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So if you want to go ahead and bring it back, Eric, we are going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
Hey guys, I'm Eliza.
I'm 19 years old.
I'm currently unemployed, and I go to Santa Barbara City College, and I'm a communications major.
I'm Natalia.
I am 21 years old.
I'm a photographer, a singer, and a social media marketing manager type of thing.
And I'm not in school right now.
And was there another question?
No, that's it.
Okay.
Hi, everyone.
My name is Anastasia.
I'm 19 years old and I'm doing marketing right now.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Cheyenne.
I'm 21 years old, and I currently work at Target, and I'm also studying communication.
Hi, I'm Christina.
I'm 37 years old, and I'm a singer-songwriter.
I write original music.
I go by Night Rain, R-E-I-G-N.
And I'm here in Santa Barbara right now.
So that's pretty much it for now.
Okay.
I'm Josh, 23, and I'm in real estate.
School or anything?
Just real estate.
Okay.
So you're unemployed.
Yes, currently.
Did you say you were in school too?
Yeah, I go to school, but I don't have a job yet.
Okay, got it.
Really quick, just of those of you who are in school, what school do you go to?
Santa Barbara City College.
It's my second year.
And what are you studying?
Communication.
Did you already say that?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not listening, guys.
I'm just all over the place.
We're going to go around the panel once more.
So relationship status, longest relationship.
And are you on the dating app?
Okay.
I'm currently single, guys.
My longest relationship was about one to two years, depending on how I would define a relationship.
Define it.
We dated for a year, but then we were friends and hung out for a whole year after then.
But we weren't really dating.
So like one to two years kind of dating.
There's blurred lines there.
And I'm not currently using any dating apps.
Okay.
Have you ever been on the dating app?
Yeah, I've definitely had my fair share of Tinder.
Fair share of Tinder.
Yeah.
What does your fair share of Tinder mean?
I mean, like, I've met a few people on there.
Not too many.
I've talked to some people, but really, I realize it's just, there's other ways that I personally would like to find people rather than a dating app like Tinder.
Seeking arrangements?
I've been on there, actually.
You've been on seeking arrangements?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've actually have been on there.
Yeah.
Tell us about that.
I met some guy once.
He was chill.
He wasn't like too old or creepy or anything.
But you know, we had our exchanges, we had our exchanges, and we both got our benefits out of it.
What was the arrangement?
He just wanted to hang out.
He was from LA, so like he, my friend drove me there, and then we hung out and we're talking and like they stayed the whole time to make sure he wasn't a murderer or anything, you know?
Just to make sure I was safe.
You guys got dinner or something?
Yeah, and then we hung out.
And so your friends were like.
Yeah, they made sure.
When I met, we met up at a Starbucks, and they were like watching us.
Fuck.
To make sure it was real.
And he pulled up and I was like, guys, it's good.
It's good.
And then we went and hung out and they picked me up and it was all good.
We never hung out after then, but I've texted a few guys on there after then and had some arrangements.
How much did he pay you for the Starbucks?
1K.
$1,000?
Yeah.
For a Starbucks.
Yeah, I mean, we went back to his house, but.
Oh.
Yeah.
We just hung out, though.
Just hung out?
Yeah.
I mean it.
oh eric can you uh unmute hit hit the uh eric can you hit the unmute button on the keyboard i'm just surprised and then boost it to 70 if it's Perfect.
Thanks, Eric.
Wait, okay.
So $1,000?
Yeah.
Did y'all get it in?
No, no, not even not that.
I mean, like, we had a little, you know, kissing action, but I have boundaries and I don't let people cross those.
You know what?
You probably didn't even have to do that.
I know.
I probably could have just hugged him.
Chilled at the Starbucks.
Yeah.
But so why wasn't there a second?
I ended up, we just didn't talk for a long time.
And there were some things that I was just like, do I even like really want to go back to that?
I was like, I can do other things and make money other ways than like that.
So I texted him another time, but we never ended up actually hanging out or anything.
So I was just out once with him.
He didn't pursue it after that?
No, he didn't.
Okay.
Yeah.
And how long were it, like, the total hangout time was, what, two, three hours?
Yeah, two, three hours.
Wow, 1K, two, three hours.
Yeah.
And that was the only time you met someone from seeking around.
In person, yeah.
Okay.
Were there other guys that you just sent like feet pics to or what?
Yeah, there were some guys who I just like talked to and they would just like, you know, want some pics and then I would get some money.
Okay.
Like yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing too much.
I'm just being honest here.
I'm an open book a little bit.
No, it's great.
Appreciate your honesty.
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't mean to cut you off there.
So you were saying you were on some dating apps.
Yeah.
Was it just Tinder or were there some others too?
Just Tinder.
I think I went on like some other ones, Hinge or something.
Is that Farmers Only?
Dating app?
No, I'm definitely not on Farmers Only.
Christian Mingle?
Yeah, I mean like I should try those maybe.
You should.
Maybe.
Okay, we'll move along.
Go ahead.
So relationship status, longest relationship, and are you or have you been on the dating app?
Yeah, my relationship status is very confusing right now.
My longest...
A little pressure to the mic.
Oh.
My longest relationship is like three and a half years, which is the one that I'm kind of in right now.
We're taking a break from each other, but we're not seeing any other people.
You're on a break, but you're not seeing other people.
Yeah.
Okay.
When did the break occur?
March of this year, so a few months ago.
Are you guys still hooking that up?
Yeah.
So you're not, you're kind of together, right?
I know.
It's really confusing.
It's like, I know.
We're like best friends and we're still like together, but not 100% like we're dedicated to each other, but we're not dating and we want to take away like the pressure of being in a relationship right now, like off of each other, so that we can because we've been together since I was like 17.
So I was like 21.
Okay.
Yeah, so like not a little kid, but I was really young.
And like I, we're both from Minnesota.
We moved together here.
And we just didn't really get to grow separately.
So it's kind of just temporary.
Like codependence.
Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Okay.
100%.
So just trying to like figure out navigating our paths as individuals so that eventually maybe we could come back together.
So.
Okay.
And you were talking Eliza, right?
Eliza.
Eliza.
Yeah.
I'm terrible at pronouncing names.
I butcher it all the time.
So you had sort of a similar situation because you said you were dating a guy for what, a year?
Yeah.
And then you broke up, but y'all were still hanging out.
Yeah, I was very codependent.
Okay.
But when you say you broke up, but you were hanging out.
Yeah.
So you're still hooking up.
Yeah, we were definitely still hooking up and stuff, but it just wasn't so much like the same boundaries that a relationship would have.
It was a bit unclear and a bit untruthful in some ways.
So you guys weren't monogamous.
Yeah, some of us weren't.
Some of us.
Keyword you or him.
Okay, so you were just seeing.
Theoretically.
Yeah, I mean, like, we both, it was pretty toxic, but we both did some pretty messed up stuff.
But I was.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, no.
I know that I've grown a lot.
I've grown a lot since then, and I hope he's grown a lot and reflected on himself.
But just because the way it's been, I don't really know how much, how much progress could have been made.
But hopefully.
What did you do that was toxic?
I mean, it was just a lot of arguing and going back to an unhealthy relationship and ending it and then going back and ending it and then going back and just not being able to be alone by myself, really.
Why was he constantly dumping you?
It was me leaving him.
Okay.
Because I felt like he just couldn't give me what I needed, but I was so codependent, I kept going back.
You know?
Okay, wow.
There's a T. Damn.
And are you guys still.
I haven't talked to him in over a year.
Okay.
And then just going back to you, so dating apps?
No, I've never had one.
Never had one.
Never.
Okay.
Yeah.
How did you meet your semi-quasi sort of boyfriend?
High school.
My like 11th grade year of high school.
I moved to his school for like three quarters of the year.
We never talked or anything.
Like he was trying to pursue something, but I was in a different relationship.
So I wasn't talking to him, of course.
But then I don't really know.
It's really confusing.
But then he moved away and then we started talking over like Snapchat or something.
And then football player?
Basketball player.
Basketball player.
Okay.
And wait, just going back to you really quick.
Yeah.
How was it toxic?
Did you ever slash his tires?
No, it was nothing like physical like that.
It was more just mental.
Ah.
Yeah.
Those are the best ones.
So great.
Moving over to you.
So current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you currently on the dating app?
Okay, so I'm single and I've been single my whole life.
Okay.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
And you're remind me, 19, 20?
19.
Okay.
I mean, there's time.
Yeah.
Right?
Sure.
So you've been single your whole life.
Yeah.
So no relationships.
Well, I mean, you've been single your whole life.
I just don't count them as a relationship.
What is the longest period of time that you've been seeing a guy?
Like six months.
That's kind of no, but it's not like, oh, boyfriend and girlfriend.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So for those six months, though, it was very casual then?
Yeah, I was really young.
It was like a high school thing.
That's why I don't count as like a relationship, you know?
Okay.
Yeah.
Dating apps?
Not right now.
I had before, but just like curiosity, like watch, like see who's there, but not actually like hang out with people and stuff.
So you've never been on a date or anything from a dating app, never met up with anybody?
Okay.
So you're from Brazil, right?
Yeah, Brazil.
How long have you been in the U.S.?
I moved a year ago.
Okay, so you were on the dating apps back in Brazil or here?
Here.
Just here.
Yeah.
In Brazil's kind of weird.
In Brazil, dating apps are weird?
Yeah, no one used that in my age.
No, yeah.
Is it frowned upon or is it judged?
Is it frowned upon?
Kind of.
Like, if you go in an app, you're just going to see like people really old.
There's no, like, people at your age, you know?
It's something, like, it's, it's, I don't know, like.
When I came here and everyone's like, oh, do you have Tinder?
Look at my Tinder.
I was like, what?
Do you have Tinder?
Like, what?
But here is really common.
Like, all my friends.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's super common.
Super common.
Yeah.
But so in Brazil, it's not.
Is there a specific dating app that's like a Brazilian dating app?
Instagram.
This is the only thing we use.
Instagram is a data.
We like meet people.
Not actually dating people.
I mean, that is.
Instagram can be considered a dating app.
That's how a lot of people goes down in the DMs.
Okay.
So you've been using Instagram for your dating adventures.
Okay.
I prefer in person.
Like, if I meet someone in person, it's better.
Sure.
I'm not going to try to find like online and stuff, but if it happens, it's probably Instagram.
Yeah.
Okay.
Can we get some Brazilian flags in the chat?
No, yeah, please.
Let's go, guys.
In the chat, guys.
So relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on a dating app?
I am currently single.
I think the longest relationship I had was probably about a year.
It kind of like started to get blurry towards the end of it.
Things were confusing.
So like about a year.
And then I am on dating apps currently, but it literally just depends on my mood at the time.
I like will delete it one day and it'll be gone for months.
And then one day I'll be bored again and re-download it.
So it's on and off.
What's your go-to dating app?
So I've only downloaded them twice.
And the first time I had Tinder, and now I'm trying Hinge.
And I kind of like Hinge more.
I don't know.
Tinder was very like get to the point.
Hinge is a bit more serious, for sure.
Is the Christian mingle?
Is there?
Oh, you know, I tried it once and it didn't go well.
Okay.
Wait, actually?
No.
Wait, and really quick, so you've been on Seeking Arrangements.
I don't suspect you've been on it.
Brazil, have you been on Seeking Arrangements?
It's not popular at all.
Like, I just heard about it here.
Okay.
Yeah.
But you haven't been on it?
I tried it because Eliza's my friend.
Your friends.
Yeah, so try to support my friends.
Yeah, you have the good ideas.
They influence me somehow.
And I tried, but I don't actually know how he works.
So I was just like, eh.
I mean, it's basically lonely men or wealthy men, older men typically, that will basically pay you for your attention and time.
That's in school.
I mean, they guys like Brazilian women, so I mean, you should try it out maybe.
Yeah, maybe Hawkamon.
She would help me.
Okay, so have you been on Seeking Arrangements?
I actually have, yeah.
Me and my roommate downloaded it and I haven't ever met up with anybody, but like Eliza's story, that sounds like ideal.
Like not having to do anything and not being too scared, but getting paid a bunch of money just to like sit and look pretty.
Like if that's what that's what they want, I would do that.
But I think I would also want to bring a friend along just to make sure.
Tilt the microphone down towards you just a bit.
Perfect.
Yeah, just to make sure nothing goes wrong because I feel like you can never be too safe with that thing.
Even with like normal dating apps like Hinge and Tinder, it's like super intimidating the thought of actually meeting up with the person.
So let alone seeking arrangements where they're like older men specifically looking for like pretty young girls.
It's a little scary.
Okay.
There you go.
Night Rain.
Yes.
Or Christina.
No, no, Night Rain, so that we plug.
So relationship status, longest relationship.
And are you on a dating app?
I'm a monogamous type of person.
So I've always been like a partnership type.
I think I did a little bit of dating, but I would say like close to eight years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Were you married?
It felt like it because I lived with a person.
Yeah.
Okay.
So it was, it was a long time and it was horrible.
So I'm taking my time now.
It's been like a year and like four months.
And yeah, I'm being very, very, as you would say, caltuloso in Spanish.
Just like careful.
You know?
Does anyone here speak Spanish?
I understand.
You understand?
You speak Portuguese.
Yeah.
Is it?
It's not the same thing.
It's not.
Similar.
No, but you said you understand.
So do you speak some Spanish too?
No, I understand, but like it's hard when I need to talk.
But it's like so similar.
Oh, they're similar.
Yeah, really, really similar.
Like, I understand everything they're saying.
I'm just like, don't know how to answer.
They don't know that I ain't understanding, but I am.
Yeah.
Have you ever been on seeking arrangements?
Me?
This is the first time I've ever heard of it.
I am like, I'm just like, the hustle is real.
This is exciting.
Wow.
Power to you.
I just like, whatever people are comfortable with, I am a scaredy cat.
So, you know, the older you get, sometimes you get a little more scared of things.
So I don't know if I'd be able to do it.
But if I could, though, and everything was safe, I just had a combo and just some coffee and I got paid like a G for it.
Into the microphone.
I would love that.
You know, I would absolutely love that.
Scoot the microphone just a bit that way to your, yeah.
Josh.
Relationship status, longest relationship.
Are you on a dating app?
Relationship status, I guess, complicated.
Does that count?
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, let's just say complicated.
Dating app, not on one currently, but I have been.
Okay.
Seeking arrangements, have you been?
No, I was not on the other side of that.
Or, I mean, maybe you were looking for a sugar mama.
They're on that.
Oh, I didn't know they had that option.
I mean, there's been on it.
But I mean, women really ain't long to be sugar mamas.
Probably like.
I've had two longest, and they're the same year.
So four years.
But two.
Yeah.
Okay.
Nice.
Nice.
So a few of you are on seeking arrangements, so I have to ask this question.
Have you ever had a sugar daddy?
Like, multiple occurrences?
No.
Okay.
No, I have not.
But this guy from Seeking Arrangements, he would have been.
He would have been if he would have wanted to continue it.
But I just never heard back from him.
I don't know if he like.
Did you disappoint him?
I don't think so.
Like he was like, I'll see you again.
I just didn't like talk to him for a really long time after.
And then I was like, yo, I kind of want some money now.
So I'm going to hit him off.
So I don't think he took that too well, maybe.
Or he just never got my text, you know, so many possibilities.
Okay.
And you were on seeking arrangements.
Have you ever had a sugar daddy?
No, I was always too scared to actually meet up with them or do anything.
So I didn't make it past that threshold.
Even like a sugar daddy that hit you up some other means, some other way?
I wish.
Okay.
Okay.
Her DMs are open, gentlemen.
Night Rain, ever had a sugar daddy?
No, I get really frustrated at that situation only because I've always been told, why don't you just get a rich boyfriend?
And I feel like the feminist in me is like, are you telling me I'm inadequate?
And I, you know.
So it does frustrate me.
And yes, I've had rich boyfriends before, but it's never been a situation where I was seeking it.
Do I have a problem with it?
Absolutely not.
I was basically a sugar mama, the past eight years being broke as.
So yeah, I wouldn't mind going back to like someone that would like to take care of me, Although I would not allow them to control me.
So it's, it's very it's, it's.
You know it's a dance.
You gotta be okay with certain things.
It's a compromise.
All relationships are compromises.
So yeah okay yeah, there you go.
So I want to go around the panel once more on this and I feel like this whole feel like I shouldn't say that so really quick, because I think that your answer to these two questions can kind of paint a little bit of how you approach dating and relationships.
So one, just your political orientation and, by the way, if any of you aren't comfortable sharing this, that's fine political orientation.
And do you identify as a feminist?
Okay, some big questions here.
I mean this, if you were to ask me this like a month ago or like six months ago, I would have a different answer.
But I've had like a lot of perspective shifts and right now I personally don't have a political point of view, because I personally don't believe that I should stand with one side or another, because I stand with everyone, because I want them to all be together and not to be separate from each other.
So I don't pick one side.
I can have certain perspectives on one side or another, but it doesn't mean I'm completely disregarding the person who thinks opposite of me.
And am I a feminist?
I believe that men and equal men and women should be treated equal, and if that's the definition, then I'm a feminist.
Okay nice, fair enough.
I like that answer.
I definitely lean toward the more liberal side.
For sure, I grew up in a very Republican area.
I'm from Minnesota and it was very like strictly Republican.
So breaking, like.
I've never identified with that, but my whole family does.
So I was always around people who align more with Republican ideals.
And I do identify as a feminist wait, so Republican I'm no oh Democrat okay, got it yeah.
Yeah, I'm more like liberal.
Yeah, but it's different here in Brazil.
So yeah, like I don't know if anyone knows, like who's the president right now and stuff like that yeah, I'm like I don't like him, but like I, I am okay if you do like it's just not what I feel right now.
And like you know, like soon there's gonna be elections, so please vote.
And like take a good vote, like think about voting.
Please please yeah, and yeah, I think I'm feminist.
Yeah Yeah, I would say that I also lean towards the liberal side, for sure.
And similar to Nat, I grew up in a very Republican town.
And so I feel like I definitely have seen both sides, but I would identify as liberal.
And I would say I'm a feminist as well, yes.
So I use the term feminist.
However, I'm kind of like you said yourself.
I just believe in equality.
I think that anyone can do anything that they want and be who they want to be.
It doesn't matter.
It's like the whole yin and yin thing.
I have a little bit of feminine, a little masculine in me, whatever.
I don't really look at the whole gender thing.
I don't.
I really don't.
But I am an independent.
I don't believe in Democrats.
I don't believe in Republicans.
I just believe in justice.
Boom.
Lovely.
Josh?
So I'm kind of with what Eliza said.
Like, I don't really, I don't really, like, have, I'm not a Republican nor I'm a Democrat.
I'm just kind of like in the middle on like, it's like kind of black and white for me.
Yeah.
Rock and roll.
Okay, I want to ask this question.
What do you think of men?
That's pretty broad.
I mean, there's some that for the men that I've met, in my experience, men.
This is a very difficult question.
I feel like everyone has something to learn, you know?
And I feel like society, I feel like men are made.
I feel like men nowadays don't hold themselves to the potential that they could be.
Because I feel like men have a role in this world, and I feel like society is trying to crush that role and try to make them feel weak when really, there we go, ding, ding, ding.
Based.
Based.
Go ahead.
When really men are the ones, we're taught to think that they're the ones in power and they do have a lot of power when really, I know it sounds wrong, but they should have more a sense of different authority in helping the world rather than crushing it down.
And they should be nurturing and uplifting everyone instead of seeing themselves as maybe, you know, the top of the pyramid.
I agree with what she said.
I feel like men have always been seen as like they're at the top of the pyramid, basically.
And I feel, it might be an unpopular opinion.
I don't know.
I feel like men have it a little too easy when it comes to relationships.
Bro, Eric, don't show that.
Come on, man.
What?
Come on.
Come on, bro.
Go ahead.
I feel like they have it a little too easy when it comes to relationships in general.
And I think that they're not expected of much in this day and age.
But we are expected to respect them like they did back in the 60s and the 40s and all that stuff.
they're not paying my rent they're not taking if if they want me to be a housewife like they used to be then you better pay my rent take care of me do everything for me So I think that it's just very cool.
