Feb. 1, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, welcome back, everybody.
I am battling a cold tonight.
At the very least, I think the flu, the rest of my family's had.
You'll be all right, Keith.
We've got a Cordon Sanitaire.
Is there any difference?
Cordon Sanitaire here in the studio.
But Keith got a speeding, or excuse me, I keep thinking the only traffic violation you can get is a speeding ticket.
Keith actually got one for going too slow tonight.
That's a symptom of my age, James.
Well, they got you for a California roll.
That's what they said, yeah.
I'll tell you what.
You're going to represent yourself in court on this one?
Yeah, they say a man that represents himself as a fool for a client.
So what was the official charge?
I was looking outside at the parking lot, and I was like, you know, it's like 10 minutes prior to showtime.
Keith's normally here anywhere between 30 minutes and an hour prior to showtime.
I'm like, well, I need to call him.
Maybe he died, or I don't know what's going on.
You got here about 10 minutes before showtime.
And then we found out the rest of the story.
What happened?
Rolling stop, they said.
And it's the second week in a row, but I did.
Closer to the mic.
What I'm going to have to do is stop the car, get out, and walk around it, and then get back in the next time I've got it.
You got a warning for that a couple of weeks ago, and tonight they actually gave you the full ticket.
Yeah, I don't know what's going on.
So the next time you come to that red light, you got to park the car, take out the keys, walk around the car, and then come back in.
Well, I know in this particular jurisdiction, it's, well, I guess like most, it's a revenue scheme.
And so they're going to let you off big time.
But you're going to have to, you know, there's going to be a little bit of attacks, I'm afraid.
But you know that, don't you?
Well, I'm trying to find out how much it's going to.
He's looking at his ticket right here in the studio.
He's got his ticket in his hand.
It's not going to tell you on that.
You're going to have to call the court in about two weeks when they process it.
But your court date's about a month or two from now.
I get them all the time.
Don't worry about it.
Wow.
You do.
He's looking, he's really, all right.
We're going to let him study his.
This is scary.
It has no figure there.
I guess they ain't charging anything.
Well, they'll be generous.
They'll be lenient because they're just happy that you'll come in and pay it.
Court costs are cheap out here.
So anyway, that being said, Roger Devlin.
Roger Devlin, how about wrapping up a night like this?
David Zuddy, Mark Weber, Roger Devlin.
That is TPC par excellence.
That is quintessential TPC.
And he is with us tonight.
Now, we are going to be talking about his recent and very popular hooking up series.
He's our registered and premier sexologist.
Resident.
That's what I'm trying to say.
We're going to get to that.
We're going to get to that.
We're going to get to that, but not yet.
That's coming up.
We'll foreshadow.
That's the rest of the hour.
His hooking up series at Oxford at California.
They're both experts on women.
Countercurrents.
Countercurrents.com.
But before we get to that, Roger, without further bombasting and anguishing over Keith's ticket tonight, let's take it to you.
You told me during the break, and I am honored by this, by the way, that you listened to the first two hours of the show.
So you heard David, you heard Mark.
Where do you weigh in, my friend?
I have some association with both gentlemen.
I serve on the board of the Homeland Institute.
And in fact, I was just talking to David yesterday as part of a board meeting.
And I've even started doing a little writing occasionally for the Institute for Historical Review.
I got two articles up there.
If you just do a search on my name on the website, you'll see them, a couple of book reviews.
And I reviewed an IHR publication for countercurrents, too, David Hogan's The Forced War.
So, yeah, I'm a fan of David Zuddy and Mark Weber.
Well, we are fans of you.
We are fans of you.
We've got no star in the galaxy that shines brighter than Roger Devil.
He is a regular.
He is a friend.
And going back many, many, many years, his appearances are a lot of people.
You know, it's been almost two years, though, since I've, except for a very brief appearance on the 20th anniversary show, it's been almost two years since I've been on the political cesspool.
That is a miscarriage.
That is a miscarriage of broadcast time allocation because I'm looking at it.
It's funny you mentioned that because I was looking at your appearances over the years, and we've got 19 on record going back to 2009.
But of course, the archives from 2004 to 2009 have been lost to antiquity.
So I'm sure you're over 20.
But yes, I mean, it is astounding.
