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Feb. 13, 2026 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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ITS OVER | Tim Pool Live

Tim Pool’s live stream dissects California’s collapse—$4–5 gas taxes, Valero Benicia Refinery shutdowns, and $3–5M annual security costs—while exposing Medicaid fraud in Minnesota’s ICS program, where Jama Muhammad’s American Home billed $276–$421/day for minimal services, evicting Skye Hansen despite her rent payments. He mocks flat-Earther Roger Avery’s lens distortion claims and critiques insider trading rules tied to personal endorsements like George Santos’ State of the Union invite. The episode underscores systemic failures, media manipulation, and the unsustainable cost of truth-telling in an era of AI dilution and regulatory overreach. [Automatically generated summary]

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California Sucks Talk 00:04:22
tim pool
What's going on, everybody?
We didn't have a culture war today for a variety of reasons, and I've been losing my voice.
I tried recording a segment, and then halfway through, I just like started coughing, and I'm like, well, I can't use that anymore.
So, I figured I should do a live stream.
We'll just do a live stream.
We'll hang out with you guys, and you can comment and talk about stuff.
And I just grab a whole bunch of random stories to make segments with and try to keep the energy low.
I took an ibuprofen, keep the voice working.
Maybe it's a bad idea, probably a bad idea, but it's okay.
And there's a bunch of stuff we can talk about.
But probably just, you know, in all honesty, I grab you guys in the chat.
So, if you guys are seeing anything on, you know, X or wherever, any viral videos, any commentary, whatever, then just drop it in and we'll pull it up.
Super chat's easier because they stay.
Like, regular chat, I'll probably miss.
And I decided I'd go with this story about how California sucks.
And it's funny because I don't know if you guys saw that Benny Johnson post.
Benny had what the hell?
I got a text message.
It's funny.
Such weird stuff going on, man.
Anyway, Benny Johnson went to California.
Trust me, it was an important text.
Benny Johnson went to California and he was like, hey, look, these gas prices are really high because California's got crazy taxes.
And then Gavin Newsom's press office was like, you're lying.
You went to the one that was the most expensive.
And then they showed a map showing all the gas is between $4 and $5.
And so it's just like, thank you, I guess, for proving Benny's point.
But we'll just jump right into it.
We got the story.
California at a breaking point.
Lawmaker cries as gas prices surge again after more refinery closures.
Yeah, California's fuel market entering another period of strain as refinery capacity continues to shrink.
I never have the camera lined up properly.
Continues to shrink.
The nation's largest gasoline market, the planned closure of Valero Benicia Refinery, one of the state's remaining major facilities, expected to tighten supply in the system.
Jeff Flock joined Maria Barnaromo and talked about how California sucks.
unidentified
We get it.
tim pool
The refineries are closing down.
And, you know, guys, I want to be honest.
I just want an excuse to talk about how California is really awful and it sucks and everything's kind of falling apart.
Does anybody actually want to live in California anymore?
I mean, I know Mike Cernovich talks about it kind of a lot where it's like, you know, in all honesty, the weather's really nice, but you got all these illegal immigrants.
You've got weird fascistic police in central and eastern California.
For real, you do.
You've got the problems, like you got the water problem, water rights problems.
The taxes are super high.
Everybody's leaving.
Mark Zuckerberg apparently just bought a house in Florida, and everybody's saying that like he's ditching.
He's going to Florida.
I don't know that means he's actually going to leave California.
And didn't Elon Musk reopen something in California?
I don't know.
It's just kind of sad.
And I think it's indicative of basically it's all falling apart.
You know what I mean?
Like socially, culturally, I was describing in my morning segment, like my 10 a.m. segment, like jigsaw puzzle box, and you just threw all the pieces in there.
Like we had this beautifully complete map of the country, and then somebody took it and just hucked it into the air and it exploded into a million pieces.
That's kind of what it feels like.
So, I don't know, guys.
California sucks.
And whatever.
But we're hanging out.
I'm going to hang out.
I'm going to pull a bunch of random stories.
And this is just the one that I picked, which I probably shouldn't have because there's probably way more interesting stories.
I don't know how much I care about talking about California.
But I'm just going to see what you guys are on about.
And we're going to hang out.
So I'll give you the quick version.
Basically, we didn't have a culture war set up.
And instead of, it's been a really slow news week, like super slow.
I just said, nah, I'm not going to force a show where we like just throw something together and then do a debate.
So we're not going to do it.
And then Tate's doing the normal news show.
But I tried recording for noon and my throat just started giving out.
And I'm like, I don't know that I can record a consistent thing.
So how about I just keep my voice lower and just do a live stream and take chats?
And it's better than nothing, right?
Look at this, 4,000 people already tuning in just to hang out.
Four Full Security Guards Needed 00:03:56
tim pool
And I can do a variety of things.
I do have a bunch of stories pulled up, which we will talk about.
Don't get me wrong.
But I thought it would actually potentially be interesting if you guys had anything that you were seeing on X or whatever that were funny.
And if you pop them in a Super Chats, I know Super Chats cost money.
The regular chat I am watching, but if the link disappears or I can't find it, it's just gone.
And if you super chat, it's easier for me to find something.
So, you know, that works too.
And then we'll just chill real quick.
I don't really expect there to be like a strong opening segment to this live stream that I'm doing, but I do think I've got some stuff pulled up, which will be very interesting.
That is, I was watching Joe Rogan's show where he's talking about flat earth, and he's just not having it because this dude's just saying a whole bunch of whack-aloon stuff.
I think that'll be funny to record on.
And then by using the live format, I think I can get some segments done that I can post later in the day without breaking my vocal cords.
Because when I do a normal recorded segment, there's no breaks.
Whereas if we're doing something live, I can pull in chats or whatever, and I can kind of, you know, it is what it is, whatever.
It's better than doing nothing.
In all honesty, I thought about going to Taco Bell, and I'm like, well, it's getting harder for me to talk because I'm overworking and my brain's falling apart.
Yeah, like the security stuff, for instance, people are saying stuff like, Tim, it's so great that you're back in West Virginia and you're going to keep doing everything.
Guys.
We need like $5 million for security.
It's not even, I'm not even.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Okay, that's the high end.
Like reasonably, I think $1.4 million can provide us with like a basic level.
You guys got to understand this.
I'm going to talk to you.
We're currently spending like more than this.
So if you want security round the clock for a studio that has, you know, we were shot at, then you need four people per day is, I got to be honest.
That's, that's, that's going light.
You know what I mean?
So basically, you got 24 hours and you're going to go on like six hour rotations because you want overlap between.
So it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be six hours.
It could be seven or whatever, but you'll still end up needing four people.
So that's kind of how you break it down.
Four full-time positions, full-time.
Okay, because you got to understand this.
Not everyone's going to work five days a week.
So this actually breaks down to like six full-time employees or maybe like four full-time security.
And we're not hiring them directly because there's liability as a reason security companies are like license bonded and all that stuff.
So like reasonable 24-hour protection is going to cost you about a million bucks a year.
Because then we're talking about vets with training, armed, licensed bonded and all that stuff.
And they're going to run you like in all seriousness, good security, 150 on average, maybe could even be 200K per person.
So then we're talking about, you know, 1.2 million for one guard on rotation 24-7, one.
Well, that's insane.
One guard's not going to cut it.
You can't have one guy in your building.
Like you got at least two points of entrance and egress.
I'm not going to talk about our points, how many we have, but reasonably, you're going to want four people at any given moment for a facility.
Great.
Congratulations.
$5 million.
Not a joke, not an exaggeration.
So we're not at that level right now, but we are spending an insane amount of money.
The reason we went down to the Rumble HQ was because the idea that we had with Rumble was if they can create a centralized studio for everybody, then basically it may cost you $5 million a year for round the clock 24-7 security, but you're also having 10 people operate at once.
So instead of spending $50 million, because you have security companies at every studio, you got one centralized location, not to mention cross-promotion, things like this.
So, you know, other Rumble shows can come on other Rumble shows.
It makes it easier to do the Rumble morning show, creates a production hub so that they've got a lot more content.
And we didn't go anywhere in those conversations.
Security Costs Skyrocket 00:15:11
tim pool
I have no idea what's going on.
So we came back.
And that means that, I don't know, burning the midnight oil, as it were.
Guys, Charlie Kirk was killed.
And people are at, there's another story that I'll pull it up.
Give me two minutes.
We'll pull the story up.
And I'm just going to go into it.
Because actually, the reason why I wanted to do the live stream was because if I start hacking up along, like in the middle of talking, we'll just keep going.
I recorded like six minutes talking about how the Republicans wanted to investigate Bad Bunny and I started coughing.
And I'm like, I literally can't upload that.
So I don't know.
At least if I'm doing it live, there you go.
And whatever.
I suppose I could edit the clips after the fact, but I don't know, whatever.
But yeah, it's better than doing nothing.
Like I could do no work.
Yeah, I was like, okay, I can't really talk.
