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Debate Over Gender Surgery
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| The culture war is still raging, and a woman in New York has won a malpractice suit over gender surgery as a minor. | ||
| So, in a legal first, the jury in New York awarded $2 million to a patient who said that doctors have deviated from special from accepted medical standards. | ||
| Now, this has been going on for years and years. | ||
| There's been a debate whether or not it's gender-affirming care or you're actually harming children. | ||
| Personally, I think that it's actually harming children, but we're going to get into that. | ||
| But joining us today to talk about that is Chrissy Mayer. | ||
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Oh, my gosh. | |
| Thank you so much for having me, Phil. | ||
| Thank you for joining us. | ||
| Tell everyone who you are, please. | ||
| Hello, I'm a stand-up comedian and podcaster based in New York. | ||
| So, this story is near and dear to my heart. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| All right, so we're going to get right into it. | ||
| Like I said, from the New York Times, in the first malpractice verdict against providers of gender-affirming care for minors, a jury in New York State has awarded a woman $2 million in damages for a double mastectomy she received as a teenager that she said had left her disfigured. | ||
| The plaintiff, Fox Varian, 22 of Yorktown Heights, has accused her psychologist and plastic surgeon who performed the operation of failing to obtain adequate consent about the risks before she agreed to undergo the procedure in 2019. | ||
| Now, in 2019, she was 15 years old. | ||
| This girl transitioned. | ||
| I'm sorry, in 2019, she was 16 years old. | ||
| This girl transitioned 11 months prior to the operation when she was 15, when she started dressing as a boy and stuff. | ||
| They go on to say she also claims that the providers had deviated from a standard practice governing gender-related medical care. | ||
| Ms. Varian, who was 16 at the time of surgery, was assisted, was assigned female at birth, which is an it is so dystopian that the New York Times uses this kind of language, saying assigned a gender. | ||
| Personally, I don't even like to use the term gender. | ||
| I think that you have a sex, and gender is just a made-up term specifically by the left for these kinds of things. | ||
| I know we've been using it for a long time, but the guy that came up with the term, I think his name was John Money. | ||
| John Money. | ||
| John Money. | ||
| And he's got a sorted past of some really deviant stuff. | ||
| But anyways, goes on. | ||
| She later came to regret the decision to transition and now identifies as a woman. | ||
| An example of a process known as detransitioning. | ||
| So a person is trans, they decide that they're going to live, person thinks they're trans, they decide that they're going to live their life as another, as the opposite sex. | ||
| Sometimes they go through with all sorts of surgeries. | ||
| They'll take drugs. | ||
| They'll do all kinds of things, tell their whole family and friends that they're a different, different sex. | ||
| And then they go ahead and say, wait a minute, this is actually not me. | ||
| Specifically, when they're young people, but they'll say, this is not me, and then they'll go ahead and detransition. | ||
| The verdict, which was announced on Friday, following a three-week trial in White Plains, was first reported by the free press. | ||
| Individuals who decide to detransition have often been cited by the Trump administration in its efforts to ban gender-affirming care for minors. | ||
| There's an argument that you hear from the left all the time. | ||
| They say, well, this stuff doesn't happen to kids. | ||
| Nobody does that to kids. | ||
| But yet you'll also hear politicians on the left saying that we need to protect trans kids. | ||
| The lieutenant governor of Minnesota is famous for wearing a shirt that not only does it say protect trans kids, but it's got a knife implying violence is necessary. | ||
| It's all propaganda. | ||
| I'm so happy to see this happening, especially in a place like New York. | ||
| You have so many of these cases coming out of extremely leftist, woke places like New York and California. | ||
| Chloe Cole is probably one of the most famous examples of a detransitioner. | ||
| And you hear from both of these, the therapist and the surgeon should be thrown behind bars. | ||
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Good. | |
| Like, I'm glad to see this beginning to happen because it's just like they're very much taking advantage of, I'm sorry, it's mostly teenage girls who go through this. | ||
| They're taking advantage of them at a very vulnerable part in their lives. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of statistics. | ||
| Most of these girls that decide to transition have suffered abuse. | ||
| Maybe they're just having an emote teenage phase. | ||
| Either way, it's like, this is why if you really want to do this, you got to wait till you're an adult and your brain is a little bit more formed. | ||
| There's just, there's so much proof that these surgeries do not prevent suicide and they will trick parents. | ||
| They will basically get parents to begrudgingly go along with this. | ||
| Elon Musk is such a famous example of somebody who was like, God, I was sort of bamboozled. | ||
| No parent wants all children, all people were born in the body that God made them in. | ||
| Everybody is born perfectly exactly as they should be. | ||
| And these therapists and doctors make so much money doing this, which is why they do it. | ||
| They want to create lifelong medical customers and they'll trick parents into going along with it by saying, well, you want to have an alive son or a dead daughter. | ||
| And they'll manipulate parents into paying for these kinds of things. | ||
| And it's abuse. | ||
| It's child abuse. | ||
| It's child sterilization. | ||
| And I'm glad to finally see some actual sanity and people being held to account a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, I think that this is going to open the door for a lot of lawsuits. | ||
| Now that there's precedent that this young lady was awarded such a large sum of money, there's going to be a lot of lawyers that are going to be like, yo, I'll take the case. | ||
| They're like, this is going to be lucrative for a lot of lawyers. | ||
| But beyond that, the fact that people that have been coerced into these kind of procedures, whether they were knowingly, whether they volunteered for them or not, young people are impressionable. | ||
| There's a reason we don't let people that are under 18 do certain things. | ||
| I mean, we don't let people under 25 rent cars. | ||
| Sometimes you can't rent a hotel if you're under 25. | ||
| You can't get a tattoo till you're 18. | ||
| And are these the same parents? | ||
| Like if your kid wanted breast implants, would you go along with that too? | ||
| If they wanted to stay, you know, that's gender affirmation in the other way, right? | ||
| Like, why don't we just affirm the gender you were born with? | ||
| You know, the fact that, like I said, about the age of 25, that's the age that your prefrontal lobe actually stops growing, stops developing. | ||
| You can't make really good, informed decisions when you're that young. | ||
| You're too emotional. | ||
| You're too reactive. | ||
| You don't have the same kind of ability to weigh the pros and cons. | ||
| And it's something you see all the time, kids making bad decisions, which kids do. | ||
| And it's perfectly fine that kids make bad decisions if you have parents there to guide them, if you have parents to help them through issues that they're having. | ||
| But when you have what you would consider, you know, experts or authorities like doctors, like psychologists telling these kids, hey, this is the way that it is. | ||
| This is, you actually have this. | ||
| This is not actually a problem. | ||
| You were just born in the wrong body and we have the solution. | ||
| You're warping children's minds. | ||
| They were really concerned with helping children. | ||
| Let's make it so that if these therapists and doctors want to do this, you don't make a dime for it, okay? | ||
| And if you still want to do this, then maybe we could believe possibly you're interested in helping children. | ||
| But like, let's just see how many of them still do it when there's no money in it for them. | ||
| Your initial comments on this topic really hit on so many good points because it is something where the drug companies are basically making forever customers, right? | ||
