Sept. 21, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, and welcome back, everybody, to the third and final hour of tonight's live broadcast.
James Edwards and Keith Alexander.
Keith, we are going to be transitioning in now to part nine of 12 of our TPC at 20 a retrospective series.
Tonight, we're going to be featuring the favorite of all the interviews we did with Pat Buchanan, and this one is just so good.
I listened to it again in preparation for tonight, so I'd know where to clip it.
And you know, it's into it.
Simon and Garfunkel sang, where are you, Joe DiMaggio?
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I'd say exactly the same thing to Pat Buchanan.
Boy, if you were ever needed, Pat, we need you now.
I mean, in many ways, he has left his mark on the GOP and is responsible for a lot of this shift.
But before we go into this clip and start talking about it, please stay tuned for this hour, folks.
You're really going to like what we play for you tonight.
But Steve Stockman and Gary Byrne, Keith, the last 30 minutes of the show.
I mean, that's among the best we've done, really, because it really tore the covers off and showed people what the inside of the FBI and Secret Service were like and are like, and why it's going wrong and why this DEI agenda and affirmative action has seriously compromised the effectiveness of these groups like FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Security,
to the point that they really can't do their job.
All right.
Revisit that at your convenience.
Let's go into this because we got a time just about right before the first break of this hour.
Going all the way back to 2011, the question was, will America survive to 2025?
And now here we are in September of 24.
That is still a question that has not been answered.
You put a point of accentuation on it now because, I mean, it really does look like he, like Buchanan was an Ostra Damas.
Here we go.
Cannon.
Pat, are you with us?
I sure am, James.
How are you?
It's great to have you back.
I'm doing very well.
Thanks for being back with me again.
I believe this is your third appearance with us.
And congratulations on the early success of your latest title.
You know, when you write a book, it's like printing money.
Everybody loves you.
No, James.
They give me an advance for the book, and then I go out and try to sell as many as I can to help the publisher get it back.
Well, I understand, but I tell you, I saw a couple of people at Target last night of all places.
You know, they only carry two books, and yours was one of them.
And somebody there was flipping through it.
You know, have you ever thought about running for president?
Been there, done that.
Don't we all remember?
Well, let's jump right into the thick of it.
Sure.
Your new book is an epic.
It's thicker than the Bible.
And like the good book, there's not a wasted word in it.
Pat, as Americans living in this day and age, do we have front row seats to the end of Western civilization and culture as we know it?
Well, I think, yes, from a variety of standpoints.
Let me mention the one chapter, the demographic winter of the West.
There's not a single Western country whose native-born population has a birth rate now that will enable it really to survive in any form we recognize toward the end of this century.
And it's my argument that when the faith, Christianity, which was the faith that created the West, when the faith dies, the culture dies, the civilization dies, and the people die.
And I think that's true down through history.
And we certainly see that in Europe, for example, which is well advanced ahead of us, where the Christianity, I think something like one in ten people go to church.
And in Great Britain, I believe more people attend Muslim mosques on holy days of the week than go to Anglican churches.
So I think the West was created by this great religion, if you will, and that created the magnificent culture of the Middle Ages, and out of which all these great countries, which really dominated the world through the 20th century, with empires basically dominating every country on earth almost except for Japan.
And now look at where they are.
And I think you see a civilization basically in retreat.
As Toynbee said, civilizations die by suicide, not by murder.
I'm glad you brought up our faith in your book.
This is a Christian program.
It is dying in America.
And, of course, that precedes the death of a nation.
In Russia, however, there seems to be somewhat of a revival of Christianity nationwide.
And of course, we've all read the reports where the Russian government encourages ethnic Russians to have large families.
What has made some of these Russians come to their senses and not us?
Well, I think the Russians went through hell for 70 years under Bolshevism.
They were a deeply religious and patriotic people.
It was Orthodox Christianity.
And when Lenin and Stalin came in, the church was literally murdered.
I was over there in 1971, I guess it was.
