Nov. 11, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, welcome, one and all, to tonight's live broadcast of TPC.
I'm your host, James Edwards, along with Keith Alexander.
This Saturday evening, November the 11th, we had our last remote broadcast of the year last weekend.
What a fun show that was back in the studio tonight with none other than our dear friend, Nick Griffin, our favorite former member of the European Parliament, as he always does when he's on the program, staying up late, burning that midnight oil in the UK as we continue our comprehensive coverage of the unrest in the Middle East that has certainly dominated our program over the course of the last month and change.
And to offer his insights and opinions from his perch in our ancestral homelands, we welcome back now to the program former MEP Nick Griffin.
Nick, how are you tonight?
Fine.
Thank you, James.
It's a pleasure to be with you again.
Always is, my friend.
Always is to have you.
So from your perspective over there across the pond, how are things looking when you look down on Israel and Gaza?
What does the European take on these things?
What does the man in the street say about it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The man in the streets, most of them are appalled by the violence.
They think that both sides are equally to blame.
Initially, they thought that Hamas were the worst thing since bad cheap white sliced bread.
And now they think that the Israelis are going overboard and it's all wrong and we shouldn't really have anything to do with this.
Then in the more political people, overwhelmingly on the left, there's huge sympathy for the Palestinians, which is becoming increasingly awake, not woke, awake as to the fact that there's bigger and longer term things behind this.
And they're understanding that, yes, Zionism isn't just a political thing.
There's a religious and racial hatred against other peoples there as well.
On the right, it's divided between people such as myself and the beer-drinking, football-loving, patriotic morons who are saying, oh, the more of these ragheads that the Jews kill, the better.
Isn't it all wonderful?
But I don't know how the numbers are, but certainly in terms of the thinking people online and so on, the majority, I would say, understand that Israel is not the innocent party in this by any means.
But on the other hand, of course, we've got every single one of the people who are on the Zionist payroll.
Every single one of them has been rolled out.
It's very interesting to see people who've apparently been saying exactly the same as we have, for all good reasons, for the last three or four years.
And they've been built up by the sort of the semi-alternative media as really big fish and important and decent people.
And all of a sudden, they're now being exposed just as Zionist shells.
So it's a mixed bag into what the man on the street is thinking.
The final thing before I hand back to you, I'd say that I'm astounded.
It's another one.
We're very fortunate, I think, James and Keith, to be the generation who are seeing these fantastic, incredible historic changes in such a short space of time on thing after thing.
You know, COVID, you know, as just one example, now this.
And I would say that October 2023 is going to go down in history as the month in which the Israeli copyright and the Jewish copyright on the words genocide and holocaust expired.
Amen.
Hey, that's a profound remark right there, Nick Keith.
Well, it sounds better than what's happening over here.
The Republicans all depend on Jewish money to get elected, like our new Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
largest contributor to his last election campaign was APAC, American Israeli Political Action Committee.
And it's everywhere.
It's really depressing if you're a person of a conservative turn of mind in America to listen to the Republican debates.
Because, I mean, they're just all totally in the tank for Israel.
On the other hand, the liberals, Democrats, who basically were the nesting grounds for Jewish power and influence in America, the Jews among them are kind of that they are appalled.
But what has happened is they've been bitten by, they've been hoisted on their own petard, as Shakespeare said, because they've brought in all of these Muslim refugees to America, you know, displaced by those wars that were created by the clean break memorandum of Paul Wolfwitz to change the leadership of all the Arab nations around Israel.
Well, those people have come here and they're hopping mad.
They're the ones that are, you know, they've been beneficiaries of affirmative action to the selective colleges and universities like Harvard and Yale and whatnot.
And that's why you're getting all of that, those demonstrations there.
And the Democrats just don't know what to do because, you know, if they lost the support of all of those, their coalition of the fringes, those other minorities, they couldn't win an election except, you know, I don't want to be naive.
I think they basically haven't won an election in a long time.
They've just professed to be able to.
To Keith's point, all of the diversity has certainly sort of muddied the waters of what would normally happen in a situation like this, which would be both sides of the Duopoly in Washington would be totally in the tank for Israel.
But you're seeing a lot of pushback, not just on the streets, but in the global media as well, if not here.
Yeah, it's very much the same in Britain in the mainstream.
