Oct. 19, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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In a time of rigid faith and restless doubt, one man challenged the forces of fear and ignorance.
You are a passionate man, Senator Columbus.
Driven by a sense of destiny and ambition, he crossed the sea of darkness in search of honor, gold, and the greater glory of God.
Sigourney Weaver, Amanda Sante, Fernando Rey, and Gerard Depardieu as Columbus.
The extraordinary story of the discovery of a new world.
Well, that is the trailer for the movie 1492, Conquest of Paradise, and that was released in 1992, the 500th anniversary of the discovery of the new world.
And it is a movie.
I don't know how many years consecutively I have watched it on Columbus Day, but it is more years than I can remember.
It is a good movie.
I recommend it.
It is setting the stage for our discussion this hour about Christopher Columbus.
And we mentioned Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri earlier in the program tonight.
This is what he wrote on Columbus Day this year, sitting senator from Missouri.
And I quote, there are a few, this is again, Keith, I will tell you, just as I preface this, this is, you're going to learn something here.
This is how close it got.
The senator writes, there are a few rare moments where all of world history turns on a single heartbeat.
On October 12th, 1492 was one of them.
The setting was grim.
Morale had collapsed on Christopher Columbus's ships.
They were lost, and they knew it.
In fact, they hadn't even glimpsed land for over a month, far longer than any other European expedition that had ever ventured into the Atlantic before.
Food and water was running low.
Two days later, there had been a near mutiny.
According to one account, the crew had sworn to throw Columbus overboard if he did not agree to turn the ships around and head home in a few days.
Columbus had bought himself some time by promising the crew that they would turn back if they didn't make land within three days.
But that promise was made on October the 10th.
It had been two days.
The clock was running out.
Then, in the first hours of October 12th, around 2 a.m., we're told, a lookout aboard the Pinta began to shout, Tierra, Tierra, land, land.
It's hard to even imagine the rush of emotion that washed over the men of the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Marina in that split second.
They had done it against all odds.
There on the horizon was a new world.
They were saved.
What they didn't know at the time was that they were setting in motion a series of events that would come to define the next four centuries and eventually the whole arc of world history itself.
In his famous biography of Columbus, the historian Samuel Elliott Morrison noted that 1492 was an exceedingly gloomy year in Western history.
It was a time of stagnation, listlessness, and retreat.
Christian civilization appeared to be shrinking in area and dividing into hostile units and at its sphere contracted.
At the same time, the forces of Islam were on the march.
In the space of a few short years, everything changed.
Faith in God revives the human spirit and it is renewed, Morrison writes.
The change is complete and astounding.
A new world has begun, and men are no longer sighing after the imaginary golden age that lay in the distant past, but speculating as to the new golden age that might possibly lie in the oncoming future.
Within decades, every European power launched expeditions inspired and made possible by Columbus's voyage.
Within a century, within a century of 1492, Western ships had crossed every ocean, charted nearly every coastline, and planted their civilization's flag on every inhabited continent.
Columbus's voyage linked two previously foreign worlds, the old and the new.
In doing so, it unleashed an explosion of dynamism, exploration, and innovation that would come to define our Western civilization.
What was born in the ensuing decades was much more than just a territorial expansion.
Faith, science, philosophy, art, every plane of human achievement and creation surged into new horizons as the West found itself at the helm of world history.
The United States would not exist as a formal independent nation state for centuries, but 1492 was the beginning of everything that makes us who we are.
All that America would become came to be born on the decks of the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria.
It was a crucial moment, as crucial a moment as any other in our people's history.
America, as a pioneer nation, restless, dynamic, forged on the wild frontier, was born on those ships.
Christopher Columbus was the first expression of the American spirit, the same spirit that would go on to build a glittering civilization in the wilderness of a new world.
That is why we celebrate Columbus Day.
That came from a sitting United States congressman in the year 2025.
Keith, you would have never seen it 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago.
