Sept. 16, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
All right, folks, welcome back.
We are working to get Dr. McDonald on the line.
We actually just had him a moment ago, and we lost him, so I am troubleshooting that.
Keith, you read the article.
Let me work on this here off mic for just a second.
Keith, you read this article that we want Kevin to walk us through this hour, assuming we can get him.
And it was just posted at the OccidentalObserver.net a couple of days ago on the 12th.
The title of it is, Is There Really a Huge Spike in Anti-Semitism on X?
Keith?
Well, Kevin McDonald's position is that there is not a huge spike in anti-Semitism on X or so-called.
I mean, what is anti-Semitism?
I mean, that needs to be defined, but yeah.
Yeah, but the thing is, things on our side of the fence have gone along like they've been going on for a while now.
Where the change is, is an initiative made by the Jonathan Greenblatt-led ADL, Anti-Defamation League of Brene Brith, to try to stamp out any criticism whatsoever of Jews or Israel that might rear its head in Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it, or any other public forum.
They're basically trying to control everything that's going on on the airwaves anywhere.
And they want to make sure that Jews are like Caesar's wife beyond reproach.
Nobody can say anything that could be construed negatively against Jewish power and influence.
And that's Jonathan Greenblatt's mission in life.
You thought Abe Foxman was bad.
Greenblatt is like Abe Foxman on steroids.
And not only does he look like Nosferatu, he is like Nosferatu.
He is basically doing his best to weaken white Gentile societies throughout the world.
And this is the way he's doing it.
He's using the ADL to persecute financially and otherwise anybody that allows freedom of speech.
He is the absolute poster child for the opposition to the First Amendment.
Basically, the First Amendment, in his opinion, should not exist.
He is the gatekeeper that can tell you what can be said and what cannot be said regarding Jewish people or anything that might even reflect, however obliquely, upon Jewish people.
So Kevin is saying, you know, there's not been a change justifying his activism.
His activism is a force unto itself.
And the ban the ADL movement, you know, Elon Musk does not want to ban the ADL.
That's what he ought to do, just ban them like James Edwards has been banned and others have been banned.
Tom Sunick, for example, on Twitter.
He doesn't want to do that, but he does want to sue them because they have affected his pocketbook.
60% of his traffic in America and in Europe.
His ad revenue.
Ad revenue.
Ad revenue has evaporated because, as he says, advertisers don't like controversy.
Well, Greenblatt is the world's best at stirring up controversy.
And it looks like, I mean, Musk has not backed down.
I never really took seriously.
I didn't entirely discount it, but I would say that the odds, I always assumed the odds were against him actually proceeding with a defamation lawsuit against the so-called anti-defamation league.
Now, so I always thought that was probably just a shot across the bow type of thing.
But he hasn't backed down.
Now, he hasn't continued to pile on this week, Elon Musk, that is.
He's gone back to posting about rocket ships and cars and things like that, as he is wont to do.
But he has not backed down from everything else.
And it's all still up there.
Now, we do have our featured guest of the evening now, our good friend, Dr. Kevin McDonald, of course, professor emeritus of psychology at California State University, Long Beach, the author of several books, including Cultural Insurrections and Individualism in the Western Liberal Tradition.
You can read his most recent work, including this article that we're going to be breaking down this hour at theoccidentalobserver.net.
Kevin, great to have you.
How are you?
Hey, I'm sorry.
I turned my notifications off for some reason last night and it didn't turn back on.
I'm here.
We got you.
We've got you and we are happy to have you.
This is live radio, so we rolled our light and never.
And we're only a couple of minutes.
Thankfully, we have you for the full hour and not just 30 minutes.
So we will get to this because there's so much I want to talk to you about.
I want to certainly talk about the recent ordeal.
And I think, Liz, why don't we go ahead in light of the start to this hour, let's skip this first break and we'll just take the bottom of the hour break and that'll make up some time.
As the pilots like to say, we're going to make up some time in the air here.
But we're on the air, as it were.
But Kevin, first, I know that you had a conversation with our friend Henrik Palmgren over at Red Ice about the Elon Musk ADL ordeal.
