May 20, 2017 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome back, everybody, to the second hour of tonight's live sites Saturday evening, May the 20th, as we broadcast to you from AM 1600, WMQM right here in Memphis, Tennessee, going out to the affiliates of the Liberty News Radio Network, and of course, simulcasting online to a global audience.
It's your guest of tonight.
I mean, who in much more news?
He will be known by just one name, Richard.
Richard Spencer is the president of the Institute and co-editor of alt-right.com, brand new website.
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He's the show tonight to discuss the Charlotte'sville rally and the ascendancy of the autopsy.
Richard, are you there?
Yes, I'm here, Jay.
Okay, there.
Sorry, you were getting gerbiled there, but hopefully you can hear me.
No, I can hear you fine.
I can hear you fine.
You can hear me fine.
I said we had just moved into a new studio, so you just never know how all this equipment being tested for the first time live will go.
But anyway, Richard Spencer, National Policy Institute, alt-right.com.
Welcome back.
You know, if we had you on every time you're in the news, you'd have to be essentially a co-host.
But certainly we've tested not.
But certainly we have covered your recent exploits at Auburn.
Belated congratulations on that, by the way.
But wanted to certainly make a point to have you on this week to discuss the much talked about alt-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which, of course, made national news.
So let me ask you this first question, Richard.
What chain of events led you to Charlottesville?
Obviously, it was the removal of the statue and the attack on white identity, but take us behind the scenes from the time you started considering taking action there and how it evolved from theory to practice.
Well, if I take you behind the scenes, yes, it was a literally smoke-filled room.
Lots of bourbon was present.
It was actually at a conference that you were attending, but I think you went to bed early like a good boy.
Oh, was it that night?
I remember that night.
I did go to bed early.
Yes.
Us bad boys were up until three, you know, plotting.
And so obviously, so that was the, that was the immediate cause for the Charlottesville event.
It was, you know, a bunch of guys.
We were talking about stuff we wanted to do.
And, you know, when you get, it's why these conferences like private events and just, you know, little pool parties, whatever you want to call them, are so important because when we get, you know, guys together, we come up with plans and great ideas.
And that's exactly what happened.
But obviously the deeper cause is this really terrible phenomenon of the great erasure of our gods, basically.
The taking away of our symbol, the taking away of our legend.
It's very similar to, and I drew parallels when I was in Charlottesville last weekend.
It is very similar to the end of the Soviet Union.
And that should actually tell us something because at the end of the Soviet Union, these statues of past gods, dead gods, you could say, like Marx and Lenin and Stalin and so on, were being taken down because they were losing sovereignty.
They were losing meaning.
And we are experiencing something like that too in this new America that we're all living in.
The gods like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson shall be forgotten.
They shall not be revered.
And we are seeing it.
We are really living through history.
We just so many people don't know about it.
And there are so many people who are the genuine normie conservative who are reading about this kind of stuff in their paper and they're frowning.
They feel a certain concern about what's happening, but they can't put into words what is really happening.
And that is that the meaning of this country is being drastically changed.
And there is a new history that is being promoted.
And it is not going to include us.
So that's what's happening.
But anyway, just to get to talk about the actual event, I was really along for the ride.
I would love to take all credit for this, but I shouldn't because there were some people, Eli and Evan, just a real quick shout out, who did the brunt of the work.
They organized it.
And then what I think was most amazing is that this was a totally private event.
So we talked to people via email and some of these forums that people are using, and we did not publicly announce it.
And we had 150 to 200 people out there.
And the event was really great during the day.
We did about an hour where I spoke, Mike Enoch spoke, the great Sam Dixon spoke, Nathan Damigo spoke.
Although I couldn't see him, I think he might have been, he's under five feet tall.
I think he might have been under a banner or something.
Supposedly he was there.
Many women were punched in the process.
All right, I'm not attaching Nathan.
I love Nathan, obviously.
But anyway, so there are a lot of great people there.
And then that night was really magical because we all went out after dust.
We brought torches.
Yes, we're being made fun of having tiki torches, but I don't care.
We took what was available and they worked.
And we all marched to the statue.
And some of these photos are just brilliant.