Well, that's what I was saying with Mark, that basically Trump is a repudiation of the liberalization of America that happened after World War II and has, you know, still lingered on in blue states and is our primary ideological enemy if you are an American traditionalist and in particular, if you're a white Gentile.
All right, so that's where we're at.
And that is, again, I mean, that is as good as I've ever seen any white nationalist give it, much less a Republican senator.
Caroline Levette, the White House press secretary on the official, her official press secretary Twitter writes, Today our nation honors the legendary Christopher Columbus, the original American hero, a giant of Western civilization, and one of the most gallant and visionary men to ever walk the face of the earth.
Do you think that Kamala Harris's press secretary would have released a statement like that?
That is a substantial and very real difference of what was won and what was lost last November.
Closest to the mic as you can.
Well, what I wish we would do is have Kamala give her version so we could compare.
She has before, and you know what it sounds like.
Well, that's what we need to point out to people.
This is what the so-called liberal left represents.
They basically repudiate their European heritage.
The European heritage is what made America great, period.
And we need to understand that, and we need to embrace it.
All right.
Well, that is it.
And so with that being said, I'll turn it over to you as closest to the mic as you can get and ask you your take on Columbus.
I mean, this is something, as you mentioned before, you've been writing about this for years.
It's something near and dear to your heart, as it is to mine, and I'm sure to all of our audience.
Last week we were apart.
I was out of town.
You joined us for an hour over the phone, and we didn't get a chance to do this.
And I wanted to do the Columbus Day tribute.
We could have done it last week.
It was a couple of days in advance of the holiday.
Here we are now, a few days beyond it, but it's still within the same week.
Your thoughts on Columbus, just you personally as Keith Alexander.
Well, what Columbus represented was the spreading of European culture and civilization to the rest of the world.
We heard Mark Weber talking about the good society that is developing in Vietnam.
Well, guess what?
The reason they're making progress, the reason that they are beginning to prosper, is because they've embraced their European part of their heritage.
This is, you know, African heritage, that's barbaric.
Quite frankly, Far Eastern heritage hadn't changed since the days of Confucius, basically.
It was not spreading all over the world.
It was not transforming the lives of people for the better.
But what Columbus brought to the new world is what has brought prosperity and civilization to all corners of the world.
So this was a very, very important thing, and it's not something to be ashamed of.
It's something to be celebrated.
And increasingly, you are seeing it in ways that only a few of us were doing it before.
You know, some years ago, certainly beyond the time when we first went on the air, even 10 or 15 years ago, only the celebration of Columbus was only really happening in pro-white circles.
Now, it's happening at the White House and everywhere.
Everything is changing.
We will be back with more tribute to Columbus.
And then a surprise guest just added to the schedule.
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Who in the world would ever know what the wives could do if Queen Isabella hadn't offered her jewels in 1492?
You know, I would have done a Columbus Day segment for no other reason than to have reason to play that song on the radio.
I love that song.
That's a good one right there.
That's an obscure.
That's one of your top 10.
Well, I don't know about top 10, but I sure do like it.
And it has a lot of curtains.
Of course, your real top 10 would be 10 songs by the four seasons.
Well, for no doubt.
I mean, you know, there's so many.
But I mean, this guy has, you know, a lot of good lyrics.
Listen to another lyric of this song.
Who would have thought?
Who would have thought?
This is how wholesome it was back then.
I mean, this is a black guy singing this.
Listen to this.
If little lil' David hadn't grabbed that stone, lying there on the ground, big gold liar might have stumped on him instead of the all the way around.
But he had it.
I'm in.
A dick-a-dick-a-dick-a-blue.
I'm in.
A pop-up, pocket-driven, pocket-time as a thing.
It's true.
You know, I have said in many speeches that nothing is going to go aloft.
Nothing will take flight until you arrive at the intersection of timing and circumstance.
And boy, wasn't that the case in 1492?
They had just taken Granada and the Spain had unshackled themselves from this Muslim occupation.
