Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara County, California.
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Anyways, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Emma.
I'm 22 years old.
I'm a recent UCSB graduate with a Bachelor in Communication, currently occupied in downtown Santa Barbara as a stylist.
Did you go to school for that?
Because you said you graduated from UCSB.
With a Bachelor in Communication.
Okay.
Putting it to good use.
Clearly.
Yeah.
Clearly, there you go.
Cool.
Hi, everyone.
Whatever.
I'm from Australia and I moved to LA about four months ago.
I'm a best-selling author with nine books and I've written two books about dating and ghosting.
Where'd they go?
And hashtag Instalovers.
I'm a TV host, radio announcer, and mom, actually.
You said you wanted our age.
I'm going to be 50 in July.
What's up, Eric?
Sorry, guys.
Hold on.
We're having technical issues.
Can you not see anything?
Yeah, no, I can't.
Okay.
Continue on with the introductions.
But guys, are your books available on Amazon?
Yeah, you can get my books on Amazon or my website.
But yeah, I was just in the middle of telling you my age, and then I thought that's what made the technical issue.
You almost turning fancy just everyone was like, what?
Sent electricity through the air.
Exactly.
Friedar.
I'll fix it.
Can you just tell us about the books real quick?
Where'd they go?
Just went on an American tour and I went on all the TV shows.
It's about ghosting, like ghosting culture.
Literally, people just like disappearing into thin air.
There's stuff in there about when they resurface.
So sometimes they'll just watch your Instagram stories and they'll orbit.
So I call that orbiting, just to let you know that's still around.
And then, yeah, this one's about digital dating.
Hashtag Instalovers.
We've stopped the show.
Go ahead, Sydney.
Hi, I'm Sydney.
I'm 21 years old.
I am from Nevada and I'm out here for college.
I'm an acting major, so I'm studying acting and I go back and forth between here and LA a little bit for that.
I think I touched all the bases.
My name is Jubilee.
I'm 19 and I'm not in school, but I am a Nail Tech.
I'm Savannah.
I'm 18.
I'm not in school, and I'm just working at a restaurant right now.
Brandon, age 40, tattoo artist, club promoter for the Spearman Rhino, Santa Barbara County, and I just started a hauling business, LLC.
Hauling?
What does that tell me about that?
People that have access, trash, roofers, yard waste, stuff like that.
The truck will come, grab it, take it to a city landfill for a fee, back and forth, back and forth type thing.
And that's your business you started?
I just started it.
I just got my LLC from the Secretary of State.
Actually, I just got my Dunns number for business yesterday.
Exciting.
So now I'm just looking for a truck.
Yeah, I got my loan.
I'm looking for a truck.
Cool.
Congratulations.
Yeah, I'm stoked.
We all wait.
All right.
Sorry, guys.
We're having technical difficulties.
We can't even see the monitor.
This is the first time this has ever happened.
Chat, can you just say one in the chat if you can at least still see and hear us?
One in the chat if you can see and hear us.
Okay, chat.
Sorry, it's going to take me one to two minutes to address the issue.
We are live.
Why don't I have everyone go around?
Tell me your current relationship status.
Longest relationship.
Current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on any dating apps?
Do I start?
Yes.
I am currently single.
My longest relationship, 10 months, I think.
And I am on the dating app Hinge.
Ah, the relationships app.
The one designed to be deleted.
Unfortunately, I know all too well all of the dating apps.
I know all of them.
I wrote a whole book about it.
Hinge is a great one.
I am actually on a couple of apps at the moment.
Happily single, dating, although I am looking for the love of my life.
I'm using The League and Raya.
Although I think that they're both not really working very well.
And yeah, just kind of seeing someone at the moment.
That's it.
Oh, longest relationship was 13 years with one person.
And besides that, two months.
You definitely have us beat there.
I'm not sure if you guys can see me, so I'm Sydney again.
But I'm single.
I'm not seeing anybody.
My longest relationship was six months in high school because I haven't really dated that much.
And I'm currently on Tinder, but I don't use it too much.
I am currently single um my longest relationship am I possibly single not sure um and And my longest relationship was about a year, and I'm on bumble.
I'm single right now, and my longest relationship, I think, was like a year and a half.
And then I'm not on any dating apps right now.
Brandon, I'm 40, and I promote, I'm sorry.
Let's back up.
Longest relationship, six years.
Currently single and no dating apps.
I wonder what Kiki's being on everything.
Look at her.
She's Medicare.
All right, guys, we're having major fucking technical difficulties, so I'm still trying to address it.
We kind of have something here, but we're having a lot of issues.
So I can't host and also try to handle the technical issues at the same time.
So yeah, I don't know what to do, guys.
You want a restart?
I don't think that's really an option at this point.
Let's see.
It seems like all the guests are able to see and all of that sort of thing.
So that's pretty cool.
Yeah, guys.
I don't know if you guys can start it.
You guys can't see what's going on on your end, but it's like scuffed on our monitor.
Eric, it's scuffed on his monitor.
So, yeah.
No, they don't see an issue, but there's an issue on our end.
So, yeah.
Do you want us to just banter for a bit while you?
Yeah, if you guys can.
Okay, I'll go over.
I'll take over.
I'm a little bossy, so I can come in handy with that.
So, go see that.
All right, we'll start this way down.
What was one of your like worst Tinder or like dating app experience or best?
I mean, I'm out in Santa Barbara because I matched with a guy on Tinder, and now I'm like, I hit it off with him.
And so, okay.
So, for me, I ended up, so I'm from Reno, Nevada, which is like near Tahoe.
And I ended up matching with a guy on Tinder, and we went on a date in Reno and just like hit it off.
He's like, oh, like, I'm not looking for anything.
Like, I like you, but I leave for school out in Santa Barbara in like two weeks.
So, we were just friends.
Then I came out and I visited him here as a friend.
And then I like fell in love with it.
And a year later, I live here.
So, I'm on, I'm in Santa Barbara, like, living like.
What happened to him?
We're still friends.
We're honestly still friends, but it's funny because like I came out to live in Santa Barbara and then we just swapped.
So, now he lives in Reno.
Nowhere.
Yeah, which is kind of funny.
So, but like, I made it out to Santa Barbara because of Tinder.
I've had like really good like Tinder experiences, which is like crazy.
But I mean, in my career path being acting, it's all about like connections and stuff.
So, like, the more people you meet, the better you go.
Emma, your turn.
What's one of your like craziest or like best dating app experiences?
I guess like craziest in terms of like unpredictable, like spontaneity is I had been talking to a guy on Hinge for like less than 24 hours.
There was definitely some flirty chats going on, but nothing serious.
And then that night, he booked me a flight to come see him in LA.
So he flew me out, coach, nothing crazy.
And when I got there, I was like texting him, like, I landed.
Is the car gonna come pick me up and take me to your place or the hotel or what's going on?
And basically, he just wasn't responding.
So I ended up just going out in LA by myself and I actually had the best night.
I went to a club and I met a bunch of people and I ended up just partying with them.
And then the next day he texted me, like, sorry, I got too messed up.
Let's try, let's like try for brunch in LA.
And I was like, I'm out of here, buddy.
But thanks for the flight.
Wait, so he flew you out to LA.
From where?
Santa Barbara, which is a private airport.
So I flew from this tiny little airport, Santa Barbara, to LAX.
So you wait, you flew private?
Well, then.
Santa Barbara's not a private airport.
No, it's just a really small, small airport.
We live here.
We know.
Yeah, so it was just like a domestic flight, like literally from Santa Barbara to LA, like an hour and a half flight.
But he paid for it.
Yeah.
And then he was a no-show.
Yeah, I guess he was, you know, either drunk, asleep, something.
I don't know.
But I didn't get a text until like 3 or 4 a.m. and I was out at that point.
I was at Poppy and I get a text like, oh, sorry, like, I just like saw this.
Like, where are you at now?
I was like, that's a yikes.
Yeah.
That's a yikes.
So did you end up meeting up with him eventually or no?
No.
But I had such a fun night, and I actually met two of my really good girlfriends that I'm still friends with now that are from LA.
And we still see each other and I still see them in LA.
So he paid for the flight.
It's weird that he paid for a flight instead of just paying.
Do you have a car?
No, I don't drive.
You don't?
Why?
Many reasons.
What are the DUI?
Do I what?
DUI.
Do you have a driver?
Oh, no, no.
I mean, for one, when I did, I used to drive.
I had my driver's license, which I shouldn't.
But when I did drive back when I had a car, like in high school, one of my classic Emma examples of how I would act on the road, I used to reverse on the freeway when I would miss my exit.
That's literally in the permit test of what not to do.
I didn't read it.
How did you pass?
I don't know.
But I did with flying colors.
I barely made any mistakes.
Clearly, I didn't go to the corner.
And they gave me my driver's license and a car, but then I got taken away.
Yikes.
Wait, so your driver's license is revoked?
No, my car got taken away, but I still got my driver's license.
Maybe it's good you're not on the road, baby.
Exactly.
That's why I think it's irresponsible for me to have a car.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's.
Eric, is the audio muted?
Can you click that button on the keyboard?
Because I'm not getting any audio from my soundboard.
I'm getting that.
You're hearing this?
Yeah, I heard it.
Oh.
Yeah, we're not getting audio either.
Sorry, guys, we've had some technical, been having technical difficulties on our end.
I've addressed it.
Everything's working now, but we're still having some audio issues.
I'm going to have to go check on that really quick.
But yeah, so that's quite interesting that you, one, you don't drive because you reverse on that.
Yeah, I guess I fit the stereotype.
So why instead, why not just get off on the next exit?
That's what the oh, so I didn't realize?
That's what the police officer told me.
No, that is what the person in the passenger seat told me was like, well, first of all, after they were done screaming, they were like, well, you realize that this is like not how you drive.
And I was like, I don't know.
I just kind of make my own rules.
I kind of just like, I get behind the wheel and I disassociate.
That's a yikes.
Yeah.
In what other scenarios do you disassociate?
Just driving.
I think that's.
Okay, well, because it's so important to be focused as a driver.
And that's where I just like, la la la, go on my phone, get from point A to point B, and I don't remember me on it.
You know, you can't even get on your phone when you're driving.
You hold it, there's cameras everywhere in Australia just looking down at you.
Yeah, see, for me, driving was like the perfect time to go on my phone.
Have you ever committed the crime of vehicular manslaughter?
No, I have not, and I do not condone it.
And I do not condone.
You don't condone vehicular manslaughter.
I do not condone vehicular manslaughter, nor do I condone texting and driving.
Okay.
But I'm going to be clean and say I have texted and chat.
It's good that you don't condone vehicular manslaughter.
Yeah, I would say I'm pretty starchly against it.
Okay, cool, cool.
So I apologize to the panel.
I missed your relationships at.
So who's single?
Just show of hands really quick.
Who's single?
Everybody.
I mean, I'm sort of seeing someone, but I'm single.
You're single until there's a girl.
Jubilee.
Wait, you're repeat that?
I was just saying you're single until there's a girlfriend question.
No, you're single till there's a boyfriend question.
Yeah, both.
Yeah.
The girl should initiate that.
I mean, either works, but like an exclusivity.
Yeah.
Okay.
And let's clarify.
It's kind of interesting to me, though, that you can be single and also have been sleeping with multiple people at the same time.
That's kind of strange.
Mike Davis is back.
Hey, Mike Davis, what's up, man?
Here, let me get the soup chat really quick.
And by the way, Michael Trilstein, I don't know if you're still in the chat, but thank you for the five gifted memberships before the show started, man.
Much appreciated.
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Yeah, sorry, guys.
I was super flustered there.
We've never had that happen before.
Just, guys, don't buy a Dell.
Don't buy Dell.
It's dog shit, dog-tier computer.
Okay, so we're going to get into our first topic here.
And this is sort of related to your book.
Right.
So you wrote a book, one of which is about ghosting.
Which one's that?
Which book is that?
Where'd they go?
Did they die?
We'll never know.
Just vanished.
Okay.
We're going to talk about ghosting here in just a second.
Let me get the soup chat while we have it pulled up.
Eric, can you just pull that back up real quick?
All right, so Mike Davis with the $10 soup chat.
I'm in a bad mood.
Some bitch stole out my register today.
I'm going DEF CON 3 on women today.
Putting this pack on notice in it if any of them step out of line, bringing out the flamethrower.
Eric, can you pull up the Burger King?
Oh, Jesus.
That's the button, Bruce.
Wait, that's the button?
Did you press six again?
Okay, go back, go back.
All right, guys.
OBS is fucking up too.
Sorry, dudes.
So, okay, I need to step up to guys.
Sorry, the show is going to be a little janky today.
I need to get up and deal with the technical issues that we're having.
But Mike Davis, thank you for the soup chat.
Let me pull that up once more and just finish this off.
So, yeah, dude, hey, Mike Davis, if it's any consolation, I had three girls flake on me last minute today to come on the show.
So it is what it is.
Did you see where the Mike Davis for sure?
Yeah.
Can we lower her arm too?
We'll put this.
i'll put this here actually can you wait there he is Handsome fella.
Same picture.
Yeah.
All right.
He's part of the panel.
All right.
Thank you, Mike Davis, for the $10 Super Chat, man.
Much appreciated.
Yeah, I want you to bring it, dude.
Death Con3.
All right.
By the way, just a reminder, guys, all super chats will be read.
Well, sorry.
All super chats will be displayed $10 and up to be read and answered by either me or the panel.
So ghosting.
You wrote a book on it.
You're the expert.
Ah, yeah, unfortunately.
So who do you guys think ghosts ghosts more, men or women?
You go first, go ahead.
Men.
Oh, no, it's everybody, and it doesn't just happen on dating.
It happens in business and friendship too.
Depends on the situation, yeah.
But you're not leaning in any.
Like, I.
I probably ghost more personally.
Okay.
I agree.
I tend to ghost quite often.
Yeah, I agree with them.
I ghost a lot more than the guys I talk to.
Brandon, thoughts?
I definitely ghost, and I definitely have been ghosted, so it goes both ways.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
He doesn't.
I would say I don't ghost.
Ever.
No, I have.
But it's rare.
When you did, was it?
She was crazy.
Okay.
Okay.
Crazy.
Super weird.
So she deserved it because you were feeling unsafe.
To a degree.
Okay.
To a degree, but she's just like being ridiculous.
She wouldn't take no for an answer.
Like I tried to do a proper, like, I'm not interested, but she just was way too persistent with it.
I ghosted an Australian.
You ghosted a what?
An Australian.
How dare you, sir?
I think there's times when ghosting's good.
There's a chapter in my book about that.
And that's when you're feeling unsafe or disrespected.
For sure, you can ghost.
Yeah, I definitely think that there's circumstances and situations where it's justified.
But I'd say probably most of the time it's just people being cowardly and disrespectful.
Well, they just don't know how to have a sweaty palm conversation or they're not picking up on the yellow and orange flags.
Right.
Yeah.
Good point.
Good point.
So, you know, I think that ghosting is a bit proportional to your level of narcissism.
Okay.
Because narcissism is a whole other thing.
That is a whole other thing.
It's really important not to just label somebody that unless you actually have, you know, psychologist diagnose them with that label.
There are narcissistic traits, and some people can be, you know, narcissistic in their behavior, but it doesn't mean they're narcissists.
While we do this, though, while I address the technical issues, why don't you tell us, give us a little plot synopsis, cliff notes on your book about ghosting.
Okay.
Well, basically, it's something that either, as you can see, everybody has either done or had it done to them.
Has anybody been ghosted?
Yeah, everyone?
Yes.
You have?
What happened?
I mean, I'm never really too forward.
I'm pretty much a gentleman.
If I get asked somebody and I'm interested in them, and if they're not receptive to it, then, you know, I'm not going to sit there and ask again.
You know what I'm saying?
If they're sweet and nice, and there may be just, you know, who's, God, what's up with all these, you're your eye and all this shit.
And I'm looking at your profile, like, oh, you know what I'm saying?
But when people get to know me, when they get to talk to me, it's like, oh, like, cool.
Nice.
Even if it's just for good friendship, you know what I'm saying?
I'm picky with the people I bring into my world.
So if you don't strike me as genuine, then we're not going to go too far.
Right.
The conversation is going to go to a certain point to where it's like I'm going to start saying things that the person's not going to appreciate, however it may be constructive, or a positive opinion in my perspective.
But I mean.
And you're saying it's because you feel like you get judged because of how you look.
I mean, I don't really care.
I mean, I didn't do all this in fear of being judged.
Don't really care.
But it's like I said, the people I bring into my world, you know, yeah.
I mean, the only people I've ever ghosted were people that were just, you could tell their psycho.
Right.
So they're just like, whoa, like, like, we're already talking about all this.
We haven't even met or nothing.
And you're getting into, you know, what your ex did to you and why you're all messed up in your body.
Like, I feel bad for you, girl.
Rule number one: don't talk about your ex on dates, right?
That, or, you know, just don't tell people you never met personal things.
It's just going to turn off.
But what you said, though, and girls, did you hear, you said, because I'm a gentleman.
I mean, this is the whole thing: is that when people decide to be gentlemen and have quality communication, you'll usually just say, hey, I'm not feeling it, or whatever.
The only time you'll ghost is when they're crazy, as you say.
If they get psycho and they're just or they call me like, whoa, like, you know, if I didn't respond within 10 minutes and I'm getting a phone call from them, it's like, fuck, you know, how do I, I'm done off top.
How do I, how do I do that in a nice way without having to waste more of my time thumbing through texts and shit like that?
It's not my thing.
But for the average person, people are getting ghosted through business, through friendships, through dating, right?
And it can be really haunting, like, pardon the pun, if you don't deal with that disappearance.
Like, so many people are actually describing it as worse than death who do get ghosted.
Worse than death.
Yes, because Brian, at least with death, some of my readers are like, you know, thank you for writing this because at least when somebody dies, you know they're gone.
You can grieve it properly.
But with ghosting, when somebody ghosts you, they actually, you don't know if they're still around, what actually happened, how do I get closure?
And I teach you to go, well, do we actually care?
Because clearly you dodged a bullet.
You don't want to be with somebody that doesn't know how to communicate, right?
But so many people say that it really messes with their self-esteem and their confidence.
Maybe they got ghosted because they compared it to death.
Wait, worse.
Worse than death.
That's a little scary.
Worse than death as in you dying or someone you know dying.
Well, they're not just able to put closure to that interaction.
At least when they're saying, and this is what the reader said, one reader said, that when that person died, they knew that they were gone and they could grieve it.
But with the person that ghosted them, they really never had the closure because they don't know whether they're still around, like what actually happened.
I think that's what I'm saying.
I think I'd rather.
Go ahead.
No, sorry.
I think that's the issue with the whole semantics in the context of ghosting is that we project so much expectation on this person that may even be like a parasocial relationship, like someone we've messaged on a dating app a couple times.
And I think that burden is like having it heavy to carry it.
I understand what you're saying.
Like, yes, it's a very extreme metaphor, but like I think people project so much onto getting ghosted and like what that means like for them and for that person.
For me, I've never like personally, I don't think I've been in a situation where I've been ghosted, so to say.
I think the issue is that.
You kind of just told us an example where you got ghosted.
Well, they texted me back like five hours later.
Okay.
I've never had someone like proverbially disappear from my life and never heard from them again.
No, I think it's just a matter of that there's very telling signs and there's pretty glaring cues of people that kind of will come at you with this angle of pursue and withdraw.
So a lot of the times like guys will, you know, show you affection or, you know, communicate with you or give you this just enough so that you are able to project, oh, you know, a certain amount of potential with them.
And then I think when that potential or that expectation isn't met, then we on the receiving end will be devastated and almost like to the point where it's like not, it's so out of scale and it's so blown out of proportion, the level of emotional investment that I think a lot of girls, women put into these like ghosting experiences where it's like, I think from the jump, I can tell if someone's coming in.
With that angle of pursue and with dry, I can tell if someone's gonna like.
The tricks are pretty easy, they're pretty elementary, they're pretty like you know.
They think they might be able to pull one over on you, but I think it's just a matter of in the context of ghosting.
What do you mean in the context of like?
Because the whole thing about why ghosting has such an impact, I think, on so many people is that I thought I had potential with someone.
I thought I had something with someone like Davis for laughing at your chat.
We'll pull it up in a sec.
I think I had this something with someone and then when that's not met by them, when that's why i'm saying I think that the responsibility is on both, both people, the person that got ghosted and the person that's doing the ghosting.
I don't think we should necessarily like villainize this person that's doing the ghosting, because a lot of the time the person that's being ghosted or is overburdening or has unrealistic expectations.
So I think expectation is kind of the key yeah, concept.
We do got to keep in mind that that this is an artificial world.
Yeah yeah, that that we are communicating in and and speaking from you know, someone born in the early 80s.
Now, in 2022, the generations after they they, they don't really understand.
They do understand, but they, but they.
You know, being born into social media, born into the cell phone.
There's no real time to take into account like, what should, what should you really get emotional over and what should you not get emotional over?
If if, if the interaction is not face to face and you didn't fall in love with this person face to face, or you didn't garnish respect for this person face to face, how can you feel disrespected after a certain point?
Of all, you fucker but like to like?
You know, I think it's more for people who have actually been in a six-week relationship.
They had met each other's friends and all of those things and, just to quantify it all, I don't agree that that person should feel that way.
That's why I wrote the book.
There's 50 ways to deal with disappearance and to realize that you're so much better off and and get the closure on your own.
But, as you say, we're in a world now where we feel like we're having a relationship via text, via dating apps, and we're actually not.
It's not real right, it's.
I mean, it's not, and and I just want to you know who ask a question for the panel if I could.
Who?
Who agrees that we live in America currently in a failed society?
I just moved here, so I don't think so it's pretty failed.
I'll raise my hand to that, I reckon uh, wait.
So I just want to go back to the whole.
So can you just repeat that?
It's ghosting is for some people.
People is, what is what worse than death?