And we went down to this museum of atheism in Leningrad, which was a gigantic cathedral.
And they turned it into that, and everything had been emptied out.
So they went through 70 years of hell.
And it's very true when they were liberated from Bolshevism and communism.
Many have returned to the faith.
But frankly, James, if you look at the numbers there, and again, the statistics I have in my book, Suicide of a Superpower, deal also with what's happening in Russia and these other countries.
Russia has a birth rate now that will cost it some 25 million dead or Russians disappearing between now and 2050.
They've already lost 8 million in the last two decades, ever since they became free.
And the women are not having children.
And I think the death age, the median death age of Russian men is now something like 60.
It's not only to do with the lack of births, but apparently the health system is terrible.
There's alcoholism.
I think the average woman has seven abortions, I think.
I've had that in an earlier book.
And what's going to happen is that Russia, I think, is going to lose the Caucasus to the Islamic Islamists who are trying to tear it away.
And Russia is going to be a country which is virtually half Islamic by mid-century.
This demographic decline that Russia is suffering is obviously something that we have in common with them.
And there are a number of perils that come along with that.
I once said during an interview on CNN that you can't have a first world nation with a third world population.
Moving on to another aspect of your excellent new book, which I have a review copy right here on my desk here at the studio, you write that white America is an endangered species.
Pat, what's America going to look like if indeed whites do become extinct?
Well, I don't think, I mean, I don't think whites are going to become extinct, but by, I mean, certainly not in the near future.
But what is happening, as you see in California, where Americans of European descent are already a minority, and that is true in Texas.
And it is true, I believe, and there is one other, New Mexico and Hawaii.
And in this decade, I think six more states will pass the tipping point where whites become a minority.
I think the best way to understand what America will look like is to look at California today.
I think that is pretty much what America will look like.
The Hispanic population will be immense, excuse me, 135 million, according to the Census Bureau statistics.
And if you look at California, the Golden Land, which used to have a, I mean, everybody went there.
It was paradise.
The soldiers who went out to the Pacific came home, went through there, and then went out and made their homes.
And what is happening out there, James, is that, I mean, look at the bond rating is the lowest in the country.
The taxes are enormously heavy.
They're on the well-to-do and the successful.
It is what they're doing in the country now.
And these folks are leaving the state, and many of the poor illegal immigrants, one-third of them, head for California.
You've got a black-brown war of the underclass going on in Los Angeles, according to Sheriff Lee Baca, in the gangs and in the prisons.
And of course, the welfare state is bankrupting California.
And they got some of the highest taxes in the nation.
So I think this is what the country is going to look like.
And I quote the famous Harvard sociologist Robert Putnam.
He did a study of all the cities, the major cities of the United States, I think in some in the world, and he found that social capital, that disposition of people to work together and live together and associate and join for common causes and good causes and political and social causes, is at its least in the city of Los Angeles.
He said he had never seen social capital so low anywhere, that diversity brings about people really moving into their own enclaves, segregating themselves, separating themselves, and really cooperating in very little.
All right, we're going to come up for air right there.
And that was the opening exchange in this particular interview with Pat.
And there is much more to come as this hour continues.
But we'll let Keith weigh in on what he's heard so far.
When was that?
That was originally aired October 22nd, 2011.
Well, it might as well have been done yesterday because all of those issues are still plaguing us, bedeviling us, and we are closer to the precipice now than we were back in 2011.
Always the smartest guy in the room, always with the best sense of humor, always the most eloquent.
And if every so-called conservative member of the Republican House of Representatives or the Republican Senate, if they could just have his courage and his eloquency, it would be over.
Just listen to this interview.
That would be the best thing they could do.
He didn't risk any less than they have.
He put his career on the line to tell the truth as he told it for his entire life.
A true American patriot.
We'll be right back as we present to you part nine of 12 in TPC's retrospective series.
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Abby Johnson was once director of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Bryan, Texas.
After a moral crisis, she quit, and now she campaigns against what she once endorsed.
