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July 14, 2025 - Viva & Barnes
01:35:03
Trump Satisfied with Answers on Butler? Epstein Saga Continues! Douglass Mackey Special Guest!
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Was so much conversation after that, though.
You had members of Congress visiting the site there, people really on top of wanting to get answers to that.
But I think we still are wondering.
Yeah.
So they briefed me numerous times, the FBI, the Secret Service, sort of everybody.
DOJ, Pamela's doing a fantastic, I think she's doing a fantastic job.
But they briefed me, and I'm satisfied with it.
I'm satisfied with it.
They should have had somebody in the building.
That was a mistake.
They should have had communications with the local police.
They weren't tied in.
And they should have been tied in.
So there were mistakes made, and that shouldn't have happened.
And that building was a prime building in terms of what they were trying to do.
But I was satisfied in terms of the bigger plot, the larger plot.
I was satisfied.
And I have great confidence in these people.
I know the people.
And they're very talented, very capable.
They had a bad day.
And I think they'll admit that at the end of a rough day.
This is a very dangerous job being president.
I'm going to put that on pause, play that again in a second.
I want to show you all the commentary that was associated, not associated, but included with it.
And this is not to rail on Mike Tracy.
I happen to, Mike Tracy's a good guy, smart guy.
See, as far as former lefties or current lefties go, he's reasonably honest.
So this is not intended to be a les absent en tou jourteur, and I'm going to rail against Mike Tracy because he's not here.
Incidentally, I'd love to have him on.
We can talk about this.
Mike Tracy, in respect of this, says, Trump says he's satisfied with the explanations he's been given for the Butler assassination attempt, and there's no outstanding issues about a bigger plot.
Another example of conspiracist fever, fervor, being ginned up for GOP electoral advantage, only to be dispelled by Trump himself.
I want to play it again and just call on everybody's inherent intrinsic capabilities of analyzing both body language and speech.
And there's a few key words in here.
The amount of times Trump says satisfied.
And satisfied, what does that actually mean?
Let's play this one more time and I'm going to go bing every time.
There was so much conversation after that, though.
You had members of Congress visiting the site there, people really on top of wanting to get answers to that.
But I think we still are wondering.
Yeah.
So they briefed me numerous times.
The FBI, the Secret Service, sort of everybody.
DOJ, Pamela's doing a fantastic, I think she's doing a fantastic job.
Throw that in there.
But they briefed me, and I'm satisfied with it.
One.
I'm satisfied with it.
They should have had somebody in the building.
Okay.
I'm satisfied with it.
I'm satisfied with it.
They should have had someone on the building.
I don't know that we know who specifically determined the Pac-Man perimeter.
I'm going to try to get an answer to that as we do this live because I don't know it offhand.
I'm satisfied.
I'm satisfied.
And then I go into the litany of catastrophic, incompetent failures at best that occurred that day.
They should have had someone on that roof.
That was a mistake.
They should have had communications with the local police.
They weren't tied in.
They should have had someone on the roof.
They should have had communications with local police.
I'm satisfied, though, with the explanation I was given, because what the hell can I do about it now?
And they should have been tied in.
So there were mistakes made.
And that shouldn't have happened.
And that building was a prime building in terms of what they were trying to do.
He's not yet done highlighting the fact that that building should have been within the perimeter and had people on it.
And as I listened to Susan Crabtree on Vince this morning, it gets even worse.
When you ask someone a question that there's no way for Donald Trump to answer this question in more of a condemnation type answer than what he's giving right here.
Satisfied, satisfied.
They should have had someone on the roof.
They should have had communications with police.
They didn't have that either.
This was a prime point for someone to line up their sites on me.
But I'm satisfied with the explanation I'm giving because it's a year later and there's absolutely nothing that we can do about it right now now that we're in charge.
Save it except for maybe firing some people.
We'll get to that in a bit.
So, but I was satisfied in terms of the bigger plot, the larger plot.
Satisfied in terms of the larger plot doesn't dispel any conspiracy theory if we can be super critical and super analytical here.
10 days earlier, there were serious concerns of an actual threat from Iran with drones and or snipers.
He's satisfied about the bigger plot.
I want to play it again because it's kind of critical.
So, but I was satisfied in terms of the bigger plot, the larger plot?
Satisfied in terms of the larger plot doesn't mean that there was no larger plot that is itself a conspiracy, whether that be a deliberate conspiracy or a Lehop or Mihop conspiracy.
Let it happen on purpose, made it happen on purpose, conspiracy.
Leveled, layered, incompetence at best.
We'll get into it.
I was satisfied.
And, you know, I have great confidence in these people.
I know the people, and they're very talented, very capable.
They had a bad day, and I think they'll admit that at the end of a rough day.
They had a rough day is as much of a forgiving statement as any man with a heart could possibly issue, and Donald Trump is that man.
But I got to tell you, as far as Michael Tracy's confirmation that this somehow resolves any myths, dispels any conspiracy theories, got to listen to what he's actually saying.
And then maybe I'm projecting a little bit.
You got to see what he's actually saying, both with his words and his body.
That was as much of a polite condemnation as anybody could possibly give to the debacle of that day, of which we are now only learning the details.
Susan Crabtree, you got to follow her.
I would love to have her on.
Susan, if you're watching, I don't think you're watching Susan, but if you are watching or if anyone knows her, I would love to have her on because I got a lot more follow-up questions.
She was on with Vince this morning.
Vince is, I think, one of the best podcasts now on Rumble.
And she was, first of all, she was the one covering this in detail at the time.
She has sources that are ahead of the news.
She's been covering this for a damn year in more detail than anybody else out there.
And what she's revealing is beyond the pale.
When I first covered this, the day it came out, you know, we had the news.
Oh, yeah, four, what was it, six Secret Service agents suspended or sanct, whatever the hell they called it in the media, depending on which outlet you got to, they didn't want to mention the suspensions were between 10 and 42 days of pay, unpaid, sorry, unpaid administrative leave.
Some of them wanted to paint it out like it was the biggest punishment ever.
Oh my God, six Secret Service agents sanctioned, reprimanded over their dereliction of duty.
The day of, we didn't know who the names of the people were.
The day of, I come out and say, you know, the theory is, all right, this is a slap on the wrist.
Nobody knows who they are because it hadn't been specified the day the news was reported.
They'll sweep it under the rug.
And in a month and a half from now, after the unpaid summer vacation some of these agents are going to get, they're going to be put back into lower position jobs and it's going to be swept under the rug.
And in a year, nobody's going to remember a darn thing about it.
I said, on the one hand, maybe this is the slap on the wrist for the responsible agents.
Susan Crabtree came out with an alternative theory, which was these are the fall guys and the people who are actually responsible for this are using the lower level Secret Service employees to throw them under the bus, while the upper level management who carved out the Pac-Man perimeter and who didn't have a drone on site, despite the threats from Iran, they get promotions.
They keep their jobs.
Here, this was an article that came out a little bit earlier.
When was this from?
Last week, July 12th, two days ago.
Secret Service officials were aware of classified threat 10 days before Butler assassination attempt, failed to tell agents guarding Trump.
There's two things to this.
First of all, I don't think anybody like you need to tell Trump that people want to harm him.
That's sort of, it goes along with being the president, but Trump in particular.
The irony of the joke is that nobody really wanted to harm Joe Biden because he's a demented old fool.
Everybody knew that he wasn't the president and he's not the captain of that ship.
When it comes to Trump, if it's not even international interests, if it's not Iranian authorities who are still mad about the guy that he killed in 2019, there are enough lefty, unhinged lunatics in America that are angry with Trump because they think he's stealing women's rights, stealing trans rights, denying trans exists.
There are people domestically who would be the biggest heroes in their own villainous tales if they were to harm Trump.
I don't think he needs to.
Take for granted every day of the week, Trump knows any number of people want to harm him because he is a threat to the power structure that B, or he's just a threat to the ideological structure that they see.
That rhymes.
It's actually beautiful.
That being said, 10 days prior to Butler, they knew that there was a legit Iranian threat from what I understood.
Let me just make sure here.
I want to see this.
I think it was Iran.
They're going to tell us what the classified threat was in a second.
From the article, senior level Secret Service officials failed to share, quote, classified threat information, end quote, related to President Trump with those assigned to protect him during the Pennsylvania campaign rally where he was nearly assassinated, according to a congressional watchdog report.
As if you needed to know that, they didn't share that with them.
And then you have your Pac-Man perimeter.
The government accountability office found classified intelligence had been presented to the Secret Service official a full 10 days before July 13th.
Yada, yada, yada.
But the agency's siloed practice for sharing layered incompetence.
I'm sure if they wanted to share it, they would have.
Expensive information resulted in few being aware of the threat against Trump's life, as if they need to be aware of that.
The Secret Service had no process to share classified threat information with partners when the information was not considered an imminent threat to life.
Read the GAA report released by Chuck Grassley.
This is what Susan Crabtree spent the better part of the weekend going over.
The nature of the threat described as, quote, highly classified, end quote, by Secret Service officials in the report is not explained.
One can reasonably surmise it's the Iranian threat.
So they know that Iran wants to take Trump out.
They know that Iran has been posting videos of drones doing that.
