Sept. 21, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Welcome back, everybody.
This Saturday evening, September the 21st.
This is, well, we're certainly never going to forget this year, I mean, for sure.
But this is going to be an hour that I think we'll look back on as a real highlight of our broadcasting year.
Not that we should even be thinking that way with all of the terrible things that are happening and how much is at stake, but to have Congressman Steve Stockman back on with us this hour, and we're going to pair him with our friend Gary Byrne, former Secret Service agent.
He wrote a couple of books about his time there on protective detail.
And boy, I guess I said it the first hour, he's got to be popular right now with so many people reaching out to him and getting his take.
But we'll bring him on, and he will join this discussion with Congressman Steve Stockman in progress.
Congressman Stockman, always great to have you back.
What a year.
Kidding, I'll tell you.
I just tell you, anybody that gets a text message on their page notification that says shalom, don't pick it up.
Well, Mr. Stockman, as Dorothy said in The Wizard of Oz, we're not in Kansas anymore.
I don't think so.
Well, this is, yeah, this is, have we gone beyond the pale?
Have we crossed the Rubicon into a third world situation where every election is going to be a war complete with assassination attempts?
We will get to that in just a moment.
That's certainly going to be the focal point of this hour.
Every time Steve Stockman's on, though, it is a great show going back to his debut appearance.
I believe it was last year.
He was on a couple of times.
Listen to this man's background, two-term congressman from two different districts, 20 years apart.
A hero's tale having been, in my opinion, certainly in my firm opinion, unlawfully put into prison.
President Trump commuted his sentence, and now he's back.
And he's back in a big way and out there doing the Lord's work.
And what did you come back to?
Congressman, let's just start wherever you would like to start with regards to where this election stands in this current state of upheaval.
Well, I'm a little bit nervous because I'm watching the Democrats are breaking laws left and right, and at the same time they're accusing us of it.
They're taking money, which is illegal to give directly to the campaigns.
And from what I understand, they got nonprofits running these ads, soliciting funds.
So they're washing dirty money and putting it in clean money.
That's why anybody that's on Twitter that's getting ads, you'll start seeing ads from Democrats, and you're wondering why.
They broaden the scope.
They know how many votes they need.
And so they're trying to search out those Democrat votes in Republican areas.
And you can see this as Harris travels, she's trying to reach out and get Republicans, and there are Republicans falling for it.
And the rhetoric on their side, of course, is saying we're violent.
And yet the history of the Democratic Party going back to the 70s when they're blowing buildings up.
In fact, the University of Wisconsin, my brother went to school.
Well, I did too, briefly.
The physics billing had to build a new building because the left blew it up.
And then, of course, the left blew up and shot up Congress, Puerto Ricans, and the Democrats weren't a fan of that.
There was no January 6th yell, and it was real bullets.
And as you know, there wasn't a single gun in January 6th.
The only person died is learning about it.
And it's horrible just how people are getting treated in this situation.
And yet, the Democrat history is a very violent history all the way from the Civil War to now.
They're still very violent.
And they had like 200 riots.
Go ahead.
I remember when John F. Kennedy was killed, and the original initial reports were that it had to be a Klansman or someone, somebody from the right.
Okay.
It never is somebody from the right.
It's always someone from the left.
Well, this is something with regards to gaslighting.
Trump is a threat to democracy when they are the ones weaponizing the justice system, so-called justice system.
They are the ones trying to put him in prison, you know, to the extent that they could or may or may not be involved in these assassination attempts.
That could be left open to interpretation.
But it is interesting, Congressman, that I think if I'm not mistaken on these facts, and I believe I got this from our friend Sam Bushman, that there have been a little over 30 in the history of the Republic, 30 either assassinations or assassination attempts on a president or a presidential nominee.
And there have been two in the last two months.
Now, again, we're going to get to that, but you used to have some three.
There's three.
There's three, not two.
All right, what was the third one?
What did I miss?
The Pakistan guy was planning to kill Trump, and he worked for an Iranian agent.
He just got arraigned the same day as the other guy.
People don't realize that.
He was out to kill Trump.
Yeah.
He was out to kill Trump.
And they arraigned him.
They caught him because he was talking to the FBI just, and they said, oh, he was going to kill Trump and other leaders.
No, he was working for Iran.
He's a Pakistani with Iranian background.
Actually, flew from here in Houston into.
But yeah, Google it.
This is the third time.
We just happened to catch the second guy.
It's the fruit of the month club.
I mean, you have to get to the point.
I mean, Trump's stamina and wherewithal, and in fact, you know, really, it's courage.
I mean, I'd be thinking about leaving the house at this point.
He's the one that ought to be campaigning from his basement, not Joe Biden.
Well, this whole time.
The thing is, he gets madder if you say his crowd size wasn't big, but if he gets shot, he's like joking about it.
You know, it's like he's got a flip from what normal people do.
He gets mad.
No, my crowd side was great.
I have a great club.
But then, oh, yeah, they try to shoot me again.
They try to kill me.
Oh, well.
Well, look, here's what you said, my friend, back in July when we were talking.