And certainly Roger Devlin is coming out of hibernation.
No, no, no.
It's our grievous mistake for not inviting him back.
I don't know what was going on in 2024.
I mean, we were sort of all ducking for cover, I guess, and dodging bullets like Donald Trump.
But nevertheless, nevertheless, Roger, we have seen you since then, and that is to our credit.
You were with us in the 2024 TPC 20th anniversary conference.
We saw you again later that year near Washington, D.C. at another event.
But anyway, it is great to have you back on tonight, and we will never, never, ever go another year without talking to you on the air.
But let's see.
Make sense of David and Mark's first two-hour appearances.
You said you listened, and I appreciate that.
Listen, have one event stir in your mind to hear all of that?
Yes, I mean, we want to hear you.
What is your take on the Trump administration so far?
Like the other two gentlemen, I am pleased with the beginning of Trump's administration.
It's such a new experience for people like us.
I find myself looking forward to reading the morning headlines when I turn on my computer in the morning.
That sense of dread we used to have.
Right, right.
Like, who's Trump?
It's better than The Apprentice, you know, seeing Trump fire these people, say, you're fired, you're fired to all these bureaucrats who've been getting fat, you know, at the public trough for the last who knows how many years.
It might turn Virginia back into a red state if they get all those government employees.
That's right.
That's right.
Yes.
Yes, indeed.
And eventually it's going to, you know, we're going to have to see some more permanent.
Right now, it's just a flurry of executive orders and firings.
We'll have to put things in the back.
The Lake and Riley Act, you've got the Democratic senators even getting on board because they're afraid they're going to be voted out in the midterm.
So that's key.
Yes, that's a real sea change.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
The other thing is running scared.
They're in disarray, and it's wonderful.
Did you see the ⁇ there was a funny news item today about Kamala Harris's old fundraising site.
If you go there now, you get a 404 message saying we're unburdened by what has been.
That's the way you're saying their goose's cooks.
They're not even really trying anymore.
Roger, let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this.
To put it into perspective.
Now, I think the fantasy for a lot of us, certainly yours truly, who cut his teeth with the third and final Buchanan campaign.
I mean, the Buchanan presidential runs certainly reached their high watermark in 96.
He won several states.
I mean, he should have.
That was a quixotic gesture.
I mean, in 96, they should have given it to him over the resurrected cadaver of Bob Dole.
I mean, he was the insurgent.
He was the one with the momentum.
He was the one that would have had it had they not been.
The only thing you remember about Bob Dole or Viagra commercial.
All right, but imagine a world, though, where Pat Buchanan had been elected president in 1996, and the paleoconservatives had seized control of the federal government and had begun to implement their policy prescriptions on trade, foreign policy, immigration, and other cultural war issues from back in the 1990s.
I mean, certainly you couldn't have imagined it to be any more robust than this.
And in fact, if Buchanan had somehow, some way in fantasy land been elected president in 96, in all reality, he would have had 100% of the Democrats against him and at least three-fourths of the Republicans against him at that time.
It is a totally different world now.
So this is actually, realistically, better than that.
What we're witnessing and experiencing right now is better than our best dreams in the past, Roger.
Yes, and it's probably better than it would have been if the Biden junta hadn't stolen the election in 2020.
Yes, Steve mentioned that earlier.
Right.
Yeah, Trump would be out of office.
It would be all over.
And his second term would have been maybe not much better than his first.
It's true that you could see in his first term, he was getting better as he went along.
Like his last year was his best.
But the experience of the last four years seems to have really radicalized him.
And he's behaving in the way that I dreamed he would behave in 2017.
I wanted to see a whole lot of things.
We shared his soul over the last four years.
Yes.
Everything you are saying right now is exactly how I've interpreted it.
Yes, I mean, he is behaving the way we wished he had the first time, how we had hopes.
Because the left showed just how mendacious they are.
Well, I mean, how unprincipled.
Well, we won't know for sure because we're not in his mind, and he's not going to tell us.
But the best guess is that he has been radicalized over the course of the last four years.
I understand I'm raspy now, folks.
I'm waning.
But Roger's going to carry us to the finish line.
But there is a – we were talking about this with Mark, Roger, that this has changed in the last – Yeah.
