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Jan. 19, 2026 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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Leftists RAID Church Service, Don Lemon WILL Be Charged

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Protesters at the Front Lines 00:15:12
Is it an iPhone?
What is going on, Patriots?
This is Tate Brown here, holding it down on this wonderful Monday.
We are here in freezing cold Florida.
I don't know what's going on.
I was completely deceived when I came to Florida.
I was under the impression that it's all palm trees and sun and hurricanes, and it's all been a farce.
I've gotten gotten done in here, folks.
It is absolutely Baltic.
I've got the wool shirt on.
It's still not enough.
I don't know what is going on.
Maybe Al Gore was on to something.
Maybe we dismissed him a little too early.
Maybe we should recount the 2,000 election votes.
I don't know.
Maybe we should see.
We take a look at that.
But I am here holding it down.
I'm here with Producer Surge.
Producer Surge is here in the house holding it down.
And we got a great show for you today.
We have some fantastic, fantastic news stories.
Very scary news stories, but they're big.
They're of immense magnitude.
There's no question about that.
Obviously, the story that, as you can expect, I'll be particularly fired up about was yesterday in Minneapolis at City's Church.
It's a Southern Baptist church in Minneapolis.
An anti-ICE mob, a leftist mob, sort of helmed by Don Lemon, stormed into this church, disrupted the worship service, and was alleging that the church's lead pastor, one of their lead pastors, was an ICE agent, hence the justification for the raid.
We just, we, I put out a tweet before, I put out a tweet before the show saying that after you watched this footage, I mean, a lot of people are here already, but if you watch this footage, it's just really hard to walk away without the conclusion that we just can't share a country with these people anymore.
There's really no common ground.
There's no nothing.
It's not a pleasant truth.
I don't like saying that.
I think there are people on the right that like saying that, that maybe are a bit of nihilist or something.
I don't want that.
I don't want division in this country.
I don't like it.
I hate it.
But I don't know how we can continue on like this.
So I have quite a bit of footage and commentary and some different developments regarding the situation.
We had breaking news pretty much right before the show.
This was broken on Benny Johnson's on his show that the DOJ is intending to charge Don Lemon under the Ku Klux Klan Act.
So again, everyone is citing the FACE Act as potentially what we are going to implement here, but no, they're taking a different strategy.
It just, it has to end an arrest and a perp walk and chains and everything because this is just appalling for all the reasons that you can imagine.
We also, it's MLK Day.
So it's also called Monday.
It's Monday.
And we also have an update on the Greenland situation.
The EU just cucked as soon as Trump threw some tariffs on.
I'm not counter signaling the Trump administration here, but I don't know.
I don't know if this is a good long-term play.
You'll just have to hear my analysis.
You just have to trust me.
I am probably one of the biggest Trump shows working in the business right now, but I don't know about the strategy.
I'm a little skeptical.
I do want Greenland as much as the next guy, but we'll break it down.
We'll get into it if we have time.
We will be joined at the half hour mark by the great Oron McIntyre.
He is fired up on this church raid, as you can imagine, as we all are.
So with that, let's just get right into it.
We're just going to get right into it.
This was the initial video that was posted by the Center for Baptist Leadership.
They're an organization operating within the SBC, seeking to sort of get them steered in the right direction because the SBC has a suicidal tendency sometimes.
This is just shocking footage here.
This is the footage that broke, and this is I think the first clip everyone saw coming from Don Lemon's stream.
Take a look at this.
So you can see the protesters here have gathered over here.
They're in the middle of the church.
In the beginning of the service, the pastor was speaking.
And Nakima stood up and said her peace, and then the protesters surrounded her.
But this is a clandestine mission.
I think they found out one of, according to them, this is according to Operation Pull-up, that one of the pastors here is a member of ICE.
So Don Lemon pretty much breaks down the situation from their perspective.
As you can hear, this is part of Operation Pull Up.
Interesting name.
Some people learn a new word and they just go crazy with it.
I think that's kind of what was me last month with the word matriculation.
Don Lemon learned, and these people learned the word clandestine, and they have just been driving it into the ground.
It's not a clandestine operation when you're posting all of your planned moves on Facebook, but that's neither here nor there.
Unbelievable.
So they just stormed to the church.
They flood this church again, accusing this pastor of being an ICE agent, which even if that were true, which we don't know, but even if that were true, so what?