One reader told me that that is that way.
Okay, a singular reader.
Okay, okay.
Thank you for clarifying this.
I was about to say, like, I think I'd rather get ghosted than have someone I know die.
But we don't understand her situation.
She may have, as I said, you know, been in a relationship and felt like she was really connected to that person.
And that's why it felt like that for her.
You know, but I'm suggesting that we shouldn't feel that way, that we should count our blessings.
I think if you're dating someone and they cheat on you, then you should ghost them.
Oh, yeah, that's a good reason to ghost, right?
I think that'd be like a justified ghost.
Even if you've been dating for like three years, goodbye.
That's like the most gangster way.
There's nothing else to do.
Yeah, it's not even like, oh, let me what's the word?
Like explain or justify?
Yeah, I don't want to have an argument with you.
I don't want to have a big blow-up fight with you.
I'm just going to fucking ghost you.
It's a rap.
You can think why.
You can wonder why I ghosted you, why you've been together for three years, but yeah, I think that'd be a scenario where you're.
I think I should have done that.
Yeah, what happened with you?
What was the story with you?
Oh, I was dating this guy for about five months.
There's a whole story of how I found out he was cheating.
He came to surprise me for a day after he moved for like a month, and he left my house in the middle of the night.
And I had his location, and I went there and I heard him having sex with another girl from the sidewalk.
Ouch.
Nice.
Good times.
I heard yikes.
Oh, my God.
Did you?
Wait, so I waited there.
Did you see him like through the window?
No, I heard him.
You just heard it.
I heard it.
You heard the audible noises.
Yeah.
Did the rhythm match up with like the rhythm with you?
You know, you said you heard the like, was that his pace?
Like, was that because it could have been somebody else?
Maybe it's no, no, he, I, I waited off, like, he walked out of the house.
But like, you didn't see him.
And without confirming, like, if it was like, oh, he told me he did.
Was it?
Oh, okay.
I got confirmation.
That's when she should have been.
If the pumps per minute were like.
He didn't have sex with me.
If it was off, like, it could have been someone else.
Oh, I don't know.
I think you should give him a second chance.
I did.
Jubilee.
He cheated on me again.
Wow.
Jubilee.
Wait, okay, okay.
All right.
So she should have ghosted him, is her?
I did for a little bit.
Okay.
And then why did you take him back?
Were you digmatized?
No.
We didn't really have sex.
Okay, that's the whole thing.
You didn't have.
Wait, hold on.
You didn't have sex with him, but he was sleeping with someone else.
Wait, he didn't want to fuck you or you didn't want to fuck him?
Or is it dead bedroom?
Well, he said he was gay at the end of our relationship.
And then you caught him cheating, sleeping with another woman.
Do you have a penis?
I don't think he was.
Because, I mean, you said he's gay, right?
I don't think I do.
He could be bi.
He told me he was, and then, like, after we watched Glee together, he was like, I'm gay.
You watched what film?
he's not your person Oh, my God.
He told me, because, okay, he told me he was bi when we first started dating.
He's like, if we watch, and then we broke up in July a few months before that we started watching Glee.
He's like, hey, after we watch Glee, I think I'm going to be fully gay.
And I thought he was joking.
But after we finished it, he's like, I'm gay.
And I was like, honestly, Glee was a sexual awakening for me, too.
I get it.
Wow.
No, okay, okay.
He told me he was gay, but he'd cheat on me with women the entire time.
He was so gay.
That's the gayest man I've ever heard.
He's a liar.
He's so gay, he cheated on you with other women.
I know.
Wow.
Just to prove it to himself, right?
God damn.
Yeah.
That's a sad thing.
Jubilee.
He's the one living at my mom's house.
He lives with your mom?
We've talked about this before.
It's been a while, though.
You got to refresh the viewers.
Yeah, he lives at my mom.
Well, because he told me he was gay.
I was like, okay, well, we ended on good terms.
And then, yeah, and he lives at my mom's house.
Has in a different state.
Hooked up with him?
In a different state?
Yeah, in Colorado.
Why does he live with your mom?
Because we agreed on that one, because he lived with me.
We moved there together.
Is your mom single?
Is she hot?
Is she hot?
My mom's not single.
My mom has a husband.
I think they're happily married.
No, I don't think they've hooked up.
I hope not.
No, because when he told me he was gay, I was like, okay, we moved to Colorado.
And he was like, oh, like, we established that he was gay or whatever.
Quote unquote, whatever.
And I was like, okay, well, I can't live with you anymore.
So he drove me all the way back here with my dog.
And then he flew back to Colorado.
And then we kind of went back and forth on being friends and being not.
And now I haven't talked to him in a bit.
Now I can't go see my mom.
He's currently living.
He's currently there.
Right.
Your mom.
Well, like, yeah, at my mom's house.
Like, they don't.
Why?
Because he's homeless.
And he's a drug addict.
And so if he moved out back here, he would have died.
And I'd rather.
Wait, so you got him linked up with your mom or your mom was just feeling generous and wanting to.
Oh, my mom's just really nice and will help anyone.
There's like multiple people living in her house right now.
Multiple homeless drug addicts.
No, Just people that, like, there was a couple that lived downstairs in her house while she was traveling that were watching her dogs while I was there.
And then they moved upstairs into my room.
Your mom has like no boundaries.
Yeah, there's also like a 16-year-old girl like living there too that like needed his help.
There's like it, it's going from like generous to like, yo, she's.
It's in a hotel now.
That's just.
Wait, but speaking of your boyfriend, quasi, maybe gay boyfriends sort of thing.
A girl was previously on the show.
Can you tell us about that?
Okay, so I was supposed to come on the show and I couldn't because I was working.
Yeah, because I was working at that time.
And I saw who was on it and I saw the Instagram username and I knew exactly who it was right away because she had previously stalked me for months.
And her, I don't know if it was her best friend or her really close friend, was in a relationship with my boyfriend while I was dating him and living with him.
And she called me twice and I saw, I recognized the area code because it was the same area code of the girl that he was like with.
I thought they were just friends and I found out it was a lot more than just friends.
Who had met, he met her while he moved for a few months during the winter season to work at a ski resort.
So he met her, moved back in with me.
I thought they were friends.
But this girl, I recognized the error code.
I showed him.
I was like, hey, do you know who this is?
He told me to block the number.
And I was like, why?
He's like, just block it.
And I was like, no, I'm not going to do that.
And so I looked up her number on Cash App because you could find their name.
Found out her name.
And I realized she followed me on Instagram the same exact time she had called me around like the same 10, 15 minutes, whatever.
What a detective.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I'll go deep.
And then she followed my nail account and then my main account and then unfollowed both and then would kind of refollow and unfollow like all my pictures, like my stories, and then unfollow.
And then for months, she watched all my stories without following me.
Until even recently, she followed my nail account again.
That's called Orbiting.
Yikes.
Orbit.
And so she and I texted her the next day.
I was like, hey, like, sorry, Mr. Call, that was about work.
Cause I was like, let me just.
Wait, is this the girlfriend?
No, this is her friend.
The girl that was on the show.
Yeah.
Her friend was in the relationship with my ex.
Okay.
And she wasn't, she didn't.
I think she met him.
No, but okay, so there was a girl on the show.
Yes.
Her friend was sleeping with your boyfriend at the time.
Yes.
Okay.
And so, but she knew everything.
And she knew you.
Yes.
Okay.
So you're upset at her because she didn't tell you.
She was talking to me.
It was like a weird situation.
It's like, why are you watching my every move and not saying anything?
And she commented on my story one time and I saw it.
I didn't respond.
But she's like, hey, like, is he there with his dog?
And I was like, the dog that we got together?
Yeah.
What if she thought that her friend was the girlfriend and you were the side piece?
I doubt it.
That would explain it because she was checking up on you.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Wait, but did the girl that was hooking up with him, did she know that you were the girlfriend?
Yes.
And Jubilee is why she was supposed to ghost.
Bye.
Jubilee.
Jubilee.
We need some bath water or something.
Some holy water.
Some holy water.
All right, let me get these soup chats here.
All right.
I didn't ghost someone recently, though.
Let's see.
We have Mike Davis here with the $10 Sup Chat.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Brandon, I can help you kickstart your business, but I'm going to need some form of alternative pavement.
I'll get you that dump truck and you'll get a BBL package deal.
Dump?
I'll take the BBL.
Bam.
There you go, Mike.
All right, Mike Davis, $10 Sup Chat.
I love it when women ghost me.
My goal was to dash and dine, hit and run.
I don't want to talk to no, I don't want to talk no more.
Glad when the problem takes care of itself.
Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's, you know, who needs the whole, oh, I don't want to see you anymore.
Sometimes it's good.
It's just ghost.
Do a ghost.
Sometimes it's better, you know?
I don't need closure.
In that case, she picked up on the red flags and left.
No, Mike Davis has no red flags.
Andy, how dare I need you to apologize to Mike Davis for even suggesting that such a great man could have red flags?
Here, pull up the burger.
But when Mike doesn't like the girl, that's when he gives them off so that they can go.
Can you pull up the burger?
He's a cutie.
He's actually really cute.
I need you to apologize to him.
Oh, yeah.
I'm very sorry.
That's him.
He owns Burger Kings.
I can tell.
He claims he doesn't, but no, he does.
Okay.
He says he doesn't, but he does.
Okay.
He does.
He's trying to keep it on the DL.
Low profile.
He's the king.
He's the Burger King King.
So, okay.
Where were we?
Oh, here we go.
We got Stiffler here.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10.
Yeah, we can do that.
Go ahead.
My objective.
Your appearance, one to 10.
This is hard.
It's a number.
Pick up.
I have self-esteem issues.
You have self-esteem issues?
Tell us about your self-esteem issues.
I'll tell you that some days it's like a 10 and some days it's a four.
Okay.
So what is it now?
I think I'm sitting at a solid like six and a half.
Okay.
Seven.
Okay.
You know what?
Self-love, seven.
Wow.
Go ahead.
I think if you're ever going to write yourself, you should always write yourself a 10 because you become more attractive when you hear how a person thinks.
When somebody starts to show you how they think, they're hot, right?
Sydney hates this question, but okay, so you think you're a 10.
Okay, Sydney, what about you?
10.
Sydney?
I do it every time.
I thought you would have learned by now.
Do you not agree?
You like say a crappy lesson with it?
Yeah, I've learned that before.
Okay, so you're still a crappy lesson.
It's a fantastic lesson.
It doesn't matter.
Okay, so you're a 10.
Yeah.
Okay, she's a 10 Jubilee.
Seven.
Okay.
I don't know right now because I had an allergic reaction like a month ago and it still hasn't cleared up that much.
Let's just say pre-allergic reaction.
But wait, why isn't she hot with the allergic reaction?
It just messes with my self-esteem a lot.
Yeah, but not before, maybe like a seven and a half.
Maybe an eight.
Kiki?
Okay, she declines to answer.
Brandon?
A solid eight.
Oh, come on.
I give myself a six, 6.9 on a good day.
Oh, you guys.
I like the 6'9.
Does anybody want to revise their answer?
I have some makeup remover here.
We can't see that, but.
Oh, 6'9.
Huh?
So some days it's a 6, some days it's a 9.
Wait, it's upside down.
Wait, it's not.
I'm going to be an 11 if you give me that Neutrogena makeup remover.
Because I look better without makeup.
I'm not wearing any.
Because I'm like nearly 50.
I'm wearing eyelashes.
Right when I'm on the map.
I put them on yesterday.
Oh, yeah, she did my lashes too.
And my nails.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, by the way, guys, Jubilee.
Jubilee does nails in Santa Barbara.
So if you need your nails done, fellas, Mike Davis, and you're ever in Santa Barbara, hit her up.
She does it.
I'll do them on the show.
I'm doing them on the show.
Yeah, I guess.
I'm going to paint them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
Okay.
It was your idea, not mine.
Okay, so, okay, we have how many tens at the table?
Two.
We got two tens at the table.
I got a roast.
Forgive me, Santa.
And we're both from Sydney.
Oh, no.
No, no.
Because her name.
And you're from Australia.
I'm from Sydney.
It's a thing.
Nice.
Okay, so you guys are tens.
So that means that there are no women that are more attractive than you, correct?
No, because everybody should.
This is just showing you everybody's self-esteem.
Everyone's a 10.
Everyone's a 10 in my books.
We are all beautiful and worthy of being in love and loved and all of those things.
I just think it upsets me when everybody says that they're lower than a 10.
Like, come on, guys.
I mean, that's just delusion.
If everyone's a 10, that's just delusional.
Well, we shouldn't be rating each other in the first place.
We should be loving ourselves exactly the way we are.
Well, we all make judgment calls about people's various traits and either physical characteristics.
It's not good.
No, not at all.
So you have no standards or boundaries when it comes to who you pick to date?
The guy said on your looks.
Yeah, your looks.
That's a huge thing for both men and women.
Yeah.
I mean, there is things like talent crush, people who make you laugh.
You can find somebody so attractive in so many different ways.
I mean, I've dated everyone, like somebody who is paraplegic in a wheelchair to dwarfism.
I don't care.
I just think we're all beautiful and this shit needs to stop.
I'm sorry.
Well, I mean, that's a very idealistic.
I mean, perhaps you're an outlier, but the fact of the matter is, is that for most people, for both men and women, looks play a pretty major factor in picking a partner.
I don't think it's sad.
I think you should look at other things too.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And it's nice to take care of yourself.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm a health and wellness expert.
But at the end of the day, our intentions and our hearts are what's beautiful.
Bottom line.
I'd like to revise my answer then.
Good.
What?
I'm an eight with a great ass.
I have a really good ass, so I'm going to round it up.
A lot of good assets.
Fit check.
Fit check.
I mean, you can't say that and then not.
Absolutely not.
Follow my Instagram.
Anyone else want to revise?
I thought you were going to revise to a 10.
But okay, no, but if everyone's a 10, if everyone's a 10, then great.
What happened to you?
Okay, then, if, but if, okay, here's the thing.
Okay, if I think I'm a 10, I want to date a Victoria's Secret model.
Well, all of a sudden, everyone wants to date someone who thinks they're a 10, right?
Your confidence is what's attractive about you.
You say you're 10, I'm like, fuck, I need that guy now.
Because it's your confidence that makes you hot.
Yes, sir.
No, that's it's just that's pride, that's ego.
That's hubris.
Try those kind of got a point, Brian.
No, I think you should believe in yourself.
Yeah.
But to the point of delusion, I think Sydney said it one time, fake it till you make it.
I mean, to a certain degree, that is true when it comes down to if you project how other people are going to perceive you based on how you carry yourself with confidence, eventually they're going to have to eat it.
They're going to have to accept it because you're not giving them anything else to choose.
Because everything's energy.
Right.
We're all energy.
So when you said I'm a 10, even though he says, you said as a joke, I was like, oh, like, I just felt that from you.
Do you know what I mean?
It's just, and he's talking about it with such, like, do you want to revise your answer?
No, I still feel like I'm honestly angry.
Brandon, you're a 10.
No, I'll agree.
Come on.
Brandon's a 10.
Shake off the tattoos, grow some hair out, slick it back.
I would love to hear what all the viewers.
Somewhere in the nine ball farm.
You do not want to die.
No, you don't.
I don't think looks or confidence matters.
Oh, what matters having a driver's license?
My ass.
If you're just looking for somebody to fuck, then yes.
Wait, your ass.
That's what matters.
But if you're looking for someone that you actually have to.
I didn't say that.
Why did you say that?
You said your ass.
No, I didn't.
You just said, you literally just said my ass.
Wait, what?
Yes, you fucking do.
I think she drank too much of your wine, Brandon.
It's good wine.
Okay, no, but...
It's great wine.
Okay.
Let it go.
It's not going to change.
I'm going to.
Why not?
Because you do this every time.
Every time.
Sydney, one of these days I will.
Then you can rate us.
Go ahead.
Oh, hell no, he cannot.
Hell no, he cannot.
Sydney, one of these days I'm going to be able to articulate such a convincing argument that I will be able to change your view on this.
Okay.
Here, let me try.
Let me do an attempt.
So you two are tens.
Where's the magazine covers?
That's the problem with the magazine covers.
In case you haven't seen it.
I've been on some billboard covers.
Does that count?
It's not a magazine, but like.
Billboards?
Yeah, for my for, yeah, for Shields.
Back at home in Reno, Shields, like a sports.
Oh, Reno.
I mean, okay.
Now, hold on, though, because Shields is like the largest sporting goods store in the world.
You're a Reno 10.
No, but, yeah, Reno's a little gutto.
But no, so Shields is like the largest sporting goods store in the world.
Well, we had the largest ones in Reno alone, but it's like in Texas and like multiple states.
I got to be on that.
That was cool, that's not like a, that was cool.
I just want to throw that out there.
Okay.
All right.
I guess you're the super model then.
Thanks.
But okay, here's the thing: like if you're a 10, then you're not able, you're not, you don't have an accurate self-assessment of where you stand on the sexual marketplace, on the dating marketplace, in the relationship marketplace, in the marriage marketplace.
Wow.
For you.
Yeah, wow.
Listen to where his headspace is going to be.
No, but you just, you don't have a reasonable assessment of where you stand.
Good to know where your headspace is at.
Where's my headspace at?
Exactly where you said it.
What?
I'm just being realistic here.
Is that where his confidence is, where he just placed his headspace?
And you date at the level of your self-esteem.
You want to date a Victoria Secret model?
By the way, they're all different shapes and sizes right now.
Okay, but I, look.
Well, so this is the redefining beauty.
Right now, this is a very old conversation.
Delusion, slave mind, slave programming.
We're redefining.
We are rewarding obesity is what we're doing.
Listen, healthy.
You're talking about the overweight, obese women who are.
It doesn't mean that those women aren't beautiful or deserve love.
That's not what I'm saying.
Also, a healthy body looks different on every person.
I'm sorry, but if you're obese, you're not healthy.
But you can be also fit and lean and not necessarily well.
Sure, but if you're obese, you are necessarily unhealthy.
But are you hot?
No.
Oh, so sorry, but that's ouch.
That's yikes.
I mean, that's my personal view.
I don't think that's a good idea.
And so isn't it beautiful that everybody has different tastes in colors, sizes, ages, all that sort of thing?
And this is what makes us so gorgeous is because what you think's hot is different.
And so when you say rate yourself, this is why I say everybody just needs to rate themselves a 10 because what we like, what you like, everyone likes different things.
But most people can probably agree.
Yes, most men don't want to date obese women.
And I would say most women.
Wow.
Most women don't want to date obese men.
Do you realize how unhealthy being obese?
How is this shocking to you for someone to say that?
I'm a health and wellness coach.
I've seen a lot of people who are very overweight having an amazing sex life, a very healthy relationship.
Sure.
Even more so than people who look like magazine cover models and not necessarily happy or in loving relationships.
I have no problem with people who are overweight or obese, having a partner, finding love.
That's what we're talking about, racing.
No, but that's fine.
But you cannot say that someone who's obese is in good health.
I didn't say that.
We're talking about rating ourself in terms of sexual attraction.
But you asked if I was, what did you ask if I was attracted to?
Yeah, we're talking about sexual attraction.
We're not talking about health.
You asked if I was attracted to women who are overweight and obese.
My answer was no.
No, I didn't.
But it's okay.
We're all attracted to different things.
What do you want to say, Aman?
Go ahead, come on.
Nothing.
I have no thoughts.
You have thoughts.
No, none.
You've got thoughts.
No, I like obese people.
They're cool.
Question.
It's not.
Let me just finish this.
I don't dislike.
I don't dislike obesity.
Galezzo.
I don't have a hatred of obese people.
I don't find I'm not attracted to obese women.
That's okay.
Why is this a hot take?
No, that's not a hot take.
And women can have the same exact standard.
I don't have a double standard on this.
If a woman doesn't want to date a guy who's obese, that's totally fine.
We all have preferences.
We all have preferences.
but I don't see why there's such a pushback on me having see this is the thing Men are not allowed to have boundaries, preferences, no standards.
No, you had boundaries and you've told me what you like.
And I also think it's important that you have your own preference.
But the point is about rating.
We're all talking about rate women.
You can go back to rating.
That's why, in context, that's what we're talking about.
And what I'm saying is the obese woman can be a 10.
That's all I'm saying.
And your preference and your decision is different.
But that's what's so beautiful about us all is that we all lack different things, but we're all still a 10.
I mean, perhaps for some people, someone who's obese could be a 10, but there are generalized beauty standards.
You can line up 100 people and they can all kind of come to a bit of a consensus over, you know, ranking and determining someone's physical attractiveness.
And I'd say if you line up 100 men, probably 95, 90% of them are going to say, I'm not attracted to women who are overweight.
Oh, it's so sad.
It makes me sad.
Why?
Some of my most beautiful friends aren't a size eight, and they are stunning.
And her partner, for example, is a hot tell you what's a preference.
As soon as women start dating men shorter than them, fine.
I thought I have.
Did cheated on me with his act.
I'm five feet and I have.
Good girl.
No, it's not a good girlfriend.
Do what you want.
411?
Okay, well, I can, I mean, that's like they're hard to find, too.
0.01.
That are my age that are like shorter than me.
Yeah, no, I know.
That's a very small percentage.
I know.
I'm short.
I'm kind of tiny.
But like, you know, like, okay, but you're going to tell me that, broadly speaking, women don't have a height preference for men who are talking about.
Everyone has a different preference.
Yeah.
You guys don't want to.
Go yell it back at her.
I'm not of this.
I'm not yelling.
I'm just like, we're having a debate here.
I said we move on.
No, no, we'll continue.
You continue.
You wanted debates.
You wanted different opinions.
No, I'm not upset.
I'm just engaging in the debate.
Good.
And I don't know who your audience is, but I'm sure that there are some people that are overweight.
And it's important for them to understand that they're also a 10.
And that's what I care deeply about.
You're not.
No.
Okay.
