What They Want You To Think
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All I do is smash heads, bro.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That's what they want.
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You'd have been.
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It is what they want you to think.
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That's what they want you to think.
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Come and check out.
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My club, it's a friendly place where we can get together.
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What's up, man?
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Do all kinds of cool shit, like fucking do drugs and whatever.
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It's called the Hellfire Club.
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How cool is that name?
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Maybe the coolest name of a club ever.
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Welcome back to Freezen Point.
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I'm Dan Freezen.
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Marty DeRosa in the studio with me to talk some conspiracies.
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I'd like to give you my standard welcome.
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Dan is good.
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Your butthole will be flaming, and you will not be able to sit down.
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I tell you what, Dan.
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Welcome to the show.
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I'm so excited.
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I don't want to sit down.
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If you, sometimes I'll do, every once in a while, whatever, sometimes, every once in a great moon, I'll do morning radio.
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And sometimes these places, they stand up.
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Oh, yeah.
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When I did Man Cow, I had to stand.
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The cow is now.
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It's me, Man Cow.
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Dan.
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Hey, how's it going, Man Cow?
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It's Man Cow.
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How are you doing?
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I love the conspiracy theories.
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I hear that you're friends with the guys at the Moody Blues.
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Moody Blues.
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Now, Turd.
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Fuck that.
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I'm not sure I know any Moody Blues.
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Dan, I don't care about Moody Blues.
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I am so excited for this topic.
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Yes, absolutely.
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A little peek behind the curtain.
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We're recording this on a day when you are super busy.
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Dan.
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And so we don't have time to fuck around and talk about Mankow loving the Moody Blues.
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This podcast is all about looking behind the curtain.
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Generally, we sit around and talk for a good 20 minutes before we get to our topic.
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But today, I don't have time to bleed and I don't have time to dick around.
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We just don't have the time.
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We gotta get straight to it.
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It's time for That's What They Want You to Think.
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I don't know if we did this last week.
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We didn't do this last week.
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We didn't.
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Shit.
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We're so busy.
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It's not working this week.
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Just do you, just hum it and I'll, and I'll sing it.
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Do, Until you have a flame coming out of your butthole.
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Take that, Spotify.
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What if Spotify wrote you?
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I'm like, hey, Dan, that was kind of harsh.
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That was kind of rude.
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Why did you tell us to have flames in our butthole?
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Marty, today we are talking about something that I have wanted to look into for a while now.
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This is a topic that has always caught my head.
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It's something that Alex Jones complains about sometimes.
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A lot of conspiracy people talk about these guys.
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Okay.
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We're talking about the Hellfire Club.
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This is one of those where I'm familiar, but I'm not familiar.
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Uh, what do you know about the Hellfire Club?
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What have you heard?
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Have you heard anything?
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Uh, a place I'd like to hang out at.
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Uh, it sounds like a cool group of people.
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I think this gets thrown in with like the Anton Leves and the Satanists a little bit.
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With the Church of Thelema and our old friend Alastair Crowley.
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Yes, Mr. Crowley.
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There are some interesting overlaps.
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Okay.
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Uh, first of all, the, the slogan of the Hellfire Club was, uh, Fais ce que voudrez.
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Which, uh, or, uh, I might be mispronounced.
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There's no, there's no, okay, so like in French, you know, you need a subject and a predicate.
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There's no subject in there.
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Okay.
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It's just do what thou wilt in French.
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Do what thou wilt.
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Ce que, ce que, ce que voudrez.
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Something any Satanist can get into.
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Do what thou wilt.
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Do what thou wilt.
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That was their slogan, which also later became, uh, Aleister Crowley's slogan, which he, uh, popularized with his, uh, crazy weirdo-ness.
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He's a, I like him.
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I do too.
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I wish- I have a soft spot in my heart for Aleister Crowley.
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I, I wonder about him a lot because I don't- Who do you like better, Anton LaVey or Aleister Crowley?
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Probably Crowley.
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I think I'm an Anton LaVey guy.
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You're an Anton LaVey guy?
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I think so.
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Where's the breakdown?
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What's, uh- You think he's just more fun on talk shows and stuff?
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I don't know if Aleister Crowley was really on many talk shows.
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I don't think so.
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He was too busy having women fuck dogs and stuff like that.
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I think Anton LaVey, as the face of the Church of Satan, or Satanism, whatever, I almost said Satanology, which was a great name too.
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Sure, that would have been awesome.
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Um, I miss that there isn't that now.
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There, there isn't a good Satanist?
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That we don't have an evil, I mean, I know his sons.
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Last week we were talking about how we need a sane conspiracy theorist.
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Maybe we start Satanism.
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I need, we be cool Satanists.
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I need a cool Satanist who, which I think Anton LaVey did, when you listen to like, look, here's what we're really all about, you're like, I'm kind of on board with this guy.
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We are into Doing whatever we want to do while respecting other people's boundaries.
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What can be wrong with that?
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We have very firm rules about not hurting children.
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Yeah.
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Because they don't have the free will that we have.
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They don't.
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It's like, that all makes total sense.
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We put them in the playpen.
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Yeah.
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While we extinguish the fire in each other's buttholes.
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Yeah.
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If you want to do really fucked up stuff that maybe culture thinks is out of line, maybe they think it's distasteful, but it's not.
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It's all consensual.
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Why not?
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Sign me up.
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Yeah.
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So I think a guy who comes on a show.
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Yeah.
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You're talking about like Anton LaVey today shows up on Fallon.
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Yeah.
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And he's got like a black suit and a red, black suit, black shirt, red tie.
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It'd be really hard to take that guy seriously on Fallon.
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Some cool rings, some cool rings.
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Or, okay, maybe that's the old church.
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Maybe that's the old Church of Satan.
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Dude, knuckle tattoo, Satanism.
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Here's just a new.
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Satanism fits across the knuckles.
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Yes, Nick would be very happy in that.
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Shout out to Jam Sandwich.
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New episode today, by the way.
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Check out manontop69.com.
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But I think that, you know, you get a good looking guy or a beautiful woman.
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It would be great if you had a beautiful woman.
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They're on, or trans.
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A trans woman.
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You get, you get like, a gorgeous trans woman.
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You get like a Bailey J type.
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Dude.
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A little bit of a gothier twist.
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She's already posting tons of pictures of herself, like with Baphomet in the background and stuff.
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We're almost, we're halfway there with Bailey.
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She comes on a show and she's just like, Jimmy, I do what I want to do.
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Whatever feels good, I do it.
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If, and she looks in the camera, if I don't hurt anybody.
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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She's already there.
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All she needs to do is start.
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Maybe she already has.
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I'm not enough of a person.
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How do you argue with that?
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I'm not an overly expert.
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Maybe she is our Satanist role model.
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How do you argue?
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I want a Satanist role model that kids can get into.
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Sure.
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Marilyn Manson, you were almost there.
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Yeah, but you were a little bit too much of a weirdo.
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You were too weird.
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I needed a Marilyn Manson who looked like, you know.
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You know what the problem with Marilyn Manson was?
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What?
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He dodged all the rumors about taking out his ribs so he could suck his own dick.
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If he had just leaned into that, he could have been totally cool.
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No pun intended.
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He would have leaned, he would have bent over to that.
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Yeah, he would have just been like, yeah, of course I did that shit.
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I just.
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I feel like that, and that shows where we've grown as a society.
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Yeah.
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In that 20 years when Manson was like the guy.
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Uh, now he could have been like on a show and I think he literally could have been like, yeah, of course I did.
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Bitch, I suck my own dick all day.
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It's fun as shit.
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Also, if you're Marilyn Manson, I don't know, you don't need to do that yourself.
