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Feb. 24, 2022 - This Past Weekend - Theo Von

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E380 Brandon Moreno

Brandon Moreno is a Mexican mixed martial artist who currently competes in the flyweight division of the UFC. He is a former UFC Flyweight Champion, and the first Mexican-born fighter to win a UFC championship. Brandon Moreno sits down with Theo to talk about all things Tijuana, the real mindset of a champion, Moreno vs Figueiredo 4, chupacabras, La Bamba, and Theo’s quest to be bonafide Mexican. -------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://theovonstore.com Podcastville mugs and prints available now at https://theovon.pixels.com -------------------------------------------------- Support our Sponsors: BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/THEO Get 10% off your first month Manscaped: https://manscaped.com Get 20% off + free shipping with code THEO The Zebra: https://thezebra.com/THEO Get your free quote today BlueChew: https://bluechew.com Get your first month free with promo code THEO -------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine”, by Bishop Gunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A_coTcUek -------------------------------------------------- Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: http://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 -------------------------------------------------- Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips -------------------------------------------------- Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Producer: Ari https://www.instagram.com/arimannis/?hl=en See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	Today's guest is the first Mexican-born fighter to win a UFC championship.
	He's a warrior.
	And I'm inspired anytime I get to sit down with any of these fighters.
	I just feel inspired.
	I feel inspired, as I'm sure a lot of you guys do.
	Today's guest is out of the flyweight division.
	He's the pride of Tijuana, Mexico.
	And I'm very grateful for his time.
	He is beloved.
	And I'm going to get to know him a little bit better.
	Mr. Brandon Moreno.
	For me to set that parking brake and let myself unwind.
	Shine that light on me.
	I'll sit and tell you my stories.
	Shine on me.
	And I will find a song I've been singing just before.
	And I'll be moving way too fast.
	Yeah, I think I would like to maybe be Mexican, I think.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Do it.
	It's the best.
	Man, do it.
	Is it hard?
	What?
	To be Mexican?
	Depends.
	Come on.
	You know, because, I mean, we can talk about it in, I don't know, about this, but my father's, my parents, they were very poor.
	Yeah.
	Poor.
	But they start to work hard, man.
	And I had a nice life.
	So I don't have any necessities in my life.
	My parents was another whole different history, man.
	It was different, huh?
	Yeah.
	And so to me, it was like, oh, I don't have any necessities.
	Everything was easy.
	Oh, for you, it was easy, but for them, it was different.
	And that life is for the most part of the people in Nazi because a third world country, man, it's hard.
	Yes, tough, huh?
	Yeah.
	I wish, I think, dude, no joke, when I get up in the morning, sometimes I freaking clap for Mexican people because I think that they, if it weren't for Mexican people, America would be, nobody would be doing any.
	I feel like Mexican people keep this country going.
	Man, I mean, I have one year living here, man.
	And I can see a lot of Mexican people like working hard, man.
	Hard working.
	Like, man, these guys, all these guys are doing their job, right?
	Just to.
	And it's everywhere, all across the country.
	It's like that, man.
	I think if it weren't for Mexican people, I don't know where, I don't know what America would be, you know?
	Yeah.
	You guys are like the real, like the rabitos, you know?
	What is that?
	Oh, I don't know.
	I don't know what is that, man.
	It's like, you know, the animal with the ears at Easter.
	Oh, rabbits.
	Rabbits, yes.
	Rabbits.
	Yeah, you guys are the rabbits, man.
	Anyway, thanks for being here, man.
	Oh, we started already.
	Okay.
	We started, man.
	But yeah, I think when I die, I would like to come back and be Mexican next time.
	Because it seems also a lot of romance.
	It's more romantic.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, we were talking about this before, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I feel like the Latin culture is like more with more happiness and everything.
	Yeah.
	That's awesome.
	Other cultures, they have their own fun in life.
	But I don't know, the Latin culture has a lot of traditions, a lot of amazing food, this mix of cultures.
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm so happy and I'm so proud to be Mexican and be a Latino.
	Yeah.
	Dang, dude.
	I wish next time I'm going to be 100% Latino.
	Where did you say your father?
	My father's from Nicaragua.
	Okay.
	But he didn't really, he just, he talked Spanish with his friends, but he never taught me, you know, but I didn't.
	I don't understand why.
	I mean, for example, I have my nephews, sorry, my cousins.
	Yeah.
	They speak both language because in their house it was like outside the school you can speak English all the time, but in the house you need to speak Spanish.
	If not, I don't understand nothing.
	Oh, really?
	And I'm trying to do the same with my daughter, man, because again, we have one year living here in Vegas.
	And my daughter, she's eight years.
	Oh, nice.
	Congratulations.
	She went to school last year.
	Obviously, the pandemic was crazy and everything.
	But she started to go to the school.
	And I can see more confidence when she tried to speak English.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And I talked with her before, like, hey, in the moment when I can see you can speak good English, you need to stop the English here in the house.
	Never.
	I don't want to hear any English word here because just Spanish in the house.
	Man, it's more opportunities.
	You know, it's true language, it's your culture.
	I mean, she born in Hammett in California.
	But lives on seven years living in Tijuana.
	So she's just Mexican.
	Oh, she's Mexican, man.
	Yeah, yeah, dude.
	But we're glad to have her over here, even for a year, man.
	Do you, now that you've really become such a star, you know, in a lot of ways, a lot of people, people love you.
	I was talking with someone about you, about the fights, and they'd just gone to your last fight, which was in California, right?
	It was in Anaheim.
	And they said when you came out, it was the loudest they'd heard since Conor McGregor.
	Man, that's awesome.
	I mean, that's cool.
	I feel you're like the Mexican corner.
	Thank you, man.
	So I feel like the people can connect better with my history.
	Oh, with your history.
	You know, yeah, I mean, with you, with my, with my, the way I am with the people.
	And I don't know, I always say the same, but for example, the history of Havif, this guy, undefeated, an amazing, like a wrestling god and everything, right?
	An amazing and perfect record.
	But I mean, my history is more like the history of the people.
	Yeah.
	When you fall.
	And you come back.
	Yeah.
	And that's like the people can identify more that history by himself than other ones.
	Like, hey, I mean, it's the same.
	I won every time.
	Yeah.
	As opposed to I've lost and won and lost and won.
	And obviously, I mean, I'm just trying to be happy and enjoy my job and, you know, be very kind with the people.
	And that's it, man.
	It's crazy how I can connect with the people because I don't need to say stupid things in the social media or the trash talk or something like that.
	I love it, man.
	Because I hate that.
	To me, it's very boring when some guy tries to do the trash tile in social media in a press conference.
	Like, man, I saw that before, man.
	Right?
	Nothing new.
	It's not you.
	And it doesn't, well, I guess it doesn't fit you.
	Some guys, it fits.
	Some guys can trash talk and it just fits their character.
	But I don't know if it probably wouldn't fit your character.
	You don't think?
	Yeah, I mean, and I say this, like, hey, man, if you watch me mad in some place in a press conference with somebody, it's because I'm really mad with the guys.
	It's real, man.
	Right, right, right.
	Yeah, you're not faking it.
	Do you go, is it, is it, because Tijuana is a third world country, or Mexico is a third world country, is it scary to go back to Tijuana?
	Do you get scared since you're more popular now?
	Do you have any more fear?
	Is that, is that, And nothing against the Mexican people.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I mean, I'm very open when we talk about Tijuana because I know the good and the bad things, man.
	I love Tijuana.
	I love the city.
	I love Mexico, the country.
	We have an amazing things, the culture, the tradition, the food, my goodness, the food, man.
	The ladies, bro.
	The ladies, the people, whatever you want.
	The auxiliates.
	What?
	The avocate.
	Avocates?
	Avocado?
	I love avocado.
	Oh, brother.
	The green gold.
	I love them.
	But at the same time, I understand the bad things, you know, the narco-traffic, the violence.
	It's a dangerous place too.
	I understand that.
	But when I go to Mexico, I'm not really a scared, man, because I lived there all my life.
	Like 27 years I've been there, like getting an amazing time there, training, meeting people and everything.
	Sometimes I think about maybe my family.
	You never know.
	That is more scared for me.
	To me, because right now I'm living in Vegas, but my parents live in Tijuana.
	My brothers live in Tijuana.
	Kidnapping people take people there sometimes.
	So, for example, when some channel asked me for an interview for my father, seeing it, like, I don't like to get involved in all of this because put them in the situation.
	Exactly.
	It could be dangerous.
	Yeah, maybe.
	You never know, man.
