March 7, 2015 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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How do you possibly top Sam Dixon and Jared Taylor, who were our guests in the second hour?
Well, with Richard Spencer, obviously.
Richard is, of course, the director of the National Policy Institute and Washington Summit Publishers.
He is the editor of the cultural journal Radix and is the former assistant editor of the American Conservative.
He's going to be with us this hour to talk about being beyond conservatism.
And as Jared was on just in the last segment to plug, he will be one of the featured speakers at the American Renaissance Conference 2015 coming up in just a couple of weeks.
And it's always a great pleasure to welcome back to the program my good friend Richard Spencer.
Richard, thank you for being with us tonight.
Well, thank you for having me, James.
I'm not sure I top Sam and Jared, but I'll try.
Once you're in the league, you know, it's all relative.
And certainly, to say the least, you are.
And I was sharing, I don't know if you are aware of this, Richard, but for about the last couple of months, the Council of Conservative Citizens has been hosting an online chat that coincides with our live broadcast.
And we have a packed room, a capacity crowd in there tonight.
And I was sharing with them during the extended commercial break between hours that one of the highlights of my political activism has been to speak with you and Jared at the National Press Club, which happened a few years back.
Well, you were back there just last week.
In fact, we couldn't have you and Jared on last Saturday night because the event was still in session.
You were there last week to talk about being beyond conservatism.
Tell us all about the event that those of us who weren't able to make the trip to Washington missed out on.
Well, if you didn't make it, you really did miss out.
And I've gotten a lot of feedback, and really all of it's been positive.
It was a really fun event.
And what I tried, I mean, not talking about all the ideological stuff, but just talking about the social stuff.
What I tried to do was combine, you know, some of the elements of our typical conference with some of the social elements that we like.
You know, I've always thought that going to a conference was in a way a kind of excuse to go meet people and to reconnect with people and so on and so forth.
So I decided, why don't we just cut out the middleman and just have a real social gathering.
So we basically were in a very nice room, the press club, and we had smoked ham, pizza, and lots of vegetables kind of array.
And we had a bar there.
And we were all in a room together.
There were some high tables with different places to sit.
So it was really a social gathering.
It didn't feel like an academic conference, you know, where you go and you sit down and you try to learn something.
It really felt like you were gathering with a group of friends.
And I thought that was a real positive innovation.
And so, but anyway, we actually hosted Jared Taylor and Peter Grimlow.
Peter is, of course, of, he's the founder and editor of VDARE.com.
And Jared is a longtime editor of American Renaissance, Ambren.com.
And I think it was kind of an interesting conference because, you know, Jared Peter and I are similar in important ways, but we all said different things.
I think there was a real diversity of views on display.
And then we had a rip-roaring question and answer session immediately afterward where, you know, just because of the nature of the conference.
Go ahead.
Well, we're getting a lot of questions about that question and answer session, which I'll get to after you completely finish your thought process here, Richard.
Oh, yeah, sure.
I mean, one thing, because the conference was so social and laid-back, we really had the opportunity to let everyone have their say, to not feel like, oh, we have to move on to the next speaker.
I really like this idea.
I kind of like this of having a kind of a laid-back, a conference that's just the evening conference that is more social.
So we're definitely going to do it again.
Well, and of course, people always look forward to that, these opportunities to come together in real life.
And I enjoyed what you wrote on RadixJournal.com that we need to get together above and beyond gathering as pixels on the internet.
And we need to get together in real life, flesh and blood.
And these opportunities are too far and few in between.
You know, the political cesspool held its second conference.
We had a kickoff conference in 2004.
We had a 10-year anniversary conference last year.
Of course, you, Richard, are doing two a year now, including the most famous gathering you had in Budapest a few months back that we covered.
And then there's Jared who is doing it every year now.
But still, though, everyone combined, the Council of Conservative Citizens, who was hosting our chat tonight, they do it once a year.
But there's still two few opportunities to come together in the flesh and exchange ideas and have a healthy debate about the issues in person.
But you're making that happen and you're making it happen in a very big way.
And it's very important.
Oh, thank you.
I really appreciate that.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I mean, the internet has been an absolute godsend.