I think after, you know, you brought something up this week when we were communicating.
And it is that the last two times you were scheduled for this program, Trump got either shot or nearly shot both times.
And so we might have to watch that.
I guess that's a coincidence, but it's certainly odd.
But you said this back in July, and you were very pressured.
I was talking with Sam Bushman about how keen you have been in some of your predictions and some of the things you're seeing and some of the things you're calling.
And you said that the Democrats are going to keep pulling.
I'm reading from the transcript now.
The Democrats are going to keep pulling out every arrow in their quiver to make sure that he doesn't win.
And she has a good chance of winning now because of how well the Democrats have planned this out.
You're going to have, and you called this at the time, some news cycle red lights to give her big boosts, such as the announcement of her VP.
This was before Tim Walz was announced, the convention in Chicago.
And don't forget, they're also going to cut rates right before the election to juice the economy, which they are doing this week.
You called that.
And you said she's going to get a bump and then another bump and then another bump and then it's going to be election time.
And then you said this.
If even after all of that, she hasn't substantially pulled ahead, you can expect another attempt on his life.
And you said, I hate to even have to say that.
And then sure enough, two of those things have happened just this week.
You called those in July.
It'll be like Anne War Shadat in Egypt.
There was a reporter, not Royal Missouri, it's a reporter out of, I just, mine went blank.
He's out of, he worked for Human Events and then he worked for down there, what is it called?
Newsmax.
And he was the White House correspondent.
His name is John Gizzy.
And I kept telling John Gizzy what's going to happen.
And he one day he says, you know, you're like Astradamas and Jesus.
I don't know how you keep predicting it, but it's not luck.
It's just you got to watch what's going and you can see.
And if you think like a Democrat, you can see what they're going to do.
And now what I'm worried about is they had this thing called AI, as you know, it's very popular.
And they went to a conference where they asked young people to go, we're trying to regulate AI.
How could AI be abusive in campaigns?
They're doing exactly what the kids came up with.
Well, you said this also, Steve.
And I'm bouncing around a little bit from the debate to the election, the assassination attempt.
We're going to focus in on that with Gary Byrne, obviously.
Zero in on the assassination attempt in the last half of this hour when he joins us.
But you said this also.
You were up at the Republican National Convention, obviously, in Milwaukee earlier this summer.
You're actually with Trump again in Nashville since then at a different event.
But you said, you said you didn't want to throw shade, but that, you know, there are some advisors around Trump that you thought could be doing a little bit better.
And that without naming any names, without betraying any confidence, obviously.
But there has been a little bit of a shake up in Trump world.
We had Lou Moore, who was chief of staff to your good friend, Jack Metcalf, for many years.
He was on the show a couple of weeks ago talking a little bit about that.
And I asked him this question I'm going to ask you.
You have run some insurgent campaigns.
When you ran, you unseated a Democrat who had been in office since basically Reconstruction.
I think he'd been in there about half as long as the Republican been around.
He was in office for one-third of the time the state of Texas was a state.
Can you imagine?
So talking about beating an entrenched incumbent as a long-shot upstart candidate as you were the first time you won Congress, you know about winning uphill battles, okay?
And so asking this question of you means more than if Keith and I were asking each other what we would do.
If Trump wants to win, which he does, and it's neck and neck in the swing states, and that's all that matters.
I don't care.
People say, well, she's got a three-point lead, a five-point lead.
I don't care about the national poll because that's skewed by places like California, New York, and places like that.
The only thing that matters is these six or seven swing states, and it's neck and neck in all of them.
You're Trump's advisor.
You've won campaigns like this.
Obviously, he knows how to win too.
But if you were one of his advisors, what would you be advising him right now?
I think they need to come up with a different way of running.
They're not, they're doing traditional.
It reminds me, Republicans always do this.
The Democrats are very good on mechanics, which is turning out the vote.
And the reason, and Republicans who use messaging, and the reason why is Republicans have a good message, so they use a lot.
Democrats have a horrible message, so they focus on mechanics.
Republicans are making a huge mistake when they take all their people and turn them into poll watchers.
In the meantime, all the Democrats are taking their people and turning out the vote.
Early voting is happening right now, and we need to take all those people and start turning our vote.
And we haven't even identified our vote yet.
Not to the degree that the Democrats have.
And I'm just concerned that we may have more people on our side, but if they turn out more people than we do, we don't win.
You know, each side could have 100, and whoever turns them out, you know, is going to be the winner.
And it's really, frankly, really dangerous for us to kind of ignore the mechanics and rely totally on messaging.
Does that make sense?
It does.
But let me say this.
Here in the South, it all began with the Voting Rights Act of 65.
And what they did was they had something called souls to the polls, where they filled school buses and brought them to the United States.
That wasn't Republicans, though.
I know it.
That's what I mean.
The Democrats have a half-party.
That's the mechanic that they're good at.
Yeah.
Right, exactly.
And I think that the secret for Trump is not to switch Democrat voters to Republican.
That's not going to work.
What they need to do is get the white working class motivated enough so that we get more people voting that are on the rolls, but they've just given up on the system.
