Aug. 17, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome back.
Welcome back.
Third hour.
I want to take a moment while I'm thinking about it and while I have this presence of mind to thank you, Eric Orwell, for traveling down to Memphis today.
This has been, you know, another show that's going by really very quickly, and I've thoroughly enjoyed it.
And getting to know you a little bit better before the show, I hope it's been worth your while tonight.
Yeah, it's been a pleasure.
If Jared's still listening, my notebook is full.
I am totally studied on it.
Be relatable.
That's the thing, you know.
But no, seriously.
Well, let's talk about that, though.
I think anybody who's had the chance, as I have, the privilege, really, not the chance, but the privilege to watch you in other interviews.
I watched the entire Sky News interview.
I've watched, I've probably seen more of you in the last month than anybody else I've followed in print and on listening and other podcasts and preparing for tonight.
You're obviously well-versed in our issues.
It is not just that you had this idea to form this intentional community and other people have sort of rallied around you.
I mean, that has happened, of course, but you came into that being well-versed on our issues.
How did that, what is that origin story?
What were some of the role models and other people that were your gateways to this line of thinking?
Sure.
Yeah, I'm from a later generation of white identitarians than you, of course.
But before the alt-right, so back in 2012, I was making my own YouTube videos about philosophy and my own kind of political theory.
I was relatively libertarian-leaning, but in a kind of hard sense where I believed that the truly free society should tolerate alternative social arrangements that were more restrictive or discriminatory or, you know, even like leftists.
The true libertarian should allow like the leftist city-state to exist in its own borders.
You know what I mean?
So I just believed, even from being a teenager, in seeing the results of all of these different political theories because I'm a fallibilist when it comes to theories.
I have very strong theoretical commitments, but I like seeing the data.
So I like that about the libertarian philosophy that could allow for it.
So I was very receptive when I was on YouTube, I started getting comments from people who were already strong white identitarians.
And they said, I should focus on demographic change and it's going to alter the fabric of society.
If I cared about politics, I better look at these issues.
And at first, I sort of brushed it off.
But over time, I kept getting comments.
And all of the smartest people in my comment section were making these same issues at these same points.
So I was really red-pilled by my own comment section on YouTube.
And I started listening to people like Jared Taylor at that time.
But probably my biggest influence was actually Ryan Falk.
He was known as Fringe Elements at the time.
He had another channel later on, The Alternative Hypothesis.
And he made very technical arguments on race realism from a biological perspective, race and crime differences.
I was really just persuaded by the force of scientific evidence that there are meaningful racial distinctions.
And therefore, as a political theorist, I had to weigh that in mind.
And then from there, I just got into all the circles online and was an avid reader and listened to a lot of YouTube videos.
And now, of course, having caught fire is like a brush fire unto yourself with all the appearances you're doing.
But it just, I think it goes to show this is a teachable moment, ladies and gentlemen, that what one man can do, another can do to an extent.
I don't know how many people can do what you're doing with regards to the indigenous communities, but people can find truth and they can embrace truth when they find it.
Yeah.
And I think we can all find community too.
I mean, maybe it's not a full-time residence community like what we founded, but actually going forward, it might be just a sound, pragmatic, economic decision for people to make because we can have access to lower cost housing as we build up our own skills,
as we employ our own labor, as people can benefit tangibly from homesteading, getting away from the toxic food you find in the grocery store, becoming more self-sufficient, getting away from the toxic elements in our public education system.
If people want healthy lifestyles in an affordable way, I think these communities will become better and better options.
And as return to the land grows, we're going to make it easier and easier for people, more affordable.
We'll find financing solutions and so forth.
Well, what you've just said, Eric, brings to mind some comments I've heard in the past.
There seems to be a large movement of getting whites into the trades again, into the building trades, into blue-collar employment.
And that's good.
But I've never known anybody to get elected to Congress or to the Senate whose last job before getting in there was an electrician or a plumber.
How can we, we've got to have some white-collar people as well as blue-collar people.
How do you address that in your ideas about your identitarian communities?