Because you're basically labeling them that they should rate themselves.
Whoever asked that question, they're the ones that we should be yelling at.
We shouldn't be rating ourselves.
I mean, if you want to break down, if you want to break down the rating thing, we can look at face.
We can look at physique.
We can look at various factors.
It's getting worse.
It's not worse.
I mean, we all make these sorts of judgments.
It's a natural human process.
I met a guy with dwarfism.
He, like, you want to break him down?
He's one of the hottest men that I've met since I've been in LA.
He's got the most beautiful heart.
And he said to me at the age of 11, he considered committing suicide.
And he is so glad that he's still around today.
And that conversation I had with him on the red carpet of a pre-Emmy Soiree has stuck with me now because that is hot.
Somebody who decides to love himself and rates himself a 10 and decided not to take his life.
That's hot.
I'm not advocating people should delete themselves if they don't consider themselves a 10.
But like, let's be realistic here.
Most women are not going to date a guy who is a dwarf.
Whoa, okay, that needs to stop.
What?
No, I agree with him.
Most women generalize.
So here's the thing.
But yes.
And so if you believe that, then why not use your platform in a positive way to change that?
Because that's the reason why that guy wanted to take his life at the age of 11 in the first place.
Because of this conversation.
On an individual level, people are free to have the preferences, standards, and boundaries they want.
Some women...
I'm not telling you to date him or die.
I'm just saying consider him as an attractive person when you get talking to him.
But attraction, when you say attraction, that's something that somebody else feels.
Nobody is owed attraction.
I know, but that's the problem is that we don't give men a chance.
Sydney doesn't have anything.
Women don't give men a chance because they won't even get to know them.
Just have a conversation and watch their eyes light up.
Physical right now.
Yeah, we're talking about physical.
Okay, I just want to make sure because...
Oh my God, you guys are so...
No, well, you're like, it's not shallow.
We're also just like, we're talking here about physical, and you're like, agree with your points.
But like, you're coming in and you're just like, oh, well, like, you know, this gentleman was talking about this and he almost took his life at that.
Like, his heart was so beautiful.
Like, we're just talking like physical lines.
Okay, so you said we're shallow.
The conversation is becoming shallow.
Yeah.
Do you have fake tits?
What about how before we went on air?
Do you have plastic?
What about before we went on air, you told me to take off my jacket?
I'm not criticizing you.
No, because you know what sells.
You're a smart guy.
I know what sells, and I put the heater on so it's going to get hot.
Exactly, so I can take off my clothes.
You're talking.
I'm smart.
I know what's going on.
I'm 50, man.
Like, you're accusing us of being shallow, and I'm asking if you have plastic surgery.
That you find that this to be one of my most attractive qualities.
I'm a NAS guy.
But what I'm saying is that when you get away from that, if you have a BBL, it's a wrap.
No BBL is for me natural.
Let's talk about your dick.
Wow.
I don't want a natural drink.
I'm not going to ask for that.
Okay.
I am okay.
We're done here.
I think you guys are doing great bantering, though.
We can leave if you would like.
No, I think I'll leave and you can all talk out.
No, I'm.
But okay, you've accused, here's the thing.
You've accused.
You've accused me.
You've accused some of the other people.
You've accused of what?
Of being shallow.
I'm saying the conversation is getting shallow if we keep talking about only superficial.
But that's just the flow of the conversation.
And I'm asking, you're talking about superficiality, but you have plastic surgery.
No, I'm not saying that.
I don't think we should use plastic surgery against that.
I think it's also an age gap thing.
Yeah.
But we're all in our 20s.
So yes, we are superficial.
I'm 33, bro.
This is the wisest thing that has been said so far.
I'll be real.
I'm 22.
I like looks.
I like things that are that look good.
I like hot guys.
I like hot girls.
And that's the stage of life that I'm in right now.
Maybe in two or three decades, I will be looking for someone with a golden heart.
Right now I'm looking for not that.
But there's nothing wrong with that.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't think there's anything wrong with it either.
And you know what?
She's right.
It's really an intelligent answer because when you do live a little bit more life and you go through a lot of hardship, trauma, life experience, whatever it is that you go through, you start to realize what's important.
That was the longest answer you ever got from that question, huh?
Ever.
Can we ask the question?
You know, does this depend on if people are looking for a partner or an accessory?
Because there is a huge difference.
So the perspective before you really start splitting hairs on this topic, are people just looking for someone that looks good, they can bring around, have sex with, and not really care where it goes?
Or are they looking for a righteous partner, someone they can pair with and be with and have all these type of things?
Even if you want to have sex with someone and you want to, and I always say do it safely, like wear protection.
If you're going to rent a car, rent a car, do you want to get a beat up ride?
But you can have the hottest I've had intimacy with somebody who is a model, but they look at themselves in the mirror when they're doing it.
What?
Yeah.
What?
Yeah.
So just because their magazine cover hot.
They look at themselves having sex in the mirror?
Yeah.
Like they're attracted to themselves.
That's kind of cool.
But what I'm saying, by the way, I'm guilty of this.
But what I'm saying is sometimes you look at it.
What I'm saying is every single scenario is unique, right?
It's like you can't just pinpoint and package it up and go just because this person's hot is going to be like that and this person's overweight, therefore it's going to be like that.
We just got to look at everybody in an individualistic way.
But that's how it usually starts is most people are looking at looks first and then we start assessing personality and other traits.
Yeah, but you're saying that people don't find overweight women hot and that's what they're saying.
That's where I have begged to differ.
Like I said, one of my best friends is not a size eight.
Okay, here, let's ask the chat.
Chat.
Yeah, but that's not the person.
That's fine.
We'll ask them anyway.
That's not your whole world.
One in the chat if you are not attracted to obese women.
Two in the chat if you are attracted to obese women.
The way you word it, you're getting the answer that you want because you're calling it a obese.
So you're not looking past anything else.
You know, one woman might have the biggest ass ever and the tiniest waist and the hottest face.
Whatever you decide, like you're visualizing something that is like, I don't know what you're even doing.
Obesity is a very specific word.
This is almost, it's medical terminology.
We went from rating to obese, medically obese.
And yes.
We were just playing with numbers.
Yeah, and he's also playing with.
We just wanted to play with semantics.
That's over here.
It's just word semantics, really.
It's just words.
I mean, I go for a look.
I mean, the first thing you see is their looks.
Like, a personal experience, there's a guy, he was six foot nine.
Loved it.
There's obviously a lot of passion behind where she's coming from.
She's coming from a very passionate point of view, and I can respect that.
But I think Brian generally is just, you know, black and white.
Like I said, if you had a lineup of people and you pick a date, are you going to go out of your way because you want to be a humanitarian about it and be nice and pick somebody that would be not who you really want to date?
I'm not saying that you don't have to date.
I'm saying people want to date people who are overweight.
I'm saying that people actually find overweight people attractive.
And not just that.
We're going in circles.
I'm like bored about this.
Exactly.
Okay.
So are there people that find overweight or obese women attractive?
Yes.
And you're only saying women.
How many people on this panel on your audience are actually overweight and not with a six-pack?
I don't know.
Exactly.
But do I think that they're not hot and I should rate them less than a 10?
No.
End of story.
Great.
Next topic.
Next topic.
End of story.
No, Sydney, stop.
Okay.
Okay.
He doesn't want me to have the last word.
No, no, I'm just going to respond.
There is no last word.
I'm just going to respond to what you just said.
So I just repeat what you said again.
Sorry.
It's all right.
The listeners got it.
We can move on.
No, but just repeat it again.
No, it's okay.
I've said it.
You can play it back.
I can't play it back, but okay.
So I'm saying that the listeners on your show don't all have six packs.
And I feel that they should still rate themselves a 10 in terms of how they feel they look in terms of attractiveness because there's someone out there for everyone.
And just because they don't look like a model with a six pack doesn't mean that they're not hot.
And I can tell you right now that they deserve all the love and confidence because everyone finds everything different.
You like this, he likes that, she likes this.
So there is going to be someone that actually finds that person attractive too.
And that's the end of the story.
Sure, yes.
There are people out there.
There are people that will find someone who's, for example, obese attractive.
That's fine.
But I'm speaking in, we have to speak in generalities here.
You're using the word obese, but I never said obese.
I just said in terms of rating something.
Okay, the way we got to it was I said that I would, I don't think I'd be able to score a Victoria's Secret model.
But a Victoria Secret model is also overweight.
And then you started saying, and I'm not privy, I'm not caught up on the who's Victoria's Secret model right now.
I know Calvin Klein has some obese overweight models.
Well, Victoria's Secret banned size eight models since the pandemic.
No, but I'm just keeping you up to date because you said you don't know, and it's a thing.
I don't know what the women's size eight models, underweight models are no longer attractive, honey.
I don't know what the woke companies are doing with getting you up to date.
Plus-size models.
I don't know.
But I'm thinking like when I say a Victoria's Secret model, I'm talking think 10 years ago before that, the whole let's just get plus size models thing was a thing.
I'm not going to land.
Who's a fucking notable Adriana Lehman?
I'm not landing Adriana Lima in her prime.
She won't find it hot.
Bro, you don't.
It's not about my attitude.
Like, it's, no.
It's just, it's a status thing.
It's a physical appearance thing.
It's about something else.
No, no, no.
You know what you like now.
I just feel like I can't even speak on this because I'm skinny.
I mean, you can have an opinion on something even if you're not.
So, okay.
I don't think we're going to come to a common ground on this.
I'm just going to say that this is why you basically have women who are chasing after the top 10 to 20% of men and wondering why those men won't commit to those women.
Because if you have women who just all think they're nines and tens, they think they're deserving of a guy who's a nine or a ten.
So it's just delusion.
Average women are not attracted to average men.
I just told you you were hotter when you said you were a 10.
Just think about that.
Okay, but I consider myself like a pretty modest, humble person.
I'm never going to say I'm a 10 because there's certain aspects of my facial features.
I can articulate why I don't think I'm a 10.
You're not going to convince me that I'm a 10.
And that's why you won't be with Adriana Lima and the likes.
Okay, even if I think I'm a 10, even my self-perception doesn't change my outward facing appearance.
You can talk about the secret and putting it out into the universe.
I'm not going to, even if I consider myself a 10, I'm not going to be able to get every single woman.
No, this isn't, this is the opposite is what's wrong with the world.
People having an over-inflated sense of self and thinking they're hot shit when they're not.
That's ego talking.
I'm talking from a real heartfelt space.
I think I'm a good person, but I have a reasonable self-assessment of my physical attractiveness and where I stand on the sexual marketplace.
Whoever you decide to shack up with, make sure she thinks you're a 10.
And then you believe her.
I don't even need the girl I'm with to think I'm a 10.
Then stop rating.
Bottom line.
Like I said, if anyone's going to have an argument here, it's with the person who said, all rate yourself.
Because that is so yesterday.
Seriously, I'm done with rating.
I mean, look, you can say that, but it's a natural human process to make assessments about potential partners, potential people we're going to sleep with, potential people we're going to hook up with, a potential wife, potential husband.
Maybe for you, that's fine.
Maybe you want to view things in that way.
That's totally fine.
But we have to operate in reality here.
Most people care about looks and appearance.
Okay, wait.
Sorry.
Can I jump in?
Go ahead.
Just because I want to turn this on its head, does anyone have hot take 10s?
Like someone you think is a 10, which is a hot take?
Well, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, who landed up having an affair with his maid.
Was she a 10?
I think you're going to write.
She was convenient.
Yes.
But you're going to write, but he thought she was a 10.
She was there.
He was a little bit more.
And that's the difference between fuckable and datable.
That's what I'm saying is like 10 could mean anything.
Exactly.
Someone might be a 10 when you're in a certain mood at a certain time and place.
Yeah, girl.
Okay, but you could survey a thousand people and show them a series of photos of people of supposed varying degrees of attractiveness.
He said Trump 2024.
You could do that.
And people, some people, there might be some slight differences in how they rate, but most people are probably going to like, okay, this one, she's really attractive, this one, more average.
People are going to have to some degree a consensus.
Defoe.
I mean, we can all agree.
Like, Brad Pitt in his prime wasn't, and even today at 58 or whatever, is an exceptionally physically attractive individual.
You ask most people that, they'll say yes.
Not my type.
Cool.
Brad Pitt in his prime.
Okay, what's your type?
Not blonde.
Okay.
I'm a microphone.
She wouldn't date Brad Pitt in this problem.
I don't like blondes.
I don't care.
Oh, my God.
We were just watching the movie Hairspray, and we both agreed that Zach Efron and that.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, Zach Efron in that movie.
Zach Efron and anything.
Zach Efron now?
Zach Efron and Executive.
Yeah, if you see he fucking butchered his looks.
Yeah, thank you.
Back in 2007.
Is that true he got?
I didn't want to cut you off.
Is that true he got plastic surgery?
Because I saw him with his jaws.
I see.
He's on like fucking gnarly steroids and shit.
He's got void gut.
And his face, his proportions look kind of weird.
I just want to add, I would actually date a dwarf.
Just saying, I'll throw that out there.
They're hot blondes.
Oh my God.
They're hot.
My DMs are open.
I would date a dwarf, so I don't want to.
You got the verified checkmark.
I can help you out.
Whatever has the verified channel.
If you know a dwarf, a female dwarf in Santa Barbara.
Oh, they're in LA.
Okay, tell them to commute and all that.
Okay.
Got it.
All right.
My DMs are open.
My DMs are open.
But.
Yikes.
Okay.
I mean, but okay, what you have, actually, we have some, the girls were nice enough to provide us with their dating profiles.
So we're going to do it.
Guys, we're going to do a review of their dating profiles.
No.
Yeah, and...
You're past the bottle.
I'll do that.
But here's what's going on on dating apps is, and this sort of relates to the whole rating thing, is that on dating apps, the top 10, top 20% of men on dating apps are sleeping with all the women.
What does top 10, top 20% mean?
Just like in terms of their appearance.
Wait, is there, like, statistics of, like, wait, I'm just confused.
What do you mean when like, so there's a pool of men, there's a top 20, or top 10, top 20% of men that are the hottest?
Yes.
Where do I find that?
On Tinder.
On dating apps, the most attractive men get all the women.
There's a literal like pool of 10 to 20 of the top.
Let's say there's, okay, let's say there's a thousand guys, a thousand men and a thousand women all using Tinder.
Let's say, so the top 10%, 100 of those guys are going to be sleeping with 800 of the women.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
800 of the women are going to be chasing after the top 100% of the people.
So there's not like a literal pool of them, but there's like people that are reaping more benefits because they're getting more success on those apps.
And it's like a small amount of people.
Because men will gladly sleep with women who are less attractive than them.
Right.
Okay.
I see.
Men will sleep down, but they won't commit to you.
They'll sleep with you, but they won't commit to you because it's easy access to sex.
Because listening girls, you're going to give it up.
You're going to give up that shit.
What's that?
I do that too.
What do you do?
I sleep with people who are less attractive than me.
Do you?
Oh.
Yes.
Yes.
I regret a lot of them.
well okay what what is the circumstances in which you're um I mean it was one of them was my childhood crush and he's just ugly now but I did still but okay there's So there's another other factor there, right?
Well, yeah.
And then there's the there's two others who I just slept with them.
They convinced me to, but they were not attractive.
Okay.
Anyways, I only let's stop talking about attraction.
We're moving on from the.
There's one guy.
I slept with him just because he was six foot nine.
Well, that's a physical.
I mean, a man's height is a UCSB baller?
Baseball.
I was going to say the UCSB basketball team has to like seven foot.
Okay, so for women, height is an attraction trigger.
So, I mean, that's a physical attraction thing.
That's insane.
How did he fit?
How big was his peen?
He also was on a bunk.
Jesus Christ.
On the top.
He was like texting me.
I was like, Jubilee, you're a degenerate.
You're such a degenerate Jubilee.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
Much love.
Okay.
Okay, let's do some super chats.
Then we'll react to the dating profiles of the girls on the panel.
This is our first time doing that, by the way, guys.
Okay, so we have, I believe, yo, Leonardo No Caprio, thank you for the 10 Canadian dollars.
Jabba, you poor thing, your beloved ex was co-opted by ominous forces.
His tragic demise is a common tale.
It's not an accident.
Okay, Leonardo Nocrio, thank you for the Merci Bucou pour pour leci.
Okay.
Miguel Cisneros, thank you for the $10 super chat.
Appreciate it.
Seems like the Aussie has really great assets.
Fit check.
Andy?
Oh, thank you for your compliment.
Okay.
You want to do a fit check?
All right, Leonardo No Caprio, Merci Bucou.
Thank you for the $10 super chat.
Crikey, that Aussie is a milk.
Who piped it down better, Tyrion Lannister or Officer Joe Swanson?
Oh, I should get the, wait, yo.
Can I just say, you're a genius in terms of good cop, bad cop banter.
Amazing.
This is why you've got the YouTube awards all around you.
Oh, thanks.
Thanks.
Actually, wait, Sydney, could you grab something from the bathroom for us?
Yeah.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Could you grab that photo of the in the bathroom?
Leonardo No Caprio, en varé tournais ha.
Ebien, Mike Davis with the $10 super chat.
I love obese people from my.
Why am I still speaking?
Okay, I love obese people from a business perspective.
Those fatties put bread in my pocket, so I can't complain.
Might have to create a quadruple whopper for some of those creatures.
Andy.
I was checking.
Hold on.
Hold on.
No, no, no, I haven't seen it.
Wait, Eric, pull up the tab.
Pull up the Burger King tab really quick.
Pull up the, wait.
And here we have Mike Davis.
See, he agrees with you because he's a proprietor of seven Burger Kings.
He's benefiting from it.
He's benefiting from the obesity.
That's why I question everything.
Yes, it's the Matrix has us.
Okay.
So, Andy.
Checked him out already when I was in the bathroom.
Speaking of.
He's got beautiful eyes.
Would you have to get to know him?
Would you pipe?
Would you pipe?
Andy.
I hope that you're not making fun of this gorgeous man, and I would definitely go on a date and get to know him.
Never make fun of someone with a crossbow.
Okay.
And he is in your bathroom.
Why is he there and not out there?
And Peter Dinkledge is a fantastic.
Well, because I don't want to spoil anyone for Game of Thrones, but yeah, here it is.
This is in my bathroom.
And it's kind of nerd comedy.
Okay.
Anybody's moving on?
Moving on.
Beautiful.
Thank you, Sydney, for grabbing that for me.
Much appreciated.
All right, we got.
Let's just bring this back up for context.
Okay.
Oh, wait, we got that one.
Robert Gardner, Merci Bucou for the rating from the right.
Six, too self-involved, six cute, but not ten.
Five, four, too many tats.
No offensive to guy there.
I don't know if my right or my left.
I'm not sure, yeah.
But Robert, thank you for the, I guess, the official rating of the night.
Everyday, Edgar, $10.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Sorry, Brian, you're wrong here.
I prefer my women with type 2 diabetes, hypertension, and increased risk of stroke.
How do we know that he's not suffering from cardio, whatever, myocarditis from whatever else that's going on this day and age?
So just because...
Are you talking about the Jews?
Are you talking about the vaccine?
juice.
Oh, I thought, never mind.
Okay.
But there's a lot of myocarditis going around.
Yeah.
Everyday Edgar, can you confirm or not if you have heart issues?
Yeah, we really want to know.
DJ Burnout, merci beaucoup pour le Canadien 10.
Vraiment, c'est très bien.
Merci beaucoup.
Eh bien, it's not about overweight women.
It's about overweight people.
You can find them attractive, but it's down to your own preferences.
That girl is just being sad.
Sevre, but I'm not sad.
Okay, she is not sad.
By the way, guys, get your 10, your super chats in here.
And we will get to them shortly.
Okay, let's do the very excited for this.
Hold on.
Don't pull it up quite yet, Eric.
So guys, we are going to review the girl's dating app profiles.
This is going to go wild.
Okay, Eric, if you want to go ahead and pull it up.
Okay, so we have Jubilee here.
We have Jubilee here first.
This is from her bumble profile.
Okay, this is her first one.
She has her pronouns in the bio there, so that's already kind of an eyebrow raise, I guess.
Just kidding.
I'm kidding.
We got, okay, she does nail artists at her home.
And golden hour photo there, so her, you know, she's not as pale.
I took that.
She doesn't look quite as pale as she does.
And you see all her tattoos.
Next one, Eric.
And then this is her profile.
Take me to Olive Garden, and you automatically win.
DMs are open, Java underscore 31.
Okay, so that means that means that she's honestly just trying to grow her Instagram following if her Instagram is in the thing.
She's 5'6.
She's a Gemini yikes.
Not that I believe in that bullshit.
She's a college dropout, apparently.
She smokes weed frequently.
She smokes cigarettes.
She's looking for something casual, which means I'm too slow with this.
Sorry, guys.
She belongs to the streets.
And she does not want children.
No, thank you.
And apparently she likes takeout hip-hop country comedy and dogs.
So you don't want children ever?
I don't see them in my future.
I love working.
Oh, okay.
And then the something casual thing.
I don't know where I, like, I don't want.
I want a relationship.
Don't, so I'd rather just have something casual and just see where that goes.
Okay, so you just want to hit and quit it?
No, I'm in something kind of casual right now-ish.
With how many people?
Just one?
Only one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's see the next one.
After work, you can find me getting tatted.
Exhibit A over here.
I got one on Sunday.
No, yeah.
Bring it back.
Next one.
Okay, next one.
These are probably just photos at this point, but keep going.
Okay.
Next one.
Okay.
Next one.
All right.
And stay here for a sec.
So, okay.
Chat.
Do you swipe left?
So wait, left is.
Left is no.
Left is no.
Right is no.
Right is yes.
Chat.
Do you swipe yes or no on Jubilee?
Is that Goku on your fucking ankle or shin?
It's a tattoo.
Is that Goku Super Saiyan?
What tattoo is that?
It's a skull.