Somehow we've got to get, if we can get our base to turn out, like you say, 100%, we'd win.
Yeah, but that means we have to get people.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but we got thousands of people volunteering to watch the polls.
I don't have a problem with that if we have extras to get out the votes.
I mean, to me, having a super stand there and watching something happen is not like the same thing as getting in the fight and turning out the vote.
That's my concern.
I don't know if, you know, but he doesn't.
Well, that's the point.
That's an excellent point.
Yeah, well, you know, having people scrutinizing, having poll watchers there.
You're definitely going to have to have that.
We know before that.
But they know when they put it through minority districts and precincts, if that's where they flow it through, what will happen is that the Republicans are scared to death of being called racist.
It's like kryptonite.
So I don't think they're going to be able to have that much effect.
I think you're right that rather than having them as poll watchers, we need to have them as voters.
It would be nice if you're not.
Yeah, but what people don't understand is that the countries of Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela are all countries which are by definition Marxist.
And the people coming from there hate communism.
And so what they did is they opened up this application, the State Department did, and everybody from those countries had to fill out an app.
So now we know all the people that are fleeing from there.
And they're emailing them saying that Donald Trump's a dictator.
And so actually they're going to be voting for a Marxist, Camilla Harris.
And they're emailing these people saying you need to vote for, even though you're here illegally, that you need to vote for Harris and that Trump is a dictator.
And so they hate dictatorships.
So they're going to vote for Harris, which is the exact opposite.
So deceptive.
It's disinformation warfare at its AI combined.
Well, can't we get that same access to the same applications and tell them that we'd be telling the truth that Kamala Harris is a Marxist?
We don't control the State Department.
It's interesting, isn't it, that what is allowed for the goose isn't allowed for the gander in terms of some of these things.
And the Democrats have no problem at all, as we said in the first hour, bending the rules, breaking the rules, just raw naked grab for power up to and including weaponizing law enforcement agencies to go after the former president and at least at the time, the frontrunner.
It is just, and the Republicans, maybe they're too good.
Maybe they're too scared.
Whatever the case, they don't play that way.
And when you don't play that way, you lose.
And we play by American rules, and they play.
They're not outside the box.
They're totally within the box if the box is Venezuela.
So anyway, there you have it.
Let me ask you this, Congressman.
You've been a part of some of these as well.
The debate.
I mean, the media, as always, with a single voice talking about how terrible Trump was, how great she was.
And we did a full three hours critiquing the debate with a lot of different folks last week.
But what was your take on that?
I mean, just in a nutshell, I didn't think he did terrible, and I thought that she might have done better than expected, but I didn't think it was the route that the media is presenting it as.
Well, I have heart surgery three times, and my heart doctor said I need to do stuff that's not stressful.
So I knew ahead of time when you had the kind of people interviewing.
By the way, that's the sorority sister to Camilla that was asking.
Lindsay, whatever her name was.
Yeah, I mean, this was such a scam.
And, you know, he really was debating three, and I figured that's the way it was going to be.
And I had to say, you know, I'm going to get so mad because I didn't realize it until I was in the hospital one time.
They had Maxine Waters on TV, and they had me hooked up to a machine, you know, and the machine's going, beep, beep.
Patty goes, change the station, change the station.
This guy is a warrior, though.
He's not kidding.
We tell a story.
He's gone on to his eternal reward now.
Sonny Landham passed away.
He was in a lot of these action movies back in the 80s.
He was a great friend of ours.
He was in Predator with the Bowie Knife on the bridge there before he fights the alien.
And he came down for our kickoff party.
He became just a great friend, this big Indian guy.
And he was actually in the hospital.
Now, we had him scheduled for an interview.
And we called him up at the interview time.
And he was in the hospital about to go to surgery.
And he answered the phone.
And I said, Sonny, what's going on?
I hear a bunch.
He's actually, I'm in the hospital.
I'm about to have surgery.
I said, well, we can, you know, we can reschedule.
He said, no, no, I told him to wait until I'm done.
He actually did.
That was real.
We kept him for an abbreviated period.
But he still made the appearance.
And you too.
You too, Steve.
When we were down with Steve King back in Orlando back in February, Steve and I were at that event, and we thought it'd be fun to put you and him back on the air together.
And y'all are old friends and had served in Congress together.
And you came on.
I texted you and you said, yeah, I can do it, but I'm having open heart surgery.
I had open heart surgery yesterday.
And you still came on and you were just like a day after surgery.
So you've got that fighting spirit too.
But to answer the question about the debate, I think it was horrendous what they did to Trump.
And they have no compunction.
They dehumanized him to where they're treating him not like a human.
And then you had the Raggedy Andall, it's our press secretary, say, you know, well, we're not saying anything inflammatory.
And then she turns around and says inflammatory stuff.
And, you know, we're in a dangerous space.
By the way, the name of that guy that's the third or second assassin.
And it's so funny how they're downplaying.
By the way, anytime they try to kill Trump, it lasts about 20 seconds.
I can tell you if they tried to kill Obama, even now, there would be running nonstop news and be news trucks in front of his ass.
