Theo sits down with mixed martial artist and former Interim UFC Lightweight Champion, Dustin Poirier, to discuss his upcoming rematch with Conor McGregor on January 23rd, the path that brought him to this fight and what he has planned for the future.
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Today's guest is one of the establishers of the Good Fight Foundation.
He has a fight coming up against Conor McGregor on January 23rd.
He's the pride of Louisiana and he's the pride of many people.
It is my friend, Mr. Dustin the Diamond Poirier.
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Is it interesting kind of because you turn it more into a I mean, I guess it's a celebrity, but it's more of like a public figure.
Like what is it?
I mean, it starts, there's something else that happens outside of fighting.
Yeah.
As your popularity gets bigger, you're not doing it, but it happens to you.
Yeah, yeah.
You just find yourself in that position somehow.
Right.
Yeah.
And I'm happy for it, too, because I'm busy all the time.
Before, it would just be fights, then downtime, and then hope to get a fight again, start training camp.
Now it's like I have stuff planned.
As soon as this fight's over, I have other things going on.
It's good.
Busy is good, but like I said, it's just I'm so thin.
My mind is always thinking about something non-stop.
That's crazy.
Yeah, I don't like, the other day I was driving, I'm like, who the fuck even is this guy anymore?
Yeah.
Damn, dude.
Bullshit.
Well, then, I guess I don't know if I can hit up my bookie and take my money off of Dustin Fourger or not.
But if you swipe up now, we'll match your first deposit, though, Deo.
What's your code?
Dustin.
I might have to get in and wager on it.
Dude, it's pretty crazy to think that two white guys are now going to the Middle East to fight each other.
It's pretty crazy, you know?
Yeah, right.
Very white.
What'd y'all do for New Year's, man?
New Year's, we actually got a hotel room down here in Deerfield Beach.
Okay.
And it's probably about 10 minutes from my condo.
Just to break it up, you know, I've been here since, let me think, beginning of November.
So training camp, just training, going to the, back to my condo, going to the gym, back to my condo.
I needed to break it up.
And I thought New Year's was a good idea to just get a hotel room, get out of my condo, and take a morning off.
It was you and your wife?
Did you go with the kiddo?
Yeah, me and my wife and my daughter.
Oh, nice.
Now, and this is personal, you don't have to answer it, but do you, is there like a, do you put a stop on the intimacy of y'all's relationship if you hadn't into a fight?
Like, do you fight?
I hear that about fighters.
No, I've always heard that about boxing and stuff.
They say it takes your legs away or whatnot.
But dude, I've came and knocked people out, and I've not came and knocked people out, too.
So I don't really believe in that.
Damn.
Damn.
I wonder if I'd rather have a guy who's already recently.
Ejaculated?
Yeah, knock me out or a guy that's full of knock me out, you know?
Yeah, I guess they're all different.
I guess it's all different.
I don't feel it.
I don't believe in the, in the takes your legs away.
I don't think you don't.
Nah, I don't think you're going to do it.
Wow, so that's never really been a thing in your head You did.
Yeah.
Dude, I was watching Fightville.
And if you want to get amped up for anything, if you want to end up spray painting a building, if you want to fight somebody, whatever you want to do, arson, if you go watch Fightville, dude, you will be freaking pumped for it.
When you watch that, do you still relate to that Dustin Poirier?
You're growing up.
Yeah, the last time I watched it was a few years ago, but just sitting there, it feels like such a long time ago, and I'm such a different person.
Go about fighting and the thoughts of preparing for a fight so much different.
Man, it really feels like a different world when I'm watching it.
I know it's me.
I'm watching it.
I remember going through all the things in the videos, but it's just so different, man.
Dude, they shot it so well.
Yeah, it took forever to shoot.
It probably took three years to shoot.
Wow.
And they have so much fights and footage that didn't even make it to it.
The problem was the guy who was filming it lived in New York with his family, and he would just come down periodically whenever he saw a time in his schedule to shoot.
And he'd come down for three months here, a month here.
So it took a really long time to film the whole thing.
Damn.
Yeah.
Yeah, they shot it.
I was looking.
They shot it through the cage almost as if they were watching animals a lot of times.
Like in some way, you know what I'm saying?
The way it looked like?
Yeah, very, yeah, like you said, like animals.
Tribal, very tribal.
Yeah, it just had like a, I felt like I was watching, you know, like I remember at LSU, they used to have those videos of Mike the Tiger all the time.
They'd shoot him just kind of going through the cage, you know, or doing something.
Yeah.
And it just reminded me of that.
But in R.I.P.
to the lion, I'm sorry, the tiger at the truck stop right there.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Did he die again?
Dude, I mean, one time I think is the limit.
That's true, bro.
Wow, cats have nine lives maybe, right?
That's true, but Louise, yeah.
They got a camel there.
Did you hear about this?
Uh-uh.
Yeah, you know what a truck stop I'm talking about.
Tiger truck stop right off the basin bridge.
Oh, I don't even know if I've been there.
Yeah, dude.
On the Chafali Bridge, right between Baton Rouge and Lafayette.
Yeah.
They had the Tiger truck stop.
And they had a real tiger there?
Yeah.
And a camel took his job?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Unbelievable.
But the camel recently bit somebody.
Oh, yeah.
Bro, that's a Louisiana camel, bro.
Dude, because I think they made the camel quit smoking cigarettes.
That's why.
He's having some withdrawals.
Dude, when you watch, what's going to be different, you think, like heading into this fight, what do you think could be different about it?
Dude, every fight's different.
Whether it's the same opponent, like this is a rematch or a completely different guy never fought before.
Every fight's so different because I'm in a different place in my life.
Life's different every fight.
So just trying to learn and be smart moving forward, not just in fighting, but in life.
Just trying to move with strategy and not emotion, man.
And that's my goal.
So you feel that for like in the ring and out of the ring?
Yeah.
Yeah.
In preparation for the fight.
If I feel like I'm redlining a little bit, my body's run down, I'll pull back a little bit and rest up.
