Feb. 29, 2020 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Ladies and gentlemen, we're about to take a deep dive into the coronavirus.
Fact or fiction, is it a black swan event coming your way soon, or is it much to do about nothing?
We're going to get into that with a man who has done more research on it than anyone I know, and we're going to get to that man in 60 seconds.
Keith, you've got 60 seconds to wrap up the last hours.
Well, there's one thing that was very striking to me in this article about Southern resistance to the civil rights movement.
You know that I've always said that the Highlander Folk School in Mont Eagle, Tennessee was like Paris Island for civil rights workers and that they intended to provoke violence, the Freedom Riders and others.
And here is a quote from this article.
It says, as Jose Williams of the SCLC, that's a Southern Christian Leadership Conference, said, we must pray that we are attacked, for if the sheriff does nothing to stop us, then we have lost.
We must pray in God's name for the white man to commit violence, and we must not fight back.
That's why they were all dressed like little choir boys and girls, you know, with little white shirts and skinny black ties and hornrimmed glasses.
Not a Zoot suit in the bunch.
This whole thing was a staged production, and it gulled all of America, unfortunately.
And you know, though, too, Keith, they certainly had a great assist from their friends in the media.
And, you know, and how much of a resistance move it was that when they were completely supported by the president of the United States, the entire American media and people in between.
Jewish power and influence was behind and orchestrated the entire thing and financed it.
Well, and when you go back to that media, you know, you would have these rabble razzles coming into town and throwing feces and urine on the law enforcement officers in places like Alabama and elsewhere.
And, you know, that never got caught on footage.
Now, we know that that happened because Drew Lackey, who we've interviewed on this program, the man, the former sheriff.
The Montgomery Policeman.
And the former sheriff of Montgomery, Alabama.
And he was pictured in that iconic photo, fingerprinting Rosa Parks.
We got to get off of this.
But he told us this.
We know it from other reliable sources.
And it is confirmed in this article as well.
And then, but also the media wouldn't roll footage until the Alabama state troopers responded to these attacks.
And then that's when you saw the dogs, you saw the hoses.
And who owned CBS, NBC, and ABC then?
The usual suspect.
All right, Tom Kaczynski is the former town manager of Jackman, Maine.
As I said, he has done more research into the coronavirus than anyone we know.
That's why he's back on tonight.
Now, Tom was with us as recently as a few weeks ago.
We were talking about the Democratic primaries and the case for and against Trump's reelection from our perspective.
And by the way, Joe Biden just won South Carolina.
Super Tuesday is coming up on Tuesday, so we'll see what goes on there.
But tonight it's about the coronavirus.
And you wanted to talk about this, Tom, the last time you were on, but we ran out of time.
And then you texted me week before last and said, you're going to want to have me on your next show.
Stay tuned to the news and you'll know why.
And sure enough, Tom's got his oracle up there in Maine.
Everything in the news this week has been about the coronavirus.
So Tom, we got to ask you.
Tom is our Delphic Oracle.
He's going to tell us all about the coronavirus.
We got to ask you.
I mean, what in the heck is going on here?
Because it stinks to me, it stinks to high heaven.
So I'm looking at the number of the infected, the number of, if you could believe the media, and by the way, you can't.
I mean, you know that.
But I tell this story a lot just to show you what the media will lie about.
And they lie about everything.
I got a friend of mine who lives in a hurricane-prone area.
And I've shared this story before.
But sure enough, there was a hurricane coming through his town.
And it was a bad storm, to be sure.
But it wasn't so bad that he couldn't get out and walk.
But he was watching a local news broadcast that was taking place in his town square.
And he said, my gosh, you know, that looks really bad.
It was only a few blocks away.
I've been to his house and I know where the town square is.
And it's only a few blocks away.
And he got out and he said on the TV, it was wind and rain and hail and all this.
And it didn't look anything like what was outside his front door.
So he got out.
He walked a couple of blocks down to the town square and they had a wind machine and an ice shipper blowing hell at the reporter.
So you can't even trust the weather report.
That's a true story.
So when I see 80,000 infected, 2,000 fatalities, you know, that sounds like a flu.
That sounds like, you know, maybe somebody got a bad cold.
Maybe they're 80 years old.
Like a normal flu season.
