Sept. 16, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome back, everybody, to the third and final hour of tonight's live broadcast of PPC, Saturday evening, September the 16th.
We're live, James Edwards, Keith Alexander.
You just heard from Kevin McDonald talking about his article on the Elon Musk ADL Twitter incident.
And you can read at theOccidentalObserver.net.
And of course, the first hour, we were talking about a whole hodgepodge of things that are cropping up that are just, each one unprecedented in its own right.
And you got 10 unprecedented groundbreaking occurrences.
I think almost any of those 10 items that have just sort of happened casually in the last couple of weeks would have been the single biggest news story of any normal year.
But we're not living in normal times anymore.
And joining us now.
We're living in interesting times.
Yeah, but certainly not normal times.
And joining us now to help us, how do I want to put this, just better understand and view the situation and offer an opinion on the country's current trajectory is John Friend.
John, of course, is associate editor at both the Barnes Review and the American Free Press.
These are sister publications, one a historical journal, and, of course, the other, America's last real print newspaper.
John, great to have you back.
James, thanks, man.
I appreciate it.
It's always great joining you guys.
You guys do great work.
So thanks a lot for having me.
Well, you're very welcome.
The last time you were on, we were sitting together at that remote broadcast in Alabama.
What'd you think about that trip?
Oh, man, that was awesome.
You know, it had been a long time since I'd been to Alabama, and it's really a beautiful place.
I mean, of course, Selma has seen better days, and parts of Montgomery have seen better days, but it's a really interesting place.
Lots of history, obviously.
And the Southern Cultural Center was awesome.
Those people, you know, everybody there was just phenomenal.
So I had a great time.
I hope to do it again in the future.
The Selma historical society, not so much.
Well, we did.
When you were with us that night, that Saturday night, we had not yet gone to Selma, which we did the very next day.
Now, when we got on the air again the following week, we did a full hour sort of talking about what we saw in Selma.
But you have not had the chance to – we'll just quickly get through this and we'll get back to the topics of the day.
But tell us your reflections on Selma that day that we spent together, you and I and Jared and John Hill.
Yeah, well, I guess what struck me were two things, just like sort of arriving in town.
Because I think we approached from the, we were driving north into town because you had to cross the river to get into the main part of the town.
But before you even cross the bridge to get, you know, into the main part of Selma, you come across these quote-unquote civil rights museums, and they're just a total disgrace.
It was absolutely embarrassing.
I mean, these are supposed to be like the, you know, these very important historical markers of this, you know, allegedly, you know, very important movement in American history.
And they're just in total shambles.
They look like they're bombed out.
There's broken windows.
There's, you know, nothing going on.
None of the places were even open.
So it was sort of embarrassing.
And then you crossed the bridge.
What is it?
The Edmund Pettus Bridge?
Yeah, then you're in downtown Selma.
You're on the riverfront, downtown Selma, which could have been a beautiful place.
Well, it looked like, I mean, to me, it reminded me a lot of New Orleans, actually.
I mean, you know, at least in its prime, you know, it had a very unique architecture and very, you know, very southern sort of New Orleans type feel.
But I remember, you know, as we drove over the bridge, I'm looking along the riverfront, and there's some of these old, you know, brick buildings, and some of them look like they were going to fall right off into the river.
They were sitting there.
Well, that's the thing.
I was going to say, you were generous to say that at some part, and I know why you're saying that.
There was one building in particular that sort of had that architecture, but you were generous to say it reminded you of New Orleans.
It reminded me of a set from The Walking Dead.
What is Channel?
Well, I guess in its prime.
We say all the time.
One of the things we say all the time, John, is that you can't have a first world community with a third world population.
And Selma certainly proves that.
And, you know, also, it proves that without Jewish backing, masterminding, financing, everything else, the civil rights movement would never have amounted to a hill of beans.
Well, that's a good point.
And anyway, John, we spent at least an hour, the show following that live broadcast in Alabama talking about it.
And I think we even revisited it the following show after that.
So we've talked about that a lot.
I don't want to get back into that for a long time.
But since you were there with us that night and that day and Selma the next day, and we haven't had a chance to talk to you on the air yet, I definitely wanted to get you to weigh in.
I guess I would just ask a final question on that.
Has diversity been Selma's greatest strength?
Absolutely not.
You know, and that's the thing.
I mean, that's the main lesson, I guess, the main takeaway is that, you know, diversity in the quote-unquote civil rights movement has totally destroyed that city.