I mean, it made, it brought a religious quality to our demonstration.
And that was just very special.
So actually, we have some videos.
If you go to the alt-right.com YouTube video, we actually have some drone footage of the protest and then also the magical night that happened.
And it's one of the things as well, where I've had all these questions because I've done a couple of radio interviews and they've been like, oh, this was evoking the Ku Klux Klan.
And it's some level.
Look, I'm not a Klan member.
I've never met a Klan member to my knowledge.
I don't even know if this organization is actually in operation at this point.
But the fact is, who cares?
The Ku Klux Klan does not have a monopoly on torches, on fire at night.
That's a beautiful thing that all sorts of organizations evoke in demonstrations.
So I don't care.
You know, if they want to, oh, you're like the KKK, whatever, who cares if that's what they want to say.
The fact is, it's beautiful.
And if we're triggering them by doing something, then all the better.
If these horrible people have lost some sleep, then so be it.
But the fact that it's a beautiful sight, and I was very proud to be there.
It was.
It was.
And of course, Europeans have honored their dead in that manner for millennia.
And we have, of course, I should let you know, Richard, that I spent the first hour breaking down pretty much the who, where, when, and why of the event.
So my audience is certainly going to be well aware of it.
We've been covering it all week on the website.
And of course, anybody who listens to this show is probably getting news from other sources as well.
So I'm sure your triumph in Virginia was well known.
The music for this first break is going to start any second.
And I do mean any second, but I want to say that I thought the torches, well, there's the music, but it was a stunning visual, very creative, powerful imagery.
I'm going to ask you how that idea came about.
Did that come about in that hotel room that I was in a few minutes after I went to bed?
We'll find out right after this, ladies and gentlemen.
Stay tuned.
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Okay, everybody, back with Richard Spencer.
Got a lot of questions this segment, so we're going to work through them as quickly as possible.
But yes, the torches, Richard, obviously that put a very unique flare on this event.
That didn't happen randomly.
Take us to that.
No, of course not.
And I think I might be able to take credit for the idea behind this.
I did insist that we do torches.
But I don't take credit for actually most of the organization, the hard work.
I was actually along for the ride.
Eli and Evan did really all the hard work.
And so my hats are off them.
Well, it certainly was powerful.
And yes, you knew the kind of reaction it was going to get.
But at the same time, we have to send a message that things are changing and men with determination and aggressiveness are coming.
We don't give a you know what.
You know, I mean, it's just like, okay, oh, gosh, were you triggered?
Were you offended by that?
And they would have been offended and called you a Klansman if you'd have shown up without the torches.
So there's that.
But there's one thing you tweeted this week, which I loved.
If only the SCV could definitively prove they're not racist, then everyone would humbly respect Southern heritage.
Elaborate a little bit on the fallacy of that line of thinking.
Well, yeah, the Sons of Confederate veterans are, you know, I actually, wasn't there, you tweeted this.
One of them, one member of their organization actually did defend this.
But I'm sure there was a lot of members who defended it.
The problem is, of course, and this is with any institution, whether it's a church or even the SCV or, of course, any other public institution, the people who sit in the pews or go to the meetings aren't necessarily representative of the head table.
So I'm sure there was a lot of membership.
But unfortunately, those with the authority to issue a press release, they're not any.
It's kind of like the head of the Southern Baptist Convention, Russell Moore or something.
Oh, don't get me started on that.
He's a favorite whipping boy.
Yeah.
But anyway, we were denounced.
Oh, this is the wrong thing.
And it's just such a stupid thing for them to say.
The fact is, look, I actually grew up in Texas.
I was born in Massachusetts.
There were many people there who were not from the South, including organizers.
We see this.
We see the Southern heritage as part of us.
It's part of our bigger, extended family.
And that's why we're protecting it.
If the Sons of Confederate veterans, they want to see Southern heritage as either something that has nothing to do with race, nothing to do with people, or it's actually even worse.
It's some like legal notion.
Like being a true Southerner means that you embrace states' rights and some kind of libertarian constitutionalism or something like that.
The fact is, we see it as identity.
We see even those among us who are non-Southern or say half Southern or something, we still understand that Southern Heritage is part of us.
