June 8, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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All right, everybody.
A fantastic night on TPC.
Temperature's heating up outside.
It's heating up politically in this country, and it's heating up in the studio tonight.
During the first hour, you just heard from two former United States congressmen, Steve King and Steve Stockman.
And that was about as animated and as lit up as I've heard them, and I've heard a lot from them.
And they're great guys, but that was something as they were tackling this situation involving the guilty verdict for Donald Trump in Manhattan week before last.
They were covering it, I guess, mostly from a political angle.
We're going to be looking at it a little more legally this hour with a panel of lawyers first joining us.
And he'll be with us for the remainder of the evening, as it turns out.
Sam Dixon.
Sam Dixon needs no introduction.
If you don't know who Sam Dixon is, if you've been listening to this show, you're listening to this show.
That's right.
So we'll just say, Sam Dixon is with us, the man who needs no introduction.
And Sam, how are you tonight?
I'm fine.
How are you?
I'm good.
I tell you what, I'm fired up after those two guys.
But yes, I mean.
We'll have to ask him.
Well, I'm about average, really.
I don't want to pop.
He's not going to lie to you.
No, I'm not going to lie.
But I've had one thing after another, but everything has been minor, and I'm being protected by the Lord.
So I'm feeling good about it.
Well, that's what Steve Stockman said recently, that Trump commuted his sentence, and he didn't need to be pardoned because he got pardoned 2,000 years ago.
So anyway, Sam, we've been watching this with interest, to say the least, that this is unprecedented.
That's an understatement.
Let's get, before we bring Augustus and Victus on in the next segment to join this roundtable discussion as we had it in the first hour, you're watching this.
I know you have a very interesting take on it, and it's one that I agree with.
And let's begin with this being the best possible thing for us.
What happened to Trump?
How is that?
Well, it's far more important than exonerating Trump is for the core demographic of the nation, the Edwardses and Alexanders and Dixons.
The founding stock.
Our findings, founding stock, and our related Kip and Kim from Eastern and Central and Southern Europe to understand the system and to understand how much the so-called government of this country hates us and really hates America.
It's been captured by Marxists.
Yeah, this conviction.
It's one euphemism.
And the way the way the trial was handled, the absurdity of the charges, and the willingness of this overwhelmingly minority-ridden jury in Manhattan to set all logic and evidence and law aside to just do what they want to do in a ruthless way, the way Stalin did with the Polish Officer Corps at Katin.
All these things are lessons that have to be learned.
They're much more valuable than Trump getting acquitted.
So yeah, this will redound to our benefit.
It repudiates the establishment.
The establishment loses more of its legitimacy.
Tens of millions of people see through the fraud of the law system.
So, this is good for us.
Let me say this, Sam.
You know, after watching what the judicial system has been doing lately in Atlanta and in New York, doing to people like Vidair and Donald Trump and whatnot, it just confirms me in my conclusion that I really don't want to be part of a nation with these people anymore.
No, no, it's just no, you're right.
As I've said many times, you know, when I was a kid in high school, I was, to say the least, I wasn't on the football team, but I was a loyal supporter of the football team.
Many of my friends were on the football team.
And we would, on Saturday night, we'd have our high school football games with the other high schools in our league.
Our big rivals were the Decatur Bulldogs and the Briarcliffe Barons.
And we could play football against them because at heart, basically, all the kids on the teams agreed that they would play by the rules.
They wouldn't get off sides.
They wouldn't stomp on a tackle player and try to smash his face in.
But if you had teams like the Biden team or like the inhabitants of Manhattan in the Trump trial, or people like Mayor Louise Kelly on National Public Radio or Anderson Cooper, these people are not going to play by the rules.
And if somehow we could, quote, take the country back, end quote, they would invoke all the protections of the Bill of Rights, like they did for the communists and the new left and the civil rights demonstration without any sincerity, without any intent ever to accord those rights to us.
And once they got back in power and they had an ending at that, they'd start all of this stuff all over again.
Not only can we not live in the same country with all of these anti-white organized ethnic groups, we cannot live in the same country with people like Mary Louise Kelly and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and people like that.
We can't live with those people.
Sam, if you will give me the privilege, I would like to read just an excerpt here.
And I enjoy an embarrassment of riches behind the scenes, being able to converse with all of my peers via email.
And we have a nice little email list, a close-knit email group that Sam and I are part of.
This is what you wrote in response to this.
And I don't think it's anything you wouldn't share on the program.
But alienation is what we need.
And this result, talking about Trump's verdict, will help tens of millions of Americans recognize the reality of America and its courts.