You've got the Labour Party, in effect you're Democrats, are tearing themselves apart over this with the MPs whose seats most rely on, especially the Pakistani vote, breaking ranks and saying we've got to condemn Israel.
And the completely, well, Keir Starmer, the Labour Party leader, he's married to a Jewish lady, and so he's in the bag anyway, and he wants the media on his side.
The Conservatives, of course, are bought and paid for with the same people and are in government.
And I haven't heard of one Tory who's rocking the boat on this.
Their problem is rather different in that Rishi Sunak, our Indian Prime Minister, not elected by the British people, he was elected by a minority of the Conservative Party membership, about 200,000 people.
And he's got another Indian, Sola Braverman, who wants his job.
And she happens also to be married to a staunch Zionist who's got family members in the so-called Israeli Defense Force.
And she's rocking the boat and winding things up.
She referred to the pro-Gaza peace march, which we had in London today.
Something, probably not half a million people on it.
Lots of Brits included, but lots and lots of ethnic minorities.
She referred to that in advance as a hate march and was pressing the police constable, the police chief of London to ban it.
So she's gone out of the limb in the hope that there'd be a huge riot and then she'd be vindicated.
She'd get the job.
That's what we call over here.
That's what we call over here, Nick, the Jewish exception to the First Amendment.
Yes, yes, indeed.
Just to sum that up, they're all squabbling over it.
It looks extremely indecent, and it's drawing the public's attention to the fact that there's something deeply wrong here, and they're not being told the truth.
I can tell you from my Twitter feed has gone mad in the last 10 days, especially.
And I've got so many Muslims from various backgrounds saying, well, I'm absolutely stunned here because Nick Griffin's the only person in British politics is talking since.
Well, you've seen that.
But this actually brings me to another question.
I'm glad you said that.
And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, check out the most recent edition of the American Free Press.
Check my column, which appears in each edition.
It's a Q ⁇ A with the very man we're speaking with right now live on the radio, Nick Griffin.
And it was fantastic.
The editors liked it so much.
They previewed it on the front cover.
And you'll find that in this most recent edition.
It's a perfect compliment to the spoken interview we're having right now.
But yeah, so back to the situation with, you know, where should we be?
Because you look back at a little more than a month ago, and the Republicans here in the United States were ousting the House Speaker, Mike McCarthy, purportedly, over the fact that he wanted to fund the war in Ukraine.
So they went from anti-war in about a nanosecond to being the most hawkish group of people they could as soon as the Israel lobby pulled that leash a little bit.
And you've got now Mike Johnson as the House Speaker, this sort of no-name, low-profile Republican from Louisiana.
Christian fundamentalist, Zionist type of guy.
He's got a black kid, you know, all of that.
But House Republicans voted to stand with Israel no matter the cost, spent $14.3 billion to send to Israel to fight anti-Semitism, so-called, that's just basically disagreement with a Jewish person on college campuses, authorize a war with Iran.
You had Representative Brian Mast, a Republican from Florida, show up to work in Congress wearing an IDF uniform.
So it's like all Israel all the time on the floor of Congress for a month now.
And that brings the question because, I mean, obviously we know the problems of Jewish power and influence on our societies.
But that doesn't mean necessarily that the other side, we've talked about this, I think, every show in the last month, that the, you know, long-standing enemies of Western culture, the Muslims, or our friends either, where should white Christians be standing right now?
It's a difficult thing.
I'm totally on the sidelines.
Well, you do have some sympathy, though, if you have any humanity.
I said this last week.
You've got to have some sympathy for some of these videos you're seeing of this indiscriminate bombing of these Palestinian kids.
But I mean, where should we be standing, Nick?
Well, my position as a British nationalist and American nationalist should take the same position is that we should keep our countries out of foreign wars.
Britain should fight for Britons only, for Britain only.
Americans should only fight for direct American interests.
That's the first thing.
Where that connects also with humanity, that's a very good thing.
It makes being a nationalist easier.
And here it clearly connects with humanity because even if all the stories of what Hamas did on the 7th of October were true, and they are not, but even if they were, it would not justify now the scale of retribution that they're inflicting on the people, the civilians of Gaza.
And the most basic understanding of the just war theory, which is from the heart of Christianity, medieval Christianity really, is that this is not a just war.
But on top of that, we've also got our own interests.
It's not in our interest that the Middle East should be torn apart still further so that we end up with millions more very angry Muslim refugees coming to our countries, which of course is the Netanyahu regime's aim, is to throw out not just the Gazans.