They know that Iran, I mean, they know that we didn't know about Ryan Ruth, the second attempt at a sniper, Ukrainian-influenced or Ukrainian nutbag.
He's not Ukrainian, he's just an American who went off to fight and recruit terrorists to fight in the Ukrainian army, allegedly.
Criminal record should not have been in possession of a firearm staked out for 12 hours prior to Trump getting on the golf course, but for the grace of God, in that case as well, someone saw the butt of his rifle sticking out from a spot where they knew there was a weak perimeter in the golf course because paparazzi would go there to get shots of the president.
Back to Butler.
Secret Service and law enforcement personnel central to developing site security plans for the rally were unaware of the threat, the report notes, explaining members of the agency's advance team assigned to the event in Butler did not receive the relevant information.
We can pull this out.
It doesn't matter.
You don't need to know anything to know that someone wants to harm Trump at any given point in time, and you don't carve out the prime sniper location out of the perimeter, and then you have Trump paraded out like a sitting duck on stage.
That's what happened.
And we're living in perpetual miracle now because it didn't happen.
So with that said, undisclosed classified threat to Trump's life, everybody knew that since the Iranian incidents, there would be that.
They parade him out for a public with a deficient perimeter, with no communication between local law enforcement and secret service, with no drone, with no sniper either on the roof or locating in that roof, because apparently from what Crabtree has been reporting, the sniper who took out the shooter also screwed up in a position of responsibility, did not have anybody looking at that roof.
The original, another guy who was supposed to take out the sniper, couldn't see him because there were trees in the way.
And but for the grace of God, this guy did.
Okay, fine.
Now we have some sanctions against the employees.
Listen to this.
Is this the one that we talk about?
This is a tweet that Susan put out a couple of days ago.
Let me bring it up here so we can see this in big.
Breaking and new on the Trump assassination attempt.
Internal Secret Service docs show who in the Secret Service was responsible for failing to cover the sloped roof AGR building where shooter Thomas Crook opened fire on Trump in the crowd, killing Corey Comparatori and wounding two others.
Do you remember Kim Cheadle, the former director of the Secret Service coming out and saying, it's a security risk to have people on a slanted roof?
That was the first explanation.
We knew about it and we made an active decision not to have anybody on it because it would be dangerous for work-related hazards.
Internal Secret Service documents subpoenaed by Rand Paul show that the United States Secret Service found Mayo Perez, the quote, site agent in charge of the security for the Butler rally, negligent for her failure to cover the AGR building, which I had previously reported multiple times.
For that failure, she was given a suspension of 42 days unpaid leave.
And apparently, Trump never wants to see her again.
Failure to cover the AGR building and 42 days unpaid leave.
Nice.
She gets an unpaid winter summer vacation.
How do you fail to cover that, though?
It wasn't a failure to cover it as though they couldn't have foreseen it.
It was an active decision to exclude it.
That needs to be answered to.
I don't know that Mayo Perez has been deposed.
I don't know that she answered to the decision, if it's her decision only, how they decided to exclude that roof from the perimeter.
Here are the internal documents showing her arguments versus the Secret Service as to why they determined her culpability.
However, these documents appear to provide cover for her supervisors, Nick Menster and Nick Olszewski, who should have asked her exactly how the local law enforcement officers were going to cover the building, not just that it was going to be covered more generally.
The local law enforcement officers positioned themselves inside the building.
As I first reported exclusively, these supervisors were not disciplined in any way, but were given big promotion.
It was their job to ask the right questions based on their higher level experience.
They did not ask for those questions and therefore should have been held accountable.
If not, what else are they there for, but to provide another layer of security and oversight based on their higher level of experience in planning for big outdoor rallies?
I've attached to the screen.
I'll give everybody the link to this.
You can go have a look at it.
This is what you call like passing the buck layered in confidence.
Okay.
Mayo Perez determines the perimeter, doesn't cover the roof.
Nobody does a walkthrough and says, hey, shouldn't we have someone up there on that roof or at least immediately covering it?
And then they just pass the buck onto the lowest level rung of the ladder and say, you take the fall.
We're giving ourselves promotions.
You should have seen that.
You should have done that.
Us, when we went through there, we shouldn't have that.
We didn't have to ask the questions.
This is where I don't understand what the hell is going on.
You send me a neurotic hypochondriac through that Butler, Pennsylvania open field.
I will pick out every single hole in a fence.
But they throw her under the bus, apparently, and now the infighting is going to begin.
No, it wasn't my responsibility.
I should have had someone overseeing my incompetence, how they carved it out and how they didn't see it.
Okay.
We're going to get to this in a bit.
Oh, did I give everybody the link?
No, I didn't because I'm using streamer and I got to give the link right here.
Link.
Bada bing, bada boom.
There's one tweet.
Let's share another one here.
As we get to the bottom of this.
Oh, yeah.
Trump is satisfied with the bigger plot.
Susan Crabtree.
Cheadle had the Iranian intelligence 10 days before the January 13 Butler rally and didn't provide counter snipers for a Doral, Florida Trump rally on July 9th.
Ex-Secret Service director denies she failed to send agents to protect Trump.
This one's July 14th.
So Cheadle, head of the Secret Service, had this, I guess now it's being disclosed, Iranian connection, Iranian threat classified, failed to provide snipers at Dural, Florida.
What about Butler, Pennsylvania?
Well, they had them.
They just were totally half-assed and not in the right spots and conveniently not at the necessary spot.
Kim Cheadle resigned in shame, I guess.
I'm going to play this segment from the segment from Crabtree on Vince this morning because it's inexcusable, but not inexplicable.
Here, hold up.
Let's bring this one up here.
It's a little long, but we're going to play it because it's well worth it.
Kim Cheadle, remember the name.
She resigned in shame, though, so there's justice there.
Even though they had that 10 days beforehand, the next day at the Doral, Florida report rally, Trump rally, they didn't have any counter snipers.
But suddenly they found counter snipers for the Butler rally.
So they were denying him all along.
And this is a serious problem.
Pause it there.
You do recall from the time there were allegations, accusations that Secret Service was denying Trump additional coverage.
Why?
Because he's a former president, not a current president.
So denying coverage in other locations and then providing half-assed coverage at the Butler location, but confirming that they were in fact, as denied at the time, denying Trump additional Secret Service depending on the locations.
Here you have Trump in an outdoor venue, and they give sniper cover this time, where they didn't do it in Doral, Florida, half-assed to the point where it's not just useless, it's almost harmful in that it gives the appearance of safety and security with the biggest, weakest link, the AGR building roof open and nobody on it, nobody covering it, and that kid for two minutes and three seconds getting on the roof with a gun, people screaming out.
And then they don't take Trump offstage.
They shield his body after in any other universe, it would have been a body and not a living human.
Let's play this out for a bit.
The fact that Cheadle is lying according to these Senate reports, she should be held in contempt of Congress for lying to Congress.
Well, and the Jill Biden story is thicker than merely that her rally was better protected, her indoor event was better protected.
You do recall this at the time as well.
People were saying, well, there wasn't enough Secret Service because Jill was having a rally somewhere the same day.
And so Secret Service was split up.
Layered incompetence.
One thing after the other at some point is going to be intent.
And we hope Politics wasn't involved in this, but my goodness, would it have been a convenient catastrophe if Crooks had succeeded in his mission?
Let's let this play out and you'll understand.
Kim Cheadle was hand-selected by Jill Biden to be the Secret Service director, correct?
Some of her wealth she owes to Joe Biden, Jill Biden.
And because, yes, she was given that role after Joe Biden helped her get a role.
She was very close to her when she was on the vice presidential detail.
Cheadle was on the vice presidential detail when Joe Biden was present.
So Jill Biden got close to her.
And then she got her a job, was instrumental at PepsiCo afterwards, providing security, running security for them.
This is what these Secret Service agents do after they retire.
They go to lucrative jobs if they're good and they have had a long career.
Well, Cheadle did that.
She made a ton of money from what I understand.
And now she's trying to say that she has no culpability.
Yes, she was extremely close to Joe Biden.
And if politics played a role in this, I don't believe that it could not.
Treating Donald Trump as a former president and denying him security assets because of that is a joke.
And any logical person, like you said, a Boy Scout, would say that's a joke.
He broke the mold.
He's holding the biggest rallies we've seen, outdoor rallies, and he's facing an Iranian threat.
What the heck are you thinking using that outmotive?
But guess what?
Stop right there.
What the heck are you thinking?
If it happens, my goodness, do we have multiple layers of failure to blame it on?
It won't be Cheetah's fault only, although she'll resign and she would have resigned in the same disgrace had it happened versus had it come out the way it did.
She gets to blame the sniper because the sniper apparently didn't have any sights on that roof.
She would get to blame local law enforcement because they weren't communicating with Secret Service to take Trump off stage or not let him on.
Everybody would have had somebody to blame.
And yet what I believe was a let it happen on purpose plot would have been carried out.
You'd either have Nikki Haley and Mike Pompeo in the White House or you'd have freaking Kamala Harris and Tampon Tim in the White House.
And everyone would have cried.
Joe Biden would have come on and cried and the deep state would have won and the plan would have gone on.
Everyone would have had at least three other people to blame.
That's how it works when no one takes account for their own responsibility.
