June 8, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen.
It's going to be a bumpy ride tonight and most likely for the rest of the year here on TPC and throughout the country.
As the temperature is turning up outside, it's also turning up politically speaking.
And we're going to be covering at length tonight the bogus verdict in the Donald Trump so-called hush money trial.
Joining us live on the air this hour to offer their thoughts and reactions from a political perspective will be former U.S. Congressman Steve Stockman and Steve King.
We will have a panel of lawyers, attorneys in the next hour to offer their response from a legal perspective.
But without further ado, let's get to the first of our two friends.
Congressman King will be joining us in the next segment so we can give Congressman Stockman a wide berth here because I think, Congressman, if there's anyone who can relate to what Donald Trump is going through in terms of corrupt persecution, criminal persecution, and the consequences of that, it is you.
Ladies and gentlemen, this man, if you're not familiar with this story, be sure to check out our broadcast archives.
Two-term former congressmen from two separate districts, 20 years apart in the great state of Texas.
And they came up with increasingly creative ways to get rid of him both times.
It's a story you need to hear.
We can't rehash it all tonight.
Go to our archive back in November.
He really lays it all out.
Always a pleasure to talk with Congressman Steve Stockman.
How are you tonight, Congressman?
I'm doing fabulous.
It's so great to be on your show again, and I'm honored you would reach out to me.
I really appreciate it.
The honor, my friend, is entirely ours when we're talking with someone of your renown and your courage to have gone through what you've gone through.
And we, of course, played your speech, a recent speech you gave in Las Vegas just last week.
And so people who tuned into the program last week will be a little better familiar with some of that.
But let's just jump right into it.
Your take as you watched what happened about a week and a half ago in New York.
Well, it kind of freaked me out because at the end of our trial, one of our prosecutors said, hey, we can use this on Trump.
And I thought, you know, they're just kind of being braggadocious or whatever.
But they, in fact, emulated what they did to me.
They used the FEC, and most people don't know FEC law.
So if you take an average juror and say, hey, you violated the law, they're not going to go, no, subsection five.
You know, so they use an obscure agency.
By the way, both in my case and in Trump's case, the FEC in both cases said we did nothing wrong.
So why is the DOJ prosecuting something in which they said we were compliant?
It's just, it's amazing.
It's like a cookie cutter.
You know, the same thing they did to our friend Peter Navarro, they did to me.
They arrested me at the airport just like they did Peter and they shackled me.
And we had offered, you know, they said, if it ever, you know, want us to come in, we'll come in.
So there's very similarities.
It's almost like Cookie Cutter.
And I think you even had Jack Smith was involved in both your case and the case against President Trump.
Am I right?
Correct.
Yeah, Jack Smith.
Fact, my theory is when Trump won, he got nervous because they, you know, he was so corrupt that he thought maybe Trump might appoint someone to actually do something.
So that's one reason why I think he fled to Europe and he worked in a very corrupt international court that indicted Israelis.
It's like a rape victim getting charged with the rape.
You know, the victim is being charged.
That's what the International Criminal Court did.
And he worked for those guys overseas.
And he, our Secretary of State was very upset with him because they had a peace process going on.
And then Jack Smith, because he didn't want Trump to get the credit, arrests the key person negotiating.
It's just he's Jack Smith's a very devious and very dedicated leftist.
His wife's good friends with Michelle Obama.
Look, and what you said a moment ago is on point.
You mentioned Peter Navarro.
I'll get to that.
But folks, if you're not familiar, you should be because I know most of the listeners of this program listen every week.
Every now and then, I mean, you know, undoubtedly, every program, you have some listeners who are tuning in for the first time.
But if you don't know the story of Steve Stockman politically, it's like a tall tale, like a Paul Bunyan, but it's all too true.
And then the fact that he was imprisoned on what I firmly believe and have no doubt to believe are totally, pardon the pun, but Trumped up charges.
They were going to put you in prison for hundreds of years, hundreds of years, and you were in prison.
And we played this speech you gave in Las Vegas last week.
We just played the whole thing.
And you were serving some really hard time until Trump commuted your sentence.
It wasn't like, well, they may go after you.
They'd actually put you in prison and they were going to leave you there for the rest of your life.
Trump commuted your sentence.
But now what you've got is, I mean, Tucker getting booted from Fox.
Alex Jones owes a billion dollars.
Rudy Giudiani owes $100 million.
Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro are being imprisoned.
Trump has 34 felonies now.
He's been banned off social media.
The CFO of Epoch Times was just indicted.
James O'Keefe has gone from Project Veritas.
OAN has been banned from all major satellite networks.
Look, I mean, the communists have taken over America, Steve.
That's all there is to it.