And that's apparent just by crossing the bridge.
As soon as you show up into town, it's like, wow, what happened here?
You know, I mean, I don't know if there was a single business open on that whole main riverfront.
I think it was actually water.
There were plenty of begging local blacks with their hands out wanting to extract money from you.
Well, there was a private.
It really wasn't hardly anything.
It was almost like a tumbleweed ghost town.
There were a couple of those that you mentioned, Keith, and they were polite enough, but they definitely wanted some money.
But, you know, we talked about that.
There's a great article in Oxdale Observer recently about blacks and begging that I would recommend to you, John.
Read that.
But everything was closed and there was no people.
It was just a race.
Yeah, there was a second ghost town.
Awkward, weird type of eerie, I guess is the word.
Well, we couldn't, I mean, we couldn't even, we went to a really, really cool cemetery.
And me and John Hill actually stayed there after you guys took off, which was a really, really cool experience.
They have a confederate.
What do they call it?
The Confederate Circle, I think.
Yeah, Elijah Cemetery.
Pat Godwin, who we love and we know, she maintains it.
Oh, she was awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah, she was a small circle there.
Very knowledgeable, very dedicated to preserving the memory of the Confederacy.
And she does it probably for no money.
But on the other hand, if you've noticed, I've noticed down here, if there's a black cemetery, something like that, the only way blacks try to keep it up is if some white person is paying them to do it.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
And she's pretty much doing it for free, like you said.
And she spends, at least based on talking to her, it sounds like she spends a lot of her time doing it, and she does a fantastic job.
And that whole circle area was really, really impressive.
It was pretty clear.
Probably by far the best part of the cemetery.
Well, it was the part of the town.
Yeah, I mean, the rest of the cemetery was sort of dilapidated and aged.
And this was not just the best part of the cemetery, but the cleanest and most pristine part of the whole town.
I mean, it was well kept.
It was raked.
It was everything.
Yeah.
The only part that's still managed and run by whites.
And, you know, a bird had gotten on one of the monuments there.
And it was just without prompting, without anything, there was Jared and John Hill taking out their water bottles.
And believe me, we needed them that day.
That was one of the worst days of the summer.
Oh, it was something.
Brad Griffin, we were all just sweated through our clothes.
But, I mean, I love that.
This was just a wonderful takeaway moment.
I don't even know if we talked about this when we talked about it at length, but Jared and John Hill just went over there instinctively and started pouring water on this monument to clean it up.
It was just that's the nature of our people.
It was just a wonderful day together, though.
I mean, it was a wonderful thing to see.
I mean, I hate that that's happened to Selma.
I hate that these realities are what they are, but it was a wonderful day of fellowship and camaraderie.
I'll certainly never forget that.
Of course, the mainstream totally ignores what's happened to Selma, and they're certainly not going to chime in on our narrative about it.
Jared enjoyed it so much that he's written, I think, at least two featured pieces and a video on it, one on Montgomery and one on Selma, which were published a couple of weeks ago at American Renaissance.
And of course, you did an article on it on American Free for American Free Press, John, and we talked about it here on the show.
Anyway, that being said, and that having been done, let's get back to current topics, what's in the news this week, and we'll do it with John Friend of the American Free Press in three minutes.
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Welcome back, John Friend, AmericanFreePress.net, also of the Barnes Review.
John, you know, in the first hour, we were covering this compilation of recent events that Brad Griffin had compiled for Occidental Descent, and I know you had read that article as well.
I mean, when taking a look at the way things are headed right now, where would you even, which of those 10 items do you think is even the most significant?
I mean, which one did you read?
Did any of them make you raise your eyebrows?
I mean, where are we headed right now?
Actually, number two was particularly interesting to me.
I actually wrote a piece in this most recent issue of American Free Press about this governor down in New Mexico, Governor Grisham, I think is her name.
She was a former liberal Democrat congresswoman, and now she's the governor.
She was just re-elected in 2022.
And it's sort of, I guess 9-11 was recently just earlier this week, and 9-11 really opened the floodgates of the government to basically do whatever it wants by declaring an emergency.
And we certainly saw that with COVID.
And now we see that with this governor of New Mexico basically single-handedly outlawing guns.
Apparently, that's what she's trying to do anyways.
In total violation of not only the state's laws, but the U.S. Constitution.
I mean, it's really an incredible, unprecedented attack on our God-given ordained rights.
So that to me was a really big story that probably hasn't got as much attention as it should have.
