March 15, 2026 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Radio Show Hour 1 – 2026/03/14
James Edwards and Keith Alexander interview Estonian MP Ruben Caleb, a 32-year-old Blue Awakening representative who argues Estonia's Finno-Ugric heritage demands survival against Russia's 40 recorded invasions. Caleb details his frontline volunteering in Ukraine, rejects peace talks due to Moscow's imperial goals, and critiques US interventionism in Iran while advocating Westphalian non-intervention. Ultimately, the discussion frames national self-determination as the only path to combatting modern rootlessness and resisting oppressive empire. [Automatically generated summary]
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Ladies and gentlemen, our annual march around the world continues tonight, week number two of four in this year's installment of this special programming.
Last week, we spoke with guests in England, Australia, Mexico, and Canada.
Tonight, we'll be back in the Balkans with retired diplomat Dr. Tomislav Sunic, who will be joining us live from Zagreb in the second hour later tonight still.
A TPC super fan from Brazil will be calling in.
But first, we will travel to Eastern Europe right now with a first time stop in Estonia, where Ruben Caleb is joining us live as we speak.
Ruben, it is great to have you on tonight.
I know we spoke with you in a brief sort of cameo appearance live from American Renaissance a couple of years ago, but this is your first full-length featured appearance, and I'm very excited about it.
Thank you for staying up so late to join us from the far reaches of Eastern Europe.
Good evening, James, and great to be back on the show.
It is great to have you back.
Keith Alexander, my co-host, is here as well.
We'll let him say a quick hello.
Hello.
Okay.
I'm just looking forward to this.
I want to get what your take is on Ukraine and some of these other matters that are going on in your neck of the woods.
We're going to get to all of that this hour.
But first, let's establish your background a little bit, Ruben, for people who may be hearing you for the first time on this program.
Remarkably, you were elected to the Estonian National Parliament when you were just 25 years old, and you're widely regarded amongst our peers in Europe as one of the brightest and most forward-thinking minds among our people on the continent.
So I guess I would just start right there.
How did you manage to land a seat in parliament at 25, such a young age?
I was a member of Estonian nationalist movement and active in that already since high school.
And when I was young, I already built up a nationalist group, a youth movement, youth organization called the Blue Awakening, which also began the torchlight processions during the Estonian Independence Days, which has since become an annual event,
even for the foreign guests who love to come there every year in February.
So this maybe was one of the big impacts that my activities already had since I was rather young.
And as indeed a strong Estonian nationalist and believer in that cause, I have done what I could for my people, my nation, and also I believe for the cause of European nations and freedom for all the nations in the world.
So I believe fighting for what you believe in is something that you should do.
And even if you are young, then you have the energy, you have the passion to do these things, to stand up for what you believe in, and that also can bring results.
We're going to get a little more background on the scene in Estonia, what the issues are in Estonia.
This is a picturesque, almost medieval expression of our people, of nationhood in Eastern Europe.
It is a beautiful, breathtakingly beautiful country.
The capital, Tallinn, seems to be almost like a medieval city with modern conveniences.
We'll talk about all of that.
But as a failed candidate for office before I got into radio so many years ago, I'm fascinated by your success.
You ran at a very similar age to me when I ran, but were far more productive in that endeavor.
And I would just ask you, and we've established that you had already, of course, you didn't just wake up one morning and decide to run for parliament, a seat in parliament.
You had already been elected a leader in various youth movements.
You had built infrastructures.
You had built a network of support.
You had been working since you were even much younger than 25 on these issues in Estonia.
I ran first time for the parliament unsuccessfully when I was 21.
So the second time I ran, I got elected when I was 25.
Well, as someone who has been such an ardent and effective advocate for our issues, what were the issues that you ran on that resonated with the general electorate, the voting public there in Estonia?
What were the issues that got you a seat in parliament?
That's about as high as anybody can go.
I believe the main issue that resonated also with the people, which I consider the most important fundamental issue for a nationalist, is the national survival in an ethnic sense.
And I believe it's important to bring some background here and context about Estonia because a lot of your listeners might not be familiar with my country.