They implement abortion quotas in all of their clinics.
What do you mean, quotas?
You have to perform a certain number of abortions every month.
One of the reasons that I left.
Are they explicit about that?
Yes.
It's in your budget, right there on the line item.
One of the reasons I left Planned Parenthood was because in a budget meeting, I was told to double that abortion quota.
And for me, as someone who had spoken to the media and had said, you know, we're about reducing the number of abortions.
We're about, you know, prevention, all these other services, I was shocked.
So you actually worked at a Planned Parenthood.
Give us some sense of the relative number of abortions.
Okay.
Abortions Planned Parenthood provides over 330,000 abortions a year.
They are the largest single abortion provider in our country.
Well, welcome back, everybody.
I'm not going to repeat the history as much as I am tempted to, as much as I am tempted to tell the story that I've told probably 600 times over the last 20 years.
How it all started with Buchanan and how one thing led to the other and all of that.
You know the story.
If you don't know the story, we'll tell it another time.
But we are revisiting what I think was the best interview he ever did on this program.
They were all great, whether we were talking about immigration, and this in a way does as well.
We had him on to talk about Churchill Hitler and the Unnecessary War, which was obviously fantastic because of the just explosive content of that book.
And to have him on to talk about that every time he came on.
Every book he had is worth reading, worth reading twice.
And as my father's, God rest his soul, said, when you hit the nail on the head, you drive it straight.
And Pat could certainly hit the nail on the head.
And now even approaching, as I believe our friend, some of our friends in Central Tennessee wrote, beginning to approach the evening of his life.
But, you know, if things turn around, if and when, he'll be remembered a lot longer than most of us.
They need to have a statue and a monument for him along with Washington and Jefferson.
There's definitely a lot of open space for new monuments after the DEI contingent and the Black Lives Matter contingent.
I'll tell you what Buchanan, even though he was born in Washington, D.C., lives in Virginia and basically a Virginian.
And I don't think he would have any qualms about having a monument of himself standing next to Robert E. There's an incredible picture that was taken just a few years ago, not very long ago, of Pat sitting at his home.
He was getting profiled by some magazine.
A picture of him sitting at home with a revolver and a six-foot-tall portrait of Robert E. Lee behind him.
You've seen that picture.
It's an incredible picture.
Yeah, it's on our website, I think.
We've had it up there before, I think.
But in any event, let's get back to this interview that we are featuring tonight as we present to you installment number nine of 12.
Already in the ninth month of this year, I remember installment number one when we did it in January.
Doing it once a month, times when you're having fun.
TPC at 20, a retrospective, going back and looking at some of our most unique and memorable interviews over the last two decades.
Let's continue now with Pat Buchanan.com.
Pat, we were talking about the demographic decline of European stock around the world and here in America.
Every minority group, as you know, in this country, has numerous organizations and representatives who seek to protect and advance their unique group interests.
I found that to be quite natural and healthy.
It's not only allowed when they do it, it is encouraged and applauded.
You discussed this tribalism and suicide of a superpower, and clearly tribalism has empowered minorities in America and Europe.
What happened to the tribal instincts of European Americans?
Well, I think the frankly, it is almost impermissible for folks of European descent really to organize around their ethnicity, or not their ethnicity.
There's an Irish caucus, and I think, but in terms of race.
But you have a point, and in the book, I do talk about the Black Caucus in Congress, which organizes and operates on Capitol Hill on government property, and it does not admit white members.
And several whites who have tried to get in, Jonathan Bingham, I believe, and Pete Stark, have been denied admission because they were not African American.
And so is your congressman, if you're in Memphis, Stephen Coin.
Exactly right.
Absolutely.
They slam the door in his face.
And this is what I find somewhat, I mean, somewhat, I'm unable to understand something like this in the 21st century when anybody who wants to, even the Italian members who want to join the Irish caucus, I'm sure, are welcomed.
Yeah, you know, it's one of the greatest hypocrisies that we have to deal with in modern politics.