This is a justified operation that ICE is conducting.
And so I would actually be kind of hyped.
I'd be kind of fired up over that.
Here's the very infamous Don Lemon.
He just started walking around the church and like grilling these people, these people that were literally just here to worship.
It was Sunday.
This is a very sacred place.
Here's him going around just chastising all these people.
And here's him speaking to one of the pastors of this church.
Take a look at this clip.
And really notice the pastor's reaction, the rhetoric is using.
It really illustrates how wonderful Southern Baptists are.
Take a look at this.
What do you think of this?
I mean, this is unacceptable.
It's shameful.
It's shameful to interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship.
But there were folks who will say, I have to take care of my flock.
Listen, we live in a, there's a constitution in the First Amendment to freedom of speech and freedom to assemble and protest.
We're here to worship.
We're here to worship Jesus because that's the hope of these cities.
That's the hope of the world is Jesus Christ.
I'm going to be very respectful.
Please don't push me, though.
We're here.
We're here to worship Jesus.
That's why we're here.
That's why we're here.
That's what we're about.
Don't you think Jesus would be understanding and love these folks?
We're about spreading the love of Jesus and try to talk to them.
No one is willing to talk.
Okay.
I have to take care of my church and my family.
So I asked if you actually would also leave this world.
You don't want us to go to worship.
You're here to worship.
I'm always worship.
I'm a Christian.
Well, we're here to worship.
I don't think you have to scratch too deep through Don Lemon's life to discover that there's not much fruit that you would expect to see from a Christian.
That's neither here nor there.
I'm not here to judge people's faith.
Just questioning why you would sort of assault and antagonize fellow Christians if you truly are one.
That's a question that needs to be answered from Don.
Look, just body language alone, this pastor is completely mogging Don here.
He's smiling.
He is, again, Christians are probably the worst people to pick on for this kind of stuff because Christians infamously, as a Christian, we sort of view ourselves as tourists on this planet to some degree.
In the sense of, look, we believe we have 80 years here if you're lucky.
But ultimately, our treasure, our sort of earnings, our inheritance, what we're due is in heaven.
So we're not particularly worried or fearful of death.
Certainly not fearful of some protesters spurging out in a church and disrupting a church service.
It's annoying.
We don't like it, but very tough nuts to crack.
So you just kind of question why they think this was going to completely deter Christians.
I don't know if you're new around here, Don.
Christians are infamous for enduring persecution for their faith, especially if you look throughout the early church.
I mean, they're martyred pretty routinely, even today.
On this planet, as we speak, there are Christians being martyred around the world.
Not really people that are going to bow down to, you know, a couple dozen protesters, especially the Southern Baptists.
The Southern Baptists are tough cookies.
There's no question about that.
But you have to ask yourself, and we're going to continue to thumb through some of these clips here.
You got to ask yourself, why a church?
Because, you know, if you're protesting a government, something the government is doing, sure.
Okay, let's just, let's just, for the sake of argument, pretend that they have a case.
They don't, but let's pretend.
Why antagonize churchgoers on a Sunday?
Even if you suspect the pastor, like, what is that going to do for your, you know, your cause or these sorts of things?
And you have to ask yourself, why is it that the left is always antagonizing Christians?
They're always antagonizing, you know, you see these sorts of disruptions at churches.
They like churches on fire, these sorts of things.
You never see that at like mosques.
When's the last time you've seen like a bunch of leftists storming into a mosque?
When's the last time you saw a bunch of leftists storming into a synagogue?
You don't really see it maybe over the Palestine stuff, but you certainly don't see it over domestic issues.
When's the last time, or whatever Hindus worship at?
You know, their little Temple of Doom like Indiana Jones raided.
Like, when's the last time you saw some sort of raid or agitation there, again, over domestic issues?
It may be over like some weird foreign conflict, but certainly not over domestic issues.
It's always churches that get picked on.
It's always Christians that they antagonize.
And it's because they correctly have identified that the Christian faith is what built the United States.
All of the founders, you know, were Christian or deist, but they're certainly of this sort of Christian culture tradition, these sorts of things.
They certainly would not be too thrilled seeing the current conditions of the country.
So they correctly have identified that Christians really do make up the core of the country.
There's no question about that.
And so if they can sort of destabilize the church in the United States, if they can sort of, what's the word I'm looking for, sort of disenfranchise Christians, demoralize Christians, and they might actually have some room.