So your current Ting that you have, does he expect you to fulfill that?
Oh my gosh.
In some ways, yeah.
He definitely respects me.
And there's been a lot of growth throughout our relationship.
But at the same time, I'm somebody that takes care of people.
So I automatically kind of put myself in that position just out of my nurturing tendencies, basically.
I had a lot of younger siblings that I took care of.
So I kind of take on, weirdly enough, a mothering role, which could be kind of a red flag.
But I'm learning to not be that way.
And throughout me treating him like that throughout our relationship, it's taught him to treat me like I should be expected of those things.
Does that make sense?
Let me ask.
So are you saying that he sorry, I'm just reading Mike Davis's super chat here.
Are you saying that he expects you to be a traditional woman, but he's not a traditional man?
I think not him in general, but men in general expect that.
So it's just society.
So I actually think it's the reverse.
Do you?
I think it's the reverse.
It's women are modern women, but they want men to conform to their traditional gender roles.
In what ways?
Protect, provide, buy me a drink, initiate romantically.
And when I say initiate romantically, I mean it's most men's experience that when it comes to the dating marketplace, they have to adhere to their traditional role in terms of setting up the date, planning the date, asking the girl out, carrying the conversation, initiating the conversation, approaching, paying for the date, moving things forward sexually.
Well, before even that, escalating physically, going for the kiss.
All that stuff still falls on men, generally speaking.
I think it's come a long way.
I do.
I don't agree.
Yeah, I disagree.
I do.
Because my relationship, we've split everything 50-50 since we've been together, and a lot of my friends have also done the same thing in their relationships.
Like, rent, I pay for my own things.
We do stuff for each other.
It's 50-50, 100%.
There's a lot of people that do 50-50.
Yeah, and I think USA people.
This is not South America or like any other context.
Let's not talk shit on South America.
I'm just saying, culturally, people pay like your way.
It's very individualistic.
Oh, pay your way?
I mean, like.
Like, you pay for your stuff.
I.
I pay for mine.
That's on the first date?
Yeah, absolutely.
Nah, I mean, nah.
Like, girls still be expecting the guy to pay.
Not all women.
Not all women for sure.
But a lot of women are going to feel a certain type of way if you do not pay.
Well, if you're not giving up the poon, you definitely don't want to do that because there's an expectation for that.
So imagine being on the female side of that, where you're like, oh man, I better not let him buy me dinner because God forbid he buys me dinner.
He's going to want some poon later.
That's true.
That's true.
We're just being real here.
It's a talk show.
Well, we'll go around the table really quick.
Who should pay on the first date?
The person who asked.
Sorry.
Yeah, no, I agree.
That's a good response.
I'm not deleting that.
Who should pay on the first date?
I feel like.
Okay, so I agree with her, but the thing is, I'm not going to ask you on a date.
So, you know?
So that's like what's happening.
But after the first date, I feel like, I don't know, like at my age, everyone is going to college.
We all know the situation.
We're all going to be like, I understand you.
Like, let's just half and half.
Like, I pay mine, you pay yours.
We have each other's company.
That's all that matters.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, not gonna lie, I feel like there is kind of an expectation that guys will pay on the first date.
And like, if a guy offers, I'm not gonna argue with that.
I'll go with it because I feel like it's respectful.
Like, on the first date, it's kind of like his way of showing, like, I want you and like, I want to impress you.
But I feel like it also depends on the date.
And like if he were to pay on the first date, I would want to pay on the next date and like make sure that it evens out.
But like I wouldn't be mad if he offered to pay on the first date.
Okay.
Thoughts?
So, Josh, you were shaking your head.
Month you come in really quick before I give my take.
So I didn't think about that, about the like who whoever asked.
No one's ever asked me, but like I'm just saying, like just every time I've been on a date, I've always paid because it's weird.
I don't want to be like expecting like a girl to just like pay for my stuff.
I feel like it's what society has put on.
Yeah, so just I think it's just weird.
Like I couldn't like, I would just feel weird if like a girl paid for my stuff and like or our stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I mean the whole who said whoever asks was it you kind of a few of you I mean so the whole whoever asks thing ignores the fact that in 99% of instances, maybe maybe it's a bit lower.
Let's say 95% of instances men ask.
So your answer to that question may as well be men should pay.
If your answer is whoever asks, you might as well just say men because men are overwhelmingly the ones that are going to initiate.
I think it also depends on the culture and where you are because girls here are bold.
They will walk right up to your man in front of agreed on your man on a date.
Like people here are kind of crazy.
And it's totally environmental and age.
It's also age.
Like if you're an adult and you meet somebody at work or something, it's probably could be the man that I don't know.
I don't know.
It depends on where you are and what the situation is.
And like here, I would say girls ask guys out a lot.
Absolutely.
I don't know if you see it.
Girls really aren't asking guys out like that.
I've seen it with their eyes.
You've seen it.
You've seen it once.
I feel like it really is.
I've seen it once.
Yeah, it's not always, always, but I see it often.
More often than you probably think is what I mean.
It's like, it's happening.
Oh, I'm sure it happens, but it's so exceedingly rare that it's in terms of whoever asks, she doesn't agree, but whoever.
it's a it's self it's so evident that men are overwhelmingly the initiators In what century, my dear?
In 2022.
Are you sure?
Men are overwhelmingly initiators.
I am super sure.
Where is this happening for you?
You're exploring.
All across the United States, even in a super liberal place like Santa Barbara.
Really?
Because, of course.
You think because we're super liberal now that women are all of a sudden going to initiate?
Women don't have to initiate.
Women do.
But they don't have to is the thing.
As a woman, men will come to you, be it on dating apps, be it at a bar, be it at a club, be it in person.
Men will approach you.
Men will initiate.
If you want to initiate, you can.
But as a man, if you want to get a girl, you have to initiate.
That's the difference.
If most men didn't put in the effort and didn't initiate, that's the end of their bloodline.
They're done.
Maybe you guys are thinking about the top 10 or 20% of men that you guys are going after and you might consider initiating upon.
But for the average man, no girls are hitting him up.
An average guy goes to a bar, club, or party.
He stands there.
Nobody's coming to talk to him.
He's going to stand there the entire night totally alone.
As a girl, even if you're an average girl, you go out to a bar club or party.
Somebody, a guy's going to come and hit on you.
He might not be the guy you want, but you're going to get some attention.
And you might get a lot of attention, actually.
So go ahead.
Go ahead, who?
Oh, you.
Oh, okay.
I have some.
It looks like you have to.
No, I'm listening to you, though.
I'm listening.
I find it fascinating that you have your perspective because I believe that you're probably right in your own respect, in your own experience.
But from my experience, that's not the case at all.
I feel like women have so much pressure to objectify themselves, to build them up for men.
And men, you don't have to try.
What do you do?
You put on a shirt, you put on some pants, and you have to have some confidence and go walk up to a girl.
Do you know what a girl has to do?
A girl has to get ready.
She has to put uncomfortable heels that were designed by men, by the way, so that they don't run away fast and they're really uncomfortable.
Get their hair done, their makeup, you know, try to look a certain way because God knows if they don't look a certain way, they might not be attractive.
And then you have these men whining, whining, because they actually have to say hello first.
God forbid that.
Wow.
Okay, so you know what I mean?
Like, do you have, go wear some heels for a whole night.
Nothing, nothing.
And wear a tight little outfit and like make sure you look good and put some makeup on your face and take two hours for your hair.
People put eyelashes, all kinds of.
I don't do those things because I don't have the bandwidth.
But, you know.
Nothing obligates you to do all that stuff.
In fact, social conditionment does.
And in fact, men don't expire.
Women do.
As we get older, we are apparently not attractive anymore.
Can I add something?
How old are you, by the way?
37.
Okay, got it.
So that is a good point.
I think men do have, in terms of finding a partner.
Actually, you know what?
It does depend.
I think honestly, women, even if they're older, they can still honestly run around most guys, run circles around most guys.
Now, the problem that women run into is that if you want to have children, there is an expiration date, so to speak.
Because past 35, then you're getting into a higher chance of miscarriage, much more difficult to conceive, higher risk of birth defects.
So that's agreed to agree.
A 40-year-old man who wants to have kids, he's probably going to be looking at someone who's, say, like late 20s, 30s versus someone who's his age, who's 40.
But you can freeze your eggs.
I guess.
I mean, but that's very expensive.
Yeah, that's true.
That's a good question.
That's kind of like a class.
I mean, that's a class thing.
So like some people can't afford that.
So what about the 40-year-old woman who's destitute or just sad because she can't have, yeah, it's tough for women.
It is very tough biologically for women.
I personally don't want to have kids like ever.
I love children, but not my thing, never was.
So I don't have that stress.
But I know plenty of women around my age that are just really, really sad because they want to have babies.
And that's a big deal.
So you have to think about all the other things that women have to deal with that men don't have to deal with.
And this kind of evens out the playing field.
Like if your perspective is that men have to do all this protecting and like outgoingness and all, which I don't see in my world, that didn't happen at all.
But I can see how that is the experience for a lot of people.
You have to also think about all the other things that women deal with that men don't deal with biologically that are really scary.
You know?
This person might be a psycho killer and might like send me to sex trafficking school, you know?
Like, that's why that's why women do not initiate a lot because they're afraid of getting attacked because men physically are stronger.
I don't care what you say, unless you have some MMA or whatever the hell background.
It's a scary thing.
Okay, but that's such an outlier scenario where a woman would be assaulted on a date.
Dude, every woman will think of it.
Hey, everyone goes to the bottom.
No, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's like in normal dating scenarios, I mean, that is not like we can talk about outlier situations.
There's a chance I meet a psycho stalker chick and she slashes my tires.
Did that happen, by the way?
No.
Yeah, no, I've not had my tires slashed, but I've definitely encountered some pretty fucking crazy chicks.
Okay, so.
Is that why you started the show?
Therapy sessions.
To invite some of them on.
Maybe there's a few at this table.
There might be a few at the table.
If you speak your mind, you are crazy as a female.
So, I mean, just to address your whole thing with like women have to get ready and stuff, I mean, men also have a lot of things that they do before a date.
Shaving, hair.
There's a lot of other things.
What else?
Please, dude, there's a lot of other things.
Shaving hair.
What else?
I mean, you mentioned protection, but that's a real one.
That's a real one.
Okay.
An expectation a lot of women have would be for their partner to protect them in the event of some sort of altercation, right?
So, okay.
Like, if you want to get into this debate of, like, oh, women spend all this money before a date.
First off, I don't even want a chick to wear makeup if I'm on a date with her.
I'll tell a girl, hey, don't wear makeup.
I don't care about that shit.
Don't wear makeup, just wear some fucking sweatpants.
I don't care.
But that's me.
I think actually, if you ask most guys, like, anything more than a bit of mascara eyeliner, that's a letdown, to be honest.
We don't want a full face of makeup.
So protection-wise, you know, maybe, I mean, we can go back and forth on like what men and women have to do, but there's an expectation that in a relationship, men protect.
So, okay, what does that entail?
Does that entail, does he have a firearm?
Is he trained?
Maybe he's just making himself physically larger by going to the gym.
So all these things play into it, too.
Girls.
So, and then more on top of that.
Yeah, I think that's the thing: is like, yes, we girls do do those things, but one thing I do have to add, and like this might be an unpopular opinion, is that like we do, in a way, subject ourselves to that because we want to find a mate that we find suitable.
We want them to find us suitable.
And I know that I have standards for sure.
And if there's a guy who's not as tall as I want or not as muscular as I want, I can be picky.
And so, yes, I do get what you're saying there.
Like, we do have all those things, but we don't have to do that.
Like, I'm sure that there is a lot of guys that want, like, a natural girl and stuff.
But we do that because we want to feel like we're the top 10%, not just the 90% that most guys will choose from.
And I think that's the thing is, like— Wait, the 90% that men choose from?
Yeah.
So you think men are going after the 90% of women?
Yeah, I've actually had a guy tell me that before, that that was his theory.
And maybe it's not every guy, but he said that like when it's actually the reverse.
You think so?
It's 80% of women that are going after the top 20% of men.
Can you explain that?
Yeah.
I think that's what I was meaning to say.
But then men will go for the press.
That's what I was trying to say.
Women date a crossing up.
A crossing up.
Women date a crossing up either socioeconomically or just looks-wise.
Yes, and I agree.
And so that's what I'm saying: is like we want to feel like we are higher, even though guys will go for the 80% or whatever it is, the majority, we want to feel like we are at that top of that majority regardless of if their standards are low.
And so we do want to feel like that, but we are kind of subjecting ourselves to it in a way.
So I think, yeah, we can argue about like, oh, girls have to get so much more ready, but it's because we want to.
We want to be held to a higher standard sometimes, you know?
And I feel like society plays a role in that too, because I feel like women wouldn't have all these standards on them if we weren't, if that wasn't put on to us since the day we were born.
That like you aren't pretty because you don't look like this.
Like beauty standards aren't a real thing if you don't believe it.
If you look at people and you think an eye is this color and it's this shape and it's beautiful and the skin is this color and it's beautiful and you don't put it into all these categories that are rated, everyone's beautiful then.
And you don't have to make yourself top 10% or anything.
You can just be out there and meet the people that you're meant to meet from the heart.
Absolutely.
That's awesome.
That's what I believe.
Yeah.
And that's why they say beauty's in the eye of the beholder because there's literally like somebody could think I'm the least attractive person in the world, but then someone else can think I'm the most attractive person in the world.
Exactly.
And it's like everybody has their someone.
Totally agree with that.
Once you realize that, none of those standards matter to you anymore.
You don't give them power.
Yeah.
Do you think that there's beauty standards for men?
Yes.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Just as there are for women, yes.
And like maybe even worse for you guys, because I know that girls can do a lot.
Girls can do a lot to change their appearance.
And we can do things to make ourselves a lot more attractive, but you guys, you're a little stuck with what you got sometimes.
Guys can wear makeup, but then they'll be judged, some of them, you know?
And there's only so much, like, if you get Botox or whatever.
Guys can be, well, would you date a guy who wore makeup?
I personally, I don't care about what they look like.
You don't care about how a guy looks?
I mean, I have some degree of caring because I met this guy today on the bus who smelled like cigarettes and he was trying to fuck me.
I'm not trying to be with someone who's completely out of my standards because my standards are more in the heart and head than in your outer.
Okay.
Yeah.
How tall are you?
I'm five, almost five's six.
Will you date a guy who's shorter than you?
No.
Yeah.
I just don't want to lean down and be like, hey, buddy.
You don't want to pick him up and kiss him?
I want him to pick me up.
That'd be romantic.
I mean, it would be if I wanted to be like, feel macho.
Okay.
But I thought you just said that.
What?
It's about what's in the head and the heart.
I know it is what's in the head and the heart, but to some degree, I would like, at least this is probably what society has taught me.
So you want a guy who's taller than you?
Yeah.
Can he be overweight?
Yeah, I don't care about that.
Like obese?
No, that's like I want someone who's healthy.
I really care about health.
Okay.
So you have to be in my morals too, you know?
Okay.
Absolutely.
Got it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that was actually a very good point that you made that in some ways men have it more difficult when it comes to our appearances.
So I'm gonna, this might be a hot take, but I actually think that it's more difficult as a man to be physically attractive than it is for women.
Yeah.
And men have actually more difficult beauty standards than do women.
I'm curious, what are the male beauty standards?
And maybe we shouldn't, we don't have to call it beauty, maybe we could call it handsome or something.
Well, okay, for example, if you look at the idealized male body, that first off, that's only attainable through training.
Yeah.
So weightlifting or sporting.
The ideal male body.
If you look at like superheroes, for example, in films.
But a woman superhero, for example, who's the one that plays Wonder Woman?
What's her name?
Nevis.
her name nobody knows the woman who i forget her name right now A woman can have an ideal female body at 18.
Most men, it'll take years for them to have the ideal male body.
Years of training in the gym.
Is this ideal body even what people want, though?
Yeah.
I don't.
It's totally genetic.
That has nothing to do with.
It's your genetics.
It's your physicality.
The way that you develop it.
It has to do with your genetics.
It's not gender.
It really isn't.
I think we're playing too much on male and female on that one.
And also, did you start training when you were younger?
Because your muscles, you start to get muscle memory.
I'm a yoga teacher, by the way, and I've been in fitness my whole life.
And I just, I feel like people need to just accept their bodies the way that they are.
But yes, the more you do something, the better you do get at it.
And there is genetics.
Like, some people will never have a V shape.
I know some men like the whole V shape thing.
You know, some people will never have the flexibility that somebody else may have just because their hips are shaped differently.
This is just like body composition, partly to do with genetics and also your lifestyle.
Have you been doing this and shaping your body to get used to strenuous movement from a young age?
Have you strengthened your bones?
Have you aligned them properly, your muscles, etc.?
Really?
Anyway, sorry to go off.
Sorry.
I was also going to say, like, I personally, my body is not meant to be the female beauty standard, and it's never been.
I've never been shaped like a superhero.
I was an athlete all throughout high school.
I worked out every single day.
I ate well.
I'm meant to be shaped the way that I am.
And I'm like, I'm okay with that now at my age.
But when I was younger, I fought with it since I was probably like when was like princess movies.
When you're a kid, when you're a little kid, I idolize these princesses so much, and their waist is this little, their hips are this big.
Like, that's, I wanted to be them.
I would wear their, I would wear dresses to try to look like them.
And I would ask myself, why don't I look like these cartoons?
Which is like ridiculous that we have to think about that at that young age.
Absolutely.
And have you seen like the films, the superhero films, Thor?
Do you think that his physicality Physicality is achievable for most men.
Most women aren't wanting Thor.
I do.
I don't.
But I mean, even so, it's kind of like we're saying, like, it goes both ways.
Like, boys and girls are taught from a young age, you need to look like this.
Yeah, both men and women certainly have, they're trying to reach a sort of beauty ideal.
An unrealistic one at that, yeah.
And like, I will say, like, I think the whole point of this or where we're getting to is like women, like what you were saying earlier, women can attain that or like the idealistic one a little bit easier, but not to say that it's like easy for us still because, like, even so, like, you have a bunch of beautiful girls here, and like, I'm sure that we've all struggled with not feeling like we're enough just because we're like not the idea of what a man wants us to look like.
And it probably goes the same for men, like, and it definitely does, and it is probably a little worse because you guys can't control things like height, but it's the same way that women can't control things like our weight or our features.
Well, women can control their weight.
You can control your weight.
Absolutely.
Height, that's, you can't do anything about your height.
You can't control your weight.
Is that it?
There are people that have seriously hormonal issues, and it doesn't matter what they do.
I mean, that's such a, of the people that are overweight and obese in this country, those that have hormonal issues is such a small minority.
There's so many people, and you have to understand there's different body types.
And if you have certain fat in certain areas and you're shaped a certain way, you can definitely get fitter if you work out and you put the effort in, but you're not going to change.
You're not going to look like the sample size model ever.
Never, never.
No matter what you eat, it's not happening.
Well, your bone density and your proportions, certain things like that, you can't change.
But in terms of your weight, that's just calories in, calories out.
You're just not eating properly.
And by the way, so I've never mentioned this on the stream.
I actually have hypothyroidism.
Oh, you do?
I have hypothyroidism.
So I've had periods where I've gained some weight, I've lost some weight.
My experience has been, like, and I take medication for it.
To me, if I really tune into my diet, I can lose weight.
Interesting.
So as someone who has one of these hormonal things, I can tell you, it's calories in, calories out.
Fair enough for you, but not everyone.
It's a bit harder.
It's a bit harder for me.
But it just comes down to discipline.
This is true.
Discipline does help.
But I mean, you're not going to get at your target weight if it's going to be a specific height and a specific weight.
Not everyone can reach it.
And you have to accept that.
It's what it is.
Of course, a woman who's 6'4 is going to weigh more than a woman who is five feet, even if they're the same body fat percentage.
But if your body fat percentage is in an unhealthy range, there's nothing you can control that.