African Americans vote 95 plus percent for Barack Obama, and people just shrug and say, well, of course they did.
Why wouldn't they?
You have the Black Congressional Caucus, you have all of these organizations, and the NAACP, so on and so forth.
And yet, if whites even hinted to have the sort of same ethnocentric tendencies, then they get denounced with all kinds of harsh language.
You write that those who change society.
I've got some figures in the book.
That's right.
Yeah, go ahead.
The African-American community voted 95 to 4, which is 24 to 1 for Barack Obama, which is astounding.
Even prominent Republicans like take General Powell, who, I mean, Barack Obama ran denouncing the war that Powell sold to the country, and yet Powell turned against his fellow Vietnam vet to vote for Barack Obama.
And he admitted that his race had something to do with it.
But you know, 85% of white folks in Washington, D.C. or more, voted for Barack Obama, but 85% of white folks in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama voted against Barack Obama.
So I think there is a, and this Fellow wrote for the New Yorker, Saleh, I believe was his name.
He sees a new people emerging in the white community, and that people who are constantly sort of under attack and discriminated against by affirmative action, that eventually they tend to unite around what it is that is being attacked and what they have in their own identity.
And frankly, this is what somewhat concerns me to see the country.
If you have no ethno-national core in a country, such as they didn't have in Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, as soon as they lifted off that repression, those things flew apart into something like 24, 25 countries, whereas Poland stayed together and Germany reunited on ethnic grounds.
And so I fear that this power of this ethnicity and worldwide what's called ethno-nationalism, I fear that this is really the coming force in the world, that in religious fundamentalism, and you can see these tearing countries apart all over the world.
All right, let's pause right there.
This is the coming force, and if it is the coming force, we might as well either get in the game or get rolled over.
And it's going to be one of those two choices.
Well, that's what Donald Trump is.
Like it or not, he is a spokesman for the white race.
That's how he's seen by the Democrats.
That's how a lot of white Republicans see him.
And we're having the showdown.
And believe me, the left does not want to be taken off message.
They do not want to cede any power.
They don't want to basically let us get our foot in the door.
So that's what this election is all about.
If you want the dystopia that Pat Buchanan predicted in his book, in which he was talking about in that interview, to become a reality, then just sit on your hands, sit on the sidelines, find an excuse not to vote.
On the other hand, you need, we have plenty of people that think like we do, and if they all voted, it would be a colossal landslide for Trump.
We don't have to transform or convert Democrats and leftists and Marxists to our position.
We just need to get people that think like us and have the same racial instincts that we do to get out there and vote.
And if they did, we would win an unprecedented landslide.
And that's what we need to work on doing, folks.
We need to convince people that they need to vote this time.
If we ever needed you, we need you now.
I think there's a song like that, but it has that refrain.
That's what we need because this election is the most important election of since the Civil War, probably.
And we need to.
Of course, they say that every four years.
Well, they say it every four years, but this time it really is.
Because even though Trump is an imperfect vessel, as we've got, we've got stone-cold Marxists running on the other side.
And once they get in, Katie bar the door.
Well, I do believe this.
Once they get rid of him, if that is in fact what's going to happen, they're going to train their eye of Sauron squarely on the remnant.
And that's what Steve Stockman was saying in the last hour.
If they get rid of Trump, we might not ever be able to talk again to one another.
Who knows what they have in store, but it ain't going to be good.
And this whole thing where she's pretending to be some sort of Reaganite centrist, you can forget that.
She'll tell any lie to get elected.
That's what it really comes down to, folks.
Well, folks, if you're enjoying tonight's show, we've got more from this Pat Buchanan interview.
The next clip is too long to work in before we have to take our next break.
But I would use this time then rather to remind you that we have turned the corner now and only about, let's see if you're listening live tonight, what, nine days left in our third quarter fundraising drive.
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If you've shown support this quarter or this year or whenever, we thank you.
If you donated once five years ago, we thank you.
But we do need you to stand with us if you can.