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You're Marilyn Manson, right?
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You might have had some dark nights.
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You know, here's the thing.
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I think I'm this way and I think that if I were famous, I would be the same way.
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If there's sometimes I don't want to hook up with somebody.
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I would rather be alone.
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I would rather have some self sexual gratification.
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Okay.
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You know, being with somebody requires, sure, it requires another active participant, it requires someone, there's, there's, uh, there's fallout sometimes.
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I understand that, I understand that, and I, and I agree with you.
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Things can go wrong.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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I, uh, there are, there have been numerous nights where I could have taken a lover, and I said, I'm okay.
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It's not worth it sometimes, but that's another thing that I'm learning as I grow more and more into my own sane head.
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If I could give you a membership card, to join a club, where, you know, Anything goes.
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Anything goes.
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No one gets hurt.
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Who wouldn't be in?
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It would be like these.
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I don't know how to crack these societies.
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You know, it would be like, uh, Steamworks, the, uh, gay bathhouse here.
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Sure.
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With women.
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Like with women around.
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Give me a break.
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You could go to Steamworks, but there's just a ton of ladies around with the dudes.
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Like-minded people.
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Uh-huh.
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Maybe first I'm just watching.
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I'm just checking things out.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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So the Hellfire Club may or may not have been sort of like that.
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I'm in.
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You know?
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Uh, it was founded by a guy named Sir Francis Dashwood, which again is a fucking awesome name.
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Fancy name for a fancy man.
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The records, uh, indicate that it was founded about 1749, but because it was a secret organization, it definitely could have existed before that.
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Uh, and it met irregularly around England in various places.
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Like, there were some caves they had that they would meet in.
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Guys.
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There were some mansions.
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I love it.
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You know what I was thinking about?
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I was on Instagram, and I saw that some, uh, Instagram model posted a picture in front of, like, some, uh, like, uh, limestone stuff.
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Like a spiral staircase.
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I'm like, in my life, I'm probably never going to see a limestone staircase ever again.
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My life is probably like, it's never going to get there.
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That's a bummer.
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I thought about it.
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I go, I'll never spend the night in the White House.
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I thought about that the other day.
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You might.
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Yeah, you never know.
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Female president, not Hillary, let's say.
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Yeah.
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Let's say we get a female president down the line.
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Michelle Obama.
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Who could get it?
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You know what I'm saying?
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She starts having affairs on the president.
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And I'm starting to hear they're throwing around the name the first gentleman for Bill.
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Not the first woman, not the first man, the first gentleman.
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Well, that would be kind of like the, I mean, she's called the first lady.
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That's not like the first woman.
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So, I mean, that's right.
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Yeah, I mean, first gentleman would be, that would make sense.
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Ladies and gentlemen?
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Ladies and gentlemen.
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Yeah, that's, if they did anything else, it would be weird.
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Yeah, the first gentleman.
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I don't know why I thought, what are they going to call him?
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So, the Hellfire Club met until about 1960, not 1960, 1760.
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1960, baby, to Austin Park.
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Okay.
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So, allegedly, they had a run of about 11 years, but probably longer based on the secretive nature of it.
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Before that, there were previous groups called Hellfire Clubs, but none of them reached the level of notoriety that Dashwood's did.
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Also, Dashwood had started previous groups throughout the 1730s, 40s, and a little bit into the 50s.
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He started a group called the Egyptian Society, the Society of the Dilettanti, which is based on the term Dilettante, which means a person who cultivates an area of interest such as the arts without real commitment or knowledge.
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I love it.
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It's a strange name for your group.
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Which is me with this podcast.
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I'm not doing research, but I'm into it.
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He also had a group called the Devan Club.
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All of these were interesting social organizations, especially like the Egyptian society, but none of them really had staying power or any kind of impact.
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And you've got to have staying power when you're doing a sex society.
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We don't know if it's a sex society, though.
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You're making a lot of assumptions about it.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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There was a guy named Horace Wapple, who was an art critic and politician of the time.
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His quote You know, that dude got down.
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Art critic and politician?
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He probably did, but he was not a member of these groups.
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Oh.
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But his.
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Is, uh, assessment of the dilettante, the Society of the Diletante, uh, he, he was quoted as saying, a qualification, uh, or a club for which the nominal qualification is having been to Italy and the real one being drunk.
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I've been both.
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Yeah.
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I'm in.
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The two chiefs are.
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The two chief members are Lord Middlesex and Sir Francis Dashwood, who were seldom sober the whole time they were in Italy.
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That's the assessment of that.
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That was me also.
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I just graduated high school and I went there and I just partied.
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I drank my face off.
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I went to a nude beach.
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Yeah.
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You get all naked on that beach?
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I didn't.
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It was a topless beach.
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Oh, you couldn't sling dick on that beach?
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Nah.
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They weren't ready.
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I don't feel like it's fair to call that nude beach.
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Topless.
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It's not nude, though.
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Topless.
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Uh, so the, uh, you know, that's the sort of vibe of the groups that, uh, that Dashwood is involved with.
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So all of these groups are basically built on debauchery, they're drunk dudes.
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Uh, but also the idea of being in Italy is important.
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The Egyptian society is based on, uh, having traveled to the Ottoman Empire.
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Uh, all of these dudes who were involved went on this thing called the Grand Tour.
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I don't know if you've ever heard of this.
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Would you like the Grand Tour?
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Yes.
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The real Grand Tour?
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It's a thing where it was a tradition of the day where after dudes who were really rich, they came from rich families, they would go.
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You know how, like, these assholes now, like, last week we could talk about the 10 signs you're a basic bitch.
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Yeah.
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If there was a dude version of that, one of them would be you don't stop about how you backpacked through Europe.
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Okay.
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That's this, but for rich people in the 1700s.
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The Grand Tour would go from England down through what would now be Germany, but Germany didn't exist, a little bit into France.
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You'd spend a bit of time in Paris, and then you'd go straight south down through all of the stuff, go through the Alps and Switzerland, and then go down into Italy.
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And it would end in Italy.
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But some people who were weirdos, like Dashwood, like some of the other characters we're going to meet in a bit, didn't think that tour was enough.
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So they would keep going, and they'd end up going to Greece, they'd end up going to Egypt, they'd end up getting some awareness of the Ottoman Empire, and they'd be introduced into Eastern Europe.
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Sort of things.
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Okay.
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Eastern ideals, and they'd go to like Malta, and so they'd come back with this much like how when people come back from Burning Man, they're like, oh, I got this new thing.
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Yeah.
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They'd go to the Ottoman Empire and they'd be like, oh, there's an awareness that I have that the rest of the world doesn't have.
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We got to start a secret group.
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And so that's, I think that's the genesis of some of these groups.
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I like it.
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The Egyptian Society, the Dilettante, and then eventually the Hellfire Club.
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In the Dilettante Club, Francis Dashwood.
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He ends up meeting a guy named John Montague, who is the fourth Earl of Sandwich.
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And the two of them become friends, and then eventually they're major players in the Hellfire Club.
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John Montague, along with John Wilkes and Francis Dashwood, were the sort of main ringleaders that we're aware of from the Hellfire Club.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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So, around 1949 or 17, I keep saying 19s, Around then, around 1749, the Hellfire Club gets going.
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And one of the things that's really important about them, and the reason that they stand out, and 300 years ish later, people are still talking about them, is that they weren't a secret society.
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But what they did is they really, really publicized how secretive they were.
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Their brand was secrets.
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Okay.
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And so they would talk a lot about how they couldn't talk about what they were doing.
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Okay.
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And so the word would spread of like, they're doing some stuff there.
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We don't know what they're doing.