You know, their Erex-Israel map stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates and up, including most of Syria, all of Lebanon, and down to half of Saudi Arabia.
And they believe they're entitled to the whole lot because of their covenant with God, which, of course, they broke.
You know, that covenant, I'm sure, well, all you Christian listeners, I hope, will know that there was that covenant once.
It doesn't exist, partly because most of them are Khazars.
And even the others, they're the ones who crucified Christ.
They're the ones who said, his blood be upon us and our children.
They rejected.
They are no longer the chosen people of God.
The Christian church, we are the chosen people of God, and that's it.
They're the people who crucify Christ.
That's an end of it.
But coming back to our self-interest, it also isn't in geopolitically.
The world is moving from a unipolar world where the United States and its client regimes like the UK and Germany and so on dominated the entire world.
And that's going, and especially southern Americans should thank God for that.
So that's going, and we're going to have a multipolar world, which will have different rivalries and near jostlings and so on.
And there's going to be various polls.
There's going to be the Russian poll, the Chinese poll.
America will still be a serious nation.
But once it stops trying to be the policeman of the world, it'll be a better nation, I think.
That's by the by.
But there's also going to be an Islamic poll.
And what this war is doing is actually, and that's not necessarily good for the West.
But this war is actually managing to push the Sunni and the Shia together.
And the Shia are actually our natural allies.
And the Sunnis, well, we could have problems with them.
But pushing them together is another piece of insanity.
So if this war was to stop, or if we, the more white people, the more Christians take the right side, the more chance there is that those two parts of Islam will stay separate.
And in a multipolar world looking to the future, it's that bit better for us if the Muslims are not completely united.
For all these reasons, there's no doubt about it that Christians should be on the side of the Palestinians.
That's not to say on the side of Hamas.
Hamas, of course, was basically created, funded, and encouraged by the Netanyahu regime as a way of splitting up the Palestinians.
Hamas was used by Israel alongside ISIS and al-Qaeda against the Syrians not just that many years ago, with the help instantly of Barack Obama.
So these people, you don't have to support Hamas, but just because Hamas is at present the front line of this doesn't mean we've got to support Israel because Israel helped set them up in the first place.
Well, had it not been for Winston Churchill, we could have stayed gloriously isolationist as God intended us to do.
We're protected by two large moats called the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, and we have enough natural resources here where we can be totally self-sufficient without having to depend on anyone else.
Yeah, we didn't even need to the Atlantic.
The English Channel was enough for God called Churchill.
Of course, well, you know, Churchill would be very disappointed with our conversation on this.
Well, no, anyway, but Nick, I want to tell you, I think you gave one of the best assessments in the last five minutes that I've heard yet on this.
And again, that's why we certainly wanted to have you on.
Check out his ex or Twitter if you still prefer.
At Nick GriffinBU.
Am I getting that right?
Because I'm banned from there.
Yeah, it's still originally for British unity because someone else had Nick Griffin.
So it's Nick Griffin, B.U. You're absolutely right.
I'm also on Telegram, just at t.me forward slash Nick Griffin.
All right.
So here's another thing.
And we're skipping the floater breaks.
We're going to take the bottom of the hour break, but we want to take advantage of every minute we have with Nick tonight because this is just such a global affair that affects all of us in interconnected ways.
Let me ask you this.
This was something that we have talked about here in recent shows covering this topic, but the difference in the stand with Israel based upon age groups.
And here in the United States, in a most recent CNN poll, 81% of Americans aged 65 and older, 81% stand with Israel.
27% of Americans aged 18 to 34 stand with Israel.
So over 65, 81%.
18 to 34, 27%.
And that 27% would be the group that would be doing any sort of fighting if it ever gets to that point.
What do you make of those numbers?
That is stark, and that doesn't bode well for Israel going forward as far as American support is going to be concerned.
Well, the numbers are stark, and it's good news.
They're very similar in proportion to Britain.
The number of boomers who are in favor of Israel is, I don't know the exact figures, but I know it's less than the case in America.
And the number of young people who are in favor of Palestine is that bit higher.
That doesn't necessarily reflect very well, I'm sad to say, on the Indigenous Brits.
It's probably because of the fact that we've got far more Muslims than you have.
And most of them are young.
But nevertheless, they've got the vote.