And it's just more about quality than quantity at this point in my career.
I still feel young and feel great, but my goal is to stay in love with what I do.
And I feel like sometimes I can overwork myself or put so much into it mentally that I start to hate it.
And I don't want that.
That's a fine line.
I got to walk.
Right.
Yeah, because I've been doing this a long time.
Yeah, I can imagine, especially this past year, because there was a couple times you were going to fight.
Yeah.
And it got pulled back.
Did you come and start a training camp at one point and then have to call it off?
Yeah, I think two times that happened.
The Tony Ferguson fight, we were supposed to fight in Abu Dhabi.
And then that kind of fell apart.
I'm trying to think of the other one.
I think there was two times I came thinking that I was probably going to get a fight and ended up going home.
Damn.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's not done in vain because I come here, I get pushed, I learn new things with these guys, you know, surrounded by a bunch of great professional fighters and coaches.
So it's nothing lost coming and doing that.
It's just a mental, you know, reps.
I'm revving the engine up and then not getting the race.
Yeah.
When you look at whatever you did to prepare the first time you fought Connor, to what you do to prepare for to fight for him this time, is there anything different?
I mean, I know you're a different person.
I know every fight is different.
You're taking the fight at a different point in your life.
So who you are and what you're even going to be doing is evolved and is coming in with a different template.
But is there anything kind of specifically that you guys are trying to do?
You know, just let my skills and work ethic and fighting do the job.
You know, of course, the mental plays a huge part in it, but just not getting tangled up in the mental aspect of trying to hurt this guy.
This isn't about payback.
It's not a revenge fight for me.
Of course, those things are great.
You know, I go out there and beat him.
Those are all part of this storyline of things that I'm going to think about and be happy with, but that's not the driving force of each day.
I'm driven by the main goal of becoming the world champion, to being the best.
And I know that a win over a guy like this at the point of our careers, it etches my name in the history books on its own page.
I'm in the books.
I'm in honorable mentions right now.
You know, that back page, that Theosaurus page, whatever.
I'm under that.
I'm in there somewhere.
I'm trying to get my own numbered page here.
And I think a win over this guy does that.
It submits me as a legitimate combat sports professional in a time that's full of great athletes, you know, Connor, Khabib, in mixed martial arts.
Oh, yeah.
And, you know, him fighting Floyd.
It's just so much history involved in this fight, the full circle, fighting him again now, becoming the interim champ, switching weight class.
Just so much going into this that I know what a win does for not only me and my legacy, but for my family, their future, financially.
I know what comes with the win, and I'm ready to bear that weight now at this point in my career, man.
Do you feel like, have you guys had any communication?
Yeah.
Me and Connor?
We spoke on social media, kind of got this fight started up.
We were going to do like a, during the pandemic, nothing was happening, and we were going to do like a charity event.
That was real.
He wanted to put that on in Ireland.
And of course, if it was possible, I was going to do it.
And that just kind of came out of the blue, kind of?
I'm not sure how it came.
Maybe I tweeted him or he tweeted me something and then we kind of went back and forth and then boom, it was there.
Because I remember you and I were talking after the Tony, like the Tony thing was going to happen.
They never offered you guys the right money.
It kind of was back and forth.
And then it went away.
And there was that feeling of now, what do I do?
And then this came along.
It was almost like not like a blessing because it's a fight, but it was almost like the most perfect scenario.
It's the biggest fight, besides a title fight in mixed martial arts you can get.
A fight with Connor McGregor.
Maybe even combat sports.
If Mayweather's retired or what's going on, but I mean, those two guys in combat sports right now are probably the biggest opponents you could be standing across the battlefield from.
So to get a fight of that magnitude, I was excited when it came together.
And I know what, like I said, what it brings.
A win over Connor brings a lot more exposure and it brings a title shot.
Do you think like, do you have any keys going into the fight?
Like if we get to this far, then I have this better chance or that I have this different strategy.
I mean, I know some of you might not want to share, but going into it, is there just something?
Because the first fight just ended in the first round, you know, and I'm sure that feels so deflating because you guys were just kind of getting into the dance.
Yeah, I didn't even get to fight.
You know, the fight didn't even get to blossom.
But that's fighting.
Anything can happen under those lights.
I want, if you're talking about game planning, what I want is for us to both be dripping blood and hurting and suffering early in the fight.
Then we can find out who's the real fighter.
That's what I want.
I want to be bleeding with a minute off the first round clock.
I want us both to be bleeding and really have to dig down and see who's the better fighter, see who really wants to be in there.
Because I don't have a safety net.
I want to be in there.
And I know that.
I know that.
And I'd like to find out if he does.
Damn.
Fuck.
And I don't, and that's uncomfortable, you know?
I'm not looking forward to getting busted open, but if we can get the fight to that point to where both of us are tired and bleeding, then we can see who has more grit and who has more want.
And I think I win that fight 10 out of 10 times.
Dang, bro.
Damn.
Yeah, you're one of those psychos, bro.
Sorry, no offense, you're right here, but you're one of those guys that, like, you like to go, it's almost like you're like one of those guys that like repels, like a spelunker.
You like to just repel into the depths of your own freaking darkness, man, and just fucking see what's in there, bro.
Imagine those sticky things back in the day, you'd throw them on the wall and they would kind of like climb down the wall?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like that, into the depths of hell.
No, I. No, but I think you've always said you learned something about yourself there.
I mean, you told me one time that you like in a fight, win or lose, that there's something that coming out of the other side of a fight that you're just a different person.
Yeah, it's like a spiritual pushing yourself and going out there.
And It's hard to explain, but coming out and going through the fire, you're a little bit different every time, I feel.
Do you?
Connor's like a celebrity, you know?
Connor's like a, I mean, he's like the Billy Elliott of Ireland, basically.
And do you, is it different fighting like a celebrity?
Do you feel like?
Like, is there any added thing to it?
Does it feel different than fighting just a fighter?