| They're going to be on drugs that support the Lupron or whatever else. | ||
| Well, I mean, not only that, but like, you know, if you're hormones, and you were specifying women, and there's some points that I want to get to about females, but when you're talking about males that get gender reassignment surgery, they have what amounts to a wound for their entire life. | ||
| There's drugs that they're on their entire life, not just about, you know, not just estrogen, but you're on drugs that also, you know, help your body deal with the fact that you're trying to keep this open, you know? | ||
| And so it's, you know, quackery from the top to the bottom, whether you're dealing with psychologists that are oftentimes, I mean, if you're a psychologist and you're trying to convince kids that they're born in the wrong body, you're not helping them. | ||
| No. | ||
| The idea that this is a way to save lives is their mind. | ||
| You're just putting a surgery on top of all the existing problems. | ||
| And it's just like, let kids go through puberty. | ||
| Let them go through. | ||
| Everyone's got an awkward time. | ||
| Like when we were growing up, like this was so far out of the realm of possibility. | ||
| It's like, yeah, it's called, we're all awkward at this age. | ||
| We have braces. | ||
| We're all uncomfortable in our bodies. | ||
| And it's just let it run its course. | ||
| If you are 18 or whatever age that your parents consider you an adult and you want to do this with yourself, that's with your own money. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Yeah, we've got a great piece from CBS here about this. | ||
| Bring this. | ||
| 22-year-old woman, $2 million in damages over her gender transition surgery that took place when she was a teenager. | ||
| The plaintiff accused her psychologist and plastic surgeon of violating standard practices in their fields that led to her receiving a gender transition double mastectomy that she feels left her disfigured. | ||
| Benjamin Ryan wrote about the first malpractice verdict against providers of gender affirming care for minors for the free press. | ||
| He was the only reporter to attend the entire three-week trial. | ||
| We should note Paramount, the parent company of CBS News, owns the free press. | ||
| For more on this, Benjamin joins us now here in Studio 57. | ||
| He is an independent reporter who covers youth gender medicine, including on his sub stack. | ||
| So Benjamin, let's go ahead and talk about the verdict itself. | ||
| What stood out to you about the jury's reasoning here? | ||
| Well, it's hard to know exactly what they were thinking, but what they were convinced by was that the psychologist and the plastic surgeon didn't communicate well with one another. | ||
| And the psychologist in particular was faulted for being sloppy and essentially being rushed in his care of this girl. | ||
| It was only about 11 months between the time when she first socially transitioned at the age of 15 and a half and she ultimately had her breasts removed at age 16 and a half. | ||
| What do you think that this verdict will mean for future lawsuits of this kind? | ||
| Well, I've certainly spoken with other litigators, other lawyers in this field, and they do feel that this will embolden others to join the field. | ||
| Others have been waiting on the sidelines. | ||
| So there are about 27 other similar cases that I've been able to tabulate. | ||
| Some of them run into statutes of limitations where there's a short period of time after which you can file a lawsuit. | ||
| But there's one coming up in Missouri in August and also a very big one. | ||
| Chloe Colt, probably the most famous detransitioner, her trial against Kaiser Permanente will be in California in April. | ||
| What was it like in the courtroom? | ||
| It was very powerful. | ||
| I think in particular, we've heard a lot about this talk about suicide, about that these treatments and surgeries prevent suicide. | ||
| And to hear this mother to say that she was opposed to the surgery from the start, that she was browbeaten by the psychologist in her words, to ultimately consenting, even though she never wanted it. | ||
| And then we heard from Dr. Lauren Schechter, and he's the head of gender affirming surgery at Rush University in Chicago. | ||
| And he said, he's also, by the way, the president-elect of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health. | ||
| And he said that these surgeries are not suicide prevention. | ||
| So that was a. | ||
| That's a really, really important point. | ||
| The argument that you constantly hear from the left is, look, it's better to have a living son than a dead daughter, or vice versa. | ||
| And that's such a manipulation. | ||
| It's such a disgusting manipulation. | ||
| The evidence shows that this does not actually prevent suicide. | ||
| The suicide rate among people that are transgender is astronomical. | ||
| I think that it's only, it's only like similar to the people that were in concentration camps in Nazi Germany, like something like 40% or something like that. | ||
| I think it increases the rate of suicide, actually, because when the dust settles, the kids are like, oh, like I still feel the way I feel. | ||
| I just now don't, I just now am sterile the rest of my life. | ||
| And to your point earlier, you were talking about how it's young girls that are very frequently getting this. | ||
| You know, the rates of bulimia and anorexia have dropped significantly, whereas the rate of, you know, trans boys, they would say, has risen, of course, in a, in correspondence. | ||
| Like, this is actually body dysmorphia. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Or it's a lot of times autism. | ||
| A lot of times these girls have autism and they just have that confusion and maybe masking of like how to how to portray their social skills. | ||
| They just not making friends. | ||
| That's part of why they don't feel comfortable in their own skin. | ||
| Plus puberty, you're not going to solve that with cosmetic procedures. | ||
| There's one more bit that I want to get to in this piece here. | ||
| It's very quick. | ||
| A very powerful moment. | ||
| And we should mention also that it is a very small number of people who do end up detransitioning, right? | ||
| The numbers are unknown, maybe 5% to 10%, but there's not enough research for us to really be able to tell at this time. | ||
| Because they're too embarrassed to say anything to anybody. | ||
| The thing is, like, once you've made that kind of massive life change, it's not just about, oh, I was wrong and I want to go back. | ||
| It's also you have to tell all the people in your family. | ||
| A lot of times, if you transition, there's a whole lifestyle of a change that comes along with it. | ||
| So it's not just, oh, I want to go back. | ||
| It's I'm going to have to change all my friends. | ||
| I'm going to deal with the attacks from the left because the left is not nice to people that detransition. | ||
| You will be ostracized by the LGBT trans community. | ||
| And it's going to be such a blow to go from, I mean, that's part of the reason why these kids are attracted to transitioning because, like, wow, I get all this attention. | ||
| Look how glamorous it looks on YouTube. | ||
| Look, wow, I'm getting all this positive attention from my counselors, from my teachers, and then the teachers. | ||
| It's a whole other thing. | ||
| It boosts their ego because they're like, oh, I sort of found and helped this trans kid come out, which is very sick and twisted. | ||
| And they do it for their own ego boost, really. | ||
| And it's just, it's really horrible. | ||
| And like, not only are you ostracized by the trans community, you're losing all that positive affirmation that you were getting. | ||
| And you have to kind of slink back to your parents, be like, oh, you guys were right. | ||
| But which teenager wants to do that? | ||
| Plus, you already have the ill effects of the hormones and getting your breasts removed. | ||
| You're horribly disfigured. | ||
| Oftentimes, these girls' voices are permanently deepened. | ||
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Comedy Show Cancellations
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| Yeah. | ||
| So it's just a horrible thing, but it is good to see that she did win the case and that there's going to be changes moving forward. | ||
| So this is a victory for people that are against mutilating kids and stuff. | ||
| Right now, we're going to go to this story about what was his name? | ||
| Ben Bankis. | ||
| Ben Bankis. | ||
| He's a comedian at Toronto. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, we touched on this a little bit last night on IRL. | ||
