Subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts http://bit.ly/ThisPastWeekend_ Theo sits down with Coach Jason Brown from Netflix’s hit docuseries Last Chance U. Check out his book ‘Hate Me Now, Love Me Later’ https://www.amazon.com/Hate-Me-Now-Love-Later/dp/195086006X This episode brought to you by… Bombas Buy your Bombas at https://BOMBAS.com/THEO get twenty percent off your first purchase Dollar Shave Club Get your Ultimate Starter Set for just $5 at https://DollarShaveClub.com/THEO Ziprecruiter Try for free at https://ziprecruiter.com/TPW Find Theo Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiEKV_MOhwZ7OEcgFyLKilw Producer Nick https://instagram.com/realnickdavis Music “Shine” - Bishop Gunn http://bit.ly/Shine_BishopGunn Gunt Squad www.patreon.com/theovon Name Aaron Rasche Adam White Alaskan Rock Vodka Alex Hitchins Alex Person Alex Petralia Alex Wang Alexa harvey Andrew Valish Angelo Raygun Annmarie Reilly Anthony Holcombe Ashley Konicki Audrey Hodge Ayako Akiyama Bad Boi Benny Ben Deignan Ben in thar.. Benjamin Herron Benjamin Streit Bobby Hogan Brandon Brandon Kirkman Carla Huffman Charles Herbst Christina Peters Christopher Becking Claire Tinkler Cody Cummings Cody Kenyon Cody Marsh Crystal Dakota Montano Dan Draper Dan Perdue Danielle Fitzgerald Danny Crook David Christopher David Smith David Witkowski Dentist the menace Diana Morton Dionne Enoch Doug C Dusty Baker Fast Eddie Faye Dvorchak Felicity Black Gillian Neale Ginger Levesque Grant Stonex Greg Salazar Gunt Squad Gary J Garcia J.P. Jamaica Taylor James Briscoe James Hunter Jeffrey Lusero Jenna Sunde Jeremy Weiner Jim Floyd Joaquin Rodriguez Joe Dunn Joel Henson Joey Piemonte John Kutch Johnathan Jensen Jon Blowers Jon Ross Jordan R Josh Cowger Josh Nemeyer Joy Hammonds Justin Doerr Justin L justin marcoux Kennedy Kenton call Kevin Best Kirk Cahill kristen rogers Kyle Baker Lacey Ann Laszlo Csekey Lawrence Abinosa Leighton Fields Luke Bennett Madeline Garland Mandy Picke'l Mariah Marisa Bruno Matt Nichols Meaghan Lewis Mike Mikocic Mike Nucci Mike Poe Mona McCune Nick Roma Nikolas Koob Noah Bissell OK Qie Jenkins Ranger Rick Robyn Tatu Ruben Prado Ryan Hawkins Ryan Walsh Sagar Jha Sarah Anderson Scoot B. Sean Scott Secka Kauz Shane Pacheco Shannon potts Shona MacArthur Stephen Trottier Suzanne O'Reilly Theo Wren Thomas Adair Tim Greener Timothy Eyerman Todd Ekkebus Tom Cook Tom Kostya Tugzy Mills Tyler Harrington (TJ) Vanessa Amaya Victor Montano Vince Gonsalves William Reid Peters Yvonne Zeke HarrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Today's episode is brought to you by Gray Block Pizza.
Gray Block Pizza is in Los Angeles at 1811 Pico Boulevard on the way to the beach.
Gray Block, get that hitter.
Today's guest is a man that I've wanted to come in for probably about a year, I guess.
And he is, you know him from Last Chance You.
He's quite a polarizing figure.
I mean, if he were in the wilderness.
If he were in the wilderness, he would be a polarizing bear.
He's also the author of Hate Me Now and Love Me Later.
It's a new book.
You can get it on Amazon.
Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Jason Brown.
I'll set myself on my eyes.
Shine that light on me.
I'll sit and tell you my stories.
What's up, Slap Dicks, man?
That's probably my favorite.
Is it?
Yeah, because I grew up, man, we had a coach, man, and he would always call us numb nuts all the time.
He'd be like, you jackasses.
He'd be like, get your dick out each other's butts and get out here.
That's what he'd say.
He'd come in the locker room and say that.
No doubt.
Hey, Slap Dick's been around.
Slap dicks been around.
Around a long time, man.
Coach Jason Brown, nice to see you today, man.
Man, I appreciate you having me.
Yeah, it's an honor, man.
It's a pleasure, man.
I'm hot off the second season of y'all's show.
Okay, good deal.
I haven't watched it yet, man.
I haven't watched the first one.
Really?
Nah.
I've seen bits and pieces here and there, but not.
Let's get you closer.
Sorry, let's get a little closer.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Yeah, don't be afraid to eat it like this.
Okay, gotcha.
Right up on it.
Okay, yeah.
How many of the players are I mean, how much coaching are you able to do at the Juco level?
And how much of it is just like sheep herding, just guys who are just real, just fucking?
Good question, man.
A lot of people don't ask that question.
They don't realize what.
Just Muppets, bro.
I'm sure you get some Muppets at that level.
I grew up around Muppets, so I know what it's like to be around them.
No doubt.
You don't coach a lot, man.
People don't realize.
I can coach with anybody in the country.
And now they'll tell you the D1 guys that know me.
You know, I grew up, I got my name as a coach.
Exes and O's, a lot of people stole things from me offensively.
Won't get into that, but became a, once you get the head job, which I've had a few of them, you become a manager now.
And in Kansas, at independence, man, I didn't have the opportunity to hire an offensive coordinator because we didn't have the resources.
So since that was my baby, I said, you know what, screw it.
I'll run the O, hire, spend more money on defensive side or hire an offensive line coach.
So I did those things where you compare that to Buddy Stevens' first year or two years on the show.
He didn't do much of any coaching at all.
He manages well and he had that thing rolling.
I was in the process of building like he did, but he's been there 10 plus years.
I was there year one starting this program.
So I said, let me take the offense.
He's got the resources built up to where he could hire some coaches and pay them.
And so was there a reason why suddenly some of that, the finances wasn't there?
Just were never there.
And what we got going there, shoot, man.
The money that we raised, me and my boss, Tammy, we came up with a lot of money to get some decent coaches that we could get, but we still had shoot.
So I'd average about 15 to 17 coaches a year, more than anybody in Juco.
And probably eight of them were unpaid.
So they were guys that I gutted and worked hard.
But shoot, 17 of them got D1 jobs too in three years.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, you know.
Hate me not love me later.
Yeah.
Look, man, well, that's the book, right?
That's the book.
That's the book, man.
I appreciate this copy.
No doubt.
But how much of it, like, when you get a lot of these players, because at that level, it's a lot of players that have already had a first and second chance, kind of, or is that not the case?
Is it a lot of guys who you're able to go and get them right out of high school and bring them in directly?
So I get three types of kids.
Okay.
All right.
So one is the high school non-qualifier.
He didn't qualify out of high school.
He was a Division I prospect.
Yeah.
Didn't have the grades.
I go get those kids.
Best of the best of those kids.
The second type of kid is a D1 kid that went to the four-year.
So went to Alabama, went to Georgia, wherever, and flunked out, smoked weed, got kicked out, had some type of charge.
And they're already at these universities.
I'm sorry.
And the third one?
What's the third one?
And then the third one is the kid that's at the D1 as well, who's a good kid, good grades, does everything right, isn't playing the amount of time he wants to play, and says, you know what, screw it.
I want a shot to go get re-recruited, comes to me.
And that's a Jonathan Banks that played at Tulane, or he was at Kansas State, actually.
So came from Kansas State to me, back to Tulane.
So those are what we call 4-2-4 kids.
They were at a four-year, came to a two-year, and went back to a four-year.
Okay.
So we get a lot of those.
So they're coming down to get the tape, to get the fit, to get the stats, and then go back up to another place where they can start work immediately.
No doubt.
And I've had, you know, last year alone, we had 28 D1 transfers.
And, you know, nobody in the country has that, but only eight of them played.
So usually you think about it, a lot of those kids are broken.
They're far, far, they're probably, we call damaged goods.
So can I, the D1 coach that sends me those kids.
Yeah, because you're hurting sheep, and some of the sheep have like prison turns.
Oh, yeah.
Like, damn, this sheep's tattered up.
No doubt.
No doubt.
And I got it, and I got to fucking massage them.
I know.
That's what I'm saying, bro.
You're trying to make veal out of lamb.
You know, that's wild.
Chicken salad, chicken shit.
But, you know, we get it going, man.
You know, the D1 coach sends me the kid over most coaches because of the fact they know my reputation proceeds itself as far as when my kid leaves me, he don't fuck up at the next level.
Really?
He don't get kicked out.
So 222 kids, which I'm most proud of, Division I in my coaching career, never had a kid get kicked out of a four-year or go to jail.
That left me.
That left you and went to a four-year?
Nope, never.
Is that, you don't see a lot of that on the show?
No, I know.
I know.
They don't show a lot of that stuff.
They don't really, we had 101 kids sign scholarships in three years there, which is nothing close to that.
And they don't show that really.
They don't show all the names.
To put it in perspective, the first year show, last year, when we won it, five kids they showcased.
Emmett Gooden, Rakeem Boyd, Malik Henry, Bobby Bruce.
They don't show the other 40 kids that signed Division I. There's 40 kids signed D1 that year.
I see.
so yeah, you're only getting a taste.
And is that because they only chose those kids to do the kids kind of like do an initial interview and then they're like, okay, these are the ones that we want to focus on?
They do.
They spend tons of time early on trying to find who their guys are going to be.
The storyline.
And so, you know, it's unfortunate.
Like, Jermaine Johnson this year was at Georgia.
Yeah, yeah.
Number one player in the country.
Coy Dang, the number two player in the country who's at Cal.
We had both of them.
And you never even saw Coy.
You didn't see him at all.
So is it because they didn't fucking rob McDonald's or is it they didn't have the broken life that a lot of the other ones did?
Who knows?
They kind of stayed out the limelight.
They just did their business, handled it, and got on.
But, you know, we sent a kid to Cal Berkeley, Coi Ding.
Wow.
And we sent a kid to Vanderbilt in the same season last year, a kid named Dante Carey Williams.
That's never happened in junior college ever.
Send a kid to Vanderbilt and Cal.
The reason I say that is, I don't know if you know, Cal Berkeley and Vanderbilt are probably the two highest prestigious academic schools in the country.
Juco kids don't go to those two schools.
Right.
So you're saying that, yeah, a lot of the work that you do, the show obviously doesn't reflect that.