	So I prefer to put everything out of the conversation and just be me.
	If you want an interview and get an interview for me, I can do it, man.
	Even with that, I mean, they had a few interviews.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do they, do you, did you ever get approached by like any drug people or anything after you become like a real success?
	Does the cartel come for you to get you to be their guy or anything?
	Oh, man.
	I mean, no.
	Thanks God.
	Because people like Arnold Julio Sarchavez.
	Yeah.
	He, he...
	He talked about histories like, man, so the narcotraffing came with me, you know, because they love boxing too.
	And they start to come with me and hey, Congress champs.
	That's dangerous.
	And actually, that's why Julio Sarchavez started to involve with the drugs and everything and start to have problems with that.
	But you don't see that for me.
	Not right now.
	And I'm so happy about it.
	I'm glad, you know?
	And at the same time, I think I'm very smart in that area.
	I don't smoke nothing.
	I don't eat nothing bad.
	I don't drink alcohol or smoke cigars and everything in my life.
	Really?
	I feel like I'm very smart in that area.
	I had a really nice people around me in all my life to teach me really good things about all of the success.
	a lot of good role models, a lot of good role models, definitely.
	So, yeah, I mean, I feel like I can do it.
	You can handle it.
	I can handle it.
	It's not going to happen to you, probably.
	That situation.
	I mean, you never know.
	I never, I'm not going to be a kingpin.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Yeah.
	You want to get a tuxedo?
	Yeah.
	I don't think so.
	You could, man.
	You could.
	You could be like kind of like a James Bond but of drugs, you know?
	No.
	I like to wear nice.
	Dress or wear?
	What do you say?
	Let me think.
	I would say put on.
	You put on something nice, dressed nice.
	I mean, I like it, but even when I dress, I wear like suits or something.
	I like to wear something very relaxed, very normal, just to look elegant, and that's it.
	Did you guys do something for Valentine's?
	Did y'all go out?
	Do you celebrate Valentine's Day?
	Sometimes.
	I have almost 11 years with my wife.
	Wow.
	Yeah, she was with me since when I had nothing, man.
	That's cool.
	Where did you meet her?
	In Tijuana.
	She born in Tejas, in Texas.
	So she was born American person.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But she lives all her life in Tamulipas.
	It's the border.
	Oh, really?
	So she's Mexican.
	Yeah.
	But she went to Tijuana with her sister.
	So I meet her there.
	She went to the gym, actually.
	Oh, really?
	You met her at the gym?
	Yeah.
	Did you go talk to her or she come talk to you?
	Both.
	I think so.
	I don't remember.
	No, but both.
	And then when she started to talk with me, I'm just trying to get fun with everybody.
	So I start to make jokes with her.
	And then we start to talk more and more.
	And you took her out?
	On the date then?
	You asked her out?
	Yeah, and you know, talk more and more and more.
	And now we have three daughters.
	A lot of talking.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But yeah, I mean, I forget what God was talking.
	Oh, it's okay.
	Oh, I was asking about Valentine's.
	Oh, the Valentine.
	But yeah, so sometimes just, for example, this last Valentine, she needed to go to Tijuana.
	And so she went to Tijuana.
	She was there.
	I was taking care of the babies because right now I'm not trained very, very hard yet because I don't have a fight coming soon.
	Okay.
	An official fight.
	So yeah, I was in the house.
	But other years, we try to do something.
	So sometimes you have to just be the dad at home with the kids?
	Actually, after a fight, I'm trying to spend more time with my daughters.
	Because imagine my regular days is like all day in the gym.
	I have like five hours just training.
	Maybe not straight five hours.
	Between sessions, I have some rest and then at the other practice.
	So yeah, I don't have too much time for my kids because when I finish my day, I try to go to my house and spend some time with my family.
	But obviously, I'm so tired.
	I'm hungry.
	Or maybe I'm diet because I have the fight.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's a lot of different things going on where you're not can be just very present.
	Exactly.
	So when I finished the training camp and I finished the fight, two or three weeks I tried to spend a really good, good time with my family.
	It's very important for me, man.
	Yeah.
	And do you take your family to Tijuana?
	Do you guys go back over there much or no?
	Yeah.
	Like one per month.
	We go to Tijuana and we see my parents and everything.
	When you were growing up over there, was it exciting?
	Was it dangerous?
	I just think Tijuana seemed like so much adventure and things happening all at the same time.
	Was it like that or what was it like?
	I would say the same, man.
	I mean, if you want to find problems, you will, man.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	Sometimes I like some problems, you know?
	I don't know.
	Maybe I like American problems.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Actually, it's funny when the American people say like, oh, I'm the American cancer.
	Like, okay, don't say that in Mexico, please.
	Because that is serious.
	Because somebody will see if you really are.
	Yeah, so, but man, when I was a kid and I was growing up there in Tijuana, I was going to the school and then going to the gym.
	I had, you know, a few friends, but I never, like, every single weekend going to the nightclub or something like that.
	It was like just being myself, going to the gym, to the school, and doing my stuff.
	And that's it.
	So I never find real problems.
	That's why when a lot of people ask me, like, hey, is really dangerous?
	Yeah, like, man, I'm not the guy.
	Yeah, somebody else is, huh?
	And they need to get more big people to Mexico.
	I know we kind of were...
	Y'all got to get some big...
	Like what?
	Like, what is that?
	Like the biggest, most grande Mexicano, senor.
	Or Chica.
	Talking about fame or what?
	No, no, no, no.
	Like.
	Paul?
	Distance, yeah.
	Oh, I mean, you can find big people there, definitely.
	And they hide them, uh-huh.
	Yeah, but it's not normal.
	The regular head of the Mexican people is like five eight, five, seven, even less.
	Wow.
	Yeah, that's why all the famous Mexican boxers are in the small weights.
	Yeah.
	Because we are small.
	And it's fine.
	That's okay.
	Yeah, you're doing great.
	You're doing great.
	Is there an ethnicity that's the hardest to fight that you have found?
	Because your division has...
	I guess your division doesn't have a lot of white guys in it, huh?
	It's more...
	I don't know.
	Do you think one ethnicity is tougher than over your time, have you noticed?
	Good question, man.
	Actually, I'm thinking about the white guys in my division.
	White guys in my division, maybe no.
	Damn, we need some diversity in there, huh?
	I know.
	Just you know, Afro-American people and guys from Brazil.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe the ethnicity, you know?
	I mean, someday, I don't remember who said, like, hey, one day the Mexican people will dominate all the small divisions.
	You never know.
	We are working in managed martial arts in Mexico, in the country.
	But right now, I'm the only one in the flyways.
	A few new ones are coming.
	Yeah.
	But right now, in like the biggest...
	Yeah.
	Did you ever see that movie La Bamba?
	Did you see it?
	La Bamba?
	Yeah.
	Of course, man.
	It's good.
	I don't know.
	Remember that part?
	Man, I don't remember the last time I watched the movie.
	But when I was a kid, I don't have cable to watch other kind of movies.
	Yeah.
	So it was like the free television.
	I don't know how you say it.
	the free channels Okay.
	And one channel was like a very popular movie.
	Every single weekend, they put La Bamba.
	Every single weekend.
	I just watched it like a couple of maybe three months ago.
	It's good, man.
	It's sad, though.
	It's very Chicano culture, right?
	Yeah.
	It's nice.
	Yeah, I think so.
	So is there a favorite Mexican movie that you watched growing up?
	Nah, no, no, no.
	Of course no.
	Favorite Mexican movie It's just because I was I was watching the real Mexican theater like movies from Mexican actors and everything so it's different it's different it's it's different and sometimes the American people put the the Chicano culture like the the main one right and that is it's not it's not true and yeah I mean they have like a lot of different
	things about Mexico like the food and that stuff like taco vel or something like this it's not true they do a bad I see they do a bad job the translation is not good yeah I love La Bamba La Bamba is nice I mean I'm not saying this is a bad movie it's it's a nice movie and they have like despec I like uh despacable me despacable me despocabumi yeah yeah you like it is with the minions and others yeah it's good my my my my daughters love
	minions oh I love minions they're funny man and they were sometimes uh some Filipino people remind me of minions a little bit because they're happy and they just keep going you know maybe maybe I don't know but my daughters love minions man it's a nice movie yeah it's good how do you say dispeca despecable me in Spanish oh man I forget I forget how me too I never knew actually but
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	uh when it comes to the so with fighting when it comes to the figure figure figure figureiro figuerero figure jesus fucking christ figure it out huh guy before you give it up every episode it changes the name you switch into letters man the guy is cheating and then letters man um but do you guys think you can do Is it possible for one of you to knock the other one out, or it's not possible, you think?