Tell us a little bit about what y'all talked about and what you shared with him in terms of opinion, and then we'll move forward.
Well, it's been a while, but we certainly talked about it.
And I made the point.
I've been banned, but I don't really blame Musk.
And I do think that it was higher-ups that did it.
I mean, not higher-ups.
Either people in his company didn't know.
I think more and more is the ADL.
They've been involved.
And it's no accident that people like me got banned.
Jared Taylor can't get back on and you and everybody else.
So, yeah, I admire Musk for doing this.
And I'm just reading it.
There's a biography coming out about him that he really is a very, you know, he sort of likes confrontation, likes drama.
And boy, he's gotten into something with this.
The ADL.
He doesn't like people that, and Kevin, he doesn't like people that reduce his advertising income.
By 60%, yeah.
Yeah, he's really, he's really poked the bear with this one, the biggest bear in town.
It is a big bear.
It's extremely big.
And I think that, you know, they're not going to stop.
And I just got an email the other day from, I'm on their mailing list.
Believe it or not.
Stop giving them so much money, Kevin.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm a big donor for them.
But yeah, they said they're not going to stop.
And, you know, they have a lot of resources and a lot of influence.
They can influence corporations and whole network, you know, people that run hedge funds and BlackRock and the whole ESG thing and just get companies to boycott it and make it difficult.
But, you know, I do think Twitter, I mean, X now, you know, has a certain central place in the media landscape.
And it is sort of the town square.
I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
I think Zuckerberg's Treads thing has not worked out and nothing else is on the horizon, really.
So, yeah, they're going to be the only game in town, but we'll see what happens.
Well, Twitter's definitely where it is for political discourse.
I mean, certainly much more than Facebook or any of the second tier.
I love everything that Andrew Torba is doing.
I love everything that he says.
I think he is a hero.
But, I mean, Gab is certainly a second tier to Twitter.
And then all of the other ones, like, I don't even think Parlor's around anymore in Truth Social.
That's not where the game is played.
But Twitter is the most prominent and most influential social media platform.
Let me ask you this.
Let me play the devil's advocate.
Do you really think that Vanguard and BlackRock and State Street and people like this and the people they influence have to be take their marching orders from Jonathan Greenblatt and the ADL?
Would they not be against a democratization of freedom of speech at Twitter regardless of anything that Jonathan Greenblatt would do?
Yeah, well, I think they are going to be against freedom of speech because it's a sort of consensus on the left now.
And so it's not hard to persuade these people not to advertise on Twitter.
At the same time, ADL is going to be taking names and making lists.
And anyone who goes outside the box there is going to feel the heat.
They're going to have problems.
And so I think you're right, though.
It really is something that's a consensus on the left now.
Never used to be.
And back in the 1950s, when Jews were being hauled up before Senator McCarthy's committee, because all the communists, so many Jews were communists at the time.
And at that time, they were all for free speech.
All the Jews were.
That's right.
See, it's that principle that governs all Jewish behavior.
The one principle that they are totally loyal to, is it good for the Jews?
Back then, it was good for the Jews to be for free speech.
Now they're in charge.
It's bad for the Jews.
That's it.
And it is just that simple.
They stop principled.
And, you know, that's one of the problems that especially white conservatives have is that they're so damn principled.
You know, they will go down there.
You know, they, you know, we have to be for human rights.
And that means that refugees and immigrants, the whole thing, they can't get over these sort of enlightenment ideas.
And they have to, you know, they have to do that in order to survive now.
But they don't get it.
And they stick to the principles.
And it's pathetic, really.
It is.
And you actually hear some of them say that they would rather lose or be defeated as long as they keep their principles than do what it takes to win.
And what Keith said, and we've said this many times before, whites have got to develop that sense of racial solidarity and say we will base our position at any time and on any, whatever the case may be, on is it good for our people.
Now, they're like Vilfredo Pareto, the Italian socialist in the 19th century that said, when I am weak, I ask you for fairness and equality because those are your principles.
When I'm strong, I deny fairness and equality to you because that is my principle.
We got to start ringing the bell when that quote makes an appearance.
It's got to be ring the nightly bell.
Happens every week.
