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Aug. 18, 2018 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 359 - Paul Sinclair Update
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Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast.
My name is Howard Hughes and this is The Return of the Unexplained.
Can't believe we're so far through the year now.
This is the final show of August.
We're looking ahead to our shows in September through the autumn into the winter and of course staring down the barrel of 2019 and another year of the unexplained, which will be the 13th year the podcast edition has been on air.
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This edition of the show is featuring a guest who is incredibly popular.
And sometimes you meet people through this show and you realize that they're not aware of how big the work that they are doing is going to be and how much prominence it's going to get.
Some of our well-known guests on this show, of course, are already in that situation.
Their work is big and it's prominent.
People like Linda Moulton Howe and Richard C. Hoagland and the scientists we've had here who are already well-known in their own right.
People who already had a reputation and were popular like the man who writes the missing 411 books, David Paul Leidas, who's been on this show many times and we must get him back again.
And then there are people who are, at the stage that I talk to them, incredibly new to it all.
People like Jason Gleaves, who I think did his first interview about UFO images and photographs and sifting the ones that are seemingly genuine from the ones that are seemingly not.
Jason, I think, did his first interview with us, certainly one of his first interviews and is now being featured on shows around the world, including the very biggest.
And I'm very proud of that.
And Paul Sinclair, who did do his first interview with me about the truth-proof books.
This man based in Yorkshire in the UK is absolutely prolific.
He talks about high strangeness in an area of what they used to call the east riding of Yorkshire, the eastern part of Yorkshire, around the coast and somewhat inland, where there have been a variety of unusual happenings, a high concentration of disappearances, cats disappearing, electrical fluctuations.
And more recently, he's been spending a lot of his time investigating, and we talked about this on the radio a couple of months ago, he's been investigating ongoing animal mutilations in that area, which are very odd and bear all the hallmarks of things that happen in other parts of the world, including the United States.
We're going to catch up with him about all of his work and in particular these mutilations and what he's found out about them.
Some of the precise locations to protect the farmer involved or farmers involved, we can't mention, but you'll get the idea of what's going on here.
So, Paul Sinclair, returning to this show.
Thank you very much for all that you've done for me and for being with me.
I'm not going to hang about now, and I will do some shout-outs probably on the next edition, get together a lot of your emails and address some of the points you make.
But let's get to the north of England now from my base in London, UK, and talk again to Paul Sinclair.
Paul, really good to have you back on.
Thank you very much, Howard.
It's always a pleasure to be on the show and being able to share the information.
Now, what I want to do with you first off is for new listeners, because both of us are gathering new listeners and new interest all the time, just to explain a little bit about you and where you are and where this area of what I've dubbed high strangeness is.
So, first of all, you know, you and your location.
Well, my location is Bridlington, the little fishing town on the East Yorkshire coast.
But the books, the truth-proof books, sort of centre around, I would say, a 30-mile radius of Bempton and Flamborough.
These areas are sort of renowned for high, as you've just said, Howard, high strangeness.
Even out at sea with the military aircraft that have crashed in mysterious circumstances over the years, I know we touched on that previously, you know, ZA610, XS894, ZE723, all these tornadoes and lightning aircraft disappeared off radar in what has to be considered very strange circumstances.
And there's a lot more than that.
But I know you don't want to dwell on the aircraft too much today.
I'm always happy to go there.
And of course, the phenomenon that seemed to start it all for you, certainly with the first edition of Truth Proof, which I'm holding in my hand right now, Paul.
And we did, I think, your first broadcast interview about this that you'd ever done.
And of course, now you're doing them everywhere.
But that phenomenon is the phenomenon of lights or orbs.
Some of those lights appearing somewhat in land And some of them observed by even the most hardened of trawlermen, people on fishing boats, you know, who go out to sea, they know what they're looking at, they don't mess around, and they observe them too.
And that's been an ongoing phenomenon.
And I think that was more or less your starting point with all of this.
It certainly was, and it's an incredible ongoing phenomenon.
I urge anybody who could potentially get access to lifeboat logs, obviously with their permissions and Coast Guard, that will probably be a little bit more difficult, but you'll see where I'm going with this in a moment, Howard.
These logs have documented these lights for decades and decades, as long as documentation has been in existence.
And there's no cover-up or no conspiracy here.
But the amount of call-outs in yearbooks, and I've looked at lots and lots of books now from around these lifeboats and Coast Guard stations around our area, I've been lucky enough to look at them and gather information.
And we've got nine-hour call-outs to members of the public, MOPs, member of the public, police officers, Coast Guards themselves, trawler men, who've reported seeing unusual lights out at sea, thought to be flares, but they're not acting and behaving like a flare would.
So in the report, as I said, there's no conspiracy.
They're not trying to cover it up, but unbeknown to them, they're even wording these things different.
For instance, if a boat's in distress, I don't know, whoever sees it, another boat, another fishing boat, or a member of the public, will report seeing burning flares or seeing a flare being sent up.
These lights, they're just getting reports of these orange and red spheres over the sea.
And as you said earlier, but these aren't in the lifeboat logs, up on the East Yorkshire Wolds and in North Yorkshire.
And the locations that they're seeing in people, they can't be Chinese lanterns.
I mean, we can't rule out Chinese lanterns for every case, but jumping back to the logs, they're documented four-hour call-outs, multiple lifeboat call-outs, Filey, Bridlington, Hornsey, the Humber lifeboat, helicopters from Leconfield, the Sea Kings, searching for these lights.
Something's got to be seen, but when they can't, when it's unresolved, you know, because I've looked at the log books and there's three pages basically to each call-out.
They have sheets to fill in, the initial log, details of the search, and then the resolution, how they've resolved it and what the conclusions are.
And a lot of them are unresolved with good intent.
And of course, when these things have appeared in the newspapers, which when you started researching them, they do periodically appear in the papers.
And, you know, when people start talking about things on the street, which again, they do, you know, there's a phenomenon of some kind that you're dealing with here.
But we talked around the various possibilities, including atmospheric phenomenon, you know, weather-related events, possibly something to do with there's always been a heavy military presence on that eastern coast all the way down from where you are and all the way right the way down to you know Suffolk and Kent really because of the strategic importance and we we've debated those things and there are no clear answers to any of it I wonder since we first talked about those things a couple of years ago now you clearly know a lot more
because you never stop researching.
Where are we at?
Well, the place we're at at the moment is the lights are still being seen.
They're still being reported.
Rock anglers and trawlermen are primarily the best sources to get this information from, and myself, because I spend so much time out there looking.
I mean, we have seen the lights this year.
What they are, I'm no closer to finding out what they are.