	Honestly, after this, after this much experience, man, I don't know.
	Because, I mean, before or reality, I mean, Federer was like, like, oh, thank you, man.
	So, before reality, he was like knocking out every single fighter in the roster.
	And he was doing a very great job doing that.
	Yeah.
	But with me, I mean, he hit me with his best punches.
	Do you think either one of you can knock the other?
	Do you think you can knock him out?
	Because you guys can, obviously, you can both find a way to win.
	But is it possible, I wonder?
	Because you guys, too, I mean, the possibility is always there, man.
	You know, talking about myself, I know I don't have that kind of power to knock one people out with like cold.
	I know that.
	You can work in the gym, you know?
	You can work in your extension conditioning.
	You can work with your exposivity.
	You can work with your technique and your precision.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I try to work in that like every single time in the gym, right?
	But I know I don't bore with that fucking superpower to knock the game.
	To just engage you.
	And that is like...
	Fidel more with that power.
	But, I mean, I don't have that superpower, but I have another one.
	Yeah.
	I have a nice chin, man.
	Yeah.
	That extra chin, huh?
	Yes, I mean...
	A family member has it too?
	I don't know because my family doesn't have a history of sports.
	Wow.
	They never play like soccer.
	It's a regular sport in Mexico.
	So they never play soccer or they never play nothing, man.
	I'm the first one.
	You're like a surprise, huh?
	Yeah.
	You know, and then my brother start to do a mixed martial arts too.
	And he's a professional too, but it's like not like a real job for him.
	It's just like he go to the gym and do the exercise and everything.
	And if he has the opportunity to fight, he do it.
	If not, it's like, oh, okay.
	Right.
	It's a hobby.
	It's a hobby for him.
	So yes, man, again, I don't know.
	I have a nice chin.
	He hit me with his best punches.
	In both of you guys.
	I got hurt one time.
	I was watching.
	Man, last five.
	Man, last fight, I can recognize.
	He throw me his best punch in the third round.
	And he was like a little flashbone, but I was fine.
	So, man, the possibility to the knockout is always there, always, because a good punch is a good punch.
	But maybe you guys can't do it, maybe.
	Man, we have something mystic between us.
	I don't like the, I mean, the guy is a horrible person, but.
	Yeah, do you think he has the same, because his energy is different than yours?
	That's why, that's why.
	I mean, right now, I mean, to me, this revallery is in the Hall of Fame of the GFC right now.
	Easily.
	Oh, yeah.
	Do you think that, but where does it go from here?
	Because it's like if there's nowhere really for you to go, like you guys could...
	I could do it.
	UFC 400.
	You guys are coming out there like this.
	Moreno against Figuereo, 50. I don't know, man.
	I can do it.
	I don't care.
	Man, it's not personal.
	It's for me, man.
	I just want the title, man.
	I just want to be the best.
	But do you already feel one?
	Now, once you win, because the title can only be with somebody for a little while, you know.
	I remember when Dustin Poirier won the interim title and I went over to his house and he had the belt there and it was crazy.
	It was so cool, you know?
	But everybody kind of, the title kind of just comes and goes, you know, like nobody really gets to keep it forever.
	Maybe Khabib retired with it and some guys do.
	Is that still like the biggest goal?
	Or do your goals kind of shift once you're at this, because you're kind of in this space where there's nowhere really to, you know, it's just you guys right there.
	Does your goals shift now?
	Like, do you have a different goal?
	Do you have a different goal than maybe you did two years ago?
	And if so, what is it?
	Because, I mean, my goal is to be the best.
	Yeah.
	You know, and if I have the veil, the people can recognize who is the best.
	Right?
	But to me, yeah, I mean, it's easy to me.
	It's not the belt.
	It's just why I have that belt.
	You understand that?
	Because I can see a lot of champions, and it's fine.
	I mean, I don't have nothing against those guys.
	I mean, it's fine.
	I understand because they feel very proud.
	But a lot of champions, they want the title, and it's like, oh, I want to take pictures every single day with my bell.
	And I go to every single interview with the bell.
	You know?
	Yeah, yeah, dude.
	Yeah, I feel you.
	That's not true.
	Because they love the people sometimes, they love souvenirs.
	They love trophies.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Man, to me, it's funny because I remember when I won the belt, well, okay, Helga Bell is nice, it's pretty.
	But I went to my house, like, I live in my couch, like there.
	And then my wife came with me and said, like, hey, you need to put the belt in a nice place.
	Come on.
	Oh, I thought she'd be yelling at you, like, get your belt out the living room, you know?
	Like, get your shoes off the couch.
	I could do it later.
	It's heavy, too, the belt, huh?
	Oh, it's heavy.
	Jesus Christ, give them a lighter belt because you just fought the whole time.
	Now you got to carry this heavy belt out of the room.
	Man, imagine that.
	I mean, the people, because sometimes I need to go with some with some sponsor to do something, and they want to bring the veil.
	That's a sixth round Right there, man.
	Or they want the photo shoot with the veil, and the veil is so heavy.
	Like, man, I don't like this pink.
	You want the veil?
	Take it.
	I don't care.
	But I mean, so for what is the goal still?
	Oh, because if you have the belt, then people know who the champion is.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Yeah.
	You know, and I know I'm always asking the same because if the people ask me, like, hey, where's your belt?
	Yeah.
	First of all, I'm not with the belt all the time.
	I'm not with the bell in my car.
	And second one, with, I mean, in that moment, with belt or with not, without belt, do you know who is the champion, right?
	Like, oh yes, like, that's it.
	But once you become a champion, don't you feel like at a certain point you're qualified to always be a champion, though?
	I work like a champion every day, at least.
	It's a good attitude.
	It's a good point.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Because sometimes people talking about me, I mean, I'm very obsessive.
	Are you?
	I feel like sometimes it's not enough.
	Even when I know I'm working so hard and I feel so tired, I go to my bed thinking like, maybe I need to work a little bit more.
	Actually, the success people work so hard and they don't work so hard.
	Oh, they don't think they work so hard.
	That's interesting.
	At the same time, obviously the depression and everything, you need to work with that, with your mind, because this is an important thing.
	More in this sport because Julie is always with a lot of stress.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	I think I work all the time and other people are like, man, you work so hard.
	You're doing so well.
	But me, I don't really see it like that.
	Man, yes, man.
	Sometimes a lot of people say me like, hey, you need to rest.
	Like, man, I don't know what you are talking about.
	I mean, I need to do more.
	But at the same time, my body says like, no, you can't.
	Like, I have this battlefield in my mind always.
	Yeah.
	It's tough to manage sometimes.
	I bet at least having a family and stuff gets you out of your own head and keeps you.
	Of course.
	I mean, I was talking with you about my time with my family after practice, when my day is finished my day.
	Yeah.
	And I know maybe the time is not the best because I'm tired and I can play like two hours with my daughter.
	You don't have neck brace.
	You can't even do nothing.
	At least I'm trying.
	And you know, I spend time with my family.
	It's nice, you know, because my daughters are, they are very funny.
	My big daughter, she's doing like...
	She's in the school.
	Yeah.
	And she's doing Yu-Jitsu.
	She tagged this.
	Yeah, and she's one-strip degree.
	Oh, she's one-stripe?
	She's white belt.
	One-stripe.
	Oh, Iwali, yeah.
	Same level.
	Yeah, same.
	I'm a one-stripe white belt, man.
	But I'm still, I go like five times a week, but I'm one-stripe white belt right now.
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, but that time with my family distracts me to my realities.
	We actually have a question.
	We got some questions that came in, and usually we have television monitors, but since we're not at the studio, I'm just going to play it like this.
	And it's actually kind of about what you're talking about.
	Hi, Brandon and Theo.
	My name is Melisa.
	So I am Mexican too.
	Theo, at this point, I think you count as Mexican as well.
	I'm in a very Mexican household, very traditional.
	Women hold this nurturing, caregiving role.
	And within recent years, I've really got into MMA fighting following UFC.
	And I'm interested in taking some jiu-jitsu classes.
	I have a lot of friends that are males that are taking classes right now.
	So my question to Brandon is, how do we eliminate these cultural barriers?
	So if your daughter were to be interested in maybe boxing, MMA fighting, I'm interested in seeing your perspective and how you would, you know, just go about that.
	Again, thank you so much.
	Saludos.
	That's a good question.
	It fits.
	Yeah, so is it, and she may be talking specifically in Mexico that women are looked at more of like a mother and caregiver.