There's nothing stopping you from.
I mean, you're a trainer, right?
You said you're a trainer.
But I let people know it's more so about motivating a different part of your system.
So it's more a mental game than anything else.
You start thinking too much about weight, about your body shape, you're not getting the real benefits, which is circulation and detoxing from bad energy.
Once that happens, once that happens.
Wait, what's bad energy?
Bad energy is frustration.
It's anxiety.
It's regrets.
It's bitterness.
It's stress.
It's all those things that you want to burn off.
I mean, circulation is everything.
So once you start thinking about the things that really matter, which is feeling better versus the way you look, it all tends to start to shape beautifully because when you're happy, there's a certain eminence.
There's a certain vibration that happens where you start to look good because you feel good and you're confident.
When you don't feel good, and if you're staring at things that you can't change, you come as a vehicle.
Your body is a vehicle here.
You come as you come and you accept what you are.
And if you don't, then it's very stressful.
And that's why people binge eat.
That's why people do lots of drugs.
That's why they drink.
That's why they do all kinds of vices, you know?
Yeah, we got to move on from this.
I got to get to super chats.
Mike Davis with the $10 Sup Chat.
Yo, how you booking Kim Jong-un?
What's up with the all-black?
That's something Chase should wear.
Do you want to fire back at Mr. Mike Davis here?
I've actually gotten that one before.
Kim Jong-un.
I've gotten Chris Jenner.
What the fuck?
I've got in a bunch of random ones, so I understand it.
Aren't you like Latino?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Hey, Mike Davis, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
Sorry we missed you last week, but glad to see you back in the chat.
Oh, let's see.
Mike Davis, the $10 Sup Chat.
That message got Brian's heart to 200 plus BPM.
He about to put on a cap.
Yeah, I think that was the fun.
But Eric, do you know what a national, do you know what that is?
Yes, I know what that is.
Oh, my God, dude.
Ah, great.
Okay.
Mike Davis, though, thank you for the $10 Super Chat, man.
Much appreciated.
Glebis L.A., what's up, man?
Good to see you again.
Ladies, remember, it's never $1,000 for just hangout.
If you want to get paid high for your time, learn a skill or get a degree, become valuable, or ease your way, sell your body directly or indirectly.
Okay.
Wow.
I'm happy with the 1K, but then that blows my mind.
And by the way, you are, how old are you again?
I'm 19.
You're 19.
There's no 19-year-old dudes that are getting paid $1,000 for Starbucks digital.
You're smart.
I can tell.
Thank you.
You don't need a degree to be intelligent from getting my degree.
Thank you.
We have one for you, but I'm saying a degree does not measure your intelligence for surely.
Adolph Miaoler.
I have one.
It doesn't.
I don't know if I should be allowed.
Adolph Mialer.
Miawler.
I mean, Adolph, I guess, is a first name.
It's come out of favor for obvious reasons, but I'm more open-minded than back in the day.
I'd love to bring Cheyenne.
Fuck, I can't.
Why can't I pronounce this?
You had it right that Cheyenne.
Cheyenne.
Ah, geez.
Okay.
That's not the capital of my town.
Wyoming.
I'd love to bring Cheyenne back to the Fuhrer bunker.
Actually, you know what?
Hey, Josh, could you grab that?
You see that up top right there?
The helmet?
Could you grab that for me?
Thanks, Josh.
So, Cheyenne, do you want to respond to here?
I'll take that.
The what bunker?
The Führer bunker.
I don't think I know what that is.
The Fuhrer bunker?
Oh, God.
I don't either.
Führer?
Führer?
Fuhrer?
Okay, 1939 to 1945.
What happened then?
War?
We have to do this on a podcast.
Yeah, we got to do it.
I don't know.
Why does he want to bring her there?
Yeah.
Really quick, really quick around the table.
I want, this is just a fun one.
Name one plane from World War II.
A plane?
One of the planes.
Go.
I don't need to even answer that.
A plane.
One of the planes.
I didn't know.
There were many names.
There were names.
Next.
Natasha.
Okay.
I don't know, man.
I'm sorry.
There's a common known fact.
Come on, though.
Josh, I know a lot about World War II.
I don't own any planets.
Oh, my God.
You're killing me here.
You're killing me.
Okay, Spitfire.
Hello.
Okay.
So, okay.
Her DMs are open, I guess.
Like, are you down to go to the Fuhrer bunker?
Probably not.
What is that?
Say something walking around.
By the way, this is just to clarify: this is a World War I helmet.
Put it on her.
Does this have any like racist undertone?
No.
That's what I thought.
That was my first thought.
No, it feels like it.
No, it's actually kind of cool.
It's a World War I helmet, and that was before the Nazis.
So for World War I, who was the bad guy is a bit more ambiguous.
Put it back on her.
Looks good.
She looks like a babe.
Not gonna lie.
Major babe status with the it's called a pickle hubba.
The hat is picklehabba.
Pickle hubba.
Pickle hubba.
Okay.
Okay.
If you want, leave it on for the rest of the show.
But yeah, Adolph Malior.
Wait, I don't actually Hitler talk.
Well, it's it.
Yeah, okay.
I'm gonna get fucking canceled, guys.
I'm canceled.
Okay.
Wait, actually, here, I'll take it back.
She was so happy with it.
She looked better.
Okay.
Yo, Glebis, LA, thank you for the $10 Super Chat, man.
Idea for next shows.
Print guests' names and place in front of them.
Make all super chats over $15 to auto-announce and response to them right away instead of 15 minutes later when it's irrelevant.
Oh, that's a good idea.
You know what, Glebis?
We tried that.
We had a text-to-speech overlay, but it kind of like distracted a bit from the show.
I think it's much better to do these instead of doing it piecemeal, doing it just in batches.
I will try to get to super chats more regularly, but we had a good little conversation there going.
But I might bring back the other way to do it with the overlay.
So we'll see.
Yo, Mike Davis, thank you for the $10 super chat.
90% of women are asking 10% of the men out.
Females do ask men out, just 90% would never know.
I can't do math, but those numbers don't add up.
By the way, 37-year-old taking true to form.
Okay, 30.
Christina, do you want to respond to Mr. Mike Davis?
Wait, okay, so 90% of the women are asking 10% of the men out.
Females do ask men out.
90% would never know.
I can't do math, but those numbers don't add up.
By the way, 36-year-old talking true to form.
I'm not sure how you want me to respond to that.
Okay, don't worry about it.
Never mind.
All right, guys.
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Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Also, last thing.
No, we're good.
We're good on Super Chats.
Okay, so moving on.
Where were we?
I don't really want to go back to the body discussion.
Okay, so next question.
It's kind of related to body stuff.
Sort of.
Goria won't speak.
Okay.
Wait.
You know what?
Hold on.
No.
I'm going to talk about this.
So y'all said that women like initiate, right?
Women be out here initiating.
Here.
Sometimes.
So you've initiated with a guy.
We'll go around the table on this.
Like, you've initiated, you've gone up to a guy.
What did you do?
I mean, I feel like one of the times I have gone up to a guy, I just like, we're at like a party or something, and I just walk up to him and we just start talking.
You just start talking.
Yeah, you know, I'm just like, present myself.
So you're he comes up to you or you go up to him?
I mean I've had guys come up to me, but I feel like I've also definitely gone up to guys and just started talking to them.
Like maybe nothing serious happened, but it's me initiating some sort of conversation that could lead to something else.
Okay.
Yeah.
So how would you go up to a guy?
I mean, honestly, it's different every time.
It's honestly whatever comes to my mind and like the setting and the situation and who it is.
I normally just walk up and I just like say some random thing and we just have some sort of conversation.
Okay.
And if I feel it, I stay.
I don't move on.
You know what?
Let's roleplay this.
I'm the chick.
I'm Brianna.
And your name is Eliza.
Oh, Eliza Orr.
Eliza Orr.
I'm Brianna.
Okay.
Wait, so I'm a guy?
Yeah, you're the guy.
Okay.
I'm the chick.
Okay.
Go.
Wait, so I approach you?
Paint.
Paint persuasion movie.
Paint the scene.
Are we at the Trader Joe's?
Are we at a party?
Or we're at some party on DP or something, you know.
Okay.
I like that.
I like that though.
Okay.
Wait, why am I the guy?
I'm so confused.
Wait.
Oh.
You're right.
Okay.
That's something else.
Go ahead.
I'll be Brian.
You're Eliza.
Okay.
I was like, hey, what's up?
How are you doing?
I don't know how to do this, bro.
Oh, see, little skin.
No, it's because, like.
Okay, I'll play along.
Hey, what's up?
I'm Brian.
Yo, how are you doing?
Doing well.
How are you?
I'm great.
What brings you here?
To the party?
Yeah.
What brings me to the party?
You heard me?
To drink.
Hell yeah, that's why I'm here, too.
What do you like to drink?
Malibu.
Oh, really?
I drank that like so long ago.
I like Fireball.
Do you like Fireball?
It's okay.
Oh, it's my favorite.
Why don't you like it?
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
Well, you should try it sometime.
I could get it for you.
Okay, cool.
Okay, for sure.
Do you want to go hang out after something?
We could go to my place.
It's free.
I have my own room.
Bro, you'd say, would you actually say that?
Dude, yeah.
She's favoring me.
She's really good.
She's got game.
All right, she's got game.
There we go.
There we go.
Okay, so you're straight up.
You're just going to ask the guy the fuck up.
Wait, I'm blunt and honest.
I'm not trying.
I don't cut.
Pay respect.
I don't cut.
I can tell.
You got some game.
Okay.
All right.
We'll move on from that.
So you see?
I caught you off guard.
She caught me off guard.
She caught me off guard.
Well, this is how women are today.
All right.
She's an outlier, though.
No, no.
Nah, most chicks ain't whatever.
Nah, like, most chicks are not 30 seconds into the interaction saying, hey, wanna fuck.
They're not.
Yes, they are.
I've seen it a million times.
We have more time to talk on the way to my place.
Yeah.
Hold on.
I literally, there was a chick that took off her clothes and not, you would not say that.
Wait, what's your body count?
Five.
Your body count's five.
Yes.
I would take the whole lie detector too.
We'll go around the table on this.
Two.
Two.
Four.
Wait, what?
What are we asking?
I'm the highest.
I don't know.
I don't look at those things.
You don't look at those things?
No.
So, like, how many people you've slept with?
I don't remember.
Like, I have terrible memory.
I know that I've been monogamous for a really long time, but there was a few, like, there was a few of them flying around somewhere.
I can't count.
37 guy.
These guys are not my age.
Like, I don't remember.
But, like, okay, if you've only slept with five guys, you would remember that it's five.
So, is it more than 20?
Clearly, they weren't memorable enough.
Ouch.
So, was it more than 20?
I doubt that.
I doubt that.
Less than 20.
Most likely, yes.
Stop the count on all y'all.
Okay.
I don't care.
Like, I don't have the body count thing doesn't shame me at all.
I just, I know that I've been quite some of a prude, you know?
But that's because I've had terrible, like, people think, oh, yeah, hot sex, like, one night stand, and it's, like, terrible.
Dude doesn't know how to keep that up.
It's like, nah, dog.
Nah, dog.
Nah, dog.
So if he, that's, if he is having some difficulty in the erect.
That's a problem.
That's, you know what?
That's like if something's not wet and it's a problem and it's like, well, it's a problem if the dude can't keep his thing out.
Well, it's a lot easier for women to get wet and also there's lube.
Whereas for men, like aren't there like pills or something?
But okay.
7-Eleven.
Yeah, there's Viagra, but I mean, I tried that with an ex one time and we both got a huge headache.
He didn't need it.
He was great.
But like, you know.
Wait, you took the Viagra too.
Yeah, we both did.
We thought it would make us really horny and it didn't.
It was like, we were both like, oh, like, fuck this shit.
This sucks.
Yeah, it was bad.
We had to drink lots of water that night.
Oh.
Yeah, I think Viagra is for men mostly.
But yeah, it was for both.
There was a thing that was for both.
It was his friend that was selling it or something.
The fuck?
Well, as far as the body count of the table goes.
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
Okay.
You can think whatever you want to think.
I could be wrong.
I could be wrong.
But also, like, that's the thing.
Even if our body counts were 100, if a guy's body count is 100, that's so normal and okay for them.
Why do you just assume that all of us are lying?
Oh, why do I assume?
Yeah.
Wait, about what?
I'm sorry.
He said all of our body counts should be multiplied by three.
No, Stiffler.
The soundboard said that.
Didn't you press it?
I did press it.
Yeah, let's talk about that.
The thing is, is that, I mean.
Most people can't be most some men too, but a lot of women are not going to be honest.
A lot of women have other priorities than dick.
Thank you, man.
Thank you, Liza.
Thank you.
I don't give a shit.
Like, maybe myself.
Exactly.
No, but not everyone's like obsessed with men.
Yeah.
I didn't assert that.
Yes.
You kind of did when you're like, you don't know your body count.
How would you not know that?
Like, who can't do that?
I mean, that's kind of like a pretty intimate thing.
Most people would remember people they've had sex with, I would assume.
Unless if it's so astronomical where you're starting to forget people, then.
I don't know.
I'm more of a demisexual.
I learned the word.
So if it's not there mentally, you know, I don't remember them.
Okay.
Wait, so, okay, you were in an eight-year relationship, right?
Yeah.
And then you said you broke up like a year and a half ago?
Yes, I left.
Thank God.
I finally gave up.
Have you smashed?
No.
Since.
And it's so weird.
So you've been celibate for like two years.
A year and four months.
This is really private information.
Luckily, I'm the way I am.
But I actually, the funny thing about desire, and I'll tell people this, is that we think we want things and we need things until we realize that we don't.
There's just like, don't get me wrong, when I find the right person, it'll probably be a marathon.
But like, for now, I don't feel the urge.
There's so, that's funny.
There's so many things involved as a woman.
Like, there's, there's, like, infections and STDs out there, monkey pox.
Dude, I'm, I'm good by myself right now.
Like, unless someone is really going to bring it to the table, I actually have a checklist now.
What's your checklist?
My checklist?
At least have your car and your house and not be a bum couch surfer that I have to drag around and be your mommy for, like, forever.
And, like, at least have a good attitude, be healthy, not make me responsible for everything, including your life.
That's my that's my checklist now.
Like, and yeah, I don't put up with people that don't respect me anymore because I'm an empath and I tend to take in so much and I give people excuses.
I'm like, oh, but they're that way because they had a broken family.
Well, everybody's broken.
So wake up and try to be different.
You know?
Mike Davis.
Mike Davis.
Okay, wow.
I mean, that seems, a lot of that stuff seems pretty reasonable.
Yeah, no shit.
It's pretty basic.
I'm a pretty basic bitch, dude.
Like, you know, I'm quite simple.
It's just I've been with really high maintenance men.
So my take is complete opposite from yours.
You know?
You've been with high maintenance men.
Do you think you're high maintenance?
Me?
Hell no.
I'm like, not at all.
What I am is very, I'm very expressive.
So either you can handle the authenticity and the opinionated.
Like I'm very good at respecting people's differences, but not when mine isn't.
So like you can think the way you do and I still respect you, but if you don't respect me and allow my space as well, that's where I just walk away.
Word?
Word.
Okay, question for the panel.
You skipped him.
Oh, what?
What was the question?
Oh, body count.
Josh, okay, what's your body count?
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, Josh, body count, if you want.
Not gonna lie.
I don't know it.
Oh, shit.
Josh, are you a fucking legend?
Are you a fucking legend, Josh?
Wait, what did you say?
My body count.
I have it on good authority, Josh.
No, no, I don't know it.
So Josh is a legend.
I'm an overall liar.
Yeah.
Interesting misogyny right there.
How's that misogyny?
Because men are legends if they're fuck everything.
And what's that?
But women are nuts and dirty if they fuck a lot.
What's the definition of misogyny?
Misogyny?
What's the definition of it?
It's when you're negative towards the female gender and it's a double-edged sword.
That's what it is.
So you treat them unfairly because they're females.
You think that they have to act a specific way.
It's a hegemonic way of thinking and it's very masculine.
It's been conditioned for years and years so much that you don't even realize you're doing it when you're doing it.
I mean, are there differences between men and women?
Absolutely, there are differences between men and women.
But what makes it okay for you to smash like 10 women in a week and not okay for a woman to get it?
Because it's hard for men and it's very easy for women to get sex.
It's not hard for men to get sex.
It's very, very hard for men to get sex.
Dude.
Have you ever made a guy?
Have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
No.
I'm very direct.
If I want you, I want you.
If I don't, I'll never let you have it.
We'll ask the table.
Have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, there you go.
Well, I have.
Most men don't make women wait for sex.
It's the opposite.
See how different people's worlds can be, though?
That's why it's very dangerous to stereotype.
Okay, but see, you're an outlier.
The fact of the matter is, is that for men, it's very difficult for them to get laid.
For most men, it's very hard.
I don't know.
The men that I was with, not at all.
Well, congrats, you're dating the top 20%.
I don't know.
I wouldn't call it that.
Okay.
I was pretty, like, bad at judging, you know.
Yeah, so, I mean, any single girl at this table, if she was so inclined, right now it's 8.15 on a Tuesday.
You could get laid tonight.
So late.
Sorry, Thursday.
No.
You think a guy, an average guy?
It takes two, right?
Like, think about it.
No, you think an average guy can just go out and get laid.
Dude, there are so many horny women out there.
Like, you have no idea.
I know so many.
Like, so many that are like, I just want to fuck tonight, and I'm going to go fuck someone.
I'm like, okay, well, cool.
I'm not like that, but like, yeah, awesome.
Well, you're an outlier, but for most men.
Just because I'm scared of cats.
Into the microphone, please.
I said, I'm just scared of, like, I'm more of a hypochondriac.
I think people are gross sometimes and don't clean themselves properly.
Okay, most men cannot get laid.
Like, they have extreme difficulty getting laid.
It's hard.
They're getting curved by girls.
Most men, if they DM a chick, she's just going to leave him on red.
Won't even open it.
But if a girl DMs a guy, she's probably going to more likely than not, she'll get a response.
That is so nice.
Same with dating apps.
How's it?
I think that's a good idea.
I really want to pull up my video.
Eric, can you Eric, can you pull up on the other tab?
Go to my YouTube channel, pull up my social experiment video that I did on the other tab.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, you'll have to do it on the other one.
I'll control this while we do that.
So just pull up my YouTube channel.
What's that?
Which one?
So let me know when you're there.
Yeah, I'm on.
So you're going to actually, let me pull up window here if we can see it.
Okay, so go to home or go F11.
Yeah.
Go home.
Okay.
Go scroll down, scroll down.
Scroll down.
Okay.
Scroll down, Okay.
Keep going, keep going.
Most of you, there we go.
Okay, first one.
Asking guys for sex.
Play that one.
I've seen this.
I've seen these on your IG.
Go full screen.
You have megally hot chicks.
Go on there.
Don't even, don't even.
Find a regular looking chick.
I did it with a regular looking chick.
Really?
Really?
Because I didn't see any on your IG.
No, we didn't do it with.
That girl is very pretty.
She's very attractive, yes.
So what's your point?
Most women don't look like that.
Let's be real.
It doesn't matter.
It does matter.
It matters though.
Keep on.
Don't be so careful.
Yo, an average.
Probably not an average chick.
Look at your expectations.
Do you think that's average?
To me, that looks like a fucking Barbie.
But I'm trying to illustrate a point here.
An average chick.
Oh, it's not loading.
Guys have a lot lower standards than girls.
Guys standard.
Wait, you got a pause.
She's going to be megali good looking.
She definitely is.
No, she for sure is.
But even an average-looking girl probably has a lot better odds than the average-looking guy because our standards are higher than men's naturally.
Most men, most men.
Yes, we can talk about a male model doing it.
We can talk about her doing it.
I had another girl do it too.
Fact of the matter is, most women, if they are direct with guys, if they were so inclined, either in person or on a dating app at a bar or a club, if they wanted to, they could walk into a club, say, who wants to fuck?
Some guy's going to be down.
Most guys are probably going to be down to fuck.