My artist designed it.
Nah, bruv.
That's fucking Goku Super Saiyan.
Level 2.
Okay, chat.
Do you swipe left or right?
Oh, the chat is saying.
Oh, man.
Jubilee, unfortunately.
It's a no.
Okay.
I get some good messages.
I'm going to take you to Olive Garden.
Yeah, we're going to go to the next one.
I would swipe right.
Yeah.
Let's get one.
I'm there.
Eric, can you open one of the doors, please?
I get some good.
People love the tattoos.
I don't know.
That's like the one that the old guy talked to me about.
I'll be walking on the street.
It's all people talk to me about.
Eric, can you go the next one?
And now we have.
Oh, okay.
Next one.
All right, now we have Emma here.
This is her hinge profile.
All right, she's got her pronouns in the bio, just in case you have questions about her gender.
She's 22, 5'3.
I don't know what the emojis are.
She would order for the title.
I tied order oysters and martial arts.
Okay, cool.
All right, next one.
She's a personal stylist.
Graduated from UCSB, putting it to good use.
From Marin County, that might be a red flag.
And this is her.
What's going on here?
I'm in a Rolls-Royce with the stars on the roof.
Your sugar daddy?
No.
Actually, my best friend Talia.
Shout out Talia if you're watching.
Her sugar daddy does.
Her sugar daddy does.
Of course, the truth reveals itself.
It's not mine.
But it's your friend's sugar daddy's.
Okay.
Next one, go ahead.
Do you only hang with guys who have roles, lol?
And then you responded yes.
Okay.
She's got memes on her dating profile.
Next one.
I'm looking for an absolute lover boy.
Okay, and then this is you at looks like a little event.
Looking doing the over-the-shoulder.
Little cute little look there.
Okay.
Wait, so when you say you're looking for an absolute lover boy, what does that mean?
Someone who's obsessed with me.
I don't really get that from the lover boy thing, but okay, you're looking at a lover boy, like someone who's like in love with me, worships the ground I walk on.
From the jump?
I don't know.
Eventually.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Let's do the next one.
Okay, IG.
That's my Instagram.
And how do you say your last name?
Hanukkah.
Like Hanukkah, but with an O, it means flower girl in Japanese.
So you're half white, half Japanese?
I'm Japanese-Irish-American.
Okay, rock and roll, rock and roll.
Is your dad is Irish-American?
And your mom's.
Japanese.
But you're waiting.
Are your parents still together?
No.
Did you revert to your mother's last name?
Hanukkah is my middle name.
Oh, okay.
That's not your last name.
No, yeah.
I go by my middle name because nobody can pronounce, spell, or say my last name.
Sure, sure, sure.
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Next one, Eric.
Wait, actually, hold on, stay on this one.
So the IG thing in the dating bio.
Yeah.
When I see that, that suggests to me you're just trying to get some followers.
No, I just, I don't have that many pictures up, and I have way, I have like, you know, a bunch of pictures on my Instagram, so check me out.
I like to stock.
I feel like guys do too.
I think it's really important for people to actually present their other forms of social media to ascertain whether the person's a fake profile or not, because you could be chatting to someone on a dating app and not realize that they're not even real.
So at least she's being transparent and you can check her out and see she's a real person.
I rather talk in the DMs than like on the dating.
I look better on Instagram too.
This is just five pictures and two memes.
Okay.
Next one, Eric.
And a picture.
This could be us.
Okay, so you want, are you the cat or are you the kitty?
You're the kitty.
It's a little spring.
Yeah.
Okay, good to know.
Good to know.
Go ahead.
Or wait, sorry.
Stay on this one.
Or actually, can you go back?
I don't know if you can go back.
Fuck, I don't know the code for it.
I guess you can go out of F11 and then you can go put it back on one of her photos, I guess.
So we'll ask the chat.
Okay, here.
I mean, they're already.
I don't think the chat could handle me, to be fair.
Okay, chat.
Do you swipe yes or swipe no?
Do you swipe left or swipe right?
On, well, I think on Hinge, it's X or no.
It's X or heart, so yes or no.
Chat, do you swipe yes or no on Emma?
Wait, is it yes or no or left or right?
Left is no.
Left is also a no, just because, yeah.
Hinge is a bit different, but.
God damn, y'all are brutal.
Oh my god.
There's a couple rights.
I thought I was going to find the love of my life in this chat.
Oh my gosh.
My heart's broken.
Your heart is broken.
Unfortunate.
Where am I going to find my lover boy now?
That's a good question.
Not here.
Yeah.
Okay, let's go to the next one.
All right.
We have Sydney here.
Big Sydney in the house.
Sorry, I didn't send me like that.
Big dog, Sydney.
Okay, Sydney, this is her Tinderer.
So we're doing a hat trick here of all the different dating apps.
Jim Junkie, always down for random adventure.
Oh, well, I think this will be in your bio.
So next photo.
Sydney, actress at actress, goes to UCSB.
What year are you?
This will be my last year.
Okay, tilt the microphone up towards you just a bit.
This is my last year.
And also, I did just take it out of my bio like a few days ago, but it used to say, like, I like dates, just at the end.
You like dates?
I like dates.
I think they're fun.
Okay.
So she's a gym junkie.
She's always down for random adventures, whatever that means.
She's a sports photographer, and she includes her Instagram.
She does not pet-free apparently.
I don't know if that's, you dislike pets or you just don't have any pets.
I'm not a crazy pet person.
Okay, that's fun.
And her interests, Netflix travel, foodie, movies, and her anthem, some dude I don't know.
Okay.
Next one.
Okay.
Filter.
All right.
Next one.
Yeah, that was the only one a long time ago.
Okay, that's her next photo.
All right, next one.
Okay, next one.
That's you taking a gym mirror selfie.
one next one next one i think this is the last one so we'll pause here Repping the what, repping the whatever background there.
So guys, that needs to be the first photo.
Cute.
Left or right, do you swipe left or right on Sydney?
Yes or no?
Left or right?
Yes or no.
On Sydney.
Or Thickney, as she's sometimes called.
In the chat.
Let's back that up.
What was that?
That's what they call you, Thickney.
When has anyone called me that?
That's what they call you.
What the hell?
I've never heard that.
Everyone in the chat is always like, Brian, bring Thickney back.
That's what they call me?
thickening.
I mean, have you seen yourself?
It's a compliment.
Shit, I've never, I didn't know I was called that.
Damn.
All right.
Okay, well, it looks like you're getting some yeses, so.
A lot of thickness, I've had to.
Okay, rock and roll, rock and roll.
Okay, so we have next one.
All right, we have Andy's profile here.
What dating app is this?
I forget.
No, just kidding.
I've just never been on the phone.
It's called the league.
The league.
All right, so Andy, 49, Beverly Hills, 5'7.
I'm not your average unicorn.
Okay, and often get told I look 15 to 20 years younger.
Okay.
Wellness is my life.
And then because it's this like league app, it just automatically takes everything from your LinkedIn profile.
Oh, that's weird.
Yeah, it's really weird.
I didn't, I only just screenshot one photo for you.
Okay.
And then next one?
There's no photo.
It just goes into bio.
Yeah, we'll see the bio.
Go ahead, Eric.
Oh, yeah, there's not much else there.
Okay.
So yeah.
Go back to the other one.
And there's just two for this one.
All right.
Okay, so you're not your average unicorn.
Yeah, because the thing is, we're all unique, but I feel like I'm really unique in terms of I'm obviously older, but look younger.
And so my energy's much younger as well.
And I do attract younger men, and they just match my energy.
I haven't dated somebody.
I haven't actually dated somebody my own age ever in my whole life.
So you have a kid, correct?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
You took some meals.
hold on but you were were you married to yeah i've been married before but anyone that i've ever How many times have you been married?
Once.
Okay, just once.
But anyone that I've ever been with.
Was younger than you?
Was always younger.
What was the closest age gap?
Probably the closest is five to six years, and the largest age gap is 22 years.
Wait, so hold on.
When you were 18.
No, no, I'm not telling you when that gap was.
I'm just saying that.
But when you were like 18, you said you've never dated anyone older than you.
I didn't start until I was 22.
You didn't start dating until you were 22?
I didn't have anything intimate until I was 22.
Okay, oh, so you lost your virginity at 22?
I lost my virginity when I was sexually assaulted when I was eight.
You pushed, I told.
Okay, all right, all right.
So.
So I'm not your average unicorn.
Yep.
Bong bong.
No sound effects for that one, is there?
But okay, so most of the men that you date are younger than you.
Yeah, and I think giving you a little bit of that history, because obviously I've had to do a lot of deep work and, you know, some growing and evolving around the very sad act of being a survivor, it does attract People who are younger than me, not just because of what I've had to go through, but also because of how I look.
I look younger, I act younger, and I attract younger.
I just haven't met anyone that's my age that has the same energy.
Hold on, I don't know why we were still on it.
Wait, did we do that?
Oh, yeah, we should have.
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the monitor, guys.
But oh, did we do swipe?
Did we do the swipe thing?
You guys saw it.
Swipe left or swipe right now.
I don't think it's appropriate to talk about after a heavy thing, but yeah, that's the reality.
Well, of course, because this is a show about it's live, you've got to be real, and it's been a very difficult life journey, but here I am, and I think it's half the reason why I'm aging slower because I've been able to deal with trauma and turn my trauma into wisdom.
Okay, so the unicorn thing, though, let's talk about that.
So, you're a unicorn.
I think that just answers it, though.
It's just basically, it's my way of describing that I'm different, you know, and we all are.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hold on.
What's the definition of a unicorn in like urban dictionary?
It's like sexually oriented, isn't it?
Isn't it?
Well, no, there's the unicorn thing where it's like someone looking for a third in their three.
That's what it was.
But that's not what it was.
Oh, wow, that's different interpretations.
Maybe they're horny.
What the.
I don't know.
I know that.
I think it's like Scotland or something.
That's their national animal.
I don't remember where.
What?
Yeah, I don't know if it's Scotland or not, but there's somewhere with the national animal of a unicorn.
Oh.
It's amazing.
Okay.
Anyways, whatever.
Unicorn, okay.
That kind of ties into that.
I guess everybody has a different definition of how they describe themselves because, you know, Emma was saying what that meant for her.
Remember when you were horny?
No, not unicorn.
Are you horny right now?
No, no, we're talking about the unicorn.
It's okay if you are.
No.
She's had some time.
It's okay.
She's wine drunk, okay.
No, I just thought we were talking about the unicorn and what it was.
No, when she said lover boy, like her definition of lover boy is different to my definition, to your definition, and my definition of unicorns about being really unique and different.
Totes.
Totes my goats.
Good times.
Okay.
I've never been more confused on this show.
This is my fourth time on, and I'm struggling to keep up.
Just a little bit.
You drink too much of the wine.
I only drink water.
How dare you?
Okay, so we have a video from Andy.
We have a video from your TikTok we're going to react to.
Don't worry, it's a good one, I think.
Where'd you find that so quickly?
It's on her TikTok.
Eric, can you pull up the video and play it?
By the way, I hardly...
There's three common mistakes that people...
Oh, yeah, this one's good.
Ooh, I'm excited.
I need to learn.
I hardly use TikTok, but I'm trying to.
Don't ever put, if you can make me laugh, then we'll get along.
It's not about what the person can do for you, but rather what you can actually contribute to the relationship.
What are you bringing to the table as well, instead of always looking for what they can give to you?
Don't start off the conversation with a compliment about their aesthetics.
People feel more connected and drawn to you when you give them a compliment about their character.
And that's what we're all looking for now.
Real connection.
Don't waste hours, days, or weeks chatting to someone that you haven't even ascertained if they're a real person.
Always suggest a video call to make sure that not only they're not a fake profile, but make sure that you do have connection before meeting up.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
It's so true, though.
Somebody, one of the audience said something like, just because you go to their Instagram doesn't mean that they're a real person.
That is so true because a lot of people make fake Instagram profiles too to try and pretend that they're a real person.
So you have to pick up the phone and do a video call with them.
And every dating app always has that now.
And then you don't have to give out your phone number so you can feel safe.
Sounds fine too.
Huh?
Snapchat?
Yeah, Snapchat.
Personally, I'm not FaceTiming someone before the date.
I'm not, like, I only FaceTime people that I'm very comfortable with, but before a first date, I'm not FaceTiming anyone.
I feel like that's what the first date is for.
And I don't know, like, I always have these certain Tinder rules, but like public place, not nighttime, you know, like no hiking, like shit like that.
But I am not, I'm not FaceTiming somebody before I go on a date with them.
I don't want to go through that.
That's a little bit awkward.
Like, I'm just not.
That's the whole thing.
Did the full video play, by the way?
Yeah.
Do you watch the full thing?
Yeah, that's not for me.
We're just talking about how to ascertain if they're a fake profile on a dating app before you meet up and you could just video call them.
And Sydney was saying she doesn't like doing that.
She likes to be the surprise when she meets them in real life.
Well, not necessarily a surprise.
It's just like it's awkward enough to have a first date and like you can vibe off of that.
I'm not going to like prop my phone up and have a conversation with a person like that.
I don't even like doing that with some of my friends, let alone a guy.
I agree with you.
I'll try to FaceTime Sydney and it's, I don't know, all the other stuff, I mean, I actually agree with you pretty much on everything in the video.
I don't like to do before a date, I won't do a FaceTime, but I will do, I'll try to get their Instagram so I can see the Instagram.
Because you can tell if it's really fake.
It's like a phone call.
I like to do a phone call, but FaceTime, that's kind of weird.
I'd rather the first time we see each other, that's face-to-face.
But I'll do a phone call before a first date.
If I have their Snapchat, they send me a picture or whatever, then I'm like, okay, cool.
I mean, most of the time, it's you.
I mean, just statistically speaking, it's unlikely that in any given scenario, you're getting like catfish or it's like a fake.
But a phone call, at least for me, if it's a woman's voice, like you're fine.
A lot of it's an obese one.
I'm probably okay.
Then I'm in trouble.
Then you gotta find out.
That just reminded me of something.
A few years back when I first came to America, I went on Tinder.
I matched with this amazing looking guy with a six-pack.
He was a violinist, a professional violinist.
And the guy that I was staying with said, don't you actually want to bring him to the house so I can check him out before you actually meet him?
I was like, good point.
I'm going to make him pick me up here so that you can meet him and we can suss him out for half an hour.
So he came over and he was actually very overweight.
He did not look like his photos.
And I remember at the time, like looking at my friend going, wow, like, because people put old photos of themselves or filters, but old photos is a whole thing as well.
I still went out with the guy and we ended up dating, had the best time.
I didn't even care what he looked like because he was the hottest violinist, sexy, tall, whatever.
Okay, so he didn't have a six-pack anymore.
Wasn't a thing.
But I'm just saying, make sure that you're okay with the person not looking like their photo.
And so that's why it's really good to just do a video.
So he looked much different than how he did in his photos?
Well, I mean, besides you not caring that from a physical perspective, to me that's like a deception there that on its face, on its own, is kind of like...
But because he rocked up to the house and had like a half-hour chat with my friend, I thought that was being honest and real too.
So I think it was a bit circumstantial.
I kind of gave him 10 points for that.
You gave him a pass.
Yeah.
Catfishing.
And I asked him about it and he said he was on some kind of like, I don't know, those meds that make you shredded and stuff.
And I'm like, good on you for not doing that shit anymore.
Okay.
All right.
Interesting.
I mean, I kind of understand that.
Like, I've been on like those dates.
Like, when I moved to Santa Barbara a year ago, like, I was bodybuilding.
And so like I was a lot like slimmer then than I was now.
What?
Nothing.
No, I was.
I was bodybuilding for a year when I first came out here and then I like hit college and I was like, I can't do that anymore.
But then, yeah, I don't know.
I can understand like the whole like getting to know a person before you go on the date.
Like the other night I like had a phone call with someone, but like FaceTime is just like, it's just awkward.
I can't, I can't.
Like I feel like that's what the first date is for.
You know, that way you do it in a public place at a restaurant and then you always like text your girlfriend like an emoji to call you and get you out of there.
I've definitely had that.
I was on a date like two weeks ago.
You'd know everything happened.
And I knew exactly what he looked like.
Everything was cool.
He was really attractive.
And I met up with him.
His personality was too much.
It was like a lot.
But he was really attractive, but I still like didn't talk to him anymore because his personality, we just did not vibe right.
But he was attractive, but that didn't matter to me.
I was like, his personality was just off.
So you could still be attracted to someone, but their personality, you're just like, no.
How was he being to whatever?
I don't know if he was nervous or what, or that's just his personality, but he didn't really let me get a word in.
And he was just talking a lot and kind of just about the most random things.
He didn't let you get a word in.
Because you're pretty talkative.
Yeah, I know.
That's what I was thinking.
But he kind of just started talking about the most random things ever.
Like what?
Just anything that was on top of his head.
Like, and just like talking out loud, like thinking out loud.
He must have been nervous.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, that's definitely a yikes when the person's just all they're doing is talking.
I mean, I talk a lot, but I was just surprised that like he seemed like cool.
We were texting for days before then.
And then, but my main point is that you could still think someone's attractive, but personality-wise, it's.
You know what, though?
I think men might fall into talking too much because a lot of men's experiences on a date is they show up and the conversational burden falls on the guy.
Yes.
I talk a lot.
So is that a problem for me?
If I show up on a date and I do what most girls do, which is just show up, if I didn't say anything, the girl would not say anything and it would be an awkward silence.
But to me, I think he's a good conversator.
You're a good communicator, though.
Maybe they're expecting that from you because I know you're a good communicator.
Am I, though?
I go and I talk.
You're 10.
I talk a lot.
So I was surprised that he would not let me get a word in.
And everything was fine.
He got me some Chick-fil-A.
I was like, fine with that.
But also, it's like raining, so we couldn't do a lot.
I honestly like it if the girl's just talking the entire time.
That's literally, that's I'd rather talk.
It's like at the end of the date, I'm like, God, it was so great.
Like, oh, what's he like?
I have no idea.
I talked about myself the entire time.
I was really talking about his friends.
It was just like a weird date.
And then we just not didn't talk after that.
Huh?
Wow.
Yeah.
So you guys hooked up then?
No.
No?
No.
He got you Chick-fil-A.
He did.
That wasn't enough to seal the deal.
No.
Jabba.
Love you, my Chick-fil-A though.
Okay.
What was the first part of the video?
It was something about standards, right?
Oh, it was like people in their dating profiles, they often list, here's what I'm looking for.
Here's what I want.
If you can make me laugh, then we'll get along.
A lot of people do put that.
They're like, make me laugh.
And then we'll be an item.
It's like, what are you bringing to the table?
Yeah.
Like, you should be advertising yourself instead of saying, what can you make me do?
Here's what I want.
Instead, you should say, here's how I'm cool.
Here's what I'm going to contribute to these.
I mean, I said take me to Olive Gardens.
Yeah.
I've gotten offers.
Are you memeing or is that legit?
No, I love Olive Garden.
I really want to.
Yeah, I don't like it.
Olive?
Hold on.
Oh, she's very serious.
I'm really serious about it.
You're telling me you like Olive Gardens?
Oh, yeah.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
I love it.
It's so good.
They've never had any pasta right now.
I'm not changing my mind.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
I'll make her drive you.
If you say so.
If you say so.
Okay, so question.
Let's speak a bit about standards, right?
Who do you think has more unrealistic standards, men or women?
Let's start over here with you.
Actually, let's start with Brandon.
No, wait.
Let's do the girls, then we'll do Brandon.
Oh, I want to do Brandon.
I don't want to.
I kind of want to hear what he has to say.
I kind of want to hear what he has to say.
Actually, we can, on this one.
A lot of people want to hear what I got to say.
A lot of people want to do Brandon.
First and foremost, right?
Everybody's talking about this fake, artificial world of, you know, communicating via your cell phone, your laptop, whatever.
It's fake.
It's fucking fake.
There's real people on there posting stuff.
They may have actually went to a place and took the picture, but in general, anybody can fake a life they're having online.
So to sit down and have a real conversation about real values and real things that people are interested in or not interested in, going off a demographic of fake, an artificial world that people can create and make whatever they want does no one justice.
And you're never going to find an answer, and that's why you go around and around in circles over it because there's no real way to get any kind of justice out of being real from a fake platform.
You know, some people are real about their shit, but 90% of the people are fake as fuck.
You know what I'm saying?
And, you know, that for me is a turnoff.
It's a turn off.
It's not real.
I'm not interested in it.
You know what I'm saying?
And, you know, there's people dropping chats.
I'm sorry, but I had to read a couple of them.
You know what I mean?
But, you know, yeah, that's it for me, man.
I mean, when it comes down to social media, it's fake.
I don't take it serious.
When I came out of prison and people were texting me, man, don't text me.
I don't like that.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Are you serious?
Was that an insult?
Was there a smirk behind it?
So for a lot of people and people that take life, you know, serious, but not so much themselves, that's a hindrance.
You know what I mean?
And, you know, yeah, there you go, Jerry Artic.
Fake, fake, fake.
You know what I'm saying?
So don't expect realness out of something that's fake and something that's a platform where everybody can go and just shit in it and make whatever they want to be true and lie about who they are and lie about where they're at.
And you're going to get the majority of that on social media.
So to try to pull realness out of that, wasting your time.
Are you talking about like dating apps or what?
100%.
Dating apps.
The majority of social media.
I personally follow Sydney.
I like her posts.
I think they're very authentic.
I think they're real.
I don't think she's putting too much on her posts and stuff like that.
And that's why.
I'm good.
I just don't know how to edit.
I'm not a technology person.
I can't edit for shit.
So thank you.
Personally, I'm glad that you don't, because if you did do stuff like that, I probably wouldn't follow because I'd see right through it.
Like, oh, she's just being like every other girl.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, thank you.
But I don't see that, particularly from her, from her posts.
So don't expect something real out of a platform that's fake.
Word?
Word?