In order to develop these communities, we need all of the social classes working in cooperation.
We don't need our wealthy people, our high-status, high-human capital elites hiring Mexicans building their homes.
We need to employ our own people.
And it's a small minority of white Americans who will ever be a viable candidate.
You know, I don't want to run for office myself.
I think most sane people wouldn't want to put themselves in the public spotlight like that.
I mean, I hardly want to be the president of RTTL.
So it's a small number of people who are temperamentally inclined towards that.
And the rest of us, we need to focus on building sound communities for our people.
Like the end in itself is these communities.
If you want political change for the sake of our well-being, well, that's to do what?
To build safe white communities for our children and grandchildren.
So instead of waiting for politics to change it top down and take care of your kids, the goal is these communities.
So instead of thinking economically, how am I going to benefit?
It's like, no, this is the end goal of all of our political theorizing, the white village, the white community, the white town and city ultimately.
Well, what we need to do is have a white elite that acts like an Indian elite or a black elite and you take for granted their loyalty to their group.
Unfortunately, another thing they've done to us is they've turned our elites against us and there's no price to be paid for it.
We've got to basically have an elite that will represent us in Congress, not represent everyone else.
Right.
And participation in the broader economy strengthens these class divides.
The white race is in the position that we're in because our elite turned on us really with the Industrial Revolution.
I mean, we didn't look after our own workers.
We brought in slave labor to supplant our workers.
We brought in cheap immigrant labor to save our corporations and our wealthy elite.
So intentional communities, it's the place where the social classes can all benefit each other.
So workers have gainful employment.
Students have institutions where they'll be inculcated into our wonderful Western tradition that's wholesome, that will give them access to self-improvement and also connectedness to history.
Like every phase of life, every occupation can come together and reinforce one another.
Our problem is we're isolated as individuals.
And when we are sorted and segregated, it's by class, it's by occupation, and that separates us.
Well, the other thing is that we have to have a group, a system of sticks and carrots.
For example, there's no price to be paid by a white elite who turns on white people.
Or let's say you've got a blue-collar guy that's got a business and he starts hiring Mexicans.
Okay.
There's got to be some type of public opprogram that would declare that they would pay a price in the community at large.
Now, blacks have it, Dodd Indians have it, Jews have it.
Everybody has it except for white Gentiles.
Right.
With our communities, we can make that our explicit policy that we hire our own people when possible.
In fact, that is our policy in our first community.
If you can hire community members to do your work, you're supposed to.
What else can you say?
And the other thing is, on the other hand, if you start hiring strangers, you will pay a price.
You'll be shunned.
Right.
Yeah.
And without these communities, we just don't have the leverage to enforce these moral norms because we have this big economic system that offers all sorts of advantages and pleasures and high status and everything people want when they give in to their kind of weaker instincts.
And furthermore, our system is run by Jews.
That's largely true.
Yeah.
It's not just Jews.
Not just Jews, but a lot of Jews.
But they're willing enablers.
Yes.
I mean, certainly the people who have taken the path of least resistance, let's just put it that way.
Well, I mean, you know, certainly they would have to have collaborators because, you know, 2% of the population isn't going to do it by themselves.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't fault the Jews for what they're doing from their perspective.
They're looking after the interests of their group.
I fault our elites.
Well, I have brought this up so many times, Eric, over the years.
And a very dear good friend who may be listening tonight, she always points it out to me.
You can't win a war by saying blame our people first.
There's some truth to that.
But our people have to be accountable as well.
That's another question for another day.
We'll be right back.
Stay tuned.
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Okay.
And we are back.
We've still got a couple of cards left to play tonight, and so stay tuned for that.
We are not nearly done yet, but I just want to make mention of a couple of things.
First of all, I was thoroughly embarrassed earlier tonight.
It turned out, and I didn't even know it.
How did I not know it?
That Eric and I had been in the same room before.
Before tonight, we had been in the same room, but we didn't know it.
How did that happen, Eric?
I mean, what can you say about that without revealing anything?
I mean, you know, say it in your own words.