And that's what happens when you want it to happen.
If there's only one person to blame, it's a little too obvious.
Oh, geez.
You know, JFK's problem was that he said no to the motorcade cover because he wanted to go open air.
Oh, yeah, they changed the route at the last minute.
There was no protection on it.
Oh, yeah, no, there's a thousand people to blame for that.
There was a plot to take out JFK.
And I believe sincerely that there was something of a plot, if only through let's let it happen, because we know there's an Iranian threat.
We know there's nutbags left, right, and center.
And if we leave a roof open and we give them two minutes, maybe someone will get the shot off.
They didn't stop using that out-moded belief system protocol.
They have it in their suspension records of these Pittsburgh field office.
They still use, oh, well, as a former president, the Pittsburgh field office, the field office is held mostly responsible.
The Pittsburgh Field Office is taking a fall for this.
Their supervisors got suspended, but the Donald Trump supervisors didn't get suspended.
The campaign supervisors, the inspector, he got a promotion.
This is, I mean, there's so many outrageous things that I found in these reports and then I've been reporting along.
It was like, I hate to say it was a solemn day yesterday, and I recognize that, but it was like Christmas in July because everything that Susan was reporting the day of came to fruition or was evidenced by the report that came out.
But now you have some people saying, well, Trump said he's satisfied.
He said it six times.
I'm satisfied, but they should have had the roof covered.
They should have had communications.
They had a really bad day.
I'm sure it won't happen again.
Touch wood.
Now they're going to use drones because, you know, why didn't we think of using drones the day before?
Well, it was Jill Biden's appointee, Kim Cheadle, at the head of the Secret Service, deciding who got what that day.
But if you think it was part of a let it happen on purpose conspiracy theory, you're a nutbag and you should be disregarded and discarded.
Was there anything more on that story?
That's the latest of this.
It shouldn't go away.
We'll see if it does go away.
It's an abject disaster.
I think everything that we all thought was true from the beginning is true.
And then some.
But in true government fashion.
First of all, Trump is in a bit of a tough spot here because you can't rail against the Secret Service that's currently protecting you and your family too hard.
Hopefully, internally, they have their discussions that Trump is too polite to have publicly.
But this was not just layered incompetence.
This was everybody doing a half-assed job in the hopes that the unimaginable would happen.
And, well, they would be the reapers of the benefits of their own incompetence.
And the world would look very different than it looks today.
Good afternoon, everybody.
How goes the battle?
Monday.
Again, every time after we have a Sunday show, and it was a banger last night, if you didn't see it, every time after a Sunday show, I'm like, I hope we're going to have what to talk about today.
We've got what to talk about today.
First, there's that.
I would say, never forgive, never forget, and do not let up on the Butler assassination attempt because I firmly believe people need to go to jail for that.
Had Trump been killed, it would have been culpable negligence and people need to go to jail for it.
But by the grace of God, he survived.
Corey Comparator died.
His family should be suing everyone responsible for those decisions that day.
Don't forget about it and don't let it slide into oblivion, which is where they want it to go.
But now before we get on with the show, we've got Douglas Mackey, Ricky Vaughn, coming on in five minutes, give or take.
And if you don't know who Ricky Vaughn is, you know who Ricky Vaughn is, people.
He's the guy that got convicted for a meme under the Biden administration persecution for a trial for an appeal that was ongoing under the current Department of Justice, AG Pam Bondi, who Trump says is doing a good job.
And I would respectfully disagree, but Trump is the big boss and I'm merely the vocal critic and criticizing out of sincere concern and sincere Love and not for the purposes of destroying a man.
Like I would do if it were Justin Trudeau.
I wasn't trying to make Justin Trudeau a better prime minister.
We were trying to get him out of power.
I'm trying to ensure that Donald Trump has the best presidency, which leads into the best midterms, which leads into the re-election or election of JD Vance or whoever the wonderful candidate surely will be in 2028.
On the Republican side, it looks like the candidates are going up and up in terms of caliber, in terms of quality.
On the Democrat side, it looks like they're just getting crazier and crazier.
AOC running in 2028.
Gavin Newscomb, who we will talk about today, running in 2028.
Please bring it on.
You incompetent buffoons.
Bring on AOC, assuming that she's not fully bankrupt by then.
What the hell was I talking about?
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Now, if Douglas Mackey's watching, he can come in anytime now.
Let me just text him and say, oh, he just, no, no, he didn't pop in there.
Let me text him, say, come on in when ready, Smiley Face.
Douglas Mackey, a man who was actually convicted of election interference or what do they call it, disenfranchisement of the vote because he posted a meme that said, do we have the meme?
I don't know if like, if it, if he gets post-traumatic stress disorder from looking at the meme.
The meme that nearly ruined his life.
Let me see if I can get the meme here.
It's a Douglas Mackey.
I looked at it last week and I had it up on the, let me see if I can get the meme.
Where is the meme?
He was accused of racism too, if you can believe that, because they got to get you on all fronts.
Here we go.
Nope, that would be the wrong one.
Go here.
This is the meme for which he was convicted.
I'm with her.
Go Hillary.
African Americans for Hillary.
Avoid the line.
Vote from home.
Text Hillary to 59925.
This is from November 1st, 2016, 434.
They charged him with conspiracy to basically disenfranchise voters.
And they tried him in a corrupt district.
They convicted him in a corrupt district.
He was sentenced to seven months.
And his serving his time was suspended.
His sentence was suspended pending appeal.
And he successfully won on appeal on the merits of sorts, where the Court of Appeal unanimously said there was not even sufficient evidence of conspiracy to disenfranchise voters that he could have even gotten convicted by any jury on earth.
But they didn't attack the constitutionality of the law pursuant to which he was charged.
The criticism that some people have against Bondi is that the charges should have been dropped.
This was a federal case, but being prosecuted in the New Jersey, I want to say New Jersey and New York District.
We'll get to it in a second.
He's got a call.
He's going to be a couple minutes late.
No worries at all, giving the intro.
I think it was New York and New Jersey district convicted, and it was overturned on appeal.
The criticism was that Pam Bondi should have been aware of this and dropped the charges itself before it even took a chance with the Court of Appeals, because the Court of Appeals could have come in and said, yeah, totally fine, totally legit, totally kosher trial.
You go to jail for seven months, and then he's got to go to Trump and ask for a pardon or hope that Bondi, I don't know, dismisses the charges after it's confirmed on appeal.
Bondi didn't.
The court overturned it and we have a happy ending.
And when Douglas is off the phone, he's going to come back on.
Before we even get there, let me just see if I can do this because I don't know that I got to the super chats from the previous segment.
Does anyone think it's odd that for 100 plus years, evangelicals always wrote about a so-called, quote, Antichrist, end quote, would suffer a head wound, survived, and then would bring about a short global peace?
I've never heard any such thing kicking snow.
Old man Toby.
Hey, Viva, meant to comment last night to the show.
All this stuff gets to be extremely depressing, so I couldn't watch last night.
I have no idea how you and Barnes stay sane.
We're entering cynical doom pill mode, but we're not there yet because there's still time to turn things around.
Despite what the doomsayers on the internet say, Ginger Ninja says, I'm sure, quote, they had a bad day, end quote, is very comforting to Corey Comparatori's wife and girls who watched him die.
I'm sure They're satisfied with the non-investigation that your DOJ did.
Can't really disagree with Ginger Ninja, who's a member of our VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com committee, because we, community, we talk about Trump surviving, but it's true that someone died.
And yeah, you know, you should have had someone on the roof so that he couldn't get murdered while protecting his wife and kids is not exactly an explanation that most people are going to find satisfactory.
I do hope the family sues.
I don't know what's going to happen with the procedures.
Okay, let's bring up some of our vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
Tipped questions.
Dapper Dave says, Viva, I think you missed a golden opportunity to put the coal to the feet of David Ahrenberg when you were on the Megan Kellen show about Epstein.
Ahrenberg was the district attorney at the time of Epstein's arrest in Florida.
It eventually got transferred to the feds, but he had access to a lot of the information prior to that transfer.
I didn't miss that.
First of all, I wasn't there to put David Ahrenberg.
I was on with Megan Kelly last week and we were talking about the Epstein file.
And I'm familiar with that.
He was also, they had access to a certain portion of the file, but a lot of it was sealed.
It wasn't the right time, but I also don't think it would necessarily have been anything of his responsibility because I think at that point in time, enough time had lapsed.
And I don't know where the file was and what portion was under seal by court order.
But anyhow, Buffalo Betsy says, Bartleby says, happy Monday all.
Look at that beautiful dog.
That is a beautiful, happy, smart-looking dog.
All right, let me see where Douglas is here.
Give me a second.
Otherwise, I'm going to do one.
Well, you don't want to do one other thing right now.
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What would you do, Viva, if you were handed a case 85% redacted, says Bam Lau.
I'm just trying to figure out what I can do right now because, you know, people say FOIA, FOIA, FOIA.
And we're talking about the Epstein stuff.
We'll get to it a little later.
I don't want to start with the Epstein and then bring Douglas in and truncate the segment.
When you get there, like we, we, not we, but there were FOIA requests in Canada for COVID documents, and they come back and it's a joke.
It's just a binder of black, blacked out sentences.
