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July 13, 2025 - Viva & Barnes

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Ep. 272: Epstein Debacle Continues! Federal Courts Still Going Rogue! Russia-Gate Exposed & MORE!

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	No golf voice intro to this week's show, July 13th, 2025.
	And I think we all remember exactly where we were July 13th, 2024.
	In case you forgot, I'm not playing the whole thing.
	Enough of it so that we can relive the abject insanity of that day.
	He was doing this job.
	I wanted to be doing this.
	I got some beautiful place.
	Look, they're all pointing.
	The Atlantic made me the Pacific.
	Yeah, someone's on top of the roof.
	There he is right there.
	Right there.
	See him?
	He's laying down.
	See him?
	Yeah, he's laying down.
	And still I'm here with you fighting like hell to get a sense of what's happening and to make sure we take back the one else because if we do, we're going to make America better than ever before.
	We're going to make it better.
	Yeah, look.
	And it's very easy.
	Because we have millions and millions of people in our country that shouldn't be here.
	Dangerous people.
	Criminals.
	We have criminals.
	We get on the roof.
	It's much tougher than it happened in the world.
	We had the strongest border ever.
	In recorded history, we had the best border.
	In fact, if they could ever put up a chart, I don't know if they can do it.
	Do you guys have access to that chart that I love so much?
	You don't mind if I go off teleprompter, do you?
	Because these teleprompters are so damn boring.
	I try and explain that.
	Oh, it is.
	Wow.
	You guys are doing it.
	They're getting better with time.
	My guys, take a look at that chart.
	Take a look at the arrow on the bottom.
	See the big red arrow, right?
	So that's when I left office.
	That was the lowest point, and that comes right from the government services, comes right out of Border Patrol.
	Take a look at that.
	So that arrow is the lowest amount of illegal immigration ever in recorded history into our country.
	And then the worst president in the history of our country took over.
	And look what happened to our country.
	Probably 20 million people.
	And you know, that's a little bit old, that joke.
	That joke, you're not one month old.
	And if you want to get a decision, please assist.
	Thank you.
	crash sad music
	We can stop it there.
	Two minutes and five seconds.
	Two minutes and five seconds where a threat was identified above and beyond the abject failures that led up to that moment in the first place.
	The Pac-Man perimeter, the suspicious man flying a drone, the kid with Rangefinder walking around the fairgrounds.
	This was a bona fide miracle.
	I remember exactly where I was.
	And this was a bona fide miracle.
	Like for all the world to see, anybody can say, all right, things happened, random acts happened, a butterfly flapping its wings in Indonesia, and the world is a different place than it is now.
	A year to the day.
	And instead of us celebrating the miracle of that day, we're bogged down, fighting over, talking about this Epstein debacle, which we're going to get into.
	It was a miracle, period.
	That miracle is not carte blanche to let everything slide, everything pass.
	People say it's a miracle.
	God saved Trump, and so therefore nobody gets to complain about anything he ever does for the rest of his presidency.
	It's divine presidency from here on in.
	I don't agree with that.
	But the bottom line, whereas today should be something of a day of celebration, it's not even a celebration.
	You thank whatever forces there are for the miracle.
	This is a year since Corey Comperator was murdered as he shielded his family from the spray of bullet fire from that guy.
	Two other Americans grievously wounded.
	It should be a day of some sort of solemn memory, to some extent, thanking the powers that be that that bullet did not catch Trump where it was supposed to, and we did not descend into World War III.
	And instead, we're sitting here fighting over.
	Now, hold on a second.
	I hear my voice somewhere in the background.
	Here we go.
	Okay, put it on pause here.
	I did want to, you know, we're going to go from the very solemn to, at the very least, something that might make everybody laugh.
	These baby things are hilarious.
	We're the thing, everything, every reply to every tweet, whatever the good news is, the reply is, what about the files?
	What about the files?
	And now we've got the AOCs of the world rejoicing in the debacle.
	We've got the, what's his name?
	Krassenstein Brothers.
	I haven't actually seen anything specific from the Krassensteins.
	I meant Harry J. Sisson.
	He's taking a little pause from asking young ladies to send titty pics on the internet.
	He's now jumped on the bandwagon.
	This, I'm told, is very funny.
	I only got about five seconds into it before, but let's have a bit of a laugh.
	And your memo and release yesterday in Jeffrey Epstein, it left some lingering mysteries.
	One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked for an American foreign intelligence agency.
	I did the former labor secretary, Miami U.S. Attorney Alex Collins.
	Oh, that's Marker Wood.
	He allegedly said that he did work for an intelligence agency.
	So could you resolve whether or not he did?
	And also, could you say why there was a minute missing person?
	Those are the cutest babies on earth.
	Yeah, sir.
	Could I just interrupt for a second?
	Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
	This guy's been talked about for years.
	You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things.
	Okay, I'm going to put on applause.
	That's enough.
	Oh, man.
	I don't think I'll ever get tired of the baby stuff.
	The baby videos, they're hilarious.
	The Joe Rogan with Theo Vaughan was the greatest one ever.
	It's amazing, but it also just reminds me of the movie Baby Boss, Boss Baby, whatever, the one with Alec Baldwin voiceover.
	We're going to get into all of this.
	Barris is joining us as a special guest tonight.
	Barnes is in the backdrop.
	He got back in time, but hold on before we even get started with tonight.
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	And someone told me to use ChatGPT.
	And interestingly enough, ChatGPT would not provide me with a good title to the effect of whether or not Trump should sue AOC for defamation for AOC calling him a rapist.
	We're going to talk about it because I think Trump should sue her ass off.
	But ChatGPT said, I'm sorry, I can't help you with that right now.
	I'm not allowed accusing anyone of allegedly.
	At first, I said, should he sue her?
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	Now let's talk about Epstein, people.
	Richard, Robert, I see you guys in the backdrop.
	I don't know what three is going to look like on screen.
	I might have to add like a perpetual, maybe I'll add the little video of the baby Trump and the baby journalist so that we have a symmetrical thing.
	But Barnes was supposed to be here a little late today, but he's going to be here on time, it looks like.
	And Richard Barris from the People's Pundit is here with us.
	So gentlemen, come on in and let's get ready to vent.
	Richard, how goes the battle?
	Living the dream as always, brother.
	How are you?
	Very good.
	Now, you're not in your studio right now.
	No, yeah, yeah, I am.
	I am.
	Okay, your backdrop looks like it's reflecting a mood of deep anger and rage.
	In truth, if I tilt it up a little bit, there are like these white triangles below and white triangles above.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, now I see it.
	Yeah.
	They're the soundproof, the soundproofing octagon thing.
	It is.
	A soundproofing octagon, which sometimes I color code.
	Well, I'll tell you one thing now.
	People are going to be superimposing you in various locations because I don't know if you can do a green screen as easily with a black screen.
	Richard, for those who don't know who you are, a lot of people are watching tonight.
	They might not know who you are.
	They should tell them who you are.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it says under the screen, no, it's not there.
	So yeah, otherwise known, probably better known.
	My real name is Rich, probably better known as the People's Pundit.
	I'm a pollster and election forecaster.
	At least that's how it all got started, Dave.
	The only one we trust, and well, I say nothing.
	There's a couple, but you have been the best.
	There are a couple good.
	You've been one of the best, if not outright the best.
	I'll show everyone your link.
	We've done a bunch of streams together.
	We don't need to get into how you got into polling, what the problems are, the inherent problems, but you've been very accurate on a great many things.
	I don't think you've made any massive blunders that would be culpable blunders.
	I'm not even sure where you've made any massive mistakes.
	You are particularly, you've been, I say MAGA is not a, it's not the right word anymore.
	You have been one of the most prominent vocal Trump supporters on earth.
	It hasn't tainted your objectivity, but you are coming at this level of frustration of what happened the last week, A, from a professional perspective and B, from, I guess, a personal perspective, because you very much like support and need to have faith in Trump, but are, I guess I won't put words in your mouth.
	What's been going on as a result of what happened last week?
	Yeah, I would actually characterize it like this, Dave.
	All right.
	I think, and especially in my industry, it's a lot like the media, where a certain group of people didn't really have a voice.
	So, you know, my job is to accurately reflect public opinion or try to gauge it, measure it, and then present it to everybody else in a meaningful context.
	Sometimes that means predicting elections.
	Sometimes that means, you know, analyzing what coalitions look like in electoral politics.
	But I really think, and I think that I pride myself on representing a voice in the country that turned out to become the MAGA coalition when other people in my profession could not do that.
	So just to be clear, while of course every pollster has a view and they're insulting you, pretending they're 100% impartial, the industry is dominated by leftists.
	And I certainly have my own views and they're Very supportive of Trump's policies, my first loyalty is to the people I speak to every day.
	And that's where that's the angle I'm coming from.
	So I think it is important for me to state that I think some people got something up a little bit.
	I don't sit around and simp for politicians.
	All right.
	My job is to accurately reflect the opinions of the people that I am speaking to.
	So I'm not carrying water for anybody or anything or any party.
	And I think that's where a lot of people got this messed up.
	You know, if you're going to be honest in this business, you're not even going to keep 50% of the public happy 100% of the time because that means you're not being honest.
	And that's it.
	That's where we are today.
	Now, we'll get into the news and we'll get into whether or not that truth post, depending on what the follow-up to it is.
	First post he ever put out.
	Okay, so let me let's politically damaging post he could possibly think to write.
	There was, I'm going to bring up the post actually, and I'm not going to, I'm not intending to fight with cat turd, and there's no but to that either.
	It's one of those situations now where like even when you disagree with people who you might otherwise have no problem with, everyone thinks it's infighting, everyone takes it very personally.
	He put out that truth social post.
	Let me pull it up.
	It was long, much longer than usual.
	Didn't have quite as many caps as usual.
	Is it?
	Yeah, it's right here.
	I'll bring up, I think it was Nick Sortor who had it, who had the decent one.
	What's going on with my, quote, boys and in some cases, quote, gals?
	They're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who's doing a fantastic job.
	We're on one team, MAGA, and I don't like what's happening.
	We have a perfect administration, the talk of the world, and quote, selfish people, and quote, are trying to hurt it, all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein.
	For years, it's Epstein over and over again.
	Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama, crooked, crooked Hillary?
	Sorry, I thought I said cooked by Hillary.
	Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration who conned the world with Russia, Russia, Russia, hoax, 51 intelligence agents, laptop from hell, and more.
	They created the Epstein files just like they created the fake Hillary Clinton, Christopher Steele, dossier that they used on me.
	And now my so-called quote friends, end quote, are playing right into their hands.
	Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the Epstein files?
	If there were anything in there that could have hurt MAGA movement, why didn't they use it?
	They have never given up.
	Ah, geez, they've never given up on the John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr.
	No matter how much success we have had, securing the border, deporting criminals, fixing the economy, energy dominance, a safer world where Iran will not have nuclear weapons.
	It's never enough for some people.
	We are about to achieve more in six months than any other administration has achieved in over 100 years, and we have so much more to do.
	We are saving our country and making America great again, which will continue to be our complete priority.
	The left is imploding.
	Cash Patel and the FBI must be focused on investigating voter fraud, political corruption, Act Blue, the rigged stolen election of 2020, and arresting thugs and criminals instead of spending month after month looking at nothing but the same old radical left-inspired documents on Jeffrey Epstein.
	Let Pam Bonte do her job.
	She's great.
	The 2020 election was rigged and stolen, and they tried to do the same thing in 2024.
	That's what she is looking into as AG and much more.
	One year ago, our country was dead.
	Now it's the hottest country anywhere in the world.
	Let's keep it that way and not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about.
	Thank you for your attention to this matter.
	Can't see the bottom of it because we're covering it up, but how do you measure?
	How do you gauge a response to that tweet?
	Because there is some disagreement as to whether or not it was ratioed on truth.
	Okay.
	He said so much.
	There's so much to unpack.
	But I will lead with it by saying this or bringing this back up for people who may not have heard it before or don't remember because he's since passed.
	And if he was here, I would have loved to get his take on this.
	But the late Rush Limbaugh was very good at explaining something, a dynamic between Trump and his voters that I used to struggle myself to try to explain to people.
	But he did it very eloquently.
	And I'm just going to pretty much mimic what he said because there's nothing I could add that could top it.
	To try to tell media folks and corporations and all these opposite, you know, these op four to Donald Trump over the years that try to take him down.
	You cannot break the bond that Donald Trump has with his voters.
	It doesn't matter what you come up with, the Billy Bush tape, Russia hoax, Russia hoax 1.0, 2.0.
	It's a futile effort.
	The only person who can break that bond is the man himself.
	And by doing, and Rush never really elaborated on how he can do that.
	But I am telling you, standing here, there is nobody in this country that has studied the Trump voter more than I have.
	There's nobody who's conducted more interviews with these people than I have.
	Nobody who has ferreted out the Trump or bust voter and why they do, what inspires them to come out and vote for him when they will vote for nobody else.
	And I am telling you that post walked dangerously close to the line of breaking that bond because what it did was what all other politicians do when they cannot answer something to their voters honestly or intellectually.
	And that's insult them, you know, and basically say, you know what, I'm telling you there's nothing here, move on as if they don't remember him promising.
	Why do they constantly bring up the Epstein files?
	Dave, he brought up the Epstein files on the campaign trail over and over and over again.
	And the reason why Epstein, which he knew himself, he was smart enough, the reason why he knew and he used it is because he understood it was a powerful proxy issue from that that spoke to the ruling classes constant protecting of their own and not being able to hold accountable who these people see to be the real dark forces in this society and the ones who are really putting their government at risk.
	And the number, there are two reasons why Trump or bus voters voted for Donald Trump and don't vote for others.
	One, Trump had to convince them of and he did and he overcame it.
	Swamp, swamp the fraud, swamp the vote, come out in big numbers because they always had this fear it didn't matter.
	They would just cheat so their votes didn't matter.
	He overcame that.
	The second one is, and it's very simple: it doesn't matter who I vote for, nothing ever changes.
	The powerful never get held accountable.
	It doesn't matter who's in power, which party is in power.
	It doesn't matter if it's the Republicans or the Democrats.
	They will just let them get away with it.
	And within a couple of weeks, you saw P. Diddy get off.
	You saw this guy, you know, we're told to move on from this.
	It's not a big issue to me personally, although I see how people view it to be a proxy, but it was a big issue to a very important group of his base, the same way that Iran was a big issue to a very important part of his base.
	And what the Trump administration and the sycophants are doing right now is basically trying to browbeat all of these people who have questions, who have concerns about the direction the administration is going and telling them to shut up and move on.
	That's not a majority issue.
	Well, you know what?
	You're about to 5% your way to a sad ass plurality.
	That's what you're about to do because this one's only 5%.
	This one's only 10%.
	This one's only 15%.
	Nope, that adds up to 20% when you put them all together, Dave, right?
	So you can't just keep dismissing the voices of these people.
	And the second reason why that kind of a footing will fall flat is because Democrats are not that stupid.
	The Epstein files are not a Democrat creation.
	It was a Republican administration that gave Jeffrey Epstein a sweetheart deal.
	He would then go on to nominate and get him confirmed the very lawyer who gave him a sweetheart deal.
	And the last secretary of labor is Alexander Costa, of course, who was forced to resign in disgrace when Epstein was arrested for that final time before he died in prison, however that may have ended up.
	But this idea that Democrats are just going to, you know, they're just not going to have an opening for attacks and the optics of this don't look terrible is just ridiculous.
	And you're only going to have, I don't even want to say the most loyal, because that's not an accurate description.
	The most loyal of Trump's supporters do care about this.
	They do.
	The most loyal of Trump's supporters are not all, I don't, I'm not saying this or using this word to be insulting, but I mean, you have people who question and you have sycophants.
	And, you know, I saw what happened in the first administration when the sycophants were just like running free.
	It doesn't end well.
	All right.
	So, I mean, you can, you can poo-poo your, you know, the concerns of these people all you want.
	You will end up in a sad ass plurality and the Republicans will get crushed in 26.
	JD, you want to be president?
	Not at this rate.
	You're going to get your kicked by the time this is over.
	And that's the reality.
	And by the way, they know that.
	So while all these people cheerlead and clap like a bunch of seals on Twitter and call this one anti-Semite and call this one, you know, some paid influencer shill, by the way, all those people supported DeSantis.
	And before that, they supported Ted Cruz.
	So it's hilarious that they're the new standard bearers of MAGA.
	They're going to cheerlead you right into the ground.
	40%, by the way.
	That has been the minimum strong disapproval for Donald Trump's job as president among independents since he bombed Iran.
	And it hasn't come down since.
	That's the reality.
	Well, hold on.
	I'll get two things in, Barnes.
	How you doing?
	Barnes looks.
	You got to pay some bills, bro.
	On the way to the Pizza Club World Cup event, I got Trump right by me on the way there to slow down.
	And then on the way back, and he was right above me seating-wise.
	I was going to lean up to him and say, Donald, could you show me some of those Epstein files?
	So, yeah, it's been an interesting week, interesting culmination to the week.
	But second, everything Barris says, what people don't understand is that this is a, for some people, it's an issue of its own accord.
	For many others, it's a proxy.
	It's a filter.
	I'll give Glenn Beck credit, to my surprise to some degree.
	Glenn Beck was like, people are looking at this as a way of knowing whether or not they can have trust in our government anymore, whether they can have trust in this administration, whether the radical transparency promised.
	And all of these people that are in cabinet positions said they were going to do something about the Epstein docs and the Epstein files.
	Pam Bondi said so.
	Bondino said so.
	Cash Patel said so.
	Alina Haba said so.
	Now, I always had doubts about whether they really understood the Epstein files because it seemed like they were glamming onto it for getting credibility in MAGA, but seemed a little over their head about understanding the scale of it.
	But this has been the president.
	The president's presidency sits at a point's edge, and it could completely collapse in the next month if he doesn't fix things like the Epstein files.
	And if he takes the bait on what Bibi Netanyahu is here for, which is another continued war with Iran and more conflict in the Middle East, and what loser Lindsey Graham, the only guy he's obsessively promoting right now for office while he's going against and demonizing Thomas Massey, who wants him to impose 500% sanctions on the world, which would basically screw us.
	It would jack up oil prices, double, triple, quadruple.
	All of a sudden, all these success.
	Richard's exactly right.
