May 7, 2022 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Electrical banana, gonna be a sudden craze.
Electrical banana is found to be the very next phase.
They call it mellow yellow, quite rightly.
They call me mellow yellow quite triply.
All right.
Well, are we entering into the very next phase of the culture war?
Quite rightly.
That's it.
We'll find out.
As Donovan said.
I'm really excited about the guests we've had tonight.
Again, folks, we are tackling the report that Roe versus Wade is to be imminently overturned by the existing Supreme Court.
And we're tackling this from three different angles: the legal, the moral, and the sexual.
Tackling the legal was Sam Dixon in the first hour, Brad Griffin in the second hour.
And now to tackle it from the sexual perspective is our expert extraordinaire, F. Roger Devlin.
Dr. Devlin, Roger Devlin, he is a contributing editor to the Occidental Quarterly and author of the groundbreaking book, Keith, Sexual Utopia and Power, The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization.
Roger, I am so pleased we're able to close tonight's program with you, my friend.
How are you?
I'm doing fine.
I tell you, James, people who've known me all my life, people who knew me when I was young, would not know what to say to hear me being introduced as an expert on sex.
But thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, I do enjoy talking.
Like the used car place where Keith goes to, we give credit when it's due, right, Keith?
Right.
We give credit where credit is due.
Right, right, right.
Well, regarding the issue of abortion, I'd like to say a little bit about the kind of women who make up the core, what you might call the hardcore of the pro-abortion movement, the ones with the clientele.
Yeah, the funny colored hair who march in the slut marches and the keep abortion legal marches and who are very loud.
And generally, they're the kind of well, yeah, they're not the kind of women you would want to see your son get involved with, are they?
You know, but what's going on here.
Who you want to get involved with?
Or anyone, I guess.
Yeah, everybody's joking about the sex strike.
You've heard, I guess you've heard the feminists are going to respond to the Supreme Court with a sex strike, and everybody's joking that nobody's noticed anything different, even the Babylon bees getting in on it.
But anyway, As I have said many times, when monogamy breaks down, you don't get promiscuity in the literal sense.
You don't get random mating, and you don't get more sex for the average man.
What you get is Darwinian mating.
What you get is women competing to mate with the most attractive men, you know, the highest status or the richest or the best-looking or the famous.
And this is, of course, a pretty small number of men.
And these are the kind of women who I think are, you know, you'll find behind the pro-abortion movement.
They're women who, somebody online recently put it just wonderfully, that abortion is the cause of alpha males and beta females.
These women want to mate with men who are kind of out of their league.
I mean, that they would never be able to get to marry them.
Unusually attractive men.
But they can't realistically hope to keep one of these guys around for very long.
So that's why they need abortion.
They need abortion to, now I'm not talking about people.
I'm not talking about what they call the hard cases, the cases of rape and incest, but that's not what most abortion is, as you know.
I'm talking about the hardcore of the pro-abortion movement, the ones who scream like banshees to keep abortion legal and that sort of thing.
These are just women who are looking for freedom without responsibility.
See, they can actually do that.
A guy can't actually decide that he's going to go out and sleep with 10 different women just because he wants to.
But even an average-looking woman can get sexual favors from a high-status man.
So, you know, thanks to the influence of the Cosmo.
And, you know, you got women wasting their fertile years living this sex in the city lifestyle.
And they need abortion because they, you know, to get around the consequences of their own poor choices.
Keith, let me ask you this.
Keith, when we were talking about this earlier this week, and we were talking about the different angles at which we could attack this from, and we just mentioned them, we've mentioned them several times tonight.
Legal, moral, and sexual.
Why was Roger Devlin a must-have?
Because he has written the groundbreaking insight, which was that men don't do the choosing when it comes to sexual pairings.
That's what men were led to believe would be the result of the sexual revolution.
Every 12-year-old boy dreamt of being Hugh Hefner and having his own miniature version of the Playboy Mansion.
But instead, it gave enormous power to women.
But women, they're not naturally monogamous either.
Men are naturally polygamous.
Women are naturally hypergamous.
They may just want to mate with one at a time, but that person is liable to change on a weekly basis, right?
Roger?
Not quite weekly, but there does seem to be something like a four-year cycle.