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And there's this great quote.
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Why do you think they did that?
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Well, there's this great quote that I found that I actually think explains.
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Oh, perfect.
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Is an answer to your question.
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We finally get an answer on this podcast?
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I think so.
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That's insane.
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Secrecy is one of the greatest accomplishments of humanity.
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Secrecy secures, so to speak, the possibility of a second world alongside the obvious world, and the latter is most strenuously affected by the former.
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So, what that's saying is if you have a secret group, the mind reels at what it could be, and that creates this world of possibility that affects the world of reality.
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Okay.
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So, if you get what that's saying?
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Yeah, it's kind of saying that, like, look.
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We can create this other world.
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And the fact that we can create this other world makes the world that we do live in different.
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Well, if you and me created a secret group, let's say, the public would start to talk about what we were doing.
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And there's a power to having that secret group.
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Sure.
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But even if we weren't doing anything in this secret group, people wanting to know what our secret is, they would start making shit up.
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And we would gain power from their fake world that they're creating.
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And all of a sudden, our real world has the power of that fake world.
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Nightclubs, like lines.
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Uh huh.
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Yep.
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Because people see lines and they don't want to go in there.
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Nightclubs and comedy clubs.
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Yep.
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So, or, let's say, the illusion of scarcity.
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Absolutely.
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Let's say you're at a house party and there's the people who are all going in one room and keeping that door shut and kind of like, you're not allowed in that room.
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You know, there's cocaine in there.
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I want to get in that room.
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Or that's the secret world you're creating.
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I want to get in that room.
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Yeah.
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There's that idea of like, you know, or like, hey, VIP, you can't come in here or whatever.
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It's like, I want to go in there.
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Yeah.
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I like it.
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Well, it's interesting too because I think those examples you use are great and then they also illustrate very clearly that most of the time, whatever's behind that door is not as good as.
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This fake world you've created.
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Right, right, right.
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There's probably three people in there talking about how much they love wagon wheels.
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Well, I mean, or this idea of like, you think of like, oh, Swingers Club.
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Yeah.
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Get me in there.
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It's just old dudes with huge bushes sitting around in hot tubs.
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Yanking their dongs.
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Yeah, they've got water beds to fuck on.
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No way.
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Get out of here.
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Creeps.
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Yeah.
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I've watched enough HBO documentaries on theaters.
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Real sex ruined everything for me.
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It's old dudes with huge bushes.
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Mall Santas.
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Yeah.
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On vacation.
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We're back to this.
► 00:18:16
I'm not talking about John Bonet anymore.
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Okay.
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Case closed.
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Cha chunk.
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So that's sort of the groundwork that we're laying for this group.
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Now, it's interesting because a lot of the stuff they were up to, we don't know.
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No.
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It's lost to history.
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People don't know, but the legends that people would tell were crazy.
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Do you think that, also, that society at that time, a little repressed, would you say?
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Sure.
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England in the 1700s was not the most swinging time.
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Sure.
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Most swinging place.
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But I think a lot of people were on the low doing a lot of shit.
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Yeah.
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And if they were sort of building this brand of like.
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You know, like, I remember listening to, like, a podcast with, like, Sam Kinnison's old partner, whatever.
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The Outlaws, guys.
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Or whatever the dude is, uh, whatever his name is.
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And their whole thing was never deny anything.
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Never deny anything.
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If anyone said, I heard you guys fucking, you know, shot a horse and bitch, never, hey man, can't, what are you gonna do?
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Or, I don't know about that.
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I don't know if that's sort of, like, it's the best denial.
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Can't say we did, can't say we didn't.
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But this, this thing seems like this idea of, like, I don't know if they would have had the, the, the, the foresight to be like, years from now.
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They're going to be like, what did they do?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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At the moment in 1750 or whatever, there's no way they could be like, all right, in this country that doesn't exist yet, there'll be two dudes recording into equipment that doesn't exist yet.
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Yes.
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Talking about us on a podcast.
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Yeah.
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That's so crazy.
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Unless they had the ability of remote viewing and they could remote view the future.
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If so, and they're seeing us, hey, how's it going?
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Hey, Hellfire Club.
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So this is pretty cool.
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This is a great quote from Francis Dashwood.
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Just to give you an idea of what kind of guy he was.
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Yeah.
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He was a guy who was involved in politics and what have you, but he also, like, allegedly his wife was a bit of a prude.
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Oh, okay.
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And so two months before their wedding in 1745, Dashwood was writing to a friend bragging that he was, quote, employing 20 of the 24 hours wither upon his belly and from thence, like a public reservoir, administering to those of other people by laying his cock in every private family that has any place fit to receive it.
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That's just.
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Wow.
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20 out of the 24 hours of the day, he's fucking.
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20, 20, 24 hours ago.
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That's what that original line is about.
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You need to be sedated after this.
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You want to be sedated.
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Yeah.
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He's putting his cock in every private family that has any place fit to receive it.
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I'm up 20 hours a day burying my cock.
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That's amazing.
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And that's a sexual compulsive.
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Oh, you think so?
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Yeah.
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Oh, you think so, Dan?
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Yeah, that's a dude who's maybe doing something.
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I love a good quote.
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You know, I love a good, I love a good quote by these type of guys.
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Sure.
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Like, uh, Anton LaVey has a great quote about like, uh, everyone has a, has a, has a, a, a beast or a demon inside of them that needs to be.
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You know my tattoo.
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Exercise, not exercise.
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You know my Steppenwolf tattoo.
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You got it.
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Yeah.
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There's a, there's an animal in all of us that sometimes needs to just come out.
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But I think that a lot of people do it wrongly and I've probably done it wrongly in the past.
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That animal does not get exercise, uh, gym style exercise by drinking necessarily.
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No.
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That's just, that's making the beast drunk.
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Yeah.
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That's not good.
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No.
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The beast needs to be let out through ritual.
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Yes.
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That's how you exercise.
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I'm going to get a little bit weird in the next, uh, six months, I think.
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Dan, we talked about this and I like what I heard.
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Sometimes, sometimes we talk about stuff and I don't like what I hear out of you.
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Yeah.
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This I like.
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I've been, I've been working on this astral projection stuff.
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It's not, at this point, at press time, not going great.
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Um, you just looked at me really, like, excited.
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Well, I have a question to ask you.
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Okay.
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I'd love to ask, uh, how did your evening go the other night?
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Oh, we, We talked about this on a past episode of DeGrasse Holes.
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Okay.
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I'll give you a brief version, though, in case people didn't listen to that.
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I have this sleeping, lucid dreaming medication.
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Okay.
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It's an old- Let's leave it at that.
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I don't want anyone with Alzheimer's medication.
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I didn't want you to say that.
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Why not?
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Because I don't want somebody being like, hey, my grandma has Alzheimer's, let me go take her medication.
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Oh, no, don't do that.
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And that's not this pill.
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Okay.
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This pill is an antiquated pill.
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It probably isn't- nobody's taking it or anything.
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Okay.
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No one in Chicago had it at any pharmacy.
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I had to have it special ordered.
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Oh, Jesus Christ.
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Uh, nothing happened.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, nothing happened.
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No more vivid dreams or anything, even.
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I got very excited for you.
Would I Be A Saint
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Yeah.
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You were like, I'm just going to put the night aside.
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Yeah.
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Last Friday, I took it.
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I woke up in the middle of the night, took it.
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You were supposed to go to sleep, wake up in the middle of the night, take this pill, go back to sleep.
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Yeah.
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You were supposed to have these lucid dreams.
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Yeah, I was supposed to have super vivid dreams.
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It didn't really do anything.
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I actually even woke up at like 9 the next morning.