	This should have been a celebratory week.
	You've got great wage reports.
	You've got great job reports.
	You've got the tax bill you needed through.
	You've got the spending on immigration you needed through.
	You're getting massive self-deportation.
	This was supposed to, and instead you blow it, bringing Bibi into town, pretending somehow that's going to help you get a peace prize.
	There's nobody more disliked on the global stage than Bibi Netanyahu.
	And Trump doesn't understand this.
	People don't, Richard and I, who have all defended Israel at various times in the past, have been pointing out is Israel is a political pariah.
	I'm here in New York City.
	Mamdani, the Democratic nominee, won because he ran in the election day was right during the Iranian attack.
	New York City, which you don't have to look up what Jesse Jackson called New York City, New York City is the one that's voting for the anti-Israeli candidate.
	People, the Trump administration is at dangerous risk of getting dragged into what Richards pointed out repeatedly.
	No presidency wins their presidency on foreign policy, but lots of presidents lose their presidency on foreign policy.
	Trump is getting dragged into these needless, these sideshows and things that could just devastate his administration by taking apart and picking apart and picking off constituency after constituency within MAGA.
	Libertarians, screw you.
	Anti-war people, screw you.
	Israel skeptics, screw you.
	Epstein directed people, screw you.
	Transparency people, this is not a way to win.
	While he's at a great economic position, a great legislative position, it is mind-boggling to witness Trump almost blow up his presidency because he decided to hitch his wagon to B.B. Netanyahu.
	I want to say two things to that.
	First of all, it should have been a week of success.
	And instead, it's turned into an abject disaster.
	And when you mentioned the Diddy trial, Rich, still having Maureen Comey on that trial for whatever the reason.
	And then when you talk about alienating the basics, the number of responses I've seen to tweets that are critical but respectful, mine.
	I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
	I'm not trying to criticize to take down.
	I'm really trying to criticize to save.
	The amount of replies saying, what are you going to do?
	Let the Democrats win the midterms is like the browbeating into saying, well, you better vote regardless of how angry you get.
	And they don't understand that they don't need to vote for the Democrats in order to lose.
	They just won't turn out to vote for Trump.
	And I think that's the deterrent.
	What is the percentage, give or take, of an electorate that might just not show up to vote anymore?
	I got to, because the answer to that is different whether we're talking about a midterm or we're talking about the next presidential election.
	Because by the way, for anyone who doubts that, all you have to go do is look at the president's own post on True Social and go look at the replies.
	Some of them are incredibly respectful, but they're on the edge.
	They're on the edge.
	Like, look, this was not negotiable for us.
	This is about holding the deep state accountable.
	This is about accountability in a very dark government.
	You're not delivering on that.
	So with all due respect, Mr. President, like, you know, I'm not going to just let this one go.
	Go look at the replies yourself.
	All weekend, all we heard is, I told you, see, it doesn't matter who I vote for.
	That's what we are hearing from people.
	Nothing ever changes.
	It doesn't matter.
	When you're looking at the Trump or bust voter, all right, you were the difference, Dave, between losing an election by like three points in a typical electoral.
	And actually, I know Pew had a little bit different of result, but it basically concluded what we did, which is that if it was a normal presidential electorate, Harris would have won that popular vote anywhere between like one and three points.
	If everybody would have come out to vote, all of the people that are still targets that are right-leaning or Trump-leaning really is the more accurate way to say it.
	Trump would have won this election by at least five points on a national level.
	It would have been nine o'clock at night where Dunn go home.
	And he won pretty over.
	He won.
	It was a strong win.
	Don't get me wrong, but there was more out there to go get is my point.
	So coming out of 24, the number one goal for the Republican Party was to keep these people on board and continue to reach out to the population that does care about this stuff.
	They don't think that, you know, having, I released this poll a couple of weeks ago.
	A quarter of these people, Dave, don't believe we should have any role in the Middle East whatsoever, let alone one that decides who can and cannot have a nuclear weapon.
	They don't believe anyway, move on.
	The Middle East is going to be fine, right?
	Same thing with other parts of the world.
	When you're looking at Kim Jong-un as a more developed nuclear program, why aren't we screaming from the rooftops?
	He was yesterday's maniac.
	Why isn't he a vital national security threat?
	See, the big problem is that a lot of people take these normal people as stupid people.
	And they're not stupid.
	They're just disenfranchised.
	They're disgruntled.
	And they're busy trying to make a living in a world that's hard for them to have.
	And by the way, 60 years, best wage growth in 60 years completely overshadowed by bombing Iran, right?
	So you're stepping on your own successes for things that are not core promises that you made to this part of your coalition that matters.
	Honestly, you're talking about not being, I think the bombing, and you're asking me for specific numbers, and I'll give them to you, bro.
	The bombing of Michigan cost him the state.
	I mean, the bombing of Iran costs him the state of Michigan.
	It's done.
	All right.
	If we were to have an election today, Donald Trump would have lost, would lose the state of Michigan to Kamala Harris.
	You're not getting back all of those voters in Dearborn.
	How's that mayor ever going to look into his Lebanese constituents' faces and tell them, again, support Donald Trump?
	They can't do that.
	You know, Saginaw, Macomb, you're looking at several, you know, three to five point declines.
	You do that all across southeastern Michigan, and you're looking at a solid three-point loss.
	I mean, that's where he's at right now.
	Wisconsin was a hair on a donkey's butt, bro.
	I mean, he barely won that state to begin with.
	He needs all of northwestern Lumberjack country, you know, Bayfield, Douglas, right?
	Ashland.
	He needs all of those counties at 43 to 45% in order to carry that state.
	Other Republicans can't do it.
	He can.
	Why?
	Because it's the birthplace of progressive labor and they care more about wages and trade and not getting into wars, not bombing the Middle East, right?
	Transparency in government.
	So they cross over and they'll vote for a populist candidate like Donald Trump.
	Ron Johnson does well there too.
	That's why he's able to hold on.
	But after these like piling up failure, I don't know.
	You know, I mean, this Wisconsin maybe have a little bit more resilience in a state like Michigan, but probably not, Dave.
	And you're probably looking at those too as well.
	So, I mean, it's not just how much you would have lost from 2024.
	It's the fact that going into this midterm, you're going to have the low propensity base compared to Democrats who have now the higher propensity voting base, more educated, whiter, older.
	They're already going to have a turnout edge.
	You can't afford to piss off one person that cares about the Epstein issue.
	You can't afford to turn away one anti-war voter.
	You're already at a disadvantage.
	So, I mean, at this point, the situation is already dire.
	And by the way, I texted you earlier before we came on.
	This is the first Democratic lead on the generic ballot we're finding since Trump became president.
	Right now, it's looking like Democrat plus two, which is an Absolute disaster.
	A two-point House vote win is their majority plus some.
	Yeah.
	And not only that, I mean, I would say that right now the Senate races are, even the Senate that looked really promising for Republicans is now at risk.
	If Trump does the Lindsey Graham 500% sanctions that would drastically increase, there would be an oil shock equal to OPEC 1973, it will destroy his presidency.
	If he gets dragged into a ground war in Ukraine or a ground war in Iran or anywhere else, he will lose his presidency.
	And the issue of Epstein is a credibility filter, and he keeps screwing it up.
	And people saying, oh, let's just pretend he's not screwing it up.
	Let's all, you know, let's do the cacturred version of TDS.
	What that did, Richard and I were the only people screaming early 2020, President Trump, do not take the bait on closing down the country.
	Do not take the bait on listening to Anthony Fauci and turning over policy to him.
	And even retweeted me, said he wasn't going to do it.
	And then a week later, he got coerced into doing it.
	Those of us that were screaming about it, said it could endanger his presidency, were right.
	All the yes men, all the sycophants who think they're supporting the president by just saying yes, Mr. President, no matter what he says, even if he says the opposite of something, all of a sudden they're yes, Mr. President, they're not helping the president.
	They're hurting the president because they're putting him in direct harm's way.
	You want to keep him out of harm's way.
	You want to keep MAGA out of harm's way.
	And that means you've got to divorce yourself from Bibi and Israel, divorce yourself from Ukraine, divorce yourself from the war whores and the deep state crowd.
	Don't go around screaming how wonderful Lindsey Graham is and how terrible Thomas Massey is every day.
	This makes Trump look like the idiot.
	Trump look like the guy who's out of touch.
	The Trump White House that's disconnected.
	Now, I get him coming to, and to your earlier point, Viva, go back and look at the history of Trump's tweets or truths, especially on truths.
	He has never had as negative a ratio as he did on this statement.
	It was categoric, basically universal, save and except for some spam.
	I want to bring this one up because this is what I don't think people truly understand.
	Fuck that.
	Dems are no better than Republicans.
	Let's just say Dems are worse than Republicans.
	The issue is that you're not going to get a MAGA supporter to vote for the Dems now.
	They're just not going to vote.
	That doesn't work for them.
	And a lot of working class men are reasonable.
	They will vote for someone like Memdani because he's now the change agent.
	He's now the reform guy.
	He's now the anti-establishment guy.
	Rocana is now using this as an issue.
	The left populist movement, he is gifting them.
	He's making the Democratic Party anti-war again, which I'm all in favor of.
	But politically, it's bad news for Republicans to be, he doesn't need to look like Donald W. Bush.
	And right now, he looks like Donald W. Bush, even though that hasn't been the substance of his goals, because he keeps getting distracted needlessly.
	And this was the biggest own goal in history.
	It doesn't matter what your excuse was.
	Let's say you looked at the file and nothing that you thought was there would be there.
	Well, one, how do you know it didn't used to be there?
	How do you know that the people, there's no way Dam Bondi is being honest.
	When she said she reviewed all the videotapes, no one believes her.
	She didn't review the file.
	And everybody knows she didn't review the file, just like she's hardly reviewed any other file.
	She finally got to dismiss, to her credit, the Dr. Moore prosecution, but it should have never got here.
	And she's like, golly gee, I just discovered this.
	How long have you been Attorney General?
	I mean, how do you just find out six months in?
	I mean, I'm going to be like Richard Barris.
	I'm going to have rant after rant tonight, but this is just ridiculousness.
	I mean, this is absurd.
	This is incompetence.
	Incompetence.
	And it starts at the top.
	The commander-in-chief is being incompetent in how he's handling this matter.
	And Swampy Susie Wiles is not the answer.
	And Pam Blondie, Pam Barbie ain't the answer.
	Let me just.
	Oh, God.
	I was just.
	I just want to bring this one up.
	Fat fingers.
	I can't get my.
	Barnes has always been anti-Trump.
	It's the same.
	Imagine the world you have to be in to fancy yourself to believe that.
	I heard all this during COVID.
	We both heard it during COVID.
	Oh, you're not really being a Trump loyalist.
	You don't.
	You're not loyal to Trump by letting his entire administration go off a cliff's edge.
	You're the traitor when you just cheerlead rather than say, hey, you're near the cliff, Mr. President.
	Don't jump off it.
	Can I just point out, Dave, I mean, before you were having a conversation, I don't know if you saw my response to it or my reply to it, but you before were trying to have a debate on X with a guy who was a sycophant last administration, literally argued against Robert Nye saying Robert Mueller is not a good guy.
	This is not some 4D chess.
	This is not a fake prosecution against Michael Flynn.
	The guy is going to give up his family home, which is the only thing he has to his name after nearly 40 years of service to the country because they're out to get him.
	Robert Mueller isn't some white hat 4D chess game.
	These are the morons that are making accusations like that.
	Why?
	Because he read it off a 4chan post?
	Come on, guys.
	This is not very serious debate.
	The numbers are the numbers.
	It's not my opinion what I'm telling you.
	I mean, this is, I wish there was some way to couch this in veteran news, but it is, I'm not coming up with these suggestions because I don't know these voters.
	I know these people.
	I've been spending years talking with them.
	Nobody, nobody knows them like I know them.
	They are sitting out and David Pluffin, Axarod, by the way, never would have thought in a million years, they never would have dreamed that the Ohio River Valley Obama voter would then turn around and vote for Donald Trump.
	Not once, twice, but three times.
	People change loyalties.
	Not everyone's partisan, like viewers are partisan.
	It's not like that in the real world.
	I presume you were talking about, I don't know him to know that he's a foe that I should be rude with him.
	I wouldn't even give him any more credit.
	Bill Mitchell, he says those secrets.
	Oh, Bill Mitchell is the biggest moron on the planet.
	He's flipped.
	Remember, he'd be, here's the other thing that should be a warning sign to Trump.
	All the people that campaigned against him in the 2016 primary and campaigned against him in the 2024 primary are the ones that are saying Epstein is just fine.
	Bill Mitchell was a huge dissimp.
	Dave Rubin, Dave, I didn't, apparently, according to Dave Rubin's report, I'm going to get Baba in more trouble now.
	according to Dave at the Rubin report, nothing happened with Epstein this week.
	I think there was one brief news story.
	Otherwise, he pretended it didn't exist.
	Mark Levin is out there saying, oh, there's nothing to see here.
	So all the people who hated Trump, all the people that hated MAGA, all the war whores are saying there's nothing to see here.
	That means there's definitely something to see here.
	And God bless Trump.
	He keeps, he's doing the Barbara Streisand effect on steroids.
	He's saying, whatever you do, there's nothing to see here.
	There's nothing to see here.
	Right now, you go, embarrasses Pauli.
	We'll probably show this later on.
	A majority of Americans now think President Trump is criminally implicated in the Epstein case.
	That's what happens when you screw this up.
	This is incompetency times.
	I know somebody else.
	I know somebody else who's polling the exact same question.
	We are doing a word cloud.
	We're going to show on the show tomorrow.
	It looks bad.
	Even if there is nothing there, it's how it was handled.
	And he could have gotten around that because YouGov's not going to be alone.
	There are other people that I know polled this this weekend and they think he's in it.
	I can actually understand people who are so dismayed, but they don't want to criticize, so they remain silent.
	I wouldn't fault anybody for that.
	But to get back to Bill Mitchell's tweet, just to appreciate the moving goalpost, we're not dumb, we're not blind.
	Those seeking to divide MAG over Epstein don't seem to understand what's at stake.
	If we lose the midterms, the Democrats will end the filibuster and Trump's presidency is over.
	America is over.
	That's browbeating and shaming.
	But then just to satisfy your curiosity over evidence that was destroyed years ago, like this is where it went from the file's on my desk.
	There's thousands of videos.
	We're going to release it in phases.
	The file's not there.
	And now I don't remember hearing Trump ever say that the file was destroyed, which many of us were asking for a very long period of time.
	Like it was my issue with what Bondi was saying.
	And it was my issue with Bongino and Patel ostensibly relying on the file they inherited.
	I'm like, it's a corrupt file.
	The argument was not that it's a corrupt file.
	The argument was that there's nothing more we can do, I guess, right now.
	And now they're saying for literally the first time I've ever heard Trump say it, the file's been corruptly, permanently destroyed.
	Nothing to see here after he was the one talking about it for the better part of a decade.
	I feel like I'm being gaslit and I don't feel like that very often.
	Yeah, I mean, maybe Robert wants to take that more because I'm sure he's got more knowledge on the case overall.
	I'm just telling you optically, you know, how this looks.
	And I mean, if that was the case, that's all he had to say.
	If it was implicating a bunch of people to the point where they were worried about how this would affect society, that's all you would have had to say.
	The number, the degree or the latitude that voters, Trump's voters are willing to give him, it's not infinite, but man, it's something to behold.
	All you would have had to say was something along those lines.
	But you know, because I'm sure you've been following, you both have been following, that is not what Pam Bondi said when she went on Jesse Waters.
	That is not the posture the administration took when they had to repeatedly respond to Robert's tweets on X, right?
	Dan Bongino was like in lockstep with those, you know, with her until just a few weeks ago, because he's smart enough to know their position is not, it's not, it's unattainable.
	You can't sit there forever and hold this posture and expect people just to get over it.
	And by the way, he's not alone.
	Other people do realize how bad this is for him.
	It's the optics of it.
	It doesn't matter to the average voter.
	And I have to explain this to people.
	You need these people to win.
	He's going on and on about like, if you don't shut up, Dave, we're going to lose the midterms.
	No, dummy, you're going to lose the midterms anyway.
	You've already lost.
	Democrats have the higher propensity vote.
	You need all of these people you're trying to browbeat now in a submission to come out and vote to change the dynamics of a midterm electorate.
	I know some guys like this are just too stupid to understand numbers like this, but you're on your way to a two to six point drumming anyway.
	You're going to lose 30 seats.
	You need these people to change the makeup of the district in a midterm electorate.
	It's not good enough.
	Trump's not on the ballot anymore.
	He's not on the ballot.
	You're not getting the turnout you got in the presidential year.
	And by the way, I'm not alone.
	Go look at Pew.
	They just said the same thing.
	2018, you're cooked.
	A 2020 electorate, you're cooked.
	You need a recreation, if not an improvement, over the 24 electorate in order to even hold the damn house.
	Otherwise, you're done.
	Yeah, correct.
	Exactly.
	To Tiberius' point, no matter what you think about the Epstein docs, no matter what you think about Trump, if you care about the administration having any degree of success domestically or globally, you need a different answer on Epstein than this.
	It's that simple.
	I mean, you could see the tone deafness with the press secretary at the end of the week putting out a photo of Trump and Bibi saying, what a great opportunity for the Nobel Peace Prize.
	Folks, you may love Bibi Nanyahu.
	I can tell you, Bibi Netanyahu is hated around the world.
	He's underwater with the American Republican Party.
	He has net negative.
	I get there are people out there that like him.
	They're boomer cons.
	God bless them.
	I know many of them.
	I understand why.
	I respect their opinions.
	But I'm pointing out that's not the political reality anymore.
	This is not the 1980s.
	Imagine thinking, the press secretary, that that was a great, look at his photo with Trump and BB.
	Now he's going to get the Nobel Peace Prize.
	No, now he's guaranteed to never get it.
	I mean, this is the degree of disconnect.
	So it's at multiple levels.
	It's not just the Epstein files and what it means and what it doesn't mean.
	It's how everything's been handled.
	It's been handled in the most incompetent manner because it communicates lack of transparency and most importantly, lack of intelligence.
	No one's ever accused Trump of being dumb.
	Nobody smart has.
	But plenty of people have wondered about Pam Bondi's political IQ.
