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E488 Nick Kyrgios

Nick Kyrgios is a professional Tennis player and commentator based in Australia. He was a 2022 Wimbledon Finalist and one of the only players to beat the big 3 of Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal at least once. He also hosts his own podcast, “Good Trouble with Nick Kyrgios” which is available on all platforms. Nick Kyrgios joins Theo in Australia to chat about his reputation for being “the bad boy of Tennis”, how it felt beating some of sport’s biggest icons, why he thinks he played some of his best tennis after going to the pub, his now-viral heated exchange with Ben Stiller, ideas for evolving the game, and more. Nick Kyrgios: https://www.instagram.com/k1ngkyrg1os/ ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Shopify: Go to http://shopify.com/theo to sign up for a $1-per-month free trial. Factor: Go to http://factormeals.com/theo50 and use code theo50 to get 50% off. Morgan and Morgan: Go to http://forthepeople.com/thispastweekend or dial #LAW (#529) from your phone. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A_coTcUek ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	Today's guest is that tennis bad boy.
	Love, love, baby.
	We'll see about it.
	He is a professional tennis man, and he's a commentator.
	He was a finalist at the 2022 Wimbledon.
	He has his own podcast called Good Trouble.
	Very excited to sit down with one of Australia's most unique personalities.
	Today's guest is Nick Kyrgios.
	Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me And I will find a song I'll be singing I'm going to stay I'm going to stay
	Thank you guys for coming, man.
	Yeah, Nick Curios.
	Yep, Curios.
	That was pretty good.
	That was pretty good.
	And you have a new podcast of your own.
	Yeah, it's called Good Trouble.
	Good Trouble, yeah.
	Yep.
	Just had Gary Vee on, Jay Shetty, had a couple cool people.
	Con Ramsey.
	I thought about, what about Bi Curious would be a name?
	Buy Curious.
	Yeah, look, there was definitely a lot of spin-off of names.
	Was there?
	Yeah, but Good Trouble.
	Being Curious.
	Yeah, Being Curious, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of a different one.
	Hey, Curious.
	I don't know.
	That's kind of Italian, but.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	Dude, thanks for hanging out with me, man.
	And yeah, thank you guys for welcoming me into your country.
	It feels my biggest audiences are here.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, all my mates, we like what you bring.
	Oh, thanks, man.
	Definitely.
	What's it been like for you recently?
	I know you kind of have had like a little bit of a break from playing tennis, right?
	Yeah, I've had two surgeries now in the last year.
	I had my left knee, had a right wrist surgery as well.
	So just trying to get back healthy, man.
	I had best year of my career.
	Finals at Wimbledon.
	I was loving life.
	And then a couple injuries, but it's good, man.
	I like being back in Australia because if I'm healthy, I'm traveling like eight months a year away from family and friends.
	Just for tennis, it takes that much of commitment?
	Yeah, well, there's tournaments every week.
	You play every week in different places, different countries.
	So I'm pretty happy, like not to be injured, but to spend some time with the families.
	Is it dangerous?
	Like, I would be scared because comfort gets kind of dangerous, you know?
	Yep.
	Like you're comfortable or you have just a, even just getting to go to the, like the things I miss when I'm away from home, it's even just getting to go to the gym with my mates.
	Like little things like that.
	It's like that would keep me from going and doing some dates sometimes, some shows.
	It's like, I just want to have this normal.
	Yeah.
	Does that kind of shit start to like worry your brain at all?
	Yeah, well, that's what I was missing.
	Like for 10 years, I was traveling week in, week out.
	I missed just waking up in my own bed, like spending time with my dogs or my friends, like going to the cafe.
	And I guess I'm getting that now, which is good.
	Like I'm definitely spending more time in Australia.
	I'm busy though.
	Like you know how it is.
	Even when you're back home, you're trying to have meetings or be busy and stuff.
	But yeah, look, I don't mind just being from Canberra and chilling in Sydney a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	In tennis, because I don't know a ton about tennis.
	I used to live with some people and they played it a lot.
	Yep.
	And they had a little bit of money.
	They would drink wine and like eat like a lot of charcuterie and stuff.
	Yeah, whatever.
	But they would do tennis during the daytime, you know.
	And the skirts, I like the skirts on the women.
	Do you?
	But outside of that, I never knew a ton about it, you know?
	Is it like, because you've gotten to be at a level in it that's, that's really impressive, right?
	Appreciate it.
	When you get to certain levels, you get to see what the next shelf is like or what that, you know, you get a better look at certain things, right?
	Do you see that there's like a thing that makes some people get to an elite level?
	Like, is it extra training?
	Is it commitment?
	Is it just nature?
	Like, is it just that some people just have it?
	Like, I'm just curious about like what it, what it's, what can you see once you get to your level that that separates the elites?
	And I'm not saying you're not an elite player.
	No, no.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	I was about to just, yeah, go where you're going is like, I'm probably really, like, I'm really good.
	I'm elite.
	But then what separates me from someone, say, like Novak Djokovic or, you know, Rafan, like the greatest of all time.
	Like, for me, I was partying a lot when I was playing.
	Like, I would play, then go to the pub.
	Like, and I wouldn't, I don't regret it.
	Like, I love the fact that like my agents or my team had to drag me out of places at like 4 a.m.
	Like I love that shit.
	Yeah.
	But at the same time, like that was what separated me, I guess, from them.
	Like they were so diligent, so consistent.
	Like now I'm a lot better, but obviously when I was a bit younger, but the consistency that they've shown over decades is why like they're having way more success than I had.
	Is some of it nature, do you think?
	Do some guys just have a different element, like a different gear that God gave them?
	Or do you think that it's like a commitment thing?
	Because I'm just curious because tennis is such a solo sport.
	It's like golf.
	It's like, I mean, there's no team, really.
	It's just fucking you out there.
	Yeah, I mean, I played my longest match is four hours and 52 minutes.
	Oh, my God, dude.
	And I was having some serious matches.
	That's like watching Oppenheimer, but having to play the whole time.
	Yeah, you have some mental, serious, some serious mental conversations with yourself.
	Jesus.
	And then you have like, you got to do that again for seven days straight to win a tournament, basically.
	No way.
	Is that true?
	That's like a grand slam.
	Yeah.
	That's like how hard it is mentally.
	I mean, but the consistency, like, for instance, my nature, I wasn't willing to give up like the fun aspect of things whilst I was playing.
	Where like if I did that, definitely I probably would have had more Success, but I've had so much fun in my career.
	Like, those are the memories I'm sure you, I can't talk about them here, but like, those are the memories you take to the grave.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then that's like, I wouldn't trade that for Grand Slam.
	There's no way.
	Yeah.
	But that's the trade-off.
	Yeah.
	You're kind of like John Daly.
	Have you ever heard of him a little bit?
	Yeah, I've heard of him.
	Yeah.
	You're like kind of like that, or John Knightley, maybe, because I think he party during the daytime more because he would, yeah, he would, that guy's still partying.
	I've seen him.
	I live in Nashville, Tennessee.
	I've seen him get a couple times an ambulance as his Uber, basically.
	That's pretty crazy.
	That's a lot.
	Oh, I've seen him.
	The ambulance got called and there was some confusion as to where he was like on the premises.
	And he went and got in the shotgun of the ambulance.
	He went and got in the passenger seat and just waited.
	He's like, what the fuck is taking you guys so long?
	Take me to the fucking office.
	Yeah, just take me to the office sitting in there.
	And they're just running around with like a little, I'm not sure what it's called.
	What's some of like, and I'm not going to just grill you about tennis because I don't know a ton about it.
	Yeah, it's funny.
	But I do want to get like some thoughts that I had.
	Like, what are some things like, because football, you kind of know what the physical aspect is and like the training.
	What is shit that people don't know that like tennis training, like.
	Well, tennis is a tough one because you don't know when you're going to play exactly, like when the schedule comes out.
	Like, for instance, soccer or football or NBA or like you have an exact time when you know where the game's going to start and the duration of how long the game goes for.
	Where tennis is, you don't know what time you're going to play, where it could be at night, could be first match at 10 a.m., could be at 7 p.m.
	And then it could go for an hour and a half to five hours.
	So it's like, how do you train for something with so many different intangibles and variables?
	That's always been a big challenge for every tennis player.
	It's like you train for something that you don't even know what's coming and there's no teammates.
	You're out there on your own.
	And I think that's why tennis players, for me, it's one of the toughest sports in the world because we're going, you know, one week we're in Asia, one week we're in Europe, in the States for maybe a month, then Australia.
	It's like different diet, different food, different time zones.
	And it's like you've got to adapt and have that adaptability to be good.
	And that's tough because most other professional athletes like set in stone preparation, food, sleep.
	That's what the tennis is like, you just have to go with the flow.
	Dude, I always really struggle with it, I think.
	Yeah, there's like no routine, really.
	You have to try and find.
	Yeah, it's hard.
	Oh, my God.
	That's what I've lost my marbles, definitely.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I can't even imagine.
	Yeah, I mean, and from Australia as well, it's worse.
	We have like two tournaments a year here.
	So the rest of it's just traveling around.
	Fuck.
	Living out of a hotel.
	Oh.
	To live out of hotel.
	Yeah, because it's hard enough for me.
	Like, I know, I guess I sound like I'm complaining.
	I don't know, it doesn't sound like we're complaining.
	No, it's definitely a nice lifestyle, like learning about cultures and meeting new people and traveling to the coolest.
	But it's not like, oh, I think a lot of people think when I'm traveling, I'm like enjoying, going sightseeing, like I'm working.
	Like, you know, I'm playing, I'm training, I'm going to bed.
	Like, it's hard.