Nah, not at all.
It's just not part of their story.
Yeah, not part of the story.
You know, it's Hollywood.
They got to make the right ratings.
And, you know, if I'd have known going in and did some more research, because, you know, Greg Whiteley, the producer, does a great job.
I think he depicts it the way that I don't think he's out to screw me or anybody.
I just think that you could be the best filmmaker in America, and he's a great one.
He filmed Mitt Romney for all those years, and that documentary he did and Netflix.
He had a lot of shows.
Oh, Mitt Romney with the, who did the climate change?
Was that Mitt Romney?
No, that was.
Is Mitten?
Is it first name?
Mitten?
I don't even know who the fuck is.
I don't even know who the fuck it is.
But no, that was that other dude, Gore, wasn't it?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I think that was Gore, but one of those fucking guys.
Slap the global warming deal.
But Mitt Romney, I guess, was running for president or whatever.
I don't know.
I don't know if it's.
But he did his documentary, The Same Deal.
You know, it looks like they've done a great job.
Yeah, he did a great job filming it.
I just don't know if he knows the complete inside, the intricacies that go into junior college kids, the broken home background, the coaches' backgrounds.
They're broken.
They're just fucking Muppets.
Coaches, too.
We're broken.
And I think you'd have to be to spend time around, you know, to be in that environment and not get so affected by it.
And a lot of people don't know your, so your story, you're from California, right?
Yep.
You grew up in Compton, right?
And you played quarterback.
Yep.
Quarterback whole life.
Yeah.
And so what was some of that like growing up?
Like what was some of like did you have like a role model kind of and were your folks around what was your vibe?
You know I had my pops and mom around they divorced when I was young and they're both white yeah both white both white living with end up choosing leaving my dad so we went on and all over the place in California though and then he was a truck mechanic diesel mechanic and you know liked to drink and come home fall asleep and you know probably why they divorce to be honest but oh yeah yeah you know how that goes he was a rough neck and so I love diesel bro yeah that's what he did but and then so I had those guys it
wasn't like I didn't have the support they were there they were there for me it was just one of those deals where I was kind of on my own the whole time doing my own thing man yeah you seem like you got to like to do your own thing yeah so yeah some of it is you just making your own choices some of those environments make you become that person product of your environment yeah you know I'm a chameleon they call me man I can go into walk into any any type of any home any background walk down any street in the country in my opinion and I think that real recognizes real yeah and they know I'm not fucking with that guy yeah I
like that shit yeah you seem like a guy that would fucking hit somebody with a sword bro yeah I mean you know see years ago I used to I used to look that shit up did you hope somebody hope somebody looked at me I just you know I just think that they knew yeah nowadays you know they still know but I'm not looking it up back in the day I would look at you a little longer you know but you know you got to grow you got to mature man you know yeah yeah you got to be brave I think you know I think you got to be brave in certain
type of environments you know no doubt no doubt and I think me you know I lived in a car man for 18 months growing up what kind of car was it shit I don't know I don't even know who the car it was oh yeah old Camaro or something dude I got hit hit up by ants and shit too bad luckily it wasn't back east where it got cold because I don't think the car had windows but you might have froze out dude I uh I got hit by a trans am when I was three dude beautiful too my mom had a trans am did she yeah this one was silver dude my dad was more excited about the car bro you know what I'm saying my mom's
over there making sure I'm all right my dad's asking no my dad's asking me where he got it I had a Buke Riviera 63 Riviera man got ran off the road by some got chased man and being a knucklehead man some gangsters was chasing us and we had and we had to get out of there and got hit by a car and ruined it by popping piss man it was his baby damn shit happened um the show do you like after your second season with the
show do you did you have a different view of hollywood coming out of it kind of did you have a different yeah uh you know i didn't know so i didn't watch it i was like i'm not gonna watch myself and so really nah yep exactly i have seven watched the first year dude because you seem like the guy that will watch you nah nah what happened was they sent us the show early right before anybody and they were like so me and my boss watched the first three episodes i think uh-huh to get ahead of it pr wise oh that makes sense so
the town folks and everybody the haters we knew how to combat whatever was going to be brought our way right and that's why we watched it a bit but i i was even like cringing in my own skin like i don't want to watch myself like it's crazy well what didn't you was there any specific thing specific you didn't like about yourself i mean i know what some of that is like you know but uh but is there anything specific for you that you kind of i i thought there was a so much shit left out that it was just they're they're they were kind of pegging me out to be this guy that was result
oriented so i was just doing everything that whatever whatever to win at all costs right and so they i think they put that out there and then uh can you do anything else at that level though no you can't and that's why like these guys aren't staying like they're not staying there for four years nobody's gonna stay for yeah nobody's looking to stay in the community unless they get arrested it looks like i get them six months to 18 months max 18 mostly six though because i got mostly d1 transfers and all i'm doing i'm having them six months and sending them right back the
18 month kids are the good high school kids that didn't qualify that i get so that's a little bit different a little different those are a lot those are a lot of those kids went d1 a lot of those kids majority of those kids are the ones who made it see the show the first show don't show the 35 other guys that signed d1 delrick abrams at colorado who will be a draft wow uh dj williams who's a who's a um who's a jim thorpe award nominee this year wow really show him at you they don't see you don't see all those guys man because if you see that full picture it definitely gives a little it
changes really the scope of i think how people um so many guys i mean you know we ray buford's at new mexico state who was at who was a transfer um he was at um minnesota we brought him in he had some back background issues that that was a bs deal i had three kids that left minnesota over a big-time rape scandal they didn't do it it's cold up there you know what i'm saying and that's a joke yeah that's a joke so i i got him oh you gotta get a little closer okay and i got them there right and fixed them and got them re-recruited and a lot of d1s wouldn't
have touched that situation and the title ix deal now they don't want to touch it yeah and my reputation though of when i put my name on a kid those d1 coaches know this guy he ain't around you like a used car you're almost like you're running a used car lot no it is and they know if my word is on it that i'm it's it's reputable and my kids are going to do right and they're they're they're all thriving all 35 of those other kids other than the five they showcase yeah all started at the d1 so so why don't they want to tell me why is it isn't there because i feel like that story is also very attractive to me
it like gives me more of a full picture of what you're of what a coach is dealing with at that level no doubt they i you know they don't show the things i wish they showed the four-year school comes in there the division one coach tons of them were the most recruited junior college in the country they'd come in there and talk to my boss and say the players have their pants pulled up i don't hear him saying the word bitch i don't see him doing these things they look us in the eye they shake our hand that isn't not being taught at any other juco and
he goes those guys line up at practice to shake our hands and he goes it's taught it's clearly taught and uh i wish they would show at least coaches talking to my boss about it and showing people that you know we're we were different and that's the reason those so many guys went on and those guys are thriving now at the four-year roaqueen boys at arkansas yeah he'll be probably top two or three running backs picked in the draft um he's a uh doke walker uh nominee so we got kids that are being division one nominees for big awards you know what i mean yes i mean who knows he could be a heisman
candidate so you know go we got kids all over now what type of pride can you grab me a water too and jason one as well thanks what type of i mean that must be a that must be a really amazing feeling when you see that kind of go on like what's that like for you as a as somebody that's been a part of their journey man that's what gets me off you know what i mean wins and losses don't mean deadly shit to me in junior college do you know who played for the national championship in junior college last year um i would say mcni stata and that would be a guess no juco oh uh i have no idea that's exactly so
that's my point nobody knows and cares about junior college and what they did and um you know the the pot the bottom line is it's about can i mold this young boy and turn him into a man so he don't fuck up at the four-year and those coaches get a quality kid and product and they're good community members and all those type of things that's what makes me allows me to sleep at night and i've done that better than anybody in the country and those d1 coaches know that's about that that's what i'm about and that's why they'll take the risk kid that a lot of people wouldn't take they'll call me and say coach how has he been
since he's been with you i know he got kicked out at minnesota coach he's been a stand-up straight shooter you know and do you shoot those guys straight all the time or do you you would you uh you know bend the truth a little bit nah never never um because you know i've sent so many guys on they come to me and they know and then you know ultimately that's how guys get jobs but at the end of the day i didn't need the d1 coach they needed me the kids i don't need the kids they needed me and at the end of the day i held all the cards because i had the best player in the country and i'm getting them graduated faster than anybody in america and
you know we got guys everywhere that we'll probably have 10 to 12 guys get drafted next year off these two shows and uh nobody can say that and do you get like any type of like um any type of kickback is there anything where coaches are trying to give you like look can you steer this guy more my way do you ever it don't happen man that's a you know it never really happened with me um i you hear those stories and the blue chip movies of the world and the program and all those movies oh yeah they show that shit but you know it's not happening uh that i see a lot of you
know that coaches that you have relationships with you you you know i i try to tell the kid okay listen don't go be the other guy be the guy so don't go to alabama if you're going to be fourth string right go to fucking mcnee state and start and get film and you still get drafted football bj sams man bj sams is a great player i think he went to mcnee state and look all those guys that went to troy and all those guys that are in the nfl so it's not you don't have to go to those places every every place has a every kid has a place i think um there's
a place for everyone and i don't know if uh but our kids they did go to those places because we had the best players in the country so um it wasn't easy to play for our guys we had transfer from san diego state san jose state couple running backs they didn't even make our red shirt team and they started at those four those are d1s they started at so that's the difference in talent yeah yeah so a lot i imagine then that it gets the players that come in that aren't that great or i mean the level of competition must be pretty severe
then a lot of times at practice and stuff or the beginning of season i'll break it down like this i'll tell you like this we had um 101 kids go d1 28 of them never played it down for me damn and uh we had a we had a d-tackle redshirt that signed with south carolina so that tells you the talent so they're going against the best o-line in the country every game as our scouts are our o-line guys that signed division one that didn't never played for us are going against emitgooden that's starting at tennessee yeah jermaine
johnson so those guys are good but they just weren't quite good enough to play for us and those guys got scholarships because i'm pushing them out because i'm graduating them so fast i'm getting them out so they can now go to the four-year and Have four years to play three instead of having the red shirt stick around, waste two years.
I'm getting them out if I can get them graduated and they have enough film on practice because we film everything.
Right.
They got practice film going against our guys that they're signing D1.
Yeah, we don't even see that.
Is there, but how many of the players do you keep tabs on after?
Is it such a river of players going by that you're able to really follow up with many?
No, I stay in touch with them, man.
I know statistically speaking, I keep track of all those accolades, kind of.
I know how many kids I sent on.
I know how many kids, out of those 222 kids, man, 126 of them have earned their bachelor's.
