
What?
Is that funny?
Oh boy.
She's got face guns.
Oh boy.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Chat, do I?
Is it a sound for this?
Stop the cap.
You're right.
I'm 12 years old.
I'm a virgin.
I'm in the seventh grade.
I'm not sure how they got me on the show.
I know.
You should vet your client.
I'm sorry.
I won't roast you.
Thank you for having me.
So you're 47.
Yeah.
47.
Yeah.
Bro, you look like 35.
A little closer, a little closer.
You look like 35.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, that's very kind.
She's been my best friend for a few years.
I can, not cap.
Mia can verify 100%.
Do you have your driver's license on you?
I actually don't.
I'm not joking.
I actually don't have it on me.
She was driving, and we stopped for Red Bulls, and she's like, I forgot my wallet.
I did.
She literally does.
Stop the cow.
I'm still honestly.
Oh, no, for real.
I'm sorry, did I stop the podcast?
Are we going to continue?
Here, can you just show this camera?
My tattoo?
No, your forearm.
I mean, puts on sunscreen and has good skincare.
Lotion.
Do you have moisture?
Wait a minute.
Every single day.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's why you're still every single day.
That's really kind of you.
I don't think you're supposed to actually ask a woman's age last I checked.
I think that's like yet here we are.
That would have not been my first guess, but you look incredible.
Thank you, guys.
You're not 47.
Anime girls don't 80.
Anime girls don't 80.
All right.
You know what?
That's the key to life is to enjoy anime and have belief in God.
I think you're in your mid-30s.
Yeah.
Maybe early 30s, maybe late 20s.
You're not 47.
Okay.
But if you want to cap and because you're older male clientele.
Okay.
So, all right.
So fine, whatever.
I don't believe it, but that's fine.
So, okay, you're, and you do what for work again?
I'm actually a professional seamstress.
I make educational sewing content, but I do supplement my income with OnlyFans.
I made the costume I'm wearing today.
And you cosplay?
Cosplay?
I do cosplay.
Cosplay.
No, yeah, it's cosplay.
Yeah, costume play.
What costume is this?
This is actually a meme.
One that I'm very happy about.
The character is Guillero Toniero from Ace Attorney, but she's known as Clussy.
Just going back to this really quick, you're 47.
Do you have kids at all?
No.
Single by choice?
Well, single-ish by choice.
Okay.
And no kids.
Yeah.
What year were you born?
Damn.
All right, you got me.
I'm actually 64.
Oh, my God.
What year was Nixon president?
Actually, that's a great question.
You could ask me what year Bush was president, and I still don't remember, to be completely honest.
The American education system does a good job of teaching us these things.
Truly.
No, we just are incredibly incorrect.
Stop a calf.
I don't even know when the Great Depression was.
I'm going to be honest.
It was in the 30s.
Thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
It was after the great 20s.
And that was where it makes sense.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Send the asteroid.
Okay, we'll move on.
Go ahead.
Hi, my name's Devin.
I'm 28 and I am a personal assistant.
28?
I am.
Okay, that's cool.
I believe you.
Thank you.
My name's Alyssa.
I'm 24 and I work in medicine.
I'm trying to get into nursing school right now.
Do you sell weed or no, no, no?
I'm like, I work at a dermatologist.
So we do like skincare, cancer treatment, Botox filler.
Your skin is impeccable.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Impeccable.
Wait.
It's been a lot of effort.
Oh, I should have asked you this before the show.
Are you, so, are you willing to show the...
Oh yeah, for sure.
Wait.
Wait.
Other one?
Oh, for sure.
What are we showing?
They can't see.
Covered by the microphone.
Okay.
This way.
This way?
This way.
There.
I lived in Europe when I was 18, and I just kind of decided that I didn't want to shave because it was uncomfortable.
So why not?
Good to meet everyone.
Aw, that's cute.
Wait, so because you went to Europe for a year, that was...
Well, it was just kind of more that I realized that you didn't have to and that beauty standards for women in America are significantly different than the rest of the world.
And so my perspective shifted, and therefore I didn't care as much.
Can I ask a question?
Absolutely.
Would you let me sniff your pets?
Go for it.
I've been working all day let's.
Let's save it for later.
Let's save it for later.
You're just so okay.
Well, we have a date, you and I um, I'm here for it there right after this.
Can I show one of my pets?
Do you?
You also have some?
I've got something they're so afraid of you.
Oh oh, it's a tattoo.
Oh wow, that must have been so painful.
Six hours, baby.
That's fine that.
That took more money energy, and this is a six hour patient.
I just grew by myself six hours.
So there's something about armpit tattoos that no one will ever tell you.
They hurt, they hurt, and uh.
Part two is that during the healing, the back area, as you close your arm and keep it closed, will heal together.
So every time you open your arm, it rips open again, and so you have to get it touched up until until the scarring no longer appears.
Oh no, and it is pretty hardcore.
Thank you for that information, all right yeah, heads up.
If anybody wants an armpit tattoo, anyone was thinking about it.
Today is the day that you learned some things.
Well, we'll come back to the armpit hair discussion.
Go ahead once you introduce yourself, okay.
So my name is Neko Mia and I am 21 years old and I work full-time on only fans.
You said 21 right yes, okay.
Oh, my name is Emma and i'm 25 years old and I work as a nanny slash personal chef, and i'm also a student at UCSB as an ecology and evolution major.
GO Gauchos, GO Gauchos.
I'm a vicar.
I i'm a dating coach and a relationship coach.
Uh, i'm from Lay, from Comp.
Well, I'm from Gardeno, which is like right next to Compton.
And yeah, I've been doing this for two years.
I hope like wealthy men.
I love Gardena area.
You feel?
I love it.
All the food out there is so yummy.
I go everywhere.
Gardena and Torrance are like my favorite areas.
They got the best food.
The food there is immaculate.
I love it.
I love it.
I agree.
That's why I feel like I feel that.
Regardless.
Oh, I was about to say that.
I'm like a hawk skip and a jump away from you.
Yeah, you're like right there.
Yeah.
That's cool.
LA right there, which is like 45 minutes in traffic.
And you post content on TikTok, Instagram.
Oh, yeah.
I just got into like posting content on TikTok.
You can find me on Twitter.
It's cool like that.
Okay.
You can find me on Twitter, TikTok.
I just got into like Instagram, so my following isn't that high on Instagram.
But TikTok, literally today, I just passed like 10K.
Yay!
So I'm still like a small creator, but like by next year, I should be growing.
Yeah, that's bad.
Hey, ooh, thank you for the membership, man.
Appreciate it.
Watching from France.
Thank you.
Merci Bucou.
Okay.
Appreciate it.
So, guys, everyone's Instagrams are in the description.
Show them some love.
Give them a follow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let me just have you.
Can you pop off the wrist thing?
It's making a little noise on the table.
Yeah, if you just want to throw that in your pocket.
So we're going to go around the table one more time.
Guys, current relationship status, longest relationship.
And are you on any dating apps?
Go ahead.
Yeah, I'm actually partnered.
My longest relationship is about five years.
Partnered?
Current.
Is your current relationship the five-year one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I would say other than that, four and a half.
So it's a close second.
You said you're partnered.
Are you is it a heterosexual relationship?
Is it we are, yeah, we are.
But we are polyamorous.
Poly or ethical non-monogamy, whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, ENM.
I'm actually on Field.
It's an EM app.
Field.
I've never heard of that.
Yeah, F-E-E-L-D.
Honestly, it's really inclusionary.
I know maybe that's not for everybody, but that, yeah, you can select out by gender in terms of like even trans people.
If you want, if you're looking for trans women, trans men, couples, it's for couples for those of them looking for a third.
Now there's an app to find a third.
It's like designated for that.
So I love that there's a place for it because I know on like apps like Tinder, I know how it can be upsetting for some people to just always see, especially like bisexual women.
It can be frustrating trying to find other women and you just find couples.
So it's nice that there's a place for that now.
Field.
I'm not promoting them, but not sponsored.
So how long have you been seeing your current partner?
Yeah, five years.
Oh, five years?
Okay, gotcha.
I thought that was a different relationship.
Five years.
Okay.
And did it start open or was it monogamous at the beginning and then it switched?
Sure.
No, it was very monogamous at the beginning.
In fact, I was still very religious at the beginning.
And that's a whole other conversation, maybe for another day.
But yeah, we started out monogamous and it was actually in accepting more of my queer identity and wanting to not even necessarily be sexual with other women, but wanting to explore relationships with other women on a deeper level.
And that's where Polyam comes in because you don't necessarily have to be sexual, but it's important to be on the same page that like love and romance will be involved.
Okay.
Yeah.
And did you, did someone broach that?
Like, was it him?
Was it you that wanted to open up the relationship?
No, it was me.
My partner is demisexual.
And, you know, for those who aren't familiar, it means that you cannot be sexually attracted to someone who you don't have an emotional connection with already.
And so he's demisexual.
So for him, finding outside relationships can be really difficult.
But I'm actually on the ace spectrum.
You're asexual.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So do you guys not have intercourse?
Oh, Brian, this is such a long conversation.
Oh, my gosh.
We occasionally do.
And it's more of a method of connection as opposed to sexual attraction.
It's more of like being able to be close to somebody.
Yeah, because I don't necessarily derive anything from sexual connections outside of the same way people want to give massages to their partner.
You know, people want to service their partner in other ways.
And so that's kind of how I see sex.
It's like a service that I provide to my partner who I love very much and I want to feel connected to and we can connect in that way.
But yeah, I mean, but because of that, it isn't very often.
Do you get jealous at all?
Are you seeing other people too, or is it just more so open for him because you're asexual?
Sure.
Actually, my partner wasn't interested at all in opening the relationship.
And we've been having a lot of discussions about that.
We're very new to it as well.
I'm so sorry.
What was the question?
Does he get jealous?
Oh, I would say he gets jealous more than I do.
But even still, Polly is all about communication.
So anytime there's a moment of jealousy, we bring things back.
If I'm maybe seeing somebody, I might want to de-escalate that just to focus on my current relationship with him is my priority at this point, especially since we are so new into the community.
As far as jealousy for me, I actually, when I broached the topic, I know it's very hypocritical.
Eight months ago is when we really started talking about this.
And even in imagining him being with other people, I was feeling like this extreme jealousy.
But after, you know, that was eight months ago.
And I've had a lot of time to process and think about it of all these hypotheticals.
And I'm personally at a point now where, I mean, maybe this is a little too crass, but I could imagine my partner having sex with somebody else and being happy for them and then being able to enjoy an experience like that.
I really like it.
I love it.
It's, you know, I know that's maybe a little too intense, but.
So what's the point of putting a label on it?
I don't know.
We're committed to each other.
I guess that's all that matters.
Honestly, I feel I am also in a similar situation relationship-wise.
And I feel like sometimes putting a label on it just kind of helps us guide the path of what we are walking on and just to kind of help conceptualize it a little bit more.
But that doesn't mean we follow the label to the T.
I personally think labels are just there kind of as a guide.
You know what I mean?
How old is your partner?
33.
Sorry, that took me a second.
And you're 47?
I am 47.
Age gap relationship.
Yeah.
Ryan, get it together.
Oh, my lord.
Usually it's the other way around.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm a very dominant woman.
You're a very dominant woman.
Absolutely.
Dominique.
I'm in front of the house.
Very dominant woman.
I can sense that.
Are you also a dominant man?
Are we competing for alpha status?
Wow.
Now's the time to ask.
I don't believe in that, but I'm just messing with you.
Now's the time to ask.
Oh, I do have a question.
For who?
I mean, I hope we're not too early into the podcast.
I would love to hear both of your, as you know, as men.
You know what?
Actually, if everyone wants to take a turn, if this is okay, I would love to hear opinions on pegging.
Ooh, I've done it.
Oh no, the face you made.
No?
Well, we need to go around the table and let everyone explain their relationship status.
So we can come back to that for ever.
Perfect.
Put a pin in it.
Right.
Pegging it, baby.
Put it up, peggers.
So.
Thank you so much for having me, by the way.
I'm loving this.
Here's the thing, right?
So I dated a woman who was 45.
Okay.
And I feel like some people age differently, but I do think I have a good eye for someone's age.
And I just, the reason I'm pushing back on this, and I hope you don't object, is if you're prepared to misrepresent something so basic, something like biographical information, such as your age, it makes me concerned if we're going to be able to have a productive conversation if you're lying about something so basic as your biographical information.
Sure.
Do you see my concern?
Yes.
Okay.
So I had my fun.
I'm not 47.
I am 23.
You're not 23 either, though.
No, I am.
But she's not 23.
Oh, my God.
You guys, age is just a number, guys.
No, I'm not Cappin.
I really am.
Really 23?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Well.
Yeah.
So thank you for playing with me.
This was very fun.
But yeah.
I appreciate you putting up a bit of a challenge there for me.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Okay, moving on.
Current relationship status, longest relationship.
Single is current, thankfully.
And longest relationship would have to be probably about three and a half years.
And it wasn't healthy, so we can just like cancel that one.
How long have you been single?
Technically, I've been single for like four months.
Okay.
There was a situationship, for lack of a better term, about a couple weeks ago that ended quite abruptly.
Why did he dump you?
Yeah, we'll go with that.
Thank you.
We'll go with that.
Yeah, he did.
Kind of an interesting situation.
I'll ask your guys' advice on that later.
Sure.
Go ahead.
Oh, okay.
I have hosts in different area codes.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
No, actually, I do, actually.
Eric, can you boost the volume?
Can you?
Yeah, no, I can attest.
I'm going to lead my best friend Emma, by the way.
Yeah.
Would there be a few on the roster?
It's a fun time.
It's much better that way.
I think it's better to keep at least two people kind of in your thoughts so that one doesn't dominate your whole brain.
You know?
So how many people are you seeing right now?
I mean, at the moment, like actively, I'm seeing one person, but I was seeing somebody else that I kind of lost interest for.
Okay.
But recently, you were seeing two people.
Yes.
Okay.
And before that, like during COVID, it was like six.
Six.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was fun.
It was a lot of fun.
Is six the most amount of people that you've seen concurrently?
Or has there been periods where it's been more than six?
You know, I guess I don't really like think about it in my head as like, ah, right now I have six dudes or women that I would like to, you know, go out with on a Tuesday night.
You know, I have six different.
I don't really think about it like that.
It's just kind of like what happened.
One question.
Are those correctional lenses or are those?
Oh, you want to try them?
No, I'm just going to say that.
They're very, yes.
Okay.
Okay.
You need them then.
I very much need them.
Since I was five, I got made fun of.
And now they're cool.
Isn't that crazy?
Let me ask you a question.
So you said you think six is the most that you've had concurrent?
Maybe, yeah, something around there.
Could have been more, maybe seven, eight.
Probably.
I don't know, maybe.
Okay.
It was like during the era of like, I'm really sick of this pandemic and I want somebody to meet each of my needs.
Interesting.
Okay, meet each of your needs.
That's interesting.
one person doesn't meet all of your needs right so like yeah yeah let's let's go let's go into that a little bit so So what were the needs that you were getting met from each individual?
So for example, maybe one guy, he was your dinner date.
No, I don't.
I catch your drift.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
And that's absolutely correct.
There was a time in my life where I was working.
Back up.
My parents cut me off during the pandemic.
And so the job that I was working paid for my bills just fine before.
And then all of a sudden, I had a one-bedroom apartment with $1,600 worth of rent and two pets and a whole life to pay for.
And so food kind of hit like the lowest tier of like priority on rent, animals, healthcare, life, you know?
So it was almost kind of out of like a need for a little while.
Are you cold, by the way?
A little bit, but it's okay.
I have like a big jacket, so it's not a big deal.
Okay.
Eric, do you want to just close the door?
Go ahead.
Oh, thanks.
I appreciate that.
Sorry.
Bless you.
Sorry.
Sorry, where were we?
There was a food guy.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
So basically, at first I just kind of started scrolling through like, you know, Hinge just to see if I could like find a dinner date.
And then I actually kind of really liked all of the people that I ended up going out with.
And the thing that I actually thought was kind of funny is a lot of my six super chatted $50.
Brian, I will fly you Colombian woman right now to replace a clown.
Hippie and girls are different.
Hollywood is on the panel.
Do you actually see yourselves ever entering a serious relationship with a decent guy with year indecency?
Oh, seriously.
Maybe we've been in serious relationships.
What do you mean entering relationships?
We have them, baby.
We're not interested in you, honey.
Wow.
We'll pull that one back up and we'll get to it.
We'll have you continue with your story.
Yeah, okay.
So basically, you know, it was funny because all of the like apps that I was using, the people that I would go out with would be like, you know, you're the first person that actually we like took it out of the chat, you know?
Like, they're like, I've been talking to people for weeks and months and I never see them.
But, you know, it was kind of like one of those things where I was like, well, hey, what's up?
I think you're cool.
Let's get dinner.
And then real connections actually started from that.
I had this one guy.
Can you just enumerate the, you said that they met, each one of them met a different need.
Can you just quickly enumerate?
I was actually just about to get there.
Yeah.
So I had this one guy that he would text me every morning, good morning.
And he would be like, oh, good night, sweetheart.
And anytime I needed him, he was just there.
And that was great because I don't want to like.
Guys, don't do that shit.
Here's the thing, though.
Women love it.
And if you want to get laid, then they will fuck you.
So if you do that.
I don't know.
But that's good for you.
But maybe the women that you like don't like that.
But the men I like and the women I like do that to me.
And I like that.
Everyone has their own preferences.
You know?
Continue.
So continue.
There was another one that, you know, every once in a while he would get me some like nice gifts.
And so like, that was kind of nice.
I have like a gold necklace with my name on it and like a cardiac bracelet.
Okay.
That was kind of nice.
I appreciated that.
He took me to the Four Seasons a lot.
And I had a nice birthday.
That was cool.
Gosh, what was the other one?
There was another one that I used to just go out to restaurants with in Santa Barbara.
That was, I think, my favorite because we kind of had, like, we would try a new place like every week, you know?
And so I joke now with my coworkers that I've been to all of the nice date spots in town.
And so everyone always asks me.
Okay, so you were seeing all these guys all at the same time, concurrently.
And were you sleeping with all of them or just some of them you slept with?
No, I was sleeping with them when I was feeling like it.
There was no obligation, though.
I made it really clear from the beginning that this isn't an exchange type of relationship.
I'm here because I like you and you're here because you like me.
And if that changes, then we're done.
The pandemic, I think, really brought about the need for human connection in a way that I think was kind of pushed to the side before because we were so busy with other things.
And then all of a sudden, when we didn't have people in the grocery store and at our daily walks just out and about in the neighborhood, you kind of start to realize that just sitting across from the table with somebody and sharing a meal and having a conversation about your day, oh, that guy was so rude to me or, oh, that lady was so cute when she helped the dog.
I don't know, something stupid.
But just the ability to have human connection in a way that like there's no, I don't know.
There's like no extra strings.
There's no expectations.
And so just to confirm, was it you were sleeping concurrently with six guys, was it?
Well, no, there were women involved too.
Oh, so six men and a few women?
No, there were six people.
Six people?
Yeah.
Okay, so three men, three women, four women.
I think there were like two women at once.
Okay, two women, four women.
Mostly, it was typically dominated by men, but I would say that's only because you go unhinged for two seconds, you go boop, boop, and then they go, please expend your area.
You have lost all range.
There's nobody else in the whole area.
So, and then you're friends with all the lesbians, and they're either coupled or they're your friend.
So that is very common.
So very common experience.
To this, to this, and then there's like one person that you're kind of crushing on, and then you sleep with her, and it's not as good as you want it to be.
Such a letdown.
So just curious, so let's say like in a week time, what's the most, because maybe, I don't know if this was, you said it was concurrent, but maybe it was spread out over.
I mean, it was like during the pandemic, right?
It was like in a span of like, you know, six months, but it was like all of these people I was like talking to.
I want to ask you a question.
What is the, in a week's time, seven days, what's the most amount of people, maybe this was before, after the pandemic, before this period, what's the most amount of people that, new people that you've had sex with in a week's time?
Oh, I don't even know.
That's a great question.
You know what?
I mean, probably not.
I would say that I like kept the same partners once I found somebody that I liked, but I would kind of like recycle out people that I didn't quite often.
Recycle.
What about composting and all?
Oh, like I have a worm bin at home, actually.
I compost.
I have a tiny little worm bin in my kitchen.
Yeah, I haven't.
I have a garden.
I have an eco-friendly queen.
Are you talking about mealworms?
No, no.
Unfortunately, they're earthworms, so they eat all of my food scraps.
And that way, there's no methane.
We love that.
We love that.
So let me ask, in a 24-hour period.
Two.
Two people.
Yeah.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Within three hours.
Within three hours.
What about a 48-hour period?
Three?
Probably.
Yeah.
Four maybe?
I don't know.
That's a great question.
Well, it depends because there was like a couple, like there was like a threesome, and then there was like the next day.
So like, does that count?
Technicalities.
I really hope that nursing school does not find this.
I think you're asking for very, there seem to be some very complex answers.
Yeah, you're asking me questions that I've genuinely never thought about because it's just kind of like I'm living my life just out here vibing, you know?
Vibing usually means that you trying to take dig, you know what I'm saying?
Which is what I was just talking about.
That's so small-minded.
That's not small-minded.
Yeah, you can vibe with someone and not have sex.
She says she was having sex.
I was.
No, I was just out here vibing.
I think really like my main thing is like I like having like quality time with people.
That's kind of like my love language.
And so like I'm also a really hypersexual person.
So that's your love language.
Both.
I think they can intertwine and combine at the same time, but they don't necessarily always have to.
But in that 48-hour period, like what quality time were you having?
We would go out to dinner, we'd watch a movie, we would snuggle, have a conversation about the day.
I don't know, just catch up, talk about what your thoughts in your mind are because I live alone and I don't get to talk about those things normally.
So feel like this is a good idea.
So why don't you hit up your girls for like quality time?
I do.
We did yoga every single day during the pandemic.
Oh, you guys are so good.
Because I'm my best friend.
I was living in the desert at the time, so we would do it over Skype, basically.
So once she got off the call, she was like calling her.
It's all day.
So here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
I, during the pandemic, was furloughed from my job for like months.
And so all of a sudden, I study science, right?
So before the pandemic, I was working 40 hours a week.
I was going to school.
I had zero time for myself.
I had no fun.
I was so tired.
So all of a sudden, I had all of this time.
School's online.
I literally was just alone in my apartment for like days.
Literally days.
Where I was.
She belonged to the streets.
Go ahead.
What did it say?
He said, he belonged to the streets is what it said.
That's sound bites.
You know, I do love the streets.
The streets we call it.
They can be so beautiful.
Sometimes they have some street bites.
Doesn't it chat wrote a song about the streets, so it can't be that bad.
This is the difference between men and women, though.
So men, when they're like isolated, they develop that time to like self-improvement.
Well, how do you know that I didn't do that too?
Because you just told me right now that you invited a lot of people over when you were.
I didn't invite people over to my house.
I spent time alone in my home, but then I went out on dates and I spent time.
Why are you laughing?
I just, I don't understand like what your problem is with it.
My problem is that men and women approach that situation very differently.
Sure, but like my self-development has nothing to do with the fact that I was also involved in interpersonal relationships because I live alone and required them.
How would you feel if you were just by yourself for six months?
What was the difference between one of the best?
Derek Nanks one super chatted $49.99.
He really expects a real man who is worthy of being called high values.
He'd give you the time of day.
If you just want hookups, hit the streets.
Who actually wants stability or a partner for life?
That's all she might just describe.
Yeah, I mean, look, dude, I'm in my early 20s.
Like, I would love to settle down one day, but, like, I'm trying to live, just live my life.
Ian Hall superchatted $50.
When I heard Haram Bay, I was thinking the gorilla bro.