He has changed in the last four years in not an unsimilar fashion as he had changed between 2000 and 2016.
That's right.
Yes, that's correct.
So far, I find little to criticize in what he's done.
Well, he's been wavered on the H-1B thing.
But overall, I'd give him an A-minus on what he's done so far.
And I just hope it keeps on going.
It's the last time we've had anybody below the C on the conservative side of the legend for a long time.
Yeah.
Well, I would ask you this, Roger, before we transition into your series for countercurrents about mating and dating in the 21st century and how it is germane to everything we've been talking about this week, last week, two weeks ago, all this year, really for the entirety of our run here.
White birthrights, the future of Western white civilization.
But I would ask you as we concluded the.
Excuse me, folks.
I'm really starting to falter now, but how he ended the interview with Mark Weber is this a pivot point?
Has the trajectory changed?
Whereas, you know, last year, listen, I'm a southerner at heart.
I'm a southern nationalist.
I think that almost certainly the future of America will have to still involve some sort of a balkanization or separation from the blue states and from this tower of babel that we still live under, even though the last 10 days have been very, very good.
But how would you reconcile it all, Roger?
Have we reached a pivot point?
Has the strict change of abrupt adjustment in my lifetime?
I haven't seen that.
In your lifetime, develop that thought.
You know, I've seen plenty of Republicans succeed Democrats and Democrats succeed Republicans, but there's never been anything like this, a sense of a completely new beginning and somebody really going in a completely opposite direction from his predecessors.
You didn't get that with George W. or, you know, even George H.W.
Yeah, not even with Reagan.
Yeah, not with Reagan.
Yeah, listen, when we were talking with Mark Weber, basically, the liberal mystique has lost its radioactive glow now.
And it looks like people reduced itself to absurdity.
I mean, when you're dressing up men as women and trying to force people to believe it, you know, you've kind of reduced liberalism to absurdity.
Well, that was a key point, I think, Roger, when they tried to make sexual perversity a civil right and have people take it seriously.
That's when they went a bridge too far, as far as most people, not only in America, but worldwide, thought.
They said, these people are nuts.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Well, let me say this.
So I'm looking back on our calendar so far.
Now, here we are the first weekend in February, the first day, the first Saturday, the first day of February 2025.
Looking back on our calendar so far, here's our guest in order of appearance from January the 4th, which was our first show this year, through where we stand right now with Roger Devlin.
Going back to the first show, Ron Uns kicking off the year, full hour, grand fashion, Ron Uns.
Rick Tyler, Tim Murdoch.
Thank you.
Thank you, Roger.
Patrick Martin and Jason Kuna that first night.
The following week, January the 11th, Paul Fromm and Sam Dixon and David Duke.
January the 18th, Jared Taylor.
Now, this is the weekend of the inauguration.
Jared Taylor, Steve King, and Lou Moore.
And then you get into the current Trump era: Brad Griffin and Christian Sikour last week.
Tonight, David Zuddy, Mark Weber, Roger Devlin.
That is a hell of a start to the year.
Well, listen, I mean, you, you, you, you.
And Roger is in Ron Uns' stable.
I've seen a number of his articles over at the Uns Review.
But Roger Duns.
They do carry me.
Yeah.
Well, and rightly so.
I mean, Roger is everywhere.
If you Google the name Roger Devlin or his entire title, Dr. F. Roger Devlin, he is everywhere.
I mean, there is nobody worth their assault in publishing, whether it's a web zine or print, that is not carrying Roger Devlin's commentary.
Roger's in the first rank.
That's why we love him.
And that's why he's here tonight.
And that's why, I mean, we are honored to have him accept the invitation to appear.
But, I mean, we're looking at all the people, Roger, that have appeared just so far this year, and this year is still young.
And I think, I mean, to get back to the point, the point is that all of these people are giving Trump high marks.
Now, these are people who are not newbies.
These are people who are not, you know, not easily impressed.
Exactly, exactly.
You stole the words right out of my own mind.
Not easily impressed.
These are people who have been there, done that, and they're all giving him high marks.
So, again, how much of this may be a mirage?
How much of this is actually transformational change?
Your opinion?
For once, I'm feeling optimistic.
I think that a lot of things are going to get done.