As I've said before, this again is Sam Dixon writing: the only people who do not betray us are our enemies.
They are doing everything we would want them to do.
And they must be crazy.
They seem to think that this is still the America of 1958.
They think that people will react to the verdict in this trial, which you put the word trial in quotations, by saying, oh, Trump has been convicted of a crime.
I can't possibly vote for someone like that.
But they don't get it.
That this verdict will hugely radicalize half the country and cause them to hold the system's judiciary and its prosecutors in contempt.
We couldn't have scripted them to do anything better than this.
I know we've been talking about this already, Sam, but please elaborate a little bit further.
And by the way, everyone else and Nell Hangland.
This was by far the weakest of the cases against Trump.
This was the one that even his enemies thought that he would probably skate on.
Well, the silly woman that sued him for the defaming her for denying that he has to be that takes the prize.
Yes, both of them.
It nosed out Trump's legislative.
That was a civil thing.
This is a criminal felony here.
They use civil law like they did at Charlottesville as well as criminal law in their law fair.
And you know, these people that we're dealing with, and the other thing to understand, I talk to a lot of young white people that they had this idea.
Well, Jared Taylor seems to have this idea that, oh, things were different 20 or 30 years ago.
When I was in school, and Keith and I were in school back in the 60s, that somehow it was some kind of a Halcyon Day utopia of fairness and all.
No, this stuff has very deep impact.
It all had its roots in the civil rights move.
You're absolutely right.
We've got to tear down this sanctified, you know, Berlin Wall that they have built around the civil rights movement.
Everything that they're doing has its, you know, rigging elections, rigging trials, demonstrating, you know, using, and for example, the people that fought the civil rights movement didn't have the National Lawyers Guild or the NAACP Legal Defense Fund at the ready to bail them out or do anything.
And we're seeing, you know, it's basically that whole rubric of the civil rights movement is a trap that a lot of our people have fallen into.
That's what the people in Charlottesville fell into.
That's what the people on January the 6th fell into.
I'll go you one better.
Yes, the taproot goes back to Dr. King and the civil rights movement, but it also goes, the taproot goes deeper.
It plows right through the civil rights movement.
It goes down to Franklin Roosevelt and to Truman.
They did this kind of thing.
You know, the Great Sedition Trial.
That's something we ought to discuss sometime on political suspicion.
Your girlfriend, Rachel Maydow, has written a book now called Prequel praising Roosevelt for the Great Sedition Trial.
But this is a stunt.
This kind of filth that the American government was involved in in 1944.
Franklin Roosevelt had a pet reporter for one of the newspapers in D.C. to write letters to about 30 of his critics around the country.
One of them was actually a Mulano.
He wrote The New Republic, an honest liberal and a decent black guy, and Lawrence Dennis.
He wrote the best account of the trial.
This reporter wrote to all these people and asked them to send him copies of their pamphlets and their writings.
And in this way, Roosevelt and his attorney general and the so-called Justice Department were able to get the venue in Washington, D.C., and they indicted them all under the Smith Act, under a theory that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the commander-in-chief of the Army, and they were criticizing Franklin Roosevelt.
And this talked about a conspiracy to demoralize American soldiers and inspire a mutiny.
Hold on right there, Sam.
Hold on right there.
We've got to take a break.
We're going to add Augustus Invictus to this discussion.
Three lawyers and one commentator on the air tonight.
But I do what I can with what I've got.
Stay tuned, everybody.
We'll be right back.
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We had a couple of former congressmen on in the first hour talking about the situation involving Donald Trump, these trials, these unprecedented trials.
As I say, not just in our lifetime, but in all of American history, this is pure on Third World Banana Republic stuff where the seceding president tries to imprison his predecessor, who also happens to be the current frontrunner.
And we had Congressman Steve King, Congressman Steve Stockman on in the first hour.
A remarkable hour.
A remarkable hour.
Tonight, or rather in the second hour, right now, we have a panel of attorneys, Keith Alexander, my co-host, Sam Dixon, and now Augustus Invictus.
Augustus is a really sharp guy, and he's been on the show three times previously.
And actually, Augustus, you were one of the very first.
I appreciated it so much after the decision was handed down in my ill-fated libel lawsuit.
You were one of the first to reach out and offer condolences.
And I still remember that.
But it's always good to talk to you.
You were on most recently back in January of this year.
So we want to say hello to you and welcome you to the program in progress with Sam Dixon, your fellow attorney.
Take it away, Augustus.
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
Thank you very much for having me, man.