But yeah, it's tough to know even where to start with everything that's going on right now.
John, I was saying that basically I see a silver lining in it.
It's like Governor Grisham in New Mexico has resurrected nullification and put it on steroids.
You know, John C. Calhoun just nullified a federal statute.
She is nullifying constitutional provisions, the First and Second Amendment.
And, you know, that could be a great, you know, I would love to do the same thing with the 14th Amendment.
Well, they can get away with it.
We can't.
That's the problem.
I see where you're going with that.
And the interesting thing is, I mean, when she made this, she declared the gun violence to be a public health emergency.
And then she issued this order, this 30-day ban on carrying open, openly or carrying concealed firearms.
Totally, again, totally against the law, you know, totally against the laws of the state of New Mexico and certainly against the U.S. Constitution.
And at a press conference, she was asked about it, and she even admitted that the criminals who are committing all this gun violence are not going to abide by this anyways.
So, I mean, even the reasoning, like, it makes no sense.
It's just a blatant power grab, and it's just outrageous.
I mean, it's like one outrage after another.
You know, every day I wake up.
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
That's the easiest argument for conservatives to win.
I mean, it's just so, it's just such a common sense thing.
But this is looking at all of that, and we covered it in the first hour.
You've read it.
All of this stuff's going on.
But this is, you know, is it good?
Yeah, I think all of this is good.
I mean, people have to see that there is no reforming this system.
It's criminally corrupt.
You cannot win this rigged game, and we have to be looking for alternatives.
So this is, again, a takeaway.
Orthodoxy has become violent on their deathbed.
And the left will not play by the rules.
The repression hasn't worked.
All of this censorship, you know, impeaching Trump, all of the stuff they've pulled hasn't worked.
It has, in fact, backfired and gotten more people to our side now than ever before.
Individuals have been punished for this.
Organizations have been bankrupted.
Social discontent, however, has only intensified.
So all of the measures that they had gone to before that used to work aren't working now.
And we're light years away from where we were in 2016.
The number of radicals in the population has soared even since 2020.
Radicalization.
This is, again, Brad Griffin's quote going vertical.
In 2023, it became clear with the Trump indictments that we were on our way to a major constitutional crisis.
And I think, you know, where we sit right now, John, even with all of this going, even with everything we covered in the first hour, everything that's happening right now in real time, it just seems to be cascading and overlapping.
It's like a hurricane.
It's generating more and more power.
More stuff happens every week.
But this, So, I mean, it's hard to even imagine where we're going to be in a few months because all of this is a category five hurricane, right?
All of this stuff we just mentioned has happened just within the last couple of months.
So you extrapolate that into next year and what do we look like?
But this system is now, I think it's in big trouble.
Partisan hatred is at historic levels, historic highs.
The political class, we said this with Kevin McDonald, seems to be making extraordinary, reckless gambles, both here and abroad.
The mainstream political atmosphere is fevered, and we're in a great destabilization phase.
Norms are dissolving.
Taboos are disappearing.
And the stability of the current regime seems to be liquefying.
I mean, do you agree with that, John?
And nothing is sacred anymore.
If they can go after the First and Second Amendment, and what does she gain from it?
Not a thing.
They're showing you that they just will not play by the rules.
They make the rules.
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Well, I mean, it's only just bringing these issues more to the fore.
I think you're completely right about just how things have accelerated in recent years.
I mean, and I know you guys have talked about it, beat this topic to death, this whole ban the ADL hashtag, which is probably one of the biggest news stories, I think, this year.
And there have been a lot of important news stories.
Well, but this is huge.
Yeah.
Well, see, that's the thing.
That's the opposite side.
We have all of this stuff that we've been covering tonight.
And then on the other end of the spectrum, you've got something like this.
And I say, John, and I know you and I talked about this off the air last week, emailing and texting and things, but because we were trying to figure out what to put in the paper in this next issue for the American Free Press.
Not just the biggest story for our side this year, but maybe even in decades.
And I certainly wanted to get back with you on that.
So again, we were talking about norms dissolving, taboos disappearing.
And this is the greatest example that I could find in my lifetime of that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Well, look, I completely agree with you.
I mean, this whole ban the ADL thing has really just exposed just how this organization works and operates to millions, billions of people, probably.
I mean, considering the reach of Twitter and social media.
I mean, Elon Musk is basically admitting that the ADL played a central role in deplatforming Trump from Twitter back in 2020, 2021, shortly after the election.