If a guy walks, does the same exact thing, ain't no chick going to take him serious.
Ain't no chick going to be, he could be walking, good looking, have a fucking Lambo parked outside, be rich, balling, whatever it is.
No chick's just going to go straight up, go for it.
But speaking about the average man, the average man can't just hook up with a girl like that.
They can't do that.
I think you have a point here.
I think it depends on how charismatic they are.
If you're funny and you're cool and you're what percentage of men are charismatic and cool?
Well, and they should step that up.
Yeah, exactly.
You're like, where's your personality, man?
Well, that's very convenient for women to say, I want a guy who's funny, who's charismatic, who's confident, all this shit.
But doesn't it?
Men don't care about that shit in the world.
What?
You just need to get some.
What kind of dumb men are you talking about?
Most of them.
Men don't care about it.
There are so many hot chicks in the world.
Like, you want to have more substance than that.
Are you talking about for one-night stands?
You're right about those one-night stands.
I'm talking about partnership.
We're talking about getting laid.
Oh, just getting laid.
Yeah, we're talking about getting laid.
Oh, yeah.
All they care about is hot.
You're right.
Excuse me.
I misunderstood.
I mean, actually, for a lot of guys, like most men have no standards.
Yeah.
Have no boundaries.
Just for like one night, maybe.
No, even for relationships.
Most guys are so most men are so sex-starved.
Most guys are so affection-starved, attention-starved.
Most men don't get any attention from women.
So a lot of men will tolerate a lot of shit from women.
I think you're right.
Absolutely.
And like, not saying that that's a good thing, but that's just how it is, I guess.
But like, that's just the societal privilege of being a woman is that we have better chances of getting laid.
But like, what the fuck does that do for me in life?
Well, also, relationships, too.
Women have an edge up in relationships.
In relationships.
In getting relationships.
Like, we have more options in who we want to find suitable as a partner, whereas men will probably settle for a lot less because they are so sex-starved and affection-starved.
Here's the difference.
Yeah, here's the difference: is women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
Exactly.
So agreed.
I have a question.
How do you think that that could be evened out more or balanced out more?
How could it be?
I think, I mean, women lowering their standards.
Because some of y'all, frankly, are a bit delusional about not, I'm not saying all women, but some women have an elevated, an unrealistic, elevated sense of self, be it either their physical attractiveness or who they are as a person.
So I think if women were more realistic with their own self-assessments, I mean, we've done this on previous shows where like we'll ask someone in the chat, Mr. Stiffler, will ask what the women rate themselves.
And women will just rate themselves a 10.
I don't think that's like every woman, though.
No, it's not every woman.
Some women are very realistic about their appearance or what they're potentially bringing to a relationship.
But here's the issue, right?
And I think this is part of the contributing factor to why women have an elevated sense of their own attractiveness.
Because women can sleep up.
So you can sleep with a guy who's more attractive than you.
That guy will never commit to you.
He'll never commit.
So that's why you always hear girls talking about fuck boys and guys don't want to commit.
Well, it's because you're sleeping up.
So what you have happening is if a woman can sleep with a guy who's more attractive than her, she's going to think, well, I can sleep with a guy who I think is an eight or a nine.
I must be an eight or a nine.
So I can then date and have my standards that high.
Yeah, so I think that's part of the problem.
And we're seeing that play out on dating apps.
You have the top 10 or 20% of men on dating apps that are just crushing it on dating apps, just running through chicks.
But for 80% of men on dating apps, nothing.
They're struggling on dating apps.
So I mean, and I think men need to level up too, though.
Men need to improve too.
They got to stop being bums.
They got to stop smoking weed.
They got to stop drinking.
I mean, I have kind of very not radical takes on this, but I mean, they got to get fit.
They got to get their body right.
They got to get their money right.
So men got level up, but I do think to some degree women have, I mean, I think it's no surprise.
I think most women are very picky.
Yeah.
If you were to ask who's pickier, men or women, I mean, it's kind of duh.
Women are more picky.
Yeah, I feel like everyone should just meet each other halfway in some way.
Like women could maybe, in some ways, what you were saying, realize the standards and reality of situations, and men need to rise up to the occasion for the women and themselves.
Yes.
I mean, we could go around the table if you want to rate yourselves from one to ten.
That's awful.
Why is it awful?
You start with the best.
Yeah, you go.
Six, six point nine on a good day.
Nice number.
So is this rated by just like face or like physical appearance?
Okay, physical, physical appearance, strictly.
Maybe like so subjective.
Maybe like a seven, but with everything I have to like offer.
What'd you get?
Ten.
Oh shit.
What do you got?
Like what you were saying, like if I was on Tinder, I'd like.
You got that crypto?
I would use like a photo of me with my Range Rover.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh shit.
No way.
He's got the outright me in the Range Rover.
Yeah, I do.
Nice.
I want a Bronco.
Those are nice.
Yeah.
Okay.
Ratings?
I refuse to rate.
I think it's stupid.
I'm sorry.
I'm so granny about it.
But what's your objection to it?
Because I think it's subjective.
I think one day, like, some days I feel like I'm a 10.
Some days I feel like I'm a fucking zero.
Like, it's stupid.
It's your mentality.
It's not really your physical appearance.
It's how you feel about yourself.
And that reflects on what you see.
Here's a different way to.
Okay, we'll skip you.
I guess if I like really had to put a number to it, and like I have no idea if this is realistic or delusional, but I think I would put myself at an 8.7.
Okay.
Yeah, this is hard.
I would say like, I don't know, like 8.5.
I was, okay.
I feel like I need to change my screen.
That's a good question.
I was honestly, like, truthfully, at the bottom of my core, I feel like I'm like a 6.7, I think.
No, I like, I'm being really honest right now.
Yeah, I think that.
Yours is hard on yourself.
I know.
Before anyone said anything, I was going to like, I don't know.
But this is notable that, like, you know, I've come a long way.
I would have rated myself way lower.
So the first number that came to my head was a 7.7.
That was 7.7.
Okay.
Lucky number.
Lucky number.
37 play long.
Don't be so pessimistic.
So, Christina.
I'm not pessimistic.
What?
What do you think if we lined up 50 men?
What do you think they would rate you?
Me?
I don't know.
I'd be rating them before they rate me.
Just answer the question.
I don't know what to tell you.
I would drive me crazy if I gave a shit what men thought.
They shift.
If you have big titties, then they get bored and they want small titties.
If you've got a fat ass, then they always want fat ass.
If you have long legs and they want like, dude, like, they fuck it.
It's variety.
It's all about variety, okay?
Oh, I want a freaking exotic Latina.
Now I want like a little blondie.
You know, fuck them, dude.
I don't care what they think.
All right, I love you, though.
I love.
I love men.
We'll go around the panel on this.
What percentage of men do you find attractive?
Christina.
Oh, voice.
But I'm also a singer-songwriter.
What percentage?
R-E-I-G-N.
What percentage of men do you find attractive?
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought you said what do I find attractive.
What percentage of men do you find attractive?
Very small percentage.
I'm not attracted.
I'm very particular, which is actually hard for me because of that.
It doesn't have to be physically, it has to do with like a whole persona, like a whole style.
Just like the way they move.
Quick, quick, quick, quick.
I would say like maybe like 1%.
1% of men you find.
Maybe like 0.5.
Maybe like 0.0005.
I'm just being honest.
Okay, no, it's no.
By the way, I do want to say I appreciate all y'all honesty for the body count thing.
Some people don't want to answer that, so I do really appreciate you guys just answering it.
So what percentage of men do you find attractive?
That's tough.
But if I had to guess, like somewhere between 20 to 30%.
What about on dating apps?
Probably even less so.
Okay.
Maybe like 10%.
Maybe the way we could answer this, what percent of men would you, you don't have to give an exact percentage, but do you swipe left on on dating?
Or what percentage of men do you swipe right on, so yes, on dating apps?
Not very many, like maybe 5 to 10%, I guess.
Okay.
So what percentage of men do you find attractive?
I feel like 15%.
15%.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's very low.
I really don't know.
Probably under 10.
Under 10%.
Okay.
I mean, my roommate Anastasia can vouch for me.
I'm going to say around 50%.
In person, 50%.
On dating apps, it's like 10%, top 10%.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because in person, it's different.
You can feel a person.
On dating apps, you don't really know.
I have bad pictures.
And one picture, they look completely different than the other.
But in real life, you really get the feel for them.
So that's why the number's bigger.
Okay.
Wait, so just curious, like, why didn't you like the rating question?
Christina?
Oh, because I think it's really superficial.
It's just, the rating question doesn't make sense to me.
I don't rate unless I start to get to know someone.
Can I ask you a question?
Would you date a guy that's shorter than you?
Absolutely not.
I used to, but not anymore.
What's your height requirement?
At least 6'2.
At least 6'2?
How tall are you?
5'5.
5'5?
Yeah.
So 6'2 ⁇ .
5'5 ⁇ .
6'2 bare minimum.
Yeah, I just like tall dudes.
Okay, and you said you're 5'5, so that's like 7-8 inches difference.
Okay.
I see.
I like them to be healthy and agile as well, both mentally and physically.
And I'm like that now because men are so superficial and they're very particular about what they like.
And I'm very honest about that too.
So, you know, I don't get, I don't feel bad.
I used to date men that were very physically unattractive because I thought those things didn't matter.
But they actually do.
We are creatures of all the senses.
So that includes every part of us.
It's true.
Even the smell.
Smell is huge for me.
Okay, what about peen size?
What?
Peen.
The peen size.
What is peen?
Penis.
Penis?
Peen.
Peen.
I've never heard peen, but okay.
Does size matter to you?
I thought it didn't until I was with someone that had a pencil dick once, and I just, because he was a good dancer, so I was like, I thought that, you know, it would work out.
And it was absolutely fucking terrible.
And he was really bad at kissing, too.
He kissed like a lizard.
Oh, Jesus.
So yeah, now I think it does matter.
Jesus.
You're asking these questions.
I'm like, they're pretty raw, so I'm throwing them.
All right, no, I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
But okay, so I guess my question is, you object to the rating thing, but you're, is it because it's trying to measure someone?
Is that kind of your objective?
No, and I don't, like, that's so funny how men are so obsessed with their dicks because that's not even what turns me on.
Like when someone sends a dick pic, I'm like, ew, you just made me feel filthy.
Like it's sexier when like they're doing something intelligent or they're saying something witty and funny or I don't know.
It's different.
It's different.
Like or there's a certain look in their eyes.
Like I'm just not that.
I'm not thinking, oh, because dudes that are short can have huge dicks, FYI.
That has nothing to do with it.
Word.
And like tall dudes can have tiny dicks.
Seriously.
Like that's a thing.
Like you can't measure.
They say measure on foot size and like hand size.
Nah.
You just measure on like their vibe.
Yeah.
So moving on, sort of related to dicks.
Do men think with their dicks?
Yes.
I think majority of the time in my experience, men have thought with their dicks because at least what I've been told, even just yesterday, my friend was like, you know, like, speak for yourselves, please.
I would love to hear your guys' input.
But like when guys look at a girl, they just like think about sex automatically.
And I don't think women do the same thing almost ever.
So I think they most of the time do think with their dicks.
If they want to or not, it could be just their programming.
Yeah.
Really quick, just yes or no.
Do men think with their peens?
Yes.
Quick.
Oh, yes?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Absolutely.
I'm sorry.
I was reading the comments because they're ridiculously funny.
What was the question?
Are you just not paying attention?
No, I wasn't because I was...
Well, you have the comments.
Like, we're reading what you guys are saying, by the way.
I think it's hilarious.
Frank Castle.
Frank Castle, what?
Just, and then ask me the question again.
Think with their dicks.
Do men think with their dicks?
Absolutely.
Okay, do women think with their pussy?
They can, yeah.
Not, no, I don't think so.
Depends.
Yeah.
Most of the time, no.
I'd say most of the time, no.
It depends on whether you're ovulating or not.
Okay.
Okay, Josh, you have anything, Josh?
No, Josh.
Sorry, guys.
On this topic?
Yeah, do men think with their peens?
Do women think with their clams?
So I think men do think with their dicks, and women don't.
I don't, and if she does, she's probably like fucking wild.
Okay, so my question is then, if women don't think with their pussy, why is it the case then that the average woman has slept with more men, or sorry, has slept with more people than has the average man?
I don't think that's true.
Is that a statistic?
That's for sure true.
I feel like it probably just goes with the odds you were talking about, how women can sleep with men easier.
So they have more opportunities for that.
Yes.
I agree.
Yeah, same.
Okay.
Good answer.
I mean, that's like the straight answer to it.
Like, women sleep with men more because we can.
Because men don't really have the same privilege all the time.
Like, men wish they could.
Eric, really quick, just since we're on the topic, remember that infographic you pulled up last time?
Can you pull that up again?
So.
Christina, do you want to just come in on that?
On what?
The conversation that we've just been having.
Okay.
What was the question again?
Eric, do you have it pulled up?
Yeah, what's it called?
Hold on, I'll help you find it here.
I'm on a folder.
It is hold on guys.
Sorry, guys, one sec.
Oh, men, less sex.
Okay.
Men get a lot of sex, I think.
Men get less sex than women.
No, they don't.
F11.
F11.
Okay, so this is from the Washington Post.
You do get more sex.
Bruh, are young men driving the decline in sex?
Share of men and women between ages 18 and 30 reporting no sex in the past year.
Video games.
Blame it on the video.
Video games.
18% for women, 28% for men.
This is from 2018, by the way, from the Washington Post.
Well, I don't know if it's, is it reputable?
Whatever.
Very notable journal.
That's a 10% gap.
And this is 2018.
So I assume in 2022, it's actually increased because shit went crazy over the pandemic.
Only fans, you know, dating apps becoming even more popular.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
In 2018, dating apps were immensely popular.
But that's from the Washington Post.
I suspect it's probably like 35% men.
So one, let's maybe say 33%, one-third of men are not having sex.
Do you think we could say the same about women?
I'll open it up to Eliza.
I mean, I can't speak for all women.
You know, we all have our different experiences.
I thought you were like the leader of.
I don't know.
I feel like I have a different perspective.
The sisterhood.
Than a lot of other people.
I can share my opinion, but I definitely would fuck less than other women.
Anything?
I just speak, again, I speak for myself, but I'm not driven by that whatsoever.
I desire more of an emotional connection with somebody.
That's why I've only been with people that I've been in a relationship with.
So that's all I have to say, really.
I feel like if there's more people, like more women having sex, it's probably because they're in the relationship.
Because it's that what I think is like guys, it's harder.
Like, I don't think most of them want a relationship now in that age, 18 to 30.
So that's why I feel like there's more girls having sex because maybe they want a relationship and that's why they have more sex.
Well, I mean, in order for that infographic to make sense, what needs to be happening is there's a smaller proportion of men that are having sex with a lot of women.
Okay.
I don't know.
Wait, so you're saying...
So what's happening is that there's more women that are having sex, but they're having sex with the same guys, essentially.
Obviously not the whole, you know, there's, it breaks down geographically, but.
Well, duh.
But so, okay, relationship.
Sorry.
Well, it's not like the frequency so much.
No, yeah.
It's like the person, right?
Yeah.
So in order for that infographic to be true, what is happening is there's a small percentage of men that they're sleeping with most of the women.
So a small percentage of men are sleeping with most of the women.
Okay.
So like there's probably, for example, there's some guys probably in IV that are just racking up the numbers.
Yeah.
But most men can't do that.
Most men don't have access to hookup culture, whereas almost all women, if they were so inclined, have access to hookup culture.
No, yeah.
Yeah, this is exactly where we were talking before.
Like, because I don't know, like, if it's, there is because it's red.
I don't know what to say anymore.
Like, yeah.
I agree.
I think that's true.
Yeah.
I mean, I also agree it's like different though because I feel like a majority of women don't want the hookup culture.
Not all of them because like me personally, I do participate in hookup culture and I'm not really one for long-term relationships, but that's not how most women think.
Most women would rather have a long-term relationship rather than hookup culture.
Whereas men, that's what they strive for because that's so easy for them.
Like get to lay in bed with a nice chick, different chick, and not have to commit to a relationship.
That would be prime for them, but women don't want it even though it's possible.
Good point.
So that actually is, so that is men's, let's say, evolutionary biological sexual strategy.
That is men's sexual strategy.
Try to sleep with as many women as possible.
The thing is, though, is that most men can't.
For most men, they have to, it's going to be within the confines of a relationship.
But of the men that can, that's why a lot of women are encountering men that won't commit because they don't have to.
Because if they can, if they're just getting a whole bunch of chicks, then why?
Boom.
Okay.
And so I think I didn't get to touch on this when we were talking about it before.
So we were talking about the double standard, and you had brought up misogyny.
That it's misogyny that there's a double standard between men and women insofar as men are not shamed for if they sleep with a lot of women, but women are shamed.
Is that kind of what you were getting at?
I mean, I don't think that is the, that's just an effect of misogyny, I think.
That's what I was trying to say.
Right.
But so is the double standard justified?
That's what I want to open up to the panel.
So basically, men are viewed.
Excuse me.
Men are viewed as studs and women are viewed as sluts.
Do you think that's justified?
No.
Why would it be?
Yeah, it would.
Why would it be?
Yeah.
Well, I'm about to tell you.
So, and we've already sort of talked about this.
Women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
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Oh.
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I love you, bro.
Hey, that's one of our biggest super chats ever, man.
You're a fucking legend, Stephen.
We'll get to your super chat shortly here.
So, okay, I was talking about the double standard and why I personally think it's justified.
Sorry, okay.
I was just reading the super chat here.
So women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
I don't know if you've heard of this analogy.
A lock.
Have you heard this one?
A lock that opens to many keys is a shitty lock.
A key that opens many locks is a master key.
So it ultimately just comes down to it's very easy for women to sleep with men.
You just have to show up.
Like, so it's not impressive if you can sleep with a lot of men.
But for a guy to be able to sleep with a lot of women, he's there's something about him.
I think that there's like certain men, like let's say here it's like athletes, kind of, like they can get whoever they want, so why should they be praised for that?
You know what I mean?
So it's like, maybe the average man, yes, I understand what you're saying, but there are like men that are praised for getting as many girls as possible when they're like the top, like what, 10% or something?
But they're still praised.
But like women, like there are some women that can't get sex as easily as other women.
So why are they still called a slut, basically?
Because maybe they work for it too.
So it's like, I get that it's easier for women.
I totally, I do agree with you and I understand where you're coming from.
But there are women that can't and they still fall under the category of a slut because they're a woman.
Wait, so you're saying there's women that can't get laid?
As easy as other women.
Or like there are men that can get laid easier than certain women.
But women are called sluts because you know what I'm saying.
Does anyone know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
It's harder for some women to get laid and then when they do get laid, they're a slut.
Yes.
You take a super hot guy and he has the same body count as an average girl.
The super hot guy is automatically like, he's a player.
He's on some king shit, whatever.
But the girl is, she's passed around.
She belongs to the streets.
Even if it is like generally easier for girls, like if you have an average girl for her to be sleeping with a lot of guys, people will still be like, ew, how could she do that?
Like, how did she pull like that?
And it's like, why?
You know, how is that?
But like, if an average guy had the same body count as well, he's still getting praised for it.
Yeah.
He's bringing, but he's bringing something to the table.
He's got game or he's got status or he's got wealth.
So he's bringing something to the table.
Women don't need status.
They don't need wealth to get laid.
Not all women.
That is not.
That's what we're saying is there's certain, there's like maybe, I don't want to say a category of women, but for lack of better word, I'm going to say that.
But like there are like women that can't get laid as easy as like the really attractive men that have a don't have to work as hard as like maybe the average man does.
On average, I get what you're saying.
Yes, women like probably can get laid easier than men, but like these women are still labeled as sluts even though they're not.
And that's where it's like the double-edged sword, I feel like, because like I don't know.
Like if I had a higher body count, a guy's going to look at me and be like, I don't want that.
But why am I not allowed to do the same for a guy?
You are allowed to.
I am, but society kind of puts a pressure to kind of let that kind of thing go.