All right.
So, but you're shutting down commerce.
You're shutting down the economy.
China's like completely shut down.
Symphonies are being canceled.
I saw European soccer.
Two of these clubs played in an empty stadium.
I mean, not that it was empty because people didn't want to come.
They weren't allowed to come.
Zero people in the stands and they played a football game.
What is going on, Tom?
So thank you for having me on.
Let me start with that.
And there's a lot in this.
And I know there is a lot of conflicting information.
And I guess that's part of the story of this as well, what you want to believe and what you want to trust.
And it's difficult to know what is and is not true.
But I've spent a lot of time studying the lab reports that have emerged from a lot of different countries.
I now run, in addition to all the other things I do, I run a show that is on every morning called Coronavirus Central.
It is now the number one rated coronavirus related podcast in America, which is pretty interesting considering I started it three weeks ago.
But there are some things that I've, yeah, thank you for that.
I wish it was with more good news.
But what I would say to your listeners tonight, it is my considered opinion, having done a lot of research, this is a real health threat.
It's something that we need to take seriously.
And I would say it is far worse than the flu because whereas the flu has a mortality rate of 0.1% and a transmission rate of about 1.3 people getting infected for every person who gets this, with coronavirus, you have a mortality rate that is probably between 2 and 5%, which would be 20 times or more.
And you also have an infectivity rate that, depending upon who you believe, is somewhere between 3% and 7.
So for every person who gets infected, they're going to infect 3 to 7 other people.
And this is one of the unique problems with this is that if you can contain it in quarantine, it might not be that bad.
But the fact is the United States CDC has done an absolutely abysmal job about this.
They've only tested in the whole United States at 460 people, even though they've known for other places.
To give you an example, South Korea has tested 35,000 people.
So I think it's real.
I think it's a real public health threat.
I don't believe that 60 different countries at this point would be conspiring to tell a story.
And I think the listeners definitely need to be concerned about it.
Now, to give you a basic understanding of what it is, it's a viral infection that is a modified form of the SARS virus that was so deadly back in 2002, 2003 in China.
There's a lot of questions about the origins of it.
We could talk about that if you want.
It's a long conversation, and I can't give you a straight answer.
I don't know.
But what we do know is that in 80% of the people who get it, usually they experience either no symptoms or mild or moderate symptoms that would look like a flu.
In 15% of the people, there are more severe symptoms that evolve from a flu, a fever, coughing into a pneumonia about nine days in, and that amongst those people, there's often need for oxygen support, intensive care support.
There's also 5% of the people who get incredibly ill and who have viral pneumonia, and that is where a lot of the mortality comes from.
People who are over the age of 60, people who are diabetic, obese, respiratory problems.
So that's an introduction to the disease.
People that are in bad health otherwise.
Is that a fair statement?
They are in the worst shape when we are dealing with it.
Correct.
All right.
Listen, folks, we said a deep dive.
Tom Kaczynski is going to be with us for the next hour and a half.
And then we're going to wrap up the show by remembering our fallen comrade Bill Rowland, who passed away seven years ago this week.
That's going to be at the end of the show tonight.
But a lot of Tom Kaczynski and a lot of talk about the coronavirus.
We'll see how far we can get.
Stay tuned.
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Abby Johnson was once director of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Bryan, Texas.
After a moral crisis, she quit, and now she campaigns against what she once endorsed.
They implement abortion quotas in all of their clinics.
What do you mean, quotas?
You have to perform a certain number of abortions every month.
One of the reasons that I left about that?
Yes, it's in your budget, right there on the line item.
One of the reasons I left Planned Parenthood was because in a budget meeting, I was told to double that abortion quota.
And for me, as someone who had spoken to the media and had said, you know, we're about reducing the number of abortions.
We're about, you know, prevention, all these other services, I was shocked.
So since you actually worked at a Planned Parenthood, give us some sense of the relative number of abortions.
Okay.
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One of my favorite listeners just commented during the commercial break, whether the coronavirus is what they say it is or not.
It's crazy to worry about viruses or deadly diseases.
What are we going to do about it?
Just live.
Tom, there was a movie that came out in the mid-90s.
And as far as Vapid Hollywood Entertainment is concerned, it was a pretty good movie.
I mean, it was well acted.