I mean, the two of us probably might not have ever known each other if it weren't for pixels and tubes connecting everyone.
So, I mean, in that sense, you know, the internet is wonderful.
But, you know, there's the dark side to it, which is that it can sometimes lead to atomization or disconnect from your own community.
And I think this is the, we really need these kinds of things.
We need them in all different shapes and sizes, you know, I think is the other thing.
Like, you know, the Budapest one, that was really, you know, not everyone, I totally recognize, can just hop on a plane over to Budapest and do things.
You know, that was for a select group.
And it was obviously much more convenient for Europeans who can hop on a plane and take maybe a two-hour flight to Hungary.
That's normal or hop in a train.
But I think we have to, you know, do lots of them, have some that are in more kind of rural places, you know, where you can kind of get away.
Have some in big cities, kind of like what I do.
And people can have just small ones.
I mean, I think there should be a real diversity of the ways that we communicate and link up with each other.
Well, together between the few of us who make, I think the Southern Poverty Law Center or the Anything But Poverty Law Center, as someone in the chat tonight called it, they labeled me as a professional racist, as the few of us who can claim that as our profession.
Well, I mean, you know, I'd rather be a professional than an amateur, that's for sure.
Well, the few of us who are able to bring together people in terms of a conference, and there are very few organizations who are able to do that and gather a crowd, it should be done more often.
And frankly, no one does it better than two of our guests this evening, Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer.
And of course, Richard will be speaking at Jared Taylor's event as Jared spoke at Richard's last week.
And that's going to be coming up in a couple of weeks.
So you'll have the opportunity to rub shoulders with these all-stars, these heavyweights, Richard and Jared, in the middle of April near Nashville, Tennessee.
And that, of course, you can sign up at Amran.com.
But Jared, or excuse me, Richard, we're about to come up on a break, but I want to, you know, one genius to another.
I mean, it's all interchangeable, I guess, on the political session.
But when we come back, we're going to talk to you about the timing of your event, Beyond Conservatism, and how it just so happened to overlap with CPAC.
We'll see if there was a rhyme or reason for that when we return with our featured guest for the third and final hour, Batting Cleanup, Richard Spencer, right after this.
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Regrettably, we only have Richard Spencer for one more segment, but plenty of questions pouring in for Richard, which we'll try to get to at least a couple of them.
But I want to first ask my own.
Richard, first of all, the provocative title, Beyond Conservatism.
I remember having lunch with you at a conference a couple of years ago, I guess it was, and we were debating the merits of the word conservative.
And I let it be known that I still endear the term because I believe it's a winning term, although I certainly relate to those who feel as though we need to bring in our people by any means necessary, whatever they will relate to.
Let's bring them in.
There's not much less to conserve about modern America, that's for sure.
And I certainly want to have nothing to do with those at the so-called conservative political action conference in Washington, which it just so happened your event, I guess, in a very uncanny way, seemed to mirror.
Was that a mere coincidence, Richard?
Well, no.
I mean, I thought this was a good time, I think, in the winter, very early spring, to hold a conference because it's, you know, it's a good ways away from Amaran and it's kind of six months away from our fall conference.
So I kind of liked that time.
But yeah, it was obviously I was being provocative.
We were, you know, there during this big CPAC, you know, corporate junket.
And we said we're beyond you.
So, yes, I was poking at them.
Well, and very rightly so.
I have a picture posted at our website this week.
You know, one of our correspondents actually got press credentials through the political cesspool to have all access and free access to great to the chagrin of the Southern Anything But Poverty Law Center.
They just were aghast about that.
But he was there and he went in there for, I think, about 10 minutes and then went outside to join the protesters.
But you've got all of these.
I've got a picture, Richard, that you've just got to see of these effeminate men clamoring for a selfie with Rick Santorum.
Compare and contrast CPAC versus Beyond Conservatism.
The two.
How do they differ?
I guess they differ at a couple of IQ points to start, maybe more than a couple.
Yeah, I actually mean that quite seriously.
Although, CPAC is a weird thing.
It might be worthwhile just to talk a little bit about CPAC if you haven't done too much of that already.
