Nov. 30, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Well, welcome, everybody, to tonight's live broadcast.
It is Saturday evening, November the 30th.
We hope that each and every one of you had a most blessed and very filling Thanksgiving with your friends and loved ones, your family.
Some of our hosting family is still scattered about this evening.
So you've got the skeleton crew this holiday weekend, but yours truly is joined by one of our most very favorite, not just very favorite guests, but very favorite human beings in the world, my good friend and yours, Jared Taylor, here to help us make sense of all the news that's fit to print this Thanksgiving weekend.
Jared, thanks for being on with us.
How are you?
Oh, it's my pleasure.
How are you?
I am fantastic and always better when you're on and you are on often, and we're thankful for that this Thanksgiving weekend.
Of course, as everyone knows, and we've covered it on this program, but a few days ago, there was a national media firestorm surrounding Trump senior advisor Stephen Miller, and it had to do, in part, with the man who has so graciously returned to the program this evening.
Jared Taylor is the editor of American Renaissance and the author of Paved with Good Intentions, White Identity, and If We Do Nothing, among others, be sure to check out and support his work at amran.com.
So, Jared, I want to take a long, slow burn through this story because I think it's interesting on a number of levels.
And really, to cover it, though, we could do, couldn't do much better than just to have you read word for word your article, all the news that's fit to print there, which was published to Amrin a few days ago.
But let's just start from the beginning, take it slow.
I want to dissect this thing piece by piece.
What happened in your own words?
As I mentioned, this was the biggest news story in the country for a couple of days right before the impeachment hearings kicked off.
And it is still one that is getting major play even this weekend.
They've kept it on a dull simmer ever since.
Yes, it is an astonishing thing, really.
There's, in fact, no story at all, or there shouldn't be a story.
This is based on what I would consider to be a serious breach in journalist ethics.
Namely, a former Breitbart reporter spilled the beans, that is, 900 email messages, to the SPLC.
Journalists are supposed to keep their sources confidential, but here she turns over this private email collection to a very, very hostile source.
And lo and behold, it turns out that Stephen Miller, who is a close advisor of President Trump, is guilty of basically two things.
He has read The Camp of the Saints, and he reads V-Dare, and he reads American Renaissance.
That's all there is.
That's all there is in this whole story.
And that is why, when the SPLC did their trumpeting about Hate Watch here, about the wicked Stephen Miller, they spent only 10% of their words actually quoting his words, which are all quite anodyne.
And then 90%, the rest of the words are all explained to you as, now, why we should be all in a tizzy about this.
It's really, it's just absolutely astonishing.
But that is the only news, that he liked the Camp of the Saints.
He liked Calvin Coolidge's immigration policy.
And oh my gosh, he reads American Renaissance and V-DARE.
So the whole purpose of this is to say, well, first of all, guys like Jared Taylor are unspeakably vile.
Anyone who reads Jared Taylor must be unspeakably vile.
And if an unspeakably vile person works for Donald Trump, Donald Trump is unspeakably vile.
It's just, it's embarrassing how simple-minded the whole thing is.
But there you go.
I was on the first, the front page of the New York Times.
My name is on the front page of the New York Times.
First time that's ever happened.
And I certainly didn't expect it to happen in this way.
Now, Jared, that's hard to believe after your 30 years of experience that that would be the first.
I mean, you've been covered by everyone so extensively and for so long, but wow, it took something like this to actually get you on the front page of the New York Times.
And by the way, folks, at Amrin.com, you can see an image of just that.
It really is astonishing because I call these things, and we say this often, media-manufactured stories.
I mean, this is, well, to put it simply, a nothing burger, I guess you could say.
And you're right.
900 emails, 900 emails.
I am a minimalist when it comes to junk, and I delete emails and threads that have been resolved and text, and I don't like a lot of clutter.
But wow, 900, 900 forwarded, as you mentioned.