	Do you think that that it's changing?
	What do you think?
	Or what do you think about women in getting into jiu-jitsu in that country?
	Man, I mean, first of all, I feel a lot of respect for all women who's trying to do this sport, man.
	Because it's a tough sport.
	Not just for a woman, even for a man, it's a tough sport because you need to learn too much.
	And if you really want to be a fighter, you need to pass for a lot of pain, man.
	Yeah, it's scary.
	I mean, because sometimes the people is a little bit confused.
	Like, oh, I don't want to do Michmachelar looks very aggressive.
	I mean, if you want just to do the sport and practice and sweat and do some exercise, you can do it.
	I mean, you can hit pass, you can learn technique, and that's it.
	I mean, everything changes when you want to be a fighter, definitely, because you need to do spirit, you need to have the hard sessions and everything.
	And for a woman, when you step into a gym, you can see, I don't know, 90% of the team, men's, you know?
	Yeah.
	And maybe a few women's there.
	And that...
	I can just imagine that is like a little bit of a team.
	Some intimidation there.
	So starting from that, I have a lot of respect for her, right?
	Because it's hard, man.
	So, I don't know.
	I have the example of my daughter.
	Yeah.
	Like, hey, girl, I mean, you need to go to do something because, you know, it's self-defense.
	It's a good weapon in your life.
	You never know.
	Oh, yeah.
	Even me just going, I feel like now if somebody came and wanted to knock me out, I wouldn't be as scared to get knocked out.
	Okay.
	Whereas before, I would be scared to get knocked out.
	But now, at least, if I, I'm just like, all right, you know, I just, it's like a little less fear.
	I don't know.
	Just little things.
	Yeah, your confidence goes up.
	Yeah, I mean, and she's a little princess, man.
	I don't think like she want to be a black belt, a competitor.
	You know, I don't feel like she wanted to do that in the future.
	But at least, I mean, get your blue belt, get your purple bell, and get that knowledge in your mind, and that's it, you know.
	So, do you think in what about in Mexico?
	Is it getting popular for women there?
	Is it not that big of a thing there?
	Or in Tijuana, you know?
	I mean, right now, in the entrance gym in Tijuana, they have a decent female team.
	Oh, wow.
	They have like four or five girls, and it's not so much, right?
	Because the team, the whole team is like 40, 50 guys.
	Wow.
	It's crazy.
	Predominantly, it seems like Mexican or Latino, like it's like UFC or Bellator, but it's at nighttime.
	I see it on television sometimes.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	It's like a league.
	It's like a fight league.
	But it's mostly, I think, Mexican.
	It's a smaller one.
	It's like a Bellator, but it's very small, you know?
	I mean, somehow I see it on television.
	Where do you see it?
	At night on television at night, sometimes late at night, I see it on.
	I mean, they have a few ones, like UWC.
	Actually, that league is from.
	UWC, you were in it.
	I fought there before.
	When I started fighting, like a professional, I fought there.
	And the league is from Entram Jim, Tijuana.
	It's a nice league because they put a lot of guys in the contender series and a lot of guys got the contract from contender series and fought in the UFC.
	So it's like in a nice league.
	It's another one.
	Luke's Filik's another one.
	He's in Five Pass 2. I think those ones are the more solid leagues in Mexico right now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What's your other kids like?
	Do they have hobbies, your other daughters?
	Oh, they're like young.
	Oh, they're really.
	My middle daughter is three years right now.
	My youngest daughter, she's one year.
	One year and a few months.
	So they don't know nothing about it.
	That's Bantam wait, huh?
	What is that?
	Just getting fun in the house all day.
	Yeah, just having fun, huh?
	Yeah.
	My daughter, she started to do something because she's age.
	Man, I remember when she was two, three years, and now she's like, I want to do this.
	And the other day I was talking with my wife.
	Hey, I want to go to the mall because...
	Now you want to go to the mall?
	Damn.
	Where would you guys go hang out?
	What was like a fun thing?
	Do you remember like in the school or something when you were growing up?
	Like, was there a fun place?
	Would you guys go to the mall, stuff like that as kids?
	Yeah?
	In Mexico?
	In Mexico?
	Yeah.
	Me?
	Not too much.
	I went to the mall because the theater was the movie theater was there.
	So I went with my mom and everything.
	I remember the weekends I went with my parents to some restaurant to eat something.
	Again, the movie theater.
	Do they have, like in America, like aliens are like a big thing.
	Do they have that in Mexico?
	Do people talk about aliens and stuff?
	Same or no?
	Aliens?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Aliens, the guys in the air.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	In the other.
	These guys.
	I guess they're bad guys.
	They always make them kind of bad guys.
	You know what?
	It's not my world, but yeah, of course, definitely need to be some guys talking about aliens.
	But is it popular in Mexico?
	'Cause in America I feel like people are always, Wow.
	Why do we care so much?
	I don't know, man.
	And maybe I'm talking from myself, my own experience.
	Maybe other guys are like, man, come on.
	Aliens are very popular in Mexico.
	I don't know, man.
	To be honest, it's not my goal to know too much about aliens.
	Yeah.
	What do you think about aliens?
	Do they exist or not?
	I wouldn't be surprised, you know?
	But we got a lot of issues already, kind of.
	My friend told me a lot of black people and aliens don't get along, someone told me one time.
	Okay.
	Which is crazy, you know, but I didn't know.
	So I think a lot of stuff, I'm just learning it, you know, but I always wondered because I've only grown up in America.
	I always wondered if people in other countries have the same, like, do they care about aliens, you know?
	Okay.
	And they have surprise parties in Mexico?
	Like a surprise birthday?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Yeah.
	Depends.
	You know, everybody hides and they come in.
	Yeah.
	Depends.
	My wife gives me like a few birds, surprise birthdays sometimes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Before.
	And it was nice.
	It's everything about tradition and different...
	Yeah.
	Yeah, family is so important in Mexico.
	what things do you think that you enjoy more about Mexico as compared to America?
	Are there any things you kind of notice about the...
	Yeah, people laugh more in Mexico.
	Yeah, the laugh.
	Latinos, fucking laughter.
	Yeah, I mean, in America, I mean, they are nice people too, but they are a little bit more cold sometimes.
	Why?
	The Latino-American culture is like aren't.
	For example, if you have two years you don't see your family and you go with them to visit your family, like, wow, they make a party and a lot of food.
	Like, they want to do everything big deal.
	Like, it's a big deal.
	It's nice.
	Wow.
	So, yeah, that's.
	Yeah, in America, it's just like you give hugs and then you go.
	And then it's not everybody.
	It's always, we are talking in general, right?
	Right, right.
	But yeah, the Latin American culture is like very, It's because I don't know the word in English, but in Spanish is allegre.
	Alegre.
	Alegre, like happy.
	Alegre.
	It sounds good.
	Yeah.
	Alegre.
	Alegre, like happy, like.
	Yeah.
	Happiness.
	Yeah, like maybe happiness or celebratory.
	Yeah, I just always feel like Latinos are having a better time.
	Sometimes I'm happy that I'm born here, but sometimes I wish sometimes I had more of a different...
	Actually, I mean, I have this guy because I was watching his videos.
	He's a kind of YouTuber.
	I kind of, because he do like conference and everything.
	What is name is?
	Yokoi Kenji.
	Yokoi Kenji.
	So his father is Japanese and his mother is from Colombia.
	Ooh, that's a good mix, huh?
	So in his conference, he talked about the difference of cultures.
	You know, the Japanese culture is like very serious, very, very serious, very formal.
	Very disciplined.
	They never go late to early.
	They sleep outside.
	Early in the job, everything.
	They are hard workers and everything.
	Yes.
	Work, work, work, stress.
	Very serious.
	And the Colombian culture is like very happy culture, a lot of food, like exactly the dance.
	But sometimes it's not the hard work, it's not the representation.
	It's more party.
	Exactly.
	So he talk about that.
	Like, hey, when I go to Japan, because they have all these high numbers of suicides.
	Yeah.
	So he goes to Japan and talk about the Latin culture.
	Like, hey, sometimes it's funny that you go late to your job.
	Relax.
	Spend time with your friends.
	Okay.
	And he goes to Colombia.
	Hey, do you need to go early to your job?
	Come on, bro.
	You need a briefcase.
	Exactly.
	Maybe it's similar with American.
	Oh, yeah, that's probably true, man.
	Yeah, I wonder sometimes, like, yeah, just how much it would be nice to probably have a little bit more of a different culture in me and stuff like that.
	We got another question that came in right here.
	Let's go.