And the way this organization works is just so insidious.
It's something that, you know, of course, we know about, and I'm sure most listeners are well aware of.
But, you know, the facts, how this organization was founded, for example, are being exposed to millions of people, just exactly how they operate, how they shake down these big tech companies.
They shake down one of the wealthiest men in the world, Elon Musk, who it's so weird.
I mean, it's very schizophrenic type thinking with Elon Musk.
On the one hand, he's been very critical of the ADL.
On the other, he continues to attempt to placate them.
And I think it's the CEO of the company.
I can't remember her name off the top of my head.
But she just recently met with the ADL.
The ADL is constantly meeting with these top officials at Twitter and Facebook and basically dictating to them what is allowed and not allowed on their platform.
Well, I think that Elon Musk, though, John, is basically interested in trying to recoup that 60% loss of revenue rather than the principle of free speech.
I don't care about that.
Whatever gets him on the right side of the ledger.
I mean, I do care, but I've said this forever.
It doesn't matter.
The other thing that you talked about that I thought was very interesting is that it shed light on the founding of the ADL and the Leo Frank case.
Of course, Ron Owens has, I think, the definitive article on that.
And, of course, he mentions the Nation of Islam monograph on it, which is quite a monograph, 500 pages, about the lynching of a guilty man is what they call it in there.
And, you know, this is the foundation upon which the ADL is based.
The fact that Jewish power and influence was not able to overcome public outrage.
You know, when I was younger, I used to say, you know, I understand why the Jews hate the Germans because of the so-called 6 million Holocaust victim narrative, but what did white Southerners do to incur their ire?
And then I found it was the Leo Frank case.
In the Leo Frank case, one person, but we defied the combined power of world Jewry.
I still don't think that's a good thing.
And because of that, you know, we've gotten on their S list forever.
Well, you said that last week.
They hate us because we're white Christians.
Well, they also hate that.
They don't like that.
Well, the thing is, they hate white Southerners for that, but they also hate white Southerners, particularly because they couldn't pull off their normal shenanigans with the Leo Frank case.
I'm sure they didn't like that, but I think it's much deeper and broader than that.
But anyway, that added to his problem.
They hate white Christians.
They hate Christians.
They have Christianity.
White Southerners and white Southerners.
Because white Southerners are Christians.
They certainly hate us.
Especially more than white Southerners in the Midwest, for example.
Well, there's more Christianity is certainly much more prevalent in the South than any other region.
But anyway, John, what about Jonathan Greenblatt's tour where he says the ADL is just a small nonprofit?
Yeah, I know.
I was actually going to mention that.
I thought that was particularly laughable.
I'm actually looking at the ADL's website.
They have like, I think it's like 28 regional offices, not only in the United States, but they got an office in Israel, of course, and, you know, all over the country.
It's just incredible.
And this goes to the heart of the free speech debate in this country.
Do we have the right to criticize Jews?
Do we have the right to state facts about Jews and just what they're up to in our society?
According to the ADL, the answer is no, and that's totally unexpected.
But that's it.
I mean, they happen to be Jewish.
If they happened to be doing this any other way, we'd say the same thing.
If they didn't like George Soros, you know, we don't even mention he's a Jew and we can't mention his name.
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And away we go again, ladies and gentlemen.
So, okay, what were we talking about?
Obviously, right before the break, the ADL.
Jonathan Greenblatt going on this tour of saying, well, you know, why all this hatred of the ADL?
We're just a non-profit, civil rights, you know, small nonprofit.
We're a small nonprofit in New York, he said.
Meanwhile, they got operations all across the country and in Israel.
And of course, they have networks and connections to all these governments.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know what?
To me, it's a really important topic, obviously, as you know, as we were sort of discussing in the previous segment.
And we've got quite a few articles dealing with it in this current issue of American Free Press, including yours.
And the message of yours overall, James, I think was really a good approach to take.
Good luck, Elon Musk.
Let's see what he can do.
I mean, I'm not going to keep my hopes up, certainly, but just the fact that he's brought a lot of attention to this very subversive anti-American organization with a very disgusting, sordid history is a very important development, I think.
Yeah, the sordid history, I think, is unknown.
Most people think that Leo Frank was this, you know, the one Jewish person lynched in the history of the world, or at least in America.
And they have turned him into a plaster saint when actually he was, you know, as the National Islam said, Leo Frank, the lynching of a guilty man.
John, obviously, and you just mentioned it.