Maybe on the lead up to it, there's a lot more cameras around this training camp.
There's a lot more interview requests and media requests and all kinds of things like that.
But other than that, the actual fighting part is the fight.
You know, none of that comes in there with you.
So I don't think it's going to be any different.
When the cage locks and the bell rings, it's going to be a scrap.
And at this point in my career, all the extra stuff, like I've been doing this long enough and done so many interviews and videos, and it's not a big deal anymore.
I don't enjoy doing it all.
I like to train.
I don't want the camera there when I'm in training camp, but it was there a lot this time.
But I think this is my sixth main event in a row.
So all these past events have been full of media as well.
So it's just kind of the normal, I guess.
Dude, I don't want the camera there.
They had the camera there today when I was training here at this gym, man, and it was, you know, I'm going to have to rent a wheelchair, man.
It was got a little rocky at the end.
Do you feel, like, when you think back to your first fight with Connor, and if I'm bugging you talking about it, just let me know.
No, dude, nothing's off the table.
I'm comfortable.
Because it's fascinating.
I feel fascinated.
I get to talk to somebody who's about to go fight in the fight.
There's a lot of people fighting after school next month, like this month that nobody gives a fuck about.
There'll be maybe 12 people there.
But this is the after school fight that everybody is going to be at.
Yeah.
Clock strikes noon.
Yeah, man.
I mean, people are going to be there, bro.
I'm going to be sick of this.
I'm stuck in my bag of milk in showdown.
Do you think when you think back to the first time you fought, I mean, were you nervous going into that one?
Do you feel differently going into the fight now?
I feel more confident in who I am.
I know who I am now.
I know what I can take.
I know the depths I might have to go, the uncomfortable limit that might get reached in there.
I'm okay and more understanding of those things and accepting of them.
But yeah, I just, we got to get in there and start moving around and just, I want to get in there and feel the rhythm and feel what's going on.
You know, I'm excited to get in there.
And I don't know what's going to happen.
That's the thing.
But that's why I'm so I'm confident, like I said, in my preparation and the fighter I am.
I know I can trust myself when it gets ugly in there.
But that's why I'm not scared to talk about anything because there's no, it's truth.
Fighting is truth.
Like I can't go in there and then pretend or fake it in there.
You know, what's going to happen is going to happen.
I'm going to win or I'm going to lose.
It's white and black.
There's no gray area.
So I'm not scared to talk about any of those aspects about fights because there's nothing to hide.
You're going to see it.
January 23rd, you're going to spend the 60 bucks on pay-per-view and you're going to see it.
So there's no reason to even try to beat around the bush.
I'm prepared.
I'm focused.
I know I can beat anybody in the world.
I feel like I'm one of the best at 155 pounds walking the earth at this given time.
Damn, bro.
That sounds almost Egyptian when you say it.
I hieroglyphics.
Yeah, and that's just it, man.
A lot of the work has been done.
You've done a lot of the work.
Yeah, and I think a lot of times I was fighting, I was accomplishing things that maybe my skill, but that's tough to say.
My skill level wasn't there yet, but I was beating guys and rising up through the ranks and getting myself in big fights.
But I was just learning on the job, and I'm still doing that.
I'm still learning.
I'm going to learn on the walk to this one.
I've been learning all training camp.
This is a whole new journey.
I have to go to Abu Dhabi.
I have to quarantine in Vegas.
I'm leaving this weekend.
Usually I'm still sparring and still doing strength and conditioning.
Now I'm getting on flights and quarantining.
So it's just a different landscape in 2020 or 2021 to go out and put on one of the biggest events on pay-per-view and fighting.
And I'm just rolling with the punches, you know, and that's just it.
But I'm confident in the work I put in.
And like I said, I know I can beat anybody in the world.
I just have to be mentally in the moment.
That's where this comes down to.
I need to be in the moment to execute.
Execution is worshiped, man.
And I just need to be able to execute that night, you know, 25 minutes.
He can be better than me the rest of the year.
I just need 25 minutes, January 23rd.
That's not even a half hour, though.
Dude, my daughter was conceived in last time.
Oh, damn, bro.
Okay, I believe it, man.
I've done some things myself, but yeah.
Yeah.
But that's just, that's fighting.
That's life.
That's where I'm at.
Mentally, I feel like a lot of years, maybe my physical was here, my mental was catching up, or, you know, but I feel like in the next couple weeks, I'll be 32 years old.
I feel like the physical and the mental has finally started to align, and I'm just at my prime right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, it's just been interesting, man.
Even since you and I have become friends, it's just been interesting where you've just kind of gone as a person.
You know, it's just like we're getting to those ages where you just are, you kind of change a little bit, you know, just kind of come into some comfortability.
Yeah, and a more, like I said, accepting of who I am.
I know who I am now, so I'm okay with the situations I'm in.
I don't know if that, like in my mind, I don't feel overwhelmed or uncomfortable.
I just feel like I'm supposed to be here.
I belong here.
And it fits.
I can totally relate it in a stand-up time.
There used to be times where I would go, like one time I had to get on a show with Bill Burrs about five years ago, maybe, and I had to go before him on a show, and I'm like nervous.
I'm backstage, like going over my jokes in my head, like just, and I'm just nervous.
I'm thinking about everything I'm going to be doing with my body.
And then I go out there and I'm not even really enjoying it.
I'm doing my job and I'm doing it fine.
And it's in a big stage, but I'm not really as present as I would like to be because I'm still in my mind getting comfortable with the size of the environment.
And then now, if I were to go on stage beforehand or, you know, with some of these guys, I just, not that I'm still not honored and I'm still not excited and everything, but I just, I've been there.
The jacket feels like, okay, I know what this jacket feels like.
Yeah, same exact thing.
Like I've been there.
Yeah.
I know this is a different fight, a different stage, more is on the line, but I've been here.
It's I'm acquainted with this uncomfortable feeling and I kind of know what to expect.
And as I'm getting older and more mature, and like I said, I still feel young.
I have another five years of fighting.