Apostolism explains three.
Got no words for red.
I do.
Understand.
A long comment.
Yeah, I'm trying to parse that one.
Can you explain with like maybe another $50?
Oh.
But to her cash app.
Yes.
Okay, let's- Well, I would love to ask a question.
Yeah, please.
Actually.
Why do you think that having sexual intercourse or sexual relationships and self-improvement cannot coexist?
Exactly.
I never said that.
I'm saying catching four bodies I think it was six Oh you call them bodies I think it was.
Oh, I know everything about you just saying that you called them bodies.
I'm saying catching six bodies, whether you're a man or a woman, it's like it is a lot to juggle.
Yes.
Yeah, so how can you even put time investment into self-improvement when you're trying to catch six bodies?
Can I chime in here for a second?
Please.
So, I think that if you want to grow as a person personally, you should allow yourself to experience different things.
And sometimes that means experiencing other people and their thoughts and their values, right?
Think about it.
When you say that, do you mean getting ran through?
Yes, Brian.
Here's the thing.
Yes, it can mean, it can mean sex, but she also mentioned that they should have conversations.
Yeah, do you enjoy having conversations with people who can kind of challenge your thought and maybe give you a new perspective on things?
But when you think about different experiences, you're thinking about like hobbies, you know, like women's hobbies.
That was a hobby for sure.
Yeah.
Having sex is your hobby.
Well, no, having relationships with people was definitely a hobby during the pandemic because there was nothing else to do besides.
But at the end of the day, what did it result in?
It resulted in me learning a lot about myself, actually, because now I know what I like and dislike.
No.
Now I know what I like and dislike in a partner because it wasn't just a sexual relationship.
I know that that's what keeps getting brought back to.
But the main aspect was actually not the sex.
It was the fact that I enjoyed these people's company.
So if it was just you enjoying their company, why didn't you just enjoy their company?
Because I'm a hypersexual person and I enjoy having sex.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't understand.
Well, yeah.
So why do those things have to be exclusive?
Why, you know, why can't you form a connection with someone and have a sexual relationship?
Yeah.
Why do those things have to be separate?
You don't fuck your friends.
To be fulfilled.
Yeah.
Friend fucking is fun.
I highly recommend it.
You're not friends if you're having sex.
I don't know.
They were definitely my friend.
They weren't anything more than that.
They're my friend first.
Sex after.
Just one question on the six concurrent thing.
Sure.
Were you open with them that you were seeing?
Yeah, I told people that I was seeing other people.
I feel like it's getting really blown out of proportion.
Genuinely, really what it was is I was just dating.
I was just dating.
And when you put a label on like the number and you talk about the fact that you have slept with all of them, it sounds so dirty.
Oh, she's such a hoe.
But like genuinely, like we all date, right?
And like the fact that I have dated six people at the same time and maybe one of us has dated six people at different times.
What really what's the difference?
You have seen and slept with the same amount of people.
The timeline was just.
So the difference is that when you say dating, you're referring to going out on dates.
These are the people that you told to link up at.
I'm guessing your place, right?
No, we went to dinner first, which is what I said before.
Ended in sex.
Sure, because I wanted it to.
So when you're saying dating, you really mean sex.
Well, I think that there might be a lot of things.
I think that there might be a difference in the terminology that's used, maybe from just like even women and men, because I know a lot of people, you know, jump on the dating thing and it's like, okay, like we're exclusive and I can be like that sometimes too.
But I'm hearing that like from this perspective, this is a perspective that I've never heard of before where somebody genuinely looks at that type of interaction as like, we're dating, we're spending the time together, but then I see what you're saying as like, oh, you know, like I'm just having my fun, I'm doing my thing, I'm navigating this, like, what is life?
And like, I see both sides of the table.
I'm going back to what Brian said, where he's saying, like, it sounds like an excuse to get ran through.
I mean, that's like a really disgusting term.
And I think that also that's kind of a really like harsh thing to say to women because you would only say that really to a woman, right?
You wouldn't say that to a dude.
Well, I mean, it's a little different, but a man could also be.
Sure, but like you wouldn't, I wouldn't sit here and say that to you if you told me you were seeing six people.
I'd be like, great, good for you.
I just want to point something out on the whole six people thing.
But by the way, I'm seeing one, like literally like one person now.
So like I've, this was pandemic era when I was alone.
So like now that the world is like back and like I'm doing life again like that has gone away.
So do you are you saying that you regret never put words?
I have no regret.
What I'm saying though is like it was a situational opportunity that I took because I had the time and the energy to do so and I don't see that there's a problem with that.
There isn't.
I also think that it does come down to labels, right?
Because you did ask a question about labels earlier and I feel like where this miscommunication or challenge of thought may be coming from is just a difference of labels.
So you label dating one thing and she labels dating something different.
And I think that's really just what it is.
Whoa.
Women that I talk to, they usually say that they date to be in relationships.
Sure.
Whereas your situation was you were dating to see if you could have sex with them.
No, that's absolutely incorrect.
I don't know where you got that from.
I'm not sure what I would like.
What kind of interest things, like I want to go out and do things, I want to meet new people.
I want to see these types of people.
Is this an attribute that I like in this person?
Okay, I do.
I'm going to take that home with me.
And when I look for somebody that I do want to actually sit down and have a relationship with, those are the things I'm going to be looking for that I'm going to be like, oh, that's what I want.
You have all these things.
Well, I'm just going off the reality of what she's doing.
You know, what Shady said.
What she said is exactly correct.
What I learned is what I like and I dislike from a partner in dating, where, you know, personality, right?
Like, I mean, I see you rolling your eyes.
I don't really care.
But, like, genuinely, it has more.
It has more to do with getting to know different attributes of different people and how your own person vibes with that in a relationship romantically, sexually, socially.
How old were you during the pandemic?
I was 21 to 23.
So that also makes sense, right?
I was young.
I was drinking.
I was going out to the bar.
Did you go to UCSB?
No, I'm a Trevor City College student.
I'm so excited.
So did you live in Isla Vista?
No, I'm from here.
So I have my own one-bedroom apartment on the east side.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Just, I'm asking because you mentioned part of the reason why you wanted to date that many people at once is because you wanted to get some experience, right?
But did you not?
It wasn't sexual experience.
I think that's misconstrued.
Not sexual experience, but you said you wanted to find out what you like, what you don't like.
Correct.
Whether that be sexual or in a partner.
Totally.
And so had you not been dating at all prior to this?
I was in a really crappy, kind of verbally abusive relationship for two years where I lived with him.
She experienced it.
It was really bad.
And genuinely, if I think about it in like a long-term thing, I probably went one pendulum swing to the other because that was just how my heart was hurt.
Okay.
And so like genuinely now that time has gone on and I've healed from that and he is no longer a thought in my mind and no longer a feeling I need to feel, I don't feel the need to, you know, find validation or go out on dates or as much.
But I mean like it wasn't just for sex.
It was more for just like connection.
Connection.
Communication intimacy.
I do want to keep things moving.
Guys, we will get to the soup chats here in just a few minutes.
I'll have everyone else give their whole little thing on this.
I just wanted to make a statement on the sixth thing.
And I forgot exactly.
I just, I feel like we're really going back to that.
Getting very hung up.
What I would really like to say is like, it wasn't like I was sitting there with a list like, ah, yes, there's Ziggy.
There's no, like, that's not me.
You know, like, genuinely, I think it was just that, like, it was kind of a game at first, like with my coworkers where I'd be like, oh, let's see, haha, let's get dinner tonight.
And then I'd go out and I would kind of like them.
And then, like, there was just a handful eventually, you know?
And so it wasn't like I'm trying to check down a roster.
It was just like, oh, I really like this person and I'd like to facilitate connection with them further.
I would love to ask you another question, actually.
Yeah, so we're talking about sex being involved as part of forming connections with people and seeing how other people love and interact.
Why is it that the sex bothers you so much?
Or maybe not bothers me, but I don't think it bothers me.
Sex doesn't bother me.
I think it's the terminology and I think it's the labels.
I think it's just a difference of opinion and more so a difference of perspective.
I think that's really just what it is.
That kind of hits on the point, but it's more like the deflection is what bothers me.
Where it's like, just owning, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you had sex with six different people.
She did.
I did.
And I maddened.
Actually, I never didn't own that.
What I didn't own is the fact that you called me run-through, which I think is rude.
And also, the fact that I did.
What does that mean?
It doesn't even matter.
But either way, you repeated it.
And also, the fact that I disagree with you.
Then I ran through as well.
Just one request.
Oh, my God, bro.
You don't want to know my body count.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We can get to that in a sec.
Oh, just one request.
Just because our camera angles are a little scuffed, just when he's talking, if you notice here, can I just have you lean back ever so slightly?
Just see?
Yeah, just our camera angles are a little scuffed.
You mentioned your body count.
Do you want to reveal that really quick right now?
I'm going to be honest.
I stopped counting at 254.
So that's definitely above that.
Halal!
Wait, 254?
254 is where I stopped counting.
And at what point, so was that two years ago you said?
When did you stop counting?
That was last year in the summer is when I stopped counting.
254.
254, yes.
And when did you, at what age did you lose your virginity?
Am I allowed to say that?
Is it young?
I mean, I was not 18.
I was in high school.
I'll say that.
I'll say that.
Okay.
Yeah, I was in high school.
Yeah.
And was there a period of time maybe when you started at 19 or 20 when you had a higher frequency of sexual partners?
So we are streaming on Twitch, right?
I want to make sure I don't say anything that's like too.
Are you talking about like you can say bedroom fun or?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I did mention that I do OnlyFans, and with that, I make corn.
Like I actually make corn.
I don't just take pictures.
I don't just do the whole like IG baddie thing, teasing, whatever.
I make videos.
Get it systems.
Can you push baby girls just forward?
No, this way, this way.
Push them to the center of the table.
This way?
Yeah, perfect.
There you go.
Okay, cool.
So I make videos, and I started collaborating with people, I would want to say, like a year ago, and that's where there was a really big boom.
But I do know that we are also on the topic of relationship advice and stuff like that.
Tilt it?
Yeah, tilt it up towards you just a tan.
Like this.
Perfect.
I know that we are on the topic of relationships.
I do have a partner, and they asked me specifically to not disclose any of like their personal information.
We have been in a relationship for four years.
Four years?
Yes, we've been in a relationship for four years.
And we are also swingers.
So we do also both have other sexual partners.
Okay, good times.
Yeah.
And no, we did not start off that way.
I started off very monogamous.
I was raised in a very religious household.
Did I?
And then I am actually the one who brought up opening up the relationship because I realized that I have a fantasy that cannot be completed by one person.
And I really wanted to do that before I died.
Okay.
Incredible.
So, do you think that you said you stopped counting at 254?
Do you think it's over 300?
I'm going to say it's close to 300.
I think it's going to be like if I really had to ballpark, I'm going to say maybe like 290 is like more so where it's around right now.
Body.
Yes.
Okay, gotcha.
What about you?
Current relationship status, longest relationship.
Wow.
I feel very vanilla going behind.
Like, oh my God, you'd be your vanilla self, baby girl.
But I'm currently single.
The longest relationship I had was four and a half years.
I want to say like a little bit over four and a half years.
Okay.
How long were you single?
I've been single now for a little less than a year.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I'm single right now.
My longest relationship was like a year and a half, something like that.
And what was the last question?
Just longest relationship, current relationship status.
Oh, yeah, I'm single.
Longest relationship was a year and a half.
Okay.
Okay.
And so since you shared your body count, I guess we can get this out of the way now.
What's your body count?
I don't know.
I wish I could answer.
Range, estimate.
Guesstimate.
I'm going to be here for a minute.
Truly, truly, I don't know.
I definitely don't think it's as high as Mia's.
I definitely don't think we're there.
Triple digits?
Oh, God.
Probably not.
Okay.
Probably not.
But I went through a phase in my life.
I consider myself a spec now, but I went through a phase in my life where I wanted to sort of find that out for myself.
For a minute, I was like, am I gay?
Am I bi?
Like, I really didn't know.
Finding out that I was asexual was very confusing.
But I would say that my body count would probably be maybe like 30s.
Okay.
Yeah.
Sure.
Okay.
What about you?
Let me just premise this by saying that I am 28 years old, so I've lived a couple years of life.
And I did go to school here at UCSB.
So if you know the culture, you know the culture.
On that, I'm not going to give an exact number because I don't have one for you, Brian.
Sure.
However, I do indulge and I love sexual escapades.
Is it higher than 100?
Yes.
It's what?
It's higher than 100.
More than 100.
Can I get a dance for that?
Probably higher than 200 as well.
And I'm like, you were a dad.
I'm not ashamed, to be honest.
I think there's a whole culture surrounding women having sex, men having sex, hookup culture, all of that, and sex being taboo.
But I also participated in OnlyFans back when it first took off.
So that kind of kicked the ball for me.
However, the older I'm getting, the less interest I have in those types of shenanigans.
And so you said you think it's over 200?
Oh, I know it's over 200.
Meow.
Is it closer to three or two?
Closer to three.
Oh, my God.
This one's a good idea.
Yeah.
But not above three?
I don't have it.
I can't answer.
I don't know.
I feel like you know that existing.
You could fill in on the music.
She started off like a little bit of a bad idea.
It's for sure.
I mean, it's up there.
Like, I'm not going to hide the fact that I like to have fun times in the bedroom.
Okay, so you're 28.
Did you get most of these bodies?
Yes.
I hate.
Please, can we not use that word actually?
Like, bodies and body count is like so demeaning.
Honestly, I really hate that word.
Can we like to do that?
I mean, it's demeaning sutures.
Yeah, like it's just kind of like a body, you know?
Like, it's more than that.
It's like a connection.
When you're over 300, is it really that much of a connection?
How do you know?
It's honestly, let me be honest.
Let's be honest.
Okay, let's just keep it real because that's what I like to do.
Some of them are.
Like, a good half of them were probably just one night, like after party, out-of-convenience situations, and then maybe a good maybe a good, like select small portion of that was actual genuine like connection and intimacy.
But the men's selection here in Santa Barbara and in LA is awful.
So not much to work with.
Correct.
Unfortunately.
You went to UCSB, correct?
Yes.
Were you in a sorority?
No.
Absolutely not.
Okay.
Why do I give off that energy?
No, I'm just curious.
So you went to UCSB all four years.
No, City College.
SBCC, then UCSB.
And then I actually went to beauty school as well.
Went to beauty school.
Yeah.
Hair or cosmetics?
Okay.
And did you.
And so when did you graduate?
How old were you?
21, 22?
I was 22.
It was 2017.
Okay, 2017.
You were 22.
That's when you graduated.
Yeah.
By the time you graduated, do you know how your body count by that point?
Oh, gosh, at least 200.
Oh, 200.
So you'd say most of the partners that you've had in college, duh.
Was before you graduated.
Yeah.
I actually, I'm in recovery from substances.
So a lot of that was during the years that I was in active addiction, which was something that we can touch on another time.
But a lot of that was because I was actively using and was trying to fill a void that was non-existent.
And was that, was it alcohol?
I don't know if you want to share alcohol.
I mean, am I allowed to share?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it was Xanax.
And then because of the Xanax, I was doing some skiing, cocaine.
Oh, okay.
I thought you were actually making it.
Oh, yeah.
For a second, no.
I was confused for a second.
No, no, no, no.
And then because of that, I was doing something a little bit harder to counteract both of those things.
But Xanax was really the catalyst for my addiction.
Methamphetamine?
No.
What's harder?
Heroin?
Oh, shit.
Okay.
God damn.
Okay.
Almost five years clean, though.
Okay, so you've been five years over five years.
I will be this year.
Okay.
When you said skiing, I thought you'd get along with Eric because he also gets liquored up on the slopes.
I'm kidding.
Oh, that was a fun time.
I just did that last weekend.
Oh, there you go.
There you go.
No, the college kind of skiing.
Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Not the only thing.
You must have had quite a fun time here.
I've got some stories.
I believe it's.
Okay, so between 200 and 300, closer to 300 sexual partners.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you want to share your?
I'm going to be honest with you.
I have never counted.
Sure.
I, yeah, I don't know.
I've never really counted.
Estimate?
I mean, I don't, I know.
I honestly don't even know.
But I would probably say that most of it occurred between, like, after I broke up with my really awful boyfriend and like the end of like COVID times.
Do you want to maybe sit like between 2030, 30, 40?
I don't know, something like that.
I mean, I don't know.
I genuinely, I genuinely counted.
Over 100?
No, no, no, no.
Over 50?
Probably not.
I genuinely.
People usually stop counting around like 40 or 50.
I've never counted though.
I'm just telling you this.
Well, that's a cool statistic then.
I've just never counted personally.
That's actually so true.
I almost stopped counting at 40, but I was like, I want to see how high this list goes, baby.
That's the extra point.
XP points.
Repeat yours again.
You said it's okay.
I stopped counting at 254.
And you think it's close to 300?
255?
No, 254.
Okay.
Even number.
So your body count is a little bit more than 100%.
So it's probably closer.
I said, I think the estimate was probably now around like 290.
I'm going to have to guess.
So that's like a guesstimate.
I haven't.
I don't.
Yeah.
I'm just going to say 290-ish.
Super chatted.
$49.99.
Women's lack of accountability and foresight here clearly shows they don't think about how their actions will affect their future.
But expect men who have not only thought of the future, but also planned for it.
You want to know what actions affect.
You know how my actions will affect my future?
I give the craziest brain ever, and you're never going to get to experience it, bro.
about that.
I will say my...
Whoa, wait.
Okay, you get it.
Get it.
Get it.
No, I'm so for real.
Are you kidding me?
How do you expect a girl to be good in bed if she doesn't get practice?
Same thing goes with men.
I'm just going to keep it real.
If you guys are complaining about girls who don't know how to give brain, but you also like shame them for having like, you know, partners, then you're shooting yourself in the flame.
Hurrah!
In a relationship, right?
Of course.
And I'm, but here's the thing.
I'm not saying that as a woman or as a person that you need to have a ton of partners in order to get better at something.
But I'm just saying that either way, it doesn't matter.
Like, you shouldn't shame one person for getting good at something, doing it this way as opposed to that way.
That's literally all I'm saying.
Can I also interject and say that, you know, maybe the relationship doesn't give that to you.
You know what?
Just because it's related, we do have a video that's related to what you just said.
Okay.
Okay.
Eric, can you pull up the, it's the Tate sex.
Oh, God.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
What?
Andrew Tate.
Ew, I know.
Isn't he in jail?
Just first, let's just let it play, ladies.
Sexual abuse.
Let's just let it play.
Ladies.
Go ahead.
Sex, sex.
This position, that position.
Don't you feel like you get to a point in your life where there's something more than that shit?
Don't you feel like, and maybe I'm going to sound like a romantic, don't you feel like you get to a position in your life where you'd rather have a girl who you truly love and she truly loves you?
And it doesn't matter what she does because you know she really loves you and she's trying her best.
Wear those hats.
I know she's shaking her head.
I know she's shaking her head.
But I'm serious.
I'm serious.
If you sleep with enough women, just like if you sleep with enough men, there's no fucking move.
Sex is not a complicated operation, right?
There's no move that's going to be like, wow, I've never seen this before.
I've never seen this before and my mind is blown up.
No, no.
If you think the way you keep a man happy is to move your pussy in a particular way on top of his dick, as opposed to behave in a way which is respectful to him out in the real world and for him to know he has you and your loyalty regardless of what's going to happen come up, all the problems he's going to come into in his life, then you're wrong.
So the whole point of sex is a connection between two people.
And I think having a genuine connection between two people is worth more than the sex.
So her question was, what can a woman do to truly blow your mind in the bedroom?
You'll blow my mind outside of the bedroom in a relationship as a whole.
That's the truth.
That's the truth.
Wouldn't you rather have a girlfriend who truly loves you is absolutely loyal to you?
Like no matter what happens, she's going to be there for you.
You can catch a case six months.
She's outside waiting to you.
She, she, okay, she can't take dick, right?
Whatever.
But she tries her very, very best to pour the poor thing.
And she wants to satisfy you, and you know she cares about you.
Wouldn't you be like, well, I don't care that she can't take dick because that's actually a quality woman, which is rare in the world today.
But I am genuinely uninterested in sleeping with a woman who I don't have a connection with.
If a girl said to me, I don't love you at all, I don't feel anything for you at all, I don't want to sleep with you, but I will, I would say no.
The sex act in and of itself is okay.
If you had sex, we've all had sex, right?
Do you really defu somebody who doesn't give a shit about you at all?
We live in a world now, right, where we have a lot of narratives which are being broken down and destroyed in real time.
And I think it's very, very healthy for men and women to look at sex as an act that happens between people who at least like each other.
The idea that I don't like them at all, but as long as they can suck dick this way, then it's okay.
I don't give a fuck, right?
If a girl genuinely loves me with all her heart and gives me a fucking terrible blowjob, I'm still going to be like, well, you love me.
I love you.
It is what it is.
Life's more important than blowjobs and fucking blowing your money.
This is the truth.
And if it's not love, if it's not love, let me tell you something.
Women are the gatekeepers, not men.
If it's not love, you shouldn't be fucking him anyway.
This is the reality of the world.
Just because the modern artist told you different.
You shouldn't be fucking any man you don't love.
That's the first fucking thing.
Okay, sleep with him.
No, but it's true.
You're right.
You're right.
No, no, no, no.
Interesting me.
Whatever the fuck you ever say, interesting me, whatever.
It's not there.
You will feel it.
Sex.
Okay.
Do you want to give, by the way, that's from the Fresh and Fit Podcast?
So that kind of is someone in response.
Do you want to?
I'm going to say something.
I don't necessarily.
Actually, one thing really quick.
I 100% agree with Andrew Tate.
If my girlfriend, if she loves me, but she doesn't, she's not that good at giving head.
I love her.
She loves me.
She's trying her best.
I 100% agree with what he says.
Go ahead.
And here's the thing.
I don't actually disagree with him.
I don't actually disagree with him, but I think that where a problem, where the problematic stature of what he's saying is that that's the only way to think.
That is where the problems start.
I don't disagree with him.
I think that's actually a really lovely sentiment if that's how you want to live your life.
But let people live life the way they want to.
It doesn't really have to mean that you're wrong.
They're just choosing to live life a different way.
And you know what?
There are some people that, you know, will maybe have intercourse with other people that they don't like.
And that's on them.
They'll grow out of it, whatever.
But you won't really know what you want and how you want it until you experiment.
I would love to ask Andrew Tate, how many people has he connected with in that way?
How many experiences has he had with women that he doesn't talk about that has led up to his point of thinking?
And that's what it is, right?
I don't disagree.
I just think that there are other ways to function as a person.
I would like to say also that I think in a lot of ways, there are many times that Andrew Tate does a disservice to men.
I think in him saying that women are the gatekeepers, I mean, if you want to see it that way, I understand the reality of the world that like there are generally more.
Does anyone hear that noise?
The squeaking.
Is it from one of the chairs?
I don't know.
It might be.
But does it, but has it happened?
I am hearing it.
I just hear it right now.
Yeah, I heard it at the beginning of the stream.
Yeah.
I don't know if we might be able to replace one of the chairs.
I don't, it might be yours.
Why don't you finish with your piece and then I'm going to have Eric swap your chairs out or something?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So go ahead.
You said.
Did you guys hear that?
What?
I think maybe it is your chair.
When you leave.
Oh, it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're going to have Eric swap out the chair.
Okay.
Actually, yeah, why don't we just do it now?
But I'm remembering where you left off.
You were on the gatekeeper component.
So just hold that thought.
And while we do that, we'll come back to that really quick.
You were talking about, or we were doing body count.
Did you?
I have not.
No.
Can you share that really quick?
Yeah, mine's, I just reached 20.
Just reached 20.