26 of them have earned their master's.
Those are things I care about.
The show makes it look like half of them can't even fucking read.
They can't.
So the truth of the matter is, those guys can't read.
And I try to tell these people, these academic so-called professors, you know, I was told that a kid told, a guy told me, a professor at Independence when I took a job, I met with the teachers and I told them, these are my expectations.
My kids are going to sit in the fucking front row.
They're not going to have hats and headgear on.
They're not going to play on their cell phone.
Coaches are going to be walking into class because they're going to check every single kid.
And so it's an investment.
So I'm letting you guys know.
If anything's different, let me know.
So I tried to build a relationship that way.
So it's a couple weeks into school and the teachers are like, man, it's the most engaged.
I've ever had a football program.
It's unbelievable.
And then there's this guy in the back on his phone.
He's a professor.
And I go, and he tries to raise his hand.
I go, well, first of all, I wouldn't take your hand in my class because you're on your phone.
So I'm just, you know, they didn't like me.
But he goes, well, coach, Emmett Gooden can't take notes.
He knows how to take notes.
He won't pass my class.
I said, well, fuck.
Do you think Richard Sherman knew how to catch a football until I taught him?
So like, people don't realize like, you got to teach these dudes.
So I told him, this is what I told him.
I said, Emmett Gooden did not turn down Notre Dame to come to independence.
I said, I don't think you fucking turn down Notre Dame either to come to Independence to teach.
How about we teach these cats?
And that's where there's a chapter in my book called Playing the Game.
So I teach these kids how to play the game because the academic side of this thing is a game.
And I don't believe this thing isn't built on intellect, man.
It's built on, and I mean life.
I think the kids, if you're good community kids, good-hearted kids, you're mean right, you do well, I think it's built on that and how you treat folks.
If the teachers are going to work with you, then you're going to figure it out.
Yeah, you sit in the front, you go see the teachers in their office hours, after hours.
You sit in the front.
And this is what I tell kids all the time.
I said, you know, you're going to sit in the front row and have a relationship with these teachers.
Dress appropriate.
Sit in the front.
Be engaged.
Ask a question.
Everything I've been teaching these guys since I've been a coach.
And the guy in the back on the cell phone, and compared to the guy in the front, when they go talk to the teacher at the end and the teacher sees you, which one do you, the difference between a B and a C is a bubble on the teacher has the, the man with the pin at the end wins.
Yeah.
And so he's trying to favor.
He's going to favor that B over that C. And then if you're in the back, a D or an F, you're going to get the F. So I tried telling it's a game.
Got to play the game.
Play the game.
It's almost a little, it's a little bit of that with everything.
Everything.
You got to play a little bit of the game.
It's not who you know, it's what you know in life, man.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's at least a good mix.
I screwed that up.
It's not what you know, it's who you know.
Yeah.
So that's, that's just how it goes.
Well, look, man, I fucking love when you screw your shit up, man.
Dude, so many people love your personality, man.
It's almost like it reminds me of, it's like Barnum and Bailey, kind of like a little bit of like the guy that runs the circus, you know?
But kind of like, kind of like a, like, I don't want to say like a wig of Barnum and Bailey.
And I, some of them use the term wig in here, but, um, but yeah, like a, uh, I'm trying to think about what it is.
It's almost like.
So Michael Rappaport, a good friend of mine.
Of course.
I saw that.
Yeah.
I even knew you.
He said, I'm the most entertaining guy since Sopranos.
And so he was like, and that's a made-up guy.
He goes, you're a real guy.
And so, you know, you know, Greg Whitey, man, he's a producer.
He chose to pick us, you know, for whatever reason.
I didn't know why.
And I said, you know, I asked him one day, I said, why did you pick me?
For your personality, right?
And he goes, you know, you're the most unfiltered guy I filmed in 20 years.
And I said, well, all right.
Then why then towards the end of the second season, they make it look like that's the reason why they don't want or why, is it just they had to make a show or do you think they had something against you?
No, they didn't have nothing against me.
Yeah, nothing like that.
Yeah, me and Greg have a lot of respect for each other.
You know, the thing is, I asked him, I said, you know, at the end of the day, why did you want to come here?
And he goes, well, this is a specific story.
And Bobby, it involved Bobby Bruce, the kid on the show.
Yeah, and Bobby's very, you really get engaged with him.
Yeah, and I, you know, it's like a son to me.
And I said, listen, so I bring him in and I'm ripping his ass.
And I, and, and Greg, and they go film him.
And right afterwards, he walks down, you know, moping.
And they're like, how do you handle it, Coach Brown?
How do you stand for this?
Why are you going to show up to practice tomorrow on time?
Why do you continue to show up to everything on time?
He goes, because Coach will get us if we're not there.
He goes, yeah, but he just called you a motherfucking whatever.
He goes, oh, really?
He goes, my mom calls me worse than that.
And then he goes, well, Coach Brown called you this, this, and this.
He goes, yeah, but he loves me.
Yeah.
So that kind of, I think, teary-eyed Greg, and I think chose him to stick with me because, but I wish that would have been shown more.
Right.
Now that you look at it.
Right.
They don't show that as much.
They don't show that as like, and that's kind of like what podcasting is.
It's like we, you know who people are, and then it's not about everything that they say.
What's the most watched thing on social media?
Fights.
Oh, yeah, fights.
They don't show the doggy being walked.
You know what I mean?
So everybody wants to.
I don't know.
Sometimes them cats, bro, they got a one cat pushing a muffin across a gymnasium I saw the other day.
You talk about cats fighting, though.
That's when it really rubber eats the road.
Oh, yeah.
Two cats fighting over a scone.
It's a rat.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, they want that justification.
Sorry to interrupt the episode.
Look, I've been accused of a lot of things, but I've never been accused of soxual harassment until now.
How often do you think about your socks?
Huh?
Be honest.
And I know some of you Cretans out there who just love to lock yourself in the back office and smell your own feet and just hold your toes open and just get a Big front huff of that hoof smoke.
You feel me.
If you're like I am, you probably think about your socks a lot.
But I recently discovered socks that change the way I think about my entire existence.
And they are bombas.
Bombas are socks that, I mean, they're just so stylish, they're so comfortable.
If you walk by a flamingo, they'll start following you if you're wearing bombas.
They love a fancy sock.
Sometimes lightning will even strike near you because lightning wants to get a look at your feet.
Bombas are the most comfortable socks in the history of feet.
If you go back to the beginning of feet, you'll see that.
They're made from super soft natural cotton, and every pair comes with arch support, a seamless toe, and a cushioned footbed that's comfy, but not too thick.
They know what they're doing.
They're not just aimless socks.
With many colors, patterns, lengths, and styles, bumbas look great in the gym, at the office, and out on the town.
Ooh, who's the guy with all the flamingos following him?
Bambas are what feet daydream about.
And for every bumbas purchase you make, bumbaz donates a pair to someone in need.
Buy your bumbas at bumbaz, b-o-m-b-as-com slash theo and get 20% off your first purchase.
That's bombbas.com slash th-h-e-o for 20% off.
B-O-M-B-A-S.com slash Theo.
Get the bombas.
Get them on your feet and watch the flamingos flock.
Did you start to become more a character of yourself in the second season?
And I don't know if you cannot become more of a character yourself.
I mean, I noticed it even on stage in performance.
Like you do a show and then you start to watch yourself and then it's like, oh, well, is this kind of what I am?
Nah, you mean like if I was trying to act a little different?
Well, just if you notice at certain times, like, okay, right now, like, I'm.
Yeah, I know they're filming me.
Nah, you see on the show, I don't know if they put it in, but on one of the episodes, I think they talked about, but I ripped the staff or the coach or the kids.
I bring them in, rip the coaches and the kids, and I basically was like, I don't give a fuck about these damn cameras, and then you get the fuck out.
But is that how you really felt, though?
Yeah, we were losing.
And, you know, I think the kids, I knew that our team had gone Hollywood.
We played 10 games last year.
We were better than all 10 teams by far athletically.
Yeah.
It wasn't even close.
Garden City played for the national championship last year.
That's the team I was formerly at.
We were beating them 21-0 within four minutes.
That's the team we had, and it wasn't even close.
They played East Mississippi for the national championship last year.
And that just showed you we lost six days out the week, where every other year I've coached, we've won six days out the week.
And if you ask what that means is my teams usually win six days, meaning we don't steal at Walmart.
We handle study hall.
We kill the weight room.
We kill practice.
We're good in the community.
We didn't have that last year.
I cut 36 kids, fired seven coaches.
We had such a bad nucleus of kids and coaches that wanted to be on camera.
Right.
So you get a lot.
Yeah, you get a lot of people that want to be hollow.
We had 200 kids show up that we didn't know who the hell they were, no one prior engagement.
And they get there and we find out, oh, fuck, because of cameras.
And we just drove from New York.
You better fucking drive your ass back.
You're not coming here.
Well, they enrolled in classes, unbeknownst to us, prior to them arriving.
So the schools there thrive on, they need FTE, which is full-time enrollment.
They need that to survive.
So they're loving it.
They're loving the enrollment and they think, oh, the show's going to bring these kids.
Well, guess what?
Those kids were fucking cancerous as shit because they were horrible.
They didn't belong there, player or person.
They didn't care.
They just wanted to be on camera.
And so they're in the dorm with our kids because we all live on campus, those kids.
So they're in there just cancering them up.
And you know, it takes one bad apple to ruin a bunch.
So that's what happened this year.
So you're telling me that's what people, these naysayers, that's cut you off?
Oh, coach can't coach this year.
Well, so I just fucking forgot all of a sudden how to coach.
9-2 to 2-8.
I mean, okay, I forgot to coach.
Talent wasn't much different.
Well, why weren't you getting help?
Like, if there's stuff like that going on, like that there's such a larger element that that's, I mean, it's something no other coach is going to have to deal with because you have the cameras there and because you have this attention, the spotlight.
And then the first year, though, we had coaches that were a couple more guys that were at Division I programs that were coaching with us for a year.
Now they're back at D1s.
Those guys were holding them to the fire a little more.
And they did what we, the one-tongue language that I call it.
We all had this one-tongue language in the program.
It's our way.
You're going to do it or not.
This past year, though, we had coaches that wanted to be the kids' friends and that type of shit.
And that don't work.
We don't go to the club with these kids.
It's not our buddies.
We're trying to mentor you and mold you into something bigger.
And these coaches we had weren't ready for that.
Yeah, it seems so remedial there.
I mean, it's like, it shows that there's not much for the kids to do.
there really not much to be done in that area.
Close to Starbucks is about an hour.