All the political establishment have brought them in, and they said they're as British as we are.
So they can't now turn around and say, well, yeah, you were completely British before and you remain British when it comes to paying taxes, but we're not going to take any notice of you over our foreign affairs policies.
That's not going to fly, is it?
So here and in the States, they're in big, big trouble.
Of course, while that's good, I'm sure you and again, most of your listeners understand that in a so-called democracy, the numbers of voters don't really count very much.
It's who controls the media.
And, well, our media is not owned by Palestinians.
We just put it that way.
Well, I do want to ask you about that, too, though.
Well, and one interesting thing talking about the, and Keith mentioned this earlier, and you can't have this conversation without mentioning it, is that all of the bomb the world, invite the world thing is sort of, those chickens have sort of come home to roost now because you've got a lot of unrest here because you don't have a white Christian majority anymore that are running things and especially of the dispensationalist Christian Zionists.
That's something you don't have over in England.
You don't have these Christian fundamentalists that believe that he who blesses Israel is blessed and he who curses.
No.
There are some, but there are some.
They have no political power.
But there's still a general sort of feeling amongst ignorant, conservative Brits that, yeah, Israel, you know, they're the good guys.
It goes back to the Cold War.
The Israelis were on our side, and all the God Arabs were communists.
It goes back as far as that.
If you go back to an earlier British generation, still just about around, you get people who understand, wait a minute, it's not Arabs who killed British servicemen in their hundreds in the late 1940s.
It was Jewish terrorists.
So there's a little bit more of that in Britain.
And we are blessed not to have these crazy Christian Zionists.
Well, it's the thing I would ask them is, how did Christians and Christianity, how did the faith ever make it until 1948 when we had Israel to worship more than God?
Describing earlier about uh Jews originally being the chosen people and then became Christians.
That's what is typically known as replacement theology and that was the orthodox teaching of the Christian exactly for at least 19 centuries since the uh creation of Christianity, exactly.
It's not any bit of replacement theology, it's it's.
It's Christianity.
That's the end of it.
It's the Christian Zionist thing, which is a very recent in historical terms heresy, and of course, it's been had money poured into it.
The one thing you can say about the uh, the Jews, the Jews in general and the Zionists in particular, is that they do put their money where their mouth is and they do think ahead.
And they've been pushing the Christian Zionist thing for well, Showfield Bible onwards uh, and just as in recent years they've set they set about putting John Nelson derby, the one yep, and then more recently they've got all these um Ben Shapiro types, who've got the same types in Britain who they've been pushing relentlessly to try to make them leaders of conservative opinion, just so that when the time came and the time is when they want the war with Iran they flick the switch.
And these people who silly daft innocent, good-hearted Americans and Brits have, think they're speaking for them.
Well if, if Ben says that, if Tommy Robinson says that it must be true, jump over the cliff with the rest of the land.
I, I want to talk, uh I, I.
It's something you said in the in the in seconds ago.
We're going to cover when we come back from the bottom of the hour break another 30 minutes with Nick Griffin, but apparently right now at least, no place in the Republican Party here in America for anyone who objects to plunging into a huge new war with UH in the Middle East for the sake of Israel.
You know they banned uh, they censured one of the Muslim Democratic congresspersons just because she didn't want her people exterminated.
We don't really, you know, have a lot of sympathy for the Muslim fight, but we care even less for the puppets of APAC, and I do care about little kids being blown up.
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I will say again: if you are a subscriber to the American Free Press, check out the most recent issue.
It has a one-on-one QA with Nick about a wide variety of topics, including this one.
And I'm actually going to go to the website here in real time here: AmericanFreePress.net.
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That is for subscribers only.
But if you do subscribe, you can read it online as well.
And a lot of good stuff there.
Really enjoyed that.
Philip DeWinter is going to be the next featured guest in our QA there for AFP.
And we've already got that one in the bag as well.
So I'll tell you what, from one great European leader for our people to the next, we continue on with Nick Griffin right now.
And Nick, let's talk about this.
So you said before that what happened back in October is not everything, everything wasn't as it seems.
Paul Craig Roberts, who has been on this program several times, he is the former Secretary of the Treasury here during the Reagan administration back in the 80s, but also a professor at many renowned universities and totally with it on our issues.
We talked to Paul Craig Roberts earlier this year, but one of his most recent columns at Paul Craig Roberts at his website is the Israeli-Hamas conflict, a continuation of the 9-11 plot.