So Estonia is a northeastern European country.
It's a rather small country.
Our population is 1.3 million.
Estonia is situated between Finland in the north, Latvia in the south, Russia in the east, and to the west we have sea and Sweden.
And Estonian people, Estonian nation, is at the same time a very old nation.
We have been here for thousands of years, and all this time we have needed to fight for our survival against several adversaries, either from the East, from the West.
So this kind of struggle for independence and for national continuity has been there for generations and generations.
Estonia has not always been independent.
We have been part of several empires and we have been conquered from the West also.
But of course our main enemy for a thousand years has been Russia, which has invaded Estonia 40 times in our past, 40 recorded times.
And I believe it will not be only 40 in the future.
We will see and we will have to have to fight for our survival again.
I think that's quite likely.
But as such a small nation, to survive, it requires remaining a majority in our land, which is essential and fundamental in order to be able to preserve our culture, our language, and everything that makes us a separate and unique nation.
So during the 20th century, half of that Estonia was under Soviet occupation, and during Soviet occupation, we suffered forced population replacement and migration from the east,
which lowered the percentage of ethnic Estonians in our country to around 65%, which is already a very, very bad situation.
And if we had not been able to regain independence in 1991, we might have become a minority in our own land, which basically means eventual extinction.
That's how I see it.
So in order to preserve our nation, we need to keep that percentage and make it go higher, not lower.
This is what you ran on.
And there was so much there that you said in that last answer that I want to unpack.
Keith was ready to rock and roll when you mentioned Russia.
And I want to get into that, but that's going to be a little bit deeper topic that we explore as the hour continues.
Because, of course, and I've mentioned this to you before, I think, that most pro-white partisans throughout the Western world and here in America view Russia favorably, certainly more favorably than Washington.
And you as an Estonian have a very different take on that.
So we're going to explore that and compare and contrast these perspectives.
But just going back very quickly, one final anecdote on you having won a seat in the parliament.
And you were talking about some of the issues you campaigned on, Estonian nation, Estonian nature, Estonian independence.
And that for you, nationalism, conservatism, and environmentalism are inseparable.
That is a very healthy and responsible outlook for our people.
Because environmentalism, I don't like seeing that hijacked by the left as an issue.
Of course, our people should be concerned with the natural environment.
And you were able to win that seat, even though you have been described as a nationalist and right-wing at best, and certainly more creative adjectives at worst.
And although Wikipedia also calls you a poet, so that's nice of them to say.
Was any of this rhetorical baggage that the enemy applies to healthy people like you and I, was it a hindrance in you winning?
And how are people able to see through that and send you to the capital?
Well, I believe it's an ongoing metapolitical struggle.
Of course, there are all kinds of labels and things that The enemies and adversaries try to put anew, but I believe that it's important not to care too much about that and just to stand up for what you believe in and do the right thing.
Yes, also there are many, many issues and many things we could talk about and which I have been involved.
Environmentalism is a very important thing for me.
Estonia is also very, very much a country of wilderness and a country of unspoiled nature, which we have been able to preserve because of rather small population, small population density, and a lot of land area.
But also, yes, I have published two poetry books and several things which I have done since after the time when I was in parliament.
Currently, I am working as a history and civics teacher in a middle school in Estonian, South Estonian countryside.
Incredible.
Right.
So which topic do we want to take?
Well, I've got one for you, Ruben.
This is Keith.
What is the difference between Russians and Estonians?
Are Russian Slavic and you're Germanic?
Or what?
Break it down for us so we can understand what the distinctions are.
Right.
Estonians are Finno-Ugric, actually.
It's a completely different linguistic group.
It's not even Indo-European.
We are together with the Finns and Hungarians, a rather unique linguistic group, which the roots go back to at least the Bronze Age and probably even deeper.
There are also a lot of other Finno-Ugric peoples who some of them have gone extinct, but a lot of them are living in the territory of Russian Federation and they are being oppressed and their cultures are being suppressed by the authorities in Russia.
So ethnically and culturally already Estonian and Russian peoples and Russian cultures are very different.