It's always a pleasure to be on.
And yeah, I still talk about your case all the time.
I actually brought it up earlier today.
I'm like, you would not believe this one case because somebody asked me, you know, I've got this radio program I'm going on tonight.
And they're like, well, who is it?
And I'm like, well, let me tell you a story.
And so I still, that still sticks in my crawl.
What happened to you?
Well, you know, I tell you, my friend, we didn't get the win, but we sure got a great story to tell.
It really was a win to show people just how corrupt the judicial system has become.
That was trivial compared to what we're talking about now and compared to what happened with Congressman Stockman.
That's a whole other story.
So I got off easy, but nevertheless, it was something.
But anyway, that paved the way, too.
I mean, all these little things that happen, everybody's like, oh, well, like the appellate court said in that case, like, well, you know, if you associate with the Klan, well, you deserve what's coming to you.
But the association with the Klan was with Sam Dixon.
Somehow they went through the middle gymnastics of that.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
But people are like, well, it's a Klan.
Well, it's the Nazis.
Who cares?
I mean, they don't have rights anyway.
And now you see it applying to, you know, what they would call real people, Republicans.
Hold on, let's let Sam.
I didn't mean to get off on this tangent.
I apologize.
But Sam.
Since we're here, they went outside the evidence, as I understand it, to say that he associates with Sam Dixon, who's a member of the Klan.
To use the phrase that people used to use in the House Committee investigation of the Congress, I am not members and never have been a member of the Klan.
You know, I did what lawyers are supposed to do.
Lawyers are supposed to defend unpopular people.
We defend rapists.
We defend people accused of child molestation.
We accuse him.
That's our job.
And I did defend members of the Klan, and I won most of the cases, including cases in front of racially mixed juries, which shows just how trumped up and phony these cases were that were being concocted by a wing of the GBI created at the behest of the anti-defamation league for the express purpose of railroading people into jail, the so-called anti-terrorism unit.
But anyway, yeah, but I must say before we leave this topic, I don't want to blow my own horn, but who was it, James, that told you and your young, brilliant lawyer, Kyle Bristow, that it would be impossible for James Edwards to sue a major newspaper in Michigan under any fact and win his case.
Who was that guy?
Hey, Sam, let me tell you something.
He's Alexander.
Not only do I remember who it was, I remember where we were.
We were in Dallas, Texas at a conference, and you told me that.
And I was like, yeah, but it's just so open and shut.
It's so clear.
I told him nothing is open and shut in the court system that we have now.
You can't take precedent.
You've never been.
You're optimistic.
Keith, you're an optimist.
I'll tell a quick story.
We've done for hours.
I love most of our time.
But I knew a lady who had been an early female lawyer in Georgia before the troublemakers went to go to court, when it went to law school.
But she told me when she opened, when she left the DA's office and went out on her own, somebody came to her who had been libeled by the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
And she was excited.
And so she met an old lawyer named Hugh Dorsey for lunch, who's kind of a mentor.
And she told me, I've got this great case.
The Atlanta Journal has libeled this guy.
We're going to sue.
And he looked at her and said, Sarah, before you do that, come back with me to my office and look in the case citator, which is a book where they list cases by name.
And they went back and she said he showed me about 100 cases that have been decided in the appeals courts involving the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
And if the people suing the newspaper won at the trial level, it was affirmed by the appellate courts.
If they lost to the trial level, it was affirmed by the appellate court.
No one had ever succeeded in suing the Atlanta papers because the courts should not protect the Atlanta papers.
So she said, she was a liberal, but she admitted to me that she had learned a lot of things from people like that, that the world was not the way she thought it was in civics class.
Well, I got to tell you, pardon the indulgence here, Augustus and everyone listening, but before Keith even knew I was considering this, I consulted with Sam because we were in Dallas and Kyle Bristow just happened to be at that meeting and I knew that he was an attorney in Michigan.
And so I brought up the case.
He said, no, we'll win this.
And no one could have argued it better than Kyle.
His work was just, I'm a layman, but I know Sam.
He's brilliant.
Let me just say this about when you embark on this type of litigation.
You better be ready to go all the way.
And a perfect cautionary tale for it is Brown versus Board of Education.
If they had not appealed, the left had not appealed the Brown case.
Well, it's easy when the Brown case would have been a good citation to support racial segregation.
Well, in any event, when you know you've got it, you take it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Big difference is they knew they had the Supreme Court in their hand, and we don't.
So there's a big difference there.
But anyway, just quickly, I remember Sam telling me that I wasn't going to win.