	And to ask the question, I mean, she just need to find a nice gene with a lot of respect and we're hard.
	That's it.
	Question for Brent.
	What is your number one advice for winning a street fight?
	And do you have any stories?
	Gang.
	Damn.
	If you become a fighter, then people want to fight you.
	That's probably one of the problems of being a fighter.
	Like, if you want to be a bait, nobody wants to eat your cookies until you say you're a baker.
	You know what I'm saying, brother?
	But then once they see that oven open, people want to come and see what's up.
	They want to snick a doodle.
	My first advice is don't fight in the street.
	It's horrible.
	You have a lot of scratch in your elbows, in your knees.
	You don't win nothing.
	Yeah, you don't stop for the cars.
	It's not glory there, man.
	I have just one street fight in all my life.
	I had 15 or 16 years old.
	And I went to play soccer to some field.
	We were playing there and some guy from...
	Really?
	He looks like.
	Like from the hood, he looks weird.
	He looks with problems.
	And he starts to play to play with.
	And he starts to play with us, soccer, with all the guys.
	He came with a few friends, I remember.
	Like one or two, I don't know.
	And we start to play and everything.
	And in some point, he has the ball.
	And I take the ball from his legs.
	And he started to get mad because I was doing that constantly.
	And in the last one, I take the ball.
	I had the ball.
	And he's tried to take me the ball.
	He slide you down.
	Exactly.
	But I move the ball there.
	And he's just slide on all the ground.
	Like a cartoon.
	Exactly.
	And then he go against me.
	He started to scream to my face and everything.
	So I saw the problem there.
	And when I put my hands up, I don't care.
	In that moment, I had like two or three years experience of mixed martial arts.
	And then I put my hands up.
	He put his hands up and he started to move a little bit.
	Man, I throw a jab.
	And with the jab, he went to the ground.
	I don't remember.
	He started to throw some blood.
	Yeah, maybe he'll be.
	I don't remember.
	But I remember he went to the ground like, boom, boom.
	And I don't feel good, man.
	I feel like...
	That's different as fair.
	Yeah, like, okay.
	So is it because you think it's more fair?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't feel good when I do that.
	Like, I remember that.
	I saw the guy on the ground, like, oh man, this is fine.
	I don't want more problems, man.
	Everything is fine.
	And I go out of the field and I went to my house and I feel weird.
	Like, I don't know.
	And he couldn't even go to his house because he was probably homeless, you know?
	Maybe.
	He couldn't even go to his house.
	He couldn't even go back there.
	Oh.
	So, yeah, my...
	So, for you fighting, there's something...
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So it's not for you.
	Some guys just love to fucking fight.
	Like I talked with Chito Vera.
	He just loves to fight.
	Yeah, he's crazy.
	That guy's crazy.
	He's crazy, right?
	Yeah, I know.
	Being crazy, he loves fucking, you know, he's just, he loves to fight, you know?
	And like Poirier, I think sometimes he like, he loves to scrap too, but I think he likes to fight.
	He wants to prove himself kind of like, but so you like to fight.
	Why do you like to fight, you think?
	For the same, the same with like Poyer.
	I like to prove.
	I love when the people, when I watch people from, I know, from the school, you know, from high school, from middle school, I'm like, hey, I never thought you would be a fighter.
	You're a real fighter.
	Wow.
	Like, I love that because I proved they were wrong.
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	Did you know that you were going to be that much of a fighter, though?
	No, I started the sport just for love.
	Just to do something.
	I was a shabby kid.
	Right.
	So I remember when I finished my elementary school, I was on vacations.
	Like a few weeks before to go to the middle school, I was talking with my mom, like, hey, with my parents.
	And hey, I want to do something.
	You know, I have too much time.
	I remember my times in elementary school.
	Too much time.
	I was finishing my day in school and then start to eat junk food.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then go to my room, start to play video games.
	Yeah.
	And that's it.
	So at some point, I was like, I'm done with that.
	Like, I want to do something, like some sport.
	You got into fighting.
	I was playing a lot of combat games.
	Tech-kind was my fighting games.
	Fighting games.
	And like, I want to practice something.
	I want to do capoeira.
	I remember because one of the characters of the game, Eddie, I remember the name.
	One of his things was the capoeira.
	His style was the capoeira.
	So I love the style for that.
	But my mom never find a good place in Tijuana to do capoeira.
	But we find the mixed martial arts.
	In that moment, they say balletodo.
	Valetodo?
	Yeah, like balletudo in Brazil.
	Valetudo.
	They start oh, ballet.
	Valetudo.
	Valeturo.
	Like this, like this?
	No, no, no.
	Like, like, no rules.
	Oh.
	Yeah, like, no rules.
	Something like that.
	I forget the name.
	That was the place what's called that?
	I mean, in Mexico in general.
	Right.
	You know, for the current, for the Valeturo.
	That wasn't a new sport in the country in that moment.
	It was 2006.
	It was a new sport.
	Yeah.
	So.
	And you just liked it.
	You just kept doing it?
	ah, I saw everything, the information, like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, kickboxing, wrestling, I don't know what is Greslin.
	But all the information looks like nice.
	So my mom got the number.
	And they signed you up?
	That was a weekend, a Saturday, Sunday, and next Monday I went to the class.
	And you stayed committed, huh?
	I mean, it's very simple, man.
	Right.
	My start was very simple.
	It was like that.
	And then, I mean, I was just training because I love to spend time there in the gym, sweating, doing exercise.
	My body looks better, right?
	Yes, confidence.
	More confidence in the middle school.
	You start to meet some girls and you start, you want to look better.
	Exactly.
	You want to dance La Bamba in the classroom, right?
	But then, man, I mean, I started to was like, man, I like to do this.
	Like, I don't want to do nothing more.
	But did people just look at you like a karate boy?
	They're like, oh, it's just a karate boy?
	Ah, maybe.
	And then later it became a bigger thing for me.
	Exactly.
	And was there a point where you were thinking about not doing it anymore at some point?
	Like what?
	Like where you think when your career was kind of, because your career has been like this, you know.
	And it's definitely very, it's in a new space and has been for a few years now.
	But did you think when it was, did you reconsider, or not reconsider, but think maybe I'm fit?
	Man, a lot of times, man.
	That's a normal question In a life of a fighter.
	I'm good on this.
	Because I remember when I started my professional career, my amateur career was amazing.
	Like a lot of Brazilian Jiu-Gita tournaments, winning.
	I had a nice amateur record of kickboxing.
	I have 12 and 2, something like that.
	My MMA amateur career was very nice too.
	Like 6 and 0, I have one draft, something like that.
	But my amateur career was a success.
	when I did my transition to the professional, I was like winning one, losing another one, winning one.
	My record with...
	And the problem was I was very young.
	You might not make the playoffs, you know?
	Man, my first fight was when I had 17 years old.
	And man, if you can watch me now, I mean, I know I'm not the most muscular guy in the room right now.
	I'm not going to fight you.
	I know that.
	I promise.
	I promise.
	But man, imagine at 17 years old, I was like skinny.
	Really?
	No tattoos.
	Like, I was, looks like a kid, man.
	Like a kid.
	So my opponents, the most part of the time was like bigger guys, like 20-something.
	I remember my first fight, the other guy had like 25, 27, something like that.
	Around that.
	And how old was you?
	17. Jesus Christ, that's illegal, I think.
	Yeah, so for example, at that fight, I won.
	The next one, I fought with some guy.
	He has like 21 or 22, but the guy was a guy who was working in construction and everything.
	Strong, big.
	And I was very frustrated because I remember saying to me, I know, like, talking about technique, I'm a huge better person.
	Better than this guy.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	The problem is I don't have the power to show it, right?
	Right.
	Well, the weight class was probably so different as well, huh?
	I was fighting in 135.
	And what was the guy in?
	He was in 135 too?
	The construction?
	Of course, of course.
	And he was obviously cutting weight and everything.
	I went to that fight in 140 by something like that.
	Damn.
	I don't know.
	So, yeah, I mean...
	Oh, what is jockeys?
	Yuckies, you know?
	Or yuckeys?
	I don't know what are jockeys.
	Like the you know this guy, you know, like we had a, we had a um uh Mario Gutierrez, I think.
	Well, I know his he's like, you know, the caballeros, you know, the horses, you know, on the horseback.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know, I'm talking about it.
	Okay.
	It's big.
	In Mexico, there's a lot of a lot of jucies or yuckies.
	Maybe.
	It's not my world, man.
	So I don't know.
	But.
	You never met any?
	No.