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It was pretty disappointing.
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I'm going to explore further because I've looked into it, and people say that you're supposed to take it with another substance.
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Another, the thing like inhibits the uptake of it or whatever.
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I'm not sure exactly all the details, but I'm further, further exploration is necessary.
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Okay.
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So I'm going to up the dose a little bit, see if that helps.
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That's another piece of advice I've gathered.
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So some of that is, is forthcoming.
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Okay.
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I might be exploring Satanism a little bit.
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Hey.
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I'm doing a lot of reading.
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Welcome to the team, baby.
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Doing a lot of reading on Gnosticism.
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I'm, uh, I'm getting, I'm getting in.
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I'm team Satanism.
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Sure.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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I just want like, I just want to get like a black envelope in the mail and just be like, hey, you're cordially invited.
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Yeah, that would be pretty cool.
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The Chicago Satanist Society.
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I would like a nice Satanist tattoo that wasn't like Baphomet, wasn't the upside down pentagram or whatever.
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I don't want those.
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I'd like some cool.
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Yeah.
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Like if the Hellfire Club had an emblem, I'd like that.
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That would be nice.
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Even though.
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HFC, baby.
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What we're going to get to.
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Yeah.
► 00:24:14
I don't think I want to be a part of this.
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Let's get into it.
► 00:24:15
Maybe I would.
► 00:24:16
I don't know.
► 00:24:16
Let's get into it.
► 00:24:20
So.
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I don't even know how to approach this.
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I don't know how to get into this.
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But what we do know about the Hellfire Club is Francis Dashwood was basically obsessed with trying to pass himself off as a member of clergy.
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Okay.
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He would dress up as a monk.
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Uh, when he was on his, like, world travels, he tried to pass himself off as, like, high-ranking Catholic monks and stuff like that.
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Uh, and he actually got kicked out of a lot of places because of it.
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Uh, so far you've just said the, uh, the, uh, plot of the beginning of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
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That's really all you've done so far.
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He, uh, he had himself, uh, he commissioned portraits of himself in parodies of Pope Innocent III.
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Uh, also a parody of Saint Francis of Assisi, except with this, uh, the parody, was deemed fairly blasphemous because it was Saint Francis adoring the cross.
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It's a very famous painting where Saint Francis of Assisi is looking at a cross.
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But in this version, the cross is gone and it's just a naked lady.
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Oh, I was going to say like a hot dog or something.
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That would be fun.
► 00:25:23
No, just a fucking naked prostrate lady.
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Or same thing.
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And he has a giant erection in his robe.
► 00:25:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
► 00:25:29
That would be great.
► 00:25:29
I went to Saint Francis of Assisi's burial ground.
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Is that right?
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Giant temple.
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Did you talk to any animals while you were there?
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You know what, Dan?
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Because that was his superpower, right?
► 00:25:39
He could talk to animals.
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Yeah, superpower.
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It might be the wrong way to phrase it, but.
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I think it is.
► 00:25:44
So, yeah, he was obsessed with that, and all the members of the club, not the Bullet Club, the Hellfire Club, had to.
► 00:25:52
Well, if I say the club now, it is a lot of.
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Gals and Anderson.
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It's Brandon.
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Yeah.
► 00:25:57
So, if you remember the Hellfire Club, they had to commission portraits of themselves like that in this style that was known as Kit Kat style.
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I love it.
► 00:26:04
A little cheeky.
► 00:26:05
Yeah, so everyone had.
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Old Jersey.
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Hmm.
► 00:26:12
It's hard to say, man.
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I'm becoming a different person, you know, I'm blossoming into this new Satanist person.
► 00:26:17
Right, but I'm saying, what would your picture be that you'd be a little blasphemous in?
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I guess I don't.
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And have a little fun.
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It would have to be a parody of some famous picture of a saint, so I don't really know about that.
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Oh, I'd have to be a saint, yeah.
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But I would have my cat on my shoulder, like a parrot.
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I'd have that.
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I'd probably have a cigarette in my mouth.
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And then me in front of a laptop looking at porno.
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I don't know.
► 00:26:40
What would it be?
► 00:26:42
Uh, maybe like a Last Supper, maybe a Last Supper type of thing, but I would have a.
► 00:26:47
Me and my podcast guests sitting at the Last Supper, maybe?
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I would do.
► 00:26:51
Oh, no.
► 00:26:52
Me at the Last Supper.
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Yeah.
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The other, the 12.
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Yeah.
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Are cast members of Degrassi.
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That would be good for you.
► 00:26:57
I was going to say for me, I would be Last Supper and all dead wrestlers at my table.
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Who's right next to you?
► 00:27:03
Dusty?
► 00:27:04
Uh, Macho Man.
► 00:27:05
Okay.
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Uh, on one side.
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And, um, Ultimate Warrior?
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Mmm, he's a.
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I mean, he's.
► 00:27:13
Okay, okay.
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Ravishing Rick Rude.
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Oh, I like Rick Rude.
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I had a macho on one side, Ravishing Rude.
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Yeah, Ravishing Rick Rude on the other side.
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I bet he still looks great.
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You bet he does.
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Uh, just like, yeah, it would be great.
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Um, so, I, I, uh, from, from here, I thought that the best way to tackle things, because of the secrecy that was involved, and the group, was to look at some of the people who were involved.
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Okay.
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Because that, that sort of, I felt like that was more of a way in, and we could sort of assess the type of folk.
► 00:27:47
Who were there?
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Yeah, I do like that.
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So, one of the most prominent members was that John Montague, the fourth Earl of Sandwich.
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Yes.
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He is famous for a number of reasons to this day.
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The sandwich is named after him.
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Hell yeah.
► 00:28:01
He invented the sandwich, which is the story of that.
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You're probably eating one right now.
► 00:28:05
Yeah.
► 00:28:07
He was a severe gambling addict.
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And so people would, he'd have his servants bring him meat on bread as a way so he wouldn't have to get up from the poker table or the gambling table.
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Not unlike Vince McMahon gets his steak wraps.
► 00:28:20
Sure.
► 00:28:20
I didn't know that stuff.
► 00:28:21
That's news?
► 00:28:22
While he's writing feverishly?
► 00:28:23
While he's putting together a business or whatever, he gets a steak and ketchup wrapped up in like a.
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That's gross.
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Like a tortilla.
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Well, he would have salted beef.
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On bread, which also sounds kind of gross.
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But the name stuck because all the other people gambling would be like, I'll have what Sandwich is having.
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I'll have the sandwich.
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Yeah.
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And so now he invented the sandwich.
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Also, he was a major supporter of Captain James Cook, who ended up discovering a lot of shit.
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He was an explorer and he was funded by John Montague.
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Nice.
► 00:28:57
And so the Sandwich Isles, which is Hawaii, was named after the Earl of Sandwich.
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I love it.
► 00:29:04
John Montague, a member of the Hellfire Club.
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So basically.
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If you look at that, the kind of players we're talking about are big players.
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Sandwich inventors.
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Yeah.
► 00:29:15
Hawaiian.
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Not just sandwich artists.
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No.
► 00:29:17
Sandwich inventors.
► 00:29:18
He also had like four other islands named after him.
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So you consider that kind of like influence that he's wielded.
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I don't have one island named after me, Dan.
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No.
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So his father died when he was four and left him a massive fortune.
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At that point, he lost contact with his mom pretty shortly thereafter and was just raised by his grandfather, who was the third Earl of Sandwich.
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Okay.
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And because his dad died before the grandfather had died, his dad was never in the line of secession of the Earl of Sandwich title.
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So it just went straight from him, and that's why he lost touch with his mom.