Stephen Millard forwarded 900 emails, or rather, in these 900 emails, he forwarded a few suggestions to a former writer for Breitbart that included links to Amrin and V-Dare, which, by the way, folks, as you know, just so happened to be the two most professional, fact-based, and well-reasoned websites in the world when it comes to racial realities, commentary on racial realities, and the impact of unlimited immigration from the third world.
But that's it.
That's all he did.
There was nothing there.
Miller said nothing untoward or uncouth.
There were certainly no racial slurs employed.
But the media reacted to Jared so hysterically.
And over the top, you would have thought that he and the Trump administration had taken a field trip and spat on the grave of Emmett Till or something like that.
What was your reaction to their hysterics?
I am so naive that when I first saw this in the SPLC on their hate watch page, I thought to myself, this is going nowhere.
There is no story here.
Because when you read his own words, I kept thinking to myself, 900 email messages.
This is the best they can do?
This is the most shocking stuff they can produce.
And I think, this is going nowhere.
Boy, was I wrong.
Everybody picked it up.
And then, lo and behold, front page of the New York Times.
I'm just shaking my head in astonishment.
Absolute astonishment.
Now, one thing, though, that we can say positive about this is it looks as though Stephen Millers is going nowhere.
And it doesn't look as though there are any Republicans who are saying, oh, he's a bad guy.
He's got to go.
Unlike what happened to Stephen King, the Congressman, unlike what happened to Darren Beattie and Ian Smith and some of these other people who were just out the door, poof, as soon as there was some sort of email exposure here.
Again, this is really, if this is a story at all, it's about journalist malpractice of somebody saying, okay, I've saved all this email, and here, I'm going to give it to his worst enemy.
Imagine, imagine if somebody like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were treated this way.
She had some sort of some email that she'd been exchanging with a reporter and the reporter says, okay, I'm going to give all of this to American Renaissance.
Boy, that would be outrageous, absolute outrage.
But that is the story here.
An absolute violation of journalist ethics here.
The idea that somehow this tells us something significant about Stephen Miller, that's nuts.
And I made this point to New York Times reporters.
And look, all you're trying to do is smear Stephen Miller and trying to smear President Trump.
There's no news here.
She says, no, no, no.
We're trying to find out how American policy is formulated.
That is the opening salvo.
And yeah, Sam said, at least you formulate policy, Jerry.
Anyway, yes, we have the man who is informing the Trump administration's policy right here, Jared Taylor himself.
Well, that's the media's narrative anyway.
We're going to unpack this thing for the better part of an hour.
How are we going to do it?
Stay tuned and be amazed.
Still much more to come on this story.
We'll be right back.
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All right, we're back this first hour after Thanksgiving with Jared Taylor of American Renaissance.
And we did cover this story a couple of weeks ago, and it's still got life and legs on it, even though if it's not being covered as robustly as it was in those first couple of days.
But nevertheless, Jared Taylor featured quite prominently in this story, along with our shared friend Peter Brimelow.
So we're talking about the media manufacturer story here, Jared.
80-plus members of Congress have called for Stephen Miller to resign.
As you mentioned, it doesn't look like he's going anywhere.
We'll get to that in just a moment.
All of the members of Congress, though, who have called on his resignation were Democrats.
I think that's interesting because the Republicans haven't always closed ranks when there's something politically incorrect about the Trump administration afoot.
But let's get to some of those headlines.
Now, this was covered everywhere.
It was ubiquitously covered in the press, on television, on all the networks.
It was a cycle unto itself.
I thought the timing of the release of the SBLC was a little curious in that they released it right before the impeachment hearings kicked off, which you had to imagine would kind of stifle at least some of the outcry.
But it had big wings, don't get me wrong.
And some of the headlines read like this, Jared.
This was a headline, and this was not an uncommon headline.
They all were right around this mark.
Rolling Stone magazine, this is what a white nationalist administration looks like.