I mean, we both agree that this is a big story.
That's why we've spent so much time the last two weeks covering it.
But I think, didn't you say in the next issue of American Free Press, which has already gone to press, it'll soon be distributed to the subscribers, didn't you say, is there three or four stories on this in that one issue?
There's three total.
There's your piece, the piece that I wrote, which kind of gives an overview of exactly how the ADL operates.
And then Dr. Kevin Barrett wrote a really good piece about it, basically arguing that, well, for years, he's been trying to get the ADL to do a debate with him or a representative from the ADL to do a debate with him.
Because, of course, they've smeared him and pretty much anybody else that's talked critically about Jews or Israel or the role that Jews play in society.
They smeared us as anti-Semites or Holocaust deniers and stuff like this.
He's been attempting to engage in some sort of dialogue or debate with the ADL.
So he wrote a pretty provocative piece along those lines.
And that's the thing.
These people don't want to debate.
They don't want to entertain other ideas.
What is their whole approach?
And Elon Musk, again, even adopted this approach on Twitter.
At least he did publicly earlier this year where he was talking about how their policy would be freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.
So you could go make a tweet as long as nobody saw it.
They're going to prevent you from, they're basically going to shadow ban you and not let anybody see anything you're saying if you're writing controversial things on Twitter.
So that's sort of their approach.
John Francis said, freedom of speech for me, but not for thee.
But they're absolutely lying about that because here's two things, John.
Number one, Twitter is the public town hall now.
It's the public square.
That's where the debates are at.
So many things are digital now and conversations take place online.
If you didn't have the ability to reach people on Twitter, which is where the conversations are taking place, you'd be reduced to walking around and putting out flyers on windshields or in mailboxes.
But here's the thing.
They won't let you do that either.
You've seen this.
You've seen this before.
I was going to say, be careful.
You do that down in Florida.
You might get arrested.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So it's not, they're saying, well, freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.
By that, I guess hypothetically, even freedom of speech.
Hypothetically, they're saying you can have the freedom of speech, but you don't have the right to be on a social media platform that's going to reach a lot of people.
So, okay, well, we'll go out and put out flyers.
Well, you can't do that either.
We're going to arrest you and call it littering.
We're going to call it a felony.
We're going to call it intimidation.
We're going to call it hate speech.
You know, they have all of these different states.
There's nobody in Florida, I think, was pandering by Ron DeSantis trying to tell him what a good boy he was.
But, you know, that's even freedom of saying what could have less reach than putting flyers in people's heads.
Yeah, if you put in a good day's work and you work real hard, you're going to get, what, a couple of hundred of them?
And so that's it.
So Jonathan Greenblatt and the ADL are, in fact, absolutely baldface lying.
They don't want you to have freedom of speech either.
They're trying to criminalize it.
They're absolutely trying to criminalize it with the hate crimes enhancements, number one.
But even if you don't even have the freedom to go out and put out a flyer that you print out at your local copy shop, they want to criminalize that.
They're not for free speech in any capacity.
And we have to be able to talk about that.
And that's another thing.
I mean, we were talking with Kevin McDonald, John, in the last hour about what does constitute, in their opinion, anti-Semitic speech.
And it's basically anything you could possibly say that involves them.
Even sometimes if you praise them, it can be anti-Semitic if you're praising their disproportionate amount of power and influence in the system and media and etc.
And so basically everything you could possibly say about them is anti-Semitic.
Basically, especially openly stating basic facts about what they're up to, about their power and influence, about how they use that power and influence to advance certain agendas.
I mean, you could even quote these people directly from their own mouths and just put that on Twitter and they would flag that as like anti-Semitism.
I mean, that's the thing.
They openly talk about how they want to shut down people from, they call them tropes or myths of Jews running the world or running the government or running the media when you can prove that Jews play an overwhelming role in pretty much every institution in society, and it's not some crazy conspiracy theory.
I mean, they're responsible for the triumph of liberalism in the West, in particular in America, over the past 70 years.
Well, and that's something that Kevin McDonald was sure, and I think it's important that would be exactly accurate.
I mean, to say that they have total control might not be entirely true because you certainly have a lot of collaborators that are not Jewish that are going along with the program, but to say that they have a wildly disproportionate amount of control is 100% accurate and that they are sort of the rudder on a lot of people.
The foot soldiers might be Gentiles, but the generals are all Jews.
And so this is where we're at.
Now, I want to be clear about this, and I think it's important to say this too, and I've said it from time to time when having these conversations.