And if they're not defeated in November, all the things that I just listed are going to look like an appetizer compared to what they're going to do to us next.
Where does this go?
If they can get the president, they can get anybody.
You can believe it.
And we'll talk about just how loose these charges were against Trump.
Remember, during the tape we have of the DOJ, I forget his name, the guy who's having sex with his co-worker.
He said, don't worry, we have a million ways to get him.
And then, of course, you have Schumer who said we can get him six ways with Sunday with the intelligence.
And so they know that the intelligence and the prosecutions combined is compromised.
And if you think about it, just they do this.
You know, our good friend Sean Hannity, who said it's only the top.
No, it's corrupt all the way down because the way they recruit now is not if you have a if you have legal training and all that, they don't recruit you.
But if you have a women's study degree or binary sexual degree or whatever, in fact, there's a clip just recently showing these FBI agents running down with their jackets on in the gay parade and they're pretty far extreme left.
You know, we get, we got real problems when you have a corruption at the very top and the people running the organization are very corrupt.
The woman that came to my house, she left up her Facebook page, which kind of surprised me, but it showed her she belonged to the Democrat Socialist Party.
I mean, they're extremely extreme left.
Yeah, I know, yeah.
And she was a second generation.
Her parents came over from India.
So she has no bearings on the Constitution or understanding.
I mean, you go to a legal school now, and it's all, you saw where the students got up and interrupted a federal judge, a conservative federal judge, and wouldn't let them talk.
I mean, this was the students from a law school.
So we have a fundamental breakdown.
It's like Rome in the fall of Rome.
You have, you know, people's rights aren't being protected.
And then they say that we're going to do retribution.
No, you guys change the rules.
And we're going to follow the rules, the new rules that you set out before us.
Oh, Steve.
Steve, this is Keith Alexander.
Hi, Keith.
How are you today?
Oh, I'm doing great, man.
I tell you, except for some car trouble on the way to the studio tonight.
Every week now, to every event we go to.
I tell you what.
Anyway.
Well, wait a minute.
I didn't go to jail for you.
You're supposed to be a rich right-wing fascist who has a limousine driver and you're oppressing people with your wealth.
Well, someone has the wrong template there.
I tell you.
Let me ask you this.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
You go ahead.
No, someone told me one time, they said, all your supporters are extreme white-wing, wealthy people.
I go, you've got to be kidding me.
They're always breaking down their cars.
They're just poor, hard-working folks.
And it's the grassroots that are really what propelled me into office.
And it wasn't the elite.
And I was always loyal to that group of grassroots who sacrificed.
We didn't have any money.
We're out, spent 12 to 1, but we had 2,500 volunteers.
But go ahead.
I apologize.
And I know some of those people.
Before we ever talked together, Steve, I talked to some of the people in your district to see if they voted for you.
And without question, they all did.
And it was very encouraging to hear what they had to say about you.
Go ahead, Keith.
You know, what is happening in the Justice Department and the legal system is just a glimpse into a broader problem, which is that the founding stock of America is losing all control.
You don't have people that have respect for our Anglo-Saxon judicial system and legal system.
And they're interpreting laws and they're interpreting them in ways that are just totally indefensible and absurd.
But we don't seem to, you know, we should have gotten the last election for president reversed, but the Supreme Court didn't have the guts to go through with it.
That's what I'm fearful will happen this time.
What do you think is going to happen?
Well, I'm cautious about saying something publicly, but I've written a couple of articles when the Red Way said it was going to happen.
I didn't write it sooner because I don't want to be the last time I wrote an article like that.
I got blamed for it happening.
So this time I wrote the article the day before.
And the first line of the article said this was written before the election.
And we have real problems.
I don't think people realize the Marxists are in power to control the elections.
Hold on right there, Steve.
I'm sorry to cut you off before you could give a full and complete answer, but we've got a quick break and we're going to grab our mutual friend and your colleague, Steve King.
He's joining the party next.
You know where the solution can be found, Mr. President?
I think we've got about a two-minute break here, Steve.
And Liz, you can go ahead and grab the other Steve.
Okay.
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I tell you what, ladies and gentlemen, I'm about to get set.
I'm about ready to call for a quorum.
See if we've got a quorum here, and we're going to let these guys start voting again.
Congressman Steve Stockman has now been joined by Congressman Steve King.
This could be, I think, guys, y'all could have one hell of a podcast, the Steve and Steve Show.
I'd tune in every time, that's for sure.
And, well, what can be said?
Two of the very best.
That's why they're not up there anymore.
Creative ways to take out people who are doing good work.
But anyway.
The terms will get you censored every time.
Or worse, as we're finding out and learning all too frequently now.
Congressman King will have to, Ray, they should always be called by their formal titles.