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His mom got remarried, and they're like, fuck you, you're not part of our line.
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Get out.
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But the boy still is because he was part of the father's blah, blah, blah.
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He went to Eton for his education, which is a big old school.
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It's a very richy, rich kind of school.
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Then he went on his grandmother.
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You know their fake motto.
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No.
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Always, always eatin' ass, baby.
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Oh.
► 00:30:13
Alright, fair enough.
► 00:30:15
AB, ABA.
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Always, nope, not A, not, nevermind, I'm sorry.
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Always, ABEA.
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Always be eatin' ass.
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Uh, so after his grand tour, or after college went on his grand tour, and he went all over the places, all the places we talked about, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, all over the Ottoman Empire.
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Eatin' ass everywhere.
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Uh, uh, uh, getting those Ottoman butts.
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So he joined the House of Lords when he got back in 1739.
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Which was a hip hop group.
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Yep.
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They did the first version of Jump Around.
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Yes, the House of Lords.
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He was a Whig.
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He was part of the Whig Party.
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And he was allegedly a great orator.
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He was a great speaker.
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That again is a white guy who dresses like he's black.
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A Whig?
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Stop.
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Would you stop?
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He had a great.
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Sounds like a great life.
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Yeah, this is only the beginning of it, too.
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It's just beginning.
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He had a great political career.
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He ended up in the military, he was in the Admiralty.
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I was always involved with telling people where the boats need to go, which is how he got involved with James Cook.
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He also was a spy.
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He got involved in some espionage stuff.
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He was directly involved in the resolution of the War of Austrian Secession because he found some secret documents and was able to bring them to light before the spies on the other side were able to.
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And that ended up leading to I don't know the whole story of the Austrian Secession War.
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It's okay, Dan.
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So he'd become Secretary of State in 1760.
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And then later, he was the postmaster general.
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So, he held a ton of very prestigious positions throughout his career.
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What a resume.
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Yep.
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He married a young lady named Dorothy Fain, who bore him a legitimate heir, and then pretty soon after went totally nuts.
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She went very insane.
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While she was going insane, John Montague started an affair with an opera singer named Martha Ray, who was 17 at the time, and he was not 17.
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He was a bit older.
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That's the song, She's Only 17, by Winger.
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It's based on that.
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Sexy and 17?
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She's only 17.
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She bore him five to nine children.
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The records are a little bit sketchy on it.
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I would probably err on the side of hire.
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Boring 529.
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What a way to make a sandwich.
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But none of them are his legitimate heir, and the child that he had with the lady who went crazy was the fifth Earl of Sandwich.
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He got the title.
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She ended up getting murdered right outside the Royal Opera House.
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They say that it was by someone who was a jealous lover.
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Don't know about that.
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It's a little sketchy.
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A little sketchy.
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She might have been double dealing on John Montague.
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She might have been having sex with other dudes, and he might have been the jealous type.
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Damn.
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You have nine of my kids?
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You have nine of my kids?
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You ain't going to be fucking other dudes outside the Opera House?
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You've had your last sandwich.
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So she ends up getting murdered.
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Leads us to another member of the group who actually ended up hating the Earl of Sandwich.
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Oh, no.
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I like this aspect because that to me is really cool.
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The Earl of Atkins.
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John Wilkes is this gentleman's name.
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Hold the booth.
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Yeah, he's a radical.
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He's a journalist and a politician in Britain.
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The more I read up on this guy, the more I thought I would love to hang out with this guy.
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Ooh, hit me.
► 00:33:44
He seems cool as shit.
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Hit me with it.
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So he's elected to Parliament in 1757.
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He fought intensely for the people's right to determine their representatives, not the elites.
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Nice.
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He believed in sort of a more direct democracy as opposed to.
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People choosing who's in charge of representing you.
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Power to the people.
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He's instrumental in forcing the government to allow printers to publish verbatim accounts of parliamentary debates.
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So he's pushing hard for a free press.
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Transparency.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Which is part of the fact that he's a journalist.
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And here we are, Dan, in 2016, where Donald Trump is not allowing reporters in his.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Got no lists.
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Anyway.
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He had a paper that he was instrumental in that was called the North Britain.
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Uh, and in one of the issues, he made fun of the first Earl Talbot.
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Ooh.
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He made fun of this dude.
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Shots fired.
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Yeah, and so Talbot challenged him to a duel.
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Right?
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So they both get out there and they're like, let's do it at night.
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Cause we don't want people to fucking be around.
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So they do it at night.
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They duel.
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They go eight paces, shoot at each other.
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They both miss.
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And so they're like, what the fuck are we doing?
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They go to a bar.
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Tomato, tomato.
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Let's call it a day.
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Yeah, they go get drunk at a bar together and work out their differences.
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Okay.
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Cause they're like, we shot at each other.
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We both missed.
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Fuck it.
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Who cares?
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So they go and split a bottle.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah.
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First of all, that's awesome.
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Yes.
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Second, a bunch of people are like, they, that's all made up.
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Like a bunch of contemporaries are like, that didn't do that.
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They were both just trying to increase their celebrity.
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Oh.
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So it's seen as a very early example of a PR stunt that was done to get both men more attention in public.
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It was a work, not a shoot.
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Exactly.
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They did shoot, but it was a work.
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It was a work shoot.
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It was a work shoot.
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Yeah.
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Oh, it was a work shoot.
► 00:35:34
That's fucking awesome.
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Protect the business.
► 00:35:37
That's super smart.
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I love it.
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That's super sneaky.
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I, I, I'm real into what he was doing.
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Also, he ended up getting kicked out of Parliament because he wrote a pornographic poem about one of the Earl of Sandwich's later mistresses called An Essay on Women.
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And it was filthy.
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It was a filthy, debaucherous poem.
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Milk, milk, lemonade.
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Worse.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Around the corner, gisms made.
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Oh, boy.
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The Earl of Sandwich, because he was so offended by it, because he knew what was going on, he read it on the floor of the House of Lords.
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An attempt to get Wilkes in trouble.
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And Wilkes felt, he could tell, he could tell the way the wind was blowing, you know?
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He was like, oh, this isn't good.
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I fucked up.
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He didn't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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Yeah.
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So he fled to Paris.
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He was just like, this isn't going to be good.
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I got to get out of here.
► 00:36:32
Hey guys, what's that over there?
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And then he takes off.
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He runs away to Paris and he's tried in absentia by the House of Lords.
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Okay.
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And he is deemed an outlaw.
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Hell yeah.
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He's found guilty and deemed the title of outlaw.
► 00:36:46
Hell yeah.
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That's in 1764.
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Rest in peace, Ron Bass.
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Outlaw Ron Bass recently passed away.
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Leather Pro Wrestler?
► 00:36:52
Yeah.
► 00:36:53
So he comes back to England eventually.
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He has to because there's a bunch of people who are sponsoring him in France and paying his bills because of, you know, he's a thinker.
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He's a really important radical.
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But eventually they're like, dude, we're running out of money for you.
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Hey, man, do you have somewhere you can stay next week?
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Can you pay rent?
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Yeah, I hate to be that guy.
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We got to throw you out of France.
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So he goes back to England, gets elected as a radical politician.
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In the, uh, parliament representing Middlesex, which, uh, again, Middlesex is instrumental.
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It's a very important part of the Hellfire Club.
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Uh, Lord Middlesex was a member.
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And so Middlesex as a principality or as an area is like, they're wild people over there, kind of, it seems.
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Okay.
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So he's elected, even though he's an outlaw into parliament.
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Uh, the government's like, no, you're a criminal.
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So they throw him out.
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They have another election.
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He gets reelected by Middlesex, gets thrown out again.