Dustin Hoffman was in it.
Renee Russo, Kevin Spacey.
You know the movie.
Yeah, there you go.
Outbreak.
Kevin Spacey.
And yeah, yeah, I know about Kevin Spacey, but he's still a good actor.
Well, in the movie, of course, as you know, Tom, Patrick Dimpsey catches a virus and he's bleeding out of his eyes, you know, the next morning.
And anybody who comes into contact with Patrick Dimpsey is bleeding out of their eyes the next day.
And, you know, so it looks like this thing may be spreading, but it's not necessarily, and of course, far from it, a death sentence.
Not the black death of the middle.
It's not the outbreak of disease in that movie.
It's not a death sentence to everyone who gets it.
You've got a 90-plus percent chance of living, even if you do get it.
I know some older people have died, but they could have very well been overtaken by the flu or anything else.
So here's the thing that I've got for you.
Is the media telling us the truth about this?
And if they are, I gave you the story about the weather down there in Florida for one of these hurricanes.
If they are telling the truth, it would be the first time.
And so here are a couple of alternatives.
I mean, either it really did come from a wet market inadvertently and is now beginning to spread, or perhaps it was released.
The level four bio lab.
Maybe that was the case.
Maybe that was the case.
But is it a situation where they're just practicing shutting things down, picking people up and putting them in quarantine or something like that?
Or is it a case where they just want to have a new vaccine to sell or they want to wreck the economy so Trump won't get re-elected?
I mean, is this something that you believe just so happened to happen and now we're having to deal with it?
Or is there some ulterior motive here that they're milking?
Because if people aren't dying, I don't see the big deal.
Okay, so that's a very fair question.
So let me start with an answer that's going to sound good at first and bad at the second part.
I do believe the media is lying as they often do, but I believe they are severely underestimating the nature of the threat.
And I'm going to have to go into a little bit of detail to say why I say that.
Now, we talked about the severity rate of death.
And then under ideal conditions, you are dealing with a mortality rate of this probably between 1 and 3%, which is still very bad, to be honest with you.
Predictions out there from virologists suggest that as much as 70% of the world would be infected.
And if, in fact, let's assume that a majority of the United States was infected, you're talking about 330 million people.
You would see a death rate of 3 million people out of this, which I think is a very large number and far larger than what you see in a flu annually, which is somewhere around 80,000 people.
The reason it doesn't become obvious how bad it is, it has to do with a quirk of the nature of the disease as well as what ends up happening with your health care support.
Now, we talked about how there were 80% of the people who are going to come through this probably okay.
But the problem is that you have the other 20% of the people, or to put it in real numbers, about 65 million Americans needing access to intensive care units potentially all within a two to three month period.
Now, the United States has 100,000 intensive care unit beds.
95,000 of them are occupied at any given time.
You can add potentially 20, 30,000 extra beds by converting emergency rooms.
So here's the crisis, and this is what happened in China.
that they needed to take people into intensive care to treat pneumonia.
They needed oxygen therapy, basically.
And you ended up with a situation, Wuhan had 14 million people, and they only had so many hospital beds.
That's why you saw China rushing to build these hospitals.
In the United States, we're going to have a problem where we will have a capacity between 5,000 and 50,000 beds.
Assuming if people get sick, let's say even half of the people who could get sick get sick.
You're going to have a situation where you're going to have within a three-month period, given exponential progression rates, 30 million people who need to get into ICUs to survive fighting for the same 30,000 beds.
I know that's a scary number.
This is a very serious, dangerous disease.
And, you know, you'll remember when I was last on this show, I told you it was going to be bad and it was going to become a big problem.
And I think one of the things that people don't understand with this is, you're right, people aren't dying out their ears.
But the same way, think of how much money the government makes off of penny tax over the years versus how much money it'd make if they confiscated your house.
Coronavirus, COVID-19 works much the same way.
It infects a huge number of people, potentially as many as five or six billion, and it takes one, two, five percent, 10% out of them.
So individually, the risk is not great, but the social impact is utterly huge.
So personally, I am expecting to see a death toll in the United States out of this.
And I know I'm out there on the fringe saying this, that will eventually go up into the eight-figure total from coronavirus.
And that isn't, I think, anything that anyone would feel happy or confident about.