And we understand that the attacks on these statues are not attacks on constitutional libertarianism or something like that.
They are attacks on the white race and our history and destiny, period.
And so we are going to come out and fight on those terms because those are the terms of our enemies.
And it's all very cute when your enemy is attacking you for your race, when your enemy is attacking you on racial grounds, it's all very cute to start to basically not go to the field of battle, but to go to another field, a smaller field that you feel like you can control and say, oh, this is really about historical inquiry.
And this is about constitutional libertarianism or whatever BS they think the South is about.
We, on the other hand, fight people on the field of battle where the war is taking place.
And that is the field of battle where the war is taking place is identity and race.
All right.
So I want to build upon that with the minutes we have remaining.
And a lot of people would defend the SCV in saying that, of course, they have filed and won quite a few lawsuits.
And I say to that, yes, they have.
And I'm appreciative of that as a son of Confederate veterans, but although not a member of the organization of the same name, yes, they have filed and won lawsuits, but must they be so contemptible while doing so?
I think you can file and win a lawsuit without being appearing as weak in issuing these statements.
If you don't agree with it, just say nothing.
Don't do the work of your enemy.
Now, I would ask you this.
Of course, Richard, the monuments were removed.
In New Orleans, they were removed.
The Lee Monument in Charlottesville will be removed.
Whether we were there or not, they were going to be removed.
So that is true.
It is a six months.
They're going to remove in the next six months.
And the other thing is that actually there are some laws in Alabama and some other states that are preventing this.
That's right.
I agree with you.
The fact is, you know, where is the momentum going?
The momentum is going towards the removal of all of these statues, clearly.
Well, I mentioned in the first hour what you just referenced, of course, the strong legislation in Alabama.
Even Louisiana just passed in the House a little weaker legislation, but still quite stout compared to what was there before, which was nothing.
North Carolina and Tennessee have strong legislation on this front.
No monuments will be moved or renamed at all in at least four states in the South.
And then, of course, in Mississippi, they've still got the Confederate flag as their state flag.
So as far as this issue goes, we've actually probably gained some ground in recent days.
But my point in bringing that up is that the monuments were removed in New Orleans.
It may be removed in Charlottesville.
I would say it's probably likely at this point.
But was this ultimately a case of doing one's duty by demonstrating as a show of force?
Or is this a countercultural expression in which, as you've said before, the politics comes later?
Yes, this was a countercultural expression.
I mean, even, look, even if that beautiful Lee monument that I remember when I was a student at the University of Virginia, and which I saw again, and I find this an amazing work.
But even if that beautiful statue is removed, the fact is, yes, we are also playing meta-politics in the sense of we're playing a countercultural game.
We're trying to get media attention.
We're trying to draw attention to the alt-right and alt-right ideas.
We're trying to kind of just prick people.
We're trying to show them what this is really about.
And we're using this newsy topical controversy as a vehicle.
Of course we are.
But that's how you do metapolitics.
That's how we change culture is that we'll be flexible and we'll see, you know, what is happening, what is controversial, what is powerful or meaningful, and we'll jump on that.
So it is both.
I mean, I certainly want those statues to stay, but I recognize that there are people with a lot more power than 200 all-right people.
And remember, this whole gathering, I think there were maybe like three baby boomers in the entire gathering.
It is all millennials and Gen Xers, and then some older people, actually.
So it is really young people who don't have the political power, but we have a cultural power and we have a way of getting under people's skin, of sending a message, of making national, even international news through an event.
Well, and you mentioned it.
Well, and it's growing, and there is an ascendancy in the alt-right that I know we had you booked for 30 minutes tonight.
If perhaps you could stay through the break and just give me, I don't know, three or four more minutes.
I want to mention the alt-right specifically and then plug your website.
But you had mentioned, of course, that there are a lot of conservatives who would see this and frown upon it.
But at the same time, what you didn't mention is there are all of these young people who are waiting for something stronger to become involved with, and now they're getting that.
Whereas, of course, that never existed before the last few years, but really the last two years.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Conservatism is dying.
I mean, it is dying because of Trump.
It's dying because those ideas are resonating only with people who are older.
I mean, young people are more radical than I am.
