May 21, 2016 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Folks, third and final live hour tonight.
You know, every show goes by very quickly.
Time seems to fly when we're on the air.
Time flies when you're having fun.
But tonight, the show is going by increasingly quickly.
And, of course, we're broadcasting live.
I've got about half a cow in my mouth right now.
The commercial break came up.
We came out of the commercial break a little more quickly than I was ready for.
But we're here at Amrin 2016.
It is a full house.
It is a full house packed to the brim.
Over 300 people, full capacity in the ballroom.
The fire marshal won't even let anybody else come in here.
And so it is an amazing event.
We've been talking about it for the first two hours.
We will continue to talk about it for the remainder of the program.
But I'll tell you, if you're not here, you're missing out on a lot.
You're missing out on a great meal.
I'll tell you what I did during the last commercial break.
I went down from our little makeshift remote broadcast location here at the conference center and went down to the main ballroom and grabbed me a plate.
And Keith, why don't you tell him what's on my plate, what I'm likely to eat, and what's likely to go back to the chef.
Well, there is a steak, and James will definitely go for that.
He'll eat bone, fat, and meat indiscriminately.
You know, just don't get your hands in the way near it or else you're allowed to miss a finger.
And then it has broccoli on there, and I guarantee you the broccoli will remain pristine on the plate.
James reminds me of Al Bundy in the old Married with Children show.
There was an episode in which he said, I'm so hungry I could eat a vegetable.
Let me tell everybody out there that James has never gotten that hungry.
He has never eaten a vegetable.
Now, I bought him some pills called Veggies for Life to try to get vegetables of some type and variety into his diet.
But I understand he jettisoned all of those.
Well, I mean, the fact that they expired at the turn of the last century.
Well, see, that's the way he likes them.
For example, we'll go to a meet and free place.
In fact, there's one near his house that we go to just about every week.
James will either get a hamburger and fries or he'll buy an entree.
And for the two vegetables, he'll get two orders of french fries.
He's the type of guy that Ronald Reagan would have loved back when he made ketchup a vegetable for the purposes of the school lunch program.
Now, then they've got kind of one of these mysterious half-baked potato or probably a fourth of a baked potato with cheese on it.
Now, it is an interesting looking thing here, isn't it, Keith?
I don't know what it is.
It's some type of mysterious cheese food.
Not any cheese that I could recognize.
And there's a piece of bread.
I guarantee the piece of bread is going down.
All right.
So anyway, I had to set the table, no pun intended, to let you know that I'm going to let Keith take over for about five minutes here because I actually was almost hungry enough last night to eat a vegetable.
It was the first time in my life.
I made it through.
I made it through.
All right, until the morning.
But I got here yesterday right before the conference started.
I got here right about five o'clock yesterday afternoon.
And of course, once I walked in, you know, the party was on and I was being pulled in a lot of different directions.
There's a lot of people wanting to talk to me and to Keith.
And by the time all of the energy had dissipated and we had talked to everyone who was there to meet us, and of course that's the big reason people came here was to meet the people who were going to be here, the speakers and some of the other personalities.
And by the time all that was over, the only restaurant in this hotel was closed.
And we're in the middle of nowhere out here.
All right.
So it'd been 30 minutes for me to go find some fast food.
And so I just had to go to bed hungry.
And I ate lunch yesterday.
And then I didn't eat dinner last night.
And I didn't eat breakfast this morning because I had to finish writing my speech.
I was the first one up.
So I went about 24 hours without eating, ate lunch, and barely made it.
And so, of course, I'm hungry again now.
So I got to do dinner.
I'm doing dinner live on the air.
And I'm going to let Keith let me eat.
So Keith, talk about something and I'll be back.
Well, James.
He's going to be here, but I'll be back in about three minutes.
By this morning, after he gave his speech, James, reminiscent of William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar and Cassius, the character Cassius, James had a lean and hungry look.
And believe me, he is going after this steak like nobody's business.
We should probably continue to you could continue to offer a play-by-play commentary on how I'm eating my food right now.