People are saying like the deportations are going too slowly, but what they forget is that when Eisenhower did some deportations, there were like massive self-deportations, far greater number of self-deportations than there were actual deportations carried out by the U.S. government during Operation Wetback in the 50s.
And that's going to happen again.
The numbers, they started in the hundreds.
They say that it's going to get up to about 5,000 a day with military aircraft participating.
And that will be enough to spark, I think, massive self-deportation.
And we will really see a difference in our lives within four years by the end of this Trump term.
I think not much will be left on that score for his successor except a bit of mopping up.
I think it really can be done in four years.
So you think it's a permanent change in the American political landscape?
And before you answer that question, Roger, I would just impress upon the audience how awesome of a question that is, that two weeks, the first two weeks could even potentially be so transformational that it could undo decades, if not generations, of our lives.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, is it possible?
Yeah.
Well, it is a real seizure in American history.
That's what it looks like now at any rate.
Look at all the stuff Biden was doing up to the last minute, the criminal, criminal actions he was taking, pardoning people for things that they hadn't been accused of.
And, you know, it was just wild, just absurdity.
It's like the mafia was being flushed out of the American government.
I mean, it's just...
Yeah.
There's no apology for it that we are criminals.
Yeah.
Was what they're telling us all.
Yes, yes, exactly.
It's practically an admission.
So, yeah, it's wonderful.
People are being locked out of their offices while the DOGE goes in and looks at what the heck is on their computers.
I just love it.
I'm very happy about it.
Well, Roger, what we were saying in here, it's like James and I resort to the Bible, but, you know, in the book of Timothy, I mean, in the, what is it, Matthew?
It says, do not be deceived.
You shall know them by their fruits.
Can a good tree bring forth corrupt fruit?
Can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit?
Therefore, by your fruits you shall know them.
Well, look at things like Brown versus Board of Education.
Did racial integration of the public schools produce good fruit or bad fruit?
Right.
It's obvious.
They turned one of the best public school systems in the world into one of the worst.
But they still, you know, for example, all these politicians are always celebrating the Brown decision every May the 17th, but how many of them send their own children to the public schools of Washington, D.C. See, it's just Chelsea go to D.C. public schools.
That's what we want to know.
Yeah, right.
The science is death.
Amy Carter was the last one.
Carter was about the last non-hypocrite among them in that regard, I think.
But I mean, even he was massively wrong, like the Panama Canal.
He was wrong, but even back then, it was a world away.
I mean, the Carter administration, the 70s, we're a world away from where we are now with the public schools, as bad as they were even then.
But nevertheless, Roger, I want to transition here.
Before we do, we're going to transition into your hooking up series for Countercurrents.
We'll explain all of that in just a moment.
But before we do, is there anything else you would like to add that we have not yet gotten to about the – Any reflections on the changes?
Yeah, the first two weeks, anything you left on the table there?
No, I don't think so.
I'm just delighted with it, as I said.
All right.
Well, I mean, we continue.
Yeah, it's good to see self-confidence.
Let's face it, guys.
When people hear the name Roger Devlin, they think sex, right?
Well, anyone, like Elvis said, he's a hunk of barn in love.
Anyone who's ever met you in person would immediately think that.
Yes, I do.
But Roger Devlin, yes, I mean, if he's on, it's funny you mentioned that.
Go to thepoliticals, pool.org and go to the archive page and then do a search result for Roger Devlin.
The word sex is in every interview.
I'm afraid so.
Just about every picture of Elvis in Las Vegas next to it.
But I mean, just about, I mean, just about every interview he's done, the word sex is somewhere in there.
So there is that.
Let's face it, we're thinking about Western birth rates.
So, you know, obviously it is important.
It's not a prurient interest that leads us to talk about this.
We need to form stable families and have lots of kids.
Well, that is what we're going to get to in the last half of this interview, the last half of this hour, our final hour of the night.
But before we do that, Roger, I just want to be sure to work this in because I want to dedicate entirely the time in our last two segments to the topic that you just mentioned.
But before we do that, you have a pretty ambitious travel schedule coming up.
I don't know how much of that you want to be revealing to the audience, but if any of it can be revealed, you're going to be all over the map, really, in the coming weeks and months.
I'll remind listeners that when the last time I was on the show, almost two years ago, I was talking about a month that I spent in Europe going to three different conferences and speaking at all of them.