Perhaps we're too familiar here, but with Steve and Steve on, we will refer to them as Congressman King and Congressman Stockman.
The most worshipful Congressman Steve and C. That's right.
So there's no confusion.
Good one, Keith.
Thank you.
All right, well, Congressman King, we just heard from your colleague in the first segment.
He'll be on with us for the next couple of seconds.
We're going to have a roundtable discussion here.
His thoughts on it.
Let's just give the wide-angle view here.
First, you were watching with interest, as we all were, a week and a half ago when this verdict came down.
34 felony counts, guilty on all.
Where are we going in this country, Steve?
Well, this is just completely awful.
And I think my analysis of it or my judgment on it was pretty close to what the American people did, which is they threw together 34 accounts, and in my view, all manufactured.
Statute limitations has expired and put it before a jury, a jury that didn't have to have unanimous conclusion on that thing, unanimous decision, and came out with 34 convictions.
Now, who could think that something that's completely unprecedented that's outside the jurisdiction of the very court itself, that the statute of limitations had expired upon, could be served up before an objective jury of 12.
12 jurors of Donald Trump's peers.
First of all, Donald Trump has no peer.
It's impossible to put a jury together that would be Donald Trump's peers.
Instead, you put the juries together with people that couldn't abide the idea of ever voting for Donald Trump in the first place, and they scrubbed that jury right down to anybody left was not going to be a Donald Trump supporter or Donald Trump voter.
So with all of that, but 34 guilty convictions on 34 Trumped-up counts magnified into felony counts, which even any kind of legitimate thing would not be.
They'd be misdened at the very most.
No objective person can look at that and think that justice was served.
No, it was political persecution of an order that this nation has never, ever seen, and something beyond the scope of what our founding fathers and our framers would have ever imagined could happen in a country of moral, faithful Christian people who care about our Bible and our Constitution and the destiny of America.
A God-anointed nation now has been poisoned, and we need to do something to sanctify it.
All right.
I want to toss this back to Steve Stockman in just a second.
And then Keith Alexander has to weigh in as well.
But you said something that was so important right there, and you said it in passing.
But I just want to highlight, Keith and I were talking about this earlier on the phone today when we were preparing for tonight's show.
I said, what a joke to consider that to be a jury of Donald Trump's peers because they held this in a jurisdiction that, of course, it was purposefully put in that jurisdiction.
That district went, or the area from which the jury was pulled from, went 94 to 6 against Trump.
6% voted for Trump.
It's like when they threw the OJ trial by having it in downtown L.A. instead of having it out in the Brentwood where he lived and where the murders occurred.
I mean, you can obviously get the verdict you want by getting the venue you want, and that happened.
Keith, very quickly.
Well, you know, they say diversity is our greatest strength, right?
And you now see what happened from diversity.
We have people that have no founding whatever in Anglo-Saxon folkways or traditions or our legal system, which is based on all of those things.
Well, you got, you know, and you certainly have a lot of white liberals, to be sure, in Manhattan who are equal, you know, a big part of the problem.
Let's be clear.
But anyway, very quickly on that, 94%.
I got to read this and get your response, Congressman King, and then we'll go to Congressman Stockman.
But this is where we're at.
In the hands of partisan, a friend of mine wrote this in an article this week.
In the hands of partisan liberal Democrats, the law, quote unquote, law, has become a weapon to punish enemies and reward friends.
The entire populist right has been targeted from, Steve Stockman and I just went through a litany of these people, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, you name it, Peter Navarro.
Trump himself has now been charged with over 90 felonies and convicted on 34 felonies so far.
Steve Bannon's been ordered to report to prison on July 1st.
Everyone around Trump has been prosecuted.
Steve, King, when you and I were down in Orlando earlier this year, I said, I mean, can we have a future with Blue State America when they are so devoid of principle?
As you said, rule of law, anything that binds us to the founding stock of America.
How do we endure this?
Because they're the ones calling the shot, and this will happen to everybody.
It's happened to you.
It's happened to Stockman, to Trump, you name it.
Yeah, and I just got a verdict from the Eighth Circuit Court just yesterday on my appeal on the copyright case.
But that's a little bit of a side story, but it fits within this law affair.
And I'm continuing to do battle with them.
I don't know what we're going to do yet.
I haven't talked to my attorney, but where are we going with this and what happens?
And I think, I'd say this, that seven or eight years ago, I began talking about this nation moving towards a potential civil war.
And I took a lot of criticism for that.
I'll go to the next step here.
And I think it's not really a civil war that we're moving towards.
It's America's values of founding, which you and I have talked about quite a lot.
We are the flagship of Western civilization.
And the world knows it.