But also if we talk about it politically then there are even bigger differences I believe because Estonia is constitutionally an ethnic nation state.
It's an independent country that has been created specifically for the purpose of preserving our ethnic group, our language, our culture.
while Russia in all its historical forms for centuries has always been an empire and multicultural empire, which has not been an ethnic state for preserving Russian ethnicity, which I have nothing against, and I would love to live in peace with them.
Preserving Our Ethnic Identity00:10:22
But this empire ruled from Moscow...
either in Tsarist form or communist form, or this current Russian Federation, which is basically just a ramp state of the collapsed communist empire,
is still this kind of prison of various ethnic groups which it has conquered over the centuries.
And it's not any kind of ethnic, Christian, culturally strong or pro-white country, which some part of Russian propaganda which is being exported to the Western conservatives, which tries to show.
I don't believe a single word of that.
Yeah, well, let me ask you this.
Racially, is there a difference?
For example, could I, can you look at somebody and say that's a Russian and another person say that's an Estonian?
It depends, because you see a Russian nation is a sort of conglomerate.
There are the part of Russians who originate from the areas closer to Estonia, like areas around St. Petersburg, Novgorod, the historical northern Russia,
those people usually have Finno-Ugric roots or Germanic Old Slavic roots, but a lot of this vast area also is lands that are historically Tatar or Mongolic or a lot of different ethnic groups.
So it's a wide empire which has mixed all these different nations together.
And culturally, yes, there is usually a difference because when you go to the parts also in Estonia which are Russian majority parts since the Soviet occupation, those parts are usually not so clean, not so safe, not so peaceful.
People are there usually more loud.
You know, you can usually see a difference.
All right, Ruben, I want to go back to something you said just a second ago.
And there's still so much I want to cover with you this hour.
I want to talk to you about, again, the issues on the ground in Estonia.
I want to move forward at some point to current issues globally.
Obviously, Iran, we have to talk to everybody who appears this month about Iran, and we will.
But going back to what you said about Russia, so I was looking up the demographics.
And, of course, to Western nationalists, including me, including I, I certainly, we certainly see Russia more favorably than our current government.
Then the Poles do, for example.
Very good, Keith.
But again, it's a matter of perspective, I guess.
I'm looking at Estonia's population.
You can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but this is just what I'm getting, is that the ethnic Estonian majority represents about 69% with a significant Russian minority of 25%, which you do view as a separate people, people group.
And Ukrainians at 5%, Belarusians at 1%, Finns, Latvians, etc.
But they're all white, right?
I mean, so to us, that looks like heaven.
I mean, I live in Memphis, Tennessee, here in the American South, which is a majority black city.
And the population— We were listening to what you were saying about they're dirtier and they don't have camp.
I said— Oh boy, I mean, you ought to come to Memphis.
Well, this is it, though, is, again, the compare and contrast.
And so we live in a majority black city as we broadcast this AM talk radio program live tonight.
And, you know, we look at Estonia and we see an all-white wonder place, but you still draw these distinctions.
But I do want to go back to one thing.
And that is, to us, you know, with the Russian Orthodox Church, it does seem more nationalistic, more pro-white, more Orthodox Christian than what we enjoy here.
And so we look at that and say, that's better than what we've got.
You look at it and see something totally different.
How do we square those two perspectives?
Square that circle.
All right.
Well, of course, you're right.
It could always get worse if we opened our borders to the migration from the West or from African Middle East as the Western European.
Did you hear what Trump said last week?
Some news person asked him how is the Muslim world taking the invasion of Iran?
And he said, well, all the Muslim nations have a line behind us except for France and England.
That's a joke, but it's still funny like it was last week, Keith.
Anyway, go back to again your perspective on Russia versus what we see here.
What I was originally talking about was the percentage.
And even if you look at the percentage of, for example, the ethnic French people in Paris, in the capital city, which probably is already a minority, and it's a very bad thing.
Overall, in the whole country, in France, I think it's still higher than in Estonia, where we simply don't have the numbers, the mass, to have the buffer against any potential migration.