Fuck yeah.
10 years.
Yeah.
I feel great, but I know every time I make that walk is one less time that I'm going to be able to make that walk.
So I'm enjoying it more.
You know, when I was young, just fighting and trying to get the win and trying to get the checks and trying to get sponsors and just going crazy in a rush.
Oh, yeah, you know, monster energy all night.
Dude, in a whirlwind of just like caring about everything.
And now I'm just caring about the art of it and the process of the fight.
I'm enjoying that more.
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You've become this good vibe.
You got this whole good vibe tribe going with you now.
Like every time I see your Instagram, you're just feeling good.
You're living like, it's almost like you're like Jimmy Buffett's stepson or something.
You're just having a good time.
It seems like you're loving life.
What do you think is some of the stuff that's going on?
And maybe it's just the stuff you've been talking about.
Yeah.
I'm just happier with reality, I guess.
I don't know what you can say, but I'd be lying if I sat up here and said, I don't have bad days.
You know, we all have bad days.
But I felt like in the last couple of years, I've been able to get more used to slapping myself back in shape, you know, and just seeing the better things.
Just staying in a place of gratitude like we spoke before about.
I feel like it's easier for me to do that because I have so much to be thankful for and grateful for.
And I'm happy about those things.
If I do have those days where I'm kind of down or overworked, I just, you know, I get to do this.
I don't have to.
And I'm happy that I'm in a position to do it.
And like you said, with the foundation and stuff like that, I have so much good things and so much positivity on my back that I'm carrying that I just use that as momentum in every day.
I just feel good, man.
I'm happy with the guy I look at in the mirror.
And I think that's most important.
It's inspiring, man.
I mean, you've definitely, honestly, you've really inspired me over the years, man.
I appreciate that.
That means a lot to me, man.
And I'm not trying to, you know, so thank you.
That means even more.
Yeah, that's what I think people see.
I'm just a man.
Yeah.
Not the man, not he man.
Yeah.
And I'm happy with the guy.
And I'm just trying to do good stuff, man, and fight good fights and work as hard as I can and put my family in a good position.
And it's an incredible ride.
It's all we can all do, man.
Yeah, right.
But I think, yeah, I think that's what some of the inspiration is.
It's like you just see somebody doing kind of like what we can all do if we get up and stay focused and apply ourselves.
I feel like that's the vibe that I get.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate that.
Did you lose your first UFC fight?
You didn't win?
I won my first UFC fight.
You did?
Yeah.
It was actually, it just made 10 years ago the other day.
Wasn't my.
There was some fight I was looking at.
I was just looking through all your fights, and there was one, it was like, for some reason on the chart, they have it.
Maybe my first fight in the WEC?
I don't remember because I was just going to ask you, was it tough to have that first experience where it felt like you didn't get it?
Yeah, the first loss of my professional career was in Las Vegas in the WEC.
And UFC or Zufa owned the WEC.
They eventually absorbed all the fighters and moved them over to the UFC.
But it was like...
Yeah, I lost a decision in my first professional loss.
Was that pretty spooked?
Was it like after, do you feel like after that, did you feel like kind of like, what kind of happened?
Dude, every loss is heartbreaking, but that one hurt me financially because like I was fighting on the local scene.
Hey, you need those bucks, bro.
Yeah, I thought, oh, shit, I'm going to Vegas.
I'm fighting on TV.
I'm about to really make it.
And then your corner's flights get deducted and your medicals get deducted and this and that gets deducted and you lose the fight.
And then you're like, damn, I was making more fighting than 10 minutes from my house.
And I just bought a house, me and my wife.
We were 19 years old.
We bought our first house.
So I had a mortgage.
I had grown man bills, man.
Dude, I was keeping my head above water.
I was riding a bicycle to work and stuff.
Damn.
But the financial part of that, I mean, the loss obviously broke my heart and it hurt.
But the financial part, I thought I finally made it.
I'm in the WC.
I'm signed.
I'm going to Las Vegas to fight.
Oh, I bet, bro.
Show up.
Yeah.
Take that L home with you.
Oh, damn.
Yeah.
Did they give you a special box to put the L in?
Nah, man.
You had to carry it.
Oh, come on, bro.
Didn't they charge me on the plane to bring it back?
It was Spirit.
I flew Spirit.
Dog, dude, I'm no joke.
I saw two dogs fight each other on a Spirit Airlines flight, bro.
About four months ago, I was flying that someone on Spirit, and I knew they were beefing in the line at checking.
I've never flown Spirit, dude.
It's basically like, it's like playing a video game.
It's kind of like the city bus of the air.
It really is.
One guy got off.
One guy halfway through the flight just got off.
It was his dog.
So that blew my mind.
But two people had dogs, bro, and finally they let them go, bro.
And they finished it up, dude.
The pilot comes on and starts the betting odds.
Yeah, dude.
One of them is fighting Henry Cejudo soon, I think, actually.
Triple C. It was definitely, it must have been on some sort of card.
Michael Chandler and Dan Hooker might be on that card with you guys.
I saw that, dude.
That's a great fight and a good test for Chandler to see where he's at in the pecking order of the lightweight division because they're tossing him in the top end, which he should be, man.
You know, he's one of the best 155ers out there.
He's definitely, I mean, he's a hard worker.
I mean, he's done obviously wonderful and bellatory.
He's a really nice guy.
Dude, I've met him.
He actually went out of his way to come shake my hand and introduce himself.
And I was like, man, this seems like a really straight shooter, a really good guy.
Man, he's a nice dude.
And he works so hard.
I mean, all of you guys do, especially at your level.
I mean, it's your full-time job.
What do you think about that fight?
I mean, you haven't fought in Chandler, but you've gotten to fight Hooker.
Do you have any thoughts on that fight?
I think it'll come down to, I think Hooker beats him on the feet.
I do.
And I think the length, you know, Chandler's not a tall guy.
Hooker's really long and a better boxer than I thought he was.
Good timing.