But uh Kevin, what I was saying right before you you dialed in tonight.
Uh, I was just saying that Elon Musk has not backed down from any of this.
All of the tweets are still up there.
I never did really think.
I I still don't think.
I would like to be pleasantly surprised.
I always thought that the threat of a lawsuit was sort of like a shot across the bow.
But uh, he has not backed down now.
He has gone back this week to posting about spaceships and cars and all of that stuff.
But I think that here's two things to look at big picture.
Even if Musk doesn't do anything else on this, I think he's already supplied us with the tremendous assist if he doesn't say anything else about the ADL going forward, the amount of people that got in on that conversation last week.
The amount of people that were looking at the ADL I mean, we spent three hours on it.
There's been countless articles about it uh and, and a lot of establishment conservatives sort of speaking our language with regard to this issue.
I think if nothing else happens from there it is.
It was still a good thing for us that it that it happened, because I mean i'd love to see Green Blatt on tv, I mean because he's so damned ugly, you know.
I mean, we're going to talk about that too, but would you agree with that that?
I mean it regardless of.
I mean, obviously we're going to need more to happen, but regardless of what Musk does going forward, he's already given us a nice alley.
Oop yeah, and I think that you see it awful lot in the mainstream media too.
I had two articles, one from THE HILL, one from the NEW YORK Times, and you know it's been all over all the big networks, I guess.
And uh in, uh in um, uh in in Gregory Hood's article.
He had all these quotes from different media, uh tweets on that and they, you know, they're all opposed to Musk, but the word is out.
You know that the Anti-defamation League is is a problem uh uh, you know it's wonderful we have such a spokesman.
As for the ADL, as uh Nosferatu himself, you know uh, you know he is just such a Jewish looking Minch in so many ways that it could not, we couldn't have uh gone to Central Casting and found a better guy to be in charge.
So you're saying Kevin, that even outside of our circles, which you know have certainly increased in in in size over the last few years.
But, above and beyond that, this has really broken out the.
The true nature of the ADL, you think, got out last week in a way that really hadn't happened before.
Yeah yeah, I do think that uh, people just don't go after the ADL.
You know uh, public figures like like Musk and and uh drawn attention to it.
You know, even Keith Woods tweeting, would have died probably if Musk hadn't liked it or whatever.
And uh, you know, i've always felt, you know, it's like being on GAB where people follow you and they know what you're about, but you don't, you don't get the reach.
And and uh, Musk gets the reach.
He's got millions of followers and a lot of fanboys who just adore him.
And uh, you know they uh, you know they got to be wise here they, they got to be wised up a little bit uh, on what's really going on in this country, and I think that even if the ADL is Able to weather the immediate storm.
I think that they took a bullet to the heart in some ways.
I mean, they're still very powerful.
They can still turn your lights out.
We know that.
I mean, that amount of power and influence hasn't necessarily waned, but the more people who get wise to it, the more trouble that they've got.
And they had to spend an awful lot of ordinance last week.
I mean, as Keith was talking about, Jonathan Greenblatt going on this damage control tour of all of the damage exacerbating damage.
Yeah, see, I think he did probably make it worse because he just comes across as just such a bad guy.
I don't think they have the ability.
He's Nosferratu.
He's a modern reimagining of Nosferatu.
I don't know if they have the ability to be self-aware or if he has the ability to be self-aware.
But how do you think the ADL came across in their defense of themselves last week, Kevin?
Well, I've always thought that Greenblatt was a poor choice to lead the ADL from their point of view because he just doesn't have a good looking public persona.
Yeah, he doesn't have any charisma.
And, you know, they catch him lying about what he said.
Classic.
And I think that he's, I do think, yeah, he's on the defensive here.
And he has to justify this.
And, you know, the big point of my article is that they are making up data here, that there's this big, big shift towards anti-Semitism on X.
It's just not really there.
I think the big shift, Kevin, is that they are on the offensive, not that we are.
Or the defensive, I guess you mean.
But Kevin, let's go then to that article.
I think, again, this was the talk of the town.
I said last week, we spent three hours on this, which is exceeding, you know, very, very rare.