Right.
But there was an event.
Yeah, there was an event.
And you were a speaker there, and I was very impressed by your speaking ability.
Unfortunately, I wasn't a long-time listener of the show.
I wasn't even aware of your show.
There is this kind of generational divide.
I listen to more millennials and how old are you?
I'm 35.
Okay, well, that 10 years matters.
I'm closer to the 75-year-old than the 35-year-old.
But nevertheless, but we were there.
Right.
Yeah.
I'm from YouTube, not from radio.
Well, AM Talk Radio is a different dinosaur altogether.
But nevertheless, we have been involved in this thing for a long, long time, going back to Buchanan and Ron Paul and all of these people.
But yes, we were in the same room at the same time just earlier this year, but then tonight.
So needless to say, we travel in the same circles and we share the same concerns.
Absolutely.
Yeah, and the more I get actually on the ground involved with the white identitarian community, the more impressed I am by these people.
You know, these are people who love their country.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You know, there's such a powerful stigma that even, you know, it kept me away from in real life organizing with like-minded people when I was fully on board, ideologically.
And it keeps a lot of people away.
You know, there are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who would agree with just about every speaker at Amran, and yet only a tiny fraction of them will ever want to actually go to that conference in real life out of fear.
Well, I really wish we'd have talked that night a few months ago if we'd only had the opportunity.
But you bring up something.
What is a nation?
What is a country?
You know, is there a difference between the two?
And to me, there is.
I mean, biblically speaking, a nation is a group of people.
A nation is a race.
A country can be just, you know, a geographical plot of land.
It's a government, maybe.
A nation is a people.
A nation is a blood.
And so, you know, that is important to remember.
But let's talk about this, though, very quickly, and I'll toss it back to Keith.
But this is something that has caused a lot of friction.
I mean, I don't know if a lot is the right way to phrase it, but, well, some anyway.
And that is how a white nationalist or an identitarian or whatever, however you choose to describe yourself, folks, I'm not trying to pigeonhole you, how we should view Trump.
A boon or a bane to white interests.
What is Trump, in your opinion?
I mean, I would rather have him than the alternative.
And I am very impressed with a lot of what he has accomplished.
You know, one of the main reasons, probably the main reason that I voted for him in 2016 was that he promised the border wall and he failed to deliver back then.
And I think he could have pushed harder.
He was stonewalled, but also he handled staffing his administration very, very poorly.
He surrounded himself with enemies, effectively.
And then the way that he staffed this administration, it was looking like a lot of former never Trumpers and neocons and rhinos.
And I was concerned.
And somehow I've been pleasantly surprised with his actual achievements.
Now we have $46.5 billion for a border wall.
He was only asking for $8 billion, I think, or $7 something last time.
So far exceeding my expectations, actually.
You know, I am skeptical of where his genuine allegiances lie.
I'm concerned about his family connections.
I'm concerned about the Epstein list.
I mean, there's a reason why he is hiding that information and his deflections have not done well.
Everyone sees through it and his approval rating has dropped considerably because of that.
Principally, though, I'm concerned about his commitment to Israel and I'm concerned that he will get us into a prolonged war, not this 12-day war that we had recently with Iran, into a prolonged war with a great power in the Middle East that is connected to Russia.
And I don't want to see World War III.
I don't want to see the apocalypse.
I want to build communities and do productive things.
And I think we live in an age of such unparalleled possibilities, given the technology that's available.
Like these communities wouldn't exist without social networking technology that didn't exist 20 years ago, wouldn't exist even without AI that helped us do the research that was only possible in the last three or four years.
So I want to explore those possibilities.
I don't want to be dragged into Israel's wars anymore.
And yet world jewelry and Israel is being kind of put in a position where we're their last ally.
Evangelicals in the U.S., it's this last group of people who actually support the Jewish state and what they're doing.
And they're losing evangelicals.
So, you know, why we're pushing this now, I think it is a wedge where if they, if Trump's DOJ shuts us down with return to the land, well, then that gives us ammunition to mobilize their base against them because it'll be the perfect time to say, look, they bombed Iran for Israel, but they won't even let us have a neighborhood.