Yes.
Not that everyone that's on there is fake.
I'm on there, but the majority, anyone who can lie about it, and who's going to know?
You know, so yeah, Sydney's a real one.
She's been on the show four times.
Thick knee's a real one.
All right.
That's nothing.
Yo, chat, can we get just thick knees in the chat?
No, that's all.
I want to see the chat spam thickney.
Okay.
So just going back to the question, so who do you think has more unrealistic standards, men or women?
I mean, I know for myself, I have pretty unrealistic standards just because I saw my parents' relationship and it was really, really bad.
And I've just based my standards off of that.
So I know they're very, very high and much higher than the people I've talked to.
But I think overall, like, I don't know, women tend to have higher standards.
Okay.
Which, I mean, I kind of like that because guys kind of suck.
What?
You're going to have to qualify that statement.
What do you mean guys kind of suck?
The last few guys I've like talked to, they the last one in particular, I really am having some stuff with him.
I really don't.
Yes.
He led me on for like four or five months and was like saying, oh, I want a relationship with you.
Like you're so amazing.
And his parents came into town to meet me and so did his grandparents.
And then three days after that, he ghosted me for a week and then told me, he called me and told me he didn't want a relationship.
And then I found out through one of his best friends that he was fucking his ex.
What was this after he ended things with you, so to speak?
Or before?
Before.
But before, had you guys had a conversation about being monogamous and exclusive?
Yeah, we were like, yeah, we're not in a relationship.
Like, I'm not fucking anyone else.
You're not fucking anyone else.
We want to keep it that way.
And that was overt communication.
You guys had that conversation.
Okay.
So that was the last guy.
Then you said there was a couple more that yeah, they were they just cheated on me a bunch.
And okay.
I mean that was kind of I like to say it's my fault because I kind of guess let them do that.
I stayed with them after they did that and was like, yeah, no, it's fine.
Just like, if you're going to do it, like please like tell me if you do.
Because I kept on finding out through other people and I didn't fuck with that.
That's a yikes.
I know.
That's a yikes.
Okay.
Could it be possible that it happened to be the guys that you've just, I mean, those are the guys you've chosen.
Oh, no, I go for assholes.
I've noticed that.
I go for assholes.
Should we ask the question?
Should we ask the golden question, right?
Go for it.
Go for it.
Why is it for the majority of girls, why is it that when you treat girls like dirt, they stick to you like mud?
I feel like they can't do better.
I mean, you just admitted, though, that you go.
Not that I agree with that, but that is what it is.
Well, I mean, I feel like personally, like when they tear you down enough, you genuinely feel like you can't get out and you can't do better.
So you stay and you handle it because you're like, oh, well, like, no one else will put up with me like that.
But you're also attracted to guys who are like that from the jump, too.
It's scary, I don't know why.
So, okay, you said all of them were assholes.
No, yeah.
Were they exciting?
They were just very, very charming at first.
Like, way too charming, and I didn't see through it.
Okay, too charming.
What else?
What other traits?
Were they good looking?
Yes.
Very.
Very good looking.
Actually, the short dude I was talking about earlier is one of them.
Okay, he's a chad.
I don't like him.
Short cane chad.
He's an asshole.
Okay.
Yeah, they're really charming.
Digmatized.
Stigmatized too?
Yeah.
Okay.
They're like super charming and they're like exactly like you.
Like their personality.
Like me.
No, Wait, what?
Hold on.
Like, if I'm talking.
You can say like me, right?
No, no, no, like me.
Wait, but you said like you.
Are you talking about me?
No, no, no, me.
Like, okay, if you're talking to me.
I'm going to flatter you down and tell you what you want to hear.
Mirror your outfits.
Compliment you by behaving like you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
No, no, no, not yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a term for when men treat the women so small, like what Steve was saying, and then they stick around.
It's called gaslighting.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But women also stick around when men treat them nicely, too.
Do you really just play the business?
I think a lot of girls that have a big ego like that.
They like the challenge because most guys simp for them.
New word in my vocabulary, that in cap.
They kind of just bow down to their shit, but someone who kind of really treats them off because no one else gives them any kind of challenge, they kind of welcome that.
Like, ooh, really?
Like, okay, like, I got to get over on this guy because he's treating me differently like dirt than all these other guys that just bow down to my shit.
Right.
So there's a character flaw from the gate.
So again, to try to pull reason out of something that's flawed from the gate, you're going to go in circles.
It's insanity.
Sometimes it's just that beautiful dance between the cat and mouse as well.
Especially when you're younger or dealing with a younger vibe.
Yeah, it's, you know, the life is caution to the wind, whatever.
So, but ego is the base of a personality that thrives off that.
Ooh, is that a challenge?
So you're saying I'm not all that?
Like, let me prove you wrong.
Let me make you behave the way these other 10 guys behaved by the time I was done with them.
And when you don't break and you, man, fuck you.
And that is desire.
That's what creates desire.
That's toxic.
It's one ego banter after another.
And you're never going to come to a healthy relationship with that being.
In my opinion, you're not.
Okay.
So you're saying when it's like really bad, you're treating them really badly.
Definition of toxic.
The sex may be fucking great, right?
But if you guys try to sit down and have a conversation, a decent dialogue, you know, having dinner or with friends, there's always an argument.
One person's begging the other one.
Yeah.
It all comes from that, that who's got the power.
Whoever, it was in a movie, right?
In any relationship, it's sad, but it's true.
Whoever cares less has the most power in a relationship.
Whoever is the first, whoever's the one that's like, well, fuck you, more than the other one, they have the power.
And I think that's where a lot of that, treat them like dirt, they stick to you like mud, especially if they're insecure or they've had a couple relationships where they got cheated on.
What did I do?
How did I fuck up?
They're not going to say that, but that's how they feel and their actions towards that person they're with, they're playing that game with, is going to reflect on how they've been hurt, how they've been.
Yeah, I agree that some.
There's also definitely, like, Brendan, like, I don't know if you've ever had an instance where like maybe a girl's been acting up, let's say, and you check her, and then she's like turned on.
Like, she becomes more attracted to you when you check her.
And sometimes they'll do that shit intentionally to fucking test you.
Girls do that.
100%.
like to me that's like you want to be put in your place subconsciously women okay so way back in the day and not that i'm it's hot campaigning for it Turned it off, sorry.
Sorry.
I had to say it.
Can you guys just be well-adjusted?
Back to the cavemen day.
Back to the cavemen days.
What did they do?
They took the woman, beat her over the head with the club, drug her in the cave.
I texted you about this girl.
God damn.
They drugged her in the cave, made her his.
Not that that's where shit's supposed to be or where it needs to be, but genetically, women have a programming in their mind where they're expected at some point to be dominated, whether it's in the bedroom being slapped, choked, whipped, all that shit, or hey, check, you know what?
Don't like verbally check them.
Maybe not embarrass them or belittle them, but fucking put them in their place.
Subconsciously, I feel women desire that.
It's kind of not wrong.
And if women don't get it in a dialogue, in a social dialogue, they're going to get it in the bedroom.
They're going to get fucking dominated one way or the other, or they're just not satisfied, period.
It turned into hate sex.
Caveman slay.
A1.
Yeah, we're taking it back prehistoric.
No, no, I'm not saying that like this is what should happen.
This is right.
But it's what the cavemen did, so we should do it.
No, it's not really what we should do.
It's genetically.
It's in our minds.
We can't get rid of it.
Right.
I can't unprogram my cavewoman mind.
You can't.
I just want to get clubbed.
Brandon, can I ask you a question?
You want to be dominated.
Oh, wait.
You were talking them.
When you drink.
I don't know.
Do you want to be dominated?
No.
No.
Brandon just, no, he just, he doesn't.
He loves it.
He just came out in the woods.
What?
I was going to ask, totally at fucking derailing the conversation.
By the way, I like how classy this wine is here.
When you drink the wine, is your pinky out?
Like, how do you do it?
I could.
How do you do it when you drink?
Just do a little pinky.
With a little sip.
Oh, classy.
Warm up.
Okay.
You guys need to get a room now.
Whoa, whoa.
Take geeky with you.
Oh, yes.
Devil's threesome if there's ever been one.
Back to being dominated.
What about women who like to dominate men?
Not my girl.
But I'm definitely.
I feel like Sydney wants to just put on a black spandex suit and just dominate.
Deprogramming her?
I get that impression from her.
Right, Sydney?
No, How do you girls feel about what I said?
Can I ask that question?
How do you feel about what I said?
Do you find it offensive or do you think there's truth behind it?
Let's start.
Emma, what's your take on what?
On what Brandon was saying.
Specifically?
How women genetically have it in their mind.
They're hardwired at some point.
They need to be dominated, even if they resist it.
Like, fuck men, pro-women, like, I'm all for it, whatever, women power.
Sure.
But at some point in time, they're not going to be satisfied unless they're dominated either socially or in bed.
Okay, but what is that based in?
Based on like you're saying based in biology and like evolution-wise and something that we have hardwired in us?
Do you think that's an offensive point of view for a guy to say, or do you think there's some truth to that?
I don't think it's, I'm not personally offended by it, and I see where you're drawing that from.
I just don't think, I think there's quite a logical fallacy behind that.
I don't find that.
I blame that fallacy.
Just briefly.
I would say that there's a lot of things that back in Caveman days we were hardwired and programmed for that.
We that, in terms of right, but in terms of evolution and how society is advanced, like there's a lot of things that we've outgrown, and I mean, I think, at the end of the day, like sure, we have very primitive urges, the urge to procreate, the urge to, you know, survive.
All these things are basic survival instincts.
I would say as, generally speaking, I don't think that I can confidently say every single woman has the urge to be dominated.
No, just you, just you personally.
Yeah, personally I prefer, I prefer a man that's dominant.
But again, I would say that with my personality I'm pretty abrasive, so I kind of like to be, Kind of like to be the boss.
I kind of like to run the show.
Pull your dick out sometimes and like.
Totally.
If it's a big dick contest, I'm winning.
Okay.
I think I can put a man in his place just as much as he can.
But when you're in the bedroom, if you meet a guy and he's not willing to choke you, or pull your hair or get very clear.
I think I'm very bossy and I like to boss guys around.
In the bedroom?
No, and then in the bedroom.
That's the only time where I'm not.
I don't know if we should clap for the first part, though.
Oh, okay.
Second part.
The latter.
Yeah.
Second part, fine.
That's the cat and mouse dance that he's talking about.
That power play, that dance.
Isn't that where the word game comes from?
He's got no game.
She's got no game.
This is the game we're talking about.
It's the game that we're talking about, absolutely.
I think, if I can say for myself, I think the best intimacy has been when, because as I was healing as a survivor, I needed to be the dominatrix to feel safe.
So I was really enjoying myself in that moment.
And that's probably why I attracted like younger partners who didn't have baggage and all that sort of stuff.
And personally, I don't like to be choked.
But if I'm in a safe and healthy relationship that's respectful, a little bit of slapping, all that sort of stuff's really healthy.
And that, I think the best times I've ever had is where it's a mutual exchange.
Okay.
And can I just say, sorry, I saw something.
I think even going one step further is this psychology where the man actually allows the woman to feel like she's in control, but really he's the one that is.
I kind of think that's what I'm doing.
I saw something that said like, like how it's always like a joke about like, oh, like he wears the pants.
Like one of my girlfriends said like, he wears the pants, but I sew them.
Or what about doesn't matter?
Women don't really sew anymore.
I do.
Yeah.
Throw the needle.
Sure.
I mean, not very well, but I took home eggs in school.
Wow.
I cook, I clean.
What about it doesn't matter where you get your appetite from as long as you eat at home.
Have you heard about that one?
On the basis of flirtation?
It doesn't matter.
It sounds like cheating to me.
what'd you think sydney i zoned out a little bit about the the about what i said about how women genetically um yeah no i mean personally like i do prefer i'm trying to figure out my words I do prefer a guy that's a little bit more on the dominant side, just because I am bossy and I am controlling and I've come to terms with that.
But I do definitely like to kind of be put in my place in a way because if I have ADHD, I'll just spiral.
And if I'm not put in my place, it makes that difference, you know?
And then it's also that safety fact, that safety factor.
Yeah, so it gives a sort of protection and a sort of safety.
So there's a right way.
You can check me, but just as quick, I can check you.
There's a right way.
Agreed, there's a right way for a guy to go about it, and there's a wrong way for a guy who's not going to be able to do it.
Yeah, exactly.
Can you give me an example of a right way for a guy to check you?
In a wrong way.
So obviously, like, you know what?
I'll let you go in.
The thing is, though, is that like today, a lot of girls will be like, they'll be more attracted to you.
They'll be kind of turned on if you check them.
But there's kind of this new narrative now.
Despite that, they're probably still going to be upset at you.
Right.
When you check them.
Well, they're going to feel like, yeah, the dick's going to come out.
What does check mean anyway?
Shut up.
Put in your place.
I wasn't telling you to shut up.
No, so you're telling me when somebody checks you, it means like, oh, shoosh.
I mean, kind of, like, if I'm arguing with my, like, I'm very single, but like, if I'm arguing with my man, and if I'm arguing with my man and we're just like going back and forth, he's just like, and he just like puts me in my place.
You're like, I don't know, like, kisses me, shuts me up, like something like that.
Then that's a good way to like check you and like put you in your place.
That's nice.
Well, I don't think it needs to be like even like insulting.
No, it doesn't need to be insulting at all.
He's a good check.
He's like, Emma, you're Emma-ing.
And then I'm like, okay.
But if they check you with a kiss, that's beautiful.
A check can be a look.
It can be a.
It can be like anything just kind of like petty.
You know, that's not good wording.
Just to like, like, next.
I liked that.
I learned some links.
I liked it too.
Dominant-wise, I mean, my last relationship, I was a dominant one, not in bed, but.
Have you ever pegged a guy?
No, I've been asked.
Do you like that?
No.
I've been asked some guy.
I was like, can you peg me doing it or just pegging?
Yeah.
What do you mean?
Why are you asking?
I want to know where you're at.
It's part of the questions of the podcast.
Because my ex was gay, so it's not fine-wise.
That's if he wasn't.
I'm just curious.
I've been asked.
You might be bi-curious, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm just asking.
Bro, the fucking shade.
But I'm not, I'm just saying, like.
Good job, Brian.
Wasn't the original question about standards?
Yeah, I'm trying to get back to that.
Because he's very interested in Peggy.
I have more to say.
Okay, so bottom line, it's just like, if they like, just like come up to you and be like, and like shut you up in like a dominant way, not like anything bad, like a dominant way or kiss you or like Gabby and like shut you up that way.
Like that's.
You know what, though?
I'll tell you this.
That's hot.
You know what's really attractive for us?
Can we have a drum roll, please?
What's really attractive is when we don't have to check you in the first place.
When a woman simply shuts you up.
But tonight it's boring.
No, no, not for me.
But you have a boy, you have admitted in the past that your love life is a little to each their own, a little bland.
It's a little bland, and it really irritates me.
No, no, no.
You don't talk about it.
No, it's not because I'll talk about it.
He's mentioned, like, oh, if my girl wants to go out to the club, by all means, I'm not going to go.
I'm not interested in that.
I'd rather stay in on a Friday night and read a book.
Done.
Like, to each their own, everyone has their own.
It's a little bland.
Well, more vanilla.
Let me just correct you.
You like vanilla ice cream, huh?
That's your favorite.
Are we talking about sex or are we talking both?
What's your favorite ice cream?
It reflects.
Let's talk about it.
I'm just saying, because some of the stuff you've said in the past, and again, to each their own.
I'm on some meeting.
You're boring.
Top G.
I know you are.
Top G.
I know you are.
You're like, you probably take like, I'm done roasting you.
Continue.
It's going good.
Okay, Sydney.
First off, you said, if my girl went to the club, hold on.
She would not be my girl.
That's exactly where I was going with that.
Because that's not something.
And to each their own.
That's not boring, though.
That's being a fucking G. Andrew Tate goes to the bottom.
Not dealing with a girl that's doing the nightlife thing.
That's a W in my book.
That's exactly.
In your book, for like us, for like me, I like going to the club.
Dude, that's an L for dudes.
If their girl is at the club, that's an L. Take her to a club promoter.
I don't go to the club.
Okay.
Well, Spirit Rhino.
Strip Club.
That's a fancy club.
But different.
Look, for a long-term serious relationship, if my girlfriend's going to the club every weekend, she's not my girlfriend.
And that's your girlfriend.
That's your preference.
It all depends on the difference.
Because I don't go to the club.
We're going to go get you to go to EOs, but what you can do is.
No, no, take him to Rhino.
Take him to Rhino and have him a good time.
I'll get you a table, bottle.
I don't drink.
You don't have to drink.
You can't add it.
Take him to Rhino who have a blast.
Probably that nasty tap water.
I'm going to need some bottles.
Is he a conspiracy theorist?
No, it's just like, I don't, I'd rather masturbate with sandpaper than go, than go to a... Semen retention, bro.
It's a real thing.
It's real.
I'm on it.
I'm on it.
But when it comes to going to the nightclub, I would rather masturbate with sandpaper.
But the whole point of going to the nightclub isn't to fuck.
It's to have a good time.
Let dance fucking shit.
That's not his good time.
Everyone has like some people like to read a book because they're a good time.
Brian, Brian, has your lady department been a little low lately?
Has it been on like wide?
Been very dry.
But why do you assume that?
At a 6.9, you think it's low?
You think?
Yes.
Are the ladies not coming in?
Are you saying that because I don't like to go to the club?
No, I don't know.
You said you're mother master favorite.
What else is there in the middle of the moment?
No, it's because he writes himself at night.
The beach, the club, that's it.
We're not going back to that.
Okay, so I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm half a bush.
Ad hominin, but I don't even know where the fuck were we?
Standards.
Standards.
I want to get into that.
No, Sydney.
I got to respond to Sydney.
Okay, you think I'm vanilla.
I'm not vanilla.
I will have you have you know.
Honestly, you club chicks.
Club chicks are the vanilla ones.
You think a little hair pulling makes you fucking kinky?
Nah.
Fuck that shit.
Oh.
He choked.
I like to get choked and have my hair pulled.
I'm so kinky.
Fuck that shit.
You ain't kinky.
What is kinky?
He likes to kick.
Bro, I need it, Brian.
I want the mission of what is kinky.
All right, I'm going to reveal it.
I want to tie you up and we're going to use some toys.
There's going to be some crazy tie up toys and toys, dom sub, dynamic.
Okay.
Asphyxiation?
But not like dom sub.
Like we're going to do it.
A lot of people think like a lot of these girls say, I want a dom.
They're not really into BDSM in that way.
They want a guy who's dominant in the bedroom, but like a dom extends beyond just a guy who fucks you rough.
Right, right, right.
But there is a line.
There's a line to.
So did you say you're dom or they have to be dom?
I'm dumb.
Wow.
Throw the girl around.
He's a top player in jiu-jitsu.
No, it's not even a physical thing for me.
Actually, me being dumb is more of a in the mind.
Oh, I need a physical dom.
Like, toss me around.
Nah, I ain't catching.
A cave case.
I'm not catching a case for some sexual gratification.
I met a guy recently.
He has a tattoo BDSM bold letters like this big on his ass.
That's fucking weird.
And it wasn't even a dare or anything.
Can I say that?
I went.
Okay.
If you see this, it's going to be out.
So I went with my two guy best friends when I lived in Reno and they got like fat ass hats, like probably like each a cheek.
And then I got like my like little like heart on my hip.
But we were talking about assets.
How much wine did you have tonight, Sydney?
None.
I drink water.
I don't drink.
She had the headache tablet.
That was a headache.
She had the men.
She took the drug.
I wish I had something else.
I just took Tylenol, y'all, and water.
There may be white claw in the fridge.
Oh, white claws.
Those are kind of holes.
Maybe after the show.
Okay, let's get back to the standards thing.
You answered.
Okay, so you dated a bunch of asshole guys, blah, blah, blah.
We know my standards.
We clearly.
But, okay, who do you think has more unrealistic standards?
Men or women?
Women.
Definitely.
Okay.
And that's that.
Oh, are you guys going to the bathroom?
Yeah.
Together.
Just go into the bathroom.
Okay.
I'll just talk about Caveman.
Let's talk shit about Sydney while she's gone.
Thick knee.
Restroom breaks.
So, okay.
Where were we?
I forgot.
Standard.
Standard standards.
Who do you think has more unrealistic standards?
Men or women?
Okay.
Andy, what do you think?
I can't.
I'm not a divisive person.
Be divisive.
Where'd they go?
Wait, what is the title of that book?
Oh, the good one.
That's the ghosting one.
But isn't like in America now, you guys are all about sort of non-gender, you know, like neutral gender stuff.
Not this American.
I know, right?
So this is what I'm trying to learn is that there's 50% of Americans who are really like bringing that on and then there's still the other 50% that are still talking about men and women and I'm just sitting here observing.
So I don't really have an opinion on whether it's men or women.
I think it's hard for me to say.
Are you talking about the they's?
Yeah, maybe.
Are you talking about the they're?
The they's.
The they's?
Maybe.
Oh, jeez.
Maybe, but I'm tipping that's not your audience.
No, I don't think so.
So my audience is probably not on the woke.
So the bad TV audience.
The woke sad.
So expectations.
I mean, isn't it best just to not have so many expectations, sit in the moment and just have fun with what's going on in the now?
Let's go back to ghosting for a little sec here.
Do you think it's wrong for a guy to hook up with a girl and then ghost her?
It can be hurtful, but I think the best thing that I write about in the book is to not let it hurt, to just go, you know what?
Were you safe?
Did you have fun?
Did you dodge a bullet?
Is it great that they've moved on?
Because now you get to go and find what's more suitable for you.
And they also do the same.
I think at the end of the day, my philosophy is to try and leave a person better than you found them.
If you're going to have any kind of interaction with them, try and leave them better than you found them.