But I mean, I've been to CPAC a number of times as a journalist and as an attendee many, many years ago.
And it's a funny combination of things because you have, A, it really is a corporate junket.
I mean, and it's become much more so now.
I mean, it is, I mean, Peter Bermola jokes about, you know, Conservatism Inc.
It is Conservatism Inc., you know, hardcore.
It is, it's expensive.
It is the, you know, the official face of these, you know, people who want to work on the hill uh lobbyists uh uh, all of these various 501c3s that you know fundraise off nice little old ladies and have accomplished absolutely zilch the past 60 years and all this kind of nonsense.
Well, I mean, you look at you no, but you look at it.
The whole Republican, uh reelection campaign in the midterms hinged upon the resistance to Obama's executive amnesty.
And lo and behold, don't you know that they signed on to it and there it was passed uh, three or four months after the the elections.
And isn't that the way it is every time?
Yeah well, they want, they want to benefit from white angst, but then they don't want to ever do anything about it.
You know, I think they, they ultimately know that they're it's effectively a white person party, it's it's a Middle American party um, but they never want to really do something about it.
But they do want to benefit from it and they, they sadly do benefit from it um, so I think that that's the kind of you could say it irony, or you could use other words for it that that's the kind of that's the game they're playing.
Uh, that's the way they're.
Uh, you know Lucy is pulling the football away from Charlie Brown every and every time.
But as a child of the 80s, much like you Richard I I I uh, I I can relate to Charlie Brown, but I, I think what it is is that CPAC can offer jobs, whereas at this very moment our movement can't.
But when the day comes and it will come uh, that we rise to the top of it all, you know, all of these people who are a mile wide and an inch thick, they will come over to this way of thinking.
I mean, there there are very few Americans who have any original thought process or any real convictions whatsoever.
And I think the people who go to CPAC, you know they might fundamentally relate to us much more than they let on, and and I bash them, you know, rightly so, as much as any other right thinking person for their cowardice and willing to go along, to get along and and play the game.
But most people will gravitate to whatever.
It's a diverse.
It's a diverse array.
I mean I there there are plenty of people there that are are basically functionary.
They might lean ever so slightly rightward, but there's no real fundamental difference between the functionaries to their left uh and and, indeed they're.
They're wearing the same clothes and they look a lot the same.
These are really people who want to be a chief of staff to a congressman.
I mean it's gray lobbyists, or whatever they are.
They are uh, operat chefs.
There are yeah that's, that's exactly it.
That's that's what I would say, Richard.
They're Republican operators.
They would and yeah, I mean they would they would do the bidding of Pole Pot or they'd do the bill at the bidding of James Edwards or George Bush.
They, they're just tools uh but um, party animals there yeah, there are some people that are, they're actually gen, I think, genuine and authentic and and, in a way, they're I don't I don't want to sound snobby or something, but they have a kind of hookiness about them.
I, I remember I mean again, I say that in a way endearingly, not not to demean, But I remember going into some of these speeches and you would have like a little lady sitting on a chair and she'd be like, you know, amening and nodding her head to the people on stage.
Oh, Ted Cruz.
I mean, again, I guess maybe we should poke fun at them a little bit.
You know, they will come.
A little bit for sure.
You know, I get the impression.
Richard, this is Keith Alexander.
I just get the impression that there is so much of the American public that is vaguely conservative, but like most people, they just can't chew their own food intellectually.
And they are limited in their discourse to what the mainstream will endorse and validate through something like CPAC.
And that's the alternative that you and we and Sam Dixon and Jared Taylor provide that they're not going to get.
And they're not going to get the full-bodied stuff.
No, and the other thing is that, you know, conservatives love to talk about how they're devoted to these timeless principles and how just authentic they are.
They're willing to go against the grain.
Well, that's a bunch of BS, basically.
I mean, look, it's a branch of the Republican Party.
And it exists in the sense that it's a magnet for some.
It kind of keeps, it creates an agenda.
It crystallizes certain things.
And it exists because it's part of, there's all this billions upon billions of dollars flashing around at all these electoral campaigns.
And a lot of that is going to flow over into quote unquote conservatives.
And so you have situations where the Heritage Foundation has an endowment.