What do you do?
I mean, you keep the pressure on.
You hope that maybe you can get some insiders.
I don't know.
You know, leaking this information could itself be potentially criminal.
So, you know, leaking it's criminal is one thing.
Possessing it, they'll go after you.
I mean, it's in theory the Trump DOJ.
So they won't go after you the way they went after James O'Keefe for possessing the Ashley Biden diary.
But who knows, man?
I mean, like, you're taking chances if you're accepting leaked information, but I would be up in arms if you get something that's 85% redacted because that's what it is.
Douglas Mackey is in the backdrop, people.
We're going to bring him in.
We'll talk Epstein after Mackey because people might be getting fed up with the Epstein drama.
I have not yet gotten fed up with it, but we'll see.
All right, Douglas, I'm bringing you in.
Three, two, one.
Sir, how goes it?
Can you hear me?
I can hear you.
I'm going to go to the chat and see if it's too loud or too soft.
Douglas, how long ago were you on?
Oh, yeah, probably a year ago.
Dude, is it one?
I've got some questions in our viva barnslaw.locals.com community specifically that I'm supposed to ask you.
I'm going to wait for the end of the segment to do this.
Douglas, okay, first of all, tell everybody who you are in a nutshell.
I've told everybody already.
Yeah, so my name's Douglas Mackey.
I long time ago used to post on Twitter under the name Ricky Vaughn during the 2016 election.
I posted a meme that I found on 4chan that said that Hillary Clinton supporters could text their vote so they could avoid the line and stay home and vote from the couch or whatever.
This was just a throwaway joke from 4chan.
Twitter took it a little bit too seriously.
They suspended my account only after getting a bunch of negative media coverage from Wired and CNN or BuzzFeed.
And, you know, this tweet, actually, nobody even saw the tweet until this was picked up by BuzzFeed and CNN and stuff.
So I thought really nothing of it.
Fast forward four years, I've basically moved on from the whole Ricky Vaughn pseudonym.
And I was just living my life anonymously down in Florida.
I had moved from New York to Florida and I was arrested by the Biden administration just seven days after the inauguration for posting this meme.
They had dug up a bunch of direct message groups and a bunch of stuff like that to say that this was part of a broader conspiracy against Rice to try to trick people out of their vote and essentially steal their vote in an underhanded Way.
This case, we fought this case.
We filed motions to dismiss bill of particulars because where's the evidence, right?
So essentially, this case went to trial 2023.
And during the trial, Donald Trump was actually indicted for the first time.
So this was sort of like the low point for Donald Trump and his supporters.
I was on trial.
Donald Trump got indicted and everybody was threatening to throw Trump in jail and all this horrible stuff.
And so that so I was sentenced later that year to seven months of federal prison and given a reporting date of January 18th, 2024.
Now, fortunately, I won an appeal bond just to say I could stay out of federal prison.
The appeals court recognized the strength of the appeal on multiple grounds.
We didn't argue the case till April of 24.
So 15 months later, and now we know why they took so long, because the Second Circuit was meticulously digging through the evidence.
I mean, they did a fantastic job to find out that there was an insufficiency of the evidence that there was, that I ever joined any conspiracy to steal anyone's right to vote.
And they issued the acquittal on, I think it was Wednesday, last Wednesday.
And so we won the case unanimously, 3-0.
And not only was the conviction vacated or anything like that, you know, which is sort of like a half victory, but they actually directed the lower court to enter a verdict of not guilty.
So that's where we're at at this time.
It's an ongoing saga because we're planning litigation.
Okay, I'm going to ask everything.
And if you think it's not wise to answer, you'll let me know.
You posted this.
This is what I think people sort of forget.
You posted the meme in 2016, right?
It was the 2016 election.
You get indicted in 2021 in the wake of the Jan 6 event five years later.
Had you known at all?
I mean, I don't even know how they did that so quickly, but had there been any indication whatsoever that there was any problem with that tweet for the five years, you know, that five-year window?
So it's funny.
I learned later on, Senator Klobuchar had blown this tweet up on the floor of the Senate in 2017 saying this is a felony.
And not only that, she was saying this is Russia.
Russia did this tweet.
This is a Russian conspiracy.
So, and you know, I saw that and I was laughing because obviously I hadn't committed any crime.
All I did was find a meme and post it, you know, for 4chan and post it.
So how is that a crime?
It's just, it's honestly pure satire.
I thought it was pure satire.
I thought there was no way anybody could be indicted.
The FBI knocked on my door in November of 2018 and they wanted to ask me questions about some old associate of mine who was who ran for office.
And I said, great.
Yeah, I would love to cooperate, talk to my attorneys.
And obviously I didn't talk to them.
It's best not to talk to the FBI.
And so, but it was complete shock because out of hundreds or tens of thousands of tweets, I obviously didn't think that I committed a single federal crime, let alone any crime in general.
So when they knocked on my door and said, we're arresting you, I had, I was completely taken aback.
This is in 2021.
2018 is in Trump's presidency, but it's still the FBI, which at the time we don't trust.
And the 2018 visit from the FBI, there was no indication they were looking at or considering that particular tweet.
No, I refused to talk to them.
And the only thing they said was we want to ask you questions about this guy that you used to know.
And if I may ask, and feel free not to answer, the guy that you knew, did that guy have anything to do with the election stuff?
Or was it another totally separate investigation?
Totally separate.
I believe they were using it as a false pretense.
I see.
Okay, interesting.
So no knowledge until you get indicted, arrested.
Did you spend any time in jail?
I looked up and said you didn't, but I don't know if you got out the same day.
Did you spend an overnight in there or anything?
So I had an arraignment.
So I was only in a cell for like an hour or two.
Okay.
I mean, it seemed like two hours, but maybe it was only one hour, right?
I mean, I've never been in a holding cell in a federal.
So I'm not going to hold you for perjury if you're off by an hour.
I'm joking.
So, okay, good.
No extensive time in jail.
You got bond pending.
You had to ask for that.
I was skeptical that you were going to get it at the time because I think that's after they had denied it to Bannon and Navarro, despite the fact that they were sentenced to four months and they were obviously going to serve that before any appeal were heard.
So let me ask you this because, and I don't want to put you in any bad position, but I'm going to ask it anyhow, and I don't know if it will.
I had been critical that Bondi's DOJ didn't drop the charges earlier.
People online replied to me and said, Viva, that's not fair.
Mackie didn't ask, Mackie turned down a pardon.
I replied with, I don't think he turned down a pardon because I don't think he got one.
I think you didn't ask for one because you did want to appeal this.
Can you flesh that out?
Yeah, so no, yeah, no, Bondi, AG Bondi did nothing wrong.
Basically, all the arguments were in as of April of 2024, including oral arguments.
So the DOJ had already staked out its position.
And the appeal was pending.
You're correct that there were discussions of a pardon, and we made it clear to our friends in the administration that we wanted to try to win the appeal first before asking for a pardon.
So while technically the DOJ can try to sort of, let's say, pull back its old briefs and arguments, it wouldn't even really be a wise thing to do because the circuit court can appoint whatever it's called, you know, a disinterested third party to argue the other side.
So it wouldn't have helped the case if they had tried to claw back the arguments.
So yeah, the DOJ was basically, the Trump DOJ was not at fault for any of this.
Okay, interesting.
It's a good, well, say, it's a diplomatic answer.
And the question would only be: if someone did want to say, okay, that's all fine and well, but this statute now has not been contested on the merits.
There's been no clarification on the merits of this, whether or not the statute is void for vagueness or unconstitutional.
And the way it panned out, though lucky for you, because I guess it could have been upheld and then you would have been asking for a pardon.
And then it would have looked even worse if the DOJ comes in and says, yeah, it was confirmed on appeal, but now we're going to dismiss the charges or declare the piece of legislation unconstitutional.
You mentioned that you're looking, I don't know if I want to ask, but I'm going to.
You're looking to sue the government?
So yes, we are hopefully going to have some good breaking news in the next few days or weeks.
We're planning litigation against the government.
Essentially, the circuit court found, like we said, insufficiency of the evidence.
Well, it's not for lack of trying or lack of resources.
They dug up terabytes of data.
They dug up my email accounts.
They dug up all my paychecks for my old job.
They dug up all bank statements, all credit card statements.
They dug up all of the lease agreements and all of those records of rental payments and everything else.
And the fact that they had all this evidence, I should say, they had all this data that they seized and they had no evidence in what they seized.
They should never have brought a case.
And the only conclusion you could really make is that there was a political animus and that they, and even if, and they, at the very least, they should have known better than to bring this case.
So we're absolutely going to be filing some sort of federal tort.
And, but look, part of any, look, we hope that we believe that the Trump administration understands that this case was meritless and that they're going to do the right thing.
And so any settlement, we're really going to be going for the records of the genesis of this case.
And importantly, you know, outside actors, if any outside actors were involved, if this was hatched by, you know, like we see with so many of these cases, Norm Isaac or Brookings Institute, the SPLC, we'd like to see that as well.
Well, because it is like people would say, oh, you're suing the Trump administration.
That's bad.
Everybody knows this was under the Biden administration.
That's good.
Malicious prosecution, you know, in terms of anybody who had ever been charged with anything remotely similar, I venture to say the answer is nothing, not Nil Zilch.