	It's not easy.
	Yeah, I mean, last night, like I get off stage and I know that I have to do this today, right?
	I know that I have to edit like a previous episode and look over it.
	It's hard.
	You know, so I'm up for till probably at two, I went to sleep and not complaining.
	It was cool, but it's not like, yeah, you get to get out.
	It's sort of walk in the park.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, there's some like dame that's hitting you up.
	She wants to hang out, but you're like, I know I have to do what I got to do.
	It's going to be, you know.
	Multitasking or not?
	Yeah, I'm going to save this freaking, you know, I'm going to save my nuts for Kyrios.
	You know, that's what I was thinking.
	Not in a gay way, but I'm just going to save my energy.
	I'll look after them.
	Thanks, bro.
	No worries.
	Dude, also, the food is totally different here.
	Like the food is totally different.
	The eggs are different.
	Dude, if you get to a country and the eggs are different, that can throw me off for a fucking week.
	Wait, do you like the eggs here?
	Like, the cafes are good here.
	Like, are you a breakfast guy or a dinner guy?
	I'm a breakfast guy.
	There's good cafes here.
	You like coffee?
	I don't.
	I like some of it.
	Sometimes it kind of fucking, I'll get a little bit weird on it, but I got to monitor how much I drink.
	So I'm doing green tea right now.
	There's a lot of caffeine in that too, though.
	Yeah, I make sure I get the low caffeine one.
	But yeah, I feel you because some of that shit.
	Yeah.
	Australian coffee is good, though.
	Is it?
	Yeah, very good.
	Yeah.
	I'll give you a list of good cafes you should go to after.
	Yeah.
	Tomorrow.
	You're leaving on Tuesday, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Definitely some good cafes you got to go to.
	I don't know.
	You probably can't go out and hear in public, can you?
	It's not bad.
	This is like, I never realized it really until this time that this is my biggest audience.
	You know, it's like years ago when I came, my biggest show ever was here, like just of numbers of people coming.
	And then this time it's been like that.
	And I'm like, wow, this is really.
	Must feel good.
	It's crazy.
	But I just kind of forget that.
	Then I get here and I'm like, oh, wow, so many people say hello.
	And it's nice.
	We are friendly people.
	Oh, dude.
	Too friendly.
	People are just, they're so fucking friendly.
	You almost want them to fucking stab you or something.
	You're like, you can't handle it.
	Not much of that.
	You're like, just rob me or something.
	You know what I'm saying?
	You just want to feel at home.
	You want to feel like you're back in the States, you know?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I can't relate to that.
	I do have a lot of friends in the States, but.
	It's so nice here, dude.
	Yeah, it is.
	Not having just the constant threat of crime or murder.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Big time.
	It's just so relaxing.
	Yeah, I was thinking about that.
	I wasn't thinking about anything, really, I guess.
	But what else is going on, you think?
	I mean, I got to do another podcast after this.
	Yeah.
	Do you really?
	Yeah.
	Your own?
	No, not my own.
	Just I'm jumping on a mate's one.
	Oh, wow.
	It can be a lot sometimes, huh?
	Yeah, I mean, trying to juggle around.
	I've got to somehow find some time to train as well.
	Got to keep the missus entertained.
	Oh, you got a wife?
	No, she's not my wife, but she's my partner, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She needs attention.
	She does.
	Yeah.
	And what do you like to do with their lady?
	You guys go kayaking or what do you go?
	No, look, I'm not like, I'm Australian, but I'm not like a true blue Aussie in the sense like I do like crazy Australian stuff.
	Like I'll probably, I'll get dinner tonight with her.
	I'll try.
	I don't really want to drink any wine because then if I have one, I'll have two, then I'll probably go out.
	I don't want to do that because I don't want to feel like shit tomorrow morning.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	What are you doing tonight?
	Well, we do, we got a show, and then the show starts an hour early, so we might be able to, we might do something after.
	The only reason, if I will go out tonight, if I'm going out with you, then I'll come.
	Wow.
	That's the that's I'm gonna give that deal to my miss.
	So if The Avon wants to go out, I don't care what else is on the schedule.
	We're clearing it.
	Dear Christ, then.
	Well, tell the miss to put on her heels then, bud.
	All right, I'm down.
	All right, cool.
	She got no excuse then.
	Yeah, dude.
	So if your tour starts back up for tennis, how do you jump back into tennis?
	Do you just can you just go back in at a certain point or do you have to wait till a season starts?
	What's it like?
	So basically it's a ranking system.
	So by me not playing for the last like year and a half because of injury, I lost my ranking, but I have like a protected ranking of like 20. Okay.
	So I can come back at pretty much any point in time when I'm healthy and I just slop back in basically.
	Is it scary to be like, all right, I'm ready to go?
	That seems fuckers.
	Big time because for me as a player, like there's obviously a lot of eyes because I'm very like controversial and stuff.
	Because you're almost black a little, I think.
	Maybe in a very white privileged sport like tennis.
	Oh, people see a guy with a people see a guy that's been in the sun for a half hour and they're like, oh, look at this brother trying to cause trouble.
	Yeah, there is a bit of that.
	Yeah, there is a bit of that.
	But yeah, so I guess when I'm playing, it's like, oh, he's coming back and there's a lot of pressure on it.
	So I need to make sure that when I'm ready to go, then...
	Exactly.
	Because it's like, I don't fly underneath the radar, which would be nice sometimes.
	Yeah, it's like, what is he going to do now?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Is he going to, you know, chew gum during this match or what?
	God forbid I do that.
	Are you allowed to do that?
	Yeah, you can do that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I've done it.
	Yeah.
	But like, yeah, you're right.
	Like, I walk differently on the court and people are like.
	Look at this deviant.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Gang member.
	Yeah, literally.
	I should show you some articles after this.
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	Dude, is there any good moments where people yell shit at tennis?
	Because it's such a refined...
	Because it feels very organized out there.
	Yeah, Wimbledon, like, you can't say a thing.
	Like, it's very, like, you can hear the royal family's there.
	Like, I was cussing in front of the royal family, which was funny.
	Like, it was good.
	Gave him a show.
	But US Open's so loud.
	New York's crazy.
	But people don't really...
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And like, I mean, I told, like, there was a time in Cali when I was playing and Ben Stiller was in the crowd and one of his friends was like telling me how to play.
	And I was like, fuck that.
	I was like, bro, are you good at tennis?
	Like, why are you speaking?
	And then I said to Ben, I was like, do I tell him how to act?
	Yeah.
	No, like, I love Ben Stiller.
	Hilarious.
	But people do scream out some pretty crazy shit.
	Racial stuff sometimes.
	Pretty.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's pretty.
	No.
	No, I'm half Malaysian, half Greek.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	I am mixed, yeah.
	But you'd have to have a damn calculator to get racist against somebody like you.
	I feel like you got to, you know what I'm saying?
	You got to really have a chart or something.
	People are so diverse now.
	If you don't really...
	To really be a good racist, Yeah, you've got to at least be able to do some math almost.
	I think that's why a lot of racism is disappearing because there's a barrier to entry now because people are so mixed, you know?
	Yeah.
	What do you think about when you see some of these matches?
	Like they just said, didn't they just have Jake Paul was going to fight Lyson?
	What do you think about that shit, man?
	It's fucking crazy, isn't it?
	It's fucking dumb, I think.
	Like, well, what are you expecting?
	What do you think the outcome is going to be?
	Like, I know that they're not, like, in their prime or whatever, but the whole background was fighting.
	That's a good point.
	And he keeps like somehow pulling it out.
	Like, if he pulls this one out, I don't care how old Mike Tyson gets.
	I'm not even fighting that guy until it, because he actually sat down on my show.
	He's fucking crazy.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Like, I felt I would not fight.
	Even if he's seven years old, I'm not fighting him.
	He just felt like he had that danger in him?
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Well, I asked him, what would you be if you weren't a boxer?
	He said, a fucking criminal.
	Like stone cold in my eyes.
	And I'm like, okay, nice.
	So yeah, if he pulls this one out, what do you think?
	Well, I think, I mean, well, Jake fought like Nate Robinson, who was like- Natebo.
	Right.
	He was a Knicks legend.
	And it was just kind of like, oh, can Jake beat a black eye?
	That was kind of the ambiance of that when it felt like.
	And then people were shocked.
	But then he fought Woodley.
	Which is tough.
	Which is tougher, but Woodley has not been the same fighter.
	He's been for years.
	And he hasn't been a good punch thrower.
	What about Diaz?
	I thought Diaz was going to get the job done.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	And then Silver.
	I thought these guys are like some of the greatest UFC fighters of all time, especially Silver.
	Right.
	I mean, he picked great names, but then now he's kind of gone into boxing.
	He fought Fury.
	Yeah, and he lost that.
	Okay, he lost that one, right?
	He lost to Turkey.
	Oh, yeah, that's right.
	He lost a ton of family.
	He lost Fury.
	And I think Tyson could be still a little bit better than I would rather fight Fury than Mark Tyson.
	Yeah.
	I think.
	Well, I don't, I mean, they had that Tyson against Jones Jr. fight a few years ago.
	Is that right?
	And it was just them hugging basically.
	It was basically you paid $50 to watch Two Brothers hug, which I would do.
	I believe in, you know, I want all my black friends to do well and everything.
	I believe in the community and the culture.
	But it's like, actually, yeah, I would actually pay $50 to watch Two Brothers hug for an hour.
	Like, that would be a great pay-per-view.
	But they billed it as a boxing match.
	Jones was gassed out early.
	Well, was Tyson gassed too?
	Yeah.
	But they hugged so quick after any exchange, it was hard to know.