And we're talking about 20 years, 20 years.
The first endorsement we ever got was about 20 years ago from Bob Whitaker.
And we reposted it to the website this week.
Bob was a great guy, pro-white to the core, former professor and Reagan administration appointee.
He's another guy who has been called home, but he's left his fingerprints all over the place.
And it was the first endorsement we ever received way back in the early part of 2005.
This is what Bob wrote.
I was one of the first guests on the political cesspool, and we ran for a highly successful program.
And he pays me some compliments and he says this about the show, which is more important, the work.
The political cesspool is one of the first major steps towards making our perfectly legitimate concerns, the ones that are presently denounced as heresy, racism, and hate, the mainstream.
And that's what the program needs help with.
And he wrote that 20 years ago, and we struck up a friendship that endured until the day he died.
And a lot has happened since then, both in this country and for all of us personally, and for the show, certainly.
Ups and downs, setbacks, and advancements.
But the one thing that has never changed is that we're still here, Keith and I, every week with these great guests.
And we're still on the air fighting, doing the work, and pushing into the mainstream.
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We'll be back with more of this Buchanan interview.
We've got to take a break.
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It has been a fun, difficult, life-changing 20 years as we continue to celebrate our 20th anniversary.
We did it in style.
We did it a mite early in May just to be sure that whatever's still coming between now and October wouldn't affect a gathering.
Because I still don't know what October is going to look like.
If we had done the 20th anniversary conference near our 20th anniversary date, which our first day on the air was October 26, 2004, if we'd have waited till October, I don't know if we'd have had it at all.
We wanted to get ahead of this thing just in case there is some sort of unrest still before the election are predicting.
And we had a great time doing that in May.
My goodness, what an event.
And looking back on this once a month, just some, just some of the great interviews over all of this time.
And you look back on the people we featured in this series so far, historical figures, elected officials, people like Pat Buchanan, Hutton Gibson, Drew Lackey.
Nobody has an inventory of like we have.
And part of it is just because we've been around so long.
But at the same time, we've done work well enough to where you could earn the trust of men like this and they wouldn't think twice, not only about coming on with you, but about defending you later, as Pat did.
But let's go back to this interview.
One of my favorites, not just that we have done with them, but that I have ever done.
You know, when you talk about the cult of diversity in the book, and this is a follow-up to the topic that we're on, it seems as though the white politicos who are explicitly involved seem to work against their own group interests rather than for them as the minorities do.
Again, this chapter that you write on the cult of diversity, I have to ask this question: why do white liberals remain entranced by diversity when the social and cultural effects of diversity are almost entirely negative for themselves and their children and grandchildren?
Well, I think there's many people, candidly, who I've been asked on radio that what is wrong if whites become a minority nationwide and we're all part of minorities.
And I say, you know, this thing, I mean, real problems are attendant to this.
But I think that there are some, if you, James, if you go with the average American, let's take the fellow that does the anti-affirmative action, the civil rights initiative things, and he conducted those which abolished affirmative action in Michigan by referendum, in California by referendum, and in Washington by referendum in three states that normally vote Democratic.
So the vast majority of the American people, and even among the young in the Ivy League, there's a feeling that racial preferences and affirmative action are simply unjust because there's a great belief among the young that everybody should have a shot at getting on the team or getting in the band or whatever, but deprived should go to those who are the best and work the hardest.
And the idea that people should be discriminated against, whether they're white, black, Asian, or whatever, because of the color of their skin or where their ancestors come from, I think they find that profoundly offensive.
And so I think the further we go down the road with this affirmative action, especially when now the women qualify for affirmative action, Hispanics do, although there was no slavery of Hispanics, and African Americans do, you've got 30% of the country white males who are really the ones who are the victims of affirmative action, not the beneficiaries, and yet they're 30% of the country, but they're 75% of the dead and wounded coming back from Afghanistan.
That's not a formula for social peace.
No, it's not.
And if these disenfranchised white males tried to gather together politically to assert their group interests, of course, they would be shouted down as bigots, racists, supremacists, so on and so forth.