Like, oh, well, he's a guy, so it's fine.
It's normal.
It's okay if he got with a lot of girls.
So, I mean, I think women, generally speaking, care less about their partner's body count than do men care about their partner's body count.
But I think, I mean, my take on this is that women are, women can have any preference or standard or boundary they want.
If a woman doesn't want to date a guy that's a player or that's, you know, has a high body count himself, that's totally fine.
And she might want to do that because that guy, if he's got a high body count, and if she genuinely wants a serious relationship, she might be like super like relationship type chick.
She only wants to have sex within the confines of a monogamous relationship.
I think that's a perfectly reasonable standard for any woman to have that, hey, I don't want to date player.
And there's definitely women like that.
I actually think there's not really much shaming women in terms of, I don't really hear that so much, like women being shamed for not wanting to date a guy with a high body count.
I don't really hear that so much.
I think women care less, but what I do hear a lot is men being shamed for not wanting to date a woman with a high body count.
Because it becomes this slut shaming.
Yeah.
Whereas fuck boy shaming is men want women to be more of their own or they want them to be like more innocent or to be have less experience.
Like why is it that menu?
So look at women this way.
Like why do men want a woman with a lower body count?
Yeah.
So it's a couple things.
It's a few things.
One, you mentioned the word innocent.
Men are attracted to women who are innocent.
Yeah.
Men, whether people like to, whether they hate this, men are attracted to women or men value sexual purity in women.
And, you know, that could either manifest itself.
Excuse me, there's a fly.
That can either manifest itself as someone who has a very low body count or who's a virgin.
Now, the days of a woman being a virgin, having the expectation a woman is a virgin, that's long gone.
But still, we look for it in someone who has a low body count.
And there's a couple reasons.
So there's an evolutionary reason.
Sorry, there's a fly that's harassing me, guys.
There's an evolutionary reason for it.
With body count, if a woman has a high body count, if she sleeps with a lot of men, if she's promiscuous, if she has a child, you cannot guarantee who the father is of that child.
Without a DNA test, right?
Right.
But in the past, throughout all human history, you know, DNA tests, that's from the 1980s when we sequenced, you know, whatever.
So that's very new.
So that doesn't change our men's evolutionary and biological hardwiring for preferring a partner who has a low body count.
So it comes down to, one, the paternity thing, because one of the biggest fears a guy has is that kid not being yours.
That's pretty much the biggest L a guy can take if you think the kid is yours and it's not yours.
That's a huge L for guys.
So men have a vested interest in ensuring that the child is theirs, but there's no way to know.
Whereas for women, if you get pregnant, you know the kid is yours.
But for men, they don't know.
Do men care about if they want to go around and get and lay all these girls and stuff?
Do they care about having multiple children with random women then?
No.
They don't.
They can just have their offspring.
But it's still like an evolutionary hardwiring that's ingrained in them.
So a guy could be in his, you know, 19, 20, 21.
He has no intention of having children anytime soon.
But that's not going to change that there's this evolutionary, evolutionary psychology thing that's ingrained in men to find promiscuity unappealing and unattractive and frankly disgusting.
So there's that from a more intellectual level.
I mean, I could give you, let's see, where do I want to start with this?
Okay, so someone who's I can tell you, me personally, a woman who's promiscuous, if I know that she's just like hooking up with a bunch of guys, and I think some guys don't care about this, but I don't want to sleep with a girl who's fucking another guy.
That's a big thing for me.
I mean, I think a lot of people could agree with that.
Yeah, like, I don't want...
Yeah, not everyone...
No.
No, but I mean, the dating meta is as such, like both men and women are entertaining a lot of options.
So you have to assume probably if you're going on a date with someone, hey, they could be sleeping with at least one other person.
Maybe two or three.
You probably know some guys.
You probably know some girls that have a roster.
They're hooking up with a bunch of people.
And so to me, the thought of sleeping with a woman who's fucking another guy, oh, she fucked her, she fucked him the night before.
He came in her, and then I'm going to fuck her.
To me, that's just gross.
Yeah.
And women, by the way, I want to make something very clear.
Women can have this exact same preference and standard for men.
A woman might think it's gross.
Oh, you fucked a chick yesterday.
I don't want to fuck you.
So there's that.
There's also STD risk with body count.
The more sexual partners you have, you're more likely to have an STD.
Be it permanent or otherwise.
Yeah.
That's often overlooked in this discussion.
I mean, and yeah, you can get tested, but like I think, you know, we can all be realistic here.
Most people that are hooking up, having sex for the first time, are they really getting tested before they have sex with someone for the first time?
No.
Most people are hooking up at bars, clubs, parties, one-night stands.
You're not getting an STD test.
That's a very spontaneous thing.
So people aren't getting STD tests for that.
They've also done studies that people who have higher body count, who are more promiscuous, more likely to cheat on you.
They're less likely to be able to pair bond because they've detached sex from intimacy.
So the more casual sex you have, the more difficult it is for you to pair bond with someone.
If you've slept with 100 people, that number 101 isn't going to be special to you.
Yeah, that makes sense.
You're not going to care about them.
Just another number on the bottom.
Just another number, number 101.
So there's that.
But they have done studies.
So you're more likely to be divorced, the higher the body count, more likely for divorce, more likely for relationship dissatisfaction, more likely for infidelity, more likely for just the, if it's not marriage, more likely for the relationship to not work out.
And you're just, you're not as capable of falling in love and being able to pair bond with that person.
That makes sense because you just go through it so many times that eventually the time is going to come where you'll just not really care and just keep going and going and going and you'll never really get that full fulfillment or satisfaction that you could if you hadn't done that.
Exactly.
And if you're constantly just having casual sex, just casual hookups, you are basically rewiring your brain to go towards short-term pleasure seeking.
Oh, that makes sense.
So in the same way, like, because it's very exciting to be with someone new.
And then if you're constantly doing it, then you're kind of rewiring your brain a bit there versus delayed gratification.
In the same way, if you've just swiped up on TikTok, you know, if you've been on TikTok swiping or whatever it's called, going through the... For you page.
Yeah, going through the for you page for three hours.
And then you want to sit down and read a book.
Good luck.
You know?
Yeah.
So in the same way that TikTok kind of rewires you to messes with your attention span, it's sort of similar.
I get that.
That's a good correlation there.
And comparing those.
That makes it.
I think people should be free to do whatever they want.
But, I mean, I think women care a little bit less about body count, but definitely men.
Like, that's a pretty big.
Yeah.
I think men care a lot more about it.
Yeah, everyone's definitely going to do what they want, but there definitely are, I can see some like systems of just like evolution and stuff that do have effect in all of this.
And I feel like it can be put in the background a lot of the time and people don't really realize the effect that their actions could be having on their life and in the world.
Yeah, we can go around the table really quick on this.
Do you think body count should matter?
For everyone?
Like men and women?
Well, I guess we could phrase it like this.
Do you object to men?
I think most of you would probably agree men do care about a woman's body count, maybe.
Do you object to that being a standard that men have in women?
I mean, I don't think I get the whole reasoning and the whole conversation we just had, but I don't think, I still think that they should maybe keep their eyes open because what if the person you're truly meant to be with and like you have a real connection with has fucked like 30 plus guys.
You know, I feel like there's different cases for everyone, and that's where it all comes into play.
But yeah.
So should body count matter?
I don't think it should matter.
It's really hard.
I don't know.
I like personally, since I've been in a long-term relationship, I can lie and say like it didn't like affect me or it's not something that like bothered me a little bit in the beginning, but I think that that's up to the person and if like the person they want to be like, I don't know.
I think it's very, very subjective to everybody.
For me, like I am very dedicated to who I'm with and like the thought of it sometimes bothers me a little bit, but I don't think it should matter in general to people.
Yeah.
I don't think it should matter, but unfortunately it matters.
Like this year is my second year and like we barely started the school year and I have been asked, I don't know how many times what my body count was.
You've been asked.
Yeah, a lot of times.
By man, of course.
Yeah, man.
On dating apps?
No, just my friends.
Friends.
Oh, but so was it just a conversation or they were romantically interested?
Were they romantically interested in you?
I don't know.
Maybe some of them, yeah.
But I never ask something like that, you know?
Like, I feel like it's something so for me, something so stupid.
Like, I don't care how many people you have slept with.
Like, I don't actually, I don't care, but if, like, it would be nice if I know, but it's not, like, something, like, I don't know, something that meanful, you know?
I don't know.
Yeah, um, I think that it really should not matter.
And it kind of sucks that it does because I feel like the reason that women don't care as much as men is kind of because we're conditioned not to care as much.
Like, it's more normalized for men to participate in hookup culture and to rack their body count up than it is for women.
And so, because of that, I feel like it's honestly more of a possessive thing.
Like, a man just wants to know that his woman hasn't been hitting up the streets or whatever.
Whereas women don't care as much because we're not as possessive about that.
Like, I personally wouldn't care if the guy that I ended up with had a higher body count because he's, well, it kind of depends on the person himself too.
But, like, if he's a good person and he has a higher body count, he's just experiencing his life before me, before meeting me.
And, like, hopefully, it doesn't continue to rack up after meeting me.
But I can't really change what came before me, you know?
Okay, Christina?
So, it's interesting because I was thinking just like on your takes on body count.
It does, and it doesn't matter.
So, because we were kind of conditioned for the whole body count thing to matter, I believe, like, with men, it doesn't bother me that they've had their experiences because that way, because I'm always looking for partnership, I know they've been through enough people to know what they want.
But that being said, for me, hygiene and no STDs is 100% important.
So, I have to make sure I know the person well and know that they don't have anything because some people are really safe regardless of whether they've had lots of experiences.
They're intelligent.
They know how to protect themselves.
Just because they've had their high sexual driver adventures doesn't mean they're not safe about it.
So, yeah, you can get an STD the first time you have sex.
Like, I don't know if you've seen that movie.
Was it like the, what's with Rosario Dawson, where she was like, it was like they're all 13.
I mean, yeah, you can definitely get an STD the first time you have sex, but it's just like, it's just you're more likely to get the more people you sleep with, there's a higher likelihood that you're going to have an STD or get an STD.
So here's the thing: I'm worried more so about my health than anything.
And if that, that body count means that my health is in jeopardy, then yeah, it matters.
If it doesn't, then I don't care what you did before.
What matters to me is who you are to me.
What happened in the past is your deal.
Just as what happened in my past.
Because otherwise, you just bring the past into the present, which is not cool.
Okay.
Josh, anyway.
Should body count matter?
Should it?
Probably not.
But like, I've had conversations with like women.
And then, like, if it's like a high number, you're kind of almost just like, damn.
You know, it's just like, if it's kind of high, kind of like almost let down by it.
But at this point, for myself, I don't even ask because like you're going to get let down like at some point.
Or they're just going to lie.
Or they might just lie.
So that's true.
Yeah.
Let me ask you guys a question.
So do you guys object?
Do you guys object to a guy having that as a preference?
Because you guys think body count should matter.
But would you object or take issue with a guy saying, hey, to me, body count matters really quick?
Just yes or no?
This isn't so quick.
No.
No, because it's to him.
I'll probably say yes.
I'll be like, what does like, you know, I'll probably say yes, but yeah.
Yes, that you have an issue with a guy caring.
Yeah, like, I don't care what you care, you know?
Like, I don't know.
Like, you can care if you want to, but, like.
But do you think it's wrong for him to care?
Okay, it's not wrong, but, like, I wouldn't like if somebody cares that much about me, you know?
Not about me, yeah, but not about my body count.
Yeah, I'd say same answer as her.
Like, probably, like, shouldn't, but I would think it's wrong.
Like, I would be like, why?
You know?
You would think it's wrong for the guy to care about body count?
It depends.
Like, for my body count personally, like, are we saying hypothetically, like, it's in the hundreds?
Like, would I be upset if he cared?
Let's say he's not even necessarily caring about your body count.
It's just more in general.
If he cares about a woman's body count, I think I would say, yeah.
I think that too many guys care and they need to stop caring because just like girls, we've learned to stop caring and we've learned to not ask those kinds of questions.
Like, smart man right here, just don't ask.
Like, why even worry about it when you can just be.
Yeah.
There's other things to worry about.
Yeah.
Okay.
It shouldn't matter.
All right.
So you would take issue with it.
You would take coral.
Yeah.
Okay.
Would you not date a guy if that was one of his preferences?
Um, probably not.
I think that if that's something that really determines whether you like me or not, then maybe you're not for me.
Okay, so red flag for you if the guy cares about body count.
If he cares too much, yeah.
If it's a breaking point for him, then yeah.
Okay, Christina?
Honestly, it depends on the context.
Like, I don't, I would be honest, like I said before when you asked the question, I don't remember because it didn't matter to me.
And I've been in monogamous relationships for a long ass time.
So, no.
Like, I don't know.
I really don't know.
If it really bothers him, you know, maybe we're not meant to be with each other.
I mean, if that's going to impede on the connection and everything else involved, then yeah, I mean, that's pretty narrow-minded, if you ask me.
So, probably.
Okay, so I got a question for you here.
So, do any of you have like a really innocent friend?
A female friend?
Yes.
Super innocent.
Maybe she's really a bit naive, has very little dating experience, might even be a virgin.
Maybe she's a bit shy.
Maybe she's a bit introverted.
If she told you that she wanted to date someone like her, she didn't want to date a guy who's a player.
Would you take issue with that?
No, I think that whoever she wants to date and her standards are, that's what she should go for.
And I'm always there to elevate that and tell her what I think she deserves, you know, because she's my friend and I don't want her in like some relationship that's treating her like shit.
But I believe if she wants someone that's like her, then she should go and try to find that if that's really what her heart wants.
Right, so she doesn't want to date a guy who's a player.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Your take?
Would you take issue with a girl who she's a bit more innocent?
She does not want to get with a player.
Because she wants a long-term relationship.
Oh, no.
What?
Oh, like, she wants to date a player or no?
No, she doesn't want to date a player.
She tells you that she's very naive, innocent, a bit shy, introverted.
Do you take issue with her not wanting to date a player?
Not at all.
Why would I?
I don't know.
I mean, I feel like it's kind of the similar answer.
Obviously, I wouldn't have an issue with it, but I would probably suggest to her, like, maybe be a little more open-minded because I don't think that because he had a higher body count, that necessarily always makes him a player.
Like, a lot of players have higher body counts, but maybe he's a really good guy and just had a lot of shitty relationships.
And so her closing that off is kind of the same as men closing off women with higher body students.
So like if I were to say no to that, I feel like I would be contradicting myself a little.
So I feel like it's she, I would suggest to be a little more open-minded at least, but do you.
Everyone do you.
If you want somebody more like you, find someone more like you, you know?
And Christina, just oh, sorry, go ahead.
Sorry, I was going to ask, so is it about body count still, or is it about like he's a player as a human being?
I guess I misunderstood the question, I think.
Well, I mean, someone who's a player, that's essentially a guy who sleeps with a lot of women.
I was thinking it as like someone that like plays with your emotions.
He like talks to a lot of girls.
He's always jumping around.
That's what I'm saying.
That's a liar meant.
A game.
I mean, a woman that sleeps with a lot of men who's promiscuous.
Not if she's being transparent.
That's not a player.
I feel like it depends on our definition of the term player.
A liar is not what you think it is.
If you're being honest about what you are and what your intentions are, you are not a player.
You're a player when you're trying to have sex with whoever you want and saying whatever you can to get them in bed.
That's a player.
If you're like, hey, I just want to have sex with you, totally respect it.
I'm not into you, but.
Okay, fine.
I'll rephrase the question.
I mean, my sense of player doesn't necessarily mean that you're like manipulating the woman, but I guess that's for some people they could take it that way.
Okay, so just the same scenario.
You have a really innocent friend, but she doesn't want to, she's very innocent, doesn't have a lot of dating experience.
She doesn't want to date a guy with a really high body count because her impression is that he just doesn't want anything serious.
I would say that she needs to really get to know the person because that might be her person that she really connects with.
And I think that she should just take it one day at a time and actually give it a chance, probably.
Because people change.
People don't stay players forever.
I guess that was my mistake.
I shouldn't have used the word player.
But what I was basically trying to get at is a couple of you said I would take issue with a guy caring about body count.
But I just painted a scenario for you where a girl she says, hey, you know, I don't want to date a guy who he has a high body count.
I shouldn't have used the player term, though, because that kind of threw off.
That's why I have an explanation.
I have an answer to transfer.
Promiscuity and manipulating someone to do what you want them to do.
I mean, my sense of player, like, doesn't.
Anyways, I should have used a more precise example.
But, anyways, we'll move on.
Go ahead, Jeff.
No, I have a real life that situation you just said.
So, my friend, she's 18.
She just went to college, and she was a, she still is, and was a virgin.
And that's just because she was an innocent girl.
Like, she was a little baddie, but she was like innocent, right?
And she actually wanted to lose her virginity before she left to my friend, and he's like a player.
And she tried to get him, but like, that didn't work out.
I didn't know.
Wait, what?
Well, like, he couldn't get like hard?
Yeah.
Wait.
She was like, what?
The highmen?
Are we talking about the hymen?
What?
What?
Yeah, like, he was going to take her virginity, but he couldn't get like hard.
Oh, he couldn't get hard.
He couldn't get hard.
What?
Yeah, I know.
Why?
He just couldn't.
Because she was a virgin?
Yeah.
No, he knew she was a virgin.
It was just he's.
Oh, so this is just a problem he has in his job.
Yeah, it was his problem, pretty much.
Sad.
Rip.
That's supposed to.
Can we get some skulls, some skulls in the chat, some RIPs in the chat for this guy who he fumbled the baddies?
He did.
Fumbled the virgin baddie.
What?
Oh, and now she's in college and like a bunch of like.
No, no, no.
No, a bunch of pro athletes are like, like.
Wait, is she still a virgin?
Yeah, she's still a virgin.
Does she live in San Barbara?
She did, but she goes to school.
What's up?
Hit me up.
Okay.
I want to still.
What?
She's coming back tonight.
I'm going to pick her up at 10.
Oh, she's.
Oh.
Wait, for real?
Yeah.
We have to invite her.
Hook it up, Josh.
Okay.
She's just a friend.
For me, she's just a friend.
She's just a friend.
Hook it up, Josh.
Okay, so.
I got you.
We're going to watch a video because I want to wrap up on the double standards thing.
Eric, if you can go ahead and pull up the Jim Jeffries video, good sir.
Oh, it's in the window.
You're going to go in the window?
Nope.
No, Window.
Window tab.
It's already loaded.
It's already loaded.
Oh, I dropped it.
What?
Wait.
What?
No, Intermission.
What the fuck?
What is that?
I love you, Eric.
Switch to window.
Switch to window.
Yeah, oh, yeah, close that out.
Actually, you know what?
You might have been right.
That the infographic threw me off.
So scroll down in the sources.
Jim Jeffries, it's right below the tape one.
All right.
Go ahead and play it.
I've got a theory.
Every single time a man sleeps with a lot of women, he's got a stud.
But if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's got a slut.
And people think this is unfair.
Nah.
It's completely fair.
And I'll tell you why, right?
Because it's fucking easy to be a slut.
It's fucking hard to be a stud.
To be a stud, you have to be witty, charming, well-dressed, have nice shoes, and a fake job.
To be a slut, you just have to be there.
There are fat, ugly sluts out there.
There are no fat, ugly studs.
I've met slutty dwarfs.
I've never met a stud dwarf.
Maybe in their own realm, but none that have crossed over to our world.
Okay, so that was from Jim Jeffries.
That's from one of his old stand-up specials from like 2009.
That sort of addresses the double standard in terms of men being viewed as studs, women being viewed as sluts.
Your take on it.
I mean, I get what he was saying, and just the whole situation of it being easier for girls to go out and fuck guys and guys not having the same accuracy in that way and it being harder for them to go fuck a bunch of girls.
Right.
Yeah.
So that his explanation, and I don't know if we really got into this, but that's why the double standard is justified.
Yeah.
Okay.
Your response to the video?
I still don't think that it's justified because there are a lot of other factors that go into it, but I do understand the point of view.