I should save it for IRL.
Maybe I should just go to Taco Bell and get me a cantina chicken.
I love those things.
It's corn tortilla with chicken, cheese, they grill it.
You know what I'm talking about.
You know what I'm talking about.
But we'll talk about security stuff.
Actually, maybe we should just jump into the security stuff right now.
And so let's do this.
I actually have this crazy story.
This is from Virginia Pilot, top prosecutor for Matthews County, was found dead in the driveway, state police say.
She was shot and killed.
They shot her.
We don't know a whole lot of details about exactly what happened, but people are saying that this individual was like an advocate focused on prosecuting child abusers and woman beaters and sexual assault allegations and things like that.
But I don't know too much about this individual.
For all we know, this is a robbery gone wrong.
I mean, I don't know.
I doubt it because apparently she was found dead in her own driveway.
I don't know exactly.
They say in the driveway and they're giving out little details.
So we don't know if this is like her driveway or what the issue is.
But let me tell you about security stuff right now.
So for those that are just now tuning in or didn't hear what I was talking about before, I'll also say smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff.
The security costs, I'll give the quick version because I literally just explained this to the people who came at the start of the top of the stream.
For us in our studio, we've got, I don't know, 30 some odd employees, plus contractors.
It's a large property with a big studio warehouse.
We built up a lot.
We did a lot of stuff.
We've got a bunch of new shows.
We've got the skateboard podcast working on.
And Tales of the Inverted World, pop culture crisis.
We've got multiple buildings.
And then we just had this shooting.
Charlie Kirk is dead.
The violence is escalating.
This lady got killed.
We don't know if it's political or what the motivation was.
She was a prosecutor.
A lot of people are thinking like this may be related to Epstein stuff, but who knows?
Because not this lady was high profile or anything.
So I'll give you the quick version.
A good security guy, licensed bonded, experienced veteran, or maybe a former police or, you know, connected, knows how to handle themselves, has good training.
They're going to run you like $150,000 to $200 if you want to hire full-time per year, $200,000 per year.
It's a full-time job.
And like executive security level stuff, dealing with active threats.
I mean, you're a security guard for a Walmart or for like a school.
You're not dealing with a known target for active threats.
And so these guys, they're expensive.
If you want full rotation security, you're talking 24 hours.
This means you're going to need four people per day, plus a couple extra on the weekends.
So you're looking about, it's an eight-hour shift, but you don't want gaps.
You're not going to do three.
Theoretically, you could do a handoff because there's like a half an hour lunch period, but then you're asking someone to work eight and a half hours to be here eight and a half hours.
So technically eight hours and 45 minutes.
Theoretically, you could do three, but you're really realistically doing four so that there's a decent overlap between security and a proper handoff where the guard coming in can relay to the next guard or can talk to the guard going out.
Because if you were like, no, it's 888, a guy shows up as the other guy's leaving.
You can't do that because there's got to be some time where there's some overlap.
So realistically, to get that overlap, you have four people and plus weekends.
So you're looking at about five full-time jobs.
That's about a million, maybe 1.2 if you do six.
Because, you know, we're not just going light.
All in all, with a large building, you want maybe three or four.
So your range of cost for security is going to be three to five million dollars per year for an operation like we got.
Theoretically, we could just say Tim gets one on-staff bodyguard licensed and bonded through a company that works full-time.
And then you're still looking at for a 24-hour rotation at minimum for bodyguard work is we're going to be doing like I think I think it comes up to about $700,000 per year is the bottom cost that we looked at.
And that is one bodyguard, one bodyguard every shift.
So it's three individual people, 24,7.
Theoretically, then you need a weekend relief.
So you're actually looking at, that's why I say it's like, it's not six, it's about 700K for security.
And it's like, how do you do that?
How do you pay for it?
So we can say stuff like, hey, go to Timcast.com, join our Discord community, be a part of the action.
There's pre-shows, after shows, and the coffee shop is currently getting set up.
I post it on my Instagram.
It should be open really soon, really, really soon.
You can see it.
It's almost good to go, almost.
So it's probably going to be ready in a couple of weeks, but we won't officially open for a few weeks after that.
So we can do run-throughs, checks, and all those things.
So yeah, we're going to have like elite members only stuff for our Timcast members.
The more people we have in the Discord community, the more we can afford to do stuff.
But the brutal thing is we have tried to make all of the, you know, all the excess money that we get.
We make a lot of money.
We do.
And then I'm not buying myself penthouses and infinity pools or anything.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm wealthy.
Things are good.
But we're looking at offloading, selling, reducing investment.
And we've tried to invest in business.
So almost all the money that we get goes back into the business, like the overall majority of it.
And now, because of security issues, almost like a large portion of the money we make, we're talking like a massive portion, has to go to just security.
So if we want to keep this going, security costs have become exorbitant.
They've become the principal.
You know, I talked about this in December when we got shot at.
And then these liberals, because this is what they do, they lied.
They were like Tim Poole with no Russian money can't run his operation.
I was like, no, it's Charlie Kirk being murdered.
It's violent leftists murdering people, which has increased the cost of doing business to a point where it's really difficult for us to afford to do it.
And so there's been a bunch of options.
And it's like we could no more Timcast IRL.
It's the biggest channel that I had.
It's 2.8 million subs now, 2.7 something.
And it makes, I would argue that it technically doesn't make the most money.
It's hard to quantify because between members, which is like Discord members and Rumble Premium, does really well for us.
But ad sponsorships are divvied up between them.
To put it simply, my morning show alone, you know, would net several million dollars with zero overhead, zero staff, zero investment.
And then we wouldn't, we would, we would still need bodyguards.
But the general idea is security through obscurity.
It's a phrase.
Maybe you've heard it.
It's fun.
I like it.
And it means if people don't know, then you're safe.
And for a lot of people, security through obscurity means if you're a high-profile, powerful individual, you have a front man who takes the brunt of everything, a spokesperson, and no one knows who you are.
Shadow government, shadow corporation type stuff.
In this capacity, I'm just using the phrase to mean if we're in a single small location in the middle of nowhere and no one knows where we are, and we've layered it upon layer of trusts and LLCs and other ways that make it very difficult to find, then nobody knows where we are.
And if literally I say on the show, I'm somewhere else, and we use an operating address like far away, then we don't necessarily need the same degree of security.
We can reduce our costs by simply hiding.
You can't do that with Timcast IRL because we give out our address so often to guests, deliveries.
We've got the skate stuff going on and we're trying to invest in building culture, which we have been and been rather successful.
And the crazy thing too is like Timcast IRL gets better ratings than Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and the key demo, which is just bonkers to think about.
Seriously, like Timcast IRL, we're in an offseason right now.
And I think we've been hitting in the past week like 400,000 per episode.
We averaged this year so far into February, it's been like 700K.
And in the election year, it was like 900 to a million.
It's kind of crazy.
Across the board, across everything.
Like YouTube, obviously, you can check YouTube and the numbers would be like 200 to 300 or whatever.
Political offseason, things go down, and we are dealing with increasing AI competition.
But it's crazy because we're all key demo.
So even on YouTube, getting like 200K just on YouTube is beating Fox in the key demo.
To be fair, Fox is getting a million seven because they're getting 70-year-olds, but it's going to be weird how things go.
So let me explain to you the problem we have security-wise that didn't exist before with the decentralization of technology, distribution of content.
So I'm probably getting 10 million views per day across the board.
And well, actually, we can expand that probably.
And what I mean by that is if I do a show like this, some random person will take a clip from it, upload it to their YouTube channel.
And so the image of my face may appear to 20 or 30 million people per day.
Not on my show, right?
It could be some liberal insulting me or attacking me.
So for instance, like when Sam Cedar does a video on me, it gets 300,000 views.
That's 300,000 views related to my program, but I don't control.
This means that there's tens of millions of people who know me and many of whom don't like me and want to kill me or harm me, my friends, and my family.
But I can't monetize that content.
If you go back 30 years, 40 years, if you were on TV, you didn't have internet fair use.
So the only time someone would see your face largely was on your show where you controlled revenue.
So if you were getting 10 million views, you were able to sell against 10 million views.
And then you were making $30 million and security costs sucked, but, you know, whatever.
Now there's 20, 30 million views of my face every day.
I don't control all those views.
So I can only monetize the content that I directly have, which is a couple million per day directly on YouTube, a couple million, maybe a million or so on Rumble.
Yeah, I think it's just shy of a million, around a million on Rumble across the board for the company.
Then we have the audio podcasts, which are several hundred thousand per day.
So what we can reasonably monetize is great.
If we did not have Discord members, we would not exist, period.
The amount of money we make directly from the show does not sustain the operation.
It couldn't happen.
This is why most people are just literally themselves doing something like this.
You know, you're just like sitting there talking.
Zero cost, zero overhead, like maximum margins, 95%.
And so we tried building a company.
We tried doing something more and we want to.
We want to keep that going.
And it's created security liabilities and costs.