	And after this week, you should have no doubts.
	She doesn't have any.
	So, I mean, this is the problem is that those of us that are worried about this are voicing concerns, not because we don't want MAGA to succeed, not because we don't want Trump to succeed.
	It's because we do.
	And because this is when I went ballistic, when Richard and I went ballistic on COVID, we knew the risk and we were right.
	And all the critics were dead wrong.
	They can send their apologies courtesy of Eviva from.
	I see somebody pointing out: we're an anti-Semitic channel now, so the odds, on Inside the Numbers, on other people's, on television, on podcasts.
	We have been steward.
	I don't even, that's not even the right word.
	We have been solid, earnest defenders of Israel against the Palestinian cause.
	There is no doubt about that.
	There is countless hours of tape to prove that.
	But you can't allow any nation, it doesn't matter if it's Israel or Ukraine or anybody, to set the agenda for your country and to determine whether or not a party is or is not successful or a presidency is or is not successful.
	Trump was not elected to make sure Iran didn't get nuclear weapons.
	Exactly.
	To Richard's point, look at what happened at the turning point movement, turning point meeting this past weekend.
	These are all young Normie conservatives, part of Charlie Kirk's turning point group, but they are driven by populism.
	And what happened when Tucker Carlson went up there and said the Epstein docs are being hidden, that that's wrong, and he condemned it.
	And he said the reason they're hiding it is to protect Israel.
	The entire crowd cheered.
	It was one of the loudest cheers of the whole conference.
	This is what I've been trying to tell Mike Davis.
	Love him.
	Great guy.
	Does great work on legal work.
	He's pretending the Epstein docs have no significance.
	He's pretending, it's like, this is why you made the mistake on Amy Coney Barrett.
	God bless you, Mike, is that because you didn't listen to what's happening in the rest of the course of public opinion.
	You didn't look at it holistically.
	Young people are not interested in us going off and dying for more stupid wars or wasting money on it.
	And they're not interested in covering up for career criminals, even if those career criminals implicate MI6, the CIA, and Israel.
	And let's be honest, that's the only reason to do what they did this week.
	The timing, the only explanation for the timing was BB coming on Monday.
	That's the only explanation for why they rushed this out on a Sunday where nobody could sign it.
	Now, I mean, I had doubts about the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blant.
	And now those doubts are at the top level.
	You thought this was a brilliant idea, Todd?
	You should just resign now, go back to corporate law work because it's obviously the only thing you're good at.
	Because this was a disaster.
	At least Vongino, to his credit, whether he signed off or didn't, realized how this was being handled was a disaster and was saying, we need to fix it now.
	And instead, Bondi throws him under the bus and then suddenly wakes up to at least a few of the cases that are out there.
	So it's Leo, why would you not disclose anything?
	Why would you disclose no financial records, no videotapes, no travel logs, no itineraries, nothing of any of the associations?
	The only reason you would do that is if you're scared that it randomly impacts an intelligence agency, that you're like, we don't know who Mossad blackmailed or who they did.
	We don't, I bet Ratcliffe, I'm not becoming a fan of it at the moment.
	Steve Bannon has concerns.
	So do I. Did he share everything?
	As Mike Benz has pointed out, did the CIA produce everything that they have on Epstein?
	Did the State Department?
	There is no way Epstein's name isn't all over State Department cables going back 40 years.
	You're talking about a guy that was involved in gun running on Iran Contra for crying out loud.
	He helped facilitate the money.
	I have a hush, hush up at NevaBarnesLaw.locals.com about Robert Maxwell.
	If you understand Robert Maxwell, you understand Jeffrey Epstein.
	And if you understand that, you understand an honest reveal of the files will implicate the CIA, MI6, KGB, and Mossad.
	Definitely Mossad.
	That's whose prime ministers kept visiting this high school, this college dropout who nobody can explain how he became a billionaire.
	So Trump trying to gaslight us only makes him look like the idiot, him look like the phony, him look like the fraudster.
	I don't believe Trump is that.
	That's why he's got to reverse course.
	Appoint a special counsel to do everything Epstein related.
	Do somebody like Matt Gates, who's totally unafraid.
	And time to move on from Swampy Susie's recommendations.
	Time to move on from Pam Blondie.
	I mean, Cash Matel is redeemable.
	Dan Bongino is redeemable.
	Pam Bondi at this point is not.
	No one is ever going to trust her again.
	Hey, come in.
	Here, I got this huge portfolio of Epstein docs and come influence her and go out and let me destroy all your credibility because they're fake docs.
	They're docs that have always been public.
	I'm sorry.
	She's too big.
	She's too dumb to continue to be in a Trump White House that prides itself on intelligence and competence.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I just need to come to Barnes's defense.
	I had never, the degree to which Barnes protected Israel or defended Israel back in the day or calling him Jewish Zionist.
	I'm like, Barnes isn't even Jewish.
	And it was the first time I'd ever heard it.
	They said, you don't have to be a Jew to be Jew-ish.
	So anybody calling Barnes an anti-Semite, you're an idiot.
	Anybody calling Barnes anti-Trump, you're an idiot.
	But I'm taking notes because I want to remember all of that.
	But that's all they got, though.
	See, that's the thing, Dave.
	They can't answer any of the actual arguments.
	So they're sounding like Democrats.
	I had to reply before.
	I had a buddy who became an actor.
	I don't want to get into it.
	I don't want to get him in trouble.
	But, you know, Will Wheaton had put together that Hollywood list for people all through Hollywood to block on social media.
	And I started realizing I'm blocked by John Cusack and John Favreau.
	I don't know why these guys are blocking me.
	As it turns out, that's why, because that's what leftists do.
	They create lists.
	You now have Trump advisors posting on X. Maybe we should create a list of people that are fake MAGA influencers to block.
	I mean, this is what happens when you fail at replying to an argument.
	You are reduced to making accusations or to blocking or whatever it may be.
	Look, as a public opinion guy, which is again, I think I give the most value here, the people who are running around calling everybody anti-Semitic, you are not doing Israel, Netanyahu, any favors.
	You already have half of the country that is damn near anti-Semitic.
	It's growing like crazy on the left.
	The only ones you even had remotely left to defend them against those anti-Semites are people like Robert and I. And you're now, and by the way, you know who's the most negative on Israel and on Netanyahu on the right?
	Voters under 50.
	So keep it up.
	You're going to have nobody left to defend you.
	And everyone is going to sit back while your real enemies come for you, which is, by the way, what's going to happen to Pam Bondi.
	Did you see a Miami Herald a couple of days ago?
	Now all of a sudden they're digging up the connections with Pfizer and the corruption cases, the bribery cases with China and with Mexico.
	And oh, by the way, who else was involved with that?
	Susie.
	So once they're done chipping away his real supporters and MAGA and they don't care anymore enough to come to his defense, then they're going to come.
	And they're not going to have people like Robert or I or anybody else who has been honest brokers here.
	They're not going to have them rushing to their aid.
	So the wolves will come right through the door for them.
	So they'll second think this little strategy of theirs.
	No, no, I keep thinking of like, you know, the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.
	And I today, like dealing with the barrage of stupid comments on Twitter, like I'm half inclined to, okay, fine, I'll move on to something else and you'll inherit what's going to happen regardless.
	And you know, about the right acting like the left, it's an amazing thing.
	Like the left says, everybody I don't like is Hitler.
	Right now, it's like everybody who criticizes Trump, they've made the decision.
	They're going to accuse them of being the pedo protectors.
	So the people who are objecting to the fact that this Epstein file seems to be getting covered up again, they're the ones saying, I'm not letting the pedo up.
	I'll put on the record.
	It is being covered up.
	It is being covered up.
	There's simply no doubt about it.
	Take no word from Alan Dershowitz, a strong Israeli defender, someone who was falsely accused of things connected to Epstein.
	Because of that, he had to litigate it.
	He said, one, there is a list.
	So Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, when they say there's not a list, they are lying.
	I'm not going to tolerate this just because they're from the Trump administration.
	Sorry, no go.
	And the second aspect of this is that he saw the list.
	He saw the list.
	He knows exactly what the list is and how many people are on it.
	So this idea that there isn't a list, that there's nothing we can put together.
	They're equivocating about the definition of a list.
	I mean, that's what they're doing.
	They're equivocating.
	This was written by a lawyer to have legalese to weasel out.
	This is terrible.
	There was nothing.
	One, it was a bunch of lies and fraud.
	That's why nobody would sign it.
	Todd Blanche's like, oh, everybody.
	It's not even a tiny difference.
	Oh, really, Todd?
	Why didn't you sign it, you fraud?
	Why didn't you sign it?
	Trump doesn't give you immunity to come and lie to the American people to cover up for foreign governments and our own intelligence agencies committing massive crimes against the American people.
	Let me read Todd Blanche's tweet, which was on Friday, and I replied to it.
	I think it is right there.
	I think it qualifies as a ratio.
	I got 700 retweets to his 2,500.
	He says, I worked closely with FBI Director Cash and FBI Bongino on the joint DOJ memo regarding Epstein files.
	All of us signed off on the contents of the memo and the conclusions stated in the memo.
	The suggestion by anyone that there was any daylight between the FBI and DOJ leadership on this memo's composition and release is patently false.
	If Bongino ends up, then why?
	If Bongino ends up actually walking out of the White House, that statement is a lie.
	I just said, by the way, the problem is nobody signed off on it, literally.
	Exactly.
	I mean, Blanche is just a liar.
	The statement is a lie.
	Everybody knows Epstein.
	So why did Epstein get, how did Epstein get all of his money?
	Why can't Todd Blanche explain that?
	So Todd, you reviewed the whole file, eh?
	You believe it.
	Come on our show and we'll do a little cross-examination.
	You won't hold up for five seconds.
	You won't even have the guts of the Cajonists to come on this show because you know what a lion fraud you are.
	I'm done with these people.
	You don't do this to the American people.
	They have put so much faith and hope in Trump as their last hope.
	They have given up on American politics, many of them.
	They think that they're liars and traitors who steal their jobs and kill their kids.
	And they're done with it.
	Trump promised to be different.
	This is not being different.
	This is being Deb Bush.
	I didn't vote for Jeb Bush.
	These people will be gone forever.
	I'm just going to say if this keeps up, and honestly, I'm not even sure how you get some of them back that you've already lost.
	The biggest dips that we've seen so far are among black men who voted for Donald Trump, Hispanic men who voted for Donald Trump.
	I used to tell Robert all the time, just shocked, shocked by how many in the other category, right?
	Muslim, self-identified, religious voters, just these voting blocks that you never see support a Republican candidate.
	Just blown away by this for years, Dave, leading up into the going through the Republican primary.
	And by the way, while all of Ron DeSantis' pollsters called us fake and blah, blah, and lobbed all these accusations at us, totally right.
	These are the people that were always going to be the most difficult to keep.
	And the number one priority of the Trump administration, the Republican Party overall in total, was to keep these people and build on these people.
	They will disappear into the ether for forever.
	I mean, not for, nothing's forever in politics, but they are not going to rise again for a Republican.
	They'll rise again for somebody on the populist left.
	And they'll give them a chance 10 years from now.
	Just like, by the way, a lot of Ross Perot's old coalition voters did for Barack Obama when he came out of nowhere in 08.
	So the major problem with people who think they're pundits and think they're political analysts and they know about all the numbers and the coalitions is that when they're looking in the mirror, they think the person that they see back in their own reflection is like everybody else and that they can apply how they feel and they think to the and take those and make assumptions about how these other people think.
	Well, they supported Trump.
	They must think just like me on this.
	They must agree with me on this issue.
	They must see this as I see it.
	And that is completely wrong and completely erroneous.
	His coalition was several groups.
	And one of them is this loosely affiliated, very dejected group that had just been like Robert just said, it's a miracle they even put their faith in him to begin with.
	Some of these people we spoke with, they haven't voted since they were in their young 20s when they believed in somebody once upon a time.
	And that day has long been passed until this guy came along.
	Or maybe it was the, today Is an anniversary.
	Maybe it was the attempted assassination and it woke them up and they thought, you know what?
	This guy may really be a threat to this group of people, the ruling class, who gets away with everything all the time.
	Well, our jobs are shipped overseas.
	Our kids are shipped overseas to go die in stupid wars.
	And whatever it may have been for that group of, you know, that person individually, they put their faith in him.
	They put their trust in him.
	And it's not good enough to just do what you did last time.
	It's not good enough to just be better than the other Republicans, better than the Bush.
	That's not good enough for them because that's not what you told them you would be.
	And again, the biggest thing that, you know, the theme of the weekend is, you know, it doesn't matter who gets elected.
	So, you know, these people droning on and on about winning the midterms, you have no prayer to win the midterms without these people.
	No prayer whatsoever.
	I mean, they're living in a fantasy land, guys, if they think just carrying on like this is going to win them the midterms.
	I saw somebody, Kurt, and I like Kurt.
	You know, Kurt's like, he's nice guys, man.
	We've known each other for years.
	He's like, the only issue that's going to care is the only issue that people are going to care about in the midterms is the economy.
	Really, Kurt?
	Then why did you lose in Biden's midterm?
	You should have, by all accounts, stomped Democrats.
	You didn't because they have the high turnout coalition now.
	You have the low turnout coalition.
	And you can't afford to browbeat anybody.
	You can't.
	I mean, this is crazy.
	Who is crunching the numbers for these people, Robert?
	Oh, well, we know some of these people.
	Clowns, bro.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm over it.
	Chris LeCivita has always been a clown.
	I mean, the kind of prick that will, by the way, he's against Two Plus Two.
	What is it?
	Chris LeCivita, for those that don't know, ran Trump's 2024 campaign was heavily involved in making a lot of money off it.
	I don't know how much you can really give him credit for anything that took place.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But the other, I mean, I mean, Chris LeCivita was cheering Trump's impeachment in his first term.
	And this guy is the one he's rewarding while attacking Thomas Massey.
	I mean, it's insane.
	But it's very simple.
	The core question is, will Trump drain the swamp or will the swamp drain Donald Trump?
	And right now, he's at serious risk of the swamp draining him.
	And if it drains him, it won't just drain him.
	It will not only drain the Republican brand, it will train, is this what Steve Bainon is going on about?
	He's saying this summer is going to decide whether the deep state runs America or we run America.
	And he goes, and if we don't win, it could be the end of America.
	I know that sounds like exaggeration.
	It's not.
	If you understand what's happening, what Barris is, what Richard has been talking about, looking at the numbers for the last 20 years.
	We are really at a cliff's edge as a country, as a nation, as a constitutional republic.
	We cannot afford this corrupt administrative bureaucratic state, these neocon, neoliberal war whores, and these deep state actors to continue to corrupt our politics, of which Epstein is a perfect example.
	What's his approval on inflation?
	And Robert, what are they talking about with these other issues?
	What is his approval rating right now on the economy?
	Let me let you all in on a little secret.
	It is negative.
	What is his approval rating on inflation?
	It is negative.
	It's not because he didn't make any achievements or he hasn't done good things or we're not moving in the right direction.
	It's because he's stepping on all of that news with this other nonsense.
	That is what's going on here.
	He should have been talking about nothing but the CPI, the ones I'm even declining over the last three month rolling period.
	Instead, we were talking about Iran.
	60-year best wage growth.
	Instead, we're talking about Iran.
	Then it rolled right into this.
	And it was not the only mistake.
	This has been an issue for basically since the honeymoon period ended, guys.
	Since the honeymoon period ended, it has been one misstep after another.
	And it's a shame because he has been doing a lot.
	He's gotten a lot done.
	You know, the fact that no tax on tips, are we talking about that right now?
	No.
	What about the fact they even got this big bohemoth of a bill through?
	And we weren't talking about that at all.
	And their messaging is already anemic.
	Instead of discussing how we just got work reforms back, work requirement reforms back, right?
	When it came to that, you know, the tax cuts and jobs act was not allowed to sunset, which would have been a massive tax increase on me, you, everyone listening probably to this podcast.
	Nobody's even discussing that right now.
	I mean, it's about optics, right?
	And Robert said it before.
	Trump, it's, you know, it's, this is only going to happen two ways.
	Either Trump's going to drain the swamp or the swamp's going to drain Trump.
	And it doesn't even matter which way you think right now, you looking at the camera right now.
	It doesn't matter what you think.
	It matters what these other people think that we're talking about.
	Right now, they think Trump's getting drained.
	Right now, they think Trump is becoming more like the Republican Party, not that the Republican Party is becoming more like Trump.
	And they're the only ones who matter.
	You have no one else to vote for.
	Let's be honest.
	Who's Mark Levin going to vote for?
	She's going to vote for the next Hillary Clinton.
	He's going nowhere.
	It's the worker in the Ohio River Valley.
	It's the people who turned away from Biden in Scranton or Bidentown in Northeast Pennsylvania.
	That's who matters.
	By the way, Daryl from Pennsylvania, did anybody watch him on Tu-Way?
	He said, I will sink.
	I will sink Republicans in the midterms over this.
	And that was over Iran.
	I wonder how Daryl's feeling right now following the Epstein debacle.
	I mean, I'm telling you, this is much more dire than any of these sycophants either understand or maybe they do and they're just the worst kind of sycophants who lie as well.
	I think most of them are just stupid.
	But for those both groups of people, you are in danger of wrecking this whole thing, this whole movement.
	And I'm not telling you that because I disagree or agree with this issue or this plan or this action.
	I'm telling you how it looks to the rest of the voters who actually matter.
	And since you can't win without them, they do matter more probably than you think they do.
	And maybe even more than you do.
	Especially for Trump, his main political capital is his voter support.
	The moment that disappears, he doesn't have any political capital.
	He's not backed by no armor, Robert.
	He's not backed by the industry.
	He has truth, but that has, you know, it doesn't have the reaches of X, Which he's now turned Musk into an adversary.
	I mean, there were ways to handle this that didn't require mess up after mess up.
	But at this point, it's quit doubling down for the love of God.
	Just come out and say we're going to appoint a special counsel to handle this.
	At least do that.
	Can't you have a little bit of common sense, Swampy Susie, and the rest of the White House that should be feeling the heat on this?
	Robert, I was just looking to see that hypothetically, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Republicans lose the Senate.
	It's possible.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And then the populist vote just abandons him in mass.