	You didn't want to force it or risk it.
	Yeah, it almost seemed like it was like a.
	Does this hurt Tyson's legacy if he loses it?
	I don't think so.
	I think his shit is so locked in.
	Yeah, you think so?
	Now he's all...
	Is it staged at all?
	Now, that's the part I don't know.
	I don't know if Tyson's going to agree to say, hey, you can knock me out.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	You know?
	And because some of the weed can't even knock him out.
	Like, dude, that dude is taking on, let's say this.
	Yes, he fought Leon Holmes or whatever, but he's also fought, you know, Purple Hooker 4.0 weed.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Or whatever the strains are.
	He gave me a box of it when I was in the Really gassed out monster or whatever.
	They keep coming up with different flavors, you know?
	Kiwi prison and shit.
	And you're like, fuck, dude, this shit is fucking hard, dude.
	Detroit for your lungs is a new flavor.
	I'm like, Detroit for your lungs.
	That's alarming.
	So I think if he can beat all of that.
	When is it?
	When is the fight?
	June, no?
	Well, Jake had a fight the other day.
	He fought like a footlocker manager.
	Yeah.
	A footlocker.
	He basically fought a guy.
	I'm not even joking.
	Nobody knew who this guy.
	I didn't know who he was yet.
	Even the guy's father was tweeting, like, I didn't know my son was involved in this.
	Well, there's a good fight right now.
	Joshua Nganu is on now.
	That's a good one.
	Oh, Anthony Joshua and Francis Nganu?
	That's on right now, I think.
	At this moment?
	Yep.
	Oh, wow.
	Manny?
	Joshua won.
	Anthony Joshua won.
	Wow.
	I was surprised by that, actually.
	I thought Nganu was going to win that.
	There's something so lovable about Nganu, you watch him do anything.
	Yeah, that's true.
	He's a big man.
	Yeah.
	I would watch him eat a piece of birthday cake for one hour on pay-per-view.
	Yeah, he's a pretty good physique.
	I'm not going to lie.
	And there's just something charming about him, you know?
	Like there's something about some players and athletes.
	Like, that's one thing I do love about the UFC is that you can get to know some of the athletes.
	Yep.
	Right?
	Like, you get, because of the press conferences they give them and the interviews at the end of the fights and stuff, you start to get a little bit of an idea of who they are.
	Who do you like?
	I'm a huge Poirier guy.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's fighting soon, too, I saw.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's fighting tomorrow.
	And this will come out next week, so he will have just fought.
	But yeah, I love him.
	I love, I mean, the Diaz guys.
	I love the guys that I don't even like because you just get to know them.
	Like, they're either the villains or you get to see their personalities online.
	Sugar Sean, he's fighting.
	It's just so entertaining.
	There are a lot of characters on there now that I'm thinking about it.
	Yeah.
	But I think Jake Paul could really bang on him, it looks like.
	I don't want it.
	I think it hurts Tyson's legacy if he loses.
	Because no one really talks about who he fought back then now.
	It's just like he did what he did and he achieved it.
	And now if he loses, it's going to be everywhere.
	Yeah.
	It's a good point, huh?
	Like, when do you say, hey, I'm good with where?
	And is he in the right mind?
	Who's signing that deal for him?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm just going to be watching.
	You know, he fought.
	Who else did he fight?
	He fought damn Lester Douglas.
	He fought fucking 50 shades of cannabis.
	He's fought everybody.
	He's fought everything.
	He's fought Delta 8 probably when it first came on the market.
	That guy fucking.
	You're fucked.
	No, I'm just saying.
	That guy, there's nothing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But he's been through a lot.
	Like, he told me that he'd been through, like, I mean, he's obviously, he's been pretty open about it, but he said that he burnt the wick at both ends.
	Like, he used to party like crazy and fight.
	It's nuts.
	Do you feel that ever?
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	dial pound law pound529 from your cell phone that's for the people.com slash this past weekend or pound law pound529 from your cell this is a paid advertisement oh yeah dude i had some yeah dude i had i uh because i don't party anymore so i had one time i relapsed i was in i was in where was i in cleveland what were
	you doing in cleveland i don't know it ended up being drugs though i know that it was supposed to be work and it was but i ended up doing work and drugs and then um Yeah, the next night I had a show in Indianapolis and like, oh, it was horrible.
	I've been getting like IVs all day and had to go on stage and just felt kind of rattled.
	You know, it was miserable.
	What do you do now to just stay on the straight and narrow?
	Nothing.
	I just got off of vaping, so, but I'll have some fucking, what will I do?
	I'll have some fucking Pepsi Max or I'll fucking slam a couple Coke Zeros and just, I don't know, squeeze my fucking penis sometimes.
	I just, I don't try not to jerk off at night.
	Really?
	Yeah, because I think I have better dreams and like visions and stuff if I don't.
	So I'm trying, yeah, I'll just try to just, sometimes instead of masturbating, I'll just squeeze my wiener as hard as I can.
	Almost squeezing the devil back into my body.
	The fact that you say all of this, like that last two sentences with a completely straight face, I believe you.
	Thanks, man.
	Yeah, I believe.
	I totally believe you.
	I believe me too, man.
	I've just done it so many times.
	Because for me, man, if I'm the devil comes out of my wiener, that's where I feel like.
	If I had to really, you know what I'm saying?
	If I start thinking about something, I will fucking I will tie my fucking penis to my foot and kick somebody's fucking neck open.
	That's how I feel.
	You're fucking crazy, bro.
	But that's how I feel, man, sometimes.
	But I think that's drugs also built up in my system, you know?
	Possibly, yeah.
	Yeah, and I used to vape.
	I'm actually like maybe 11 days off of vaping right now.
	Yeah, get off the vape.
	It's fucking horrible.
	It's killing children.
	Yeah, no, I don't like vaping.
	Oh, dude, you see they had a with that vape shop blew up.
	You see that bitch?
	Finally, somebody's infiltrating these places.
	Well, right here.
	Did a vape like explode?
	Explosion at vaping warehouse.
	Look at this.
	In Michigan, of course.
	Any vape at any time can kind of fucking do that, though.
	Look at them blasting off like fireworks.
	Like, is it good that the same things is getting inhaled into people's lungs?
	Yeah, shit that's in fireworks.
	Would you take a firework over to it?
	Look at this.
	This looks like Gaza.
	And look, there's some kids running up trying to get free vapes and shit.
	That's insane.
	They end up blowing him, just catching the framework.
	Oh, I'm sure there's some fucked hard just four buildings down just with his head out there.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, that's cramping.
	I'm glad you're off that.
	Yeah, thanks, man.
	It's so it.
	And yesterday I had a moment where somebody had one and I looked at it and then I didn't even think about it.
	And it was the first time that my brain felt like, oh.
	Thank God I'm not doing that shit.
	Yeah, dude.
	Good.
	It's horrible.
	And also, you're a fucking adult and you're vaping and people see you and you feel like it's just a pedophile.
	It looks like it's for children, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, so you don't drink anything anymore?
	No alcohol at all?
	Not right now, because I'll buy drugs.
	That's why.
	Yeah, okay.
	Did you ever get on, you ever, do you ever drink much?
	Yes.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I still drink a little bit, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't mind it.
	Yeah, if you're good at it, fucking do it.
	Yeah.
	Do it until you can't do it.
	I'm not a vapor, though.
	I'm glad I didn't.
	That solidifies it.
	I'm never going to ever touch a vape again.
	Well, yeah, you saw that.
	Imagine if somebody took a bottle rocket up to a seventh grader and just lit one in and said, hey, Bub, smoke this.
	It's like tiny, like it seems to be safe.
	Fuck that.
	It's got the same chemicals as a fucking 4th of July in it.
	That's just damn alarming.
	But yeah, I think I'm sure there's probably people trying to get those vapes now.
	Like explosion vapes.
	That's the thing.
	They'll just market as like a new thing.
	It'll be a new marketing tactic.
	Like, come get these explode, you know.
	That's social media, though.
	Yeah.
	Somehow turn something like that into a positive.
	Yeah.
	It's pretty alarming.
	What else do you see?
	Can people, you can't vape out on the court.
	Anybody ever smoke at halftime during y'all's games?
	We don't have halftime, but no, like, look, I mean, I've, the closest thing to something pretty loose on a tennis court is you see someone drinking like a Coca-Cola.
	Like there was back in the old days, I think people used to maybe like, there was like a guy who played this, actually one of the, he played the Williams Sisters because like there was a big thing between like, can females and males like compete at the same level?
	And then some guy ranked like 200 went out there with like, I think it's, you can actually find on internet, he was smoking a cigarette and having a beer while he played the Williams Sisters and he beat them.
	But like he was, that was probably the last time someone ever smoked a cigarette on court.
	Wow.
	It was one versus two?
	No, he versed Serena, I think Venus first and then Serena after.
	So there is a difference in level between the masculine and feminine play usually.
	I mean, I believe so, yeah.
	I mean, well, there's a genetic difference.
	There's a two separate tours, yeah.
	Big time.
	There's a scientific difference.
	There's also probably a difference in way your body can even move.
	I don't know what they are, but because I think women have a different Cossacks or like, I don't know what it's called, hips or whatever, you know?
	I don't know, I don't know, man.
	Yeah.
	But we play for, we play, like Grand Sams, we play best of five, which can go for like five hours.
	And if you play against a woman or people like do.
	There's mixed doubles.
	There's mixed doubles.
	Oh, there is.
	Like, I played with Venus against like someone else, yeah.
	Wow.
	Mixed doubles was fun.
	I think mixed doubles is actually should be played more because it's entertaining, right?