| He based out of Toronto, and he had six sold-out shows in Minnesota, and they canceled his shows after some jokes he made about Renee Good went viral. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, from Fox News, comedian Defiant as Minnesota Venue cancels six sold-out shows after he mocked Renee Goode. | ||
| A Minnesota comedy club abruptly canceled six sold-out shows by comedian Ben Bankus after a viral clip of his stand-up routine in which he mocked a woman who was shot and killed by an immigrant and customs enforcement agent, ignited outrage. | ||
| Laugh Camp Comedy Club in St. Paul pulled the plug on Bank of scheduled January 30th, February 1st performances after backlash erupted over jokes he made about Renee Goode, a 37-year-old Minneapolis mother of three who was killed during an encounter with federal immigration authorities earlier this month. | ||
| Now, joining us to talk about this is Jessica Missentino. | ||
| I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name. | ||
| Sorry, Missatano, dude. | ||
| Missatano, there we go. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| Thank you for joining us. | ||
| Hey, long time to OC, dude. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So you're friends with Ben? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Actually, so you're talking about the canceled shows that he had? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I was there the night he was like text where he found out about it. | ||
| He was texting it because I did a spot for him. | ||
| And I mean, what are you going to do? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think it's a little ridiculous. | ||
| But at the end of the day, like Ben knows the kind of material he does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You're fine. | |
| Chris, do you think that he expects this kind of stuff? | ||
| Or did you think that he was kind of like, well, you know, I think that woke is done, which I would argue that woke is not over, that it's just as strong. | ||
| It's just not in a position of authority anymore. | ||
| It's disappointing to see comedy club owners cave under this kind of pressure, considering the fact that the woke leftists that try to cancel your shows are never people that will buy any comedy tickets. | ||
| They'll never see anyone. | ||
| They'll never support any entertainer or any artist that a club owner is going to book. | ||
| But I think someone like a comedian like Ben is a really good example of like, you never ever apologize for jokes. | ||
| You need to double down. | ||
| You need to like, when this sort of thing happens to you, turn it into content, turn that into dollars. | ||
| I think he did end up rebooking these shows somewhere and give another comedy club owner the opportunity to like pick up all that money and focus on their business instead of activism. | ||
| Yeah, I think one of the most, yeah, I agree with you when you say that woke, woke's not over. | ||
| It's kind of like a sleeping beast right now. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So right now they don't really have it's their words don't really have as much effect. | ||
| They've just been over pacified to the point where they think that the whole world needs to care about their insecurities and their fears. | ||
| So, but coming after a comic for doing what a comic does is one of the craziest things. | ||
| And I've never understood that. | ||
| Like being a comic, like comics are supposed to be dirtbags already to begin with. | ||
| Like we're just like, we look at the, we look at the humor because we're fucked up. | ||
| We've all been molested. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Like we've all been through ship. | ||
| Someone's seen someone die. | ||
| They've buried their parents. | ||
| Like that's what we do. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So the idea that they even should have a say in this is kind of crazy. | ||
| So do you, do you think that this is something that's going to happen that's going to continue happening? | ||
| Or do you think this is going to make some kind of change or is it going to be something that is still a concern for comics? | ||
| Like, because I know there was a time when this was really a big deal. | ||
| I mean, Chrissy's dealt with people coming after her for making inappropriate jokes and stuff. | ||
| Do you think that it's something that is going to be present in people's minds? | ||
| That's always going to be a factor. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's always going to be there. | ||
| And here's the thing is it should be there in a degree, to a degree, because there are actual people that are pieces of shit that are like, yo, dude, this guy like killed his wife. | ||
| Why is he up here doing open mics? | ||
| Which does happen. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Oh, I remember that guy. | ||
| I think if anything, they just need to learn to pick and choose their fucking battles. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Coming after a comic for doing what a comic does, which is making jokes. | ||
| Like Ben's a good guy. | ||
| That's the thing that people don't understand. | ||
| But, you know, coming after a comic for making a joke about something, it's ultimately so selfish because you're making this comedian, these jokes, and making it about you. | ||
| And it's like, okay, well, this isn't for you. | ||
| Why don't you go find a comedian that you do enjoy and support them? | ||
| But again, it's like we have been placating. | ||
| We have been pacifying these people for 10 plus years now. | ||
| How many administrations have been like, you know, yeah, you're right. | ||
| This is hate speech. | ||
| You know, this would normally get you thrown off Twitter how many years ago. | ||
| And people are still, and again, you're giving the comedians so much power when you do this. | ||
| Cause again, like if they're smart, like Ben, you'll turn this into dollar signs ultimately and a good advertisement for yourself and your shows. | ||
| So your point about making, turning this into something that actually helps promote the brand of the comic, that's something that is actually, I don't want to say that it's new, but it had gone away with woke for a while. | ||
| There was a time, you know, maybe six, six, seven years ago, where if you got, maybe 10 years ago now, but if you got branded as like the bad person, if you said something and you got quote unquote canceled, you had to go into hiding. | ||
| Everybody was like, nope, we won't touch them because the left is so organized and they're so vocal in their crap. | ||
| They just, they'll sit there and they'll inundate, you know, a comedy club or they'll inundate a venue and say, hey, you guys can't have this. | ||
| And there's a phenomenon that happens online. | ||
| If you get 500 or 1,000 people that are motivated enough to go and fill a comedy club's timeline with stuff or go to their Google reviews than it is. | ||
| It seems like it's overwhelming. | ||
| Because people can only deal with, you know, people aren't used to being inundated with information that way. | ||
| And they don't really, you know, you're not used to that kind of stuff. | ||
| If you have 20 voicemails on your comedy club landline, you're going to be like, oh my God, we're going to be ruined. | ||
| You know, your Google reviews goes, they just inundate that. | ||
| And all you have to do is go to Reddit and start a post. | ||
| And it's easy to find 100 people from all over the world. | ||
| They don't have to be from St. Paul. | ||
| These are professional activists. | ||
| These are the same kind of people who are getting paid to currently protest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, have you ever been on that on that side of like somebody trying to dox you, things like that? | ||
| Do you guys, have you guys dealt with that? | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| We've all been swatted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm in a heavy metal band and I've been vocal against woke since woke was a thing. | ||
| And there have been times where people have called venues and tried to get our shows canceled and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, remember this summer? | ||
| I got like, I got removed from other DC circuit DJing because I said some show on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I try to look at things from both sides, from both point of view. | ||
| And like, I understand like a true comedy club for people that love fucking comedy and respect the craft, they're going to be like, why is it a club defending us? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I look at the business aspect of like, if you've been on the receiving, receiving end of a doxing where people leave bad reviews, they're constantly blowing up your lines. | ||