	Richard and I have been talking now for four years, explaining there's this whole new voter group that is divorcing from the Democratic Party, but is refusing to marry the Republican Party.
	And it's this young millennial and Zoomer working class vote is a big part of it.
	Another part of it is what we call the dropouts.
	These are people who dropped out of the economy, dropped out of society, dropped out of, they just dropped out of everything.
	And they were starting, they hadn't voted since like 2000, if they were older.
	And they were returning for Trump, just for Trump in 2016, again in 2020, and big time in 2024.
	These are voters who are looking to be disappointed.
	There's a part of them that's like, they're going to betray us again.
	I got to lie.
	That is the lion's share of them, Robert.
	That's exactly what they think right now when they see this lion's share.
	Yes, that they went, that's their instinct, right?
	They didn't like there's there's this and it's wrongful assumption that everybody who voted for Trump has this blind trust that the Sikka fans have and his most like loyal Trump can do no wrong kind of voter.
	They, that's not the majority of MAGA.
	It's not even, and by the way, MAGA isn't only Republican.
	That's another thing.
	I keep seeing things like Trump's approval rating with the Republicans is 98%.
	First of all, no, it's not.
	That's number, that's number one.
	Right now we have almost 20% disapproval among self-identified Republicans.
	Number two, it's not only Republicans you have to worry about.
	We've gone over this.
	If you've watched the shows, you all should know this.
	If you don't, I'm going to tell you right now, the group of people who are independent, when we follow up with them, we ask them, which party do you lean to more?
	And they always pick the choice, neither.
	I share nothing in common with either one of those parties.
	That is the group disenfranchised, disgruntled, disconnected from the process that came home for Trump.
	And they are looking for an excuse to go park, you know, to give up on this all over again because that's been their experience their whole life.
	They're not partisans like people who are watching this show or watch my show, watch your shows.
	They're not partisans like us.
	They're not following.
	They're not politicos.
	They're trying to live their lives.
	Of course, you know, maybe Trump made them more interested in politics than they have been in a long time, but they are not partisan.
	They're not loyalists.
	They're not going to stick around while you tell them, while you piss on their head and tell them it's raining.
	That's not who they are.
	And there's a lot of them and you need them.
	That's another thing.
	You need them.
	That post Dave is like, he doesn't need them or something.
	He needs them.
	Needs them.
	Without them, they're cooked.
	You're not getting some low 35% turnout election that somehow favors you in 26.
	Those days are over.
	There's no 2010, no 2014.
	If that happens, it's going to work against the Republicans.
	The more voters who vote, the better it is for Republicans.
	They need these people to vote.
	I want to highlight things here.
	And yet he continues to win.
	He didn't win in 2020.
	Like it was by the grace of God, literally in 2024.
	What are you talking about?
	His entire first administration was destroyed by sycophants who told you that they read on a 4chan post that Robert Mueller was some kind of super secret superhero.
	Come on, guys.
	Get him.
	was going to be back in power by the summer of 2021 but but also to highlight the But if they lose the Senate, I say, heaven forbid, Trump gets impeached and convicted.
	Removed.
	Well, and now he's giving them an easy issue because Epstein is an easy issue for them to pursue now because he's now made it a Republican weakness, which is unbelievable.
	I mean, for those that don't know, 2015, 2016, Trump was the one who put this issue.
	Did Trump campaign on it all over the place?
	No.
	Did Trump campaign on it?
	Yes.
	In fact, he was the one who injected it.
	He injected it in late 2015, talking to British TV, talking to others, saying, look at Epstein, look at his connection to Prince Andrew, look at his connection to the Clintons.
	The Clintons were so panicky about it, they created a fake lawsuit trying to blame Trump for Epstein.
	They got somebody that was not an actual victim, it doesn't appear, to accuse Trump.
	It was bogus, end up dismissing all the accusations, all the rest, but not until after the election because they knew Trump was coming for them and they knew that was a vulnerability.
	So they tried to preempt it by circulating the fact that Epstein hung out with Trump multiple times before Trump figured out what he was about.
	Trump was eager to share this information with people and he was one of the principal people planning the story in the press, right?
	Beyond what he was said publicly, behind the scenes, he was pre- This is why Alex Jones is going ballistic and is utterly baffled by this.
	And that's why he said the only the so if you go back and Trump repeatedly, he told Lex Friedman, he told multiple people in interviews, yes, he would disclose the Epstein list.
	Yes, he would disclose the Epstein files that he would disclose it just like the JFK, RFK, and MLK files.
	They have literally disclosed nothing.
	Zero.
	They instead produced a video that is not even of his cell.
	It's a video of a hallway leading to his cell that is not even accurate about the information that it purports to claim support for.
	If we put Barbie in the cross-examination desk and we asked her what she reviewed, my guess is the answer is going to be all she reviewed was the summaries from the same Biden corrupt agents that are part of the deep state corruption to begin with.
	We're going to find out she never talked to the CIA.
	We're going to find out she never talked to the State Department.
	We're going to find out she made no broad-based, didn't give over to Tulsi Gabbard, who would have been the proper person.
	Interesting to say, Gabbard was, this is simple, Robert.
	She's the funnel of information at the top of the intelligence, too.
	Like, she should have been the first call.
	What maybe I, what, what potentially am I missing that, you know, that has been handed over to me from the FBI?
	I mean, Gabbard would know a lot more because, of course, There's a limit to what justice might even know about his interaction with foreign intelligence services.
	And again, I'm not even saying one way or the other what they were going to find in those files, but the bottom line is he's the one who raised this.
	It's baffling to me that people say, Oh, Democrats can't run on this issue.
	A Republican let Epstein go.
	And a outsider, Republican presidential candidate is the one who resurrected this issue.
	How you can pretend that there's not a vulnerability here for Republicans is insane.
	There's an entire montage video of Donald Trump over the years talking about Epstein.
	And, oh, when I get in, it's going to be pretty bad for people when I get all those files.
	I mean, he's been saying this for years.
	Was it something he talked about, you know, on his website and every day?
	And no, but he used it as red meat.
	And if guess what?
	If that's all it was, then he needs to say it was red meat.
	That was me as a campaigner, but now I'm governing.
	Just be honest and say it.
	You did what other politics.
	Of course, you want to protect the foreign foreign intelligence.
	Just come out and say that.
	Say, you know what?
	We've discovered he was working with foreign intelligence.
	We want to protect our national security, so we can't disclose this information.
	Dude, right?
	But of course, then everybody's going to know Tucker's right.
	That which foreign, because it's a foreign country he's going to crazy lengths to.
	As someone who supports Israel, don't need to get us involved in another dumb war because Bibi's locked into a corruption scandal that's got him limited to the hard right.
	You know, that's the underlying issue here.
	Trump has all kinds of leverage with Epstein.
	He has all kinds of leverage on Bibi.
	He has all kinds of leverage on Zelensky.
	Instead, he's trying to use leverage on Putin.
	He doesn't have leverage on Putin.
	We've done everything possible to Russia.
	They survived.
	They don't care.
	The conflict is existential for them.
	Why are we going along with Lindsey Graham's loser sanctions bill that would be incredibly self-destructive of the U.S. politics and economy?
	So the other thing with this Epstein decision is it's part of a pattern.
	It's the going to war in Iran and almost getting us stuck in a war in Iran.
	He's kind of lucky he got bailed out at the end because Russia and others actually helped him in getting that ceasefire done.
	But he's still thinking about going back and then escalating in Ukraine.
	Why?
	Americans have wanted us out for that for years.
	And in the middle of these two things being sandwiched is the Epstein debacle.
	And it's like at some point, we're starting to see a pattern and it's not a good one for where Trump is going.
	And those that love Trump, support Trump, want the best of Trump, support MAGA, support opposing, you know, oppose more dumb wars, want lawfare to end.
	All of this, you got to scream about Epstein because it will get the right people's attention, hopefully get the right people in place, and wake up Trump from the nap he's in.
	I had had the opposite thought, Robert, that it's not about protecting Israel's manipulation or use of Epstein, but rather if it is revealed that Epstein was actually being used by America for blackmail whatever throughout the world, that might be a problem.
	And they don't want to embarrass the CIA.
	The American people are going to be shocked to discover, the normie out there, that Alex Jones is basically right about everything, because that's what would happen when they disclose these files.
	It would be, oh my goodness, MI6, CIA, and Massad, three of the leading human rights intelligence agencies in the world, were funding underage girls and abusing underage girls to get this, to entrap and blackmail people.
	I think most people around the world, but including especially maybe Americans, don't want to be associated.
	We don't want our tax dollars going for people like the Peto's, like the Jeffrey Epsteins of the world.
	But Robert, first of all, Richard, I didn't know that you could bring up stuff on your own.
	I have trust.
	I could either.
	I didn't mean to.
	I didn't.
	I was thinking.
	And what I was really trying to show you is somebody, I saw the post that you put up.
	That's a comment that somebody said, you know, Trump's trolling us all.
	And you're trolling.
	I just wanted to respond by saying you're trolling yourself, bro.
	I mean, you can't just play with people like this and expect that they're going to come back and root for you and your guy en masse.
	What I just showed, Dave, real quick was his approval rating and disapproval.
	Bring it up.
	Bring it up.
	I didn't care.
	College voters, right?
	This is today, folks.
	This is today, okay?
	As of right, this weekend's polling, all right?
	Trump's approval rating with, look, you can see what's selected there, pre-high, secondary, high school, GED.
	So meaning you have no college whatsoever.
	His strong approve among this group is now down to 29%.
	His somewhat approve is 23%.
	Folks, this should be in the 60s combined.
	It should be in the 60s, especially when they're bottoming out.
	Right.
	We just had the best job report that we've had in almost a decade.
	We had the best wage report for these groups of workers.
	We've had another people saying, don't worry, as long as the economy is okay, everything's going to be okay.
	They're already turning on them because they don't trust him anymore.
	They don't believe him anymore.
	And like to Richard's point, young black voters, Russ Mooss and Mark Mitchell, huge drop-off.
	Why?
	Because they rallied to Trump.
	Richard and I were probably the only people, other than Mark Mitchell and some others covering it at the time, saying, look, you made Trump into a gangster.
	He's going to be cool and popular in a whole lot of places you don't want him to be cool and popular with.
	They recognize a two-tier legal system, as Mark Mitchell pointed out.
	But now they don't think Trump is the victim of that system.
	They think he's a victimizer in the system, a cover-up participant in the system.
	That's how symbolic Epstein is.
	Epstein's case goes way past the man, way past the systemic fraud it reveals, way past the foreign government corruption it reveals, way past the moral horror that people in power are using our money and resources to entrap people, abusing young girls, underage girls.
	That's a moral shock of its own accord to a wide to the Roseanne Barrs of the world who love Donald Trump, who are like, this is unacceptable.
	So what do you think, Richard?
	I mean, you know, the, I would, now I know JD's got to walk a tight line.
	I know Bobby Kennedy is walking a tight line.
	I know Tulsi Gabbard is unfortunately being closed out and pushed out, which I think was a huge mistake.
	I think they should be bringing her back in.
	This is a great case to do it.
	If anybody could put together the Epstein file and know what it really means, it would be Tulsi Gabbard.
	But what do you think JD Vance is trying to?
	How does he navigate through this?
	Because he's killing J.D. Vance's chances of a future presidency if he continues down this rogue, reckless path.
	He doesn't navigate it.
	He doesn't.
	His favorability rating with that very same group of people is still higher than nationally, which is coming down now.
	I mean, that was what he had going for him for a couple of weeks before Iran.
	What he still had going for him was that people were getting a little bit of fears.
	And Robert and I did a show about this, about the economy.
	It was starting to improve.
	Those fears were being laid a little, you know, they were being put to rest because we didn't see skyrocketing inflation.
	We didn't see all of the, you know, the things that people had tried to really, you know, push in the media to scare people.
	And he was just starting to rebound.
	And what he had going for him even through that period was that people still liked him.
	His favorability was still higher than his approval, which is crazy for Donald Trump guys.
	As somebody who's polled Donald Trump since he came on the scene, that has never been the case.
	His approval always outran his favorability.
	So it was basically a relationship where people didn't like him, but they trusted him to do a job a certain way, and they thought he was competent in doing that job.
	Here and now, it's the reversal.
	His favorability is outpacing his approval rating.
	And this is hurting JD because as Trump goes down, JD's approval, favorability, excuse me, that was just starting to get positive and solidly positive is now back to about even.
	So, I mean, people don't know they're kind of reserving judgment on JD.
	He's at least, you know, benefiting from people not blaming him for some of the things they're mad about.
	But that can't last.
	That's not, you know, that's not a it's not a situation where you can continuously find yourself in.
	Right.
	I mean, remember, I mean, Hubert Humphrey was a big anti-war voice.
	It didn't matter when he got dragged in by LBJ's war and being that.
	That's it.
	That you get, you know, it's just fair or not, you know, you get judged by the company you keep and you get judged by your boss when you're the vice presidential candidates tend to not be good, solid candidates.
	He had a chance to be, or he still does, of course.
	Oh, yeah, he does.
	Yeah, he does.
	He has a chance to buck that trend, but it is unfortunate that the actions the administration are going to take will, of course, influence that.
	And I just want to say it's like not Epstein that's doing all of this.
	This is now the latest in a series, the series of mess ups.
	The big one started with Iran.
	Again, I'll say it again.
	Everyone makes the mistake of thinking MAGA is only self-described Republican.
	That is not true.
	And the independents that backed him, you know, that backed him strongly and have been holding him up.
	All the groups that actually held him up in solid approval territory are now the ones that are starting to become the problem for him.
	So that's why he's falling dramatically.
	Young people, independents who lean toward MAGA, black men, Hispanic men, all of it, that's his problem right now.
	And it's not going to be easy to get them back once they fall to those levels.
	It's just not, people are acting like that's something he can change with a single positive news cycle.
	It's not.
	It will take time.
	It didn't get here with one bad news story.
	And it's not going to, you're not going to dig your way out of it with one good news story.
	Iran, though, was it was that was a big one because independents don't care at all about Israel's problems.
	They don't have a bunch of mistakes that are really unnecessarily hurting it.
	And so from the law and politics side of the equation, Richard's here to give you the politics side of the equation.
	And then Viva and I give you both the law and the politics side of it, but more on the law side.
	I mean, we've seen this.
	Viva, do you have any doubts?
	If you put Pam Bondi in a cross-examination and deposition, you could take her apart in an hour and make her look like an utter idiot for how she's handled it.
	I wouldn't want to, but there would be public statements that are mutually incompatible, irreconcilable fundamentally, that she has made and that she's expecting us to believe.
	Now, if that memo was signed off by everybody, you compare it to Pam Bondi's memo of February 27, which referred to Epstein and his clients.
	All right.
	The other thing is, it's like the methodology, like it's what the stuff we do.
	Like, how do you know what you know?
	So my brother teaches in philosophy, metaphysics.
	There are actually people wearing that at the, there was a metaphysics jersey with somebody at the game today.
	But the, is how do they, how do they know Epstein killed himself?
	They don't even explain it.
	It's like, okay, how do you know that?
	Did you review the autopsy?
	Have you noticed Cash Patel could not answer Joe Rogan?
	Okay, God bless Joe.
	Nobody's going to confuse him with a PhD in understanding law and politics and anything else, right?
	I mean, you know, Joe says, Joe tells everybody, I'm an idiot, so don't follow what I do, right?
	He's naturally curious, but he doesn't pretend to know.
	And even he's like, well, what about these things in the autopsy?
	He couldn't answer.
	Cash Patel couldn't answer.
	And it's not in this memo either.
	This has got to be the worst cover-up memo in the history of cover-up memo.
	Robert, Robert, I genuinely believe the memo was intended to throw people under the bus or discredit the administration.
	It's impossible.
	Me too.
	I agree with you.
	And that makes me wonder, Todd Blanche got to go.
	Got to go.
	I mean, if Mike and some others want us to go to bat on Emile Bove and these other people, then get Todd Blanche out.
	Don't tell me Todd Blanche is a stand-up lawyer when he's putting this nonsense out.
	No, he's throwing Bongino under the bus and everybody else under the bus, but he's flat out lying.
	He's flat out lying.
	And he knows he's lying.
	He's a corporate horror lawyer who got to briefly represent Trump.
	Why did that mean he was going to be a good deputy attorney general?
	I'm making, man, I'm going to get disinvited from every invite list by the end of this.
	You're going to get me disinvited from future.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Viva totally didn't hear.
	But my evil twin, Paul Barnes, has a tendency to say, again, Alan Derrich Witz has confirmed his existence.
	So, I mean, it's just disturbing.
	It's unsettling.
	And it's unfortunate.
	And it's what drives us nuts is it's unnecessary.
	It's unnecessary.
	And it can be fixed quickly.
	President Trump just, what I love about Trump is he will reverse course on a Don.
	When he realizes he's in deep trouble, he's got himself out.
	He's a templan Don in more ways than one.
	I hope, by golly, he listens to his bass, listens to his audience, listens To the people who are truly his supporters, who want the best for him, makes the right decision.
	That's twofold.
	Appoint a special counsel to handle everything related to Epstein, give them full power and say you're not going to fire them.
	They can go wherever they need to go as Epstein.
	Number two, fire Pam Bondi or just ask her to step down and she can go get another lobbying gig and get a bunch of cash and put Harmie, elevate Harmik Dinlan, bring in Matt Gates as a recess appointment, go back to your original instincts on Attorney General.
	You've had three disasters as Attorney General.
	You don't need a four.
	Robert, that was one of my questions.
	I'm going to bring up my tweet.
	They can appoint a special counsel to investigate this.
	To reopen, to go back to Acosta's original plea deal, find out what was subpoenaed, what wasn't, why the warrants might have been drafted in very specific, ignoring other potential evidence.
	Go back and reinvestigate the entire file because I can imagine the FBI is going to say what I've been saying from the beginning, the file's corrupt.
	We did the best we have with this.
	From this, he killed himself and there were no clients.
	Yeah, because the evidence either was never there or was destroyed because we never looked for it or we destroyed it.
	It's like rereading the Warren report.
	I was just going to say that, Robert.
	Oh, no, no, no, no.
	Lee Harvey Osborne was a little bit more.
	Yeah, definitely operated all alone, had no CIA ties.
	Come on.
	And what's your source?