	Like, it's more fun seeing both sexes on the court at the same time, in my opinion, for the fans.
	Like me, I never thought I'd play with Venus Williams.
	It's pretty cool.
	Yeah, wow.
	I went to Wimbledon one time.
	Did you?
	Yeah, I was doing a comedy tour over there in England, and we went to damn Wimbledon.
	I remember walking up and being like...
	Well, I didn't know what we should do.
	I felt like you had to like at least be able to play an instrument or something to get in.
	You know, I just felt.
	Like you just tick it.
	That's it?
	Yeah.
	I was like, damn, I don't know the violin or whatever.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It just seemed very, you know, and I remember saluting people at the gate or whatever.
	And the guy was like, the fuck are you doing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, Wimbledon's, it's very proper.
	Yeah.
	That place hasn't changed in 100 years.
	Does your sport feel too proper ever?
	For me, I mean, well, I just grew up loving basketball.
	Like, I love NBA, watch it religiously.
	And when I played tennis, I always felt like I was a bit of an out, like a misfit, right?
	I didn't fit in well.
	So then when I was walking to places like Wimbledon, I was like, this place is, it's crazy.
	Like it's so against what I like.
	I was watching, I love watching basketball, entertainment, American sport for me in general, is like where I fit in.
	I feel very at home in the States.
	Oh, wow.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, it's for me.
	It's like being at the library, I feel like.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	And I don't like like my personality and the way I am is like not close to how the traditional sport of tennis is.
	Yeah.
	Like, do you know what I mean?
	I'm not clean cut at all.
	So it's like, I've just been in an environment my whole life that I've kind of wanted to break out of.
	But that's the only thing I'm really fucking good at.
	But that's the only thing you're good at?
	Well, I'm good at other things, but that's where like we all have our thing you do.
	Exactly.
	Oh, yeah.
	I look at a musician.
	I went and watched a musician play the other night and I'm like, God, we went and saw Fred again.
	Have you seen this guy, DJ?
	No.
	Yeah, he's Fred again.
	And he was always Fred, I think, but he still is, right?
	And we saw him and it was great.
	And yeah, I was like, God, that's so awesome.
	Why didn't I try to do that?
	You know, and then you have the instruments and the lights and it's a fucking party.
	You got every night, though, would be tough, no?
	Don't you think?
	Yeah.
	To try and, you got to match everyone's energy all night.
	How'd you get into this?
	Has anyone ever asked you that?
	In a podcasting?
	Yeah, just like you.
	Like, how did it all happen for you?
	Well.
	Because I feel like there was a time where Theovon didn't exist in my life, and then now that's all I see is you.
	Yeah.
	So what was the journey like?
	Oh, that's interesting, man.
	Well, I've done comedy for a long time, right?
	People forget sometimes, I think.
	I don't know if they forget, they just don't know.
	They don't know when you go on stage.
	You've been going on stage for 18 years.
	Even if they only known you about you for four years.
	Comedy is a tough gig, by the way.
	You know, I think it's probably similar in some of the sense.
	I mean, you guys, I couldn't imagine having into a four-hour set, but at least you get to hit it to the other person and let them deal with it for a minute.
	Yeah, for a second, yeah.
	Yeah, just for a second.
	That's true.
	You really don't get much more.
	You're like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
	Yeah.
	But then when I think social media really got crazy, you know, like everything was going good with podcasting, that really helped.
	Because we felt caged up by like the entertainment industry.
	You know, it's the same people making the same choices.
	It's a very secular group, you know, over there.
	And it's like, and if they don't kind of pick you to be the person or something they see or they don't like some of your vision, then they don't push you forward.
	But if you tell me that, I'm going to fucking find a way forward.
	That's all.
	That's the only thing I've ever known is I never want to do shit your way anyway.
	So I don't even know what the fuck I was doing here pretending I was.
	That's the saddest part sometimes for me.
	But, you know, I don't say that.
	Like, I don't know.
	I say that I think some of that's in hindsight at the time.
	Yeah, you, you want to go with, you want to try the path that's there.
	I, yeah, I was going on podcasts and then I walked out of Joe Rogan's podcast one day and I was like, I just want to just have my own thing.
	Yep.
	I just want to have my own thing.
	And thank God that, you know, there was people like Mark Marin and Rogan.
	There was Fighter and the Kid, which was an early podcast with Brennan Schaub and Brian Callum.
	Like there was just these things, Pete Holmes.
	There was a lot of pod, and it was like a thing.
	And I just started it in my kitchen.
	And then social media, like people, other people made clips.
	And that got things to a different place.
	Like when people started taking stuff and making it.
	They're just putting it out there.
	Yeah.
	Cause then you're, you're.
	You're spreading.
	Yeah, you're spreading it, but you're not doing the spreading.
	Yeah.
	So, but it's kind of alarming too, because you, then you can't control the spread.
	That's true.
	That's what I was going to ask you because I feel like today's day and age with what you say and stuff, but I feel like you don't filter anything, but you're still saying what you want to say.
	Like a lot of people don't.
	I know that I can't say things.
	Like sitting with you right now, I know that I could be as honest as anything, but if I said something slightly controversial, it would affect my career drastically.
	If you text it, I'll yell it out.
	See, that's what I'm saying.
	That's what I, I'm kind of jealous in that way because like I'm from Australia, right?
	And I'm already against the eight ball.
	Like the media is always against me.
	They've created this reputation that like I'm a bad guy, whatever.
	It's like, what'd you even do?
	You just wore high socks, dude, if I threw a tennis racket or some shit.
	But it's like, I kind of envy the fact that you can be so honest.
	Oh, I see.
	Well, I think if you're already kind of leaning into some of this world with your own voice, because that's really what you're doing, I think, with podcasting.
	I think some people, we don't even realize it maybe, is that you're just trying to have your own voice, right?
	That's a part of it in our psyche, I think.
	And I don't say that from like a preachy point.
	I say it, I think, from a realization point, even for me just now.
	It's like, oh, I just want to have my own voice.
	So I think if you want to have that, then it'll probably be something that you have down the line.
	You know, if you're having seeds of it come into your own existence now.
	Yeah, I feel like people are embracing it a little bit more.
	But still, I would like to be a bit more honest with some things.
	One day you'll get to, man.
	I hope so.
	Yeah, because I guess it does feel caged up.
	Well, I think if you work within a network, you know, we had this guy, Trevor Bauer, on recently, and he's a pitcher, and he got maligned in the States for some sexual allegations, right?
	And then he played in Japan, and it came to be there was never any prosecution or anything.
	And one of the people pressing charges or the main person pressing charges, there wasn't any validity there.
	It was dishonest.
	But he never really has gotten back on his feet for damage is probably done because the damage was done.
	But also, I think he had been somebody who kind of wanted to have their own voice in his sport.
	Like he had started, he has a YouTube platform and he would comment about things he didn't love about the sport as well.
	So I think that kind of once you're within a bigger group, you kind of have to work with the rules of the group, you know?
	So who does your stuff?
	So you do like your show, this podcast, and then you go to your show tonight.
	Who Do you answer to, or do you just run on your own schedule?
	Yeah, we just run on our own schedule.
	But yeah, but I don't play a professional sport if I also was playing within a and then you know, you probably, if you say something, then it comes the tennis, what's the overall tennis thing called?
	Major League Tennis?
	It's just called ATP, like the, yeah, that's all it is.
	ATP, they would be like, what's going on?
	You know, yeah.
	So it probably cages you up.
	You definitely got to come.
	When I'm coming back, you got to come and watch.
	Dude, that's what I'm saying.
	That would be fucking epic, bro.
	Yeah, because the only one we could get into at Wimbledon, I think it was Wimbledon.
	It could have been a fucking high school match, but we it somebody said it was Wimbledon.
	Did you hear me?
	I remember the Kentucky Derby, actually.
	When was it?
	When is Wimbledon?
	July 1st.
	Oh, July.
	I got to look back and see.
	I got to ask myself.
	The fact that you don't even remember, that disappoints me.
	Yeah.
	Because my job is when people that are not tennis fans, they come and watch, they actually remember who the fuck's playing.
	Oh, wow.
	That's what I've been criticized doing.
	Like, oh, he's not even playing tennis the traditional way.
	I'm like, Theo Vaughn came to Wimbledon and doesn't even know who played.
	That should be like a message to the ATP right now.
	Like, we're doing a terrible job.
	Yeah, do they do, is it this that they have a tough time?
	Like, I guess there's fear of like, if they start to individualize people too much over the sport, then it gives a lot more power to the players themselves.
	I don't know.
	I wonder what that's like.
	Yeah, like they, I mean, everyone knows who the players are who bring fans and why the ticket sales get sold and all that type of stuff.
	Like, everyone knows that.
	Yeah.
	And the ATP likes to hide the fact that they think it's a lot of an equal thing, but it's not.
	Like, the fact that there's a tennis player sitting in your podcast right now, like, that's pretty cool.
	Yeah, I think it's cool, man.
	This is the first real tennis player I ever talked to, except for my friend's dad, who ended up, he was kind of an alcoholic, to be honest with you, but he cheated on their mom.
	But he played tennis a lot in the mornings, I remember.
	And he would, I would catch him at nights and I was looking at porno on the computer, but he was a good, pretty good tennis player.
	I think he was like a 3.5 or a 4.0.
	Did you?
	Is that good?
	What is that?
	3.5 and a 4.0?
	I don't know.
	They might have made it up.
	I don't even know.
	I don't know what was going on.
	Have you played before?
	I got to text my buddy.
	Yeah, yeah, I've played, man.
	Tennis is pretty big in the States.
	Like, obviously not as big as your main sports, but there's a lot of tennis fans out there.