Yeah, a four-year cycle, which is how long it takes to conceive a baby and raise it up to where you don't have to be looking after it constantly.
So, yeah, they may not like one-night stands, but four-year stands, it seems to be about the way they're built by nature.
Now, Keith, let me ask you this one more thing.
I'm going to interview Keith about Roger.
I guess is what's happening here.
But very quickly, how can the application of Roger's book, Sexual Utopia and Power, apply, be applied to this issue of Roe versus Wade being overturned, in your opinion?
Well, it's going to change the sexual dynamic, the power politics between male and female in some way, probably.
And I wanted to get Roger's opinion about what the likely change is going to be.
First of all, we realize in practical terms, half of the nation is not going to be affected.
There is still going to be abortion on demand in the blue states of America.
Red states, there won't be.
But in those red states, what will be the change?
What do you predict?
Well, I have to say I agree with what Brad Griffin was saying earlier.
I don't see like a really radical change happening suddenly.
They say that politics is downstream from culture.
And so, you know, there's not going to be a change in American culture thanks to a change in the law.
But any, anything.
Hold on right there, Roger.
Okay, go ahead.
Hold on right there.
I apologize, my friend, but we got to take a hard break.
We'll be right back with Roger Devlin.
Stay tuned.
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with Dr. F. Roger Devlin, who is the author, of course, of Sexual Utopia And Power, The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization.
Well, I guess, Roger, perhaps they've been knocked in the nose just a little bit, but to your point in the last segment, I used that thought you had.
Yeah, finish that thought, and then I'll tell you how it breaks down on state lines.
I've got the data.
Well, and anything, anything that moves us back in the direction of traditional marriage will actually benefit men because men, as Keith was talking about, men are in the weak position.
When it comes to sex, men are the weaker sex.
We got bazillions of sperm we're trying to get rid of, and a woman only has 400 eggs in a lifetime, and so that's why they are in charge of sex and why it's so devastating for men if women simply obey their Darwinian urges and limit their mate seeking to a few men at the top of the pile.
Marriage exists not to restrict the amount of sex men get, but to make sex available to the maximum number of men.
And so, yeah, anything that's a fraction of as many men as possible can have a family, can become dad, and it's the best way of dealing with the problem of the strength and unruliness of young men's sexual urges.
The best way to handle it is to marry off as many of them as possible and make dads of them.
Where that's not done, you know, in polygamous societies, you got guys forming bands, forming criminal bands.
It's terrible.
So we don't want that to happen in the West.
All right, Roger, let me ask you this.
So I don't want to say it was a split decision necessarily between Sam and Brad and even those of us here on the hosting staff tonight, but there was a variety of takes on the overall application of the overturning of Roe versus Wade.
In your opinion, not so much looking at it from how it benefits men, although I know that's your bailiwick, but abortion to me has not been that big of an issue.
I don't know if we've ever covered it before.
And as I said, we're covering it extensively tonight because it is the biggest news story right now.
I don't think we've covered it much, if any, certainly not to this extent where we're dedicating a whole show to it, but we are covering it in an exhaustive way tonight, and then we'll follow up in June if this comes down and make mention of it then, but for a lot of reasons, because this program typically looks at things from the lens of race.
And so with that being in our minds right now, not talking so much about how this impacts relationship dynamics between men and women.
Is this a good thing, the repealing of Roe versus Wade, in your opinion, Roger, would it be a good thing for our race?
Oh, that's hard to say.
There certainly are more blacks having abortions now than whites.
And that's understandable because they tend to be less forward-looking than whites.
So I mean, it'll help us directly.
Anything that helps white people achieve stable marriages and stable family life is going to help us.
But it could be that it'll help other races even more who need that kind of stability even more than we do.
So, you know, from the point of view of racial competition, I don't know if it's such a big thing for whites as opposed to, you know, it's Greg Johnson at Countercurrents made this point recently.
You know, it may, from a competitive racial point of view, it may not be good for whites.
But in an absolute sense, it will be good for whites as anything would be that enables us to have more stable family structure.
Okay.
Roger, let me ask you this.
You have people, poor people, and a lot of black people are poor people, who have had the financial disincentives for promiscuity removed by the welfare system.