Well, it's fun to watch this because really, you know, a play-by-play of James eating a steak is something that, you know, that would be a new sport.
In fact, James could be one of these professional eaters, you know, like these guys that goes to Nathan's hot dog.
Yeah, right.
He just swallowed a whole potato, by the way.
All right.
I'll eat you talk about something other than me eating.
Okay.
Well, the Amran conference, let me give you the lineup, okay?
I went through that.
I would like for you, though, to, I mean, of course, all of them were fabulous and fantastic, but different strokes for different folks.
Which speakers really stood out to you the most, Keith?
Well, James Edwards, of course.
He was a leadoff, and we were expecting a squeeze bunt or something.
But instead, James actually hit a home run.
He was, first of all, the only native English speaker, American English speaker in the lineup.
And his presentation was excellent.
It was the best decision I ever made.
And it wasn't about selecting me to be on the program with him.
Although that was high in the running.
Yeah, but it was about becoming an advocate for white people and basically fashioning his radio show around that concept.
And basically, it's what's, you know, he could have become another typical conservative radio jock.
There are so many of them that have talk shows all over the nation.
They're a dime a dozen.
I would have gotten some money, though.
Yeah, he might have gotten some money.
He might have gotten some Jewish power and influence behind him.
But instead, he took the road less traveled, you know, like Robert Frost.
And as a result of that, we now have an international following.
We feel satisfied.
We feel like we're doing something that is really helping the world and enlightening the world.
And James was able to tell people that, you know, you're not banishing yourself to Siberia when you do it.
You've got, you know, he said a lot of people think that if you take a hard right position on anything, it's going to impair your prospects with the opposite sex.
And he said, well, I wound up marrying a model, which he did.
He's got a nice family, a daughter and a son.
And I'm not sure that he's through yet.
And he lives in a nice middle-class neighborhood in a nice suburban area in a setting.
So he really hasn't suffered.
And he's showing people that you don't have to suffer in order to tell the truth, which is a very interesting take on all of this because so many people think that you're basically sacrificing your life by doing this.
Now, another great speaker was Peter Brimlow talking about the Trump tsunami and the future of the American National.
I really did enjoy Peter's talk.
Now, Peter's talk was.
Well, Peter's talk is one we'll get to when we come back because we are coming up on a break.
And Peter mentioned his most recent interview on the Political Cessible during his talk.
But Keith said a lot of nice things about me, so I should glue everyone in that when I mentioned Keith's name, just the sheer utterance of Keith's name during my talk.
It was a very robust and hearty round of applause.
And so they know where the substance comes on the Political Cesspool.
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All right, everybody.
It's hard to believe, but we're starting to come down the home stretch.
About half of the final hour remaining.
What would that be, Keith?
About a sixth of the show remaining?
That's it.
If my third grade fractions are not too rusty.
Well, you know, we've been talking about how great it is to come to these conferences and run into old friends from battles past and to reminisce about the war stories.
And we've had a lot of guests on who have made previous appearances on the show.
But another thing that's great about these conferences is our meeting people, incredible people, high-caliber individuals for the very first time.
And we've got three of those in the room with us right now, Keith.
Right.
From a group unofficially known as the Houston Goyum, I think it is.
Houston Goylers.
Okay, we're going to turn this over.
Houston Goylers.
Okay.
But now I think we decided during the break to let the lady go first.
So I had the opportunity to meet Cecilia for the first time.
I guess just a little earlier this afternoon before we went on the air tonight.
And you are a listener and fan of the show.
Absolutely.
It's good to be here.
But we've never heard from you before.
So just go to the show, folks.
We don't know everybody.
I've met Keith before once before, but it's a great honor to meet the great James Edwards be on the political cesspool.
Yeah, it's great to be here.
Well, thank you for knowing who we are and for listening.
I mean, of course, we appreciate that.
But all right, so your take on the conference.
I mean, asking everybody.
I think I've just been blown away, especially today, by just the sheer number of people here.
And even more than that, the number of young people here.
And I mean, not to signal in the wrong direction, but the number of women here, actually, like, and not just older women, younger women.
Very attractive women.