Wow.
You got Tulsa, Oklahoma, which is about an hour, 10 minutes north.
Yeah, I was just there a couple weeks ago.
We're doing some shows.
Yeah, and Looney Bend?
No, Kane's Ballroom.
Oh, okay.
I like Tulsa, man.
I hung out there a lot.
Yeah, Tulsa's nice, huh?
Yeah, I like Tulsa.
Beautiful place.
Can't drive around.
Everything's fucking under construction.
Yeah, what are they doing?
I don't know, man.
It's been that way since I've been there.
But I like Tulsa, man.
The Tulsa love me, man.
The people there, everywhere I go in Tulsa, man, they love me, and it was a good deal.
Would you go up there to meet ladies sometimes?
Because they don't show you with the ladies.
I mean, they got that lady, Tammy, I think is her name?
My boss.
Yeah.
Did you guys ever have any?
No, hell no.
No, hell no.
Come on, man.
Come on, man.
She was like a father figure and a mother figure all at one, man.
She was a K-State Hall of Fame basketball player.
Was she really?
And she's Olympian, so she's a big deal, man.
She's in the rafters at K-State.
Everybody thought that, though.
Everybody would walk around that town.
That town's 9,000 people.
Damn.
And there's not a, nothing's open past 8 o'clock at night.
It's fucking, it's unbelievable.
There's nothing there to eat.
You know what I mean?
It's just, it's one of those places.
And me And her were always seen because we got the fuck off campus to deal with other shit.
Yeah.
And everybody, oh, they're fucking around.
And no, motherfucker, you guys don't get it.
I never mix business with pleasure, first of all.
But, dude, what I'm saying is, you hang out at the salon, you're going to get a haircut.
You know what I'm saying?
I hear you.
I see you got the Joe Dirt thing.
I hear you.
Bro, I had to.
I got to cut you up, man.
You got to get one of my shit.
I got a barber, man.
You ain't got his shit, bro.
Hey.
I got a barber, man.
You got to go low, brother.
How low is that, bro?
I can see your ideas, dog.
That shit is fucking low.
Hey, that's what it is.
That's what it is, man.
In the second season, did you start to, I know, because you started to get a lot of fanfare.
Are you coaching right now?
No, no, no, no.
I'm just chilling.
I bought a house out in the Inland Empire and a brand new home from scratch.
Got to pick the flooring that did the whole deal.
And then that's it, man.
I got the book tour coming up.
I'm going to go do.
You know, I've been speaking at some high schools.
That's going to start jumping off.
And then start speaking around the country and stuff like that and doing the speaking engagement deals.
And that's about it, man.
Figuring out what I want to do.
I don't know if I want to coach no more.
Really?
I don't know if these kids can handle me anymore, these enabled kids that these parents allow to be enabled.
I don't think the kids have changed.
The parents have changed over our time, over the years.
And what do you mean by that when you say that?
When we grew up, man, there was no second guessing a coach.
Everything was yes coach, yes coach, this and that.
Now these fuckers all think they know everything.
Oh, no, I'm going to do this.
No, you're not, motherfucker.
Not under my watch.
But that's kind of what...
But then if you say that, then it's suddenly like the parents are complaining But, you know, it's, I don't know, man.
Maybe, you know, all good things come to an end.
I don't know if I'm meant to do this anymore.
So it's full circle.
When I started playing, I made it professionally.
I got cut by the Chiefs.
I got cut in NFL Europe.
Played Arena League.
What year was that?
Shoot.
02, 03, both years of those years.
I think who else was quarterbacking around then?
We're at.
Anywhere.
Oh, shit, everybody.
The guy at the Chiefs was Trent Green.
Kurt Warner was still playing.
Rams, you know.
Everybody was playing there.
Was that Lorenzen?
Did Lorenzen play back then?
Or do you remember that?
Jared Lorenzen?
Yeah.
You know, he was at Valdosta State, man, when I was in playing.
I played Division II as well.
So we both were Division II.
Oh, wow.
And we were battling for the Harlan Hill Award, which is a D2 Heisman.
Really?
That's wild.
And yeah, he was at Valdosta, played for a coach named How Mummy.
Yeah, How Mummy that went down to the Southeastern.
And who's a big-time Mike Leach?
He basically hired Mike Leach, if you don't know.
But How Mummy, Mike Leach coached for How Mummy originally back in the day.
They're kind of the inventors of the spread open up offense, you know what I mean?
But he was at Valdosta, man.
You guys never against each other?
Nah, we didn't play against each other.
But everybody knew who he was because he was like 400 pounds at quarterback.
Oh, yeah.
Unfortunately, he passed away, man.
Rest in peace.
Yeah, yeah.
I went to Lexington a couple times, and he would always pop out and say, hey.
Oh, did you?
Yeah.
He was always a really, really kind, kind man.
I heard that.
Yeah, I was just trying to think of what other quarterbacks played around then.
Yeah, it was a lot, man.
They're all still around.
A lot of the big-name guys, Favre's and all them guys.
Yeah, we used to go to Farrest Town and eat mushrooms, dude, back in Kiln, Mississippi.
Is that right?
We'd go put jerseys on and eat a bunch of fucking mushrooms, dude.
Brady was just getting going.
You know what I mean?
Drew Bledsoe had just given it up, and Brady was taking over, and they were starting to win Super Bowls already.
We're the same age, so he's a Northern California guy.
Do you ever play against him?
Nah, no, nothing, but preseason game.
You did?
Who won?
We actually won, but I didn't play at the same time as he did.
He's a starter.
I was a fucking practice squad guy.
But you had something to do with it, I bet.
Yeah, so it was good.
It was good times.
Do you ever play against any real heaters out there?
Nah, you know, remember Julius Peppers?
Yeah.
He played for North Carolina.
He played for Carolina, right?
North Carolina.
Carolina Panthers.
He lit me up in a preseason game.
He shouldn't have fucking been in when I was in from the fucking 13-0 line.
You know what I mean?
But, you know, it is what it is.
I love bullshit.
You always have the best explanations for everything.
And make none of it your fault.
Yeah.
That's how it is, man.
That's the best.
It's part of a head coach's job to make it not their fault no matter what.
No, I take responsibility, man.
I tell everybody, man, the kids and the coaches are responsible, but I'm accountable.
There's a huge difference.
And I'm accountable for the entire gamut.
You know, 30 administrative people, trainers, coaches, football operations people.
And then I got 200 kids, you know what I mean?
So, which are all like my kids.
So I'm accountable, man.
And if people don't realize, but people ask, like, okay, Joe Paterno didn't know bullshit.
You're the head coach.
You know every fucking thing.
Right.
So you have to know everything.
I know everything.
Because it seems like, yeah, sometimes it's like, or just from the show's perception, it's like, yeah, you're always in everybody's ass, it seems like.
Right.
And that's because.
But I guess you have to be.
You have to know what's going on if you're going to be the one who has to be accountable.
My thing was, I don't want to get a call from the cops and you didn't tell me first, coach, assistant coach.
I should know every fucking thing before it happens because you guys are in them dorms.
You know what's going on.
If you have any relationship with your players, you know exactly where the motherfuckers are.
And that's how I was as an assistant.
My kids weren't getting in trouble.
And as a head coach or the number one job of an assistant coach is to protect the head coach.
One.
The second most important thing is don't let shit get put on the head coach's desk.
And those are two things that I never allowed as an assistant.
And I try to teach those assistants.
If you want to get a big-time job, this is what you got to do.
And it comes off, okay, if I'm hate me now, love me later when I get you the job.
Because at the end of the day, man, you know, it's a results-oriented business.
And that's what's in that book.
And you win the game or you lose it, man.
There's no gray area in football.
Last time I checked, they fucking checked score.
And the kids graduate or they don't.
They get a scholarship or they don't.
Those things come on me.
And last I checked, the assistant coach doesn't have a win-loss next to the record on the resume.
So do you think you played the game of get?
It sounds like you played the game of getting kids to the next level pretty well.
Yep, right?
It sounds like that game you played pretty well.
If you look back on your years, and even if you look back on the show, I mean, even though it's kind of like a selective interpretation, what do you think you could have done better or differently?
shit, man.
There has to be something, man.
There's a lot of stuff, man, probably.
Little things.
You know, I would have loved to have hired an offensive coordinator.
Right, as you see, yeah, yeah.
We didn't have the money, so it was like it wasn't in my hands to do.
And did you take a bigger salary?
Was there a reason you guys didn't have the money?
Like, would there have been.
No, I got raises here and there, and I got it up there, you know, pretty pretty high, and it was decent stuff for me.
But I got my offensive line coach really high, my decoordinator really high.
The one that's on the show, Living Storms.
Is he a neat guy?
Yeah, I've known his older brother for a long time.
Martin, is that his older guy?
Yeah.
But, you know, his wife, I guess, tried to bash me, which comes off pretty fucking unappreciative.
But I got her an AA degree for free.
But fuck me, right?
So, and also I didn't hold them guys hostage by any fucking, they had plenty of opportunity to go get an apartment in town.
They made enough coin.
Yeah.
But they chose to do that.
But I guess the show shows them like, I'm the fucking devil and I kept them there or something.
But I knew his older brother for a long time.
And, you know, they should talk about me firing him and all that.
I did fire him, but nobody knows why because they didn't know what he did.
And he admitted what he did.
And I hired him back because I love the kid.
I know his older brother.
You know, we kind of grew up.
He's from Pasadena, Juco guys.
And so, you know, I just, it came off from his wife kind of unappreciative, in my opinion, what we did for him because he was like the second or third highest paid D coordinator in our league.
He could have went on and got an apartment.
But they don't show those things.
They don't show that.
Do you feel unappreciated?
I'm not going to cry over spill milk.
No, of course not.
I mean, I will, dude.
Look, yeah.
I've cried a couple times in this podcast.
But I'm not going to manage.
You know, the town, would you know who our Independence Kansas was if the fucking show didn't come there?
No.
Nobody would.
And you wouldn't know any of those kids.
And probably 17 coaches don't go Division I and there probably isn't $3 million brought into that town because of Netflix.
Yeah.
So I guess in that regard, yeah.
We got a question that came in right here from because we have video questions that came in.
Let's see if they are.
Yeah, and this one's related to about the town's attitude.
And that's not me in a disguise, even though me and that guy have a very similar nose.
No doubt.
What's up, Theo?
Gang, gang, gang.
Coach Brown, just wondering, how did the people in Independence, Kansas, treat you?
Do you think that they were racist?
Not towards you, obviously, but I feel like they didn't like the football team.