It's like right-breaking Emmett Till news.
I actually, this is something you're spot on.
I went after this, this happened on Sunday, Saturday, Sunday, it was Sunday.
And I was trying to find stuff about it a couple of hours after it was reported.
And it was like 10 to 1 football news on all my feeds, on all the stories that were being reported.
10 to 1 NFL and college football news to this assassination attempt.
You're absolutely right.
It was not in the news for a week the first time around.
And this is a guy that had a direct line of sight about 100 yards away at a campaign event.
He actually hit the president with the shot.
I mean, millimeters from killing him on live television.
And that was in the news for about a week, I think, you know, in steady coverage.
And then it just started to fade out as Biden was sacked.
And then Kamala.
And if it was Obama, they'd be interviewing relatives now and everybody.
They'd interview politicians.
They would say to Republicans, are you guys going to apologize for what happened?
It's your rhetoric.
They'd be going to every Republican saying, hey, your rhetoric's real hot.
You haven't denounced it yet.
They find the Chinese or Mitt Romney and they'd admit.
Exactly right.
I mean, even this seems, you know, very much muted compared to, well, certainly compared to with if the shoe was on the other foot.
And we don't wish that, of course, but if the shoe had been on the other foot, you certainly, I think, he'd be getting a different level of coverage.
And in fact, the media is even sort of like blaming Trump in a way.
It's very long.
They go, it's his rhetoric.
In fact, Babylon B, which is, you know, satirical site, said, Trump won't die, therefore he's inciting violence.
That's almost, yeah, it's a satire.
That's the only way he would stop inciting.
Yeah.
By the way, the name.
The name of the second assassin, by the way, they'll just say they keep saying when they describe him, they said he wanted to kill U.S. politicians.
Well, somebody one time said the top of the list was Trump, but they don't ever put that in the reports, but his name is ASIF, middle name R-A-Z-A merchant.
So he somehow switched his last name because that's clearly he's a Pakistani that lived in Iran.
He's heavily tied to Iran.
Iran has made it very clear they want to kill Trump.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts.
And by the way, this is why I want to ask your next guest that's coming up here in about four minutes.
How come they didn't have dogs?
Everybody that's protecting a perimeter, you always see them with dogs.
A dog would have found that guy in two seconds.
You just walked somebody through with the dog around the perimeter.
I mean, prisoners, I was in prison.
We had more security than what Trump had.
That is just crazy.
Well, of course, the media excuses that by saying, and again, yes, when we get Gary Byrne on, we can delve into this to a greater extent.
We've been hopping around to some different threads here with you this first half hour, and it's always great.
My wife says I have sad super ADD.
No, no, no, that's us.
I wanted to cover all these different things with you and hop around a little bit before we settle on this final singular topic.
But the media is reporting that, well, since he's not the sitting president, it can't be expected, you know, because they're on a budget that they can give him that level of protection.
And Gary Byrne will tell you how lavishly funded the Secret Service is.
It'll blow you away compared to what it was when he was on protective detail during the Clinton administration.
What it's funded now, and they can't protect this guy.
And then also, well, he decided to go play golf and it wasn't on his schedule.
Well, that should actually make the attempt far less likely, you would imagine.
And even still.
Now, I guess you could say, well, they did more likely.
Yeah, but it raised a very serious question.
Somebody, either in the Secret Service or somewhere, had to tip this guy off.
You don't just casually show up there waiting and knowing that day he's playing golf.
Somebody, he found out somehow.
You know, it's amazing to me.
There's something rotten in the walls of Denmark, as Hamlet said.
How much, you know, how much investigating will there be on actually getting to the bottom of that?
He just happened to be in the right bush at the right time.
Now, they said he was laying in wait for 12 hours and all of this, you know, supposedly.
But that means he knew he was going to play golf that day.
He knew.
And it was never on any official list.
So how did he know he was going to play golf that day?
That's the main question.
By the way, I was at that place.
It is by a busy street.
But it's by no means impossible to protect.
But I guess we'll talk about that in about one minute here.
Yeah, well, as soon as Liz brings up the news break, we will get Gary Byrne on.
Let me pull up his bio.
We'll give him a proper introduction when he comes back on.
But this is a guy who spent 30 years in law enforcement on protective detail inside the Oval Office when Clinton was there, wrote a number one best-selling New York Times book about it, Crisis of Character, which documents his story.
He wrote another book, Secrets of the Secret Service, and that's the one that really people should be talking about right now.
And, of course, compelled to testify in the Monica Lewinsky stuff.
If anybody knows about protecting a president, this is the guy.
Let's see if we can get him on the horn with Congressman Stockholm.
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Folks, I've got to tell you, maybe we should have done this for the full hour.
We just had Gary Byrne and Steve Stockman and Q together and just listening to them during the break talk with one another.
You're going to be in for a treat right now.
Joining us now in progress with our conversation, as our conversation with Congressman Stockman continues, is Gary Byrne, a former agent with the Uniform Division of the Secret Service, who was posted directly outside the Oval Office when he protected President Bill Clinton and the first family in the White House.