Yeah, I mean, it's not my place to say.
What about transgenders?
I think there were some female journalists here.
I don't know if they fall into that category.
Yeah, I was talking.
We were making a joke during the break how outdated this facility is.
They only have a men's room and a women's room.
Journalists have been almost, almost across the board unfriendly.
I talked to a...
You know, I was talking...
I'm glad you brought that up.
I was talking to Lana Loctiff, who was here with Red Ice and Radio 314.
And she said, did any of the press try to come up and talk to you?
I said they did.
And commenting on how very rude and unfriendly they were.
And it's unknown if they knew who she was or not, but just, you know, she would just try to exchange pleasantries how it happened.
They identified her as a conference attendee and very much.
Well, I would imagine they're even more unfriendly to female conference attendees.
They can't box them in, especially pretty ones like Lana Fox, you know.
No, it's been tremendous to have both doing a great job covering the conference.
It has been a tandem.
I didn't know she'd be afraid of the title.
The protesters were very low.
Low energy to use the Jeb Bush among them.
The bargain of our time.
Jeb is a mess.
And a very low trap for the pros.
Although the media went to them like a press cat haggle around the protest.
That's outnumbered them.
Did you actually have an interaction with the press, though?
One of the two documents here, and one of them came up a couple people, including Richard Spencer, and she viewed some folks, and I said.
No, I'm sorry.
I don't know what you say about that on look bad.
Well, that's absolutely right.
There's no Optivity Inact, a big part of my talk today.
I hear that we are getting an internet stream.
Hopefully, it's not too bad.
We don't know because we're out of student.
But again, we are at a facility in the woods.
And this modernized since the internet came of age.
And so we're here without the Wi-Fi connected to the studio via our little remote setup.
But we do not have a connection into the wall.
So it's been pretty good night tonight from our producer engineer that break up their while Cecilia was talking about things she had to say.
But now we're going to.
Oh, Keith.
All right.
Break this down like you broke down the meal.
What do we got now?
It's better because it's been served by Don Wassell.
We have of everything here.
I love this.
Now we've got Philip Copperhead in here.
So we've got to sleep.
But we're going to have to take things first.
We've got another one of the Houston crew here.
Pearson.
Is that it?
Okay.
Rue is in the on-deck circle ready to step into the batter's box.
He's going to tell us what he thinks about the conference and what stood out to him.
Yeah, so I'm from the Houston Goyers.
I just want to say that.
I thought they moved to Tennessee.
No, we're keeping the flame alive in Houston.
Yeah, you know, coming here has been great.
It's great to get together with people of like mind that all have the same sort of references.
You know, we've read a lot of the same books.
You know, we listen to the same people.
So, you know, we have all our own little inside jokes and everything.
But, you know, more than anything, what it's really been for me is that, you know, most of the people I've talked to, short of the people that I came down here with, actually, it's their first conference.
And I remarked about that before y'all walked in, actually.
In the second hour, Roger Devlin and I were talking about how I was very much surprised about that and very little surprises me.
But when Jared asked last night how many were here attending the conference for the first time, it was about, I don't know, a fifth?
What would you say?
Well, I think it was more than a quarter.
More than a quarter.
Yeah, so, yeah, I was talking.
Yeah, okay.
And the protesters dropped.
Off mic.
Yeah, everybody's off mic, but you said it was, what, a third?
I'd say a quarter to a third.
A quarter to a third.
And then the Copperhead was talking about how the protesters, we're going to get the copperhead on in a minute, but the protesters really trailed off.
But anyway.
So I was speaking with Jared before, and he actually said that it's over double the largest conference that they've ever had.
And, you know, I think that has, you know, people would like to chalk it up to Trump, but I honestly believe it has a lot more to do with the fact that this movement is just growing.
It's just what's happening.
I think that Trump took a look at it and he capitalized on what is actually happening.
I think he tapped into a stream that was going somewhere.
And there's no doubt that Trump helps.
I mean, there's no doubt that he helps, and he's probably had an effect on the attendance of this conference.
But more than that, at the very least, as much as that, the infrastructure of this movement has really gotten its footing.