Do you think that any of that had to do with race?
Thanks, Theo.
Gang, gang.
Gang, bro.
Is that guy stealing a bulldozer?
I didn't feel that at all.
I didn't feel like there was any racial tension, really.
I think there might have been some undertones.
There might have been some underlying stuff.
I mean, yeah, that's just in the history book.
So I think that's...
Yeah, we didn't face any.
The town people that I'm that I we I love the people there.
There's the hatred that I took from there.
There's a select few guys.
And most people there love me.
And we got along great, man.
It was great people there.
There's these pseudo guys that make these pseudo names up.
So Freddy's really Johnny and Freddie and Bobby.
Yeah, yeah.
And he comes up with three names and he's now from Arizona, but he's right there.
Right.
And he makes up these names.
So the percentage goes up in hate.
Right.
And especially if they're the ones talking more, then it looks like it's 50%.
Johnny Freddy people.
And it wasn't that way.
But, you know, this is the thing to answer his question.
So, you know, the Jayhawk Conference in Kansas and the Mississippi League, where you kind of are from, Mississippi only has eight out-of-staters allowed.
But Mississippi is more predominantly black state.
Yeah, yeah.
Kansas, primarily white state.
Yeah.
We only had 20 out-of-staters allowed when I got the job.
That rule changed seemingly overnight.
So we became an unlimited out-of-state state in junior.
So you could bring in as many as you wanted.
So of course, nobody's going to recruit Kansas no more because Kansas high school football is not very good.
Not to bash them, but they don't have the legislature in place to allow those kids to thrive.
As soon as football season's over, you cannot have a football out again.
You go right into wrestling, track, basketball.
We're in California, Georgia, Florida, Texas.
Football season ends after Christmas.
You could pick up a football again and your football training again 24-7.
I see.
Everybody's a lot more trained, a lot more acclimated.
That's at the passing level games, high school level.
So Kansas is behind the times in that regard.
So I was hoping the out-of-state rule, optimistically speaking, changed the entire legislature from the high schools.
It hasn't yet.
Hopefully it will.
But then it probably keeps sports like wrestling and stuff big in those areas.
It does.
It does.
But to answer his question, I think there's some hidden racial agendas because of the fact, okay, now we were Kansas, predominant Kansas eight-team league, and now it's become out of state.
Our Kansans aren't playing anymore.
I see.
And now there was some spite, I think, and some hatred.
But we didn't really see it.
My coaches didn't really see it.
But not from the local people, though.
We didn't have that feel.
There was no tension that way.
think there might be some underlying stuff that's like No doubt.
No doubt.
And Bill Burr.
But, you know, they come to me and talk about, I think they more took it out on me.
Like, let's get this fucker out of here so these fuckers, these freaks of natures won't be here no more.
We can go back to having, you know, fucking John Deere here.
Well, they must have been upset, though.
The townspeople, were they upset about the show?
Because I could see if it brings in a lot of knuckleheads, like you're saying, into this campus that you don't even see on the show that are just hopeful football players, like guys who got, you know, locked out of D7, you know, who are homeschooled football team, you know.
You know, because they're just milling around town then.
I mean, was there a lot of people just milling around town?
Probably, but you know, that's why I always had a relationship with every manager that owned a place in that town.
Walmart, you know, all the restaurants.
So if any football player, which is going to be a black kid in their mind, so that's why I taught, go to the corner store and buy a black and mild.
Right.
And if the 35-year-old black guy is in the stores, guess who fucking did it?
Football player.
And that's the fucking, that's the, we get that black eye.
Unfortunately, and I taught those kids, man, they don't give a shit about you.
So don't get caught up.
Don't be stupid.
Don't be in the store.
Don't go to Walmart and steal.
And that was big before I got the job.
We didn't have that issue.
I never had a kid arrested.
I never had any domestic violence charges.
We never had any issues.
And I let those managers know they'd call me if there was any concern or people disrespectful.
I didn't allow that shit.
And I'd cut them quick.
So the townsfolks knew that discipline was there before since I was there.
They know it was tenfold from when I was there.
They were robbing and pillaging before I got there.
Oh, before you got there.
So you felt like you definitely really tightened a lot of it.
Oh, yeah.
We tightened it up, and they weren't going to free-for-all run around that town.
And you'd cut the kids.
Cut them out of there.
Oh, yeah.
We cut hundreds.
Is it fun to cut them sometimes?
Hell yeah.
It's fun to cut them fuckers.
Yeah.
Trim the fat, man.
You'll trim the fat.
You got to cut the cancer.
My dad died of cancer, man.
I told him, I said, fuck, I'm not going to have that shit around.
You better shit or get off the pot, man.
Did you get lonesome in the town?
Yeah.
You know, man, we worked 20 hours a day.
People don't realize we were there burning midnight oil, man.
And we were tough.
We had to wait to five.
That means my staff was there at four to get the damn thing ready.
Really, were you there too, or just the staffs there?
You get to show up a little later.
I show up a little later for the fact that I did all that shit for 20 years.
Right.
No, I get painted fields and all that.
It's their time to fucking figure it out.
They didn't.
They were going to get fired.
And that's just results-oriented.
But I also did everything else.
Like, I was there.
My thing is, if you're going to be a leader, you're going to show it.
You're not going to talk it.
So everything that we did, I did, obviously.
But certain things like that, I believe head coaches, they've earned the right to sleep in an extra 20 minutes.
I agree with you.
But, you know, those things, those type of things happen.
And then we were there until midnight, man.
And we were curfew checking them at 11.30 p.m., getting right back up at 4. So, I mean, you know, we're there all day with them, class checking them, dorm checking them, make sure they're not smoking and stealing and doing any stupid things.
And unfortunately, last year, we had more of that than any year I've ever been as a coach.
Well, it seems like you said, like, you know, you had kind of control over that.
Then what made it go so haywire last year?
The cameras.
Really?
Yeah, just nucleus, bad nucleus.
And do you feel like you could going back on it, would you have done anything different to like from the top down, like this is how it is?
You know what?
I don't know.
I think it might have been inevitable, man.
I don't know if you could have changed that.
I don't know if anybody could have came in there and did anything different.
I wasn't going to change up anything because my model's always been successful.
So why would it change all of a sudden?
But still have the best players.
I don't think I changed.
I think because the ego is dangerous, man.
I noticed from my own ego, you know, like my career has changed a lot.
I've worked for 15 years and in the past year, it's really gotten a lot different.
Yeah.
You know, and sometimes it's tough for me.
You know, I'm tough.
We've gone through stuff here with working with my producer.
It's been tough for me to learn to work with others, but it's been tough for me to learn who I am as I'm becoming more of a, I have to be more responsible and stuff.
We all grow.
Yeah, it's been tough for me.
I've had a lot of struggles with it.
Yeah.
And sometimes it's my own ego.
Sometimes it's insecurity.
You know, it's a little bit of everything.
You know, I think football coaches, especially head coaches, are probably the most egotistical humans on earth.
I think football players are the most egotistical people on earth.
And I think that's where you get the head-butting going on.
But I don't think I changed.
I think as the year went on, you can see, my boss made a comment the other day.
You can see in the show, because she watched it, you can see on the show how you just were like, give me the fuck over this year because you didn't want to be around those kids, those coaches, nothing.
And I didn't.
And that's why I was week five, to be honest with you, I was thinking about what I'm doing different next year already.
And I already had the plan.
I was doing it every night until midnight or two in the morning, three in the morning in my office building this year's team.
And is that because if you don't win that year, if you don't get to that high, like if you're not undefeated, then it doesn't really matter.
No, just that I knew the nucleus we had.
And it was just a bad batch, man.
Bad batch from top to bottom.
And I knew I was starting over and I was going to gut this thing and we were going to get back to the basics.
And character first was what I was changing.
So I had character first wrapped everywhere in the facility and that was going to happen.
So that kid, that German kid that I hired, that whole issue happened with, I hired him to be a graphic design guy.
And he was a manager, came from overseas, came out there, and I got him a job on campus, fed him every day.
I said, listen, if you can help me wrap this facility, get it nice, I'll let you be on the team.
You'll never play, but I'll let you be on the team.
What was he going to be on the team?
A soccer player?
I don't know what he would have been.
But, you know, he did a good job.
And I let him in.
He helped me wrap that thing, getting all of that going.
Yeah, I will say that a lot of stuff looked good.
Yeah, so that place was bad when I got there, man.
You don't even know.
I built everything with these, man, and that's the most rewarding thing.
I think the blood, sweat, and tears you put in, and when you win it, that's the most rewarding deal in anything.
Yeah, he came.
Did he backstab you a little bit?
I didn't think it was that bad.
Texting you calling my buddy Hitler doesn't mean anything to me.
It's like, I don't give a fuck.
It's like, it's a joke between friends and it's a fucking...
And that's when he got there, he did that.
And the team called him that.
Everybody called him that word.
Yeah, digital Hitler, I think, is one of his screen names.
Yeah, it's crazy.
He had the Meincoff book he'd walk around with.
Yeah, he did a lot of that.
It's all going to come out, man, the truth.
And the thing is, man, he did a lot of that stuff.
And the kids were going to kill him, man, after the whole deal.
And even though I'm getting investigated, I'm having to protect that kid from getting killed by the players.
And people don't know that.
I was mad at her for it because they were trying to fire me over it.
And the players wanted you there.
Yeah, and they were like, motherfucker, your ass calls yourself that.
Now you want some 15 minutes of fame?
And you see in the show, I guess, Greg, I thought, depicted it right.
You know, you see us, kids are calling him that.
I'm calling him that on the field in the office.
He's laughing and giggling because he knew.
And you see these text messages that were put in there, there's stuff scratched out on the media.
There's some stuff missing that's unbelievable and how people take your opinion and run with their own opinion and run with it.
It's a text message between two people.
Who gives a shit?
If I'd say, Nick, and I'm, look, I'm sorry if I'm being a Hitler today or you know.
Let me ask you this.
Did you know this?
My boss, the president of the college, was from Jewish descent.
Who?
Barnwit.
Barnwit, yeah, I knew that.
So he's up there saying these things in the academic building.
I get wind of it.
I bring him in the office.
I suspend him.
He also, I had a huge issue with him and females.
Females are coming to me left and right like he's super scary to them.
Yeah.
And he's creepy.
Oh, dude, he's making the weight.
He's fucking over.
He's hurt a little.
And I don't even, and I got a cock.
You feel me?
So he has.
He's breaking into the weight room, man.
This sounds like Selena.
This sounds like the person that killed Selena.
Fuck.
Man, I'm just telling you.