Belby Steele wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal a number of years ago.
He's an African-American intellectual and scholar.
And he said this type of, if you will, racial identity politics is simply denied to whites.
I don't know that he was saying this was a good thing, but because of their history and because of the guilt and all the rest of it, and clearly, when this type of organization took place, it would be denounced.
But I remember there was not long ago, you know, I guess it was several years ago, they had a meeting over in Leesburg of the Asian American Caucus, the African American Caucus, and the Hispanic Caucus to decide how they could get more benefits out of the Congress for their own communities.
And you were saying, wait a minute, at whose expense are these going to come?
So I think that's regrettably, regrettably, because I think that's where America's headed.
Well, and let's talk about that in-game.
I know we only have about a minute and a half left.
I think you were originally scheduled to stay with us just till the half hour.
Would it be possible for you to stay just five more minutes after?
Sure, I'd be happy to do it.
Thank you so much, Pat, because I want you to mull over this question.
We'll try to get into it a little bit, and then we'll wrap it up on the flip side.
And then I know you have many more engagements this evening, but let's talk about the in-road.
Where does this end?
All the liberal, multiracial, multicultural utopia fantasies that are destroying American pride and prosperity.
You wrote in your syndicated column this week, we don't share the same heroes, faith, or even the same language anymore.
If current trends prevail, what are we going to look like in 2025?
Well, this is it.
You ask yourself, I mean, what are the basics of a nation?
It is a common language, common borders.
I think a common faith and moral consensus and moral code, certainly a common history and heroes and holidays, all those things that make up the culture, literature.
But we don't share your right.
We did share those black and white.
When I grew up in Washington, D.C., even though we were a segregated town, we shared all those things in common.
And now we have very little in common that we share.
And in addition to that, our politics and ideology are dividing us.
So if all these things go and we no longer have the Cold War to unite us where we could all stand together against Nazism or Bolshevism or something and communism, then what do we have left?
Pat, hold on right there.
Let's pause right there.
All right.
So that we're playing, obviously, from the original night's broadcast, so we're taking some breaks, and you could hear us about to take a break there, and you could hear some music and everything else as it would have been heard if you were listening live that night.
But again, this whole interview and Suicide of a Superpower, that book, to a large degree, focused as Death of the West did and as some of his other books did.
A State of Emergency, for instance, focused almost exclusively on immigration.
But you definitely got into, with Death of the West, the Suicide of a Superpower, the racial question and the question of demographics.
And you can tell, not that, I mean, of course, this is Pat Buchanan we're talking about, but he's taking all of these questions and just it was just like some of these pictures, some of these sluggers you see in baseball practice where they got the machine that's just lobbing them these pitches and he's just knocking around the park like home run derby.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, but that exchange.
Yes.
What were your takeaways from that particular exchange?
Well, the question you asked him specifically is where will we be in 2025?
Well, folks, we're right on the cusp of that now.
We've got a couple of months and it will be 2025.
And I think that he hit the nail on the head with this.
If the Democrats win this election, if Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are president and vice president, I don't think we can ever get America back.
I think that America will be changed forever.
It will be changed into a third world nation.
I don't think it's ever going back no matter who wins.
I think the future is going to have to be some sort of separation or partition or secession or balkanization.
But I see what you're saying.
Your thing is, though, it's certainly over.
I think it's over either way, but the America where you have some sort of a semblance of civility, propriety, that's gone.
And see, if that goes, I think that we can get that back if we win the election, but we cannot continue to open our borders and let the poor, the bedraggled, huddled masses of the world come in here from the third world.
Because as it shows in Springfield, Ohio, they have different customs, different folkways, different ways of doing things, a different language very often.
And because of that, we're going to become a tower of Babel.
We'll be the new Yugoslavia.
Let's just put it that way.
In Yugoslavia, at least, they were all Europeans for the most part.