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And then the cycle just repeats a couple times.
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Love it.
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It's awesome.
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He's just a dude who's like, nah, I don't care.
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I don't care.
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The people want me.
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And then people are like, yeah, we want you.
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Sounds like he was the original people's champ.
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He was.
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He was.
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If you want to bring this to, uh, to wrestling, he was the rock.
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He was the people's champ.
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Uh, one of the other things that was super, uh, important to him is he was a big supporter of the American Revolution.
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Uh, even though he was British, he was, uh, he believed in the ideals.
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Uh, and then also John Wilkes Booth was a distant relative of his and was named after him.
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Whoa.
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Yeah.
► 00:38:26
So, beyond that, we have Dashwood, who loves to fuck, is most of you know, he's a politician who loves to fuck.
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Also, we had Ben Franklin, who was apparently a member.
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Hell yeah.
► 00:38:38
We don't need to go too deep into his history.
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We all know what Ben Franklin was up to.
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And then also, there's a guy named Paul Whitehead, who I don't know too much about, but apparently, him and Dashwood may have been lovers.
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We know this because Dashwood, when Paul Whitehead died, he built a mausoleum on his property for Paul Whitehead and took his heart.
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And put it in the mausoleum.
► 00:39:03
He just had his fucking heart.
► 00:39:05
Paul Whitehead's heart was just in this mausoleum.
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Play the.
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Fuck, come another butthole!
► 00:39:12
You'll get your heart taken away and put in your butthole!
► 00:39:15
An Australian tourist stole the heart.
► 00:39:17
Come on!
► 00:39:18
1829.
► 00:39:19
Hey, mate, watch this.
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I'm gonna do something funny.
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Crikey.
► 00:39:22
I'm gonna steal a hat.
► 00:39:24
So, these are the major players.
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And, so what are you thinking?
► 00:39:30
What are you thinking about these guys?
► 00:39:31
I'm thinking they need to blow up some steam.
► 00:39:33
They got a lot going on.
► 00:39:34
These are men of accomplishments.
► 00:39:36
They're men of need.
► 00:39:38
They're men of station.
► 00:39:39
They're guys who need to blow off a little steam.
► 00:39:42
Do you find it interesting that these two guys that I have talked about the most, we got the Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes, could not be further apart.
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They're totally different dudes.
► 00:39:53
Seems different.
► 00:39:54
They seem different, but they also seem like they're ahead of the time on some things.
► 00:40:00
Well, one guy, the Earl of Sandwich, was super into James Cook going around to being a colonialist force and taking over these islands and that sort of thing.
► 00:40:08
And then you got John Wilkes who's super into American independence, the American Revolution.
► 00:40:12
How did these two dudes end up in the same club?
► 00:40:15
Fucking.
► 00:40:16
That's it.
► 00:40:17
That's it.
► 00:40:18
That is it.
► 00:40:18
What do we all have in common?
► 00:40:20
I wish you hadn't sort of gotten into this so up at the top of the episode because I would have liked it to be a reveal that they were just fucking.
► 00:40:28
Everybody was fucking.
► 00:40:29
Sorry, bud.
► 00:40:30
They had tons of prostitutes.
► 00:40:31
That's it.
► 00:40:32
They'd just have tons of prostitutes over.
► 00:40:34
They'd gamble.
► 00:40:35
They'd drink a ton and they'd fuck like crazy.
► 00:40:38
20 hours a day?
► 00:40:39
20 out of the 24.
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Fucking.
► 00:40:42
Fucking.
► 00:40:43
And when he said that 20 out of 24, that was before the club existed as a.
► 00:40:48
Now.
► 00:40:49
Let me ask you, Jim, Dan.
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Sorry.
► 00:40:51
Hi, I'm Jim.
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I don't know what I was saying there.
► 00:40:54
Let me ask you this, though.
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That's my Hellfire Club name, Jim.
► 00:40:56
Jim?
► 00:40:56
Yes.
► 00:41:01
Why do powerful people.
► 00:41:05
I guess it's just a basic thing.
► 00:41:06
I mean, we love to talk about it.
► 00:41:09
I think I got a question to ask in response to your question, but go ahead.
► 00:41:12
Why is it when there are these powerful groups, it all goes down to fucking.
► 00:41:17
Here's what I would like to answer your question with a question.
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I was correct.
► 00:41:20
Would you not want that now?
► 00:41:22
I would love that now.
► 00:41:23
Yeah, that's why.
► 00:41:24
I would love that.
► 00:41:25
They're powerful, they can get away with it.
► 00:41:26
I know.
► 00:41:27
Everyone wants that.
► 00:41:28
Like they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
► 00:41:30
I would say absolute power makes it where you can have a fuck club.
► 00:41:33
Yeah, yeah.
► 00:41:34
Here's, here's the- Absolutely.
► 00:41:36
Here's also the fucked up part about you and I, is like, we're both considering it just a- It's a given that everybody wants a fuck club.
► 00:41:44
Let's put a Twitter poll up.
► 00:41:45
Would you join a secret fuck society?
► 00:41:48
I think we're gonna get some skewed results on that.
► 00:41:50
But I- I have to think that most people in their heart of hearts would love an orgy club.
► 00:41:57
Right.
► 00:41:57
Especially a fun, polite orgy club.
► 00:42:00
Even not just an orgy club, but a club where there's, we're in a main ballroom, if you will, and all you needed to do was limestone stairs.
► 00:42:09
Take a lover's hand and you can go to a room and not be bothered.
► 00:42:12
Sure, sure.
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Just, it's a libertine event.
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Just everybody is like, do what that wilt, man.
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That's what it comes down to.
► 00:42:19
Exercise those beasts.
► 00:42:20
I'm going to go to the gym and exercise my beast.
► 00:42:25
Growl.
► 00:42:27
Alex turned growly.
► 00:42:29
I think I would love a sex club, but I think it would be difficult at the beginning.
► 00:42:35
I think I would want more of a social club where sex was.
► 00:42:40
I honestly think maybe we should start one.
► 00:42:43
Let's not start with it being a fucking club.
► 00:42:45
Yes.
► 00:42:45
But we should start a secret group, a society, if you will.
► 00:42:48
We're talking about this on a public recording, though.
► 00:42:51
Oh, what did they do?
► 00:42:52
Yeah, it's true.
► 00:42:53
Okay, let's start a group.
► 00:42:55
All right.
► 00:42:55
I mean, we already have a private text message group.
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The horniest guys in town.
► 00:43:00
The horniest guys in town.
► 00:43:01
Which sort of does feed into the sex group.
► 00:43:03
I think we should, first of all, we'll have to consult, uh, Nick.
► 00:43:07
Sure.
► 00:43:07
I mean, he's a charter member.
► 00:43:08
He's a charter member.
► 00:43:10
I will, I will take the role of the Earl of Sandwich since I've done a sandwich bracket.
► 00:43:13
My whole thing.
► 00:43:14
The Earl of Sandwich brackets.
► 00:43:16
Yeah.
► 00:43:17
Fourth Earl of Sandwich bracket.
► 00:43:19
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the fourth Earl of the Sandwich bracket.
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Yeah.
► 00:43:23
Uh, well, so far we just gab all dudes.
► 00:43:25
Yeah.
► 00:43:26
Some ladies will come eventually, though.
► 00:43:28
Oh, they will.
► 00:43:29
But also, here's the thing it was all dudes, and then they just got a bunch of hookers.
► 00:43:33
First of all, Dan.
► 00:43:34
Sex workers.
► 00:43:35
Sure.
► 00:43:36
I apologize.
► 00:43:37
We could get prostitutes.
► 00:43:39
Sex workers?