	Well, I reread the Warren report.
	It's like, you got to be kidding me.
	I mean, I mean, listen to Bon Gino is like, I mean, you can tell he's at least somewhat tortured by having to say this utter garbage.
	Well, at least he responded to you, Robert.
	At least he understood.
	He grasped the issue enough to understand that he had to respond to you.
	Even if he tried to be negative and come after you, he still knew that he had to respond because he's the only one who seems to understand how detrimental this issue is to them, you know, and how that was handled.
	But he tried to defend it at least.
	I have a feeling Barnes might have been too hard on Bongino and Patel only because ultimately I think it's obvious there was a shutting down from Bondi or someone.
	I don't know who Bondi answers to.
	Everyone says Bondi.
	Well, or Trump.
	I think this starts with Trump.
	I think Trump decided he didn't want this out for whatever reason and decided, hey, just shut this down.
	At least be competent in how you do it.
	Like I said, I don't mind a criminal.
	I don't mind a dumb person, but don't combine the two.
	You get dumb criminals, you get a disaster.
	Like everybody says, criminals have low IQ, Barnes.
	No, no, no.
	Caught criminals in prison have low IQ.
	The smart ones ain't in prison to begin with.
	So my problem is it's like, okay, let's say you want to cover up for Israel.
	I disagree or cover up for London or MI Britain, whoever it is, or the CIA, whoever it is you want to cover up for.
	Which, again, Ratcliffe put out a report on Russia Gate, which is a good transition into that, onto Comey and the rest, which was clearly just a distraction technique because all they were doing was recycling prior referrals made by Congress to the Justice Department to investigate Comey and Brennan, and they never have.
	Yeah, which nothing has happened, by the way.
	Nothing.
	It's purely fake.
	But the fact that they never pursue that was itself problematic.
	And again, it's part of a broader picture and portrait that people have seen.
	Warren Oran, more arms to Zelensky and Ukraine, covering up the Epstein files.
	Can't prosecute anybody related to Russia gate, pretending that they are and never do.
	I mean, this also is not the week to even disclose that, even if you actually had a serious investigation.
	Because at this point, the people are accustomed within your own base of just being lied to and gaslit.
	Oh, yeah, it's coming.
	Oh, yeah, it's coming.
	I mean, Bondi chose Epstein herself to be the signifier that she was part of MAGA.
	She talked about it incessantly.
	Right.
	And she did this.
	And that's another part of my criticism is just basic optics and politics and setting of expectations, right?
	The expectations game.
	It's been botched from the beginning.
	I mean, Robert, you don't pick this week to do this anyway.
	You pick this week to celebrate your survival from an assassination.
	You do nothing.
	You step on that day.
	Nothing.
	You got your bill through on July 3rd.
	You've got a ceasefire done.
	You've got a new trade deal.
	You've got some new tariffs to announce.
	The job growth is great.
	The wage growth is great.
	The immigration policy is going well.
	You finally get some relief from the Supreme Court and you decide to torch it all with hiding Epstein docs.
	I'm sorry, there's no politically justifiable explanation for that that says this person is competent or intelligent.
	And if you're going to pick the can be on the weekend, please.
	On your best weekend, it could have been.
	It's just simple to do.
	If I was ordered to cover something up, I could at least do it competently.
	I mean, like I said, I don't mind her being a criminal.
	I don't mind her being stupid.
	I mind her being a stupid criminal in charge of the Justice Department.
	And they just sound ridiculous because they can't reply to any of this.
	And Dave, you're the nicer one.
	I see Day on Twitter all the time.
	You're like, you know, hey, listen, I mean this sincerely.
	Answer me this question.
	You notice they never reply with a sincere answer.
	Sometimes they reply more when I'm an asshole than when I'm polite.
	But, you know, the thing is, I don't want people thinking I'm going after Todd Blanche to be destructive.
	But like that explanation, Todd, makes zero sense on its face.
	And if it does make sense, it throws Patel and Bondino under the bus.
	Imagine being so politically daft to write that.
	Everyone signed off on it.
	And if they didn't, literally no one signed it.
	That's the point, you moron.
	You nitwit.
	I mean, like I said, these are not only frauds.
	They're halfwit frauds.
	I mean, for the love of God.
	Good at it.
	Right.
	They're not.
	There's no tongues in there.
	If we're going to have some criminals, at least have some smart ones in there, Mr. President.
	Lawrence, you're back to being an Israeli shill.
	How was it?
	Something goyam.
	I think that's a Barris' word.
	Shabbist word.
	I hate that word.
	Barris, we're not going to keep you the entire time.
	Are you going live on this tomorrow?
	On the polling?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Absolutely.
	People pundit.
	You're on Rumble.
	You're on YouTube.
	Your Twitter handle I've shared repeatedly before.
	People's Pundit.locals.com, where he gives exclusive access to the inside polling data, as well as this or this.
	His polling is solely supported by you, ordinary people.
	Public polling project.
	I remember when he launched it, he ends up digging in his own pocket a lot for it.
	But it'd be nice if he didn't have to pay everything go broke on it.
	So, the goal with that is to make sure there's no secret sugar daddies out there.
	So, you're getting honest data that you, the American people, deserve to reaffirm the original George Gallup purpose behind the idea of polling in the first place, to allow the ordinary American's voice to be heard in Washington, D.C., and a place where they're often ignored.
	And so, it's good work, big data polling.
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	So, go support Richard, Rich Barris, People's Pundit.
	And Richard, thank you very much.
	People are going to be a little blackpilled, but I think it's necessary.
	It's the first step towards the pressure.
	But now's the time to act.
	Now's not the time to sleep.
	Now's not the time to get the press.
	Now's the time to act.
	Let Trump hear your message.
	Let everyone in Trump world hear your message.
	That is your best chance to get a change of directs.
	Thanks for having me, as always, guys.
	I'll see you all soon.
	All right.
	Absolutely.
	Have a good one.
	Now, I also, Robert, not to pat myself on the back, but I want to a little bit.
	I might have to take back my Dan Vagino, Dan Tampongino, and Dan Ballis Bongino, and Deep State Dan Bongino.
	I might have to take all that back if he has the guts and the chutzpah to either get Bondi fired or to step down rather than be part of this town.
	I have great respect for that.
	Not a lot of people will do that.
	Not a lot of people will sacrifice the limelight, sacrifice the power.
	If he's willing to do that, that says he's a man of his word.
	And I'll be happy, happy to retract everything negative said about him if we could get some positive direction.
	And I'll give Bongino credit.
	If he didn't escalate this, Trump wasn't going to get the message.
	So that's another credit to him.
	So now my blame shifts back to where it looks like it all belonged at the beginning, which was, as you pointed out, Pam Bondi.
	And to some degree, Blanche.
	I don't like what Blanche did, that statement.
	You're throwing somebody else under their...
	What did the FBI you're now saying is lying out there?
	And the deputy head of the FBI, this bum should be gone yesterday.
	And he's definitely should be gone now.
	And sorry, Mike, no way I'm supporting that prick for any kind of judge position.
	If you try to nominate him for him, I'm going to lobby for him in ways that I've never lobbied against anything before.
	I'll lobby against him because that was inexcusable, intolerable.
	Send him back to corporate horror world where he naturally belongs.
	You know what?
	It reminded me of when Kamala announced that, you know, what's his face?
	Biden was withdrawing from the race and she was going to be the appointee and she had like Obama on the phone.
	And some people were hypothesizing that it was AI generated.
	And I'm like, it wouldn't be AI generated.
	You know, they would come out and say something.
	And people are like, no, if it's AI generated, Obama cannot come out and say anything.
	They're not going to cost themselves the election.
	So real or not, but with what Todd Blanche did, like if Bongino and Patel were not on board with that memo, and I don't think they possibly could have been, to put them in a position where they can't publicly defend themselves and you make them look like they were on board with that unsigned, undated memo with a very weird avatar for the DOJ on it, that is stabbing someone in the back, politically speaking, in a merciless manner.
	But my proposal, Robert.
	And these are people who are all tied in to Swampy Susie Watts.
	I know there's some people in the administration as I speak who would rather I shut up about this, but I'm not because she's a danger to the Trump administration.
	Not only a danger to the country and bad ideas, bad policies, bad.
	I mean, as you pointed out, I mean, first of all, do no more interviews, Swampy Susie.
	Don't go around pretending you have all this power that you shouldn't have.
	They have two minorities in their category.
	I know.
	It was like, oh, yeah, we got some lawyers, we got some doctors, we got some experts, and we even got a Jew and a black and an Asian.
	You wouldn't believe it.
	I mean, Susie's Swampy Susie comes from the 1980s, okay?
	So she's utterly out of touch.
	What did I call her, Swampy Susie?
	She was a deep state lobbyist for some of the most corrupt corporations in the world.
	So I have no sympathy for her at all.
	I've never trusted her.
	She's the one who drove out one of the key reform agents, Paul Danz.
	Paul Danes was part of the Office of Personnel and Management.
	He was part of the Article 25 project for heritage.
	He was the one who said, we've got to take apart the administrative bureaucratic deep state.
	And if we don't, we will never be able to fix and remedy this country because they'll divert the money.
	They'll divert the policies.
	They'll divert the priorities.
	They'll divert and get us trapped into stupid conflicts and bad economics.
	And who was the one who drove them out?
	Chris LeCivita and Swampy Susie Wiles.
	And it's Swampy Susie, who's still out there pitching some form of amnesty.
	I mean, first they were doing it, then not doing it, then they're back and they're just seeing what they can get away with.
	But these are all own goals, goals, as they call them in soccer.
	I mean, you're kicking the ball in your own goal against your interest.
	Robert, let me bring it up.
	Let me see this here.
	So I say the solution is quite simple.
	Replace Bondi, and I'm being charitable.
	They could say it's going to be a conflict.
	We'll put you somewhere else, but you wouldn't need a fire.
	You just conflicts of interest.
	Special counsel, a la church committee, unseal everything or as much as possible.
	Nobody wants CSAM.
	And a detailed report within 12 months.
	Hopefully have it before the next midterm so you can, if there's damning info in there, sync who needs to be signed.
	If people like me were handling it, we'd have it in three months and everybody would cheer how detailed the report was and people would have confidence.
	And there's plenty of, you don't need to hire me for it.
	There's plenty of other people out there for it.
	The I mean, can you imagine if I was in the administration?
	I would either be resigned or Trump would have sent me to Gitmo already.
	The Shadow Beau Barnes.
	But this is inexcusable and we have to call it out when it is.
	Now, it was only one of many cases this week was the one that sucked up all the oxygen in the room.
	Sorry about that.
	We're going to get to all that.
	Let me do it.
	Of course, Roger Stone and Laura Loomers swear by Susie Wilde.
	They don't want to offend Swampy Susie, who's the gatekeeper to President Trump.
	So they're going to keep their mouths shut and be nice about it.
	I'm just not.
	Bea will be nice because he's naturally nice.
	I'm naturally nice.
	Just so everybody understands, I don't get invites, so I don't have any of those things to worry about, nor do I like the invites.
	So I just want to do it because, A, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I have incontrovertible proof that they're bad people.
	Then I'll go as hard on them as I go on Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney.
	But no, it was when Susie Wilde said, oh, we even have two minorities.
	Like, That's the type of virtue that you use to cloak yourself when you're doing something wrong.
	Like, oh, don't get mad at anything else I say because I'm celebrating our two minorities.
	It was terrible.
	Robert, I got to get through a lot of chats and I'm going to get a lot of these and then get over.
	I'm way behind.
	I'm going to go fast, but I want to find what it is.
	We got like a dozen or so potential cases to cover.
	We'll see which ones we get to.
	Yeah, we might not.
	We'll get to the big stories and fun stuff first.
	Let me read.
	Hold on.
	Where do I get?
	All of this here.
	Vivid, you have a P.O. box.
	I'd like to send you some Epstein information if true can make a lot of sense.
	I do.
	Kevin Patrick, I shared it.
	Don't send me Epstein stuff.
	I don't open thumb drives and I don't eat food if it comes from someone who I don't know.
	Mark Dwigdetti says Barnes has gone full sim for the Global Egypt.
	Don't know what that means.
	TKOC says, does Robert think that posting memes showing Epstein hugging Bondi will help Amos Miller in any way?
	If I was Miller, I'd look for professional.
	I understand all of that.
	There's a constant pitch that says, keep your mouth shut, keep your head down, don't disagree when something happens that you disagree with that you think could be potentially fatal in order so that maybe your clients will get a favor.
	First of all, I found that as a tactical matter, that tends not to work.
	Okay, look at Dr. Moore.
	A lot of us have been advocating for Dr. Moore, but Bondi did nothing about that until she was in trouble.
	And when she's in political trouble, finally she does the right thing.
	I'm glad she did the right thing, but it never should have come to that.
	Take the Mackey case we're going to be discussing this week.
	Why were they even pursuing that?
	Should have been dismissed.
	These other cases, like the Amos Miller case, like the Brooke Dackson case, like the Pfizer-Keith-Tam case, like other cases where she has been horrible, atrocious, doesn't know what she's doing.
	Clearly in con.
	I mean, that admission that she didn't know about the Moore case until Marjorie Taylor Greene told her about it?
	First of all, I know she's lying about that.
	She did have inside information about that from multiple sources that I have.
	But second, and I was someone advocating for Dr. Moore.
	We can get into the details of it.
	But all of this shows a pattern of someone who is not paying attention to the president's best interest.
	And here's my advice.
	Never take the compromise path.
	So when I was a 19-year-old kid at Yale University, I was given that same pitch that said, shut down your protest organization about financial aid policies and discriminating against poor students because you'll want to benefit from that from your kids when you graduate.
	And not only that, we think you'd make a great Yale Law School student, Mr. Barts.
	And they figured as a 20-year-old, 19, 20-year-old kid, I would just say, oh, okay, that isn't the block I was chipped out of.
	I said, screw you.
	I'm going to leave in protest to send the message.
	Once you take those little decisions along the way, that, oh, I'll just compromise because I got this other greater purpose and I'll compromise a little bit more and I'll compromise a little bit more.
	You end up waking up at 45, looking in the mirror and being, who the heck is this person?
	How did it, you know, becomes like the talking head song?
	You know, the who is this beautiful life?
	What is this beautiful life?
	So the not so beautiful is what it is.
	So never take that path.
	Never get suckered and snookered into saying you have to sacrifice your principles and sacrifice what you really believe in because otherwise you won't be able to get special favors from corrupt actors.
	Agreed.
	Let me want to get there was a big, I'm going to get to as many as you can.
	Joe Spinella, I'm just a poor schlep of a welder from the Upper Midwest, but Bondi is a terrible order speaker and upper widest Minnesota here.
	I'll only vote locally here in Minnesota in 26 if Trump doesn't rectify this.
	They can save my vote if they hire Viva Barbs show Time Bush's Texas Grown.
	JD can rise above this, but it'll take some standing up to Trump publicly and saying what he's doing wrong, which will undoubtedly split voters, says Contemporary Compendium.
	I'm just glad we don't, we have the Jews to blame for all of this few, says the abolitionist.
	Jean-Claude Beyond Mystic, who I've been on his show before.
	Great show, guys.
	Keep the Trump's admins feet to the fire.
	Enough with their gaslighting already.
	And fuck all those who are hating on us for pointing it out.
	Agreed.
	Thumbs up.
	Black and Hispanic men don't give a rat's rear end about Epstein or Iran.
	Carville was right.
	It's the economy stupid.
	Oh, they might care if it's deflecting from what they care about to go there.
	But Viva Fride, don't be afraid.
	Tell your viewers about the joint sexual assault rape lawsuit filed by Trump and filed against Trump and Epstein by the 16-year-old girl.
	I think she recanted any statements against Trump.
	Whether or not you believe the recanting, we've talked about it before.
	And Trump does not fit the profile at all.
	Trump went to other...
	Anybody saying Trump's implicated in this is out in left field because if he were, it would have been out already.
	I will say, doing this makes people believe it.
	That's driving me crazy.
	Majority of Americans now believe he's in the files because of how badly this has been handled.
	This is incompetence in handling it.
	We got AG and Bondi's Human Trafficking Scientology in Florida.
	Trump will embrace Susie Wildes and push away the America AM1.
	So I'm just going to go through these real quick because we got more on Rumble on Rumble than vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	Barnes just five weeks ago said we have to support ethnic.
	Okay, I guess.
	Thank you.
	That's exactly what he said.
	All right.
	I'll get to that one in a second.
	Thanks for the so now we got you all missed Trump Live now said he spoke to Bongino and all is okay.
	We'll see about that.
	Angie Kai says, I'm done across the board.
	Any Zionist candidate will not get my vote.
	Every single issue that's random name on Rumble.
	76 Patriot Girl, no tax on tips isn't really no tax.
	It's no tax on tips.
	Yeah, we talked about it last week.
	Builders.
	We have solid six months, but this damn administration is starting to fall back into the same deep state habits it did the first time.
	He had an excuse the first term.
	He knows better now.
	Itsy bitsy spider, at what point did J.D. Vance has to step down?
	Well, if he steps down, he doesn't have a political career to save.
	He's got to step down.
	You only do that if there's a complete economic collapse based on policy decisions or he commits us to ground troops in the war.
	And you know, that would be something you deeply oppose and would be intensely unpopular.
	That's the only time Vance, we're a ways away from that at this point.
	I don't mind that news circuit, that possibility circulating, though, because you can tell it gets Trump's attention.
	Bongino talking about stepping down got Trump's attention.
	Now, whether Trump's going to issue any correction is the big open question, because he's still, he like, you pay attention to what podcasters like Andrew Schultz think, for example, or Tim, I'm blanking on his last name, the guy who's often on Bigger Fellow that's often on with Joe Rogan.
	Tim Dillon.
	Tim Dillon.
	Those people have more influence than Fox News, Trump.
	Fox News is watched by geriatrics that are very busy watching in between the drug, you know, the pharmaceutical commercial.
	Like there's some good people out there I know watch Fox.
	But for the most ordinary voters under The age of 60, they rely on social media and podcasting.
	They do not watch Fox News.
	They do not watch CNN.
	They do not read the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal.
	No one cares what they think anymore or the Washington Post other than Trump.
	But Trump consistently thinks that, and that leads to him making bad decisions.