And the Marxists in the world know that, and the Islamists in the world know that, and the World Economic Forum that wants to operate this thing out of Davos, or more correctly, Geneva, all know that.
But we are being the flagship of Western civilization, they want to sink us, and they have to do so by taking us apart from inside.
The culture of America is under assault.
Every institution has been corrupted by these people.
And so, where do we go with this?
And what do we do?
I listened to a wise man whose name I can't say publicly here in a brain trust that I'm part of, I'll say a think tank.
And we were talking about federal policy, and he said, You need to understand this is not about the policy we're discussing here, it's about the revolution.
They want a revolution, no longer Civil War, revolution.
They want to transform America, they want to create the chaos, and they even want some of us to fly off the handle and go violent so that they can do to us what they did to the J6 people.
And they'll continue to take it apart because they've got the power of the institutions to do it, at least with Biden as president.
That's why this election, you know, all my life I've heard this is the most important election of your life.
Probably it was, but this is the one where the existential, sustaining the existential life of America as we know it is on the bubble now.
All right, let's uh, let's fantastic uh response.
Let's toss it over to your colleague and friend, Steve Stockman.
Always great to have the two Steve's reunited.
We've been able to do that a couple of times.
Steve, say hello to Steve and your response to anything you just heard so far this segment, Congressman Stockman.
Well, Steve was leader in the House, and when everybody tried to stop him or whatever, they called him pejorative names and made up stuff about him.
But one of the great platforms, but also a real gentleman and a scholar.
And you can hear in his voice how he's stressed over this.
He was a successful businessman who didn't need to go, really, just like Trump didn't need to go into it and sacrificed a lot.
I think that the guys like Steve, myself, if you can pray for those that are still there fighting, you need to lift them up because a lot of times you feel like you're a little bit alone.
You know, a lot of our Republicans are not like Democrats.
Democrats heard into almost a pack dog mentality where Republicans are more like a herd of cats.
So, but Steve's, you know, he really got the short end of the stick.
And I was pretty distressed what they did to him and watching anybody go through.
I was reliving my own case when I was watching Trump, what they did to him.
And the parallels are so similar that it's pretty stressful.
I think we need to lift Trump up in prayer, too, because, you know, Trump acts like he's an amazing guy, but he's really taking more than just about anybody on this planet.
It's really amazing.
So I recognize people.
Yeah, I recognize.
I've never seen anybody come down as hard.
They've not come down on anybody.
I really don't think anybody except Donald Trump would have put up with what he's put up with for as long as he's put up with it.
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Both of our guys right now never back down, paid a terrible price.
But I mean, yeah, I mean, it's a good point, Keith.
I don't know, guys.
How would you compare your trials to that of Trump?
I mean, this is really something, and it's all relative, I guess, but it's certainly all within the same universe.
Well, if I'm going to speak into that thing, I'd say that they never locked me up, and they're trying mightily to lock Donald Trump up, but they did lock Steve Stockman up.
So his trials, I think, were much greater than mine.
And the levels of injustice that come along the way, it's part of hard to measure that.
But the tenacity of Donald Trump, his ability to face it day after day after day, and put a message out there that's inspiring and to grow the strength behind him.
And in each one of these conflicts that are coming at him, he began taking down the media and the corrupt complex that's there as a candidate for president in probably 2015.
Fake news, fake news, fake news was a big part of that.
He's convinced us how fake the news is by now.
What an opening for what we're dealing with now.
The news is fake, and the institutions in America are all corrupted.
And the past president and perhaps future president of the United States is targeted by lawfare in four different cases in four different states.
Some felonies, 34 felonies that just think they're missing.
Yeah, yeah, only after the DOJ had declined to prosecute, another institution declined to prosecute.
They make this thing up and they wrap themselves in the trappings of federal law to prosecute under state jurisdiction.
It is completely ridiculous from a legal standpoint, but that's how bad it is.
All right, gentlemen, we have to take a quick break.
So we've got a five-minute bottom-of-the-hour break here.
If y'all want to stretch your legs, get some sweet tea.
I know that's what Steve drinks probably down there in Texas.
We're southerners now.
You might have something else up there in Iowa tonight.
Congressman King.
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Hey, listen, I got to tell you folks, and I'm not ashamed to say it.
Man-to-man and man-to-audience, host to audience.
I love these guys.
I love Steve and Steve.
We were just having the most wonderful five-minute conversation about summer nights and grandkids.
I don't have those yet, but the other three gentlemen on the air tonight do.
And just all of this and just wonderful people.
It's a wonderful thing to be able to come together and even times of distress and band together as brothers and as people who are fighting in any way we can.
Certainly, Steve Stockman and Steve King have fought in different ways as members of Congress.