Actually, just on that topic, Eric, can you pull up another infographic?
And it's in the infographic folder.
It's called OKC MSG.
let me know when you got it and then oh you're gonna put the uh yeah yeah You got it.
Can you control zoom in on that a little bit?
A little less?
There, perfect.
So this is from OKCupid, which is a dating app.
Number of messages received versus recipients attractiveness.
So what we have here, the light blue is male, the dark blue is female.
And at the bottom there, least attractive to medium to most attractive.
So this kind of goes back to it being harder for men.
And the point you were making before, and the reason I brought this up, is because you were saying how, well, really good-looking men will do really well, whereas like an average-looking woman, she's going to struggle when it comes to getting late, to getting sex.
But this is the comparison.
So the most attractive man on this on this app is getting about the same messages as like an average-ish woman.
Yeah.
Yeah, the point I was making before is there are women that still fall under the standard of being a slut, even if they're not like the most attractive person, or they fall under the category of being less attractive than like the medium.
But so an average-looking woman can still very easily get laid.
I feel like it's not so much the point of whether or not they can do it, but the like respect or the idea behind it.
Because like an average woman that's sleeping with a lot of men, if she's not prettier to like those standards, she's just gonna be a slut.
And it's not even in a good way, just a slut, you know?
But whereas a man, like, regardless of what he really looks like or his personality, all of that stuff, if he's getting a lot of women, he's still going to get that respect.
Okay.
Christina?
Yeah.
I'm not sure what I have to say about it, honestly.
Okay, we're going to do some chats really quick.
Tyler Durden is asking for a fit check on the ladies.
Fit check?
Sure.
Like, stand up.
Do we like?
Yeah.
Wow, that is so.
I like my fit.
He does my standard.
Stand up.
No, but I don't want to be the only one.
What?
Stand up?
Yeah.
This is so wrong, by the way.
No, Eric, keep it.
Keep it.
Don't zoom in.
Oh, my gosh.
Fit chat check.
Hope you guys like it.
Just throw it on satisfaction.
Yeah, I like that.
No.
Okay.
That was energy.
That was Tyler Durden.
Okay.
We got some super chats here.
I'm trying to see where we left off.
Let's see.
Wait.
Did we do this one?
Yeah.
Okay.
This one?
Who has it harder?
Okay, well.
Just a reminder, guys, $10 and up.
Yo, Mike Davis, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
That conversation between Brian and Blonde sounds like something that will go down in a special needs facility.
That's why I don't take advice from females.
Just watch what they respond to.
Not sure what conversation that you're doing.
I guess you and me would be on the short bus.
Yeah.
I mean, if I need help, I will pleasurably take some.
Okay.
Thank you, Mike Davis, for the $10 soup chat.
$5 soup chat.
I don't know it.
I can't remember how many prostitutes I paid.
I don't.
Oh, I think that's.
Josh, I think that's targeted at you.
You don't remember?
Oh, he thinks I bought women.
Yeah.
Oh, I have not bought a woman.
Do you have anything to say back to Mr. Mike Davis?
Yeah, no, I haven't bought any woman.
Okay, Mike Davis.
He says that he has not slept with prostitutes.
Okay.
Every day, Edgar, girls change before you end up 37 and single.
Okay.
Brian.
Mike Davis, $5.
Jesus.
Brian being real careful with Eric.
Chris gave him PTSD.
Yeah, man.
Trauma.
I'm traumatized.
That was intense.
Adolf Meowler, bootleg AOC and Elijah were made for each other.
Wait, who's Elijah?
Eliza.
Did they mean Eliza maybe?
Oh.
Eliza.
Elijah.
Oh, yeah.
So this is bootleg AOC.
Oh, he's Elijah.
What?
Right?
This is Elijah.
I think they meant Eliza.
Oh, okay, okay.
I mean, I'll take that as a compliment.
Yeah, me too.
Okay.
I think you're amazing.
Yo, Steven Krug with the $100 Soup Chat.
Hey, good to see you back, man.
I did see that comment.
I was pretty bummed out when you dipped, but hopefully you're back, man.
You know, it's all worked out.
It is what it is.
Anyways, okay.
Been plagued by the short guy BS my whole life.
Damn, it sucks.
And makes you realize how ape-like us humans are.
I hope superior aliens are real.
I'm 5'6, but also a multi-millionaire at age 30.
I'll put that 6'2 man to work picking cucumbers out of my backyard.
It's funny.
All right, I think, was that targeted at AOC?
I said the 6'2 comment, and I don't feel bad about it because men are look at all.
I'm looking at the commentary.
Oh, she's cute.
The last batch was better.
Nah, nah, nah.
Like all this superficial shit.
So if I want to say, hey, I like tall men, I'm allowed to.
Hey, it's your preference.
That's fine.
But hey, Stephen Krug, thank you for the big $100 super chat, man.
You're a fucking legend, dude.
Yes, yes.
And yeah, unfortunately, dude, by the way, Steven, come be on the show, man.
You're invited.
But yeah, it's tough out there for shorter guys.
You know, but it sounds like you're making up for it in a lot of other ways.
You play hockey, clearly.
You're obviously a legend at hockey.
You're a multi-millionaire.
You're probably set for life, right, Steven?
So, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, you're a catch.
You do drink a bit too much beer, though, or is it whiskey when you're viewing the show?
But, man, really appreciate you.
Really appreciate the support, man.
And yeah.
It is an evolutionary thing, I think, for a lot of women to prefer men that are taller.
So it's kind of tough.
But ultimately, Stephen, the fact of the matter is, your height has absolutely no bearing on who you are as a partner to a woman.
So, you know, I think there's certainly a superficial aspect to it, but men, we certainly have our own superficialities.
So, yeah.
But yeah, dude, short men definitely.
Got the short end of the stick.
Damn.
Boom.
Okay.
There we go.
We got $10 from German Inzunza.
How's it going, everyone?
Hey, man.
Thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
Much appreciated.
All right, we got a bunch.
We got a couple super chats.
Oh, wait.
Already did that one.
How is it going?
We can answer this really quick.
How's it going, everyone?
Amazing.
So happy to be here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So exciting.
Wow, that was the least amazing.
That's how fun.
All right, Walker with the Walker Levin with the $9 British, or sorry, 9 British pounds.
Sorry about the Queen, dude.
Rip.
Can we get some skulls and the RIP in the chat for the Queen?
Rest in peace for the Queen, guys.
Stay hydrated, folks.
Heatwave be crazy.
Hopefully, Libby Schaff joins the Queen upstairs.
Oh, Libby?
Libby Schaff?
Shout out Oakland.
Bro, Walker, you got to explain this, dude.
You're donating in British pounds, but you're shouting out Oakland.
Oakland in UK?
Okay.
Davenport with the $9.
Wait, is this Walker?
Is this your sleeper account?
Okay.
Are beauty standards racist?
Is that a question?
We'll talk about that.
Yeah, we'll talk about that really quick.
I'm trying to think how I would frame.
I don't know if I really want to get too much into race.
I could ask this.
Who do you think is more willing to date outside of their race, men or women?
I don't know.
I feel like there's not a definite answer on that for me personally.
I don't know.
I feel like it's women.
Women are more willing to date outside the race.
Is your boyfriend white guy?
Okay.
Yeah, I think it's women too.
Women are more willing to date outside the race.
Okay.
Yeah, I'd have to agree with women.
Okay, Christina?
Josh?
Are beauty standards racist?
No, so who's more willing to date outside of their race, men or women?
Oh, outsider of the race?
Maybe men?
Women?
I don't know.
I honestly don't know.
Own it, Josh.
Say it with your chest.
Outside of their race.
Okay.
So.
Just say it.
Men.
I know you want to say it.
There you go.
Men.
Yeah, I would say men.
I would say men.
No?
Disagree?
Sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, you guys already answered it, so of course you disagree.
Well, the one thing I would point to is this: a lot of women won't date Asian and Indian men.
Like, you ask a lot of women, and they'll say, I don't find Asian and Indian men attractive.
What, what's the friends with?
For example, I what, wait, what?
What's my experience?
Like, where, like, where do you get that from?
Like, from Asian men.
I've multiple Asian Asian male friends and some Indian male friends, and they've told me, yeah, like, a lot of women, like, white women, Asian women, don't want to date an Indian man or an Asian guy.
I feel like maybe they're looking in the wrong places because I think that there are women out there who would be willing to do that.
So they just are maybe, you know, not passing by.
I'm not the standard.
Is that what you're saying?
Is like they're not the standard.
Like, women don't gravitate towards them.
I'm just like.
I'm speaking generally.
This is what I've heard from my Asian friends.
They're like, bro, I can't, like, they just don't go for me.
Like, white women, black women, Latina women.
I don't really.
That's what they've reported to me.
I mean, and don't, I mean, there's definitely for sure.
I'm speaking in generals.
Of course, there's women that date Asian men.
Yeah.
There's white women that date Asian men, but I have heard that complaint from a lot of Asian men.
Okay, Mike Davis with $10 soup chat.
Brian, I took your side with that low-T, maniacal Chris dude, but you got to chill with that nervous energy at your producers.
Eric, was I did that.
Eric, did I, what?
Was all was I low?
Okay.
Eric, he forgives me.
Eric has thick skin.
No, I don't think I was.
Oh, Jesus.
Okay.
I did drop the World of Warcraft minus 50 dragon DKP points on Eric, though.
But honestly, that was my fuck-up, I think.
Ish.
That crosses the line.
Oh, shit.
Wait, what crosses the line that I fucked up?
World of Warcraft.
Oh, the World of Warcraft.
Oh, yes.
Eric was thoroughly upset by the Anyxia.
Anyways, nobody knows what that is.
Do you guys play World of Warcraft while we're at it?
No, sir.
Dude, I bet Cheyenne.
Fuck, did I?
You said it right.
Every time you say it right, you second-guess yourself.
You don't know any other Cheyennes?
I just.
I get tongue-tied.
I stutter.
Cheyenne.
You played World of Warcraft, didn't you?
I can tell.
That's a bold assumption.
You played a gnome mage.
Right?
A gnome female gnome mage, level 60?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Nobody gets my.
Do I look like someone?
Play World of Warcraft?
Absolutely.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'll have to take it.
Okay.
Davenport, with what is Josh's birth gender?
I mean, if you want to answer that, you can.
It's male.
Okay.
Mike Davis with the $10 soup chat.
Rookie fit check.
Get their better side next time.
I can already eyeball mixed girl got a dumb truck.
Okay, Mike.
Which one's the mixed girl?
What?
AOC or Cheyenne?
Yeah, be specific.
I ain't going to say something like that.
I don't think it was me.
Do you guys want to do another fit check?
Because Mike Davis.
No, not even a little bit.
Mike Davis is complaining that it wasn't satisfactory.
Sorry, Mike.
He's disappointed.
I think Mike can go find a fit check on a different website.
Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot out there for you, Mike.
Uh-oh.
He's going to roast you back.
Okay.
Come on at me.
Yo, Nima with the $3 Canadian Brian, what is your IQ?
I think it's pretty high.
I don't know.
I've never taken the test.
I think I'm okay.
Honestly, like, my problem is, is I honestly don't think I'm nearly as articulate or well-spoken or eloquent as I'd like to be.
I stutter a bit.
So I don't know.
But anyways, thank you for the Canadian $3, man.
The exchange rate is really bad right now.
Let's see here.
Okay.
Do we have any other soup chats, Eric, or is that pretty much it?
Okay, really quick.
Big dick energy, thoughts.
What do you think of the term big dick energy?
Explain yourself.
Like the term?
The term.
Just in general?
Yeah, like do you use it?
Have you used it?
I don't really use it, but I think it is something that guys can bring to the table, you know, because there's different ways guys can act and ways that they can be interpreted and girls can feel that.
And I feel like if you want to bring like your masculinity and you want to bring that to a feminine, then you could bring some big dick energy.
You don't have to have a big dick, but you can have the energy of someone that is that confident and would exude that, like they can get shit done and they know their worth and they'll present that to you through their energy.
So that's my thoughts on it.
Well said.
Thank you.
Really quick, your thoughts?
I think it's just another term to like to show that a man is like exuding confidence.
I think that's pretty nice.
And so the inverse of big dick energy is small dick energy.
Yeah, somebody that's like, what's that word?
An incel.
That's what that is.
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah.
Brazil?
Yeah, I don't use like, you know, I'm from Brazil, so I don't use like this term.
How do you say, translate it?
How do you say big dick energy in Portuguese?
Pau Grenji.
Small dick energy?
Pau piquielo.
Okay, for our Portuguese listeners, or Brazilian listeners.
Is there anyone there?
I don't know.
Brazilian flags in the chat.
I saw some.
Okay, so thoughts on the term big dick energy, small dick energy?
Yeah, I mean.
Do you use it?
I have before, like, ironically.
Okay.
Oh, that's big dick energy.
That just, like, I feel like that's just a way of saying, like, he's a cool guy.
Have you used small dick energy?
Probably.
Probably just.
To describe what?
An asshole.
A dick fag.
Christina.
No, I've actually never used that term, but if I were to use it, I would think of it more of as like a megalomaniac thing.
So I'd be like, oh, look at that.
Mr. Big Dick.
He thinks he got a big dick, you know.
Okay.
Josh, thoughts?
Have I used it?
I've never used it.
But like.
You've heard, though.
You've heard the term.
People say that about us sometimes.
So I'm going to go around the table.
Who here is for body positivity?
Yes.
Yeah.
Who isn't?
For body positivity.
Yes.
Christina.
Sorry, I was reading the comments.
Jesus, my friend.
I'm sorry.
It's really hard for me not to.
Oh, my God.
Okay, so stop reading.
Just stop reading the chat.
Stop reading the chat.
You're banned.
You're banned from reading the chat.
Okay, so how can you simultaneously say that you're for body positivity, but then also use these terms, which are deeply offensive to men?
Damn.
Deeply offensive.
Because it's not actually about their body.
It's more of a descriptive word of who they are as a person.
Sure.
Wait, you're offended by body positivity?
No.
No.
I do think.
So frankly, I don't care about the terms big dick energy or small dick energy.
But what I would say, The reverse, y'all would lose your shit if we were talking about loose pussy energy, cavernous badge energy, small tits energy, fat girl energy.
Like, y'all would lose your minds if guys were using these terms the same way that women use big dick energy, small dick.
Oh, he must have a small dick.
I mean, I feel like guys have their own terms that they use, and they just talk shit about girls without those words.
Whores, such that's if a guy, if a guy publicly calls a woman a slut or a whore, he's in major fucking trouble.
There's going to be reprisal.
There will be reprisal.
If women just willy-nelly, that you can throw around big dick, small dick energy, blah, blah, blah.
All this disagree with that.
That is so not the case.
It is 100%.
I'm so careful.
Well, what environment are you talking about?
What environment?
Just broadly speaking in conversation.
But where?
In the workplace or in public?
In the workplace.
You know what?
Big dick energy might actually fucking slide in the workplace.
Oh, yeah, right.
Bro, I mean, it might be a lot of fun.
I mean, in your line of work, I mean, look at, you know.
Well, I'm not in the corporate environment, but that's what I'm saying.
It will not.
Like, you know, yeah, well, sluts certainly wouldn't slide in.
Absolutely not.
No, they're very careful now.
It's becoming much more careful.
Because everything is sexual harassment.
The corporate environment, that's a totally different thing.
Okay, your thoughts on loose pussy energy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
I mean, like, I could get why guys would say that just because girls say this thing, but I still think that, like, it shouldn't be said.
It shouldn't be said.
Yeah.
Yeah, but maybe neither of them should be said.
I don't say them.
Yeah.
I don't say any of that.
Cheyenne.
I didn't even realize that those terms were wrong until you painted it that way.
So like, honestly, yeah, if somebody was throwing around loose pussy energy, that's a bit offensive.
But yeah, I don't, I wouldn't doubt that that's not been used before.
Like guys probably do throw that around somewhere.
And like maybe one day it'll become more common.
But like you're right.
Like thinking about it, I had never even realized like that is a body positivity type relation there.
And us women have been throwing it out.
I will admit my wrong there.
So me personally, like I don't care about the term so much, but I just would want there to be a consistency across the board because people are, there's like this very politically correct culture out there.
If you say anything offensive, they're going to cancel you.
So either all of it is cool or none of it is cool.
It can't be.
So I don't get like there's a lot of this talk about body positivity and oh, it's wrong to body shame.
And in the same breath, they'll talk about big dick energy, small dick energy.
So, but when it comes to big dick energy, like often when compliance, so it's often used like when complimenting good, strong men or men you agree with, they'll get big dick energy.
Whereas like if you're insulting weak men or someone you disagree with, or like you heard this all the time with probably being thrown, probably the number one recipient of small dick energy, Mr. Donald Trump.
Actually, probably the number one recipient of both big dick energy and small dick energy, depending on which side you're on.
But to me, it's like it's kind of toxic.
And like, what about guys who are average in the bulge or have small pens?
They're going to say, oh, I'm not adequate because I'm not packing.
And someone's penis size has no bearing on his quality or character as a man or who he is.
Or his ability to fuck.
Word?
What?
Word?
I mean, the thing is, is that penis size is randomly distributed.
So, some excellent men, fantastic, great men, have small penises, and some abhorrent men have large penises.
So, man's quality is not correlated to his genitalia.
Okay.
Okay.
Good talk.
I want to go over this.
So, what's your type?
I honestly don't have one.
I've been all over the board throwing darts random places.
No, no straight point.
I like people for who they are, and I don't have really a certain type.
I've been, I've had my share with different people.
Okay.
I don't specifically have a type, but I do have certain things that attract me to somebody.
One main thing is like someone that not everybody knows everything about them.
They're not very like public.
They're kind of somewhat secretive because I like knowing that I get to like unfold all their layers, basically.
And also, someone, I was talking to Cheyenne about this, that's like a little in touch with their femininity and that isn't afraid to do feminine things.
Is your current quasi-semi sort of boyfriend?
Is he in touch with his femininity?
Yeah, that's what attracts me the most about him is that he's like, he's not afraid of like doing things or saying things that people might think, like take as like feminine in any way.
Like, he's not afraid of it.
Um, I, you might have to come back to me.
I'll, I'll think of some, but yeah.
Guys painting their nails.
Yeah, like, he wouldn't be afraid to do that or like wear certain things, like, wear certain clothes that, like, might be considered more feminine.
Like, he's very into fashion.
And so, he wears dresses like Harry Styles.
He doesn't wear dresses.
Would it be a turn off if a guy wore a dress?
No, if it looked good.
It wouldn't be a problem if your boyfriend wore a dress.
No, not if it looked good on him.
Not in public.
No, I wouldn't care.
Like, I'm 100% so serious.
If it looked good and he, like, put together an outfit and there was an artistic.
Pink dress.
If there was an artistic meaning behind it and it, like, went, it was pulled together in some way, it might attract me.
Would you be unattracted to a girl if she just put on like a suit?
No.
I think that's kind of the same thing.
I like to dress super feminine or super masculine, and I like how, like, the guy that I'm...
You dress super masculine.
I do.
I do sometimes.
Okay.
Yeah, I like wear like baggy pants and like graphic t-shirts or like things.
I wear his clothes.
Like I literally go grab his clothes that people see as like masculine and I'll wear them and it's it's all about the person that's that's wearing them.
It attracts me.
I don't know.
I mean I just want to go around really quick.
So would you date a guy with a dress who wore a dress?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Come on.
Brazil, come on.
Okay, like Brazil.
You know what I'm thinking about?
Be the voice of reason.
Let me tell you.
You know what I'm thinking about right now?
Harry Styles.
Like he's so hot and he wears a dress.
He has stat.
He has such status, though.
That's why he's such a heartthrob.
It's because he's feminine.
And I still think it's kind of...
It's kind of...
That's why people love him.
That's what it is.
There's probably a lot of girls.
You probably have the wrong group of girls sitting at this table right now to be telling you the answer that you want to hear.
But like, I don't think that I would care because Harry Styles is like my idol.
And I think that guys are way.