Basically, what he's saying is whether 9-11 happened as it was told or whether it was orchestrated, no matter how you slice it, it was allowed to happen.
And he said it was allowed to happen because it could get the neocons, who had complete control of the Bush administration, could use that as the pretext to get into a wider war in the Middle East to take out Israel's opponents.
And he's saying what's happened here is essentially the same thing.
So what he's calling a 9-11 there in Israel a few days ago was the fact that the alleged perpetrators were able to penetrate Israel by air, land, and sea simultaneously in spite of Israel's advanced surveillance systems and greatly advanced weaponry.
And the Air Force, these people were coming in on, Nick, as you know, they basically put like a motor in a backpack and kind of flew a few hundred yards.
I mean, this is their air force.
That all just happened?
They all just happened to be able to do that in spite of Israel's advanced technology.
I mean, what are we looking at here?
Well, I agree with the analysis that, no, this simply isn't possible.
I think I understand why in the States people are talking in terms of 9-11 because people understand that.
But actually, the more accurate simile is to go back to Pearl Harbor.
And Tyler Kent was telling the Americans that there was an attack coming.
And the American deep state government knew perfectly well what was about to happen.
And they left the fleet unawares so that a couple of thousand sailors would get killed.
And Americans would be so appalled they rushed to war.
So we've got the same thing here.
And the idea, as you say, that the IDF with their, not just the IDF actually, and the Israeli, the various secret services, Shinbet, the military intelligence, the Messiah, the wider intelligence, not just them, but also remember MI6 in Britain and the CIA, they have listening posts and things all over the world.
And the idea that none of them saw what was coming when the Egyptians said, well, we saw what was coming and we warned the Israelis.
And it now turns out that there were journalists embedded with Hamas shortly before the attacks.
The idea they didn't know is ludicrous.
It becomes even more ludicrous when they're saying, oh, we're targeting this hospital because we have intelligence that there's a Hamas cell working underneath it.
Well, isn't it strange their intelligence is good enough to know that when they've got to justify killing 600 civilians in a Christian hospital, but it wasn't good enough to spot what was coming.
So of course they knew what was coming and they let it happen because it was a good cause for war.
And we're not just talking about the war on Gaza and cleansing that.
What they really want, of course, you mentioned it, is a war in Iran, a very dangerous war.
So they let it happen.
It's also interesting, of course, that the kibbutz, which was most hard hit, was an extremely left-wing kibbutz, very, very critical of Netanyahu.
And remember that a couple of days before this, the Israeli reservists were on strike.
There were millions strong demonstrations against Netanyahu.
Talk about Israel going into civil war against Netanyahu.
And now all of a sudden you have this very convenient war and his position is safe.
So of course, it's not a false flag.
It was carried out by Hamas, the Islamist resistance movement encouraged by Netanyahu in the first place, carried out by them.
Undoubtedly, a significant number of Israelis were killed in pretty unpleasant circumstances.
But again, this farce doesn't justify what they're doing now.
I don't want to, right?
Because, I mean, that gets back to just war and rules of engagement.
You don't come back with a disproportionate amount of civilian casualties above and beyond many times what you suffered.
But this was, and we want, I don't want to say waste time, but we're not going to spend time while Nick is on the air reading some of these excerpts from this excellent article by Dr. Roberts.
But do you suppose, Nick, that, I mean, yes, I do believe that Hamas carried out the attack.
But do you suppose that there were people that had infiltrated that let them know when the defenses would be down and where?
I mean, how could they have known that?
I think that's probably likely.
It was guided in that regard.
But of course, you know, the loss of, what is it, 1,700 or 1,200 people, it's not much when you're a very sinister, very embattled politician.
It's one of those things.
And especially as they're probably your opponents.
You know, the concert which was shot up was of far-left pro-Jewish activists from all over the world there.
Every single one of those people would have hated Netanyahu, regarding him as a sort of fascist, so they get killed.
Really, would he have been too fussed?
I don't think so.
And just to look briefly at the actual facts of it, I think the figure now is 1,200 dead.
And they say, oh, 40 beheaded babies.
They wrote back on that.
It was one baby, possibly beheaded, definitely killed.
And what doesn't come out in the middle of the day.
How many Palestinian babies?
And how many Palestinians?
How many Palestinian babies?
No baby should be killed.