So if the percentage of an native ethnic group is already below 70%, I think that's a big danger.
And it doesn't matter in that sense.
Yes, we are under pressure from different sides right now because there's also like.
The European Union, I guess, wants you to take in immigrants.
Yes, yes.
Yes, that's right, that's right.
And also, I think economically, a lot of businessmen who don't have that strong national instinct simply want to support a cheaper workforce.
Maybe not specifically from outside Europe, but still from other Eastern European Slavic countries or countries like Caucasian, you know, those countries.
And in that sense, if we want to preserve our culture, our language, it doesn't really matter if they from one part or another part, because we are still going extinct if we let them into our country too much.
Well, I mean, you know, I think what you're saying is, see, we see it here from a majority black city.
Well, everybody over there is pretty much white, right?
So, I mean, it's still a lot better.
And you said, yes, it can always get worse.
But I think this would be something that Courtney from Alabama could relate to.
What Rubin is saying is he wants to maintain the ethnic and cultural and racial identity of Estonia for Estonians, whereas here in the American South, even if whites are coming in from other places, they are not native-born southerners, and there is a very real difference.
The divide is white and black, but there is a you're looking at preserving the founding stock of Estonia, I guess.
Would that be a fairly important thing?
Absolutely, absolutely.
But also, I want to address what you asked earlier about Russians being generally very conservative or Christian or society.
We do have to take a hard break.
Just a few things.
I think it's a rather hollow impression because Russian society may be outside.
They like to present all these things.
But they are very, very degenerate and society at the same time, which has a very high number of men, HAV, and so on.
Hold on right there, my friend.
We have to take a quick break.
I'm going to circle back to this.
We're still going to talk about this and so much more with Ruben.
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We're back tonight, this 14th day of March 2026, live in Estonia with Ruben Caleb.
He is 32 years old at the age of 25.
He was elected to the Estonian Parliament.
As I said at the beginning of the program, widely considered, and quite rightly so, by his contemporaries and peers to be one of the most effective and forward-thinking leaders for our race in Europe.
He is, of course, a politician, a poet, really a philosopher, a historian, a teacher, as he mentioned.
And Ruben, I want to give you all the time to continue your thoughts on Russia, and we will make time for that.
But I want to ask you this first.
Again, comparing to the multicultural hellscape of so many American cities, including this one that we are in tonight, a place like Tallinn is breathtakingly beautiful, even compared to the historic capitals of the European nations, Paris, London, Vienna.
A place like Tallinn is relatively unspoiled.
It may not be 100%, it may not be 100% Estonian, but it is virtually 100% white.
How have Estonians been able to preserve that racial demography whereas so many other capitals of the European nations have fallen?
Overwhelmed.
Well, I agree.
Estonia is indeed, I believe, probably one of the cleanest countries in the world and indeed one of the most high trust societies, which I think it's possible because it's small and cohesive in the most part society, which is this sort of network,
network of small communities, which historically have been rather self-sufficient.
It's not just the capital city, Tallinn.
You would probably love the countryside.
And I myself live in South Estonian countryside in a farm between forests and hills and fields.
It's really, really beautiful place.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And it's completely safe, clean, and beautiful and wonderful.
We want to preserve it.
I think it's well, because at one hand, we are in the crossroads of many empires historically.
On the other hand, it's still rather a periphery of Europe and with that much of wilderness and deep forests and wetlands.
All those invaders at some point have simply got lost there.
Well, it's just a little to preserve it, yes.
Well, we know a little bit about invaders here in the American South being sons of Confederate veterans as we are here.
And again, you can differentiate between the different manifestations of the white race.
We may all be a brotherhood of Western civilization in some regards, but that is not to say that we here in Tennessee view people from California or New York as exactly the same as we are.
And that goes back to what you were talking about, I think.
And, you know, Ruben, we have done a few collaborations for the American Free Press newspaper.
Matter of fact, in the very next issue coming out, we did a big panel discussion on the war in Iran.
Ruben participated in that along with a lot of all-stars.
Tom Sumich was one of them.
He's coming up next.
So check that out.