Fernand and Isabella started the so-called, what was it, the Spanish Inquisition, because they wanted Spain, their new kingdom, to be a Christian kingdom, not a Jewish kingdom and not a Muslim kingdom.
This was the marriage of Castile and Aragon and there in Spain.
I named my daughter after Queen Isabella.
I named her Isabelle because it was an amalgamation of Queen Isabella and Southern Belle.
So we named her Isabelle, I-S-A-B-E-L-L-E.
Basically, an Anglicized version of Isabella.
That's exactly right.
But she was named after Queen Isabella for this very reason and Southern Belle.
Since you have an Anglo-Heritage, that's altogether proper for you to anglicize it now.
And she did a big history project a couple of years ago for her homeschool co-op.
And they had to write about historical figure.
And of course, she wrote about Queen Isabella.
Well, I mean, you know, how can you separate Columbus?
And yeah, I mean, would there have been someone else to do it if he had not done it?
Yes, eventually there would have been.
There's no doubt about that.
But it doesn't matter.
He was the one who did it.
We were the ones who first broadcast a pro-white radio program.
I'm not going to, you know, necessarily compare this to that, but there has to be a first.
And everybody else is an imitator.
Amerigo Vespucci, hey, yes, he did find the mainland that Columbus could not find, but only because – And Lee Ferguson did it before.
See, the thing is – But the Faustian spirit of the West is what it all comes down to.
Well, Lev Harris.
That's an important thing.
Many parallels up on the lines of a Russian person or a person from Belarus or Ukraine should take as much identification as they can with Christopher Columbus because what he did was extend European civilization to the rest of the world and to the great and enormous benefit of all these other nations in the world.
They, you know, the ones that are becoming prosperous, ones where life is improving for their people, are the ones that embrace that European heritage.
And well, here's a couple of other comments on Twitter this week.
Say a prayer of thanksgiving today for the Spanish royals who not only had the vision to send an Italian explorer to the Americas, but the fortitude to expand Christendom by conquering the murderous, child-sacrificing, demon-worshiping savages.
Christopher Columbus, here's another comment, put a bunch of men on three wooden boats and ventured out into the West not knowing where they were going or what they would find.
Can you imagine that courage?
That is the Faustian spirit of the West.
They discovered a new world populated by people living 5,000 years behind Europe.
They had not developed a written language.
They raped, they pillaged, they sacrificed, they ate each other as a matter of course.
Columbus brought Christianity and Western civilization to the new world, which led to the creation of the most advanced society in world history.
The Stone Age tribesmen lost and Western civilization was born.
Happy Columbus Day.
And another, just another comment.
On this Columbus Day, we held the conquerors, the hunger for conquest that is living in the pulse of our people, the overflowing strength that drives them towards greatness.
Columbus and the men who followed, the men who followed him should not be discounted either.
He was the first and he deserves all the credit due him for being the first.
But the men who followed as well, Cortez and all of them, proud, daring, and unbending in spirit, embodied that eternal will to mastery.
Can you imagine Cortez, a few hundred men and a burned the boats resolve, conquering an empire of millions?
No going back.
That's what burning the boat.
And see, all of Europe, Russians, Finns, Swedes, Englishmen, Swiss, Greeks, everybody should realize that Columbus and his achievements were not just achievements of the Spaniards or the Italians, but all of Europe.
All of Europe basically put its imprint on the rest of the world.
And because of that, the rest of the world has been immeasurably better than it would have been had it not been for Columbus's voyage.
And from Columbus in 1492 all the way to the final conquering of the Indians in the 1800s by even the people who conquered us here in the South, the American Union cavalrymen.
Here is a Union cavalryman sitting with Sitting Bull in this recreation.
This is a motion picture recreation of a conversation with Sitting Bull by a Union cavalryman.
Custer one.
And he's not playing Custer.
This is not Custer in this film, but it could have been.
But it is not.
It is an unnamed Union cavalryman.
Speaking with Sitting Bull in the 1800s, this is.
