Nov. 16, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Great first hour, great first hour, live from the floor of the American Renaissance Conference, the 2025 American Renaissance Conference.
On-the-scenes correspondence, you heard from Eric Orwal.
You heard from Rick Tyler.
You heard from Greg Johnson, Roger Devlin, and our friend Linda Baum.
Five different correspondents all there on the ground as it takes place around them.
We're going to get to our next guest in about one minute.
But first, two things I want to read.
Email that came in just a couple of days ago.
When you continue three weeks later to receive feedback from an interview you did last month, you know, it was something special.
This listener writes, your recent episode with Mary Fagan Keene was one of the most fascinating interviews I've ever heard.
I was infuriated hearing it, but I couldn't stop listening.
I looked up the Wikipedia article on Leo Frank, and it's maddening how the so-called historical census manipulates the truth.
You're doing a great service for us all and honoring Little Mary Fagan's memory by getting her niece on the show, her interview out there for the world to hear.
Keith, I know this is something that is near and dear to your heart, these historical interviews.
And I want to thank everyone again for listening to the interview, much less writing about it.
Three weeks later, still getting feedback from that one.
That was a good one, I will admit.
Well, look, Mary Fagan was a very key pivotal player in Jewish history in America.
Basically, B'nai Brith was founded by Jews to raise money to get Leo Frank off the hook for his criminal activities.
None other than the Nation of Islam has published a very key book on all this, very well researched, according to Ron Huns, about basically the name of that book is Leo Frank, The Lynching of a Guilty Man.
And he was.
And the people in Georgia weren't going to put up with it.
See, Jewish power and influence worked to such an extent, they got a retrial.
They got the wealthiest and best lawyers that money could buy in defending Leo Frank.
He was found guilty, and then they got to the governor of Georgia and bribed him into commuting his sentence.
And this so outraged the townspeople, they stormed the jail, pulled Leo Frank out, and hung him.
Well, I mean, you know, they commuted it.
He was still going to do life.
The inmates, I think, got him.
But nevertheless, that is an interesting interview.
Go back in the archives.
You can find it for yourself.
And then Chad Crowley on X. Even though I'm back on X, I'm not a proficient Xer.
Used to be called a tweeter.
But nevertheless, I am back.
But Chad Crowley quoted Pat Buchanan with a picture of Pat, a very handsome picture of Pat.
And the quote is this, in the coming world, I think the wars of race, ethnicity, and culture are going to be replaced.
They're going to replace the old wars of ideology, dynasty, and empire.
I see that coming, and it's not a pleasant sight.
That's the quote from Pat.
Chad Crowley, then underneath it, writes, you see this quote shared often, but never is the source mentioned.
It originates from an interview on the political CESPAL where James Edwards interviewed the brilliant Pat Buchanan.
Give James a follow.
Few still ask the hard-hitting questions that truly matter.
And he's done so with convictions for many years.
Thank you, Chad Crowley, for that.
And, you know, I was not aware until I looked it up how widespread that particular quote from Buchanan is on social media.
And it did originate on this program.
And we have interviewed interesting people.
We have interviewed accomplished people.
And we interview a man who is both.
Right now, he is back with us, Lou Moore, Ron Paul's former campaign manager when he ran for president, that historic campaign, former chief of staff, in Washington for many years.
And always good to catch up with Lou on current events and whatever else.
Any reason to have Lou's on is a good reason.
He is back with us now.
Lou, thank you for that, and thanks for the long introduction, or sitting through it rather.
And it's great to have you.
How are you, Lou?
Just fine, James.
Good to be with you.
We have a lot to talk to you about, my friend.
And I want to cover a well, Thanksgiving's coming up, so we'll use the adjective cornucopia of issues that are out there, current events, etc.
But first, I think we should talk about the ending of the government shutdown, the so-called shutdown of the federal government.
It was the longest in United States history.
And when our mutual friend Steve Stockman was on back at, I believe it was the end of September, and this thing was just kicking off, and he predicted it would last at least a month.
It did, and then some.
It was a little over 40 days, I believe.
So Stockman nails it again, always prescient.