He became the first Secret Service agent ever compelled to testify in a criminal case against a sitting U.S. president.
He later wrote a number one New York Times best-selling book, Crisis of Character, which documents this story.
He's also written a more recent book, Secrets of the Secret Service.
Gary was on protective detail during one of the times Steve was in Congress, and they really hit it off in the break.
Actually, we're going to get out of y'all's way here for a second.
Congressman Stockman, first of all, Gary, I'll welcome you back and let you say hello.
Welcome back, Gary Byrne.
Wish it was always under better circumstances.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, so do I.
But the second appearance you've made this summer and early fall and the second assassination attempt in just as much time.
Congressman Stockman, I know you had some questions for Gary.
We'll let you take it away.
Well, I was mentioning during the break, the Hillary had 900 files, and one of the files was mine.
Ironically, to this day, the FBI, even as a sitting congressman, refuses to give me the file, but they shared it with Hillary.
And Gary, I was asking Gary, and I'll ask it on air, when did the FBI, you think, went south and then start getting corrupt the way it is today?
For me, it was during the Clinton administration.
They were very good at corrupting many parts of the government, the FBI, the Secret Service.
The first thing they did when they got in there was breaking down the Secret Service's security protocols for clearing employees.
I mean, they had employees that were business partners with convicted cocaine dealers and traffickers.
But the FBI files were, you know, we all knew it was happening.
You know, Hillary Clinton asked for the files.
She asked for them for a guy named Craig Livingston, who was a staff member, and he was a liaison with the FBI.
And he asked the FBI agent assigned to the White House, and the guy refused and told Livingston never to ask for something like that again, that it was criminal.
But Livingston just kept calling FBI headquarters until he got some deputy director who was sympathetic.
And, you know, everybody denied that it happened and it wasn't true.
And then three years later, the White House staff reported that they found the files in her room.
In her bedroom, right?
Yeah, it was right next to Chelsea's room.
It was a little bit of a hard time.
How could you miss that?
900 files.
Oh, wait, that doesn't matter.
Congressman, you couldn't.
You know, there were, you know, 900 files that have to be seven to 12 boxes, you know, legal boxes.
And there, and this is the FBI files of raw data files.
You know, nobody gets to see those, but they were in the White House during the Clinton administration.
So that to me is the signal of the corruption.
You know, I don't know who the FBI agent was that had them delivered, but they did because that's where they ended up.
All right.
Now, listen, we got to get you guys on the phone after the show.
I bet y'all could share stories with regards to the Clintons, who are no fans of either of you, to say the least.
But let's get, let's now fast forward to what in the world happened this week, Gary, and how is it allowed to happen the second time in two months?
I know the media's got its narrative and it's sticking to it.
You were there.
You have provided protection for a sitting president.
Here we are again.
Yeah.
So each one of these events where there was an attempted assassination on President Trump, I've done many of them, outdoors, indoors.
The event the other day on the golf course, you know, this is just another example.
And it's the reason I wrote my second book, Secrets of the Secret Service.
It's an important job.
We're good men and women when we get in there, but that agency's got all the problems with the IRS and the Postal Service and then some.
And what they do immediately is when something happens is they obfuscate, they quote policy.
And the truth is they're not protecting him.
They're not.
When they stand there and tell you after this, you know, during the press conference for the second attempt on his life in less than 70 days, when they tell you that because the sitting president doesn't get that type of package, it's just complete malaria.
The Secret Service has shown many times, you know, when they make these mistakes, they never come out and tell the truth.
Just give your audience an ideal.
By the time John Kennedy dies in Dallas, Texas in 1963, four other presidents have been shot at in open vehicles.
What's our learning curve?
Jerry Ford is shot at twice in a 14-day period by women with handguns because they're in unsecured crowds and they're moving around from unsecured crowds to the press corps.
And the press corps wasn't secured.
Now, the press corps, the Secret Service was recommended to secure the Press Corps after the Kennedy assassination, and they didn't.
Then Ronald Reagan gets shot by John Hinckley because he's hiding in the unsecured press corps.
Again, you have to ask yourself, what is their learning curve?
Well, let me ask you this.
It sounds like he needs to pull, Trump needs to pull a page out of Joe Biden's book and campaign from the base.
You'd have to wonder if he has any sort of second thoughts about leaving the House anymore.
But Congressman, I know you had a question about the fact that this was not on his scheduled list of appointments.
Go ahead.
I think, yeah, I was mentioning this.
I don't understand.
He happened to know what was not enlisted on the schedule, which means the only people that knew really were Trump.
Even by the admission, everybody was spontaneous.
So how did he know?
I was thinking someone had to tip him off, even if he was there for 12 hours.
Someone tipped him off.
He wasn't there for 12 days.
And the other thing is, well, I guess I want you to answer that question, but how come they didn't use dogs?
Every place I ever saw that's want to secure a perimeter has dogs that can have great smell and can smell and would have ferried him out pretty quick.
And it's cheap.
So to answer your second question first, they weren't securing the perimeter.
Clearly, they would have found this guy.
They were not securing the perimeter.