	Or, for example, you talk about people who just look to...
	Maybe the people with money because horses are.
	Yeah, horses are expensive, huh?
	Canelo Alvaris has a huge horse's place.
	You've been over there or no?
	No, but I could see his social media and the picture and everything.
	Like, wow, it's amazing.
	So, yeah, man, it's not my world, but I mean, there's a lot of ranch there in Mexico.
	Yeah.
	And you said a lot of people are moving over there.
	A lot of Americans now are moving over to Mexico, to Tijuana.
	I mean, man, the border in San Diego, Tijuana is crazy every single day, man.
	Both directions now.
	Both directions now.
	That's crazy.
	Before, it was just going to the United States.
	Yeah, now it's going to be.
	The people from San Diego who are trying to cross the border to Tijuana is crazy too, man.
	They spend like one, two hours there.
	So, yeah, I mean, I was talking with you.
	A lot of people from San Diego, you know, American people.
	So they work in San Diego, but they live in Tijuana because they are winning dollars, right?
	They are spending pesos in Tijuana in Mexico.
	So imagine that.
	They can spend more because everything is cheaper in Tijuana, right?
	The thing is, they need to cross the border every day.
	And man, I mean, I had a neighbor who he was like every single morning, like, I don't remember like 3 a.m., 4 a.m.
	Like, I was hearing his car, turning on his car, going to the border.
	And man.
	Because it takes a long time, huh?
	I mean, like you said before, before to start with this, like, man, they are winning money, but they are losing life, man.
	I mean, that's too much.
	Yeah, you're sitting in the car, you can't do nothing.
	Imagine all the stress, everything.
	You start to smoke.
	You probably start smoking, chewing gum.
	I don't know what I would do.
	I would like that, man.
	For two hours, I would lose my mind, huh?
	Is Tijuana changing a lot?
	Because there are a lot of people moving there.
	Man, Tijuana Rhino is growing up too much.
	Wow.
	And the space is every single time not enough.
	So they are building a lot of, they are doing buildings.
	So the city is going up.
	Wow.
	You can see a lot of buildings, a lot of condos, apartments, everything.
	So yeah, man, because again, a lot of people from Latin America, they went to Tijuana trying to cross the border to the United States.
	They can't.
	So they stuck in Tijuana.
	They came with everything, with the culture, with the traditions.
	So yeah, man, talking about Tijuana, it's a weird but nice mix of cultures.
	It's nice.
	Wow.
	Because it's getting diverse.
	And who else is there?
	We were talking about people from Honduras, you said.
	Tura, the last ones, from IT.
	I don't know.
	How do you say it in English?
	Haiti.
	Haiti.
	High tea.
	Oh, yeah, like...
	Yeah, the Caribbean.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, and they have witchcraft.
	Witchcraft?
	It's like sorcery.
	Sorcery.
	Sorcery?
	Yeah, like magic in Haiti.
	Ah, okay.
	Or Haiti.
	We say Haiti also, Haiti.
	Haiti.
	But they have witchcraft and magician, like magic dark arts.
	Yeah, so I mean, now you can see a lot of...
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know if sometimes, you know, for the language, I don't understand sometimes, so hopefully it's not racist, but you can see now a lot of black people walking in.
	Tijuana.
	No, it's not racist.
	But you wouldn't see it before.
	No, no, no.
	Wow, it's different, yeah.
	And that's Haitian people, yeah.
	Yeah, and now, like, people from Honduras, because a lot of people, like, go back to Honduras, but other people stay there.
	Wow.
	Tijuana is getting diverse, huh?
	Yes, man.
	It's crazy.
	I love the city, man.
	Yeah.
	A lot of people say I'm like an ambassador of the city.
	Yeah.
	Do you get in like an armored car when you're there or anything?
	You have security right now or no?
	If you go there?
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	Have you got to meet the president or anything yet of Mexico?
	Yes, man.
	I did it last year, man.
	No!
	And right now.
	It's scary?
	awkward, it's weird because Yes, I went to the capital of Mexico, Mexico City.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Mexico City, I heard, is beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	A lot of nice places, but it's too much people there.
	Really?
	A lot of people.
	You can see a lot of people in the street, trying to cross the street or something, waiting for the light.
	A lot of people.
	It's like 200 people waiting in the corner.
	It's like the nature channel, huh?
	Exactly.
	So yeah, man, last year I went to the Capitol to meet the president.
	Was weird because first of all, you, Yes.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, man.
	The people love souvenirs.
	The people of trophies.
	Jesus Christ.
	Can't you just throw a picture of it?
	Let the guy leave it in the car.
	It's heavy.
	I know, man.
	So, I wake up in the morning, I eat my breakfast, and then we went to the Palacio.
	Palacio Nacional.
	Plazo de Nacional.
	The place is huge.
	It's in the center of the city.
	And they have gates on the front stuff?
	Yeah, but we went to the back from the back door because in the front is like too much people watching everything.
	Oh, it's fancy.
	It's like tourists.
	So in the back part of the Palación Nacional, a lot of security, a lot of people with suits, a lot of police officers, a lot of media outside.
	And then you cross some kind of border.
	Like a bridge or...
	Oh, like a security.
	You cross that and you go to another security who was getting your name and your ID and everything.
	And you have to take the belt and put it in the basket each time?
	Uh-huh.
	No.
	Of course, yes.
	You need to pass the belt for a metal security thing.
	And Athena was just wait for him like 20 minutes because he was doing something, I don't remember what.
	And then I met him.
	And it's weird because.
	And you knew who he was?
	Yeah, I know the guy.
	It's weird in Mexico right now, the government in Mexico is very like fragmented.
	Exactly.
	I mean, it's the same thing with Donald Trump.
	Oh, wow.
	Because a lot of people love him and a lot of people hate him.
	Right.
	You know?
	So it's the same in Mexico.
	So yeah, before to, when I, when I knew I want to go to meet the president, I'm going to go to meet the president, I was like, man, I don't know if this is a good idea because a lot of haters like, ah, now you are with the government.
	Jack Brandon.
	But man, I mean, I just tried to be very, very neutral.
	Like, man, I'm going to do this for the mixed martial arts in my country, man.
	That's a really good idea.
	Meeting the president of a country is a huge thing.
	Any country, I think it's interesting, you know?
	And it's just an honor.
	It doesn't matter who it is.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Just the honor to be there.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, man, at the end of the day, I think that people understood that.
	Yeah, I think so.
	It makes sense to me.
	It's a nice experience, man.
	It was?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So what aspirations do you have right now?
	Do you feel like is there a way where you feel like you obviously get back to the belt?
	Is that a goal right now?
	100%, man.
	I mean, I'm pushing so hard with my manager.
	Like, man, I don't want another fight, man.
	I want that fight because I know that.
	I mean, first of all, I still thinking I want the fight.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, look, man.
	I would agree that I don't know if he won.
	Okay.
	You know, I don't believe that he did enough to win.
	That's where I stand with it.
	Man, so I'm just trying to keep a balance between I saw the fight.
	I feel like I won the fight and I want to be very positive about it.
	And at the same time, I don't want to be cocky.
	Right.
	And say, like, oh, I won the fight.
	I don't need to learn nothing about it because I won.
	And I don't want to be that stupid guy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because that guy's not learning anything.
	Exactly.
	So, man, I'm trying to watch the perspective of the judges to see what they can maybe watch in that fight and fix my mistakes.
	And that's it.
	I mean, I know for sure.
	I just need to fix a little things.
	Well, it's also interesting.
	And I heard you say this on another podcast, talking about the perspective of the judges.
	Because some of them don't know that much about wrestling, about doing MMA.
	I don't even know.
	Some of them, I don't even know what business they're in.
	Man, that's important, man.
	I mean, a lot of guys from boxing.
	Yeah.
	Because they are a little bit old, like judging and whole different sport, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you don't notice sometimes, like, yeah, Position is so important.
	One certain like hook of the foot or keeping an arm out of the way, like things like that are so strategic and they can shape around, it seems like.
	My point was: I mean, ease.
	The guy threw three good punches in all the fight.
	He got three knockdowns against me and he was throwing good kicks.
	He tried a few takedowns in the fight.
	He never take me down really.
	He take me down one time, but it was my fault because I crossed too much distance.
	He just took the advantage and he did it.
	Okay?
	That's my point.
	But my point is, man, I was torching his face every single time.
	Pam, bam, bam, pam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
	You know?
	Like a musician, huh?
	Like Tommy Lee.
	Man, I know I don't have enough power to knock a guy like cold, but I mean, I'm doing my job.