Yes.
It used to be that you had to reckon with the fact that you're going to have to support this child for at least 18 years once it was born, and that kind of put the brakes on unfettered civil rights-style sexual conduct.
But now you have people, poor people, black people, white people, whatever, who have children out of wedlock for the specific purpose of getting financial gain.
Now they can stay at home and get a government check, and if you have more children, you get more checks.
And any change to Baroe v. Wade is not really going to affect that, is it?
No.
So basically, we'll have more children and a much larger welfare bill, basically.
That's one thing that's going to be.
Yeah, that's true.
Now, as I was saying previously, could this be much to do about nothing?
Because, again, it kicks it back to the state.
Well, this is actually what I was going to make a point about.
So I was looking at how this impacts the states under existing state law.
And it basically ends up, Roger and Keith and everyone listening, into a 33, 33, and 33% split.
Roughly, very roughly, but nearly that.
33% of the states have codified Roe versus Wade.
So in those states, they will not be affected at all by this reported overturning.
That's, of course, your coastal states, East and West, plus states like Illinois and Colorado and New Mexico, for example.
And then there are about 33% of the states which will basically have banned abortion.
That's most of the old Confederacy, plus a few mountain west states like Utah and Idaho and the Dakotas, a little bit surprisingly, but the Dakotas are in there.
And then there's 33% of the states that don't have laws that either codify Roe or ban abortion.
And that's a mixed bag.
That's a grab bag.
And that includes states like South Carolina that I think would certainly pass a law banning abortion after this mandate is handed down from the Supreme Court.
So it's interesting to me that it is that split.
But ultimately, is it much to do about nothing?
In the states that are blue, you'll have abortion.
In the states that are red, you won't.
But you can still get, as I mentioned in the last segment, the morning after pills.
So unless you're completely brain dead, if you're worried about there being a pregnancy, you can go.
You can get this at any pharmacy over the counter without a prescription, morning after pill, and you take it, and you don't even have to worry about it.
Will it be, in other words, when all is said and done, more will be said than done?
Yes.
Well, I guess that's the question.
I mean, Roger, is this something that I think to me, the best case scenario in all of this, again, is it good for our people?
Is it good for our race?
How do we benefit from this?
How is outside of the moral ramifications?
I think the way it's good, the best case scenario is I'll give you the last word, but my thing is, if it can hasten a separation or a balkanization or a collapse of the current system, it's good.
Can it do that?
Why do you think it's good overall?
Well, I don't know.
I doubt.
I don't see it really aiding balkanization.
I think it's going to be good for white families.
And I don't actually, you know, although although races are in competition, I don't necessarily have anything against it doing good for black families and other families either.
So I think it's something to be celebrated.
It's not going to solve the racial problem.
It's not even going to solve the abortion problem, as you pointed out.
It's, you know, people still more or less, the different regions are about where they were, I think, back in 73 on this question.
But anything that moves us back in the direction of traditional courtship and marriage is certainly good for our people and should be celebrated.
Well, thank you so much, Roger, for your contribution to the program.
I was just looking back in our broadcast archives as you spoke and going back to 2009.
Roger has appeared on this program 16 times.
It's now his 17th appearance and counting.
And we look forward to the next one already.
Not nearly enough, Roger.
Not nearly enough.
Well, with the passing of Hugh Hefner, now Roger is America's resident expert on sex.
That's absolutely right.
And what are you working on right now, Roger?
What kind of your fans?
I just completed a big long review of a new book called War on the West by Douglas Murray, which will be appearing on American Renaissance, I hope, within a week.
I hope maybe next Friday.
And yeah, that's it for the moment.
You can always read Roger at Amrin.
He's regularly featured there, also at the Occidental Quarterly, and of course, a regular guest here going back now.
Quite a long time.
Quite a long time indeed.
Roger, looking forward to the next time, my friend, as always, thank you for all you do for our people.
And I'll see you soon.
And I look forward to that.
And with that, Roger Devlin, we'll let you enjoy the rest of your evening.
Keith, and I'll be back to wrap up the show in the next section.
Roger, keep it cool up there in the Playboy Mansion.
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The kisses are hers and hers and kiss.
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Take a step at his new.