They were not securing the road right on the perimeter, which they should have been doing.
The reason they didn't was because they were working under this pretense because it was an off-the-record movement.
And this is a big deal.
Don't get me wrong.
Off-the-record movements are a very good tool when a protectee wants to go somewhere, maybe low-key.
But the problem is with the golf, you know, how many people go and golf from that area, from where he lives, and a five to seven, eight, whatever amount of black cars are in that motor cave.
He leaves a footprint.
The Secret Service and the president and former president leave a footprint.
Now, this guy, his phone pinged there for 12 hours.
He was there.
He should have been discovered.
And the reason he wasn't was because the Secret Service management is not letting their employees do their job.
It's not giving them enough manpower.
They've got a $3 billion budget, and they are still down on manpower agents, uniform division officers.
And they've been getting away with it for years, and it's coming to fruition, just like the incident in Butler, Pennsylvania.
You cannot look anybody in the space seriously and say that that building was outside the secure perimeter.
Just because you shortened the secure perimeter, because you don't have the manpower, doesn't mean that it's magic and nobody can attack you.
And it did the same thing when he was gossiping the other day.
Yeah, but they've increased the number of people they're protecting.
And some of the people don't need that kind of protection, like a T with Mrs. Jill Biden or Dr. Biden, as she calls herself.
You don't need a full scope of security for T.
And yet, when it comes to Trump, they can't, they could even pull people off its own or what it's under one agency now.
I don't know why they combined everything, but they did.
And they could pull people from everywhere.
And their budget has doubled in size.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
When I left in 2003, their budget was about $900 million.
In 2024, last year, it was a little over $3 billion.
And listen, I know they have a lot of responsibilities.
The problem is, is they don't ever fix anything.
And they never go to Congress and say, listen, one of the things that Congress should get together and realize is it is ridiculous for the American taxpayer and the Secret Service to be protecting former presidents for more than five years.
They're all wealthy.
Let them protect themselves.
Let them hire retired agents like Richard Nixon did.
And it would free up all that manpower.
Make it 10 years.
At one time, Bill Clinton passed a law that it was 10 years.
And then when Barack Obama got in office, he changed it to a lifetime.
It is ridiculous to put that kind of demand on the Secret Service.
They just cannot get that many cleared employees.
And here's the go ahead.
I was going to ask you this.
How many of the people in the Secret Service are lefties or DEI hires now?
Can we rely on them?
Yeah, there's no way to know that.
You know, when I was in there, I left in 2003.
And, you know, you could tell sometimes somebody had a different political opinion than the person that was in office.
I was no fan of the Clintons, but I would tell you many times, and I risked my life, you know, to protect them.
And I absolutely would.
That's the job.
But the problem now is it's not the rank and file.
It's the management.
Clearly, based on what we've heard since the first attempted assassination, that the head of President Trump's detail was told to stop requesting materials and manpower that they weren't going to get because it left a trail and it made the executives look bad.
And, you know, this is what they're up against.
And how do you fix that?
You have to get in there.
First of all, the Secret Service has bloated itself management-wise.
There's at least two levels of management that wasn't there years ago.
And they've added it to add more jobs, to take care of their friends.
They broke up the uniform division and put a GS13 and 14 and 15 in charge of every small group of the uniform division.
And they are a giant elephant that can't dance anymore, clearly.
I want to just say this very quickly, and then I'm going to toss it back to Congressman Stockman for another question to you, Gary.
But I want to be sure to plug your books.
Folks, I mean, Secret Service has been in the news a lot this year, and this guy takes you behind the scenes.
First of all, with the book that I guess you could say he's most well known for, this number one best-selling New York Times book, Crisis of Character.
A White House Secret Service officer discloses his first-hand experience with Hillary, Bill, and how they operate.
When that thing dropped, you know, Gary, you and I were at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in 2016.
That's when I interviewed you for the first time.
You were the darling of the whole thing.
That book was coming out.
And it was just an amazing time.
And your second book, most recent book, Secrets of the Secret Service, the History and Uncertain Future of the U.S. Secret Service.
And I would say that future might be becoming even more uncertain as things like this happen.
But both of those books, Crisis of Character and Secrets of the Secret Service by our guest and friend, Gary Byrne, available on Amazon and pretty much everywhere, but you can get them at Amazon.
We want you to be sure to get one.
I'm going to get one for you, Steve, and have it mailed down as a Christmas present.
Y'all were both there in Washington together during those years.
And I want to get Gary stories to tell.
I want Gary to try to say, my dear best friend, you saved my life in Vietnam.
We can do that.
I think we can get something like that done.
But anyway, Congressman, back to this conversation.
I mean, I told Gary, we had Congressman Stockman on back in July, and he said after the first attempt, right around the time you were last on, really.
And he said, you know, he could see another attempt happening.
And now, sure enough, it has.
What, 300 yards away, didn't get a shot off like the first guy did, but still, that's a little too close for comfort for me.
Congressman, continue on the conversation in line of questioning with Gary Byrne.
Well, I just wondering if he was in charge, which would be great if Trump put you in charge.