And at the same time that's happening, we're having shortages that are already starting with antibiotics, key items like heparin that you would use for hospitals.
So there is a supply jam that comes out of China and the problems they have.
And we see cases already starting in California.
Quarantines are going to happen there.
The port of Long Beach is where a lot of things come in.
This is a crisis, I personally believe, is the black swan that America is going to struggle mightily to overcome.
And I know that's not what people want to hear and not what people want to believe, but I have to say what I think is true and to encourage people in the strongest terms to prepare for the fact that I suspect within the next three weeks, you will see the government start to institute mandatory quarantines on the West Coast.
And look, I don't have any more trust of the government than any more listeners of the political cesspool.
My history is well known to your audience.
Nonetheless, this is a real threat.
And all the evidence that I have seen, and I've seen reams of it, suggests that we need to treat it with the seriousness this situation calls for.
Okay, Tom Keith, Alexander, here.
Let me ask you this.
Yes, sir.
First, what is your opinion of the origin of this virus?
And secondly, is it going to peter out more or less like the SARS virus?
Or do you see a different trajectory for this particular disease?
Great questions.
Personally, I believe it was bioengineered.
I think it escaped or was released from the Wuhan Virology Institute.
The reason why is there's a lot of weird quirks with the virus.
The virus has an HIV spike protein.
It's almost as if you were taking, there's a term, it's called a chimera virus, where it looks like they connected different parts of different viruses to create this.
And the epidemiologist will tell you this actually doesn't spread like SARS.
SARS was spreading through the lower lungs, which some people who get really sick have pneumonia with.
But the reason why this has been so much more infective, in fact, there's lab research out that says it's a thousand times more infective is because it acts like HIV and how it penetrates the body through the upper respiratory system.
So do I think it will eventually flame out?
I don't know.
I fear that this may be an endemic recurring virus that we have to deal with seasonally.
And in the absence of other research, I would hesitate to answer that question, but I do think that it is a much bigger risk than people presume it is.
And I think one of the reasons people have been skeptical of it is because they haven't had a chance to see.
I mean, I have.
And even in China, you know, those numbers that James reported, the 80,000 and the 2800, most people who study this know that those numbers are false.
The World Health Organization, whose two biggest benefits or donors are the People's Republic of China and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, has deliberately undercut these for the desire to protect the economic interests of both bankers and the People's Republic of China.
The people on the ground that we've talked to in Wuhan believe the number of deaths and cases were at least 10fold higher.
And those are very big numbers that change a lot of the estimations that are out there.
Now, there are treatment protocols out there that can help with this.
That's the good news.
There are drugs like remdesivir, that's an anti-Ebola drug, chloroquin.
There's a lot of different ways to treat this.
So I don't want to make people feel hopeless about this for those who have more moderate forms of this.
But for the people who are very ill and who are going to need a lot of help, our medical system already has a lot of problems.
This will reveal them.
Folks, we're just getting started.
We still have a solid hour with Tom Kaczynski as we continue to dive deep into the coronavirus, what he thinks about it.
He's one of the most well-read and well-researched.
I mean, to the extent that you can be, this is such a new phenomenon or so-called problem.
But this is a guy that has answers, and he's much more well-read than I am on the issue.
So that's why we're having him all tonight.
We'll be right back.
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Washington State has reported the first U.S. coronavirus fatality.
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San Francisco will end the month with no measurable rainfall, which has not happened in February since 1860.
Reading, Sacramento, and Ukiah will also end the month with no rainfall for February for the first time in recorded history.
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You know, it's a wonderful thing to be able to host a program during which even the hosts are learning from the guests.
You know, that's the kind of show we like to produce.
I've never heard Keith sit so quietly during a 30-minute stretch of radio in our 16 years on the air, but it has been, Keith, has it been a good interview so far with Tom Kaczynski.
It has, and of course, it raises a lot of questions.
For example, do you think, Tom, that they can develop quickly an effective vaccine for this?
And are we looking at annual coronavirus shots just like we have flu shots?
Well, before you answer that, Tom, and that's a question we wanted to get to.
And I think I mentioned it, or at least mentioned it in passing a moment ago.
Now, again, whether or not this was some inadvertent, unanticipated thing that happened to spawn from a wet market, or if it was a released bioweapon, I don't guess we know for sure.