Basically, it looks to me like, you know, yeah, as you said, John, it's an anti-Semitic trope to say something or to even quote what they say, like Joel Stein and the Jews totally run Hollywood.
You know, if you post that, that's an anti-Semitic trope to quote a Jewish guy with regards to what he says or even to agree with it.
Jews can be anti-Semitic.
Even Andrew Torba, you know, it was, you know, and Andrew Ross Sorkin, for example, was.
Well, Torba is certainly not Jewish.
I know, but Andrew Ross, that's who I mean.
Andrew Ross Sorkin asked Greenblatt if he was angling for some type of donation from Musk.
And I mean, Greenblatt jumped on him like a duck on a Juneboat.
Well, Musk said that's exactly what they were going for, you know, this donation.
But I think, listen, any person or organization like the ADL, any individual or any sort of entity that is engaging in this kind of anti-white, anti-Christian behavior, I'm going to be against.
These people happen to be Jewish.
I can't help you or anyone else or them about that.
If they were white or black or whatever, I would be calling them out just the same.
And if in some alternate universe, John, you had Jews who were using their resources and their wealth and their power and influence to help us, I would be their biggest cheerleader.
I think that that's just a pretty fair thing to say.
Unfortunately, they don't, so I oppose it.
But it's not because, oh, it's just because they're Jewish we do these things.
I mean, that's just, it just doesn't make sense.
Well, and that's the way they often present it.
And they often present anti-Semitism as calls for violence against Jews or just blind hatred towards Jews.
And frankly, I don't really know anybody like that.
That's certainly never the way that I've approached this topic.
I want to have a scholarly conversation about Jews and about their power, about their influence, about their history, about the various organizations that they run and what sort of political and social and cultural agendas that they're promoting.
And that's what they're trying to shut down.
Like basically, like the scholarly discussion of, you know, of the reality of Jewish power and influence.
And that to me is totally unacceptable.
And, you know, that's what this is all about.
That's what this whole free speech debate revolves around, at least in my opinion.
Do we have the ability to talk openly and honestly about the role Jews play in society?
And again, groups like the ADL would say, no, we don't have that ability because it's quote-unquote hateful and anti-Semitic.
And so, you know, again, these things, this whole hashtag, the role that Elon Musk has played in this and all the other activists on Twitter.
I know Keith Woods played a huge role in sort of getting this trending and bringing this up.
Yeah, so, I mean, this is all, you know, pushing things definitely in a positive direction.
And it's exposing people to these realities.
You know, this goes to the heart of all of our political problems, I think, is our inability to be grown-ups and talk about these very uncomfortable and admittedly, you know, controversial subjects.
Well, the reason we can't talk about them, John, is because they have weaponized their criticism of people.
If you depend on a paycheck from a large company or from the government or something like this, or if you're in a type of field where you depend upon other people, you're not a freebooter, they will punish you if it is possible.
If you get prominently enough on their radar, they're coming after you.
And on the other hand, they want you to imagine that they're like the Cheshire Cat.
They magically disappear, only leaving their smile behind them.
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We've got a sick and fevered political climate, not living in normal times, destabilization spiral, a political order that is rapidly collapsing.
And the fact, John, that you've got mainstream media, the Democratic establishment now saying that in order to preserve democracy, we have to make sure that we don't have elections.
I mean, we're going to take candidates off the ballot.
We're going to put them in prison.
We're going to trump up these charts.
We're going to go after senators now like Lindsay.
Chemotherapy for democracy.
It's a deep crisis that we're already in, and it's probably going to devolve into open conflict.
And that's just not something that we want, but something that seems to be probable at this point.
In the very next year, and yeah, no, I agree.
And I think we've basically already been there, honestly, at least since 2015, 2016, when Trump really stepped on the political stage.
That's when we started to see the violence at his big rallies.
You know, we saw that certainly during his first inauguration.
Yeah, so this sort of like low-scale conflict has been simmering for a very long time.
I mean, it was, it, you know, sort of ebbs and flows depending on how the media reports certain incidents, like the George Floyd situation was totally used by the media to, you know, instigate this BLM Antifa revolution in the summer of 2020, which, of course, helped facilitate the theft of the 2020 election, I think.
And, you know, COVID played a key role in all that as well.
But yeah, no, I think we've basically been living in like a low-scale civil war since Trump entered politics.
And it couldn't possibly happen to our side, though, John.