Take a step on the zoo.
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It's been Three's Company tonight, but not a crowd, Keith.
That's the thing.
With Sam, Brad, and Roger.
That's three's company we enjoy keeping in, do we not?
Oh, yeah.
We've always got a stable of top-notch guests, and we're getting a bigger stable all the time.
But we can't get John Ritter.
No, I'm afraid.
Hadn't he passed on or was he?
It was quite a long time ago, in fact.
Way too early.
I always like to connect with him.
I'm leaving.
Yeah, I think he had just an unexpected heart attack.
But are you a big Three Company fan, Suzanne Summers?
Yeah, I liked it.
Which configuration did you like?
With Norman Fell or with Don Knotts?
Don Knotts.
Yeah, Don Knotts.
In fact, when I think back on it, even though it was before my time, but I watched it on Nick at night.
But yeah, Don Knotts was the one I remember as.
Don Knotts in those triple-knit leisure suits and stuff.
You just couldn't beat that, man.
John Ritter always just seemed like a nice guy.
I don't know.
I just, that was just related to that.
See, Don Knotts was the alpha male wannabe.
All right.
Well, of course, tonight, as I said with Roger, I don't know if we've ever really tackled the issue of pro-life.
A lot of the pro-life advocates make me sick, quite frankly.
I mean, they're not with us on race.
They're not with us on white genocide.
It's overwhelmingly white people, white Christians who are in the establishment pro-life cause.
They're the people that are, their response to this is it's wonderful, but you don't worry.
Nothing else is going to change.
Well, and this is the thing, too.
This is how Alito basically defended the whole argument is that it adversely affects blacks.
And this is what the churches are going to do.
The churches won't fight for anything.
I mean, they'll go to the zoo.
And Bab just will let us down once again, just like they did on the Jewish dispensationalist question.
On this, they're not willing to attack affirmative action.
They're not willing to attack Brown versus Board of Education.
They're not willing to attack any of these other landmark civil rights cases, which Roe versus White Civil Rights, too.
That was actually, actually, AOC mentioned it, but it was also a headline.
That's what they're saying, the alarmists on the left.
But the establishment on the right says, oh, no, no, no, this is the one thing that will change and nothing else, everything else will remain the same.
Well, this was a headline in The Atlantic, and it reads, the headline is, Alito's plan to repeal the 20th century in the next right.
If conservative justices' draft opinion is adopted by the court, key advances of the past hundred years could be rolled back.
To that, I say, I wish.
I wish they would all be rolled back, but I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I am surprised that the conservatives had enough balls to even go after this, but they certainly won't have enough balls to go after anything that matters more.
And to me, if I had five Supreme Court rulings that I could repeal, I don't, maybe this is number five.
It certainly isn't in the top four.
Well, affirmative action is the main thing that is keeping the white Gentiles down in America.
They have basically put us at the bottom of the totem pole now.
Other groups are being invented so they can take rungs higher than us on the totem pole.
You know, we're going to have a lot of children and no way to make the money to support them if we don't do something about affirmative action.
Now, there is a look, I examined this issue, which has not been a big issue in the 18 years we've been on the air.
We've certainly never, if we've covered it at all, we've certainly never covered it for the full three hours.
And we cover it for the full three hours because it is the biggest political story and the cultural story in the world this week.
So we're going to do a deep dive, and we've done that, and we'll move on, and we'll see what happens with this.
But is it good for our people?
Is it good for our people?
That's the question.
And looking at this from the perspective of white genocide, looking at this from displacement.
War against morality.
What is the Jewish angle in abortion?
Anything that weakens white Gentiles is a plus in their mind.
Okay, but I don't know if this weakens us or helps us to have this pass.
I really don't.
And that's the thing.
I told Sam when I was on the phone with him before the show, I said, Sam, I'm of two minds on this.
I do believe it's murder.
Look, you look at these ultrasounds.
If you're doing this for a lifestyle reason, if it's not rape, if it's not incest, if it's not life of the mother, if it's not some sort of a deformity, if you're just aborting a healthy white baby because you want to continue to slut around or because it'll impact your career, that's murder.
Look, it is, and it just is, and that's all there is to it.