We can't do that.
Lab animals sold to a wet market.
I will tell you, or lab, yeah, lab experiment.
But I'll tell you, they will capitalize.
No matter how it happened, they will capitalize.
There will be a vaccine.
Well, they say never let a Ron Manuel said, never let an emergency go to waste.
To you, Tom.
Well, that's it.
Just one point.
So the bats these come from are located 900 kilometers away from the market where theoretically they were being sold.
And I guarantee you, even though in China they will eat a lot of strange things, they don't send bats as a delicacy 900 kilometers away.
So the bat is out there.
There was a paper that was out there published by Guangzhou University, actually, that got withdrawn three hours after its passage.
But some of us who were watching this closely saw it.
And they said there were really only two sources from which it could have emerged in Wuhan, assuming that it came from a Chinese source.
One of them was the Wuhan CDC, which kept some of these baths that was checking them because they were worried about a SARS outbreak, and they did research there for the whole province area.
And the other one was the Wuhan Virological Institute, which had had a number of people who were researching bad coronaviruses and had done a lot of research on this question.
There's a long, convoluted paper trail of ugly and messy.
So I would start with that.
To the question of cures and vaccines, if a vaccine is coming, it will take more than a year to be able to roll it out.
There is a good reason to suggest that, in fact, they will not be able to create one.
The nature of coronaviruses, SARS, MERS, there are other ones out there, some smaller ones.
They've never been able to figure that out.
And the early research suggests that there's a problem called antibody-dependent enhancement, where basically, in the same way that a flu shot might make some people sicker than the actual flu that they would have gotten otherwise, what we've observed on the early research with the coronavirus is that, in fact, you have this problem where people who would take a vaccine for it would have to deal with something called cytokine shock.
Basically, the virus uses your immune system against you based on some early research we're seeing.
Now, mind you, this is all sort of early.
But what we are discovering, those of us who are researching this every day, is this virus has traits of several different diseases.
Now, in terms of a long-term cure, like Keith was asking about, the thing that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, DARPA, is looking at, and it has had some efficacy in China through blood transfer, blood plasma transfusions, is the idea of directly injecting antibodies into people to resist this.
And I know they are doing some research on that front.
So, I'm not saying a vaccine isn't possible, but I would tell you that this class of disease has never successfully had a vaccine that was made and mass implemented.
So, that's a concern.
Well, let me.
Okay, that's interesting.
That's interesting.
And that was just one of several possible ulterior motives to this craze that the establishment media, which we know lies about everything, has generated.
Now, another one could be bringing down Trump.
Another one could be just practicing, doing a beta test on how easily they can quarantine and shut down.
I mean, you know, say what you will, but the fact of the matter is that they are restricting travel to and from China.
I mean, that is huge.
The economic ramifications could be huge.
They are shutting down sporting events.
They are shutting down a lot of things.
That is happening no matter what.
I mean, no matter what.
It is a good test of them to see the people's subservience to so-called emergencies.
This was another comment that came in from a listener.
It only brings to light the extreme power of a system that's actually incapable of managing anything.
It's all an illusion.
It's fragile.
So I want you to keep that in mind, Tom, and then listen to this and then respond.
Trump has based his whole pitch for reelection on the economy.
I mean, God knows he hasn't done anything he campaigned for originally.
Except that.
Except that.
With China brought to its knees by the coronavirus and South Korea and Japan and now even to an extent Italy and other places, we can only imagine where the global economy will be six months from now.
Probably not as good as it is now.
We've already seen some tremors with the stock market just this week.
Now, again, is that manufactured?
Is it real?
Well, whatever the case, it did happen.
How is Trump's reelection campaign, Keep America Great, going to sound in the fall if the scenes we've seen playing out in China are repeated here?
That's a really hard question to answer just because there's so many unknowns.
But let me break a couple pieces out of that.
I think the Dow will continue sinking.
We'll probably go down to 20,000 or lower.
And I base this on the fact that the supply chains are breaking.
Of the Fortune 1000, the biggest companies in the world, 930 of them have part of their supply chain working through China.
170 of them have critical parts going through there.
So you're having the breakdown of supplies coming out of there.
Use an example of this, the pharmaceutical industry.