Now, this spring, I'm going to be at at least three, maybe four.
I'll be speaking at at least two of them.
And they're going to be all over the map in different parts of Europe.
And I hope to maybe rejoin you in June when that's all done and tell you about my adventures then.
Well, you did that last time.
You had been a part of a big European tour a couple of years ago, and you reported on that.
And we will certainly hope that you will do that again.
And actually.
Just like Debbie does Dallas, Devlin does Storytime.
Well, he will be all over the map.
And he is going to tell us about his travels and his experiences, which was a fascinating interview.
One of the most recent times we had you on.
That was back in the summer of 2023.
You've been on since then.
But 2023, you had recently completed a multination speaking tour of Europe.
You'll be back on tour.
And you're going to be hopscotching.
Where are you going to be?
Well, we'll be that way.
In some cases, I cannot tell because we are under threat from the enemy.
One that I think I am at liberty to mention is I'm going to be in HealthSinky.
I'll be speaking in HealthSinky, Finland, in late 1980s.
Finland.
He will be all over the place.
I know some of these places.
It's going to be interesting.
And Roger, we will have you back on.
In fact, Roger's working on so much.
We're going to have him back on very regularly this year, not to just talk about his travels and for the topic he's on tonight to discuss.
But you had a very interesting.
Give us just, we have seconds remaining.
The Austrian painter, you did some recent work on him.
What was that?
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Well, Mark Weber recommended a book to me by a German named Reinhardt Sittelman on Hitler's social and political or social and economic thought, rather.
This is a neglected subject area.
A lot of historians poo-poo it, poo-poo Hitler's thoughts on economics.
But he was a complete success in that regard, wasn't he?
Yes, yes.
He got Germany out of the his early successes were economic, especially.
So this is a very interesting book, and I reviewed it for IHR, and you can look it up on the IHR site under my name.
We're going to have you back on to talk about that at length.
We're going to have you back on to talk about your travels, your forthcoming, very soon-to-be forthcoming travels in Europe at length, and the experiences you've had at these distant port of calls and the reaction to your talks at these events.
But first and foremost, right now, we're going to be continuing on with the last half hour as soon as the music begins.
The last half hour of this, our final hour of the February 1st broadcast, talking with Roger about his recent, very popular hooking up series at countercurrents.org.
That's counter-currents.org.
Calling Captain Hook.
But it's hooking up, followed by not hooking up, and followed by, I think, two more installments.
Roger's going to break it all down.
Four essays.
Yeah.
Four essays.
Have we not missed the break yet, Liz?
I know it should be there.
I'm looking at the clock here.
There it is.
We'll be right back.com.
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We're back now for the final stretch with Dr. F. Roger Devlin.
He can be read at all of the popular publications and webzines throughout the Right.
But right now, we're talking about his series at counter-currents.com hooking up.
And the sequel was not hooking up.
And then two more installations followed that and all within the last month.
So how is this relevant to what we're talking about right now?
It's all about white birth rates.
I am fading, so I'm going to let you and Keith take it from here.
But Roger, set the stage for the hooking up, the original hooking up article at Countercurrents.
What was the inspiration behind that?
And what message did you hope to accomplish?
It's the inspiration behind most of my work on sex is my dissatisfaction with most writing on this topic in the right-wing press.
And well, the fault that I find in it, first of all, it's almost all written by men.
And second of all, they understand, being men, they understand male sexuality and they don't understand female.
And of course, they have a protective instinct, as all of us men do, a desire to protect women, including often protecting them from criticism.
And so there's a kind of a constraint on a lot of right-wing writing on the sexual revolution, which demands that men be blamed and that women be portrayed as passive victims.
And there are very strong biological reasons for skepticism of this view.
As I stress, women are the supply side of sex and men constitute the demand.
So women have enormously more power to decide how sex is going to be, who's going to have sex and when.
And that's why in traditional morality, women are expected to play the role of the guardians of monogamy.
And their job is supposed to be to guide young men with very strong and unfocused sexual desires into marriage and family life.
And if that stops happening and we have a sort of sexual chaos like we have today, it's just not very plausible to say that's men's fault.
It's because women have ceased to play their traditional role as the guardians of monogamy.