I think it's actually in the hundreds of millions.
They have operating budgets in the tens of millions.
I mean, these are a successful organization.
But it is remarkable the degree to which, you know, if we had that much money, if we had an endowment of $100 million, we would freak out.
We wouldn't even know what to do with it.
We would figure out a way.
But when it first happened, it would be just like Santa Claus has arrived.
But it is remarkable the degree to which the conservatives are quite professional.
I would give them that.
But how radically, spectacularly unsuccessful they are on their own terms, not on our terms.
I really can't remember a major cultural, social, or political battle that they haven't lost, with the exception of promoting absolutely lunatic foreign policy, you know, adventures.
Right, right.
I hear that view there.
Well, you know what that means, Richard, as the radio man yourself with the incredible podcast at radixjournal.com.
We have two questions that I have to get to from the chat room.
And then Keith Alexander and I will wrap the show up tonight.
But we'll ask Richard to stay through this break so we can get to those and wrap things up with him in a formal fashion right after this.
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All right, the chat is going wild tonight.
I mean, in addition to having Sam Dixon, Jared Taylor, and now Richard Spencer on the air, we have Ramsey Paul in the chat room entertaining those assembled.
It's just, you know, maybe the Anything But Poverty Law Center was right.
The Political Cess Pool truly is the nexus of this, well, I won't call us what they call us, but a nexus of something anyway.
Their opposition.
Their opposition.
Well, Richard has done such a great job with the National Policy Institute and especially with these conferences that we have been talking about this evening.
Richard, we have two questions that I've got to get to from the chat before we go.
And Keith and I still have a couple of things not related to this topic that we have to cover tonight.
But before we do that, please plug both Radix and the National Policy Institute's website so people can follow you and get more information about your work and your forthcoming conferences.
Oh, yeah.
Well, RadixJournal.com is definitely, that's probably the best place to go because that's where I spend most of my time in terms of editing and producing new stuff.
So I would go there first and then npiamerica.org.
So National Policy Institute, npiamerica.org.
And you can find some stuff there, too, that will be quite interesting.
And we'll certainly, once we announce the conference, this will happen in the next, say, two weeks or so, we'll certainly put up advertisements and links and stuff at both of those places.
So those are probably the best places to go.
Well, there are the two URLs that you should make among your daily reads, ladies and gentlemen.
Now, Richard, very quickly, and of course, we have been talking for the majority of this hour so far, the contrast between the Beyond Conservatism event that was held at the National Press Club, sponsored by the National Policy Institute, featuring Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer, both guests on tonight's show, and Peter Brimelow, a gentleman who has been featured in the past on this program.
But we have two questions now that come in from the chat room that we want to get to before you go, Richard.
First of which, could the current political correctness multicultural regime collapse, in your opinion, very non-climatically as such as we saw in the former Soviet Union?
Richard, your take.
I think that certainly can happen.
I think there are a lot of different scenarios that might unfold.
And I feel hesitant to ever predict one because, you know, history is so full of complexities and contingencies that anytime you predict something, you're going to get it radically wrong and look like a fool.
But I think a lot of things can happen.
I could imagine the system we're under, sadly, I can imagine it perpetuating itself for many decades and it just kind of getting worse and worse, but we have all new, you know, cool iPhones to play with or whatever.
I can imagine that.
I can imagine a total collapse.
We are so leveraged in debt that there might be just something, some loss of confidence that brings the whole house of cards down.
I could imagine something much worse that we have a kind of reinvention of totalitarianism in the 21st century.
All of those things are certainly possible and they kind of come out of certain energies within our zeitgeist, for lack of a better word.
But I think what I would stress and what I did stress the other night was that none of that stuff matters.
Like what might happen doesn't matter as much as how we understand what happens.
And what I mean by that is that we have to have a movement that has an answer and that under, you know, that say looks at a collapse or looks at just the perpetuation of this current dispensation and says, like, we need something different.
We need something better.
This is what we need.
This is who we are.
This is who we want to become as a people, a culture, and a civilization.
That is what is most important.
And we need to get to that.
And we can't kind of rely on things like, oh, well, you know, this PC stuff is so crazy that one day it will go away.