But I said last week, I think this is one of this could be and probably is one of the biggest breakthroughs for our side of the culture war in decades.
It's our counteroffensive.
Well, this is a big one.
I mean, going after this, I mean, all of the other stuff, like racial reality and crime statistics and even secession, a lot of the things that didn't have an audience outside of our circles has gotten an audience now.
Really, one of this last frontier is Jewish power and influence.
And now they're getting a hard look and they don't like to be noticed like that.
I think the two best articles on our side, though, about this came from you, Kevin, and we're going to be talking about that right now.
And also, you just mentioned it, Gregory Hood at Amran did an excellent.
And another good one was Ron Ons at Hans Review.
So they've been out there, but walk us through your article.
They're at theoccidentalobserver.net.
You kind of break it down piece by piece.
Is there really a huge spike in anti-Semitism on X is the title?
Give us some of your most made-for-radio findings in this piece, Kevin.
Yeah, what I focused on was claims about the numbers.
And it seems to me that, again, when you look at where they get this, like the guy writing in the New York Times, who's the postdoc in the studies, anti-Semitism studies at Yale, and obviously a partisan, they come from the ADL.
Well, can you really trust the ADL's numbers?
I mean, there's apparently, you know, the one tweet that we had in there, they showed that, I mean, from Musk's own data, there's been a decrease, actually.
And it's a very tiny percentage of tweets that are involved.
But anyway, the ADL has all kinds of reasons to inflate these numbers and no way to check them.
And the problem is they have such a, you know, sainted reputation in the media that no one questions them.
They don't ask, well, let's see the data here.
They don't say, where did you get this?
What exactly is anti-Semitism, according to you?
And, you know, there could be false flags on there.
There are all kinds of anonymous users.
Why did they get rid of you and me and Paul Fromm and Tom Sunich?
Why did you do that?
And they've got all these anonymous people on there who are still tweeting things that Jews don't like.
Great point.
Great point.
Yeah, I mean, and a lot of those tweets really aren't good.
They really are over the top in some way.
They're kind of crazy.
And, you know, so they take the credible people off of there and put on people that really have no credibility.
And that's purposeful.
I think that is.
And that's what the ADL wants.
They want the image of people who criticize Jews to be that of someone who's just off his rocket, conspiracy theorist, nutcase, racist, you know, just they want to pillory them in that way.
And I think that, yeah, they like this and they may have encouraged it.
And a lot of them may be, you know, bots.
There may be a big, you know, boiler room somewhere in Israel putting these things out.
Who knows?
But we just, we don't know these things.
And, you know, it's just very hard to know.
And you just can't trust these numbers.
And the second thing, the second big point I made was from the second article on The Hill where they define anti-Semitism according to the International Holocaust Remembers Association definition.
And if you look at that, they claim there's a huge increase.
It's double or triple.
I don't know what it was.
But if you look at that definition, there are a lot of things that are reasonably, you know, are reasonably true.
Things that I've said over and over again, you know, that Jews have influence, that they act as a collectivity, that they have influence in the media and the academic culture and all that.
So I got a whole list of them there.
We're going to pay any attention to that little man behind the screen.
We're going to get into this more.
You can check it out at theoccidentalobserver.net.
We're going to ask Kevin what they're saying that anti-Semitism, whatever that is, and however they define it, has spiked on X since Musk took over.
What do they consider anti-Semitic statements to be?
Kevin documents it in his excellent piece, and we're going to find out about it when we come back.
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Back with the great and good Dr. Kevin MacDonald of the Occidental Observer.
He also is the editor of the Occidental Quarterly.
His work on Jewish group behavior and culture has been seminal.
And we're actually going to talk about that, how Jewish evolutionary psychology may be, what role it may play in this current episode.
We'll get to that in the final segment.
But we're talking about his excellent article at the Occidental Observer with regards to Musk and the ADL and all of this.
I want to circle back very quickly to something he said in the last segment.
And you write this in your article, Kevin.
Why get rid of people like James Edwards, Paul Fromm, Tom Sunich, Jared Taylor, and me, all of whom made responsible fact-based tweets, but keep all of the anonymous users on, many of whom make over-the-top nutcase comments that fall into the narrative that people who are critical of Jews are conspiracy theorists or mentally ill.