I mean, I did speak at length with Philip Mantle, who you maybe spoke to in the past.
Yes, I know Philip well, yeah.
Well, Philip believes that they're earth lights, but I'm not saying let's 100% rule earth lights out, because they've got to figure in the equation somewhere.
However, when you say earth lights, just for my listener who doesn't know what they are, what are they?
I think he's talking about the tectonic plates and the movement deep in the earth that's creating these lights that sort of emerge in a scene in the air and over the sea.
But the lights off Bempton and the lights off Flamborough and down towards Hull, they just appear in an instant.
They don't come up from anywhere.
They just literally appear.
They're so vibrant and so rich in colour.
And instantly they will punch into four or five equally spaced spheres of light, then switch off and appear in another part of the sky.
And to me, these aren't earth lights.
I mean, I'm not in a position to say Philip's wrong.
You know, everybody's in the end of the day, Howard.
All we're dealing with is personal opinion.
And I've spent a lot of years looking at these things.
And I do think that there's some kind of awareness to them.
When you say awareness, I think I get where you're coming from.
But again, let's just be clear about that.
Well, on the East Yorkshire Wolds, when me and a guy called Steve Ashbridge first started going out there, there was a chap who lives in some cottages, again, RAF Staxton Wold.
Now, this chap's been documenting and filming these lights for probably a couple of decades.
He's got more footage than anybody I know.
Richard D. Hall wanted to interview him a few years ago, and he declined.
I sort of spoke for him at last minute.
But this old chap will tell you the same thing.
You can be looking for these lights with cameras set up on tripods and sit there for hours up around Cottom near Easterby trailers.
These are names.
I wouldn't mention a name, Howard, if the people would have minded.
Do you know what I mean?
But me and Steve have often remarked, well, we're going to pack things away now.
And you watch, we're packing away.
And as crazy as it sounds, they appear.
Just as you're putting the cameras in the box and in the cases.
And then, you know, the guy at Staxton Wold said a similar thing.
Because I did ask him there.
They actually don't like going outside now on a night.
I mean, they're quite elderly.
But because of the things that they've seen and experienced, and I asked him to go out one night to see whether they could observe any sound, if he could hear anything, because they were coming quite close.
And he said they went, stood outside as two approached.
his wife accidentally stepped a little bit too far out and the the um outdoor light came on and these lights moved backwards and went round back of some barns.
And I do believe this man when he's telling me this because he's so reserved and so they're so into their own world.
We have to say something about the area.
I mean, this is an area where, you know, life over the centuries, over the years, for some people is not easy.
You know, it's a lovely area to live in, but it toughens people up.
And these are people who are, you know, they're not ones for entertaining, you know, what they call in Yorkshire daft stories.
They're not.
That's exactly true, Howard.
And, you know, the fishermen, hardened men, they don't want to share these stories.
They know what they've seen.
You sort of have to get, it's like peeling an onion.
You have to just get under the skin of these people.
And it takes years sometimes to gain the trust, like the farmers around Bempton that I've been spending time with for the last two years because of things that's happening there.
And the lights are being seen.
I'm not saying that we can attribute the lights to what's happening at Bempton, or I don't know what connects A to B here or B to C. But, you know, a Coast Guard made an interesting observation for me, sort of off record.
And this person said to me, you know, we've had binoculars on these lights over the sea from the Coast Guard station.
And we can't tell whether they're 20 miles away or two miles away because the light that they're emitting is not the same as the light that comes from a flare where it illuminates the area and you can see smoke.
And if there's a wind, it's traveling with the wind or it's slowing down.
So it's actually difficult for them to estimate distance because of the nature of the light.
Because of the nature of the light.
Because bearing in mind, from Flamborough and Bempton, depending on where you are on the cliffs, you're looking at about 20 to 22 miles to the horizon.
And this particular Coast Guard, retired now, but only recently, did say that to me.
He says, well, you know, we'll not talk about them.
We have seen them.
We do know what they are.
We don't know what they are, but we do know what you're talking about.
I need to reword that.
And as I say, these logs, full team called to investigate, I haven't got it in front of me, but I can sort of remember it.
Object on east corner of Thornwick Bay.
And they get the lifeboat out.
They get the helicopter up because of fishermen bass fishing on the rocks in Thornwick Bay, which would be very secluded at half past 10 at night late on in the year.
I've seen two huge globes of yellow light light up below the cliffs.
They don't look too far from the cliff face and just switch off.
And then, I mean, I've spoken to this guy, to be honest with you, at length several times.
He said, I just didn't know what I was looking at.
Carried on fishing.
And then they came on again.
He said, so I packed my gear up and I called the Coast Guard.
He says, I didn't know what I was calling the Coast Guard for, to be quite honest, because I knew they weren't flares.
But obviously, it's some kind of unexplained phenomena that's presented.
And as he wouldn't have known, but as you and I know, from your researches, the Coast Guard will have had an inkling of what he was talking about.
They would, yes, but they're never going to admit to it.
I mean, I speak to a Coast Guard quite often who's still active and working.
And he said, you know, you're never going to get us to say anything untoward, unexplained phenomena.
You'll never read anything like that in a log.
Well, I mean, that's been true of the military pilots and all the rest.
There are a whole mess of reasons that we've examined so many times.
I mean, the one thing that you and I haven't really discussed about these lights is the possibility, as you said, that they may in some way be interacting with us, which is chilling and fascinating and many other things, that they may react to what we do and think is a remarkable thought, isn't it?
It really is.
And I've spoken to different people over the years who've witnessed them.
Some have been in awe of them.
Some have had real fear.
It's absolutely frightened them to death.
You know, there's a phenomena seen at Bempton, and several independent witnesses, unconnected to each other, have contacted me over the years to report seeing a mushroom-shaped pale blue light on the cliff tops that covers quite a large area.
And they can see lights punching about inside it, but they can discern no shape.
And this has been seen, it's been observed on the old RAF base, it's been observed on the way down to Flamborough between the RAF base.
And I often wonder, I mean, this is once again, howard speculation, but what would a person do if they encountered that on the cliff path and had to pass through it?
I mean, what are we actually dealing with here?
I mean, the vision that I've just had, I'm trying to think what this would look like.
I'm just trying to see, we have the O2 Arena, the Millennium Dome in London, and that is a kind of arena of light with lights poking up from it when they've got some event there.
What you're describing sounds a bit like that.
I know there isn't an arena there, but the display of light that people are seeing.
They described it as a misty, milky blue light, the shape of a mushroom, with lights of all colours inside it that seem to be exploding or punching out.
As one guy said, I mean, this particular guy is quite a renowned character and not a kind of guy who would run away from an argument or anything.