What would you do to reform it?
Because I think almost, you know, people are making fun of that.
One woman, no offense to her, I don't know her, but she looked like she was on Saturday Night Live.
She was so concerned about putting her sunglasses on for the picture.
She puts them on, and then she states, what do we do?
What do we do?
And I found she's the one in charge.
And she's been relieved of some of her duties, I understand, but she couldn't even get her gun in her holster.
And someone said she had almost no training, but they wanted to promote women and try to get 40% of the staff with women.
And we're losing our ability in the United States, whether it's Boeing or all these companies that practice this promotion based on not your qualifications, but your, you know, your race or gender.
And it's alarming.
Is there a way that if you were in charge, what would you recommend?
Yeah, the first thing I would do is I'd throw all this political correctness out the window.
You want a job at the Secret Service.
I don't care what you look like.
I don't care how you go to the bathroom.
I don't care if you pray or don't pray.
Pass the test, do the job, follow directions, keep yourself fit, and take the training and have a clear background and move forward from there.
As far as the upper echelon of the Secret Service, I would clean house.
I would wipe out almost the entire level of deputy assistant directors.
I would immediately reinstitute some of the old firearms training that we used to do that they got rid of because it became too hard for people.
I would immediately start beefing up.
And I would also ask Congress to go back and look over the years.
The Secret Service for the last 25 years has been famous for this.
They go to Congress, they say there's an election in two years.
We need 300 more Uniform Division officers and 150 agents.
They give them the money.
They hire 100 uniform division officers and 50 agents.
And then what happens to the rest of that money?
They used to joke about it.
You know, so I would, those are some of the things that I would do right away.
But the first thing I do is I beef up these protection details.
Whether I had to shut down investigations, you know, I would take half the, you could get, you could get many agents.
And your field office and the LA field office are enormous.
And there's a couple more large offices in the country, Miami's one.
Get half those agents temporary duty to beef up these details, get more Uniform Division countersniper trained up and more Uniform Division officers, emergency response teams, and more officers on the ground and stop using these people from other agencies.
Listen, the U.S. Congress didn't pass the air marshal law for air marshals to be down on the southern border or beefing up the Secret Service.
The air marshal program is supposed to be on airplanes.
And a lot of my former air marshal friends are, you know, beefing up the Secret Service's details, and they're down on the southern border.
That's not where terrorists who grab airplanes are going to be.
So, you know, they need to, the Secret Service needs to get its own people and start using them efficiently.
I'd like to ask two requests from you real quick.
Look, two requests.
One, I wish you'd write an article about this.
And two, I think you should take it out of DHS because the DHS has been piloting people from Secret Service and also adding a bunch of people.
There's as many as 40 right now being covered with Secret Service.
I don't think that many people need it.
That's my opinion.
Yeah, that's the responsibility of some other organizations.
And, you know, taking the Secret Service and putting them back in the Treasury Department, I think would be a very smart thing to do.
It would make Gary, let me ask you this real quickly, if I could.
Sure.
There are a lot of DEI hires and unmerited appointments in the FBI and in the Secret Service.
Based on what I've read and seen, yes.
Listen, when former Director Cheadle sat there and told two or three different times that her main goal with the Secret Service was to have 30% of the agents be women.
That's the main goal.
How about 30% of the agents be expert marksmen?
How about 50% of everybody you hire, you know, shoots a perfect 300 score or is a borderline the fastest runner or whatever or martial arts fighter?
That's who you need to be hiring.
Who gives a crap how they go to the bathroom?
It's not helping.
You had a great line there about I don't care how they go to the bathroom.
I'm going to use that actually.
I don't care how they go to the bathroom as long as they can get the job done.
But you also have to be practical.
You have to look at reality.
A five-foot-tall woman shouldn't be protecting.
How tall is Trump?
6'4?
You know, he's a big boy.
I mean, put him on Dr. Jill's protective detail and they can cover her.
You at least need to be able to cover the target, you would think, or be of approximate size.
But anyway, back to what you were answering, what Steve had asked you about other things you would do, other things that should be done if Trump's going to survive to November.
Yeah, well, right away, like I said, I would transfer as many, I would transfer 50% of the agents in these large field offices, beef up his detail, start treating the Mar-Lago where he's living closer to the White House security.
If he's going to go golf, shut it all down, you know, or control it.
You don't have to ruin everybody's life.
But there's no reason that they shouldn't have, they should have had Uniform Division and agent and agents on that roadway where that guy was camped out for 12 hours.
The only reason that he didn't get a shot off is because an agent happened to be looking in the right direction and saw the guy.
And that's just luck.
And that's not what the Secret Service charter is.
It's rings of concentric security, one overlapping the other.
That's not what they were doing.
And I'm not saying that the off-the-record movement should be never used.
It's great in certain areas.
But when you have to get in a motorcade and drive a short distance to the golf course, everybody knows who that is.
And you're leaving a footprint.
And the Secret Service has been getting away with it, and it caught up to him.
Congressman, we are turning the corner now on what has been just, I knew pairing the two of you together would be great.
Both of you individually are great.