And so I would ask you, I mean, are there winners and losers to this thing?
Who comes out looking better?
What was the whole thing really about?
And who benefits?
Que bono.
Well, I mean, the government shutdown was driven by the left of the Democrat Party determined to show opposition to Trump, you know, 24-7 any time they can.
And, you know, despite all the disruptions of the shutdown, they seem to have gotten away with it.
And I say that because of the election results in New Jersey, in New York, in Virginia, where their base was very energized by the anti-Trump message, not to mention California and the proposition Newsom put on the ballot out there.
So their base was very energized.
All they did was run against Trump, and they dodged the bullet that, you know, some of us thought they might not dodge because the leadership of the government unions, normally the core and the core of their base, they were apoplectic about this shutdown.
And they've been calling for weeks for the Democrats to just vote for this clean CR that the Republicans put on the table.
And, you know, the government leaders of these government unions were ignored by the Democrat leadership.
But, you know, at the same time, it's also clear that Schumer blinked and gave eight members of the Democrat caucus who are not up for reelection in the coming cycle permission to go across to the Republicans and end the shutdown before the Thanksgiving holiday created a total apocalypse with the airways,
with the air traffic controller issue that emerged with the shutdown.
So, I mean, and the Republicans, you know, you think, oh, the Republicans won this.
The Republicans didn't seem to win this at all.
And, you know, they offered them Biden-level spending levels on a clean CR with no demands.
And, you know, they really didn't get anything out of that, in my opinion.
Well, did you hear this?
This is Keith, by the way.
Lou, good to hear your voice.
I heard that there was some type of secret, undisclosed legislation in the extension bill that allows the Democrats to bring suit against Trump and the Trump administration for basically trying to prosecute people like Letitia James and whatnot, things like that.
On the other hand, it also allows our people to do the same thing to them, which would seem to be a wash to me.
But on the other hand, I think that we should have embraced as Republicans the shutdown.
Wait, are you a Republican now?
Well, you got kicked out.
They sent back your membership.
I did get kicked out.
I forgot all about that.
But anyway, you know, the only time I'm a Republican is when I have to make a choice between Republicans and Democrats.
But nonetheless, what I would like to see is them use this as an opportunity to use it as an opportunity to enforce Doge type cuts across the full spectrum of government employment.
It would have been a wonderful thing to see.
And boy, I think that would have really set them howling about it.
What do you think?
Well, it certainly would have, and it was threatened.
And Russell Vogue talked about this.
But the fact is, Keith, it's pretty clear right now, and it's getting clearer to a lot of people in the MAGA base that the special interests are as strong as ever and are exerting quite a bit of pressure on our president.
I mean, you bring up Doge.
What did we get out of Doge?
Nothing.
$9 billion in cuts in a $7 trillion budget.
And, you know, they brought up the idea of getting rid of a bunch of these government employees during this shutdown.
Not much action there.
And I know courts were poised to oppose that and whatnot.
But there was no big confrontation from that either.
So this is why I'm saying, you know, the Republicans, I don't think, got anything out of this.
And, you know, what were they going to do?
Well, did you listen to the Laura Ingram interview of Trump?
We're going to get to that.
We're going to get to that in the next segment.
Well, as a matter of fact, it doesn't even matter because there's the music.
Lou Moore, with us this entire hour, we're going to talk a little bit more about this and then transition into, yes, Trump's misstep on H-1B.
He has consistently been all over the map on that issue since 2016.
Lou Moore's going to break it down.
Lou, a veteran GOP operative and friend of ours, will be right back with him.
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And we are back with Lumore with not a second to spare.
So much I want to get into tonight with Lou.
But first, let's wrap up his take on the billed as this government shutdown.
I didn't really, it didn't really affect me in any way in my daily life.
Did it you, Keith?
Nope.
Not as long.
I couldn't really tell they weren't in business.
But nevertheless, winners, losers, takeaways.
Final thought on that.
And then we will move into redistricting.
And then later, Trump's very curious week.
Keith wants to talk about H-1Bs.
I want to talk about that too, while keeping it on an even keel and an objective perspective.
But on the shutdown, final word to you on that, Lou.