But if that doesn't happen and you don't get the closure chat, just make sure that you heal yourself so that you can pass on good juju to the next person that you're with.
You know?
I talked to you when you asked me to bring someone on why we're not friends anymore.
I had hooked up with someone multiple times and he went to her and like cut me off.
I was like, went to her instead.
Hooked up with her.
Wasn't she freshly out of a relationship?
No.
Or she was in a relationship?
But like he told me he didn't want a relationship with her.
I thought she was in a relationship.
Viv?
V-word?
Whatever.
Just fucking Vivian, whatever.
Who cares?
But yeah, we haven't talked.
So I like hooked up with him a few times.
I started to like him, but he didn't want anything more.
So I didn't push anything.
And then they hung out without saying anything to me.
Wait, I could have sworn to her.
No, she was not.
She came on the show and she said that she had a boyfriend.
She had like months ago.
Like, I don't even know.
They broke up a while ago.
I'm pretty sure she said she had a boyfriend.
I was about to say that.
So is she dating him now?
I don't know.
I don't talk to her anymore.
I cut her off because I started to like him.
And she went behind my back.
And she knew she knew.
Didn't she have like a super low body count?
Yeah.
Is it higher now?
I don't know.
I don't talk to her.
You don't talk to her?
I don't talk to her anymore.
but anyways so he so talk about like whenever like a guy hooks up with you and ghosts you guy hooked up with me and went to my best friend Jabba the hush.
I don't hurt.
I don't hurt.
Jabba.
What's going on with you, Jabba?
I don't know.
Can't figure out what your problem is.
I know.
Find me, man.
What's wrong with you?
Put her on my dating show in that.
Okay, I don't have, I mean, I don't know.
I'm talking to someone.
Because you seem nice.
I am.
Are you just crazy?
I think a little bit of what your mom does is just lets everybody in.
I won't show the chat.
Can you, you're talking to a guy right now, right?
Can you give me your phone and can I see your text messages with them?
Whoa!
Can I make you?
There's nothing bad in this.
You don't have to.
Oh, he texted me.
No, wait, what did he say?
He's kind of sick right now.
No, okay, thanks.
Oh, finally, Michael Trilstein shows up.
What's up, Michael?
Good to see you, man.
I think everything seems fine.
I don't know.
Oh, God.
She had too deep.
Did you send nudes?
No, no, I checked.
I had a check.
It's a normal conversation.
And that's about he's just sick.
I was like, hey, you want me to bring you any soup or medicine or anything?
Here, I'll just look at your most recent ones.
He just texted me out and he said he was sick.
He's sick?
Yeah.
COVID?
No.
It's like frat flu type shit.
What the fuck?
He's going to frat.
And you saw him recently?
How dare you?
Yeah, your text messages seem normal.
Yeah.
Allegedly.
Yeah, they are.
I mean, you didn't go teaching me.
I only took a cursory glance at your messages.
It's been pretty boring lately, but.
Yeah, you're okay.
I don't know.
I don't know either.
I don't know.
They're fine.
I'm really nice.
I'm just trying to ask him if he wants medicine and soup and something to take care of himself.
And he, I don't know, kind of dogs.
He doesn't want to date his mom, though.
Whoops.
No, we won nurturing.
That's what I was saying.
Yeah, but I'm not going to say about standards.
Yeah, but sometimes if it's like that too much and they haven't.
I'm just.
Yeah, but I was because he lives in IV.
So I was like, hey, I'm coming out there.
I could drop by some medicine for you because if you don't want to get medicine.
Maybe.
Okay.
But no, I was like, hey, do you want any like Nyquil Daylo?
I have him at home from like two weeks ago when I was sick.
So I was like, hey, do you want some?
Because he woke up and he's like, hey, that's fine.
I know, but I'm just saying, like, it's sweet.
It's actually.
Yeah.
It's not just me being nice.
I think I'm a nice person.
Okay.
That's what I'm saying.
Ooh.
Kirkland Seltzer is the boogie.
Okay, so Sydney.
Thank you.
Hi.
Who do you think has more unreasonable standards?
Men or women?
Women.
Emma.
Who do you think has more, sorry, unrealistic standards?
I think it's equal.
Equal.
Circumstantial.
Okay.
All right.
So going around, what are your standards and preferences?
What does it take for a guy to get you?
Just list off some traits, some characteristics.
Can I go last?
Mine's probably long.
What's that?
Mine's probably long.
Let's start with you then.
Okay.
Is it like my type on paper?
Just like what ticks my boxes?
Sure.
Physically?
Yeah, I was going to say.
Physically, personality.
It's kind of hard to narrow it down because I guess it depends on how I'm meeting them.
Like, if it's a dating app, I think I have more like boxes that need to be ticked.
Whereas organically, like, I think you can kind of vibe with someone a lot easier.
I don't think I really have like a certain, I mean, I have standards.
Come on, give us some.
Say more.
Let's hear.
God, I think a lot of it is.
Oh, it sounds.
I know.
It sounds so corny, but like vibes, like they have to keep up.
They have to be intellectual.
They have to be able to have good chat.
They got to be able to talk shit to me.
They got to be funny.
Like, I think I've.
Is there more?
Physical stuff.
Do they have to be taller than you?
I'm short, so yes.
I'm 5'3.
Okay.
I mean, that's just an inch below the average female height.
Yeah.
Is it actually 5'4 is the average?
5'4 is the average female height in the U.S.?
Not that far.
You're close, Sydney.
Okay, what else?
They gotta be taller than you?
They gotta be taller than me.
Muscles?
Good little bot, at least.
It doesn't have to be muscles, but like a nice.
Like in shape.
Yeah, dad bot, whatever.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah, just like something I'm attracted to.
I mean, I'm gonna be.
What else?
If I'm gonna be.
Keep going.
What else?
Okay.
Here, go.
What were the personality traits again?
I think personality, like, you gotta be fucking funny.
Gotta be funny.
You gotta be funny.
Gotta be funny.
Have to be funny.
You have to be funny.
Are you funny?
I think I'm a fucking hoot, but.
You're a hoot.
Okay.
That's fine.
I think you have to think I'm funny because I have a very certain type of humor that.
Okay, so funny.
What else?
Good vibe?
What else?
Vibes.
Smart.
Smart.
Intelligent.
I mean, I've dated dumb guys, but I mean.
Would you date a broke guy?
Sure.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's fine.
I mean, I think at the end of the day, like, dating and hooking up with is very different.
So it's like, I've hooked up with dumb guys, but I think dating, like, you gotta have a good head on your shoulders.
Yeah.
Milamana.
Sounds like a lot of work.
Yeah.
Okay.
Andy, what about you?
What are your standards and preferences?
What do you look for in a guy?
I think it just keeps changing because I've been around for so long.
But what it is right now.
What it is right now is probably attitude because I really like alpha energy, like alpha male energy.
You like alpha males?
Yeah.
Really?
I do.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Because you're kind of an alpha woman.
Yeah, maybe that's why.
And somebody who is really, I guess, ambitious, but wants to do good things for the world.
And so when I speak of ambition, it doesn't necessarily have to mean currency in money, but just like what they're bringing to the world.
And I like what you said about being funny because we all need to lighten up, let's face it.
So it's good to have a laugh.
I like someone that's like my kind of funny, like the kind of funny that only I think is funny, but you will also think it's funny.
Okay.
It's hard to find that someone.
Sydney, what about you?
What are your standards and preferences?
I like gym rats.
So I'm in the gym like every day.
So I like, I don't know, like I like a big back.
I like brown eyes.
Brown eyes.
Brown eyes.
I learned that.
Brown eyes.
Brown eyes.
I like a big back.
I like.
Yeah, he has pretty eyes.
I like brown eyes.
He does.
Yeah.
And so I like definitely a guy that can be a bit more damage.
But you have blue eyes, right?
I have hazel.
Okay.
They change.
But funny.
And like a good person.
Like, if he's nice to other people, that's a big thing for me.
Because I've dated some guys that have not been nice.
Sounds like a lot of work.
Okay.
Jubilee.
I don't know.
What are your standards and preferences?
What does a guy need to bring to get you?
A pulse?
Yeah, honestly.
Honestly, just a pulse.
I've gone Rolo lately.
Okay.
What about you?
I don't know.
I really like when they're smart and have like a plan for their future and taller than me.
And if they like cats.
I fucking love cats.
I have too.
And if they don't like cats, I just, I can't be.
My mom said, never trust a man that doesn't like cats because he doesn't like things he can't control.
Cats are evil.
If someone doesn't like my dog, my dog is my child.
If someone doesn't like my dog, it's over.
If someone doesn't like my cat, I can't be around them.
My dog is her best friend.
I love her.
So men can't control you.
What?
Well, you said.
My mom used to tell me because men who don't like cats don't like cats because they're not like dogs.
Dogs are very lovable and easy and will love you no matter what.
Whereas cats are kind of assholes.
I would say, yeah, I'm like a cat.
I'll give you so much affection, but it's on my terms.
So you're like a cat?
A lot like a cat.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Nice.
I'm not a fan of cats, but you would definitely have to say dogs over cats.
At the end of the day, dogs actually care about a human being.
Cats really can care less as long as you're feeding them and giving them attention.
They're on it.
But a dog will know when you're hurting and know when you a person will feed and give water and shelter to a dog, and the dog will be like, Oh my god, this person feeds me, shelters me.
This person is God.
You can feed and shelter a cat, and this cat will be like, Oh my god, this person feeds and shelters me.
I am God.
Also, also, if you die in your residence, the cat will eat you.
I don't know about that.
The dog will just kind of be a little bit more.
There's good stories of dogs eating cats.
Can someone lower that purse from the purse?
It's behind you, Sydney.
Sydney, behind you.
Yeah.
It's blocking our lovely neon sign.
How dare you, Jubilee?
Sorry.
How dare you ruin the decor of the studio?
How dare you, sir?
Deeply hurt and offended.
But if I cry, my dog cuddles with me and does like laying.
How frequently do you cry?
I haven't cried in a while, actually.
In a while?
So, like a fortnight ago?
Maybe a little more than that.
14 days ago.
Wait, no, I cried when the guy chose my friend over me.
What?
So, like, recent, actually, never mind.
But it wasn't too bad.
It was a little bit.
Oh, gosh.
Okay.
It wasn't the worst, but.
Damn.
Like a really crazy cry not in the wild.
Brandon, what about you?
What are your standards and preferences?
In a woman?
Yeah.
Or a man.
No, in a man.
You know, just one thing I find really attractive if I meet a girl and I get to know her and stuff like that is when she's able to look past a man's history and whatever he's been through and she starts to encourage, like, man, you know, you really, you could do this and you can do that.
And I see it.
And she wants to, she's excited about encouraging you to be a better man.
You know what I'm saying?
And not really just better because she wants you to be hers and be better for her, but she's righteously excited about meeting you.
And she can see that, you know, with the right support and the right type of, you know, companionship, you can, I could be better of a man than I am.
That is hot.
She's not too wrapped up in herself or too preoccupied with other miscellaneous shit in her life to where she doesn't really give a shit about what you do or how you are.
She's obsessed is different.
You don't want someone who's obsessed, but somebody who really cares about, you know, behind every righteous man is a strong woman.
That's just my philosophy.
You know what I'm saying?
Behind every solid, all the way around man, there's a righteous woman that has, you know, because men are strong, but men are weak too.
We have fragile egos where we have our own insecurities, whatever they are.
And a woman that dials in on that and really tends to, you know, strengthen you and bring you up.
That's, is that a standard?
I think it's hot as fuck.
You know, be excited about life.
Good standard.
Be attractive.
Be excited about life.
Have ambition.
Have a goal.
Love the beach.
If you don't love the beach, you're not my friend.
So, okay, Andy has to leave soon, right?
Yeah.
So let's just do a video reaction and then we'll get you out of here.
How's that sound?
Thank you.
Eric, can you pull up a Tate clip, good sir?
All right.
Let's see.
You're going to have to open up the folder for it.
Yeah.
Let's do body count.
You know what's so attractive about a lot of these dudes talk about fertility.
Yeah.
I don't actually think it's that news.
I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right, you meet a woman, you get married to me the other way.
In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's been through her before me is just simply unattractive.
I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.
How many men have fucked.
If I get a 19-year-old girl, I'm not your second or third man, right?
I'm gonna be dude number fucking 29.
And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through, you're gonna try and bring to my door?
Like, well, my last man cheated.
I don't give a fuck.
Like, I don't care.
Like, why is that my problem?
So, if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer, they've had more fucking rides, more spins.
I don't want that shit.
And when I see a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count.
And that, and also, no, but no, but the truth is: women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.
If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her feel unattractive too.
And it's unattractive, is but if she's like, if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, she really didn't think, you know what, this guy's so, so, so special, or she didn't think, you know, why he talked to me, we're all still getting a gun.
Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's lucky lucky to fall in love with you to be a better partner.
So, the likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and really believing you're the only man for her, after being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through, is far less likely than meeting a nice young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes.
You know what?
This is the guy.
I like him.
Every woman who knows this and every man watches this.
To be honest, women fall in love with the person who's a virgin too, or the second or third guy.
They really remember them.
They really love them.
Anyone who's up with 62 she doesn't even remember who most of them are.
She doesn't care if a woman's slept with a bunch of men before you.
She's less likely to stick out through a difficult period of relationships and more likely to sing.
You know what new answers need.
It's a pretty good answer and that's the truth.
Let me make something clear, if I meet a beautiful 30 year old woman, i'm not saying I won't sleep with her.
That's pretty fucking old yeah, 30.
I know what are you crazy I?
There's been times I was drunk.
Okay, your reaction to it?
Then Andy, we'll let you go, and then, after you give your reaction, you're free to uh, take off.
Emma, go ahead.
What do you think I always forget he's British?
Well he's, he's American.
And anyways, wasn't that a British oxygen?
Well, I don't think.
Disregard the nationality.
What's your reaction to what he said?
Um, like the bot, the whole body count discussion.
Yeah, that thing yeah he, I mean hold that same energy for men.
Okay, so you want him to also adhere to those standards, not be him?
If you're disgusted by a woman that has a high body count, why can't we be turned off by a man with a high body count?
Okay, i'll respond to that afterwards, but I do have a response to that.
Andy, go ahead.
Honestly, I checked out because all I could think about is my beautiful 12-year-old boy that I can't wait to be home waiting for that.
Thanks guys, thank you.
Thank you, Sydney.
Your response um yeah, I think it is like a definitely like a double standard for sure because like, I don't know, it's two people like taking part in the sex take, take the books off the table, take the books off the table.
Yeah, I guess you could put that.
Uh, put it on the ground, if you.
Yeah, thank you Sydney, you're welcome, appreciate it.
Um okay, go ahead.
Um yeah no, I just I do definitely think like it's two people like having sex, like the body count raises for one or the other, like why is it such a big deal if like, women have a higher body count and then men have like say, like men have a higher body count, like why is that not as judged, versus if women have a higher body count, like that's more judged.
Okay well, i'll just, since that's kind of like, yeah, I just don't agree with it.
Well, because it's harder for men to get laid.
That's the primary thing.
What here put.
You gave me a look.
Do the look again, just so that.
I mean, it depends on what they look like and what they, like, their personality.
Because if you're hot and you're a dude, you can, like, fuck a lot of girls.
Even an average-looking girl can run circles around a top-tier guy.
But we don't.
But you can.
But we don't.
But you do.
No, we don't.
I think a guy that's a five is going to fuck exponentially more women than a girl that's a seven or an eight.
You think a guy's a girl?
Guys get with who they can or who they want.
Guys will get who they can when they can in any circumstance.
Women sleep with who they want.
Yeah.
Men sleep with who they can.
Yeah.
So you're proving my point.
You just said a guy who's a five can sleep with more women.
I'm saying a guy that's a five will sleep with more women.
Will.
Yes.
I mean, if a guy was given the option.
I'm saying in my experience of very mediocre men, especially in Isla Vista specifically, guys that you could find a dime a dozen of them have two, three times my body count, whereas I'm not hideously ugly, but my body count's pretty low just because I don't choose to do that.
A guy who's a five is not going to outperform a woman who's a seven.
But he did.
Okay, there's outliers and stuff.
And all of Isla Vista dead.
I kept it.
Guys can.
I keep my circle tight.
I will grant you this.
Guys can make up for their bad looks in other ways.
That's true.
So if they're incredibly charismatic or they have social status or if they have money, those are ways in which guys can kind of make up for it.
But when it just comes down to it, it's harder for men to get laid.
Yeah.
Point blank, period.
Yeah.
But you disagree.
I'm not arguing against that.
You disagree that it's.
I disagree.
You think it's easier for men to get laid.
In my own personal experience, I disagree.
I don't know about like in general, but I've found it that guys get laid easier than like I do.
Really?
Jubilee, what do you think about this?
I mean, you were saying how a guy's looks can other things can make up for his looks.
I agree with that.
I'm saying with the guy I'm talking to or whatever.
He's like not like the hottest guy ever.
He's not the hottest guy ever.
But his personality makes up for it.
Okay.
So, but I mean, I think it's a lot easier for girls to get laid.
Okay, but so you said in your experience.
In my experience, I don't know about everyone else's, but in mine.
I think if you used your power too, though, because I had this argument back and forth with one of my, like, with one of my guy friends, and like, we've argued about this, but he said, he's like, if you text a guy and you're just like, hey, you want to come over tonight?
Like, point blank, period.
Easy.
Easy.
But, like, I, like, women are pickier with it.
Like, I'll, like, have that thought, but I'm like, that's a lot of effort.
I don't want to do that.
Like, I'm just, I don't do the hookup thing.
But women.
Yeah, I see.
You don't do the hookup thing?
No, I don't.
I'm just, that's not something I'm like interested in.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
I'm just, it kind of gives me the creeps a little bit.
Like, I think about it, but then I'm just like, I can't.
I think guys just place a lot, I think guys place a lot more importance and power on the body count number, whereas women don't, because I've had a guy tell, personally, the same guy that was a five that was like sleeping with half of Vila Vista, has literally told me directly like.
the thing that makes you attractive to me or the thing that makes you more attracted to me is how low your body count is.
That's right.
That's where it's like, it's the same thing as like Madonna and whore complex, where it's like a man wants a woman that's like motherly and a Madonna, but then at the same time, he wants a whore that's going to do the nasty things for him.
So there's a very fine line.
Well, yeah, I mean, you're right that men generally care more about body count.
Right.
And I think, well, I think what was funny to me was that, like, okay, yes, I have a low body count, but for me, it's because I'm more of a relationship person.
Not to say that I haven't.
I've had hookups before, but for me, I just didn't really understand, like, okay, yeah, so my body counts like this number and it's low, but it's because I've been with the same person.
What makes me different for having sex with the same guy 20 times versus a girl that's had sex with 20 different guys?
Yeah, like I where is a lot of different things?
There's a huge difference.
So for me, there's a huge difference.
So for men, I guess generally it's just a session, but for girls, it's an experience, whether they liked it or not.
It's a whole different perspective.
God, I hate it and whatever went, whatever.
But for a girl, it's like, this fool's on me.
Like, he smelled a certain way.
Like, he rubbed me.
He was good in the beginning, and then it got kind of weird.
Like, girls dial in when guys just look at it like just another hole or horse.
But like, I think with this guy, he was like, oh, like, you know, girls in I look at stuff, they'll go out and like fuck like 30 guys, 40 guys.
And it's like, well, like, yes, I was with one guy, but I fucked in 30, 40 times.
So how does that make me like my value or my, I don't know.
That, well, I mean, there's a whole lot.
It doesn't.
That's great.
There's a whole lot there.
But in the same, okay, I would rather a girl sleep with one guy 300 times than sleep with 100 guys three times.
Why?
Because that's a different guy's shit.
I have to articulate why I'd prefer not to sleep with someone.
I'll articulate it.
No, go ahead.
I think what was articulated to me, I'm sure there's like so many more reasons behind this from the male perspective, but what was articulated to me is like, oh, well, like, I wouldn't want you sleeping with a bunch of different guys because then that makes you loose.
But like, how would you pussy?
I get, I don't know.
That's what he said to me.
And it's like, how am I tighter or looser based on the amount of times I've had sex, whether it's the same person or different people.
I'm pretty sure that's a myth, unless you're like really fucking super rough with a guy who's really well endowed.
Otherwise, like you being, I'm pretty sure that's the cap, that whole thing.
He might have meant it, he might have meant loose in the colloquial sense.
But I mean I don't know I think I just think it was really weird to hear, to be put on a pedestal for a number, like my body count, and then hear him and like his guy friends trash other women for their sexual behaviors.
There's just a weird thing.
I don't know.
Like, it just be equal for everybody, basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Same energy as all the way.
As far as the whole, like, what's the difference between having a whole bunch of sex with one guy and having sex once or just a few times with a bunch of guys?
So, I mean, here's a couple reasons why body count matters.
STDs, more baggage, the more men you deal with, the more, you know, more likely to have baggage from past relationship, some sort of trauma, whatever.
You start losing, you start chipping away at your ability to pair bond.
You, you remove the intimacy from the act of sex.
If sex is just sport to you, if it's just sport fucking, then it's no longer going to be this cherished, special, intimate thing that you do with someone that you care about and either have an emotional connection with or love.
That's that's fine, but the reality is if you just fuck 300 dudes, you think number 301 is going to feel special?
Yeah.
No.
Also, it just, it says something about your behavior, your decision-making, your temperament.
It suggests to me that you're an impulsive individual.
If you have a high body count, if you have a high body count, it sort of necessitates that you take part in hookup culture.
You're probably less likely to be concerned about stuff like STDs.
I mean, if I'm going to roll the dice, if I'm going to roll the dice and sleep with, if I have to choose like which one's more likely to have an STD, there's the girl who slept with one guy, and then there's a girl who slept with 100 guys.
So it comes down to who you'd rather not wear a condom.
I mean, body count, I don't think it matters as long as you're safe.