Take this to heart, folks.
This is how it was.
Sitting Bull requested this council.
We await his words.
Take your soldiers out of here.
They scare the game away.
Very well, sir.
Tell me then, how far away should I take my men?
You must take them out of our lands.
What precisely are your lands?
These are the lands where my people lived before you whites first came.
I don't understand.
We whites were not your first enemies.
Why don't you demand back the land in Minnesota where the Chippewa and others forced you from years before?
The Black Hills are sacred land given to my people by Wachantoncha.
Very convenient to cloak your claims in spiritualism.
And what would you say to the Mormons and others who believe that their God has given to them Indian lands in the West?
I would say they should listen to Akhantanka.
No matter what your legends say, you didn't sprout from the plains like the spring grasses, and you didn't coalesce out of the ether.
You came out of the Minnesota woodlands armed to the teeth and set upon your fellow man.
You massacred the Kiowa, the Omaha, the Ponca, the Oto, and the Pawnee without mercy.
And yet you claim the Black Hills is a private preserve bequeathed to you by the Great Spirit.
And who gave us the guns and powder to kill our enemies?
And who traded weapons to the Chippewa and others who drove us from our home?
Chief Sitting Bull, the proposition that you were a peaceable people before the appearance of the white man is the most fanciful legend of all.
You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent.
You conquered those tribes, lusting for their game and their lands, just as we have now conquered you for no less noble a cause.
This is your story of my people.
This is the truth, not legend.
That is an amazing clip that should be taught and shown in every elementary school in America.
And every high school, too.
Well, if you get them in elementary school, they'll know.
But what did you think about that?
I mean, that's pretty much how it was, and that is the truth about, you know, this whole thing.
We should feel guilty for what our people did.
You know, these people were raping and genociding and massacring one another, all of these tribes.
They were not early environmentalist egalitarians.
They raped the land.
They raped the game.
They raped each other.
And our people set an order to it.
That is the fact.
Well, as I said in that article that I wrote so many years ago that we published under pseudonyms, basically, the natives that were encountered by Europeans lived in a Hobbesian state of nature in which life was nasty, brutish, and short.
Any improvement in their lives between then and now, length of, you know, their lives, prosperity, they owe to the Europeans that came into the land and transformed the society and culture.
Those people that resist it, they're the ones living on the reservations and becoming alcoholics.
The ones that embrace the white man's ways, they're the ones that have prospered.
Well, you know, there's it's an interesting culture.
I do admire it in some ways.
I think if I could go back to any point in time in history, I would go back to that moment of first contact between Cortez and Montezuma on that causeway in Tenochtitlan.
All of it's interesting.
Geronimo, you know, anybody fighting for his people has my respect.
That's why we named the Apache helicopter.
That's why we named so many cities and bridges and rivers and all of these things after them because we respected their fight.
But at the end of the day, they had to be conquered.
You could not deal with them.
They were savage.
They could not live on the reservation.
They either drank themselves to death.
They couldn't even live because it was their culture to take scalps.
If they didn't take scalps, they couldn't be a man.
This was their culture.
Gene Andrews, he was supposed to mail something to me on Monday.
He said, I went to the post office to mail you your forest home note cords, but it was closed for Indigenous Peoples Day.
I didn't want to be called an evil white racist, so I went home and put on my loincloth and scalped two of my neighbors.
That's Gene Andrews.
But I did get the cards a day late.
But we'll be back.
Stay tuned.
Christine Lynn up next.
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Well, I've got to be honest with you, ladies and gentlemen.
Earlier this week, when we, well, if you put it in the parlance of motion pictures, we storyboarded the program for tonight.
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So if we all of a sudden are not here, just call me on the cell.
But nevertheless, when we were planning out tonight's show, we had planned a full hour in tribute to Christopher Columbus tonight.
But I think that we did a pretty good treatment in 30 minutes.
At least you get the gist of it, nonetheless.
But Christine Lynn emailed me earlier this week, contacted me, and had a pretty interesting story.