	When we were children, we had to play at school.
	Yeah.
	And it was, you would see, wow, some people are very unathletic.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's like my thing with tennis.
	You get like the best athletes in the world.
	You put a tennis rack in there and they become uncoordinated.
	Really?
	Yep.
	Have you seen it happen?
	Yep.
	A lot of times.
	A lot of times.
	I've seen some basketball players try and play.
	Some of our athletes in Australia try and play tennis.
	They think because it's non-contact, it's easy.
	Oh.
	Yeah, it's such a finesse game, huh?
	It's finesse.
	Very technical, yeah.
	Yep.
	What do you like?
	And if you have a bathroom break, how long is that?
	Well, the rules, that's where it gets gray because you can, like, if you need to take a number two, like take a shit, you can just be like, I need to go straight away.
	And then like, like, the umpire, it's all on the umpire's discretion.
	No way.
	So you have like a shit colonel or whatever?
	Yeah, well, like the umpire.
	Like an admiral or whatever?
	Yeah.
	Like an admiral, yeah, like umpire.
	But like, yeah, if I need to go to the bathroom, I can go change events, but it's like for like 90 seconds.
	No.
	But then like, if I need to take, like, then how do they know I could get sick?
	Like, I could be sick or whatever.
	So I hate having to pee real fast because it burns a little, too.
	I don't know if that's healthy, brother.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I mean, personally.
	That's healthy.
	Oh, God, dude.
	I shouldn't have fucking said that.
	It doesn't burn all the time.
	It just, but if you have to hurry and pee, like sometimes if somebody's like, hurry up, and you're like, you get stage fried.
	Yeah.
	Or yeah, you just have to pee so fast.
	Yeah.
	If you get stage fried in front of yourself, then you're just a fucking weirdo, I think.
	I don't get that.
	I don't get that, dude.
	But yeah, so you have to, how do you, do you, do you give a guy a little bit of a signal that you have to go to the Louvre?
	You have to ask him.
	You're just like, oh, how do you go to the bathroom?
	Your honor, can I shoot?
	Yeah, basically that.
	You can't just get subbed off and go to the bathroom.
	Yeah, you have to be like, can I go to the bathroom and eat whatever?
	Oh my God.
	So it's very much like the old days in the kingdom.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like the game in my...
	It's a bit old school.
	Like it's not going to be...
	It would be cool if at certain points, like the net lit up or something and there was like a spice round or something.
	There you go.
	You know?
	Yeah, but they liked it the way it is.
	But it needs to change.
	How can it change, though?
	That's what's interesting, too, is some sports you wonder if they just.
	They've hit like hit the ceiling almost.
	Yeah, like in a way.
	I mean, obviously competition will always want people to be there.
	But you wonder, yeah, I never thought about that.
	Do some sports start to have they just had their time in existence?
	Like bocce ball.
	What is that?
	Yeah, what is it?
	Great question.
	I don't know, but I know at one point it was one of the top 11 sports in the whole world.
	When was bocce ball big, brother?
	You pull that up?
	Tennis, I guess, it's just because I think they're afraid to lose the lifelong fans that they've had.
	You know what I mean?
	And you do need those because- I have to...
	Like, I'm not a big...
	And now I like watching it.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, if they just stayed true to their fighting fans, like, I think I've done an amazing job marketing at press conferences.
	Tennis has none of that.
	Like, tennis, we don't even have, like, if we had a press conference before the match, that would be good.
	But now we only have post.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it could use something.
	Yeah.
	How do you spice it up?
	But it's kind of, it definitely is challenging because it's like with any brand.
	It's like, how do you cater to, you know, like we have a, we have some young audience members.
	I'll be like around, you know, kids.
	Yeah.
	And they're like, what the fuck?
	I'll be able to say that in front of their parents and the parents are like, you can't say what the fuck.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, I can say it to him.
	Yeah, I know, but I think if you show this kid.
	If you strip it back, like you just, you're teaching people to just be yourself and be comfortable in your own skin.
	And, you know, I think you, at the end of the day, it's not.
	It's just a swear word.
	Who fucking?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think the alarming part is when they say it in front Of the parent, and then they're like, Yeah, this guy says it.
	And I'm like, and then, because then there's this moment, like me and the kid know each other, and it's like, and the parents look at me, like, how do you know I choose?
	Yeah, yeah, like, I don't know this kid, and then I'll say it again, yeah, just so the parent knows that I do use the word, but yeah, and but yeah, it's like, and then, but, yeah, there's with everything on the internet, though, I don't think watching you swear is that bad compared to some of the shit that's on there now.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Like, it's very less of the two evils, that's for sure.
	Yeah.
	Um, what did it say?
	When was Boceyball one of the biggest?
	How do you play?
	Is it like lawn balls?
	Yes, it's lawn balls.
	That's still pretty.
	It's not small now.
	No, no, I agree.
	It's actually hard, by the way.
	I played recently.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be.
	When we go to the beach, someone brings it usually.
	The sport is very popular on the eastern side of the Adriatic, especially in Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Montenegro.
	I'll say that.
	Slovenia.
	Yeah, because people are always going to want to compete.
	But yeah, I wonder what you could do to tennis to make it spice up.
	I think if they're, you can't put like cheerleaders.
	That would be, that's too much.
	Is it?
	What about this?
	If they had a chick in a box on the sideline and every now and then she just smiled at a play, that would be kind of hot.
	Wait, what'd you say?
	A chick in a box?
	Yeah, if you had like a dame or what, I don't know what you guys call them over here, but a female of chest, with breasts or of chest.
	I don't know how you say it, but if you had a female of chest and she was in like a little bit of a cage, maybe I don't want to say it.
	And then like what, and a good shot happened?
	A good shot happened.
	Every now and then she would just smile a wink, you know?
	Just something casual and subtle, so it's respectful, but still just gets a bit more.
	Off chest.
	Yeah.
	Just gets a bit more of like a, oh, look at Olivia.
	She enjoyed it.
	You definitely function on a different spectrum, man.
	I love it.
	But you know what I'm saying?
	Oh, look, Chloe enjoyed that.
	Like, if this one extra little thing to give it some.
	Well, if it would get you more interested, then it'll help.
	Yeah, if you got to see if Chloe was interested if she just kept reading her book, you know?
	Yeah.
	In the little box, in the cage or whatever.
	People know what I'm talking about.
	What else is going on?
	Boce ball.
	Yeah, bocce ball.
	10 facts about bocce ball, the world's third most popular sport.
	You're lying.
	No, because you've got to think about all of the elderly, like it's low impact.
	They play with their friends.
	Bocceball is the third most popular sport in the world after soccer and golf.
	Wow.
	Oh, there's a lot of like senior beef.
	Yeah, definitely.
	A lot of people playing for heart pills out there.
	Imagine that, right?
	You put your script on the line against Mr. Gordon.
	That's so crazy, bro.
	Heart pills.
	Wow, George Washington built a bocce court at Mount Vernon in the 1780s.
	So that must have been big then, man.
	If in the president built a bocce court.
	It must have been the thing.
	Yeah, it must have been the thing, man.
	Notable bocce players have included the Roman Emperor.
	So back then, the ancient Greek physician Hippocrates.
	Go the other way, bruv.
	And Galileo.
	Damn, baby.
	They had that fucking space baby playing.
	That's insane.
	25 million people in the U.S. alone play bocce.
	Bro, I think this was written by somebody that plays bocce.
	I've only seen it with some senior citizens, you know, and there's a lot of like, yeah, regulation bocce courts are 91 feet long by 13 feet long, and variations are acceptable if foul lines, mid-court lines, and inbound markers are designated.
	Huh.
	Do you, what do you guys think of with paddleball coming on?
	Is that a fucking like a lot?
	Does that feel alarming to you guys with paddleball coming on?
	Or it's whatever?
	Well, pickleball's huge too.
	Pickleball, that's what I mean.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	I'm a part owner in one of the teams.
	Oh, you are?
	Yeah, Miami.
	Now, is that a bad look?
	Well, I don't think so.
	I mean, like, I love, I love just people.
	Sport in general, for me, like, getting people active and stuff is good.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Yeah, it's not a bad look.
	Yeah, it's not.
	I mean, like, look, I think tennis will always be tennis.
	Like, it's very different.
	Like, tennis is way harder.
	But there's been a couple people that, like, one of my friends, one of my best friends played professional tennis, and now he's like, he plays professional pickleball.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And it's like, it's good.
	Like, Mahomes is, like, he's the same team owner as me as well in Miami.
	So it's cool.
	Like, a lot of big guys are getting involved in it.
	It's pretty good.
	Yeah.
	And now, what do you, as a part owner, do you have responsibilities in the team?
	Well, we have team meetings every now and then.
	Like, I don't, I don't do much for them apart from, you know, be a part of their, like, I guess, marketing and all that type of stuff.
	But we do have team meetings.
	And one time I wasn't really happy with my team.
	And I told them to get a new team so we could start winning.
	Yeah, it's fun.
	It's fun.
	Like, it's, I reckon you'd be good at this, to be honest.
	I played it two times.
	Oh, you have played it?
	Yeah, but one time we didn't bring any sunscreen.
	See y'all been.
	I got...
	It's fun.
	It's growing, too.
	It's huge in the States.
	It's growing, and it's also, there's a big gay contingency in the States that's playing as well.
	Can you look that up?
	Gay Pickleball?
	It's huge in the States.
	Gay Pickleball.
	Well, yeah, because I think it's just the attire and the kind of pitter patter close to the, you know, the bat.
	It's like pickleball is personally and financially welcoming for gay players.
	Told you.