► 00:43:40
We could get sex workers.
► 00:43:42
Come on, man.
► 00:43:42
Do you have, do you know any caves around here?
► 00:43:45
Mm, Cave in Rock, Illinois.
► 00:43:47
Yes.
► 00:43:48
That is a rich tradition of fun.
► 00:43:49
Gathering the juggalos.
► 00:43:51
Yeah, not anymore, though.
► 00:43:51
No.
► 00:43:52
So it was mostly a fucking club, but here is where things get interesting, Marty.
► 00:43:57
There's a twist.
► 00:43:59
I love a twist.
► 00:43:59
A lot of people believe that the Hellfire Club was what much more than that.
► 00:44:04
And actually, a lot of the debauchery and fucking was a smokescreen for some really, really behind the scenes political dealings.
► 00:44:13
Mm hmm.
► 00:44:13
You have.
► 00:44:15
John Wilkes, a radical and an advocate for the American Revolution.
► 00:44:19
Yes.
► 00:44:20
You have Benjamin Franklin, also in the group, who has a lot of accusations of being a spy around his life.
► 00:44:29
There's a lot of double agent type of.
► 00:44:32
He was a real Benedict Arnold McMahon.
► 00:44:36
So you have those two dudes in a secret fuck club.
► 00:44:38
Yeah.
► 00:44:39
It seems like.
► 00:44:40
It doesn't seem like a coincidence.
► 00:44:42
It seems like maybe they were up to some stuff.
► 00:44:44
Like, why is it all political people?
► 00:44:45
One of those where they're like, ooh, we're all going to go in here and have sex with these.
► 00:44:49
And they close the door and they just have the women just act like you're having sex.
► 00:44:53
And they're going, Oh, oh, oh, wow, that feels great.
► 00:44:55
And they're like, They're sitting at a table plotting.
► 00:44:57
Hey, what are we going to do about the.
► 00:44:59
Well, I mean, what better smokescreen for you doing things that are politically unsavory?
► 00:45:07
The best way to cover that up is to be like, Yeah, we're fucking.
► 00:45:10
But also, when you're done doing that, you kind of want to fuck.
► 00:45:15
Oh, sure.
► 00:45:16
So it all goes hand in hand.
► 00:45:18
I don't think it's a smokescreen as much as a.
► 00:45:20
The real reason we're here is to.
► 00:45:23
Set some agendas, get some work done.
► 00:45:26
But then when we're done, and it's like, all right, well, that's that.
► 00:45:29
So that's what we're going to do.
► 00:45:30
So it's like people pretending the appetizer is the main course.
► 00:45:34
Is that fair to say?
► 00:45:35
Sure.
► 00:45:36
Or vice versa.
► 00:45:36
Or vice versa, but still eating the main course and the appetizer and enjoying.
► 00:45:41
So it's dessert for dinner.
► 00:45:43
Basically, yeah.
► 00:45:44
Flipping up the rolls.
► 00:45:46
And they're like, oh, yeah, you think we come to the steakhouse for the steak, but we're really here for the red velvet cake after dessert or after dinner.
► 00:45:54
So, also, I agree.
► 00:45:56
I agree.
► 00:45:56
I think that's probably what was going on, but that set the mold for a lot of other groups that have existed throughout time.
► 00:46:03
We have the, of course, Bohemian Grove exists now.
► 00:46:06
Sure.
► 00:46:07
There's very powerful political figures who go to it, and clearly there's a lot of fucking going on there.
► 00:46:12
There's some dick and bimbos over there.
► 00:46:15
Sure.
► 00:46:16
As Colin Powell would like to say.
► 00:46:17
He's dick and bimbos in the home.
► 00:46:19
Dick and bimbos.
► 00:46:19
Bill is dick and bimbos at home.
► 00:46:20
Trust me, they're dick and bimbos.
► 00:46:22
But the quote is at home.
► 00:46:23
I would love.
► 00:46:25
Some emails from Colin Powell of like Bohemian Grove.
► 00:46:27
Like, you going to the Grove this summer?
► 00:46:30
Hey, you going to go to the Grove in July?
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In July or what?
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It would be great if they just thought it was that place in LA.
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Yeah, I know.
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They'd just confuse it.
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But yeah, I think that those emails would get redacted pretty hard.
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Maybe.
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Excuse me.
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Bless you.
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It was like a cough.
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Oh.
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But definitely.
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I definitely feel like, yeah, when there's.
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I mean, if the smokescreen is sex and there's sex workers and all that stuff and people are fucking.
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And you're the big head honcho.
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When you're done, you're not going to be like, eh, send a couple of those babes in here.
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Sure.
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You know what's cool, though, is the more I start to learn about history and the more I look into some weird sources, the more I sort of realize that this is how it always works.
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It's always kind of worked like this.
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Because it breaks down to our basic needs.
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You're a big fan of Maslow.
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Maslow's.
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I hate Maslow.
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Oh, you hate him, that's right.
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Someone else.
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He's an asshole.
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Who was telling me about?
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Don?
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Don?
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Our old therapist, Don.
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No, stop.
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He would talk about Maslow's all the time.
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Somebody was talking about Maslow's.
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I went to Walgreens the other day with somebody.
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Anyway.
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I'm more into Maslow's hierarchy of weeds up top.
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Kush.
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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That's a great shirt that you can sell at a vape shop.
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Dude, I could, I'm sure someone's sent that to like Google.
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Okay.
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Google that.
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And as you do that, I'll talk.
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Okay.
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I think that, yeah, sex and power are just, they go hand in hand.
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Yes.
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And I don't think anybody who's been in real power, especially when you're talking secret societies, that there's no sex involved.
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Because what's going to happen is you have all these guys and they're setting the agenda and they're like, all right, so that's what we'll be.
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And then one guy's like, can I add one more thing?
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Maybe we can bring some sex workers in here and just go ham on them.
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Yeah.
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So there is no shirt necessarily.
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Yeah.
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I don't think.
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I'm not seeing a shirt.
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But I am seeing a nice graphic of Maslow's hierarchy of weeds.
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Up top, we got Dank.
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Dank.
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Top of the food chain, baby.
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Kind.
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Yes.
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Be kind to each other.
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Sticky icky.
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The stickiest of ickiest.
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Schwag.
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Don't worry.
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And then at the bottom, Ditch.
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Ditch.
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We've got another one.
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Yeah.
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Crabgrass.
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Crabgrass.
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Ground ivy.
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Dude.
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Dandelions.
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This sounds like wild rhubarb.
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Real weeds.
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I'm like, I've never smoked some of those.
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Canada thistle.
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Wow.
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Right at the bottom.
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Yeah, I think you nailed it right on top.
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Do you think there's a weed in Canada called Degrassi Junior High?
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Undoubtedly.
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And it just gets you a little bit higher, and then just regular Degrassi High gets you the most?
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If you get Degrassi Junior High, it's a weed.
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It's a high.
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It's an edible for kids.
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You're really scared all the time.
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Degrassi Junior High is an edible for kids.
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You feel like a bunch of terrible things have just happened to you.
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I made a dumb.
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Never mind.
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I'm sorry.
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Never mind.
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Yeah.
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So I think we nailed it.
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I think we got to the bottom of the Hellfire Club.
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I think the name is super cool.
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Francis Dashwood's name is super cool.
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I love the Hellfire Club.
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That's so fucking awesome marketing.
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The guy who invented the sandwich was involved.
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The guy who.
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John Wilkes Booth's relative is involved.
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It's pretty crazy the pedigree of the people who are in there.
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And that's only the people we know.
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There's people who are there who are secrets.
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Would you rather be.
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Let's see.