I mean, Jared, I don't think we're breaking new ground here and saying the media is corrupt and they lie and it's ridiculous and preposterous and they should be taken seriously.
But that headline, really, based upon this so-called expose of the 900 emails that really didn't have anything hardly remotely controversial.
But this is what a white nationalist administration looks like.
This alone constitutes the Trump administration as such.
No, you just have to shake your head in astonishment.
And that's why we have this 90-10 split.
10%, his words, perfectly anodyne, and then 90% of the SBLC telling us why, oh, my God, this is awful.
This is horrible.
And apparently everybody read the 90% and didn't bother to read the 10% of the article.
They didn't bother to read his words.
They just read the hysteria that surrounded the words.
No, but, you know, it may be that these people really do believe that if you think that illegal immigration should be stopped, if you think that birthright citizenship is a bad idea, then, my gosh, you're a white nationalist.
You're a white supremacist.
And, you know, you know that these days, because after all, the academicians have told us that all white people are racist and only white people can be racist.
So what do you gain by calling somebody a racist?
I mean, you've got to update Eddie.
You've got to call him a white supremacist because we're all racist, after all.
So maybe that's part of it.
I don't know.
But again, my news sense in terms of the mainstream media was so bad, I thought that story was going to go nowhere.
Shut my mouth.
Yes, I guess even after all these years, we can't take for granted what faux outcry will be.
Now, that basically recovers what everybody knows.
What they don't know is some of your behind-the-scenes experiences.
Now, you touched on that, or with regard to the story, I guess I should say you touched on it just briefly.
But you mentioned in your article, kind of recapping the post-mortems, that Katie Rogers of the New York Times called to ask about your relationship, quote-unquote, with Mr. Miller.
Now, you're always a gentleman, Jared.
That's one of the things you're most well known for.
But this time, you were, I guess you could say, perhaps a little curt.
You know, I lost my patience with her, I confess.
And, you know, when she said, what is your relationship with Stephen Miller?
You know what I should have said?
I said, wow, you know, we go bowling together every Saturday in the basement of the White House, the bowling alley.
Then we go back to his place and snort cocaine and bugger each other.
That's what I should have said.
Oh, gosh.
Can you imagine how happy she would have been?
But I said, no, I never met the man, never spoke to him.
And then she keeps peppering me with questions.
Is he a white nationalist?
Is he on your side?
Do you have an ally in the White House?
I can't read his mind.
Give me a break.
What do I know about any of this?
Are you glad he reads your page?
Of course.
I want everybody to read my page.
And then I told her, flat out, look, you're just trying to smear.
There's no news story here.
Why is it scandalous that he came to American Renaissance and learned about interracial crime statistics that your paper is certainly never going to tell him about?
No, I really just was fed up with her.
I am rarely rude to strangers, but she just got under my skin with this just utter stupidity.
And then she claims, no, no, we're just trying to find out how policy is made.
As you point at the idea that somehow I'm dictating policy to Steve Miller, it's, you know, they have this utter, incorrigible mindset, and eventually I just get tired of it.
I'm a pretty patient guy, but when it just gets rubbed in your face over and over and over, I confess I was not a gentleman with Katie Rogers.
That is hard to believe because you are the consummate gentleman.
You're a gentleman's gentleman.
But here is, there's more to the story than that.
And this is really one of the reasons I wanted to go back and revisit this whole story with regard to Stephen Miller.
You write in your piece, I asked her, speaking of Katie Miller of the New York Times, why it is scandalous for Mr. Miller to read V-Dare or American Renaissance.
Mr. Miller passed along to Miss McHugh, that was the Breitbart, former Breitbart editor, writer, an article we published on Justice Department statistics on interracial crime.
Why shouldn't people with inquiring minds go to our site to find information that the Times would never publish?
That's a very good question.
I mean, you're talking about Justice Department statistics.
This is what he passed along, just the facts, to this Breitbart writer, and now he's a white nationalist for that.