	There's no way you're going to get four people that close together in little shorts.
	You are.
	Batting something around and the gay dudes aren't going to get excited.
	Bro, it's a gay people can play whatever they want.
	And they're doing it right here.
	It says, bring up a couple of, bring up a gay pickleball player.
	Seize the top.
	You're telling me this.
	Click on that image.
	Go back one, please, brother.
	Click on this Image right here, you're telling me, huh?
	That's a girl.
	Yeah, but you can barely tell it is, dude.
	You're telling me every gay male in America doesn't see this and be like, get me an Uber over there right now.
	This is everything they want, man.
	It's competitive.
	It's outdoorsy.
	Yeah, there he is right here.
	There's a player right here.
	Out player Zach Taylor.
	Zoom in on.
	Can we get a better picture of him?
	Come on.
	This is definitely.
	This is the.
	Oh my gosh.
	This is the.
	This is everything.
	This is everything.
	Do you want to zoom in on his shorts or what?
	Well, just get a, I'm just seeing, or just look up a better picture of him.
	This guy's over here.
	This pervert.
	Over here.
	I can zoom in on the guy.
	Sorry, I know I told you to, but still, just because somebody tells you to be a pervert doesn't mean you should, you know?
	But no, I'm joking, man.
	You're a great guy.
	And I think we, but yeah, I just want to see, because I'm sure this gay pickleball phenoms, because it's a perfect sport.
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	I'm here on the first episode of Just Curious.
	Just Curious.
	What else can we talk about?
	Was there anything else in there?
	What are you doing off this?
	Chilling for a bit?
	Lunch?
	What am I going to do?
	Relax, Sholly.
	Go have sleep.
	Might go get a nap at some point.
	I might hit an AA meeting.
	I go to AA meetings because I'm mentally unwell.
	And then, yeah, hang out with my boys, maybe hit the pool for a bit.
	Yep.
	Get the show tonight.
	What time do you start?
	I go on at 7.40.
	So it starts at 7. Over at the ICC, we got a couple of shows.
	Last night was amazing.
	That place is amazing.
	You've been there?
	Yep.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I mean, you said it.
	They love you here, bro.
	It's just amazing over there.
	And yeah, the people, they don't cheer as much at the end, though, which is interesting.
	Really?
	Yeah, they kind of.
	All right, we had a nice time.
	That's kind of fair.
	I kind of like it.
	It's like, yeah.
	We both came.
	We did ourselves.
	Yeah, but I want them to go crazy for you.
	They definitely are excited, you know.
	Some lady last night left me a love note on the stage.
	Can you read it?
	Let me see if I have it on me.
	Oh, my God.
	Fuck, I don't have it.
	Was it like a love?
	It was a poem, and it was from a woman of Slavic.
	She said she was Slavic, so I think that's Yuviov Slavieva.
	And she said, she had a poem, and then she's, and it said, call me at the bottom, no contact information.
	Okay, awesome.
	Thanks.
	So it's pretty good poem.
	Pretty good poem, though.
	are people allowed to throw like messages to you guys?
	Do you guys get like a...
	And sometimes, yeah, like definitely.
	Someone will try to holler at you, a woman will try to holler at you?
	Yeah, for sure.
	I mean, it's happened, yeah.
	Well, for sure.
	I feel like that's like a normal thing sometimes in sport, though.
	Like, people shoot their shot at their athletes.
	Yeah, that's a good point, huh?
	And has anybody ever tried to write their number on a ball or something and just throwing it out on the court or anything?
	Oh, not like, because it's hard to do it on a ball, but yeah, like that, like love notes, pieces of paper, all that type of stuff.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	People get pretty creative these days.
	I mean, with social media, though.
	It's pretty easy.
	It's pretty easy.
	Yeah, but I'll message a girl back, even if it's a girl that I'm interested in, you know, like I'll be like, oh, maybe, because I don't have a wife yet, you know?
	So I think like, and I travel a lot, so it's hard to like build something.
	I agree.
	You know, and so sometimes I'm like, I would like to meet somebody.
	But then I'll find like the other day a girl messaged me, right?
	And it was just kind of a nice little message.
	So I wrote her back.
	Then she takes our message and puts it on her story.
	Yeah, that's fucked up.
	And so then I'm like, well, now, like, that's just not complaining about, yeah, but it just like was like, no, but fuck now.
	It's like I, but then now you feel like you feel like such a fucking, I didn't say anything messed up.
	Yeah, you were just being nice and just like, but you feel like a creep and now you, and then it makes you like, oh, I'm never messaging anybody.
	Now you get walls up.
	I know that.
	I mean, I've had plenty of times where shit like that's happened.
	And it's like, I feel like, yeah, it's fucked, man.
	I feel sorry for you in that standpoint.
	It would be like 10 times worse for you.
	But that's, that shit's cool.
	Oh, I don't know.
	I think for, but with that, at least I just don't have a company to report to.
	What if you, you know, you have at least like they could say something, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, look, yeah.
	I mean, still, like, today's day and age, what you just message a girl back and then like, well, she posted online for what?
	For a bit of clout.
	I know.
	It just is weird.
	Because then it, because then you're like, oh, we can't even get to know each other.
	But I don't know.
	I guess it just, it is what it is, man.
	I don't want to sound like one of these fucking Guys, that's like complaining about some girl messaging you.
	I know, but like, that's that's why I think if you look at like the rate of relationships failing and stuff, it's because of all that type of stuff.
	Oh, it's horrible!
	Like, it's oh, it's real scary, man.
	Um, yeah, it's just scary.
	There didn't used to be as so many things you would see that would tempt you because temptation, you can't really, you can only fight it so much.
	Like, it's built into you.
	Yeah, you can avoid it.
	Like, to be attracted to it, something else is built into you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't disagree.
	I don't disagree.
	But it used to be like in the old days, like, if you, yeah, you would just go to the grocery market or something, you would see a woman across the thing and you would just, you know.
	I guess now it's a bit more accessible and attainable.
	But yeah, I mean, like that, that makes me angry.
	What you just told me, like, what they should post.
	It made me kind of angry, too.
	Because then it made me like, oh, now I'm never going to message anybody.
	Then my brain starts going, well, now you're never going to fucking meet anyone.
	You fucking queer, you know, or something.
	Yeah, you just got to be.
	It will happen organically.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's what they keep saying right here.
	Yeah.
	Oh, what happened here?
	Ex-inmate who complained who spent too long in jail on Joe Rogan's podcast arrested after police find body parts in Freezer.
	This guy, something Johnson, was it?
	Wait, wait, sorry.
	So, so, wait, so he went to prison?
	He went to prison.
	An ex-convict who claimed to have turned his life around after Joe Rogan's podcast has been arrested and charged with murder.
	Sheldon Johnson, 48, had been on the Joe Rogan experience and discussed his justice reform advocacy in an episode that aired just last month.
	Johnson had previously spent over two decades behind bars after sentence for attempted murder and robbery.
	So he spent two decades.
	And then he got out and then he went on the podcast and they just found this recently.
	Yes.
	And then he just now killed somebody.
	And then just stuck it in the freezer.
	And I think, yeah, at least he put him in the freezer.
	I knew something like that.
	Well, I'm just, what do you do?
	Dude, what are you talking about?
	That is not at least.
	Why is at least at the front of that, bro?
	Yeah, I guess you're right.
	What do you mean at least?
	Well, there's some level of decency.
	I feel like if you just kill someone and leave them out to spoil or whatever, that's fucking horrible.
	You don't think so?
	I just think that person just needs to get put away again.
	Well, yes, I think we can both agree with that, Nicholas.
	I'm just saying that I believe.
	But what happens if you put in the freezer because he wanted to do something to it afterwards?
	Like, that's like sick in the head.
	Well, that's very sick, yes.
	But I think if it's just a level of like, oh, gosh, at least let me do my best by them now.
	By yeah, I would, yeah, I guess you're right.
	I mean, yeah.
	But did he put the whole body in?
	What did he do?
	Let's see what he did at least before we make a judgment.
	This is on, you should search up.
	So some guy, you know, hey, this is on you kind of saying like Australia is being a safe place and whatever.
	So about six months ago, someone came to my house with a gun.
	You searched it up on the internet if you want.
	A gun?
	Yeah, and he robbed my, robbed my, like, he had my mum at gunpoint and stole my car.
	No way.
	I had a Tesla.
	It was a green Tesla.
	Anyway, he stole it.
	And the article came out yesterday.
	So he pled guilty yesterday.
	So if you see there, it's right there.
	And then they found out yesterday that he killed someone 20 years ago.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Fucking crazy.
	So this was, that was my car.
	I don't have it anymore.
	Like he came to my house, stole it with a gun, and then he pled guilty.
	But then like later in the article, it says like that he killed someone 20 years ago.
	A 33-year-old Canberra man has pleaded guilty in the act of Supreme Court to robbery with an offensive weapon over the theft of tennis player Nick Kyrios' Tesla in May last year.
	The man pointed the gun at Miss Kyrios' mother.
	Yeah, it was a pretty scary day, man.
	Oh my God.
	And you weren't there.
	I was in the house.
	Yeah, I was in bed.
	It was Monday morning, 7.45.
	I ran to the door.
	My mom was screaming, and then she was just like saying, he's got a gun.
	He's got a gun.
	I was just like, let's call the police.
	I saw him outside and I was like, holy shit.
	And your mother came inside then?
	Yeah, so she told her to come out and start the car.
	She's like, I don't know how to do it.
	And then she just ran back in, locked the door.
	It was fucking heavy, man.
	Yeah, my girlfriend was there too.
	Dude, that must have been so scary to your freaking mother.