And I wanted to carve out some time here at the end to let her tell it and for us to talk about it.
And this is regarding, of course, the most recent episode in the Trump Putin United States-Russia drama.
Yeah, I guess the drama would be a good word.
I was searching for a word there, Keith.
Thank you.
And with that having been said, we'll toss it over to Christine.
I was looking, Christine, I was looking here in our archives and it says that your first appearance was November of 2024 and that you've only been on with us so far five times.
Tonight we've been the sixth.
It seems like a lot more than that.
Maybe because she's always so memorable.
But we'll toss it over to you, Christine.
You're like E.F. Hutton.
When you speak, we listen.
Always a memorable experience.
James Keith, thank you for having me.
The reason I thought it was so important that we discuss this, and it is in regards to the Western media and what Trump's telephone call, recent call with President Putin of the Russian Federation.
And ever since that call and just preceding it, I've watched the American media, and I have to say that it and certainly the government is quite remiss in informing the Americans of what actually is going on.
And I think it's very important because it can also be very dangerous to American life, both here on the mainland as well as in Europe and our bases and the Europeans themselves.
But the recent phone call with Putin is being spinned in the United States as if Trump issued some type of threat in regards to the tomahawks.
And remember, Trump has been and all of his people, Hegseth and all of them around him, have been discussing and threatening Vance himself, threatening the use of tomahawks in Russia and acting like this is something that rationally that they are considering.
Then we had the telephone call.
And I'd like to bring everyone's attention to the fact that as soon as that phone call happened, very unexpected for everyone, all of the threats from Trump and Hegseth stopped.
I mean, I think it was almost maybe just one day before, you know, the Secretary of War, he was speaking in Brussels, some NATO type of meeting.
And he had said, you know, and this is a quote, if this war does not end, if there's no path to peace in the short term, then the United States, along with our allies, will take steps necessary to impose costs on Russia.
He went on to say, if we must take this step, again, emphasizing, again, what Trump was saying, threatening Russia, if Russia doesn't come to the table and solve this, then as Hegseth said, if there's no path to peace in the short term, then the United States, along with our allies, will take the steps necessary to impose the cost.
And so there was a lot of threats that were coming from the United States all through October.
Suddenly, the telephone call.
And yet it's being spinned in our press as if this is Trump the peacemaker.
And when it comes to foreign policy, he's not a peacemaker.
He's good domestically.
When it comes to foreign policy, he has spoken very recklessly in regards to Russia, as if Russia can be bullied to come to the table.
And suddenly we now have another summit that appears may take place in a couple weeks in Hungary.
Okay, all that sounds good, but it's being spinned as if Putin is being brought to the table because of Trump's threats.
However, when you take a look at it, and from my study and my analysis, I believe just the opposite is what happened in that telephone call.
And I would tell you that I studied the Duma, which is the Russian parliament.
I follow their sessions.
I also listen to much Russian media.
I read about five or six different newspapers as a minimum each week.
I listen to their radio, television, and I am talking from the very top, the highest, to all of the Russian people.
Nobody was accepting the use of Tabahawks.
And I believe it is just the opposite than what the media and what Trump is spinning it as, which the Russians don't care how Trump wants to spin it, you know, for his ego, for his image.
The main thing is to stop the escalation.
And what I believe happened here, because the Duma has already approved that if a weapon such as the Tomahawk, and the Tomahawk is unlike any of the other weapons that the United States has given them, it's going to need land launchers if it was being used in Ukraine rather than from the sea, specialty land launchers.
And that not only is the distance and the area far into Russia going to be there, but the guidance of the system, the way that it is controlled and when that explosion takes place, and the fact that we never know what that warhead has.
This type of system requires United States personnel on it.
And the Duma has voted very strongly.
In fact, the first change to the war doctrine of Russia happened at the very end of 2024.
Now, what I am saying to you is this is being discussed in the Duma now.