I know we should not be using Harry Styles because he's honestly not human.
He's not even on a huge level than human beings.
Saw a normal guy in IV wearing a dress that I didn't know.
I probably wouldn't look at him and be like, he's hot, I want him.
Yeah.
Well, okay, but you're using, if you're using the Harry Styles thing, but if you were so much social status, that's what I'm saying.
But like, if I were already with a guy and he decided to wear a dress and like I knew him, I probably would be like, okay, yeah, that's more along the way.
Yeah, like I'm gonna relate this, yeah.
Yeah, that's more along the lines of what I'm trying to get at.
So like realistically, though, if I saw a normal dude in a dress, I wouldn't be like, that's fruity, that's wrong.
Maybe, depends on him.
Like, depends on the energy.
Christina, dressman.
Would you date a dressman?
Absolutely, yeah.
It doesn't bother me.
I mean, not if he was like, if he was, because I like really masculine men.
I just, and I don't like high maintenance.
I'm not too into the metrosexual, just like clean.
And I just, I think it's sexy if they feel comfortable with their sexuality regardless of what they're wearing.
That's what's sexy.
So it's not that I would go for someone because he's in a dress.
It's just the way that he carries himself, period.
No matter what he's wearing.
I really don't give a shit what he's wearing, honestly.
Wait, so Brazil, coming back to you.
Yeah.
What?
About the dress?
You would date.
Okay.
A guy with a dress.
Okay.
If I see like a guy wearing a dress, I wouldn't be like, whoa, like, well, he caught my attention.
No, I would just like leave my life.
But if like I knew the person and like we're close or like, I don't know, he wants to like try a dress.
I just feel like it's hard to find someone like that.
But if he wants to go around using a dress, yeah.
But like, the first impression, like, I don't know.
I don't think I will be like attracted, yeah, attracted to that, you know?
But if like, if I know the person, are you sure?
Yeah.
Why?
What's wrong with the dress?
What's wrong with the dress?
He's hypnotizing you.
Where'd you get this music?
Okay.
But can I just say this?
The guy that's wearing the dress is going to get a lot more women than the guy that's criticizing the guy wearing the dress.
Yes, yes.
That's all.
That's all.
Like, we don't care about the dress.
We just care about the fact that he can express it like that.
His confidence.
He's so attractive.
That's all that matters.
That's what I love about.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's the fact that he's not thinking, oh my god, people are going to.
Let's forget the dress shit.
I've derailed the conversation.
Maybe you should try it.
What's your type?
What's your type?
My type.
Okay.
So, like, when people ask me that, like, I'll say something, but I will be like attracted to something different.
But, like, I don't think I actually have a type, to be honest.
Like, there are some people that are like, whoa, he's pretty.
Like, oh, okay.
But, like, probably, like, tall, that's, like, a good thing.
Tall.
I like eyes and smile.
That's all that matters for me.
Eyes and smile.
If you have a pretty smile, like, cool eyes, yeah, that's awesome.
That's my type.
I would say definitely funny.
And then aside from that, I tend to go for like taller guys as well.
How tall are you?
I'm 5'5.
So, what's bare minimum height for a guy?
Probably.
I mean, my last boyfriend was 5'9, but I think if I'm like searching, if I'm putting my type on paper, I would like them to be taller, like six foot up, you know?
Okay.
That's not a breaking.
That's not a like breaking point for me.
It's just a preference.
For you, how tall are you?
I'm okay.
I'm not sure if I'm 5'8 or 5'9.
And how tall?
Bare minimum for a guy.
Bare minimum height.
Okay.
Okay.
I don't use feet, so centimeters.
We have very smart people in the chat that will convert for us.
Okay, I would just say feet is fine.
Like 6'1?
Okay.
I think it's fine.
Sure.
Starting there is good.
Sorry, Stephen Krug.
Okay.
Christina?
I think the eyes thing is really important.
The whole windows to your soul.
So yeah, that's important.
The voice is really important to me.
Voice important.
Okay.
Yeah.
And we already spoke about the height thing.
And then just the way that they are.
I really love calmness.
I need that in my life.
So, yeah.
Josh.
Super chill.
Your type?
She's pretty.
That's it.
Pretty.
But what's pretty for you?
Like, like physically.
Like stacked?
Do you want a girl who's stacked?
Stacked?
Stacked?
Like, it has big boobs.
Well, my, well, probably, yeah.
Like petite women, tall women.
Just he likes hot chicks.
Yeah, just that's pretty much.
Okay.
Nice.
All right.
I'll tell you guys my type.
And I have a list here.
Oh, okay.
Because I want to hit every single point.
I want to be very thorough in case she's watching.
In case she's watching.
So, I mean, I like and have dated women of all races.
I definitely would say I prefer petite, short women.
If her height doesn't start with four, she ain't the one.
Whoa.
That's kind of a joke.
Oh, okay.
But actually, I'll date women up to like 5'2.
Just kidding.
I'll date a tall woman.
She can be 6'5 ⁇ .
I don't care.
I mean women aren't shy about their high preferences so I have a high preference but it's not like I'll date a tall woman What's that?
What's your height preference?
The shorter, the better.
So, like, technically a midget.
If she's a midget, that's cool.
If she's a dwarf, no, but like 4, 4, 11, 410, I fuck with it.
Don't really care about boobs.
Smaller, hot, bigger, hot.
I could care less.
Very low on the toe than Podo.
Nice ass is good, I guess.
Let's see.
Large labia.
That's very important.
What?
A woman with a large labia.
Hold on, I got something for this.
All labia matter.
Audis.
That's my nonprofit organization, the American Network Against Labia Placed D, or Anal for short.
This is for real.
What?
Do you have a lot of members?
Right now it's just me and Eric.
But we're reasoning.
We're working on it.
No, I genuinely, I know I'm like being, we're having fun, we're joking around a bit, but I do actually like women with large labia.
That is funny.
I mean, it's just, I would, most of us have never heard a man.
I like women with Audis.
I like women with women have penis preferences.
I've got a labia preference.
Well, why?
Tell us why.
And by the way, I do want to say, like, I know we're having fun.
It is unfortunate.
Josh, take this.
This is very serious, Josh.
Josh, take this seriously.
Women get shamed for their labia.
Like, if a woman has a large labia, they get shamed.
Wizard sleeve, beef curtains.
Oh, my God.
RBs.
RBs.
What are RBs?
It bothers me.
And that's why I started my nonprofit organization.
Because some women are so shamed for it.
I'm a true feminist, as you guys can tell.
I'm a feminist, you know.
Women get so badly shamed if they have a large labia that they elect to have a surgery to, it's called a labia placey.
There's 10,000 of them a year in the United States.
And I'm fighting back against the misogynist, I don't know, whatever.
But yeah, so that's a good move for that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
No, but yeah, so I'm a champion of women, if you guys can't tell.
I'm awareness.
It's unfortunate that women are shamed for it.
Seriously.
And men shouldn't be shamed for their penis, too, right?
But okay, so large labia, Audis, the bigger the better.
It's not a deal breaker, like if she doesn't, but if she does, what's up?
Hit me up.
Is that like some sort of fetish?
Is it a fetish?
Yeah, I'm just curious.
I mean, I suppose it is.
I mean, as far as the technical term of what a fetish is.
I don't know.
It just sounds like you're really passionate about it and like you really care for the fish.
I do have a nonprofit organization.
Where can we find that information?
We're working on the website.
I'm trying to get anal.org.
Nice.
The American Network Against Labia Plasty.
Yeah.
So, guys.
How dare you in the chat use these terms?
Okay, so minimal or no makeup.
No plastic surgery.
Like, not a fan of plastic surgery.
Personality-wise.
By the way, I want you guys to come in if you object to any of these.
How can we object to your type?
I mean, you might be like, Brian, that's kind of weird.
Like, with the large labia thing like that.
I mean, that was a little weird, but you like what you like.
You have your favorite.
I mean, women have it.
Did we go big penis?
Did you all talk about that?
Big dick energy?
Well, no, but do you guys have a preference for like obviously size matters to some degree?
We haven't talked about that, but you can finish it.
Okay, whatever.
It doesn't matter.
Let's see.
I like women who have a calming presence.
So mellow, speak softly.
I think I'm fairly soft-spoken, so I want a bit of reciprocity there.
I want someone who brings me peace, isn't going to nag, quarrel, or otherwise bring me a headache.
Demure.
That's a good word.
Demure.
And.
Okay.
Yeah, like typically I prefer more introverted women.
Like nerdy chicks are cool.
They study STEM.
That's cool.
Shy is good.
Oh, this is a big one.
Women who don't party and don't go to bars clubs.
I won't commit to a woman that's partying or going to bars and clubs.
I want you guys to come in on that one, though.
What do you think about?
If a guy had a preference, he's like, hey, I don't want a girl who goes to bars and clubs.
What do you think about that?
Are we going around the circle?
Or are we just going to be able to do that?
Yeah, we'll go.
You know what?
Why don't we start with Christina?
Well, I just think that it depends on, again, like what your line of work is, right?
Like, if you're going to be dating someone that's a bartender, they're going to be in nightclubs all the time.
So you wouldn't date people who work in the industry then.
Because they have to go for their job.
So the thing is, there's either the trust or there's not in that respect.
I would date people that are, because my line, what I want to do, it's like, of course, everybody's out.
That's how you network, you know.
Me as a personal preference, I don't really care just as long as they're loyal.
I think that's like such a personal preference type thing because like, actually I don't know, I feel like a majority of guys would want a girl that's not out at the bars and clubs and stuff, but a lot of girls want to be out at the bars and clubs and I don't think that it should be a bad thing if a girl does want to go out and have that kind of fun.
Because I did like see how you guys talked about that a little bit on your last episode and how it's like got such a bad idea behind it and that whole like scenario that you painted out.
It kind of did like put things in perspective, like how threatening that is for men to know that their like pretty girlfriend is out and getting all of these invitations and like way more than the normal guy would.
That's intimidating for sure.
But I would still want to know that my partner trusts me and knows that I'm not going to be doing that behind their back if we are together.
So like, or I would want him there with me, like why aren't you there with me?
Why are you staying at home and being boring?
Come on, we can dance together, you know?
Yeah, I feel like I don't care, like I don't care like at all, like it's your type, like it's their type.
I don't care, I'm just like.
I feel like if you're with me and you like me, you just need to like agree with, like who I am, and if I like to go party then, and if you don't like that well like, there's nothing I can do.
It's not gonna work.
Let me reframe the question.
So let's say you're dating a guy, you're really interested in him and you you're like, hey, I want to be in a relationship with you.
And he says we can be monogamous, but if we're gonna be in a relationship, I don't want you to go to bars and clubs anymore.
I just would you say yes or sorry, I'm gonna do my own thing.
Um, I would talk, I would be like why, what's wrong with that?
You know.
And I'll be like why you don't want me to go there.
There's, there must be a reason.
And like I can, like we can just talk and like, if you don't trust me like, why are we dating?
We want to start dating if you don't even trust me right now, you know.
But I'll probably be like, like I want to go have fun with my friends like, why not?
You're not gonna stop me.
You know, if you get to love me for who I am I don't know if I like to go out then you should come with me.
That's what I'm saying.
I totally agree with that.
I personally have never been a party person and in my last relationship, like before my current one, the boyfriend that I had was like a partier and it caused a lot of problems, not because I didn't trust him, but because he made me lose trust in him.
So I trusted him until I couldn't, and so in my next relationship it was very important to me that I was with somebody who shared the same ideals as me and that partying wasn't important to them.
So that was just a standard I set for myself, I guess.
But I feel like if you're in a relationship with someone, trust them until you're given a reason not to, and then cut it off or communicate how you feel, and if they don't want to if, if they don't want to like respect That, then they're not the person for you.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
So I don't party or anything.
Kind of going off what she said, I feel like to be in a relationship, you have to have similar ideals and morals.
And if you don't align on that same page and you don't want to compromise for each other in some way and understand each other and respect each other in some way, then you just shouldn't be together.
Yeah.
Okay.
And you, so you brought up my dream world hypothetical scenario.
I could pose that to the rest of the panel here.
If you guys are interested in sort of getting a sense of why, me personally, I would have an issue with it and why I think a lot of men would or should have an issue with it.
If you're interested in hearing that out.
But just before I do that, I just want to wrap up kind of my thing.
Obviously, just for what I'm looking for, my type women who value family.
That's super important to me.
I'm super close with my parents.
My parents are still together.
So just my parents are pretty much the most important thing to me.
So just women who value family, women who value men.
There's a lot of man-haters out there.
Low body count is good.
And doesn't believe in astrology.
Whoa.
Why?
Well, let's go around the table really quick.
Who here believes in astrology?
I mean, to a certain degree, because I believe that everyone has certain aspects about themselves that they could categorize themselves as, but I do believe that there is some truth in the stars in the universe.
What?
Wait.
Okay, sorry, go ahead.
That.
Exactly.
That.
Yeah.
Same answer.
So, you okay, believe in astrology, believe in astrology?
I don't know if believe is the right word, but I feel like it's cool, like, learn about it, but I don't know if I actually believe.
But I think there's a lot of things in common.
I don't know.
I just yes, I do believe in astrology.
Rip.
Our chances.
Just kidding.
But I don't know.
Like the fact that we have to admit our beliefs about astrology on this podcast right now is not fair because so many guys just think it's bullshit and it's like us girls just want to judge guys based off of that.
Just let us have that little bit of fun.
Let us have it.
Honestly, I don't know enough about it to believe in it, but I do enjoy it.
I find it fun.
Kiki, what do you Kiki?
Your thoughts?
Astrology?
Okay.
All right.
She's a believer.
Very insightful there, Kiki.
Okay, so I don't know if I want to go into the bar club thing.
No, let's not.
We're going to wrap up here pretty soon, guys, by the way.
I guess.
Oh, last thing.
Or maybe seconds of last thing here.
Okay, so has a guy with a blue check mark ever slid into your DMs?
No.
Oh.
Yeah, but I deleted it.
Because you're in a relationship, she's never interchanged.
Yeah, but like most of them are just like fake.
Like they don't.
Just like how to say it, like I know that it's like superficial.
Not serious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know the right word, but how about this?
Answer it in Portuguese.
Ta inte te vis siña guns mais muintos de ls debasqui el sad so comprado de si pues litrami es compronso se que too es más.
In fact, there are some yes.
This is my answer.
I hope someone understands what I'm talking about now.
Please, if you understand, say yes in the chat.
Good answer.
Of course, yeah, totally.
Totally, yeah.
totally agree um no yeah going off of what she just said i agree with that um yeah that was funny not gonna lie What was the question?
Has a guy with a blue check mark ever slid into your DMs?
Yes.
More than once?
Has there been multiple blue check marks in the DMs?
I would say at least two that I can think of.
Did you hook up?
Did you meet up with them?
One of them, yes.
Did you guys date?
No.
Okay.
Was he an athlete, musician?
Athlete.
NFL?
No.
NBA?
No, not big.
La Crosse?
D1.
La Crosse?
Basketball.
Oh, basketball.
Okay.
Christina, any blue check marks in the DMs?
Yeah, but no one I'm interest I was interested in, I guess.
Okay.
Oh, here's a good one.
Have you ever been flown out by a guy or offered to be flown out by a guy?
No, I don't believe so.
You don't believe so?
Yeah, I'm trying to like remember, but you were on seeking arrangements.
Yeah.
Oh, oh, well, yeah, then yeah.
That counts, yeah.
Sure.
Yeah, my relationship.
Yeah.
Okay.
I meant more so like a guy that there was no real prior.
My Portuguese barrier is not helping me right now.
What is that?
Has a guy ever offered to fly you?
Maybe you match, he's in LA, maybe he's in Miami.
Oh, fly me.
He offered to fly you, yes.
Oh, no.
I guess train.
But if you want to accept it, like, please.
Not please, but she wants to go to Miami, guys.
If there's any of you guys in Miami, she will fly.
We can go together.
Can we?
Like, can I buy for you?
You buy for me?
Yeah.
I've gotten offers, but way too scared to go to another state.
I've never been on a plane, actually.
Really?
That's kind of hard.
I hate playing.
So maybe one day.
Okay, Christina.
So the question is: if I've been asked to what?
Sorry?
To be flown out.
Yeah, I have plenty of times.
I just never did it because there's always expectations.
Okay.
Yeah.
Good times.
Good times.
Sorry, I forgot for a second.
Yo, I've been working since five in the morning.
Give me a break, all right?
Yeah.
Grandma's tie red.
So I want to leave it up to the chat here what we're going to do for our final thing.
Chat.
We can either react to an Andrew Tate video because I'm sure they'd love to watch that.
Or I can give them the dream world.
I'm not going away yet.
The dream world scenario as to why men don't like women going, don't like their girlfriend going to bars and clubs.
Tate, Tate.
Okay.
It's looking like a lot of Tate.
Tate is more interested, more interesting.
They did hear it the last episode.
Okay, Eric, we're going to pull up a little Tate clip to yeah, you can hide that.
And then why don't we do too submissive?
So you stay watching his videos, huh?
And also, do I worry?
If I am too submissive, will he not respect me?
No, get rid of that.
Get rid of that.
Get rid of that stupidity.
That won't respect me, crap.
That's not real.
Is that real?
Really?
You know what?
So many women say to me, you're so, Andrew, you know what?
You're so rich, but you're smart and you're actually very intelligent.
And I know you'd get really bored of a robot.
And I'm sitting there thinking, bitch, I wish to God you were a robot.
You better shut the fuck up.
We talk about star signs.
Oh, yeah, I'm so glad.
Tell me more about Sagittarius Rising.
Idiot.
I don't give a fuck.
Give me a robot.
All men want robots.
That's all we want.
Four wives, robots, inshallah.
Put the burke on.
Yep.
What are you talking about?
We don't care.
Two coffees.
That's it.
It's nice and easy.
There's no such thing as too submissive.
There's no such thing.
I'm never going to look at a beautiful woman who does everything I say and go, you know what?
You do too much of what I say.
I want to go get some disagreeable baby.
Yes.
That's awesome.
Okay, your reaction to that video, Eliza.
That video?
I mean, that video and specifically, like, I don't really have that much of a reaction.
He said what he said.
He feels what he says.
And I agree with him in the sense that, of course, why would I not want something more of what I want?
If I want, let's say I'm him, I want a girl to be super submissive.
Why would I like that's what you're looking for?
That's what he's looking for.
That's what he can go for.
I go for what I want for, you know?
Oh, yeah.
And the stars are true.
That was a pretty based answer, though.
You're a legend.
Okay, go ahead.
I really don't like that he pushes his ideals as they're facts and like he insults people in the process.
I can't respect anything that comes out of his mouth because he does that.
And also, what accent does he have?
I heard like so many random like accents in there.
He's pretty.
He was born in the US and then he moved to the UK.
So his accent has been colored by his many travels, I guess you could say.
That happens to me too because of that.
It's a thing.
You start to mimic other people's accents.
You don't even have an accent anymore.
But then if you hang out with a certain amount of people with the same accent, then you catch it.
It's weird.
It's interesting.
It's weird.
Your reaction to the video.
I mean, he can say whatever he wants.
He thinks whatever he thinks.
There's nothing we can do.
But I wouldn't do that.
Like, I wouldn't, like, what?
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
No, I just, if I need to say something, I would do it in a better way because I thought it was really how to say it to the point.
Yeah, kind of aggressive, yeah.
Like, calm down.
Yeah.
Cheyenne.
I, uh, I can't with him.
Like, it just is so stupid to me that he can talk about women so objectifyingly and like is, I don't know, it just makes me feel like, wow, I really have no hope because there's so many people that follow him too and think, like, yeah, this guy, this guy's onto something.
And so it's a little depressing.
But I don't know.
Just let us have astrology, please.
You guys have cars and shoes and like everything else.
Can we please just have astrology?
Just give them astrology, guys.
Come on.
Let them have astrology.
Christina, your reaction to the video.
I just thought it was funny that he said he just wants a robot.
It's just such a classic dude thing to say.
Yeah.
He's funny, though.