And it becomes damn near impossible to actually sustain.
So it really has to be some kind of like mission-driven thing.
I don't know how we do it.
I honestly don't know how we do it in the long term.
That's why the conversation I've been having for some time was like, maybe what we do is I just go back to my morning show.
What if, you know, like the hypothetical would be you do, I do my, like my morning segments.
I do like 10.
So right now I got a 2 p.m. going up.
I was basically ragging on Adam Mockler for an hour.
It was respectful.
I wasn't, I got no hard beef to insult that guy, but just debating, like criticizing his thoughts and opinions on a debate show from Jubilee.
And so there's 10, noon, 1, 2, 3, 4, and then IRL.
The idea would be to go back to a VOD morning only structure where I just am myself.
And that would allow us maximum security.
But IRL is, you know, it's politically impactful in the space.
It's not the biggest podcast.
It's a big live stream.
We did 35K concurrence yesterday.
So it drops.
This is what we normally see.
And then other shows do bigger if they're general interest and entertainment.
We don't have that.
During elections, we're massive.
During the State of the Union, we're massive.
Everywhere else, we get smaller.
But if we can't sustain the viewership that's got to keep growing, then we've got to start shrinking.
And then it gets to the point where without the Discord community, the Timcast members, it wouldn't exist at all.
And now with this new security cost, it might not be able to exist.
So we're looking at the path right now.
And it's like with the added security cost because the far left is so violent, because leftists are so violent, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the threats against us and everybody else, and how crazy things are getting.
It's like if we factor in these security costs, we're in the red.
So that means we've got to cut way down.
And at a certain point, we get to the point where it's just like, can we even do the show anymore?
And then it may just be maybe this world of these like high-production companies just doesn't make sense anymore.
So we're navigating solutions and we're working on it.
So we're here for now and we're actively trying to mitigate it.
And let me just say that aside from the security costs, there's other mitigating factors, which cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, which I can't describe because there are security issues.
And man, I don't know how you do it.
On top of that, I'm seeing people like every day are because we can track analytics and YouTube actually shows you what your subscribers are watching.
And I know a lot of people don't want to admit it, but y'all are watching AI content.
It's just true.
So how, so if every day people are less inclined to watch this or be involved, and because there's an expansion in very entertaining AI stuff, well, what do you do?
So it just comes to a point, I guess.
You know what I mean?
I think when I started doing all of this, like I had left the corporate press and everything was still dominated by corporate media.
This is like, you know, this is 2016.
CNN's still getting millions of views in the key demo.
And for a lot of people, they were looking for something more honest.
So I start making videos and people are like, oh, this guy's assessing things.
It's honest.
It's reasonable.
It's good.
They watch.
Well, now the corporate press is dying and media is decentralizing and younger people are all spreading out.
And for a lot of you that are watching right now, many of you probably don't watch AI content.
But yo, a bunch of podcasts, AI podcasts are popping up and people are watching them.
Like I feel bad for Rudyard.
You know, he does what if alt history, because particularly with what he does is being crushed by AI.
And what's happening is we're looking at utilizing AI so that we can compete in this space.
Otherwise, we cease to exist.
But what's happening is a lot of videos are popping up.
I even watched one.
They're about Civil War, Apocalypse, World War III, all of this stuff, very similar, like Rudyard.
And it's probably some Indian guy, to be completely honest, like in India.
Cooking Up New Formats 00:07:37
tim pool
They make 15-minute long videos and they're not bad.
They're interesting.
Some dude in India says to ChatGPT, write me a script breaking down, you know, survival after a nuclear apocalypse.
They'll do 100 of these: survival after a nuclear apocalypse, survival after a flood, survival after a zombie.
What would it look like?
AI generates the text.
They load it into 11 labs to AI generate a voice.
Then they take that text and they put it into scene builders like Google Flow and it auto-generates scenes.
They're spam blasting these videos.
There's 50,000 videos a month of just AI generated news, documentary, everything.
And so even if the majority of people are like, I won't watch it, it doesn't matter because it's diluting the algorithmic, the algorithm.
And so it's less likely that you'll get recommended by content.
And even if you don't want to click one of these videos, me doing 20 videos a day can't compete with an AI generated 50 videos per day.
And so the end result is you guys probably go, I don't want to watch the video.
But at the same time, Timcast isn't appearing on the feed.
So then you're like out of sight, out of mind, basically.
So it's becoming increasingly difficult.
And mission-driven is the most powerful tool to maintain things, meaning you have to have something akin to like, you know, the Bangino army, the people that are dedicated to the space, the community, the individual.
That's again, the Timcast Discord community.
I'm not so much into saying like Timcast Army or anything like that.
Maybe I have to, because like Dan Bungino, it certainly works well for him that people are like, let's go, Dan.
He's got a lot of detractors.
People don't like him.
But anyway, that's the space that we're in right now, my friends.
And so how we navigate that, I'm going to say it's insane, to put it mildly.
So again, the story here with this lady, in all honesty, I gave you everything there was.
It's interesting.
It's weird.
And we don't know if it's political or not.
She was shot and killed.
But I'm going to be honest and just say, I don't believe in coincidences.
And the scale in which things are happening right now, I'm going to go ahead and just make the assumption that it's going to largely be somehow politically motivated.
That doesn't mean it's going to be like, you're left, I'm right, we're fighting.
You know what I mean?
It could just be local level.
Like she refused to prosecute or she was prosecuting something like that.
So that's where we're at, my friends.
It's getting crazy.
I'm going to wrap up this portion and then we'll hang out.
Guys, we're live.
Super chat.
We'll grab your super chats and then we'll do some more stories.
So smash that like button, share the show if you're watching this VOD.
Stay tuned.
We got more clips throughout the day and we'll see you all in the next segment.
And then all I got to do is press record and see.
Then I can turn these into segments.
But I'm largely just going to see what you guys are on about.
Look at me, I'm talking more, talking too much.
Let's see.
Okay.
YouTube has gotten rid of all of the viewer activity.
It's just gone.
All the super chats are just gone.
Okay.
It's not super chats anymore.
Maybe if I refresh it, they'll come back.
I'm working on it.
There we go.
We got him back.
What does it say?
Zarmambi says, let's see if this works.
We'll go with that.
Oh, you know what?
I actually have, look at that.
There you go.
A little border.
I just popped it up.
He says, please do a short video sometime on the short story Harrison Bergeron.
It's a good one.
It's about DEI, basically, and communists.
The strong people have to wear weights so that everybody is equal.
It's a good one.
It's a good one.
Sandy Warren says you could employ vets, contract people that know what they're doing to teach those people.
Most people are bored while they're doing college and contracting is a dream for infantry guys.
Indeed.
So security companies are licensed insured, bonded, all that stuff, allowed to carry guns.
And you can't hire security directly because of liability and insurance reasons.
You basically have to go for third-party companies.
One really simple example was we had a guy break into our house and we called the cops and then he basically sued us.
And we were like, what do we do?
And our lawyer was like, there's nothing you can do about it.
You should have had a security company because then the security company is responsible for everything.
And so that's the problem.
And I'm simplifying the story, you know, but therein lies the problem.
Like, what do you do in those regards?
So see what you guys got going on.
Anything interesting happening on X?
Red Pill says, even if you continue to do multi-personality IRL show, is it not viable to do it via Zoom?
Do not believe it will accomplish things or have the same impact.
It won't.
But to be honest, we could probably do a more entertaining version of IRL remote.
It's just scary to do.
Like if we did it remote, we could probably get anybody.
Like we could literally have Hassan Piker on and he would be willing to debate because it's a Zoom thing.
And I don't know.
Maybe that's what we have to do.
And then we just do it remotely.
I got to be honest, it'll probably be more entertaining because it'll be a lot of debates and yelling, but it's not the same thing.
But you know what, man?
Maybe we're cooked.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe we're going the Zoom route.
So maybe we should do that.
I'll talk with my crew and say, like, can we build out the format to be able to do a Zoom Tim Cat?
We never did it.
We've never done remote because we're a hangout.
You know, we're hanging out.
But this would effectively turn it into a, I don't know, a debate show, I guess.
I don't know.
Man, maybe we'll try it for Fridays.
And then we can, and then if it starts working out, because I look at like the Piers Morgan thing, he gets massive viewership, having everyone just yell at each other.
And I'm like, well, lefties don't want to come on, but maybe it'd be more, they absolutely would if it was Zoom.
Just like, here's the Zoom link.
You know what I mean?
So maybe that's what we do.
Maybe we downsize the physical locations, effectively go into hiding, but keep doing the show at least in a different format.
You know, I guess it's better than nothing.
Better than nothing.
Sir Trip says, instead of Tim's army, call it the pool party.
We got the pool party in the house.
This is the pool party, guys.
Share the link.
Tell everyone to come hang out in this live stream for the pool party.
Get your super chats in.
Let's go.
Join us, my friends.
Join us, Timcast.com, Discord community.
What the heck?
The super chats disappeared again.