But a couple of years ago, Ruben, we had done a full-length feature interview for American Free Press.
And I was talking to you about the great replacement that is taking place in the United States and Western Europe and that Estonia had apparently not been so impacted.
But you said, well, not so fast.
It really has already endured a great replacement during the Soviet occupation.
So again, that goes back to what you were saying before the break about how you differentiate, whereas we here in America, not so much, but you'd certainly differentiate between Estonians and Russians, even though you're right next door.
Yes, but maybe to conclude the earlier discussion about Russia and Russia, I think, well, for me, it's not so much about Russian people or Russian historical culture, which I respect, but it's more about the Russian state and its history.
Because for centuries, Russia simply has not had that kind of ethno-state or tradition of nation-state as most of European countries have had.
It has always been this sort of oppressive imperial rule from Moscow.
And this has not been benevolent towards Russian people themselves.
Even if we look at what is happening right now, how the Russian government or rulers are sending thousands of young men to die every day.
Around 1,000 men every day get either killed or maimed for life in Ukraine trying to conquer just 10 meters of land.
And it's done simply out of spite to get back the lands that they lost when the Soviet Union collapsed.
This government in Moscow, is it Putin or is it any other Russian ruler from within that system?
They simply cannot understand the way how Europeans see nation-state, because for them it's simply about gathering more territory.
It's about power.
It's about dominance.
And they cannot accept losing land to independent nations who want to find their own way of life.
Well, let's get into that then.
What you're talking about.
And again, I mean, we've had guests on who are very, you know, Russo supportive of that side of it all.
Russo-Felic, I guess you could say.
But quite a few.
And I respect them.
But this is another thing that people need to remember.
You can have a diversity of opinion amongst our people.
You know, this is something that I don't know if other people groups do because I've only been a part of ours and I've only been on the right.
But if you can agree on 99% of issues, but it'll be that 1% of issues that will cause you to break ranks and break the bonds of fellowship.
And we try to not do that here.
That is not the way we live.
In America, of course, it doesn't matter that much.
You can have a lot of discussion and various opinions.
But for us here, and for Ukrainians or for our other neighbors who are preparing for what we see as very probable, very likely eventual Russian new invasion, it's an existential question for us.
And I can certainly say that.
But what I'm just trying to say, to your perspective from I would probably, you're a lot closer to Russia than we are.
And so you have an informed opinion that I do not.
I freely admit to that.
And as I say, you being there and having these concerns about an invasion are very real.
I mean, you are a nation that is, your entire nation has a population the size of the greater Memphis area, which is a medium-sized city in America.
I mean, you know, to put that into perspective, ladies and gentlemen, so of course, I mean, you understand as southerners, we want to preserve our unique cultural and ethnic identity that is different from other whites, even here on this continent.
So I can totally relate to you on that, Ruben.
That, I mean, you were describing earlier painting a verbal picture of where Estonia stands on the global map.
And I can sit in a map room all day.
I talk about it all the time.
I love looking at maps.
I love geography.
And you were there and you share this border with Russia.
And this Russo-Ukrainian conflict, you see differently than a lot of dissidents in America do.
And you've talked about that tonight.
I think that's been established.
But, you know, people forget now.
And we've got to get to Iran.
But there is still a war going on there.
I mean, the Russian-Ukrainian war has sort of just been kicked to page 12.
What is the latest standing in that particular conflict?
It's really not being discussed anymore.
A year ago, I was there visiting the front lines in Ukraine as a volunteer with an Estonian.
I was going to say, part of this interruption, but you actually engaged in the conflict.
I was going to ask you about that.
I thought that you did.
And in fact, I believe I have seen pictures of it.
You actually went there and were fighting.
Well, not specifically fighting with a weapon on the front line, but we were bringing supplies to the front line to the Ukrainian troops.
And we brought them vehicles from Estonia.
We spent weeks with the soldiers near the front line and shared the dangers with them.
We were in places in villages where the artillery shells were falling and we saw at night the drones and missiles in the sky.
Sort of unforgettable thing to see in the starry night sky where you think that you see a falling star, but then there's another star rising towards it.