And that's us white Americans who founded the country.
And I think framing it in that way, and also, you know, if they tell us, no, I'm not going to shut up.
I'm not going to go away.
You know, we're going to keep making this as loud and obnoxious an issue for the establishment as it possibly can be.
And I think the framing of it, if you just in purely rhetorical, argumentative terms, is still an easy victory for us.
So whether they approve it, whether they reject it, I think the rhetorical battle, the national conversation is going to be one that we are poised to win.
Let me give you the alternative to what you were saying, okay?
Trump is going to be here for another three and a half years, and after that, he's gone.
He's ridden into the sunset.
So we're not going to be able to change him.
Hopefully, he's got the inner resources to fight Jewish power and influence.
I think he did.
I think basically he pulled a fast one on Netanyahu by bombing the bunker.
He said, what you want is to eliminate this nuclear threat.
I've done it.
Now I'm through.
That's the best way to handle it without directly coming in and threatening Netanyahu.
And I think that the reason you saw a resurrection of Epstein is that the blackmail machine of Jewish power and influence uses Epstein.
That's the only thing I'm interested in Epstein about is how he used what he had to influence our political situation.
And if you, you know, I think they got that going again to threaten Trump about getting too independent.
Trump is like everyone else.
He'd rather live than die.
And you see what happened to the last president and the last serious presidential candidate that came out explicitly against Jewish power and influence.
They both wound up assassinated.
That's RFK and JFK.
Trump wants to live.
I can't blame him for that, okay?
But he's only going to be here for the rest of this term.
And I think we need to get as much as we can.
For example, if he runs Muslims out of America because they're a threat to Jews, I'm not going to get all upset because he's supporting the Jews.
I'm going to be supportive of him moving the Muslims out, okay?
A common enemy is a common enemy.
I get it.
Yeah, we need to get, you know, we need to use him for whatever we can and be prepared to get more power.
Because what he's proven, for example, with what he's doing in D.C. is political power is, you know, if you don't have political power, you can't do things.
If you have political power, there's no telling what you can get done.
All these people that in the past, these George W. Bushes and George H.W. Bushes and McCain's and whatnot, they would tell you you can't do anything about crime in Washington, D.C. Trump said, oh, yeah, here, I'm doing it.
I'm going to show you how to do it.
This is what we need to have.
We need to get as much as we can out of him.
He's there rather than carping at him.
But on the other hand, the thing about Epstein, he likes women, okay?
I'd rather have him than Pete Bootyman in there.
Let's not get too far off.
I mean, you know, but I see what you're saying.
Well, yeah, I mean, I think I think we should continue to apply leverage where we can.
Cheerleading for Trump, I think, is not very productive.
It's not helping us.
He doesn't really need it.
What he needs is to be forced to do things that are beneficial for us by imposing consequences if he does not do those things.
So instead of voting red no matter what, we have to select who we actually support based on whether these candidates are going to represent our interests.
We have to take hard lines and make demands.
Don't be easy.
Like anywhere in life, when you're making, you're conducting a negotiation, you have to take a hard stance and have lines that you won't cross.
And just giving in to the Republicans again and again and again as they continue to let you down, that's not going to get us what we actually need.
So I think I would rather have Trump than the alternative.
Pick the side that you can get the most out of, but you can't stop applying pressure to force what you need to actually take place.
Well, that's exactly how I've put it.
And that is you look at this transactionally and are you going to get more from this guy or that guy or that woman in two of the three races?
And the answer is yes.
I mean, unequivocal.
And we've gotten it.
I mean, we have seen it.
I mean, there have been a lot of good things that people are not really talking about that have happened since January because it is so much easier to find and identify what you are upset about.
And that is human nature, and I get it, and I understand it.
But nevertheless, I mean, I think you said it all, and that is that Trump doesn't need us to cheerlead for him, nor should we be cheerleaders.
We are in for what is best for our people.