That's what YouTube does, man.
This is what YouTube does.
It's broken.
It's broken.
We got Rumble rants, though.
So what do we need super chats for?
We got more people watching on Rumble than we got watching on YouTube anyway.
Rumble was better.
Let's see what we got.
Oh, the Rumble Ranch has disappeared.
You see, I can't even do nothing about that.
One Twisted Custom says, what is taking so long for the skateboards to come in?
Been waiting on mine more than a month for three decks.
My sincerest apologies, my good friend.
The issue is that the skateboard industry is basically broken.
And we've got actually one of the better manufacturing and distributors, but they're, I guess to put it simply, we sell a lot of skateboards.
And so they got to make them.
Yo, American manufacturing is cooked.
Allegations of Fraud and Eviction 00:09:42
tim pool
I think for a lot of regular people on the day-to-day, it's so granular, they don't see the big picture.
And then for us here, we're watching, like, I got my pinky in all these pies.
You know what I'm saying?
Is that the right way to say it?
I don't think I'm supposed to say it like that.
I don't think that's the way you're supposed to say it.
But we got manufacturing businesses.
We've got sponsorship advertisements, development.
Like, we're doing a bunch of different things.
We're launching like consulting and talent management because our Rumbled X is really big.
We have a lot of things.
I can see all of these things and I can see everything breaking and falling apart.
Seriously.
And I think if you're working like a single job, you don't see the big picture of how every little, all these different industries are breaking apart into a million pieces, which is really worrying.
Really worrying.
Yeah.
As Farah says, this poor girl was kicked out of her special needs housing eviction over Somali fraud.
Yup, I got that story.
I got that story.
Let's get it.
Oh, wait.
No, that's the same story as before.
I got the story right here.
Let's roll.
Let's get it.
KARE11 investigates.
Check the story out.
This special needs woman was kicked out of her house because apparently like a Somali fraudster was taking money and then using it as a program for people who are disabled so that they can, you basically use the money and you manage the house for them and give them special care.
It was supposed to be that the dude would, or whoever this person was, would go to her house and take care of her.
And then one day just stopped paying the rent but kept taking the money.
So the sheriff shows up to evict this like young, developmentally disabled.
It's not an insult.
Legit.
I'm going to play this video for you guys.
unidentified
Evicted, homeless, and living on the streets.
Tonight, Carol Evan investigates the impact of Minnesota's fraud crisis on the innocent victims, betrayed by the very system that was supposed to give them care.
Here's A.J. Legault with the latest in his continuing investigation, Housing Hustle.
Minnesota.
Winter in our city is unforgiving.
And I don't know where my boots are.
Snow-packed streets and cold.
Cold that punishes.
My eyes.
You wouldn't know it, though.
Yeah.
To meet Janelle Hansen.
She goes by the nickname Skye and is through no fault of her own homeless.
I suppose I'm coming up on six months left.
It's now actually been eight months.
Sky allowed Carol Evan to document her journey.
tim pool
I'm going to pause real quick.
unidentified
It's kind of annoying to live in your car.
tim pool
I'm just going to ask this question.
If she's developmentally disabled and requiring government assistance to live, can she give consent to a news organization to film her like this?
unidentified
It's so annoying.
Depending on the weather, I was so cold and so tired.
We found her staying in tents.
No, it was cold.
I was cold while I was sleeping.
It's not always easy to find a place inside to lay her head.
If she can find an open bed, she stays in shelters.
When she has the money, hey, can I do a checkout?
I almost got my stuff out.
Cheap hotels.
I think I just got kicked out of the hotels for being too autistic.
tim pool
Okay, but if she's functional, why didn't she have a job?
unidentified
And the care she was supposed to be getting brought Minnesota's social services fraud crisis straight to her door.
We're here for the eviction.
It's June 2025.
Skye lives in a very nice apartment in Minnetonka when sheriff's deputies arrive.
I'm scared.
Armed with an eviction order for Jane or John Doe.
We go by the latest court order that says we have to evict you from the premises.
Sky lived here as part of a Medicaid program called Integrated Community Supports or ICS.
It's designed to help adults with disabilities live independently in their own apartment with one-to-one daily assistance.
As a matter of lease, that she has a lot of the right to live here.
Skye subleased the apartment from her caregivers, a company called American Home Healthcare LLC, which in turn held the master lease with the apartment complex.
Skye said she'd paid her rent to American home.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
unidentified
So didn't understand what was happening.
I'm not Jane or John Doe, which is confusing.
Sky ordered to pack up what she could carry.
tim pool
Grab what you've just packed because we need to exit the apartment now.
Okay, so basically, the fraudster had the complex.
See, now I understand because I saw this.
I saw clips going viral on X.
I didn't know this.
She is paying rent.
She is making money, but she was paying a fraudster who wasn't paying the rent, getting money from the government, not providing services.
This is crazy.
unidentified
We need to go.
Let's go.
How are you?
And like that, a vulnerable young woman put on the street.
Wow.
I have to know the bottles.
How could this have happened?
tim pool
And she wasn't even allowed to take her stuff.
unidentified
It's tied to the allegations of Medicaid fraud now rocking our state.
Oh, unless my left side doesn't work very well.
Kane Pence was one of Sky's neighbors in the same ICS program.
He first contacted Carol Evan in May 2025 after seeing our Recovery Inc. investigations expose fraud in Medicaid programs for those battling addiction and homelessness.
tim pool
I call the whole thing Handicap Inc.
unidentified
He said people with disabilities were being similarly exploited.
tim pool
It's a complete and total scam.
unidentified
Kane said, American Home Healthcare was being paid a lot for doing very little.
tim pool
$276 a day.
unidentified
That's every single day.
Every day.
Kane's record show his Medicaid was charged, claiming he was getting service for nearly eight hours.
joe rogan
You talk about an utter and complete fraud.
unidentified
I couldn't get people to carry out the trash.
Records show.
American Home billed on September 14th, 2024, when Kane has photographic evidence.
tim pool
Now, you can look at the date here.
It should be time stamped.
unidentified
Proving he was on a retreat all weekend in Lake Elmo.
Wow.
They billed one.
On August 25th and 26th, when photos prove he was in Iowa out of state.
tim pool
That's absolute proof.
They billed the full amount every they just billed the phone one every single day.
unidentified
I wasn't even in the damn state.
tim pool
Nobody even checked on me.
unidentified
So they're claiming they're giving me service.
tim pool
If I was dead in Missouri, they wouldn't have even known.
joe rogan
I don't know.
unidentified
For Sky.
I'm autistic, so I don't really.
It was the same story.
I don't know.
What Sky didn't know was American Home billed Medicaid $421 per day, claiming they always helped her for 12 hours.
Most days was like two hours, maybe.
Medicaid data shows since 2022, American Home was paid more than $2.2 million in public dollars.
The Minnesota Department of Human Services didn't cut off funding until September 2025, the same day Kane went to the Capitol and publicly testified in a house fraud hearing.
$276 a day in my case, and they don't do Jack.
They do nothing.
The company is owned by this guy, Jama Muhammad.
He never responded to Carol Evans' interview requests, so we went looking for him.
This house is apparently the headquarters for American Home Healthcare.
tim pool
Connectives empty.
unidentified
It is an indoor basketball court and is located in the city of the Commission.
tim pool
Well, you know, to be fair, I mean, I have an indoor basketball.
I'm kidding.
This guy should not have this.
unidentified
Subdivision, we left a message directly on the ring cam.
We have some questions about allegations of fraud and kickbacks.
Under federal and state law, kickbacks in Medicaid programs are illegal.
This state bulletin specifically says an example of a potential kickback in ICS programs includes covering or paying a portion of a recipient's rent.
Clients say that's exactly what American Home was doing.
tim pool
So they give you a rebate on the rent.
unidentified
Kane spelled out the alleged kickback in that legislative fraud hearing.
And within five days, they make up for it by charging for all these services that they don't give.
Court records show American Home got evicted from the apartment complex for not paying rent as they came under investigation, even though tenants were continuing to pay their share directly to American Home.
Okay, let's go.
Come on, here we go.
Push this.
That's how a confused Skye came to be escorted out of her home by sheriff's deputies as Jane Doe.
tim pool
Yeah, but it looked like there was an eviction notice on the door.
So she looks like she's functional but developmentally disabled.
My question is, you may be wondering why you're getting evicted, but you may know.
And then there has to be a period where you get to fight this.
I wonder how squatters get away with it, but they were kicked out.
unidentified
Made it look like I didn't pay.
On this day, Skye hanging out in the Hennepin County Law Library.
My brain likes to have a hard time with it, but she's trying to figure out how to get the eviction off her record in hopes she'll eventually find a new place to call home.
tim pool
She didn't get evicted, though.
Jane or John Doe did.
So I wonder if that would even be on her record.
Blame Game 00:05:44
unidentified
Well, AJ, it's just heartbreaking.
I mean, I know already people have been reaching out to people.
tim pool
I blame these people right here.