And there's, you know, it's hard to even describe all these things.
But I remember really fighting for their nation, fighting for their lives, fighting for their families.
Those simple men from all kinds of all fields of Ukrainian society who are fighting there.
It's not for their government or for any political issue.
It's simply people standing up for their nation, which is, I think, something that every person, every patriot, every nationalist should do when your country is invaded.
Well, you know, and again, we've talked about the history of that.
I mean, historically, you go back far enough.
Ukraine was the land of the Ruse.
But, I mean, of course, I am a southern nationalist here in the United States.
So, of course, we were part of the United States before we weren't for that brief four-year period.
And yet still that allegiance lingers.
And so I get it.
I do understand, and I can relate.
I remember, of course, I respect Charles Bosman.
He's a friend of mine, a Russian Insider.
And I remember talking to Charles back in 2022, and he was talking about how this thing would be over in a few days.
And of course, you know, you set yourself up for failure when you try to predict how any sort of issue or conflict will resolve itself.
But here we are now, four years in, and it's not over yet.
So I would ask you very quickly, and I want to talk to you about Iran.
And again, Estonia's place in the reclamation of Europe's destiny and how it fits into this whole brotherhood of our people.
But do you see this?
I mean, I guess at some point this conflict will have to resolve itself.
How do you see that happening?
And what would be in the best interest of whites worldwide as one brotherhood of man, so to speak?
What would be the best resolution for Ukraine and Russia and Estonia?
Well, I don't see at the moment really any sort of lasting peace agreement which Russia as in in in its current form would be able to respect for Russia.
Signing a peace agreement is simply preparation, finding uh uh gaining uh time for uh to prepare for uh next invasion.
Uh so I think uh and uh and uh that's of course uh what Ukrainians uh and uh especially the Ukrainian soldiers who are uh fighting at the front they uh they see.
So even though uh those men are uh exhausted, they have been uh fighting full-scale war for uh more than four years now, uh there's uh no real uh pressure uh by the Ukrainian society towards their government to uh uh surrender in any form.
It's rather the opposite uh if the Ukrainian government would succumb to the uh American pressure and uh uh surrender the land that has not been occupied by Russia even, uh, which uh uh it looks like uh Donald Trump is uh trying to uh push Ukraine to do that, uh, but that would uh rather bring Ukrainians on the street to revolt against their government.
I think they're uh simply not uh uh not ready to do anything like that.
It's certainly a mixed bag, and you can see it from all sides if you allow yourself to be that and you feel like the best route for America is just to walk away from Washington and say you guys settle it.
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Well, I mean, that's true from I guess a selfish American perspective, not necessarily selfish.
I mean, we do see our you know the traditional George Washington foreign policy to absolve from foreign conflicts.
Of course, America has done nothing of the sort, but we have friends here who are listeners of the program who have traveled to Kiev.
They call it Kyiv now, but to Kiev and has reported live from the scene.
So, I mean, I can see that from all angles.
And it's a terrible tragedy any time white people are fighting white people.
But let's move on because we only have 10 minutes left.
And I certainly want to end with a question on Ukraine.
Ruben, this has been.
I had very high expectations for this interview tonight.
And you have cleared the bar by every standard of measurement.
It has exceeded already high expectations.
But let's get into this.
And I want to talk to you about what role Estonia can play in the future for our people and in Europe.
But let's get to Iran, because this was a question you had very selflessly participated in this most recent newspaper interview.
Iran, now you've got the war in Russia and Ukraine.
You've got the war in Iran.
What are your takes on that just in general?
You can go in any direction you'd like with that one.
Yeah, well, just to continue from the previous topic, well, you just raised the topic whether America should even be involved in overseas conflicts like that.
And ultimately, I think there's no use for America for anything like that, because first of all,
It's simply not the business of any great empire to either America, Russia, or China, to be playing sort of world police or fulfilling its imperial plans and uh demands.
Uh in in, uh.
In World War One, for example, we were dragged into that against our will.
Same thing, basically for World War II, uh and it's, and of course with with Iran, uh well, uh again uh, uh.