	And if he thinks he's out of dodge on the Epstein case, he's totally wrong.
	Well, Ginger Ninja of our community says he's done with Trump.
	You could see it up there.
	He says it with sadness, no longer a Trump supporter.
	I mean, you're losing the most loyal people you had.
	Election integrity is most important, but corruption is definitely part of this, and Epstein lists have been part of it.
	What votes did he add by this?
	Did he add a single vote by this?
	Oh, no.
	It's not like he got the Democrats to insist as a list, but he's not getting one Democrat vote.
	So it's a net positive negative.
	Trump put the ring on instead of throwing it into Mount Doom.
	Says, well, this clown show is going on.
	The FDA just approved the Moderna vaccine for Kid Six.
	Well, we talked about that last week.
	In fact, we'll get into that.
	Well, this clown show, not our show, but the clown show.
	Yeah, we'll get into the lawsuit is about, et cetera.
	It's been a week, Angie Kay.
	It's been a week.
	It's time to start putting pressure vocally.
	I don't want to.
	Oh, absolutely.
	You've got to.
	When he's on the edge of making really disastrous decisions, you've got to be as vocal as possible.
	I've discovered, just watch Trump.
	Just look.
	If maybe enough of us had made enough noise at the beginning of COVID, or got people like Tucker and Steve Bannon to be on the right side rather than the wrong side where they were on initially, then maybe none of that disaster happens.
	And then he's re-elected in 2020.
	We don't have lockdowns.
	We don't have mass medical experimentation on our citizens here and around the world.
	Maybe those things go differently.
	So the people that tell me, oh, go slow, go quiet, be patient.
	I don't mind that if there's a reason behind it.
	I often don't hear a reason behind it.
	And we'll read this one.
	Then we're going to get to some topics.
	Then we're going to get to the locals chat.
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	Ratcliffe has a disturbing o-face when Trump said we were sending more weapons to Ukraine.
	Someone needs a tissue.
	I believe Alex Jones.
	I believe what Alex Jones had to say.
	He said Trump has the documents and is using them to keep the deep state in check.
	No, I mean, he'll keep the deep state in check all the way out the front door.
	Okay, don't believe it.
	I'll get to the rest.
	If I miss any of them, I'm going to screenshot them and read them during tomorrow's stream.
	Robert, you want to say the list real quick, like, but we're not going to get to everything tonight's?
	So we've got Russia Gate, which we briefly discussed.
	Really, you already covered that.
	And Epstein.
	The other ones are the right for the government to withdraw pleas in the 9-11 cases that are being handled in a weird way, in my view anyway.
	It's totally outside the normal constitutional process.
	But the court dealt with that.
	The courts dealt with that, the DC Court of Appeals.
	The rights of detainees.
	We're now sanctioning private lawyers that work for the UN.
	I wonder if there's another country involved again, whether that's the most wise approach.
	Trump can at least control his own executive branch, according to the Supreme Court.
	Good ruling there.
	We got Second Amendment gun nuisance cases.
	When is being in a sex cult part of your First Amendment rights?
	That is being adjudicated in certain criminal cases.
	We've got third parties.
	When do they have the right to access?
	Who controls them?
	Does the party control them?
	Elon Musk might want to read this case.
	Or does the government actually control what third parties get to do and how they get to nominate people?
	Ninth Circuit decision this week on that.
	When is discovery, when are you entitled to public rights to discovery?
	This also has an Epstein kind of undercurrent.
	Or when does the government and the courts get to hide it from you?
	That went to the courts this week.
	We discussed the Dr. Moore case.
	Great to see that dismissal there.
	And the Mackey Mean case.
	And we got birthright citizenship.
	We got more injunctions.
	We got ICE arrest.
	They're being enjoined again.
	And we got the Fair Bet Act.
	And we'll see what we get to in that whole long litany.
	Okay, no, we're going to cover a few real quick because they're going to loop together.
	Douglas Mackey, the meme maker, the Ricky Vaughn, had his case unanimously sent back for remand for dismissal because they deemed not anything on the substance of whether or not you can be prosecuted for memes, but that there was a lack of evidence presented that could allow any jury to come to the verdict that it came to.
	The question I had is this.
	I did give Pam Bondi a little grief and faulted her for even pursuing the contestation of the appeal.
	Two questions.
	A, am I wrong in thinking that they could have just dismissed the charges without a pardon and dropped the entire case and not contested it before the Court of Appeal?
	And two, the question was, why do they remand it for dismissal instead of just dismissing it themselves at the appellate level?
	Because the appellate court technically doesn't dismiss.
	They only give directions to lower courts.
	Okay.
	The directions are binding, basically.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	It's precedent.
	Okay.
	So the lower court is going to have to dismiss the case.
	Those who don't remember, he just put up funny memes.
	Ricky Vaughn, the Charlie Sheen baseball character from Major League.
	And that's all Mackey really did.
	And he put one up about how you could vote by text and these kind of things.
	It was an obvious joke.
	To me, the big problem was criminalizing memes in First Amendment speech and reclassifying it as somehow civil rights violations.
	And I found that deeply disturbing and thought that the U.S. Justice Department should have come in and petitioned the Second Circuit to dismiss the case or to instruct to remand with dismissal, not defended the case, but gone up and said, this was an outrageous case.
	It never should have happened.
	And we want a precedent that says it should never happen again.
	But of course, Pam Blondie, Pam Barbie, didn't, there's no evidence she knows the case exists.
	I mean, it was like the Dr. Moore case.
	Because everybody should appreciate it was dismissed not on a procedural issue, but on an evidentiary issue, but not on the subject.
	But the case was so ludicrous that even a bunch of federal appellate judges who don't like Trump said, you should never have brought this case and legally can't, because literally no rational jury could convict this man of conspiring when there was literally no evidence of conspiracy.
	That's a good thing, but the bad thing is they didn't adjudicate on the merits of the law itself.
	So could Pam Bondi Blondie have come in And said, not only are we dropping, well, A, we're either dropping the charges or we want a determination on the constitutionality of this provision of law.
	She could have done that.
	Absolutely.
	And she could have asked for the Second Circuit to reverse with dismissal with prejudice, recognizing there was evidentiary insufficiency, but also saying we agree that legally there was a constitutional violation in this prosecution, not to mention the venue violations and everything else as well, which was egregious here.
	But she literally instead defended it and tried to get the Second Circuit Court of Appeals to affirm it.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's how, I mean, this is an incompetent, this is, I mean, I put out the joke, you know, if you name the band of Bongino, Patel, and Blondie, or Bondi, it would be the three blind mice.
	That's being generous when it comes to Bondi.
	I mean, it's just unbelievable.
	I mean, at least the Dr. Moore dismissal happened.
	At least the Second Circuit recognized what was right, but he deserved a bigger victory.
	And we need a justice department run by someone who actually cares about justice more than Fox News.
	Well, so this is the issue.
	It's like, A, she still contested it before the Court of Appeals.
	As people were saying, Viva, he declined a pardon.
	He didn't decline a pardon.
	He didn't request a pardon and didn't have one to decline.
	People said, Viva, they couldn't dismiss the case.
	It would be too political.
	Horse crap because they just dismissed the Moore case and I don't fault them for it.
	But how long did they pursue or continue the Moore case?
	Because they've been in.
	All the way through.
	I mean, it was in middle of trial.
	It was middle of trial.
	And we've been begging and screaming because I worked behind the scenes.
	He had approached me at the beginning.
	I said, tell everybody, people who may not know, Dr. Moore issued fake vaccine certificates, destroyed the vaccine, destroyed instead of administering, gave kids saline, but the parents didn't want the kids knowing that they were doing this.
	He did informed consent with his patients.
	That's it.
	So his patients came in and said, we want to be treated as vaccinated, but we don't want to take the COVID vaccine because we don't think it works.
	We think there's other ways to achieve the same medical benefit of the risk from the drug was higher than the risk from COVID.
	And they were right.
	And there's no dispute they were right.
	It literally had nothing to do with the federal government.
	He didn't bill the federal government for this.
	He didn't receive money from the federal government for this.
	The federal government was just sending vaccines to everybody.
	And all he did was, instead of giving them the vaccine, he gave them what they wanted and which he thought was with an informed consent the correct medical decision, which was clearly right.
	His actions saved lives.
	His actions reduced disabilities.
	His actions, what a doctor is supposed to do.
	He didn't rob anybody.
	He didn't steal from anybody.
	And the federal government was calling it a federal crime to disagree with them about COVID.
	And bamboo, Barbie says she didn't even know the case existed until it was the middle of trial this week.
	I'm sorry.
	The trial was now under the Trump administration.
	At what point is it such a big machine that you can give them not credit, but you can say, like, they're not supposed to know every case that's going on in every federal jurisdiction.
	I mean, you should go through it.
	We'll get into Robert Kennedy and what he's trying to deal with things.
	But can you know every case?
	No.
	Can you know high-profile political cases like this that have tons of people saying, please look here, please look here, please look here?
	Yes, you should.
	And to be honest with you, there's not so many cases that you couldn't go through all of them as Attorney General.
	You could ask, okay, give me what each case is that's currently.
	Why is Roger Veer still being criminally prosecuted?
	I didn't fully appreciate that he was in jail.
	I don't know when Dr. Moore served, was in jail for 22 days, give or take.
	The trial was going on right now.
	So this, admittedly, you'll say at whatever jurisdictional level, whatever federal level, but federal court in Utah.
	This was led by D.C., by the way.
	This was not local Utah prosecutors who are mostly obsessed with this.
	This was a D.C.-led case.
	Well, that would make more sense in that you're going to have activist prosecutors who are not on the Trump administration ideological board that are not going to bring this to the attention of Bondi to get involved.
	So they continue the persecution, much like that the prosecutors in California are still maintaining the persecution against Roger Ver.
	Then six months in the tax division at the various highest ranks of the Justice Department.
	Now we've got a little fundraiser going.
	We can get some Amos Miller almond.
	I don't even got those almond chocolate chip cookies.
	They are the greatest cookies on God's given earth.
	I mean, it's unbelievable.
	So the discrete, but he's still facing harassment from a range of federal agencies and cases.
	And then you have the Roger Vere case.
	For those that don't remember, Roger Vere is some, they're prosecuting.
	It has all the elements of lawfare.
	What is lawfare?
	One, they have a novel theory of prosecution.
	And that was weaponizing and misusing and abusing the legal system for political partisan purposes to target people for constitutionally protected activity, which is supposed to be prohibited by both the First and Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution as applied to the federal government.
	In the context of Roger Veer, Roger Veer left the country because he'd been previously harassed when the federal government, after he was a libertarian who pointed out their corruption in Ruby Ridge, their corruption in Waco, they decided to put him in prison, federal prison as a young man, solely because of fireworks, how he bought fireworks.
	He realized, okay, now I'm going to expose the entire global deep state and their corruption with central banks and central planners and how they use fiat currencies.
	And I'm going to say Bitcoin could be a democratizing tool to release people to liberty and freedom around the world.
	And he thought, maybe the CIA is not going to be happy about this book.
	So maybe I should leave the United States, but do it all legally.
	Go through all the legal protocols, hire all the lawyers, hire all the accountants, pay tons of money on tax he didn't even know.
	And then they come back years later after he publishes a book, outing the intelligence agencies, outing the central banks for trying to corrupt our financial system for their politically abusive, pernicious purposes, and decide that they're going to re-examine every single tax decision he's ever made in his life, put him under a macroscopic, microscopic review, and decide that he owes a bunch of tax, but they won't tell him how much.
	He keeps asking him, how much do I owe?
	He even filed FOIA requests saying, do you think I owe anything?
	Please tell me.
	I'm happy to pay it.
	They refuse.
	They refuse to tell him.
	Instead, they indict him.
	And they indict him by stealing his attorney client privilege records and then lying about it.
	Those records prove he completely relied on what they Told him they lied to a federal judge about it.
	They lied to a federal grand jury about it.
	They lied to the Justice Department about it.
	They lied to a Spanish court about it.
	They lied to Spanish prosecutors about it.
	This is an outrageous case that attacks and demonizes crypto, and one of the most principled and principled freedom fighters in the country.
	This is a man who led the fight for Ross Hilbert.
	This is a man who has been behind the scenes in freedom fight after freedom fight after freedom fight.
	And I speak from personal professional experience witnessing him do it.
	Very generous individual.
	This is a ludicrous case that is attempting to take criminal tax law and put people in prison based on a novel theory of tax law because the IRS wants to tax you for your existence.
	The IRS wants to impose a property tax on you that would also be unconstitutional, a wealth tax or an exit tax or anything else.
	And so they're using it for those nefarious purposes as well, but they wanted to pay back somebody for his constitutionally protected activity.
	And the party that's still being complicit in it is the Trump Justice Department, despite Trump promising he would end these kind of rogue cases against crypto.
	And so it's just another example.
	I mean, name the case where she succeeded in.
	I mean, has there been any?
	Has there been any?
	I mean, what's Pam Bondi's great success?
	At least Bongino and Patel can point to lower murder rates, can point to Pinots being arrested.
	They can point to immigration enforcement.
	What can Bondi point to?
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	She's literally achieved nothing but disaster for the president.
	And the Moore case is just one more example that she had to be guilted into finally doing the right thing and dismissing the case.
	Okay, so to Bondi's credit, the only thing I can say is good.
	She got one thing right.
	Mackie was not right, and there was no good reason not to do it.
	And Roger Veer is still persecuting.
	We'll see what happens.
	He's got a court date now.
	I think it's late July.
	I want to bring up the tweet from AOC.
	Robert, to call Donald Trump a rapist, and if she did it from her personal account, which was my observation, and I'm not sure if it's a distinction without a difference or irrelevant, AOC on Friday put out a tweet, glib, they're so catchy, pithy.
	Who would have thought that electing a rapist would compromise the release of the Epstein files?
	Well, that's that.
	Two people are rapists.
	Two people who did hide the Epstein files.
	Is that who she's referencing?
	Well, she put the tweet out, and I actually called her a bimbo, which it's the first time I've ever called a woman a bimbo.
	I called, what's her face, from New York a bitch once, and she deserved it when that happened.
	She said this from her personal Twitter account.
	Now, we know how when it's convenient, Elizabeth Warren, Deborah Holland, when they make defamatory statements, they get all the protections under the Westfall Act and whatever.
	Coming from a personal Twitter account, does that sort of strip her of any arguments for immunity that she might have otherwise had?
	Not at the moment, unfortunately.
	Based on the Covington kids case precedents, they've said members of Congress have complete immunity for anything they say if there's the most tangential possible relationship to their public office.
	So she knows she's immune.
	That's why she can say those kind of things.
	And the credit to, again, Thomas Massey, he has been pushing legislation in the past to fix this so that being elected to Congress is not a license to libel.
	But right now, based on the precedence of the misinterpretation and misconstruction of the Westfall Doctrine, AOC gets away with her libel, which I would just note to her wouldn't be libel if she was referencing President Biden or President Clinton.
	Okay, so we got that.
	Other cases before we get into the Supreme Court stuff.
	Oh, that was the other one I wanted to bring up.
	There was a, well, I guess, okay.
	My transition to the sex cult First Amendment case, just the thematic bridge.
	Okay, do the sex cult First Amendment because I think I didn't read that one.
	Oh, no, no, no, you can go ahead.
	I was just mentioning that's one button.
	No, I wanted to.
	Well, I was going to go to Gavin Newsom and putting up those.
	Ah, yeah, Newscomb.
	Newscomb.
	Quite clearly, by everyone's documentary evidence, they are harboring illegal minors on a cannabis field, either for work or either for other reasons, which might be even more nefarious.
	Karen Basshole is coming out saying, we're going to divert funds.
	We're going to take funds and give it to illegal families who are under hardship as a result of Trump's escalation and aggression in California.
	At what point can they go to jail and for what?
	Like everybody says it's never going to happen and I can still hope, but let me still hope.
	Karen Bass, I mean, is that not some sort of criminal laundering of federal funds?
	He's been a criminal for 25 years.
	This is what drives me crazy about the Epstein case.
	It was such an easy ticket to investigate the Bill Gates' of the world, the Lex, you know, the Lexington's last name, the founder of Victoria's Secret, all the fashion world.
	Oh, Lex.
	No, was it Wes Lex?
	No, that was the guy who was one of the principal people who gave a bunch of money to Epstein for no explanation.
	There's so many easy, soft targets.
	All the deep state NGO corruption.
	They can't do it without money because it's who they are and how they operate.
	It's old school political machines.
	Follow the money.
	You follow the Epstein money, you find all kinds of interesting things and people and places to uncover and discover.
	The same is true for almost anything that relates to Bass.
	She's basically a communist.
	She has deep ties to the Castro regime, a bunch of other regimes.
	She was clearly lying about a range of things and destroying documents and other information.
	At least it appears that way in terms of what happened to certain text files and the rhetoric.
	She was pulling in Ursula Vonder crazy.
	That's that EU person who got bribed by Pfizer.
	It was proven in her text because she forgot the eternal truths, never in writing, always in cash.
	And they're going to keep her in power in the EU, despite her destroying the file.
	Yeah, Les Wexner.
	By the way, he has.
	Let's just say there's a lot of reasons to be sus about Les Wexner, but that's a story for another day.
	So there's so many ways to go at these people.
	And I think that's the frustration.
	It was that Epstein's symbolically signified deviation in a wide range of foreign policy issues, but also the fact that we weren't getting any justice.
	We're not getting any efforts to go after the Soros NGOs, any effort to go after the Gates NGOs.
	There's no way she wasn't directly complicit in helping organize the riots in L.A. against ICE.
	That now people are shooting guns at ICE soldiers, at ICE officers.
	you have a true insurrectionary coup activity.
	Now you have a federal judge prohibiting people from even arresting people on the grounds that somehow she interprets them arresting people.
	She's created whole sanctuary stores.
	If you shop here, you work here, that's a sanctuary.
	And the federal government's not even allowed right now to arrest people that are illegally here, that are usually criminals right now, I mean very dangerous criminals in particular, are the priority of the Trump administration.
	As long as they go, it's like the cities of refuge from the Bible, remember?
	It's like, but now we got whole stores of refuge.
	I mean, from the federal government's immigration enforcement.
	So if they did their job in the Justice Department, like Bobby Kennedy was doing early on for John Kennedy, for example, then now that might have led to certain things for both of them, unfortunately, as time would progress.