But, you know, so I could buy into the argument that this should be outlawed flat out.
However, what happens?
Here's what the real question is.
What happens to that great group of fundamentalist white conservatives now that they have triumphed in abortion?
Are they going to basically retire from the culture war?
They're not going to push for the repeal of affirmative action or anything else.
If they do, well, that's a bad result.
We need to get these people energized.
Of course, the left's hysterical reaction to this, a typical leftist overreaction, is a good thing because that keeps them still in the game.
But we've got to basically spread their consciousness beyond the abortion issue to all the other issues that affect the quality of life of white Gentiles in America.
All right.
So as I said before, also, I do have great joy in seeing the left so upset, but it doesn't bring me any pleasure to see the Religious right or Christian Incorporated act as though they've done anything to change.
So, what they're going to do is they're going to throw their tents and they're going to go home.
You know, the only reason that this is done, that this has been done now, the establishment church, which I despise the establishment church as a Christian, I despise that's because they made you an enemy.
Well, that's one reason.
Yeah, maybe it's personal.
But there's a lot more reasons than that.
I mean, of course, their attack on our flag, their attack on our ancestors.
I mean, they're just disgusting.
I actually have more disdain for them than any black or Jew I've ever met.
That's a fact.
But so I hate to see them act as though they have impacted some sort of a decision here because the establishment church, your Russell Moores, your J.D. Greers, they were so vehemently opposed to Donald Trump.
And let's make no mistake about it, for better or for worse, this doesn't happen if Donald Trump didn't win the election because he put those three justices on there that swung this thing.
And the establishment church to a man at the head table, they oppose Donald Trump all the way through the primary season and many through the general election, in fact.
And this doesn't happen without Donald Trump.
So I don't, look, I love to see the left miserable, but I don't like to see the establishment right, the Conservative Incorporated, certainly the establishment church, this group of apostates.
I don't like to see them feel as though they've done anything because they haven't.
They have been part and parcel and ally with those who hate Christ and who hate our people.
Well, just listen to their sermons.
They are basically on the same page with the cultural left on everything except abortion.
Now, are they going to fold their tents and say, we've won the war now, let's all go home?
And meanwhile, the left continues to transform America in ways that basically flaunt God's word and the, you know, for example, homosexual rights.
Homosexual rights, well, they really don't want to get involved in that.
Do they want to get involved in gay marriage?
No.
Do they want to get involved with transgenderism?
They'd rather not.
The only thing that they really were zealous about getting involved in is abortion.
Now that they have so-called won the abortion through, and again, we don't know what's going to happen.
Something could happen.
One of the five could be assassinated.
You know, that was actually one of the things I wanted to talk a little bit more with Sam Dixon about.
And we talked about it just for the last waning minutes of his final segment.
This whole thing with the leak.
And I don't think we paid enough attention to that.
So this was something that when you had whistleblowers like Snowden and Assange that were doing things that were harmful to the left, they were all for prosecuting them and destroying them and executing them or whatever.
Pulling them out of wherever they were hiding or had a safe harbor at.
And yeah, but and then now you've got this person and you see Democratic members of Congress and of course the media is thinking he or she, whoever this leak is, has to be protected.
They're just doing what's right and what's noble.
And on the other hand, the people that say, you know, that have the most anti-leek leaker position say he or she should be just barred, assuming that they're a lawyer.
We don't know who did it.
It could have been Sonia Sodomai or herself who's a member of the Supreme Court.
And if it is, what are they going to muster up the courage to do about that?
This is the thing, and this is the thing I don't understand.
Why do we have to wait until June every year for the Supreme Court to come on down from high and issue its decrees?
Why can't they just go ahead and do it?
It's like that song from Fiddler on the Roof, Tradition.
Tradition.
But I'm just saying, you know, if you give them another month to have the political pressure, the bribes, the death threats thrust upon them, any one of them could turn.
And I don't know.
And again, I don't know if that's a bad thing.
I have a figure this issue all the way.
I really don't care.
I don't know how strong they are, really.
And, you know, I guess we'll see if there is a real threat of, you know, danger.
We're going to see separate the sheep from the goats, I guess.
5-4 is a razor-thin majority.
We'll be back.
one more segment on this then we'll move on to other things this coming week.