And I said, this is the law.
This is the precedent.
Kyle Bristow said, yeah, this is the restatement of torts.
And, you know, and I obviously Sam is infinitely smarter than I.
So when I said, you know, Sam, I'm going to prove you wrong on this.
I wanted to prove him wrong to restore his hope.
But instead, my hope was eviscerated.
And now I am exactly where Sam is on.
You can't do it unless you've got like a million-dollar war chest, basically, to go all the way through.
We did that.
I mean, Kyle did that pro bono.
So, I mean, he just did that just to because anyway.
But anyway, all right.
So, Augustus, my apologies to everyone.
But this that you wrote about the Trump verdict.
Let's pick up there and join this conversation in progress.
Your take on what happened in Manhattan 10 days ago.
My take.
Well, I think I've gotten a very unoriginal take.
I think, like you said, it just proves that we're in a banana republic.
This is obviously politically motivated.
You know, the guy is facing, what, hundreds of felony charges, has never had a criminal charge in his life, and now he's running for president, has got all these charges, and then gets convicted on 34 felony counts of some, you know, legal mumbo jumbo that nobody can really explain.
I mean, it's obviously a setup.
I really don't know if I have anything original to say about that.
I think everybody's on the same page about this.
Everybody right of Karl Marx, that is.
The big thing that strikes me about things is how expensive it has become to protect your rights in the courts.
All right, let me ask you this.
Yes.
I mean, how many, you know, there was a Peter Thiel made a comment about this when he funded Hulk Hogan's lawsuit.
And he was like, you know, if you're a single-digit millionaire, you can't even afford a legal defense for your family.
And people got so mad at him for even, you know, talking about single-digit millionaires like they're poor people.
But when you think about it, like, it really does take a deck of millionaire to successfully defend himself and his family in a lawsuit like this.
And nobody's richer than Donald Trump, and he couldn't defend himself successfully.
Of course, the jury said we've got to go through the appellate process, but, you know, James couldn't.
Well, we'd afford to go into the appellate process.
Well, we went to the appellate process.
The only place we didn't go to was the Michigan Supreme Court.
When you'd been so thoroughly routed on the other levels, and then when you are facing potential sanctions, it's just you're not going to win.
They're not even going to take the case.
But this situation where you have in New York, 94% of people in Manhattan voted against Trump.
Sam?
Right.
Right.
This is a very important thing that I guess this I think will relate to.
And that is when I was in law school, I was a far more cynical law student than most of my friends.
But even I didn't grasp how the system works.
Because of the expense of this stuff and the emotional strain of it, the process itself is the punishment.
Even in the unlikely event you win, you usually cannot recover attorneys and you're exhausted.
And I remember very clearly, Augustus will remember this case because it's in all the constitutional law books where the Jehovah's Witnesses, the city of Driffin, Georgia, passed an ordinance basically to stop Jehovah's Witnesses from going door to door and handing out their pamphlets attacking mainstream churches.
And all the Baptists and Catholics and Presbyterians are all happy about this, Episcopalians.
They're going to stop these people.
And so the decision you read in law school is this ringing decision from the Supreme Court.
I mean, it's from like Kingdom Hall versus City of Griffin.
And it just lays the law down.
No, the Jehovah's Witnesses have a right under the Second Amendment, freedom of religion, and all that.
What you forget is that the Jehovah's Witnesses lost to every court all the way up to Supreme Court.
It would take $800,000 to care that.
Hold on right there.
Hold on right there, Sam.
We're not going to take any more breaks this hour.
So Sam Dixon and Augustus Invictus can make sense of this for us to the extent that sense can be made of it.
We'll be right back.
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All right, no more breaks this hour.
We're going to go all the way to the wall with attorneys Sam Dixon, Augustus Invictus, and of course my co-host Keith Alexander.
Augustus, I want to toss it back to you with this, an excerpt from a very well-written piece by Gregory Hood at American Renaissance.
And this is what he writes.
Our rulers do on some level believe their own propaganda and have convinced themselves that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy.
Therefore, they are shredding basic assumptions about the rule of law and the legitimacy of government in order to destroy him.
They do not want President Trump defeated.
They want to confiscate his wealth, disgrace his family, and send him to jail.
The case itself was essentially about a bookkeeping era.
We read a little bit from Paul Craig Roberts about this in the first hour with Congressman King and Stockman.
But this just gets to show how trivial this all was and how, again, part of the pun trumped up it all was Gregory Hood writing, the case itself was essentially about a bookkeeping era, and even that is debatable.