Or, you know, the economic system just seems so unfathomably, you know, leveraged that it's got to collapse at some point.
We can't just rely on these things.
We've got to have the answer.
We have to have a movement and really an ideology that is something quite powerful in the way that Bolsheviks had an answer when they had an historical crisis, when they had an opportunity.
We need to be like that too.
I think that's the most important thing because we don't know what's going to happen.
But what we can control is how we think about the world and how we present ourselves to the world and how we articulate what we want to become as a people and a civilization.
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Richard, final question for you tonight, and I believe I've saved the most important question for last, and it's been asked by several people who were either there with you last weekend or have read about the proceedings in abstentia.
I'll just ask it this way: the stripper, and was she good-looking?
Not very good-looking, but perhaps if she, if she was an actual stripper, perhaps you would need maybe six or seven beards to find her attractive.
But you know, I actually think it was kind of interesting.
That was an interesting situation because I think she came, and I think she maybe had design to literally strip in front of us or something.
But it was a very, or I don't know what she something, and but she didn't do it, and she was kind of disarmed by the way I handled her, but also by the whole proceeding.
And it's interesting because she got up and she said something to the effect of, well, you guys are just so repressed.
You hate nudity as troopers.
And, you know, I told her, I said, no, like, this is not CPAC.
This is not the Rick Santorum meeting where we, you know, talk about the joys of Puritanism.
You know, we, those aren't what we care about.
And, you know, we have all sorts of different people in our movement.
And we, you know, they're going to be people who are very, very upright and don't like that kind of thing.
They're going to be people of all different kinds of lifestyles.
This is not what we're about.
And we, so I think that kind of set her off.
Then afterward, we're talking, you know, someone in the QA denounced capitalism.
I think we also talked about, you know, just the importance of, you know, we don't, unlike conservatives, we actually value things like the natural world more than we value money and someone's supposed human right to exploit the natural world.
No, we actually value things for purely aesthetic reasons, but also for deeper spiritual reasons.
And when you say something like that to a leftist, I think they get a little disarmed and confused.
Yeah, this isn't right.
This isn't what they were expecting.
They were expecting some group where we denounce homosexuals and talk about how we need unfettered capitalism all over the globe.
And we need to cut down every single tree in sight.
If there are any left, we'll have to turn them into wallpaper as soon as possible.
You know, that's the kind of thing they expect.
And I don't, we need to not give them that.
And we need to also kind of reach out to different people.
I mean, it was very interesting.
I think someone else mentioned this on the blog.
There was actually a guy at the conference who voted for Obama in 2008.
And I don't think, well, I mean, I thought that was great.
I don't think he's actually changed a lot of his views.
I bet one of the reasons why he supported Obama was because he, you know, for foreign policy reasons, which are, of course, good reasons, I think he probably saw Bush as supporting environmental degradation and financialization in the economy and so on and so forth.
And I don't think he's actually probably hasn't changed that much on those issues, but he's actually noticed that there's something more.
And there's something actually deeper that is also extremely important.
A lot of things actually.
And so I think we need a movement that brings these people in.
And because they are out there, they are disaffected.
And you know, you said earlier about how, you know, our movement doesn't, we can't really offer people jobs like conservatives can.
And that is absolutely true.
We can offer them something, but I'm not going to lie, we can't just say, oh, yeah, we've got hundreds of 50K a year jobs for people just out of college.
Come on in, you know.
And the conservative movement can say that to it to a large extent.
But the thing is, what we can find, so we can't reach people who that's all they want, but we actually can reach people who are intellectually motivated and spiritually motivated.
And smarter people, to put it most frankly.
So we can reach those people.
And so we, and we need to.
And we're not going to do that by being kind of like the right wing of conservatives.
We're going to do that by being ourselves and being a new kind of movement.
We need to be a movement that's more exciting than the left.
That's actually easy because the left might have been dangerous and Vanguard in its day, but now they're the new establishment.
Exactly.
The left is the establishment.
You know, I mean, the left is a corporate establishment, even.
And not only the government fully.
So we need to.
We could be the Vanguard.
Got to take a break now.
Thank you so much, Richard, folks.