And I don't mean to.
Go ahead.
Yeah, so I don't mean to bring it on to Trump, but really what a lot of this is, is we were at a conference, or not a small sort of self-organized conference last year, and a guy there said that this has to be social before it's political.
And that's really what we're working on.
That's something Richard says a lot.
Richard Spencer says that a lot.
He said the politics always comes last.
The political change always comes after a social movement moves the needle.
Exactly.
So, I mean, that's what we're trying to do with the Houston Goilers is we have a solid group of guys that are, you know, we started out, we got together on, you know, for political reasons, but now, you know, we're just buddies at this point, you know, and, you know, looking for more guys.
Well, I know there's a robust crew in Texas.
Yeah.
It's about work with some of the folks that are out there, TRS, others, and it's very encouraging.
Yeah.
Very encouraging indeed.
We have easily 30 solid guys in Texas, you know, and probably 100 that are peripherally involved in some way or another.
And that's enough to make something happen.
I mean, that's enough to make a difference in your local community, to have a voice and your presence felt.
And it will, of course, only grow from there as this climate seems to be shifting more and more in our favor, the political climate.
And we're there to not capitalize on it because I think we laid the foundation for a lot of what's going on collectively, cumulatively.
And the more they push us, you know, the reaction to it is just going to get worse.
So we win either way.
They push harder, we react harder.
That's absolutely right.
And we're going to get our next incredible correspondent on right after this break.
They're playing the music.
We're going to go to a quick timeout, and we'll be back in about three minutes.
Thanks, everybody.
Thanks, guys.
Thank you.
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Keith has left the room momentarily to go get us some water.
You know, you have to wash down this, you know, all the things he was breaking down on my plate.
And then we, you know, we had Don.
Don Wassel, out of the goodness of his heart, he brought us in a couple of pounds of cake.
It looks like hearing cheesecake.
And we're working our way through that.
We got thirsty, so Keith had to be dispatched to the watering hole.
But we're going to continue.
The hits just keep on coming.
We have Carl from Texas, who is part of the incredibly capable and intelligent, successful, attractive youth contingent that is ever growing in our movement.
And Carl, you wanted to hop on and say a little something before you get back to the festivities yourself.
Yes, sir.
Thanks for having me on.
Another member of the Houston Goyers.
So shout out to that.
If you're an alt-writer in Houston looking to get involved in the movement, check us out on the TRS forums.
You can find us on Twitter.
But I also want to mention to everybody, make a shout-out to the veterans of the Karaoke Hall Push in Dallas back in April.
We made a safe space for the alt-right movement in a little dive bar in Dallas and triggered a bartender pretty bad doing so.
It was a good night.
All documented on the right stuff.
Oh, yes, yes.
There was a whole episode of The Daily Show with Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch, who were both present.
And the title of it is The Karaoke Hall Push.
I'll look that one up.
It was a good time and hopefully more to come.
Well, and I look forward to seeing you more as our paths will, I'm sure, converge as things continue to materialize here in this country and this movement comes to take more forum and becomes more effective and more successful.
A final parting shot.
Anything you'd like to share with the audience?
It's been a great conference, a great time.
It's really heartening to see how much this movement has grown in such a short time.
I, too, am fairly new, and I love seeing all of the young people and their, you know, all the good millennials in their 20s looking to make their country as good as it can possibly be.
Well, that's absolutely right.
We appreciate you being a young man getting involved in this and doing it loudly and proudly.
And thank you, Carl.
Thank you, sir.
We appreciate it.
Take care.
Thank you, Mike.
Keith, I thought you went to go get water.
Well, I did.
I left an order with Wooderson, who was here.
Oh, okay.
So Wooderson's going to bring us our water.
Wooderson is in the middle of the middle.
He brings it as long as it gets here before I die of thirst.
All right.
So, look, tell us who we got here.
A man who needs no introduction to the political cesspool.
One of our men in Havana types, you know, one of our correspondents who basically covers the New York area and the wilds of Arkansas at the same time, you know, talking about a strange combo.