	But that's the kind of mindset you have to have.
	You have to go in and take apart this deep state corruption that is killing our constitutional republic.
	And that's the, and there's so many ways to do it.
	Karen Bass is an easy target.
	Cuomo in New York, an easy target.
	Amdani in New York, an easy target.
	The Newsom in L.A., easy target.
	Pelosi, an easy target.
	All these people have gotten fabulously rich while being in Washington or being in positions of power, including Newscomb.
	So, I mean, there's so many ways.
	The American people, it isn't because they want these people.
	Nobody's calling for investigating Rocana, right?
	An honest left-wing populist congressman who opposes war once the Epstein files release, et cetera.
	They want just corrupt actors.
	Now, a lot of them are Democrats.
	They're not all Democrats, by the way.
	If you wanted to look at who Robert Maxwell's key issue of influence for illegal spying in the United States on behalf of Israel, who it was, his key conduit was Senator John Tower, who had two noted infamous habits.
	One was he was a habitual alcoholic.
	The other was he was kind of like Epstein himself in how he liked girls on the younger side.
	So there's the, that's what I think they're scared of.
	They're scared that if they go poke into these NGO corruption coordinated scandals involving the Soroses and the Gates and the Newsoms and the mayors of LA and so on and so forth, that they'll stumble across what was Bill Clinton's insurance, which Bill Clinton bragged about in the 90s, to officers who later told the story to Roger Morris in the book Partners in Power.
	He said, they can come after me for all the scandals they want, but they can't go deep at all without touching a Republican.
	He goes, they ain't going to go nowhere.
	Oh, Billy Boy was right.
	That's why they had to hook on Monica Lewinsky, because they dug into the finances of what was happening at the Rose law firm, what was happening with Webb Hubble, what was happening in these sketchy real estate deals with Jim McDougal, and it all came back to Mina, Arkansas, came back to Barry Seal, came back to a little agency known as the CIA, and the Bush family was all over it.
	That's how a lot of these, that's what I think there's, that's what's so disturbing about the Epstein case.
	It was telling me they're not going to go after anybody anywhere that could implicate U.S. or foreign intelligence.
	And the problem is, then you're not going to get anywhere because these people are all neck deep in corruption involving intelligence agencies.
	That's how they protect themselves.
	That's how they immunize themselves.
	And you're absolutely right there.
	It's easy to go after these people, but you have to be willing to let the shoes fall where they may, let things fall where they need to fall.
	And that's going to usually implicate our own intelligence agencies, unfortunately.
	All right.
	Well, that's a bit more of a black pill.
	The other thing that was coming, well, this isn't coming out of California.
	This was when we were talking about the Supreme Court on birthright citizenship and leaving the window open for class action lawsuits, which I don't know who the dumb.
	Do we call that or not?
	Do we call that?
	Here, Roberts should have signed on with Scalia.
	I mean, that's Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh and said, no third party standing for these ridiculous claims, no class actions for these ridiculous claims.
	The president's constitutional power must be protected to protect our borders and secure our nation.
	And instead, he went along with Barrett, who limited the ruling to just the question of universal injunctions, refused to address class action mechanisms to achieve the same thing, third-party standing mechanisms to achieve the same thing.
	And within two weeks of the Supreme Court's order, we have two universal injunctions back in on the same immigration policies.
	They just changed the procedural mechanism to a class action.
	And I don't want to go like four-dimensional chess and say this way is even better because now the Supreme Court's going to be extra pissed off and really rein them in at the lower levels.
	I think they will because they're seeing that they will abuse of any partially open door.
	This is one of the class definitions.
	I had a subsidiary question to this.
	This one was out of what, Barbara A.L. Donald Trump, United District Court, District of New Hampshire, order granting.
	I've been in front of that judge who's, let's just say, I'm not a fan.
	Joseph Laplant.
	He was born in America, people.
	I checked to make sure that.
	George W. Bush.
	He's a Poppy Bush guy or George W. Bush guy.
	I thought he might have been born in Canada because his name is French.
	Yeah, we should have sent him back right away.
	That's a good point.
	Here, in the end of it, it says, in light of the above, this court grants the petitioner's motion and provisionally certifies the following class for the purpose of preliminary injunctive relief.
	All current and future persons who are born on or after February 2025, where that person's mother was unlawfully present in the United States, and the person's father was not a United States citizen at the time, yada, yada.
	And the person's mother's presence in the United States was lawful but emergent.
	So that's that aside.
	Two questions.
	So first of all, everything you, to a greater degree, but we called weeks ago, class action certification, universal class action.
	And now anybody, current or future persons.
	Now, I did hear it on TV.
	So I was, huh?
	I was like, hold on a second.
	My lefty friends have been telling me now for 40 years that a child has no constitutional rights of any kind and is not a person until they are physically born.
	And not now.
	According to the ACLU, the future people that, and these are people that are women who aren't even pregnant, who aren't even pregnant, That just might be born somewhere in the future.
	You have this class.
	I mean, these class actions are insane.
	It's every person who could possibly be born.
	Every person could be born.
	I've never heard of a class action like that.
	If we're going to recognize personhood, then why do we have legalized abortion laws of any kind?
	Where's the class action for them?
	There won't be one because these judges will suddenly reverse because they're end-oriented justices who don't care about the rule of law at all.
	Yeah, Tim Poole brought up the great point.
	Well, this is where I, that's where I just gave credit where credit's due.
	It says, Tim Poole brought up a great point that the ACLU set up a class action for future persons in pro-life groups.
	If they want, they can use the ban on abortion.
	The question is, not the question.
	The reality is they'll just not follow this precedent.
	But I was trying to read it.
	I was trying to read it in any way that made sense that it didn't cover unchildren.
	There isn't.
	There's a short answer.
	So bottom line, Tim Poole had a great insight on that, if it was originally his or not.
	But the reality is of the legal world, they ain't going to give one sweet bugger all.
	And when that shoe comes time to fall, it'll fall and they'll find a way to weasel out of it.
	But if it gets overturned, as it should and they should get spanked, then that class certification doesn't even become not res judica, but it becomes sort of bad law.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, hopefully this gets overturned by the Supreme Court.
	But the Supreme Court's going to have to step back in because it's clear that what the conservatives warned about is coming to fruition.
	The lower courts have found a way to do the same thing, to muck up the president's ability to enforce immigration law by instituting class action universal injunctions that are as unconstitutional as the ones they gave before.
	Robert, before we get into the other stuff, I want to not catch up, but get caught up on vivabarnslaw.locals.com and our tip questions there where we've been very, very patient.
	I'll read them, but we're not going to answer the questions twice if we've already answered them.
	Gray 101 says Trump needs to see the Epstein list isn't about punishing celebrities.
	Hiding the list says our loved ones and us can be freely raped as long as the rapist net worth is high enough.
	That hits everyone at an instinctive level.
	JR Mac 85, 10 bucks.
	I think they should pitch Trump.
	Hey, you should get out of DC and persuade your base on your actions and let the audience give their reply.
	I'm not sure I get that one.
	Is Trump King Theodan of Rohan?
	Who is Grima?
	What the hell is that?
	This is not English.
	So that's a great Lord of the Rings reference.
	To the king that's that good king, but he gets occupied, possessed, if you will, by bad faith actors and bad faith advisors that lead him down the wrong path for a period of time.
	Then there's a redemption arc in the movie.
	Gray 101 says, President Trump also promised a Fort Knox audit.
	Where's the gold, Trump?
	Art Cedara says, we need to hear from Brianne Dressen of React 19.
	Her groundbreaking lawsuit against AstraZeneca, denied dismissal by the court, challenges their failure to honor a contract for medical costs from COVID-19 vaccine trial injuries.
	The precedent-setting case is a legal must.
	Her coping with mRNA injury.
	Senate testimony.
	I want to check this out.
	Worth a shot.
	I'm going to reach out to her if I can.
	Gray 101.
	Why are Trump and the EPA fighting in court to keep fluoridation in the American water supply?
	Yeah, that makes no sense.
	It's another example.
	So in the Brooke Jackson case, they're pretending that the Trump administration loves vaccine so much that they refuse to allow anybody to second-guess it, even if they agree all of our allegations and accusations against Pfizer are true.
	That is directly contradicted by Secretary Kennedy and President Trump.
	So why is Pam Bondi's DOJ lying to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals about the position of the Trump administration?
	For the same reason they're lying about fluoridation.
	She's paying no attention.
	She is literally asleep at the wheel.
	I don't know what the memes are.
	I mean, like, the meme of all time is going to be when you don't, when you want to say you've got something done, but you're never going to get it done, you're just going to say it's on my desk like Pam Bondi.
	We got COVID.
	Let the record show that I'm willing to pay for Richard Barris' rent.
	Hold on, I got to get back to the page here.
	Where is it here?
	That was from Chris Kraft2.
	Thank you very much.
	Liam Surgis, here's a helpful graphic for my early efforts to raise awareness about Susie Wiles.
	Make good use of it.
	Well, let me just see this here.
	The thing is, I got to double check this before I can share it.
	Yeah, that's accurate because that's the PR and lobbying firm she was a part of.
	And you look at the profile, it's disturbing.
	Kimmy Hunt says, hey, everybody, praise God for a miracle one year ago today.
	This week I begin my internal radiation treatments.
	They take six to eight hours per treatment in addition to chemo infusions.
	So please pray for me.
	Kimmy's got a givesend go.
	It's giftsendgo.com forward slash kimmy guy.
	Yeah, do you see me on my back?
	I don't know, but your mic just, oh, no, say something again.
	Your mic just got loud.
	No, no, you're, no, now it's off.
	Okay, chop.
	No, it should be back on now.
	Yeah, perfect.
	Bender is great.
	Viva, check your P.O. box.
	Richard, have you been talking to J.D. Vance?
	I forgot to ask him that.
	Robert, I'm feeling lucky about the Calci Epstein files bet.
	Any news or rumors?
	We talked about that.
	Andrew Pixilato, the gun show in town.
	Rich is taking his gym time seriously.
	I want my MMA pollster charity drive.
	Rich Barris versus G. Elliott Morris.
	All proceeds to pediatric cancer research.
	Lucas Farber.
	Question for Rich.
	I'm sick of the Republican Party's continued betrayal to the core issues of MAGA and lately even Trump's betrayal.
	I'll be voting for a third-party local running for governor here in Alabama.
	I don't see Touberville fighting the good old boy system.
	How does this translate to the rest of the country?
	Do any third-party independent candidates have a chance?
	And how will this affect the two-party messaging?
	I did, we did actually cover that.
	It was a huge boost, Elon Musk this past week.
	I mean, I'll put it that way.
	What does this say here?
	Oh, JD Vance.
	JD Vance talking about how obviously nonsense the official narrative is about Epstein.
	He has hammered this for years.
	Remember when we learned that our website was testing this week?
	He just stayed real quiet trying to figure out how the heck to dodge this nightmare.
	Yeah, and there was a good one from Don Jr. as well.
	The risk of retweeting those, people are going to think you're trying to shame the person who wrote them.
	P. Diddy got off.
	Unfortunately, correct choice of language, Rich.
	Bondi is terrible, must-go.
	No matter who does enter the White House, prosecution, yada, yada.
	Dr. Moore.
	I didn't get blamed for that.
	She let Marian Comey run the case.
	They ran a bogus cover-up case disguised as a prosecution.
	And they let him off.
	And then they decide, hey, after we help cover up for Diddy, let's cover up for Epstein, too.
	That'll be a big winner with our base.
	Average Joe says, Barnes, you're 100% right about Susie.
	S. Rand says, Epstein is about Trump administration running around yelling, promises made, promises kept.
	And this, Lobertarian, Barnes, Barris, what are the odds that Trump does an extra face and palm blonde?
	50%.
	50% by year's end.
	Where's the Epstein files lies in the deep state?
	They need to be drugged into the sunlight to wither the worn burned out and then Lansing.
	Everybody knows.
	How did this guy?
	Like, I was looking in the memo.
	I was like, okay, so all the conspiracies and allegations are false.
	Okay.
	Then tell me, how did he make all his money?
	They can't answer a single question.
	That fraud Dodd Witch.
	Les Wexner gave him all the money out of the goodness of his own heart, gave him power of attorney out of the goodness of his own heart.
	Paul Dance, South Carolina Senate, Rich can take North Carolina seat.
	I will only be satisfied when there are sufficient screeching coming from the NRSC Pixadillo.
	Kobe's, if there are arrests for Comey Brennan, is that enough to cover up the Epstein debacle?
	There won't be, by the way.
	It helps.
	It helps.
	Will it fully suffice?
	No, but it'll be in the right direction.
	Yeah, it's not going to happen, though.
	He only made that clear by how arrogant he was running around doing everything.
	There's a certain way you hear about those things.
	You don't hear about leak of a referral.
	That means nothing.
	That happens every day in Washington.
	You look for grand jury subpoenas, people talking about being called in front of grand juries.
	That's not happening at all because she's not doing her job on that ear either.
	Like, there was Trump saying, hey, she's working real hard on the election.
	Doing what?
	Doing what?
	I've known to have heard it was Tosi Gabbard who outed China's involvement in trying to corrupt our 2020 presidential election.
	It wasn't Pam Bondi.
	What has she done?
	Big fat zero.
	Big fat zilch.
	Big fat Nada.
	Let me get this one.
	President Trump is willing to destroy his presidency, destroy America for Israel.
	That's the bottom line, says Kay Trimbach.
	Crash Davis says the dumbest thing real Donald Trump could do is fire Bongino Epstein.
	It is all about the elites getting away with it again.
	No justice.
	Elites can rape our daughters and sons.
	No justice.
	Elites can use COVID to destroy middle-class America.
	No justice.
	Elites can destroy small business.
	So MAGA has no money to fight.
	French Revolution.
	Destroy middle class.
	I'm just reading the tweet, people.
	Destroy the food of the middle class.
	Feed my family.
	Invest in high-risk investments and be bailed out.
	Silicon Valley mortgage crisis.
	Joe Maskew for Barris, what is the GOP, House, and Senate going to do in 2026?
	What is JD going to do?
	We got to that.
	Pixadilla, did I just hear the George 2020 Senate runoff vote justification?
	You simply must put us in power because otherwise the Dems will remove the filibuster.
	Yeah, we talked about that.
	Crash 105.
	Viva Barnes.
	I'm just an average American vet.
	I can smell shit when it runs deep.
	We all want to be proud.
	We all want our pound of flesh of these millionaires.
	We all know how the world works.
	And he did not do this by himself or for himself.
	Trump needs to realize that we love him.
	We love the career, but absolutely.
	Piscadilla back in the house.
	Bondi didn't just find out about Dr. Moore's case.
	I'm convinced she continued to order the prosecution, which we already have known, and Wiles are best buddies with Pfizer.
	Hold on, what is this?
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	And let's take a couple more here.
	Don't remember when Ghislaine's trial, including the EU, and apparently Bondi has ordered the closing of all those cases against Pfizer.
	Don't remember Ghislaine's trial that we LawTube fans followed, and there was much discussion about the flight logs, list of alleged participants.
	Susie Cease says, facts.
	Please invite political analyst Rob Noor on the show.
	He's a regular Joe.
	Okay, good.
	Robert, let's get some more cases, and then we're going to come back and finish those up in a bit.
	We got to go to him.
	Okay, go for it.
	Yeah, yeah, we got some rapid fire.
	So 9-11 police plea.
	So what is people that are aliens?
	Go ahead.
	I'll do the summary because I got a couple of questions in this.
	This was the one where it was the Biden administration that gave a plea deal to Shalik, Sheikh Muhammad, whatever the mastermind.
	And the plea deal was no trial, life in prison, you agree to it.
	I don't remember how it got outed to the public.
	I remember we talked about it and you were saying this is totally scandalous.
	They thought it was going to fly under the radar.
	The families were totally, totally devastated.
	They wanted a trial.
	I think it was a plea deal without...
	Death penalty.
	What it was.
	It took a death penalty off for the organizers and orchestrators of what are alleged organizers and orchestrators.
	And they were going to sit down and participate in committee hearings or whatever to answer questions.
	People were going to say, people were saying, there will be no trial.
	There'll be no perjury.
	There'll be no under oath.
	And whatever they, they're going to sit down.
	And why would you agree to sit down for a committee hearing or whatever the hell it was instead of sit down for a trial where there's penalty of perjury and we can rely on the evidence?
	Okay.
	The deal got made public.
	It got blown up.
	People were outraged and then they rescinded it.
	And now the question was the lawyers for Mahib, Sheikh Mohammed, whatever, said that they couldn't rescind it because he had already started satisfying his promises under the agreement.
	Court said they can rescind it.
	What was the controversy as to how it became public and why they were trying to slip it under the radar?
	So the, well, I mean, it would have slipped under the radar.
	It got public and the Secretary of Defense under Biden had to withdraw it.
	But then the defendants were like, hold on a second.
	You don't get a chance to withdraw it because we've already partially performed.
	And plea agreements are interpreted by a contract law.
	Now, the issue here was statutorily, he has unique authority.
	I'm not a big fan of this.
	We have these fake courts, quasi-courts, whatever you want to call them, at Gitmo.
	And I'm not in favor of these quasi-courts out in no man's land that, you know, and the excuse is that they're aliens, that they're not citizens, and you can prosecute them anywhere without meeting U.S. standards, U.S. constitutional requirements, U.S. legal process, anything else.
	But leave that as it may.
	And this is a 9-11 plea deal done, what, 20 years after the fact?
	So there's those issues present.
	But the court ultimately determined that the authority is so broad for the military under the statutes Congress wrote for this kind of legal proceeding that they can just summarily revoke a plea deal as long as there hadn't been substantial performance by the defendant to their detriment.
	And their argument, the court's conclusion was that hadn't happened yet.
	So that's how the 9-11 plea got thrown out.
	And basically, to say they had made no, I guess, damning admissions.
	They hadn't started satisfying any disclosure obligations.
	So they would say, like, well, I already did the work on your lawn.
	You got to pay me.
	This was like, you didn't start the work and I can cancel the contract before you get started.
	I mean, the problem is once you sign a plea deal like that, the idea that it could get set aside, because the problem is if the defendant takes the stand, there's their own case, the plea deal often can come in if they can allege perjury.