Why don't you let that guy go then at some point?
Well, I did.
I suspended the guy and I cut.
I said, you're done here.
He immediately goes from there to the fucking academic building and doing like the march and shit.
And the teachers call me, and that's when I send it out to Texas.
And I was really doing it as a joke to say, listen, I'm trying to help you save your ass, but I'm your new boss, basically.
Get your ass over here and see me because you're not going to do that shit under my watch, under my program, and make us look bad as a football program.
So that's why I regret that.
I regret doing that way because obviously nowadays with the soft-natured people that we live in in this culture, this society, they want to get 15 minutes of fame and they're going to blast you out.
And I don't blame the kids, man.
I don't blame the kid.
You don't blame him?
I don't blame him.
I blame the cowardly grown folks that pushed it.
I get the kid a job on campus.
It's the guy that employed him that pushed this.
And it's ridiculous because he went the principal, huh?
Not the president.
Not the president.
Because the president seemed to kind of, he doesn't comment on it in the show, but yeah, I mean, I knew that he was Jewish or he seemed like it, you know, and then, but then I was like, oh, if he didn't really comment on it, then he, you know, like, I don't know if anybody, Here's the thing.
Nobody really cares about any of this shit.
Nobody.
It's like people write articles and then people that are bored.
If I wasn't a public figure, I'm still there.
Nobody gives a fuck.
This is the thing.
They hadn't won in 30 years.
Year one, we went in there, we beat four teams that they haven't beat in 30 years.
Yeah, we beat them.
Oh, they got a picture of the independence football team from like 25 years ago, and half of them have won ice skates, dude.
A fucking shitty squad, bro.
Well, that's what I mean.
So we go 5-4 year one.
I want them at a catcher's mid on.
I'm like, no, shit.
No, shit.
Five and four year one.
I mean, unheard of.
So like, okay, shit.
Next year we win it.
Like, then we, then I have one bad year, and that's not, I wasn't worried about, I was like, I'm never going to fire for a bad year after what we've done here in three years.
So that's why week five, I was prepping for this year.
Right.
And I was already gutting it, getting ready for the program because I think we would have won it all this year.
We had a great staff I hired, the best recruiting class in my three years there.
So it would have even been better.
And going back to this happens, what could you have done different, do you think, if you were looking back on it?
I mean, what?
Man, I don't know, man.
I don't know.
Sometimes things are supposed to go the way they go, man.
I don't know if you can change something.
You know, I didn't do anything different.
It was, you know, the cameras didn't bother me.
They bothered other guys.
But this is the one thing I'll tell you, which might sound like jokingly, as a joke.
I'll never hire these young fucking coaches again.
So maybe I'll have a staff of fucking 80-year-olds next time I get a job because those guys know the intimate setting of a locker room.
And when we grew up in football, football locker room was the most intimate setting, period.
Now it's a mockery.
It's a place where kids want to film you, cussing out the team because Johnny stole at Walmart.
You're cussing out the guy and the team for making an example of everybody.
So you better not do it or this guy, you're going to end up like him, cut or in jail.
And they want to film you on the low and put it on social media and even coaches, young coaches.
I'm just like, where does this become?
Everybody's about to get their clout.
And that's what kind of gave me a sour taste in coaching.
Maybe I don't want to do this no more if it's become such a spectacle.
Well, there's so many battles it seems like you have to face.
Not only are you trying to keep these, I mean, and you're also, you're at the circle, you're like a second, you're, you know, you're at the, yeah, you're a father, but you're also, you're the tent behind the big circus.
It's like, this is where the animals, you know, they got animals doing cigarettes out here.
You know what I'm saying?
Half the guy, you know.
This is where all the shit's done, and they don't show it.
Like, you know, there's a lot of things under the, you know, you get drugged through the mud back there.
They just show the good shit, you know, dumping water on me when we win it all.
Like, you don't know what we had to go through to win that thing.
You know what I mean?
And it's not like it's a 20-minute ride from in California, Juko, you're taking 20-minute bus rides.
You know, we're going to Garden City seven hours across the state or to Iowa or whatever.
And, you know, you got to deal with those kids in hotels overnight.
Oh, I'm sure.
Especially with social media now, everybody's trying to fuck each other and all of this shit.
It's a joke, man.
It's become.
Oh, you could fuck somebody at a truck stop.
You know what I'm saying?
If you're filling up a 30-gallon tank, you'd have time.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like these days it's so easy to just cross paths with someone.
Go to APM or whatever.
Yeah.
Do you wish you were still at Independence?
Not how it ended, no, because I just don't, I feel the course had ran its, you know, the times ran its course.
I think it was done.
It was time to move on.
All good things come to an end.
I built that place, man.
I mean, there's a brand new turf field there, state of the art, locker rooms, meeting rooms, you name it.
I did it.
And so I missed that part of it because I know what we were going to have.
It would have been the premier place in America.
There's no doubt about it.
But at the same time, man, I've never kissed anyone's ass, man.
If you don't want me there, I'm fucking leaving on my own.
You don't got to beg me to leave.
And you don't have to force me out.
I'm leaving on my own.
And that's just how I was raised, man.
And so if you don't want me, I don't want to be here either.
And for the most part, I was wanted by everybody.
You know, 99% of that town wanted me there, man.
I get a lot of love emails from them people to this day in Independence, man.
And I love my time there.
You know, to be honest, small town and all that, but it was fine with me.
I was there to do a job, which was to help young boys turn into men.
And we did that.
We excelled.
And we did it better than anybody in the country.
And so we put our footprints in the sand, man, so to speak.
And we've said history, made history there.
And now maybe it's something, it's a new venture to be had.
What are you missing right now about coaching?
The interaction with the kids.
You know what I mean?
Recruiting and getting those kids, finding the next Emmy Gooden or Rokeem Boyd or Malik Henry, and trying to save one of them because you can't save them all.
So my whole thing is save one of them, man, because I try to tell these young coaches, you try to save them all, you're going to spread yourself too thin and be super, super heartbroken at the end of the day.
And I learned that as a young coach.
Did you?
Yeah, and so, you know, now you just try to pick one and save that one kid.
And hopefully we save more than that, obviously.
But that's my goal.
And so hopefully, I missed that part of it, trying to find a guy to save again and, you know, help these young cats out.
Some of these other, when teams were playing you guys in your conference last season, were a lot of the people more trying to beat you or trying to beat that team?
Me.
Really?
They hated me.
They hated me.
They hated you, huh?
They hated me in California when I was here because I beat everybody's ass and I recruited everybody.
That's how it goes.
Why do they hate you everywhere you go?
Hate me now, let me later, man, I guess.
You know, man, do you think people love Nick Saban that play against them?
You know what's funny is?
I hate Nick Saban, but I respect him more than any other coach.
That's what I'm saying.
So those coaches don't like Nick Saban.
He runs this.
That's his shit.
SEC is his league.
It ain't fucking.
Well, the whole SEC.
It ain't a league.
It's his league.
It's everybody playing for second.
It's Saban's Conference.
You know what I mean?
And those coaches don't want that.
They're fucking trying to beat him.
And so remember, everybody was on the TV show with National Netflix last year.
So every team we got, whether they were shitty or good, we got them times 10. They were on steroids.
And everybody wanted to beat us on film, on camera.
And I'll try and tell our guys, man, you don't understand.
You're playing a team that's shitty, and they're rising 10 times up over the years.
They rising out the toilet right now.
They want to beat your ass, man, on Netflix.
They're not going to lose on Netflix.
They did last year.
We beat everybody on Netflix last year.
Everybody's pissed.
We're talking shit.
Was the show going to come back for a third season?
Possibly.
But not definitely.
Not definitely.
I wasn't told they would.
But there was probably a big time chance because I don't know.
I've been told, I'm not going to say names, but I've been told that they're going to have a hard time replacing me on there just because of the polarization, I guess.
Not to boast, but I think they're having a hard time finding somebody now.
And then how many coaches are going to, now that they see the stuff coming out and how I'm portrayed?
Because a lot of these coaches, even in those Jukos, know me.
They know that ain't the real me.
They're like, fuck, you got fucked over.
They're not going to probably accept it too.
You're going to do this to me?
You know what I mean?
So they probably have that battle, too.
So it could have been an easier deal just to follow me and keep fucking me.
Yeah.
Yeah, because it seemed like they went two seasons.
And from what I heard, they weren't sure until the last minute if they were going to switch to a different school.
And I've worked in unscripted programming before.
And it's like, yeah, you never really know until like, I mean, until a couple weeks before the camera starts rolling, they can make a different call.
Until it's green lit.
And I kind of feel like the story, I mean, there would have been a chance for like a comeback season.
But after that, I couldn't see how they would go more than to be honest with you.
I didn't want to end that year on the loot 2-8.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, you guys got fucked.
And you know, we lost four games by one, two games by three.
Like those games we lost, and then we get blown out by the worst team in the league.
And that was because it had hit, the nucleus had settled in, and it was like, ah, fuck, we're done.
What was wrong with the quarterback that, because it starts Jay Jones?
Yeah.
Jay Jones, what was wrong with him?
Was he just often injured?
Injuries.
I don't know how mentally tough he was.
I think he had other ulterior motives as far as maybe I think he was already looking forward to maybe, you know, he had girlfriend back home.
I think he was homesick.
I think he thought it was maybe beneath him.
He was a great kid, I think, great-hearted kid.
Yeah, he seemed like a great kid.
Good parents.
Good parents, man.
Raised him right.
I just think he was there and it was out of his league.
And he was just like, ah, and, you know, I brought in some good backup guys.
One was a true freshman that was, I didn't want to play this year.
Had to.
Was it Chase?
No.
No, it was a kid named A.J. Wright, the third guy.
Oh, yeah.
With the long hair.
Tall, tall, six.
He had way too much hair on that kid.
Jesus.
The hair to human body ratio, it's a very unique amount.
That's what I'll say.
He's going to be special.
And didn't want to throw him in the fire that fast.
So, you know, the backup comes in that first game and rips it.
Goes for like 300-yard, three touchdowns, and shit.
So we start him the next game, and he looks like shit.
And we're down 35, nothing and a half.
We come back, storming back, should have won the game.
Put in AJ.
He rips it, come back.
Then he gets torn lamebroom in practice.
Then we go back to Chase.
And you got to get that all season, it looked like.
And then we're trying to play a fourth quarterback.
So people don't realize, yeah, you're 2-8-2.
But so you know, we had 22 offensive line change-ups, meaning there's so many injuries we've had to swap.
Left tackle had to play right.
Center had to play guard.
We had so many injuries.