But there's just some more, there's a lot of wild stuff.
I got to thumb through all these things.
This is from the great Libby Emmons, friend of the show.
She got this clip here.
Don Lemon distributed coffee and donuts to anti-ICE protesters who praised him for being, quote, out on the front lines.
He later said he was just doing journalism when he joined agitators to storm a church.
Now, if you saw the clips, he's an active participant in this.
Like he's grilling the pastor.
There's other videos of him grilling the congregants in this church.
He was clearly just part of the apparatus that was disrupting this church service here.
Take a look at this.
Lemon is on the front lines right now.
He's right here on the front line.
Tell him to come get some coffee.
Hey, don't let me get some coffee for y'all.
And donuts.
And donuts.
And he ain't talking about COVID.
So does this really strike you as a truth-seeking, non-partisan journalist just trying to document what's going on?
Or does this strike you as someone abetting and encouraging these protesters as they storm this church?
Well, typically you don't see journalists in the front lines in Syria, you know, passing out donuts and coffee to the rebel groups or anything like that.
This is clearly someone that has a personal stake in the success of this protest of Operation.
What was it?
Operation Get Hours?
What was it?
Pull up.
Operation Pull Up.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Interesting name there.
This is really some grim footage here.
Ryan Gurdesky provided some commentary here.
Horrible kids crying.
Just trying to pray and progressives screaming in their faces.
A stage of madness that dates all the way back to the reign of terror.
True.
If you remember the French Revolution, these revolutionaries would terrorize Christians.
Renee good!
Renee Gandhi, how about that?
Oh my god, this thing go shoot.
Are you serious?
It should be don't accelerate.
That's what they should do.
That's what they should be responding with counters.
Put it in park.
Boom, boom, put it in park.
Boom, boom.
Don't step your foot on the accelerator when there's a cop in front of you.
Boom, boom.
Don't put your foot on the accelerator when there's a cop.
Like it's just common sense kind of things here.
Really, I mean, a lot of these younger congregates, these children are absolutely terrified.
I mean, wouldn't you if you were a child in this?
Because this is the thing.
These protesters, although unstable, certainly, goofballs, that would be a fair categorization.
They are serious people.
It would not be the correct adjective to call them unserious people.
These are clearly serious people, and they've correctly identified who their opposition is.
Because their ideology, what they're trying to accomplish is inherently demonic.
They're trying to rebuild the Tower of Babel through mass migration.
And they've correctly identified that at the opposite end of the ideological spectrum is faithful Christians.
So these are deeply serious people.
And that's why this should terrify you.
And that's why it is at least good to see, again, this is the AG Pam Bondi coming out.
Here was her statement.
I just spoke to the pastor in Minnesota whose church was targeted.
Attacks against law enforcement and the intimidation of Christians are being met with the full force of federal law.
If state leaders refused to act responsibly to protect lawlessness, the DOJ will remain mobilized to prosecute federal crimes and ensure that the rule of law prevails.
This is great.
Okay, it's encouraging.
Rhetoric's good, etc.
Please just do something for once.
For once, please, please.
Like, I've maintained this position with Minneapolis.
This is where you set the tone.
This is for the next three years where the tone is going to be set.
The reaction from the left hinges on how the Trump administration responds in Minneapolis.
And this is a massive escalation, storming a church on a Sunday.
As far as I'm concerned, that is a massive, massive escalation.
And I hate to say there's good people I know working in the DOJ.
There's great people, terrific people even.
But Pam Bondi has to make a, she has to send a message here.
There is no question about it.
She has to set the tone here.
Again, this will make or break the DOJ's performance over the next three years.
If they fumble here, if we don't get an arrest, Don Lemon, the organizers of this event, if we do not get arrests here, then this is a failure, an abject failure.
It will be a blight on the Trump administration.
There's no question about it.
Again, I've said at the top of the show, I'm one of the biggest Trump shows working in the business today.
There's no question about that.
It's true.
But when I see, I grew up, I'm a Southern Baptist.
I grew up.
I was baptized in the Southern Baptist Church.
I know the hymn book like the back of my hand.
I grew up, Bill Gaithers in the car everywhere I go.
This one's a little personal for me.
This one's a little personal for me.
This one's hitting a little too close to home.