And he told me that he saw it whilst walking Cliff Lane in the early hours of the morning several years ago.
See, that name Cliff Lane has come out in your books time after time after time.
Cliff Lane is such an interesting place.
We've got about a mile from the village of Bempton, and we've got this lane, Cliff Lane, a bit of a windy single-track road.
And it leads to nowhere apart from the RSPB, the bird sanctuary.
If you carried on going, you'd end up going straight over the sheer 200 to 400 foot cliffs, which that's the height of them ranging from that height.
I think Speeton is their tallest at 400 feet.
And they are absolutely sheer.
And obviously, during the daytime, in the summer months, lots of people visit the Bempton Nature Reserve.
But after dark and in the winter, very few people do.
But Howard, it's quite amazing the amount of people that have got stories to tell about strange things occurring on and around the area of Cliff Lake.
And as we've discussed before, you and your wife have.
Well, that's correct.
Several years ago now, but me and Mary have been up to the nature reserve of well, I've been a lot of times, but Mary doesn't want to go no more.
She actually touched the fencing of the nature reserve near the REF base, which isn't electrified, and got an electric shock.
And he stopped a watch, which in turn made me do some little experiments.
We called them the time experiments.
They sound far grander than they actually are.
It just involved putting eight digital watches in plastic containers of two in each container to see whether we would find two had stopped at the exact same time.
Because rock anglers who come up there, I can't remember the exact dates that they're allowed to fish, but obviously it's when the seabirds aren't nesting.
They've told me that they've had this sort of time slip, this time anomaly, where, I don't know, they might have come from Durham or somewhere to do their rock angling and looked at their watch, and it's nine o'clock.
And they think, oh, well, I'll have another hour.
And they've looked in what they perceive to be an hour, and it's still nine o'clock.
And a few of them have said that the watches have stopped up there.
So I don't know why.
I don't know whether there's some kind of magnetic anomaly up there that might be there.
We've got to bear in mind something that is probably above the pay grade of both of us.
And again, we've talked about this before, and I wonder if there's anything new to say about this.
But, you know, that area has a long tradition of military activity and current military activity and previous military activity and used and disused military installations.
But that whole East Coast is vital in any era strategically because, you know, next stop, when you look out from that East Coast, next stop, Russia.
So all sorts of things over the years we can only surmise have been used and deployed and tried out there.
I would entirely agree.
I mean, we've got the old RAF Bempton there, which came to Flamberg initially in 1940.
And the same year, because of the higher elevation, they moved to Bempton.
And, you know, that base, I think it closed in 1968.
They were probably still manned very lightly, even up until 72.
But that's an underground facility that we used as a radar base.
It was an experimental station for two or three times in its existence.
But I've got it on really good authority.
When I first started looking into the satanic element, I was sort of scratching around and thinking, did this really happen?
Was there a satanic cult operating below R.F. Bempton in the mid-1970s?
Well, there's a bunker there, and as you've told me before, there were, before they locked it up, signs of something going on there.
The inside, the underground part of the bunker, the walls are sort of festooned with what I would just call erotic art of a dark nature.
That would be the easiest way to explain it to anyone.
And anybody wanting to Google it, R.F. Bempton, you will find the images.
I don't think that necessarily signifies that a satanic cult was operating, but I've now got evidence.
People have told me that they brought things out of the bunker in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, such as robes and hoods and daggers and candlesticks where people had been actively, I don't know, worshiping or trying to conjure.
I don't know what the nature of the cult was or what they were up to.
But the robes did exist and they're not just sort of weak pillowcases that somebody threw over their head.
You see these well-made garments.
The first thought I had when I spoke to you the very first time you'd done an interview anywhere and we talked about this, and I loved your work.
I thought it was so well researched and put together and you put together such a good case.
But I thought, well, you know, if you investigate any area, you're going to come up with a lot of weird cases that appear to be odd and unresolved.
But the more I've talked to you and the more books you've put out, the more I'm coming to the view that this is, as I called it at the top of this show, an area of high strangeness.
And it's not just things that happened 50 years ago, 100 years ago.
These things are happening now.
Howard, this is ongoing.
During 2017, I spent four days a week at least, probably more, up on the cliff tops trying to film the light forms.
I'll briefly touch on it.
We've had a little bit of success, but as I say, they appear so quick, punch into a row, move to a different part of the sky that you've not got the camera rolling before they've gone.
However, I didn't realize during 2017 that whilst we were trying to film these objects, a little further inland, but not very far away, animals were being mutilated at alarming mutilations.
I mean, on New Year's Day, we had a walk to Danes Dyke to take with our little dog, me and my wife Mary, and we took the guy who lives in Danesdyke a little bit of food.
And he said to me, I've just missed the police.
And I said, oh, really?
Why have they been?
He said, well, they wanted to know if I've seen any unusual animals, in particular, a very unusual looking dog or anything.
And I asked him why, and he told me that they said in the previous weeks, 10 to 15 sheep had been killed around Bempton.
Well, that sort of got me interested.
And I did a little bit of digging.
I located the actual farm.
I located the farmer.
I asked if I could help him research what was killing his animals with nothing at all, Howard, to do with unexplained lights, UFOs.
I just purely wanted to research it.
I mean, my first port of call was every livestock auction in east and northeast England to see whether sheep farmers around the area were losing sheep.
And if they were talking about it, and of course, the first assumption that people make, certainly around where I live, is it's foxes.
Well, it is, yeah, people are saying that, but understand, up to 300 sheep were on this field at the time, and they'd got lambs, and it was only killing the ewes, 80 kilo ewes.
It hardly touched the lambs.
I mean, over the course of when I started looking into this, which I think was about June time, June, July, maybe, by the end of the year, it had done almost 50 sheep.
And it's still happening.
And the last one I found, I've been going up to the affected area now at 4.30 in the morning.
Most mornings, the only morning I didn't go, I think I just told you, we had a christening yesterday.
I didn't go yesterday morning, but I'll be there tomorrow.
The sheep actually think I'm the shepherd, I think.
I mean, farmers said that now.
At least they're getting used to you.
But when you see them, do they appear disturbed?
Do they appear uneasy?
you know when, we'll call it the phenomena because we don't know what's doing it.
And I'm not going to say lights are doing it, it could be people.
But whatever's doing it is efficient and very, very stealthy because nobody's seen a thing.
Cameras have been set up, the police have been with night scopes.
You know, when you lose that many sheep, even though the other farmers in the area don't want it spoken about, this poor man has to go to the insurance to try and recoup losses.