Attorney Alvin Bragg, who was indulgent towards career criminals, brought 34 counts against Donald Trump that could theoretically lead to 136 years in prison.
The argument is that Donald Trump misclassified a hush money payment, quote unquote, to Stormy Daniels as not a campaign contribution, and that was fraud.
Incredibly, prosecutors and the judge decided the jury did not need to know what underlying crime was furthered by this supposed misclassification.
Furthermore, a state has never, ever brought charges on violation of a federal law.
The judge in this case, Juan Merchan, violated state ethics laws by making modest donations to President Joe Biden and Democrats and a group called Stop Republicans, but he was left off without a warning, unlike Mr. Trump.
And I think, Augustus, what this proves is what we always say: in blue state America, the only thing that matters is whose side you're on, but they're getting away with it.
And if they can stop the president and the frontrunner, what is going to happen to the rest of us after this?
Right.
If they can get Donald Trump, they can get anybody, right?
So I actually read that article.
I didn't realize that Mr. Hood wrote that.
I read his book, Waking Up from the American Dream.
So that explains why that was such a good article.
But you had said something right before the break about, you know, Manhattan, 94% of them voted against Trump in the election.
Like, the same thing is true of D.C.
I think it's 93% of the country.
And Fort County, Sam's area.
Right.
Not in the 90s.
Yeah, maybe not that high.
In the J6 cases, you know, you've got all these people where they wish to God they could switch venue to West Virginia or anything, anything other than D.C. where everybody voted against Trump.
But the whole thing is rigged against you.
They walked into a trap when by coming by being drawn into D.C., they walked into a trap.
Right.
Well, I mean, you could say the same thing about Charlottesville, right?
And we all, right, we all went to this rally in Charlottesville, and now seven years later, we're all facing trial.
The first one went to trial this week, facing trial for going on a torch march.
And now you've been charged with basically terrorizing the entire town.
Everybody's intimidated seven years later.
Anywhere you go where it's a majority blue situation, yeah, you're looking at that.
And the crazy thing about it is that all of these people are attacking Trump right now.
How dare he question the legitimacy of our courts?
How dare he attack the legal profession and the judges?
And this is what the left has been doing for, what, 50, 60 years?
70 years.
Right.
So the whole judicial system is racist.
It's all rigged against people of color.
The entire thing is corrupt.
Police are out of control.
And I actually, I agree with a lot of that.
Like, they are out of control.
It is a police state.
But at the same time, you can't go for, like you said, 70 years saying we have a broken judicial process.
And then, you know, you get your guy, Trump, and all of a sudden, well, the judicial system is sacrosanct.
It's just like the people who were all, you know, defund the police.
We hate cops.
They're all racist.
But as soon as they defend the Capitol on January 6th, all of a sudden, we need to glorify cops.
Now we have hero worship of these cops who are at J6.
So it's a completely brazen hypocrisy these people are engaged in.
You get on that.
Don't you, Keith?
I mean, here's one from Archbishops Charles Shaput.
Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
But that's cliche, but you want to see how things have changed.
Look at the way that the demonstrators are portrayed on PBS and, you know, eyes on the prize and whatnot, righteous and holy.
Of course, the difference between us and the civil rights demonstrators is that we have no national lawyers.
The system behind them, even we have no NAACP legal defense fund.
They were lawyered up to the max all the time.
Well, they had the federal government, the courts, the media.
They had every part of the industry.
And their adversaries were fair-minded people, principled, who would follow the law.
Like Drew Lackey, who we've interviewed on this program, who was the gentleman pictured in the iconic photo booking Rosa Parks.
Sam, your response to what you just heard from Augustus Invictus.
Well, I think he's absolutely right.
And you see things like the fact that let's lose sight of the most obvious things in sifting these things.
Biden, the laptop, you know, this business of indicting Trump for trying to influence an election, every politician, everybody tries to put a good faith on himself.
And politicians always want to emphasize the good things in their resume and downplay the others.
To turn this into a crime is simply an absurdity.
I don't know that there's enough evidence to indict Stormy Daniels, but it's not a crime to pay somebody, to shut up.
It's a crime to blackmail somebody into making you pay you and paying you hush money if you know something about them.
That's a crime.
But you look at Biden and the Hunter Biden laptop.
They got 51 FBI agents and CIA agents.
It shows you the kind of filth that works for the FBI and CIA.
They got them to sign this statement that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian propaganda.
And the debate, the last debate with Trump, Biden was asked about the laptop, and he knew full well that the laptop was legitimate.