We're doing the best we can as mere pundits and lowly pundits at that.
But Keith, over to you.
Well, gentlemen, we've talked about this just a little bit before.
We've talked about how the institutions of our government, of our nation, aren't functioning as intended by the founding fathers, not by any stretch of the imagination.
But I like to go to something even more fundamental.
What about the people?
What is wrong with the people of New York and of blue state America generally that they buy into this tyrannical government that has developed, I think, over the past 50 years, 70 years, whatever it is.
But it's just, you know, we have people going to law school that have no idea what the law is and how to reason legally.
And then we get people on these juries that, you know, they've just, you know, their blind hatred for Trump, just Trump's, no pun intended, any type of consideration of their duties as a juror.
How could they have considered thoughtfully those 34 charges in the time that they took to reach a verdict on all 34?
All right, let's first go to Congressman Stockman and then Congressman King.
Well, one of the things that I'd like to point out is a direct correlation.
You take morality and God out of the schools, you're going to get what we got.
Something always replaces that vacuum.
My mother was a school teacher and she knows the dramatic difference when they took school prayer out.
And interesting note is Bill Murray, who's the son of Madeline Murray O'Hare, who went to court over it, he became a Christian, renounced his mother, who then ironically atheists end up murdering each other for money and all that.
But it's a very fascinating correlation.
You can see a direct relation to the corruption and failure of our society with the omission of Christ and prayer in schools.
That's my belief.
That's what I think.
Well, you certainly got, Steve, I think you're onto something because you certainly got that much, much, much more ardently taking place in blue states than you do in the red states, whether it be the old Confederacy or the Midwest where Steve King is or the Mountain West where our network is based.
But Steve King, to you.
Well, as I listened to what Steve Stockman had to say, yes, and I look back on that time when I went to school, we prayed in school and Christian moral values were taught as part of the curriculum.
And today it's more or less morals neutral.
And they scribble this out.
Even as I see the things that are coming through the internet on a daily basis, according to psychologists, here's what it takes to be happy.
Here's what it takes if you're intelligent.
This is what it takes to have your relationship work.
On and on and on.
Every day that pops up my Google page, there's no reference to religion ever in any of that.
And that faith in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that's the core of happiness.
How can you be happy without?
I remember my little granddaughters, we were going down the road and I was singing our Sunday morning coming down by Johnny Cash.
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And she's listening.
She's about eight years old and she said, well, why didn't he go to church?
And brilliant.
Perfect and right on target.
So taking religion out of this thing.
And I would just also add to this that of the people that we're watching that are being persecuted here, Mark Stein is among them.
And he was one of the more effective voices of principles conservatism and entertaining fellows that we've had out there.
And he had his lawsuit brought against him by Michael Mann, who was what, the University of Pennsylvania.
Yeah, that's right, the hockey stick guy, the hockey stick hoax guy.
And in 2012, Mark Stein wrote a one-paragraph set of remarks off of another article that was written by another gentleman.
And then he was sued by Michael Mann for disparagement.
And that suit went on from 2012 until February 8th of this year.
And I was sitting next to Michelle Bachman in San Antonio doing an event down there, a program for a video.
And she had been sitting in the courtroom with Mark Stein for two weeks as he was being targeted by this.
They finally got appealed all the way to the district court in the District of Columbia, the appeals court in the District of Columbia.
No conservative, I'm going to say it this way.
No white man has a chance to get a fair verdict in the District of Columbia, let alone a conservative, that happens to be a fair occasion.
And you can add New York to that list.
And Fulton County, Georgia.
I mean, this is it.
This is it.
This is what we're talking about right now.
We had a guest last week that said there's no such thing as a blue state, really.
We have blue ulcerous blobs on a few states.
Well, that's true in the urban areas.
You can go out to the rural, rugged counties in Oregon, and there's fantastic people that Portland sinks the whole show.
Like the Chicago Chicago tail wags the Illinois doll.
What's that, Steve?
Well, so just to conclude this, Mark Stein.
Sorry, Steve, I'll just tell you just quick.
Okay, go ahead.
Okay, so they sucked $5 million.
They sucked $5 million out of Mark Stein's net worth.
He ran out of money.
He had to defend himself.
He had had three heart attacks within the past year.
He defended himself in the courtroom from a wheelchair.
And when that verdict came down, I listened to that audio in real time, sitting next to Michelle Bachman, who knew the case.
What you could hear was the drip of contempt for Mark Stein and the attitude that we have to make an example of him because he is a climate change refuser, a non-believer, and so we have to punish him.
And they were joyfully put a million dollars more on top of Mark Stein's head that day for just simply writing a paragraph that said, I don't really believe in global warming.
So put him on that list with all the rest of us.