If you're going to the insurance company and you have to describe the nature of the injuries and whether any of the carcasses were taken and how they were attacked and all the rest of it, well, this is where it all starts to not add up.
You sent me some of the pictures and these creatures are, in some cases, forensically dissected with jaws removed and perfectly cut.
I mean, it's not pleasant to talk about, so if these things make you uneasy, tune out now, but perfectly surgically cut holes in their sides.
The last one, you've got some pictures of the last one that I found on the third.
And yeah, there's almost a triangular shaped incision in its side, probably three inches by two inches.
And where this poor animal's had its ear removed, it's down to the bone and it looks almost square.
And what's happened, it's been a good thing that I've been going up for the farmer because he's getting a better idea of the nature of the kill.
Because the last one I found, say 5.30 in the morning, 5 o'clock, I'm not sure, I was up there at half four.
But the last one I found, I called him at 7.30 to say that another animal had been killed.
And he came and collected it at dinner time because it was somewhere else.
I offered to help, but it was out.
But he said when he arrived, a flock of crows was on this animal.
So it looked totally different to when I saw it in the early hours of the morning.
And that's what's been happening.
I've been getting to these animals now.
And I don't know what predator, Howard, will skin the face of an animal and remove half an ear or all its ear.
And we can't be talking about people doing this for poaching, the equivalent of for meat and what have you, because that's not what they're taking.
It isn't, no.
I mean, I sent you an image of a rodeus stag.
Yes, I saw it.
Which I found on May the 9th of this year.
And what's strange is there was two stags found at a farm at Speaton.
And they have a gamekeeper on this farm, and they wouldn't let me look at the pictures.
Not for any other reason.
I think anybody would have asked.
They wouldn't have let them look.
They've got some images of it, but I'd been told the nature of the images.
And what's strange is I actually went in the early morning looking for a, it sounds macabre, no, looking for a mutilated deer and found one.
How crazy.
And it was underneath a hawthorn tree that had partly fallen down and shoots were growing off it and it had formed a canopy.
And I just looked under the canopy and there he was.
He was a young stag.
He probably weighed about 100 pounds and he'd not been dead long.
His eyes were glossy and black and the hole in his side was enormous.
The picture that you've seen is when I've actually turned the animal.
I was looking for bite marks, scratch marks, any signs of trauma on this animal.
And I had lots of time to look and there was nothing.
But the ribs were smashed to bits as though something had just obliterated the ribs.
And I couldn't understand that because the only thing missing, if you did want to look at the picture again, Howard, is half of its liver and no blood.
You know, in all these sheep kills, we're not seeing massive amounts of blood.
Does this mean that the animals are not hemorrhaging blood or that the blood is being removed?
What is the because I saw the picture, it doesn't look right.
It's not right, is it?
Well, you would think that they'd absolutely hemorrhaging blood at an alarming rate because the bulk of the sheep, I could have sent you more pictures, have literally had their throats torn out in what looks like one go.
One of the images, Howard, is shaped like a paper scraper.
If everyone listening can imagine the wedge-shaped wallpaper scraper, probably three-inch wide.
It just looks like that's gone straight through the side of its neck.
It's just incredible.
And usually they're having an ear removed and an eye removed, and it's on the right-hand side.
I don't understand the mechanisms, and you will never get...
Well, I have no idea, Howard.
I genuinely haven't.
All I know is that, as you've just said quite correctly, something is not right.
This is no normal predator.
And then you jump to the...
Because around the beaches, very close to this area, all through last year, harbour porpoise were being found high above the waterline with horrific holes straight through their jaws.
Obtaining the pictures of the porpoise, Howard, I have to admit, is much harder because I only found out about them when I started looking into the sheep.
And as I say, that was New Year's Day of 2018.
So we're saying that the porpoise at sea are being attacked, if we want to use that word for it, in the same way as the animals on land.
It looks that way to me.
I mean, it's always the jaw area.
I think I've got about six pictures of the porpoise.
I know there will be more because I think they've been found by rock anglers and people walking between Sueby and Phile.
And these poor animals, these marine mammals have been found high above the waterline, but with nothing more than a big hole underneath their jaw.
So something appears.
I mean, look, if you want to extrapolate from this, and I think it's fair to, because what else can we do but speculate, that something is interested in, for example, the articulation of the jaw mechanism, the functioning of particular organs, and knows how to remove these things in a precise and surgical way.
A precise and surgical way, but obviously it's devastating.
It's just instant life-ending to the animals involved.
And also a threat to the livelihood of the farmer and a lot of anxiety to The agricultural community, there, which you know, they've got enough to worry about making ends meet, making a living as it is.
That's correct.
And, you know, this particular area, I mean, something else we picked up on only a few weeks ago.
One of the farmers said to me, I said, he asked me how things were going, and I ended up having a chat with him.
Very remote.
I actually parked my car on his land so that I don't have to walk miles to get to it.
And I said, anything happened?
He says, I heard talking last night.
I said, you are sorry.
Bearing in mind, there's nobody about.
There's only this farmhouse.
He goes right outside of me again, that cornfield there.
He said, it sounded electronic.
I said, really?
Yeah.
So this guy said, you know, telling me this.
Not prone to fantasy, I don't think.
I mean, it's took long enough to get speaking to these people.
So I brought up an Olympus digital voice recorder and an old cassette one the next night, and we left them running.
Unbelievably, the cassette one, don't know why the digital one hasn't picked anything up, has picked up voices.
I used a microphone, you know, I'm trying to think of name a microphone.
It's one that hears noise from all directions.
Okay, so it's an omnidirectional microphone, as they call it.
But if they're both running and they're both functioning and they're still functioning when you pick them up, how could that be?
We don't know.
I actually played the tape deck one to him and he said, thank God for that.
He says, I thought I would go mad.
He says, sometimes you can come out at 10 and 10.30 on a night and you can hear people talking around you, but there's nobody there.
So it's very unusual.
So it's like voices in the air.
Yeah, and there's literally nothing there, Howard.
There's nobody there.
It's not distant voices from people in town or anything like that.
Well, it almost sounds like, you know, that phenomenon in the Whispering Gallery of St. Paul's Cathedral in London, where you can, you know, it's a big semicircular thing, big circular thing.
And you can sit down, turn to what's behind you, and because of the way it's acoustically worked, somebody way, way away from you around another part of your semicircle, hears what's being said.
It sounds like an acoustic phenomenon of some kind.
Yeah, well, but then if it was that, if it was a physical acoustic phenomenon, two recorders, different kinds, they should both pick it up.
That's correct.
And there's only the old tape-based one that did pick it up.
So what were the voices, what were you hearing when you heard that?
You hear a scream and then you hear laughter.