| They're passing around information to not do business with you. | ||
| I see both sides of the coin. | ||
| So you know what I mean? | ||
| I understand the club wanting to respect its reputation. | ||
| And I also respect Ben for wanting to, like, he turned it into content. | ||
| But I mean, I think the club owners, they're not so stupid that when they book somebody, they have no clue what their political leanings are. | ||
| They have no clue what males are like. | ||
| It's like, it's a pussy move to book somebody and then go back on that contract, be like, it's like, this is actually these kinds of viral moments help sell tickets, you morons. | ||
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Yeah, totally. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And there are those, I mean, there are those clubs out there that don't give a fuck that are like, yeah, but that's what we want. | ||
| We care about that side. | ||
| So you're, it just, it depends on the club. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And thank God for them. | ||
| That's who you want to work with. | ||
| And there are times where. | ||
| Where was the show canceled? | ||
| St. Paul. | ||
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St. Paul. | |
| Minnesota. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's kind of the epicenter of what's going on right now. | ||
| You can walk to the place where she was killed. | ||
| And Tiva's already in town. | ||
| So, you know, it's like, well, I mean, they shouldn't have canceled it. | ||
| But I mean, if there was a town where you would be like, you know, this might be dangerous. | ||
| But you know, I didn't know that it was in Minnesota. | ||
| I didn't know it was there because I heard his five minutes. | ||
| He started his. | ||
| I think it had the five minutes on immigration. | ||
| I think the jokes, like with the material, he was like that clip was from a club he did in Poughkeepsie. | ||
| And then like the St. Paul Club, you know, in advance, canceled his sold-out shows. | ||
| So he didn't say these jokes in Minnesota, but he probably would have. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why would you change your bit? | ||
| You know, why would you change your set? | ||
| You know, you've got a certain amount of jokes or certain jokes that you're going to do. | ||
| And I mean, maybe he's trying some new stuff out or what have you, because that's, if I understand correctly, you guys will go to a club and try jokes out some nights and see what works and see what doesn't. | ||
| Why would he change the stuff for this particular club? | ||
| But look at it. | ||
| Yeah, if that's what he wanted, you know what I mean? | ||
| But there are some people out there that just that like, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We had a very similar situation happen a couple years ago with I made a joke about Dylan Mulvaney and that went viral. | ||
| And it's just, but that's the idea. | ||
| That's this is kind of the new model of comedy. | ||
| If you're smart, you will make a joke about something that's trending to help you go viral to help because social media is such a huge component of the business model. | ||
| You booked topical comedy has always been a thing, right? | ||
| Like if there's something in the news or whatever, you know, whether it be, I mean, I mean, Richard Pryor was joking about when he burned him, you know, caught himself on fire. | ||
| And so it's like, this is, this is something that's been part and parcel of comedy forever, you know? | ||
| So, yeah, so I do think that it was bad that they canceled it, but I will say that it's not a surprise considering the Twin Cities and, you know, St. Paul's right there, or Minneapolis is right there. | ||
| And it is dangerous when you've got that many activists. | ||
| You know, all there. | ||
| Minneapolis has become an activist tourist site at this point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, well, because, you know, when the state and local governments don't want to do anything to stop the protesters and stuff, I imagine they would be protesting outside of the club. | ||
| Yeah, they've all been busting and they have no plans at night. | ||
| So what else are they going to do? | ||
| They'll be there drunk, you know, making a bunch of noise. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| We appreciate you coming on in such short notice. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So you want to shout anything out? | ||
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| Plug your dates. | ||
| Do you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Plug your show. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Yeah, you guys can follow me on Instagram, Jessica Masatano. | ||
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| Thanks, Jessica. | ||
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| Everyone, follow Jessica now. | ||
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| So we are going to actually jump to, where is it? | ||
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| Not that one. | ||
| We've got another guest joining us right now. | ||
| I think he's on the line now. | ||
| He'll be in a second, yeah. | ||
| Okay, so he's going to be on just a second. | ||
| Ryan James Gerduski is going to be joining us to talk about the CDC mentioning that or announcing that babies born to non-white, non-Hispanic whites parents are up for a second year in a row. | ||
| 34 states report increasing birth rates, defying trends. | ||
| And it's worth noting that not only is it up with white people, but it's down across the board for other, you know, other ethnicities and stuff. | ||
| So well, I mean, God, there's so much there. | ||
| I mean, first of all, I think that's thanks to you and I personally, Phil, because we have both given birth in the last couple years. | ||
| And Tim, so let's pat ourselves on the back. | ||
| And I mean, God, there's still the abortion industrial complex and the statistics show us what race they're targeting. | ||
| You know, and it is worth noting that like the idea that we have a declining population, this is something that Elon Musk gets on about all the time. | ||
| He's like, oh, you know, there's going to be a population crash. | ||
| There's definitely going to be a population crash in China because of the one child policy that they have and all of the downstream effects for that, where there were people that were saying they would abort a girl if they were pregnant with a girl and they would have the boy or whatever and all the terrible stuff that goes along with it. | ||
| But a population crash is something that happens regularly in developed societies. | ||
| Like when you get into a modern society, for lack of a better term, a first world society or a wealthy society, people start making different choices as opposed to saying, well, we're just going to go ahead and have kids because there's nothing else to do. | ||
| People are just like, well, I want to focus on my career or I want to focus on making sure that we have enough money for the child and all these other things getting. | ||
| You talk yourself out of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's something that, to be honest with you, like that's probably not all that great of an idea. | ||
| You know, like you really should put having a family as the first thing. | ||
| It is the most important thing you can do. | ||
| And I think people are realizing that. | ||
| It's like you can figure out everything else in your life while prioritizing getting married and having a family. | ||
| And people are seeing, wow, well, it's even more important because of our birth rates are falling. | ||
| And we're seeing ourselves get replaced by other groups of people. | ||
| Immigration is, you know, they're bringing in a whole other voter class. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there is the argument that people make all the time that, like, look, you know, people are not cogs. | ||
| The blank slate is wrong, right? | ||
| Like people, individuals matter. | ||
| People are particular. | ||
| And there's nothing magical about the dirt in America, where as soon as you come to America, you become an American. | ||
| True, dude. | ||
| I made a post about that today by Reagan saying that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Actually, on my Twitter just today. | ||
| You're pointing out that he had Alzheimer's. | ||
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| You know, but it's true. | ||