I don't count myself rich person anymore.
I'm almost 40.
They are your radicals.
Me and you both.
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We were young once.
But if you don't mind, Richard, just a couple of more minutes after the break, a quick wrap-up on this topic, and then we'll let you fly.
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Though it's certainly not unprecedented, I don't like to make a practice of asking a guest live on the air to stay for an extended period of time after we've agreed on a time because they sometimes could have conflicting schedules.
So I appreciate Richard staying on with us a little bit longer.
Yes, I know that some of the new equipment, there's been a little bit of blips in our audio tonight, but we're doing the best we can with what we've got.
We'll get the tech crew in before the next show.
Anyway, Richard, this is really one of the most important questions I wanted to ask you tonight.
I did an interview with the New York Times this week.
The reporter asked me, it was really a broad interview, wide-ranging.
I don't think it's been published yet, but one of the questions I was asked was my assessment of where the alt-right is right now.
Did I see the movement as united or divided and what direction the alt-right was moving in?
And I think I answered with something like this, that I felt as though the enthusiasm within the alt-right is growing and that the movement is ascendant.
I said that we're seeing more public demonstrations than ever before with confident and intelligent people carrying the banner.
I, of course, reiterated the cliché.
Of course, to us, it's cliché that every day becomes increasingly obvious that groups with different cultures, histories, heroes, languages, and faiths cannot occupy the same living space without conflict, but that identity politics is going to be the future and that the alt-right is filling a void that the political elite left vacant.
I mentioned, of course, that this is today's counterculture, and though it may take decades, I would not be surprised to find my grandchildren or great-grandchildren living in a nation that embrace the tenets of the movement.
I find these ideas to be healthy and that they will become normalized and that the natural order will reassert itself.
You have always said that this is a multi-generational struggle and that we can't get too high or too low with the battles of the day.
Do you think that my responses to that reporter were reminiscent of the Saddam Hussein's PR guy saying they were winning the war as the American tanks rolled past him?
No.
Or do you think that suddenly that could be realized?
It's the exact opposite, James.
I don't want to get too polemical here, but I mean, I think older people who think that we're going to change all this by one little piece of legislation or, oh, let's elect some Republican who's going to be tough on illegal immigrants or something.
Those are the people who resemble Saddam Hussein's PR manager because they're hopelessly deluded if they think that there's one little knob we're going to push.
or we're going to be just one issue movement.
No, we want to change the entire world.
We want to change culture.
We want to change people's consciousness.
So this is going to be much deeper.
It's going to be much longer lasting.
It's going to be much harder in a way.
I mean, great things to achieve greatness, you do have to pay a price.
So there's not going to be some easy fix where nothing will change and we'll just have some cute little Republican go and stop the illegals and everyone will be wonderful and apple pie will be in every household and everyone will love God and the Constitution.
No, it is going to be hard.
It is going to be a terrible struggle that is going to engage multi-generations and will require blood, sweat, and tears.
But through paying that price, we will actually achieve something that the conservatives can never achieve because they're ultimately losers.
We'll achieve glory and joy and strength.
What a great answer.
And so you do see a reality in which that universe exists, that future America.
It is a lot, James.
Everyone knows we're going to win.
That's why they're so afraid of us.
Everyone knows that people like me are going to be ruling European nations and the coming generation.
Everyone knows it.
That's why they're so afraid of us.
People, at the end of the day, people like me are the rulers of the world.
And the kind of sick freaks who make up the managerial elite of our time are not.
And so, yes, everyone knows we're going to win.
Of course they do.
That's why they love me.
And that's why they're so excited when I say things like this.
They're scared and they say how terrible it is and how politically incorrect it is, but they're ultimately excited about it because they know it's the future and they know it's going to be a better world.
Well, they may love you because of the hair, but we got to remember.
And I always have me lane.
I do it with David Duke a lot.
I do it with David Duke a lot when he's on.
We talk about battles past and the years that have gone by.
But I knew Richard when he had a buzz cut.
It did happen.
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Anyway, hey, Richard History, quick hair.
That's right.
Last question.
Last question.
What's next for you?
Before you pick the nation you're going to rule over, the European nation you're going to rule, what's next for you immediately speaking, and where do you see the movement going in the weeks and months ahead?