And what you find out...
Go ahead.
I was going to say, I think that's what your purpose was, too, in contrasting the hooking up culture of today with the monogamous love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage mores of our ancestors and how basically the hooking up culture is ironically resulting in less sex rather than more as promised by the sexual revolution.
For many men, yes.
Yeah, that's the irony.
And I, you know, I came of age in the 70s when the sexual revolution was kind of in its first flush.
And there was this general kind of storyline about it that there had been some kind of massive increase in the amount of sex available to men.
The idea was apparently that because women started sometimes having sex outside of marriage, that that was equivalent to all the women turning into nymphomaniacs or something like that.
That's the only way you would get more sex for men in general would be an increase in the number of women or a massive increase in female libido.
And there's no reason to suspect that any such thing has happened.
No, it started off that way, though, with Hugh Hefner and Playboy Magazine and the Playboy Mansion and whatnot.
That may have failed.
That was a utopia.
You can arrange something like that artificially, you know, just as it's always been possible for a man to hire a bunch of prostitutes or something and have an orgy, I suppose.
But it's not possible to reorder the whole human race in such a way to make more sex be available to men in general.
What happened to sex?
What happened, I think, was the imposition of that reality you said, where women are the gatekeepers.
And in sexual utopia and power, I believe that's the right way around that topic, is that women have the scarce commodity.
Men create zygotes, or in other words, cells that are capable of reproduction.
Gametes, gametes, that's what I mean.
Gametes, yeah.
Gametes.
Produce millions of sperm an hour and women produce 400 eggs within a lot over the course of a lifetime.
It's enormous.
Men have the scarce, they have the scarce commodities, so therefore they naturally become the arbiters of the gatekeepers of that.
They have sex and how they have sex.
That's right.
And what happens when you remove the constraints of monogamy, what you get is not an increase in the total amount of sex available to men, but a repatterning of the supply, a shift in the supply.
Women, and it is exactly what you can see among other mammals.
In a typical mammal pack, like among primates, the men struggle for dominance, the males struggle for dominance, and the females compete to mate at the top of the hierarchy with the most dominant male.
So this is what occurs among human beings when monogamy disappears.
You get women competing to mate with high-status men, and the men that are not such high-status, the sex available to them actually diminishes.
In many cases, it disappears entirely.
And this could be also observed, for example, in hunter-gatherer bands.
Primitive tribes, before monogamy has ever been instituted, an awful lot of the guys are celibate.
Necessarily, 40 or 50% are never able to father any children.
It's only the most dominant men who do.
Yeah, you pointed out that basically the monogamy is really a very democratic institution.
It's sexual egalitarianism, yes.
Yeah, there's a lid for every pot, as grandmother used to say.
Yeah, there's a lid for every pot, as grandma used to say.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a man for every woman, a woman for every man.
And that's a lot better than what happens naturally, which is more like the baboon pack, where alpha males get all the play, and the rest of it is left to eat the crumbs from the table.
So that's basically, now that all that is already in my sexual utopia and power book.
What I did in this recent series is I described, I gave my take on what happens in the college hookup scene, which so many conservatives wring their hands over.
And I even tell how, like, when I was reading Chronicles 20 years ago, I would constantly come across denunciation of male predators, as they were called, who were supposedly preying upon innocent women.
Again, assuming that men have the dominant role when actually it's nonsense.
The only real predation is good old-fashioned jumping out from behind the bushes, forcible rape.
That deserves to be called predation.
But hooking up on college campuses is something very different.
What happens is that all the women are competing for the attention of a few prominent guys, and they discover, you know, even a sort of an average girl will often discover that she can get a really attractive guy into bed.
So that's what hooking up is.
And then the girls are mystified as to why these guys don't become permanent boyfriends or husbands.
And it's not necessarily that the men are villains, but they just have options.
These guys have lots of women after them.
And so, you know, they can do a sexual favor for an ordinary girl, but it's not reasonable for the ordinary girl to expect him to marry her.
So anyway, that's my take on what's happening in the college hookup scene.
Jane Average goes and sleeps with, seduces the best-looking or the most popular guy on campus, and then is mystified to learn that she doesn't necessarily have a steady boyfriend and certainly not a husband the next morning.
All right, so are those men in charge of sexual not at all?