Yeah, I think the biggest winner was the Democratic left.
And Chuck Schumer was probably the single biggest loser.
And I don't know how he could have been anything else in the position he was in.
But, you know, they're pounding the crap out of him right now.
And he was weak and he caved into Trump.
He let these people cross the aisle and vote with the Republicans.
So, you know, that is one tangible item I think that comes out of this shutdown.
The other one is the interesting erosion of Trump's support, according to pollsters across the spectrum, including a couple of very pro-Trump pollsters and the baby boomers, a generation I'm sometimes ashamed to be affiliated with.
I think were made nervous.
You know, that Trump makes them nervous in a number of areas.
These are the low-information, so-called moderate independent voters that are baby boomers.
But this seemed to add to their disquiet and unsettledness about Trump, and it seems to have affected his numbers.
That's a little bit indirect.
But anyway, I think those are the two tangibles that you get out of this shutdown.
Okay.
Well, I mean, it has been both sides blaming the other for the entirety of all of the unpleasantness.
And, well, we have the neutral arbiter, Lou Moore, who is.
Well, I mean, what can I say about Lou?
I mean, he's just right on point.
He doesn't take sides.
He just tells you the truth.
And that is why we wanted him on tonight.
Again, a great capstone, a great cap to when this whole thing first started.
We have Steve Stockman tonight as it ends.
We have Lou Moore, and we'll see where it goes.
But they only funded the government for like a few weeks.
It's like they only funded it for about as long as they were out of session.
And then in January, presumably we go through all this again.
Yep, January 30th, they will run out of money again, and we will get to do the dance one more time.
Well, hopefully a little bit of that money will flow our way because never have I ever seen money flow to the actual people on the right that are doing good work.
But hope springs.
Okay, so Lou.
Now, that having been said and established, we'll put a cap on that because we need to move on to things that interest me more than the shutdown that didn't really affect me.
I mean, I went through my daily life and I didn't lose my SNAP benefits or anything like that, but that'll get them.
Well, the only thing that is really going to affect the boomers is Social Security retirement.
And as long as you don't touch that, they're running around like chicken little, basically, if they're upset about it.
I don't care two hoots in hell about SNAP benefits, to tell you the truth, because I don't get them.
All right.
So redistricting, Lou.
This has been a big thing since the election or the election day back last week is that California passed this initiative to where they could redraw the line similarly to how Texas has redrawn theirs.
I mean, people are a bit apoplectic about that because it's not that big of a deal, really.
I mean, put it all on an even keel for us here.
So California has 52 total seats in the U.S. House of Representatives.
The current delegation in Congress from California consists of 43 Democrats and nine Republicans.
So they could draw out a few of those Republicans.
You know, interestingly, as we have mentioned, in New England, the six New England states vote 40% Republican.
They have zero Republican representatives.
That's because they have already gerrymandered all of their Republicans out of office.
There's more room for gerrymandering on the right, I believe, than the left.
Tennessee would be a perfect example.
Well, we could do the one Democrat out in short order if we had the will to do it.
Well, and then if you have this voting rights thing pass the Supreme Court as we expect them to decide on it, that opens up a lot of gains for Republicans in the House.
But let's talk about it.
Texas, California, the potential for the South to basically eliminate all the black members of Congress.
Indiana decides they're not going to redistrict.
They're not going to play that game.
They're above all of that.
Utah now has a Democratic district right in the heart of blood red Utah.
What's going on with redistricting across the map?
Well, I mean, there's a lot of dynamics involved, James, but the bottom line is, you know, the Democrats have been playing smash mouth politics since the time of FDR.
It's really been unabated, pretty much.
The Republicans have rarely, if ever, played on that level or in that way, which is why Sam Francis used to always say the Democrats were the evil party and the Republicans were the stupid party, but pretty accurate, in my opinion.
But MAGA, you know, Trump has a different attitude.
MAGA has a different attitude.
A lot of these young staffers that are up on Capitol Hill now have a different attitude and staffers at the RNC and these various entities, you know, they're ready to get on with it, but there is still the vestiges of these rhinos that just think they are above the fray.