Who was the, what district was it?
Was it, I want to say New Jersey or New York?
This was brought in the Eastern District of New York.
Okay.
So not quite as corrupt as the Southern District, but not a good district.
Well, it might be worse.
You should hear some of these cases in the EDNY that I'm learning about now because we're going to be fighting those cases too.
I'm going to be trying to bring more than just my case to light.
Let me ask, who was the Eastern District prosecutor?
So believe it or not, a man named Seth Ducharm was the acting U.S. attorney after President Trump lost the election, or let's say Biden stole it, one or the other.
Whoever was the attorney stepped down.
Seth Ducharm became the acting attorney.
Trump suppointees in the first administration understood that this case was meritless.
They understood that there was a lack of evidence, and they understood that this would be infringing on free speech.
So they didn't bring the case.
As soon as Bill Barr resigned, this guy who was actually worked on, I think, the Durham case, the Durham report, and he actually was one of sort of Bill Barr's right-hand man.
He actually signed off on this prosecution.
It was taken over by a Biden U.S. attorney named Breon Pease.
But the key actors were a man who's fortunately left the DOJ named Corey Amundsen, who worked in the public integrity section that so maliciously went after Donald Trump.
And so when that group was cleaned out, he was cleaned out as well.
Now, there's a man named Bill Galata, who was one of the worst lying prosecutors, the assistant U.S. attorneys actually in charge of prosecuting the case.
And he twisted the arm of the cooperating witness.
This guy was very malicious.
I mean, I had my attorney saying we met with them and he was calling you a criminal before I was even convicted of anything.
I had never been convicted of anything.
So Bill Galada is a very bad actor, but a man named Eric Paulson, who was the AUSA in charge of this thing at EDNY, and another one named Frank Turner Buford.
So these are the bad actors that were involved.
And look, some of them are still involved.
So as part of what we're going to do, we're going to put together a roadmap and we're going to take it to the DOJ and say, look, this is the roadmap for the weaponization group to investigate.
You said Eric Paulson, right?
Not Robert Paulson?
Correct.
How familiar are you with Fight Club?
Yeah.
His name was Robert Paulson.
Okay, so all of these, I will put in, I don't want to get you in trouble.
All of these actors, bad faith actors, they still have jobs and they're still in their positions of authority within the Eastern, within the Eastern District or wherever.
Right.
And look, this isn't about any sort of retribution or anything like that.
This is simply about justice.
How can Americans have any confidence in their DOJ if these bad actors are still employed?
So I don't harbor any ill will towards any of these men or I don't wish anything bad on them except for justice is served that they can move on with their lives and not work for the DOJ anymore.
And we can have some restitution for what happened to me in my case.
The question is like, it's one thing that there should be a total lack of evidence.
My issue at the time was there's no way to expect a jury to understand.
I'm not trying to be mean about to the lay people, to really fully appreciate the nuance of the legislation, what a conspiracy means, how to apply it.
I mean, it's sort of like I'm trying to think of in the, you know, the Bannon case where you're asking, I think I forget which one.
I don't want to make a mistake on which one had a jury trial and which not, but like some of these laws, nobody's going to understand it.
And you present to them, they're obviously going to come back with a rubber stamp conviction because of the politics of this.
And ordinarily, you would have a judge that would say, I think it's called a J-N-O-V, a judgment notwithstanding a verdict, which is basically, okay, fine.
The jury came to this conclusion like they did with Bajiki in the Michael Flynn case.
But I'm a judge and I say, like, it's an unreasonable jury verdict and it should never have been brought there.
So I'm overturning it.
The judge doesn't do that.
Who was the judge in this?
Well, the judge who took over for the trial because the original judge had COVID was a woman named Ann Donnelly.
And yeah, she was not sympathetic to any of our arguments for a directed verdict.
Let's put it that way.
But obviously she was overruled by the Second Circuit because they did direct a verdict and say no rational trier of fact, no rational jury could have convicted this man.
All right, amazing.
And so I'll ask this stupid question.
How does it feel when you get this ultimate exoneration?
I mean, this is some people are going to say it's like, I don't know if it feels good or if it is the ultimate, if it's like the ultimate needle, like after all of that, this I was right, but I've been put through three years.
Look, I don't look back in anger at all.
I was very happy.
My family was very happy.
I was on the first day of vacation when I heard this news with my wife and young child.
So we were, we were ecstatic.
We were through the moon.
But I got to say that I don't know whether it's how I'm wired, but I only cried about two tears of joy.
And then it was right back into war.
It's like, look, we got to move on with this.
We got to fight.
We got to fight for some sort of restitution in this case.
And I got a whole list of cases that we've got to make right, a whole bunch of them.
One of them was Dr. Kirk Moore, who thank God was finally let off the hook for, you know, basically, I mean, I don't think he did anything wrong, but at the very least, they were trying to stack so much charge, stack so many charges on him.
It was so unjust.
So we've got a long list of people that we're going to fight for.
It's amazing.
The amount of people who I've now gotten to know as a result of the lawfare, the number one thing that I think is a theme that runs common among all of them is they've never understood the abuse of the prosecutorial system or the inhumane treatment of prisoners until they got inside.
And now a lot of the Jan Sixers who are in solitary are coming out and want some form of meaningful prison reform.
And those who've been subjected to the lawfare of the system want some sort of criminal justice reform.
And it's like, it's the full reversal of the parties now.
The Republicans want judicial reform or criminal justice reform, anti-big government, anti-big pharma, anti-censorship.
And the Democrats seem to be leaning into it.
That's okay.
Now, hold on.
I want to get the questions that we had in our local community.
Did his incarceration, this is from Bart Cop 2, did your incarceration make you want to stay out of the limelight or did it light a fire to start fighting the deep state with every fiber of your being?
So it really lit a fire.
Fortunately, I was never incarcerated because, like I said, it won that appeal bond.
So I'm lucky in that respect.
But the whole thing lit a fire under me.
And, you know, I had to be pretty silent about this case for about two years.
Now, after the conviction, I started speaking out about it.
And after, you know, mid last year when Trump got shot was when I kind of just went no hoes barred about the whole thing.
But I had to stay silent about this case because, like you said, anything that you say, they can use against you at trial.
And trust me, they did.
So I didn't say anything about this case, but this lit a fire and I'm ready to go.
I'm ready to fight.
Incredible.
Let me read this one here.
This is from Drearier Spider.
Was your legal team in touch with the Trump Bondi DOJ?
What was the plan if the Second Circuit upheld the conviction, appealed to SCODIS, and get a pardon?
Barnes was critical, concerned that Bondi didn't file a brief in support of Doug's defense after she got it.
So, right.
So if this case, so if we had gone to the Supreme Court, then we would have expected that the administration was going to completely change its position.
We would have expected them to have a position on the case.
Obviously, maybe it would have been slightly different, but ultimately, we believe they would have argued that the conviction should not be upheld.
However, thank God it didn't come to that because the question would be, do we go through the time and the energy and the finances to keep going?
It would have been next summer, right?
Because the term's about up.
So we would have filed a writ and expected if we even, if they even took the case, we wouldn't have even expected a judgment until next summer.
So it was an open question that we were batting around whether to just go through with the Supreme Court appeal or ask the Trump administration for a pardon.
Can I ask how much you've spent on this in terms of legal fees?
Yeah, so personally, I'm in the low six figures, but this case costs a lot more than that.
I'm very fortunate that the Meme Defense Fund, which is a nonprofit project, was able to raise a large sum of money for me.
We're talking about in the millions, we're talking about millions of dollars for this defense.
So I'm very fortunate we raised a lot of money.
But the fact is, I still owe mid-six figures.
So we're still raising money for the meme defensefund.com and praying for that restitution, like you said, when we bring this case against the government.
I'm going to bring up the meme defensefund.com.
I'll bring that up in a second.
Well, there's another question in our locals and it says, Douglas, I imagine that there has to be something where you shake your head and think truth is stranger than fiction or you can't make this stuff up.
What was the funniest, strangest part of this whole sordid case?
Was there something that made you chuckle or laugh or maybe they look at you back and think, how that's weird?
Oh, bonus points.
Bonus points if it makes the FBI and DOJ look bad.
Well, it does make them look bad.
They arrested me.
And then after that, they had this quote unquote cooperator who they were squeezing to, as Roger Stone says, to sing like a canary and just to say whatever they said.
So they brought this guy in like a dozen times to interview him in preparation to testify against me, which if people aren't familiar, we don't even hear about this until like one or two months Before trial, they say, Oh, we've got a cooperator against you.
So it was a fellow by the name of Micro Chip, and he's actually under a protective order.
So I can't tell you his real name or where he's from, but I think I know this part.
I'll get it.
Sorry, yeah, absolutely.
So this guy walked into courtroom, into the courtroom.
He looked like the Kool-Aid man.
He was fairly tall.
I would say six foot or maybe more, and he probably weighed 350.
And he walked into the courtroom.
This is the government's star witness in some kind of purplish blue velour jumpsuit, wearing slides with socks in the middle of New York winter.
And the guy was completely out of his mind.