Not too far-reaching, but just maybe the next few weeks, months, the rest of the year.
What do you see happening?
We're going to do some wonderful public demonstrations, some wonderful hijinks, and you will all hear about it when you hear about it.
So I don't want to give too much away.
But also, I am actually very happy to say this.
There will be a major conference in the fall as well.
I won't go into details, but I've been struggling with venues and so on, but there actually will be one.
So that is get ready for something big in the fall.
But also get ready for lots of small things.
I think where not just my stuff, like with NPI and allright.com is going, but I think where the alt-right's going, it's not just to one conference.
Like we, you know, we've had Amren for 30 years.
We've had, you know, MPI conferences since 2011, and those are great, and I love them.
It's great for everyone to come and, you know, eat and see great speakers from Europe and all that kind of stuff.
But the fact is, I think where we're going now, the trajectory is more towards smaller things.
I mean, Charlottesville was a shoestring budget demonstration that made headlines across the world.
And so we can do more.
We can have more bang for our buck.
We can do more for less of these smaller things and do lots of them.
So I would say you should expect every month we're going to be doing a demonstration that's going to make headlines.
Well, I think if you look at the dollar for dollar assessment of what it costs to do what you did in Charlottesville last Saturday night as we were broadcasting live on the air and the millions, perhaps tens of millions of dollars of publicity that you would have had to have paid at retail price in terms of advertising to get that.
It's just an incredible return.
And we're excited to hear that there are more things to come.
Of course, we knew that there would be.
And we will be, of course, having you back on early and often, Richard.
No, I'm not.
Actually, I'm calling it quick.
Well, Richard, we appreciate all you do.
Altright.com, everybody, to check out the latest on Richard.
And we'll be talking about him the next time he's in the news, which certainly won't be too long.
Hey, Richard, always a pleasure.
Appreciate you.
And we'll talk soon.
Thank you, Jay.
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And yes, indeed, if you want to see what the man looked like with the buzz cut, go to YouTube.
I did an interview with Richard.
You know, we do have a YouTube channel for the Political Cesspool.
I think there's only about a dozen videos on there.
We need to do more.
Now that we've got the new studio and the new office, we will do more, and we're going to do more.
And that was, in fact, one of the reasons we decided to make this leap in acquiring this facility is so we could do more.
And that's going to happen.
And that's coming.
It's just we're so busy every day.
I mean, you heard just earlier in the show some of the things we've been doing the last few weeks.
I mean, that involved travel and it involves a lot of time.
And anyway, we'll get it all worked out.
We're going to do more videos.
But one of the videos that is on our YouTube channel is an interview that I did with Richard back in 2010, I believe it was, seven years ago, if you can believe it.
And we were in Nashville at the time.
We were at a conference, and Richard piggybacked the conference by doing a presentation at Vanderbilt University.
And we had a good talk.
I thought it was a very good talk.
But Richard had the buzz cut then.
That was before he had the new haircut that all the kids are wearing these days.
I can't grow hair.
The testosterone burned it all off in my early 20s.
But anyway, if you're interested in that sort of thing, I guess it's a long way, a roundabout way of saying that we do have a YouTube channel that will have more content going forward.
And so stay tuned for that.
And all good things here at the Political Cesspool.
Now, Richard mentioned a certain SCV leader who came out in support of the all-right rally in Charlottesville.
That is a gentleman by the name of Kirk Lyons.
Kirk is the chief legal counsel for the Southern Legal Research Center, Southern Legal Research Center.
And Kirk has also filed lawsuits on behalf of Confederate causes.
But in addition to that, he is a leader in the SCV in his local camps.
Now, he's not a national leader.
He's not the one who sends out the press releases on behalf of the SCV, but he has been in there for 40 years as a camp commander and other positions.
Now, I was going to have Kirk on tonight to talk about his letter, which we posted at our website just yesterday.
It's entitled I Loved the Torchlight Spectacle, and it is in fact a direct response to the SCV's press releases.
We're going to see if we can get Kirk on the phone.
He's judging a period dance right now.
We're going to see if we can get him on the phone, though, and have him on to talk about it right after this.