You know, the answer to any question is, is it good for our people?
And for us, with the options available, this is what was good for our people, and we are getting more out of it.
And with regards to your efforts, I think that it is better that we have a Trump DOJ and Homeland Security and administration writ large than it would have been for the other.
We stop making demands.
Exactly.
No, and we should keep the pressure up.
We got to take a break, but we'll be back right after this.
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subscribe to the occidental quarterly edited by kevin mcdonald today at www.toqonline.com all right welcome back everybody And well, we have a surprise caller tonight.
A man who has been on my mind, in fact, as we have continued this conversation with Eric Orwald and the time is running out tonight.
30 minutes left, two and a half hours in.
But Mance Jolly himself of the Jolly Boys in South Carolina, our friends at Dixie Republic.
And this is what I think of first and foremost.
Well, at least until I became aware of Eric's endeavors, in terms of parallel communities, people who are of this in this world, but not of it, I guess you could say.
And anyway, Paul, you've been listening tonight, and how would you compare and contrast?
What would you like to say to our guest this evening in terms of how you are doing things there in South Carolina and how he's doing things in Arkansas?
Just take it away in any direction you'd like.
Eric, I really appreciate your efforts.
It's nice to talk to someone like Sol.
What we're doing here is a little different.
We're not as public, but we're still making those inroads and developments.
I'm trying to follow you very close because I am decades older, so I have some old technology.
I'm not computer savvy and all that kind of good stuff.
We've been working on this for quite a while.
We have a nice, cool group that reaches out.
We're kind of like the pub with a lot of spokes going out of it.
I'd love to invite you to October 25th.
We're having a fall for Dixie.
And you'll have a couple thousand people here that are all like-minded.
It gives the community a chance to come together and not have the worldly pressure zone.
They can be themselves.
That sounds great.
We're clearly like-minded because that date is in the middle of one of our events.
So unfortunately, I cannot be there on the 25th.
On the same exact day.
Same exact day.
Yeah, but I definitely want to make it out and meet your network.
I've learned about a few networks around the country.
You know, being public about this, a lot of people have reached out and spoken with me about similarities, and it's encouraging.
Well, I can tell you, Eric, that one of the individuals that you said is the future was at the gentleman whose property we're talking about right now.
He was there just earlier this year at an event, a conference that this radio program put on.
So what is the difference then, Paul, would you say between what Eric is doing and what you're doing in terms of getting together people who live in a community, but not a dedicated community, but in the same regional area, who help each other out in terms of any needs they may have with repairs to their home or babysitting or just whatever.
I mean, it is a parallel society, a little bit different, certainly different than what Eric is doing, but some similarities as well.
How would you compare and contrast?
Well, we are in the community.
We're embedded in the community.
Actually, I'm a very humble person, but I will mention something that we received was the Southern Citizen Award for 2025 throughout the whole state.
And it was because of our community's effort to help with the Helene release.
And that's what Confederate veterans are talking about.
Yes.
It's a very prestigious award.
I didn't even know I was on the table for it.
But it's not me.
It's a community effort that was able to do what we did.
We just do things not as public.
We slowly creep in to areas of influence.
And before you know it, communities changed our way of thinking.
And that's great.
And when there's the luxury of time and you can be more private, it's obviously safer to be private with it.
My thinking is that we have about three years where realistically we can have this national conversation and have a firm legal precedent set.
And so that's why I'm taking every media opportunity that comes my way and I'm making this a matter of national discourse.
If nothing else, it will encourage other like-minded people who aren't currently in similar networks to form those networks, whether it's with Return to the Land or not.
So, yeah, I'm all for taking it slow and steady.
If you're in an area and you have important roles in the community, don't sacrifice that by going public unnecessarily.
But at the same time, we have to kind of pursue all available strategies.
There are only so many, though, and they're really not mutually incompatible.
Like what you have going on out there, we could totally have a return to the land community in your area.
Some of your members, some members that come to the table through Return to the Land who you may not know yet, and that community then expands your local area.
So these different groups, we don't have to be in isolation.