Now, he's going on Twitter now and saying that he was on a, you know, some kind of drug medley so that he could try to perform for the government because he understood that he was perpetuating a false narrative, basically to try to keep himself out of trouble and those he loves.
But they, he, so that was funny enough.
But the funny thing is they applied for a protective order against this guy so that he could testify pseudonymously.
And we got, we got lawyers who say, I represented a member of the cartel.
The government applied for pseudonymous testimony for these cartel members and they denied.
I mean, this is so rare that it has basically only ever happened for really bad international terrorists like ISIS or MS-13.
But in my case, the threat of online harassment was so great that this guy was actually, his application was actually approved.
That was shocking, but it's just one of a litany of abuses.
But in this case, it was actually funny.
That is wild.
I know a bit of the backdrop on that guy.
No name.
Even the jury couldn't know his name.
It never made any sense.
The question that I was going to follow it up with was...
So that one was from Luke and this one is from Teresa.
Are you going to go back to posting memes?
So I do like to post memes still, you know, in my account, which is at Doug Mackey Case.
Amazingly enough, Elon Musk restored the Ricky Vaughn 99 account.
Now, I don't actually have access because I lost the email account so long ago, but they're working on getting me access.
I've got to look into the legality of whether there's some kind of trademark or copyright infringement.
So I don't even know if it's allowed, but I like posting memes.
But I don't do a whole lot of posting memes anymore.
And I still like to do it, but I'll post a meme here or two, but not nearly like the old days.
And so let me, when you look back on that particular meme or, you know, what you did at the time, does it make you feel sick or does it bring back trauma or do you laugh about it?
Well, I always thought it was funny.
I still think it's funny.
I think it's a funny joke.
Now, I'll give you a little bit of inside baseball.
The trial judge ruled that we could argue to the jury that the meme was satirical, which obviously I thought it was, but the attorney made the judgment call that it wasn't the best strategy to argue that the meme was satirical and that it was a joke.
And because I always thought it was funny.
But ultimately, I think he was right because, you know, the jury, they put the meme up on the board and they're looking at scowling at it.
So I guess he made the right call in the end, but we didn't make that argument.
But I always thought it was funny.
Well, quite frankly, it is funny.
Do you imagine you get up there?
Like, only an idiot could fall for this meme in like six of the dreamers.
Like, I would have fallen first.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's a bit of a problem there.
And my own personal question, like everywhere in the media, you're described as far-right, alt-right, racist, anti-Semitic, misogynist, et cetera.
Does that, I mean, do you get used to that?
Does it irritate you every single time?
Or can you laugh at that?
So I'm used to it by now.
I can laugh at it.
Most people understand that it's not true.
You know, back in a long time ago, you know, I posted a lot of very spicy memes.
And quite frankly, I posted things that were offensive and that I wouldn't post again.
And even some stuff I regret.
It's kind of like Ricky Vaughn.
You know, he threw a lot of wild pitches in the major league movie.
So it doesn't bother me anymore.
I moved on a long time ago from that kind of stuff.
So it doesn't bother me anymore.
Doug, so let me bring up the two websites so that people can, actually, I can only bring up one because I can't find the other one.
Where is I want to bring up the go here?
Meme Defense Fund.
Okay, here we go.
So the meme defense fund.
I forgot.
I told my kid we're going to watch Major League because we haven't watched it yet.
So we're doing that tonight.
So people can go to Meme Defense Fund, and it's with an S, not a C, because you guys are American, I guess.
Meme Defense Fund.com.
Right now, you got to reimburse your legal fees, what you are out of pocket for personally, and you're proceeding with a lawsuit against the government, which you'll probably get some cooperation from this administration.
Actually, just going back to the Dr. Moore case, there had been some criticism that some people were slow to the ball in terms of dropping that case against Moore and that the trial started under this current administration.
How much effort was required to bring it to the, you know, to get it to the DOJ's eyeballs?
Well, there were a lot of people, and I got to give the most credit to Marjorie Taylor Greene, but there's another woman that I have the honor of working with now collaborating named Cynthia Hughes of the Patriot Freedom Project, PatriotFreedomProject.com, and she was instrumental as well.
But Marjorie Taylor Greene, I hate to criticize the DOJ, but I would like to see if they could intervene in these high-profile, arguably weaponized cases a lot sooner.
And I think that the president should consider just, I know if that's my connection, but you don't give parties to people for five years after they've been convicted or whatever.
But that's just tradition.
It's nothing set in stone.
I would like to see the White House actually short circuit these prosecutions and cut through all the mess just by giving out pardons.
There's a number of cases.
Let me give you an example: Officer McMahon in New York City, who is railroaded because the DOJ didn't like his client that he was working for as a private investigator.
There's a case called One Taste in the EDNY.
I took an interest in this case because it was also in the EDNY, a single count conspiracy of forced labor where, quite frankly, it's a lot like my case where the evidence is insufficient.
They're trying to force a square peg in a round hole.
So I would like to see either I would like to see a more active government from the AG to end these cases, like in the case of Dr. Moore, or maybe in cases where there's already a verdict and or there's already a sentence that President Trump would step in like he did with a man named Carlos Watson in the EDNY.
Let's not forget that the EDNY tried to railroad one of Donald Trump's best friends, a man named Tom Barack, who worked on the first transition.
And now he's an ambassador, I believe.
But they accused him of conspiracy to register, you know, to some kind of FARA conspiracy of being an unregistered agent.
And they didn't have evidence.
And in that case, the jury saw through it and acquitted him.
So the EDNY is as bad as it gets.
Well, it's interesting.
You say like people put the onus on Bondi as they should, because she's the DOJ, the AG.
But at some point, every district has innumerable numbers of cases, which could qualify as weaponized cases.
We're just more familiar with the ones that we're interested in or the more egregious cases.
But they have someone who's in charge of pardons, Ed Martin.
Maybe you have a committee that scours, you know, takes recommendations for lawfares type things.
I got to praise Ed Martin.
And I know that he's on it because I've spoken to him and I'm hoping for a lot more to come.
But Ed Martin's doing a great job with these cases.
I believe that Ed Martin probably was instrumental in bringing the Dr. Moore case to a close, but we'll never know because, you know, he's a very loyal foot soldier, as he should be, and he's a great man.
Yeah, no, he is amazing.
He's responsive.
He sees when he's tagged on Twitter, and he deserves a lot of credit.
He's just got not a siloed, but a limited capacity, which is looking over pardon cases as far as intervening in law affair that's ongoing litigation, you know, they might need something of an administrative body to take cases, look at them.
And I would say this, let's the White House counsel, the White House counsel should make a list of 100 cases or whatever many cases and bring a list to President Trump.
These are the cases that should end right now.
And let's do it.
Let's not waste our time because, like you said, people get dragged through the mud and go through the ringer.
I'm very grateful to President Trump for bringing up my case early and often, as well as Donald J. Donald Trump Jr.
And in President Trump's executive order on weaponization, he actually mentions my case, the case where someone was almost thrown into prison for a meme.
So we're hoping that the weaponization group is going to investigate and we'll bring them that roadmap in the next coming weeks or months.
Have you met Trump yet in person?
Not yet, but hopefully I will soon.
Okay.
Amazing.
Douglas, I don't know where you're located, but maybe we'll meet up and go fishing one of these days.
Would love to.
You're in Florida.
I'm in South Florida.
So let's do it.
Paul be absolutely.
It is.
Look, we were all happy with the outcome.
Some of us were a little frustrated.
It took so long and you had to be put through hell to get there.
But I think it's still Winston Churchill has attributed the phrase, if you're going through hell, keep going.
Or I don't know if that's it, but whatever.
You know what I'm going to get at?
Absolutely.
Might have been Mark Twain.
Douglas, Godspeed with the venture of suing the government.
And any updates, let me know.
Come back on anytime and we'll talk about it.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Have a good one.
Thanks.
Thanks.
All right, people.
There was a bit of a freeze there.
And I think it was on my end because we're having a storm come through.
And I can hear, you hear that?
That's some deep, deep thunder.
That is amazing.
It is, you know, better late than never.
And I'm sure he's going to have learned, I say learn something from the process.
All government is bad, even the good ones.
They need to be kept to as small as humanly possible so they don't wake up with problems that are too big for them to possibly resolve, such as too many cases of weaponized persecution, prosecution to even know how to address them.
That was Douglas Mackey, people.
He's amazing.
Yeah.
Okay, now let me bring up what's going on here.
I want to bring this up.
I want to see what's going on in our humble chat.
We got Rep Santos was sentenced to more than seven years in prison, unless Trump pardons him.
Two-tier justice.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of his case was about appropriating campaign funds.
I'm, you know, seven years in jail for financial crimes.
People are going to say he stole, you know, people's money.
He lied.
It was fraud.
And, you know, it wouldn't be two-tier if everybody got the same punishment.
I tend to think seven years for nonviolent financial crimes.
It's a lot of, it's a lot, but some people are going to say stealing people's money who are, you know, are living paycheck to paycheck is also a very serious crime.
So I could steel man both sides there.
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I got to all the questions in there.
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Okay, hold on, hold on.
Let me bring this one up here.
Can we get proof of life of Winston?
I can tell you this proof of life of Pudge, I find it on the floor every morning now.
I don't know.
Okay, here.
Here we go.