	Oh, you're in the refrigerator.
	effective punches straight to his to his face everything yeah what else I really don't think that it should have.
	I wonder, sometimes you wonder if it's they're doing something because of the story.
	They want this bigger picture story.
	But you know what?
	Actually, right now I'm very excited, man.
	Yeah.
	Because I feel like I play a little bit more drama on all of this.
	And at the same time, I'm a little bit mad with me.
	Like, man, that belt is yours, man.
	And now you wake up, some monster inside me, man.
	Yeah, I like that, huh?
	Some chupacabra.
	Falpinches, chupacabras.
	Oh, yeah.
	So, man, I don't know, man.
	It is interesting.
	At least your story now has enough, because that's your story.
	Your story is this.
	Yeah, it's our story.
	It's your story.
	It is.
	So it's almost like we can't be shocked when we get our story.
	You know, we can't be surprised.
	It's like, that's what God has for us.
	He has that story.
	It's like your story is that you are a guy who has to face certain adversities.
	Everybody is.
	And that's the way that yours goes.
	That's interesting, man.
	But yeah, I'm sure you have more.
	You certainly have more purpose.
	The guy coming wanting something always has more purpose.
	And you know what, man?
	And it's exciting.
	It is exciting.
	You know what?
	I mean, I'm very honest with everybody about this.
	Like, I'm start this in a selfish way.
	Like, I'm starting this because I want to be the best.
	I want to prove something to the world who say I'm not enough good to be the best in this sport.
	You know, stupid things like I want a huge house.
	I want a nice car.
	Everything started from there, from a selfish way.
	For me, exactly.
	But then, you know, a lot of people start to come to my journey.
	You know, my wife, my daughters, my family.
	Then you start to watch, if you do a nice job in this, you can do something for the mixed martial arts in all your country.
	Right.
	You are motivating a lot of kids around Mexico to do this sport who watch Brandon Moreno like, hey, I mean, I want to be that guy.
	I want to be Brandon Moreno.
	I'm even that, man.
	I mean, even probably for Halloween, they had people that were Brandon Moreno.
	So, man, now I can see, I can move the world, man.
	And that is a huge motivation for me, man.
	That's a good point.
	That's powerful.
	And it's almost, I think it starts to become for some guys in the Alls business.
	I notice it with Dustin.
	I notice it with certain guys.
	You can do, you get to a level as a human where you can do it with or without the sport, even.
	I think, I'm not saying that now.
	I'm not saying, I just think, you know, sometimes you start to transcend.
	People see who you are as a human through the fighting.
	And that's what's sometimes really what also people gravitate towards.
	Yeah, but and you know, the people sometimes they forget.
	I mean, I'm a human.
	I know how to fight.
	Right.
	That's a fact.
	But I'm a human being as you, as the other guys, right?
	And that, I think, is why the people get some motivation because I'm always very clear with everybody.
	Like, man, I'm born in Tijuana in a hood.
	You know, definitely I understand the opportunities of other people are different.
	Maybe I had better opportunities to other people who was trying to do this the same way.
	I understand a lot of people, they don't get the success in the future.
	Right.
	That's a fact.
	Right.
	Some people don't get the same success or the same future.
	Some people don't get the same opportunity.
	Some people get to live vicariously through your opportunity.
	Sometimes there's a guy maybe who wanted to train or wanted to do this or that.
	It could be a guy that's in a wheelchair.
	It could be a guy that just got his wife, his girlfriend pregnant young and had to start being a man.
	And they see you, it's almost like, oh, that guy, whatever what I wanted to have a chance at, he got a chance at.
	And they're not angry.
	They are just, they, I think, can relate, you know?
	Yeah, man.
	So, but man, at the end of the day, to me, it's about hard work.
	Okay.
	Obviously, it's about decisions.
	It's about how you manage your life and the possibilities of your own world.
	But to me, it's hard work, man.
	I really believe if you live in this position with hard work, maybe you don't got to here, but man, you're here and your hard work putting here.
	Man, that is a success, man.
	Do you think that that comes to you from, do you think that that is traditionally a Mexican trait?
	Or do you think that that is something that was learned by your, instilled by your parents?
	Or do you just feel like it's just who you are, kind of?
	Is that Mexican?
	Because we started talking that Mexican people work fucking hard.
	Dog, I don't even know when Mexican people sleep.
	Mexican people are the hardest.
	I wake up every day and I go like this: round of applause for Mexican people for keeping the country going.
	That's why, I mean, to me, it's this combination: it's hard work, your decisions, and your world, your opportunities.
	Okay?
	Because, yeah, it's obviously it's not just about the hard work.
	Yeah.
	Okay?
	Because I know a lot of people who cross the border trying to get on a better life for their family and work all his life, but they never do nothing.
	Like, they don't save money or they don't, you know?
	So that is about the decisions.
	And another thing is, you know, the opportunities around you, you know?
	When you were growing up, did you know anybody that went and snuck all across the border?
	Did you know any, were there people like that?
	Because I'm sure that, or people that, you know, came, you know, like, because a lot of people sneak across, right?
	I mean, that just happens over the, you know, tons of people have done it over the years.
	Do you ever, is that a popular thing where people go and then send money back?
	Because you hear about it from here, but you don't, I don't know what it's like in Tijuana, you know?
	Hmm.
	Man, I don't know.
	You never saw that world really much?
	Not exactly.
	No, around my family, I mean, I had too much history.
	I have a family in Los Angeles, for example.
	But I'm not sure if they are illegal or not.
	Right, right.
	I don't think half the people in Los Angeles know if they're legal or not.
	I think they're illegal.
	But I'm not sure to be a little bit.
	Right, right, yeah.
	Who knows?
	So I don't know.
	I mean, before, cross the border was easy, man.
	You needed to say, like, oh, I'm an American citizen.
	You need to speak like a decent English, and that's it.
	You can cross the border.
	Oh, yeah.
	But then after September 11, the borders, everything are very, very disciplined.
	Borders.
	It's hard to cross the border.
	You need to have your visa.
	The officers are very watching everything.
	You can't cross the border easy as before.
	It's tighter, yeah.
	And they have, and now they have people crossing the other way.
	That's the craziest thing to me, is that there's now people leaving America to go live in Mexico.
	Not that it's not a great thing to do, but it's just, it's just times change, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, I can imagine isn't the other border cities.
	Like, you know, for example, the father of my wife fathers.
	Your father in law, your wife's dad?
	Uh-huh.
	He do the same.
	Like, he lives in Tamaulipas, but he works in Larelo.
	So it's the same.
	I want to go to El Paso.
	You ever been there?
	Just, I passed there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't stuck there a little bit because I needed to go to Ciad Juarez.
	Oh, you went to Juarez?
	Yeah, I went to Juarez.
	Juarez is cool.
	It's nice.
	It's a hard place, man.
	It is?
	It's a hard place.
	It's a lot of Maquiladoras there, huh?
	I think so.
	I was there like two days or something like that because I was doing something with my visa.
	And a lot of what?
	Criminals?
	Or not?
	Or maybe crime?
	I don't know right now, but like a few years.
	Banditos.
	Bandas.
	Banditos.
	Banditos.
	It's a weird.
	What is bandito?
	It's like this.
	Yeah, like a deal.
	Like, I go through the bag for the money.
	Yeah, in the bag.
	The money bag.
	Road to the car.
	Dude, you could be a bandito maybe one day off or just for Halloween, maybe.
	Maybe, man.
	But yeah, man, I mean, I forgot what I was saying.
	Oh, it's okay, dude.
	It's podcasting.
	You can forget.
	I know.
	That's why I love podcasts.
	Because I'm talking and then another conversation is coming.
	So I forget what I say.
	Yeah, no problem.
	We got two more little questions here, and then we'll get you out of here, Brandon, man.
	Here's one that came in.
	What's up, Theo?
	What's up, Brandon?
	My name is Adrian.
	I'm from El Paso, Texas.
	The question is for Brandon.
	Where do you see the sport of MMA from where it was a couple years ago in Mexico to where it is now all across the country?
	And what do you think the UFC is doing to advance the sport in not only Mexico, but for all Latinos and all across the Latin countries?
	Big up to both of you.
	Congrats on all your accomplishments.
	You make us very proud, Brandon.
	Go back and get that belt on the fourth time around.
	Gang, gang.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	That's cool.
	Yeah, what do you think is happening?
	Is UFC doing stuff in Mexico, you think, to broaden the sport?
	UFC has a few projects in Mexico right now.
	We had like two or three years where the relation between UFC and Latin America was like not the best because everything started with the first developer program from UFC in Latin America.