And this is what you saw in Indiana.
Of course, Mike Pence intervened in Indiana and prevented them from doing the thing there.
Here in Utah, I don't even want to talk about Utah.
Utah just infuriates me.
But that's kind of, you know, I live here and it's kind of personal.
But yes, we gave up.
We have probably given up a Republican seat for what will probably be a fairly safe Democrat seat that will be in Salt Lake City.
And there was absolutely no reason for it.
What minorities do you have in Salt Lake City, pray telling?
Oh, they're pouring in, Keith, at a rapid race.
Hey, don't kid yourself.
Don't kid yourself.
The white population is going down more than 10% a decade throughout this state, throughout this state, and it's far as higher in Salt Lake.
It's quite a bit higher in Salt Lake.
So, in other words, you have a black district in Utah.
Well, it's not black, but it's – What is it?
That's what I want to know.
Well, it's not black.
It's a Democrat district.
And I'm not prepared to give you the exact demographics, but Salt Lake is, I mean, every city in Utah is majority white, but many of them are far less majority than you might think.
I mean, it's only about 10 years.
It's got to be basically Hispanic.
Well, not every white votes Republican, as you know.
Well, that's the thing.
I mean, it's, I mean, basically, we're looking, I mean, I'm looking at it in a partisan way, and this district is going to be a Democrat district unless they really screw it up.
I mean, they'll have to run a moderate Democrat here, but it'll be a Democrat district.
Anyway, looking across the country, there's a different set of facts in every state, but there is significant resistance in every state to the Republicans playing the way the Democrats have played.
And even in Texas, I mean, they just about had to march them, you know, with a shotgun in their backs, the establishment in Texas, to get the job done there.
And a lot of people think it could have been nine districts in Texas, a whole lot of people that I've talked about.
Well, you know, just think about this, though.
You know, we've got people like that good Mormon Glenn Beck always pacify, always, you know, offering the olive branch and having it thrown back in his face by the Democrats.
We have so many of these so-called self-appointed spokesmen for our people who basically sell us down the river at every opportunity and, you know, pat themselves on the back for being high-minded.
You know, what can we do about that, Lou?
Is there anything we can do?
Well, we have to ruthlessly take power away from these people.
And more and more people, and more and more people are thinking that way and realize that that's the case.
And, you know, there's a world, it's World War III in Utah right now with, using my state as an example, within the Republican Party.
I mean, within the Republican.
I mean, the last time Mitt Romney had the guts to even stand in front of the Republican state convention here, the booing was so loud, I thought the raptors were going to shake loose.
I mean, it was unbelievable.
Good.
Good.
It was unbelievable.
But anyway, so it's a publication.
People of Utah.
Go ahead.
You go back.
You mentioned you invoked the name of the sainted Sam Francis.
Another thing that he called so many of our people are beautiful losers.
That's what the people of Indiana are.
They would rather lose than play the kind of winner-take-all politics that the left has played since before Goldwater.
You were out knocking on doors as Goldwater in a papoose.
They need to revisit Leo DeRosher's famous comment that nice guys finished last.
I mean, you go back to, that's right, Keith.
You go back to Goldwater, Lou, and the Republicans have consistently wanted to lose so long as the left will consider them to be good people or something.
I don't know.
But I think it's Stockholm syndrome, a kind of carryover from the civil rights movement when they bludgeoned southerners so bad they basically said, we'll say and do anything, just stop beating us.
Well, if the Supreme Court goes our way on the voting rights, Section 2 of the voting rights, that could open up a whole new field of play where a lot of seats are going to turn.
But as it stands, Texas is going to negate, or rather, California, in theory, will negate Texas.
Utah just gave them a free district.
So what is the plus and the minus as we head into the midterms?
If, and we're going to get into Trump's latest misadventures in the next segment, if the Republicans get back on message, what do we look like, you know, a year from now?
Well, I mean, the big ticket item that you mentioned, James, is this Voting Rights Act revision potentially before the Supreme Court.
And also Trump's order to quit counting illegal aliens, which, you know, they count aliens in the census, which gives the Democrats more seats that way, too, because they're mostly in the Democrat area.