These are what we got.
Can we get proof of life?
I'm missing a sweet face.
And oh my God, y'all.
Oh, my gosh.
Y'all should make some Viva Barnes pet.
Winston, Winston, Get over here.
Hold up.
Don't let me pull.
I'm going to pull everything off the table here.
Get over here.
Get over here.
All right.
Hold on.
Let me see what's going on with the camera.
Okay, stop.
Mayen.
Howina.
This is Winston.
He's blind, by the way, for those of you who don't know.
Look at his stupid face.
He looks like a Frenchman.
If this dog had a voice in a movie, it would be French.
Why are you holding me like this, my man?
You put me down on the ground.
Oh, he smells like a wet dog, too.
All right.
That was Douglas Mackey.
People, let me bring a patron that involves Luke Rydkowski, who I also like.
Luke is asking, what do we all think of Charlie Kirk saying this about the Epstein?
Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.
I'm going to trust my friends in the administration.
I'm going to trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it.
Ball's in their hands.
I've said plenty this last weekend.
So if you guys want to see my commentary on it, that's fine.
Honestly, I'm done.
I don't know what came after that.
Luke Rudkowski says, what do you all think?
After calling Trump over the weekend, Charlie Kirk said he is done talking about the FCN and will trust his friends in the administration.
And I said, I can appreciate the sentiment if nothing new to add, no point repeating the same things over and over again.
And then he says, no, demand justice for the children that were hurt.
And I'll say this, I didn't say I agree.
I agree.
Just that I can appreciate the sentiment.
And then the other thing is this.
Anyone with kids knows that repetition tends to yield results.
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Tweet.
Done.
We all witnessed a tweet in real time.
Is there anything new with the Epstein stuff?
Not really, people.
We've got, we talked about it for a long time yesterday.
Richard Barris was on, and it was, I think it was an amazing show.
It's stuff that needs to be said.
It's stuff that needs to be hammered home.
And it's stuff that people need to understand because it's not a question of being stubborn.
It's not a question of clicks, and there's no but to that.
It's not going away, nor should it go away.
Now, there are people online who are trying to distract, divert the conversation and, you know, make the typical accusations that, oh, this is all anti-Semitic talk in order to shame people out of talking about it.
Others saying, you know, if you keep talking about it and you divide the base, what's going to happen?
Democrats are going to come back into power and it's going to be disastrous when that happens.
And you're going to give the midterms to the Democrats.
And so you should just shut your big mouth lest you be responsible, apparently, is what the implication is, for getting Democrats elected in the midterms and possibly 2028.
And there's actually a very similar analogy to when people criticize Israel.
And I know this firsthand because it's one of the things a lot of people tell me all of the time, Biva, if they come for the Jews, you're going to be on the train wagons just like the rest of us.
So no cozing up is going to get you out of there.
And I'm like, yeah, okay, I appreciate that.
What's the implication in that statement that no matter what, let's just say Netanyahu does, that I can't criticize it?
And the flip side to that is even more sinister to some extent.
The more egregious someone's conduct is, the more immoral, the more depraved, the more other people are going to lash out against that conduct.
And so the idea is that almost you are hand-tied from criticizing anything.
And the more egregious any such conduct becomes, just hypothetically, the more extreme is going to be the response to that.
The more extreme is going to be the repercussions for those who are aligned with it.
And so I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly, but the idea is almost that no matter what is done, don't criticize it because when the Nazis come, Viva is going to be on the train just like everybody else, Hasidic or Israel supporters.
As if to say, though, however, then the more egregious the conduct, the more I have to support it, because the more extreme is going to be the backlash against me and others.
Therefore, I must support it regardless.
I'm independent.
I'm not tribalist, probably to a flaw.
I don't like groups.
I don't like clubs.
I don't want to be a part of a club.
Period.
I don't want favor for any identity politics, nor do I want punishment for it.
Being Jewish does not make any of my opinions on anything more valid.
Not being Jewish does not make anybody's opinions on any other matter less valid.
The same type of rationale is going on right now.
If you're truly MAGA, you cannot possibly criticize anything Trump is doing because in so doing, you're just going to hand a victory to the Democrats.
The flip side, however, is that, like I've said before, you stay silent and you don't tell a restaurant what they did wrong, people are going to stop going to the restaurant, whether or not the chef knows why.
And so you're not going to shame people into voting.
You're going to shame people into silence.
You're not going to win elections with the silent demographic, a silent demographic who has been shamed into not participating.
So now with that said, that was a long-winded way of getting into the criticism about the criticism against the people now who are simply not letting up on the what many feel to be an abject Epstein debacle.
And I don't think there's any way of walking around it.
So Naftali Bennett, who is, I can still read Hebrew, is the 13, let me see if I can do this.
Rosh Hamamshalah.
That's number 13.
Shel Medinat Israel.
So head of, head, Rosh Hammam Shalah.
I mean, I guess that means head of the state.
I don't know.
I presume Mamshalah means state.
The 13th prime minister of the country of Israel.
He's got 666,000.
Come on, man.
Why did that happen?
Okay, I didn't know that.
Okay.
Anyhow, Naftali Bennett puts out a tweet today.
It says: As a former Israeli prime minister, with the Mossad having reported directly to me, I say to you with 100% certainty in bold, the accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false.
Epstein conduct, both the criminal and the merely despicable, had nothing whatsoever to do with the Bossad or the state of Israel.
Epstein never worked for Mossad.
This accusation is a lie being peddled by prominent online personalities such as Tucker, pretending to know things they don't.
They just make things up, say it with confidence, and these lies stick because it's Israel.
There's a vicious wave of slander and lies against my country and my people, and we just won't take it anymore.
Well, I don't think really most people are saying it's against the people.
The government of Israel is a government like every other country on earth to be trusted as much as every other government on earth.
It's like people don't trust the government of the Vatican all that much either, but whatever.
But just to highlight, worked for Israel.
And, you know, it's not to be a lawyer for the sake of being a lawyer.
You could not be a lawyer and have critical thought capabilities to understand.
You need to break this sentence down.
The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel, which is a different statement than working with Israel or working with people who work with Israel.
You notice it doesn't say directly or indirectly, which is how I would have drafted it as a lawyer, but doesn't matter.
For Israel, worked.
So Epstein did not work for Israel.
Did he work with Israel?
Did he work with Mossad counter?
Did he work with intelligence?
I mean, I think we know that he did, at least CIA or American intelligence.
I'm fairly certain Acosta, the man who was responsible for the first sweetheart plea deal, affirmed as much.
So he didn't work for Israel.
The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad, and then you have a conjunction, so that he didn't work for Israel running a blackmail ring.
He could have worked for Israel for something else, and this statement would still be true.
And he could still positively assert he didn't work for Israel running a blackmail ring.
He worked for Israel as somehow other form of intelligence, but not running a blackmail ring.
So it's not to be wordsmithing for the sake of it.
Things are drafted for a reason, the way they're drafted.
And there's a lot of ways that this statement can be technically to the letter of the statement true.
Jeffrey Epstein did not work for Israel running a blackmail ring.
He didn't work for Mossad running a blackmail ring, but he might have worked for them doing something else.
He might have worked with them doing it, but wasn't working for them.
So plenty of ways to get out of it.
Yada, yada, yada.
What was the other part here?
Oh, and then you get into the, okay, the straw manning that nobody's accusing Israeli people of being guilty of the sins of their government.
I'm sure there are actually, there's people out there who say, you know, all Americans are responsible for the sins of the government.
Most reasonable people don't think that.
And in as much as I wouldn't call it anti-Semitic to say, even if someone does believe every Israeli citizen is responsible for the sins of the government, you could say that's anti-Semitic, but then what would it be anti-I guess it's anti-American to say that every American is responsible for the sins of their government?
Just not very many people say that.
But I just had two very simple questions, and I sort of kind of knew the answers to these already.
Why was Ehud Barak visiting Epstein dozens of times after it was known he was a child abuser?
Exhibit number one.
And why was Mossad at Robert Maxwell's funeral?
Exhibit number two.
Both statements are true.
And I kind of know the answer to the first one because everybody kind of knows the answer to the first one.
Do you know why Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel, was meeting with Jeffrey Epstein multiple times, 30 some odd times, after it was known that Jeffrey Epstein was a child abuser at the very least?
Well, first of all, and don't take my word for it.
The internet is forever unless they scrub it.
There was a tweet from Benjamin Netanyahu from six years ago that it was in Hebrew.
My Hebrew is not good enough to read this.
Yet, mehashek, the gel, harshut.
I mean, I could read it, but I have no idea what the hell I'm reading.
And in Hebrew, it's in English, it's the cat is out of the bag.
The Palestinian Authority flag at the left-wing demonstration organized by Ehud Barak, the partner of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, yesterday outside the prime minister's residence in Jerusalem.
Shame and disgrace.
And this is from July 19, 2020.
To which I said, what business was Ehud Barak and Jeffrey Epstein partners in?
This is a tweet from 2020.
Well, if you've been paying attention to it, you kind of know.
I'll bring up the answer, but I'm not going to here.
This is from chat GPT just to get the summary of it, but you can go Google it.
Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel, and Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender, were linked through a business relationship involving a company called Carbine 911, commonly referred to as Carbine.