I think that is a great question.
Let's just spend 30 seconds.
I mean, I guess the answer is pretty much obvious, but I think that should be reiterated as a point of emphasis that the people who were doing the work sincerely and making fact-based arguments are gone, but the people who sort of play into the caricature of how they would want people with our ideas to be seen are certainly still there.
Kevin, a quick response to that.
And I know we covered it, but I just wanted to circle back quickly.
Yeah, I think that's the thing.
I mean, some of us, people like us, we try to just stick with the facts, be responsible and be reasonable.
And we're the guys that got knocked off.
And I just don't see that in any other way than that's what they want.
They want the reasonable people off of there.
And, you know, because when I look at even the comments on Keith Wood's tweet, and that's a very good tweet.
I'm glad he did that.
But there's a lot of comments aren't really something I'd want to endorse.
But yeah, that's the reality that they want the caricature out there.
And they've done that over and over again for the last 100 years or whatever.
The anti-Semites are unschooled.
They are violent, evil.
They don't have any sense of being honest about these things.
It's all big lies and propaganda on their part.
So, yeah, this is what they want.
They want to get rid of people like that and promote people.
And again, I do think a lot of these are bots that are put out by people who are either embedded or at least approved and not gone after by the ADL.
And yet those people, they can claim, oh, there's a huge increase in anti-Semitism on there.
And, you know, it's always increasing.
You go back, you know, 50 years every time the ADL has a report, it's increasing.
But so, I mean, you just can't trust these people at all.
Yeah.
Kevin, they want to portray all opposition as a bunch of knuckle-dragging troglodytes.
Absolutely.
They want to control the narrative.
That's what they do.
They are gatekeepers.
And they don't want to totally shut out criticism of Jews or Jewish behavior or behind the scenes Jewish machinations.
They want it to be portrayed by people who are conspiracy theorists, genuine conspiracy theorists, people that don't really understand the big picture.
And that way they control the narrative.
That's what they're control.
They're gatekeepers.
And they don't want you and James in, but they certainly want knuckle-dragging troglodytes to have an audience.
Right.
If those people are sincere or not, if they are sincere, they're certainly not helping the cause that they are pretending to support.
So who's to say?
And who knows for sure?
But I wanted to circle back to this article, Kevin, a very good article that you wrote talking about the rise in so-called anti-Semitism on X.
Well, first of all, I mean, how do you, what is the true definition of an anti-Semitic statement?
What is an anti-Semite?
I mean, how is that?
Anything that reflects at all on a Jewish person is anti-Semitic.
All right.
Well, they give the example.
So they're saying that all, you know, that anti-Semitic statements have skyrocketed on X since Elon Musk bought it.
So what do they claim to be an anti-Semitic statement?
Kevin, you documented what they are saying is examples of anti-Semitic statements.
And here they are.
These are the anti-Semitic statements or the statements that they're flagging as being anti-Semitic.
I'm going to go through them very quickly.
The myth that Jews control the media would be one example of an anti-Semitic statement.
I mean, first of all, they say they control it.
If you agree with them, anyway, I'm not going to chase that rabbit, but that's one example.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel or the priorities of Jews worldwide than in the interest of their host nation.
Claiming that the existence of the state of Israel is a racist endeavor.
That Jews apply double standards using symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism, such as the Jews killed Jesus with blood libel.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis, holding Jews responsible for the actions of the state of Israel.
I mean, basically, Kevin, it sounds to me if you fall in line if any of the statements you make about Jewish people would fall under that umbrella unless it's just lavish praise.
I mean, can you say anything about them that's not declared to be anti-Semitic by the ADL?
I think they resist any attempt, any example where you sort of make Jews into a collectivity, you know, that Jews are X or Jews are doing, you know, that they're on the same page.
I mean, a common theme that they have is that you get two Jews or three two Jews in the room and you got three opinions or something like that.
They don't, they never agree.
And it's a joke.
You know, if you look at what actually goes on in the world, the vast majority of Jewish power is directed, for example, to support Israel.