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I mean, obviously, Skull and Bones is a hot secret society.
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Then there's fucking in that, too.
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Come on.
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Yeah, but unfortunately, you're doing it in front of your dad or your grandpa.
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In the butthole.
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Fire in your butthole.
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Yeah, I definitely would like to be.
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And if anyone out there has ever been in a secret society.
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It started with a question and then it became just a statement.
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Well, I was going to ask.
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Which one would I want to be in?
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Which one?
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Huh.
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I would probably want to be in some.
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I mean, we're going real Satan heavy here, but I think I'd want to be in a Satanist one.
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I was going to say, I bet there's like one in like San.
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Francisco, that would just knock our socks off.
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I would rather be in one that has a lot of rituals and is very spiritual and has some tradition in Thalema or something like that.
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Yeah.
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I would like to be in an offshoot of Aleister Crowley's shit.
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I think we want to be in like San Francisco, one of those houses.
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Yeah, like a black house.
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You think that's where?
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I think there's got to be stuff in Chicago.
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There might be.
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And if you guys know anything about any of these secret societies, hit us up.
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I would love to know if there was something real because there's a lot of whack shit out there.
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I know.
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And there's a lot of pretenders.
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To the throne.
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I'm not going to waste my time with some whack bullshit.
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I want, I want, uh, even if it's just like, hey, you guys seem cool, come hang out, we'll show you what's what.
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Yeah.
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This is what we do.
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I can keep my mouth shut as long as I'm not drunk.
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I can, I know, I'll tell everyone when I'm drunk.
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Yeah, but that's, that's why I promise.
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If I get in one of these groups, I won't drink.
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Yeah.
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I won't drink.
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It'll all just be weirdness.
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I just want to see what's out there.
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Yeah.
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And I want to partake.
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Sure.
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I like that this is, this end of this has become us pleading our case.
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For the potential secret society members out there listening.
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Guys, we're cool.
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I'm trying to think how bummed I'd be if you're like, I got an email.
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I'm like, oh, that would suck.
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Are we going?
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And they're like, they're not interested in you.
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I couldn't even tell you, probably, if I got that email.
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But that would really become a weight on our friendship, I think.
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But imagine if we both got invited.
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That would be so fun.
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And what if it was like, hey, let me put this out there to the secret societies.
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It's both of us or nothing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Don't really want Marty.
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If you don't want Marty, you don't want me.
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And if you don't want Dan, you don't want me.
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I appreciate that.
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Here's the deal.
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Here's what I'm going to say.
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Here's what I'm going to say.
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Yeah.
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I just like, maybe it's like that blind melon video where the little B girl goes to that.
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She finds a bunch of bees.
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We're just there with a lot of like minded people.
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Sure.
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We're all goofing on Alex Jones a little bit.
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See, but you know what?
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Maybe we have to be the change we want to see in the world.
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Maybe.
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We might have to start this group.
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Maybe we do.
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It's in the cards.
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This might happen.
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We need an all black room.
► 00:52:25
Dude.
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I feel like it's got to be all black.
► 00:52:26
What if we just start a show that's secretly a secret society?
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Well, I mean, we've talked about this in the past.
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We've talked about this the secret society of comedy.
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Yeah, this isn't going to work.
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Yeah.
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Well, anyway, I'd like to put a button on the Hellfire Club.
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I think it's a little thinner than we thought it was.
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Maybe in terms of a conspiracy, it's not the biggest one.
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No.
► 00:52:46
It's impossible to know what they were actively involved in.
► 00:52:49
They clearly were involved in a bunch of political stuff.
► 00:52:52
They made some changes.
► 00:52:54
Who knows if it was a united front, though?
► 00:52:56
Maybe.
► 00:52:56
Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes at odds with each other.
► 00:53:00
Political elites getting together and setting an agenda and fucking seems to be a very popular thing over the history of time.
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It's the status quo.
► 00:53:08
I think it's something we'll get into again in the future, probably.
► 00:53:11
There's a lot of topics that come back to it.
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If we ever talk Bohemian Grove specifically, if we ever talk the church, the church, the church, uh, you know, it's hard to, oh, one more thing.
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Yeah.
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I forgot one thing.
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What?
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Uh, John Wilkes, there was a great story about him that I fucking love.
► 00:53:26
Please.
► 00:53:26
Again, more reason that I think he's the coolest.
► 00:53:30
Please.
► 00:53:30
So him and John, uh, him and Montague, uh, got into a bit of a fight and they, they, they had a, they had, you know, a history that went forward and ended up getting him kicked out of the House of Lords.
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The root of it.
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Is at the, they were called the Monks of Medmenhem.
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That was another name for the Hellfire Club because they'd like to think of themselves as monks.
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But it dates back to the Medmenhem days.
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John Wilkes would play pranks on the Earl of Sandwich.
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He was a river.
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He would play sex pranks.
► 00:54:01
Oh, Jesus.
► 00:54:02
One time when they were all really drunk, John Wilkes brought a baboon in dressed as a monk.
► 00:54:10
He brought in a fucking parody baboon.
► 00:54:13
Do these guys party or whatever?
► 00:54:14
When everyone was super drunk, and the quote was, it Produced considerable mayhem.
► 00:54:20
The baboon was probably just going nuts everywhere.
► 00:54:22
The baboon went baboon!
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Everyone is just drunk trying to chase down a baboon.
► 00:54:27
Oh my god.
► 00:54:27
They're all naked.
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How fun would that be?
► 00:54:29
They're all probably naked, their dicks flapping around trying to chase a baboon.
► 00:54:32
They're drunk.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah, that's so fun.
► 00:54:36
So, I don't know where we're going to get a baboon.
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Well, if you guys have a baboon, I like that.
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And you want to join the secret society, hit us up.
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Marty's shaking his head.
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Yeah.
► 00:55:29
Marty, this has been fun.
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It's been real fun.
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Sorry that, uh, you know, we got this hard out.
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We got a hard out.
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We got to get you over to some thing.
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Taco Fest.
► 00:55:36
Are you performing at Taco Fest?
► 00:55:37
No, man.
► 00:55:38
I'm just partaking.
► 00:55:39
Oh.
► 00:55:40
I have friends I have to meet there, though.
► 00:55:41
Oh, okay.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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No, no.
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That totally makes sense.
► 00:55:44
It doesn't, it's not any less crass.
► 00:55:45
No.
► 00:55:46
Because, but you know what?
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Tomorrow, I do suspect there will be.
► 00:55:49
There will be people walking around all over America with flames coming out of their butthole.
► 00:55:55
You said it.
► 00:55:57
You said it.
► 00:55:57
Thanks to Taco Fest.
► 00:55:58
You said it.
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This has been a lot of fun.
► 00:56:00
Thank you all for joining us here in the Brain Battle.
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We'll catch you next time here in Boomtown.
► 00:56:05
But until then, I've been Bogle Jub, the White Mystery.
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Now, please.
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Get out there and go do your job, which of course is loving somebody.
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And starting secret societies.
► 00:56:15
Yes.
► 00:56:16
And praising Satan.
► 00:56:25
I have to poop so bad.
► 00:56:32
Out of your butthole.
► 00:56:33
I have to poop so bad.
► 00:56:36
I had a giant coffee and a vegetable medley with some egg whites and tofu for breakfast.
► 00:56:46
It had kale and broccoli.
► 00:56:51
Have you ever had broccoli?
► 00:56:54
I don't know if that's a real thing.
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Alright.
► 00:56:57
So now.
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I have to run to your bathroom.
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Are your roommates home?
► 00:57:01
I don't think so.
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I got to go.
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Just go ahead and do shit then.
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I got to go.
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We'll see you next week.