Oh, he's got the one and only Matt the Copperhead.
Part of the family, part of the Cesspool family.
Well, thank you, gentlemen.
Thanks, Keith, for that fantastic introduction.
Everybody's here tonight.
Everyone is here.
Friends old and new alike.
Absolutely.
What an outstanding time, really.
I mean, what's the number at now?
350?
It's going to be at 1,000 by the time we get done with the show.
We could do like the left does, right?
We can inflate our numbers.
But no, I mean, you couldn't fit another person in here.
There's no room.
He brought a whole picture.
Look at this.
Hey, Richard.
As a group of Middle Eastern people that won't be identified now will say next year in Jerusalem, I say next year Madison Square Garden.
Let's have Van Fran in Madison Square Garden.
The next NPI is going to feel Madison Square Garden.
Without a doubt.
If anybody can do it, it's Richard, though.
I'm thinking more of a stadium, you know, like a Olympic.
Oh, stadium, something like a little more bigger than that.
I tell you what, though, some of these protesters that showed up, two, by the way, was it three?
Both of them.
One of the guys looked like they just picked him up off the side of the road from an anti-nuke protest or something from the 70s.
He had his Cheech and Chon look going on.
I think they probably did not.
I'm going to let Richard and the Copperhead.
Another man who needs no introduction.
And a man who hadn't been on the show as recently as he should.
I'd like to talk to you in a minute, Richard.
We'll do a one-on-one.
But Richard Spencer just walked into the room, another man who's made huge waves this year.
We'll break that down in a minute.
And when I was in New York three weeks ago, the other guy that I guess was their head protester, he looked like he had the sandwich board for a peep show that he was selling on 42nd Street.
So these guys were, there you go.
It was a horrifying thing.
I do not recommend anyone engage in an anti-fascist peep show.
You're going to regret it.
It might sound funny at first, but just resist it.
It's terrible.
Well, tomorrow does it.
I think they've been demoralized a little bit, in all seriousness.
I think, because they just don't get anything.
Although we did at MPI, they really came out in force, and they actually spent money on signs, which I don't think I've ever seen.
Well, they had these full-color reproductions of My Face and Kevin McDonald's face and Ramsey's walls in the face.
So it's not big crayons matter.
They actually went out walls.
Yeah, they clearly spent money on their horrible signs.
Wow.
But before that, you usually get kind of the typical stuff of writing, you know, bomb Dresden again is my favorite.
Why not?
Other chestnuts, like this kills fascist, and it's a picture of an AK-47 or something.
Yeah.
No longer this guitar, this, you know, the actual, an actual gun.
But fantastic speakers, just a whole cadre of phenomenal people that have been talking.
Today we had a young man from Estonia, 22.
He really knocked it out of the park.
I don't think anyone was expecting it.
And he gave this poetic and fiery speech that reminded me of Jonathan Bowden.
I don't know if your listeners know him.
Was Jonathan ever on the Cesspool?
No, he was never on.
And of course, he's gone on to his eternal reward since then.
But I'm glad you brought up the final speaker of the day, which is, I think, the youngest speaker in American Renaissance history.
I was in here troubleshooting, getting everything set up.
I came in here about an hour early to go through the sound checks and everything like that.
I missed entirely his talk.
So Richard, if you don't mind, break down exactly what it was about and how he delivered it because it sounds like it was pretty sensational.
Yeah, well, it was very impassioned, very poetic speech, and it was identitarianism.
I don't want this to sound too conceited, but it reminded me of something I might say.
But I mean that in a good way.
He just talked about the we're not conservatives, this idea that we can just go back in history.
We can't just return to something.
We've got to make a turn.
We've got to make a spiritual change.
And it was really inspiring.
He's been a mentor to this guy.
I have no, well, he has read my stuff.
That's also nice.
This sounds like I'm being arrogant or something.
But yeah, when I met him, he was like, oh, I've read your stuff.
All that kind of stuff.
So I think what's good about this is that we're really on the same page with a lot of people around the world.
And I would say 10 years ago, definitely 25 years ago, an Estonian nationalist or a white nationalist or an American nationalist, we couldn't talk to each other.