Let's hang on and come back to the political sesh pool right after these messages here on the Liberty News Radio Network.
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All right, everybody.
So, Kirk Lyons is a live member of the Sun Veterans.
He's been in it for 40 years.
And Kirk told me that he is judging a period, which I'm presuming is in which the girls dress up as Southern Bells, something like that, something we would all want to see and be at.
Hello, Sam.
Okay.
All right, so we got disconnected there just for a moment, and so we're switching over to an alternate form of communication.
I'm going to deaden my mic here.
So, Kirk Lyons, Kirk Lyons is a lifelong member of the SCV, 40 years, and I found out from a beautiful young lady in Missouri that Kirk had written a pretty eloquent defense, fair defense of the torchlight spectacle, as he called it.
So, this is a member of the SCV defending the actions taken by the alt-right in Charlottesville, Virginia, just a few days ago.
And Kirk is judging a period dance tonight.
I reached out to Kirk and asked if he could appear on the show tonight.
He said he would love to and want to, but he didn't know if he had cell phone reception or would have cell phone reception tonight because he did rural South Carolina judging a period dance, which I assume is a dance in which the young ladies dress as southern bells, and don't we all wish we were there for that?
But we did reach out to Kirk during the commercial break, and we're not able to raise him.
So, we may have him on in a forthcoming episode.
Either way, I was prepared for that contingency, and now I'm just going to break down for you the article that he wrote entitled, I Loved the Torchlight Spectacle.
And here it is.
This is really the most fair thing you could have on, the most fair thing you could imagine being written on this event, coming from an SCV member who sees both sides of it.
And this is what Kirk wrote.
I've been a member of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans for 40 years this summer.
I aged out of the Children of the Confederacy on my 21st birthday, and on that day, past Commander-in-Chief Ralph Green signed me up in the Brigadier General W.L. Table Camp of Dallas, Texas.
I attended my first national SCV reunion that summer in Dallas and went on to help recharter the Major George Washington Littlefield Camp, number 59, as its first commander.
I'm now the adjutant of my camp in Black Mountain, North Carolina.
In the last 40 years, I've been in the trenches with many of my compatriots fighting for the good name of our ancestors.
So, to my brothers in the SCV's Virginia Division, please accept this letter of criticism, not attack, of your ill-advised press release on the recent Charlottesville torchlight rally that only gives aid and comfort to our enemies and confusion and frustration to our community and allies.
The press release conjures up the term useful idiot.
Now, I'm not calling you this, but our dearest enemies, the Marxists who hate us, who labeled all of us as white supremacists, who seek our extinction, have muscled their way into the forefront of anti-Confederatism.
Reserve this term for members of our community who unknowingly do their bidding.
Remember what our mother always told us.
If you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all.
And that is a teaching moment.
Y'all didn't need to say anything at all about the event.
The spineless mayor and piece of excrement, Wes Bellamy, spent enough horse manure to fill pasture.
Y'all adding to that sort of message consoles our enemies and discourages our friends.
I spent the last week defending the SCV to all sorts of fellow Confederates on social media in and out of the organization.
They are mad and feel betrayed.
Long-serving SCV members throwing up their hands and threatening to not renew their membership.
So what was so wrong with the Torchlight Rally?
The answer is nothing.
It was beautiful.
It was peaceful.
It was moving.
It was powerful.
And it was effective.
We all know it was effective.
That's what the city sewer mouse had to discredit it by comparing it to a Klan rally and an act of intimidation.
Of course, the enemy's own recent candlelight event was okay.
The corrupt media and establishment attacked the Torchlight rally because it was effective.
And if the SCV had been behind the event, our masters would not have spared us the use of their trademark white supremacy babble, just like they will not give the Virginia division of the SCV any credit for distinguishing itself from the brave young people with their torches.
Get it to the left, to the media, to the government.
If you support traditional values in general and Confederate heritage in particular, you are a white supremacist.
Bleeding to the press that you aren't gets you no participation points in diversity.
That day, if it ever existed, is over.
The left and media finally pushed the Confederate community out of the mainstream with the excuse of Dylan Roots' crimes in 2015.