97% of antibiotics come out of there.
Electronics, 95%.
So you're going to have that.
you're going to have rolling quarantines that will likely come.
That means people not going to work.
That means there won't be consumer income to be spent.
And you're going to have a credit crunch that happens because we all know that this is a debt-driven economy that has not been based on fundamentals for a very long time.
It's been a run by the bankers and we didn't fix the problems that came out of 2008.
And so the problem.
Tom, Tom, let me say this too.
One of the things that is going to exacerbate this is the prevalence of these just-on-time inventory regimes.
Absolutely.
See, they don't want to order things until the very last minute.
They don't build up stocks and supplies.
So we don't have stocks and supplies of these crucial Chinese goods here in America and elsewhere.
And so consequently, we're going to feel the pain sooner rather than later because of that just-on-time type of.
I'm sorry, Keith.
It's like you said at lunch this week.
Maybe this would be a good thing in the long run.
We can rebuild our industrial.
Well, it's really going to be a kind of nationalist versus globalist thing.
This shows the weakness of a global economy as opposed to a national economy.
I couldn't agree more with you, Keith.
I think that this shows that the idea of interdependence is at the very root of both what's spreading this disease and this economic problem, and the two are related with one another.
And, you know, the government, if you look at it in a broader sense, the government has a couple things they have to accomplish to get through this.
They have to make sure they provide a level of care that people don't get mad, and they have to provide a level of food support for people who are not ready for this.
And the thing I keep thinking about is, let's say you quarantine the state of California.
Who's going to go drive those people food when a whole bunch of those people are sick if you end up with a situation like Wuhan?
This isn't China where you can just go tell the teamster unions you're going to go drive this food in there.
And if you have multiple sites, maybe you try to use the Army Corps of Engineers.
But the fact is, America has been a broken country for a very long time.
All of us are respective nationalists for our regions.
We understand that.
And what I think this is going to potentially do is begin to fracture in a lot of ways, as we will see already happening, you know, states and local authorities fighting the federal.
One great example of this was from Anniston, Alabama, where last weekend they wanted to take a bunch of the people who had been on the cruise ship Diamond Princess.
They wanted to drop them at a facility there.
And the state and excuse me, the city, the county, Calhoun County, Alabama, sued the federal government, reached out to Senator Shelby and made sure that those people were not put there.
And I don't blame them because when you look at this plague cluster that's coming out in Northern California, it came from the government failing to enact solid quarantine measures at Travis Air Force Base, which is just west of Sacramento.
So you're already seeing that tension that we've had for all these other issues.
Now we're going to add economic downturn and people getting sick and food scarcity to that agenda.
This is a very dangerous situation, as much for the economics and the just-in-time supply chains like Keith is talking about as the virus.
The virus is a stress test for how our society functions.
And the question is how much faith do you have in our medical system, our logistical system, and really our ability to come together as a common people?
It's going to be tough.
Well, Tom, we mentioned a comment in passing a moment ago.
I'd like to get your take on it because we're about to come up on another break.
Do you take any hope in the fact that it's, I guess, a backhanded hope, but that this shows the fragility of the system?
You know, when something like this happens, assuming, let's take it at face value for a moment.
Let's just do that for the purpose of this question.
The system is fragile.
The fact that the system can protect us is an illusion.
And this shows, this lays bare that.
The system is more fragile now than it was 50 years ago.
And should that give us hope as dissidents?
America has lived in fantasy land for a long time.
Natural selection is coming back.
The quicker we get to reality, the better service will be.
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Again, to me, this is a riveting conversation.
This is the first time we've taken a deep look at the coronavirus, or at least the whatever they're calling it, and whatever it really is.
This is the first time we've talked about it extensively on this program.
Tom Kaczynski doing a fantastic job of making a case and answering questions to the best of anybody's ability.
I mean, this is something nobody had ever even heard of just a few months ago.
So, Tom, I got three questions.
I want to do a rapid-fire question and answer, and then let you get back and hold court and talk a little more at length that develop some of your thoughts to a greater extent.
But three questions.
Number one, San Francisco has already declared a state of emergency as a result of the coronavirus.
I think that's the first time I've ever heard of a state of emergency being declared since David Duke and I tried to have a conference in Memphis back in the mid-2000s.