Yeah, it is.
It's a substitute for it, at least.
Guys, I mean, Congressman Stockman.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah.
Go, Congressman Stockman.
No, you know, I true.
The one thing I want to say is kind of a tangent, but kind of a burr on my saddle is that the press gave Republicans the red and the Democrats the blue.
When around the world, the blue is always conservatives and the red is communism.
And my dad, growing up, he'd always say it's better dead than red.
And so it's a little bit frustrating.
They manipulate the wording on everything.
You have genital mutilation.
They're calling gender affirming care.
It's Orwellian.
It's bizarre.
And they're sick.
And they just keep rewriting the word and the verbiages.
And then they attack you like they did to poor Mark Stein.
It's unbelievable.
It's a culture.
And on a military map, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, red is the enemy.
What I've concluded from everything that's been going down over the past several years, basically since Biden got into office, I really question whether I want to be part of a nation with those type of people, the people that served on Trump's jury, for example.
I think these people are too far gone.
And I don't think, practically speaking, we can hold this whole thing together unless we wind up in gulags.
Well, that's the thing, gentlemen.
I'd love your opinion on this.
You were both United States Congressman, C to Shining Sea Congressman.
I know that you represented your districts, obviously, and your states, but the way things are going now, is it possible to foresee a future for conservatives on the current trajectory?
Steve Stockman, first?
I think Steve King's leadership, long before we had this outrageous flood, invasion of people that do not have any idea about America and who do not care about America.
And many of them that you're capturing are actually terrorists.
And you're letting in whole divisions of Chinese young-aged men.
And to think nothing's going to happen is insane.
And it is really bad.
I think we're heading into this fall, and I think we're going to see some things that we never thought would happen in America.
We already have.
Certainly we already have.
I know.
And Steve's been, yeah, but in fairness, Steve King has been, you know, talking about this long before it became a hot topic, actually before Donald Trump was even talking about.
And he was called a racist, a bigot for sticking up for America.
Just adding into that thing, there's an axiom that I think all Americans should understand.
An axiom is this, that when you open up the gates into America and you bring an immigrant in, legal or illegal, you're importing their culture.
If everyone, every extra one you bring in, it's a larger and larger mass of the culture of the place from which they came.
And we should have been looking at that all along.
We need to look at it now.
And it's just that, is there whatever country, what other country in the world has a culture that we want to embrace and adopt into America?
I can't think of one, not the America I grew up in, not the America that most of my adulthood I spent in.
And so we want to be really careful with that, with those that will assimilate.
And I had written a bill, we didn't get very far with it, that set up five criteria on what we would allow for legal immigrants coming into America.
One of them was proficiency in the English language and having an education, a demonstrable way of making a living.
And some of those indications are what would show what the assimilation factors would be.
We needed to be assimilating people into America.
I take it back to 2002 when I was elected to Congress for the first time.
I looked around and I thought objectively, I'm going to be the congressman for all the people in this district.
So I assigned my staff before I was ever sworn in, actually.
It was in November or December of 2002.
And to bring to me the voices of the minorities in the Sioux City, Iowa community.
14 different voices came to that meeting.
And I sat and I just gave them a short speech.
And I listened to them for 89 minutes.
When the meeting was over, it was an hour and a half meeting.
I said, sorry, I don't have time to answer all the things you just said, but I'm going to ask you to do this.
Sit up on the front of your chairs for me and get all ready.
And I'm going to say one word to you.
And you need to demonstrate to me your reaction to that word by your body language.
They sat up on the front of their chairs.
I paused, got it all framed right, and I said, assimilation.
And they threw themselves back, threw their arms up in the air and rejected it universally.
14 representatives of the minority groups in Sioux City, Iowa all rejected assimilation in November, early December of 2002.
That's terrible.
Well, we need to recognize something that is plain as nose on your face.
People are not coming to America to assimilate and become Americans.
They just basically want to recreate their society under more prosperous circumstances.
And that's the good ones.
We have ones that come in with a lot more pernicious motives than that.
And it's being done on purpose.
One of our trademark catchphrases through the years has been, you can't have a first world nation with a third world population.
And that's what we're getting in.
We're getting it intentionally.
And as I often say as well, gentlemen, and I want to get both of you to respond to this excerpt from a column I'm going to read from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.
But the left doesn't reproduce as well as conservative Christians do.
The left with what?
It's homosexuality, transgenderism, we've got to not have babies to save the planet type of stuff.
But they do reproduce through the public education system.
And that is where you have a lot of these wayward white liberals who have just drank the Kool-Aid or taken it all, hook, line, and sinker.
And they're a big, big, big problem in these blue states.
And another problem with that is that we used to have a refuge in private schools.