I got to be honest.
unidentified
Yeah, this story, Sky's story, it really struck a nerve, Julie.
And, you know, it's gone viral online with millions of views, offers to help.
They're pouring in from around the country.
But I can tell you tonight, there are significant efforts now underway to find her the proper supportive housing.
tim pool
She's going to be all right.
Oh, keep us updated, please.
I hope that guy gets taken care of, too.
You know why I say, like, I blame these people right here?
Those people, because I don't mean it literally, but it's like these white, well-to-do people who have let this country become what it is.
Look, man, I see these comments.
They go, you can't blame the previous generations forever.
That's a cop out.
And I'm like, listen, dude, I did not open the gates and let scammers and government programs.
I never let this happen, okay?
I'm 40.
I've been arguing forever.
I've been fighting.
I was a kid when the financial, well, kid, but I was 20 when the financial crash happened.
I think I was 19, actually.
And then I turned 20.
And so I've been complaining the whole time.
And I'm sorry.
The boomers, I know you gave us Star Trek the next generation.
And for that, I will be eternally grateful.
But the reality is when all this was going on, the boomer generation largely just let this happen.
That's really it.
All that is required for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.
Good people, good persons, right?
That's what we say these days, good persons.
And so this is ultimately where we end up.
So it's brutal.
So you get this guy ripping off us, the taxpayers, for money.
Then his victims are all getting evicted.
And the cops say, court says it.
Could you imagine, you know, these people have come in to commit acts of evil against us and our own police, sheriff, are enforcing it.
Our own police.
When these cops found out what was going on, they should have been like, I'm not going anywhere near that.
It's not happening.
There was this, there's this story about what happened.
It was like the banks were going after some widow.
Let me pull this story up.
These banks went after a widow.
Bank went after a widow.
Dudes stopped it.
What's that famous story?
It's like way back in the day, there was this, what year was this?
There's this old story where like this guy dies, the woman inherits the property, but she doesn't know how to manage it properly.
And then when the banks are trying to seize her land from her, a bunch of guys got together and they basically told the bank no.
So I don't know how to find that story.
Actually, maybe you guys that are watching know the story.
What is that one?
It's like famous.
They were just like, not happening.
It's not going to happen.
These cops, this is what I'm telling you guys about police.
You know, Michael Mouse is a bit more heavy-handed than I am.
We had that culture war debate where he said, you know, his quote is like, there is no law so depraved that a police officer will not enforce it up to and including the execution of children.
And I'm just like, that's a little much, little much.
I hear what you're saying, but I don't know.
You know, tone it down a little bit.
But look at this.
So these cops know, none of these people in this building, because there was a prior eviction notice, and these people are all telling them.
They know all these people are paying their rent.
They're all paying their rent.
They don't care.
Get out.
See, that's the problem.
The other question I have is for whoever owns the building, bro.
They're paying rent, right?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
So what you should do is go to the individuals and say, you're paying me rent now, and we're going to work this out because you're better off.
So that's why I feel like something else is going on here that we're not being told about.
Like the building owner, their responsibility here too.
They were leasing it to a guy who was defrauding everybody.
And that's fine because they're a victim in that regard too.
But when they find out, wouldn't they want to be like, okay, can I go to all the tenants and maybe figure out who should stay and who shouldn't and who can keep paying rent?
Here's the secret.
I wouldn't be surprised if the issue is this.
The building owner goes to like Skye and he says, I haven't gotten any rent payment.
And she goes, I paid who?
This company.
How much did you pay him?
$300, $400.
I'm willing to bet the scam was basically you can rent to people at a discount, lie to the government and claim you're providing services.
You'll get an extra $10,000 per month, which covers the cost of bringing these people in, but the actual cost of rent is being subsidized.
Then he didn't pay the actual landowner and took all the money for himself.
But like, put it like this: let's say the average cost of rent for that unit is a thousand bucks and you can't rent it out.
Here's the con: you rent it to somebody else for 500, bill the government a thousand, put 500 in your pocket.
In this instance, I guess take all the money and put all of it in your pocket.
And there it is: the long, the long con.
You know, I think it's pretty simple.
We got to shut down the fraud, and we need a DOJ that's going to go after these people.
Hopefully, now that they know about it, though, here's the secret: law enforcement can't go after what they don't know.
And a lot of times, because tips come in.
So, when real journalists do their jobs and expose this stuff, then the DOJ can come in.
Vocal Warm-Ups Before Songs 00:05:39
tim pool
I'm going to wrap up this segment right here, my friends.
This one's been fun.
We got some more stories for you.
I want to talk about Flat Earth.
Flat Earth is fun to talk about.
Smash that like button, share the show, all that good stuff.
Stick around, and we're going to get more for you.
But we'll grab your rants, your rants, and chats and all that good stuff.
Fun Grip says, Maybe build it a van or mini trailer as a studio, like how Fox does.
We actually have one, and the idea was we could travel around with it, and then we're never in a location, but I can't.
I got a family, I can't do that.
So, yeah.
We got this.
Crazy says, If you get a chance later, check out some of the music I have on Suno, Newly Forgotten, some about politics, Epstein, conspiracies, 9-11 and life, stand down city, and paper crown are two of them.
Guys, music's over.
Music is over.
Okay.
Can I?
I'm going to play you this one song.
I played this on the members only last night.
I'm going to play this song.
I absolutely love it.
I did no work on this one.
It's electronic.
It's like just chill vibe music.
I literally just typed in ambient, dark, creepy, eerie.
It gets going, trust me.
How do you compete with that?
I'm going to jump ahead.
A lot of you may be like, I don't like that kind of music.
I like something else, whatever.
The point is this, man.
For backing tracks, for making music, we used to do libraries where human beings would make songs and load them up.
And then you'd pay a license fee to get unlimited access to those libraries.
And then they would get paid monthly for the amount of songs they have and the amount of play they get.
It's over.
I got a suno subscription.
If we want music for anything, I just go in there and click a button.
Generate 100 songs.
We listen to them, delete all the bad ones, keep the good ones.
It's over.
I don't know what you do, man.
I see some of you guys like that.
What do you think?
Do you like that one?
There's a, let me play this one that I put up on X.
So here's a story for this song.
I do vocal warm-ups in the morning.
unidentified
In a time long ago, the people cried out for a home.
tim pool
And I know the world seems cold.
And I wrote this in two minutes during my vocal warm-ups.
unidentified
So it said, cold as stone.
tim pool
The people fought and claimed a throne.
And I know the world seems cold.
unidentified
A little bit something for my bones.
tim pool
This is our home.
unidentified
We won't go gently into that cold night from the dust and broken road.
tim pool
So here's the exact process that it was that I wrote that song.
So I get in the morning and I'm, and look, I wake up and then I get all, I get ready for, you know, to come in and get ready for work.
But early in the morning, you want to get some vocal exercises.
You want to warm up.
You don't want to strain yourself.
And if I'm going to do a good segment and I'm going to be talking and animated, you can't just jump right in.
You could strain yourself.
You know what I mean?
And so grab my guitar that I got sitting right here.
And I'll just, you know, hit like a G. Do, Stuff like that.
You get warmed up.
And then so after about 30 seconds, I hit it to an F and then I started humming that melody instantly at the top of my head.
And then after like one bar, instantly just started singing the words.
They're not complicated, right?
You know, in a time long ago, people cried out for a home was not very difficult to come up with.
And the song is basically, if you haven't figured it out, it's about the creation of the United States and fighting to have a country.
And we're not going to give it up.
We're not going to go quietly.
We're not going to go gentle into that good night.
We will not just let you take from us what was built so hard.
So I wrote it and then I'm warmed up and then I recorded my morning segment.
And then I was like, you know what?
I pressed voice recorder on my phone, played the first verse in chorus, uploaded it to Suno, wrote out the rest of the lyrics, basically the second verse, and then paste, paste, paste, because the choruses are the same.
And then I said, make it like, you know, complete country, old country.
Live Feed from the Station 00:14:56
tim pool
It generated a few versions that sucked, and then that was the one that I think nailed it.
And I'm like, man, there you go.
That's it.
Good luck, I guess.
Good luck out there, everybody.
I don't know how you're going to compete with that.
Making songs that quick.
I want to talk about Joe Rogan, though.
I want to.
Let's see.
I'm checking my YouTube right now where because we're currently live streaming.
I think I got to upload.
I'm going to upload this one if I can.
Yeah, I got this Joe Rogan.
Let's get it.
I'm actually uploading a video right now while we're live streaming, which is going to go live in seven minutes.
Isn't that fun?
Joe Rogan was talking about flat earth with this guy.
I want to play it because it's absolutely hilarious.
But I'm going to, in the meantime, while you got, I should put the chat on the screen too if I'm doing stuff like this.
What are we going to call this one?
Somali fraud scam gets young woman evicted.
This sucks.
That should not be allowed.
And now we got A-B testing.
This is how long it takes me to upload a video.
You'll see.