But so that's happening.
Italy and the Diamond Princess cruise ship, you mentioned that a moment ago, they now show that Europeans aren't immune to the virus.
The CDC is now, and I trust the CDC as much as I trust any governmental organization.
So take that comment for what you will.
But now they're saying it's likely to be very bad here.
But the question I want to focus on is, are Europeans less likely than others to suffer the most devastating effects of the virus, or is it too soon to know, or is that not true at all?
I think it isn't true.
And let me explain why.
The early research that came out suggested that the only way that people were affected was by something called the ACE2 receptor.
It's called angiotensin converting enzyme.
Basically, it is a way in which the body, how should I put it, takes in certain information.
There's a lot of different proteins that work in the body.
And it turns out that people who are exposed to worse air quality tend to have more receptors for this for whatever reason.
So if you're a smoker or if you live in one of the really smoggy Chinese cities, you would be more susceptible as a form of respiratory illness.
However, what we've learned since then is that there are multiple pathways this infects people.
And in fact, one of the interesting things about ACE2 is it's common in all your sort of tissue walls of your blood vessels.
So if you've seen any of the videos out of China, Korea, Iran, where different people seem like they just fall down, what we think is happening is internal hemorrhaging along that pathway.
So there might have been a slightly higher degree of susceptibility amongst East Asians or people in bad areas in terms of air health to having this.
But fundamentally, we can all suffer this disease.
And the ACE2 receptor is common to all humans.
Okay, another quick answer question.
Our beloved network owner, Sam Bushman, had a bit of malaise a few weeks ago, and he says he's already had the coronavirus.
Now, whether he has or hasn't, he had a lot of the same symptoms.
But he does believe that there are a lot of people here in America that have already had the coronavirus, and it was just unbeknownst to them or any doctors, and they've already moved through it.
Should this be something we view as the chickenpox?
Does everybody get it?
Get through it?
There hasn't been a lot of testing here in America, as you know.
Something like the chicken pox.
You get it.
Some people are going to die, and that's going to be tragic, but we get the shingles later.
We get it, and we get done with it.
Is that something we could look for?
It's a fair question.
And to your owner's point, I do think a number of these cases may have been misdiagnosed as the flu that went through that way.
I think it's totally a function of the numbers and spread of the disease.
I do think this will be much bigger of an epidemic, but even if it ends up being like Spanish flu, there is going to be another side to it, and our medical abilities are far greater.
So there is cause for optimism there, but it may very well end up being an endemic virus.
One of the things that people who are researching this have a lot of question about is if it has any long-term chronic symptoms that are involved with it.
It's sort of a controversial area at the cutting edge of this, but it's the thing that makes me lose sleep at night.
So maybe we can talk about that a little later.
Well, we certainly have the time.
Now, one more question.
And this goes back to Trump and the political ramifications that could be coming from this.
Now, it's hard to say with regard to Trump whether he has been a ringer all along, if he's been compromised, or if he's just easily led.
But we know that he has not presided at all like the candidate that ran for office in 2016.
But he has the opportunity of a white man's lifetime right here as a result of this coronavirus panic, whether it's real or imagined.
And all he has to do is say: the global threat of the coronavirus has forced us to close our borders to all immigrants.
Can he man up?
Now, I know it's almost a rhetorical question at this point.
He is far more worried about the economy.
But let's talk about that.
Let's talk about how the coronavirus affects immigration.
And again, going back.
And getting our manufacturing base back in America so that we're not so dependent upon global commerce.
Immigration, trade, commerce, industrialization, and what was the other one?
Well, economy.
Anyway, question in a way that will probably help.
So I think by the end of next month, not only will we shut all of our borders, the Democrats will be louder about it than the Republicans, if my projections are even correct.
Now, that's a prediction.
But I'll tell you this.
I'll tell you this, folks.
Tom predicted this.
I mean, he told me back when you were last on with us, which was not very long ago, maybe late January.
And you said this coronavirus, you wait and see.
It's going to get a lot bigger and a lot more media coverage.
And now it's just, you can't turn on any feed, open any browser.
It's the top thing everywhere, some story or another.
So you're right about that.
I think that the Democrats would prefer all of us to die before they close the borders.