	So they went to Mexico City and they make trials for a lot of Latin fighters.
	Guys from Argentina, guys from Colombia, a lot of different fighters from different countries in Latin America went to Mexico City and they and I remember the matchmakers of UFC was there and they started doing like hitting pads doing Jiu Jitsu roles with other guys like showing all the skills the skills of the region exactly and then UFC picked 12 fighters to go to Albuquerque
	New Mexico to Jackson Seme yeah the UFC was paying everything like paying the gene paying the food to 12 fighters to develop the the the skills of the fighters right and did you have a chance to be in that or no so that's the first the first generation of that developer program was were 12 guys then the f in the in the first six months yeah they caught six
	guys oh fuck exactly leave six guys there in new mexico in albuquerque and they bring another six guys and that was you and that was me one of the guys was me and they and you lived together in a house yeah was it fun or not you know it wasn't and a little no it's it was harmony to be honest and you had bunk bed too yeah oh wasn't it snoring a little a little apartment in the gym uh living with 12 guys oh he's just cristo like
	everybody was like like this like but i mean choking each other yeah i know but i don't care man i was like i was there to get new knowledge and and get better and train with other different people so they did that program do they still do a lot of programs like that or is it growing i'm sure people just seeing you will help it grow so that um with those guys from the the developer program they made the first the ultimate fire in latin
	america okay okay so everything started from there from that developer program and that the ultimate fire they made two more seasons and they made two more developer programs oh so the other developer program was in in american top thing and the last one was in in in in king's mma in los angeles so a lot of guys start to go to to ufc but
	then something happened they stopped with developer programs they stopped with the american the ultimate fighter and if you wanted to go to the ufc was like oh i don't have nothing to show because it's not like the matchmaker is is going to the mexican promotions to watch the talent there i see right so there was no way to really be seen exactly so what's what's horrible but now with the title i feel like the connection with between ufc and
	laughter america uh start to work again so last year after the title a lot of guys from from anthem gym from regime in in tijuana uh they went to the contender series oh that's cool uh-huh and actually my minor was a really huge help for that too um so they they follow the contender series everybody get the contract and now they are um uh um jeeps fighters man wow that's awesome and they are then the next contender series is coming and
	for sure i know other guys from from entrum from a gym that they are going to the contender series so there's a huge connection and you know entrum gym has a lot of different uh fighters from different from different countries a lot of guys from argentina from peru from ecuador and that's in juan together and tijuana exactly so right now i mean entrum is the the most the most biggest gym in latin america in latin america in general wow so
	far i need to go i need to go to tijuana maybe for vacation huh man a lot of food man a lot of nightlife balance a lot of uh discos huh definitely yeah so yeah man i love tijuana man it's a nice place i gotta go man you need to go there man yeah man maybe i get me a good mexican wife huh do you like hey you never know i could use it i need someone to get me going you know go do this some fun in your life yeah i need that is it fun having a mexican wife man
	i mean again my wife is your wife is kind of american but she's mexican she's mexican she's mexican she lives all his all her life in in in oh she's mexico in mexico so yeah i think i would like to branch out and do that man go there i mean if you love tacos man you can find good tacos everywhere man yeah but what after i have some tacos i got to do something else you know of course yeah you know but then what maybe start a company or something maybe yeah maybe a small company doing what the podcast company marijuana
	company you said man you know you know the the marijuana there in in mexico is podcast company you said i thought you said pot oh no i say podcast but you want to talk about marijuana i mean it's weird in in mexico because it's very close to be legal man so i legal it's very very close wow so a lot of marijuana comp Mexican marijuana companies or even from the United States they're like like just waiting just waiting like when this legal like
	the start to all the the stores there so it's it's funny how all the CBD companies are just waiting to turn like everything company wow yeah it could happen soon huh do you you don't smoke drugs you said no to be honest no maybe in the future you never know yeah maybe when you get older if you like a grandfather you sitting there I mean I'm not interested man I'm I mean a lot of people smoke marijuana and I don't I don't care I mean I don't have any any problem with the marijuana
	I use a lot of CBD and sometimes when I'm like very like sore I smoke CBD sometimes yeah yeah I've seen I feel I just feel like I don't need the THC in my life man yeah I don't use it yeah you're kind of good in the space that you're in did and I just have this did you whenever you you were growing up did you guys have any pets at y'all's house or no I'm just wondering do a lot of Mexican people have pets or not I have just one dog oh yeah yeah and I mean I'm trying to do I mean right now so
	my friends they are I have two friends two training parents living with me in my house and they take care of of my dog because I mean right right now I'm like traveling too much and then before was the training camp and you know I have I need to spend time with my family I need to take care of my daughter so the pet is a kind of another kid so I don't I don't have too much time to spend too much time with with with the dog but that said man I mean I'm
	trying to to do the enough for for him to the dog be happy right is he a happy dog you think yeah what's his name Pepe Pepe is his name oh wow Pepe and I don't know if the Mexican culture love to get pets I feel like the American culture loves to get like Pets, man.
	Ridiculous.
	I have a lot of friends like, oh, I have four pets, four dogs in my house.
	Like, oh, my goodness.
	I know.
	I have birds, people have birds, canary, snakes.
	He has snakes.
	What else?
	Ali, some people get everything.
	Alligators, goats.
	Do you like pets or not?
	I like goats.
	What is goats?
	Goats is like a little bit of like a, it looks like a sheep, but that's been maybe doing drugs, you know, like a goat.
	Oh, okay, yeah, I understand.
	Yeah, of course.
	People has people has goats, yeah, man.
	America, yeah.
	Yeah, I think we have a lot more pets here in America.
	I wonder why.
	Yeah.
	When I was growing up, they had dogs in the street.
	It wasn't indoor dogs.
	People just have a neighborhood have a dog, you know.
	Okay.
	You just see a dog get bit by the dog whose dog nobody knows.
	He fucking gone, bro.
	He's a criminal, you know.
	He just fucking snuck off.
	You know, he's dangerous, bro.
	So with the fighting, man, is there any, the only fight you really are going to take is Frigieto, man.
	That's it.
	I mean, I don't know.
	David.
	I understand.
	Whoever, bro.
	I understand.
	keep doing it with the letters.
	So, I just want to push hard for the four one.
	Yeah.
	I'll watch seven of them.
	I don't keep doing it.
	And the thing is that, I mean, every single fight is so entertaining.
	I mean, he has in the last three fights between us, he has two bonus, performance bonus for Fight of the Night.
	And I have three.
	So every single fight was so good.
	And I think the people can watch and they want to watch the 4-1.
	I know the company won the 4-1.
	So right now, we're just pushing hard for the 4-1.
	That's it.
	And obviously, if something happened in the future and they say, no, you need to fight with another guy, we'll be like, I will be mad in that moment.
	But, I mean, I just want to fight.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Cool, dude.
	Well, thank you so much for coming in, man.
	We wish, obviously, wish you the best of luck.
	Thank you, man.
	Just cool, man.
	And yeah, if you guys need another person over there in Mexico, let me know.
	If you go to Tijuara, talk with me and we can go and eat something good.
	Okay.
	And we can show you.
	Maybe a novia.
	Do you want a novia?
	Possibly.
	Huge novia?
	Little novia?
	Maybe mismo.
	Okay.
	Or what does that mean, mismo?
	Middle?
	In the middle?
	In the middle, yeah?
	Maybe something.
	It's fine.
	Just some bonita y possibly carne asara.
	You want a girlfriend with carnaza on top?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, there we go.
	I mean, I want her to be cooked.
	Good cook.
	A good chef and big hugs, you know?
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Nice hair, too.
	Nice hair.
	Okay, okay.
	Yes, just talk with me and we can go to Tijuana, eat tacos, put Carnaza on the girls.
	Meeting up these ladies, baby.
	Meeting up these ladies.
	Brandon Moreno, man, thanks so much for your time, brother.
	Thank you, bro.
	Thank you so much for the space, man.
	Thank you so much.
	This is awesome, man.
	Congratulations on your success.
	Thank you.
	I can easily see why people are just that people love you.
	And I hope your life's filled with as many successes as you want.
	Oh, thank you, man.
	I mean, the job is not finished yet, but thank you so much.
	Yeah, amen.
	Now I'm just floating on the breeze.
	And I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
	I must be cornerstone.
	Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.
	I can feel it in my bones.
	But it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking break and let myself hold myself home way
	too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of past.
	And these wheels that I've been riding on, they're once so thin that they're damn near gone.
	I guess now they just weren't built to live.
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