Tough to get his rhythm.
Hooker's a tough fight for anybody.
I think it'll be if Chandler can get the takedowns.
And if he does, can he keep him down?
I think it's going to be a 15-minute fight if it's on the same card as us.
So he might, you know, if he starts getting takedowns and getting dominant position, he might be able to win a decision.
Not saying he can't finish Hooker.
He can finish him, but I would lean towards Hooker on that one, man.
I don't know the odds.
I don't know the odds, but I would give Hooker a slight edge.
Just Annis Chandler's first fight in the UFC.
I'm sure he has a lot on his back, a lot to prove.
But like you said, he's a veteran.
He's been fighting big names and stuff like that for a long time, so I might not even phase him, you know.
What will your quarantine be like?
So I leave here Saturday.
I actually take a COVID test tomorrow morning.
Leave here Saturday.
When I land in Vegas, I take another test.
I quarantine two days there.
After quarantine, I get on a flight to Abu Dhabi.
We fly from Vegas to Abu Dhabi.
When I land there, I get tested again.
It's a nice flight, huh?
They're chartering.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Damn, you going private?
I'm going to be hungry.
I can't eat.
I'll be cutting, you know, starting the weight cuttings.
No way.
You can't be on a plane the whole time.
You can't have a snack?
Dude, a couple almonds.
You can't have nothing?
Nothing.
I mean, we'll see.
Almonds, yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, that's the thing people do.
I might actually fast on the flight.
I might do the flight.
Especially if you go in the Middle East, bro.
Yeah.
Get some dates when I get off.
Oh, yeah.
We'll see.
We'll see.
But land in Abu Dhabi, take a test, quarantine two days there, and then I'm free to move around the hotel that UFC has bubbled off and the training rooms and all the stuff they have there.
I'm not sure what amenities exactly they're going to have, but.
So everybody will be there.
Will you see Connor before the fight, do you think?
Yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure.
Really?
Like at the breakfast bar or something?
Is it that kind of vibe?
Because that seemed weird as hell.
Yeah, I mean, but that's any fight.
Any fight, we usually stay at the same area.
We have press conferences before, so we run into each other before fights.
Dang.
Yeah.
What do you feel like that interaction will be like?
I have no clue.
I mean, we might.
But you don't have any animal.
I mean, you don't have.
No.
But I want to fight.
Yeah.
Man, no, no anger or animosity towards him.
I'm not going to be a dick and go out of my way to try to harass the guy or get in his face.
I'm not really.
We're fighting for money that Saturday, so there's no reason to fucking.
There's no reason to do it early.
There's no reason to freaking be fighting over a yogurt at the damn breakfast.
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's make the money.
Right.
Yeah.
Dang, bro.
How do you see the fight going out?
Do you play it out in your head, kind of?
It must be so hard to wait for that moment.
It is.
God, it's like, if we're all waiting, we're all like, Jesus Christ, you know?
Yeah, just over in your head, the anxiety is so high.
You know, you're just like, the good thing is, like, once your music starts playing and they say your name and you start walking, then it's over.
Like, you know, then you're just doing it.
There's no time to think then.
And that's the best part for me.
Once I start walking and stuff, then it's just, it's go time.
There's no thinking.
It's too late to think.
It's time to react, you know?
Some guys do too much on the walk-in, you know?
They do too much.
It is too much.
They triple pray or something.
Some of that's too much.
Yeah, they have a dance routine.
Some of it's too much.
I don't mind a little for me anyway.
I'm just a regular viewer, but I don't mind a little, but sometimes it's too much, you know?
Yeah, maybe to the casual, like filthy casuals or whatever they call them.
Yeah, whatever it is, that extra stuff might be cool, you know?
Like some guy pulls a dove out under his arm.
They got some mob that, dude.
It's getting pretty flamboyant.
You know, a lot of the, you know, Connor's definitely a guy who's been, you know, he has like the most flamboyance you could have.
I mean, he's the Ric Flair almost.
Yeah, yeah.
He's like the Irish Ric Flair, you know?
And he does it super well.
He is.
I remember, like, there was a time where you and I talked a couple years ago and you were like, that's not really your thing, you know, like trying to be that.
I understand it, but it's just not, it's not your thing.
And did you feel like at a point that maybe you wouldn't be able to get to certain levels of popularity because you didn't have that?
But now you've gotten there with your own way?
Yeah, I'll just keep gunning it out, you know, keep working, keep grinding, and hopefully one day put myself in a position to fight for the belt, which I have.
I'm trying to do it again here.
But I'm not going to go that route.
You know, I understand it.
I understand it's entertainment and stuff like that.
I just don't like it, man.
Yeah.
It's a turnoff for me.
Even when I see other guys do it, I'm like, oh, fuck.
Some of it's too much.
Some people, yeah, they bring a little gig out of gopher or something on them.
They do something.
Yeah.
They're doing wild.
They bring voodoo dolls or whatever.
Yeah, they don't.
There's no limits.
Yeah.
It's getting wild.
Do you feel like it's getting weirder overall, though, or do you feel like in the end it's going to stay kind of where it is?
I think it's going to stay where it's at.
I think since Connor first came on the scene, I've seen a huge rise in it.
You know, like a lot of guys that started trying to beat it.
Yeah, Super Sean's a guy.
He's a guy that likes the pomp and the, you know.
I've seen more of it since Connor became a superstar, you know.
But also you have to be able to fight.
You can't just be a joker out there getting your ass whipped.
Yeah, you can't go out there and juggle a couple times and then get your ass beat.
Then you're at the state fair.
Yeah.
Do you do you, how do you see the fight kind of playing out?
Do you envision that kind of thing?
Like, what do you...
He does those kicks early, remember?
Yeah, he throws a lot of spin kicks, wheel kicks.
He's a good athlete, man.
He's an impressive athlete.
Oh, yeah.
It's almost like it's like watching that capoeira, that Brazilian dance, kind of like he has a lot of that in him.
Yeah, he does.
And he got those long arms.