The vast majority of Jewish power is aimed at, you know, really replacing us, I'd have to say.
And, you know, I wouldn't use the word control the media because you can come up with an example of a non-Jewite like Murdoch who's not Jewish, but they have huge influence on the media and ownership and in contributions to the media, writers and all that.
And you just can't deny that.
You know, you look at something like New York Times, Jewish-owned, look at NBC, MSNBC, Jewish-owned, and CNN, all these companies and big media.
They have huge reach.
And that's why you're seeing all this blowback against Musk now in the media, especially on the left.
What they want, Kevin, is this.
They want Jews to be invisible.
They want Jews to be invisible.
They are just random people out here, and there's no connectivity whatsoever with left-wing politics or left-wing advocacy on one hand and Jews on the other.
Yeah.
And I think that plays into the sort of conservative worldview.
There was an article by Christopher Ruffo on, what was it, on one of the big conservative magazines.
And his point is that we have to look at everyone as an individual, that we have to adopt the perspective of the founding fathers on inalienable rights and all that, individual rights.
But it's just not a game that can work for us.
We can't work that way.
We have to understand who's against us, where the power is, and how they are cooperating, and that kind of thing.
So that kind of talk is just, it's losing.
It's a loser.
It's trying to fight.
It's trying to fight a cage match with Marquis de Queensbury rules.
It doesn't work.
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly what it is.
It's a brawl.
We have a strong tendency towards individuals.
That's the point in my book, a recent book.
But the point is we have to get over that.
We have to become more of a collective.
And we have to have a sense of our group interests.
And that's absolutely missing from conservative rhetoric.
And it's funny, Rufo says, he acknowledges that there are race differences, say, in outcomes.
You know, there are going to be these kinds of differences.
But we have to be absolutely colorblind about everything.
Well, believe me, people on the left are not going to be colorblind.
Their whole thing now is about race.
And people like Christopher Rucco can talk that way, but it's not going to have any effect on the left.
And it's just closing your eyes to what's really group-based battles.
The ADL.
Yeah, the left is rice over olives.
Yeah, exactly.
Rice over olives.
Exactly.
These Jewish groups have banded together with non-white groups.
Black Lives Matter and all the immigrant groups, Hispanic caucus, and Asians and everything.
They're trying to make a big, as they did in Australia.
Frank Salter's great book just came out on anglophobia and how the Jewish organization has basically organized all the non-white Australians into a coalition to oppose England.
So the way it is.
Hold on right there.
The great Dr. Kevin McDonald, we've got him for one more second.
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Here's a little fun trivia fact.
TPC and Kevin McDonald.
This is Kevin's 52nd credited appearance on the show.
Now, sometimes he comes on uncredited, maybe making a cameo.
52 appearances.
Here's to the next 50, my friend.
And let's hope we all make it that long before we go to prison.
But anyway, it's been an honor.
It continues to be an honor.
But this whole discussion, what is an anti-Semite?
What is anti-Semitism?
I mean, for my money, anti-Semite is a Gentile.
That's how they intend it to be used.
Anti-Semite, anti-Semitism is, or a neo-Nazi, rather.
A white Gentile.
If you publicly disagree with the Jewish person, you're a neo-Nazi now.
But this whole thing, that list, well, they say, well, here's the proof that anti-Semitic statements have increased on Twitter because here's what we consider to be anti-Semitic statements.
And it's literally everything you could possibly say.
And, I mean, even now, if you praise them, I remember Joe Biden, before he was president, getting into some trouble for praising Jews with regards to their role in media.
They said, hey, Joe, you know, you're not supposed to mention, you know, the disproportionate.
Their control is so pervasive.
You just can't discuss anything without stepping on their toes.
You can't even praise them.
And even the word, Kevin, anti-Semite.
Remember, I think a few months ago, or was it last year, they demanded that the spelling be changed?
You had to take out the hyphen or it was anti-Semitic to use the hyphen.
I don't even remember what that was all about.
It's some weird thing.
But that's big picture.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
You can't even mention George Soros anymore.
You don't have to say he's a Jew or not.
Yeah, right?
That's enough.
That's anti-Semitic.