Okay.
All right.
Not like it's like a fan.
No, Brian.
Calm down, okay?
I'm not like praising it.
Hold on.
Hold on, hold on.
She just got laid in after her relationship situation.
That's all right.
Also, sometimes it was just more of like, I meant I reached 20 because I have a 20 body count, but I'm not like there's no praise.
There's no like discounts.
Well, because she's like, as a woman, we're supporting a woman like doing her thing.
It's not like, oh, oh, yeah, you went to the bottom.
Shouldn't you guys be supporting her being like a three body count?
Yeah, 100% would support somebody who was a bad person.
Either way, it's not us being like, yo, you got 20 bodies under you.
Round of applause.
It's, hey, girl, good for you.
You're doing what you want to do when you're getting laid.
You're feeling yourself.
You're going to get laid after your relationship.
I am going to say.
I am going to say she could have said two, and we all would have been.
It doesn't matter what number.
It's just like, good for her that she's getting that experience.
I'm not sure if you should really.
Look, people are free to do whatever they want.
I don't know if you should be clapping.
Women celebrate women.
I'm going to clap when you guys share your body counts.
Like, yay!
Also, I will say that she did like start her, you know, she did foremention that she hasn't had a lot of experience and that she was just starting to.
So, like, good for us.
Whether it be three, whether it be three, whether it be 20.
I know where everybody has, like, above 20, right?
I mean, technically, yeah.
It's hers.
I'm sure there are people who have three, and good for them, living their life, enjoying it.
I mean, mine also might be 19.
I'm not sure if I have to, like, I counted very fast off of the top of my head, but still, like, it's about 20.
What's your body count, including the ones that you didn't tell your friends?
No, I've told, I'm pretty honest about that biosexual.
I'm just a pretty honest person when it comes in general.
I'm not.
Every woman I've met in my life is going to cap about that shit.
No, I'm counting every person, even the ones I regret to this day.
Let me know.
I'm like, did I really need to do that?
Well, congratulations.
Congratulations.
Today is a day in your life that you've met a woman that's not lying about it.
Well, I still don't believe it.
That's cool.
No, no, that's fast.
That's literally it.
It's lying.
It is what it is.
I can tell you that there's nothing.
I'm not going to know names, but I'll tell you.
I'll tell you the tale if you really want to know.
I've never known a man to not cap about his body count.
Multiplied by three.
It's usually multiplied by three.
And I can't do math, so yeah.
Did you fuckers learn anything in college?
No.
To fuck.
Also, I am sensing a bit of a contradiction here.
Why do you think that she's lying about having such a low body count in your eyes?
A low body count?
Okay, I'm sorry.
No, wait, hold on, listen.
Listen.
In comparison, I said I stopped counting at 254.
So I'm like, like around 300.
And I know in your brain, you're like, whoa, that's really high.
So in comparison.
You said that you're a sex worker.
Yeah.
So I'm not really like surprised about that.
Okay, well, regardless, you know, what I'm saying is, like, in comparison, why are you kind of weirded out that she said 20 when in comparison, that is a lower number to the rest of us.
And why would you think that she's lying?
There are people out there.
Dude, I have so many guys who are still virgins.
There are people out there who don't have jobs.
I also know women who are still virgins and they haven't had a single one.
And you know what?
When they tell me they have a connection like that with somebody for the first time, I'm going to be so happy for them.
And maybe that's the only person they're going to be with for the rest of their life.
But why does it matter?
Why are you capping everything?
Yeah, why do you think it's cap?
Where'd you get it?
Why is everything a lie to you?
Well, I deal with a lot of women on a daily basis.
So I was like, are you educated in women?
What?
Are you educated in women?
I'm a dating coach.
Yeah, I'm a dating coach.
I mean, yeah, but like, making an assumption about all women is just kind of like BS that you think we all want to be.
So you guys have a direct incentive to lower the body.
So do you want to ask me a question then to verify that I'm not lying?
Like I said, I'm a very open book.
I'm very honest.
And I'm honest with my partners who I do end up choosing to have sex with, you know, and I'm honest with them when it comes to like, if they ask me that question, I'm going to be honest about it.
Do you go to UCSB?
Yes, I go to UCSB.
Then I think it's at least like 35.
So I came, just to give you a little background, I told you I'm from Northern Cal.
I went and was like a dance major for three years.
Didn't come to SBCC.
Didn't even move to the Santa Barbara area until I was about 20.
20 years old.
And then I got into a serious relationship for four and a half years, right as I moved here two months in.
And I dated that person very seriously.
And she super chatted $100 as a woman.
You're supporting the woman.
That's a good question.
Psychology says that when a woman reaches 5 plus body count, they have impaired pair bonding, which has shown 80% plus unhappiness in marriage leading to divorce.
These 304s are doing more.
Oh, that's awesome.
Hold up.
Anyway, that's a lot of education for somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about.
I would like to see them.
Let me just read the rest.
Okay, in marriage leading to divorce, these 304s are doing more of a disservice for women than Andrew is for men.
At least you can admit Andrew Tate's doing a disservice to men.
As somebody who has a background in science and education, I would like to say that studies are based off of the generation that is married and divorced now.
And not the study that they're referring to, clearly.
They were saying that studies seem to be a very important thing.
Psychological studies.
Psychological studies said.
So that women that have a five-plus divorce.
When you refer to a study, you're referring to people who are already married and already divorced.
I would say that they experienced a significantly different dating, relationship pool, sex, everything.
I would say that their whole experience with sex dating and relationships is totally generational.
Just to clarify one thing, so you're saying that the psychological experiments and studies that they've done, because it's an older age cohort.
I'm saying that the generation is different.
Hold on, let me just finish.
It doesn't apply.
No, I'm not saying it doesn't apply.
I'm just saying that the generation is different.
And so to compare it exactly is just not correct.
Well, I mean, what I would gather, though, from it is that it's suggesting that a high body count leads to an inability to pair bond and it's higher likelihood of divorce and we're reporting relationship dissatisfaction relationship dissatisfaction.
I would say that if you're saying, oh, that only applies to older women, these younger women who are sleeping with 400 men are much more capable of commitment.
No, no, no.
I would actually say that this younger generation of women is the least capable of commitment, but go ahead.
Well, so that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying that like our generation is just so different.
I'm not saying like women of the generation that was studied had more or less or I don't know the amount of sex that they had, but what I'm saying anecdotally is that you cannot compare a generation.
I will have you know that he's six five.
There's no way he's gotten one of those.
That would be a real bummer.
How dare you?
How dare you?
That was a reach of a joke, but I'll give it to you.
Hold on, let me.
You need a little useless.
Yep.
Okay.
All right.
So, okay.
So, I think what I'm saying really is that, like, the marriage and divorce rates of a generation that's already married and divorced, there's a lot of other outside factors that indicate relationships.
Like, I mean, if you look at marriage and divorce rates, they're already 50%, right?
But also, if you think about the way, and I actually wanted to talk about this earlier, and it didn't really get to, I didn't really get to, but I think the reason that women are out having sex with a bunch of dudes and out getting married later and staying single longer.
And also, by the way, men, the demographic of 18 to 25, are having like the least amount of sex.
Yeah, there's an actual study, like, I've read it.
And I think the reason is because women are dissatisfied with the way that they feel relationships have gone.
They watch their mothers divorce their fathers.
They watch their fathers divorce their mothers.
They watched people get cheat on.
I know so many people who come from broken marriages that do not trust the marriage system because it had failed them.
You can shake your head, but I'm just saying, like, from what our generation witnessed with the marriage and divorce rates, regardless of what women were doing, by the way, they were getting married a lot earlier, so their body count was different.
And the societal expectations were significantly different for women too.
And so I'm just saying that the people who were studied in that study is not the same from us.
That's the only thing.
I'm not saying that we're not that it may not be the same.
I'm just saying that anecdotally you can't compare them.
I also think we need to think about correlation is not causation.
That's like the number one thing that we talk about in science a lot is correlation does not equal causation.
There are correlations of things.
So that might be that psychology study that he referenced.
There could have been a correlation that these women who have.
Devon Jackson super chatted $50.
It's worse now you all convince yourselves.
You even don't want men or children at all now, so obviously the more bodies you have.
I don't think that's a good breakout.
Okay.
I don't want kids.
So, but you're saying there's not a correlation.
I'm saying that correlation is not causation.
So the body count does not mean that because they have a high body count, that means they cause them to be dissatisfied or be less bonding.
I think that the people that they might have seen, that could be a correlative thing.
That could be that because they have a higher body count, that correlates to maybe they aren't bonding as intimately with other people.
But that also is that one study.
There's so many other studies that can contradict that one thing that psychology states as they're saying because that's just how it is.
But also, how do you isolate the control group in that experiment, genuinely?
How are you able to say, oh, this person only slept with one person, but they have a happy marriage.
And this woman slept with seven people before they got married, but they have a really unhappy marriage.
What if person A, what if person A, but there's so many other factors to the relationship.
I'm just there's been numerous studies, though, on premarital sexual partners having a negative impact on marriage.
I'm aware of that.
There's a greater likelihood of infidelity.
There's a greater likelihood of reporting relationship and marriage dissatisfaction.
And there's a higher incidence of divorce.
Zention super chatted $50.
The most recent study states that 45% plus of women are going to be single and childless.
Exactly.
So much for the JPG's has made financial moves to profit off the women.
How's that for recent?
Being in medicine, I'm sure I...
Oh, can we finish?
I want to read that.
Yeah.
Being in medicine, I'm sure I've read more studies than you.
Bitch, I'm in medicine.
I literally work in medicine.
I study science and I work in medicine.
I'll have you know that Zentience is a brain surgeon.
FYI.
That's great.
I admit the fact that you're not afraid of that.
Correlation is not causation.
Like he should also respect that correlation is not causation.
Doesn't mean that we're like.
Invest in cat food, guys.
They're already, everything is being, women are like for years, everything has been a financial gain from women.
Like you exploit women.
It's just constantly, there's always something with women.
Like OnlyFans, we've taken it into our own hands and wanted to do it ourselves because we've got tired of men doing it for us.
And even that platform is sketchy and it's not.
Specifically in regard to women's sexuality.
I just want to hear like two examples.
Wait, but okay, hold on.
The conversational threads are just all over the place.
We were watching a Tate video.
Yes.
I mean, like, we've derailed the conversation.
We can come back to some of these topics and I have to do super chats.
So really quick, let's finish the reaction to the Tate video.
Okay.
You wanted to say something about, can you remind me what it was about?
Oh, women are gatekeepers.
Women are gatekeepers.
What did you want to say about that?
Well, I wanted to say that I think Andrew Tate does a disservice to men in a lot of ways.
And specifically in regard to when he mentioned that women tend to be the gatekeepers.
I mean, whether or not you want to see that as the reality, I don't think it's fair for men to say that all the responsibility and the control is in the hands of women.
I just don't think it's fair.
I think.
Practically speaking, women are the gatekeepers of sex.
Of sex.
I don't think women are the gatekeepers of relationships as Andrew Tate was referencing.
No, but he was saying.
He was talking about sex.
He was also talking about his.
Let's make it more in regards to single women says, the one that's trying to argue higher body count is better for relationships.
I don't think it's necessarily better.
I think that everyone just has their personal preference.
And we are all now diverging from the traditional, you know, have a couple dates and then go steady or whatever they used to call it.
And I just, I think we're diverting from the traditional ways of relationships.
I would also like to say that domestic violence rates were so high.
So high, even 20 years ago, you know?
So like, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing to experience another person, not just sexually, but romantically as well.
What are you trying to say about domestic violence?
Being stuck in a marriage is so much more unhealthy than sleeping with a bunch of people.
So the statistic mentioned that women reported being unhappy in marriage and it leading to divorce.
And I guess what Val was just trying to say that like including that statistic, domestic violence was also statistically much higher.
So you can't just say that the reason why it's not.
And do you think that that's men's fault?
No, I mean it could be a woman's.
Who knows?
You know, things.
Let me ask you guys a question.
What happens behind closed doors?
All right, let me ask you guys a question.
Domestic violence is not particularly my I've not done a significant amount of research in it, but I've done I've done a little bit and a statistic that interests me is that non-reciprocal domestic violence is actually equal between men and women.
But domestic violence is highest amongst lesbian couples.
It's lowest amongst gay couples.
So how do you explain then that it's domestic violence is men's fault, yet in lesbian couples?
Hold on, hold on, let me finish.
Okay.
Then how do you explain then that if it's men, something innate within men, I never said it was innate within men.
Hold on, no, but you said domestic violence is men's fault.
Man.
The man who's causing the violence is his fault.
Women perpetuate domestic violence at the same rate as men.
Oh, no, I know.
I'm talking about in the situations that we were talking about where women were unhappy in marriages.
Yes.
I think, okay, well, hold on.
I think it's being misconstrued.
Let me finish my point.
People often view domestic violence as men do to women.
Oh, no, it's both.
We know that.
Well, okay, that's a true sentence.
Yes, yeah.
Something that's come out is that in lesbian relationships, amongst those relationships, domestic violence is the highest, and amongst gay men, it's the lowest.
So you have two men, right, in a relationship and two women in a relationship.
How do you explain that?
I don't think that's what it is.
I really don't think that that's what the point is here.
I personally have not read any of those particular studies, so I'm not going to touch on it.
But what's happening is you're taking the statistic that we mentioned out into a completely different topic.
And what we were talking about, or I guess what they, you know, these ladies were talking about.
What we were originally talking about.
Well, hold on.
What we were originally talking about was women being the gatekeepers of sex.
And we've somehow brought it back to the marriage dissatisfaction thing.
So please continue with the gatekeeper thing.
Sure, sure.
Oh my God, we're really bringing it back.
Okay.
So, yeah, in the sentiment that Andrew Tate was talking about, he was speaking about in a relationship with a woman, even if she's awful sexually, that the connection is more important.
Exploiting women.
I've lost any illusion of respect for these 300 force.
In any market, there must be a buyer and a seller.
If women didn't objectify themselves, irrespective of the amount of buyers, there would never be market nor object.
Pull it up.
Never be market nor objectification of women.
Really quick, we can circle back to this, but I was working with, I don't, I worked in an industry that showed me a really awful side of men exploiting children and women.
Oh my God.
And I'm going to leave it at there.
I want to get to the super chat session.
Go for brain surgery.
Men are the gatekeepers, please.
Or sorry, you think men are the women are the gatekeepers.
It's not that I think I, okay.
I just think we should back up and that in the context that Tate was saying, he was explaining how connection is more important than sex in his mind, which that's a fantastic sentiment.
So in regard to relationships and connection, he also declared that the women are the gatekeepers.
Yes.
And you disagree with that.
It's not necessarily that I disagree with it.
I just don't think it's fair to put the responsibility in women's hands in general.
I think that essentially lessens the power of men.
I think that says, I mean, that's why I say I think it's a disservice to men.
I think the connotations behind what he's saying is that men don't have power over their relationships.
That women may have power over sex, but if you've already got that connection, he's putting the responsibility in a woman's hands and saying women are the gatekeepers.
They make the decisions.
And I just don't think that's fair to men.
I think men are deserving of power.
And I think that sentiment essentially is removing power from men.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
So as far as the relationship thing goes, I think men, a lot of men don't have much power in relationships, but he's talking strictly about sex.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex.
So let's remove relationship from this.
Strictly speaking about sex, women are the gatekeepers.
Well, I would say that that is currently, generally speaking, an unfortunate reality.
But I think that that sentiment also is to say that men are easy.
And I don't think that's fair to say that men are easy.
Whether you think it's true or not, I think it's true.
But isn't that insulting to you?
Isn't that insulting to men?
That's my point.
Reality is not insulting to me.
Sure.
Truth is not.
I mean, and I think it happens to be the case that men are pretty easy.
I would like to say, I feel like I've had a partner who was not a very easy man, so to say.
Easy to get him into bed?
Yeah, yeah.
Like I've had partners before that take their bodies as very sacramental, like take sex very seriously.
And they only have sex with people that they tend to get into serious relationships with.
It's not like, oh, this girl just laid on my lap and gave me this opportunity.
I'm going to take it.
It's more of like, I'm only going to do this because I genuinely see that I'm going to have a relationship with this person.
Okay, you go ahead and I'll go.
Yeah, generally.
Usually it comes down to how attractive you are because I'm the same way.
I have like hella high standards.
But like if she's a dime, you know what I'm saying?
Like I'll have sex with her straight away.
Wait, why are you laughing at?
So it's a very, would you say varies basically on person's interests and type?
I'm sorry.
I'm joking.
Like how you're saying how like if like typically you wouldn't jump the gun right away, but if you see like a bad bitch, you're going to be like, oh, like.
But okay, why are you laughing at me?
I'm laughing because he was giving me flack for having genuine connections with people, but then he goes around and says, well, she's a dime piece.
And also he's like, well, I considered myself conventionally attractive.
So I hold my standards higher than most.
And which is great.
This is the reality.
Which is great.
However, I mean, the fact that like you carry yourself here doesn't mean that somebody who gets laid all the time can carry themselves here too.
What are we even talking about?
Okay, can I add to this really quickly?
Okay, no, no, no, hold on.
So actually add to this or add to the, because I want to finish the tate thing.
Okay.
I actually would like to add to both.
Okay, start with just the tate thing.
So I agree heavily with Val.
I feel like, I feel like the roles have actually switched generationally.
And I feel like men feel very powerless again, like feel very powerless when it comes to having sex with women.
And I think it's because of the mental, the general mentality behind it.
I feel like a lot of the times men don't view sex as an act of connection.
They view it as a conquest.
You can disagree or agree.
I'm making a very generalized statement, but I do feel like, you know, there's this sense of like a man looks at a woman and he just thinks, oh, I want to fuck her so bad.
And also adding to Rack's sentiment, you know, maybe she is really hot and maybe she's really like sexy and totally your type, but what if she is so awful for you?
What if she's toxic and brings out the worst in you?
I, and see, also as someone who grew up very plus size and as a fat girl, you know, I have always had to be the one who initiates with men.
Men don't, men rarely come up to me.
I'm not a dad.
I'm so serious.
I'm so serious.
You have to initiate sex?
Yes.
Because here's the thing.
No, I'm still.
No, the fat male is a little bit of a music.
That is very true.
Very real.
Men look at me.
They see that I have a tummy.
I'm 5'8.
I'm a 2000.
Okay, but let me ask you a question.
So, okay.
You say that, yet you said you've had nearly 300 sexual partners.
You said 290.
Yeah.
But, okay, but you need to be able to do that.
But you can't say if you've had that many partners, 290 or whatever, you can't say that you've had a difficult time.
Yes, I can.
Getting laid.
You don't know my life, Brian.
I have had sexual party.
You're 23.
I'm 21.
I thought you said you're 23.
No, I said I'm 21.
He was 21.
Okay, you're 21.
Okay, but you've had 290 sexual partners.
But that doesn't mean that I've laid out.
I've not had a hard time getting laid.
Okay, a lot of the bodies, a lot of the connections...
What did you say?
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
To the Valentine's Day reject, please enact power that women doesn't need power from men.
Also, that gatekeeper comment is an attempt for women to take responsibility slash accountability for said power.
Not demeaning men.
God, he's bored.
Okay, so I would just like to add that just because I have had a lot of sexual connections doesn't mean that I haven't been met with rejection and with the inability to connect with someone in that way.
Specifically, it's a person-by-person basis, right?
The grass is greener on the other side.
I'm telling you about, you know, the amazing experiences that I've had, but I've had just as many horrible, traumatic, and honestly really saddening ones.
Just because I won first place doesn't mean that I didn't get, you know, 10th place in literally every other competition.
Well, you can be rejected.
I'm not saying that you haven't ever been rejected in your life.
I'm talking about rejected from having intercourse with men.
Yeah, sure.
I'm talking about having a difficulty.
I mean, welcome to every day in a man's life.
No, but Brian, in every person's life, women almost never get rejected.
I don't even know.
Are you a woman?
I can call him an ex right now.
I would like to bring it back to the conversation about, you know, the gatekeeping.
Well, this is related, but.
Yeah, no, I would like to bring it back to that conversation by adding, men have just as much power to initiate or not initiate, right?
Wait, men are the initiators.
Not always.
Absolutely, not always.
Yes, not always, but overwhelmingly, men have to initiate.
That's not the first time.
Okay, let me explain this.
Okay.
Have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
No.
No.
Wait in what capacity?
Like, what do you like?
First time sleeping with a guy, has a guy ever wanted to have sex and you were.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I definitely have.
Have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
In that capacity.
I have to think about that.
Let's exclude the professional.
No, no, yeah, yeah.
I have to think.
Can you ask the question again?
Sorry.
Okay.
Have I had to make that?
Let's say first time you're with a guy, you're cuddling, making out, whatever, and he's trying to move it forward and you've said, no, no, no, let's wait.
That depends.
It depends on if I vibe with him.
Like, if I feel like we can connect well in that way, then of course not.
I'm going to go for it right away.
Is it a yes or no?
Okay, well, we have some outliers at this table, but I think it's a mess.
Have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
Yeah, the guy I'm dating right now, actually, we...
Pull the microphone closer to you.
Oh, sorry.
Okay.
The guy I'm dating right now, actually, I made him wait for like six months.
Hold on.
Wait, okay.
So just sorry.
Okay, let me ask you, hold on.
So the current guy that you're hooking up with or dating.
Yeah, we're dating.
Okay, you made him wait for six months.
Yeah.
You said during COVID that you had six partners concurrently.
Yeah.
Did you make them wait?
Well, it was different.
It was a different situation.
But like, why?
See, if a girl, here's why I'm kind of a little flustered by that statement.
If I found out that a girl had, say, I don't know if you, did you reveal body count 20 or 30?
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
If a girl told me she had slept with 30 guys before me and she didn't make any of them wait and all of a sudden with me, Brian, I'm going to make you wait six months.
Well, it wasn't like that.
I mean, we were like, I'm like, we were friends.
I'm out.
Were friends and he was really into me and like all my friends were like oh, he's really into you, and I was like yeah, he's really great.
But like I think, because we were friends first and I had also just kind of started to get the ick with like having so much energy towards so many people, that I kind of took like a big step back when the world was like back to normal respectfully Brian, I think that just shows you weren't the one.
Well, there's a saying.
There's a saying I think it goes something, but the weight it, the wait isn't, it's not worth the wait.
Oh, that's mean see, and if it's not worth the waiting you can leave.
But but but this is a story you hear of, for example, and I don't think it's that she's not necessarily into you, although it could be okay.
It it's.
Let's say, she had her fun and now she's, oh I'm, I'm 29, I'm 30, I gotta, I gotta, lock down a provider.
Okay, I'm gonna make him wait, I'm gonna make him wait.
And then your fear oh, excuse me, your fear is of manipulation.
Is that true?
Yeah, I'm not doing like.
I was just with a girl like two days ago right, her roommate literally has slept with like four guys in the past month.
Right, but she's seeing a guy who hasn't hit yet right, he has.
Like he's rich, like he has a McLaren and she's like I see him as boyfriend material yeah, so it's like if you just let four guys hit over the past month but you're not trying to do it with him, doesn't that show that those men were meaningless?
Yeah, you should be rewarding.
That's what guys want.
I think the logic behind that and I do want to like break this down a little bit in terms that at least makes sense to me and hopefully like there can it can break it up a little bit is when I am just having these casual like hookups with people right, like you know, there's a small hope that like maybe you know, if the person, if the dude's cool, like oh, maybe this could go somewhere, but like this high chance that it probably won't.
So when I meet somebody who I see it moving in a direction that I would like and we haven't gotten intimate yet, for me at least personally there comes in a fear that is like okay well, if I do sleep with him, is that gonna fuck everything up?
Like it's fucked things up in the past.
So you'll still personally, just personally.