And the sooner we own up to that fact, the more effective we'll be.
The political discourse in this country is divided and ugly, very similar to 1850s America.
All know what came after that.
We, of course, will not descend to Antifa's level, but maybe we should look at our brave allies with a little more compassion, especially when very intelligent, well-behaved Yankees, Southerners, Westerners, and Europeans are in that number.
You don't have to agree with everything the torchlight flaggers believe in to applaud them for taking a stand in defense of our heritage.
And if some of the tortures are not Christian, should they not be part of our natural missionary effort?
After all, none of them ever tried to rip a Confederate flag out of my hand.
No one in I didn't tear ever showered me with F-bombs for taking a stand at Lee's Circle in New Orleans.
No one in the alt-right ever raised a slice or made peaceful protesters in front of Jefferson Davis.
And no right-wingers attacked black Confederates in New Orleans.
And yet the left Antifa and others bombard the airways and the streets with overt anti-white hate.
And the SCV's Virginia division labels the behavior of the alt-right as disgusting because they're not willing to be beheaded by ISIS or killed by Antifa without a fight.
I know that some will say this about my advocacy.
They will say that Kirk Lyons is saying all of this because he is one of them.
But like it or not, like me or not, we are all deplorable now.
We are all white supremacists now.
We're all racist now.
The left, their media allies, and most of the government will never be dissuaded from this opinion of us.
We're not afforded the luxury in this late day of our struggle to get pick and choose our allies.
And we certainly cannot let people who hate us and seek our extinction define who our friends and allies should be.
If H.K. Edgerton can work and cooperate with these folks in New Orleans, why can't everyone else in the Confederate community?
Maybe H.K. isn't the all-right favorite Confederate, but at least the al-right hasn't classified these Confederates as race traitors and threatened to kill them as our antifa friends have done.
And that's the point.
SCP Virginia Division, you do get some credit in my book for supporting and paying for lawsuits to protect our common heritage.
You've done important work and I strenuously defend you, my brothers, against the do-nothing charges from others in our community on that score.
But can we, looking inward and without unfriending anyone on Facebook, agree that we can do better in the boots on the ground department?
Corey Stewart, a candidate for governor of Virginia, focused his criticism on the mayor and Wes Bellamy and did not criticize the tortures.
And neither have the Virginia flaggers.
So my brothers, go thou and do likewise.
Or better yet, put your boots on the ground.
And let's hold another torchlight event at the Lee Monument where people of all goodwill are welcome.
Most sincerely, Kirk Lyons, SCV member 1509.
That was the letter written by Kirk Lyons, chief legal counsel for the Southern Legal Research Center in response to the SCV's condemnation of the alt-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, just a few days ago.
Now, again, we wanted to have Kirk on tonight to break down that article for you himself, but he had a conflict tonight and is in an area with no cell phone reception.
He said, give it a shot.
Let's try it.
He wanted to be on.
He would step away if we could reach him.
But unfortunately, we were unable to break through the interference there.
So I just read his letter verbatim.
Hopefully I did the justice.
I think it was spot on, and it is posted for you at thepolitical cesspool.org.
We posted it on Friday.
Well, that's going to wrap up our coverage of what happened in Charlottesville, but I'll tell you, coming up, stay tuned.
An interview that we conducted in 2008, now we're still going to be live, essentially.
I'm going to be introducing and taking this in and out of break as we listen to this interview that Bill Rowland and I bring Brother Bill back.
He lives on.
He's going to be reaching people tonight via the airwaves, even from the ever after.
And Bill Rowland and I interviewed Drew Lackey, the former police chief of Montgomery, Alabama, a man who fingerprinted Rosa Park's book, Martin Luther King.
And he's going to tell you in his own words what that effort was all about, what was really going on there.
This is true history.
I don't know how many people have ever done an interview with Drew Lackey, but he passed away not long ago at the age of 90.
And once I found out that he had passed, I remembered that interview.
I went back and listened to it for myself.
And I said, you know what?
This interview is almost 10 years old.
Let's play it again.
Let's play it again tonight.
And that's what we're going to do coming up next.
You don't want to miss it.
Take it.
Another hour of the political cesspool is in the can, but don't go away.