But certainly there wasn't a mass, gruesome beheading slaughter of Israeli babies.
There was 1,200 people killed, of whom a good third were serving soldiers, of whom many more are armed, in effect, settlers.
And the others, people who were blown apart and burned, as they've said, this is what Hamas did.
No, they didn't.
Hamas had assault rifles and small rocket-propelled grenades.
Those injuries were inflicted without a shadow of a doubt, as the Israelis themselves, Haretz, is saying it, even though our media won't tell us about it, that hundreds of those casualties were killed by Israeli soldiers just firing wildly in crossfire, by Israeli artillery, which was called in on the contested kibbutzis, and by Israeli helicopter gunships who just went in and blasted hell out of everything in the area, including fleeing civilians and, no doubt,
Hamas pickup trucks with hostages on them.
So it's a horrible slaughter, but it's not a horrible slaughter exclusively by Hamas, who are basically there as guerrillas fighting a sort of, in effect, a small-scale tet offensive operation against a massively more powerful and hideously oppressive regime.
They're entitled, they were entitled to self-defense.
They've been attacked.
It's just the same as the Russians in eastern Ukraine.
They've been attacked for years by this force, and they fight back.
I don't condemn what they don't.
I don't condone what they did, but I certainly am not prepared to condemn it.
That'd be hypocritical.
Well, Nick, this is Keith.
There's nothing new under the sun.
Everything that we're seeing, we've seen played out before.
For example, the beheaded babies is reminiscent of the Belgian babies being tossed in the air and used for bayonet practice, supposedly by the Huns and whatnot in World War I.
I think that the people that actually flew the 9-11 planes into the side of the building, like the Japanese pilots that attacked Pearl Harbor, were not in the know about what was going on, but it was a manipulation, and it had the intended purpose of starting a war in both situations.
And there are Jewish fingerprints all over this.
All the footprints go back to the Jewish campaign.
Well, there's no propaganda like war propaganda, am I right?
Absolutely so.
If you want to know where the propaganda gets laid on thick, it's going to happen in a situation like this.
Well, that brings me to a question.
I mean, could this heavy-handed response backfire on Israel?
It already has.
Like I said, it already has.
But is it already?
I mean, some people are already saying they've lost the narrative.
Yeah.
Yep.
They've lost their monopoly on copyright on the Holocaust and on genocide.
A couple of weeks ago, I started using the hashtag Gaza Genocide.
And I certainly hadn't seen it when I was looking.
I hadn't seen it before I started using it.
It's now trending.
So there we go.
It's a PR catastrophe for them.
But of course, they're in a bad position.
They're very close to their great adversary in the Middle East, Iran, being in nuclear power.
And the reason that countries have nuclear power is not to use their nuclear bombs.
It's, as you know, for mutually assured destruction.
And Israel has had illegal nuclear weapons for decades, thanks mainly to the USA.
And if the Iranians got it, it so levels the playing field that they couldn't dare to use them.
So they're in terrible trouble.
Internally, as I say, Netanyahu is facing almost a civil war.
Longer term, they've got the demographic problem that they've got millions of oppressed Palestinians clinging on in little ghettos in their area with the right to vote.
Not all of them, but some of them have.
So they've got to do something drastic.
And this is really almost a last roll of the dice, and they're going to pay a heavy price for it.
And they are already doing so in PR terms.
We're going to take a quick break.
I hear the music, Keith.
I very faintly hear the music, but I do hear it.
Well, I was going to ask Nick, think about this.
You're going to have to do it in position like an Israeli thing together, or is it just a net and y'all?
I'll be right back.
Think about it, or you can pipe it up, Liz.
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One more segment with Nick Griffin.
Never enough time with Nick.
Keith, I know you were eager to get a question in there before the break.
Let's have it now.
Okay, Nick, do you think this is a greater Israeli government operation to end all the talk about the two-state solution and stuff like that by doing away with one of the states and killing all the people?
Or was this a Netanyahu special where he was going to deal with his internal opponents politically by getting everybody to rally around the flag?
Interesting question, Keith.
Certainly, it's not all Jews.
You've got quite a few on the left, and you've got some of the Orthodox sects, the ones who say that you can't re-establish the state of Israel.
That's only the Messiah can do that when he comes back.
So the State of Israel is blasphemous.
We want to be ruled by Palestinians.
So you've got those people.