You can't get a refuge anymore in the private schools because the teachers that teach in the private schools went to the same colleges of education that the public schools.
And they're all still getting, you know, they all have to, all these schools have to be accredited.
And that's another topic.
But listen to this.
This is how he ends it.
I'm going to just read the ending first.
And it's pretty radical, all right?
But this is what Paul Craig Roberts says in his column on Donald Trump's verdict, which is, of course, what we're talking about now.
We'll have Steve Stockman respond first and Steve King.
If there's any fight left in Americans, Dr. Roberts writes, and I'm unsure that there is, a prison sentence from a corrupt judge should launch a civil war.
Many would say it's past time.
If not, the people have submitted to tyranny.
The North submitted to Lincoln's tyranny.
The South did not.
Little is left of the old South, and it remains unclear what stands against the tyranny of Washington today.
Now, that is a radical statement coming from, I agree with it, let me be very clear, I agree with it, but this is not coming from some winger on the internet.
This is the former Assistant Secretary of the United States Treasury under President Ronald Reagan.
He was the associate editor at the Wall Street Journal.
This is Paul Craig Roberts we're talking about.
That's how he ends his column.
How he begins it is this.
And to give people a perspective on what we're talking about, I think perhaps we've taken for granted that everybody knows the nuances of what happened in New York.
They know the guilty verdict, but this is the background.
Paul Craig Roberts writes, and tyranny is upon us.
Keep in mind that these are 34 made-up felonies based on how an expense was recorded by accountants and attorneys.
Trump did not record the expense.
The expense was recorded according to accounting standards.
Keep in mind that a single accounting reporting change, a misdemeanor, was magically turned into 34 felonies of election violations.
The argument being that Trump won the election by misreporting the expense.
There are so many civil and criminal show trials going on against Trump that it's hard to keep track of all the absurdities.
Paul Craig Roberts continues.
Keep in mind that this is a case without complaints, without harmed parties.
It is a case brought by a prosecutor who showed no party harmed.
What is frightening is that legally, this is a case for which there are no legal grounds for bringing it.
Yet the bar associations, the law schools, and the media said nothing.
Getting Trump was so important that the law was sacrificed for that purpose.
And Trump's demonization made a fair trial impossible in a district that voted against him 94 to 6.
The weaponization of law to interfere with an election.
In other words, the prosecutor is guilty of interfering in an election.
The charge brought against Trump means the future of America is tyranny.
Very quickly, Keith.
Well, they found out how liberating it is to preside in the court and issue judgments without having to worry about the law.
And I don't even make a pretense of it anymore.
Again, Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan, writes, an appeal will be made, but in a state as corrupt as New York, it will be inconceivable that a decision will be based on law.
Congressman Stockman, your response to all that.
Well, I have to tell you that 11 years ago, Obama fundamentally changed the Department of Justice, and I wasn't the only one targeted.
There's a guy named Senator John Woods who's doing 18 years, and the FBI agent admitted on the stand that he destroyed evidence, which should have allowed this guy out.
640 megabytes he destroyed that could have showed his innocence.
And the FBI destroyed it, pleaded guilty to felonies, and got probation, one year probation.
Yet John still sits in the prison.
It is so corrupt.
And John's a Christian guy who they took a donation to a Christian school and turned it into multiple felonies.
And now the prosecutor was involved in a scandal, and the judge was a big donor to Obama.
And he's from Arkansas.
So he immediately got targeted.
Repeatedly, they use this thing.
I think what I'm so grateful to Trump is that now he's brought it out in the open.
It's been going on for a while, but now it's unbelievably blatant and open.
He's laid bare all what's been going on underneath the dirty waters for a long time.
I'm so glad that one of his greatest things he did as president.
If Hillary had won, we would be in even such worse shape than we are now.
Congressman King, your response to that or anything shared from the Paul Craig Roberts article?
Well, a couple of things that pop into mind for me is we are faced with a revolution.
And who is going to start that?
And when does it start and how or is there any way to back up and out of it?
And if there was, I'd be absolutely for the way to back up and out of this thing.
But I think something's going to happen that I would describe as the American Bastille Day, when we're fed up to the point when it's so obvious that the American people won't put up with it any longer.
And it could come from the other side because they're fomenting that.
They want chaos and they believe that they get power out of chaos.
On the other hand, are we so placid, so accepting that we'll never rise up?
As long as they can use law affair against us, we're going to accept it and call it the rule of law.
That's it.
I say, no, we can't do that.
Here's another piece that came to me on June 4th as I'm making calls to get people to come to the polls in the race out here.
And it was a lady whose husband is in the federal penitentiary in Duluth, Minnesota.