We are one nation.
We are the white American nation.
We had our ethnogenesis here.
We belong to one stock.
We have one common destiny.
And we, especially on the explicit white identitarian side of things, have to start working together.
How about that, Paul?
I mean, could this guy sell a message or what?
I mean, Eric Orwal is a man we need.
I come in from you, Paul, on that.
Yeah, go ahead.
Eric, you say we have three years.
I'll say we have two years.
And that's why your coffers will see a significant influx within the next 18 months.
Well, we certainly hope so.
And again, when you're building these intentional communities or parallel societies, you know, again, we've been to Greenville, South Carolina for two major conferences in the last two years because of the parallel society that you, my friend, are building.
That is why we have moved our entire operation in terms of public events to your area because we have such a great network of support there.
And my goodness, I mean, what can you say about the 20th anniversary conference for TPC last year and then our Wheel to Power conference this year with a lot of, you know, current and former elected officials.
This was, I mean, things are changing.
Things are moving in our direction.
But with just a minute or two remaining, then we're going to toss it back to Keith for the final segment and we're going to wrap things up.
A final comment from you or Johnny, who I know is there tonight in this parallel society in South Carolina.
Similar but different to what Eric is doing.
But nevertheless, I think it's just great.
I was so excited when you contacted me during the program tonight and wanted to call in.
I'll turn it over to Johnny.
Let him close us out.
Hello, James.
Hey, Johnny, you're on with Eric Orwald of Return to the Land.
What do you think about his endeavors?
And what's your comment or question?
I think he's doing God's work.
And I can't wait.
This is going to spread like wildfire because times are changing.
And we need to bring small communities back and it'll grow again.
The same way we forged this thing out of a damn frontier way back yonder.
We'll do it again.
The savages will be pushed back to the shadows and we'll have homogeny, hopefully.
Well, okay, Johnny, thank you for that comment.
And thank you, Paul, and thank you all.
Well, that brings the question.
And I've said this many times.
In fact, at my most recent speech at American Renaissance, which was, I think, two years ago, Keith, is that you can have the right message.
You can have everything about what you believe in to be right.
But if time and circumstance don't intersect, it's never going to fly.
Do you believe we are reaching that intersection point?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, the whole time, things lined up in uncanny ways.
Like, I've been pushing this idea for 10 years, and I got very little traction or just a false start and disappointment, frankly.
I mean, I've tried actually moving to different places and buying land with other people, and it just, it fell flat.
This time, though, it's like Providence was with us.
And the right people with the right skills came together, the right property came on the market.
And politically speaking, the right administration is in power.
The cultural climate is right.
And of course, the big thing influencing American politics for the last 70 years against our interest, among other causes, but it's a big one, is Jewish influence.
And right now, the world Jewish community is actually in a very weak position, in a weaker position than ever before.
And the world is turning against them.
And their only ally right now is really us and white Americans who have supported them unconditionally for so long.
Now we're giving them this alternative.
Okay, we white Americans who are your last ally, will you give us the basic dignity to respect our right to self-govern and self-organize and have communities?
Or will you turn against us and be totally isolated in this world?
So it's really in there, the ball's in the airport.
All right.
Thank you, Paul.
Thank you, Johnny.
We've got to take a break.
Our last one of the night.
One segment remaining.
We're going to open it up with Keith Alexander.
And then some final parting shots from our guest, Eric Orwell.
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Thank you, Johnny.
We'll be right back.
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But Keith, I want to thank again our friends in South Carolina, DixieRepublic.com.
My God, they have been such an integral part.
We've done remote broadcasts from there.
We've had our last two major conferences from there.
All because of that parallel society they are building has been so impactful that we've basically moved on the ground operations there in terms of events, not broadcasting, but events.
We've done some remote broadcasting.
Just great things.
And it just goes to show what people with vision and the ability to carry it out can do.
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Keith, very quickly, and then we're going to wrap things up.
Okay, one of the things that we haven't mentioned when we were mentioning Trump is the total disarray of the Democrats right now.