And then you hear just the cattle.
There's nothing to discern, but it's people talking.
It's very strange.
It really is.
I don't know, Howard, did I tell you that I got pulled backwards?
I don't know whether we did that when we last spoke.
No, I don't think it did.
In Danesdyke Wood, which is very close to this location.
And I went in with my wife.
It was the back end of 2017 and my little dog.
I had the camera with me.
I've always got a camera.
And I'm just walking through this little coppice of wood.
And I lifted the camera to take a picture.
And something took hold of my jacket on the right-hand shoulder and pulled me backwards.
And I looked round and looked at the branches first and think I've snagged onto the thawthorn or something.
That's what you think, yeah.
Yep, I looked at Mary, and she's sort of 20 foot away, little dog.
I mean, he's only as big as a Jack Russell, so it's not him.
And I thought, wow, that death.
I'll describe the sensation in a moment because we're one of them.
I know that happened, but I can't quite believe it happened.
So I carried on walking 10 minutes down the path and I lifted the camera and it happened again.
So there's no mistaking it.
But Howard, I absolutely twisted my head inside out trying to think of something, an analogy or think of something to describe that feeling.
And I think I've got it.
At first, I thought it felt like the dampers that go up on your car, on a hatchback car.
It was such a weird feeling of being pulled backwards, but I know what it was now.
And the listeners will know this and you yourself.
If you get two magnets and try to put them together and you know that invisible force that resists poles repel.
Yeah, it literally felt like that.
It just felt like I was being pulled backwards with that sensation.
I actually thought my first thought when it happened the second time was, is this how people disappear?
And I don't know why I thought that.
Probably because I'm always looking into the missing people.
Yeah, well, I mean, you've had a surface, haven't you?
You've had a glut of missing people.
That's the wrong word to use, but you've had a lot of people go missing.
And we're even talking very recently in that area.
That's correct, you know.
And the thing is, Howard, these people are going missing in what I would call now the affected area where the other things are happening.
We're sort of in a little, a bit of paranormal circumstances.
Well, it seems to be some kind of vortex because you've got the cat disappearances, which seem to be connected somehow, according to newspaper reports that you've analysed.
And we're talking recently, we're not talking, you know, 40, 50, 60, 70 years ago, that seem to be connected, I remember, with electrical disturbances.
That's correct.
Do you know what I missed it in the first book?
I actually missed the cat disappearances.
I was researching the missing people with as much respect as I could, but I realized we're talking about a delicate subject.
And when I was looking into the second book and sort of delving into it, I sort of revisited some of these missing cases in the archives at Bridlington and Scarborough.
And then I suddenly looked, one of the pages stood out.
It said missing, I don't know, 11 missing cats in Bridlington gone missing.
And then I went back a few papers, nine cats gone missing.
I'm going to counted them up.
I haven't got the exact numbers in here on me, but I think we've got some well over 30 cats went missing within the two to three week period when, just as it happened, one of these people went missing.
And then I looked at the other people, and it wasn't the case with everyone, but with quite a few of them, it was these spikes in missing cats were occurring at the same time that the people were going missing.
And we were getting, as you said, electrical power surges and blackouts Around the same time, particularly on Cliff Lane, not Cliff Lane, Bempton Lane, which is very close to Cliff Lane.
And, you know, and there's lots of UFO reports and deer mutilation around Cliff Lane and Bempton Lane.
Wasn't there in that area in one of your books a report of a very, very low-flying UFO that descended?
That was on, oh dear, I've just said it.
Short Lane.
Yeah.
Short Lane, which is probably two miles away from Cliff Lane.
And this is a young guy who'd got his first car and he liked to go into town, have a few beers with his friends.
Well, maybe not beers, which is driving, but enjoy his self with his friends and generally cruise around looking at the girls, I suppose, or doing whatever he wants to do.
And he said they drove back towards Bempton because that's where he lived.
I think there was four in the car.
And they drove back along Short Lane.
So they came out of Bridlington up Bempton Lane and took a right onto Short Lane.
And something very fast flipped across the road in front of them, literally like a wasp would go across the road.
And they sort of stopped the car and went, Christ, what was that?
What the hell was that?
He told me the story.
He let me record him as well.
And he said, and suddenly it went back.
He said, and this thing that's blue and gold and it's got like revolving panels, like sliding doors.
And it looked like it was turning very slowly.
Slowly came to over, not over the car, but in front of the car, right down to within a few inches of the road.
I'm doing this, people, with my hands.
Sorry if nobody can see me.
Within a few inches of the road, it said, and then so we got a great view of this thing and it was bigger than a car.
It said these panels are just slowly turning all the way around it from blue to gold.
And of course, the first thing that people would say about something like that is that this area has a certain amount of military activity, so it's a low-flying jet.
You know, they're not unknown in those sort of areas, but not this by the sounds of it.
Nothing like it, Howard, because they couldn't hear any noise, and next thing it had just gone.
It had just literally like a firework, it had gone.
And I don't mean it exploded, but when you see the rocket just and it was away.
And there's so many things, there's so many things seen out at sea, but we don't just have to stay within present time.
I mean, in 1966, fishermen all in crab pots off crab rocks all ducked in their little cobble, their little fishing boat called the Imperialist, which is still sat in Bridlington Harbour today.
And I've got the names of these guys.
Yeah, it is.
I'm still working.
And I got the names of these guys, and we said they all just ducked.
And then we looked up, and there's a globe of light as big as a football above our heads.
Which I think we talked about on the radio a little while back.
I always get confused about whether we've done it online or whether we've done it on the radio.
I'm very worried about that, Howard, yes.
But let's get back to the developments in the animal mutilations apparent, because this is something that has occupied a lot of your last year and a lot of this year.
You know, so where are we at at the moment with this?
What are people saying?
What are they doing?
I mean, I'll tell you one thing, right off the top of my head, you know, I feel for the farmers involved, for the agricultural community, but why don't they stake the areas out at night?
And then they can prove what's going on, can't they?
This is correct.
I mean, there's such a lot of conflicting opinion.
I bumped into one chap who was known to the farmers and friends of them all, and he told me what it was, and he says it's badgers.
And you can't tell him anything different, and he's absolutely convinced it's badgers.
But if they're badgers, how do the badgers get out to sea?
I would agree, Howard.
And are they using a scalpel to take their ears off and put these incisions?
I do believe that perhaps the foxes and the badgers are preying on the carcass afterwards if it's not found straight away.
But in no way do I think badgers are responsible for killing these unfortunate animals.
Because when you talk about foxes, badgers, whatever, the way that these things tend to work, isn't it, is that they will take a bite and of course the thing will try and get away.