A lot of people don't think about that.
Well, then, you know, we have this traditional historic situation where voting rights and voting regulations are set by the states.
We've got to, I don't think that's written in stone anywhere.
Hold on to attack that.
We have to take a break.
We'll be back with the great, the incomparable Luke Moore.
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All right, talking to Lou Moore tonight about all things.
Lou I love for so many reasons.
I mean, he has become such a good friend over the last year and not much longer than that, a little more than a year, year and a half.
But boy, we've done a lot together and we're going to do even more still.
And we're working on things.
And I talk to Lou just about every day these days.
And nevertheless, we're talking to Lou tonight about, of course, the shutdown, redistricting.
And we're going to get into Trump's Curious Week.
Yes, we're going to mention H-1B.
We're going to mention Epstein.
But a final word on redistricting and how this, you know, all of this shuffling of the cards sort of projects for the midterms.
It's important.
It is.
We're talking about Texas, California, Indiana, Utah, the wildcard, which is the voting rights decision, which could open up a lot of Southern seats into play.
Final word on that, Lou, before we go to Trump.
Yeah, I mean, I think if we win that decision, if Trump is able somehow to pull off another census and have the courts allow that to happen, I mean, we could gain 30 seats right there as far as this battle in the states.
We'll win that.
But by how many, I'm not sure because there's cold feet all over the place.
But there's people fighting in North Carolina.
And, I mean, there's several states where there may yet be some more districts that would come our way.
I mean, that one's kind of up in the air.
But the big ticket item, I think, is definitely the Supreme Court ruling that will come down on the Voting Rights Act.
I think that will determine if there's some real advantage or not that comes out of this.
Well, we've still got to deal with the gorilla on the living room couch, which is this cowardly streak among Republican politicians about being called a racist.
That dates back decades and decades, generations upon generations.
It's like kryptonite to them.
They'd rather plead guilty to pedophilia than be accused of racism.
How do we deal with these pussy willows?
Well, Keith, it's on so many issues.
I mean, thank you for adding Willow to that, Keith.
Yeah.
Go Lou.
At the last second.
No.
But seriously, Keith, it's on so many issues.
They don't want to offend the pharmaceutical lobby.
They don't want to offend anyone.
That's money.
They want to just kind of slither through and get their wife a lobbying job and get them a million-dollar lobbying job if they ever decide they don't want to be in Congress anymore.
And I mean, this is a problem on both sides, but it's a huge problem on our side of the fence.
It really is.
Well, you know, pharma, big pharma is money and money talks and BS walks.
And I can understand that, but how have they been so cast?
How have the Democrats cast this spell on Republicans where they no longer represent their people?
Well, I can answer that because we have to move on.
The Democrats stand for every race except for whites.
And so therefore, it is.
And the Republicans do too.
Well, I mean, the Republicans, a lot of them are terrified.
They're still terrified of the legacy media.
They don't get it that the young people don't pay any attention to any of these channels, no matter what they believe, and that there's a growing number all the way up to baby boomers that are tuned into alternative media.
They don't need to be terrified of what they're going to go.
To the extent that they do pay attention to them, they would be improving their prospects with them if they did go against the point.
The members of Congress are not indicative of where the Republican voting base is, where the white voting base is.
This whole thing is trending in our direction.
Unfortunately, the people that are in charge of making decisions right now are still not entirely on board.
But projecting future, I am bullish on the future in some ways.
But nevertheless, the members of Congress right now, as Lou just mentioned, are not so adept.
And so this is where we are.
They rely on Fox News or worse for their daily bread.
And so this is where we're at at this present moment.
But let's move to Trump, Lou.
Not a good week for the president.
I mean, I am overall still in favor of him and all he's done.
You go back 10 years, you look at 2016, and you look at 2025.
And how did we get here?
You know, people tell me, you know, James, I wish you had a name to show the political cesspool.
Okay, I get it.
You know, I was 24.
But, you know, I'm 45 now.
So I think maybe that fits pretty well.
I get it, but I'm just saying, you know, you stick to the person who took you to the dance, and you look at all of this advancement on our side.