You'll still fuck with other guys in the meantime?
No, absolutely not.
That's not where we're going.
That's a good point.
That's even worse if a girl is making you wait.
No, that's terrible.
A girl is making you wait while simultaneously sleeping with one two, three other guys.
That's me, yeah.
No, that's no, that's, that's like a double stand or something like.
That's wrong, but that's the reality.
Again, I think that's what val is saying.
With manipulation like that instance is a perfect and clear example of manipulation that person is manipulating.
Women always say that guys are like assholes or whatever.
At what point do we say like women are manipulated?
No, I think there are times that women can show manipulative behavior, but it's just the same as any other person.
People can show manipulative behavior regardless if it's male or female.
If you're a guy or a girl, it doesn't matter.
If you want something and you want to manipulate your way through it and you're just that type of person, you're gonna Do that.
So, for example, a guy's an asshole in that case, and a girl's an asshole in that case.
When she's making the guy waiting, can I finish though?
Because I never really got to like tell the situation.
Okay, you after her.
Go ahead.
No, you go ahead and then.
Yeah, so I mean, we were fine.
We were friends first.
It wasn't like I ever wanted to initiate anything.
I think, really, what it came down to is the fact that he was really consistent in my life and he was consistently there for me.
And then I think after a while, I realized that my favor changed.
But it wasn't that I necessarily made him wait, but it was like he definitely was trying for like six months before I gave him the time of day for it.
Because I wasn't really feeling that.
Go ahead.
So, I, first of all, want to make it really clear that I want men to succeed.
Yeah.
I really want them to be able to have a fulfilling relationship, a fulfilling like bedroom life.
I want them to succeed.
I am not against men.
I don't have that sentiment.
But I do feel like men tend to focus on the bad.
They tend to think of the worst case scenarios, and that forces them to kind of close themselves off and almost gatekeep their own relationships.
And I also think that men in this generation think way too generally.
I think the idea of individualism has declined and it's really sad, right?
But in both men and women, I will say that.
You know, like there are a lot of women who say, you know, all men are evil.
And then there are a lot of men who say, oh, women are evil.
I think that sentiment is so sad because when I meet, for instance, Rex, right?
Let's say I meet you and I've been hurt in the past.
I might be a little reserved, but I'm still going to want to imagine the best case scenario with you, whether that be to create a romantic relationship with you or a sexual one.
And let's say, let's say that you only want a sexual one with me and I'm craving something romantic.
You know, we're just not a good fit or vice versa.
And that's that.
But I feel like, again, the sense of individualism has been lost.
And a lot of men don't give themselves the chance to realize that women are not trying to manipulate them, right?
No, look.
Well, they kind of are.
We're not going to deny that it does happen.
And honestly, I'll be the first advocate to say that, like, be aware.
There are red flags.
Totally.
If a woman is committed to you, but sleeping around and you don't know about it, that's not, that's not real.
That is manipulation.
No, but that is absolutely.
That's what I teach is like having a radar of looking at a woman and within like 30 seconds knowing what her body is.
But see, no, no, but listen.
I don't understand how.
We never got into your head.
Hold on.
Yeah, when we got a body count, we never got into your country.
We all spoke about our body counts and you guys are.
And I just think it would only be fair if we also heard your body count.
And please go into detailed conversation.
Yeah.
I don't need detail.
Just like are you guys in a relationship right now?
How old are you?
Well, he did say he said he was single.
He said that as long as he was a single person.
I stopped counting after like 55 or something like that.
Wait, but you gave me shit.
I didn't think I was going to be able to do that.
Because men and women are not the same.
That's disgusting.
Why aren't they not?
Men and women are not the same.
Hold on, let them talk.
Let them talk.
Look, men and women are fundamentally different.
Okay.
I don't know if I can say this, but we have a dick, you have a vagina.
Yeah.
So, like, we penetrate women.
And that's what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's like, women can only have one baby a year.
Men can have a thousand babies.
So, in my perspective, with that, right?
Men can have multiple.
Wouldn't you think you are more of the gatekeeper than a woman in the sense that like you can have multitudes of not like offspring?
You know what I mean?
For me, I'm definitely the gatekeeper because I've hit that where we talk about like the 10%, the 5%.
You know what I'm saying?
So I choose who I want to be with.
So do we have to do for most.
Can you stop interrupting?
Yeah, you guys are.
What's the word?
You guys have abundance.
So I had to work for that abundance and now I'm the gatekeeper.
It's very easy for women to get laid.
It's very difficult for men to get laid.
That's why there's a double standard.
I wasn't aware that it was so difficult for men, honestly.
It's been really women.
No, I'm not being sarcastic.
Like, I genuinely didn't know it was difficult.
Here's difficult for you guys.
No, here's why.
Because women, they project, you guys project your reality onto all men.
You think that the way you guys have it is the way men have it.
An average woman, if she was so inclined, could sleep with a new guy every single day of the week.
For a guy to be able to do that, he has to be either very good looking, he has to have status, he has to have money, he has to have something.
An average man, a guy who's working in McDonald's, ain't gonna be running through girls.
For sure.
An average chick who works at McDonald's can have a new guy every single night of the week.
We're not the same.
It's different.
So that's why there's a double standard.
It's not impressive for a woman to sleep with a bunch of guys because that's easy.
Whereas for men, it's very difficult for men to get laid.
Let me just add this one thing.
An average woman, if we're looking at equivalency, an average woman has about the same negotiating power, has the same pull as essentially a male celebrity.
Where's that statistic?
It's self-evident.
Hold on, let's go.
It's self-evident.
It's not a statistic.
It's just the sky is blue.
I look up in the sky.
The sky is blue.
I see it.
I know for a fact, average women have an abundance of sexual choice.
So for a man to, an average woman has the equivalent pull as a male celebrity in terms of the regularity in which they can get laid.
I would say very generally speaking, you are correct.
I'm not going to disagree with that.
How's that weird?
No, no, no.
I just, I just, I've never like really thought of it that way.
It's just kind of like a weird way to put it.
But I mean, I guess you're not wrong, but like.
Well, thank you.
I don't know.
It's just like a weird thought.
You know, like, I've never thought about it, I guess.
Like a male celebrity.
I have heard that sentiment.
Ladies, if you haven't done this before, make a fake male profile on Tinder and see what the experience is like.
Brian, you're, I'm not going to disagree with you.
Everything that you've said on a general level is very true.
I agree.
Yeah.
Try it, you guys.
It is a trip.
I've done it with my partner, and it is depressing.
The amount of bots, sorry, Tinder.
But the amount of, there are bots on Tinder.
There are like chatbots on Tinder.
There's like, oh my God.
It's a minefield for men.
So sexually.
Yeah, so sexually.
I'll get to you in just a sec.
Most women can sleep with most men.
Most men cannot sleep with most women.
I mean, sure, but I'd like you to finish a point with that thought.
I mean, are you going somewhere?
Yeah.
Well, I'm tying it back to the gatekeeping thing.
Okay.
So women are the gatekeepers of sex.
Ultimately, some girls are just down on the first night, but most women are going to leverage sex against you in some way.
They're not going to have sex immediately.
I know you're laughing, but I'm not disagreeing with that.
Okay.
I'll give you an anecdote, but that might not be sufficient.
That's fine.
That might not be sufficient for you.
I would say of the past, I'm going to give a number because I don't reveal my body count.
Okay.
Neither are you, slotty boy.
Well, here's why.
Here's why I don't reveal my body count is I think body count matters.
Ergo, I don't share my body count.
Can I ask why it matters to you personally?
Why does it matter?
To you personally.
Yeah, why does it matter?
Just because you think that a lower body is better?
She's asking why I think lower body count in both men and women is better.
Why?
Take me off the roster, coach.
I just, I will.
I'm genuinely.
Okay, well, I mean, this one always people don't like it when I bring this up because it's such an obvious one.
But STD risk.
The more sexual partners.
Just get tested.
Well, no.
Okay, hold on.
You just said just get tested.
People hook up at bars and parties and clubs and drunks.
Do you not know?
Do you really think?
Let me ask.
Do you think the majority of people that are having casual sex are getting tested before every single new sexual encounter?
Hell no.
Are they wearing condoms?
Hell no.
By the way, herpes doesn't fucking matter if you have a condom.
Meeting statistics actually do show the fact that women have the abundance of choice.
Looks at tender swipes.
Let's pull up some studies.
Looks at stats.
I saw significantly less than throughout history.
Hypergames stats, etc.
I mean, I'll completely agree with this, but the Tinder study is.
No, yeah, I'm not.
Guys, by the way, we are going to get to the super chats.
The conversation's been flowing.
So we are going to get to the super chats, guys.
Get your super chats in.
Guys, all super chats will be read, or sorry, all super chats will be displayed in stream overlay.
I will read answer super chats $20 and up.
We're going to pull up the studies really quick.
Go ahead.
Okay, so I just want to tie into this conversation.
I'm not going to disagree with you that women do have more abundance in choice than men do.
But where the gatekeeping part comes from is the quality of that person.
That is like a key thing that isn't being talked about.
Because you're right.
If I wanted to, I could probably hook up with three guys tonight.
Yep.
I could, and I'm not going to deny that, but would I want to do that?
No, I wouldn't.
And also, like, I would like to get to know them first.
I would like to see, you know, what's up.
Personality does matter to me personally.
Well, I would also like to ask.
Tate says, gatekeepers of sex.
So he never said anything about relationships.
So he's talking specifically about sex.
You just said that you could sleep with three men tonight.
Please don't take this the wrong way.
I'm not saying this to insult you at all.
Your male looks equivalent is either a virgin or has an extreme difficulty getting late.
Just I'm not saying that to insult you.
I'm just saying.
I'm not denying that, but what I'm saying is that although I have an abundance of choice, I do gatekeep because I'm not going to let just anyone do that with me.
I want it to matter.
And that is where the difference of perspective comes in regarding that specific situation.
Well, I really don't.
Let me just tell Eric what he needs to pull up.
Eric, can you go into the.
Are you in the infographics folder?
One sec guys.
We're pulling up some infographics here.
Okay, podcast infographics folder.
Okay, you're going to pull up OKC new chart, OKC, OKC1, OKC2, OKC message, and also you're going to pull up, I'm going to have you pull up sex frequency.
It's just sex frequency.
And then you're also going to pull up hypergamy.
Hold on.
Okay, while you do that, let me do some.
Did you want to come in really quick?
No, that's really just all I wanted to say.
Okay, sure.
Let me do the super chats while Erica's pulling all those up.
All right, so we have Zoros Lost.
Oh, yeah, this just Zoros Lost.
Just remember 20 and up.
I think you resubmitted it, though.
Lukewarm $20 Super Chat.
Brian, where are your hoodie strings?
Get it together soon.
I pulled it out.
I don't like the hoodie strings.
Thank you, man.
Gus, $20 Super Chat.
They are never single by choice only celibate.
If you're 47, single and childless, you're definitely the problem.
Saddest demo of person in Western countries is 42 plus women making 50k plus no kids, family.
Your past body count matters to most men.
That's right.
I need to get back into the body count thing.
Do you want to read these, by the way?
I think you might have a better super chat reading voice.
Yeah, do you want to read this one?
Oh, my God.
I'm not reading this.
Can you read this one?
Absolutely not.
Come on.
I can read it.
No.
All right, go ahead.
Okay.
Just beat in cheeks, $50.
Beat in cheeks, $50.
Brian, I will fly you Colombian women right now to replace the clown, hippie, and OF girls you took in this evening.
Polyphems on the panel.
Do you actually see yourselves ever entering a serious relationship with a decent guy with your indecency?
Totally.
It's funny because we're currently in long-term relationships with wonderful men.
Uh-huh.
Absolutely.
That's hilarious.
I will just add that Colombian women are beautiful.
Okay.
I mean, if you want to bring some Colombia, we can share the tale.
I'll show them a good show.
Oh, Beat in Cheeks is coming on the podcast.
Okay, Zoris Lost.
Thank you for the $20 soup chat.
Do you want to read it?
Do you want to read it?
A woman is a reflection of her man, gross.
The fact he agreed to share her when it was her decision tells you he's a beta simp.
A promiscuous woman equals 304.
A man, a 304 maker.
What are these numbers?
Women take a huge L the more man she hooks up with.
Okay.
That's so funny.
I can say the same for men, I guess.
It goes.
It shows you.
Men and women aren't equal.
Well, they're not, but like if your body count is high too, does that not play in a factor as to how I would view you if you're viewing me differently?
The guys that you've done with right now, right?
Did they have a low body count or a we didn't talk about it?
Okay.
But you sensed it from them that they got women, right?
I mean, yeah, they got me.
Rax.
I'm not hanging out with scrubs.
Exactly.
So you just called the guys who are like, have a low body count, scrubs, right?
Not necessarily.
I'm like personally.
Because women vibe off intuition.
So if you look at a guy and he has the experience, generally you're going to go after that type of thing.
I think you're also limiting the experience of BDSM spaces because dominant women like subservient men, and I feel like we're just glossing over that.
Well, that's a whole way.
Throw that out there.
You can kind of tell, though.
So like when you're meeting a person, wherever you want to meet somebody, like how we meet you outside or whatever.
Oh, yeah.
We could kind of sense your vibe, how you could sense our vibe.
And it's just like, my first initial contact with somebody, my first thought isn't like, it's like, oh, wow, like, yeah, he's hot.
But it's not, oh, yeah, like, he probably like bones a lot of girls.
Yeah, because women move.
Oh, don't worry about it.
Well, I'm also.
Women move off intuition.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying?
So I've literally seen both sides before.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I used to not have as many girls, and you will see the way they react to you.
It's like, when you have the experience, it's a totally different thing.
Do you think that has to do that could that could play?
Do you think that has to do with your experience or it has to do with your confidence level upon gaining the experience?
Let's move on.
We got to do it.
Wait, wait, wait.
Please, please.
I have something I really, really want to say.
Make it quick, please.
Rax, you just said that men and women are not equal.
Save it until I get to the next one.
Yeah, I'll put a pen in it.
I'll put a minute in it.
I'll put a pen in it.
I will.
Okay.
We have Manace, $20 Soup Chat.
Thank you, man.
Would love to know every girl on the panel's relationship with their father.
Maybe start the panels off like that every live so we can get an idea of what we're getting ourselves into.
Okay, really quick around the panel.
Good, bad, and also, are your parents still together or are they separated?
Go ahead.
I had a decent relationship with my dad until he died at 19.
So I was 19.
Yeah.
Rip.
Hi.
Our RIPs in the chat.
Go ahead.
I have a great relationship with my father, and he's actually watching, so shout out to my dad.
Yo, shout out.
Gary.
Yo, Gary, what's up?
Yes, Gary.
Hi.
I just had lunch with my dad today, actually.
Your parents still together?
They are still together.
Okay, cool.
I have an amazing relationship with my dad, and they are still together.
What about you?
Zen Super Chatted $50.
And you keep, I'm not just going to let anyone get with me except the 300 plus people.
A cheap product has many customers.
That physical and emotional damage clearly shows the men who accept such low-hanging fruit also their lack of discernment.
Probably pick me up in a club, so I'm not worried about it.
Keep going.
So I have a great relationship with my dad, and my parents are still together.
Actually, our relationship has gotten better throughout the years, I would say.
Like, I would say since me being a teenager, and he started to respect me more as like me being me rather than trying to put this type of projection of what I should be.
And now we have like the best relationship.
I would not change it.
Cool.
Jeffrey Durst Dunst, excuse me, $20 super chat.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Hey, Brian, you told me to show up in the chat, so here I am.
I'm going to sleep now.
Ladies, please just remember that men and women are different.
Therefore, we think differently.
So don't be shocked when we want different two.
I believe this is in relation to body count, but we hear you, Jeffrey.
Yep, that's it.
We're going to touch on that.
All right, Jeffrey.
Yo, Derek, man, X.
I think the TTS got this one right.
Who really expects a man being if you just want to hook up, it's the streets.
Who actually wants stability or partner for life?
I think we've got that as a TTS.
Derek, thank you so much for the big $50 super chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Ian Hall, when I heard, okay, this was the TTS.
Aposematism.
I have no idea what that is.
That's a big word, even for you, little guy, Ian.
Oh, okay.
Zorus lost.
Thank you, man.
It's hilarious when they brag about being hoes.
Notice how a bunch of fours get attention from simps at men out of their league.
Can you do it in a Jamaican here?
You read it.
I don't think Jamaican is appropriate, but I can do German.
Oh, that's what you're going to do, German.
Ooh, never mind.
That's not going to be a good idea.
Can you just do it?
Yeah, okay.
It's hilarious when they brag about being hoes.
Notice how a bunch of fours get attention.
I think I'm a four.
I love even numbers.
Get attention from simps and men out of their league and think they win it.
Fellas never listen to the fish how to fish.
Okay.
What?
It's a setup for failure.
The streets are cold.
Sorry, Zorro's lost.
You're having a hard time.
I like your PSP, though.
Call me.
I'm a One Piece fan.
Is that a slurp?
Yeah.
Wait.
Can you do it again?
Okay.
All right.
A new sound.
Okay, Ian Hall, $20.
Thanks, you, man.
We get it.
She is a slip and slide.
Next.
Probably audience angel.
I love a good summer fun time.
Dank Naked, thank you for the $25 super chat.
You have asked these girls if they have any idea about their ability to pair bond, coupled with how many men they had SFX.
Okay.
Or that high-value men don't want used women.
That doesn't make sense.
Is that a question?
Can you guys, just a polite request?
If you guys are able to just proof check these before you send the super chats, just so I have a little easier time parsing what you're saying.
I'm struggling with the grammar and the brain.
I think you guys are too.
I think that's a question is you have to ask these guys.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think.
Yeah, yeah.
Unclear.
We are in the state.
Yeah, so I mean, well, basically, we were talking about body count earlier.
And the first thing I brought up, and I haven't brought up the other reasons why body count matters, but A woman, and also this impacts men too, but to a lesser degree, the more sexual partners you've had, there's a greater difficulty pair bonding with future partners.
I think that's up to the individual.
Yeah.
I don't know if we can do that.
It might be statistically cut.
Well, ideally the study, babe.
Like, you know, if I can't see anything, studies are so biased.
There are sample sizes.
In fact, how big is it?
Just simple signs.
Do you know how your memory works?
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
Enlighten me.
Basically, you have an imprint based off the guys that you've been with in your past.
So if you rack up 25 guys that you've been with, the memories of them, they stick inside your mind to the point where you can't bond with a new guy.
Let's keep it moving.
All right, we have Zentiens here, $50 Super Chat.
I think this came through as a TTS.
Yeah.
I should just, okay.
Thank you, Zentience, though, dude.
You've been dropping a ton of super chats.
Really appreciate the support.
I hope the brain surgery went well today.
I know that you were.
No, he's got like 200 IQ, so he's like super just all the time.
He can micro.
Like he, he honestly sometimes sends these super chats in the OR operating room.
So he should just go get a Rubik's Cube.
Can I went well?
It's a little scary.
I don't want somebody to be messaging.
But yeah, he's Zentiens has like the micro, you know, like the micro.
Like he can be doing like three different things.
Like, do you guys know Command and Conquer General Zero Hour, the game?
No.
Like 2003.
I know what it is.
2003, like one of the top RTS games.
Like, I don't know if you guys are into FPS, but like RTS is like way better, right?
So he's got the fucking micro, right?
So he's got like, you know, let's say he's playing like China Infantry.
No, actually, let's say he's playing GLA, right?
He's going to throw a bunch of rocket men into the technical.
Boom, rush your base, you're done.
While he's performing brain surgery.
So watch out for Zentience.
I don't like that.
Dude, Zentience, though, he's like back during the generals, Command and Conquer Generals.
What is he working at?
He's like calling video games and doing brain surgery.
Yeah, while you're in surgery, you're not a little concerning.
I like that you know all this info about the comic.
He's like top.
I'm a little concerned for his patients.
I hope they're all okay.
I trust his work, but like video games while working.
He's top ladder.
I have seen a lot of top ladder doctors.
I've seen him play a video game.
I have a question for you.
Oh, sorry.
Okay, hold on.
Oh, my God, bro.
Okay, I feel like...
Oh, this was an old one.
Can anyone do this in, like, a Jamaican accent or Barbados?
Are you...
187-0 and super chatted $100.
Women are on one side of the locked door.
Men try to get through the door.
A man usually has to be worthy of getting through the door.
A woman's quality is based on how human she's let through the door.
A man's value is based on if he could earn going through many was that a poem?
Can you pull that up, Eric?
Was that a poem?
He wrote us on the channel.
Can you pull it up?
Yeah.
Durpington 700701, thank you for the big $100 soup chat, man.
Thank you.
Women are on one side of a locked door.
If she's let through the door, a man's value is based on if he could earn going through many doors.
Oh, so you talk kind of like the lock and key metaphor?
Can I say that a vagina is like a pencil sharpener and a penis like a pencil?
The more vaginas you fuck, the smaller.
Can I add something?
That's not true about that.
Oh my god.
But I could, I mean, you could flip the script very easily, so the key and lock analogy.
So I've heard the pencil sharpener as a rebuttal to the key and lock analogy.
I think they're absurd.
Well, so the key and lock analogy goes something like a fuck.
It's a fuck, I have it, but it's a lot of fun.
I know what you mean.
No, no, it can't be a lock that is opened by many keys.
A lock that is open by many keys is a shitty lock, but a key that opens many locks is a master key.
I think I might have flipped it, but those are the two.
That's the graph.
But see, that analogy, it's suggesting that it's harder for men to get laid.
It's not like it's not an experience.
I feel like we've established that we don't disagree with you on this.
Okay, fine.
But can I add something to that sentiment really quick?
Sure.
I feel like, yes, we do focus on the quality of men, but that doesn't just mean looks.
That doesn't just mean finances.
That doesn't just, it can mean a multitude of things, right?
And that is up to the individual.
And I feel like men do the exact same thing.
You know, maybe a guy is not going to date a girl that he doesn't find super attractive.
That's fine.
There are guys who love to date women with great personalities who might not be super attractive.
I think it's, I think this, what I guess I'm trying to say is it goes for both men and women.
The qualities that they look for are different.
That's all I wanted to add.
I agree with you.
I would say that women, generally speaking, have much more standards and expectations than men do in terms of what they're looking for in a partner.
Do you think that's a problem that women have standards?
No, I don't think it's a problem, but I think it's.
Do you think men should have more standards?
I think they should.
Me too.
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
And one of those standards is not dating women with a high body count.
Why?
Wait, wait, wait.
Can we get back to that?
I really want to know.
I mean, STIs are a valid concern.
I completely agree with you.
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to note.
Hold on.
I'm going to note for us to come back to it.
We will discuss bodycon.
I'm just going to get through the super chats.
Okay.
Okay.
We have, let's see, did we do this one?
Wait.
Yes.
Yeah.
We got Zentience.
Did we get Gus?
Yes.
Are you sure?
We never did read it.
Okay, when they are about to hit the wall, they always stop thinking about doing shenanigans y'all are ran through and you don't like it because it's true and they wonder why society doesn't take them seriously.
L L to Comifornia.
Oh my god.
That one's funny to me.
That was come and join your cows in the Midwest.
Comifornia.
That's actually hilarious.
And I'm going to use that.
That's so funny.
California.
I like California Stan.
What's that?
What?
California Stan?
Like signing.
Oh, like we stand in California?
No, no, no, no.
Like Uzbeki Stan, Kazakhstan, California Stan.
Oh.
Afghanistan.
I did not think that.
I thought we clothes is nice.
I haven't heard of that.
I thought you were like someone who stands California.
That's why I'm a California stand.
This thing is like K-pop.
California stand.
BDS stand.
No, but I understand.
California is a failed society.
Okay.
Why are you here, though?