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Welcome back.
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Well, it's gone by entirely too quickly, as it always seems to do, ladies and gentlemen.
But three hours of tonight's live broadcast of the Political Assessment has now nearly come and gone, but we're still having a party hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens at cfcc.org.
And there are a no shortage of luminaries and heavyweights in attendance in the chat, including Wilbur Sprayberry, Ramsey Paul, and a couple of our female listeners, Keith, who you well know.
Right.
Not your average housewife and Courtney from Alabama.
Okay.
Who was on with us last week, actually, as a featured guest?
Absolutely.
And I called Not Your Average Housewife this week and thanked her for the Dixie clip that she sent that we had on the last time the old Miss Pep Band played Dixie, which was on our blog roll several weeks ago.
And we started talking about movies, two of my favorites, Tammy and the Bachelor and Shane.
And she's seen both of those.
And in fact, she promised that she was going to revisit Shane in light of my comments about the Christology that's involved in that movie.
So I would recommend everybody do that.
It's great to talk with our people.
Our people are the best people, the smartest people, the nicest people that you could find anywhere.
And we truly admire, and there's no bull to this, our fan base, our listeners.
They're the salt of the earth, and they're also the cream of the crop.
To be doing this on AM Radio, to have been doing this for 10 years, to have done all the things that we've done and all of the headlines that have come and gone, denounced by Congress in February.
It's an honor each and every week to come to this show.
I am so blessed by God to have been born as James Edwards, the founder of the Political Assessment Radio Program, and to be able to work with Keith Alexander and Eddie Miller and Winston Smith and Sam Bushman and all of the others who have come and gone.
People like Bill Rowland, who has been called home to his eternal reward.
Obviously, Scoop Stanton and those who listen to the show, those who support us, those who pray for us.
We're all in this together.
We're all a team.
And, you know, the time will come for us all to receive that eternal reward.
Our chat tonight is hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens.
And we're very thankful for our working partnership with them.
The chief executive officer, a very good friend of mine, Gordon Baum of the Council of Conservative Citizens, passed away on Friday.
I don't know if people know that or not.
I was informed privately about that, but since the Anything But Poverty Law Center has posted an article celebrating Gordon's death, I figured we could honor him the right way tonight.
Gordon was a lion.
He was a leader.
Some of my very best memories in this movement have come from attending Council of Conservative Citizens conferences.
Some of the greatest people, people who have helped this radio program from its inception and more than anyone else, some of those people have been there.
That's exactly how I found out about the political cesspool radio program.
If you want to know the truth, I read the Citizen Informer, and they were touting it at the time, caused me to tune in.
And I remember talking with Bill and James.
And I don't know if it was Bill or James, but one of them said, we've got to get this guy on the program.
Well, that's right.
I mean, there you go.
So the Council of Conservative Citizens with their newspaper arm, the Citizens Informer.
Keith read about us through that newspaper, and it just so happened that he was in Memphis, and we were in Memphis, and he started calling into the show regularly, and now he is obviously an indispensable member of the hosting staff.
Well, the Council of Conservative Citizens brought Keith Alexander to the political cesspool.
And Gordon Baum was always there.
And he passed away on Friday.
And, you know, I've been going to Council of Conservative Citizens meetings since 2005.
And some of the greatest people I've ever met, I have met there, and they are lifelong friends.
And some of the greatest memories and happiest memories that I have as a result of my activism in this movement have come at CFCC conferences.
Look, this program is better than that.
Gordon was always in the middle of it.
Gordon was always in the middle of it.
Yeah, this program, groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens, American Renaissance, they're better than Facebook.
They're better than Twitter.
This is where you find like-minded people, and this is where you can commune, and you can joust with ideas and have a great time finding people that believe like you do.
In fact, that's why I was so scared of the Net Neutrality Act and still am, because if they can strike down the internet, quite frankly, I don't know what we're going to do because this is our basic lifeline for getting in touch with one another.
And groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens, they were the first.
They were the foremost.
They were the, I guess, successors to the White Citizens Council that created all of these so-called segregation academies, which basically helped educate generations of white students in areas that were predominantly black that otherwise were public education had gone to hell in a handbasket because of busing in the early 70s.