There is a struggle and there will be signs of the struggle.
There will be blood, there will be torn flesh in an uneven way.
That's the way of nature.
Yeah, that's correct.
And you've seen some of the pictures, and there's no other signs of trauma on the sheep apart from having their faces skinned and these unusual scars on the body that look like they've been done with a, well, I wouldn't say a scalpel.
Something's done and a sharp implement's done it.
Where are we at now?
I don't know.
I'll be there tomorrow morning at 4.30.
And the thing is, we're doing a talk at the Outer Limits Conference on the 1st of September, and this will be included in the talk.
I've titled it, Howard, The Unknown Something, because where I'm at is something is killing these animals.
The evidence is there.
It's presenting itself, but it's so elusive.
We're just no closer to finding out what it is.
But now, look, it is odd.
It is concerning the farmers.
I would assume that the government's agriculture branch will be aware of this, I would have thought.
But, you know, who am I to know this for definitely?
But I have a feeling they probably would be.
So I'm kind of assuming it's not only you who's going to be looking into this.
There will be people paid to investigate what's going on.
There probably is.
I mean, I've not personally heard of anybody else looking into it.
And they're a very secretive lot around Benton and Flamborough.
I don't even think, apart from the farmer involved, that I'm particularly thought of fondly for looking into it, shall we say.
I know they don't really want to talk about what's happening much, but I don't see any way of avoiding it when livestock's being killed.
Well, last year it wasn't an alarming rate, and I think it's going to step up because it did step up towards the end of this month.
Because at first, we wondered if it could have been people, some deranged holidaymaker who's got a caravan who took pleasure in killing the animals.
You're saying that there was an uptick in these things towards the end of July, then?
Is that what you're saying?
Towards the end of July, up until December, the killing increased.
I think the last one to be killed before the sheep were removed was the 18th of December.
And then, as I say, I found out about it New Year's Day and the sheep came back in April, just 15 to start with, to gauge it.
And the 9th of May, I found the 11th of May?
I need to correct myself.
I found the rodeer carcass, and then it's slowly just rolled.
It's just starting to pick up again.
I'm not particularly excited when I find one of these animals because they've obviously suffered a traumatic death, but I'm sufficiently interested.
I'll follow it through as far as I can to see if I can find an answer.
And if it's an earthly answer, if it turned out to be badgers, Howard, you can bet your bottom dollar I'll be telling you that.
You know, I don't want it to be anything that it's not.
You've seen these creatures lying.
If something's died in a struggle, it will be contorted.
If something has died in an almost surgical way, almost as if preparing for an operation, then it will be lying there fairly peacefully.
And some of these photographs, I don't know whether it's just the way you've taken the pictures, make the creatures look as if they are at rest.
It does a bit, doesn't it?
And like you said, the other element is it, there's no bite marks on the legs to say they've been chased around a field.
There's nothing else apparent.
It's very difficult.
I did see disturbance about 20 feet away from one of them a few months ago in the grass because the grass has been quite lush.
And then the sheep appeared.
It looked like it had moved 20 foot, but there was no, I could see where I thought it had been killed, but it was actually 20 feet away.
Obviously, I'd need to show you the photographs to explain what I'm sort of saying there.
But on the 9th, that's where I got the 9th of May mixed up with the 11th.
On the 9th of May, I went up with Steve Ashbridge and we went to do a bit of a sky watch to try and film the lights.
And we ended up at the back of Danes Dyke.
And we did film some lights briefly, just early dusk.
And there were some lights seen on the cliff tops.
And at about 10 o'clock at night, all the sheep became very vocal.
And we made a note of it as well, you know, at the time.
And on the way home, about midnight, we sort of made our way along the cliff tops to the cars.
And then when I went on the morning of the 11th, the morning I found the deer carcass and I spoke to the farmer, he said, another sheep's been killed.
I said, all right, yeah.
I said, when did you find that?
And he said, Thursday morning.
So that would have taken it to the 10th.
Yet we were up there on the 9th.
I can't say A is responsible for B, you know, as in seeing the lights and they're responsible.
But how unusual that we did see these unusual lights and the carcass was found the following morning on the Thursday.
Animal mutilations, Paul, are happening around the world.
They're happening, they have happened for decades in the United States, for example, in places like Arizona.
Are you in contact with any of the people who investigate internationally now that you're known internationally?
No, and I would have been interested in talking to Linda Moulton Howe, I must admit.
And I did email her and tell her a little bit about what was going off.
But I got no reply, however.
Well, I'll mention this.
I'm speaking to Linda quite soon.
I'll mention this to Linda because this is exactly the kind of thing that she investigates.
Now, there is another facet to this, and I'm wondering if there's anything new in this, because it was one of the most chilling facets of, I think, our second conversation, maybe even parts of our first conversation.
The appearance in that area of strange military vehicles, not regular British military vehicles, but American-made military vehicles.
Yeah, that's correct.
And this was July the 25th.
I was contacted by a guy called David Hind, who lives in Bempton.
And he asked me if I'd be interested in having a look at some vehicles that were on the lane, the back lane between Bempton and Flambury.
It's about two and a half mile long lane.
And it sort of pricked my interest sufficiently that I put a camera in the car.
And I went and got a few pictures of these vehicles, but they were dotted all over.
It turns out that they were on Blake Howe Lane, which is where I've obtained images of a triangle in a pea crop.
And they were on that lane again at that time.
And these vehicles, they're Dodge Ram pickups, GMC Dodge Rams, and it looks like the license plates are German and they've got American stenciling on them.
Now, I sort of, I didn't know what the technology involved was, and various people have contacted me.
Someone said that it was microwave technology.
But luckily, I've now got in contact with two men who actually work with microwave technology for the MOD.
One of them's retired.
And obviously, I won't say the names, but they're quite adamant that it's not.
But they've pointed me in the direction, and quite alarmingly, they said, because they don't understand.
They've not said this is what it is, but they've just given me some pointers to look at electronic weapons and some sights.
But you know, we've got the huge dish on the top of these vehicles.
And they weren't just seen in Bempton, Howard, they were seen at Garton on the Wolds.
The day that I got the photographs, I was up at the cliff tops with Bob Brown, a friend of mine, and I got a phone call.
Bob heard the call, and it was a guy who lived in Garton on the Wolds.
And he wanted to tell me his daughter had seen a UFO on the way home traveling from Sledmere to Garton.
And he told me she'd seen this black tubular-shaped object with a glowing red line through the middle and a light appearing, which doesn't sound unlike the light forms.
And he sent me some photographs, and very much like what we'd been trying to film when we were on the walls.