	Yeah, bro.
	It was crazy.
	And then they only found out yesterday that it was the same guy that ran over someone like 20 years ago.
	The 33-year-old was denied bail over the incident and has been in custody since.
	At one point, the men's lawyer tried to have the case thrown out, saying the police had taken too long to hand over their brief of evidence.
	But on Friday, he pleaded guilty to robbery with an offensive weapon.
	That was just on the See, look here.
	Wow, the man responsible for his death is the same man who hit and killed 21-year-old Canberra woman, Clea Rose, in 2005.
	Miss Rose died three weeks after they hit him run.
	The man who was 14 at the time, oh, pleaded guilty to culpable driving, causing death, and was sentenced to 18 months in a youth detention center.
	Wow.
	So he is, he is not.
	Changed.
	Well, he has a lot of issues with automobiles, huh?
	Yeah.
	As well.
	I mean, that's crazy.
	Yeah.
	I wonder what makes him want to do that.
	Yeah, it was just crazy.
	Like, just on the whole thing that just came out yesterday, it's crazy.
	That day was.
	So yesterday, you just found all that out.
	Well, we knew that he was going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, that came out yesterday.
	Like, we knew that he was going to court and stuff.
	How did they convict him?
	How did they know?
	I don't know.
	I guess they just, after more...
	I was like, how did it take like almost seven months to find out that it's the same guy?
	But it was like, anyway, that was a scary morning.
	And it was just on the topic that, you know, Australians are nice.
	That's not me, man.
	Stuff's coming.
	It's everywhere now.
	Is it really getting worse, you think?
	In Australia, yeah, big time.
	Like, I'm from Canberra.
	It's not like a great neighborhood, but it's not like to someone to come on a Monday morning at 7.45 to your doorstep and then just point a gun at your mom's.
	Oh, it sounds very American.
	Sadly, you know?
	I say that sadly, man.
	It's so sad.
	There's a part of me that does not want to go back and feel at risk all the time.
	It's like you always have to protect yourself.
	So it was a bit, it's a bit scary for me.
	And there was another, some guy actually came robbed out another car the other day as well.
	It's getting crazy.
	Scary.
	And guns, but that did that.
	How'd that guy even get a gun?
	yeah, people can get guns.
	Really?
	Yeah, man.
	Yeah.
	Because you always think of like they wouldn't have it.
	Yeah, because you always hear that there's no guns.
	Because you always think about Grand Theft Australia or whatever, and people are just trying to convince each other to get out of the car or whatever.
	That's what I mean.
	Like there was a time where someone having a gun in Australia was like, but now it's like, dude, it happened like six months ago.
	Wild.
	Scary.
	I know.
	And I just wish that people used swords and shit still.
	That'd be pretty hectic.
	So much more fair, though.
	Yeah, I mean, look, yeah.
	It's a, yeah, it's a bit more fair, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You have a sword on you?
	No, I don't have a sword on me, bro.
	I'm not a fighter man.
	Okay, look, I ain't looking.
	I'll tell you that.
	Do you think because you're really locked in, you guys actually have a backhand, right?
	Backhand, forehand, yeah.
	And so do you think when you look at this slap fight?
	What the?
	You think this is something you could get into?
	Dude, this shit's crazy.
	I don't mind this.
	Oh, my God.
	Tattoo's not going to save you at that.
	Yeah, that guy thought, and that's Blackface also, too.
	Can we just say that?
	Oh, that guy's nothing.
	That's flirting.
	You just know, bro.
	Oh, that's Betsy.
	Oh, damn.
	No, this sport's crazy.
	Like, this sport is like.
	Wow.
	This sport's nuts.
	Like, whoa, that guy started in the past.
	So much momentum.
	Oh, this guy's shaking.
	Ooh.
	Oh, this guy's shaking.
	Oh, no.
	I mean, it's pretty crazy, eh?
	But do you think you could do this?
	Because it's built into your body system.
	Yeah, maybe, but I don't know how good I would be at taking the hit, though.
	Like a tennis player, you know, we kind of like hit and maneuver, like very calculated for our next move.
	Where here it's like, you want to throw one, you have to stay put.
	No, I'm not doing that, bro.
	Sorry.
	And also, you're tall.
	So if people feel like we're aiming up, it would just be all, they would really be able to.
	I don't know.
	I don't know the angles and how it affects what's best, you know?
	There's different, like, yeah.
	You got to go sometime, man.
	If you're in the States, dude, I'll take you if there's.
	Yeah, I'll go watch.
	I like Wolverine.
	I like that guy.
	Yeah, bring him up.
	He's dope.
	Wolverine and Toppin, I think his name is.
	T-U-P-P-I-N.
	He's awesome to watch.
	You got to watch him versus Toppin, I think.
	T-U-P-P-I-N.
	I went to one.
	I'm going to one in a couple weeks.
	So crowds are big there, huh?
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's not as big.
	It's pretty small.
	Intimate.
	It's intimate.
	This guy's nuts.
	Wolverine versus Turpin.
	Yeah.
	Light heavyweight match.
	Oh, no.
	The one I didn't see wasn't for the title.
	This dude, Turpin's face.
	Yeah.
	These guys are nuts.
	He knocked out guys a cap of SIG.
	I think he knocked him out.
	Sometimes I think a slap like that would hurt more than a punch.
	Oh, you're right.
	Honestly, sometimes I do think that.
	This guy just watches ready.
	Bang, bang.
	Oh, here we go.
	Dude, he's.
	Oh, look, he's singing the national anthem.
	He's definitely fired up right there.
	Bro, and that guy might even have a chin.
	He's definitely hiding whatever.
	He may have a unique chin under there.
	It's very hard to hit somebody like that.
	Yeah, but.
	And I wonder if you can get down low.
	No, because you can't, because that's called clubbing, I think.
	If you get down low and try and club, I think it has to be a legal slap because the thing about legal slaps, how you throw it.
	And then if someone flinches, they get to slap again.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's heaps of all these rules.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	What if someone just screams like a little girl?
	That's what I would worry that what happens.
	I would do it.
	I don't care.
	Oh, I would do that first.
	So at least if you get hit after, it would be like, well, I'd be like, and then just get fucking drilled.
	Can you bring up what are the rules of PowerSlap?
	It's a great question.
	Yeah, PowerSlap is nuts.
	Yeah, I went one time and like there was Cowboy Cerrone was there, Sean Strickland.
	It's definitely a lot of like influencer entertainers.
	A lot of Dana White's friends are there.
	It's very much like a friendly thing.
	Who strikes first in PowerSlap?
	A coin toss or seeding method will determine who gets to elect the slap or defend first.
	The clock, you have 30 seconds to slap, 30 seconds to recover, repeat.
	Wow.
	Bro, that is a short amount of time.
	30 seconds, yeah.
	That's quick.
	Weight classes are consistent with MMA, so there is a weight class.
	I didn't realize that.
	Rounds, the number of rounds depends on the format with the minimum being three.
	In each round, both competitors have the opportunity to deliver a single strike to their opponent's face and the obligation to receive their opponent's strike in return.
	Method of victory, KO, TKO, and points.
	Like boxing in MMA, PowerSlap judging is based on a 10-point must system with a round winner scoring 10 points and the opponent scoring 9 or fewer.
	Wow.
	So Dana White owns this as well, right?
	Yes.
	It's pretty crazy.
	Yeah.
	And this is, according to Dana, one of the most viral things that happens when it happens.
	Fouls, striker fouls include clubbing.
	They're clubbing.
	Stepping.
	So I guess that'd be making an actual step with your foot.
	Illegal wind up.
	Oh, I would be way guilty of that.
	And delay of game.
	Lynching, blocking, delay of game.
	Wow.
	The complete power side rules that we posted shortly.
	Huh.
	Pretty cool.
	Yeah, that's crazy, man.
	You think you could do it?
	No.
	I don't think like I don't.
	Getting hit.
	No.
	Not your thing?
	No.
	What is one of the scariest moments in a tennis match?
	Are there moments where you find like, because I'm sure so much of it is rhythm.
	You've done it so much, right?
	Yep.
	Is there moments where you feel out of rhythm and you're like, fuck, this is a like.
	Yeah, big time.
	Like at US Open, I was playing quarterfinals US Open and I was like US Open, Arthur Ash Stadium is one of the biggest stadiums in the world for tennis.
	Like it's literally, you walk to the back of the court, you look up, it's like a sea of people just like staring down at you and it's really loud and you got celebrities there like Michael Jordan was there once.
	pretty lit.
	Like, it's, it's a surreal feeling walking out to a court like that in front of like 60,000 and then you get like millions of people watching around the world.
	But it's like, yeah, if you're playing horrible, like, and you know, deep down, if you're not having a good day, like on court and you can't fix it because it's like, you can't just like instantly fix it.
	You got to be like, shit, I can't just sub off here or pause the game or take a time out.
	It's like the game just keeps going.
	You've got to just problem solve, like on the go.
	It's fucking hard.
	And is it possible to turn it around in a match?
	Is it possible?
	Yes, because in a Grand Slam, it's like you have to win three sets.
	So even if you lose the first two, you have time to figure it out and turn it around, but it's fucking hard.
	It's why Novak and Federer and Nadal have been so dominant for so long, because in the Grand Slam, it's so hard to get on top of them for that long.
	Like, pause.
	Like, you can get on, you might, you might win a set or two.
	Like, that's like two hours, but then they'll eventually start figuring you out.
	And it's just like.
	And is there actual coaching that helps?
	Or is it just at that point you know what's going on?
	Everyone knows everyone's strengths and weaknesses.
	It's just about execution at that point.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Like, when you're out there alone, like, your coach can yell something out, but if you can't execute, it's not going to happen.