We literally couldn't talk to each other.
we couldn't we're speaking past each other and i think now were we thinking maybe next mpi in vilma or you know forget i Forget Budapest, I'm still banned from the Schengen zone, and Estonia is in there.
But sometime in the future, I think we need to go back to Europe.
Definitely.
I'm thinking Zagreb.
Yeah, that would be beautiful.
I'm definitely thinking Zagreb.
People would love it.
Well, we thought that about Hungary.
Nah, people would be a conservative country.
We went through this thought process.
Croatians would definitely love it.
Trust me.
Or Dubrovnik, you know.
I'm sure Sam Dixon would love to be on the Adriatic or, you know, other people would be, it's just beautiful over there.
Yeah, I know.
I think all these are great.
But I just think it is really important that we're all speaking the same language.
That's pretty remarkable that we've come this far.
And he was making, you know, Pepe jokes.
So he's clearly kind of in this, you know, he's in the alt-right on Twitter and 4chan or something.
But then he was also in that kind of deeper identitarian world as well.
And I think that's where we are.
That's kind of where we've come in this past year.
And so, yeah, it's just really great.
Really impressed.
But I'd say all the speeches were of high quality.
I was impressed with that.
Absolutely.
We had a member of the European Parliament speaking for us.
I mean, folks, where else do you get this than our movement?
Adam?
This is amazing.
Certainly nowhere.
I know I'm off mic.
A final word to you, Copperhead.
Richard, if you could like me to stay to the final segment.
Hey, listen.
This is just a phenomenal time here at American Renaissance, 2016.
And we are growing every year.
The movement's growing.
I think it's phenomenal for Jared Taylor and American Renaissance that they've grown so much over this time.
And our opposition is waning.
Whether they like it or not, they've got to come to this realization.
So God bless everyone out there.
Copperhead signing off.
Let me say this.
What we've, this is Keith Alexander again.
This is by far the largest American Renaissance conference that I've ever attended.
I think Jared confessed it was over twice as large as his largest conference to this point.
And Donald Trump may not have caused the turnout of attendees that we had, but he definitely was behind the turnout in mainstream media reporters covering this event.
Tell us about your impressions on that, Richard, if you would please.
Right.
Well, I love the media, and they love me.
Keith, take us into breakouts.
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Well, folks, perhaps we've saved the best for last tonight in terms of our all-star staple of guests we've had this evening.
Richard Spencer has walked into the room.
You never know who you're going to run into and who's going to run into you at these things.
And I was happy to see Richard.
We haven't even had really a chance to catch up.
There's been so many people being, of course, people like us pulled in different directions all the time.
And we've said hello in passing a couple of times.
But I'm glad you walked in to be the closer this evening.
And of course, Richard needs no introduction to the Political Cesspool's audience, having appeared on the show many, many times over the years.
But he is the president, in case you are tuning in for the first time, which we do have new listeners every week, the president of the National Policy Institute and the proprietor of RadixJournal.com.
And Richard, you have been very, very busy and very high profile more than ever before over the course of the last year.
Kind of break down what has happened in the last year and why it's been a year of tremendous growth and achievement.
It really has.
It's been a tremendous amount of interest of young, smart people of really high quality.
It's certainly been a tremendous amount of new interest from the media.
And I would also say that, and here I might respectfully disagree with some things you said in your talk.
Sure.
The media definitely are out.
Needless to say, they are opposed to us.
But I've noticed a change of the media actually depicting us more objectively.
And I think it's a case of how many articles about flaming crosses can you write before it gets boring and you actually have to talk about what we actually think.
And I think this is also a year of this term alt-right taking on a life of its own and becoming a banner that we all are fighting under.
Even though we might have different battles and we might have different ideas, it really has been a unifying theme.
And I think that's a great thing.
As I was saying just before, off air, I did coin that term alt-right.
And popularized it to a great extent.
Yes.
However, and I'm not just saying this, this is not false modesty at all.
The reason why it is now so much more popular and it's been, I think it's been given some new meanings.