Good comparison.
A little bit of unpredictability with the spinning kicks and stuff like that and the shoulders and knees.
You know, it's a no-holds-barred fight, though, so those things are expected.
Right.
You know, anything can happen.
But I really feel like I'm going to go out there and be more in tune with the flow in there.
Touch him, make him miss.
And I just want the fight to blossom, and I want to see who's the better fighter.
And like I said, I think we need to be.
I can suffer more.
We need to be damaging each other, and we both need to dig down.
And I want it to be that kind of performance.
I want it to be gritty.
I want to leave a piece of myself in there.
And I want him to do the same, and I want to see who comes out with their hand raised.
I envision a lot of different things happening and the fight going different ways.
But at the end, I always envision me winning, getting back on that long flight home with a win, coming see my daughter.
That feels so good, you know.
And whatever it takes to make that a reality, I'm willing to do.
So let's just go.
Would you kill him?
I don't want to.
I mean, I don't want to.
I don't want to kill anybody.
Yeah, I feel you, man.
Yeah, but that's not a goal.
Yeah, that's not a goal, okay?
I like that.
I respect that, bro.
Yeah, yeah.
You don't want to be that guy.
No.
I don't wish that on anybody.
Yeah, you're right, man.
I shouldn't even ask that.
Yeah, that was you never know.
But if years from now we find out that you were a serial killer in Lafayette, you know, people would be like, I knew it, bro.
He had it in him, you know?
Yeah.
But I never admitted it.
Yeah, but he never admitted it, bro.
Dude, that'd be so gangster.
If you were a freaking USC champion and a serial killer, that's crazy.
Dude, I'm watching the thing on a Unabomber right now.
That dude's fucking weird, man.
Yeah?
Yeah.
He's a weirdo.
Did he seem interesting at all or no?
Yeah, dude.
He lived in a shack out in the woods.
He was mailing bombs and leaving clues and stuff.
Dude, what a weirdo.
Yeah, he took a shit in his neighbor's bathtub and left it.
Dude, I'll tell you a good story.
So my friend used to be a moving man, like a furniture guy, you know?
And he had to work for Regis Philbin one time and move his furniture.
And he said Regis was so rude to him that he ended up taking a crap in his bathtub and left it in there.
Nice.
He ever met out any bombs?
No, he didn't do any of that, man.
No, he never really went to that next level.
Yeah.
Stayed on that.
Yeah.
He stayed on that servant there.
But that's a special place, too, though.
That is, bro.
That's a special place.
Dude, what if you ever, say one day you retire years down the road, 15, 25 years down the road, we should do like some fight campaign or something.
That'd be fun, huh?
If I learned enough about fighting, I'd have to learn a lot more.
Yeah.
You kind of inspired me.
I was like, man, maybe I should do a talk about fighting podcast or something like that.
But then I just thought about all the other stuff I have going on.
And man, I don't know if I can have time to do it.
You could do it later.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got a lot going on.
Because I would love to talk about fights.
Yeah, I really would.
Yeah.
Do you feel like that now?
Do you feel like you kind of, because I remember we talked in the past maybe about school or something.
You were like, I don't know if I would really want to do that.
Do you have any different thoughts on it now?
But you're still like in it, though.
Yeah, and I just signed a new eight-fight contract with UFC.
My plan is to fight eight more times.
You know, I want to finish this contract I'm on, eight fights.
Fight eight more times and we'll see where we're at there.
But I'm not looking past that or before that, I'm going to fight eight more times.
That's crazy, dude.
I don't know if the world can handle eight more.
Dude, I don't know if my brain can.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.
That last one was a rough one, man.
That was a wild part, huh?
I remember, yeah, you came back after.
Oh, yeah.
I thought you were there, bro.
Thanks for coming out.
Oh, no worries, dude.
That was awesome.
That was exciting.
And then you wanted to sit and then we sat and watched the fight, dude.
That was so cool.
That was awesome.
That was really awesome.
Had a good group there.
That was a good group, dude.
What are you guys doing for what were you, what will people in Lafayette be doing for the fight?
I'm not sure.
I know some people are going to bars.
Is there anything big planned?
Is Goodfight doing anything?
We were thinking about trying to get a restaurant like we did for this last fight.
We just haven't locked anything down yet.
We just put together a big thing with the Boys and Girls Club of Acadiana.
Oh, really?
Yeah, we're doing a big thing with them, actually.
Next year, or this year, 2021, we're doing tutors for all of their six locations.
Oh, wow.
For the year, because, you know, social distancing and the learning.
Kids at home, you know, it's been a mess.
So we're going to help them get tutors to the children's homes.
And also transportation to and from the Boys and Girls Clubs for the year, for the kids.
Oh, gang.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm pumped about that.
The Good Fight Foundation is doing that.
And then Connor's donating some money to the Good Fight Foundation, and we're going to open up a gym in Lafayette for the children.
Yeah, for the kids.
Yeah, yeah.
Dude, that's awesome.
So it's just for kids, or is it for white belts also?
They're adults?
We're going to do near 40. Nah, we're going to do kids in school.
But I have a gym there, dude.
You're always welcome with my gym.
Dude, do you have beginners' classes?
Nah, but my buddy's gym does.
Oh, he does?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My gym is kind of like just a private gym.
We just do pro training there.
But my buddy has beginner jiu-jitsu classes and stuff, dude.
I'd love to jump in one if you're back in time.
Dude, that'd be awesome.
I'll put the gi back on.
Would you really?
Yeah, it's been a while.
I haven't put a gi on in a while.
So the training that you do is different than the classes and stuff.
You're training with fighters?
Yeah, mostly.
Sometimes I'm working just with jiu-jitsu instructors if we're working on things.
But beginning of my career, even as a pro, beginning of my pro-career, I would do a lot of gi and stuff because I was in Louisiana and didn't have as much classes to choose from.
I didn't have as many pro fighters around me.
So I would substitute training sessions in regular classes because that's all I had.
I had to learn.