Because everything they've done is so counterintuitive, so contrary to common sense and common mores.
Right.
And their explanations for it are such palpable lies that they have radicalized people on our side and got us a lot of converts among people that basically are just like Greta Garbo and want to be left alone.
They can't, you know, when they start grabbing your children and having their sex change without your permission, you know, if that doesn't get to you, nothing will.
And, you know, basically we just let them, you know, stand back and let them make fools of themselves is, you know, what has led us to this point.
I don't really think we people on the right have really contributed to it.
We've just reacted with our mouths gaping open to the enormities that they're trying to forced on the American people.
Yeah, and I don't think we're really going to ever be able to come to an agreement or a common acceptance of the political discourse or even narratives.
I mean, think about how, like, for example, January 6th is described by the mainstream media, by the Democrats, by the political establishment as a quote-unquote insurrection, which, you know, you ask me, it was nothing of the sort.
It was basically a genuinely mostly peaceful protest at the Capitol that was sort of attempt like we had in Charlottesville to co-opt the civil rights movement protest movement.
They're not going to allow us to do that.
They are basically going to...
Imagine what would have happened if Martin Luther King and John Lewis and Jesse Jackson had been put in jail for 20 years.
John, you're onto something here about the Orwellian nature.
When Black Lives Matter and Antifa are burning down cities, that's a mostly peaceful protest.
When Trump voters mill around in the Capitol, that's an insurrection.
Democracy is not letting people vote for the candidate of their choice.
Democracy is actually going to these great lengths to make sure that they can't.
See, everything is backwards.
Do what you're telling us.
Yeah, and see, that's the biggest problem is there's never going to be a consensus on any of these issues anymore.
At least I don't see that anytime soon.
And it's going to take people to stand up and genuine leaders to come forth and actually really tell the truth.
And that's the thing with a guy like Trump or Elon Musk is these are the people that really have a lot of potential to really set the tone and get things going back in a more truthful, honest direction.
And thus far, I mean, we just haven't really seen that, unfortunately.
I mean, again, there's always that potential.
I think that's a point that I've made previously doing these interviews with you guys is a guy like Donald Trump, when he came into office in 2016, had all the potential in the world to really change things.
And, you know, of course, he was stymied in a number of ways and probably made a lot of bad decisions.
But there's still that potential.
A person like Elon Musk, again, same sort of situation.
So I think really that's what we're lacking is we lack a solid leadership class that's going to stand up and tell the truth and set things in a more truthful, honest direction.
Supports the great question about if he got a second term is would he improve?
Would he make it?
Yeah, that's a good question.
Yeah, you know, and we would see, I think we might see early if he's not in prison or if he's not killed or whatever.
I think his vice presidential pick will be a nice indicator as to which, because if he has a poor vice presidential pick, if he goes with another standard cookie-cutter neocon, which is what he populated, which is exactly what he populated his entire administration with, then we then we'll know that he hasn't learned anything.
But again, I don't want him to win and try to reform the system.
I just want him to be this agent of chaos that'll bring about the change that we really need.
And I think inadvertently, John, you know, certainly Trump has been the reason we are where we are today.
The reason all of this stuff that we've been talking about for the last few years has happened has because of Trump, whether he intended it to or not.
And certainly he didn't.
But that's where we are.
And so in that way, he has been certainly an angel for us.
Trump has all the right enemies.
Now, one last thing, John, I want to say, shifting gears one last time, let's remind everybody here at the end of the hour, end of the program tonight, about that third quarter fundraising incentive.
It's that print subscription to the American Free Press that's going to be delivered bi-weekly to your home mailbox until the end of the year.
Now, you know that, folks, and we've gotten a good response to it so far, but it's got to continue for the rest of the month.
I mean, it's always a tight, tight, tight operation around here.
But we have gotten a good reaction to that.
It really is, John.
I think for this audience, which is why I was so eager to do it, is the print newspaper of American Free Press is the perfect complement to our weekly broadcast.
And here's something that you don't know, John, is that of the people who have already responded to this gift incentive and responded with their support this quarter, I've had a handful, a handful.
I think if you saw it once or twice, that would be remarkable.
But I think we're up to four or five now.
People who have paid the premium, you know, donated at the level of support necessary to receive the gift, who already subscribed to the American Free Press, and they're saying, I've already got a subscription, but I want you to give this to somebody who doesn't.
And that, I think, is just goes to the very heart of what our audience is.
They are good.
They are kind.