When I see those parishioners, those congregates, when I see the pastor up there, when I hear the way they speak, the loving, gracious response that these people gave, these wonderful Christians, these brothers and sisters in Christ, when I see that, when I see that rhetoric, it takes me back.
It takes me back.
It takes me back to the church I grew up in.
Wonderful, beautiful Southern Baptist church.
So this one feels a little personal.
This one feels like an attack on me.
Rights vs. Services 00:15:37
A lot of these attacks, these sorts of things, these raids, you know, I don't have any ICE agents in my family.
Like, I fully support what they're doing, but it still feels a degree removed.
It feels like, okay, well, that's between the federal government and these leftists.
But this one just this one just hits a little too close to home.
We have we have to pounce here.
There's no question about it.
Carolyn Levitt put this statement out.
President Trump will not tolerate the intimidation and harassment of Christians in their sacred places of worship.
The DOJ has launched a full investigation into the despicable incident that took place earlier today at a church in Minnesota.
But this is the thing.
This is Solianoth, great poster.
I would encourage you to go give him a follow.
He says, we need indictments.
Don Lemon needs to go to prison for this clear violation of the FACE Act.
Unbelievable.
If you're wondering what the FACE Act is here, again, this was passed in 1994.
I can just skim through it here.
The federal criminal code, this was amended.
Now, in 1994, it prohibits intentionally injuring, intimidating, or interfering with, or attempts to injure, intimidate, or interfere any person by force, threat of force, or physical obstruction because that person has, is or has, or in order to intimidate such persons or any other persons or any other class of persons, a lot of language here, from obtaining or providing reproductive health services.
I don't know about that.
Intentionally injuring, intimidating, or interfering with, or attempting to injure, intimidate, or interfere, or any person by force, threat of force, or physical obstruction, exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at any place of religious worship, or intentionally damaging or destroying the property of a facility or attempting to do so because such facility provides reproductive health services.
Again, not crazy about that.
Or, or intentionally damaging or destroying the property of a place of religious worship.
So, the FACE Act, in short, protects Christians and it protects their churches.
They're saying, no, disrupting these church services, damaging the building or breaking into the building, again, trespassing is not protected under the First Amendment.
It's clear, it's in law.
You can debate that.
You can complain about that.
You could even try to take it to court.
But the law as it stands right now, since 1994, is you cannot do this.
You can't disrupt these church services over, again, especially something completely unrelated.
So we got a little white pill here.
This was on the Benny Johnson show this morning.
It's a four-minute clip, so I won't play the whole thing, but he brought Harmeet Dillon on.
And I'll just read what he wrote here to communicate this to you guys in case you missed this.
This was, again, fresh, hot off the press.
Breaking.
The DOJ announces intention to charge Don Lemon under the Ku Klux Klan Act.
The KKK Act makes it illegal to threaten, hurt, or intimidate people to prevent them from exercising their God-given rights.
This is the quote from Harmeet Dylan.
The Klan Act is one of the most important federal civil rights statutes.
It's a law that makes it illegal to terrorize and violate the rights of citizens.
Whenever people conspire, this, the Klan Act be used, everyone in the protest community needs to know that the fullest force of the federal government is going to come down and prevent this from happening and put people away for a long time.
So it's sounding like they're going to charge Don Lemon and his co-conspirators.
Again, it's one of those things.
I'm not going to believe it until I see the paperwork filed, until I see handcuffs, silver bracelets being thrown on Don Lemon.
But again, this is good.
This is good.
All right.
I can wait a few days, but let's go here.
It's not like, oh, we want to prevent this.
This can't happen.
This is the United States of America.
This cannot happen.
Also, I want to say it is ironic if we would charge a black guy on MLK Day with the KKK Act.
That would just be like, that would be divine.
That would be sort of like the stars aligning.
Bringing Don Lemon in on MLK Day and accusing him of being a Klansman.
That would be really something special, wouldn't it, folks?
But Will Chamberlain outlined some alternative potential routes in which the statute that could cause problems for Don Lemon and his buddies here.
18 U.S. Code 241.
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in the state territory, da-da-da-da-da, and the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to them by the Constitution or laws of the United States can be imprisoned.
Again, it's an option.
Take your pick here, DOJ.
True.
18 U.S. Code 247, damage to religious property, obstruction of persons, and the free exercise of religious beliefs.
It's in the title.
I don't have to read through all the language here, but again.
Conspiracy against rights.
This is what Will Chamberlain wrote down here.