That's just more.
They're being chosen.
See, the woman chooses.
The men display the males.
It's like peacocks versus peehens.
The peacocks, the males display their tails.
Yeah, and ultimately the pee hand decides who gets to trot off into the woods with the money.
All right, not entirely sure, but let me ask you this.
Tell them about the 80-50 split.
I thought that was a fascinating discussion you had.
80-20.
Oh, yes.
Well, this was in my second essay, Not Hooking Up.
Recently, there was a dating site.
Now, what is it called?
OKCupid or one of those big dating sites, actually.
Hold on, hold on.
Okay.
We're going to take a quick break before we go into the second part of Roger Devlin's version of Cupid himself.
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I have taken a quick break to the in-studio nurse, and I am back, and we'll be back for the final segment with Roger Devlin and Keith Alexander hooking up.
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Rejoining this discussion late, I took a little bit of a timeout during the last break, and I'm catching up in real time here.
But always great to have Roger Devlon to talk about these issues.
All of these conversations, these articles, I should say, should be read at counter-currents.com, hooking up, not hooking up to installments following that initial two-part series.
But all of this is very important.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Typically, high-value males are the ones who pick and choose because it is not the women who necessarily go out and are the aggressors in this, or at least should not be.
And it goes back to, of course, the age-old thing that we all know, that women have a finite number of eggs, whereas we have males have an infinite number of sperm.
Where it becomes interesting in the conversation and why it's topical for this particular radio program is the birth rates.
White birth rates.
How does coupling and how does dating and how does these unions advance Western civilization or white civilization?
No euphemisms here.
How does this all play into white civilization, the advancement of it, and the birth rates?
Because as I said, as we've been talking about this year, if you do a Google search for name your white country and then population.
So Canada, total population.
United States, total population.
Estonia, total population.
Ukraine, total population.
Croatia, total population.
You name it.
It's all under 2.0, Roger.
It's all under 2.0.
So how does all of this work?
Well, let me just say this before we get to Roger on this.
It's obviously a dysfunctional system that we have now because we all have below replacement rate reproduction for whites almost worldwide.
I can't think of a particular, any white nation that has above a 2.1 reproduction.
There's not one.
You're not missing it.
There's not one.
So consequently, whatever we're doing, something's wrong with it.
And Roger has a diagnosis.
And how does all of this, what your research, your lifelong research and your lifelong claim to fame, frankly, how does it all play into this larger big picture?
Because I mean, what is happening on a local level of mating is not good for us.
No.
Our civilization is based on high investment parenting.
You know, anthropologists distinguish between mating effort and parenting effort.
And there's a trade-off.
You can't devote all your time to both.
The traditional arrangement in the West is that people settle on a spouse fairly early in life, and so their mating effort is rather low.
And that gives them a lot of time, many, many years, to devote to parenting effort, investing heavily in their offspring.
And that is more than almost anything else, the basis of our civilization.
It's like sending your children to private schools, for example, in America and whatnot.
That's why we do, as opposed to black people that put a lot more effort into mating than they do in the world.
Yes, exactly.
Black people, people in West Africa, they have a polygamous mating system.
And whites in the West, since the sexual revolution, have taken on some of these same traits.
They're wasting their time.
They're wasting their youth on fruitless endeavors like hooking up and breaking, you know, coupling with different people over their college years and then marrying and getting divorced.
And it all works against high investment parenting.
And high birth rates for whites.
And high birth rates.
That's right.
Yeah.
So we have both low birth rates and low parental investment.
It's a disastrous situation.
Well, I said in an interview that James did with me a couple of months ago that was in the Barnes Review that basically marriage is like a trap for an honest white man in America today.
And they see it that way.
Basically, if I said, and they're right, because if you're involved in a court proceeding against a feminist woman with her feminist judge before a feminist judge, you'll learn in a hurry that Mr. Lincoln didn't free all the slaves.
Yes, certainly I would object to that in terms of my own marriage.
So, I mean, reconciling girls.
We're talking about what's happening here.
We're not talking about anyone's individual marriage.
We're talking about the societal trend.
No, no, no.
And that's fair.
But I just wanted to bring up the point.
There are exceptions, but obviously, Roger, this plays into the larger trend of declining white birth rates.