Well, you know, the motto of the New York Times is all the news that's fit to print.
Well, if they didn't think it was fit to print, I guess it was unfit to print.
And oh my gosh, he looked and found something that we didn't think was fit to print, so he's bad, bad, bad.
No, the arrogance of it, it's just pathetic.
And so as I confess, I became ungentlemanly with her.
Well, we've got a break coming up, and we may have to carry this part over into the next segment.
But so people will know, this article came out after you had this direct phone conversation.
And there's more to talk about, actually.
I just got off the phone of National Public Radio.
So some of your listeners may wish to know what kind of conversation I had with those gentlemen.
Well, why don't we do this?
We have about two minutes left in this segment.
I want to go back to the New York Times, but what I'm about to ask you about the New York Times might take a little bit longer.
Give us a quick snapshot of how your conversation with NPR just went.
Well, they were curious to know how come Stephen Miller is still standing, whereas all of these other people just got completely mowed down when they said something untoward.
You know, Stephen King, you know, they stripped him of his committee assignments.
Oh, yeah.
And they had this censorship.
This Congress voted this whole censorship thing about him.
And he voted in favor of it.
Gosh, I couldn't believe that.
That was just the most despicable.
That's right.
That was unimaginable.
Yes.
And all on account of a sentence that I think was completely twisted out of context by the New York Times.
They have him saying, how come, how come, you know, Western civilization is a bad word.
And something about white supremacy and white nationalism.
And they say, oh, he's defending white nationalism.
I'm sure that's absolutely untrue.
Absolutely untrue.
But there's no recording of the phone conversation.
But then you see, then he grovels and said, yeah, white nationalism is just terrible, terrible, terrible.
And I vote in favor of this vote of censure against myself.
But anyway, so NPR wanted to know, well, how come, how come Stephen Miller is still standing?
How come that the Republicans haven't decided that he's a bad, guy the way the New York Times tells him to?
And I just told him, look, he did nothing wrong.
And second of all, I think Republicans are just getting sick and tired of letting the Democrats tell them who they can hire and who they can't.
Hold on right there.
The more we cover, the more that there needs to be covered.
I still have quite a bit to speak with you about with regard to this story and related concerns.
We'll do that when we continue.
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But we were asking Jared to having the conversation about, you know, what has shielded Stephen Miller, whereas he really did nothing more or less than a guy like Steve King.
And there are other examples, Jeff Sessions, Steve King saying he likes Western civilization and only people of that house, you know, can really maintain it.
And we saw what happened to him.
Now, the Trump administration, of course, did at one point a few days ago release a response.
Well, a couple.
They did one in which they pretty mercilessly savaged the lack of integrity of the Southern Poverty Law Center and called them out for being exactly what they are, which I was impressed with.
We read that a couple of weeks ago.
They also made mention of the fact that they consider any attacks on Stephen Miller to be born from an anti-Semitic nature.
So do you think that that in some way has shielded him where people like Steve King couldn't quite get to?
Well, the fact that the Trump White Ops came out and said the SPLC, these are discredited losers who are not paying attention to what they say.
That very strong reply, as you say, just says this guy's not going anywhere.
And if it's very clear that Stephen Miller is not going anywhere, what good does it do for the Republicans to call for his head?
I think that had a lot to do with it.
The fact that people were saying the idea that, you know, come on, he's Jewish, don't pick on him, that's anti-Semitism.
I don't think that has much effect.
I don't know.
It's certainly generally the case that if you are Jewish, people then tend to think that you're very unlikely to be a racist.
And then at the same time, there have been people calling him a Nazi or a neo-Nazi.
Now, that's a pretty extraordinary thing to accuse a guy who's Jewish of being.
No, I agree.
I think it's a harder sell to say that this guy is a so-called white nationalist.
And of course, you and I have always sort of had an arm's-length relationship with that term.