You hear me typing.
These criminals got to go, man.
Story's going viral.
Let's see what we got here.
Now I'm going to set ads.
Doing it live.
unidentified
We'll do it live.
tim pool
I'm live streaming and simultaneously uploading the exact video that I just recorded a few minutes ago.
That would only be up by one, and people can watch it directly.
And then we'll talk about Joe Rogan and Flat Earth.
It's Friday.
We're hanging out.
We're having fun.
You know, it is what it is.
The auto-generated thumbs are always just super awful these days.
So lame.
All right, my friends.
There it is, uploaded.
Recorded and uploaded in real time live while we were here hanging out.
And then I'm going to play this flat earth thing that's really funny.
It's long, though.
That's the thing.
So let's get it.
Check this out.
Things get heated as Joe Rogan and Roger Avery discuss flat earth.
I love this, dude.
roger avary
The biggest conspiracy theory that freaks everybody out is flat earth.
unidentified
No, it doesn't.
roger avary
Now, I don't know what the earth is.
tim pool
It's round.
roger avary
But experientially, through the testimony of the eyes, it is flat.
tim pool
No, it's not.
roger avary
And there is very little chance that I will ever in my life, or most of us, will ever in our life experience anything other than what is effectively a flat earth.
That's not correct.
tim pool
Okay, I just got to say, like, bro, you can choose.
You can choose, dude.
You can choose.
You can do the experiments.
You can go up into space if you can spend the money on it.
But there are means of figuring out that the Earth is round.
roger avary
And the way laser sighting across large bodies of water or navigation maps for air travel, for pilots, is always a presumption of a flat Earth.
It's always in the pilot manuals and on maps.
unidentified
How so?
roger avary
Well, if you're flying a jet at low altitude, you're not making corrections for curvature.
tim pool
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
Corrections for curvature.
roger avary
Even though you're going fast enough where you should be.
tim pool
No.
roger avary
And so what's happening?
tim pool
What do you mean fast enough that you should be?
Gravity exists.
roger avary
Actually happening there.
Well, and so the idea is, look, I don't know what the world is or what the realm that we're in is, but experientially, from my perspective in life, it is nothing but a flat Earth.
joe rogan
But what about travel routes?
Like, what about when they fly over Antarctica?
roger avary
Well, they don't fly over Army.
joe rogan
Well, you can watch the sun rise and fall.
roger avary
They don't even fly from Cape Down to Buenos Aires.
joe rogan
There's a train standing over the equinoxes.
roger avary
They can travel up into the other hemisphere and land in London or something and then travel back down whenever you're doing a flight across the Atlantic.
tim pool
I just looked it up.
Laser sighting over long distances requires accounting for the Earth's curvature only at large distances.
And the argument about planes having to make corrections for curvature, he's arguing that a plane is going straight and because the Earth is round, they're going to have to dip periodically.
As if the plane is going up.
Like, here's the round Earth.
Gravity.
You know, that's how it works.
That's a big thick.
roger avary
And so, like, when you look at it on a flat Earth map, there are some satellite photographs of Earth from space.
Those are all cartoons.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
roger avary
I'm saying that even the NASA, the guys who actually do those composites, those are composite imagery of, listen, I am not saying that.
joe rogan
But it seems like you're saying that the Earth is possibly flat.
roger avary
I'm saying experientially.
joe rogan
Right.
tim pool
But that's a serious issue.
joe rogan
That's a scale issue, though.
roger avary
Correct.
joe rogan
We're a tiny little thing on an enormous thing.
roger avary
Correct.
joe rogan
But, you know, snipers have to calculate for the curvature of the Earth when they shoot.
roger avary
Only the curvature of the landscape that they're on.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Why do you think the landscape curves?
roger avary
The landscape doesn't curve.
It is a mountainous and uneven.
unidentified
Not always.
joe rogan
Uneven.
No, on flat planes, you have to do the same thing.
If you're making a long shot over a flat area, like if you had to shoot.
roger avary
Well, then why don't pilots make adjustments?
joe rogan
I'm not a pilot.
I don't know.
What is this?
But I do know that when you look at the film from the space station.
roger avary
I presume a flat Earth.
joe rogan
When you look at the film from the space station, you see an Earth that's not just round, but spinning.
roger avary
I see what I actually, the space station, the International Space Station is actually not high enough to see curvature.
And what you're seeing is the lens distortion.
joe rogan
It's not high enough to see curvature when you look out of the Earth.
roger avary
It's actually even – it's very, very close to the – Let's look at footage from the space station of Earth.
joe rogan
So when you see satellite images that are taken of the Earth, you think they're lying?
You think there's this grand conspiracy to piece all these pictures together and turn it into a circle instead of having a sound?
roger avary
The thing is, that's the fundamental conspiracy theory that unravels everyone.
tim pool
Well, it does not always Israel.
joe rogan
Because everything that you see in the cosmos that's a planetary body is round, including stars.
So it's all round, except for small moons.
roger avary
Everything's round and that's because I'm not even I'm not even certain certain.
joe rogan
That space exists.
roger avary
Well, that the moon is anything more than a plasma.
joe rogan
A plasma.
tim pool
What is that?
roger avary
What?
That it's a plasma effect, a lenticular effect of some kind.
joe rogan
So that it's not a real thing, but it affects the tides.
It is something that we have landed.
At the very least, we've landed probes on.
tim pool
He called the moon a lenticular effect.
And I want you to understand what he just said.
A lenticular effect is a technology that uses a specifically designed lens known as a lenticular sheet placed over an interlaced image to produce a 3D animation.
The dude is literally telling Joe Rogan that the moon is a hologram.
roger avary
Oh, no, it affects the tide.
joe rogan
People theorize this is footage from the space station.
This is live footage from the space station.
unidentified
And I'm saying that that's Lens.
roger avary
And I'm saying that's Lens curvature.
And that what you're actually seeing.
joe rogan
Why do you think that's Lens curvature?
roger avary
What you're seeing is horizon.
joe rogan
So what you're talking about is like if I'm trying to provoke you, that's what I'm saying.
Right, but let's not do that right now.
I don't want you to be completely fucking insane.
Because this is a round body, just like the moon, just like Mars, just like Jupiter, just like Uranus.
roger avary
That appears to be a but in your practical life experience, you have to accept a certain amount of faith is what I'm getting at at any moment.
joe rogan
But they understand the procession of the economics.
Okay, do you know that the procession of the Egonots is how they measure the sky over a period of 26,000 years?
roger avary
I see right there a little stitching, like right there.
unidentified
I just said this would just keep going straight from the side.
roger avary
Do you see that line right there?
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
What is that line?
roger avary
Yeah, what is that line?
Well, that looks like stitching to me.
It looks like they've stitched together and it crosses over there through that mountain range right there.
joe rogan
That is weird.
Whatever that is.
tim pool
I don't even know what they're talking about.
So I actually have this is the oh, it's over.
Let's go to NASA right here on YouTube and see what they got going on live.
And they got a lot of stuff.
Live video from the International Space Station.
Let's go with this one right here.
There's nothing.
That proves that the Earth is RBG static, I guess.
Live video.
Here we go.
Come on, baby.
Oh, they got nothing.
They got nothing for us.
What's the Artemis 2 project?
What's that?
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Is this going to go?
Is it going to launch?
When's this launching?
They're just streaming the rocket.
That's it.
It's fake, by the way.
It's not a real rocket.
It's probably actually this big, according to this guy who thinks space is fake.
Maybe there's a recording.
International Space Station Command update live video from the space station.
Okay, what's this?
Oh, what does it say?
Live video has been temporarily interrupted due to either a change in the onboard.
Can you that?
Yeah, that happens.
Okay.
So here's this.
Looks kind of like the video that they're watching, right?
It's not the same one.
I don't see a line or anything.
I don't know what they're talking about.
Is there like a different line somewhere or something?
I don't see any kind of line.
There's like a weird line.
roger avary
By your very example, I'm just saying that you have to have a certain amount of faith in that.
And on the surface, Mundus Volt Desipei.
joe rogan
Okay, what?
You're freaking me out.
Go back to that, Jamie.
So what is the explanation?
Go back a little bit.
roger avary
Yeah, what is the explanation of that line right there?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Right, but how weird is that?
That is weird.
tim pool
Ryan Super Chatted saying, y'all are talking about flat Earth, while the real debate is about donut earth.
That's my theory, dude.
The Earth is flat and hollow, making it a donut.
joe rogan
There's this line.
roger avary
Right, because that in itself is a composite image, a cartoon that has been put together for you to cartoon.
This apparently.
tim pool
Oh, I just can't stand these people.
It's like, my dude.
My dude, please, please, the Earth isn't flat.
And you know what he's trying to do?
Because he knows flat Earth is unpopular and stupid.
And he's watched a bunch of stupid videos of conjecture and he believed it.
So he goes on Joe's Joe and says, I'm not saying this, you know?
joe rogan
And is this multiple images that are supposedly pieced together?