And or great replacement.
You cannot talk about that because that's racist and anti-Semitic, they've said.
And that's the way it is.
So, you know, they will, this is extremely aggressive on their part to be able to get people to stop talking about the influence of George Soros.
And believe me, the vast majority of the media will go along with that as they do with everything else that they want.
So, yeah, I mean, very few people are going to start going to keep mentioning those issues anymore.
Do you think that they're overplaying?
I mean, certainly in the past, throughout history, we've seen an overplay and an overreach.
Do you think that that's happening here?
Do you think that they are completely unable to see that this could go wrong?
Or do you think that they're that confident and smug in their ability to get away and do whatever they want to do?
Yeah, I think that they are playing a sort of losing game when it comes to Israel, that they just can't defend it anymore.
And they are defending it.
They're still four square behind Israel.
They completely reject the idea that there's an apartheid state, even though by any measure, it's an apartheid state.
And you got guys in the Israeli cabinet now who are just bowed racist, and they'll tell you that.
I mean, and they hate the Palestinians.
It's not just an apartheid state.
It's a cruel apartheid state.
They're actually killing Palestinians.
Yeah, they are.
And they get their terrorists, and the American media sort of goes along.
And Congress, they had a vote.
This Congresswoman Jaya Pal or something, I think she's Palestinian.
She made some kind of resolution that Israel is racist.
And the response was that they had a counterrevolution that Israel is just fine, not a racist, and all that.
412 to 9 was the vote.
And the overwhelming support in the United States Congress.
And yet, a lot of people, especially on the left, are, they really know.
You can't keep this up because you've got human rights organizations like, what's it called?
Human Right Watch, I guess.
All saying the same thing now uh, and it just can't be hidden.
But Israel, money talks and bs waltz, but money talks and bs waltz.
I said yeah they, they can't stop in Israel.
I mean, the people in charge of the Israeli government are are ethno-nationalists and religious fundamentalists and uh, you know, liberal Jews are are freaking out about the, you know, the Supreme Court issue, whether the, the uh legislature, has the power to sort of uh make laws irrespective of what the Supreme court wants.
Uh, and and that that is a huge issue, because the people who control the Nesset obviously are way on the right and dominated by apartheid, uh racialist uh, ethno-nationalists.
And the only reason you can find uh nine only nine dissenting voices in the American Congress is because they finance everybody's uh well, and and well, there's that.
That's part of it, but of course, people are afraid of them.
They're afraid of being taken out, and that let's.
And that's where we're at.
Kevin, the establishment, the system seems to be making reckless extreme moves both at home and abroad, and there is certainly a lot of uh destabilizing going on, and the ADL is a big part of the system.
Let's just, let's just.
Well, the ADL is a big part of a lot that's been going on over the course of the last three years that we talk about every week.
But let's, let's look at big picture here, the culture of critique.
I mean, this was your seminal work.
This is the book that discusses how evolutionary psychology provides motivations behind Jewish group behavior and culture.
Uh, and the big scheme, big picture of things.
How does that play in, or does it play in, to what we're talking about this hour?
Well, it's.
It's a good example that this is an academically published book.
It was published by an academic publisher Prager, and um, that's the kind of reasoned, kind of approach that these people just don't want.
The result is, you can't buy my book on Amazon, you can't buy my book on on uh, Barnes AND Noble and uh, there's just no question in my mind that that's the pressure of the ADL or similar groups like that.
Uh, but presumably the ADL, they're the main uh force.
Uh, you know, for censorship of things they don't like, but that you know again, that's that's why.
That's why people like us were were banned from twitter.
Uh, because what we're saying really got to them.
I used to reply to the ADL?
Uh on twitter and i'd retweet.
I'd retweet them with a caustic comment on on on what was wrong with what they were saying.
And uh, you know they, i'm, i'm definitely on their, their radar, their their pages on their website.
Uh, about me?
So, oh yeah, no kidding, not on their christmas card list.
Well Kevin, you're not on their radar, you're like in the middle of the of the bullseye.
I mean for them yeah, you've got to be a public enemy, if not number one in the top 10.
I mean, no, you're the guy.