You know what's funny about.
Oh, Jesus, it's still going off.
Hold on.
California, you know what's funny is like a lot of people leave California because of the problems in California and they'll move to like Texas or other states, but they bring their politics.
They bring, let's be honest, they bring liberal politics to conservative states and then those states turn into shit.
Well, I mean, it has less to do with that and more to do with the fact that there's just like a ton of people here.
Yeah, it's a very, it's a very nuanced.
I'm getting it.
I would like to not get into that.
This is not happening.
This is a relationship podcast.
We like to talk about so much.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Okay.
We have Derek Mann.
Thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
Girl on the left is going to watch the rest of the group sink the ship.
Okay.
Sorry.
What?
They all like you the most.
I really am not.
What's up?
I think why?
Oh, okay.
Dave On Jackson, $20 Super Chat.
What WTF did I just tune into?
If you clap for everything, your claps mean nothing.
That was the only clap, by the way, in the whole thing.
But okay.
Yo, Zentians, thank you again, man, for this big $100 super chat.
As a woman, you're supporting woman.
This came through as a TTS.
Big thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
We will pull up the stats here.
What is a 304?
It's a hoe.
It's the internet development.
Oh, my God.
You're whatever.
It's so weird.
I know.
Yo, Derek Man, thank you for the super chat.
I didn't even think about that.
That's like going back to like 30 years.
Hold on, let's just do the super chats.
Ask each woman on the panel how important how important it is to have a low body count for a high-value man.
As well, ask if you understand what constitutes what a high-value woman is.
I want quick answers, guys.
So, body count, does that matter in a male partner for you?
And Zentien super chatted $50.
Oh my goodness.
Benjamin, be well, safe, and stoic.
Work out.
Work on yourself.
And focus on proving your own life.
Expand your horizons and never let these copulatory sperm rags distract you more than me.
He had me in the first half.
Zentiens has got quite the vocabulary.
He's quite an articulate man.
Copulatory sperm rags.
That's a new one.
I haven't heard that one before.
I love how you view women.
Do you guys want to respond to Zentience calling you copulatory sperm rags?
Well, more importantly, I think the first half of your message is great, but that last half hi-y!
Like, what?
Okay, I think if you don't have a girlfriend right now, it's probably because you view her as a cum rag if she doesn't meet your standards, which is crazy.
Also, like, what?
Never mind.
Okay.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay, let's keep the next one.
No, It was that question.
Oh, this question.
Yeah, real quick on this, guys.
So, does it, okay, does a guy's body count matter and what constitutes high-value woman?
If you can give a quick answer, go ahead.
If I'm not insecure in the connection I have with somebody, if I like them enough, body count is meaningless to me.
And what constitutes a high-value woman, I just don't subscribe to the ideology.
Okay.
High-value.
Body count does not matter.
I've had sex with some very high-value men who also have a high body count.
So what does that make a difference?
And what was the last part of that?
What's a high-value woman?
I think whatever woman wants to call herself a high-value woman, I think highly of myself.
So I place myself in high value.
It's not really up to anybody else to determine that.
So thanks for coming.
Thanks for coming.
Agreed.
Dab me up, bro.
Dab me up.
Body count does not matter to me personally.
I don't think it's ever really mattered to me.
And I kind of agree with Valence, actually.
I don't really think high-value men, high-value women should be.
The smartest man in the world super chatted $49.99.
Solipsism is greater than $9,000.
The panel's inability to own their behavior without deflecting, distracting, and arguing the exception is manipulation.
Over lifetime average.
Pull it up, Eric, if you can find it.
Also, we've all owned everything that we've said, actually.
Clearly, you haven't been here a couple times.
Hold on.
Over lifetime average, U.S. men adds $225,000 to economy.
Average U.S. woman drains $122,000.
Hashtag repeal the 19th.
Okay.
We're not getting it.
All right.
Okay.
That's an interesting one.
Back to the question.
Okay.
Disgusting.
That's disgusting.
I did.
I'm not going to comment on the repealing of women's suffrage, but I did see there was something, and this was statistically shown, that in terms of benefits, women are a net negative in terms of what they contribute in terms of taxes, and men are a net positive.
Go ahead.
Can I comment on that?
Okay, so today actually is a really great example.
I had a patient.
She's in her 70s.
She was telling me about how when she divorced her husband in the 70s because he was abusive.
She couldn't get a line of credit.
She couldn't get a job.
She couldn't get a house.
She didn't have like all of the financial things set up for her because of the way that women were basically considered in Texas in the 70s.
Women weren't able to open up their own bank accounts until like literally the 70s.
So the fact that we are not as a contributor to the economy, we haven't had as much time or rights, education, ability than that.
I would really, really like to chime in here.
Whoa, one thing, I'm black, so I was pretty much in the same situation.
So then you totally feel me on that.
But now, like, I'm what you consider a high-value man, so I don't really use it as an extension.
But data, because I work in medicine, so I'm contributing to my economy.
I mean, same difference.
You know what I mean?
Like, we don't need the statistics.
This sentiment truly shows how little domestic labor is valued as a society.
I don't think this has to do with finances.
I think domestic labor is perfectly valid, and sometimes necessary.
I gotta give a shout out to the single moms, too, because we're working single dads.
Single parents in general, just it's very challenging to be a single parent in this day and age.
That actually, you make a very good point.
And that's a good point.
Thank you.
Yeah.
You've been making that.
I would like to see maybe like because there were some differences in the past, I would like to see the analysis of the, I don't know what the appropriate term is, but domestic labor would be the cost of?
Of men, current people between the ages of 20 and 40, their net benefit on the tax system.
I just put a new study out in the last couple months, like pertaining to something like that.
If you feel like researching, I don't.
Thank you.
I'm going to look it up.
I would also like to say, too, that the 40, this is touching on it, and then I'll be done.
But the 40-hour work week is also based off of having all of your domestic needs met.
That was the original intention of the 40-hour work week.
And it was also supposed to originally cover the whole family for the 40-hour work week.
So I mean, like, our whole financial system is based off of the family unit and men being a single earner for the whole family.
But our economy is so screwy that we now all have to be single people earners.
And so it's kind of just difficult.
I mean, the reason why now both people have to work is, and I think it's good.
Well, it's a very nuanced thing, so I don't want to diminish it to just one thing.
But the reason you now need two incomes to support a family, and I think this is perhaps only a small minor detraction of what happened.
I think it's fantastic that women are in the workforce.
Well, education, absolutely.
No, okay, hold on.
I think it's fantastic that women have been able to join the workforce.
And I think it's fantastic that we have women that are trying to solve some of the most difficult problems such as cancer.
I think I'm in favor.
Let's throw as much labor and resources as we can towards solving age-related disease, Alzheimer's, cancer, all this stuff, right?
However, there's socioeconomic and cultural impacts when you basically open up the labor pool to You basically doubling the labor pool when we kind of opened the market up to women to start working.
Totally.
I mean, that's what I was saying.
I think that's a good thing, but that's, I would say, the primary reason why you now need two incomes to provide family.
Well, that and also inflation.
But I would also say that, you know, that is very true.
Women.
But ultimately, to say that women are worth less because they contribute less financially.
It's just a false equivalent, frankly, because that's completely negating domestic labor entirely.
And that's just not fair, frankly.
I would have to look and see if we looked at younger age cohorts.
Well, to be fair, though, here's the thing is that women have been graduating from university at higher rates since the 1980s.
So women who graduated in 1980, they're now in their 60s, their retirement age.
So we've had equality in university graduation rates since the 1980s.
That was the beginning.
It wasn't really like, okay, sure, yes, but that's not to say that gender roles are not still present.
If gender roles weren't still present, we wouldn't be on this podcast to be able to do that.
Eric, how long has this super chat been up?
It just came up.
Also, like, I coach a lot of millionaires.
No billionaires yet, but I'm working on this.
You're working on it.
I coach a lot of millionaires where they literally have to set like a divorce budget aside.
You know what I'm saying?
That's so sad.
No, but it's a smart thing to do when you make a lot of money.
You have to protect yourself.
A lot of women are making a lot of money just off of the mayor's.
That's true.
Yeah, I know that's for sure.
Eric, can you pop the door open, get a little fresh air?
I would also like to add something that I feel like there are a lot of men watching this podcast who feel like women are always out to find a super financially stable man.
And I will be a woman who openly admits, if I can take care of all the finances myself, I would love to.
I would love to do that.
I would love to do that.
I would be more than happy to do that because I know that, you know.
I'm serious.
I feel like...
But which one would you love more?
To take care of the finances or to have a business?
Honestly, I would love it to be equal.
I would love it to be equal.
I would love to take care of whatever necessities I need and whatever necessities he needs.
Personally, I would love to take care of my partner.
Personally.
I really believe that.
I would love to take care of my partner.
We're not there yet.
So many women say that who is like 40 or 50 and then they see the guy like not leveling up their finances and then they're gone.
No, absolutely not.
My partner does more of the domestic labor in our relationship.
That's the fact that he cooks for me, he cleans for me, and I bring home the income.
We currently are not 50-50.
We're more like a 75-25 split.
But I personally love it.
I mean, my mind isn't going to change anytime soon.
I love my partner and I love our situation.
So I just want to ask you guys, because you guys both do OnlyFans, are you guys able to share your monthly, you don't have to give exact numbers, but maybe a range of how much you make on OnlyFans?
I would like to respectfully decline.
I would like to not share that number well just I it's sort of contextual just because we're talking about I will say because most women because here's the thing with OnlyFans you can make such an obscene amount of money I don't make an obscene amount of money.
I will say that right now.
I am not.
I agree.
I am not one of those.
Well, okay, so I mean, I feel like people were making like obscenes amount of money like at the beginning, and now that it's kind of just like a regular subscription.
Women are making a lot of money.
No, it has to do with celebrity status.
If you have celebrity status, it's easy to rake in a lot of money.
I think I know this is going to be controversial on this podcast.
A lot of men like to view OnlyFans as like not real labor or not a job.
But I'd like to say that you're still delivering a product.
You're essentially in sales.
I also pay my taxes on sexuality.
True.
And we are, yeah, we are also taxpayers in addition to that.
But there is a product to be sold.
This isn't like, I opened a page and oh, I have all these simps.
That's not how it works.
I mean, I think that's the perception of men.
They think that, like, oh, you're a woman, you exist, money flows to you.
That's not the case at all.
It is very different.
But if you have celebrity status, it's easy to open a page the moment you open a page.
Tons of people because they already like you.
Let me ask you guys both a question on this.
Do you know any women?
Maybe for you guys, you guys work incredibly hard with your OnlyFans.
You spend a lot of time on your content.
I mean, you guys do some costume cosplay stuff.
So I think there's a level of effort that goes into that.
But there are women who are more, say, vanilla.
There are some women who are more vanilla.
They just take nude photographs of themselves with their iPhone, upload it.
So you might know within your network that there are some women who do put in less effort than you and they make a decent amount of money.
I'm not going to disagree to that.
Can I say something?
Of course.
I'm like, to a degree, Brian, but also I think it shows that you personally maybe haven't been, I don't know if I can say corn.
Yeah, just say corn.
Say corn.
That you personally maybe don't have as much experience in the corn industry.
While there are women sort of like that, there is a lot of work and energy that goes into filming a scene.
Lighting, I mean, location, lighting, who's filming?
Am I paying that person?
Are we getting testing done?
Testing costs like $300 every time you get it done.
Like, so even though maybe you see them as girls posing nude in front of a camera or just like vanilla creators that just film typical erotic scenes, there is so much work that goes into even that.
They don't have to be making costumes from scratch like I do.
So we're but okay, we're sort of talking about something slightly different.
You're talking about like traditional corn.
No, women self-produce now.
Most OnlyFans girls that you see, they are self-producing their own videos.
But a lot of girls are.
But a lot of girls are just taking photos with their iPhone.
Okay, Brian.
I would love to say that, but I've managed up to 20 women so far, and every single one of them put in the same level of effort.
And I think from a personal standpoint, I can say that that's not my experience.
I believe those women who are just taking, you know, the nudes on the iPhone or whatever, again, those, they have more of a following, so it's a little bit easier for them to navigate that space, whereas they don't have to really commit fully to make the corn experience in its entirety.
Okay, you wanted to go ahead.
I am personal friends with somebody who does make a lot of money on that website.
And I know plenty of other models who have as well.
And I'm going to be honest, it really does boil down to how attractive they are in the societal sense.
I'm not even going to front.
I don't want to bring a certain topic into this, but like if somebody has quality, if a woman has qualities that are generally more appeasing to the public, she may, she's still working hard because she still needs a fan base.
She still needs all that.
But money will come easier to her.
I'm not denying that.
That's what I was going to say.
Is like a really exceptionally attractive woman.
She can, you know, if you're less attractive, you're going to have to put in more effort in other ways.
Yeah, but it also, I'm going to touch on the celebrity aspect again, and I'm going to just use some of my own numbers that I feel comfortable with.
Sure.
When I first started, I made, and I had a little bit of a social media following because I've been in the cosplay scene since like 2012.
I've been doing this for a really long time.
Yeah, right?
I've been doing this for a really long time.
You want to know how much I made my first month?
I made $25.
I made $25 my first month.
And I don't want to name drop, but like, you know, there are plenty of celebrities opening up pages now.
There was a celebrity who turned 18, I think, in 2021, and she made $5 million Her first on her first.
Are you calling Daniel Bergoli or whatever?
I don't know.
Bad baby.
Oh, she's one of them, though.
Yeah.
I feel like it's those creators that have sort of skewed your perception of how money flows to women.
Well, I mean, we've had some OnlyFans girls on the show.
They've shared.
We had some two weeks ago or one week ago, and then we had like eight girl OnlyFan panels.
I just want to say that, like, yes, there are people making obscene amounts of money, but that is not the case for everyone.
I personally would say that I make a very average income or like a little bit above an average income, what I would working a part-time job.
Okay, so, but just to bring it back to what we were originally talking about, you were saying that you would be both of you were saying, and I think maybe some of you agreed, you'd be perfectly okay being the sole breadwinner in the relationship.
I think that's fine.
If you feel that way, fine.
However, I would say most women, generally speaking, would not tolerate their partner being a stay-at-home person.
And here's, I'll let you come in just a second.
Well, didn't mean it like that.
Hold on.
I'll let you come in something I see.
Yeah, okay, all right.
That got a little spicy there.
So most women, for example, a woman who's an attorney would probably not look a guy's way who works at Starbucks or who works at Chick-fil-A.
However, a male attorney would gladly date an attractive woman.
That's personal preference.
That's 100%.
That's a stay-at-home husband for a lawyer, wife, their nursery.
Okay, but generally, generally speaking, most women want to date men that are on their level or higher.
Whereas most men, so long as she's pleasant and attractive, we really don't care about them.
You can set higher standards for her.
Yeah, that almost seems like an issue.
I feel like that comes back to what we were talking about.
Men should be setting higher standards.
Yeah, if you don't want to.
It doesn't, well, I could set the standard of I want a woman that makes 200K a year, right?
I could set that standard.
Well, one, that would limit my pool of potential partners.
It's a standard that I don't, quite frankly, I don't really care about a woman's money.
It's great for her, but here's a reason, one of the reasons why men don't really care about it.
There's an evo psych reason because evolutionary, historically, men, we were the providers and protectors.
So evolutionary, we haven't evolved to really look for a woman to provide for us.
And also, we, the way most men and women move, like, it's just not going to work out.
The big thing is, though, at least for me, is that even if a woman does make money, women do not share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
Men will spoil women.
Women, generally speaking, don't spoil men.
And you know, I could agree with that.
And I would say that women need to court men more.
We were actually 100% right now.
I love courting men.
I love taking men on dates, truly.
And again, maybe this has to do with me being a dominant woman and liking more submissive men, but I love courting men.
But you just pointed out the whole thing.
You say you're a more dominant woman.
Wait, I want to add in.
So you're an outlier, though.
Because most women, and we've had a lot of women on this panel, and generally speaking, I would say most women, like, first off, they want the guy to pay for the first date.
They want the guy to do the more traditional courtship.
I think that has to do with women.
And I do have to say, like, and that's, I have a hard time with that because I am such like a, you know, like go-for-women type of person.
But I have the traditional mindset of like, you know, like, I want the guy to be the sole provider if we're going to have, you know, like a building of a life together.
And that's just unfortunately like in my brain the way it is.
But it's actually $50.
Question for the women.
How often do you guys think about your moral values?
Indeed, you believe having moral values are important when it comes to dating.
Thanks for the show, Brian.
Interesting to watch.
Thank you, Matt Lemons.
Appreciate it.
Do you want to do like a quick round?
What is the question?
How often do you guys think about your moral values?
How often do we think about them and do we believe having the lives of people?
10-second answer, girl.
Constantly, I'm ethical non-monogamous, and so I'm constantly thinking about honesty and morality within that dynamic.
100%.
I'm usually thinking about my morality unless I'm drinking tequila.
Oh, girl.
I'm kidding, guys.
I'm screaming.
The laugh of that.
Oh, my God.
What was the question?
How often do you think about your morality?
Do you feel like your moral values?
Whenever I'm at work.
Okay.
Because, you know, it's important to.
I think about them all the time.
I also think about it constantly, and I do think it's really important when it comes into your dating life.
Because, like, let's be realistic.
You're only going to vibe with somebody or get along with somebody that you're in a relationship with that has similar, if not the same, moral values as you.
Oh, are we talking about sex moral values?
No, no, no, just moral values.
We were talking about courtship and what?
Traditional values.
Oh, you were saying that you like a guy to pay for you, to do the traditional courtship.
But I have a question for you.
I mean, given some of the things you've told us, you don't strike me as a traditional woman.
Right.
Yet you expect or want traditional courtship from a man.
Right.
How do you reconcile that?
That's where I have like a dichotomy internally, like an internal dialogue where I'm like, I should, I don't know if it's the, I've grown up with a, you know, more traditional-minded family, and that's just kind of been instilled in me.
And my dad's a provider, so that's kind of the way that I look at men as, you know, the strong provider character.
Yeah, I honestly, I haven't looked much insight into that, but you're, you're right.
Like, I'm not a traditional looking women, and I'm not a traditional-based woman in that regard, but definitely when I think when it comes to like being courted and courting others, I tend to take the more traditional route.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
And I say that even though I'm a woman that tends to court men myself, I don't think there's anything wrong with that because unfortunately, we live in a society.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry to do that.
But truly, truly, we live in a society where gender roles are established.
And when you're going on a first date with somebody, you don't know this person.
You don't know them at all, right?
That's like the whole point.
And so you don't know their perspective on men, women, dating, gender roles.
And so it's almost like an initial test because there are, unfortunately, a lot of men who see how you behave on the first date and who pays almost like a test.
And I've talked to a lot of men that have said that if they pay for the date, I mean, some men think it's a red flag, but a lot of men also say that they want to pay for the first date.
Almost like as a sign of respect for the woman.
Or if a woman respects herself, that he'll pay.
Right.
I've heard that.
I mean, I would love your take on that, but.
I don't pay for the first date.
Okay.
I think that just really.
Okay.
See, I think that just wait quickly.
Unless she's like in college or something.
Oh, sure.
Financial.
Even if you ask her.
If there's like a financial, huh?
Even if you're the one to prompt her.
Yeah, if I say, hey, do you want to go grab a drink?
Do you want to, well, I don't do dinner dates, but if I said, hey, do you want to go to the next story?
Well, that makes more sense if you don't do dinner dates.
So drinks are easier to split than dinner.
Brian, do you not like to court women?
I mean, it's a genuine question.
No.
No?
Would you prefer to be sorted?
Oh.
I just say no courtship.
No courtship.
Just let's say that's why I'm saying that.
I really like that you acknowledge the financial difference as being an aspect because I think that also plays into that.
That, like, if you're in a position, and I mean, maybe a power, that's a power dynamic, right?
If you're in a position where you're financially better off than the woman you're seeing, I like that you at least admit that you're like, I'd be happy paying, knowing that, like, I'm way more well off than the person I'm going to date with.
Well, yeah, I mean, that's that, I appreciate that.
Thank you.
Yeah, but I'm not like, if I'm pursuing a woman and she's making 100K a year, she's a, I've dated, I mean, I've dated a dentist, I've dated more nurses than I can count, I've dated like three attorneys, I've dated a surgeon, I've dated a doctor, I've dated, like, they're making money, sure, yeah, they can pay, you know, but if I'm dating someone who's a barista, or if I'm dating a girl who's, you know, a college student or grad student or something, then in those situations,
I'm more willing to pay, but there's another component too.
If she's for the, well, if she's for the streets, I'm probably just not interested to begin with, but but like my take is that here's it, here's the thing: most women, I would just flat out pay all the time if women were traditional.
I would adhere to my traditional gender roles under those circumstances, but the majority of women's one super chat at $49.99.
I don't get it.
Are you looking for an actual man or are you looking for clients?
Oh, are you Derek Mann?
Are you saying, are you saying that they're pandering?
Are you saying the funniest comment I've seen this whole time?
Clients.
I love that.
So the majority of women, I'd say, are not traditional women.
Ergo, I don't feel obliged to adhere to my traditional.
This sounds like a bigger concern to me.
This sounds like you are concerned of being manipulated.
Well, I don't want to be a sucker.
You don't want to be manipulated.
That checks out.
I mean, that checks out to me.
And I would like to add that that comes back to the individualism.
That comes back to it's a case-by-case basis, right?
I think where we start to get in trouble in the dating pool is generalizing too much, right?
We, all the women on this panel, have been constantly talking about individualism and how everyone has a different experience with every per like every person.
But you two specifically keep on saying, well, let's generalize, let's generalize.
And the thing is, well, can I finish?
Should I finish?
And I understand.
No, no, wait.
I understand that the generalization is important.
I'm not saying that it's not, but I'm saying when you constantly think about the generalization, it's going to hinder you from individually connecting with a person.
That's all I wanted to say.
And yeah, I don't usually generalize.
I always say like women are in different categories.
You know what I'm saying?
So I have a radar where I can look at a woman and know like I'm not going to pay for her because she's already expecting it.
Okay.
This kind of woman, she's more traditional.
So like, fuck it, I'll pay for her.
And then the other woman is just like, I'm not even going to go out on a date with them.
I'll just say what's the difference between traditional and expecting it?
Because is it traditional values expecting the man to pay for it?
Like, what do you mean by expecting it?
And also, I also wanted to ask you, isn't putting people in categories generalizing them as well?
So it's still like a generalization.
She just said individualism.
Yeah, yeah.
But when you place women in a category, you're generalizing them to that category.
Because I've seen every single type of woman.
I have a very diverse perspective.
I'm probably the only guy who's literally been with every race and every type of culture.
Well, I'm not too fast.
Have you ever been with an asexual domino?
Punch card?
No, I'm not talking about like.
Oh, okay.
Okay, I see.
I see.
Yeah, so I've seen everything.
So, right.
If she's the type of woman who she's hella bougie and shit like that, like, I'm not going to pay for her because she's expecting it.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't like that.
I agree with what you said, where it's like those type of bougie women, you already know that they're expecting some shit.
So I'm not going to be the sucker to do that.
So it comes down to the manipulation factor of like you don't want to be manipulated when you go off.
It's not about not wanting to be manipulated.
It's just that you can peep shit from like a wide angle and just see like she's not the one to do it with.
Why?
Peep it.
I just told you.
Because you're afraid she'll take advantage of you.
Why are you guys saying like afraid she'll take she will take advantage of you?
Okay, and that's manipulation.
Well, that's what you're that's what you're trying to avoid, right?
That's the whole point.
That's what we're saying.
So in my case, how me and Brian were talking about how I have like a more kind of traditional value in that mindset, but like I don't present as a, you know, like traditional girl.
What's the body count again?
Too high for you to count.