To say the least, I don't like it.
I think it sounds militant.
I think it sounds fringe.
You certainly wouldn't call someone of another race or ethnicity that offers a heartfelt and well-reasoned defense or showcases a heartfelt amount of pride in who they are, such and such nationalist.
Just comes across as something that people gives them an uneasy feeling.
And they use it, of course, interchangeably with white supremacists as well.
But yes, to say that a man, and I don't even know what, you know, to what extent, you know, his background is Jewish with regard to Stephen Miller, but to say that a guy like that with that background, whatever it may be, is a white nationalist, is a tougher sell.
But anyway, let's get back to this is interesting.
The Katie Rogers New York Times interview.
So the first time you're mentioned in that front page story, the article reads, Jared Taylor, the editor of the, well, here it is again, the white nationalist magazine American Renaissance, is a self-described white advocate who has written that newcomers are not the needy.
They are the greedy.
Now, there's a story behind that.
There is a rest of the story to that, as Paul Harvey might say.
What is the rest of the story?
Break it down.
This is interesting.
Well, it's interesting that she quotes me immediately after having quoted Peter Brimelow talking about immigration to the United States.
So the ordinary reader would think that I'm talking about immigration to the United States, and I'm saying these newcomers are not the needy.
They're the greedy.
Well, I guess that has some ring to it, and she may want me to sound very harsh.
Well, newcomers.
In the original sentence, which I had a hard time finding because she did not link to anything that I'd ever written, that's just utterly unlinked claim.
My sentence was, these newcomers are the needy, not the greedy.
She just says, newcomers are the needy, not the greedy.
That's an important difference.
You're talking about a specific group of immigrants.
And in this case, I was talking about immigrants from Syria going to Europe.
At the very least, they're capable of splashing out $2,000 apiece for a short boat ride from Turkey to a Greek island.
Then they got the money to travel over to England or Sweden or whatever they want to go.
And I quoted a woman from Aleppo explaining at the Hungarian border, I decided to leave Syria because I want my kids to have a comfortable life.
Well, okay.
She certainly doesn't sound like she's some desperate person who's absolutely about to starve to death and has to escape war-torn someplace.
In any case, just because you are in a war-torn country doesn't make you a refugee either.
The king can be falling apart all around you, but you have to have a credible fear of persecution for a whole host of different reasons.
So I'm talking about these specific newcomers, not just newcomers in general.
And one of the arguments I would make is, say, I had gone to a prison for violent women, and after having come out, I said I thought these women deserve to be locked up.
Now, would it be journalistic ethics to say to leave out the Vs and quote me as saying women deserve to be locked up?
That's in effect what this Katie Rogers did.
You take out the V's and it's a general statement, whereas I'm talking about a specific group of people.
But that's typical of what media, how media operate these days.
And I've written to the New York Times pointing out this error, and I hope to get some sort of correction, but so far, silence.
Well, hope does spring eternal.
Just to recap, you ride in this piece, recapping everything that we've been covering this evening.
First, by quoting me immediately after comments about the United States, she implies that I am talking about newcomers coming here, which is wrong.
It's out of context.
Second, she provides no link.
You'll understand why if you read what I actually wrote, it was an article about Syrian migrants to Europe.
Miss Rogers quotes me as saying, quote, newcomers are not the needy, they are the greedy, end quote, but she left out the word these.
And again, of course, that goes directly to the heart of the context of it all.
It reminds me of an incident I had that I believe you're well familiar with back in 2016 when we had the interview with Donald Trump Jr. and the headlines read, James Edwards is an advocate of slavery.
James Edwards said that slavery is the greatest thing that ever happened to blacks.
Well, there was a little context missing there.
And of course, the rest of the story in that situation was, and this is very similar here to what happened with you.
A black writer for the Jamaican Observer, going back, I think it was 2006, 2007, a decade before we talked to Donald Trump Jr., wrote that the unintended consequences of slavery had benefited the descendants of slaves to such an extent that you could argue that slavery was the greatest thing that ever happened to blacks.