It's a one-for-all mentality that we've all got here, that you and I have, that Keith and I have, that we have with our guests.
I've got a modest proposal for people like that.
We need to find out which among our numbers are in jail because of Charlottesville or January 6th and send them copies.
That's a good idea.
That's a really good idea.
That's a really good idea.
But we've had a handful of people that have done that so far, and perhaps there'll be some more, but it's just people who want to support the show but are already subscribers to the American Free Press, which I think just goes to prove that, you know, yeah, one audience, there's a lot of overlap.
And let them know that we haven't forgotten them.
But in any event, it's been a good reaction so far.
We're about halfway.
We are exactly halfway through it tonight on the 16th of the month.
But we hope that that support continues.
$100 or more.
You or someone at your designation can receive a print subscription to the American Free Press that will run all the way into January.
So you get it for the rest of this year.
And then, of course, you can decide whether or not you want to resubscribe and resubscribe at an annual level.
But this is something that the audience has responded well to, and it's been a lot of fun to do this.
This is a really cool thing.
Yeah, no, I'm really glad to hear that.
Yeah, that's awesome to hear.
And we do have a very dedicated, solid subscription base.
And that's why we're still in existence.
It's not easy maintaining a print publication these days, let alone one on a shoestring budget with no corporate advertising, no big donors, no big backers.
I mean, even these, you know, more mainstream corporate newspapers can't even stay afloat these days.
So it's quite an accomplishment.
I think it serves a very, very valuable purpose.
I mean, you know, I've said before, I'm sort of like an old school newspaper nerd.
I like sitting down and reading an old-fashioned book, an old-fashioned magazine, an old-fashioned newspaper.
And I know I'm probably a dying breed.
Yeah, exactly.
Go sit down on the porch and have a cup of coffee and read the newspaper.
Absolutely.
And also, I mean, you know, we've talked all about censorship and how the ADL is trying to get everybody banned on social media.
Again, sort of underscoring the importance of having an actual print newspaper, not to mention the sort of legitimacy that such a thing sort of commands.
I mean, you know, an actual print.
It's very well put together, I think.
We've got a good group of writers, including James, who recently came on board.
Jose Nino just came on board.
He's going to be contributing more regularly, I believe.
So, yeah, things are definitely going in the right direction.
You know, we're covering the most important topics, I think, facing the country, facing the world, you know, from an openly pro-America, America-first-type perspective.
Dare I say, pro-white perspective.
You know, and, you know, it's something that's very much necessary.
So I think it's good.
I appreciate very much what you do for the paper, James, and wish your fundraiser the best.
I'm sure it's going to be very successful.
Well, and we're already getting some of those orders processed.
So, you know, almost every time you support TPC during one of these fundraising incentives, we personally send you the gift premium.
We package it.
We ship it.
This time, obviously, it's a little different.
You're going to be getting a recurring subscription, but we're passing on the names and the addresses of people who want the subscription, obviously, to John and the American Free Press.
And they're already getting them in the hopper.
We sent in a big batch a couple of days ago, and we're doing that every week.
And so they'll start rolling.
You'll get it twice month in the mail, and I think you'll like it.
We actually put a sample.
We've been talking about all this.
What's it actually look like?
What's up with the content?
We actually did post, even though you have to subscribe to the paper.
It only appears.
My columns and commentaries only appear in the print newspaper.
But we actually did post a one-time sample for you to read.
And it was my column on my article on anarcho-tyranny.
And that's up at the website.
You can go take a look, and that's the kind of stuff you'll be getting.
But I'm only one of many contributors to the paper, obviously.
Well, the thing I like about this particular incentive package is that we're helping out another group, and we're helping spread their footprint.
That's right.
And I think we need to do one for the Barnes Review sometime, too, if we can figure out a way to do that.
Well, certainly every time we do an incentive, it helps the person that is providing the gift premium and us too.
So in this case, and in this quarter, you can help TPC stay on the air, and you'll be helping American Free Press, and you'll be getting some great gifts.
We always like to say thank you, and we always like to reward you for your support with these gifts incentives.
I know you'd support us anyway, but it just feels right, and we like to help other people.
That's what we do here.
We are a nexus, and we like to cross-pollinate.
So, John Friend, thank you so much for being on with us tonight, folks.
Do show your support.
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I'm James Edwards for Keith Alexander, Kevin McDonald, John Friend.
We will talk to you next week.
Good night, Godspeed.
What's going to happen between tonight and next week?