We're bringing people from the four corners of the earth in here on purpose not to enrich America, but to specifically transform us from being a white Anglo-Saxon nation.
And that's likely to continue even if Trump wins.
I think, look, you could say he's just not going to do anything about it once he wins, or he's going to be outmaneuvered if he wins.
But I think you just got to look at it as practically as this.
Number one, I just cannot stand to see that shrill woman have the satisfaction of being installed like that.
Just despite Taylor Swift, I want Trump to win.
If for no other reason than that base level, just to see them unhappy, I'm going to vote for Trump.
But I think with regard to immigration, I mean, the rhetoric coming out of Trump Advance is excellent.
You know, how do you deport all of these millions of people?
And JD Vance said you start with the first million and then work from there.
All right.
You could say, well, you know, they fooled us the first time.
If there is a one, this is it, folks.
If there is a 1% chance, a 1% chance that Trump Advance would actually do anything to start deportations or re-immigration, which they are seriously saying they will, if there's even a 1% chance they actually follow through, that is better than zero.
And you've got flat zero if the other side gets in there.
So for that chance, just that chance alone, however meager it may be, you've got to vote for Trump.
I'm just, that's where I've settled on this thing with a month to go.
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I want to be sure to thank everyone who's been on the show tonight.
That includes kicking us off, Sam Bushman.
That was a great.
There's been so much happening tonight.
That was great, too, him having that mayor on of one of these towns that Trump has cited, and the media gaslighting everybody, saying how it's such a joke that all of this has been debunked.
Sam went and found the mayor of this town in Pennsylvania.
And the mayor said, yeah, this is exactly what's happening.
It's 100% true.
It's always the left that's lying to you, folks.
It's never the right, really.
You know, they treat us like we are the fountain of all lies.
Well, the father of all lies is the devil, and that's who the left embraces.
Right.
Bushman Tim Murdoch in the first hour, Congressman Stockman, and former Secret Service Agent Gary Byrne, and then now Pat Buchanan.
Obviously, Pat's not live, but I think this one show with those five guests just kind of shows you the community that TPC has built.
We've got, I don't want to say tentacles because it makes it sound monstrous, and that's something the left would like to liken us to, but we've definitely got feelers.
And well, as southerners, we've got trot lines out to these different folks, and we work well with all of them.
Yeah, we are not a small minority of people.
People that think like us are everywhere in America, and they're a large number of people, and I dare say they're probably the majority.
You just got to get over the fear of being called a racist.
You just, I mean, you got to do that and just let it be.
And whatever happens.
My idea is that the foundation of our success has to be desacramentalizing the civil rights movement.
That's what makes people fearful of being called a racist, for example.
All right.
Well, let's, before we run out of time, we've got one more clip from this interview we're revisiting with Pat Buchanan where we talk about these issues.
And boy, did we ever.
Ladies and gentlemen, Patrick J. Buchanan staying on for a couple of minutes of extended play tonight in our exclusive live interview.
Pat, before that last commercial break, you were making a point.
Americans of all races and creeds used to share common traditions.
It's not that way anymore.
I was asking you what the end game is, another 20 years of these policies.
Where are we?
Well, this is James, is what my great fear is, and what I believe is actually happening, is that the United States will be a legal and political entity in 2041 when there is no majority anymore and we're all minorities.
But I'm afraid because the things that hold us together seem to be weakening the centrifugal forces pulling us apart, as Lee Hamilton said, or strengthening.
I think we'll be a legal nation, but I don't think we'll be one nation under God, indivisible, and one people again.
I think it's going to be, we'll be a balkanized country, sort of a tower of babel.
And we'll be at war with each other over our differences in religion.
There'll be many religions here over culture, over language, over politics, over ideology.
And we see it happening now.
I mean, the atmosphere just seems, especially up here in Washington, sort of poisonous.
And I heard the term racist thrown out there.
I mean, it's a constant on cable television these days.
And I mean, everyone's people that, you know, just disagreeing with somebody and calling them a racist.
Those were horrendous terms 15 years ago when you had the civil rights struggle going on.