It hasn't changed dramatically.
it's given some new meanings new character new colors is because i didn't control it and so you left it room to breathe and to grow and to evolve Exactly.
Alt Spencer's program or Richard Spencer's personality.
It was what I imagined alt-right to be was a liberation from mainstream conservatism.
And we need to start thinking differently.
We don't just have a few policy differences with Ted Cruz.
We see the world fundamentally differently than he does.
And that was what it was about.
It was about getting away from conservatism as we know it.
That's what I was about.
And I think it's still like that.
But I think it's in a way been kind of filled in with some things.
It's taken on a bigger.
I don't know.
You know, who knows?
You never know what meme will catch on and what will die.
But I think it is here to stay.
And I think also there's just a recognition amongst the media that when you say alt-right, that means something.
They know what you're talking about.
Well, and not only that, it's permeated the establishment as well.
I mean, you're talking about a group of dissidents and outsiders, and I mean that affectionately.
And that's what we are right now.
We're the counterculture.
And we're, I think, greatly growing into the new establishment.
And I think the day may come and perhaps the not too distant future where everything is turned upside down and we are the establishment again.
Right.
In the near future, I don't think we're going to be the establishment.
But what I do think we can be is the new right, the new conservatives, in the sense that the conservative movement, and by here, let me stress, I'm not talking about small C conservatives, people who value their community and their family and things like that.
I'm talking about the ideology of conservatism developed by William F. Buckley and his cohort.
Those people are committing suicide because they have opposed Donald Trump and his phenomenon.
They have opposed him 100%.
They're opposing him 101% at this point in the sense of creating a new party, going for Hillary, so on.
And they are effectively committing suicide.
And they have also effectively shown the fact that people didn't like them anyway.
People weren't really voting on their grab bag of constitutional legalism, spreading democracy and moral righteous signaling.
No one really ultimately voted for that.
And they have committed suicide.
They are dying.
And there is a space for us to come in.
And I think, again, I don't want to sound overly optimistic, but there is this opportunity for the alt-right to be the new conservative.
I'm very optimistic about that.
And I will be.
And I am not a naive guy, and I'm not a guy.
I'm very grounded.
I don't get too high, too low.
But I think that what we're seeing here will continue to manifest itself.
And again, you know, just talking about the term alt-right.
Well, that's something that you see on Fox and CNN.
I mean, you see the establishment talking heads, dropping these terms now, and conservative, too.
I mean, you know, this was a phenomenon that everybody knows what that means.
And that is a testament to the power and the effectiveness of shaping ideas that this movement has begun to.
Yes, we've gotten under their skin.
I mean, I remember there's this hilarious YouTube video, which everyone should Google when they go home, but it's Peggy Noonan, who's a total conservative.
And she was on there and she says, you know, they call us, they call us, they call us conservative.
I've seen it.
I've seen it.
It was hilarious.
She was like a patient undergoing Freudian psychoanalysis.
She just, she couldn't, she didn't know what was going on.
It was written under their skin.
We've really affected them.
And our memes are the ones that are powerful.
They're responding to it.
I mean, there's no more ignoring it.
It's gotten to the point where it can't be ignored.
How long have we been ignored by those people?
For years.
Ever since I got in, I've been used to the idea that they're never going to mention me.
And now, and now, and this is the truth, you know, every week there's a major article that you're featured in.
Yes, literally.
It's crazy.
They keep writing them.
I mean, they're kind of the same article over and over.
It used to be.
No, and I mentioned that too.
It always is.
It used to be where I would have to respond to some piece, but at this point, I can't respond to them all.
I just, you know, I haven't read them all.
Crazy.
And again, I think it's also incumbent upon this movement that we not let this be just a little boomlet with Donald Trump.
What happens after, and you've made mention of this, what happens after Trump is far more important than what happens after the middle of the year.
Exactly.
Look, Trump might lose.
I don't think he's going to lose.
Trump very well might lose.
He very well might disappoint.
He might build a wall and not really do much of anything else.
It might just be this kind of cult of personality.
I don't know.
But the fact is, we've got to maintain this.