His words, not necessarily mine.
The author made mention of the fact that blacks in America have a much higher standard of living than their kinsmen in Africa, that they have access to better jobs, housing, medical care, and so on, and that being brought here introduced them to Christian salvation.
It was a very well-reasoned article.
I praised the writer for having the courage to publish it for a major newspaper and said that it's hard for honest people to argue with some of his points.
Now, that was the context.
But what were the headlines?
Donald Trump Jr. Grant's radio interview to pro-slavery advocates.
So, Jared, they are getting more dishonest and corrupt.
I mean, the media has certainly been on this downward trajectory for many, many years, but these are a couple of just glaringly dishonest examples that we're talking about right now.
Yes, I'm talking about these particular newcomers, and I had good reasons for calling them not the needy, but the greedy.
But no, that context is completely thrown out.
Of course, one of the worst examples I can think of, the way the press treated you, and you've talked about this many times, and I don't know if you want to rehash it now, but the fact of your being called by, in a newspaper article, a leader of the Ku Klux Klan, and you've never even been a member.
They seem to think that's just fine.
It's astonishing, breathtaking.
They would never, ever, ever treat a liberal in the same way.
All right.
And of course, the judge upheld that and rewrote defamation law in the state of Michigan.
I mean, it was amazing.
And Jesse Jackson came and gave an award to the columnist who was able to get away with that particular slice of libel.
But, you know, that's the thing about it.
You know, when the establishment media, when you talk about the New York Times, the Washington Post, these major daily newspapers, and many of them, because a lot of them are just copy and paste jobs, once one's out there, they get picked up in the smaller markets.
And whether it's me or you, it's like you write in your piece here.
What if a reader wanted to know what we actually say and searched, in your case, the phrase that the Times quoted, newcomers are not the needy, they're the greedy.
Well, Google's not going to give them a return of your page.
The Times shows up as the number one slot, along with eight other pages, but Amrin, it's absent.
So your own words, the actual source, they can't even find it if they looked for it, which not many people would.
You would think that media giants, you write, would be embarrassed to be so terrified of us.
The Times dare not link to us.
YouTube bans and restricts us.
Twitter and Facebook silenced us years ago.
Amazon bans our books.
Google pretends we don't exist.
When the media distort our words, we have no way to correct the record except on a website that only our readers know exists.
That's a tall order to overcome, and that's exactly what we have been faced with and what we continue to be faced with.
But you know, I continue to be very optimistic.
People come to us nonetheless.
More and more people are waking up.
As I like to say, reality is the most powerful red pill there is.
People, all they have to do is look around and see what's happening.
And people become the folks.
Jared, just a couple of more minutes after the break, I know we got to let you fly, but I like you.
Am glass is more than half full type of guy.
I'm gregarious.
I'm a happy warrior.
You are.
Let's end this on a little more positive note when we come back, and we'll do that in three minutes back.
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Go there for the news that apparently the New York Times refuses to print.
One thing I want to revisit very quickly before ending on a more positive and uplifting note.
You talk about journalistic ethics and how journalists are supposed to guard the confidentiality of their sources and so on and so forth.
And you talked about the Breitbart editor, former editor, leaking the 900 private email messages that sparked this whole thing.
And no one in the media, as you pointed out, has called this as a breach of ethics.
Although there has been a breach of ethics attached to this whole story, just not in the way that you would have hoped for or perhaps expected in a better day and age.
The leak of this information, Katie McHugh, made mention in, I believe, one of the several follow-up pieces that the SBLC has published since the original post that got this whole thing rolling.
In that she thought it was unethical for Breitbart to be so biased towards conservatives.
And I guess you would infer that if they were being biased in their reporting and had a conservative slant that she sees, or at least pretends to see the establishment media as a just the facts, ma'am, type of entity.