Oh, you see four kids fighting in a remedial reading class in fucking Vermilion Paris.
Yeah, and then I'd ask them to drill that again.
How do you do that again?
And then that's how I learned.
Yeah.
Somebody's beating the vowels into somebody else.
Yeah.
Getting AR reader points and stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it's been a while since I've done just like a Giju Jitsu class.
Oh, yeah, man.
I've been choked out so many times last month.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
It's fun.
It's fun, man.
Right?
Dude, it's so much fun.
I never knew how, like, I leave out of there, dude, and I fucking hope a cop pulls me over.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Because I know it's going to fucking be me or him.
One of us got to go.
I just leave out of there feeling fucking different, dog.
You know?
Yeah.
Like the guy when I get to the gas station, he fucking knows I'm using my, he knows I'm paying card and he knows I'm in and out.
Yeah.
I just feel like you start to get a different little bit of confidence.
You get a different family too, because it's like, you know, you don't realize how big the subculture of jiu-jitsu is unless you're into it.
But like you start training and you get friends and stuff at the gym and then you start going to competitions or talking about jiu-jitsu with them and then you go to barbecues and then you're like, fuck, this is my friends now.
You have a whole new set of family really at the gym.
That's what happened to me.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I was like, damn, these are my family and friends now, you know, just from training with them.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude, I go to this restaurant and I go in there and two of the guys from the MMA class in Nashville both work there.
One of them does the oysters.
This guy on hell, dude, he's fucking Kamora and these oysters open back there, dude.
He's fucking got a crab leg and he's got it in a fucking Marcellus choke, you know?
Yeah.
It's fucking oyster.
Yeah.
But yeah, and one thing I noticed, like, just my confidence, like, I've only been in like maybe 15 classes, so let's don't get, you know, don't anybody come at me.
But I noticed this, like, I used to feel like if I got in a fight, somebody was going to beat me up, but I would also be scared at the same time.
Now I just feel like somebody's going to beat me up.
Right.
I don't feel like I'm also going to be scared.
Yeah.
And that's good.
That's growth.
So it's, yeah, it's just crazy.
And I never, I'll always like, oh, fuck, dude.
Because it would suck to get beat up and be being scared at the same time.
Yeah, yeah.
And then the longer you do it, the next step I think is everything starts to look like a lapel.
Like, really?
This guy's shirt.
He wore a fucking jacket today.
Oh, dude.
Cross-choke you with that.
Yeah, everything starts to look like a lapel.
Oh, this guy's got long eyelashes.
I can wrap him up with that.
I'm going to choke this guy with his mustache.
Oh, yeah.
Everything is a weapon.
Who gets to go with you?
So will Mike Brown and those guys go with you this time?
Yeah, so my boxing coach and kickboxing coach are going to stay behind and catch the next charter.
Mike Brown's going to come with me to Vegas and come with me to Abu Dhabi.
And the rest of my team and my wife will get there, I think, four days after, after I get there.
So it's good.
They'll go through their two-day quarantine when they land, and then we'll all be able to start training and stuff.
But I'll be out there 13 days before the fight.
So I think that'll be enough because we're also fighting early morning Abu Dhabi time.
So at first I thought I need to get out there to get adjusted to the time.
But the cards going live, normal pay-per-view time here.
So 10 Eastern, the pay-per-view goes live.
Wow.
But it'll be whatever it is, 8 or 9 a.m.
What a night of fights.
It's going to be the biggest fight since Trump Biden, I think.
Yeah.
Probably.
Yeah.
It'll be up there.
Or since COVID, Moderna, since that new vaccine came out.
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So what will you do to like adjust like your sleep patterns and stuff?
Will you?
What did you learn last time that you went there?
See, last time we fought on UAE time.
So this is completely different.
Ah, I see what you're saying.
So you're fighting on U.S. time?
I'm fighting on U.S. time.
Last time we fought UAE Russia time.
But is that going to be weird?
You wake up in the morning and then you go fight?
Fucking punches and pancakes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now that's what you should throw in Lafayette.
Punches and pancakes.
Punches and pancakes.
Vietnam, yeah.
But it'll be normal time in Lafayette.
Oh, yeah, shit.
Yeah.
Damn.
Fuck.
We should not come up.
Just keep spitballing here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something will stick, you know?
Something will stick.
Yeah.
But I'm going to start doing some late night runs, like around 12 Eastern.
I'll start doing some sweats.
Keep it up when I go out to Vegas.
And then hopefully when I land there, I'm landing there in the morning.
So I'm going to just get off the plane and start my day.
Try to go to sleep a little early and wake up earlier.
So I'm going to try to get up around like 6, 7 a.m.
Abu Dhabi time when I land out there.
Just to give me a couple hours before I'm going to be fighting Connor, you know?
You don't be yawning.
Yeah, you don't want to be yawning.
That's a bad look.
Yeah.
And Mike Brown and then we'll be able to go?
Yeah.
Oh, that's awesome, man.
So everybody will be there.
Dude, that's freaking fun.
Dude, honestly, and it's exciting because it's a new journey for me with all this quarantine and the hustle of traveling to different locations just to get to the fight.
So I'm excited, man.
Let's start the journey.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know what's going to fucking happen, but let's go.
Yeah, it's going to be fun.
I know that part's going to happen, but all the other stuff is like exciting.
The weight cut and I can't bring my nutritionists with me.
I usually have a team of nutritionists who cook the meals and do all this stuff for me.
So, I don't fucking know.
Damn, bro.
But when will you be able to start eating again?
Oh, after the weigh-in?
After the weigh-in.
So, how long is that weight cut time?
I mean, I'm starting, kind of starting my weight cut now, getting you know, I've been dieting for the last eight weeks hardcore.
I think I came out here at like 182 pounds, maybe.
Yeah, damn, and then I'll be January 23rd or January 22nd.
I'll be 155.
So, you have to lose like 15% of your body.
There's a math thing again.
Yeah, that's true.
And that was a guess.