And he's in there on a gun charge of a gun that showed up in his checked luggage on an airplane flight that he had no idea that it was in there.
At least that's what he said.
I don't know.
But he's in federal penitentiary.
There's 300 to 350 inmates in that penitentiary.
He's been there since September 11th.
That's the day they sentenced him.
And he's now identified someplace between 50 and 100 Trump supporters that were donors to Trump, activists for Trump, that are incarcerated up there in the federal pen in Duluth.
Now, I don't know, the facts beyond that, I don't know, but I want to get more facts on that.
How long have they been doing this with the Biden administration, searching out and picking up people and finding trumped up charges in order to incarcerate them to take the enemies off the field to play?
And this is what happens in it.
It happens in a Marxist society and a third world society.
We have reached third world, and it's an embarrassment to the world that we are where we sit today.
And you know what I've got to say very quickly an elderly lady to prison, like four years in prison for praying in front of an abortion clinic.
Gentlemen, everything that you're talking about, see, this is it.
And by no means, and let it be cleared on the record, are we suggesting that people go out and do something stupid, advocate for, and God forbid, engage in violence.
But what we're saying here is how can a free society, how can free people be expected to eternally subject themselves to this injustice?
And if you do that, you are enslaved.
Our chains will sit lightly upon us, Keith.
Well, as a practical matter, based on what you were telling me, I really would not recommend that anybody use the airlines or flight to get anywhere.
You know, that's where they set up the NSA and people like this, you know, to check over everything.
That's like a choke point now.
I think you're taking your freedom and putting your freedom at risk by flying.
If you could even get on a plane, we just had an event.
We had a member of European Parliament that was scheduled to come over.
He couldn't even get in the country because he's a conservative.
So it is getting really wild out there, folks.
And the injustices range from the inconvenient to imprisonment.
And that's the question.
Last question.
And Steve Stockman, this is for you.
First of all, I got to say again, gentlemen, God bless you.
We love you.
Thank you so much for being on tonight.
We got to get up.
We were talking about this in the break, too.
We got to get up to Iowa to have some of that deep-fried butter and to listen to the corn grow.
Steve King says you can actually hear it growing.
But they say knee-high by the 4th of July.
And beyond.
It'll be tackled by then.
Steve Stockman, you would know better than any of us.
Is Donald Trump going to go to prison?
They said this was the weakest case against him, and they got him on all of them.
Is he going to prison in July?
I think the Democrats are in a bit of a quandary because every time they do something like that, he gets more blacks voting for him.
And if they don't have a black vote, they don't win.
So they're in a quandary.
They're sitting in the corner.
They're going, wow, we painted ourselves in a corner here.
But they did intentionally want to sentence him right before the convention because they literally could keep him out of the convention.
So they may do something where he gets like two weeks in prison-wise at the convention.
But I think there's more surprises coming.
I still don't think Biden is going to be the nominee.
They showed their ability to switch courses when in Ohio, they said, oh, Biden's not on because he's not nominated.
And the Democrat guy said, oh, don't worry, we can do it ourselves, like 12 of us or whatever.
So, I mean, there's more surprises coming this next six months.
No kidding.
I can't even imagine.
We've got to have you back on, gentlemen, both of you, before the election.
I can't even imagine where we'll be in November.
Who would have ever thought we were here?
All of this is unprecedented.
Not in our lifetime, unprecedented in the history of the Republic.
With the music about to play, I want to thank again, Congressman Steve Stockman from Texas, Congressman Steve King from Iowa.
Congressman King, look into your crystal ball in November.
Is Trump going to be a prisoner or a president?
Boy, he could be both.
And he could be both simultaneously.
And to quote my oldest son from about four or five months ago, he said, if they put Trump in prison, I'll vote for him if he's imprisoned.
And I hope he wins and pardons himself.
That's where I stand.
That's where the family stands here in a lot of the neighborhood up around where I am and be the same way.
We cannot let them do this.
And by the way, Thomas Jefferson never believed that you should sacrifice liberty for fear of blood.
Yeah.
There you go.
Wow, that's powerful.
He can't pardon himself in a state crime, by the way.
Unfortunately.
Well, that's another thing.
I think that's unprecedented.
I don't think there's ever been a situation where a state has prosecuted what would have been, even by their standards, a federal crime.
There's so much corruption.
And these guys go so light on the actual hardcore criminals.
And then they used legal gymnastics to come up with felonies.
I mean, this is something, folks, we've never seen anything like this, not since Jamestown, not since Plymouth Rock.
South Carolina should have indicted and tried Abraham Lincoln.
All right.
Well, we'll call a pause right there.
Congressman, thank you so much.
I'm a second, you guys.
Congressman, thank you so much for your time tonight, and we'll talk to you again soon.