Well, the areas that are going to be most heavily impacted by this at first are going to be Democratic areas.
Specifically, I'm predicting the cities of San Francisco, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington are going to be ones that are very heavily hit.
Large Asian populations there, a lot of problems that are going to result.
And I think to your larger point, that after this happens, there will be incredible demand to restart industry on a bipartisan basis, and that you will see a period where it will be very popular to onshore different industries so that this sort of weakness does not exist again, if in fact we get through this.
But I think that this will be a reality check that will fundamentally change how people look at things, including a lot of people on the left who have been indulging in sheer fantasy and some of the cancel culture politics and stuff that you guys have so well covered.
A lot of that's going to go away when a real problem results, and this is a real problem.
So in that sense, I think it's a good and healthy thing in the same way that a challenge often is.
What America is able to do with this is an interesting question.
I have my doubt that the country will survive this as is currently politically configured.
Now, I hope that those proved wrong, but I will say, echoing your point, James, the CDC has been incredibly corrupt.
They have done a very poor job of this.
One of their directors actually is Rod Rosenstein's sister.
Her name is Nancy Messeny.
So if you want to go a little bit further down a rabbit hole, there's one that some people might want to take a peek down.
But ultimately, they've done a poor job of maintaining quarantine and containment.
And we're all going to suffer the price because the decision was made to prioritize the economy over public health.
People like me were screaming about it.
And, you know, now we're going to see what happens.
Tom, we have an email for you from a listener in Michigan tonight.
A very informative presentation by Tom Kacinsky.
It causes me to wonder, do you have a medical background?
I do not, but my wife suffers from chronic Lyme disease, which has made me become my own advocate, let's say.
And as a chronic sort of septic disease, I know a little bit more about medicine than your average person.
But no, look, I'm a trend forecaster and I'm someone who's used to looking at numbers.
And the thing about virology is compared to other things, you have to learn a language and an anatomy of it.
But fundamentally, it's about numbers, exponential progression, and how things go between people.
So I don't have a formal medical background, but I've consulted with a number of in my broadcast group.
We have surgeons, we have medical researchers, a lot of people who are highly credentialed who are asking some of the same questions.
And to be very clear to the listeners, we have a lot more questions than answers right now.
And I have always worked from the presumption that we want to assume the worst and work for the best rather than the other way around, which unfortunately appears to have been the combined effort by the CDC and a lot of the professional bureaucracy.
You know, Trump is going to get blamed for this, but honestly, I can't say what the quality of information he's receiving is.
And I think a part of it is that there's a language barrier between the research coming out of China.
They didn't know a lot about this case, which could speak to bad intent from China, and also the lack of the bureaucracy to really get access to that.
There's a lot of things that are a lot of question marks in this.
And, you know, what China's putting out there and the disconnect from reality makes it hard to tell exactly what COVID's going to do here.
And just so people understand the terminology, coronavirus is the class of virus.
SARS-2 is the formal name of the virus.
And COVID is the name of the disease, which is politically correct BF.
But just so you know, all those terms mean the same thing for the purposes of the conversation.
Well, I'll give you a compliment, Tom.
We just got a comment from a nurse who has tuned into the program tonight, and she said, you know, 99%, you know, more than 99% of the people that talk about this.
Including healthcare professionals.
Well, I tell you this.
I got very worried about it in late June or January because I saw China, which is not a country known for endorsing the sanctity of human life, shut down 14 million people in an economic region.
It's basically like their Pittsburgh.
It's a hub region from which a lot of their industrial manufacturing comes.
And that sat very poorly with me.
So I dove into the research.
And I will admit it's become an obsession, but to the extent I think it needs to be, because this is something that has the potential to be a major event, not just in the United States, but in Canada, in Europe, and the nature of this disease that it affects, because our countries have a lot more older people who are dependent upon medical care for survival, I think it will be more damaging to highly developed countries as opposed to less developed ones.
Folks, hang on.
We're not done yet.
We're going to be back with Tom Kaczynski for another two segments of the third hour.
We're going to be joined by PPC super supporter Rich Hamblin, who, like Tom, has taken a keen interest to this topic.
And we're going to remember our fallen friend, Bill Rowland, who was taken into the kingdom of heaven seven years ago this week after he lost his battle with cancer.