Close to mine.
How would you like approach this like hypothetically have a lot of money?
That's what I'm saying.
I have a radar, so from the first moment I saw you, like I know like what type of woman you are.
Wait, can we actually, if you feel comfortable, I would really be interested in if anybody else is comfortable.
Oh my god, yes.
And I'd love to be red.
I know, I am.
Oh my god, go for it.
I know what it is.
I already knew you, like, could I tell her about smoking?
Outside.
Oh, yeah, because we were scrolling.
Oh, yeah, so I pull up and like, she's smoking a J outside.
So I'm like, already like, okay, yeah, she's probably promiscuous.
Wait, because we, I'm sorry.
What?
What is the stupidest assumption I've ever heard?
I would like to let him finish.
I was trying to calm my nerves, but okay.
You heard it here.
Don't smoke weed or you're a horse.
You're a slut.
Don't you dare.
No more marijuana.
Let me play this stupid soundboard thing.
I used to do drugs.
I still do, but I used to too.
I'm not talking to.
So, okay, she's a drug user.
No, no, no, no.
That's a very interesting question.
That's not what you said.
Yeah, we asked Internet.
We asked Terena.
Guys, The radar isn't just the drug use.
It's just, I can look at a woman and within like three or four seconds know what type of woman is.
Was it the armpit hair?
Can you show the armpit hair again?
Yeah, that one too, like off top.
I'm already knowing.
So, the cosplay girls, low-key, you just know, you know?
Freaky.
I didn't know it was going to be like 300 bodies, but I'm going to be real.
It was probably like 100 or something like that.
Wait, can you guys do an U really quick, separately?
$49.99.
You literally cost more than you're worth than you're allowed to vote against.
Tax or draft me without any consequence to you.
Why do I have to die to protect in funny?
Pull it up, Eric.
Are you a social media?
Pull up, pull it up, pull it up.
Why do I have to die to protect you?
You know what traditional means?
Stop cabby and gaslighting.
You don't get to act like a 300 for them once you get treated like a lady.
Traditional equals low body count.
Feminine.
Non-combative.
Family-oriented.
Non-combative.
See, that's where I think I disagree.
Submissive.
She doesn't argue.
Let's me tell her what to do.
I love that in a woman.
I just want to control her.
God, that's so sexy.
I think all of these guys need a hug.
Yeah, you guys need some love.
I get plenty of hugs.
We don't need anything.
No, no, you're good.
You're Gucci.
You just need some love.
These guys in the chat, they're all Chads.
Yeah, they're Chads.
Chad's cool.
Don't worry about Chad.
I'm not into chat, so that's okay.
But in all fairness, we did ask you to read us.
Continue.
I'll just do hers.
She's the last one.
Oh, yeah, I don't know.
She was smoking up here, by the way.
So I wasn't.
Well, I didn't see her.
Oh, that's so.
I just saw the tat on the tricep, and I've dealt with like 20 girls who have tats on the triceps.
Do you want to know what's hilarious, though?
This is actually a tribute tat.
This is a tribute for myself.
Well, I don't know if it's a tribute.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm just looking at the rows and I'm just gonna take a look at the shit.
It's just a placement.
Like, what if I put it back here?
Because I work with children, and so some parents don't want to.
Well, within the first 30 seconds, do I know that you weren't?
No, but that's what I'm saying: is that you're already in the first three to four seconds, you're putting this label on a person.
Because 99% of the time, it's right.
99, I would say 85.
Do you find that?
Well, you just said that you have a 20 body count.
Yeah, but what did you think I had?
You thought I had what?
I thought it was going to be like 15, 17, 15.
That's so close to 20.
That's so like.
That's three away.
That's what I just said.
I can tell by my radar that it's close to 20.
But just because I had a trice tattoo.
I told you it's the whole aura.
Can I ask you a question?
Like an actual genuine question, right?
Do you feel like it's hard for you to connect with women that you actually enjoy the company of?
No.
No.
Okay.
So you feel like the pool of women that you've created for yourself by setting your standards, which is totally up to you, is good?
I just say yeah.
Okay, I just wanted to ask.
Okay.
I have a question for you.
So, would you, do you have a facial hair preference for men?
Like beards, no beards?
It's funny that you're not going to be able to do that.
Because I haven't, but my partner has a beard and I'm into it.
But like, for example, some women prefer a guy clean-shaven, some women like beards, some women don't care.
Actually, you know what it is?
It is as long as you're maintaining it in like a nice way.
You know, like your beard is like nicely maintained.
Like, it could use like a little bit of a liner.
It's pretty nice.
It's clean.
It's lean.
It's not straggling.
It's like I mean, like, it's nice.
You looked in the mirror and you brushed it this morning, I guarantee.
It doesn't look like pupils.
So, like, yes.
I was trying to be nice about it.
It doesn't look like pupils looks great.
Oh, okay.
Basically, but what I'm saying is, like, if you have a dude that has like a mustache that's like very clearly overgrown or like aftershave that's like, you know, five o'clock shadow, that he's like not taking care of his like skin.
I work in Durham.
Skin and stuff.
1970 and super chatted $50.
I didn't say submissive or manipulating.
You made into that yourself.
Pennywise.
It says a lot about you that if someone is non-combative to you, it equates to them being submissive/slashy doormat.
Yo, Derpington, thank you.
Pennywise is so sexy, guys.
I just, God, Pennywise gets me.
Okay.
I might be asexual, but Pennywise can get it.
Oh, little scars guard.
As a clown, got you.
The cluster of the colours.
Clossy power is too strong.
Closy power.
Closy power.
You know what I'm saying?
Wait, so just to finish.
Just to finish this off.
So, have you ever, because you do have the underarm hair?
Can you show it again really quick just because it's...
They're really on that.
I guess so.
Do women do this often?
Would if like you met a guy and you liked him and he didn't, he was nice about it, but he was like, hey, would you be willing?
He was polite, but he's like, hey, would you be willing to shave your underarm hair?
Would you be like, would you be pissed off at him?
I wouldn't really date somebody who would ask me to do that.
I think.
This is the fall of society.
Because a woman is allowed to have autonomy over her body hair.
That's the fall of society.
Is that like my hair body autonomy?
And if somebody told, it's okay.
Honestly, it's the same thing as guys telling that they like women to be fully Brazilian waxed.
I will not date somebody who tells me that.
He's automatically off of like my list of approved because I think that having somebody tell you what you should do with your own body isn't right.
And like, if that's your preference, that's fine, but I'm not going to give it to you.
I'll tell you one thing on the beard thing.
I think almost the past of the past partners I've had in the, because I've only been growing a beard for like maybe a year, a year or so, you know, I trim it or whatever, but almost every single girl, one girl said she liked it, almost every single girl has been very vocal about them not liking facial hair.
But I'm not offended by it.
I'm just like, tough luck.
I mean, it's personal preference.
Exactly.
And it's not fair for you to get rid of it.
Yeah.
No, but I'm not sure.
I'm not like.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Well, why would I want it?
So I think the difference is, and you know what?
Maybe, maybe in a setting where it is more polite, I might be a little more open to it.
But, you know, I'm not going to lie.
A lot of my experience with male relationships before, you know, I was, before the pandemic, before I was having fun, was really abusive.
I was very controlled and I was living with him.
And so a lot of where I am strong in my convictions comes from where I was oppressed before.
Oppressed?
That's a strange.
That's a strong.
You already left the relationship.
Oh, my God.
That goes like in a, you know, that's just a totally different territory.
Because there are a lot of places where you can't.
Let's not get into that.
Yeah, it's very clear.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's get back to the super chats.
But before we do the super chats, we have our good friends stiff.
Good to know.
That is.
Whoops.
Hold on.
Let me stop.
Okay.
We're still figuring that one out.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
And we're going to start with you.
Go ahead.
Why are we starting with me?
Man, we've been starting over.
That's not.
I'm going to start.
I'm going to say that.
Actually, why don't you start?
No, we have the girls go first, then we'll give ours.
Okay.
Ladies first.
I mean, I don't really like to gauge myself on a 1 to 10 basis.
I think that it is.
Your physical appearance.
Yeah, yeah.
We're talking physical appearance.
Again, I'm talking physical appearance.
I feel like my look could be a 10 to a lot of different people, but my look at all of you.
Generally speaking.
Generally speaking, I mean, in society, an eight to a 10 is my general gauge is that I will give myself.
I think I'm anywhere from an 8 to a 10.
I think when I get myself all dolled up, I'm a fucking 10.
I know I'm a fucking 10.
Regardless of what it is.
But I also think that I could look like a fucking 10 and somebody out there could be like, damn, she get three.
Yeah.
Who gives a fuck?
Okay, forget about what other people would rate you.
What is your self-assessment?
My self-assessment would be a 10.
Yes, that would be my self-assessment.
I think I'm not sure.
I will not be giving one.
Respect.
Because honestly, I okay, I told you before that I grew up as a fat kid, right?
I've always been the fat girl.
I've always had to deal with that.
And I've had plenty of self-esteem issues.
There are some days where I feel really good about my appearance, and there are some days where I feel bad.
It's the same thing, but I will not limit myself to a 1 to 10 scale because I know that I have more to offer than my appearance.
So why don't you just say 10?
Because I don't think I don't want to give myself a number because I think limiting myself to a number is so.
How is a 10 limiting yourself?
Because I might have more to offer.
10 out of 10 means 100%.
There's no.
But I don't like playing into that narrative of rating on a number, and so I won't be giving myself one.
I agree.
I'm going to be honest.
I'm going to grew up with like body.
Okay.
Okay, you're omitting.
That's okay.
Go ahead.
I concur.
I grew up being an ugly duckling.
Okay, just are you omitting or do you want to rate yourself?
I do omit.
It's fine.
You don't want to rate yourself?
No.
If I did, I would be a 10, but I just don't really like the whole concept.
Why not?
Because literally, it's so subjective.
It boils down what we, so here's a great example.
When I was in seventh grade, we found a list of the boys one through ten where we were all rated.
That has stuck with me my whole life.
So like I don't really like the feeling.
It gives me the literal ick feeling from when I was sad and alone when I was 12.
So sorry, no.
Would you like to rate yourself?
I'm a fucking 12.
But if I had to pick, if I had to pick on this atrocious scale, I'd be a 10.
An eight on a bad day.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Would you like to rate yourself?
Absolutely not.
I think it's an objectifying question, and I refuse to answer that.
I think it's silly.
I would never ask a man that.
And I would also never put a man on that scale.
That's true.
Yeah, absolutely.
You guys do it subconsciously, though.
No, absolutely.
Totally not.
I do.
Yeah, like, what are we talking about?
No, no, no, no.
The way you go after a guy is based off his attractiveness, right?
Attractiveness doesn't just mean that you're not.
The smartest man in the world, super chatted.
$49.99.
I don't think someone who's had 300 different people inside their body in 21 years should be criticizing another person's personal hygiene.
My first impressions last read on them was...
God, people are not paying attention.
What is no?
Why are we insulting personal hygiene?
Hold on, pull it up.
I don't know.
The smartest man in the world is not very smart.
Ooh.
You're not ooh, you're ooh.
Uh.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Ooh.
My first impression read on them was not a bunch of Schopenhauer scholars.
Okay.
What?
LOL.
Okay.
Wait, wait, but can I ask?
Why are you criticizing another person's personal hygiene?
What?
What was that?
Time has armed hair, but we're not talking about it.
For someone that's criticizing your intelligence, it's very hilarious that he's not on topic at all.
So like, all right.
Get it, buddy.
So you guys said you're not comfortable rating yourselves because you don't want to do a self-assessment, right?
This is another thing.
Well, I don't think it's insulting, and I'll tell you why in a sec, but would you guys be, if I were to reframe the question as, what do you think if you lined up 100 men, what do you think they would rate your physical appearance?
That would be even worse.
That's like literally significantly worse.
So subjective.
So demeaning.
How do you feel?
I want to ask you, I'm going to get into the rating thing here in just a little bit.
Do any of you, we'll start with you again.
Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
Yes, I have before, actually.
My first boyfriend was.
Stop the cap.
Okay, go ahead.
Would you date a guy?
Do any of you.
Hold on.
Do any of you have a height preference for men?
Oh, yes.
I mean, like.
Do you have a height preference for men?
Yes, I do.
So you would prefer to date a man who's tall.
How tall?
I go for usually 5'9 and up.
And how tall are you?
I'm 5'6.
I like to have like a couple inches.
But not to say that I have not dated people who are shorter than me.
But you have a preference for a guy who's tall.
What about you?
I do have a height preference.
How tall are you and what's your preference?
I'm 5'8, and as long as they're like 5'6 and up, I'm cool with that.
So shorter than you and up?
Yeah, well, here's the thing, right?
I don't think I could see myself dating somebody who's not five foot, right?
If we're talking about that spectrum.
Let me reframe it.
Your future long-term life partner husband.
What is his height?
Who knows?
Well, are we all assuming that everyone is like heteronormative here?
Because I think that queerness adds like a huge aspect to act.
Absolutely.
Okay, because regardless of their gender, More range, you know?
Okay, we'll keep it moving.
Do you have a height preference?
Is that funny?
Why is that funny?
It's funny because I don't even know what heteronormative means.
Well, like this.
Woof, a dating coach that doesn't understand what heteronormative means.
Well, I coach men who like Google it.
Well, so that's heteronormative.
That's what heteronormative means.
Okay, so heteronormative means.
So, like, you're heterosexual, right?
And so, you are a man who is generally attracted to a woman.
And the general narrative when we're talking about dating and corn and whatever else is heteronormative, which means that the norm is to talk about a man who loves a woman.
That is what it means.
And so, she's just simply trying to add that adds an aspect.
Yes, there is a different aspect that is added when it's people of the same genders dating or if they identify differently.
Yeah.
But I'm saying that regardless of gender, five, like, you know, at least like five.
Yep, you already answered that.
Go ahead.
I'm five, one and a half.
So, literally, almost everyone is taller than me.
Okay.
You have a height preference.
I mean, would you date a guy who's 4'11?
That's exceedingly rare.
You have to find him.
Let's assume that there are men.
Let's assume, well, there are men that short.
I'm sure there's men that short.
I know.
Would you date a guy who's 4'11?
If I liked him, yeah.
Would you be more attracted to a guy who's six feet?
I mean, maybe.
It depends.
Honestly, I'm like more attracted to personality than looks.
All things being equal, would you prefer a guy to be taller?
Not necessarily, no.
So, if given an option between two people, everything the same, one guy.
That's not possible.
Are they twins?
Just entertain the hypothetical.
One guy's 5'2, the other guy's 5'9.
Which one would you prefer?
It depends on how well done.
Okay, moving on.
Go ahead.
I do have a height preference.
I'm 5'6, and I prefer to date men who are over 6 feet.
I have dated a short guy, and it was just not for me.
I couldn't wear platforms.
Okay, I appreciate that answer.
Okay, go ahead.
I am 5'8.
Full disclosure, I wish I was 6'5.
I love that for me.
My partner is 5'5, and every day I wish he was smaller so I could carry him like a baby.
I love this mommy energy.
Mommy baby energy.
The cloudy thing.
Khalissy Power.
Do you guys have a height preference?
Yeah.
Yeah, if her height doesn't start with four, she ain't the one.
Oh, how about her shorties?
I'm 6'1.
Do you want to be a little bit more?
Oh my god.
We have the same mindset, and I love that.
Jokes aside, I don't care about height, really.
I'll date a woman who's taller than me, 6'5, don't care.
I'll date a girl who's who's legally a dwarf.
So why were you pushing me?
But I do have a preference for short.
I have a preference for short, petite women, but ultimately don't care if she's attractive, doesn't really matter.
That's exactly how we feel.
That's exactly what we're saying.
Okay, the heak and quantitative.
I want to hear Rat's preference.
Do you have a height preference?
Oh, yeah.
You're 6'5, right?
6'4 ⁇ .
6'4.
Okay.
I can't date women who are shorter than like 5'3.
So.
You're missing out, dude.
No, that's all right.
I get it.
I had an ex who was 5'2, and it was just like.
I understand.
It's like you're talking like this to her.
Honestly, though, height also does affect intercourse.
That's true.
That is very true.
So I get that.
Yeah, I get that.
Brian's like, don't talk to me about it.
But you know what?
They sell special pillows for that, for the height difference.
Thank you.
I'll just let you know right now.
They sell pills for it.
Oh, I can give you links.
So, the reason I asked about height is because we were talking about this rating system.
You guys objected to rating someone on the 1 to 10 scale.
Now, most of you happen to be outliers in this regard, whether you're being totally forthcoming in terms of your height preferences, I don't know.
I'll take your guys' word for it.
With that said, with the exception of you, you guys are outliers.
The majority of women have a preference for taller men.
Women will judge men based off of their height.
That is a numerical measurement, quite literally a numerical measurement.
I've heard this.
Yeah, so you guys object to this rating scale because it's somehow reducing women.
I don't really think it is, because you can rate men on a one to ten scale too to some sort of a numerical value, reducing women to a numerical value.
But we all make judgment calls about someone's physical appearance.
It could be their body, it could be their face, it could be the symmetry, it could be various characteristics.
And generally speaking, if you lined up 100 men, most of them can come to a reasonable assessment and consensus about a woman's physical appearance, and they can assign the numerical number, as can women assign a numerical number about a man's physical appearance.
I'm sure we've heard of this game on TikTok.
He's a 10, but he blah, blah, blah.
He wears flip-flops, some bullshit like that.
Oh, he's a six, whatever.
So we use these terms, these rating terms, right?
So, oh, there's something about, okay, well, I missed that part.
But so you guys object to this rating thing, but I think it's you guys are outliers about the height thing, whatever.
But most women, most women have a height preference for men, whereas most men don't give a fuck about women's height, generally speaking.
Personal preference.
But couldn't we say that men have a preference on weight?
I feel like weight is a good thing.
As do women.
Yes, men do.
The reality, though, is that the average man, like, doesn't have a preference on weight.
Like, I've seen dudes who are like.
They'll.
I think it really just comes down back to personal preference, guys, and this idea of generalization.
I think that's really what I'm saying.
So I'm talking about, I'm a dating coach.
I deal with guys all around the world.
Yes.
So like guys, when it comes to weight, there will be a guy who's a seven or eight and he'll be dealing with a girl who's like five, three, two hundred and ten pounds.
Okay.
And what do you mean, and what do you think about the sentence?
But okay, just really quick, you're talking about generalities that we're generalizing, and this is somehow wrong.
Can I ask you a question?
Yes.
How many fingers does a human have?
10.
How many toes does a human have?
Generally.
Yeah, 10.
Well, that's what I was getting to.
There are some humans that are born with an extra digit.
Some humans have- Have like six.
Oh, actually.
Yes, some humans have 11 fingers.
However, it is not wrong to say that humans have 10 fingers because we're speaking in generalities here.
But, see, we're talking about behaviors.
You're talking about something objective.
You just mentioned something.
Sorry, guys.
I didn't mean to put the hand up.
But you just mentioned something that is objective, right?
And a human born with an extra digit objectively has 11 digits.
Yeah, their genetic code is that way.
Exactly.
A rating system is completely subjective.
Looking at somebody and saying you're a four.
You're an eight.
No, no, no.
It is absolutely genetic that tells that person that they're a four.
I would like to say that.
There's nothing objective about that.
Beauty and aesthetics, there's something to, I mean, there's people studying this.
Christian Pagone's super chat at $49.99.
Can the rating question start out with a qualifying point system?
I believe this may result in a more honest answer and also result in some needed reflection.
What would be a qualifying point system for you, Christian?
What is a needed reflection?
That's too complicated to get over at the moment.
Let's shut down the podcast.
We're coming up with rules.
No, go ahead.
Sorry.
Yeah, just a little bit more.
What I would like to add to the conversation is that a person is so much more than how they look.
Right?
A person is so much more than how they look.
The heart matters.
The brain matters.
You know, the feelings matter.
The ideology matters.
A human is so much more complex than just a one to ten person.
Tell that to the 90% of women who would prefer to date men taller than them.
And I would tell them to be more open-minded.
I honestly would.
But here, I actually think, I think, see.
I cannot.
I cannot do it.
Well, I appreciate your argument.
And that's okay.
But that's how most women think.
Okay, but if you keep on, if, okay, if you meet me outside on the street and you think automatically that I think like the general woman, then are you really giving yourself a chance?
That's true.
Wait, could you repeat?
I will repeat that.
Okay.
So if you meet a woman and you automatically assume that she thinks like the generalized woman, aren't you already gatekeeping your ability to connect with her?
Well, I'm 6'1, so I'm not really.
Okay, okay, but short kings out there.
I want you to think about all the outliers of you, as you've mentioned, the outliers of women here.
There is objectively one person with traditional values as opposed to what the five of us here, right?
Dr. Geeky.
Yeah, I'm kiki.
So all I'm saying is that I feel like if you keep on assuming that a woman thinks like the general woman, then you're limiting your capability to create a connection.
Most women.
See, you're doing it again.
No, But it's not wrong.
Just for the sake of the conversation.
No, but it's not even for the sake of conversation.
Most women want to date men who are taller than them.
Okay.
Most women are, and the taller a guy gets up until a certain point, then they start thinking, oh, it's going to be awkward.
But most women, do they want a guy who's taller than them?
Yes.
Oh, he's six feet?
Great.
He's 6'1, even better.
He's 6'2, even better.
He's 6'3, even better.
Well, I would like to dial it back a bit, and this connects to exactly what you're saying.
But a moment ago, somebody, one of you, said that the rating, the rating system, 0 to 10, whatever, was an objective system.
It is.
Objective based on gender roles and gender norms.
Objective based on what is societally beautiful in our society.
I think evolution is based off the evolution of things.
Which is subjective things too.
Which is subjective.
Well, I mean, because in China, they're completely different.
The beauty standard is completely different.
What is considered objectively beautiful in China, in India, in Japan, is objectively different from China?
Facial.
Okay.
We're in America.
And so we have specific gender norms and beauty standards that we adhere to.
So we're talking about that.
That you claim that your system is based on, but those beauty standards are subjective.
Well, look, I'm team small titty, but all around the world, dudes like big tits.
I don't care if you're in Bangladesh or you're in Latin America.
I don't know.
I don't care where you're at.
Guys like big titties.
I'm down with small titties.
I like small titties.
Okay, but see, but see, you are quite literally proving my point about the generalization, right?
You said that your team, small chest, and that's great.
Big titties are great too.
Yeah, but we do.
We love all titties.
I'm going to try to explain this in a first-person situation, right?
I am chubby.
I am tall.
I would say I have like a moderate chest, right?
Thinking about all these, thinking about all of these like attributes, right?
If I meet a man and I'm like, oh man, you know, he's not gonna like me because I have a tummy, then I'm limiting my own ability to potentially create a relationship with him.
I won't ever know until I try.
And I think the fear of thinking more about the individualism aspect of it, I think the fear is just comes from rejection.
And I think that's really what it is.
Well, and by saying that like small titties are undesirable, I can contradict that immediately.
Well, I didn't say that.
I didn't say that.
That is this rejection.
I didn't say that they're the less popular and less valuable.
Men clarify what?
I would say men would prefer some bit more in the chest area.
Generally speaking.
That is absolutely your preference.
Well, it's not my preference because small titties are great too.
He's saying generally.
I would say generally, I'm speaking on behalf of other men.
Yeah, I'd say, do they prefer, you know?
You know, actually, I have kind of a toxic take on this.
Oh, no.
I also do want to hear Rax.
Rax wants to say something.
Let me just give this a real take on this.
So I actually, I almost might have a preference for smaller breasts, maybe a little bit.
I don't know.
But here's, oh, God.
Okay, I'm going to get canceled, but whatever.
Okay.
So a woman with big tits, she can be hot.
She can be sexy.