But the interesting point of his conversation, the parting bit, was he said, there's something else strange as well.
I said, what's that?
He said, well, there's an American truck parked off-road with a big trailer and it's got this big container on it and a big satellite type dish on the top.
I thought, wow, how interesting, because we've got one at Bempton at the moment, and we actually got images.
I need to send you these images, Howard.
I'll be using them at the conference of Lights Under the Sea.
And we've got both Bob got images of them and I got them.
Off Bempton on the 25th of July, the phone call happened.
The Lights Under the Sea, the Dodge Rams, and, you know, all on that day.
But the Dodge Rams Rams hung around for quite a while and they were in the affected area.
I don't think they were responsible.
And I need to stress that it could have just been a military exercise.
Well, you know, there are things that are done to protect us in our name that we don't know about, of course, and neither should we know about them.
But it's interesting, isn't it, that you have this confluence of things happening.
And then you have some kind of military interest of a kind that is not regular.
I mean, these people are not regular British soldiers as far as we can see.
You know, it's just difficult to know, isn't it?
And very hard to know who to ask questions of about what is this.
That's correct.
And to back up the story of the Dodge Rams, I know I've sent you a photograph of them.
There's a British magazine out that's out in sort of most major news outlets once a month called Air Forces Monthly.
And someone tipped me off that there was a picture of one in there and the November edition.
So I went and bought it.
And Air Forces Monthly, a reader had sent a picture in asking what these things were because he'd seen them up around Staxton.
And I think it might have been the editorial staff or the people involved in the magazine thought that they were Sam emulators, but they didn't know.
Surface-to-air missile emulators.
So, I mean, they could be right.
But what is interesting, and you'll not mind me saying his name, because there's very few houses on the top of Staxton Wold.
And a guy called Stephen Hay sent me an email with some pictures of a triangular formation in the crop opposite his home.
And he said when he opened his bedroom curtains, there it was.
And that was the same month that these military vehicles were being seen.
The same month we'd got pictures of lights beneath the sea off Bempton and these vehicles were around.
Like I say, could be just if you if we want to believe it's a military exercise and it's just a massive coincidence, then I'm happy for anybody to go that way.
I'm not in a position to argue.
But it's just interesting to observe these things.
I mean, the one thing you don't seem to have there, unless you're going to tell me you do, is, and there's been a certain amount of activity this summer in the UK, crop circles.
Do you get those?
We don't.
I did go to see one many years ago at Rudston, at Springdale Farm at Rudston, just a simple 60-foot circle that I don't think anybody else got to see.
And it were only because, well, my daughter was engaged to the farmer's son.
And that's the only reason I got to see.
That's the nature of these people.
They literally do not want people turning their land into a thoroughfare.
And I suppose you can't blame them.
I have an interesting story about a crop circle, Howard, if we have time.
We do.
Willsthorpe, Bridge Farm at Willsthorpe, the farmer there, well, I don't need to say his name, but there's only one Bridge Farm.
And he told me that I think in 2009, because it was when I was researching the Willsthorpe UFOs, he said a crop circle appeared in the bottom corner of his field.
He said he had a combine that had no air conditioning.
Now, please, if I've already told you this story, stop me.
I don't know if I have.
You haven't.
And we just have to say this Willsthorpe incident, it was in 2009, and it was a very concentrated UFO incident with a lot of reports and a lot of activity.
A lot of activity, and there's more.
There's more things being found.
And such as this unusual story.
He said this combine had no air conditioning.
So it was absolutely boiling inside it.
He suddenly got his spaniel dog sat in the...
Well, I've never been in a combine, so I don't know.
You haven't.
I mean, it's an amazing experience.
I actually had to drive a combine harvester.
I nearly wrecked the blade on it, which was worth £10,000 for a radio feature once.
You're sitting so high up the field, it's an amazing experience.
Sorry, I shouldn't interrupt, but it's fine.
If you ever get the chance, you want to do it.
Right.
So he said, we're in the combine.
He says, and I'm approaching the crop circle, just a perfect circle that's appeared.
He said, and soon as the head of the combine hit the circle, this is why I said the name of the farm, Howard, because somebody might know him and say, did you tell this guy the story?
And he'll say, yes, I did.
He said, as soon as the combine hit the circle, he said, that dog sat bolt upright and began to howl all the way through the crop circle.
He said, and the air inside the combine became cold.
He said, and once I got away from it and up the field, everything changed.
The dog settled down.
He says it took three sweeps or however they term it with the combine to clear this area.
And every time the head of the combine hit the circle, the dog knew.
The dog sat up and howled.
Now, what?
There's some residue left there, Howard, of something, an unknown something.
And, you know, which tells you a genuine unexplained phenomena has taken place to me, because, I mean, the dog answers it for me.
It doesn't tell us what it is, but it does tell us that that animal perceived something.
Yes, we know that animals have perception beyond ours in some cases.
Yes, yes.
So that's just the story from British.
Well, that's at a time when some very strange stuff was happening, and we talked about the Willsthorpe incident on the radio a few months ago.
Okay, so you've got so many strands of inquiry that you are following, which must take up all of your time, Paul.
We are going to be, this will be heard towards the end of August.
So this conversation that we're recording now will be heard towards the back end of this month, probably any time from, well, 10 days from when we're recording it thereabouts.
What are you working on right now?
I'm working on, obviously, on the Cliff Lane story, but I'm actually researching an old story from 2011, and I don't know if we touched on that when we've spoke before.
Once again, I don't know why I've ended up in this field of animal mutilations, but did I talk about the wallabies?
You did at a game reserve or nature park.
Yes, you know, obviously, it was at Serbie Park.
I haven't got the dates in front of me, but these poor animals were decapitated.
Six of them.
They made the newspaper, but then I'll subsequently found out that wallabies all over the UK got decapitated in the same year and in the month.
And then when we expanded it further, wallabies in Australia were got decapitated.
And interestingly, a fox was being blamed for it all.
However, the authorities or the newspapers, should we say, in Australia were slightly more sarcastic than our own because they were saying that the cuts, the incisions to remove these heads was done with such precision, it was like a samurai blade.
So they were looking for a fox That could use a samurai blade.
And has this stopped now?
Because we talked about this on the radio.
A lot of listeners to this now won't have heard that radio show.
So this will be the first time they've heard about this.
But this was an international phenomenon.
Has it stopped or is it still being reported?
It stopped, Howard, but I don't think anybody would ever have connected the dots.
I mean, certainly I rang a lot of animal parks in the UK and they confirmed that they'd lost wallabies in June, March, April, May, June, July of 2011.
But they weren't aware that Sueby had lost a wallabies or somewhere in the Cotswolds.