Is that what they're talking about?
roger avary
I'm saying that things fall into, like, the way perspective works is that things appear to fall into the horizon.
But now you use a, what is that camera?
Is it a P200 camera where you can actually zoom in and lift things out of the horizon that have appeared to fall into the horizon?
joe rogan
This live video.
unidentified
What did they say, Real Cool?
roger avary
I want to get this live imagery.
unidentified
P2000.
joe rogan
And is this multiple images that are supposedly pieced together?
Is that what they're doing?
roger avary
I'm saying that things fall into, like, the way perspective works is that things appear to fall into the horizon.
But now you use a, what is that camera?
Is it a P200 camera?
unidentified
P200.
roger avary
Where you can actually zoom in and lift things out of the horizon that have appeared to fall into the horizon.
joe rogan
This live video, this live video feed from the International Space Station has been interrupted because you're watching too much due to either a change in the onboard camera configuration or a loss of signal with the communications network.
The video will return when the connection is reestablished.
So this is during the live feed.
unidentified
This isn't from NASA's YouTube channel.
It's just down right now.
joe rogan
It's just down right now.
Okay.
tim pool
So the Bird Dog Eyes P200 is a high-performance PTZ with 30X optical zoom, enabling it to zoom in distant objects while it can capture detailed footage of ships or other objects that appear to be on or just below the horizon.
It does not physically pull them from behind the curvature of the Earth.
That wasn't what I was asking.
It actually can see things.
Horizon zoom level test with the Nikon Coolpix 1000.
What is this?
My come on.
Give me a video.
P1000.
Oh, that's a better one.
Horizon ship test.
Okay, let's grab this one.
Let's prove to everybody the Earth is flat.
We don't need all that noise.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that!
tim pool
Look at it go.
Horizon ship test.
That's cool.
Look, it looks like it's sinking.
unidentified
Look at that.
tim pool
It's sinking.
Wow.
That's cool.
P1000.
I don't know that we need this weird dramatic music right now.
Look at it.
It looks like it's sinking.
Oh no, it's being obscured.
That's it.
That proves it's all fake.
See, now they swap it out and this covers it.
That proves it, right?
I can't believe there are people who think the Earth is flat, to be completely honest.
Nine kilometer distance.
Crazy.
Look at that.
It looks like it's partially submerged.
Isn't that wild?
Like the back of it.
Hey, could it be that the earth is curved?
Look at that.
It's getting lower.
It can lift things from the horizon or not.
Oh, it's sinking.
Sorry, guys.
The Earth is flat and this cruise ship is sinking.
Look, we've lost a few meters.
What was he talking about?
Earth's Curve Conspiracy 00:07:34
tim pool
Like, these people just make things up.
11.4 kilometers, 8:30 p.m.
It's underwater now.
Those poor souls on their cruise ship, they're now sinking and have been sinking for several hours.
Without worry, there it goes, disappearing on the horizon, going down.
Wow.
That's actually really cool, though.
I've never seen, you know, and it's time lapse.
You can see the cruise ship is just slowly getting lower.
Look at that.
The whole bottom of the ship is gone.
So what was he talking about?
Like, why did these people just make this stuff up?
joe rogan
You're saying that this is like a fisheye effect of a lens.
Yeah, I'm saying potentially.
roger avary
I'm saying that, and that we can even see that whenever they're up there shooting with cameras outside, you're like, oh, there's the there's the curvature.
And then every now and then the camera turns and it inverts for a moment.
Then it goes back down.
joe rogan
I've never seen that.
unidentified
I watched it.
tim pool
He's making stuff up to it.
roger avary
Listen, I'm not saying that we're not living on a globe or at least an oblate spheroid, as Neil deGrasse Tyson says, but have you ever noticed how spasticated that guy gets whenever you throw out the word flat earth?
He flips out like the way Robert De Niro flips out on like irrationally.
joe rogan
True, he flips out when you say that men can't be women, which is very weird.
Yeah, and that they should be able to compete in women's sports, which is very weird.
For a man of science, that's bonkers.
tim pool
Joe's just like also Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks men can be women.
roger avary
Go to jail and that a sex offender is a matter of money.
joe rogan
Fuck is insane.
Not just that, but rapists.
roger avary
Yeah, who gets to be able to do that?
joe rogan
Like people women and then they have to pay for their electrolysis and breast augmentation, which is okay.
tim pool
Why are we talking about this?
joe rogan
You say that this is some sort of a bizarre agenda that you're trying to get us to accept something that doesn't make any fucking sense.
So much so that you're willing to house male prisoners in with females because they say they're a male with an intact penis?
And then even if they get like female prisoners pregnant or rape them?
roger avary
We're all just trying to construct what reality is, and it tends to be a consensus of what it is.
But, you know, there are fringes on the ends that don't believe with what the consensus says.
Are they wrong?
joe rogan
But do you know how many people would have to be involved to promulgate this idea that there's a flat earth and you got to cover up that thing and pretend it's round?
And what's the motivation of covering up the fact that the earth is flat?
roger avary
I mean, if we're really fundamentally getting down to it, it's about God.
And it's about what is this realm that we're in?
And are we part of creation?
tim pool
And I'm going to go get Williams.
joe rogan
And why would every culture like that?
roger avary
Every culture throughout recorded history draws us in this kind of flat earthish environment with a dome, a firmament that covers it up until like when, the 1930s?
joe rogan
Right, when they start making telescopes.
Right.
I mean, so this is a grand conspiracy.
tim pool
They were making telescopes a long time before that, brother.
But they started making better telescopes.
And they also thought galaxies, they called them nebula.
They didn't understand that what they were looking at when they saw these things was actual galaxies.
joe rogan
Conspiracy, like Galileo was wrong, Copernicus was wrong, all these people.
roger avary
All of recorded history is wrong.
And I mean, all of recorded.
The other option is that we are just specks of nothing.
tim pool
I actually agree with them on that.
roger avary
Not in the same way, but floating around in an endless, vast nothing that goes on forever, and that you are completely.
tim pool
That's it.
He also has, he has got more to say, though.
He's got more to say.
Let's that thing go.
Finally, someone on Joe Rogan that gets it.
unidentified
For real.
roger avary
To Luciferians cast a spell on the world.
joe rogan
For real?
roger avary
Oh, absolutely.
It's just like how vampires can't go into a house unless they're invited.
They tell you what's going on ahead of time.
tim pool
I don't know who this guy is, but I was enjoyed by the inanity and insanity at the same time.
I don't know what you guys think, but I'm not convinced the Earth is flat.
MC Tunes says I can explain the line completely.
I can demolish all flat Earth arguments completely.
I know all their lies and talking points.
Why do they do it, though?
The bigger conspiracy is like, why are all these people pretending the Earth is flat?
Like, what are they getting from it?
Whatever, man.
I'm going to wrap that one up, my friends.
It's been fun hanging out with you guys.
We'll stick around live and we'll pull up your shenanigans.
You guys got any weird culture drama we could pull up?
Thanks for now, guys.
Subscribe, all that good stuff.
We'll see you in a bit.
Is there like a video of Hassan Piker saying something annoying and I could pull it up and be like, haha, I'm so much smarter than he is because that's what we're supposed to do in the culture war, right?
I do have a bunch of other stuff pulled up.
What do we have here?
O'Casprew Coffee is always good.
Okay, look at that.
Alex Stein's new Valentine's Day blend.
You can buy that.
That's good.
A video of the apocalypse.
That's always fun.
Wait, where's this bridge?
Where's this bridge going?
I had Google make this.
There's just a bridge that doesn't go anywhere.
Why would this bridge, why would they put it there?
I have questions.
I have questions.
Did you guys see this one?
Pokemon Go had a police stop on Epstein's Island.
And somebody was like, why was there a Pokemon Go stop on Epstein's Island?
And then somebody else was like, for the kids.
You know, for the kids.
Oh, man.
You know, there's so many good jokes about Epstein that I've seen recently.
And one of them was like, I can't do it.
I'm not a comedian, but it was like, you know, we're hearing now that kids are eating poor diets and they're full of microplastics because of everything's everywhere and there's hormonal imbalances.
And this is terrible.
It's terrible for the food chain that we've gotten to this point because billionaires eat that.
Yeah.
It was something like that, like billionaires eating kids and satanic pedocults.
So, you know.
Holly Movie Star says, dude on JRE co-wrote the movie Pulp Fiction.
Oh, is that who that is?
He believes the earth is flat.
He's Roger Avery.
And oh, wow, look at that.
Yeah, he did Pulp Fiction.
He did Silent Hill.
Wow.
Look at that guy.
Rules of Attraction, Beowulf.
He launched a podcast called the Video Archives Podcast.
What's that about?
Uh-huh.
They launched a podcast and they revisit films.
Okay.
Well, I like his movies.
What else has he got?
He's got Rules of Attraction, never seen it.
Lucky Day, never seen it.
Pulp Fiction and Silent Hill.
I like Silent Hill.