My uh basic, uh uh foundation where I, where I come from with this is, I believe in the Westphalian principles, which is the sovereignty of nation states and non-intervention in the internal affairs of other countries.
So this is why I think that it's wrong and stupid to say that there should be no international law or that power should decide everything.
It has nothing to do with globalist ideas of World War I and World War II.
And now Israel has gotten us into Iran.
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, we don't need it but I'm not sure.
There is a traditionalist or a very very traditional European understanding how international relations should be conducted.
And I believe these Westphalian principles are one of the high points of European tradition and the historical development of European diplomacy.
So I think we should honor that.
And also as a nationalist, I believe in the self-determination for all nations.
So that's also why I'm against imperialism.
Well, let's get into that then as we begin to run out of time.
And Ruben, I want to thank you again for staying up.
I say this to all the guests who join us live from Europe, whether you're in England, where it's a little bit earlier, or once you get into Eastern Europe a little later, and some parts of Russia and Australia, it's already into Sunday.
But I appreciate you staying up so late with us to accommodate our audience and our live broadcast schedule.
But in speaking of the self-determination of all peoples and all people groups, as we certainly agree that we are all one people in a manner of speaking, but we do have differences that we want to preserve and foster and that we want to exist and extend for all times.
We're going to talk to Tom Sunich in the next hour in Croatia, which is another it's not quite as small as Estonia, but it's not a major European power.
What role can Estonia and these other smaller nation states in Europe play in the reclamation of Europe's destiny and the betterment of our people going forward?
I believe that small nations together can also be strong and create strong regional power block or strong regional deterrence.
So geopolitically, I think it's rather determined that it's in the interest of everyone in our region.
I mean the countries from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea to cooperate and stand against the foreign threats, especially the Russian threat.
And there's already huge huge steps being made towards that cooperation, especially as we see Ukraine really becoming sort of great power in European politics that in the future will definitely have a say about the future of Estonia,
about the future of Europe, sorry, and also Poland, another rising power in our region.
So with these two countries there's a great chance of new sort of axes around which also small countries like the Boltics or the Balkans can revolve.
I want to give Keith a final word on this at this hour, but this is what you wrote in an interview that we did again for the American Free Press a couple of years ago.
This is the writing of Ruben Caleb, our guest live right now.
Just to show you where his mind is and quite frankly how well he writes.
You write, the ancient European spirit is still alive here in Estonia among the scattered villages, deep forests and lakes, the melodies of our folk songs and even the structure of our language.
Every descendant of European ancestors whose heart is open to it can experience it during a visit here.
It is a secret hidden deep within our ethnic subconscious, defying explanation and eluding definition.
I firmly believe that this spiritual heritage is precisely what Europe needs in its quest to overcome the pervasive rootlessness of the modern world.
Estonia stands as a living testament to the power of reconnecting with one's roots.
This holds the key to unlocking a new awakening, a renaissance grounded in the timeless wisdom of our ancestors.
I urge all who share the European legacy to rediscover their roots.
Only this can bring about a true awakening and a brighter future for European children.
Ruben, I don't think there is anything any of us could have said tonight that would have topped what you wrote in that interview a couple of years ago.
This hour went by far too quickly.
We could have gone three hours with you, and it still wouldn't have been enough.
Thank you for being with us tonight.
Keith, a final word to Ruben and what we heard this hour.
Well, Ruben, indeed.
You know, there's a group that has not been mentioned at all so far.
They were in charge of Russia through most of the 19th, 20th century, and they're in charge of America now.
And they seem to be the ones that want to be the ones that want both Russia and America and other nations to go to war.
The American people are basically like Greta Garvo.
They just want to be left alone.
I'm sure that's the way it is with Russians, Estonians, Poles as well.
Let's hope they won't be in power for too long.
That is a great place to leave it.
Indeed, Keith, they were not mentioned this hour.
But Estimos.
Always on our minds.
Ruben Caleb, thank you for joining us live from Estonia tonight.
We appreciate you so much.
We're going to go to Croatia next, backtracking through Europe to another time zone.