	So to me, once the plea deal is signed by a defendant, they've substantially complied.
	So I disagree with the court's analysis.
	It's funny because I was thinking the same thing.
	Like, they've effectively admitted guilt, and then the question is: are they going to be able to use that against them at any point in the trial?
	And the answer is yes, under certain circumstances, because they have all these ridiculous carve-outs.
	So, and notice the court decision doesn't address that, and that's what tells you they're being disingenuous.
	But it's the district of corruption, and if you're the proper political target, they don't care about your constitutional rights.
	Apparently, I just got Encryptus just sent me a tweet.
	It says President Trump announces that the United States is spending $0 on the upcoming weapons to Ukraine.
	Okay, fine.
	And apparently he said Bongino.
	At least that's a slight improvement.
	I got to hear it because a couple of those tweets have now been missing.
	It wasn't Encryptus' tweet, but the one about Bongino was not the praising, like, all is good with Bongino, like some people might have thought it was.
	Hold on.
	Okay, good.
	I do think he's trying to rope Bongino back in.
	I think, again, Bongino pleasantly surprised me.
	You know, your take was right, or it was better than my take, at least, on Bongino because he's shown real hootspah, which I didn't think he had.
	Some people are going to say, like, oh, he waited too long to put his foot down.
	Please say and do something.
	I mean, most of them up there are scared to death to do anything that has any courage.
	And, you know, credit to Bongino for stepping forward.
	Now, I think he needs to continue it.
	If they don't get resolution within a couple of weeks, Bondi's still there, nothing's changed on Epstein, and nothing's changed on these other cases, then it's time to go back to podcasting.
	Bongino, the podcaster, would be utterly ruthless towards what Pam Bondi has done at Justice.
	Yeah, well, and who knows how it plays out when he's at liberty to discuss, maybe, you know, it'll be interesting what he might offer.
	But the thing is that he was in an impossible situation where you bail out too early, you sabotage the administration, and you want the administration to succeed, but you stay there, silences violence, and literally in this case, like you'll be complicit for the sins of the administration.
	And at some point, they're going to do the damage anyhow.
	So you may as well get out and let people know that you were never on board with it.
	It's clearly something is systemic.
	You're correct.
	Something systemic's at issue.
	Because you know, I mean, Bongino.
	There's no way Bongino does this at all unless the problem is just incurable and intolerable.
	It has to be horrendous for him to even think about this course of conduct, which tells you Bondi is a massive problem.
	I've heard it from many sources, but then there's like there's conflicting sources and conflicting strategy where people are saying, people were saying, like, you know, people are being told to go after Bondi.
	And then it's like, well, who's telling them to go after Bondi?
	And the idea is like, Susie Wiles doesn't like Bondi, but Susie Wiles and Bondi seem to be hand in hand.
	And I think they're both.
	Very deep.
	Very deep.
	I think they're in.
	Yeah, I think they're in it.
	She was the one who recommended Bondi to the president.
	She was the one who recommended him, and she was the one who recommended he stick by her.
	So this is all Wiles at heart.
	Smuppy Susie is up to her usual words.
	Yeah, and then I hear also people, the rumorings, this is Owen Schroyer from the Infowars.
	He put the video like people want Bond, not Bondi, they want Susie Wiles out, but nobody wants to be on the chopping block for being the person.
	See, I was having fun.
	I was on with Owen Schroer this past week.
	I was on with Benny, Benny Johnson.
	I had a lot of fun with Benny.
	Was on with a bunch of international news stations around the world covering different aspects of Epstein, all the rest.
	But in the process, you really got a universal reaction.
	And I was on with Owen.
	I was telling Owen, you know, that Christy Noam is very, Cory Lewandowski is particularly fond of her.
	Let's put it that way.
	And Owen was like, you've already got me in enough trouble.
	Can you stay at it like that?
	That aspect was like, okay, let's get at it.
	But speaking of questionable moves, look, I'm a huge supporter of Trump's tariff policy, but it needs to be an industrial policy.
	It needs to not be the stupid sanctions policy that the Biden administration did in weaponizing international institutions, weaponizing the dollar, weaponizing U.S. banks, weaponizing SWIFT access, weaponizing the U.S. financial system, and now weaponizing tariffs to make a political point.
	Separate that out.
	Deal with, I think it's wrongful, the persecution of Bolsonaro in Brazil.
	I think their censorship is outrageous.
	I share Mike Benz's objective that Trump needed to take corrective actions.
	I don't want it to come in the tariff context because the legal basis for that is all based on what Congress has delegated to the president because Congress has exclusive control over tariffs constitutionally unless delegated.
	And those delegations are not for it to be used as a personal sanctions.
	And the more egregious case, even though I often don't agree with her, the special counsel for the UN Commission on Human Rights, to which Palestine is a party, the U.S. is not.
	Israel is not, but Palestinians are.
	So that gives them authority.
	She's just been doing reports.
	I don't agree with the genocide language or any of that kind of language.
	I don't agree with what's happening in Gaza, but I don't agree with that language because legally the genocide is the deliberate intended mass murder of entire population.
	I think what Israel is trying to do is purge is no longer self-defense.
	I'm not buying that.
	I think they want to purge the Palestinians out of Gaza.
	They think that's the more secure that would make, but they're not looking to mass murder them.
	That's where I disagree with her analysis.
	However, it's common analysis within the human rights world and strict and clearly within her role in the UN.
	What are we doing individually sanctioning now political people we just disagree with anywhere in the world?
	And now they're doing it for Israel again.
	Again.
	It's a problem because we all hate the UN and some of us might even disagree with the positions.
	UN gone, ICC gone, I'd be the happiest camper in the book.
	So it's not because I defend those.
	It's just this undermines his tariff policy and is we're telling the world you can't trust us.
	If the U.S. has control over anything, if we're in a negotiation with you, we'll secretly sabotage and blow you up like we did in Iran, like we did in the Ukraine and Russia.
	That's the message that came out of that.
	Whether it's right or wrong, that's the message that came out.
	It's an interesting distinction you make in that, you know, tariffs are an economic policy, but not a sort of extrajudicial one.
	I kind of, you know, the vengeful side of me, although I think it's more justice, did not mind the threat of tariffs on Brazil for everything they've done.
	But it's true.
	Now, I mean, for the president to have- I'm a skeptic of sanctions policy and whatnot, but there are other specific ways he could deal with that that would target the offending issue.
	Better than what the world looks at is they now see they're increasingly seeing Trump as just temperamental and the Trump is giving too much ammunition to his adversaries.
	And then again, it's like, why we keep taking all these, so a lot of a focus on deporting students has become all focused on Israeli issues.
	And now we're starting to convert sanctions policy into Israeli issues?
	It's like, what the heck?
	So I think legally it was problematic announcing those sanctions.
	Now I'll discuss that, the Epstein files, and the role of the judicial and legal system around the world, whether it works really, or whether it's a branch of government that's mostly failed globally, whether we're talking about BB's efforts at judicial reforms in Israel, what's happening in Brazil with censorship in Bolsaro, what's happening with the International Criminal Court issuing warrants now for both Putin and Netanyahu, whether we're talking about the United Nations special counsel now being sanctioned.
	Is the legal idea of the rule of law, which, you know, interestingly enough, Putin is probably the biggest advocate of.
	They call Russians with attitude, calls them an autist when it comes to the law.
	I share that rule of law belief because of how valuable it can be in predictability of behavior and respecting traditional conservative values of a kind.
	But increasingly, they think that these things are undesirable because we'll weaponize them for political partisan purposes whenever we want.
	And I don't understand what the logic of some of these policies are, but they also are putting into doubt Trump's tariff policy by undermining its legal basis.
	But I'll be on with a Duran tomorrow at 10 a.m. Eastern Time, so an earlier time than normal because I'm up here in New York City, to discuss all of those geopolitical fallout components.
	I had a thought it had to do with what you just said about weaponizing.
	Well, Mahmoud Khalil is now suing the government for $20 million for what he alleges was an abuse of his civil rights, violation of his constitutional rights.
	What I was going to say is like, oh, that is what I was going to say.
	Where do people come up with these money terms?
	You know, I represent ordinary working people that get absolutely hammered, and I have to beg for small amounts of money from judges and juries and folks right now.
	In Canada.
	20 million.
	I serve 90 days in a detention center, and I was supposed to get $20 million?
	Well, I mean, the guy out of Canada, the 15-year-old kid who killed an American soldier, he got 10 million, but he went through years and years of torture.
	And even still, you know, it's 10 million bucks to someone who's, I guess, objectively something of a terrorist, or, you know, it depends on who you ask.
	20 million, Mahmoud Khalil is suing the government for.
	Now, some people say going after Mahmoud was not about necessarily the legality of the decision, although it's quite clearly relatively discretionary, but it was about a question of sending a message to all other students.
	Going after these illegal aliens, the way they're doing it is about sending a message to shut down, you know, effectively getting the border to shut down and getting people to self-deport.
	Now, I say the chickens are not coming home to roost.
	We'll see what happens with the lawsuit.
	He's suing for 20 million, violation of constitutional rights, unlawful arrest or unlawful confinement.
	You know, he's harping on the fact that his wife was eight months pregnant when they did this, that they locked him away for three months, that he didn't get to see the birth of his child, that they took him from New Jersey or New York to Alabama or Mississippi.
	Which one was it?
	Or Louisiana.
	They took him to some of the southern states where we were talking about getting a different jurisdiction of a judge or a different type of judge in that jurisdiction.
	But I say they sort of made it easy to file the lawsuit.
	They absolutely did.
	I mean, it's like, note the contrast, right?
	Like in the Epstein case, they're uber careful, very restrictive, very limited, don't want to take any, make any mistakes.
	But in a lot of these immigration cases, they just run forward without any level of, like, this guy was clearly not the highest priority target, right?
	I mean, I get it.
	He was involved in criminal conspiracies to trespass on college campuses.
	That's my number one issue?
	That's the American people's number one issue?
	You go to great lengths and expend all this political capital because this guy doesn't like Israel.
	That's what it looks like.
	It looks like the American administration, that the Trump administration, top 10 priorities, whatever Israel wants.
	What America wants, maybe we'll get to that someday.
	But first is Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel.
	And it's not looking good, frankly.
	I mean, Glenn Greenwald's criticism and the criticism from what I call the anti-establishment left that this looked like speech suppression, increasingly, that's what it does look like.
	I said I had no problem if these people are involved in criminal behavior.
	But the First Amendment does indeed protect immigrants here in the United States from being punished solely based on their speech.
	So I don't mind if they're actually funding Hamas, if they're actually taking over organ campuses.
	He had made statements along those lines.
	But clearly he wasn't the highest priority.
	This is like a wish list by Israel given to the U.S. government and it just doing its bidding at whatever it demands.
	And this is going to crush Trump if it continues down this path.
	If they're finding favorable judges to issue nationwide injunctions, they're going to find a favorable judge or favorable jury.
	I don't know if it's going to happen.
	You don't pick up the Tufts girl who just wrote an editorial, right?
	There's plenty of actual criminals you can get.
	And you can even meet the additional advantage of closing down the criminals involved in riots and the rest and even help Israel to a degree.
	You just don't make whoever Israel doesn't like the top priority no matter what.
	Robert, you know what?
	You know what really helps Israel is on the 4th of July tweeting about Israel.
	This is the original tweet.
	I found the original tweet, not a screen grab.
	Ted Cruz, happy 4th of July.
	Today is also the 47th anniversary.
	Daring and Tebby raid.
	Every time I read it, I swear to you, it's like a sponsored.
	It should say, this is a sponsored act.
	There's no way to make sense of that leap from the edge.
	I'm always in favor of the old comedian proposal that all of our senators and congressmen should have to be like NASCAR drivers.
	All their donors and sponsors, they should have to wear all their uniforms.
	Who was it that's the thing?
	Now, of course, Pam Blondie would just have the big, huge Pfizer endorsement all over her.
	So it would probably take up all the space.
	Robert, we've got to take the party over to Vivabarn's Law.locals.com for the afternoon.
	Yeah, Second Amendment gun nuisance cases.
	When being in a sex cult might be First Amendment protected.
	We've got Trump's right to fire under the Supreme Court decision, third parties, the public right to discovery, RFK Jr. being sued for simply telling the truth about COVID vaccines, and the Fair Bet Act, which is meant to correct the egregious aspects of the Big Beautiful bill that were meant to unconstitutionally tax gamblers.
	Now, we're going to do that there because we've done quite a bit over here.
	We'll go rapid fire.
	Now, I just want to remind everybody.
	My pizza restaurant appointment here in New York City.
	I love it.
	It's an appointment.
	When you don't want to call something a reservation, it's an appointment.
	And then if nothing else.
	It's an appointment.
	It's always an appointment.
	If it's important and good, it's an appointment.
	By the way, the new merch is up and I love it.
	This is thank you for your attention to this matter on VivaFry.
	We've got the one.
	If you think this was an insult to Trump, you can get, you know, if you're a liberal Democrat.
	Epstein case matters.
	Thank you for your attention to this matter.
	No one's going to wear a shirt that says Epstein.
	I was joking with my brother the other day.
	Epstein is like the modern.
	I'm not trying to be funny.
	That name is as now notorious as Hitler.
	And like one day, everyone's going to be, why is my last name Epstein?
	I cannot say my last name without being associated with that.
	Be a force multiplier.
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	What else was I going to say?
	Yeah, Monday, we'll be on with a Durant at 10 a.m. to break down the geopolitical consequence.
	How risky is this for Trump?
	How risky is it for the world?
	The decisions he's made on Epstein and others.
	But otherwise, won't be back with Bourbon with Barnes until Thursday night because they got to go to Philadelphia.
	Another Amish farmer being harassed in another case, helping him out.
	And then on Wednesday, the McGiddy case, the case that's about the wrongful, the attempted imprisonment and criminal prosecution of a woman for recording her own legal proceedings, documenting fraud in the case.
	We'll have that before the Court of Appeals.
	Harme Dillon does continue to do good work at the Justice Department, but these are some other highlighted examples.
	The McGiddy case, the Tina Peters case, the Benchu case.
	Where is Pam Bondi?
	Because I haven't seen her anywhere on any of these cases that involve egregious civil rights violations of American citizens.
	Tina Peters.
	I don't know if that firing Bondi is easy.
	Who will replace it that can get nominated and be bold smart enough to tackle the deep state DOJ Bailey?
	Dude, start with a recess appointment of somebody like Ed Martin or Matt Gates, but you've already got Jarmee Dylan approved, so you could just elevate her.
	just heard solomon talking to bannon that a special counsel is about to drop that would that would be one way Said, easy solution, appoint a special counsel, people can have confidence in.
	Don't let this issue linger.
	Don't keep gaslighting your own voters.
	I'm not, well, Nathan Danny, I'm not going to point that out because I don't want anybody.
	No, point that out.
	You can draw those conclusions.
	I read the book.
	I listened to it of the life story of Mark Hopis from Blink 182.
	And I did notice it was striking in terms of timeline in the book where he was talking about the vaccine COVID during 2020, how he was volunteering to administer the jabs and how they got the early doses of the jabs.
	And then nine months later, he has aggressive lymphoma, stage four.
	So I mean, he didn't put any connections together in the book.
	And I'm not trying to look like a jackass saying like, because who knows?
	But okay, there was that.
	And then there was one more before we head on over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	Randy Edward, professor on the Bulwark podcast, stated class action is restricted to individuals.
	Bulwark podcast is ACLU level, LGBTQ, one and the same.
	What's the over-under that Trump actually fixes this mess?
	He's got to do it.
	He's got money.
	I would say 50-50.
	50.
	I mean, and I said it just because Trump has had an extraordinary capacity to turn on a dime when needed.
	But you just sometimes have to scream, yell, hoot, and holler to get him to do so.
	Or you won't.
	There's a lot.
	I didn't realize we met.
	Vita Fry and Benny Johnson video just dropped.
	I'm watching that next.
	Harry Toy.
	Yeah, it's a good one.
	I was on with Benny last week.
	I was on with Megan Kelly last week.
	I was on with Owen Schroyer also.
	Did Megan give you a shout out for nailing the PDF?
	She played that clip.
	And I'm also, I'm going to get another one on Megan Kelly because it looks like I was right on Bongino and Patel, or at least that situation.
	So I'll be able to pull that clip in a bit.
	Yeah, I've been on a roll, Robert.
	I don't want to jinx it.
	I asked ChatGPT about the similarities between Charleston 1861 and Los Angeles 2025 striking overlap.
	Can Barnes talk to the possibility of Los Angeles being a spark for a second civil war?
	It's definitely a risk.
	It's not the highest risk at the moment, but it is a risk.
	Okay, T1990 think Penal Shaz helicopter tours.
	How can an unborn have a right to birthright citizenship?
	Okay, we talked about that.
	And the, okay.
	Oh, yeah, Barnes, what's the recommendation for the pizza place?
	You don't want to say you're going to...
	There's a ton of real...
	So you can't go wrong.
	Just find out.
	Listen to locals.
	Listen to New Yorkers because they know what they're talking about when it comes to food and pizza.
	Except bagels, the New York bagel sucks, and it will always suck.
	Montreal bagels rule.
	They're not quite as bad as the standard Lester's bagel, but they're bad.
	All right, so we're going to bring it on over to VivabarnsLaw.locals.com.
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	Oh, we've got to raid.
	We got to raid someone.
	That's what I almost forgot to do.
	What about Nerd Rodic?
	Let's go raid Nerd Rodic.
	Nerd Rodic would be perfect.
	They were giving the review of Superman on their Friday Night Tits show.
	Nerd Rodic.
	He's got an introduction to Friday Night Tights and some of his Nerd Rodic shows that has us in some of them.
	Oh, well, it has me in them.
	Yeah, we got to get you on Friday Night Tits.
	Got to get Viva Fry on there to discuss culture and commentary.
	Nerd Rodic is great.
	I think Nerd Rotic might have had raids turned off.
	Encryptus, let me know if you got it.
	And Blackstone Kitties.
	All good.
	All right, good.
	So hold on.
	I want to go see the chat.
	When you go there, make sure to be loud and obnoxious when you get...
	When you get in there, there we go.
	Viva has raided the chat, and now I'm going to go Viva Raid Rock on.
	Boom.
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