And when you pair it together, you start to get some synergy.
And so I'll toss it back over to you, Steve.
Well, I'm just fascinated by this, but he never responds to me.
I asked if he would write an article and put it in the paper because I think that, you know, you're leading edge and going public with it.
I mean, you have some excellent ideas.
And I like the idea of putting him back in treasury because, you know, it also does counterfeiting.
But it's still political now.
Under DHS, it's politics all the time.
And that moron that's running DHS is not helping.
He's letting the border destroy it.
So why would he not let the president in jeopardy?
It's a huge mistake.
Yeah.
Again, he's making some of the same mistakes we saw the former director of the Secret Service make, where he's saying, you know, from now on, Border Patrol can't refer to people crossing the border as criminals or illegal aliens.
That is what they are.
Don't worry about that.
Worry about controlling them.
Worry about, you know, taking care of your officers.
Making sure they have what they need.
Control the border.
That's their job, and they're not doing it.
And, you know, that's why you see, you know, that kind of stuff spreads out to all the agencies, that mentality of, oh, you know, political correctness is more important than doing your job.
And it is not.
Gary Bird.
Seriously, when the guy comes out who's the director says, we'll do better next time.
There shouldn't be a next time.
They keep saying that.
We screwed up this time, but next time, next time, next time.
It takes one time.
I think Donald Trump and his family have had enough close calls.
And I'm sorry, the guy that's there now, the assistant director, he should be on his way out the door.
I'm sorry.
I don't know him, but based on what we've seen and what he said, you know, listen, I think it's great that one of the Secret Service agents at the last minute saw this rifle through the bushes and opened fire on him.
But he didn't hit him.
One, and two, it should have never happened.
It should have been taken care of way before that.
Again, they're not.
Thank goodness they didn't hit him, gentlemen, because if they had hit him, we'd have another dead man that can tell no tales.
They need to interrogate this guy like that.
That's a valid point.
Yeah, that's a valid point.
Congressman, as far as writing an article, the truth is everything that I've said is mostly all in the book, Secrets of the Secret Service.
So I've already kind of written on it, but it's not out of the question.
So I'll keep it in mind.
No, I mean, it's just kind of a short thing recommending what needs to be done because right now there's so many voices and a great senator from Wisconsin is expressing concern.
And I think you probably already talked to him, but it would be helpful, I think, for the public to know of, you know, like a one-pager just to show you what we need to do.
You summarize it really, really great here on the show.
Well, I appreciate that.
I'll tell you this.
If a member of Congress, you know, request me to come and give testimony, I certainly would.
But, you know, I will keep an I will think about this article thing and take a look at some information and see what I can do there.
But I would always, you know, if I get a request to come and testify or a rib information to somebody who's investigating this, I'd be glad to.
I'll tell you what we're going to do.
First of all, we're going to remind everybody, Crisis of Character, Secrets of the Secret Service, the two books by Gary Byrd, available on Amazon if you want more information.
And this is a hot, this is the hottest of topics right now.
And I'm certainly going to, when we get clear here, we're going to revisit an interview we did with Pat Buchanan in the next hour.
Stay tuned for that.
But I am going to text both of you gentlemen each other's contact information so y'all can be in touch and collaborate.
Because I agree.
I think absolutely Gary Byrne needs to be heard from more right now and his insights.
And again, anybody can have a theory.
Anybody can have advice.
This is a guy who did it, and he did it right there in the Oval Office, uniformed officer.
One last question, Gary.
Alan, there seems to be an awful lot of overlap between these three initial agencies now, Homeland Security, for example, and others.
What do you think is the most dangerous and the most off-the-chain group that you've got among those Alphabet Soup agencies now?
Well, it seems like to me that, I mean, they're not part of Homeland Security, but I think the FBI is really wayward.
And as far as being incompetent publicly and making these mistakes and then trying to hide behind, you know, the Secret Service clearly, you know, in less than 70 days, they've allowed twice somebody try to take this guy's life in public.
And I mean, I understand why there's so many people out there that think it's an inside job with all these conspiracy theories because, you know, the problem is that 90% of what people know about the Secret Service comes from TV and movies, and that's just not what reality is.
And I hope somebody like Mr. Trump doesn't have to pay for it with his life.
Congressman Stockman, final word to you before the music starts.
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I'm worried and concerned that if Camilla gets elected, this kind of freedom to be able to talk to the radio will be gone.
Any history of her shows that she's a repressive, evil, evil, evil person.
You called it back.
You've called too many things that have come to pass for us to test fate on that one.
But you talked about.
Who was it that called you the Nostradamus or the filibuster?
The getting rid of the filibuster and putting in four more Democratic senators if they can get Puerto Rico and D.C. statehood.
I mean, listen, hacking the spot.
It's all on the table if these people get back in with both houses of Congress behind them.
So we'll see.
We wish Gary was still in protective detail.
We wish you were back there in Washington now yourself, Steve.
The stakes have never been higher than in this upcoming election, folks.
We have had a great hour.
Gary Byrne, thank you so much.
Congressman Steve Stockman, thank you so much.
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