When I read that, saying that she was basically compelled to leak this because she had ethical concerns with regard to how Breitbart operates, my eyes, Jared, popped out of my head and rolled around on my desk.
I mean, that's where the deficiency in ethics lies at Breitbart.
It is absolutely astonishing.
Yes.
After all, the mainstream press have a very, very clear agenda.
They have a very, very clear point of view.
And for her to somehow claim that Breitbart was on the wrong side of things, she, of course, was fired from Breitbart because she said anti-Muslim things that they apparently couldn't stomach.
And for her now to be turning on her former employer and saying that they were unethical, this is really a very, very unhappy, misguided, and perhaps even sick individual to be behaving this way.
Also, the idea of turning this stuff over gratuitously, as far as I can tell, nobody was sniffing around.
Nobody had any idea of this.
Here you have private correspondents.
You said, hmm, how can I make a name for myself?
How can I get Stephen Miller in trouble?
This is just slimy.
It's swinish behavior.
But nobody seemed to have noticed or care.
Well, no, I mean, and it's going to be more.
There's going to be more to it.
Sam Bushman and I were talking during one of the breaks, and he was just saying, you know, he feels as though this just portends to what's going to be coming in 2020, that they're already setting the stage, and that they'll revisit and regurgitate all of this, and in fact, probably many of it, going back to 2016 and beyond.
And we're going to see if we thought that the coverage was ridiculous in 2016, and I think he's right, we probably haven't seen anything yet with regard to what they have in store, this onslaught that will happen in 2020.
You know, at one point during the 2016 campaign, there was a New York Times journalist.
I can't remember his name, but he said, the time has come for us to set aside any notion of journalistic objectivity.
We have to attack this man, Donald Trump, because he is such a danger.
We can't pretend anymore to just give both sides.
We have the right side, and we have to stay on the right side.
I thought that was a remarkable admission.
I mean, it was clear that was what was going on.
Yeah, but for him to say, you know, we don't even pretend to be objective anymore.
I thought, well, okay, hats off to him for a certain amount of honesty.
But that is the state of the mainstream media today.
I remember that.
Actually, remember that of all the articles that we collectively have read, I do remember that one coming out, and I remember when it came out, and I remember reading that and having pretty much the same reaction as you.
Now, again, we didn't cover any new ground here.
I think everybody who tunes into this program and reads your work knows that the media is irredeemably corrupt, and there's just not going to be any change there.
If there is any change, they're going to get gradually worse.
But I do think it's interesting to be able to take them behind the scenes as you've been able to do and just tell them exactly how this does, in fact, work.
You know, the conversations that are had and from those conversations, how the story actually gets written and how things are left out, purposefully so.
A word here, a word there, changes the entire context of a statement.
So I do think it is interesting to be able to give them that first-hand perspective on what we have to deal with.
But to close the books on that, we could have just as easily spent an hour talking about a lot of the good things that are happening in the Western world, perhaps more so in Europe, Eastern Europe, especially, and not so much here yet.
Pat Buchanan recently had a column, World on Fire, and he talks about these pockets of resistance that are popping up here and there, thither and yon throughout Europe.
And I still believe, Jared, I say this very often.
It's a familiar refrain.
I don't have to be able to tell you exactly what day it will turn around and what will be the catalyst in our people's awakening.
But the Western world is not going to end with this ridiculousness, with these latest egalitarian advances, and it just gets more and more absurd.
It will collapse under the weight of its own gravity.
I just don't think our people are going to go out this way.
I don't have to have anything necessarily firm to back that up.
I just believe our people are too wonderful and magnificent, and this is not going to be the final chapter of Western civilization, this pathetic, muling, apologetic people that we see right now.
This will be turned around.
Well, good for you, James.
I agree 100%.
There's still, what, 180, 200 million white people in this country.
We're not just going to turn off the lights and dig our own graves.
And you are absolutely right.