Oh, God, I'm going to get canceled.
She can't be beautiful.
Why?
What about Marilyn Waywell?
Hold on.
A woman, however, with small tits, small breasts, she can be beautiful.
If you look at Greek statues, aesthetically speaking, smaller breasts on the Greek statues, there's something as like big, just like, you know, just giant can crusher of tits.
Like, you can be hot, you can be attractive, you can be sexy.
So are you saying big titties?
Yeah, that's exactly what you're saying.
But can you be-sexualize big titties?
That's what you're saying?
No, big boobs are sexual.
Brian, I think that that's just your personal position.
They're not there to feed babies.
They're for your pleasure.
Well, there's a whole bunch of reasons.
Are you asking?
Are you saying that men, yo, Crispy Kim, thank you, man?
Are you saying that men are not attracted, don't find large breasts attractive on the side?
That's not what I'm saying.
And it's also interesting that you bring up the Greek statue comparison when again, that was a societal beauty standard for the time.
We have since changed multiple times.
And while our aesthetics today, architectural, getting really fucking architecture is dog shit.
Look at what the fucking Greeks and shit were doing.
The Romans.
They were just people that created a beauty standard and created statues to be in that likeness.
They had a better aesthetic than we could say.
Okay, that's your opinion.
But I could say in the 90s, when skinny was beautiful, the tummies that Greek statues had was completely undesirable.
So you bring it up almost like an objective fact that the Greeks knew.
And yet we have seen societal beauty standards change over time.
Well, I'll tell you, I mean, the 90s were a blur because of the cocaine, the cocaine.
But you can't take away from that.
You can't deny that they exist.
You know, the 80s.
We're not going to talk about the 90s.
Let's talk about Tweety.
Tweety was the model.
I love that you're trying to divert.
I love that.
It was the fibro.
Rax has something to say that I would really like to hear it.
Oh, yeah, it was what you were talking about about fear, right?
Yes, a fear of rejection.
I don't think guys fear re-wait.
There was something you said before that about people putting people into like a box or something like that.
So what I said is I said that I think when you function as a person and you think that other people function under the general ideology, you're already hurting yourself from trying to create a connection because you might fear rejection because you think that they might think like everybody else.
And that's what I was trying to say.
It's all about, like, I keep going back to this.
It's like, what I teach is like having a radar.
So like I said, I've dealt with like a very diverse group of girls.
Yes.
So it's like, you guys are all diverse.
Like you guys are not all the same, right?
So I don't have a fear of approaching you because I know that even though you say that you want shorter guys or something like that, you're still going to respond to strength.
You're still going to respond to a guy that's taller than you, right?
I'm going to respond to both.
Exactly.
So that's what I'm saying.
So why would I tell a guy to limit his strength when I know that more women are going to want strength?
No, no, no, no.
Okay.
I think, I think you misunderstood what I'm saying.
I'm saying that, okay, for instance, right?
You say that you teach men to have a radar for these things, right?
A hodar, if you will.
Yeah, whatever you want to call it, right?
A radar.
He's got a great ho-dar.
Specific.
He's got one of the best hodars in the business.
Her radars for a specific attribute, right?
So if you look at a girl that has a shoulder tattoo and you're immediately like, oh man, she's got X bodies, blah, blah, blah.
I'm not even going to try.
What if you took the time to talk to her?
I didn't know her.
Well, no, no, but listen, listen.
It sounds like when you're coaching these guys, you're telling them and you're teaching them to limit their ability to connect based off of this radar.
Let me put it like this, right?
A coach teaches their players how to have the most success.
Yes.
Right?
So if I'm a basketball coach, I'm going to teach them the strategy that's going to win out most of the time.
You're not going to win every game, but I'm trying to get them the highest success rate.
So if I know that most defenses, defenses being women.
Highest success rate for sex or relationships.
Whatever you want to call it.
That's a metaphor is a conquest.
It's women are something to be won.
You're putting words in my mouth.
You just said women are something to be won, like in a basketball game.
No, no, no, no.
Bro, I said I'm teaching my players in the game how to win a majority of the time.
So I think by win, he just means having more successful conversations or things that may mean because like he said, like most guys are virgins.
So they're not even at the point where they're at my point.
They're trying to get from zero to one.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying?
So if I can coach guys to get from zero to one by looking for the generalities and knowing how to approach them.
See, hold on, hold on.
Finish, finish.
And even looking at the exceptions and knowing that a lot of shit is random, then they're going to have more success than the guys who are just going into it looking for the exceptions because they listen to women like you guys.
See, and then this is where I think the difference of ideology between us comes in, right?
Because if I were, if I was coaching women or men to have more success in the dating realm, I would focus more on them.
I would focus on their confidence.
I would focus about how they feel.
That's what I focus on.
But here's the thing.
I would never tell them to focus on generalized qualities of the type of people that they're trying to go after.
But I just asked you a question.
I said, do you like strength?
I don't know what that means to you.
What does that mean?
In reality, right?
When you see a guy and he approaches you on some stuttering, like, hey, I really want your number and like, can I take you out sometime?
Or a guy who just.
That's confidence, not strength.
No, no, no, no.
Bro.
I'm just going to let him finish.
Strength is, it's your intuition feels like, okay, this guy is a dominant guy, right?
It's subconscious.
You're not going to say like, oh, this guy's a dominant.
That's the thing.
I deal with a lot of, okay, in the anime community, right?
I deal with a lot of guys who don't really know how to socialize, who don't really know how to talk to women, how to talk to people.
I'm always going to give them a chance.
Maybe it might not pan out.
And I can see that you're like, oh, what the fuck about that?
Because I've seen so much.
I just told you the story of there was a girl who the guy she was talking to is rich, right?
Okay.
But she's not fucking him.
She's fucking the guy who is dominant.
You know what I'm saying?
He just goes after women.
It's a preference, though.
And that comes back to personality.
It's not just preference.
I'm saying, like, this is LA where it's like, this shit happens on a mascot.
It's just preference.
That's a pretty good thing.
It's clear you've never been to a BDSM club.
Okay, okay.
There are a lot of people.
That's not an outlier.
That's not an outlier.
That's what I'm saying.
That's the fact that the archetype of the strong man who wants to be soft embedded.
She sees the rich guy.
She sees the rich guy as boyfriend material.
She said it herself.
So she's making him wait rather than the guy who is direct, who's going to go after what he wants.
She's going to sleep with him right away.
So why would the guy who's rich, if he was up on game, wait that long when he can be like the guy who sleeps with her right away?
Well, also, it sounds like in that specific scenario, that is yet again another scenario of a woman manipulating a man.
Yeah, that sounds awful.
That's unethical.
You guys absolutely don't know.
You guys sit here and say it sounds awful, but you guys are not talking to the other woman who do this with you.
Absolutely we are.
So why don't you guys ask.
We do and we tell them it's not listening.
And if they're listening to this podcast, this is for you too.
It's not just the podcast.
I'm saying like feminism pushes equality, right?
Yes.
Is there any equality in the dating market?
I, currently, there's no equality in the world.
The goal is to seek that right now.
I mean, like, think about it, right?
Despite the current existence of it, there is no equality in the world.
Exactly.
There is no equality.
There is no equality in the world.
Feminism is trying to reach the equality of that.
We're in LA.
We are in Santa Barbara, actually.
In the Western world, there's equality between men and women.
There's equality.
First of all, it's interesting that you say that, but it's a contradiction.
You can say that men and women aren't equal.
Like 10 minutes ago, they're different.
So we're different.
Yeah.
So then, so here.
That doesn't mean equal.
You even said yourself financially we're not equal in what we contribute.
We're not equal in what we contribute domestically.
We're not equal in how we approach relationships.
We're not equal.
We're not equal in sex.
How can you say that we're equal?
We're equal in the sense of, okay, when people use the term equality, for example, a man has certain parts down there and a woman has certain parts down there.
That's an inequality, yes.
So in certain regards, we are not equal, but oftentimes, most of the time when people are talking about equality, we're talking about something very specific there.
So what are you talking about?
We're talking about rights and privileges.
Okay.
As we just have to say, they're paid 72 cents to the dollar.
Well, the wage gap's been debunked.
But we don't even have to go into that.
We don't have to go into that.
Okay.
But let's just talk about equality in a dating market.
I'm saying, like, all of you girls, if you guys wanted to go out to the club, you guys are getting in for free, right?
No.
Are you kidding?
I'm on a busy day.
I literally just had to pay a co-pay or whatever.
Copay?
And entered the last weekend.
Can we suspend our disbelief for the sake of the argument?
I got a question for Axe.
So this is going to bring me back to the question I actually wanted to ask you earlier.
Okay, make it snappy.
In regard to like the dating field and how you asking if it's equal.
In my experience with the different dating apps, you know, Bumble, Hinge, Tinder, I find that there's a different energy amongst, you know, like Tinders.
People typically go to that more for hookups.
Hinge, I feel it's more of a serious thing and Bumble is kind of in the in-between.
Have you ever seen that?
All of them are for hookups.
Okay.
Well, yeah, ultimately, yeah.
But I feel like there's definitely like a concentrated energy when it comes to like Tinder.
People are like, oh, I'm going to use that for, like, you know, like, look, what I tell guys is get off of Tinder, get off of bumbles, just go on hinge.
Like, if you maximize your profile on hinge, like, you don't need the other options.
Hinge is probably a good thing.
Hinge is good.
Hinge is a good thing.
You know what?
Hinge is a good one.
I actually think that men should try to meet women in person more.
I'm going to be honest.
Well, no.
I don't think dating apps are healthy.
I don't think they benefit from the people.
I can agree with that.
And I think that if you're seeking a personal connection, it should always be in person.
Yeah.
No, I feel that.
Well, that's kind of like going back to when I was on the apps and having personal connections.
Personal connections.
Personal connections, like having dates and going out to dinner and enjoying the beach.
Oh, that's so fun.
You know, I mean, like, we can teach me all you want, right?
But like, realistically, I was there for human connection.
That's that was really what I was there for.
Yeah, you connected their bodies.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
So you had size ball at least 30 more people.
But anyway, so what I was trying to make a nice, a nice, fun, easy point, though.
So what I was trying to say is I think it's really interesting the difference between personal interaction and keeping it on the apps because people will sit and chat on apps forever.
But like, are you actually like really your own real person?
Or are you just like fronting and never going to go anywhere?
That's an L if you're spending a ton of time.
I have talked to so many men.
So many men who have like, yeah, I've just, I've never gotten off the chat.
And I'm like, but why?
Maybe they're not making the move.
Well, you know what?
That's true because I did make it.
It's like, please call me.
This is my number here.
We're going to put it on the screen.
Honestly, like, honestly, like, no more than three messages, and you should be pushing.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, why are you keeping it on the DMs?
Sorry, I guess.
Yeah, if you're into it, you're into it.
If you're into it, then go meet the person.
Yeah, and I mean, it is hard to read somebody.
Oh, you got a little fit check going.
You got a fit check.
Okay.
We did a little spam.
Can we get a 360?
Yes, Woo!
Halong!
Okay.
All right, let's get these super chats.
Let's get the soup chats, guys.
Okay.
Yo, Derek.
I think, did we do this one?
Yo, we got Dave on Jackson.
I appreciate that was a TTS.
Thank you, man.
Zentience, dude, thank you, Zentience and Dave on Jackson for dropping all the soup chats in IMM.
Really appreciate it, guys.
We have Dave on with the, that was another TTS.
One of the TTSs might have not gone through.
I'm not sure.
Zentience, again, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
We have Frankie Kay, $20 Soup Chat.
Value is innate in women.
They are born with it.
To attract the best mate, all they have to do is preserve it.
Don't get too fat.
Don't sleep around.
Y'all have devalued the hell out of yourselves.
Men value fidelity and innocence.
Are you a virgin, Frankie?
Whoa.
No, they just like rose and crushed when you turned 18.
Why?
What happened to you?
Oh, you the body shaming and shit.
Oh, just closer to the bottom.
But that's what I'm saying.
Like, why is he body shaming people?
Like, don't get too fat.
That's not body shaming.
That's just a lot of fun.
I would say that's kind of body shaming.
Because he's saying that we're not going to be a little bit more.
Again, yeah, personal preference.
That's what it comes down to.
Wait, I have a question for you, Brian.
You said that's not body shaming.
He's saying don't get too fat.
What do you mean by that's not body shaming?
And then that's like you just said that.
Okay, if he were to have called me a fat whore, that would be body shaming.
But saying don't get fat.
But as a way to attract the best mate, that's saying that you cannot have weight on your body to attract the best.
How dare you have weight?
You know what I mean?
That's the reality.
But isn't that come down to the subjective societal beauty standard?
And it's unfortunate.
We bring up a good point.
Society tends to be fat phobic.
That's true.
You are correct, Brian.
Society's fat phobic.
Well, it's not fat phobia.
Hold on, let me talk.
It's not fat phobia, and it's not even a social construct.
Being overweight on its face is unhealthy.
There are some guys who are into that.
Well, we're not talking about that.
Oh, those are the things that we're talking about.
We were talking about that, and you changed the subject.
No, but yes, okay, there are men that are attracted to it.
It comes down to personal pressure.
There are hubby chasers.
There's men who are like thick women, whatever you want to call it.
However, if you are too fat or overweight or obese, you are necessarily unhealthy.
But not necessarily, especially if you.
Depending on how you define fat.
And see, that's subjective to the person.
Let's try to have a physical.
And there was a minute when I struggled with eating disorders and I was under 100 pounds.
I was dramatically underweight.
And at the time, that was the expected societal beauty standard.
And now people would consider me fat.
So yeah, if someone called me a fat whore, for example, that is absolutely body shaming.
Okay, but let's maybe see for you.
Or Neko, for instance, is perfectly healthy.
She's been to her physicals.
Oh, you're incredibly healthy.
If I told, okay, I will give some background.
I've been an athlete my entire life.
My number weight is something that I have struggled with a lot.
And when I went on the Fresh and Fit podcast, I did read a lot of comments and they were all calling me a whale.
I am, no, I'm serious.
I get called a whale.
I get called Shamu.
Like, I get called so many things because men.
Like, men do think that I'm fat.
And guess what?
You know what?
I am proud to say I'm over 200 pounds.
I don't care.
I'm over 200 pounds.
I feel beautiful.
I feel sexy.
And my partner loves me the way I am because the weight number does not define the way.
Like you can, everyone carries weight differently on their body.
You know what I mean?
And yeah.
Ultimately, what is too fat for you is going to be a personal preference, which is circling back to the point that generalizing things can hurt you.
Next question.
But let's talk about obese.
I mean, so you don't think obesity is unhealthy?
That's not what we're saying.
That's not the same thing.
I think it's the case.
I think that's body shaming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And fat phobia.
And to a degree, you told me that body shaming doesn't exist.
While you're putting words in my mouth, I never said that.
Repeat what you, I mean, I wish we could play it back, but what do you think I said?
You think I said body shaming doesn't exist?
No, no, no.
You said that if someone were to call you a fat whale, that would be a bit of a test.
Get it correct.
Get it right.
If someone were to call you a fat whore, that would be body shaming.
But if someone were to say that to someone who was 200 pounds, sorry, excuse me.
200 pounds.
That's not what I said.
Okay.
He was saying that don't get too fat is not a considerable body shaming.
Literally what he said, advising someone to not get too fat is not body shaming.
And by the way, the body shaming movement originally was about things that were out of your control, not about weight, which is in your control.
Body shaming.
I don't have hyperthyroidism.
I do.
But you guys body shaming guys who are short all the time.
We never said that we had that.
Hold on, bro.
Hold on, hold on.
You just brought up hypothyroidism.
Hyper.
Hypo.
Hyper.
No, hyper.
Hypo.
No, hypo would be you have difficulty losing weight.
I have hypothyroidism.
I take.
Are you medicated?
I do.
I take it.
That's why you don't struggle.
That's why you don't have any ton of people that are medicated.
Even with, well, it directly affects.
No, no, no.
Hold on.
Let me finish.
First off, thyroid medication is super cheap.
It's very cheap.
Yeah, can you guys stop interrupting, please?
Okay.
So you brought up hypothyroidism.
So one, it's treatable.
Totally.
Okay.
But So if you take medication, even with medication though, I struggle with my weight a little bit.
So, however, if I adhere to a strict, healthy diet, I can lose weight.
Sure.
And right now, I'm actually, I'm on a diet.
I ate too much over the holidays.
I gained some weight.
I was eating like shit.
I've been eating well for the past month.
I'm like down already like seven pounds or some shit because I was eating a lot of carbs.
Let me tell you that.
So weight is something that's 100% in your control.
You wanted to bring up hypothyroidism as an example.
Most people who are overweight do not have hypothyroidism or some sort of other.
By the way, aside from just hypothyroidism, I have a fracture in L5S1.
I literally have a broken back.
That hurts.
Yeah, so if I want to lose weight, it's hard for me to do it through exercise.
So I need to do it primarily through diet.
Totally.
So my own experience, it's not about exercise.
It comes down to diet.
As someone who's literally been stuck, I haven't shared this much before.
I was stuck in bed for like nine months with a broken back.
Bad times.
Bad times.
I've gotten better.
But I'm basically crazy.
But what I'm trying to say is I'm like, look, I wasn't obese to begin with, but I have to rely strictly on diet to lose weight, basically.
Totally.
So weight is 100% something that's in your control, bringing it back to body shaming.
Body shaming originally was about people who had scars and things that they couldn't control, like a deformity.
That's what body positivity was originally about.
It wasn't about weight.
Okay.
Did we have more of those super things to go through?
I feel like we've just talked this to death about weight.
Well, I'm going to say.
This is my podcast.
I'm going to.
I mean, for sure.
Okay.
Just, you're not the host.
I'm going to talk about it.
I mean, I was going to move on to the stuff, but you don't need to moderate here.
I'm not moderating.
I was just really getting uncomfortable with the topic.
Uncomfortable with the topic?
He was talking about his host.
Oh, I know.
I know.
I would just like to move on if that's okay.
Bro.
Well, I think so.
I don't know if anyone else wanted to add, but I was actually about to move on.
Anyways, so we have Dr. B 84.
Most women would not sleep with most men, but most men would sleep with most women.
I think I said this somewhat before.
You disagree?
No.
I've already talked about this.
Yeah, I think this is.
But I just want to go back to this.
Why is it so upsetting for you guys to hear me say that weight is something that you can control?
It's not that that particularly is upsetting.
It's that based on the connotations of what you're saying, I hear that people are not deserving of necessarily kindness or respect, even if they're on their journey.
And it's incredible that you went through your own journey and like you struggle with weight.
Oh my God, I really respect that.
That's really difficult, genuinely.
But I think that regardless of that, people should not be shamed for where meat loot.
We should be able to meet people where they're at with respect and allow them to have that journey without calling them a whale or a fat whore.
Okay, I agree with you.
I don't think you should be outwardly insulting or disrespectful to you.
The issue I have with the component of the body positivity movement that relates to weight is suggesting that obesity is healthy.
Now, that I have to counter because it is not healthy to be overweight or to be obese.
Should you be insulted for it?
Absolutely not.
You should be treated with respect, even if you're overweight.
Me personally, my personal take just for me, if someone was like, one of my male friends was like, yo, Brian, you're a fat piece of shit.
Get hit the gym.
I'd be like, that's motivating for me.
However, me personally, I would never insult someone who is overweight, but no, it's okay.
I think I can end on a commonality there.
Okay, so I don't think you should make fun of people or be insulting or disrespectful.
However, I do not buy into this feel-good thing of if you're healthy at any size, if you're obese, it's okay.
Okay.
No, it's unhealthy.
I just don't want to deny the existence of body shaming.
And I feel like to a degree, that's what you were doing.
Anyway, but truly, I feel like we've reached a commonality.
We can cut this.
Yeah, we're moving on.
All right, so we have Zenti and this came in as a TTS.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
The smartest man in the world, $20 super chat.
Thank you, man.
Economist Thomas Sowell.
Sowell?
I forgot how to pronounce his name.
But very smart guy.
Debunked the wage gap in the 70s.
The net economic activity gap is real, though.
The average U.S. woman costs U.S. taxpayers, men, $120K more than they put into the economy over their lifetimes.
Hashtag pay up.
We kind of talked about that.
Thank you, man.
Lewis Burrito, $20 Super Chat.
By the way, sorry, we're getting to these after a while here, but women make the beta's weight to fake purity and ensure commitment through deceit.
This type of content is saving countless men's lives.
Andrew Tate is amazing, Free Top G.
Yeah, it's like, it's kind of just, like, if she had her, you know, she had her fun in college, 30, 40, 50 bodies, and then, like, the provider guy comes along, and then, oh, let's make him wait.
It's just kind of like, it's what?
It's just very, it's a very cishet perspective.
Sorry.
It's a very cishet perspective, I guess.
Just like the normative.
You just like, you know, like cisgender would just be your gender is what you were born as, and then hut is heterosexuality.
So it is the social normative culture that is regarded around women and men in relationships.
That's basically that.
Well, the vast majority of people are heterosexual.
So, I mean, we are talking in generalities.
We can talk about non-we can talk about the nuances of non-binary dwarf dating, but I mean, like, we can't.
That's fine.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, one super chat at $49 and 99 cents.
Let's agree.
The body count is easier to controlling weight.
I could agree on that.
You're right.
We are choosing to sleep with the people we sleep with.
So that's a very reasonable deduction.
I think we can all agree on that one.
Body count.
And body count and weight is easier to control than height.
In fact, you can't even control your height.
You can get leg implants.
You can't control it.
That's ridiculous.
I know it's not.
That's how dangerous.
I don't think I'd want anybody to laugh at that.
It's dangerous.
It's dangerous.
Oh my God.
I'm not belly.
It's dangerous.
It's painful.
And it costs a lot of money.
Don't do that.
That's absurd.
Don't do that.
It's like penile enlargement.
Like, please don't do that.
Don't do that.
Guys, any short guys in the West, just get your money up.
Where's the head?
Stop.
Can you guys stop interrupting?
Stop.
Guys, if you're in the West and you're short, just get your money up, get your passport, go to Latin America, go to Asia.
Just move.
Facts.
Go to where you are wanted and respected.
Okay.
She's laughing, but.
No, I think it's actually a really funny sentiment because you're right.
Like, if a height is smaller in a different area, go to where you're respected.
I think that's, I'm not laughing at you.
I think that's actually really funny.
No, yeah.
Go to where people value you.
I think it's like, yeah, go to where someone will value you.
Okay, absolutely.
We got that one.
Stim Proyd, thank you for the $20 super chat.
By the way, sorry, guys, that were getting to these.
These probably came in like hour plus ago, but had quite a good conversational flow there.
Please ask them, how would your father react if you told him your actual body count?
Quick five, 10 second answer.
Go ahead.
He'd probably dab me up.
Okay.
I don't really want to know.
Sorry, dad.
He's watching.
Okay.
Yeah, wouldn't you have that conversation with him?
He goes to church.
Your dad goes to church?
Yeah.
Okay.
I honestly don't know.
Okay.
I also don't know.
I feel like my dad could go either way.
He'd either be like, maybe not about it or also be like, you know what, your choice.
Sure.
Yeah.
I feel the end theme there would be like, it's your body, your choice.
Yo, hey, we got modern life dating, $21.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
I'm going to smoke these hoes.
Rax, there's a competition, modern life dating.
Yeah, so he will be on the show on Sunday and Tuesday.
We got him on the show.
So, yeah, be on the lookout for that.
That'll be fun.
All right.
Actually, you and him would have a really good back and forth.
Oh, God.
But anyways, Gus, $20.
Feminism Society has lied to women and have been turned into duh masculine independent men.
Day wanted date slash marry.
Generalities equals most, not all.
The world runs in generalities.
These are exceptions, but they are not the rule.