| It's like the people make the country, right? | ||
| The land doesn't make the country. | ||
| And so if you have a different, you know, culture come into the country or people with a different culture and that have different values, you do have a different country, right? | ||
| Like if you have people that are that come into the country and they think, well, you know, it's OK to. | ||
| So I was listening to an interview with Schellenberger and he was saying, look, you know, there are parts of the world where corruption is just normal, right? | ||
| If you're in India, it's normal to be like, okay, the renter, the guy that owns the property that you're living in, you'll pay him to turn on the electricity. | ||
| But what happens is he doesn't turn on the electricity for your apartment. | ||
| He goes to the electric company and he bribes someone there and turns on the electricity for your apartment. | ||
| So it's not actually a normal situation like it is, like we would consider it in the West. | ||
| Or if you go to, if you get a job in places in South America, if you get a job, the guy that's giving you a job expects 10% or 20% of your check, like a VIG for forever, for as long as you're working there. | ||
| And that kind of stuff matters because that kind of stuff is just like you don't even think about it. | ||
| Like that's, that's unimaginable in the West. | ||
| You know, you get pulled over in Eastern Europe and if you just put a couple hundred dollars out the, you get pulled over for being drunk, put a couple hundred dollars out the window and the guy will escort you home, you know? | ||
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| So joining us right now to talk about this is Orion Grudowski. | ||
| How you doing, Ryan? | ||
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| How are you doing? | ||
| Doing very good. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| We were just talking about your tweet about the CDC saying that white births are up for the first time in ages, and we'd like your input on that. | ||
| Great. | ||
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| So the CDC data is the official government data when it comes to births, right? | ||
| Some people point to the census and other things, but the CDC is really where it's at. | ||
| And the CDC gives out demographics. | ||
| They put out amazing stuff, right? | ||
| The weight of the baby, if the mother smoked, teen pregnancy, basically anything you want to know about births in America, you can look through the CDC Wonder website. | ||
| So a lot of people have asked me about biracial births and what that means and which groups have babies by which people. | ||
| And I started combing through it and it's very detail-oriented, but it wasn't that interesting. | ||
| So I just said, you know, let me look at births of people of the same race just to see what information was for there. | ||
| And that actually was extremely fascinating. | ||
| So in 2025, groups of groups that have children with someone of the same exact race, whites and whites, Hispanics and Hispanics, Blacks and Blacks, Asians and Asians, every group reported a declining birth rate except for whites who procreate with other whites. | ||
| The number one from 2023 was the low point, right? | ||
| There was 1.417 million births of white couples in the country in 2020, 2023. | ||
| In 2024, it went up slightly by about 1,000, which is not significant overall 1,000. | ||
| But what marked it as unusual was the fact in 2025, there was another increase by 12,000. | ||
| So two years in a row of increasing birth rates is, I'm sorry for the noise in the background, two years of increasing birth rates in a row is very substantial and very significant. | ||
| And that is, it's not normal. | ||
| It's not usual. | ||
| It's also very fascinating by the fact that the Asian birth rate is basically stagnant for six years in a row, given the fact that there have been 1.5 million more Asians through immigration legally. | ||
| The black birth rate is absolutely plummeting. | ||
| It's down by more than 10% over course of five years time. | ||
| Black birth rate is plummeting in this country to such a large degree that actually Haitian immigrants make up 6% of all births of black Americans in this country now. | ||
| Anyway, that was fascinating. | ||
| And I don't know the answer to why the white birth rate saw this huge bump, not in percentages, but in actual physical numbers. | ||
| And I just put some theories out on my sub stack, the National Populist Newsletter, and on my podcast, Numbers Game podcast, to sit there and say, why did this happen? | ||
| Could it be that ultra-Orthodox religious communities like Hasidic Jews, like Evangelical Christians, Amish, Latin Mass Catholics, maybe they're having larger children, but it happened across the country in such a way that it wouldn't be condensed to those communities. | ||
| It could be that conservatives are having more children. | ||
| It could be that science with IVF and surrogacy is lending to more children being born later on for people. | ||
| Or it could be because whites have some of the highest financial means and maybe they're less affected by the market, which has caused a decline in birth rate. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| There's a lot of things out there. | ||
| And I'm going to look throughout 2026 to see if this is an ongoing trend, but it happened in more than half of the country. | ||
| I think it's Elon Musk's tweets. | ||
| They're getting to everybody. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| It could be that a percentage of white Americans sat there and said that this is an issue and we need to have children. | ||
| It could be that too. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But for the fact that it happened on such a broad group of people for two years in a row lends me to question if this happens for a third year in a row, what has changed this substantial decline? | ||
| Yeah, I wonder if the Roe v. Wade overturn overturning has had some effect on it. | ||
| Like maybe it's, is it slightly harder to get abortions in certain states? | ||
| That would be interesting to look into. | ||
| That's a really good question. | ||
| And I posed that and I looked at that. | ||
| And actually, births in the deep south declined substantially for black Americans who received most abortions, right? | ||
| So in Louisiana, at Mississippi, Alabama, I mean, birth among black Americans in those states is down almost 20% over a couple of years. | ||
| So it's a substantial decline on one side and then an increase on the other side. | ||
| So it must be a cultural thing, can't specifically be a regional thing. | ||
| It also increased like in Maine. | ||
| It increased in places where abortion access is very easy to get to. | ||
| It increased in California. | ||
| So it's peculiar and it's strange, but it's worth looking if this is an ongoing trend, especially as in social media and on these online platforms. | ||
| Conversations around this are more and more frequent, where you hear people sit there and say this in a way that maybe 10 years ago you would have never heard somebody say this outside of a book, like by Pat Buchanan or something. | ||
| Yeah, now you. | ||
| You said that uh, births have gone down for basically every other ethnicity in the country in the last year yes, last year. | ||
| Um, do you think that the the, the religiosity of people increasing? | ||
| Because I think so. | ||
| Yeah religiosity, I think it is right. | ||
| Religiosity uh I, I think that's a word, i'm probably not sure. | ||
| Um, it could, it could possibly religious people have more children than other people. | ||
| Also, wealthier people have more children than other people. | ||
| The average, I think it's only like four percent of billionaires in this country, according to Forbes Magazine, have more than seven children. | ||
| Wow wow yeah, more than seven. | ||
| Uh, the average fertility rate for a billionaire is three children per woman, which is exceptionally high. | ||
| It's much higher than the norm. | ||
| Um, so it could be. | ||
| As we're more prosperous, it's becoming easier and more affordable to have kids uh, for certain groups of people not for everybody, of course, but for certain groups of people. | ||
| Um, and when you look at so, it could be religion. | ||
| Religion plays a big part in having children. | ||
| Right, if you're called to have children and you feel like you should, no matter what um, that would explain part of it, but I don't think it would explain the entire thing. | ||
| Accessibility to IVF, accessibility towards other things like that also explains why women now in their 40s feel like they can have children. | ||