	Yeah.
	It's a pretty, it's, it's, it's a brutal sport, man.
	Is it?
	I don't think people give it enough credit, especially at the top.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what I, yeah, because it to stay that long, four hours of doing any, who does anything, you know, unless you're like just doing something.
	That's such a commitment.
	And that you have to be mentally locked in, too.
	Like, are there ever points you just zoned out?
	Yeah.
	Sometimes I just throw a game or a set, like, just to mentally reset for sure, definitely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So that's almost part of the strategy too.
	You're like.
	Yeah, it's like boxing.
	Like you put your hands down for a little bit, like, or, you know, just taking a little bit of a pause.
	People, I've been accused of like not trying or like, it's called tanking, you know, just giving the opponent easy points.
	And it's just like, I'm just trying to compose myself to go again.
	Right.
	It's like if a boxer does it, you wouldn't accuse him of just like not trying.
	It's just a tactic, you know?
	It's hard.
	Yeah, man.
	Damn, I never realized that.
	I never even thought about it.
	I never even thought about what it would be like to be out there for so long.
	Yeah.
	And then if you're not doing well, then too, how do you even keep going?
	Yeah.
	You got to have a short-term memory loss or you have to be a good loser in tennis because you lose every week.
	Essentially, like you have to win six matches to win a tournament.
	And Novak, these greatest of all time are usually winning these tournaments.
	So like you win, then you got to lose and you just reset next week, new country.
	Like losing is just part of the process, really.
	Yeah.
	Which is hard.
	And is there much camaraderie amongst the players and stuff?
	Or do you get to...
	Like you eat separately.
	Like tennis, you're all in one locker room.
	Like I'm showering and I'm eating and I'm spending time with my opponent before going out there and playing.
	No.
	Yeah.
	And then we like you might be out there four hours playing and then you're just like next to each other again straight after the match.
	No.
	Fucking crazy.
	Oh, is that so is sometimes that really uncomfortable?
	You're like, I do not want to be around this person anymore.
	Like we just competed and we could get into a bit of a like a scuffle on the court or like an argument and then you're like sharing next to the guy.
	It's like, the fuck is this?
	Yeah.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah.
	Like Wimbledon final, me and Novak in the same locker room, like right next to each other.
	And then we're walking out together, eating together, and then we play.
	Like the final.
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Why would they, they should film all of that.
	Why isn't that the first three sets, dude?
	Yeah.
	You guys just, you know, having soup next to each other to say angrily.
	Yeah.
	I'll see why that isn't the first.
	Yep.
	Oh, it's so intense.
	Yep.
	What's in any other news?
	Anything else that popped up that was in our list, man?
	And we'll get you out of here, Nick.
	Easy, brother.
	This is about AI.
	Jensen Huang, who I'm going to assume is...
	Aesien.
	At the recent world government summit in Dubai, NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang made a counterintuitive break with what he thinks is a long tradition of tech CEOs advising youngsters to learn how to code.
	Huang argued that even at this early stage of the artificial intelligence revolution, programming is no longer a vital skill.
	With coding taken care of by AI, humans can instead focus on more valuable expertise like biology, education, manufacturing, or farming.
	Wow.
	I agree with it.
	You do?
	Yeah, because it's like anything you leave down to like computers and AI, it's something to do with numbers for sure.
	It'd get done probably way more, like 10 times more accurate and done in the shorter period of time.
	But here's one thing that's interesting about AI is like, if they can program the back end of AI, right?
	Then they'll be able to start to dictate like what even is created or written and what history is in it.
	Like I say if they only put a certain history in AI and they only say one side of history or they don't, you know, then if you're even writing a paper and you want to use AI to help you or a script or creating a piece of art, the information it's going to give back, that's what I start to worry.
	Because like imagine if you wrote a note to somebody, but the paper determined what you could actually say in the note.
	Yeah, like you had limitations.
	It had to be one way.
	Right.
	The paper wouldn't let you put certain words.
	You wrote certain words, they disappeared, and they replaced it with another word that the paper felt like was more accurate.
	That's arguably what the media is right now, though.
	Oh, 100%.
	That's exactly what the media is.
	But I think, yeah, I agree.
	But if this, if AI can do that, they'll control.
	Then it's like even say some of your mom wanted to make a post on Facebook or something.
	They put it up, but it only allows you to even say.
	So then we're all just only allowed to say the same things, you know?
	And look, AI would never be able to take over, say, like podcasting or sport and stuff because people watch that because of the personalities and the unknown outcome.
	That's a good point.
	Right.
	So we're safe.
	Yeah, you would think.
	Yeah, we're safe.
	I think we're safe.
	You would think.
	One of my friends was saying The other day, that he thinks like at a certain point, they won't even need actors for movies anymore because it will just be the likeness of people.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, people will just give their likeness.
	Yeah, that's that's pretty crazy.
	It is crazy.
	That's what gets pissed off because what if one day you just get to sit at home and then it's just like a and see how you do at the U.S. Open?
	Yeah, that would be crazy.
	Like, they extract yourself from you, but you just kind of just watch.
	Yeah, that honestly, I wouldn't mind a fucking day off.
	I feel you, bro.
	You know, like, I actually wouldn't mind that, having that option.
	Yeah.
	You know, yeah, like, you know what?
	I'm going to put my AI in today and see how he does.
	And I'm okay if it comes back and it's a loss.
	I don't give a shit.
	That would be good.
	Bro, that would be so good.
	Yeah.
	I'll do it.
	Autopilot.
	Dude, it'd be so nice.
	Yeah.
	But then it sucks, though, for like a farmer who's like, I'm going to send my AI to work.
	And then it's just, you know, nothing gets watered.
	Just no corn.
	Nick, man, thanks so much for hanging out, bro.
	Appreciate it, man.
	It was good.
	I appreciate it, dude.
	Yeah.
	I would love to.
	Yeah.
	I got to come see a match, man.
	100%.
	Definitely.
	It's definitely.
	I wish I could come to your show tonight.
	I've got a double date with my girlfriend.
	Oh, which I'm really looking forward to.
	I just want to, you know.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Mrs. I just would love to come.
	Oh, that's all right, man.
	That'd be good.
	We'll get you to another one sometime, man.
	Oh, yeah.
	But yeah, thanks for, yeah, just thanks, man.
	It's cool.
	Yeah, it makes me care a little bit more about tennis now.
	It's interesting.
	You meet somebody and then you're like, oh, I want to learn more about tennis.
	You know, it's funny sometimes like the power of an actual person to introduce somebody to something new.
	Definitely.
	You know, it's really real.
	Your podcast as well?
	Yeah, good trouble.
	Season one, four episodes have come out.
	Nice.
	Yeah, it's good, man.
	I mean, I do it because I'm actually like I'm passionate about learning about like others' journey.
	And it's been pretty good, man.
	Like speaking to, and these are the people that I look up to.
	And like with me, I got massive imposter syndrome.
	Like I see you all over social media now.
	I'm like sitting next to you having a conversation.
	That shit blows my mind.
	But talking like Gordon Ramsey about his culinary journey.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's fucking crazy.
	Like he was saying some pretty cool stuff.
	And it's cool.
	Yeah, imposter syndrome is so real, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's nuts.
	People like, you've got like other people saying like, oh, a sign of an insecure person is imposter syndrome.
	So usually the people that haven't really been there or doing anything.
	Yeah.
	You know, like, it's so real that like I'm like, I'm from Canberra and I'm sitting next to Thervon.
	It's crazy.
	Well, it's crazy for me that I'm sitting next to somebody who's who's been at Wambledon, you know?
	Oh, did you see Stonehenge when you went over there?
	Nah, bro, bro.
	I was there.
	I made the final.
	I had nothing else to do for 40. I was there for like 20 days, bro.
	Just like playing, eating, sleeping, physiotherapy, massage, sleep.
	Wow.
	That's it.
	Like, I had maybe went out for dinner a little bit, but my dad was there.
	I was very lucky was cooking, but no time to do anything else.
	Dude, Stonehenge, go see it if you get a chance.
	I think it only takes, I don't know how long because I don't know where it is, but you can go there.
	It's like they make it.
	I remember in school, it was like a big deal.
	Do you remember that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Bro, it's fucking, it's just some rocks on the side of the interstate, man, on the side of the highway.
	Like, they don't care at all.
	It's like you just drive by it.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Like, they made such a big deal about it in the U.S. But, but I went there.
	Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, whatever.
	Nick Kirios, thank you so much, man.
	Best of luck, man.
	When are you going to be back at tennis, do you think?
	About one month.
	Really?
	Oh, very soon, yeah.
	Yep.
	Wow.
	Yeah, we're going to get you out there.
	Yeah, dude.
	So where do you live in the States?
	Texas, right?
	I live in, yeah, sure.
	I live in Texas.
	I live in Tennessee.
	Tennessee.
	But I've thought about moving down to Texas, man.
	I think about it sometimes.
	It's a cool place.
	Yeah.
	Well, come to New York.
	Come to the U.S. Open.
	Yeah, I would love to, man.
	I got to go.
	I've never been.
	Yeah, you would love it because you actually can have a drink and drink, but you can just be loud.
	Who knows?
	Yeah, who knows if I'll be drinking by then, but probably not.
	But if I do, I'll fucking have one right there.
	100%.
	I'll get fucking ridiculous in there.
	I'm down.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right, Nick.
	Thanks, man.
	Appreciate that.
	All right, Chisbrov.
	Enjoy.
	Good luck for tonight, eh?
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	Now, I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
	I must be cornerstone.
	Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found.
	I can feel it in my bones.

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