And we have very top people who are talking about if the tomahawks were used against Russia, we know that it's a United States direct war against Russia.
And as such, Russia would then be able, by their doctrine, they have approved strikes on the United States mainland because if a Russia mainland is attacked, they will consider it attacked directly by the United States.
They have also approved the use of intercontinental ballistic missiles, ones also like the Aristnik, with conventional warheads, not only against the United States, but also all of Western Europe, particularly, which they have been discussing, and some of those in the Duma have discussed, those nations which facilitate the transport of tomahawks into Ukraine.
Now, what we're talking about here is something the American people should realize.
Trump's reckless talk and threats and vances and hegsets and all of this is getting them nowhere.
And I believe my analysis based upon listening to the Duma and also just recently I'd have to say the deputy chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, Zuralev, he actually discussed if they use those tomahawks, there will have to be retaliatory strikes against American cities.
Now he is one of the more vocal Duma members, I'd have to say.
He's known for being very expressive.
But we also have Dmitri Medvedev and he's the Security Council deputy chairman also discussing it and saying this is going to end badly for Trump and for the United States.
And I believe that that telephone call was not Trump threatening or terrifying as some of the media seems to be presenting Putin, but on the contrary, sobering up Trump, if anything, maybe terrifying Trump that I had better shut my mouth and change my actions and meet with Putin.
But I will tell you, and for me, evidence of this is not only what is going on in Russian society, because I really followed the pulse both from the government as well as the people and quite a few of the discussion groups with the military that I enjoy just viewing, let's say, and observing.
The Russian people are not going to accept it.
And I think that Trump got that message loud and clear, despite the fact that Lavrov and Putin himself have been saying this in so many words, but vaguely.
But I think it came to the fore when they saw that what Trump was actually considering and going further.
I feel that this is very major development and that the United States, sadly, only retreats when it receives resistance, an actual warning.
It has to be spelled out for Trump of what is to come.
Sadly, I'd have to say, unlike on domestic policy, Trump is extremely misinformed and he is surrounded by the warmongers around him.
He gets his quote information from news channels and from Ukraine, which is known numerous lies, and it confuses him.
And he thinks that he can treat Russia like others.
And I thought that it's very important that Americans understand because the spin given to us is that this came about because of Trump's peacemaking and being a leader.
On the contrary, I believe this is Trump knowing that this is very serious business and we have to shift our policy and our rhetoric, which if you notice, the very next day, there's been none of it from him or his administration.
And also, Trump, again, contradicted himself sitting there with the Argentine president.
He was joking about how many tomahawks we have.
You want a thousand of them?
And then, of course, after the call, he's protecting his image, I believe, by saying, I told Putin, would you like me to give Ukraine 1,000, couple thousand tomahawks?
He just wants to put it out there as if this is equals talking or if anything, he's threatening Putin.
But on the contrary, I believe it to be just the opposite because tomahawks are not, they are already designated as something that Russia is going to respond to.
And that can be against U.S. cities or anywhere in Europe.
All right.
So she's talking about the most recent meeting between Trump and Putin and the forthcoming one in Button.
The telephone call, I believe.
Well, that's right.
Well, I mean, you know, exchange, let me put it that way.
We will continue here.
We got to take a quick break.
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So Christine is back with us tonight.
You know, interesting developments here on this front.
And we wanted to work her in here at the end of this show on short notice.
She's asked, and we thought that it was noteworthy.
I will toss it to Keith before back to you, Christine.
But first, Caroline LeVitt.
Give me your response on this, Keith, and then we'll toss it back to Keith.
So, you know, with regard to the forthcoming meeting with Putin, which will be held in Budapest, and you alluded to that earlier, Christine.
When asked by members of the establishment press why they would be meeting in Budapest, top White House aides replied, quote, your mom.
When asked who chose the location, when Press Secretary Caroline Levette was asked who chose the location, she responded, your mom did.
So that's like a 1990s thing, Keith.
Christine, if anybody doesn't know it, I grew up in the 90s.