His campaign had put together the phony statement by the phony FBI and CIA agents.
He looked at the camera in the eye and said it's Russian intelligence.
He lied about it.
So if Trump is to be indicted for trying to keep this alleged affair out of the media, well, you know, Biden said at the commission, this shows that no one is above the law.
No, that's not true.
It shows that Biden will use the law, he and his friends, to indict someone else while he is above the law.
I'm waiting with bated breath to find out when these 56 or some odd people in the FBI and the Department of Justice who backed the idea that this was a product of Russian intelligence, when they get prosecuted, then, you know, I'll eat my hat.
All right, let me say this.
Let me say this.
And I did say this to you, Sam, and to some others last week via email.
I watched the coverage of the verdict with absolute contempt and disgust.
And this is a guy who, you know, this is what I do.
I mean, the last almost decade now has been the Trumpian era.
So we've covered all the ups and downs every week.
And so it's not just a trivial observance, but I had a visceral reaction to this.
And it led me to wonder what the typical, what the reaction from the typical MAGA types must be feeling.
Because what it showed me, though, James, is that how I do not want to be part of a nation that includes the jury pool of New York City?
That's a key takeaway.
But what I was saying was, in spite of all of Trump's shortcomings, this verdict made me positively eager to vote for him.
And I haven't felt that way since 2016.
So, yes, Augustus, to you.
Well, the sentencing is scheduled for July 11th.
Sam, you said something, God, it had to be a year and a half ago, Christmas before last, before any of this was even on the radar for the regular public.
You said on a New Year's Eve show, it was just after Christmas, year before last.
So not last Christmas, but the Christmas before that, you said Trump is going to prison.
I said, come on, Sam, that's too much.
He will go to prison.
Do you believe that he's going to be, what do you think is going to happen, Augustus, on July 11th?
I don't know.
I mean, they've gone far enough.
I mean, why not put him in prison?
But at the same time, they have to know that there will be riots.
And I don't mean like January 6th.
I mean, like, real riots.
But will there be?
I don't know.
I'm not convinced that our people are so docile, so content.
I wish there might be.
It's just too much, man.
You know, in all these third world countries, which is the way we're going, there is violent opposition to these sorts of tyrannical decisions.
People are menly coming.
Those people are still manly people.
American white people never riot.
You had riots after the George Floyd thing.
When you had O.J. Simpson acquitted, did you read about white people rioting all over America?
No.
White people are not going to riot, but they are getting fed up.
And when the money runs out, the drug will be gone.
The pacifier will be out of the mouth.
And we may eventually get it.
That's it.
Well, there needs to be some type of kind of secret secession of the heart where people say, I'm just not going to obey these laws anymore.
What it is, is, you know, it's like T.S. Eliot's famous poem, The Hollow Men.
This is the way the world will end, not with a bang, but a whimper.
I'm hoping that he's not a prophet regarding the future of America, but I'm not so sure.
You're both on to something here, though.
You're both on to something here because I asked what the regular MAGA type must be feeling.
And I got a little bit of an insight into that when my father came over to visit a few days ago.
He came over to visit the kids, and my mom and dad came over.
My dad's a reasonable guy.
He was a Buchanan supporter in 92 and 96.
And that's really kind of laid the foundation for everything that would come in my life.
Thank God he wasn't a Dan Quell supporter.
I guess, I don't know, maybe I would have had some money if I could have made some money.
But no, he's a right-winger, but he still voted for Dole and for Bush in the general elections and all of that.
But he came over the other day and he said, Trump has got balls of steel.
And yeah, I said, you know, after the verdict came down, there's no doubt about that.
I mean, he's been put on more than anybody I've ever heard.
I don't know of anyone that would have put up with this type of hectoring that we're folded other than him.
That's not the takeaway.
The takeaway was what he said next.
The takeaway was he said, I would die for Trump.
I said, Dad, hold on, dial it back here.
Dial it back here just a minute, Dad.
But I think what he's saying is what he was meaning was, it's not about Trump.
It's about what this means, what this means for the system, what this means for everything.
If they get him, they'll run through us like hot, you know, knife through hot butter.
They already will run through us like hot chase.
There is no justice in America.
It has been this way for a long, long time.
It's been this way for 150, 170 years.
And it's wonderful that people are catching on to it.
And like Augustus is saying, they're no longer viewing the courts as sacrosanct.
I observed the same thing you talked about.
And National Public Radio the day after the converdict, they had a panel of these law school deans and journalists, and they were talking about how terrible it was that Trump and the right, the far right, are impugning our wonderful judicial system, the fairest system in the world.