Why so many injuries?
Just one of those deals.
One of the things is we're the only team in the league that didn't have a turf field.
So when I got that done and got that donated and got that going, we were still practicing the whole entire season on a basically rock field.
And we had, just so you know, we had six ACL blowouts during the season I practiced.
We just didn't have the facilities.
People don't realize.
Somebody should open up an ACL factor around the corner, dude.
People didn't know what we've dealt with, man.
Broken ankles, you don't understand.
Then we get to turf field for the last game of the season.
Like, fuck, it's a little late.
So that's why I was looking forward to this year because we had all this new things.
Yeah, to get to play with all the new toys.
Yeah.
Malik, you guys brought Malik back in.
Was it just out of necessity, really?
No, it was to save his life.
So I brought him back.
I've known the kid a long time since we shared the same mentor.
My junior college head coach was also his quarterback coach.
And so I've known him a long time since he's a little kid, his dad.
You know, he didn't get anything because of the show, probably, the bad light.
And then we brought him back.
And I told him, I said, listen, you'll be a practice squad quarterback.
And I said, right now, because this wasn't your team, it's not the talent set that's built around you.
The first year's talent was around him.
We could play action, RPO, hand the football off.
He could throw it to great wide receivers.
He had the best O-line in the country.
And this team wasn't built that way.
We're going to run more option with Jay, spread it out, be more, play faster with those things.
When you brought him back in, what did you tell him?
I mean, you reach out to him.
That's what I told him.
After the season started before?
No, you know, I was done.
He graduated.
We were trying to get him a scholarship.
He had three years to play Division I. So we were trying to get a market to get him out of there.
And a lot of people didn't want to mess with him.
So I said, listen, I told my players and coaches, I said, listen, he can't come back and do anything.
He can't shit on himself or he's done.
He'll never play again.
He came back and did a great job for us, like practice squad.
He did a hell of a job at practice for our defense.
He did all those things.
But so at a necessity, he had to play.
And we were down to nobody.
And he ripped it against Garden City, and we should have won the game.
Probably should have threw the ball every down.
He would have probably threw for a thousand yards.
I don't know.
He's that good.
But the next game we started him, we get blown out because it wasn't him.
It was the team.
And his attitude went to shit then?
Not really.
It was just a matter of this isn't, this is, I'm already losing the team now.
I'm losing the team.
And Malik wasn't here in the beginning.
He wasn't here all spring battling in the snow and fighting in weight room and running.
And I just felt it wasn't fair to the kids.
And so the truth of the matter is I told him, I said, listen, man, no hard feelings.
You know the deal.
This ain't for you.
This ain't your team.
This team's not built around your skill set.
And I'm losing the team.
And he's like, coach, I get it.
Now, that's a simple conversation.
He continued to practice with us.
And they didn't show really that.
And so now he's starting in Nevada.
He got named a starter today.
Nice.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
That's pretty cool.
Do you feel good about that?
Yeah, he'll rip it, man.
They throw the ball all over the place.
He'll dominate that league.
And he'll get drafted if he stays the course.
Now, what about they had another kid on the show, Adrian?
No, the kid, he's like, he was defensive guy number six.
Kaylin Davis.
Yeah.
It seemed like he couldn't even write or anything.
Kaylin, man, he couldn't.
Huge personality.
Yeah, yeah.
Extremely fun to watch.
Fun to be around.
He was a greatest kid.
His sister died on him.
His brother died on him during the time at my place.
And so I kept him from leaving because I knew if he went back home, he would be nothing good.
And I said, listen, man, you're going to save your mom's life eventually.
You have to graduate and get this done.
And he struggled in class, obviously, and got him graduated, man.
He's at Arkansas State now.
And he'll have a chance to prolong his career and make some money and maybe help his mom out, man.
They come from a bad, poor background.
Is he a good player?
Louisiana?
Yeah, good player, man.
He's a tweener.
And that's why he probably didn't go big time.
He's a tweener.
We don't know if he's an outside linebacker or a DN.
That's kind of great now, though.
Yeah.
So Arizona and Dallas schools came in on him late.
And he's like, man, I'm going to go to Arkansas State.
He went to Louisiana?
Louisiana, yep.
Oh, wow.
So is Dell.
We had a lot of Louisiana kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We got some other video questions that came in.
Yeah, and I had a question about Malik's dad.
They interviewed him a lot in season three.
Did you have a relationship with him?
Because to me, it seemed like he just showed up in high school when Malik started getting some recognition.
And he seemed like a well-spoken dude, but I didn't trust him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I've known him.
I've known him a long time.
Like I said, we shared the same mentor, me and Malik.
And I've known his dad, Marcel, a long time.
So yeah, he was around.
You know what I mean?
Him, his mom got a divorce, I believe, and they were kind of back and forth.
So that always makes it tougher that people don't get to see.
So they had their own personal deals that probably were struggling.
It was probably hard for him to be around Malik.
So I don't know the whole, in totality, that whole deal family-wise, but nah, he came to every game at Independence.
Do a lot.
He flew in every game.
Do a lot of parents start to mill around whenever the kids are doing well?
Do you see a lot of that?
Nah, I didn't allow it.
It was a different deal because he was out coming from California and flew in every week.
You wouldn't have that from normal parents coming in every game to a junior college game.
It was on YouTube, so kids would watch, the parents would watch it from home or whatever.
We had so many kids from so many places.
But he would come to every game, and I let him be on the sideline during the game.
Not on the side, but back.
But he was there, and he supported him.
He supported the hell out of him the whole time that he was there with me.
And so it was a good deal.
But now, I'm sure he'll be at Nevada games.
You seem like a guy that has a chip on his shoulder, which I think is, I think, if you want to be a guy who survives and achieves and things in this world, it can often be great.
I feel like a lot of my life I've been that way.
Where do you think some of that comes from for you, you know?
Just being told I couldn't do it forever.
There's none greater pleasure in life, man, than doing something that was told that you cannot do.
You know, and that's, I wasn't supposed to take an independent job.
You can't do nothing there.
You're not going to win.
They haven't sent a kid D1 in five years, and they haven't won a game in 10. But what about when you were young?
I mean, no.
And then that stems back from, you know, he's the only white boy in Compton.
You ain't going to survive.
Yeah.
Those type of things.
Oh, I'd have shot you.
Dude, yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, because we'd have been competition.
No doubt.
No doubt.
You'd have to shave your head, though.
But yeah.
But, you know, I was raised by a big-time, you know, guy in the drug business.
You know what I mean?
And I was raised by guys like that and street guys.
And I could have easily been in the dope game.
But I was like, nah, I'm going to be a leader, not a follower.
That's my thing, teaching these kids.
Don't go left, go right at the stop sign.
Because guys will follow you regardless.
And so I preached that.
So, you know, I was like, I ain't going to smoke weed and sell dope.
I'm going to play sports and try to affect some young men's lives.
And so that's what I chose to do.
Back to the thought about as the second season comes on, they got to have some ladies hitting you up, man.
Yeah, they did, man.
It was crazy, man.
Did you get out to Tulsa and meet some ladies?
I didn't meet anyone, man.
Come on.
I'm telling you.
Hey, I had no time, man.
Shit, you know.
You got to make a little time.
You know, it's crazy.
People that know coaching, you're there coaching the season, obviously, it's 24-7.
As soon as the season ends, man, you're taking your staff, you're splitting it up, and you've created this recruiting database, and you've created this plan.
Now, we're eight to ten guys on the road from the end of the season till Christmas break.
And we're everywhere in the country.
And so, shit, I'm everywhere, man, just trying to get the new batch of kids.
Right.
Yeah, it never ends.
Never ends.
Football 24-7.
You a human guy with a couple nuts on some point.
Yeah, I was flying them in, man, here and there.
Yeah, now we're talking.
Not now more I can't, But I did that.
Yeah.
And that had to be startling, dude, because look, I've done it, bro.
You fly somebody in, and next thing you know, like, dude, this one girl I met one time had a real small head, right?
And you can't tell them photos and stuff.
Dude, I'm talking about, bro, you couldn't even legally bowl with it.
You know, it was small.
It was too little.
Holy shit.
And you can't tell them photos, and then I'm hanging out with somebody that got that, you know, I'm worried her head might, you know, something, you know, dangerous could happen.
Yeah.
Just dangerous.
You can't do that online shit, man.
That shit's dangerous, man.
Dangerous.
What do they call it?
Catfish or something?
Oh, yeah.
I just learned what that shit was.
I didn't know what that shit was.
Yeah.
I'd have been damned if I'd have did that and somebody showed up fucking 500 pounds.
I would have lost my shit, man.
Or you'd have put them on the offensive line.
D-line.
D-line.
They can't move very well.
You put them on D-line.
Let's take another call.
We had so many submissions.
You got a question?
Yeah, I actually have a Patreon question from Kyle Savage, and he wants to know, I know you just briefly touched on it, but what do you think you would do if you weren't a coach or involved in football?
Like, what do you think?
What would I do?
I don't know, man.
Shit.
You know, I'm a great recruiter, and that's what my name, I started my name built on recruiting.
But selling cars and shit, that ain't me, though, man.
Even though everybody says, oh, you could be a salesman, great salesman.
I have no desire, man.
I think you're, no, I was just saying you're stable of players.
It's like a used car lot.
No doubt.
No doubt.
People have told me before, like, you can sell ice to an Eskimo, man.
Why don't you just sell cars?
And I'm like, nah, that ain't my thing.
Probably because it don't help nobody, in my opinion.
You know what I mean?
Right.
So you do have a feeling, really, that you want to, you do, you feel effective when you're able to help people?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's what allows me to sleep at night, man, not wins and losses.
You know what I mean?
Nobody gives a shit.
And you know what?
I've told people.
Because the show doesn't, yeah, I mean, and I know that you haven't seen it, but the show doesn't show that.
It doesn't have that element of you.
I know.
That's why I'm here.
It's got more like this Huey P. Long kind of like guy, which is an awesome character, man.
Trust me.
It's also a character I think we need out in the world, that a character is still allowed to have some sort of manly attributes and tell everybody to go fuck themselves if he wants to.
No question.
Especially in LA, they're trying to outlaw.
They're going to take our balls soon, bro.
I think there's some great American words that they like me to say, man.
I think motherfucker is probably the best one.
Oh, dude, they said it on some of the boats.
If you listen, they got some transcripts from the Mayflower.
A lot of people are like, yeah, motherfucker, we're going to America, bro.
Columbus, huh?
Hey, shit, I don't know, man.
I think there's some words out there that I think kids resonate with better.