You get tested, whatever.
Like it doesn't condom regards.
That's not how STDs work.
I mean, I think it was also just like when I, when this was a situation between me and this guy I was seeing, is that like the way they were talking about other women that were like, oh, well, all Isla Vista girls are sluts.
Like you're not a, you know, you're not a slut.
And it's like, what?
Like, I'll be a slut.
Like, I can be a slut for one guy.
Like, maybe I'm not a slut for everyone, but I, I don't know.
I just think there's like very.
You need not be like a sexually reserved prude.
Yeah.
You can have a low body count and be sexually open and have a fulfilling sex life.
Yeah.
I think that's what was getting blurred was that like there was a certain like being put on a pedestal of oh, well like you're holier than thou and it's like no I that's not who I am at all and these girls that choose to participate in hookup culture I don't think that they're scum of the earth or whatever.
So I think that these labels kind of get like really stuck on a person based on their body counts and I don't think that that same ascertations apply to men.
That's all.
I'll say for me like a high body count that suggests impulse control issues.
Also like a lack of ability to commit.
For me, okay, so for me, I'm not interested in one-night stands.
I'm not interested in just fucking one time.
Yeah.
It's pointless to me.
Are you interested in like a relationship?
I prefer relationships.
Yeah.
Short-term, long-term.
I mean, preferably long-term.
You're looking for a long-term relationship.
Sure.
Okay.
Well, then that makes more sense for that context.
Well, even, here's the thing, though.
Even if I was so inclined to have a one-night stand or have a short-term relationship, even in a one-night stand, I'd still prefer to get with the girl with a low body count.
Yeah.
I think the context is so, especially here in Isla Vista, everyone's fucking.
I think that it's so common culture for guys and girls to just go crazy with hookup culture, which is neither here nor there.
But I mean, I think moving out of Isla Vista and being an adult and in the dating world, that, I mean, like what you did in college or how you were in college still like has meaning and follows you.
So it's just interesting.
I mean, I would just say that someone who has a high body count, both men and women, there's a higher likelihood of infidelity.
So that's one.
There's a higher likelihood of the relationship not working out.
And if you're married, that might result in a divorce.
So especially for something really long-term, life partner, marriage, you're probably going to want to find someone with a low body count, your life partner.
I was just talking about this with someone, and I think a good way that we defined it is instead of like putting it in these boxes, like these terms of body count or slut, or I think it's more of like, for us, we were like, you know what the issue is?
Like, I want someone that isn't for everyone.
You know, I think that's a good way of putting it of like someone that is for everyone.
It doesn't ascertain to sex or their behavior or it's just like, you know, someone that is devoted to like, you know, in your circumstance, a long-term relationship or an exclusive, whatever it may be.
But it's just, I think there's a difference between someone that is for everyone, someone that is like, doesn't know what they want or is open to whatever.
What's that tattoo on your wrist?
It's a stick and poke.
Is that the astrology sign?
Yeah, unfortunately.
We're Gemini's.
Oh, okay.
I'm going to get canceled.
I'm not really.
You're going to get canceled for being a Gemini.
Gemini, yeah.
I don't know.
I'm not really.
I guess it means I'm not into astrology.
Me neither.
My friend stick and poked it on me for funsies.
Okay, wow.
Wow.
Okay, so.
Moving on.
We'll come back to the body count thing, but initially what set that off is we were talking about, I said, I forgot exactly what the question was, but you said that it's easier for men to get laid than it is for women.
Okay, so my goal tonight is to try to change your mind on that.
Didn't you say opposite?
No, she said it's she thinks it's easier for.
For in my experience.
And you said, was it you who said a guy who's a five, who's the one who said like, who said the one, who's the one who said that a guy who's a five can get with a?
That was me.
That was you.
Okay, you still think that?
I think okay, let me.
I think a guy with mediocre looks and mediocre personality, especially in this area and in this generation, can fuck so easy.
What do you a guy like, trust me, i've seen it, i've.
There's a.
There's a lot of truth to that.
I especially here maybe it's different across like a, you know, like global context, but in this cultural context in Isla Vista, I see men that look like my fucking foot and I see them like fuck everything that moves, without even, with no game, with no riz, with no personality, with no looks.
It's just, it's the, it's the ratio here.
There is there are girls who are eights nines, tens throwing themselves at these mediocre ass men, especially if they're in a frat, especially if they're assholes, like men that are just subpar, that are getting so much action.
They do it in packs too.
I fuck in packs like no, like.
If they're trying to like get at women like they have a okay, i'll give you that.
Yes, in college it's a bit easier yeah, but it's easier for everyone.
In college.
We're all neighbors.
We're all neighbors.
Yeah, stop stop playing with that.
Um it's, it's a bit easier in college, but I mean the.
It's a social environment that is conducive to people interacting and communicating.
It's just yes, it is easier in college.
However, if we're speaking in generalities here, even in college it is harder for men to get laid.
It's harder for men.
And okay, you want to use numbers.
I know that.
Thank god she left, because she would have flipped her shit about all the fives and the sevens.
They're all tough.
I mean um, it's extremely difficult for a man to get a lot of girls, but it's incredibly easy for a woman to get a lot of guys.
Uh like, if a guy texts me at like like midnight or whatever, like come over, i'm not going.
Well, especially a guy you've never hooked up with before correct, even if I have no no, but more specifically yes, a guy you've never hooked up with before and he's like hey, come over, i'm not going, it's not happening no, but i'd do the same.
They'd be like they're coming right over.
I've said this before and i'll say it again, guys, it's 10 p.m on a tuesday in Santa Barbara.
All four of you, if you were so inclined, could fuck a guy, a brand new guy that you've never even talked to tonight.
Doubt it.
You think so.
Doubt it.
Based on this chat, I think i'm so insufferable that not even even if I was a 10, I lived with you.
I had a Long-term abusive relationship for all of college.
I have no idea.
What do you mean you live with her?
We were roommates.
I dated a 27-year-old with mediocre looks who was mean to me.
No.
Was he mediocre, Sydney?
I don't want to comment on that.
But I had a guy text me yesterday around like 7 p.m.
But here's the thing.
You say, here's the thing, right?
You say you're abrasive, but just to get laid, just sure, that might preclude guys from wanting to wife you up.
Yeah, but me getting laid would have to be me shutting the fuck up for like at least more than five minutes because I simply cannot do.
Guys will tolerate a lot to get some pussy.
I'll say that much.
Yeah.
You know what?
That's very true.
Oh, I love how outspoken you are, Emma.
I love, you're such a strong, strong, independent woman.
That's what they're going to do.
You've got so many opinions.
Guys, you're great.
I like you.
Oh, she's giving me PTSD.
No, like, guys will lie to get laid.
Yeah.
Guys will never be hung about what they actually want.
That's very true.
They'll be like, oh, you.
Girls will lie to avoid getting laid.
That is so real.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, that right there is the realest thing, I think.
Okay, let me.
I'm trying to think how I'm going to.
Are you currently seeing someone right now?
No.
Nobody.
Sydney, confirm or deny?
Well, you guys are no longer.
I'm not seeing.
Hooking up with somebody.
No, I haven't had any so much as a kiss with anyone in a fortnight.
Since my ex.
Yeah.
Since when?
We broke up in fuck, July.
Yeah, July.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
That's good.
July.
Good period of time.
Wait, okay.
So let me just go around once more.
Is it easier to get laid as a guy or a girl?
As a guy.
Girl.
Girl.
Guy.
Okay.
So.
You need to put in more work as a guy.
Experiment.
Emma, will you have sex with me tonight?
Maybe.
Oh, okay.
So y'all can mingle in.
Yeah, ask after the second drink.
We can head out.
Yeah, we can leave.
It's actually past my bedtime.
We'll keep it rolling.
Honestly, all those compliments earlier that made me feel good.
I gave you compliments?
Yeah, see, it's that easy.
it's that easy guys wait did i what i don't know i give you compliments What did you call me, like a girl boss or something?
You're saying I'm outspoken.
Oh, you mean literally like two minutes ago?
Oh, okay.
All right.
Tell me I'm outspoken, guys, and I could be yours.
Can you put your hair down?
Oh, my God.
I put my hair down.
Okay, I just dyed it.
You should have had it down the whole show, by the way.
I mean, I didn't because it's a mess.
Why?
It's, you know, that.
Hey, guys, it's coming down.
Hold on.
Oh, I would.
If my hair's in a bun, oh, it's not coming down.
I know.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
It's going to be all fucked up crazy.
Okay.
Oh.
Give it a minute.
She's got a minute.
She's got the name.
I have really thick long hair.
Yeah, I do too.
My hair does that when I take it out.
You're not even going to let me like.
Oh, it's bad.
Oh, it's bad.
I've lived in a bun for days.
Give it like.
We'll give it time.
Give it some time.
I'm dying my hair soon.
I'm almost like a different.
Different person in two weeks.
That's a maybe for you, bro.
Well, I feel like she might be saying that just to challenge my point.
Challenge it up.
Hey, there.
Speaking of the way.
The door's slightly cracked.
Anyways, so we'll get back to it.
So any one of you could get laid tonight.
Yes.
Yes.
It's hard for a dude on a Tuesday at 10 p.m. to be like, yo, even on Tinder to get a girl, be like, to come over.
I'm surprised.
It'll be Tuesday at 10 p.m.
I'll hit someone up for companionship.
Like, literally, just like, hey, want to hang out?
Like, can you put your hair back in the bunch?
I'm sorry.
It's just.
Well, it's all over the place because it's been in a fucking bunch, my guy.
You probably need about five minutes in the bathroom to get it.
Can I get five minutes?
No, no, it's fine.
Just leave it.
It's good.
It's good.
It looks good.
That's rude to a girl.
If you say that to me, I'm out of here.
I'm sorry.
I'm out.
It's tasteful teasing.
Yeah, I think I'm doing okay for myself.
I'm trying to wear sweat.
I don't think anyone else could take their hair out of a slicked back box.
Got it.
Okay, let me get super chats and we'll come back to the easier thing for a little bit.
All right, we got Mike Davis.
Thank you for the $10 soup chat.
Appreciate your support, man.
50 got played.
Big boy used fake pics to get his fat ass through the door and then used his personality to stay.
If a woman pulled that shit on me, she's getting the door slammed.
No Uber or taxi.
Red Misfit with the $10 Soup Chat.
Super excited to see Brandon back.
Fan favorite.
Such a great addition.
You and Chase are the best.
Brian, can you go around and ask the panel if they're bi-curious?
Sure.
Thank you, Red Misfit, for the Soup Chat.
Really quick, are you bi-curious?
I am bi.
I feel like at one point I was.
I don't think anymore.
Yeah.
Sydney.
Emma?
You're bi rent.
Pansexual.
Turn the mic straight on.
How did the I'm reading?
Oh, just so you could read.
Okay, go ahead.
Pansexual.
All right.
I don't think anyone on this side of the table is.
Don't lie.
Don't lie.
It's okay.
Y'all could be okay.
We sincerely safe space.
No, I'm straight.
Brian, do you have a brush?
I don't think so.
So I just have to work with just.
It looks good.
It looks fucking shit.
More lying from Brian.
More lying from Brian.
You've kind of got that.
More lying from Brian.
Get me in bed.
You've got that 80s, 90s glam look going.
All right.
I reckon.
What is she?
Okay.
We have hobo sexual here with the $10 soup chat.
Put some respect on my guy, Brian's name.
This is when Sydney was roasting me, I think.
It's always the ran-throughs that have something to say.
Okay, hobosexual.
All right.
Shooting shots.
Michael Trilstein, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
Good to see you, man.
Donnie T, gonna free Joey E.
So Joey B should pardon.
I can't believe he came from what, Florida?
Trillstein?
Yeah.
Oh, you saw that?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He might be coming back, too.
He actually told me that he has a crush on you.
Does he?
Yeah.
Are you down to meet him?
He's looking for his third girlfriend, though.
I'll meet him, but I don't think I'll go any further than that.
Okay, I see.
Someone said, some guy texted me.
He's like, is I on the pod?
Like right now.
He was on it with Marley, the other guy.
Oh, 60Cal, the rapper.
Yeah, he texted me.
He hit you up?
I hit him up.
Oh, you hit him up.
He gave me his number.
I kind of never texted him back.
Do you like black guys?
Yeah.
Okay.
Because didn't you say your ex was black or I forgot?
Why?
Oh, okay.
I don't know why.
Anyways, whatever.
But he texted me.
He's like, is I on the pod for a little bit?
Yeah, he's cool.
He's been trying to hang out with me out of his habit.
He's cool.
Yeah.
Marley's cool, too.
Yeah, he looks like someone I used to.
He looks like someone that you actually hooked up with.
As in, you hooked up.
Are you saying you hooked up with Marley?
No, no, no, no.
I just, he, okay, I didn't hook up the guy that he looked like, but the guy he looked like was someone that I know, and it's always tripped me out.
I've seen him multiple times.
He just doesn't know who I am.
Okay.
Hobosexual here at $10 Soup Chat.
Thank you, man.
These chicks really don't understand the struggles an average man goes through just to get boxed even once a year.
Men will F women they don't like.
Women don't F men they don't like.
Very good point, hobosexual.
And that will bring us back to me trying to convince these girls that it's harder for men to get laid.
You know what?
Let's do another ta clip, right?
Maybe he can come in with the assist.
Eric, can you pull up the video tab really quick?
I gotta be up early to work.
We'll be done.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
We're gonna wrap soon.
Oh, do you want to watch the ta clip or where are you going?
I'm fixing my hair.
No, your hair's fine.
Don't worry.
Let me get a 30 seconds.
Okay, I will continue the conversation then.
Let's react to some regular chats while we're just doing some regular chats.
Okay, people.
Okay, I talked to you.
This one, Jabba is like 60 IQ.
I just can't get my words out properly, and so people just hate on me.
She's a royal painter.
Sounds like I have a retainer.
Gets game loose.
Okay, fine.
All right, guys, get your regular chats in.
We're going to just read a few.
By the way, can we get some ones in the chat for Emma?
For Eric.
Guys, Eric has been the fucking top G. Eric's a fucking legend.
You got to get him on here.
Sit down for a second.
I think I invited Eric to be on the panel once, but then, yeah, can we get, no, sorry, can we get some W's in the chat for Eric?
And if you're a member, can we get some Pepe Crown emojis for Eric?
We need some fucking.
There we go.
W's in the chat for Eric.
F's in the chat for Christ.
I did his B-Real today.
F's in the chat for Chris.
But yeah, Eric's a fucking legend.
And he's a really nice guy.
And he has a huge penis.
I'm kidding.
Actually, have you seen it?
No.
You sure?
Are you sure, Brian?
I'm sure.
Okay.
Huge.
It's giant.
Have you tried hooking up with anyone?
Wait, say it louder, Eric, so they can hear you.
It's true.
Eric, have you ever gone with any of the girls on the pod?
No.
Eric has.
Do you have a girlfriend?
No.
Boyfriend?
But when he was in the middle of the moment.
Are you asking if he wants to play on it?
Wait, Jabba, can like I hook you up with Eric or what?
I don't know.
Oh, okay, okay.
That's fine.
That's fine.
Oh, God.
God damn.
He's wearing some go for it, but he shot you down way too quick.
It's okay.
Everyone does it.
Everyone does it.
All right.
I'm used to it.
All right.
Emma's back.
We will.
Love it.
All right.
Let's pull up this tape clip.
We're going to do the lonely one.
It's probably lonely.
At the bottom, towards the bottom.
Let's do the F and F lonely.
I don't think most women can actually genuinely understand how lonely.
This community.
You need to truly understand if you're still friends.
Average in nearly every way in Starbucks working.
You ain't getting saddled ever.
As much as you might be unhappy with the possible suitors, you can at least fuck about and blurt if you feel sad.
There are men out here in the world who have genuine loneliness.
I mean, I can prove this statistic.
Why do you think it's all the men killing themselves compared to the women who went?
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Well, shout out.
Shout out to Fresh and Fit.
Check them out on YouTube.
That's a clip from their podcast with Andrew Tate.
He didn't really drop a whole bunch of bombs, but look, men just don't express themselves.
Like, they could be lonely.
You just don't know, of course.
Men are expressing themselves.
Not that I see them.
They are expressing themselves.
It's not that men aren't trying.
Men are trying.
It's just women are rejecting them.
Think of the guys that you reject, that you turn down.
Most other women are also rejecting them too.
Sucks for them.
I give them a shot.
But that's why it's harder for men to get laid.
You don't think so?
Okay.
Let me ask.
Have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
I mean, what do you mean?
Like, first time meeting him, he's like, yeah, I want to fucking know.
Have you ever, okay.
Have you ever been talking to a guy you just met first date and you don't want to he you know he wants to sleep with you.
Maybe he you're making out he's trying to go for it and you're just like no, has that happened?
No so, every time okay so, and that's fine.
But every time the guy goes for it no, they usually don't, they don't, they don't go for it once.
I don't let.
I don't really like that shit.
So, like you don't like when guys no no, try to sleep with you, not after like a first date or anything like.
I'd like to get to know them first.
You just doesn't let it get to that point of them doing it.
I don't let them get to that.
Thank you for proving my point.
You don't let them get to that point.
Do you think they want to?
Yeah, I'm amazing, you're pro, but you're proving my point.
Okay, you're proving my point.
I'm starting to see your side of the story.
Okay Jubilee, have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
Yes okay, 24 hours.
Emma, have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
Yeah okay, has a guy ever made you wait for sex where?
Yes yeah, the first time, first time yes actually, two times.
I don't.
I don't disbelieve it, but that's some outlier shit.
But okay fine Jubilee, has it.
Has a guy ever made you wait for sex depends on the situation, like, am I going over there knowing that we're just gonna hook up or this is the first time ever?
I'm not talking like oh no no, no.
I'm not talking like you've already hooked up, i'm talking the first time, oh.
Then I would like to redact my statement.
Well, first time after okay, go ahead.
After like a few dates and i've wanted to have sex with them, they've been like no, but like first time no, no.
But I mean okay, had had you guys already hooked up before?
No, okay.
So then you all of a sudden wanted to fuck and they didn't, yeah.
But were you, let me clarify, were you pushing for it?
No, I would never push for it.
That's like not okay, I don't mean push for it, but like clarifying, when you clarifying you want.
What i'm saying is, is that yeah it's, it's one thing if you want sex, but if you don't communicate that, whereas guys will like guys, what we will initiate, and then the girl will say no, and then you know, obviously, wait till next time or whatever.
So you said, you did you okay, you wanted to have sex.
Did you make a move on the guy and he said no no no, let's keep waiting.
Yeah, that's cap, come on.
Stop the cap, come on.
It's only happened a few times, though.
All right, I mean, I don't.
I don't think that's an impossible scenario, but it's probably an outlier situation.
To be fair, I've only been on a date with a very few amount of guys.
I've only like had sex with a very few amount of guys.
So, my like perspective on all this is very like slim.
Okay, fair enough.
I met, I mean, the guy I'm talking to, I barely met him like last weekend.
And we were like making out whatever, and he's like, let's go to my room.
And I was like, okay.
Didn't do anything.
I told him, like, hey, I'm not going to.
I'm not going to have sex with you.
And he's like, okay, that's fine.
I left, whatever.
Next day, see him again.
I said, hey, we're not going to.
Didn't.
Woke up in the morning, caved.
But like, that's because I wanted to.
But, like, I still made a wait.
I mean, I've made a good like 24 hours.
But roles reversed.
I can't remember me.
I don't think a guy, I mean, guys, fuck anything.
Like, they just want to in general.
But no, I don't think it's, I don't think if guys ever tell me, like, no.
We're going to wait.
Is it attractive when you're kicking it with a guy and he's not going out of his way to try to fuck you?
Yeah.
Love it.
Love it.
Isn't that why you fucked him after the third day in the morning?
No.
I just wanted to.
Sydney?
Once.
Once with my ex-fang.
Yeah, like we were like, but like I liked how slow he went.
Like he didn't even kiss me until like the third or fourth date.
So like it was like almost like really like it was like I was slightly irritated because I was like, why is nothing happening?
But then I was also like, this is really nice that it's like going so slow.
You know what though?
I do think you guys are a bit on the younger side.
So I do think that there's an explanation to these guys taking it slow.
When guys are really in, if they're inexperienced or maybe they're scared to make a move, then they just won't make a move.
So that could be perceived as making you wait.
Yeah.
So if these were like younger relationships.
Which is how it was with my, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, I remember when I was 17, 18, like, it took me a little longer to, you know, make a move to go for the kiss because I was a bit more nervous about it.
But now it's just like.
Yeah.
You know.
Yeah.
What are you going to say, Juby?
Yeah, I mean, like, definitely like not on the same, but I was saying, like, guys making their first move and girls making the first move.
Girls don't really make the first move.
Oh, I do.
Yeah.
I've done it so many times.
It's so fun.
Oh, I do it.
I feel like I love it.
I'm just doing it.
You do it?
Occasionally.
I don't like doing it, but occasionally, yeah.
Oh, I'll do it if a guy's not doing it.
I'll go for it.
I do it majority.
Okay, so you think it's easier for, again, for in my life and the people I know.
I'm speaking in general.
Generally, I don't know.
I would say, like, I don't believe that it's easier for men, even in your life, to get laid.
Okay.
Because you, maybe you don't.
You could get laid super easily.
Do you disagree with that?
No.
You don't think so?
No, I agree with you.
You're on a dating.
Have you ever been on a dating app?
I have, but I deleted it after that.
Okay, well, dating apps would be a good way to do it.
But like, we could walk, we could go outside right now on this street right here.
This is the main thoroughfare.
Hold on.
I could walk with you.
I could pretend to be your gay best friend, and I could get you laid for you.
I'd be like, I'd go up to, here's what I do.
I'd go up to a guy, be the gay best friend.
Hey, do you see that girl over there?
Hey, I mean, this would work better in a party type environment.