I came of age in the 90s.
I was born in 80, came of age in the 90s.
You know, if you asked a ridiculous question, the answer was, your mom, or your mom did.
So I don't know.
I mean, I found that interesting with regard to all the seriousness of this, that his press secretary and top White House aides would respond to members of the establishment press with questions about his forthcoming meeting with Putin with a response such as that, that you can put that in your back pocket, or maybe that's not even a trivial pursuit, but to me, it was interesting.
Keith, to you, anything you heard from Christine and a question for her before we round out tonight's broadcast?
Well, Christine, my approach is this.
I don't think that what we're getting reported as being said between Putin and Trump has anything to do with the reality.
I think that Putin and Trump understand one another.
I think that Trump is somehow trying to pacify these NATO allies who seem to be much more bellicose than he does.
I think he is resolved to the reality that Russia is going to win this war unless we get involved in it.
And I think the last thing in the world he wants is to get American boots on the ground in Ukraine.
He wants to have Putin win.
I've been reading Paul Craig Roberts, who says that basically Putin has been too timid in how he's approached this.
He should have gone in there and taken care of them in about a month.
And if he had done that, he would have a much stronger position in terms of what the Europeans think.
Quite frankly, I think that Trump doesn't care two hoots in hell what his NATO allies think.
I think he gets along with Putin, and he would like for Putin to prevail in this, but he's got to put on a blustery show for the people in NATO, which I think is foolish.
And in Tel Aviv.
And Trump.
Yeah, right.
Let's go to where the real power is.
Yeah.
Well, I would say it is definitely a show.
It is all a facade.
And yes, of course, there's going to be the private communications between the two.
However, I would point out Trump has fortunately, I believe, sobered up after that telephone call, which for me tells me that he is cutting out all of this dangerous rhetoric threatening the use of tomahawks, as I was saying.
He talked about having such a huge stockpile one day.
I don't think that was really for Putin.
I don't think that was really for Putin's benefit.
I think that's for the benefit of these NATO people.
No, I don't think it has any.
I don't think it has to do.
I want to share my information in the limited time we have.
One moment, Keith.
I believe it's very good that Trump has changed this, but no, I think that Trump cares about his image.
He wants to, he promised that he was going to end the Ukraine-Russia conflict, and it wasn't, quote, as easy as he thought it would be because Russia has remained firm.
This will be settled on Russia's terms.
I think that Trump very much wants to have business.
We have Witkoff, and on the Russian side, same way.
We have Kirill Dmitriev, and they really want business deals.
And Trump has to find a way to sell it to the American people that, hey, I am the peacemaker.
I won 1-1.
I didn't lose, everybody.
It's Biden's war, although it's apparent to all of us, sadly, that he made it his war.
Because if he wanted to win the city, Putin wants to have, Putin wants some Western security guarantees that he's going to be in war.
No, we know more than that.
No, no, Western security guarantees are worthless.
Okay?
And I think that Putin is smart enough to have learned from his previous naivety and mistakes that he made with Minsk 1 and 2.
At least retrospectively, looking at it, he realizes that to trust them when they directly lie to you.
No, the security guarantee is going to be from Russia, and this is going to be on Russia's terms.
Trump simply wants to make it like he can disengage, which he can do, because this war would be over, really, truly, the instant that Trump stops supplying the weapons.
And he is giving the weapons to Ukraine.
He can go through his little charade with us that, oh, we're selling them and we're doing this to NATO.
It is a U.S. war against Russia.
I think he knows that if he sells it, if he tells the European-NATO allies that you can buy all the things that you want to provide to Ukraine, he's calling their bluff.
He knows that they don't have two nickels to rub together, and they're not about to spend a damn cent on trying to they want to use America's money to fight their war, and I think that Trump doesn't intend to do that.
Well, part of that I would agree with, except for the fact that the money that is being made and also the United States, and it goes beyond Trump, whatever Trump might want, actually, Keith, it goes far beyond him because the United States' goal is still the strategic defeat of Russia.