And they're criticizing the judge.
And then 90 seconds later, all of them started criticizing the judge in Florida because he's a Trump appointed.
Exactly.
Augustus, you the word hypocrisy for this.
There has to be another word.
This is beyond hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy involves sort of secretly hiding your vices and pretending to be virtuous.
This is just something where they showed their ass to anyone listening to the radio.
Well, I've got a lot of double speak in 1984, where everything you say actually means the opposite.
Well, I would say this very quickly, just to interject this in one more time with regards to the anecdote from my father, is that, yes, I mean, Sam, you're obviously right.
White people are so docile, they're just not, it's inconceivable to believe that even if they put Trump in prison next month or with one of the subsequent trials, that you're going to see any sort of like George Floyd-like reaction to that.
But what is real is that the base is ready to go.
And I do believe my dad when he said he would die on that hill because of what it means.
And if it's, I think what they'll have to do is suffer a little more first and become more uncomfortable before they'll take that last full measure.
But I think in their hearts, they are ready, but they're still a little bit too comfortable.
And so you're threatening that needle a little bit.
But there is a level of discontent, something boiling beneath the surface here that is a very real energy.
How it becomes unleashed or if it becomes unleashed, it remains to be seen.
But I think we may be closer to that than we feel.
As Dorothy told Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore.
I'll just suspect that.
You know, from a white perspective here, you know, seven years ago when Charlottesville happened, everybody was outraged at all these Nazis and the Klan and how could they be so violent.
And then J6 happened.
And now everybody's like, wait, hold on a second.
So, you know, so the government isn't telling the truth all the time.
The media is lying.
The cops are out of control.
Like, hold on a second.
So now, all this time later, you know, Jacob Dix goes on trial in Charlottesville this past week.
And everybody across the board is like, hold on a second.
What do you mean you're charging them for marching with a tiki torch?
What the hell communist nonsense is this?
Even people on the center right are saying this is an absurd case.
Whereas seven years ago, everybody like, no, screw those Nazis, put them in prison.
So I think there has been a massive shift in the Overton window, or at least a massive awakening to the corruption in the courts.
I'm glad you brought that up because let's ask Sam about that, because I know Sam's take on the court.
It's a take that I didn't share in 2016, but one that I certainly share now.
Sam, were you surprised to find, and the jury was polled in that Jacob Dix case, eight not guilty, three guilty, one undecided.
Were you surprised?
I think what happened is that area of Virginia voted three to one for Biden over Trump.
But what you've got there is you've got wasps.
You don't have the kind of human sewage that you've got in Manhattan.
And so there was some degree of fairness to them.
But a larger scale thing, which we can deal with at another time, all of us can discuss this other time, is there are ways to sabotage the system short of rioting and civil war.
If people just stop believing FBI agents and CIA agents and not believing them testifying under oath, and then going to court the minute you hear, the witness works the FBI, you know what he is, and you don't believe a word he says.
Yeah, there are ways like Gandhi had in India, civil disobedience.
There are ways to bring this system to its knees without violence.
When Crumble took over England, and my sympathies, by the way, for anyone that's a historical obscurity, as a presbyterian, my sympathies were with Parliament and not the king.
But when the Puritans took over, they made it a death sentence for a man and a woman to have heterosexual sex outside of marriage.
They enacted the Leviticus Code.
In the entire 10 years that Puritans ran England, they were never able to get a jury to convict anybody accused of having an affair because the jury knew this guy or this woman is going to be put to death.
And I'm not in favor of extramarital sex.
And I'm not willing to have this person put to death because he has an affair.
So the jury they signed me to Crumble.
And there are ways to do this thing.
And in red states, they make a lot of mischief by just saying.
Well, I mean, you've got it already.
I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you know, I talked about this at my talk at Amrin last year.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, state legislatures in state legislators in Texas, the situation going on with Idaho and Oregon.
I mean, you have nascent secessionist movements.
Jared Taylor wrote this week: 80 million Americans are going to vote for Trump in the teeth of the most vicious denigration campaign in American history, and he could even win.
If there was ever a crevasse down the middle of America, this is it.
And that's the question, Augustus.
Does this end in America breaking apart or our subjugation?
Because it's going to be one of the two.
I can't believe in our subjugation, man.
I was as cynical as we may be, as realistic as we may be, I just can't believe in that.
I have to believe that we are going to win.
As far as breaking down the middle, I don't know if I believe that either.
Maybe we're balkanized.
Maybe it's all going to be a war of all the games told.