Yeah, listen, don't I know it?
You know, and we'll both be called racists tomorrow for just having this conversation tonight.
But, and that gets me to my final thing.
You know, and I know a lot of people listening to the show tonight feel the same way that we do.
I love God.
I love my family, Pat.
I want to see America's destiny and traditional cultural heritage reclaimed.
And not at the expense of anyone else, but for the benefit of all Americans, I don't want to be forced to trade down.
I think, James, it's, I mean, my hope is certainly we're going to be free to do that.
But what I think is going to happen is, again, the folks who believe as you do are going to basically, I think, retreat into enclaves of their own kind, sort of.
You know, all over the world, as I write in the chapter, The Triumph of Tribalism, ethno-nationalism and religious belief are driving peoples to separate from each other and to set up their own small nation state where their own religion is predominant and their own culture is predominant, and they themselves rule to the exclusion of all others.
And this, as Arthur Schlesinger and Pat Moynihan, both of whom I knew and who came to be my friends, wrote in 1990s in Isaiah Berlin as well, they said these are the forces that will shape the future.
It will not be democracy versus communism or democracy versus fascism or ideology at all, but these fundamental forces.
Well, you know, and that leads me to my last question.
You know, all that being said, we know a lot of the problems.
What can people do?
What can people who love this country do?
You know, I don't think it's ever going to be like 1950 again.
I wasn't born until 1980.
1950 looks like 1980.
I go back a long way before that.
But, you know, I've talked about the 1960, the sort of Eisenhower transition to Kennedy.
And the 1950s were really a wonderful time in America.
I thought we were one people.
We'd won the World War.
We were united.
Ike was in charge.
We were challenging the Soviet Union.
The young president was coming in.
He was going to the moon.
And, you know, I just don't know that we're ever going to be like, I mean, like, you know, not going to be identical, but I think we're going to be utterly different than that in the future.
And I saw today in a review of my book by Jack Hunter.
He said, he quoted Russell Kirk as saying, what is a conservative duty?
And Kirk had said it is to preserve a particular people in a particular place at a particular time.
And I think that's what sort of I've been trying to do with little success.
And we have to look at things realistically.
We can preserve this, but it's not going to be dominant in the country anymore as it was.
It's not going to be the view of all.
It'll be the view of some, and others will have ideas and beliefs and cultures that are in utter conflict.
And so I see, as I said, sort of the balkanization and the separation of peoples in this country over these most fundamental beliefs.
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You've been listening for the bulk of this hour to its author himself, Pat Buchanan.
And you know, Pat, if my vote could have elected the president in 2000, you'd have been in there, buddy.
The Lord must not have seemed fit for it to be that way, but I thank you for all the memories for coming on the show again tonight and for inspiring me to become active.
I was in Washington last month and had dinner with a mutual friend, Marcus Epstein, and there was one more friend that told me to tell you hello tonight.
And I don't normally do it, but I'm going to do it for Linda Mueller.
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Well, thank you very much.
Well, Linda, as you know, Marcus helped me with the research on the book.
Bright fellow and good fellow, and Linda's salt of the earth.
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Thank you very much, James.
All right.
So that was the way it sounded that night.
You know, Keith, we've done a pretty good job with this over the last 20 years, if I do say so myself.
And it continues and it has continued tonight, but it's fun to look back sometimes because if we don't do it, who will?
Nobody's going to do it for us.
Is that right?
And it's a legacy worth revisiting from time to time.
We're doing it 12 times, once per month this year.
Well, you know, one of the things he said is that there is going to be a balkanization, at least culturally, if not politically and in terms of separate governments, like a secession movement like they had during the American Civil War.
That may be the best we can hope for is that basically people will let us alone.
I told people that conservatives are not radicals.
We're like Greta Garbo.
We just want to be left alone.
And he mentioned the parallel communities.
Yeah, that's exactly.
And he said this is something that's going to happen.
People are going to be retreating into enclaves.
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