But overall, the drivers of this, of course, are Netanyahu and the Likud regime with their Greater Israel project.
Of course, they're in a coalition with even more crazy and dangerous religious right, utter Talmudist fanatics, pressing him to be even harsher against the Palestinians.
So that's going on.
And then the ordinary Israelis, including hundreds of thousands who a few weeks ago were prepared to go to war if necessary to stop Netanyahu doing what he was doing to their country.
I think a lot of them have now been whipped into line.
It's necessary to understand that the Israeli propaganda machine, we're not the only targets.
Ordinary Jews are the targets of this as well.
And of course, as you know, that people, they've got a paranoid streak in them.
So I think it's particularly done the trick.
The whole world's out to get us and the Palestinians will kill us all if we don't rally around Netanyahu.
So it's worked.
But no, it's quite complicated.
But it certainly goes, this isn't something that Netanyahu and his clique could have done if there wasn't this deep, deep hatred of the others running through the religious teachings of the Jewish population.
It's harsh to say, but let's face it, we've got Christian fundamentalist lunatics who believe in the rapture and all and Christian Zionism, all this nonsense.
They're mad and dangerous.
The Muslims have got crackpots, Wahhabis and so on coming out of their ears.
So why is it wrong or anti-Semitic to say that the Jews have got lots of religious crazes as well?
Because they sure as hell have.
Well, you know, Nick, of course, it's easy to get away with a lot if you've got, I can't remember who it was recently who was a guest on this program, but I asked.
I mean, America is basically Israel's golem.
You can do a lot when you've got the might of the United States behind you.
And even though the might of the United States may be waning in terms of military prowess and certainly economic prowess, but it's still a formidable foe to be able to call into any given war on your behalf for as long as it lasts.
But again, you were talking about this, and I agree.
The narrative, they have lost the narrative.
And I would ask you this just very quickly because there's so much I want to cover with you and we're beginning to run out of time.
But in terms of Israel losing the narrative, that is almost, that was something that a few years ago would have been unfathomable because of the stranglehold that they have on media, especially in the Western nations, the fact that they could be losing it now.
And a lot of that is due to social media, but not entirely.
Is global media, I mean, certainly it is portraying this differently than Western media, but how much so?
I think that their problems is saying social media stood as the crux of it, and especially the fact that Elon Musk, not perfect by any means, but he has restored a measure of freedom of speech on these issues to Twitterx, and that's hugely important.
So we shouldn't underestimate that.
On top of that, you've also got, even within the controlled mainstream media, you've now got a whole generation, and they've worked their way up the long march through the institutions quite a long way.
You've got a whole generation of over-educated, stupid, brainwashed left-wing Soros-style university kids who are now in middle management.
And they're being much more critical, even within organizations like the BBC and Sky and so on.
They're being more critical of Israel than would have been the case perhaps 20 years ago.
They're not telling the truth, but they're raising enough, they're showing enough pictures of Palestinian kids being dragged out of rubble and all the rest of it.
And they're showing enough of that to really unnerve the public.
And it's a very interesting thing to see.
And it's only going to get more so as this grinding, relentless ethnic cleansing operation goes ahead.
And now for the $64,000 question.
What about Russia and Putin and China?
Russia seems to, you know, Putin before was blaming those evil Anglo-Saxons for the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage and things like this.
But is he losing, is he going to drop the mask and come out against the Jews because of this?
Well, I don't think he'll come out.
I still don't think he'll come out against the Jews fully.
I've read and seen and heard that there's a significant number of Russian Jews who all other Russians regard as good Russian citizens with a different religion, the same way instantly.
They look at most of their Muslims.
So I don't think he's not going to do that.
But it's clearly in Russia's interest to have better relationships with the Arab world and the Third World and the Third World and the Arab world in particular are exclusively and 100% against Israel on this.
Even Saudi Arabia is now really getting quite tough on this.
So it's a card which Putin certainly will play for geopolitical reasons.
It's announced this week that the Russians are very close to having a naval base in Libya.
That means that they've moved from not having any presence at all in the Mediterranean to having a base on the far east of it and a base in the central south.
So it's not yet a Russian lake.
It's not an American lake anymore.
Right.
It's like a chess move.
When America moved that air carrier fleet in, then Putin brought in Russian ships and the Chinese brought in the war.
Yes.
Yeah.
The Chinese navy hasn't.
Go ahead.