And they certainly wouldn't have been aware that it had happened in Australia.
And it were all in New South Wales.
It were all up that coast that they were losing them.
Yet, like 10,000 miles away.
And can you imagine if we've got the same killer?
I'm not saying we have, but you know, I mean, I spoke to a professor about it, who has been very helpful.
I'll not say his name, but he's very interested in this stuff.
And he seemed to obviously looking for an earthbound explanation.
And I suppose we all are ultimately.
And he seems to think that it was some kind of internet phenomena.
That was his way of explaining it.
I mean, I don't personally think it is.
What's some kind of gruesome craze?
Yeah, and I personally think it's so.
I think he's way off the mark with it.
And I mean, we've exchanged messages on really good terms.
And I'm going to quote him in the third book, you know, about the things he said because he's seen the photographs that, some of the lots of the photographs that you've seen.
But again, all we can do about that is speculate.
But there is so much research that you have to do.
And of course, not only do you have to do this, but you have to make sure that all the other stories that you've researched and the locations like Bempton Cliffs that you're so familiar with and you're always checking out, you've got to keep on top of all of that.
So I think you've got a life's work ahead of you, Paul.
It's fabulous.
And it's expanding, Howard.
You know, I mean, the Bigfoot stories and the Dogman stories, there's something I never thought I'd look into.
Years ago, I looked into the Flickston werewolf, which is probably...
And just recently, I've got one from Foxholes, which is five miles away at the beginning of this year.
A quite well-known man who took me ages to get his story, and I spoke to him on the phone only probably a week ago after a lot of trying.
And he was driving a Jaguar car home from Scarborough to Hull at about in between 9 and 9.30 at the beginning of this year.
and he became aware.
You'll probably not know where Foxhalls is, Howard, but it's in between Flickston and...
Oh, no, that was Flixborough.
Sorry, that was Flickle.
No, that's Flicksbury.
That's the disaster, wasn't it?
But I know what you're talking about, though.
This is North Yorkshire, and he just said, I just became aware of something in the driver's side door window.
He said, and I looked.
He says there were a bit of moonlight.
It had been raining, but it was relatively clear.
He said, and there's a huge dog pacing my car at 50 miles per hour.
I've got his words, Howard.
I mean, this guy's been very reluctant to speak and he's absolutely terrified.
I might have divulged his name or his position because he's got a very prominent position more than in this community, shall we say.
He said, this thing, I sent him a list of questions as well, some I'd not asked.
I said, in comparison to a mastiff dog up to a grizzly bear, how big a bear?
I said, bear, actually.
How big would this animal's head have been?
And his words were, it was as big as a grizzly bear's.
Oh, my.
He said it had the mane of a lion.
He says, and the face of a baboon.
And it had yellow eyes and it was looking at him.
That's the bit I can't get my head round.
It's running at 50 miles an hour looking at him in the car.
And if he's got a prominent position that he's very careful to protect, he's not going to make something up.
I wouldn't have thought.
Well, I'm not going to give anything away, as you know, but he told me who he was writing for.
He says, and can you imagine if I said I've seen a werewolf?
He said, I just couldn't believe what I was looking at.
But you see, then you jump from Foxholes to Grindale, which is then only nine miles away.
And there's a guy who lives in Grindale.
I've recorded him and I've got his story.
And he was out poaching years ago with a friend.
He said, and he looked round at his mate.
There was snow on the ground.
He said, out of the corner of his eye, this thing jumped over a huge edge and landed on all fours.
He said, certain things have baffled him.
He says, you know, when a horse jumps over the fences, they run forward.
He says, this thing just jumped and stuck like it were on glue.
He said, but it looked like a baboon and it had a lion's mane.
He says, and I thought his words were, I mean, it's proper country.
He says, I thought it were a young horse.
An oss?
Yeah.
He thought it was like a pony.
Yeah, he says, I thought that's what's an oss doing jumping over there.
And he said, I couldn't believe it.
He says, well, it looked at us.
He says, absolutely, it was absolutely evil.
He said, he believed it looked like a bodybuilder.
He says, if it had stood up, he says, it had no backside, huge legs, arms, and this mane like a lion and a face of a baboon.
Now, listeners, I'm only relating other people's stories.
But he wouldn't have known about the story that the man told you more recently.
Not at all.
And I've got another one from just before Christmas from a guy once again.
He will metalit in a place where he shouldn't have been at Towthorpe, which is just a few miles away from Foxholes.
And he has a Caucasian shepherd dog.
Well, I didn't know what a Caucasian shepherd dog was.
I did a bit of research because he says it's fearless.
And apparently they use them as the ultimate guard dog.
That's what they're known as, these huge oversized Alsatian things.
And he had the dog with him and he's in the dark.
And there's growling and howling in the trees alongside of this field.
But he found some hammered silver coins.
I don't even know what they are, but that's what he told me.
And he left.
He went back the next day, same noise.
He says, so I just let the dog in because she's frightened of nothing.
There was a disturbance and something got hold of his dog and the dog came running out, whimpering and screaming.
He says, we got in the truck and Left.
Now, I can't say that's the same thing the guy at Foxholes encountered, but the locations are very close.
And the way he's described this dog, it's going to come top side of any predator that we've got here in the UK, such as a badger or a fox, you would think.
So, I don't know what he encountered in that wood at the side of the field at Towthorpe.
You know what all this means.
We've got to talk again.
I think so.
Paul, listen, thank you very much.
If people want to read about you, if there are people who haven't discovered your work before now, they sure as hell need to.
So, where do they go?
Well, there is a website, it's truthproof.webs.com, and there's a blog on there, people.
But I'm more into the research.
You will find where to order the books, but you can purchase them off Amazon.
Just type in truth proof into Google.
Can I just say that we're also talking at the Outer Limits conference that Chris Evers is running on the 31st of September, and I'll be going to pick Colonel Holt up.
I don't know whether you've interviewed Colonel Holt, but he's going to stay with me for a few days.
Give him my regards, and if he'd like to speak with me at some point while he's here, that would be marvellous.
I will put that to him, Howard, and I'm going to show him Bempton and a few places, so I hope we don't disappear.
I hope so, too.
Please take care.
Paul, thank you.
You're welcome.
The remarkable Paul Sinclair, a man who does a lot of very hard work, and it shows.
You can find a link to him and his work on my website, theunexplained.tv.
More great guests in the pipeline here as we edge our way through this year.
So until next, we meet here on The Unexplained.
My name is Howard Hughes.
I am in London.
This has been The Unexplained.
And please stay safe, stay calm.
And whatever you do, please keep in touch.
Thank you very much.
Take care.
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