It's a fucking Tuesday, but I could still do it.
I'd go up to a guy, be like, hey, do you see that girl over there?
She thinks you're cute.
She's down.
Just play your cards right.
Just say, what's up, go introduce yourself, and boom.
Yeah, no, no, I agree with you.
A girl could not do that to a guy.
Like, for example, none of you could be my agents in getting me pussy.
Yeah, I could.
Why?
You could not, okay.
You could not go up to a girl on my behalf and say, do you see that guy over there?
Yeah, I could.
No, because he's a coward.
He doesn't say it himself.
Sydney, that's what, yeah, that's exactly what I'm about to say.
If you went up to a girl on my behalf, the girl would be like, he's a pussy.
Why isn't he just coming up to me?
Why does he need you?
She's immediately going to be like, nah.
Don't get me wrong.
Like, I understand both points of views.
Like, I go out to the bar on college night with like one of my guy guy buddies and like we like wingman each other.
But no, like coming from, like, if as a woman, like, if another girl came up to me and be like, oh my god, like, hey, that guy over there, he's like really into you.
Like, you should, like, I'd be like, well, come to me and like say it yourself.
Like, it's different than me as a woman, like, going up to him and shooting my shot versus another girl being like, hey, you should go shoot your shot.
Because it's like, well, why doesn't he want to do it to me himself?
Sydney, did you say you've made a, or a guy made you wait?
Yeah.
Okay.
That was.
Well, I literally, actually, I need, I need advice on this.
All right.
Okay.
Are you talking about me right?
No, no.
Talking about this thing right here?
On the panel.
Sorry, that's my alarm.
Go ahead and continue.
For your birth control alarm?
Birth control alarm.
Is it?
Well, because.
Hold on.
Do you have to turn off your birth control?
Until you score.
That's right, baby.
Okay, go ahead.
Obviously, I've never had a guy make me wait, but my last situationship, it was a situation where there was a lot of physical chemistry and a lot of sexual chemistry.
But, and like, it's not, I think we were both really horny for each other and really down for each other.
But when it came down to having sex, he was like, no.
Wait, so you said you were asking for advice?
Yeah, like, what's up with that?
Wait, hold on.
Your ex, was it?
Well, no, it was a guy I was seeing after my ex.
It was like a situationship.
And obviously, yeah, it was just a very strange situation because he didn't want to have sex.
Wait, so how many dates or how many times did you hang out before?
We basically hung out consistently for like two weeks.
We hung out with each other every single day and like stayed over at each other's places like every single night.
And not to get like too graphic, but like for most of our like cuddles and stuff, like we obviously like made out and had cuddles.
Wow, that was really graphic.
I mean, my guy was bricked up the whole time.
Like there was no issue down there.
Pretend like you didn't just make my dick go soft.
Wait, so okay, hold on.
So you guys were cuddling.
Okay, so this is like recent because I was like not ready to see anyone after my ex.
And then I like recently clicked with someone where it was like out of nowhere.
It was just like, oh my god, this guy's so cute.
Like he's so, I'm so into him.
He's so into me.
We hung out.
We were like inseparable every day for like two weeks.
So into each other.
And then I was like, okay, when I was finally like, okay, I'm ready to have sex with this guy.
Like it's been a while.
He was just not for it.
Just wasn't happening.
So you overtly asked him what's up?
I didn't want to pry because I feel like in those situations, men do get like performance anxiety.
And I've had situations where men like aren't able to perform because like you're too pushy or too.
Or just like overbearing.
Like, my first ex was like, I thought it was, I literally, like, point blank was like, what, like, why aren't you performing?
And he was like, honestly, like, you scare me.
He's like, oh, I haven't been like with a girl that's like this, like, intimidating is what he said.
You're intimidating?
I don't think that's bullshit.
I don't think so.
Like, I don't think that's a legitimate reason.
That's such an L to say that.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like, that's such a weird thing.
I have never met a co-intimitor.
a lot of guys no reason for it so it's like it could be a soy boy i think i think I think that kind of dude watches too much porn, jerks off too much.
Something like that.
That's why I'm saying, like, from a girl's perspective and from a guy's perspective, what is the real deal?
What is the real thing that I'm not being told that they're telling me, oh, I don't want to like.
Okay, let's start with the first scenario that you gave.
So you were kind of doing these cuddle sessions, hanging out all the time with this guy.
Yeah, all the time.
And so into each other.
Were your guys' clothes off or clothes on?
Like, bobs, yeah, like bits and bobs.
And he just wasn't escalating things forward, like he wasn't taking your clothes off or whatever.
No, it was like that, where it was like, there was like a situation where it was like.
Was there heavy petting?
Yeah, heavy petting.
And like there was a certain point.
Hands being used.
Yes.
And there was like a situation where I was like, I decided to escalate it because it would get like right up into that, like right up to that point, except not that point.
Fallatio?
Did you go down on him?
Yes.
But like.
Maybe, wait, I know what I think I know.
What's you gave him head, right?
Yeah.
You're a blowjob Betty.
He just wanted head.
No, it's like...
He didn't want to fuck you.
He just wanted head.
No, it wasn't that.
It was like that.
There was like literally, I'm not a dummy.
Like, I know when a guy just like wants head or wants to, like, whatever.
But there was like clearly such an emotional connection.
And like the fact that he was like always horny around me.
And then like, except for physical sex, I don't want to like say his side of the story because I feel like that would like expose a private part of what he was struggling with.
But like the story he gave me of like why he couldn't have sex or like he basically his whole.
Well, that's what I said.
I was like, is he gay?
Like I was like, I literally deadass was like, are you gay?
Like what's going on?
Like, but wait, so you, okay, how many, how many total times did you hang out with him?
Total dates?
14.
14.
Every day for two weeks.
A fortnight.
Every day for two weeks.
Do you guys not have jobs?
Like what?
Yeah.
But like we were.
Even if I really fucking love a girl out there.
No, but he was.
It was so like twice a week.
He would like come have lunch with me.
I would go over to his house after work and it was like we were on dates.
Sounds like a very special guy, I think.
That's what I'm saying.
Like what?
Short bust.
So confused.
There's just and like I didn't want to make it like make me insecure.
Everybody knows you never go full return.
I like I've never had that issue before.
So okay, so you gave him head.
Did he climax?
Okay.
Did he climax?
Okay, not to get into the nitty-gritty, but like the thing was like we would try to have sex.
Okay, so you tried.
We would try.
And he would lose?
Yes, essentially.
Yeah.
I was like, he's gay.
That's what happened to me.
I mean, he could, it could be nerves.
Was it performance anxiety?
He was hard.
That's what he told me.
That like he was like, oh, I have a lot of performance anxiety and also be stuffed from a previous relationship.
But that's what I want to, like, that's why I'm not.
Wait, but hold on, hold on, hold on.
You said that he was bricked up.
That's what I'm saying.
Because he obviously doesn't have problems down there because he was so horny for me all the time.
Like, anytime he'd see me with my clothes, like, half off or off, he'd be like, oh my god, like, I want you so bad.
Yeah, so you guys did have sex.
You technically, like, be honest, it was inside of me.
Like, you tried, right?
But is it sexy?
Because that's a body.
That's a body.
No.
See, that's what, like, girls will claim, like, that's not a body, but like, y'all fucked.
But he lost it, right?
Yeah.
While it was inside you?
Well, no, it was basically like.
Or, or would it be hold?
And I'm not judging you, but okay, so maybe you'd give him whatever he's bricked up, and then as you were, like, getting on top or like going for it, he would lose it.
So basically, prematurely.
This is so graphic.
No, this is so this is so graphic.
But like the time we did try where it did go in.
You guys fuck.
Okay, so you did fuck.
Well, he went in and he was like, it's too tight.
It's too tight.
Like, I gotta get out of here.
So he was gonna bust.
You got that gorilla grit pussy.
He was gonna, it was just too, you got that unicorn magical sugar ball pussy.
But I feel like that's not, that's not like the, there's more to it.
No, it's probably like he need your pussy was so magical, he was like, I don't think that it was like upon entry, he's like, I'm gonna come.
This is gonna be embarrassing.
Let me pull out.
Which I get, but then like, why not like, why just like why not just bust?
Or I don't know.
Like, why, why is that set?
Like, why is that so taboo?
Like, why can't he just like tell me that straight up?
Why does he have to like say all these things and like make it weird for both of us when I'm the one trying to make it not weird?
I'm like, it's okay if you know this or that, but girls are getting restless over here, bro.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Be polite.
We want in-and-out.
I have to work.
I have to work in the morning.
In-night closes at 1 p.m.
I have to wake up at 8 a.m.
We'll wrap soon.
I'm in my eight hours.
We'll wrap soon.
We'll wrap very soon.
Okay, so my tale of woe.
Let's talk about that after the show.
They got to leave.
We'll talk more about that after the show.
Honestly, I'm going to.
Even if you're staying right here with him, anyways, you guys can talk about it.
No, y'all can talk.
Wait, what?
Honestly, I honestly might text him and be like, hey, so you got to be like, hey, come over.
And then you're going to be like, yeah.
No, I'm going to text that guy that I didn't work out with.
They're going to be like, we got to the bottom of it.
We figured it out.
Everything's okay.
Okay.
Turned out to be therapy on tonight's show, right?
Dr. Phil over here.
Fill him up.
Well, you did recommend we should get more into the.
I want to take you to the club, bro.
We got to get you out of the studio with the COs with the promotion.
Hey, yeah.
Right?
And what?
Bring the camera, bring our story, and we'll have a great night.
Then we'll go to the rhino.
Set the pod in.
We should do it there.
The viewers will love it.
I'm a man of principle.
Oh, the principle of going on.
Look at the podcast that we do.
This is a little, we're a little raunchy right here.
I feel like it won't hurt.
That point right there, right?
In the flesh, at the club, Santa Barbara downtown with the camera.
A special.
Don't worry, 40 years.
Can I do the video where I go if you guys like?
Wait, okay.
Actually, before you guys leave, just to put a cherry on top of the whole is dating easier for men or women thing.
That was not what it was.
It was sex.
Well, okay, dating.
I mean, it's both both are easier.
Both are easier for women, but whatever.
Yes.
Both are easier.
Brian, take a fucking chance, buddy.
Go hang out with the ex-con, Brian.
It's not you, it's just I don't like to go to clubs.
Oh, I know.
It's not me, it's you.
But um, okay.
Eric, can you play the uh Andrea asking for ex-X video?
I wanna can I do it?
Sure, we'll get you to do it.
I will go up to anyone, I don't care.
Would you have sex with me?
I want to do that.
Oh my god.
Yes?
No?
Can you please?
You can just kind of lay there and I'll just do my thing.
Why not?
Okay, let's go.
Girls really crazy.
I always want to ask you guys if you would be down to have sex with me.
Like right, like literally right now.
Your house is like right over there.
I'll go with you.
Right now?
Yeah, why not?
Let me know if this is too forward.
If you would have sex with me.
Hold on, I'm on the.
Mom, can I call you back?
Maybe you'd want to have sex with me.
Yes.
Yeah?
Yes.
Right now?
Like, literally, my house is like right over there.
Sure.
You want to have sex with me?
Are you out of your mind?
Maybe a little bit.
You and Drake?
Kind of the best way.
Oh, no, I'm completely sober.
You out of your mind.
In the best kind of way.
My house is your ones.
Okay.
You want to have sex with me?
Please.
What?
Yes.
I'm serious.
Like, my house is like right there.
All right.
I'm good.
Okay, let's do it.
You want to have sex with me?
Yeah.
I don't know if this is serious.
Would you like to hang out with us first?
Um, no, really.
Yeah, just it'll be like really quick, like 15 minutes.
That's 20.
Okay.
Alright, ready to go?
Yeah, let's go.
Okay.
I better not be getting robbed right now.
Okay.
I come out of a bush.
So that's the girl version.
That was a Nyla Vista, by the way.
That was a video that we produced many years ago.
Eric, can you play my version?
Speak English.
Yeah.
I just thought you were really cute.
And I want to know if you wanted to have sex.
No.
Okay.
I just thought you were cute.
And I wanted to know if you wanted to have sex.
No.
No.
I thought you were really cute.
And I want to know if you want to have sex with me.
And I want to know if you want to have sex.
Do you guys speak English?
No.
Australia.
Oh, Australia Cole.
You guys are really cute.
Okay.
And I want to know if you guys wanted to have sex.
Do you want to have sex?
No?
To have sex with me?
I just thought you were cute, and I just want to know if you wanted to have sex.
No, thank you.
All right, night.
Sex with me.
Are you stupid or I'm a little stupid?
Do you want to lie on the ground or not?
Right now.
Yes.
What do you mean, lie on the ground?
Baby, gonna sleep very hard.
Yes?
When I'm on the ground or not?
That's not what you're gonna ask, a lady.
No.
Oh.
I'm not from around here, so I don't know the custom.
Anyways, does that change?
Why didn't you do it in IV?
I actually, well, I did do it in IV, but just the clip that I have, I did it once in IV and then once in Amsterdam and France.
So a few of those clips were from France, but I did do it in IV and the results were pretty bad.
Pretty, pretty bad.
And when I say bad, I mean zero out of a hundred.
Bad.
Sucks.
And then I had another guy do it, who I think is better, more attractive than me.
Also, zero out of a hundred.
I think if I went out right now and said, do you want to have sex with me?
I don't think anyone would say yes or no.
I think they'd be like, are you crazy?
They might ask, why are you filming a whatever?
Are you filming a whatever video?
I mean, it is kind of a very blunt way to say it.
Hey, do you want to have sex with me?
But if you played it more like, hey, would you be down to hookup?
Even the phrasing would probably have to be.
And this whole narrative that women that are partaking in hookup culture are so gross and stuff, then why would anyone want to hook up with me if I was just putting it out there?
Well, that would bring it back to body count, right?
That would bring it back to the body count discussion.
I think if you did walk around, you're a club promoter, aren't you?
Yeah.
I mean, you could probably sleep with 90% of the guys that come to your bar.
Is the club a bar?
Which bar is it?
EOS.
Yeah, you could sleep with.
You're an attractive woman.
You could sleep with like 90% of the guys in there, for sure.
Most of them are married.
You could sleep with 90% of the men in there.
Probably.
90% of them are married.
Okay, not 90, but we get a lot of, I do like table reservations and bottle service, and a lot of them are like bachelors.
Most of our crowd is like 30, 40% bachelors.
Like bachelor parties?
Exactly.
Well, I'm sure so.
And most of our high rollers are all married men.
So they basically, they like a little flirt and a little tease.
If you're married, it's a little escape.
It's like they like a little flirt and a tease, but nothing more.
Wait, why would you do it?
Why not?
If he's having a guy's night and he goes to a club, what's wrong with that?
So let's wrap it up on this.
You brought it back to the body count thing there for a little bit.
Should body count matter?
Final question of the night.
Let's start here.
No.
No.
In certain contexts, yes.
Brandon?
Depending on what you're looking for, but in general, no.
Okay.
So body count shouldn't matter.
What's your body count?
I stopped counting.
You stopped counting?
Yeah.
But hold on.
I've had four serious relationships.
So I know that much.
But you said earlier that you have a low body count.
Yeah.
But you said you stopped counting.
Yeah, I mean, I don't keep a record.
But okay, if you have a low body count.
If you're going to ballpark it, it would probably be.
But okay.
If I've slept with three people.
Yeah, I've slept with more than three people.
Right.
But I'm going to remember.
I'm not going to lose track of the three people I've slept with.
It's not that I've lose track, it's that I don't tack them down.
Like, I don't have a notes app in my phone.
Well, no, you don't need to, you know, you want me to just ballpark it?
Sure.
Okay, I would have four serious relationships plus, I would say, a handful of hookups.
Okay.
In between.
Okay.
So.
So that's not really a ballpark.
I mean, I've had less than 10 hookups, but probably more than five, somewhere in between there.
So between five and ten total, or five and ten hookups plus the four.
Plus the four.
Yeah, I've slept with my serious boyfriends, obviously.
So.
Okay.
And then a few other situationships.
Okay, Sydney.
I don't say mine just for like you've revealed it before, though, haven't you?
On my first show, I like ballparked it, but I don't, just for like my own like personal like privacy.
Okay, Jubilee.
Said it once, don't need to say it again.
Jubilee.
Jubilee.
Why do you say my name like that?
Can you say what it is?
It's like 30.
Well, wasn't it like 33 the last time I was in?
I said it was like 30.
So has it grown?
It's grown like one.
One.
One or two.
One or two.
I'm trying to count.
I'm like, okay, wait, wait.
Wait, question.
So you're just, you're 19, correct?
Correct.
Okay.
I'm just trying to do the math here.
Okay.
When did you lose your virginity?
I was 14.
14?
Okay, so you've been active for five years.
Five years.
So by the time you're 30, do you think your body count will be like 100?
No.
Because right now it's 33 at 19.
So projecting, if my math, if my stop, you're going to stop.
You're going to stop.
Jubilee?
Huh?
Okay, so I'll get into a female relationship.
Jubilee, I want you to get in touch with me when you're 30.
Okay.
And I want you to tell me what your body count is.
Okay, 10 years.
I'll let you know.
If it's less than 100, how much you owe me.
I'll get you a double, double it.
I'm going to go get it tonight.
You have to take me to Olive Garden.
Okay, I'll take you to Olive Garden.
How about that?
That's fair.
Not a date, though.
Like a platonic.
No, no, no.
I'm okay.
No, no, it'll be very platonic.
Platonic.
Very platonic.
I'm okay.
I think it's like seven or eight.
You'd think?
Yeah.
I feel like if it's that low, don't you, wouldn't you know?
I don't know.
Okay, you think it's seven or eight?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
So.
Brian, your turn.
I mean, Brandon, do you want to share your body count?
Just into the microphone.
I mean, 11 years of not being around women, period.
Can you really quickly tell us, remember that story you told me over the phone when we were speaking a couple weeks ago with the guard?
Can you reveal that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
There was a female CEO when I was in prison in Soledad, and she was actually my supervisor.
I was her porter.
I worked in the building.
And she was a beautiful woman.
She was green, meaning she was very fresh.
She'd only been a CEO for like two years.
I'm already nine, ten years into my term, so I'm a seasoned convict.
And, you know, there was a mutual attraction, and it went beyond the other staff.
It went beyond, you know, my Sally or my homeboys telling them anything.
We were just very into each other.
There was a lieutenant that was into her and started to notice I was a little too close to her.
Put me in a situation where I actually ended up in the hole for about six months behind it and I got out of the hole, went to a different yard.
She found out I was on that yard, put in to get her transfer from where she was to where I was.
And then we were just on the yard for about a year just like, like in love with each other, but could never express it, could never have a private moment, could never.
It was always just she would get off her shift at two o'clock And right like at one o'clock, she would start circling the track backwards.
There's a big track in the prison yard.
She would walk backwards with her partner on purpose.
I would finish my workout and walk the opposite way so that every time we hit the track twice in a row, we'd, you know, she'd sip some water, she'd sip some water and throw her eyes to the left to look at me, and I would do the same through my glasses.
And that's all we ever had.
Hi, cue.
I hope that when I go to prison, someone will want to hook up with me.
It was, I mean, everybody hated her because she was such a bitch, but it was a front, and I seen right through it, and I just...
Did you just say same?
I said same.
Anyway, no, it's actually a long story.
There's a lot of little things that happened in between that.
I checked her a couple times, and she loved it.
And right then and there, I knew, like, if I was in the street, I could, she would be mine.
I would be her.
Can you tell us about, wasn't there, like, a other CEO that was feeling her, and he made your life hell, right?
He was a lieutenant, and he just was a little prick type of dude.
And he would see me go in her bathroom because I would clean her bathroom.
I actually waxed it up and tainted it all sick and shit.
We were on lockdown, so I just went nuts with the paint and hooked it up for her.
You actually cleaned her bathroom?
I thought that was prison slang for something.
That's like our job as porters is to clean the day room, the showers, and all that stuff.
I thought it was like cleaned her bathroom.
No, there's a staff restroom behind the CEO's office, and I would go in there.
She wouldn't let nobody in there but me.
Oh, that's true.
Because she had like her purse and private shit, and she don't trust anybody.
She's trusting me.
Are y'all?
When I paroled, I never heard.
It just gone.
Missed connection.
Yeah, pretty much.
All right.
No super chats here.
Last thing, Jabba, do you want to say anything to the friend who backstabbed you?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I guess I'd like her, love her.
It just kind of fucked up what you did.
I don't know.
It's kind of annoying.
I didn't think you would do that.
What?
I didn't think she would do that.
Oh, she took your man.
Yeah.
She stole your man.
Well, he wasn't my man, but I wanted to do that.
Well, but yeah, but you were there first.
The thing was that he didn't want anything with me, but then I was like, hey, because he called me and was like, hey, like, I know you found out about it, but I wanted to talk to you about it, see how you feel.
And I was like, hey, she's not a hookup person.
Like, she's not going to just hook up with you.
He's like, I know that.
I'm like, you're going to have to try because I know.
I'm like, so, but you didn't want anything else more with me, but you want more with her.
That's what fucked me up.
Damn.
Anyways.
We know how to make sense.
Okay, we're going to wrap up there.
Any last opportunity, final thought?
Anybody?
No.
Final thought?
Anybody?
Final thought.
Like I was mentioning before, social media, there's a lot of real, everybody's real, but the vibe can be fake.
And until you meet somebody and get a feel for who they are, like the real them, don't make any kind of serious judgment calls on yourself, how they make you feel, if they ghost you or vice versa.
Like, remember, it's fucking AI.
It's artificial intelligence.
And if you're not seeing somebody face to face and expressing real human shit, don't put that much into it.
Just take it with a grain of salt.
All right.
Good times.
Good times.
All right, guys, we're going to wrap up.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
You could have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
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Thank you guys once again for watching.
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Okay, you could be next.
Sweet.
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