You watch out.
Yeah.
The Chinese Navy hasn't been an adventurous foreign policy thing since about the year 1400.
So this is an astounding thing.
And what's even more remarkable, and it's something that Americans, especially, I guess your listeners are aware of it, but it's really dangerous.
We're talking about Pearl Harbor earlier on.
The American fleet, which includes a British contingent and all the rest, they're sailing them over to the eastern edge of the Mediterranean.
They're sailing them into the range of the ship-killing missiles that the Iranians have in huge and very sophisticated numbers.
And you've got that fleet isn't there to project American power.
That fleet is there to be obliterated at a moment's notice in order to drag Americans into a full-scale war.
It's a really, really dangerous thing.
America has aircraft carriers, which are the most vulnerable ships they could possibly have.
They're basically large fuel depots with the fire.
Floating coffins.
Yeah.
Well, let me ask you this, Nick, very quickly, because we're beginning to run out of time.
But what you and Keith are talking about here just is provocative in so much as, can you imagine a scenario in which Israel loses more than the narrative, which I think to a large degree they've already lost, which was again, I think, almost unimaginable just a few years ago.
But here you have now players as widespread as Yemen and even Turkey is sort of pushing back on this, pushing back against Israel.
Now, those aren't major players necessarily, but what you mentioned with regards to China and Russia, those are.
And you've got the situation here in the United States entirely unprecedented.
And you say, well, how is this germane?
Well, it's germane because the United States obviously plays such a presence in the Middle East at Israel's behest with the Israel lobby controlling so many of ours.
But you know, now the Chinese and the Russians are saying that if America, if you do put boots on the ground or if you support Israel in an attack of Iran, the other shoes are going to fall.
All right, but this is the question.
And that's true, Keith.
But the question, to bring it to a point, is you've got unprecedented situations unfolding in America.
The situation with Trump next year, it's a presidential election year.
He's probably going to prison.
That is absolutely unprecedented.
And you've got the situation with a very tenuous economy over here.
I think I read something this week where it's $20 to get a Big Mac in Connecticut now.
That's not good.
And you've got the situation with China and Taiwan.
And you've got all of this.
Could Israel lose more than the narrative?
That's the question.
I mean, could this be a lot more than that?
Can they lose American support?
Well, I don't think they'll lose American support, but America may well lose its capability to give that support because if this doesn't explode into World War III and get us all killed, it's going to drag on.
And that means that the American debt problem, which was it reached the other day, a trillion dollars in interest payments and rocketing.
It's utterly unsustainable.
And one reason that the whole Zionists push to get rid of the Palestinians now is because if they don't do it now, they're going to lose the capacity to do it because the minute America is actually seriously, genuinely bankrupt, financially ruined, and everyone knows it's ruined, she can't then literally afford to reject military power.
And Israel loses that huge umbrella.
So they're in terrible trouble.
They are going to lose.
They're on the wrong side of history.
The only question is whether they're going to introduce, to use the Samsung option and destroy the rest of the world while it happens.
That's the question.
That's the question with seconds remaining.
Does this balloon into a regional conflict or worse, your opinion?
It's going to balloon into a regional conflict.
It could very easily become Armageddon.
Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
So what's the advice?
That happy news.
We were out of time with that.
No, but seriously, Nick, what's for the people listening tonight, what should they be doing?
Pray.
Get on social media and take advantage of the fact there's millions of people.
It's the great noticing.
So throw yourself into loving your family, praying, but also the great noticing.
And just don't be too harsh about it, but just throw facts.
The USS Liberty, for instance, any American patriot who's equivocal or on the side of Israel, keep on hammering them with the USS Liberty, things like that.
And let's win this war to wake up our people.
Because once our people are awake, then all sorts of problems can be won.
That's right.
If I'm Christ and keep the faith and keep the hope, because, I mean, it is almost necessary in a way, Nick, because the status quo on that trajectory that has been the last 50 years, we have no future, Keith.
Well, as they told me when I was a schoolchild, we were having these nuclear fire drills.
Yeah, right.
Grab your ankles, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
No, it's not going to be that bad.
It's not going to be that bad.
But you do need to get right with Christ.
You do need to be part of a solution.
You do need to be sober and vigilant.
And again, as I say, Nick, I just think without a situation like this, without some sort of a crisis that shakes up the status quo, we were dead already.
So let's see what happens here.
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