Yeah.
They don't, I couldn't, you think I could whisper sweet nothings to Bobby Bruce?
Son, please do write.
Fucking, is she kidding me?
Mom calls him every fucking motherfucker in the book.
So like, you know, people in my, they don't know what being in my shoes entails.
They don't know where these kids came from and what I had to deal with.
And those kids don't know those words.
And like you said, a lot of them come from their third grade reading level.
Yeah.
Third grade reading level, man.
And like I said, it ain't built on intellect.
If you know how to play the game, you might sign an NFL paycheck regardless.
22 of my NFL guys weren't fucking scholars.
Let me just tell you.
But they're making millions dollars.
It's an experience-based life I think we live.
It's not built on intellect.
I think it's built on hands-on experience out there.
And get your hands dirty, man, and figure it out.
And I don't know if a piece of paper from a college really means that much.
It definitely ain't fucking.
You ain't making the money back to pay it off.
You ain't making more money than the college degree cost.
Well, you're going to work half.
Yeah.
Over time, you're going to spend 10 years of your working life paying it off for sure.
Biggest scam in the country, man.
But yeah, it's interesting because at that level, then the only thing you can do, you're not a parent to these guys.
I mean, you can try to be, like, you know, you can try to be a shoulder here and there.
You can try to be a role model.
But the scope of time that you have with them, the fact that they know, everybody knows this is just a curve in the river.
We're trying to get you back upstream.
There's no bones about any of that, is there?
No, not at all.
I don't, I don't.
Like I said, I told people, people are all saying, we won the thing last year.
Yes.
And everybody I saw in public, not one person said, damn, coach, you're a hell of a coach.
You fucking won.
So everybody this year was like, man, you're going to get bashed for doing two and eight.
I said, no, I'm not.
Nobody gives a fuck about that, watching that part on the show.
I have not yet been told, you're shitty, you win two and eight.
Nobody gives a fuck.
They were like, damn, you're a crazy motherfucker, Coach.
We love you.
And that's all I've been told.
Nobody cares about wins and losses and that shit.
People think that.
That's not really what it's about.
Now, in the SEC, it's wins and losses.
NFL, it's wins and losses.
You're not molding your boys into men and making them.
Yeah, you guys are sous chefs down there.
You guys are like prep, you know, you're chefs, but you're like prep cooks.
You're fucking getting these ingredients ready.
You're gutting them and cutting them and skinning them and all that shit.
All you guys do, hunters, fuckers do.
Would you?
Yeah, definitely.
Would you take a job at a different level, you think?
You know, I would.
If it ever was that time, you know what I mean?
I've had offers way back, not as a coach, but like an off-the-field role and stuff like that.
I don't know if I regret it or not.
Maybe Clint Eastwood of recruiting, man.
Yeah, see, I did that, man.
I think everybody knows that, but they're scared, man.
You got to understand.
I was told by a great man one time, like, you know why you won't go D1?
I'm like, what's up?
Well, first, you're rough around the edges.
Two, what's going to happen when you leave independence?
Where are they getting the kids?
What's going to happen when you leave Compton College?
Where are they getting the players from?
Because I had the best players.
And so those guys had to get those guys from somebody.
So if I was on their level, kids disappear.
And so never looked at it that way.
And kind of stuck with me.
And I was like, fuck, I'm going to start charging these fuckers then.
Yeah.
Should have.
I would love to see a TV show of him coaching peewee football.
Oh, shit.
I don't know if I could do that.
Get to them before they're corrupted and entitled.
Yeah, I hear you.
But shit, I'd be fucking in jail, bro.
A little slap dick.
The parents and everybody, fuck.
Oh, fuck them, bro.
The Trump administration would have me in jail, man.
Dude, the Trump administration would hire you, I think, bro.
Oh, well, fuck.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Look, man, I think you do.
You need somebody in my corner, man.
You do great, man.
I think you have a lot of people.
I think you have a lot of people in your corner, man.
I think it's just nice to hear somebody fucking yell fuck sometimes, you know?
Yeah, I appreciate it, man.
I wish you could put me on payroll then.
If you could go back, knowing everything you know now, do you think you still would have done the show?
Yeah, because in my opinion, who am I, man, to take away young men and a platform for an opportunity from these youngsters?
So, like, the coaches, 17 coaches got jobs.
You know, you wouldn't ever know who Kaylin Davis is or even my two white fucking kids, Chance Mayne and Carrie Buckmaster, they highlighted on the show.
Oh, yeah.
You know, they got my tokens in there.
Oh, he did.
But, you know, they did that.
Nobody would know who they are.
Carrie Buckmaster lived a harder life than most fucking any inner city black kid I ever met.
The kid with the big hair?
From Arizona, yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, or from Nevada, I mean, so, you know, he fuck, he lived in a car, man, drove up here with fucking tuna fish sandwich, drove across this country to independence, man.
And in his time there, he busted his ass for me and was a very loyal kid.
And, you know, he was an emotional roller coaster, man, but they all are.
And that's my job is to try to mold them and help them.
And so hopefully he figures it out and ends up becoming a, you know, has a family and does well in life.
You know what I mean?
But nobody would know those guys.
And probably 10 of the 17 coaches wouldn't have got those jobs if they weren't on the show.
So I don't regret the show.
I just maybe I should have done more research on how they were going to depict it.
But besides that, no, I got those guys an opportunity for, you know, the rest of their life to be known.
Let's take this question right here.
Coach Brown, I just wanted to see what your new opinion was on the new Caddy lineup.
We got the new CT5.
We got the new XTS.
Now, CT5 looks like it's got that supercharged V8 in it.
So I wanted to know what your opinion was and what your plan is for the new year.
Now, Gang Gang, round crown.
Gang, bruh.
I don't know, man.
I got the V-Sport out there in the parking lot, man.
I'm a speed guy.
You know what I mean?
So probably the CET he was talking about, I guess.
So, yeah, I'm a speed guy, man.
But I got the big body, too.
So I like to get into the ville.
Yeah, and laid back.
My dad bought a cutlass off a couple brothers that lived down the street from us when I was a kid, right?
And my dad was old.
My dad was 70 when I was born.
He was an old man.
Oh, damn.
So he would drive us around town, and it had these speakers in it.
My dad couldn't even fucking hear, right?
So, bro, we'd be rolling with 22 just listening to NPR, Paul Harvey, all the time.
Oh, shit.
Paul Harvey.
Banging, huh?
Good day.
Yeah, bro.
Fucking banging, bro.
And one of them had Chinese food in it, bro.
One of the things was rattled out.
What was the shit called back?
What was it?
Donks?
Or what are they called back down there?
Put the big-ass rims on the fucking cutlass?
I don't know.
People just called them, I think, Spinners, 22s.
I don't know what people called them back then.
No, you weren't born when Spinners were around.
Fucking shit.
No, I was before.
That was probably when I was like 16 or something.
Spinners.
You know, the Trails Spree Wells or whatever.
That's when they started.
22s, I think, was the only thing I heard.
I'm 39. Are you?
Yeah.
Okay, you're younger than me.
Some people said, maybe, I don't even know if they fucking had rims then.
Nah.
White wall.
I remember some people paint the white walls.
That was it, dude.
I mean, everybody, the only nicest thing you could have us was a 5.0 Mustang.
No, that was a big time.
Yeah, that thing was big, bro.
Convertible.
This one dude floored at one time, and these two fucking real pasty bitches fell right off the back, dude.
They were sitting on the back like they were in a parade, but they're winning a parade.
They got cherry.
And they fucking rolled right off the back, bro.
Cherry marks in the elbows.
It's like rugby, man.
Jason Bryan, I'm trying to think of a neat job that I would like to see you doing, man.
I don't know, man.
You might be one of the last ones like you, bro.
Yeah, I know.
That's what I'm hearing, man.
Somebody maybe.
I don't know.
We'll see what happens after this, man.
I mean, shit.
It's a bestseller book, man.
So you know, like, Tony Dungy went on Twitter and was like basically saying, telling people, you know, I played for coaches that didn't coach like Coach Brown and he didn't need to cuss and stuff.
Oh, yeah.
Tony Dungy seems a little fucking soft, though.
My rebuttal is like, you weren't in junior college and those guys weren't coaching junior college kids.
So it's a little different.
Yeah, I can only imagine, man.
It's already easy enough or it's already these players are already treated like royalty at some of these universities.
They're already given a lot of second, third, fourth, fifth chances.
But the moral of that story I was telling you is that book's the bestseller.
Tony Dungeons isn't.
Gang, bro.
I respect it.
I'd better go with that.
Yeah.
I'm ahead of Tom Brady, too, if you fucking believe that or not.
And his book sales, I don't know if I believe that.
Yeah, Google it.
Really?
Like, fuck, I was just told by my publisher.
I was the number one book.
I hope so.
She ain't lying.
I'm a fire ass.
Look, I'm ready to read it.
They had a coach that gave you a book, The Ego Book.
Read my quote in there, man.
Is it from his?
No, I wrote you a quote in there.
Let me see.
From Page, man.
Theo, I appreciate the support and love.
Much respect for what you do.
Gang, gang, my best.
Coach Brown.
W-I-N, bro.
Win, man.
You know what that means?
What's important now?
That's my thing.
Put a chapter in there.
Read it up.
I appreciate this.
I will.
Coach Brown, thank you so much for being here with us.
Appreciate you, man.
I appreciate it.
Anytime, man.
Do it again.
I really appreciate it, man.
And wish you the best of luck.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Appreciate you guys.
Now I'm just falling on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found.
I can feel it in my bones.
But it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking break and let myself on wine shine that light on me.
I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me And I will find a song I was singing just for me.
And now I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of my hand.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jonathan Kite, and welcome to Kite Club, A podcast where I'll be sharing thoughts on things like current events, stand-up stories, and seven ways to pleasure your partner.
The answer may shock you.
Sometimes I'll interview my friends.
Sometimes I won't.
And as always, I'll be joined by the voices in my head.
You have three new voice messages.
A lot of people are talking about Kite Club.
I've been talking about Kite Club for so long, longer than anybody else.
So great.
Hi, Sui.
Easy deal.
Anyone who doesn't listen to Kite Club is a dodgy bloody wanker.
Jamain.
Hai!
I'll take a quarter potter with cheese and a McFlurry.
Sorry, sir, but our ice cream machine is broken.
I think Tom Hanks just butt-dialed me.
Anyway, first rule of Kite Club is tell everyone about Kite Club.
Second rule of Kite Club is tell everyone about Kite Club.
Third rule, like and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts or watch us on YouTube, yeah?