And with about five minutes remaining, that's what I want to focus on.
Be sure, folks, to check out this excellent series at counter-currents.com.
Just do a search there at the site for Roger Devlin's work.
But hooking up.
Roger pulls no punches.
He absolutely has analyzed it and has some sound conclusions.
Roger is a great scholar and a friend and a credit to this program.
But let's let Roger tell us now.
What I want to ask is moving forward and taking this all under consideration, moving forward, what prescriptions would you prescribe, Roger, to correcting this and riding the course and helping us replenish ourselves, which we will have to do in order to survive?
Well, we need to eliminate no-fault divorce.
And it's important to recognize that in marriages with children, divorce is overwhelmingly the choice of the woman because of mother custody.
Mother custody is actually not the tradition within Christendom.
Until the 19th century, father custody was the norm.
So if a woman wanted to leave her husband, she could do it, but she had to leave her children behind because the children legally, the husband legally had custody of the children.
I mean, if they still did that, there would be a lot fewer women divorcing men.
They would find some way to tax.
That is for sure.
That is for sure.
Essentially, a marriage contract nowadays is a fraudulent contract, as Stephen Baskerville has put it.
That men are, you know, make this arrangement where they're promising their whole lives to the woman, and the woman can simply cancel at any time.
Usually after she's had one or two children, she'll just decide that she wants out, and she can, with the support of the state, she can still continue to extract resources from the man without being a wife to him.
And so if they behave that way, they will do so.
And then she'll move her new boyfriend into the house with their children.
Yeah.
That causes men to go around the rails.
Men oftentimes end up subsidizing their wife's new life with a lover.
And, of course, these stepfathers, you know, the richest people.
The Rio.
How often does this occur compared to the traditional norm of you marry the father of your children and you raise them until death do you part?
I'm sorry, what's the question again?
Well, the question is, how often do you have these Franken families?
Is this the rule or is it the exception?
The divorce rate used to be almost like half of marriages.
It's true that like intelligent and also more traditional and more forward-looking people have a little bit better odds of making their marriage work.
But people who are, you know, a lot of people are dependent on social institutions to provide the right incentives for them to do the right things.
And divorce just involves the most perverse incentives you can possibly imagine.
It can actually be lucrative to a woman to leave her husband.
She'll actually see her resources increase after she stops being a wife to him.
It's just insanity.
And men are not falling for it.
There really is a marriage strike.
And a lot of people are very worried about it and are trying to persuade men to go right on marrying.
But I don't think it's going to work.
Can't wait to have Roger back on to talk more about his trips to Europe and what he has seen and witnessed there and experienced.
But with time fleeting tonight.
Roger, what would be your prescription?
If you could write the new marriage code and do away with no fault divorce law, do away with no fault.
Restore presumptive father custody.
It should be a very exceptional case for a mother to be given custody in the case of divorce.
And also, another big change that we could make is getting rid of non-discrimination law in employment so that men can be hired to do male jobs and earn a family income by doing them.
That would make men more attractive to women.
They could be better supporters.
They can't be very replaceable now.
Why should any man feel that he's under an obligation to support a woman?
Women could support themselves.
Let them.
That's the way a lot of young men look at it now, and they're right.
Yeah, and the women basically hold all the cards in divorce.
If you get in a divorce and you're a man, you can lose your job.
You can lose your livelihood.
You can lose your home.
You can lose your divorce.
You can go to jail.
And you can lose your freedom, right?
You can go to jail.
And that's not what the options are for a woman.
The woman, at the worst, is going to be supported by the state, but not the man.
Roger, the music is playing.
They want to hear more from you.
They want to read more from you, and they can't wait to hear more from you, which we will do in short order on this program.
But where should they go to find out more from Roger Devlin?
Well, you can read these four articles at Countercurrents.
I still write for American Renaissance, working for a piece, right?
Working on a piece for Jared right now.
Eventually, I hope to incorporate some of these new essays in an expanded second edition of Sexual Utopia and Power.
That means you've got the home economics articles that are great, too.
I would recommend them as well.
All right, well, folks, he's everywhere.
Roger Devlin, Google him.
You'll find him.
And you'll hear from him again soon.
But we're out of time tonight for Mark Weber, David Zunny, and Roger Devlin.