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One bright and guiding light that taught me wrong from right to.
I've found in mine mother's eyes baby tales.
She told that road all paved.
I'm found my mother's eyes Well, there it is, ladies and gentlemen, I think, a fine way to wrap up this show on Roe Versus Wade, that is, my mother's eyes, by the undisputed greatest entertainer.
No, not just do up, but of any sort, any genre in the history of the world, Frankie Valley Caruso Luciano Pravo, Pravarati.
Move aside, tomorrow is Mother's Day.
I think we should.
I think it is really important that this is linked with that Mother's Day and the repeal of Roe Versus White.
Tomorrow is Mother's Day.
I think we would certainly be remiss if we did not make mention of that fact on this.
This night, this only night that we will be focusing so much attention on Roe Versus Wade, should be a lot more mothers coming up if this is in fact what happens.
But we don't know for sure if this is going to happen yet.
It has been confirmed that the leak is authentic, but this hasn't been what, as you said.
Well, as Stevie Wonder said, it hasn't been signed, still delivered yet, has it, Keith?
Well, it's like they say, the opera ain't open over until the fat lady sings, and the fat lady sings when the opinion is written, signed off on by at least five yes votes bound and entered into the official record of the court.
So a lot can happen.
What they say, there's many a slip before between the uh uh spoon and the lip.
So we've got to sit here and wait.
But you know what will there?
What will happen as a result of this?
It's going to be interesting.
I do know that it will unhinge the left.
What will that be?
Will that have a bad effect on uh Republican prospects in the midterms or will it basically prove once and for all the fecklessness of this new woke liberalism that has come to define the Democratic party?
I'd like to think it's the latter but, as we've said, we'll find out.
I guess this is well.
As one of our friends is writing right now, they're going to move it to the states.
The rest of the agenda moves along unimpeded.
It is the rest of the agenda that frankly, i'm more concerned about, right now at least, and what i'm worried about as much as i'm worried about the left's reaction is the reaction of the conservative right.
Are they going to say, we've won the war, fold your tents everybody, go home?
Uh, you know, this is it.
You'll get a pension check in the mail for engaging in the culture war, but now it's all over everything else that the left wanted to do.
We're a-okay, that is the.
The worst possible result that could come from this is that the impetus and the momentum that we've obtained from this gets dissipated and nothing else is done on the vast array of issues that are bedeviling white gentiles in America today.
All right, you're on to something there Keith, Because, yes, you see now that conservatives, for lack of a better term, are surging in terms of their political power.
The left is, at least for the moment, waning.
This may revitalize them.
But do we want all of that energy that we have to be put into this?
And if it is, it could very well be overturned in another four years, eight years on the outside when the Democrats could potentially retake the Senate and the House based upon the ongoing, and this will do nothing to abate the ongoing demographic shift here in this country.
And if that's the case, then it's a fair victory, and it's going to be a short-lived victory, and it'll eventually be overturned.
In the beginning of the end, actually.
And if the Democrats get control, they'll do all of the worst nightmare things they've said.
They'll get rid of the filibuster.
They'll bring in Puerto Rico.
They'll bring in D.C. They'll get four more senators.
And that's all she wrote.
And nothing will stop them.
And it's on a razor-thin margin that that whole thing hangs right now.
Well, think about this.
You've gone to your church, which professes to be a Bible-believing church.
You've heard sermons about abortion.
Have you heard any sermons against gay marriage?
Have you heard any sermons against transgender?
You still get that in the front of the church.
Occasionally, but not nearly as much as you used to.
Depends on how small the church is.
The smaller the church, the more you get.
Right.
But see, you know, are you going to find anybody preaching against affirmative action?
No, no.
See what I mean?
This is, you know, if that's going to basically cause a division in our ranks, then this is not a good thing.
We've got to keep pressing.
We've got to try to bring America back to principles.
And if anything, you know, all the legal arguments against Roe versus Wade, that it was a constitutional right created out of nowhere applies equally to the Brown versus Board of Education decision, the Swan versus Mecklenburg decision, the Griggs versus Duke Power Company decision, the New Kent County decision.
All of these decisions regarding integration, regarding affirmative action, things like this, those things are still there.