And we've got to maintain it.
I'm critical of Trump by pushing him.
We've got to maintain it by developing, further developing our ideas.
We've got to maintain this by professionalization.
So that's really our challenge.
I was talking with Nathan earlier tonight.
We were talking, of course, about the event y'all had at Berkeley last week, which I watched on Red Ice.
And, you know, the representation is almost as important as the substance.
And we've got the substance, but what we need is articulate, well-dressed, and well-groomed people going out there and aggressively and confidently articulating these ideas.
And I think that's what we were having now more, and especially with amongst the young people.
They've never seen that before.
That's the thing.
They've lived in this world of the stereotype, and we know what that is.
You know, the flaming crosses, the, you know, big, you know, the redneck stereotype.
And nobody can have these ideas unless you're just characteristic and imbecile and have no teeth.
Yeah, that is basically what it is.
But they've never, they haven't really, we're kind of hitting them hard.
And I don't want to sound like anti-Southern or something.
Like, I think you can.
I know you wouldn't do that on the show.
No, I mean, well, I might not get out of this room alive.
But what I mean is that, you know, a true Southern gentleman, not the Southern stereotype.
Right, exactly.
Southern gentlemen is also something they'd never seen before and something I don't expect.
Well, you're dressed like one tonight.
You're wearing linen.
You've got to get me in touch with your tailor.
I mean, well, I can't grow your hair, so your barber would be obsolete.
But even Richard's haircut has sparked a revolution, okay?
Well, I think this is, it is interesting.
It's the Richard Spencer haircut, the fashion haircut.
But again, granted, look, I like fandom.
It's fun.
But I think it's important that we have a kind of subculture, you know?
That we have our own, we have our own little way of, we have our own language, we have our own little in-jokes.
I think that's actually very important.
Well, it's part of a movement.
I mean, a movement is multi-layered, and a movement is not just your positions on the issues.
It's a lot more to it than that.
And what we're talking about is an aspect and element of it.
Yes.
Running out of time.
Let me see exactly how much time we've got left.
A little less than two minutes.
Now, we're talking about what a great conference this has been.
Obviously, you're no rookie to putting on great conferences yourself.
I've had the opportunity to speak at one of the NPI conferences, the National Press Club.
Another grand slam you had last, just a few months ago.
Another one coming up this fall.
Yeah, well, it's very good.
It's going to be on November 19th at the Ronald Reagan building.
You're home away from home.
Yes, yeah.
The Ronald Reagan building, yeah.
We'll honor that great man's legacy.
But yeah, it's going to be November 19th.
You can look at MPI events.
We're actually, we have not announced the program.
We're still developing some things, and I'm going to really try some new things this year.
So get ready for that.
That's interesting, because there's always something new.
Well, I think we need to be a little more spontaneous and a little more about panels and discussion than about podium speeches.
I'll just give you a little more freewheeling, I guess.
Exactly.
And we also need to be more flexible because the thing is, this is going to occur November 19th is around 10 days after the election.
So that's going to give us enough time to digest what happens.
It could be a totally different conference than what you have in mind, or perhaps it'll be even better than you expected.
And I don't think we're, if Trump loses, I don't think we're going to be despondent.
I think we will be euphoric if he wins because that would be a good idea.
You know what I've been saying, Richard?
I don't even think it's going to be competitive.
You think he's going to blow him out?
I think he will.
Yeah.
I don't think he's going to be able to do it.
Or him.
Who knows?
Well, Bernie would be a tougher opposition.
I totally agree.
I tweeted that.
I think Bernie would be tougher than him.
He had a real movement.
I mean, you got a lot of college kids that want a free lunch, as I say, but I mean, he does have real enthusiasm.
And he's non-threatening socialists, basically.
Well, Hillary, she inspires no one.
She is just.
This is the time for the outsiders, and she is the embodiment of the literature.
She is a wet blanket.
Yeah, it's just like, oh, you're enthusiastic about politics.
Wait until we see Hillary.
We're going to depress you.
Folks, we're out of time, and I hate to end with Richard on the line, but we are out of time.