I do not believe it happens without Trump, whether it was his intention or not.
It doesn't matter.
This is the guy who got us there.
And so for that reason, and for many others, I mean, there's a lot of good things.
Jared Tanner gave a speech today talking about all the good things Trump has done.
A lot of good things still to be celebrated from Trump 2.0.
H-1B visas, that interview that Keith affirmation with Laura Ingram, not good.
The Epstein files, he's not handling that well.
He's saying that, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson are not MAGA, but Lindsey Graham and Randy Fine are not good, not good, not good.
We're not going to lie about that.
We're not going to say that everything he does is golden.
When he does things we like, we will say so.
When he does things we don't like, we will point it out.
I would say it has not been a good week.
Well, let me make this comment.
He does things for the wrong reasons that are the right actions.
For example, if he's going to send a bunch of Muslim students out of the country and he's doing it because of their opposition to Israeli interests or whatnot, well, that's fine.
Let's get rid of those guys and we'll take care of the Israelis next week.
Well, anyway, I totally applaud him doing that.
Trump was never the terminus.
He was just a port of call en route to the destination.
And I think, Lou, he has served that purpose.
I still say that.
I am still generally supportive of him in so many ways.
Overall, he has been a net gain for us.
You cannot deny it.
This movement has exploded over the last 10 years under his watch.
But I toss it to you because you have been there.
You have been in Washington.
You have advised presidential campaigns at the highest level.
Where do you stand on where we stand with Trump and the overall good of the base?
I'm still for Trump, 100%.
This means the thing, James, and I've been saying it since the election.
We did not have enough leverage as the grassroots to get a true grassroots candidate that could be divorced from all these special interests.
He needed that push from Elon Musk.
He needed that push from the Israel lobby.
I mean, you know, wherever it came from, Marion Adelson.
He took money from Ackerman.
He took all this other money.
They needed the money.
They needed it to fund the grassroots in Pennsylvania places like this.
And so you got to pay the piper.
And, you know, I don't like it, but that's just how it is.
So, you know, we had enough leverage to close the border.
We had enough leverage to at least start some effort at deportations, not nearly enough at this point.
But we did not have the leverage to tell all these tech pros they couldn't have their H-1B visas, which is their baby.
And, you know, they got 800,000 people in this country right now making less than half of what they would have to pay an American.
And, you know, they did not want to give that up.
They made Trump give up his historic position.
He had a position since 2016, a very principled one, a very educated one against the H-1B visas.
But he gave up that position in a phone call with a bunch of donors at Silicon Valley and also talking to Elon Musk, these other people.
He gave that up during the campaign.
He said during the campaign he was going to support H-1B visas, and he has.
He's put a little window dressing on it by now.
He's charging these guys $100,000 for new applications.
And, you know, that wasn't quite as advertised either.
But they say it is already slowing down and changing the nature of the people getting these visas.
They're going to have to be higher skilled people that get these visas in order for it to pencil out.
But it's still not what we want.
His comment on Laura Ingram was a disaster.
And it reminded me.
I don't know if you guys remember this or not, but George Bush was very good at working all these talk show hosts, including Rush Limbaugh, I have to say.
But Laura Ingram, at a certain point, when he was pushing this open immigration bill, that gang of aid or whatever, and Bush was pushing it, she rebelled.
And that was the beginning of a major rebellion on the right against Bush.
And he wasn't going to run again, but that was, I would argue, one of those seminal moments where people coalesce and realize there's other people think like they do.
And it really gave a lot of momentum to the anti-immigration movement within the GOP.
And so I couldn't help but think of that as Trump is making an idiot comment to Laura about whether there are enough Americans capable of filling these 800,000 jobs that are currently being Brown versus Board of Education.
When I was a kid, we had plenty of working class and lower middle class white kids that were very adept at STEM subjects, science, technology, engineering, mathematics.
And we could have filled every one of those.
The problem is once they integrated the schools, they reduced the quality of the curriculum, either accidentally or on purpose.
And as a result, if you're a white kid and you're not rich, you either have to be homeschooled or you have to go to the public schools.
And the ones that go to public schools don't learn anything except self-loathing.