Reservoir Dogs, very good.
True Man's haven't seen it.
Beowulf haven't seen it.
Mr. Sitch haven't seen it.
He's got a lot of movies.
Wow.
Wow.
The worm turns.
No idea.
None.
But good for him.
You know, he thinks the earth is flat for some reason.
Insider Trading Debate 00:10:56
tim pool
You know, what are you going to do?
Do you believe stupid things, huh?
What do you guys got going on?
The old Rumble Rants.
What's up with the latest Rumble Rants?
JC Ward says he had a Second Island Great St. James.
Is that true?
That sounds like something you made up.
I don't think that's real.
All right, let's see what we got going on.
I think I should probably go to Buffalo Wild Wings, go get some chicken.
Let's see.
Soup Rumble Rants.
Gage Ramsey says, Brother Tim, tell George Santos to go to the State of the Union, please.
Can we pull that one up?
Call she Soto.
Who will attend?
So it's really funny because expired session.
No, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm not trying to buy anything.
Who will go?
Where's George Santos at now?
Did he jump in odds?
Because I said on my show I was going to call him.
George Santos, look at this.
Because I was on Timcast IRL.
I was like, should I call George right now and ask him if he's going?
And then I didn't say anything about whether he was or wasn't.
I just laughed because he texted me back.
George, you're great.
I'm a big fan.
He's a good dude.
George.
He was trading at 9%.
Yes.
And now he's at 19.
So if you were to bet $100 that he's going.
Oh, I can't get the number.
Oh, no, you can.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
You'll win 556.
I don't know if he's going.
The craziest thing about it, in my opinion, is I'm a fan of Cauchy.
I like it.
But there's this article that I actually read from a guy who I normally don't like.
He's a liberal guy.
Let me pull it up actually.
Because he makes an interesting point.
The Cauchy CEO said that kind of gets into weird territory.
Actually, I don't need to pull it up.
I'll just tell you.
Basically, insider trading is supposed to be trading on non-public material, right?
Well, the issue is people don't understand exactly what that means.
So farmers are allowed to trade on grain futures, even though they have access to information nobody else has.
But it's because there's a difference between what really constitutes material, non-public and public material.
So somebody asked the CEO, like, if you could bet on the first song performed by Bad Bunny, is that insider trading?
The dancers know what the song is, right?
So if you're hired to be a dancer and you're doing rehearsal and they say, which will be the first song played, you know for a fact because you're involved.
But that is not material, non-public information.
Because, and so they're allowed to actually bet on it.
If you're a dancer for Bad Bunny and you knew the song that was going to be played, you are allowed.
You are allowed to bet, not insider information.
The argument is where the line is between insider information and the actual argument would be Bad Bunny is in a boardroom and they say just to the internal board planning meeting, the first song will be this.
If one of those people then bought a trade, that would be insider trading.
But the moment they tell employees, contractors, it is now public.
So there's arguments about when it is insider or not.
But imagine it this way.
If a company announced to their staff that they would be like, if I announced to my staff, I will or will not be attending.
Let me see if I can find this one.
Who will attend press briefing?
Caulchie.
Because this is where it gets interesting.
Who will attend a White House press briefing this year?
And I'm the top.
So stupid.
So here's the thing.
It is not insider trading.
If I announce to my staff, I'm planning on going.
Because now that information has been given to the public.
Employees aren't inherently insiders.
This is where things get really weird.
And regardless, because I've been talking about this for a minute, I refuse to accept restrictions on my behavior and what I am or not, am allowed to or not allowed to say because somebody wants to make a bet on it.
Period.
Okay.
I don't know why anybody's betting on this.
I really don't.
I talked about it and then people bet on it, but I have no idea if I will or won't go.
I mean, that's the honest truth.
If I get a call tomorrow, so the first time I went, they reached out to me and said, would you be interested in coming?
I said, sounds good.
And so I went.
What I will say is this.
I have been invited to an event pertaining to the State of the Union planning.
I'm not going to say much more beyond that.
And as it pertains to the, let's go back to the who will attend the State of the Union.
I'm not so sure I see a Tim Pool here.
I don't see, there's no Tim Pool, huh?
Why not?
No, Nick Shirley hoping AI technology will get discussed.
Will Barron.
No one is making a wager as to whether or not I will appear at the State of the Union.
And I wonder why that is.
Can you make contracts?
Because that would be interesting, you know.
But let me just say this.
I have been invited to an event pertaining to the planning and structure of the State of the Union.
I'm not going to say much more beyond that.
But that's what's funny.
Because that's like substantially more definitive in my mind.
Let me say this.
I am literally going to be at a planning event for the State of the Union.
It's 100%.
Now, what that means for the State of the Union itself, I can't say.
But this press briefing thing.
So basically, I was like, I get a text and they were like, would you want to take the chair?
And I said, sure.
That could literally happen tomorrow.
Like, if I got a text right now and they were like, hey, Tim, we want you to come, I'd go.
You know, I'd be like, yeah, sure.
And I'd think of a good question.
And then it resolves.
But I have no plans right now.
I have no idea.
And you got a year.
So what can I say?
In 10 months, will I be there?
I guess maybe.
Maybe.
I reject.
I reject any restriction on what I can or can't say because someone else decided to make a wager on something I might do.
That's the point.
And then I look at like George Santos, for instance, on that whether or not he'll go to the State of the Union.
And people are saying, oh, you know, tell him to go, tell him to go.
Here's the crazy thing.
unidentified
I could.
tim pool
I could.
Here's what's BS.
Let's say that I know somebody who wants to buy this.
Let's say I want to buy shares in George Santos going to the State of the Union.
Let's say for entirely different reasons, I also believe it would be appropriate for him to go.
I'm no longer allowed to tell a guy I know to do a thing because I'm wagering that he would do a thing.
I don't like this.
I don't like this.
We're not talking about sports betting.
We're not talking about stock markets.
I understand manipulating markets is bad because you're defrauding people and all this stuff.
But why am I not allowed to tell a guy to do this thing?
I don't respect that.
I don't know why Brylon Hollyham would go, but George Santos should go.
You know, whatever.
I don't like it.
I just don't like it.
Whatever.
What do we got going on in the world today?
What is this?
I'm reading news right now for my team, seeing if something's happening.
It looks like nothing.
Nothing.
I'm probably going to wrap it soon, maybe in seven minutes or so.
This has been fun.
Recorded a couple of little segments out of it.
I'll upload them.
Let's see what you guys got going on.
We ride some of your rumble rants.
Ben Reynolds says, AI content can be amazing.
Heck, I have an AI art business on Amazon, Retro Record Artists, Retro Record Art Vault.
Artists complaining about AI is like a farmer complaining about a tractor.
Daring Dew says a possible solution to the quantity issue is subletting the Tim News brand.
Basically, you allow local news segments to be made by people from their local state news with the same Tim quality.
So here's what we do.
Here's the plan.
You take my likeness and my voice, and then I will report on an article for you, AI generated.
How does that sound?
I'm kidding.
Let's see what's up.
Let's see what's up.
We're going to wrap it up in a minute or so.
Fridays, man.
The pool party.
Dude on Jay.
Oh, wait, Whitey Bolger, FBI Informant, ironically another PDF file, used lottery earnings to launder money.
Jeffrey Epstein Company also won the lotto.
Did it really?
Wow.
Let's see.
Lapco.
I'm in Oklahoma City, and I don't even think the earth is flat, right?
Ryan, the eating warrior, says, Y'all are talking about flat earth, while the real intellectual debate is, oh, yeah, we read that one.
We read that one.
Let's see.
Last responder says, How does that guy make it on Rogan and not Ben Davidson?
I get having on different opinions, but holy-ish.
Man, we all want Joe to have people on that Joe doesn't want to have on, and it's fine because it's his thing.
He can do whatever he wants.
But wouldn't it be great if Joe had on Ben Davidson?
You know, Shane Cashman should be on Joe Rogan.
Because I actually told this to Joe, like, dude, this is a conversation up your alley, but I don't know.
Joe, just, he talks to whoever he wants to talk to him, there's always allowed.
A lot of people want people to, well, a lot of people want me to bring people on Timcast.
I don't do that.
I'm going to wrap things up, my friends.
We made it through.
I did some heavy reaction videos where I watched videos in that talk as much, and I still end up talking a lot.
The Abu Profan is going to wear off, and then I'm going to be in a lot of pain.
So I'm going to go get some Taco Bell or something.
Thank you guys so much for so not alone.
Not Allen Rodgers says the call she's shilling is getting so old.
Shilling?
In all seriousness, Caulse sponsors us, but I'm actually, I was actually kind of concerned because I've been ragging on the fact that regulations were created due to what Kalshi was doing.
You call that shilling?
Man.
Yo, brain don't work, bro.
Anyway, I'm going to get going.
I'm going to go eat some food or something.
So, guys, it's been fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Special live stream on Friday.
It is what it is.
Thanks for hanging out, guys.
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