Carbine is an Israeli tech company focused on emergency response and public safety systems using real-time location services and data.
Barack was chairman of Carbine and had a financial stake in the company.
Epstein invested at least $1 million in Carbine in 2015 after his 2008 conviction for soliciting a minor for prostitution.
The investment came through one of his entities, Southern Trust Company.
The link between Barack and Epstein became public in 2019 following renewed interest in the Epstein activities.
When asked about the connection, Barack stated that he was unaware of Epstein's criminal history at the time of the investment.
Bullshit.
Barack also said that Epstein did not have a direct role in the company and had no involvement in its operations or management.
There was a fallout after Epstein's 2019 arrest and subsequent death.
Scrutiny intensified on anyone associated with him.
Barack faced significant public pressure and backlash in Israel due to the association.
He distanced himself from Epstein and resigned from Carbine's board not long after the revelations.
Carbine continues to operate.
Now, the thing about Carbine is actually, it's not just geolocation.
It's video streaming, live video streaming, and geolocation.
Now, some people are going to say, okay, fine.
Ehud Barak had a business relationship with Jeffrey Epson.
Whether or not you believe that Ehud Barak, former prime minister, didn't do a due diligence on a $1 million plus investor.
Whether or not his security didn't do a due diligence on someone he would go spend time with in his mansion in New York.
If you believe that, I've got, you know, Mickey Mantle rookie to sell you.
Some people are going to say, okay, fine, that's one thing.
Why was Massad at Robert Maxwell's funeral?
Robert Maxwell is Ghelaine Maxwell's father.
Ghelain Maxwell is Jeffrey Epstein's business partner, convicted, sentenced to 25 years for sex trafficking.
Well, they were there because Robert Maxwell was, in fact, working with Massad, among other intelligence assets.
Like these are all, these are all dots.
And I don't know what writing there would be to confirm that if he's not on the payroll, you're not going to see a check from Massad to Jeffrey.
Sorry, from Mossad to Jeffrey Epstein.
You won't see it.
I don't know what more evidence you would see of some form of deeper connection than what we're seeing.
And you cannot blame people for putting all of the timeline together, putting all of the change in tunes together, what many believe to be gaslighting of the highest order, as relates to Jeffrey Epstein.
So I can understand Charlie Kirk saying, look, I've said everything I'm going to say.
I could say it day in and day out.
At some point, you know, when it comes to kids, it either gets their way or it gets the parents to stop listening to them.
I guess it depends on the parent.
I think it's probably sufficiently clear at this point in time that the administration has heard.
And then the only question is going to be whether or not they change tact.
And we'll see whether or not they do.
But if anybody pretends that it's anti-Semitic to ask these questions, to suggest that Jeffrey Epstein was somehow intelligence, I mean, at least from the American perspective, it's basic fact at this point.
Let me see what chat GPT.
I'm very much disappointed with Chat GPT.
I like to use it to see how political it gets.
Was Jeffrey Epstein connected to American intelligence?
Question mark.
There is no official confirmed evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was connected to American intelligence.
What would that evidence look like?
That he's on the payroll of the CIA?
I mean, I guess if they give undocumented gift cards like they did in the Gritch and Whitmer fed napping, it's kind of tough to trace those things.
Strong speculation and circumstantial evidence have fueled ongoing theories that he may have had tied to agencies, intelligence agencies, either American or foreign, such as Israeli.
Here's the breakdown.
Unusual leniency in prosecution.
Let me show you this one so nobody thinks I'm lying about this.
Here, share.
No, that's not a share.
This is the share screen.
Let me bring this up.
Oh, crap, we're going very long here.
Oh, my goodness.
Unusual, is this it?
We're looking at the same thing right now.
Yeah, we are.
Okay, here.
Bada bing, bada boom.
Unusual leniency in prosecution.
Acosta later told Trump transition team, I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Like, what more do we need?
Jeez, Louise, what did they say here?
There's no official confirmed?
That sounds pretty effing official to me.
Mysterious wealth, potential use of sexual blackmail, ties to powerful people.
Ghelain Maxwell's family background.
No official confirmation.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I would expect Mossad.
I would expect, who's the guy named?
Naftali Bennett.
I would expect Naftali Bennett to come and say, yep, he had ties to Mossad.
We were using him to blackmail hypothetically American politicians.
We were using them to blackmail or extort or get our way into intelligence in Iran.
I would expect them to admit what would be diplomatic ties ending level stuff.
I'd expect Naftalia to admit that.
Acosta saying, I was told he was intelligence to leave him alone.
That would explain the sweetheart plea deal.
But, you know, we don't have a signed memo.
We don't have a paycheck.
Dear Jeffrey Epstein, thank you so much for your services.
Please enjoy this check.
Make sure to cash it and not spend it because it takes some time for the check to clear.
All right, people, we got to go do our locals after party because I'm going on with, I'm doing a 20-minute piece with Richard Surrett on his new YouTube show.
I'll share the link when I get it.
And we're talking about Epstein.
And tomorrow at noon, who am I going to be on with?
I forgot who it's going to be on with.
Tomorrow I'm going to be on with Redacted, talking about Epstein.
And in the hopes that the administration will change tact.
And at the very least, you know, transparency is transparency.
Transparency is not being shamed into silence.
And it's existential for the administration at this point in time.
There was one more.
Oh, by the way, before you leave, make sure that you subscribe and hit the notification button.
All of the clips are going to go on CommiTube afterwards.
No one's paying attention to what else is going on because of the Epstein drama.
Silver hits a 14-year high and crypto is way up.
So why?
T. Heights says, what if the feds no longer have the Epstein docs because they've turned them over for military tribunals?
So cash and den are not lying, but they can't say anything.
I think that's the likely explanation.
I think I've been saying that.
Like they don't have it in the FBI file.
If it's intelligence, they wouldn't have ever had it in the FBI file.
If it's deleted from the FBI file, there's only so many ways they could say it without saying it.
And that's where my money lies.
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News from BC Canada.
Remanded is coming on sooner than later.
I haven't forgotten Remanded.
Our crowdfund is $938 shy of our first goal to file a lawsuit with elections, British Columbia, and their admitted violations.
Give, send, go search BC lawsuit.
Let me do one better than that right now and bring it up.
Give, send, go, BC lawsuit, class action BC.
Let me see here.
Defending our rights and freedoms.
Tabak Nush.
Why can't I find an election?
Let me see if I can get this.
Dude, You should have just put the flipping link to the thing in there.
Remand it, DM or text me the link right now, and I'll bring it up before we end.
And I'll bring it up so that people can see it.
When the government went after Epstein, they would have had a search warrant.
It is a legal document in public record after search is mandatory to compete with form.
So find it says kicking.
So yeah, but what if the search warrant is like wildly limited in scope because Acosta didn't want to find anything?
But I'm going to try.
We'll see what I can do.
Family shopping says former, okay, so I got that.
Let me see if the Romantic is going to send me a link.
I think he did.
Here we go.
He sent me the link.
Good.
Excellent.
I'll bring it up right now, people.
Yeah, it's called BC Election Lawsuit Give, Send, Go.
Let me remove this and bring it back up here.
This is it.
Raised $9,082.
If you're interested in supporting Canadian justice, people, I'll give everybody the link right here.
Okay, here's the link.
Link.
Bada bing, bada-boom.
Thank you.
And I'll share it with our locals community as well right here.
Okay.
It's change tack, says Maddie Head over in our locals community.
Yes, I'm saying tacked, aren't I?
I don't boat very often.
I don't boot despite being Canadian.
Okay, Maddie Head says it's change tack because that's what you do with a boat.
I think it's tack with T-A-C, not T-A-C-K, but maybe I'm wrong.
Oh my God, y'all should make it.
Okay, fine.
All right, we did it.
We did it.
So now, by the way, because I use StreamYard today for our guests, I didn't want to have any headaches in terms of complications because sometimes StreamYard, you need a Rumble Studio, sometimes you need to download an app.
You can come and watch at vivabarnslaw.locals.com and it will not be behind a paywall today.
So that's the link.
And now as we find who we're going to raid, we're going to see who's live right now.
Come to Rumble, come to locals, vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
It is not behind a paywall.
And if you're not going to come, let us raid Kimberly Guilfoyle and ye shall join her party, which is going to be a good party.
Now I'm going to go like this.
Oh, I got to go to, okay, so hold on.
I go here.
I go forward slash raid and go raid Kim Guilfoyle and just tell her I said hi.
Confirm raid.
Let her know that Viva Raid has come.
But I would implore, if you come to viva barnslaw.locals.com today.
No paywall because it's through StreamYard.
And you can see if you like the community, you can hang around.
You can become a member.
And there's one more Rumble rant that came through.
It says, while we do this, come on over.
Share screen.
It says, there was a company that needed far suburban rural homes vacated, four suburban homes vacated, and demolished to make way for huge server farm locations.
Les Wexner and briefly Epstein were involved.
What was that carbine at 9-11?
I don't know, but it is kind of funny that with Ehud Barak's company, it was video streaming and geolocation, considering that Epstein was accused of video blackmail on Epstein Island and Manhattan.
It's interesting.
You don't have to use the same product to have some overlapping things right there.
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