I mean, this has been your, you know, I don't want to say your life's work, but this is certainly one of the things you're most well known for is getting into their psyche.
And, you know, historically speaking.
So, yeah, I mean, you're the go-to guy on this issue.
So I don't know if anybody has a bigger target on their back at the ADL office than you, but anyway, David Duke.
Maybe, maybe.
But anyway, so again, if past is prolonged, what can we expect their continued behavior to be?
And will there be a recoil here as there has been in other places?
Or I guess they're not counting on that.
But I wonder why they can't see that there might be with their heavy-headed tactics.
Well, you know, for Jews, it's always like, you know, one day to the next Holocaust.
They have this sort of mentality that things are bad and they're going to get worse and then there's going to be a calamity.
And that's why we have to fight every little instance of anti-Semitism because it's a slippery slope, you know, and you have to.
That's what you call the lacrimose history of the Jewish people.
Yeah, absolutely.
And so they will, you know, aggressively go after anything that they dislike for that reason.
They think it can blossom.
It can get more traction.
And boy, I tell you, Elon Musk, what he's done is put him in the crosshairs.
He's because he's got millions and millions of followers.
He's got a huge amount of money.
It's hard to really deal with someone like that.
And free speech is enshrined in the Constitution.
It's hard to just go after this privately owned company that they are, you know, that they don't censor enough.
I mean, you know, one of the good things that's come out of this, Kevin, is the new renewed interest in the Leo Frank case, which, of course, led to the founding of the ADL.
Well, and we, yeah, we've talked about that, and that's been talked about, but it should be repeated.
It should be repeated often.
But I think this is just a very interesting thing that's been pitted.
Two forces pitted against each other.
You have the world's richest man and the world's most subversive organization sort of locking horns here.
And we'll see who wins.
But I mean, certainly the ADL was able to make quick work out of Kanye West and Kyrie Irving and some of these other people.
But I think, you know, obviously Elon Musk is you're dealing with a much smarter man, much more accomplished man than an entertainer or an athlete.
But nevertheless, this has been interesting.
And already what has happened has been transformative in some ways.
We'll see how much further it can go.
But it just seems like everything's been put into a blender now.
And we're going to see how it gets served up.
There's just a lot of radical things happening right now that are all sort of crossing paths.
Just you don't know where the explosion is going to take place, but you feel it coming.
You feel it coming.
And that article in the New York Times that I quoted actually went after Greenblatt because he was saying that Musk is like Henry Ford and this great innovator and everything without mentioning that Henry Ford was an anti-Semite and really going after that.
And again, Henry Ford's a good example of someone who employed these guys.
I've read the International Jew.
It came out about the early 1920s.
There's an awful lot of hate facts in there that Elon Musk and Henry Ford are both smart guys.
And as smart guys, they came to the right conclusions about Jewish power and influence.
I mean, I think Musk said this week that the ADL was in fact behind.
I mean, not that we needed him to tell us.
I guess we all knew that they were behind Trump getting banned.
So I don't know.
We got a minute to go.
What do you want to see happen here, Kevin?
I don't want to ask you what's most likely.
The most likely thing is that the ADL wins because that's what's, you know, that's what normally happens.
But I don't think that that's guaranteed to be the case forever.
What would you like to see come of all of this?
Continued awareness, continued noticing.
Yes, for sure, an increase in noticing.
And, you know, it's going to be hard to take down Musk, frankly.
He can afford to lose $44 billion and lose that 60% advertising and take a loss on Twitter.
His other enterprises are fabulously profitable.
And, of course, what can happen is the government really comes after it.
And they mess up SpaceX and they make poor regulations on Twitter.
Yeah, they could do that on Tesla.
And you could see that a real tempt to take them down financially.
We'll see.
And folks, check out Kevin's other articles on this, some blog posts at theocidentalobserver.net.
You write, and Torba wrote how they could really hurt him online, too, and you've documented that.
Check it out, everybody.
Kevin, we'll look forward to talking to you again very soon.
Godspeed, my friend.
Keep up the great work.
You've said you've been a shining light for a long, long time on this issue, and nobody does better work.
We'll be right back with the third and final line.