They don't seem to be able to find any candidate that I think could draw more than 5% of the population in a presidential election, for example, which means that we've got a great opportunity, and how are we going to handle it?
What are we going to do?
Are we going to allow the neocons to take the Republican Party back over?
And if not, who would you suggest as a presidential candidate among the people that have their more or less their hat in the ring at this time?
Wow.
I mean, honestly, I don't care much for presidential politics and following Washington, D.C.
I mean, I like Thomas Massey.
He's not perfect, but if he ran, I would vote for him.
Hey, that's a good answer.
That is a good answer.
And well, you've answered the question.
Now, let's go back to something we talked about earlier, and that is that you are in no ways going to be caught unawares by anything that happens.
I want to come full circle to that because that's something that we talked about prior to the show entirely tonight, but also I think it was mentioned when Jared was on to kick the show off, is that if this thing works, it will work because an effort was made to realize the vision.
And that is the best case scenario.
If it doesn't work, you're also prepared for that eventuality.
And I think anybody could say, well, there's so many reasons why it doesn't work.
I am not opposed to those arguments.
I mean, well, listen, I mean, I've got first-hand experience.
This is a trivial thing, I think, compared to, you know, people who have gone to prison for certain things.
But when people who are regular listeners of this program will have heard this many, many times by now.
But when we interviewed Donald Trump Jr. on the show back in 2016, the media was apoplectic, and one enterprising so-called journalist in Michigan wrote that I was the leader of the Klan.
Well, the textbook definition of what constitutes libel is to allege that somebody is a member of the Klan, much less a leader of it, which is actually what they said.
I was the leader of the Klan.
That is in their statement of torts.
So, you know, we had an attorney in Michigan who filed suit against this publication.
And that is a slam-dunk black and white case.
There is just no middle ground.
And we lost.
And we lost because they said, well, you know, you don't, what does leader mean?
Leader could mean, well, they could tune in and agree with what he says.
He's a leader in that way.
Well, of course, to any sensible person, a leader means you're a member of the organization.
You're the highest ranking member of that organization.
And they also said, well, he's interviewed David Duke.
Well, David Duke was a member of the Klan before I was born, certainly well before he was the GOP nominee for governor of Louisiana and United States Senate.
And David Duke's a great friend, and I'll never back down from that.
And I love David Duke.
And my wife's wearing a David Duke shirt tonight for governor.
Anyway, the courts are criminally corrupt.
I'm sure you know that.
The courts are criminally corrupt.
And just because you're following the letter of the law doesn't necessarily mean that you will be immune to renegade judgments.
But you know that and you're prepared for that and you're prepared to see a path forward in any way.
And I think that's very important for people to know.
Sure.
Yeah.
Well, the courts are politicized, which is why I've been stressing right now we are applying leverage where I don't think they can afford to rule against us because we are the last line of a defense as white Americans for the Israeli state.
So, you know, they have to buy our compliance in some way.
Now, I'm not going to be compliant with tolerating ethnic cleansing and genocide or anything like that, but I will accept concessions where they are forced.
And so, the idea is forcing concessions where politically it's amenable.
This isn't just a matter of hoping the courts, I mean, we will impose real political consequences if things don't go our way.
And it will also radicalize people further.
Again, we have done all of our due diligence to try to do things according to the letter of the law.
I want to work with the Anglo-American establishment, the Western rules-based order.
I'm doing everything they want me to do.
And if after all of my best efforts to comply and work with them, they tell me, no, I am not allowed even to have a neighborhood, then that shuts a door that has been an escape valve for a lot of pressure.
Like, I've put hope in that path.
I've trusted in that path because I do want a strong America still to this day.
Even though it's corrupt, I trust it more than China.
You know, I don't want to turn against the establishment in the sense that it's the West.
I want the West to be strong, you know.
And if they alienate me and radicalize me against that support for the establishment, I'm not the only person they're radicalizing.
And they have lost a lot of allies.
Israel has lost a lot of allies as well.
So I think the establishment cannot afford to alienate me and the people on our side.