| Maybe there's a bit a big, a big millennial like, this is our last chance. | ||
| You know, some of millennials like let's make sure we get this out before it's too late like, stop on the train. | ||
| That does kind of make sense. | ||
| You know, if there are a lot of people that are millennials that were like, you know, I want to get a career, I want to start, you know live, make sure that I i'm, make sure that I have the resources necessary. | ||
| Or women that are like, oh, you know i'm, i'm a girl boss or what have you. | ||
| However, you want to phrase it like people that say okay, i'm going to have my career first, and then they say oh, wait a minute. | ||
| It is a situation where there is a time limit on this and and i'm not going to live forever and and I don't have, you know, all the time in the world I have to if I want to have kids. | ||
| I better have kids now because i'm you know, I mean because over over 35 is they is considered a geriatric. | ||
| You still can. | ||
| There's a lot of bad information as a, as a geriatric pregnancy myself. | ||
| There's a lot of bad information out there and I think a lot of millennial women are waking up and snapping out of their feminist uh programming a bit and um actually, like a lot of you know, we're taught that like, once you're, once you're over 30, your eggs all tank and you're, you're done. | ||
| For there's no chance and it's actually. | ||
| The studies show that like, your fertility doesn't even really begin to go down in a significant way until you're 40. | ||
| so a lot of women should know that they not to dilly dally but you have not to you know fall prey to scare Tactics, you have more time near fertility declines before 40, but you're there's still a potential. | ||
| And with a lot of women have freeze their eggs in their early 30s, though, that does happen. | ||
| A lot of women look for alternatives that they know and science has extended fertility, not till you're 70, but it's extended it by a couple of years for certain people. | ||
| So that's certainly part of it. | ||
| Women are having more kids in their late 30s and early 40s now than they ever did. | ||
| And also, it's caused a lot more twins to be born than there ever were before. | ||
| So that is also, there's a lot more multiple births than there ever were before. | ||
| And actually, I think it was like three years ago, four years ago, multiple births happen more frequently in black Americans than white Americans until last four years, partially because of IVF. | ||
| So that has certainly changed the dynamic of it once again. | ||
| But this is, it just, it's an interesting thing. | ||
| It's an interesting data point that feeds into our cultural questions. | ||
| And as we look at what the culture is doing and how people are moving, we sit there and say, okay, why are certain demographics choosing to have families? | ||
| And why are certain demographics simply just not? | ||
| Why are black Americans, specifically black women, why have black women just stopped having kids in the last five, six years, right? | ||
| What'd you say? | ||
| I think it's propaganda and planned parenthood. | ||
| Well, it's also college. | ||
| More women go to black women go to college now than ever before. | ||
| College delays birth rates for a lot of people. | ||
| Teen pregnancy is basically over. | ||
| If you remember the 90s, like I do, I mean, teen pregnancy was a, was a fixture in every Jerry Springer show, basically. | ||
| Teen pregnancy doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| I mean, it really doesn't. | ||
| It's now. | ||
| Some are not having sex. | ||
| You think that's because kids aren't having sex or do you think it's because of that? | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
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| Because of gooning instead of having sex. | ||
| I'm not exactly saying. | ||
| But they're not gooning for having sex alone. | ||
| They're not having sex. | ||
| Teen pregnancy doesn't exist. | ||
| So, and why is one demographic who, especially if you're a young conservative, it isn't, you have not, there's unless you are not on the, there is no way you have not been seen, seeing and hearing about this demographic decline. | ||
| And I'm sure for a lot of people, it said, if you want to be part of the change, you have to do it. | ||
| There's Elon Musk is not handing out baby bucks or everybody's saying, you know, go have a kid. | ||
| I'll give you a million dollars. | ||
| Well, you could be one of his baby moms if you play your cards right. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I guess so, because what does he have, like 15 kids now? | ||
| Something exactly like that. | ||
| So, so, but yeah, but the point is, is that there is something happening in the culture. | ||
| And this next year, as the more CDC data comes out, it comes out every month. | ||
| I think either the last day of the month or the first day of the month, we'll start seeing more information show up from the previous months. | ||
| And we'll be able to sit there and say, okay, wow, it's continuing or wow, it's not continuing. | ||
| And as a percentage-wise, according to the CDC, births by white mother hit over 50% for the first time in two years as well. | ||
| So some, but that's also because of declining fertility among every other group. | ||
| So it's a fascinating point. | ||
| There's something going on in the culture. | ||
| And if you examine data like I do, you usually privy to cultural changes much before the mainstream media has picked up on it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Now, when you talk about cultural changes, do you, this might be a little bit off the wall, but do you think that the prevalence of sexual education in public schools has any kind of effect on it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Young people are so strange. | ||
| Like, as I'm in my late 30s now, I don't understand. | ||
| I understand 55-year-olds way better than I understand 21-year-olds. | ||
| They're just very strange. | ||
| But I don't know if that's having the conversation as much as they just don't talk to each other. | ||
| And I guess the ones who do, who kind of break from that norm, who make an effort to break from that norm are the ones sitting there and really working to have kids. | ||
| And I think. | ||
| Because the kids don't go out and drink. | ||
| They don't party like they used to, which I don't know. | ||
| No house parties. | ||
| Yeah, there's none of that stuff. | ||
| So, I mean, that would lead into, you know, the fact that there's no, or, you know, teen pregnancy is, is exceedingly rare nowadays compared to the 90s because, you know, back in the 90s, people would, there would be house parties, people go, go out, make bad children. | ||
| I'll have parents out working, you know. | ||
| Yeah, you know, yeah. | ||
| And remember, like, there's like that, that was like the pregnancy pack that those girls were making in schools and stuff like that. | ||
| And also, I mean, girls are more likely to deal with social contagion than boys are. | ||
| And so pregnancy is one of them. | ||
| So they were like the teen pregnancy was feeding into more team pregnancy. | ||
| There was a sense of pride about being a teen pregnancy in certain groups. | ||
| And now with the, now with plan B and with all the pills you could take and all the ways that you could avoid pregnancy, it's more easy to avoid pregnancy. | ||
| It's cheaper and easier to avoid pregnancy than to have one. | ||
| So, um, and I guess if all the other boys are gaming, it's very difficult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, you know, I don't know. | ||
| Um, but that is that is certainly part of what we're seeing right now. | ||
| And so to find the demographics and the groups who are going out of their way to, to avoid that, to change that. | ||
| I just saw today on social media. | ||
| There was a post that was going viral. | ||
| It was about the quarterback. | ||
| I think for the Patriots, it's like a 22-year-old who just got married. | ||
| And I'm talking about being married young. | ||
| Now, obviously, it's not, not every 22 is going to get married. | ||
| And, but if you have somebody you can look up to to do something like that, that is a bigger stimulus. | ||
| You are more likely to want to have kids if you follow people on social media that have children and talk about it than if you follow them on social media, which does not travel. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Your priorities are different. | ||
| Social media affects the way culture happens a lot more than the government does in certain respects, right? | ||