Whatever.
Probably for the shock value.
That's a fairly good assessment of the situation, Josh.
Your reaction to the video.
So what was the thing about the robot he wanted?
He was like, I think something in the video they were saying, well, Tate, you know, Andrew, you're such an interesting guy.
I wouldn't.
Don't you want a woman that will challenge you?
And he was like, fuck no.
Give me a robot.
Or no, she was asking, can women be too submissive?
Because she was saying, I worry that if I'm too submissive, then my partner will either take advantage of me or won't take me serious.
And he was like, no, no, no, get rid of that.
the more submissive the better is what he's saying um i don't think i don't think like the submissive part matters right like Like, that means like that means like she's like kind of innocent, right?
She does what you say.
What you would like her to do.
She lets you lead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, so I guess some of that's fine, but I mean, that's not something really I think about.
But the thing I did want to get to was the astrology thing.
So I think it's cap because like I everywhere like I see the I see like the same shit.
I'm like on every like I get that because it's like like a Taurus you're like whatever blah blah I don't know like all the things about it like I'm at all but it's like you're this and this and this but then like maybe this other sign is also this and this and this.
So I think there's a lot of like gray area but I think that in the past like before science was a thing that's what people used to like describe the world.
Okay yeah because nowadays when I see it it's like a Taurus likes black and the Capricorn likes black and Aquarius likes black like it's not it just sounds like the same.
Yeah there's a lot of overlapping.
This is my take on astrology.
You see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've done Christopher Hitchens.
What?
Okay related to the Tate video Actually Eric can you just hide that really quick in the super chat?
We'll get to the super chats here really soon.
We're going to wrap up very soon.
We're going to do final thoughts.
We're going to do super chats and then we'll wrap up.
Get your last super chats in really quick if you want to.
Going back to Tate, would you date Andrew Tate?
Sorry.
Christina, you start.
Who is Andrew Tate?
I'm bad with names.
I'm bad with names.
Show me.
He was the one just in the videos.
The guy in the video.
Oh, okay.
Would you date?
I don't know.
I'd have to get to know him.
Your public face is way different than your private face.
Come on.
Respectfully, no.
You're not feeling the Tate train?
Not my type.
The top G?
Not for me.
He's rich.
He's tall.
Don't care.
Okay.
Would you date Andrew Tate?
Let me think.
No.
Okay.
Did not take much thought on that one.
Yeah.
Disrespectfully, no.
Disrespectfully no.
He should get a dog and a maid.
Yeah.
And he'll be happy.
Okay.
I think I have better options out there, so I'm going to go with no.
Okay.
Even though he's got a lot going for him, I can go in a different direction.
What's the woman version of Andrew Tate?
Do we know?
I don't think there is one.
The woman version?
Lena Dunham, maybe?
What about Amy Schumer?
Is that her name?
Amy Schumer.
Is the female version of her like that?
Tate is on another level.
Yeah, Tate's taking over the world.
He's on another level.
Anyways, you know what?
Because we talked a bit about body count, and I feel like, you know what?
I did not adequately articulate why men care about body count.
Why don't we do this?
We'll just have to watch one more Andrew Tate video because he explains it much better than me.
We'll do an Andrew Tate video.
We'll open up to you guys for the final thought or question.
Eric, can you go ahead and pull up the body count video by Mr. Andrew Tate?
You know what's so attractive about younger women?
Because a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.
I don't actually think it's that.
I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right?
You'd meet a woman, you get married, you'd be together, whatever.
In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's been through her before me is just simply unattractive.
I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.
How many men have fucked?
If I got a 19-year-old girl, I might be her second or third man, right?
I'm going to be dude number fucking 29.
And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through, you're going to try and bring to my door?
Like, well, my last man cheat.
I don't give a fuck.
Like, I don't care.
Like, why is that my problem?
So, if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.
They've had more fucking rides, more spins.
I don't want that shit.
When I see a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count.
And also, no, but no, but the truth is, women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.
If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall.
She is unattractive, too.
And it's unattractive.
But if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, is she really going to think, you know what, this guy's so, so, so special?
Or is she going to think, you know what?
He talked to me, Rudolph, go get a new guy.
Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's much more likely to fall in love with you, be a better partner.
The likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and really believing you're the only man for her, after being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through, is far less likely than meeting a nice young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes.
You know what?
This is the guy.
I like him.
Every woman who knows this and every man who watches this can be honest.
Women fall in love with a person who loses their virginity too, or their second or third guy.
They really remember them.
They really love them.
Anyone who's slept with 50 dudes she doesn't even remember who most of them are.
She doesn't care if a woman slept with a bunch of men before you.
She's less likely to stick it out through a difficult period in a relationship.
She's more likely to just say, you know what new answer is?
New dick.
It's a pretty good answer and that's the truth.
Let me make something clear.
If I meet a beautiful 30 year old woman, i'm not saying I won't sleep with her.
That's pretty fucking old.
Yeah, 30.
I know what are you crazy?
I there's been times I was drunk.
I gotta say the first thing, because this is so ageous and because i'm not that age, I have to say something.
I think it's ridiculous sorry, just real quick that he is saying that because someone's younger, that means their body count is lower.
Not the case at all.
Absolutely not the case.
No, not even like.
I mean close, because i've known young chicks that fuck like bunny rabbits and i'm extremely conservative and have not fucked.
Not more conservative yes, I actually am.
I'm a very, i'm very much not, but i'm very conservative as well.
Do you mean politically or what like?
Not politically, just like in terms of like?
I'm a fucking prude, absolutely so, and i've talked to so many women that are much younger than me that give me all their stories and i'm just like, holy shit dude, good for you, but like well, the exception doesn't make the rule, but that's dude, like most whatever, it's all good.
Well, I just needed to say that, because the reason why I came on this show was because of the age is bullshit, you know, and it's it's.
It's like.
Age is just a fucking number.
It's how you experience life.
You can be really healthy at age 37 and be healthier than someone that's 20.
Vice versa, like it doesn't matter.
The same with like your sexual drive, the same with everything else in your life.
That's why I can't stand when people are also like, oh, you're dumb because you're younger.
I listen to people that are younger than me and older than me.
So I just had to say that because people are so narrow-minded when it comes to age and we all oxidate.
We are all dying every day.
Sure.
So I'll just respond to that.
So, I mean, you are right in that there are some 19-year-old women that are going to have a higher body count than the woman who's in her 30s or mid-30s.
But that 19-year-old woman, when she's 30 or 35 or 40, is going to have a higher body count then, obviously, than when she's at 19.
If they had the same exact life experience.
He talks about the same woman.
Oh, okay.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
So the same woman at 19, if she has 20 bodies, maybe by the time she's 30, she has 40 bodies.
Yeah.
But maybe she just has really long-term relationships after that.
You can't judge people based on their age, dude.
Well, I mean, you can make some assumptions, though.
I mean, you can assume, like, okay, what's the average age that people lose their virginity?
Let's say it's 18 or 19.
And honestly, it's probably getting lower at this point.
But let's say the average age someone loses their virginity is 18.
So sure, within a year, by the time they're 19, maybe they've racked up 20, 30 bodies.
But if you look at them at 30, they have an additional 12 years of being sexually active.
So it could be the case that she's only slept with a few guys, but if you've been sexually active for that long, the likelihood, I don't think he's arguing that it's, there's no women who are in their 30s that are that have a low body count.
And he probably would agree with you that there's a bunch of young women that have slept with a bunch of people.
I know a girl who's 19 who slept with 100 guys.
There you go.
She certainly haven't.
So I guess the one point I would say, though, is that I think with the younger generations, they're actually ever since kind of the advent of social media and like I mean people have been hooking up for a long time, but I would say starting around like I think people are really deprioritizing long-term relationships and hookup culture is much more prevalent than it used to be.
It was still a thing, but with dating apps, I think that's really expedited the hookups and casual sex.
So but yeah.
But I mean as far as the old thing, like I don't know if we want to talk about age too much, but.
No, go.
I'm not, I just get passionate when I speak.
I don't care.
Well, I mean, I would say that there's also a re there's a few reasons why men prefer younger women aside from just body count.
I mean, it's evolutionary biological.
Absolutely.
Baby making, sure.
I don't want to be a baby maker, never did, so I don't have that anxiety.
I'm with you.
I don't want that.
I don't think I want kids either.
But for a lot of men, if they do want to have family, if they do want to have kids, they absolutely have to take into consideration a woman's age.
If she's 35 or 40, the likelihood, I think we already talked about this, but I mean, the likelihood of her being able to get pregnant, the likelihood that she is going to have a miscarriage, birth defects, et cetera, increases over age.
And that by the time most women are 45, they just cannot have children.
Or it's very rare.
I mean, getting to 45, it's so rare.
But I do want to open it up.
Your reaction to the video we just watched on body count by Mr. Tate.
I mean, like, I do get the point being made.
I get it.
But, like, do you guys not think that those thoughts pass through our heads as well?
Like, we let it slide way more often because, like I said earlier, I feel like women have been conditioned to believe that's okay for men to do, but it's not okay for women to do.
Like, that's what we're taught from a very young age is like, if you are sleeping around, you're a slut.
But if, for, say, my brother was sleeping around, he's praised for it, you know?
And so I think because we've been like kind of conditioned to let that sort of thing go when we're looking for partners, but men haven't, you guys get to hold us to the standard of you need to be pure, you can't be sleeping around with other men.
But it's like we don't want a man that's been around either.
We don't want a man that's been with every girl.
We just settle for that because it's been like taught that that's normal in society.
Wait, but I thought a little bit earlier on in the conversation you said that body count shouldn't matter.
No, yeah, I did say that.
But you just, but just now you just said that you don't want that either in a guy.
I was saying hypothetically more so because me personally, I really don't care.
But like if I'm speaking as generally for women, women should be allowed to care about that sort of thing too.
So it's like, I mean, I don't think that anyone should care that much really at the end of the day.
But for Andrew Tate to go on here and say something like that, like my counter to it, I guess, is like, why can't women feel that same way?
Or like we can, but why don't we feel that same way, I should say.
Sure.
Yeah, I don't have a lot to say.
Like I agree with her.
Like I feel like women and men sometimes, most a lot of times, like they have like they are treated differently about like everything almost.
But yeah, I just agree with everything.
Yeah, I um the conversation in general, I totally agree with Cheyenne on that.
Another thing that I've I've seen some of the stuff Andrew Tate says and he he talks about how like it's okay for men to cheat.
It's okay for him to sleep with as many girls as he wants to sleep with.
Like it doesn't matter for men.
So that's where the double standard comes in and that's why I can't respect anything that he says.
I'm gonna just go with fuck who you want and be happy at the end of the day.
That's my answer.
Yes.
I think that's the best answer.
Okay.
Josh, did you want to give a take on it or on the whole body count thing again?
Yeah, just the tape video.
You know what?
The way he, he's a little like forward, but like, I feel like for every guy, just about every guy, I feel like they think, well, they think that Andrew Tate is speaking facts on just, but he just has it like super like aggressive.
Like it's almost like the hard truth, but like a super hard truth.
Okay, so final thoughts or question for the panel?
Want to open it up to you guys.
If you guys have a question for someone else on the panel, have a question for me, or just a final thought.
I don't think I have any questions.
I think it's pretty close case for me.
Okay, cool, cool.
What do you think about Andrew Tate in general?
Like, what are your opinions outside of being the host of this and creating conversation?
What do you think?
So it's a good question.
Well, first off, I don't agree with everything that Andrew Tate says.
There are definitely some things I do agree with him on.
First, I think he is sort of intentionally being controversial because that got him attention.
Unfortunately, well, it got him too much attention and then he got canceled and then all his shit got deleted by all the social media platforms.
I think that was unjustified because there's a lot of false narratives going on with him.
He certainly had some very controversial takes on certain stuff and he probably slipped a few times when he was talking and definitely said some.
I don't think we should cancel anyone.
I think if you disagree with someone, you should be able to be able to voice why you disagree with them.
But I think silencing someone, I mean by cutting out someone, I think this is a George R.R. Martin quote.
I mean, by silencing somebody, you are basically, you're not proving them wrong.
You're just saying that you're scared what they have to say.
And if there is something that someone is saying that is wrong, the best disinfectant is sunlight.
So let it be seen and let people, other people come in and try to debunk it.
But as far as I think he's very funny.
I think he's a very funny guy.
I think he's a very smart guy.
I don't agree with him on everything.
There are definitely quite a few things I agree with him on.
But yeah, overall, I like Tate.
It's unfortunate that he got banned.
So, yeah.
Okay.
Go ahead.
No, I'm good with questions.
Okay, Cheyenne.
Final thought or question for one of the girls, for the panel, for me?
What's your zodiac sign?
Taurus.
I'm a Taurus.
No shit.
Tauruses.
So what does that mean?
That we're both Tauruses.
Could mean whatever you want to do.
Romantically, what does that mean?
Romantically?
I don't know if we would be that compatible.
What is it?
Horns.
Yeah.
I'll chime in.
I'm a Taurus.
I dated a Taurus.
I don't recommend it.
Why is that?
Didn't end up well.
I feel like dating your sign always is.
Yeah.
We want that to be.
It's unfortunate.
Yeah.
It's unfortunate.
You're too tall for me.
I am.
Christina.
Final thought or question for the panel?
I don't have any questions, but I do want to say you should check me out of original music.
It's Night Rain.
R-E-I-G-N.
Not like Rain R-A-I-N.
But you can look it up on any of your favorite streaming platforms.
And yeah, I leave you with that thought.
I hope everyone does what they love and continues to do that.
That's what matters most.
Cool, cool.
Yeah, by the way, guys, all the girls' Instagrams are in the description.
Show them some love.
They were awesome.
Really great panel.
I want to thank you guys for coming, obviously.
Yeah, their Instagrams are in the description.
Show them some love.
Give them a follow.
So I'm going to do super chats really quick here.
John Deke with the $5 Super Chat is the guy sitting next to Brian, Hitman from Brooklyn, hiding out in Santa Barbara.
John Deke, $10 Super Chat.
Josh, when you are texting under the table, are you texting other Josh in the multiverse to check if Brian likes large labias in that universe too?
Is that what you were...
I think Josh didn't have his cell phone.
It was just a...
He was just fiddling with tissue.
But I think across all universes, it's a preference.
Okay.
Devon Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
Why should we be dating if you don't trust me?
In response to Brian simply saying he wouldn't want to be in that position in the first place and they don't see the irony.
Yep.
I mean, it's just to wrap up on the whole, like, I wouldn't want to date a girl that like goes to bars and clubs and stuff.
It would not ever be about me controlling a woman.
Like, I wouldn't control her.
You're totally free to do whatever you want.
Just, you're free to go to the club, and I'm free to not be in a relationship with you.
So that's kind of my take on it.
And I'm not like suit, like, if a girl has a birthday party, but if she's, because I don't really drink, occasionally I'll have a drink, like a beer or a glass of wine, whatever.
Super rare, though.
I don't, I don't know.
The last time I drank, I think I had a white claw before one of the shows.
I don't know.
But like a couple a month ago or something.
But it's just a similarity thing.
Like I'd want a girl that's similar to me in that sense, that doesn't drink, doesn't go to bars, doesn't go to bars, clubs, et cetera.
So it would never be like, oh, you can't do that.
Like I'd probably just break up with her.
Devon Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
It's basically saying, I can judge you off the stars, but you can't judge me off the decisions I make.
I mean, word?
Word?
I mean, I don't know if anyone was judging you, but yeah.
Hey, Devon Jackson, thank you for the super chats, man.
Good to see you back.
By the way, Devon, is that a chart?
Like, is that a football emblem, or is that for Dos Pueblos chargers?
I don't know.
But I don't know if you're a Santa Barbara Galila local, but good to see you in the chat as always.
Shooter with the $10 Soup Chat.
Nice job on the podcast, Brian.
Forgot this channel is a thing, to be honest, but I've tuned into a number of episodes of the cast.
Question, constructive criticism for you.
You seem to have very similar talking points on every show.
How do you envision the podcast evolving without the same talking points getting stale?
I wish you luck, P.S. Speaking of type, I would marry the girl in the red right now.
Thank you.
I think that's a marriage proposal.
Oh, I don't get a lot of these, you know.
Heard.
DMs are open.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
So to answer your question, I mean, it happens to be the case then when it comes to dating, a lot of the same topics do come up.
I tried to change it up a little bit, but yeah, I mean, you're definitely right.
Body count comes up a lot.
Age comes up a decent amount.
Yeah, I mean, it's new to me hosting.
I definitely would like to try to cover more bases, but yeah, I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
It's just tough.
Also, a lot of time I don't have as much time to prepare for the show as I'd like to.
So I've just been super busy.
So I would like to try to brainstorm a few different ways.
Also, I think bringing on a co-host would be helpful.
But maybe Chase?
Maybe Chase, he was feeling a little under the weather this week, though.
So we'll see.
Thank you for the super chats, man.
Much appreciated.
Devon Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
I knew they were going to make this terrible argument.
If you refer to the younger girls that bang a lot, what do you think their count is going to be like when they are older?
Okay, so I think that was in response to what Christina was saying about how, well, there's younger women that have a high body count.
My point is that that changes.
Like, not everyone stays the same all the time.
This is why people have issues in relationships, long-term relationships, too.
Just because you fucked a lot when you were younger doesn't necessarily mean you're going to fuck later.
And sometimes you don't fuck any when you're younger.
And then you go through about.
People go through all kinds of different stages in their lives.
It's very ignorant to base that on age.
Okay.
Devon Jackson, there's your answer.
Thank you for the super chat, man.
Yo, Brandon, what's up?
Salad City Rebel, $10 Super Chat.
This is Brandon.
He's been on a couple shows.
Best statement by a girl on the show so far.
That's actually, I think, in response to you, Christina.
So just a number.
I want her on the show, my next appearance, Brian.
So Brandon is an example of a guy who I don't think he really cares about body count too much in a woman.
So he agrees with you on that one.
Sharky with the $5 Super Chat.
hold on just just so i'm consistent i gotta sorry guys ten dollars and up um Nose Ring Girl Universe told me we were compatible.
Mike Davis with the $10 Super Chat.
Final comment, Kings, don't wear dresses.
You'll get the cops called 99% and repulse kids.
That Larry Styles has heavy clout where it's counterculture, cool, edgy, won't work for you.
Yeah, I mean, he's an artist, too.
So I feel like artists get a little slack in terms of how they present themselves.
I mean, if you look at people like, I mean, a lot of musicians, they wear makeup.
You look at prints, like very feminine type of guys.
Young thug has so sexy.
What's that?
Young thug has worn a dress.
Young thug.
Yeah.
I'm not.
Wait, who uh who's that?
He's a rapper.
Who the fuck is that guy?
I don't really listen to much rap.
I mean, like Kanye from old Kanye and some 90s.
The people will know.
The people will know.
Doug's up there.
Sharky.
Well, okay.
Sorry, we got a thing passing here.
And we got Devon Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
It's even more ignorant to base your logic off of the minority of the population instead of the average person.
So yeah, I mean, basically, I think that goes back to our conversation about age and body count stuff.
The exception does not make the rule, you know?
So there's certainly exceptions, but overall, like if you've been sexually active for 12 years, you're more likely than not your body count is going to be higher than someone who's been sexually active for less time.
And did we miss a super chat, Eric?
I feel like.
Let me see.
No, we got it.
We got them all.
All right, guys.
That is the show.
Eric, if you can go ahead and zoom out the camera just for the outro here.
So yeah, guys, thank you so much for tuning in.
It was a really fun podcast.
Thank you so much for all the super chats.
You guys were fucking legends.
I want to thank the wonderful panel.
Sorry we went a bit late, guys.
It keeps happening, but you guys were fucking awesome.
Like, I really liked what all of you had to say.
I know we had a bit of debate and disagreement on stuff, but I think conversation is always really good.
And I thought you guys were super awesome and really cool and made for some really great points.
So I want to thank you guys for coming on.
Would love to have you guys back on a future show.
Thank you to the viewers for watching.
We will be live again with our next Dating Talk podcast Tuesday.