That's the reason.
Yeah, well, I'll tell you, Keith, you know, I come from the Seattle area.
I'm very familiar with Microsoft, these companies.
There are plenty of Americans that can fill these positions.
Hold on, Russia.
That's not a problem.
That's a mic drop moment for Luke Moore, and I agree.
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Shake it up. Shake it up. Shake it up. Shake it up.
Well, Lumar and I are trying to shake it up in ways that you may not even know yet.
And Lou, I got to just say this before we go back to the topics at hand.
It was a little more than a year ago, not even a year and a half ago, that you and I first became acquainted.
And then it's become a fast friendship and a lot of projects.
Absolutely.
I think three conferences so far you've spoken at that I've had a hand in organizing, including the one earlier this year, TPC's Will to Power Conference.
And that conference, you know, brought together some people that are, you know, perhaps can do some really wonderful things.
And I just want to thank you for all of that.
James, it's been great.
I love working with you, and I love working on the things that and the objectives that we have in mind.
Well, we do, and we are, and there is still more to come on that.
But going back to Trump, I mean, there is a, I guess there's a mindset on the right, if you will, I mean, right as being left of center, that you're either all for Trump or all against Trump.
But whereas you and I and others like us try to view Trump objectively, and I think we're doing a good job of that tonight.
Bad week for Trump on H-1B.
You know, that Laura Ingram interview was not good.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
But he has been all over the board on H-1B for his entire presidential career.
Yeah, James, if I could just interject with one thing, people are confused, and our president did not help the confusion in that interview.
H-1B visas are not about these superior workers that have all this STEM capability and whatnot.
The requirement for an H-1B visa is that it's a job that requires a bachelor's degree.
That is the only requirement.
Now, we have other programs for so-called geniuses that we want to bring in the country because their IQ is 2,000 or whatever, and we don't want to lose them to some foreign power.
But that is not even what the H-1B visa is about.
And we have plenty of people in this country that could fill every one of those 850,000 slots or whatever it is that are currently being taken up by foreigners.
And this is a stone-cold fact.
It's not an opinion.
Well, let's get to it.
I mean, the majority of these people are Chinese and Indians.
And I can tell you, I've seen the rivers in India.
You're talking about entry-level and junior-level applicants here.
You're not talking about.
And the Indians are much more dangerous as an ethnic group because they, for example, there was a great article in American Freedom News, which is one of our daily reads, about what has happened to Collierville, Tennessee.
which is where a lot of people that worked at FedEx went to.
And that's right outside of Memphis.
That's one of our sites.
And what happened was this Larry Fink, who lives up to his last name at Black Rock, basically forced Fred Smith into hiring or appointing an Indian subcontinent of India president.
Fred is now dead.
Freddy's dead, as they said on that old song back in the 60s.
But anyway, I think that was a nightmare from Elm Street sequel as well.
But also, what happened is that this guy has basically outsourced everything to India and brought as many Indians as he can.
They've got cricket leagues now in Collierville and public parks, and all these white Americans that ran FedEx so well for years are now getting pink slipped.
And see, this is the type of thing that Trump needs to step in and stop.
He's got the power to do it.
And I guarantee you that 90% of the people that are losing their jobs at FedEx now are people that voted for him.
You know, get off your ass and do something, Donald.
Yep.
I mean, I'm 100% on H-1B visa issue, 100% opposed, unfortunately, to our president's position.
All right.
But that having been said, because we have to be real, we have to be objective.
We have to say this is good.
This is bad.
If not, I mean, what are we doing here?
We're always going to be honest with our audience.
And so in this case, it was not good.
But overall, the last 10 years, the trajectory where we are going, understanding, as we always knew, even in 2015, even in 2016, that whole campaign, that magical year against Hillary, where this entire thing blossomed and bloomed and exploded to the point where we are now here today.
It all happened under Trump's watch.
It would have not happened otherwise, I do not believe.
And so we can give him credit for that, whether he intended it or not.
But let's talk about Epstein.
That's another thing, Lou, very quickly.
And we only have five minutes remaining.
But Epstein, another thing, not so good this week on his handling of this thing.