Conspiracy against rights is what criminalizes intentional efforts to violate 1A rights.
So again, there's a hierarchy here.
You can't strip away someone's First Amendment rights.
That's not protected under the First Amendment.
That's not how this works.
It's not how this has ever worked.
For these people that I guess are a little new around here.
Again, this goes back to our earlier conversations in which these people are just used to operating with total impunity.
Here's from Laura Powell.
She got this screenshot here from Facebook.
Like I said, they call this a clandestine operation, but they're literally posting on Facebook what their plans were.
The woman taking credit for helping organize a group to disrupt church services in St. Paul is an attorney and former law prosecutor.
This is Nakima Armstrong.
Remember that name.
You're going to be hearing it a lot in the news over the next few weeks as the DOJ makes a move here, as they should.
I'm just manifesting that.
Friends, here's a clip of our demonstration this morning at City's Church, and they tagged the church, which is the craziest part, at City's Church in St. Paul.
The pastor's name here has been blurred.
He's a pastor at the church and the acting field director for the ICE office in St. Paul.
Again, that is just an accusation.
We don't even know if that's true or not.
Even if it is true, so what?
Like, this is like what ICE is doing falls within the purview of Christian morality.
This is not difficult to square.
So they're acting like this is some sort of infraction of some sort.
It's not.
It's time for judgment to begin and it will begin in the house of God.
Oh my gosh, these people are just sick in the head.
Really, there's no question about it.
But as the DOJ makes their moves here, again, as they start saying, look, we're going to come down here.
This is unacceptable.
You violated the law.
It looks like Don Lemon's kind of backing off a little bit.
This is what's interesting.
I think he's feeling the pressure a little bit.
I'm not going to play this full two-minute clip because it's just a lot of gish galloping, so to speak.
But here's the commentary from Colin Rugg, which does accurately sort of describe what he was saying.
Don Lemon blames the organizer of the event who stormed the Minneapolis church after, or Minnesota church, after the DOJ launched an investigation into the incident.
Lemon, who uploaded a video of himself defending the mob from inside the church, says he was simply engaged in, quote, an act of journalism.
Here's a quote from him.
Why don't you talk to the actual person who's in charge of the organization and whose idea it was to have the protests at the church before you start blaming me for stuff?
So he's already throwing Nakima under the bus here, even though he was passing out coffee and donuts and by all accounts was like fired up to be in there.
He couldn't wait to grill the pastor and these congregants on his political nonsense, his leftist nonsense.
So he's already feeling the heat and he's flipping instantly.
He's ready to throw these people under the bus.
The DOJ cannot let that slide.
The DOJ cannot buy his crap arguments here.
He was a co-conspirator, co-conspirator, co-conspirator.
There's zero question about that.
Nathan Halberstad, friend of the show, he was on Cross the Pond on Sunday.
Go check out the episode.
It's on the Culture War channel.
He put some, again, very concise commentary together here.
Again, this was off of the footage that we saw at the top of the show.
The current civilizational conflict can be framed as roughly on one side, atheists, Marxists, globalists, and client migrant groups.
And on the other side, the American core.
The former coalition is making a final push to destroy the latter, especially the core's religion, culture, and people.
It becomes most obvious in moments like this where the radicals, A, protest a Christian service, B, violate a Western norm on sanctuaries, and B, or C, push continued mass migration.
So that's obviously the two axes that these leftists have to grind is with Christianity.
They're clearly, they clearly do not view it as a legitimate serious thing.
They just want to stomp all over it, hence the raid into a church during an active service.
It's very abundantly clear.
But also the push on mass migration.
What are they protesting?
Well, they're protesting ICE.
Okay, well, what's ICE doing?
They're deporting illegal immigrants.
Well, why should these legal immigrants not be here?
Because we have borders.
We have people that we need to protect.
We have Americans that some people are Americans, some people aren't.
And it's important to make that distinction.
And these people want to eliminate that distinction.
And that is why they are so focused on ICE.
So it really is, like Nathan pointed out, it's obvious in this moment.
It kind of concisely wraps together what they're really all about because they want to destroy Heritage America.
They want to destroy Heritage Americans.
That's why they targeted a Southern Baptist Church.
If you look at like who's been in the country for a while, you know, people that would have a claim to the sort of Heritage American title, look no further than the Southern Baptist Convention.
That's like a high concentration of them are in there.