We are a wonderful people with a wonderful past.
We're going through a bad patch now, but we are going to have a wonderful future, too.
I am 100% in agreement with you.
What would you say with two or three minutes remaining?
Is something that people can grab hold of right now?
And I know things change, and we thought that Trump was going to be something a little more than what he's proven to be.
I mean, I'm certainly glad that he beat Hillary and for whatever good.
And just the fact that this is a constant narrative, though, I think helps us in some way.
We've talked about this before.
I mean, for goodness sake, if the president of the United States, a man who won't even mention the name of his supporters, you know, he won't mention what he's going to do for, as he puts it, the whites.
He'll say the blacks or the Hispanics or whatever.
But if he is a Nazi and a white supremacist, I think that there are things going on out there that have been good as a result of him being elected, even if we don't have the wall and he hasn't fulfilled a lot of those promises.
But what would you say, Jared, though, whether it be in Europe or with something along the lines of what I just mentioned, or something that on this Thanksgiving weekend, our people can say, you know what, right there, that's something that's good that's happening right now.
Well, I think the very fact that the media are in such hysterics about such a thing as white nationalism, as they call it, the notion that there are white people who have a racial consciousness.
This is right in the center of the national conversation.
Not in the way that it should be.
The right things are not being said about it.
But the idea that you've got Elizabeth Warren, for example, she's got this major platform how she's going to fight white nationalism.
Good grief.
The very fact that they're talking about it is a sign that we are being heard and they are terrified.
The other thing about it is the people at the New York Times, they slant the news and they do this and they do that, and they see their ratings drop all the time.
We are living at a time in which people distrust the press.
They distrust the government to a vastly greater degree than ever before.
This, too, is encouraging to me.
Do you know back in Eisenhower's day, there were about 80% of the people said that they could trust the federal government to do the right thing, all or most of the time.
80%?
That figure is now down to 20%.
A huge, huge drop.
And that's a very healthy change.
And I think that we will someday be back in an America in which you can trust the government 80% of the time.
That day will come.
It won't come for a long time, but we are not just going to roll over and die.
Civilization is run in cycles.
Anybody who studied history knows that.
I guess the 20% that still have faith in the government must be the government employees.
But at any event, yeah, I do think that that's going to be the case.
I think we still have a bright future.
Man, I had a good point I was going to say, but live radio is a cruel master.
Sometimes you forget it.
Well, in any event, it's been a riveting conversation, as it always is with you, Jared.
I'm sure I'll remember it as soon as we let you go.
But what else can we do but our duty?
You'll save it for the next hour.
Yes, we will do our duty.
We do our duty at good old Robert E. Lee.
Duty is the most beautiful word in the English language.
You and I agree.
And continue to do your duty, my good friend, and we will let you fly.
Have a great rest of your weekend, and we'll talk to you again very soon.
Thanks so much.
Always a pleasure and an honor to be on your program, James.
Thanks, brother.
Take care.
Jared Taylor, everybody, be sure to support his work.
Oh, they're making a daily read.
It's one of mine, Amran.com.
He's matchless.
And I think you know that.
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When we come back in the second hour, we're going to be joined by Pastor Brett McAtee.
Now, Pastor McAtee has made three appearances on this radio program, and all three have been in this calendar year.
So he's come on fast and has become a fast friend.
He was most recently with us, I believe, just what, three or four weeks ago.
Winston Smith had him on the night that I was out, and they left a few things on the table.
It's just like when you have any of these fantastic guests, you can't always work it all in and the time allotted.
And so Pastor McAtee had put a Facebook post up documenting some of the things he had wanted to get to, but didn't quite have the time.
Not that any time was wasted.
But anyway, we're going to get to that right now.
I thought it'd be a great weekend to bring you back this holiday weekend.
Pastor Brett McAtee, when we return, stay tuned.
Another hour of the political cesspool is in the can, but don't go away.