But it's like, imagine if somebody said, cut your arm off and put your arm somewhere.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
I mean, it's a good bit of weight.
155 is getting tough for me to make now, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Could this be your last fight at 155?
I definitely believe I'm going to fight at 170.
I don't know how many times in the UFC.
I fought at 170 before in my career before, but never in the UFC.
But I think I'm going to fight 170 before this eight fights run out.
I'm going to fight somebody at Walter Wait.
I'm just glad you and I get to have a good conversation before you go through eight more fights.
Yeah.
And the subtitles.
We're having to write stuff on a board and put it back and forth between each other.
And the gym that we're at right now is, this is for weight training.
For strength and conditioning.
Strength and conditioning.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And this is, how did you get in touch with these guys?
So me and Phil, Daru Strong, that's his strength and conditioning facility here.
They gave me this shirt in they trained me earlier.
Yeah, good guy.
I'm sure you'll be sore.
Yeah.
I've been working with him for a lot of fights now.
And he moved into this new location and I just came with him.
He was at American Top Team.
Then he was at a place in Pompano Beach.
He has his place in Port St. Lucie as well.
He has a big gym there, I believe.
And now he has a branch of it here.
And this is the one I come to.
Is there a type of gym you walk into where like, oh, this ain't for me?
Like, it has, like, what does a gym need to have that you like?
I don't really like the meat head.
If we're talking about weightlifting gyms or strengthening addition gyms, I don't really like the meat head persona, like tough guy stuff.
I just like to work and be efficient and try to get better, stronger.
We have like a goal, you know, not just lift heavy shit and make noise.
Right.
If we have a goal, we're working towards a goal.
That's what I want.
Like that Alvin Kamara vibe kind of.
Yeah, six touchdowns.
I know.
That's crazy.
You could have had seven.
Yeah, six touchdowns.
But if you get covered, apparently if you get six touchdowns, you get COVID.
That's what they said.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, that's a good trade-off.
Yeah.
Take it.
I mean, the only one other person has got six touchdowns.
A lot of people recover from COVID.
Yeah.
That's true.
But a lot of people have died as well.
I mean, it's tough.
Yeah.
I'd take my chance, though.
I'd go in for six if they're like, hey, there's COVID in there, but I'm like, I'm going back in.
Yeah, you're diving in.
Yeah.
Do you worry that COVID is a good excuse to get out of a fight if somebody wants to?
Do you think that Connor's the type of guy that would COVID out?
Nah, no way.
He's a real fighter.
He's a real fighter.
Yeah.
He won't, nah.
No way.
But I don't know how you get, how would you get COVID?
I think you could just, I think, find a way to contract, you know, just to get it.
Like, I just think it's like a weird time in history where you can kind of get something to get out of work.
You can get it to get out of things.
It's like people have a way out.
I mean, you know, if they're healthy, they're probably going to be fine.
So it's like.
Dude, I've been trying my best.
Honestly, besides going to that hotel, I go to the grocery store and that's it and to the gym and that's it.
Oh, really?
I really try.
Yeah.
Even when I'm running outside and somebody's on the sidewalk, I'll go in the street.
They'll run around them.
Yeah.
I'm just trying not to breathe that.
Oh, damn.
Well, I got tested a couple of weeks ago anyway.
Yeah.
I'm getting tested tomorrow morning.
Damn.
Yeah.
Zoom on a Zoom call.
Really?
They're testing over Zoom now?
Yeah.
What do they do?
Just guess if you have it?
I have a package.
Oh, my God.
I got to do it on real name.
Yeah, and I got to open it in front of them and send it right off.
Wow, that's crazy, man.
They just guess if you have it.
Ms. Cleo's actually on the other side.
Put the stick in your nose, darling.
Tell us, okay, so before you go, man, dude, I love the new hot sauce.
And I'll be honest, I did not think I was going to like it just because everybody sells stuff now.
Right.
And I got it.
You got to save 10%.
Yeah.
Yep.
And, dude, what I find is, because I make basic meals.
I don't know.
I get turkey meat and get some spinach, mix it together, douse it with the Porriers, bro.
It is good, dude.
It's a perfect sauce for me because it's hot, but it doesn't burn you out at all.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not too heavy.
If you eat a bunch back-to-back bites of just sauce on something, it'll get a little hot, but it's not bad at all.
The flavor is what I'm happy with and proud of, man.
It's really good, bro.
Like if I'm doing eggs, if I'm doing anything, I'm like, oh, it's a perfect sauce, man.
Yeah, I'm proud of it, man.
And I want to keep going.
I want to do more things.
I want to have a Louisiana barbecue sauce, a couple other things right, you know.
Because you like to cook.
I love to cook.
I love to cook.
Yeah.
People don't know that, man.
I love to cook, dude.
I want a cooking show, man.
I've watched you go six or seven rounds with a brisket, bro.
Oh, dude, I can throw down.
Oh, yeah, dude.
I love that.
I can throw down with the brisket.
I got the smoker at the house, man.
I'd love to see you beat the shit out of a fucking bag of shrimp, dude.
No problem.
Dude, we're so excited for you, man.
We're going to make a $1,000 donation to Good Fight Foundation.
Incredible, dude.
That's going straight towards Boys and Girls Club.
So thank you.
Dude, that is awesome, man.
And just thank you so much for spending time with us here today, man.
Always cool, bro.
Thank you for getting Phil to help me get a workout in.
Yeah, dude, we just wish you luck, man.
We'll be cheering you on, brother.
Thanks, man.
Godspeed.
Three weeks.
It goes down.
It's crazy, huh?
Let's go.
I can't fucking wait.
Let's go.
Ain't nothing to it but to do it.
Amen, man.
Now, I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.
I can feel it in my bones.
But it's gonna take a little time For me to set that parking brake And let myself unwind Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me And I will find a song
I will sing it just for you And I will find a song I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of my past.
And these wheels that I've been riding on, they're walls so thin that they're damn near.
I guess now they just weren't built to lay.
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