But as far as us being in subjection and subjugation, rather, I just, I cannot believe that.
There's just no way.
And I think Trump is the same way.
And I think that's why he's the symbol of America right now, because despite the entire system being against this guy, he's the symbol of what it means to be American.
He's never surrendered.
I think, again, that's what got my dad so animated: that talk of spirit against all of this, all of this injustice.
Say what you will about his shortcomings, say what you will, pro or con about Trump.
It's not even about that.
It's not even about him.
It's about the big picture.
And he's just the one in the crosshairs right now.
But, Sam, you've certainly got a lot of people.
Go ahead.
You know, there's a lot of reasons to be mad at him.
I know a lot of my friends who are just outright white nationalists who just hate Trump because, you know, all the things he said he was going to do and he never did it.
The wall, turning on people after Charlottesville, like everybody's furious about that.
But at the same time, like if you turn on him now, after everything the system has, like they always say, that an old American proverb, he's got all the right enemies.
And if you are going to walk away from that now when he's the symbol of everything wrong with America, then you're just giving up.
I fall back.
I'm going to vote for Trump.
I will vote for Trump, and I'd like to put a word in to support those people.
I heard Lauren Blaylaw gave a very impressive talk at James's 20th anniversary celebration in Greenville.
I did not know these things, but Trump, when he ran against Buchanan, was like Hillary Clinton.
Trump is a fascist.
He is a Nazi.
Trump was the Reform Party denomination.
Trump was for abortion.
He attacked the county.
And when he ran against Biden last time, he spent his money running ads and telling the debate that he had freed more black people from jail than Biden had ever dreamed of, that he was going to empty the jails.
So we have to, let's be realistic.
Trump is not on our side.
Trump is not dependable.
I'm still going to vote for him.
I'm glad he's radicalizing America, but our solution, our salvation lies 10 or 15 years out in the future when people, people like you and James Edwards, take over the country.
That's where our salvation lies.
Let me say this.
Excuse me.
Well, I just say, like, right.
Go ahead.
We got two minutes, Keith.
Okay, all I wanted to say is that what that shows about what Trump was arguing about, he did more for black people than anyone else.
We've got to desanctify and demystify the civil rights movement.
That was really when the left gained traction and they've been an unstoppable juggernaut ever since.
Augustus?
Yeah, it's been morally indefensible, right, to go against that.
But what I was going to say is you likened Trump to Kavanaugh, right?
When Kavanaugh was being nominated for the Supreme Court, I didn't like Kavanaugh.
I didn't like him.
But when the left came after him with this hashtag MeTooNonsense and made up all this malarkey about him, it's like, well, now I have to support Kavanaugh.
Now I have to like the guy and I have to support his nomination because we can't let the left do this and give this heckler's vote.
I mean, he's been all right since.
I mean, maybe I misjudged him a little, but at the time, I was like, I don't care what his positions are now.
He's the symbol of we've got to get this guy on the Supreme Court because the left cannot get away with this.
And I feel the same way about Trump.
Like, no matter what.
I've talked about this for years.
The inadvertent assist, the inadvertent assists that he didn't intend to do has taken us far further than all of our collective could have ever done.
Sam?
We have to look to ourselves for liberation.
We cannot look to Trump for liberation.
Or Kavanaugh.
We cannot lose sight of that.
As for Kavanaugh, again, we often lose sight of the obvious.
But the whole thing about Kavanaugh, that he wasn't, he's a 53-year-old man, married man with children.
And he was supposed to be morally unfit to be on the Supreme Court because when he was an 11th grader, he tried to have sex with a girl in his high school.
I mean, for peace sakes.
Well, they did the same thing.
They did the same thing effectively to Roy Moore.
I'm a Presbyterian.
I have very puritanical views on sex.
But I know that virtually every 11th grader has sex.
And the idea that you judge a 53-year-old man based on the fact that he was drunk, he tried to get sex.
This is just absurd.
It's beyond description.
And then the next day, those same people who are so morally appalled by that are promoting transgenderism.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Hey, Augustus, give us your contact information.
People need a good attorney in Florida.
How do they get it?
Yes, sir.
I'm at InvictusPA at ProtonMail.com, and I'm on Twitter or X at Emperor Invictus.
Pretty easy to find.
All right.
Emperor Invictus, and certainly you are.
Thank you for being on with us tonight.
Sam Dixon's going to stick around for our third hour conversation.
We're going to shift gears and talk about Russian history with our friends at Antelope Hill Publishing.
Taylor Young will be with us along with Sam Dixon.