| So government checks to produce children are going to do a lot less than like the duggers or whatever being a social media influencer saying, you know, it's great to have kids. | ||
| It's not that terrible. | ||
| And the funny parenting blogs where being a parent is not torment and they're, you know, it's cute and funny. | ||
| And there's a lack of sleep. | ||
| Exactly to your point, Ryan. | ||
| There are, there were a lot of women who were very upset when Taylor Swift got proposed to. | ||
| And they're like, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| Because she's like, you know, a girl boss. | ||
| And how many albums, how many songs are about like picking the wrong guy, being heartbroken? | ||
| So we'll see if she has a baby. | ||
| If there's a Taylor Swift baby, I'm pulling for them. | ||
| There were a lot of people. | ||
| There were a lot of people last year at the Super Bowl that were saying, oh, this is all just a publicity stunt, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| And, you know, it was, it was instead of taking it as a win for traditional, you know, kind of lifestyles, you know, Taylor Swift went from being the consistently girl that was complaining to having like the jock, you know, all-star boyfriend. | ||
| And now they're getting married. | ||
| If she has a kid, this is, this is a very big win for traditional values kind of stuff, right? | ||
| If Taylor Swift gets pregnant, can you imagine the spike in births? | ||
| Whatever you're doing. | ||
| Men and babies the very next year. | ||
| And of course, some obnoxious name that everyone will have to name their kid after as well. | ||
| It's going to be like blue or something. | ||
| And everyone, there's been 12,000 kids named Blue after that. | ||
| If they're Gen Z, it might be something a little more weird, you know? | ||
| Well, yeah, that's the people who name their kids and they think their children's never going to age. | ||
| So it's always like some name that only it's only adorable on someone under the age of five. | ||
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| And this guy is going to be. | ||
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All right. | |
| Well, Ryan, thank you very much. | ||
| Where can people find you? | ||
| You can find me on my podcast, a Numbers Game Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, and on my platform on my Substack, a National Populist Newsletter, and on Twitter for at Ryan Grudowski. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Have a good one. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So smart. | ||
| It's good to know a stats guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's very, very smart. | ||
| So we're going to jump to this next story. | ||
| I got to find it. | ||
| In Europe, they're going after, I'm sorry, in Spain specifically. | ||
| They are going after social media. | ||
| Now, there's people that say that this is about children and it's about protecting kids. | ||
| But really, what it actually is, is a way to control your thoughts, right? | ||
| So from CNN, we will protect them from the digital wild west. | ||
| Another country will ban social media for under 16s. | ||
| Spain will ban social media for under 16s and require platforms to employ strict age verification tools, joining Australia, France, and Denmark in moves to curb the influence of digital platforms on children. | ||
| Our children are exposed to a space they were never meant to navigate alone, a space of addiction, abuse, pornography, manipulation, and violence, Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said on Tuesday. | ||
| We will no longer accept that. | ||
| We will protect them from the digital wild west. | ||
| Speaking at the World Governor's Summit in Dubai, Sanchez said his government would also introduce new laws to hold social media executives criminally liable for failing to remove illegal or hateful content. | ||
| Now, people will say, okay, that sounds good, right? | ||
| Like, you want to protect kids. | ||
| There's all kinds of terrible things. | ||
| We've heard stories of like the Roblox scandal where kids are getting essentially groomed by people on Roblox. | ||
| Well, some of them are getting deported, but. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a little fun stuff. | ||
| But also, there's organizations that use social media to attack kids and try to get the kids to hurt themselves. | ||
| I forget what it is, 764, is it? | ||
| Yeah, that's the trans cult thing. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of cults that really are just trying to get kids to hurt themselves just for social media likes and stuff like that. | ||
| So there is danger in having children unsupervised on the internet. | ||
| But this particular issue is actually a little deeper than that. | ||
| So from The Guardian, Elon Musk calls Spanish PM a tyrant over plan to ban under 16s from social media and curb hateful content. | ||
| Pedro Sanchez says urgent action needed to protect children from digital wild west, drawing anger from owner of X. Spain has proposed a ban on social media use by teenagers as attitudes harden in Europe against the technology, drawing personal insults against the prime minister from Elon Musk. | ||
| The government is preparing a series of measures, including a social media ban for under-16s, the Prime Minister Pedro Sancho said, promising to protect children from the digital wild west and hold tech companies responsible for hateful and harmful content. | ||
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| Sanchez said on Tuesday that urgent action was needed because social media was a failed state where laws are ignored and crimes are tolerated. | ||
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Hey, dude. | |
| Yeah, you can tell this is not about protecting kids from the dangerous trans ideology when you look into more of his talking points. | ||
| Now, he is the leader of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, okay? | ||
| And he is currently in his third term. | ||
| This is communist shit right here. | ||
| And he'll say his talking points all include disinformation, hate speech. | ||
| It's all, it sounds like, you know, old Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, you can hear Serge laughing because everyone knows that the National Socialist German Workers' Party was a problem. | ||
| A problem in Europe in the 30s. | ||
| For some people. | ||
| It was a problem for everybody. | ||
| There were a lot of Germans died in that, too. | ||
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That's true. | |
| A lot of Germans died. | ||
| That was terrible about those Germans that died. | ||
| A lot of people died. | ||
| I'm just saying that it wasn't just the countries that they invaded and the particular groups they were displeased with that they were trying to kill off. | ||
| All of Europe suffered because of the National Socialist Germans Workers' Party. | ||
| So this is something that he's going after Elon Musk. | ||
| Now, he's got some comments here. | ||
| Yeah, he wants to think that I brought them up. | ||
| Platform executives personally liable for personally criminally liable for hateful content. | ||
| We've got comments from the Prime Minister here. | ||
| Starting next week, my government will implement the following actions. | ||
| First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. | ||
| Now that right there is a shot across the ball at Elon Musk. | ||
| He doesn't say his name, but he's saying we're going after the executives. | ||
| That is specifically because of X and Elon Musk. | ||
| This means that CEOs of these techno-platforms will face criminal liability for failing to remove illegal or hateful content. | ||
| And for that, we governments need to stop turning a blind eye to the toxic content shared under their watch. | ||
| So, I mean, as you see, or as you listen to his comments, this isn't about, you know, or this is not actually about protecting kids. | ||
| It's actually political. | ||
| Because he doesn't mention harmful ideologies. | ||
| He doesn't mention child sterilization. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We spent the first 15 minutes talking about how dangerous the trans ideology is. | ||
| But he's going after executives because this party doesn't like the things that are said on X about. | ||
| Oh, like socialism never works, that sort of thing. | ||
| They don't like the truth? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, that sucks. | ||
| And he's freaking out. | ||
| You can see how he is sweating it right now. | ||
| They can't control certainly not new Twitter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he goes on. | ||
| Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. | ||
| We want to manipulate the algorithm now. | ||
| Stop giving it to Elon. | ||
| It's worth noting that X makes their algorithm public. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I believe they're the only social media company that does that. | ||
| But I don't know personally, I don't know how to do it. | ||
| But if you want, like if a government wants, they can look at the algorithm. | ||
| They can see how things are weighted. | ||
| They can see exactly how information is spread so that they can basically cover their ass. | ||
| Essentially, that's what X is doing. | ||
| So that way they can say, look, it's not like we're hiding anything. | ||
| We're not boosting hateful content. | ||
| This is what people want. | ||
| Oh, he said illegal. | ||
| Pardon me? | ||
| He said illegal content. | ||
| Did he say illegal? | ||
| Illegal. | ||
| Oh, yeah, illegal. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, I assume that's a lot of people. | ||
| They want to make hate speech illegal. | ||
| Hateful things are illegal, and hateful things are anything that the government doesn't like. | ||
| Slippery songs. | ||
| Yeah, but the point is, X makes this information public so that way they can say, look, this is just what people are clicking on. | ||
| This is what it's getting spread around because people are sharing it. | ||
| Now, you can make the argument that, well, the thing that gets people to share is stuff that makes them angry or stuff that upsets them. | ||
| And if you look at the data, it seems that women share things that make them angry more than men do. | ||
| So you can blame it on the ladies if you want. | ||
| But it is worth noting that. | ||
| So he goes on. | ||
| This information doesn't appear by itself. | ||
| It is created, promoted, and spread by certain friggins. | ||
| We will go through them as well as after the platforms whose algorithms amplify this information for profit. | ||
| No more hiding behind code. | ||
| No more pretending that technology is neutral. | ||
| Third, we will implement a hate and polarization footprint, a system to track, quantify, and expose how digital platforms fuel division and amplified hate. | ||
| For too long, hate has been. | ||
| I mean, the idea that platforms are saying, you know what, we want to find the most hateful things and amplify them to make people hate each other because we are comic book villains is probably one of the more ridiculous assertions I've heard from a statement. | ||
| Australia, I mean, and like, what? | ||
| Are they not already knocking on doors of people? | ||
| Like, did you post this? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, the UK jails. | ||
| You said there are too many Muzzies here. | ||
| The UK jails around 12,000 people per year for wrong think on the internet, for Facebook posts. | ||
| I mean, to think that the country that signed the Magna Carta, basically the first step in giving people rights as people, to think that now they're the same country that's throwing people in jail because they said the no-no word on the internet. | ||
| And I think that that's probably the roadmap that Spain wants to follow. | ||
| Bro, it's the country of Orwell. | ||
| It is the country of Spain. | ||
| It's literally 1984. | ||
| It's literally Airstrip 1. | ||
| That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. | ||
| It's like, bro, this guy's spitting. | ||
| This Oral guy's spitting. | ||
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Yeah, dude. | |
| I think he's probably rolling in his fucking grave right now, honestly. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It is horrible. | ||
| So he goes on. | ||
| Treat it as invisible and untraceable. | ||
| But we will change that, developing a tool that will provide the basis for undertaking future penalties. | ||
| Because spreading hate must come at a cost. | ||
| A legal cost, of course, a financial cost, and a moral cost that platforms can no longer afford to ignore. | ||
| Fourth, Spain will ban access to social media for minors under the age of 16. | ||
| See, that's point four. | ||
| Like, the headline is, oh, they're going to ban it for people under 16 because they want to package this. | ||
| Control the next generation. | ||
| Well, first they're, they wanted to, I'm just speaking about the new stuff. | ||
| Like, they're packaging it as protecting kids, but it's not about protecting kids. | ||
| And he kind of lays it out there. | ||
| It's about controlling what people are hearing, what people are seeing. | ||
| The idea that you need the internet and intimidating people into not saying certain things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it is, I mean, it's kind of ridiculous that they went with that kind of headline. | ||
| But there's another tweet that we've got from actually from Elon Musk himself. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| That's not it. | ||
| I think he tweeted that money doesn't buy happiness. | ||
| And everyone's like, Elon, no, stay in there, buddy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I had it up, but I think it's disappeared now. | ||
| Anyways, but Elon Musk himself has called Pedro a tyrant. | ||
| He was tweeting at him and saying. | ||
| He's a Spanish newsome. | ||
| You're on the right one, actually. | ||
| It's right here. | ||
| Well, there's a tweet I mean. | ||
| Oh, it's right. | ||
| Because Musk had said that. | ||
| I'll try to find it. | ||
| Either way, the point being, this isn't about defending kids as much as they're trying to portray it as defending kids. | ||
| It's just about having control over what you're able to access on the internet. | ||
| And obviously, Elon Musk is an American, so he's got, you know, he's not going to be extradited to Spain for something put on X, at least not with this administration. | ||
| But, I mean, you could make an argument that a future administration might say, well, you know, you have to comply with international law. | ||
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| I mean, I know the argument that Musk can make is, well, you know, I own Starlink, and so I'll put whatever I want on the internet and on X, and you can, you know, shake your fist at the sky, I think was the quote that he made. | ||
| But this is, is it is something that kind of indicates that the idea that woke is gone, it's not gone, that there is a, there was some. | ||
| It's hibernating. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there was no, there is no victory. | ||
| And as this becomes, you know, the internet and social media become even more part of everyone's daily lives, which, I mean, people might say, oh, how could that be? | ||
| But the truth is, you know, you get some boomers on the internet, but they're not all. | ||
| And even Gen X, I have a lot of friends that are, you know, they don't spend all their time, you know, on the internet or on X or whatever, or social media, what have you, but millennials spend more time than older people, and Gen X spends even more time than millennials on social media. | ||
| This is the whole way they communicate, right? | ||
| Like Ryan was just saying, you know, young people don't go out, they don't get together, they don't meet face-to-face very frequently. | ||
| And you're seeing it in the way that people interact, you know, from day to day. | ||
| And so the attempts to limit what you're allowed to say, limit what you're allowed to share, it's a terrible, terrible development for the idea of free speech, sharing ideas. | ||
| And we've seen what can happen when you limit what people are allowed to say. | ||
| The COVID response and how governments behave during COVID is the perfect example. | ||
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| I think we have, is this Elon's tweet? | ||
| No, it's another tweet. | ||
| This is an interesting one. | ||
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It is. | |
| It's talking about. | ||
| It's Ada Luke talking about IRL before. | ||
| Yeah, she's been on IRL. | ||
| She's talking about the government of Spain being an entire mafia here. | ||
| And she's talking about how the number two is in prison for corruption, the number three is in prison too. | ||
| His wife has been prosecuted for corruption. | ||
| So is his brother. | ||
| And it says that he's one of the most corrupt leaders worldwide. | ||
| So it's part of the story. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, that's a great way to end the show. | ||
| So, Chrissy, where can people find you? | ||
| Oh, yeah, on Twitter, of course, at Chrissy Mayer, Instagram, Chrissy Mayer Pod. | ||
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