And then by extension, the wider identitarian movement, which is always growing.
Let me give a dose of reality to James's situation.
The reason you lost was not because of the politicizing of the process.
It's the racializing of the process.
You went up in front of a three-judge panel, including a Jew and a black.
Okay.
You've got to be very aware of that.
Jerry of his peers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eric, you've got to be aware of that.
And probably being in Arkansas is about as good a venue as you could get with the Supreme Court, as opposed to the Supreme Court of Michigan that James had to go against.
Well, again, I mean, it doesn't even matter because if you base any action or any intention on what is the worst possible outcome of this endeavor, then nobody's ever going to do anything.
And so we shouldn't even concern ourselves with that.
But that is the reality.
And the only reason I bring that up is to let the people know that you have considered that reality and you are prepared for any outcome.
And that is true leadership and that is true vision.
And you are finding a way that no matter what happens.
And we want the best to happen.
And I hope that it can happen and I hope that it will happen.
That is that these communities begin to thrive and flourish and they begin to replicate themselves nationwide.
That's what we want.
But if it doesn't happen, there's still going to be something we can take from that that is going to be a benefit to our side and you see that.
Exactly.
Yeah.
We're giving them a choice.
Either we work symbiotically with the system, we benefit it in providing a strong economic base and lifting our country up from the grassroots, or they force us to radicalize further and push things in a direction I don't think they want to see.
Well, let me just leave you this as a parting shot.
Don't fight harder, fight smarter.
And that's why picking, look, venue shopping is part of the game now.
And it's unfortunate.
It's because of all these blue states appointing people that do not think like us to the bench.
You don't want a judge that doesn't think like you on the bench.
And I think Arkansas is probably about as good a venue.
What I would like to do is get a picture of the Supreme Court and see who they are.
And then we can predict from that probably what your prospects for success are.
Well, let's just hope that it doesn't get to that.
But nevertheless, again, we can't concern ourselves with that because all you can do is your very best effort and then let whatever outcome will greet you by fate or divine providence that it will come.
And I do believe that.
And if it was our fate to be Sean Hannity, we wouldn't have accepted it.
This is the life we've chosen.
And we do this not for because it's the best thing we can do.
It's the cards we can play.
Eric has an opportunity to do things that we could have never done.
And we, you know, being here as radio hosts are doing some things that may be closed off to others.
But we all do what we can with what we've got.
And we let God sort out the outcomes.
And hopefully this will be an endeavor that is pleasing to him.
And his face will smile on you, Eric.
And I am just delighted to have had the opportunity to sit with you for three hours tonight with a minute remaining.
Let's give the people information where they can learn more about Return to the Land, contact the community, and hopefully become involved in any way that can be possible, whether it be financial, prayerfully, or even as a resident one day.
Absolutely.
There's a big online community, very active chats.
You can meet like-minded people.
We're looking to create communities all over the country and very soon.
So returntotheland.org.
You can fill out a questionnaire and then sign up for an interview.
There is a long wait list, but if you check on the chat for interviews, sometimes slots become available last minute.
So if you're urgent about it, you can maybe get in the next couple weeks.
But yeah, you can follow me on social media on X at Arvo, A-A-R-V-O-L-L underscore, or we have an RTTL official account at RTTL underscore official.
And there's pictures from the community and stuff like that.
And we want to get more active on social media, you know, covering more of the construction that's going on on site and letting people really get a feel for what's going on there because it's really been inspiring.
You know, it's been surreal from the beginning to see it all manifest.
And it's just the beginning.
So yeah, get involved.
Eric, I can tell you that I'm 45 years old.
I've been doing this my entire adult life.
I've been doing this since I was 19 years old with Pat Buchanan in late 99 and early 2000 throughout that campaign in 2000.
This is one of the most unique things I've ever seen come out of our side.
It is entirely hopeful.
I am hopeful that it will be successful.
I know all the reasons why it may not be.
I'm hopeful that it can be.
And if it can be, it will be because it has solid leadership and a solid vision and people who are doing things and going about things the right way.
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