Well, Gordon was there before and since then, and he's been there for as long as you can know.
And I knew him personally, and I knew his family, his daughters, his sons.
He was a family man first and foremost, a Christian first and foremost, and a political activist second.
And he was always in the middle of it.
And some of my greatest memories, as I just mentioned, occurred at the Council of Conservative Citizens.
He is a man worth remembering, and the council will never be the same, but it will go on.
It will continue to make a difference.
My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis here shortly to attend Gordon's funeral.
He was a guest on this program many, many times.
And there's actually a YouTube video of he and I talking together, which I'll repost this week when I do a blog entry about his passing.
But what a great man.
What a leader.
What a hero for our people.
And I was reading the Southern Poverty Law Center celebration of his death.
And these are the people who sanction, apparently, in their own minds, who is hateful and who is not.
And I was reading some of the comments in response to Gordon's passing.
And Gordon was just a great guy, a great man.
And some of the comments read, this is how you make progress, one white funeral at a time.
Or another comment read, rest in piss.
These are the people, Keith, that say we're hateful.
These are the proponents or the so-called champions of tolerance and kindness and virtue and benevolence.
They show exactly what liberalism truly is, which is malevolence.
And hatred and hatred.
Hatred of whites, hatred of conservative, hatred of American traditional people.
And listen, I feel bad on one hand even bringing that up, but it just goes to show the contrast between people who are motivated by love of their people, love of their heritage, people like us, people like Gordon Baum, and people who are motivated by absolute hatred, people like the Southern Poverty Law Center.
It reminded me of that Tim Wise article of some years ago, basically, where he was saying, you know, drink up, you conservatives.
This was after the 2010 congressional elections in which the conservatives, you know, swept in and swept out a lot of liberal Democrats.
And he said, drink up, your time is coming.
You're all going to die off.
And when you do die off, your movement and your consciousness and your political positions will die with you.
Okay.
Well, they may think that's going to happen, but I'm telling you, it's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen because of seeds planted by people like Gordon Baum.
Well, I couldn't say more.
We will continue to honor Gordon.
And we're both here, James, largely because of Gordon Baum.
Well, listen, there are people who have paved the way and people who have helped us from our inception.
And there is no single organization who has helped the political cesspool more than the Council of Conservative Citizens.
And we're so thankful for that association.
We're so thankful for their support and their nurturing through the years.
And again, our chat tonight is sponsored by them, and there wouldn't be one without it.
And Kyle Rogers, who is webmaster, is doing, you know, working tirelessly for the movement.
And he is, you know, a brilliant individual.
And there are plenty of great people at the Council of Conservative Citizens that will carry on, I'm sure.
Well, that's absolutely right.
And we'll be among them, Keith, as both members of the board of directors.
But I'd like to remind you, everyone, in addition to the council, there are groups worthy of your support.
We've had a few of them on the night, American Renaissance and the National Policy Institute.
But if you're looking for a media outlet, the likes of which that will bring you in a single night, Richard Spencer, Sam Dixon, and Jared Taylor, there's only one, and you found it, and it's right here.
And we ride to the sound of the guns every week, but we need you to provide us with the ammunition.
We tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
And because of that, we can't get money from advertisers, and we depend on like-minded individuals for support.
And when you support us, you're not only supporting the political cesspool, you're also supporting the Liberty News Radio Network, which makes our broadcast possible to the AM FM affiliates and the internet audience, the simulcast.
We ask that you respond to our plea to support us during this first quarter fundraising drive, which will be going on until the end of March.
And let me say this, James.
We need to help.
Every little bit helps.
Every little bit helps, and you can donate at thepolitical cesspool.org.
When you support us, you're not only supporting the political cesspool, you're supporting your ancestors, and you're also reaching out to your posterity, to your children and your grandchildren, to make sure that they have a good life.
Because quite frankly, if our message doesn't resonate and doesn't begin to grab a hold of the public debate, we're in for some rocky times in the future.
We're the last best hope of an awful lot of people.
And quite frankly, we need your support.
We're going to remember the heroes of our people, Gordon Baum among them.