So they do not want to give up the Kiev regime, whether they get rid of Zelensky and put in Zelunov.
Well, yes, but it is what controls the United States.
And sadly, the CIA and the Pentagon is at work here.
They do not want to give up their puppet, even if it's a rump state, which it looks sadly for Ukraine as having its own nation, it's going to end up being unless Trump, Trump does have the power to stop this.
It's not a matter of very gingerly around Jewish power and influence.
And it was Jewish power and influence that started all the trouble with Ukraine and Russia.
Victoria Newland, Anthony Dinkin, people like this.
Well, it goes far back beyond that.
The fact is, the United States and whatever degree Trump, I will tell you this, I am very glad that he's going to be meeting Putin perhaps within the next couple weeks after Lavrov and Rubio.
And I'm glad he's meeting Trump in Hungary.
Because Victor Orban is one of the very few people that has any sense over there in Europe about this.
That is true.
Orban is going to be telling Trump the truth.
And he does respect.
Trump respects Orban.
Putin will be telling Trump the truth.
But when he's listening to the Ukrainians, when he's listening to people like his war secretary, when he's listening to people like Lindsey Graham or that fool, evil person, Kellogg, I mean, you can't get more stupid than that.
It's as if Trump does not do any independent research, listens to no one but who's around him.
Fortunately, for a few hours, he will be around Orban and Putin.
And I am saying I think they want to give him one last chance to become level-headed.
He's level-headed right now because he has shut his mouth and all of his administration in their threats against Russia.
And that isn't because he told Putin to come to the table.
It is because Putin said, we better come to the table or else.
That is my reading on what is going on here.
And it's very important that Americans know what was at risk.
The reckless talk cannot be engaged in.
And I certainly hope that the President of the United States learns from this for his foreign policy, at least when dealing with someone like Putin or dealing with China and China's Zhi, because we are coming very close and we don't need Trump's bullying as he can do against other countries to come into it with a nuclear power.
And so, again, the turnaround that we see, I'm grateful for.
But the outcome of this potential meeting, I would just tell you my opinion.
I, of course, would hope that it could actually put an end to it and meet all of Russia's terms because Russia does not have to give up anything.
They are advancing on the front line.
I follow that almost daily in every way.
They can solve this by simply coming to Odessa, splitting this country into, frankly, along the Dnieper River and leaving them the rump state to be divided, which we do have intelligence that shows, I think it was.
Well, that obviously would make sense, okay?
That's what they should have done from the very beginning.
All right.
They want to divide.
They want to divide the rump state between the European nations.
That is their plan.
But how many more European nations lies?
That's what Trump wants.
Well, if Trump doesn't want it, Keith, he can stop it right now.
You are incorrect to assume that he wants it, but hey, it's out of his hands.
It's not out of his hands.
At any moment, there would be no more missiles or drone attacks on civilian targets, which right now, I'm sad to say, and I do follow them and watch them almost every day, every night in terms of Russia and during the days at the markets.
The civilians are being targeted.
We are talking about this Madad regime, this Kiev regime, is targeting civilians.
And I think some of this information is kept from Trump.
It's as if what?
When he talks to Putin to learn what's actually going on, because this state, this, I'm talking about our nation state of the United States, is controlled by warmongers, and they are telling false information to Trump.
And Trump will only get the truth from Orban and Putin.
I'm glad for the meeting, but it didn't come from Trump threatening Putin.
On the other hand, I think that Trump sobered up when he realized what he's risking.
I don't think I ever feisty, tenacious, and passionate Christine Lynn, AmericanOrthodox Christian.com, AmericanOrthodox Christian.com.
She'll be back with us on December the 20th, our last show before Christmas, unless the Tomahawks start flying before then.
And frankly, you never know.
But we are thankful for this conversation on an important topic tonight for Mark Weber and she, Keith and I. We'll talk to you next week, everybody, on PPC's 21st anniversary.