Or doesn't it go the exception does not make the rule?
I agree with that and half of that.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's, I agree pretty much.
I think, okay, let's keep it moving.
Yo, Durpington, this came in as a TTS.
Thank you so much for the support, man.
Appreciate it.
Zentience.
Did this one?
This came in as a cheap product as many customers.
Okay.
Yo, Zentience, dude, thank you for all the support tonight, man.
Oh, shit.
Durpington, women are on one side of the line.
Yeah, we talked about this.
Did this one come in?
We did this one.
I think coming in as doubles.
Okay, Alex Alvarez, $20 Soup Chat.
If this were soccer, men are strikers and women are goalkeepers.
A star striker makes many goals and a star goalkeeper doesn't allow any goals.
Okay, we got some more analogies, I guess.
A woman's value is directly tied to her body count.
Alex, I want to clarify one thing.
I disagree with you slightly.
A woman's value in the dating marketplace and in the sexual marketplace, her body count is related.
Her value as a human is, I mean, whatever.
But yeah.
They're giving me looks, but okay.
As much as I want to keep talking about bananas, I think I'm short on time.
Are you guys able to stay for another 10-15?
Okay.
I can do that.
Can you guys push maybe even another 30?
That'll be up.
That'll mostly be up to Val just because you're not going to be able to do it.
Val can come through.
Come through.
Come through.
Tell you what, Val.
If you can do 30, I will give you a little bit of a double.
Let's do a little broad negotiation.
A little negotiation.
And I'll make it worth it.
Hold on.
What are you going to do for me, Brian?
What is this?
Actually, that maybe not that one.
Let's see.
What about the fish?
A female condom.
I love that.
I will gift it to you.
I'm all good.
I'm all good.
Expired Plan B.
So useful.
What is that brand?
I've never seen that before.
Option two.
That is the wish version of Plan B.
Oh, God.
Wish.com.
Option two.
Sponsored by Expired Option 2.
As much as I love your humor, I'll have to respectfully decline.
You don't want a dental damn?
Should we do?
Can we do 22 minutes?
How about that brings us to 1050?
Rock and roll.
Okay, rock and roll.
Yeah, cool.
All right, sweet, sweet, sweet.
Let's see.
We have Eric Chilson, $20 Super Chat.
Where does a guy find the traditional women at, or do I need to change what I'm looking for?
I have an answer for this.
Well, let me just flash through the super chat here.
Mike Davis, $20 Super Chat.
I got to drop in and send some love to the Asian men out there.
Man, what's going on?
They blowing the place up.
We've got to start Asian Dick Matter, Asian Dick Matter movement, and get them Asian men laid, get them nukes out of Jung-un's hands.
Wow, that was like wild.
Okay.
That will be the end part.
Okay.
Thank you.
So many different things there.
Yeah.
I do think I guess Asian men are struggling a little bit when it comes to dating, it seems.
It's unfortunate.
Unfortunate.
I agree.
I agree.
I think I was reading something about how the whole one-child policy in China ended up affecting men and dating and marriage a lot more than they could have perceived because now there's more men than women.
That is true.
And so it's crazy.
They have a struggle.
Well, I mean, I was more thinking of Asian American men, which that doesn't really have an impact, but it does.
In China, for example, that does have an impact.
But yeah, Asian American men definitely struggle because it seems to be the case that, and they've done studies on this.
And if you look at the marriage rates, so Asian women, for example, are twice as likely to marry outside of their race as Asian men are.
So there's definitely some biases there.
Unfortunately, I agree.
Asian men are, if I was gay, if I was gay, Krispy Kim, are you still in the chat?
I would go, I would date.
I would almost date exclusively Asian.
Get it.
If I were Asian men, I support you.
If I was gay.
Okay, that's a little sus.
That was sus.
I think I just lost a thousand subs.
I just lost a thousand subscribers.
Live your true.
You know what?
But Krispy Kim loves him even more now.
Yo, Derpington, thank you, man.
The stats show women are gatekeepers.
AKA, you are like a locked door.
Jesus Christ.
Locked so that analogy holds more than the pencil sharpener one.
It is how the mating strategy of our species has evolved over time.
Thank you.
Thank you, Derpington.
Zentien's $50 Super Chat.
This came in as a TTS.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
Gus, when a fact stat said that makes them feel true.
Bruv, Gus, can you drop the Barbados roleplay and just, okay, feel some type of way where it's true.
They use sign language.
Shame, insults, guilt need to be right.
Men don't want to walk into a room where our friends, fam, has seen or heard of it.
Promiscuity.
Man, the family's going to know we're promiscuous.
That's all just scandalous.
Gus.
The smartest man in the world, this came in as a TTS.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Jeffrey Arnold, $1 super chat, or $20, sorry.
Stop saying that men are hypergamous.
Men are not hypergamous.
Men are polygamous.
The sexual strategy, okay.
The sexual strategy of men is quantity over quality, polygamy.
And the sexual strategy of women is quality over quantity, hypergamy.
Eric, pull up the hypergamy chart real quick.
I appreciate that definition because I like masks.
Let's get some maps in here.
Okay, this is hypergamy.
So on the left, whom men would happily partner with, and on the right, whom women would happily partner with.
So men would be happy, you know, they'll across, right?
Women are all chasing after the top 10, top 20% of men.
Facts.
Facts.
Where is the study?
I'd like to read it.
It's real life.
That's gangster real.
I want to know what these are going to read it.
Pull up the other charts I asked you to pull up because it's related.
What I would like to know is what qualities do these men have in this study that women are chasing after.
That's what I want to read.
I think it really comes down again to personal preference.
Eric, are you on the first one of these?
Well, this one says one.
Okay, so we're going to cycle through a few.
So this is the perception of male attractiveness versus female attractiveness.
This is like from hundreds of, excuse me, hundreds of thousands of, I think this is from OKCupid, a dating app.
So men, as rated by women, is red, and women as rated by men.
That's in the gray.
So women are much harsher judges of physical attractiveness or, well, attractiveness, whereas men tend to judge women on a pretty, that's pretty reasonable bell curve right there.
So women are very harsh judges of attractiveness, and we see this backed up by the stats released by dating apps.
Most women swipe no, swipe left on the majority of men.
Let's see the other one really quick before we have you guys come in.
How men rate women on OKCupid.
This is basically the same one, but broken down a different way.
So men, you see the bell curve.
This is on the bottom, how women rate men on OKCupid.
You see much harsher judges of attractiveness.
Go ahead.
Next one.
Oh, next one.
Next one.
Okay, this is also from OKCupid.
So this is the number of messages received versus recipients' attractiveness.
The dark blue line is female.
The light blue line is male.
So in order for a male to receive an equivalent number of matches, so most attractive men get about the same amount of messages as a medium attractiveness woman.
Like a three.
I mean, she's above a medium.
So, well, she's a three.
Yeah.
So three, a woman has to be a three.
She gets the same amount of messages as a guy who's five, most attractive.
So if we want to extrapolate that to a 10 scale, that's 10 to a 6.
So a guy who's a 10 is getting the same amount of attention as a girl who's a six.
Next one, Eric.
There might be one more.
This is different young men driving the decline in sex, share of men and women between ages of 18 and 30 reporting no sex in the past year.
This is from the GSS, the general social survey.
The infographic is from the Washington Post.
So in 2018, by the way, if anyone in chat can parse GSS data, I looked on the GSS and they actually released data for 2021.
So can someone DM me if you know how to graph GSS data?
Because I will make an updated, or if you can make an updated version of this and I'll publish it.
So in 2018, 18% of women reported having no sex in the past year versus 28% of men having reported no sex in the past year.
That's between 18 and 30.
I bet that number is higher.
It's definitely higher after the pandemic.
That's what I was talking about earlier, actually.
Higher for men.
Higher for men.
Yeah, that's what I was talking about earlier, is that men from 18 to 25 are not getting weight at all.
That's the statistic.
It's kind of a bummer.
Besides that, U.S.
And that's why women are the gatekeepers of sex.
You know what?
I think it.
Oh, go ahead.
Oh, I just wanted to move on to the move on through these super chats here.
I only have another 12 minutes.
Okay, the delusion celipsism is over 9,000.
Hold on, I got something for you here.
It's over 9,000.
Oh, okay.
This was a TTS.
Oh, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, I remember that one.
Joffrey Arnold, $20 Super Chat.
Oh, did I already do this one?
Yeah, I just saw these books.
Did we do this one?
No, this one just came up.
Madam C.J. Walker, a woman, oh, in 1915 was the first self-made female millionaire.
Both men, women were oppressed.
If you didn't own land, sign up for the draft firefighter, owned bank account.
Your voice didn't matter.
Yeah, there's a lot of misunderstandings about rights, you know, historically.
She also masked behind somebody else.
CJ Walker was her husband.
That's why she was named Madam C.J. Walker, is because she used her husband's name.
Word.
This is a conversation for, I don't even know for this podcast, but that opens up a whole conversation talking about wealth inequality.
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I was talking about earlier, but that's cool.
That's a big topic.
Yeah, we'll save that.
We'll save it for next time.
Yeah.
All right, we have Stephen Aides.
Thank you for the $20 Super Chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Actions and choices have consequences.
That applies to everyone.
We are all at the same level and have the same access to information needed to educate ourselves to better our lives.
Stop blaming others for your failure.
By the way, guys, get your last-minute super chats in if you want.
We're going to be wrapping here pretty soon.
Louis Britto, $20 Super Chat.
Inflation is also women's fault.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm so sorry.
We're using different in terms of murder.
Is Brandon your brother?
Oh, my God.
Are we cheering him on?
Did he play a game?
I can't stop it. I can't stop it. I can't stop it.
This is long.
This is a very long track.
Let's go, Brandon.
Oh, God.
Okay.
Thank you, Louis Britto.
Oh, look at that.
Guys, really quick, look at that avatar.
He's playing the guitar.
Maybe he's a bassist.
I like the fedora.
And he's got fedora.
I'm noticing the fedora.
That's the thing.
Would you guys date him?
No.
Because he's a friend with Brandon.
No.
But, you know, maybe if he wasn't buddies with Brandon, then I'd happily have a nice conversation.
It's the fedora.
It's the fedora for me.
It's a no.
Wait, really quick.
Lady.
Wait, so what do you guys think about fedoras?
Just I love them.
I love them.
You know, actually, it depends on the person.
Oh, comfortably.
I'm so sorry.
No.
As a dermatology professional, I really enjoyed it.
Icon.
Can you please keep it on there?
I'm not going to lie here.
No, if someone comes up to me with a fedora, I'm just going to shut down the whole interview in that.
I might assume that you're in the queer community if you have a fedora.
Yeah, that's why we could vibe with that, maybe.
No, no, not together.
Not even close, actually.
Wow.
There was a time for the fedora.
Can you think about it?
Can we say Milady?
Can you please?
Milady.
I'll tell you what.
I'll say Milady.
If you guys do the Ahi Gala?
I'll do an RR.
If you know an RR.
I know what that is.
I want both, actually.
Both?
God, you're so demanding.
You got one out of three, one out of three.
No.
I'll do the ahigao.
She does the RR.
There we go.
No, both.
Then you get both.
That's when you ask.
That's an RR girl.
I'm not an RR girl.
I'm an RR girl.
Let's up the ante.
If he puts on the fedora after me.
Yes.
Let's go, buddy.
Is there a second fedora?
Rex.
Get that fedora on, baby.
Please.
Oh, he's going to put another hat on.
Yes.
No, it's got to be a fedora.
No, no, no.
It's got to be a fedora.
It's not the same.
It's got to be the fedora, man.
It's got to be a fedora.
If you want me to do it a hangout, it has got to be an.
He's a unicorn warrior.
Don't worry, it's World War II.
It's World War I.
Okay.
Okay.
That was my question.
Genuinely.
It's a good idea.
It's so literal.
That's the fault of it.
Weirdly, that looks good on you.
These are the terms and conditions.
You look very good.
Very handsome with the pickle.
It's a picklehaba.
That's what it's called.
Oh.
Did you try to say it?
Picklehaba?
Picklehaba.
Hell yeah.
You look good in gold.
Thank you.
Gangster.
Gold looks nice.
Okay, so go ahead.
Do what?
I want both.
No.
Okay, do I. I'll get both for the fedora.
Right.
I'll do the ahigal.
These are not the conditions.
Okay, go ahead.
Go, go, go.
Unfortunately.
Okay, so do you want me to make like a noise or do you just want me to do the face?
Whatever.
I would like to know both.
Yeah.
Well, okay.
I have no idea what you got.
You got this.
Let's go.
Wait, the microphone was blocking.
Wait, you got to move the mic.
You got to move the mic.
Move to the side.
No, you keep blocking it.
Here, move it to the corner.
I think that was acceptable.
Can you do it again?
Oh, my God.
Can you do it again?
Oh, that was.
That one.
Halam!
Wait, what was that called?
It's called an ahigal face.
Don't ask me how.
I know anything?
Don't ask me how I know what's happening.
I think we all know how you knew that.
Okay, let's, Ara Ara?
Okay.
Okay.
Ara-ara.
Wait, can you look into the camera?
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Ready?
Ada-ara.
Okay.
That's it.
That's all you get.
That's the show.
Take it or leave it.
Take it away.
You're welcome.
My ladies.
Oh, no.
We got that on camera.
We got it, boys.
Milady, we did.
Milady.
Okay, sorry for pressing.
All right, we got.
Let's do these super chats.
Yo, we got.
Okay, that was the TTS.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Mike Davis, the black dude is based.
He may be my long-lost son.
What the fuck?
I always thank you.
What?
Is that a dance?
Why do you have Mike Davis' picture?
Oh, my God.
There's a little bit of a resemblance.
No, not at all.
You know what?
It's in the cheekbones.
Wait, can you smile?
Cheekbones are a little.
I don't smile, but you kind of look like Deion Sanders.
Low-key.
You'd be going to make smiles.
I think the cheekbones are there.
By the way, he owns several Burger King restaurants on the East Coast.
So just say, Mike Davis does.
I want that for you, Mike.
Wait, so can you read the super chat, actually?
The black dude is based.
He may be my long-lost son.
I always knew you'd be special, but I could not be happier as a dad.
This shit is weird.
Wait, read it.
Really, come on.
To see you gatekeeping these hoes.
Your ancestors are smiling from above.
We'll sit side by side in heaven.
What?
I'm never going to die, bro.
Oh, okay.
Immortal already.
Wait, are you talking about transhumanism?
Like, living forever?
That type of shit?
Wait, is that what it's called?
Transhumanism.
I never knew that that was the name for it.
Well, I mean, there's a whole bunch of terms, but I mean, there's also a lot of things.
Are you assuming my humanism?
Oh, dangerous.
Transhumanism.
Well, transhumanism is like it's a futurist movement, and there's this thing called, well, there's a company called Alcor Preservation, Alcor Life Extension, where they actually freeze you upon death.
Oh, I've heard of it.
Like Disney.
Yeah, and Futura.
So me and we might try to sign up for you.
Don't they do it too where they can put your body in like you can become a tree?
Wait, so that's another thing.
Do you die first and then they freeze you or do you freeze before you die?
Let's talk after the show.
This is a dark.
Thank you for the TTS Derek.
Thank you for the TTS Smartest Man in the World.
I think we got this one.
Thank you for the TTS Durpington.
Much appreciated.
Thank you for the other TTS Derpington.
Did this one not come through?
Yeah, this one came through actually.
They addressed it.
Thank you.
Derpington, 20.
Dude, Derpington, you've been.
It's funny, though, is he insulted you, and then the next one he goes, you're none.
Starting with Pennywise 96526.
Kill him.
All right.
Well, I think he gave you a five.
Oh, I did.
I missed my six, actually.
965.
You're right.
Oh, that's fucking so good.
Let's Kiki out again.
No, poor Diki.
I give her a 10.
Eww.
Ew.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Can we get an oo?
Yeah, you just did.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
All right.
Thank you for that, TTS, man.
Yo, Christian Pabone, can the rating question start out with a call?
Oh, okay.
Came in as TTS.
Thank you, man.
Derpington, $20 Super Chat.
Someone recommended.
We only have like four more super chats here.
Someone recommended Alan Watts in the chat.
Yep.
Died too soon.
Alan is amazing.
Also check out Ram Dat, Ram Das, Terrence McKenna.
Oh, yeah, Ram Das is.
Ram Das is really cool.
Spurring, what up from Santa Barbara?
Hey, what's up, man?
805.
805, live or die.
Okay.
Loving this panel.
Lots of nuanced conversation happening.
Question, as a man, how do you meet new people without dating apps?
Meeting in person is my preference, but it's just hard to meet new people often.
I think activities.
Activities, hot.
Activities.
There's groups and stuff that, you know, intramural sports and shit.
It's tough, dude.
It's tough.
It's really hard.
Can I give them a suggestion real quick?
It's like, in 2023, you got to have like a popping social circle.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, girls are going to refer you to other girls if you're popping yourself, you know?
So just meet other men who are like doing big shit, and then they're going to invite you to parties, and then you meet girls like that.
Sweet.
All right.
I think we just got three more here.
Christian Pabone, thank you for the $20 super chat.
Don't confuse equity with balance in nature.
And then we've got Ron Burke here.
$20.
As someone who's recently binged a lot of your content, it's very interesting to see the difference in combativeness between the women with high body counts versus the women with low body counts.
Word?
True?
True.
Although, you know what?
We do have women who they have low body counts themselves, and they actually defend high body counts too.
They be capping.
That's why.
This is the least argumentative I've ever been in my life.
This is the least.
Okay, we have to get you back on.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay, that was a TTS.
Did this one come through as a TTS?
We did see that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
Last two, Derpington, $20 Super Chat.
Being fat and still deserving respect is not the same as being fat and being entitled to a relationship with someone.
God, no one's entitled to a person.
Oh, my God.
Derpington.
Derp.
Oh, no.
Derpington.
There is a woman who had this really viral TikTok.
She was in a yellow dress.
I don't know if you saw it.
And she said that it's discrimination and fat phobia if you're not willing to date someone who's obese.
But I think ultimately it's preferences, you know?
I think that's preference.
And I also think that that's like a way more complex issue.
Yeah.
All right.
Last one here.
Oh, Mango King, tuning in.
What's up, man?
I don't know if you were here last stream, but thank you.
Leonardo No Caprio, Brian plays FTSE with these girls under the table.
What the fuck?
By the way, Leonardo No Caprio, I think we did.
I remember you saying we missed one of your super chats a couple streams ago.
I want to apologize for that.
Sometimes we've had a lot of chat volume recently, so I do apologize that we missed it.
If you send me a DM on Instagram, let me know what the super chat was.
I'll read it on our next stream because I do try to cat, if I missed any, I will try to get them on the following stream.
So Mango King here with our last super chat.
Thank you, man.
No one will body shame you if you take care of your body.
I lost 53 pounds in four months, torn ligaments on left knee and broken back.
Crazy what you can accomplish when you are not lazy.
Most issues we face are as a result of laziness.
That's true.
Okay, so before I do our outro here, does anyone have a final?
Yeah.
Oh, last thing.
Twitch shout outs and then we're going to wrap.
Okay, so let's see.
Beach.
We already did Cheeks, right?
Thank you for the prime.
Derek, thank you for the follow.
Guys, open up a Twitch tab, twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
We have, I can't read that.
Hold on.
Look.
I saw you look.
Okay, thank you.
I saw you look.
Thank you for the following the prime.
JR Tokens, thank you for the follow.
Agent Ray, thank you for the follow.
Interview, thank you for the follow.
Bamba, thank you for the follow.
Zyphos, thank you for the follow.
Derek, thank you for the tier one sub.
Appreciate it, man.
Nachi Shinobi, thank you for the follow.
Official fudge, thank you for the follow.
Peace malarkey, thank you for the follow.
Cheek Klapasaurus, thank you for the follow.
Ron Burgundy, thank you for the follow.
Shazwazio, thank you.
I butchered that one.
Thank you for the follow.
Okay, before I do our outro, last, if anyone has a final thought, otherwise I'm happy to wrap this up here.
Dating is hard, and we're all just trying our best here.
So, you know.
Okay.
And I would love to say, not all women are out to get you.
A lot of us are truly, truly rooting for you.
Yeah, 100%.
I would like to say be open-minded to new experience.
And also, my page is only $3 right now.
My page is also only $5 right now.
Yeah.
Oh.
Yes.
Is there like a whatever coupon code they can use?
It's $3.
Yeah.
You know what?
Actually, we put it on you a deal podcast.
I'll cut you a deal.
If you tell me that you came from this podcast, I will give you a free gift.
I can't say what that gift is on here because it will get me banned, but I will give you a free gift.
You know what?
I'll go with that as well.
If you say that you're coming from the podcast, I'll send you something for free.
Wow.
And then Rax, where can the people find you?
Find me on IG, King Raxo, R-A-C-S-O.
You can find me on IG, I mean, on TikTok too.
I just got on YouTube.
I'm on Twitter too.
And my last comment that I want to say is that this is the easiest dating market of all time.
If you have no girls, then you have a problem.
So hit my line if you guys need some.
I got you.
Dating coach.
Dating coach, guys.
Oh, wait.
I want to say thank you really quick.
Everyone who reached out on the comments and shouted me out for my sobriety.
I really appreciate you guys.
And Mr. Andrew Clark, you can go to my DMs and we can argue over there.
Okay, you two anything or Instagram, Flamin'Hot Sheeto.
I'm also on TikTok, but I did not post anything.
Wait, just can you show the armpit one more time?
Wow.
That's just gonna be a fun thing.
Good times, good times.
Well, if you're down, we'll have you back.
We'll discuss the nuances of dating with armpit hair.
I'll be fine.
You know what?
I'm happy to do that.
That sounds fun.
Okay, well, yeah, talk about dating in foreign countries if you want.
Oh, let's do that.
Let's do that.
All right.
Guys, thank you for tuning in tonight.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry, Girl.
I don't really have, I mean, I would say like the same thing.
You know, don't hold yourself to this.
Don't limit yourself, anyways.
Like, I think there's lots of things to be had.
I think you can make judgments about people.
But again, don't limit yourself.
People can be the exception.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Good time.
Love yourself, everyone.
Kiki.
Okay, Kiki.
Great.
Well, I thought it was a good panel.
I know it got heated a bit, but I think it's good to have some debate.
I appreciate you guys bringing the heat on some stuff.
So, guys, thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been doing anything else, but you were here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thanks to everyone who super chatted and supports the show.
Really appreciate it, especially after the TikTok.
We got kicked out of the Creator Fund.
So appreciate, I think, because we talk about some more risque subjects and stuff related to sex.
You guys are on TikTok.
It's super strict on TikTok.
So you guys have probably dealt with bans and stuff.
I get blocked a lot.
Yeah.
This is why I don't use it.
I got fucked for just showing like a, I showed that I took after dab.
Like it was like me after I took a dab.
No, they won't.
Anything drugs too.
Yeah, say what you will about YouTube, but TikTok's super strict.
So anyways, yeah, thanks to everyone who super chatted, support the show.
Really appreciate it.
Big thank you to the panel for coming tonight, especially some of you came from LA, right?
Joe?
So, so, oh, yeah, him too.
Thank you guys for coming.
Really appreciate it.
You guys were great panelists.
Thank you so much.
And big shout out to our chat mod, Zach Candace, Nemesis, Urmeshi, and Blair, our new mod.
Thanks to Eric, our top producer, killing it as always.
Can we get some W's in the chat?
Shout out to Eric.
Shout out to Eric.
Deserves all the claps.
Yes, yes, yes.
Oh, he's dragging it over.
Okay.
And yeah, oh, also thank you, Chaz, for helping out behind the scenes.
And guys, we will be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
We have a special guest coming on, Modern Life Dating.