And this thing is going to be by the time we get to next Saturday, it could be a whole other thing.
This thing is supposed to come up for a vote, I believe, on Tuesday.
Yep.
Yeah.
So Trump handled this terribly.
I mean, first of all, he allowed all of his surrogates, including his son, to go around the country and say, this is the most terrible thing in the world.
We need to release all these Epstein files.
Then he gets elected, and then he's saying, what files?
What Epstein?
This is a hoax.
And this is, of course, that is a magic hand there working on him.
Yeah, but, you know, the Democrats have probably altered these files.
I mean, I think that is their biggest worry, is that some of these files have been altered.
The other thing is, it's just osmosis.
I'm seeing all these news stories.
Oh, it's terrible.
Epstein said this about Trump, and Epstein's brother said this about Trump.
But then you go into the story, it's a nothing burger.
There isn't anything going on there.
But they're just referencing Trump.
It's just, you know, it just highlights the fact he was with all these elite people, most of whom were total scumbags, that he did know Epstein, that he did party with Epstein.
He partied with Bill Clinton.
I mean, he's not a part of the idea of the fact that he's not.
That's actually, you know, to your point, Lou, that's one of the things that came out.
I mean, pardon me, ladies and gentlemen.
I know there's ladies listening tonight.
One of the allegations that came out is that Donald Trump had sex with Bill Clinton.
You know, that's one of the things that's coming out right now.
That is kind of fantastic.
But I mean, so I can understand a little bit of a pushback on some of this.
Well, I think what the big pushback is that Jewish power and influence has been using Epstein as a way of extorting and blackmailing politicians, and they don't want that to come out.
And they're the ones that have called a halt to it.
And when E.F. Hutton talks, Donald Trump listens.
Yeah, well, I mean, probably a very good point, Keith.
But anyway, so Trump hasn't handled this well, and he's oscillated back and forth.
He got into this thing with MTG.
He should never have punched down on that.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Talk about that.
Talk about that real quick, Lou, because we only have a minute or minute.
Well, I mean, yeah.
I mean, you know, she has her opinions on this.
Massey has his opinions.
I'm generally with him, although, I mean, you could argue this all kinds of different ways politically.
But bottom line, Trump should not have punched down on her.
He should have just ignored her.
And then, you know, he's realizing now that he's got a problem.
So now he's ordered Bonzi to do all this investigating of Clinton and everything.
Why didn't he do it six months ago?
I mean, it's just poor.
He's been very poorly advised.
He's been poorly staffed on this.
And to what degree, you know, he's been at the rudder himself.
He's done at the teller himself.
He's done a terrible job on this issue.
But I still don't see a smoking gun.
I don't see anything that makes me say, oh, gee, he shouldn't be our president.
I see nothing like that.
All right.
So that's the final word.
We've covered it.
I think we've been fair about that.
We're not discounting it.
We're not dismissing it.
But taking it all in, and I think so often a lot of people on our side take into account what is presently in the news and give all credence to that particular story.
We're going to look at this in widescreen.
All things being considered, including the latest.
Yes, what we've just been talking about.
We are better off now as a people and as a cause and as a movement than we would have been had he lost to Hillary.
Yes or no, Lou.
Oh, absolutely.
James, they have documents now.
The Democrats were planning massive show trials, 1,500, 2,000 people.
They were trying to figure out how they could try hundreds of people at the same time.
I mean, we were just beginning to see.
Now, they talk about law affair, like in some political strategy.
We were looking at the end game here of the Fabian Socialist Project of the Marxists.
That's what we were staring in the face.
And Trump put a halt to all of that.
I mean, that alone provides a ton of value for me as far as the Jeopardy isn't passed yet.
If they get back in, Katie bar the door, we better find someone to win this next election.
No, you're totally right.
So, anyway, I just wanted to do more, but we needed him in to stop the momentum of our enemies so we have time to organize ourselves and to move to the direction we actually want to go in this country in a positive way.
But we need to get back in the Hound Catch Him cartoon.
We have faced the enemy and he is us.
It's always been that case for the Western kind for the Republican Party in particular.