And if we don't change those, we are going to, we're going to go from the first to the last.
We will be the low man and woman on the totem pole in American society.
Everybody will get preference for jobs, for admission to selective colleges, universities, and professional schools over your children.
And you are being made into the new serfs of America.
And America's churches sit idly by the people that supposedly represent these people and speak for these people.
And they're going to be okay with all that.
You know what's so funny about it is just like everything, every issue out there, it all comes down to race at the end of it all.
You boil it down to where there's nothing more than the base.
And it's race because white Christians are the ones that have driven this thing.
White Christians elected Donald Trump, and it's because of Donald Trump that we have this court that is apparently ready to give back to its base, this ruling.
But it was white people who did it.
And when white people are no longer the majority, abortion will no longer be protected and no longer will a lot of other things.
It all comes down to race.
And unless Christians and unless the churches understand that whites matter, that race matters, they'll lose everything every time like they're going to be able to do it.
Can you imagine a black church that will not stand up and show solidarity with their black members?
But can you think of a white church doing the same thing?
I mean, they would run from it like it was a typhoid or, you know, the plague.
See, this is what we need to worry about.
We need to worry about what happens in the future.
The biggest threat is third world immigration.
What church have you heard speak out against third world immigration?
The silence is deafening from fundamentalist churches and then Catholic churches, Lutheran churches, groups like this are actually on the side of unfettered third world immigration.
I disagree with you on a little bit of that.
And the only reason I disagree with you is that what do we determine that the church is?
Is the church the leadership or the people in the pews?
The people in the pews, the Southern Baptists, overwhelmingly against immigration.
But the leadership, of course, is totally in the tank for it.
Well, they don't interview the people in the pews.
What they do is interview the top guy.
But that's fine.
By interview standards, yes, you're right.
But by voting power, white Southern Baptists are still voting for people who they think will curfew.
The white Southern Baptist preachers are telling people how they need to get on board the love train.
Not in the small congregations, but in the big ones.
Well, look, Bellevue Baptist in Memphis, for example.
Bellevue is bigger than 20 small churches, but there are more small churches in North America.
I think it used to be at least, and I think it still is, the biggest Southern Baptist convention church, freestanding church in the whole system.
And I mean, you can't, you listen to what their preachers say on issues like immigration, and you can't find any difference than you can from some radical preacher in the Roman Catholic Church.
Oh, that's right.
But most Southern Baptist churches run 100 members or less on Sunday morning.
So the rural church is still the majority.
Well, see, they can't win.
They came close, but they can't win on putting a conservative as the Pope and Southern Baptist church.
But why that is, is because these poor working class people in the rural congregations can't afford to take a week off to travel to God knows where to attend the Southern Baptist Convention annually.
Well, they do like you and your preacher did.
They kick you out of the church and they kick your pastor's church out of the church.
Well, we never did go up to that convention, but, you know.
That's because you weren't going to be allowed to speak.
You're just going to sit out there in the ante room and wait for the acts to fall.
We had a plan for that, actually.
We had a plan for that.
But I tell you what, we could have made us think of it.
You better believe we would have gotten coverage.
But in any event, the people in the pews are with us, but they don't matter.
The working class, the populace don't matter.
It's always top-down.
Well, see, that's what Ron DeSantis has proven in Florida.
When you can match popular sentiment, the way the people feel, like the people in the pews, with institutional power, like the government power of DeSantis' government against Disney, for example, you can get things done.
But if you don't link those two, then nothing happens on your side of the fence.
And we've got to make sure that our churches stand up for the Bible as written.
And they can't make peace with the devil.
And they want to make peace with the devil.
All right.
That said, this has been a full three hours show on an issue that I'm not sure if we've ever covered before.
I want to wish all of the mothers out there a happy Mother's Day.
I have come to a conclusion, Keith, that none of us would be here if our mothers had decided to immediately.
And I've got a song to sing to end the show.
All right.
I'm ready.
M is for the many things she gave me.
Oh, is that she's only growing old?
T is for the tears she shed to save me.
H is for her heart as pure as gold.
E is that she's ever thinking of me.
Are she right and right, she'll always be.
Put them all together, they spell mother, the word that means the most to me.
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