And these are people, most congregates in the Southern Baptist Convention can trace their lineage back quite a long time.
And they're part of a sort of evangelical Protestant denomination that's pretty distinctly American.
It's really difficult to find evangelical Christianity that's institutionalized like this outside of the United States.
This is a very distinctly American sort of manifestation of classical Christianity.
So it's quite obvious what the play is here.
This is why they are, again, antagonizing ICE and they're attacking Christian churches.
Some white pills.
I don't want to just completely demoralize you because, again, we have to wait to see what the DOJ does.
Please.
I mean, like, it really would just be an immense failure if they don't pounce here.
But the DHS says 10,000 legals have been arrested in Minneapolis so far.
Okay, that is a white pill.
Hopefully we'll see how many of those 10,000 were deported.
It's not sufficient just to arrest them.
They get arrested all the time anyway because they commit a lot of crimes.
We need them out of the country and never to return.
This is what we're up against.
The streets here, look at this.
The streets here, there's this chunky guy with a gun.
Oh, God.
Just listen to what he has to say.
This is insane.
Yep, this is my block.
This is my area.
I don't go into other people's neighborhoods and try and intimidate them.
I protect my people.
Are you giving out your name?
No, I'm okay with that.
This is my neighborhood.
These are my people.
He's talking about legal immigrants.
His people are Somalis that scam and can't even spell correctly.
That's his people.
That's his sort of his cohort, so to speak.
That just tells you all you need to know.
He's a traitor, quite frankly.
He's a traitor to the American people.
And he's armed.
This is what you don't like.
These people are serious.
You have to believe these people when they tell you what their plans are.
And this guy's literally patrolling the neighborhood.
Presumably, why does he have a gun?
Well, presumably to respond to ICE when they do conduct an operation.
That's why the streets, the streets are calling this guy Kyle Reddit House.
Did you hear this, Serge?
Kyle Reddit House is the official name for this gentleman because it's pretty apt.
He's a Redditor.
But the problem with these Redditors is they have low impulse control, low testosterone.
So that translates to zero conflict resolution.
These people are just, they're traitors.
They hate themselves.
And by extension, they hate Americans because they hate themselves.
And this guy in this case is an American, unfortunately.
And yeah, you need to watch out for these people.
These people are, again, believe them when they tell you these things.
This is where I got the name from the streets off of Andrew Isker.
He posted this, correct?
Waltz wants a Kyle Reddit house to open up on ICE.
All of his rhetoric is encouraging this.
Again, Tim Waltz put out a statement.
This would have been last week now where he said, ICE is going door to door, snatching up your neighbors of color.
He's again, he's describing these ICE agents as if they were a modern day Gestapo.
That is what he is describing them as.
When you use that kind of rhetoric, there's really no way to sort of quantify that other than you are attempting to put a target on the back of these ICE agents.
And then you get Kyle Reddit House here who gets freaked out by the rhetoric and he starts patrolling around his neighborhood with a gun saying he's, you know, he's standing guard.
He's armed.
He's ready to push back on who he threats against who he perceives to be his people.
Again, because these leftists have a huge outgroup preference, so he would never go to bat for his people, Americans.
He, but, you know, oh no, Somalia is threatened.
All of a sudden, he's armed to the teeth.
So despicable, despicable stuff.
Here's some irony coming in.
I'm going to finish this off with a little irony.
We can have a laugh before we, maybe if we have time, we'll get to the maybe the Greenland stuff real quick.
This is from Fred Wellman.
He's just some like Libtard.
He said, never in the history of ever has the masked men demanding to see your papers been the good guys.
They aren't now either.
Obvious question.
What about COVID?
What about, you know, what about COVID?
And everyone's in the comments here just dropping in dunking on this guy.
Captive Dreamer, the masks are for COVID, by the way.
It's about health and safety.
So these people are just idiots, the lemmings, the, again, the zero.
It doesn't matter what happened.
They just have a goal and they will use whatever rhetoric they will lie to accomplish that goal.
So with that, I could dunk on MLK, but I think I'll just touch on this real quick.
This is from the Greenland row.
Obviously, Trump and Europe have been going back and forth.
Let me see.
This article refreshed.
And so I lost where I was looking for.
Right.
So, okay.
So, oh, here it is.
Okay, perfect.
So Germany obviously deployed, I think it was about 18 soldiers to Greenland to, I guess, defend it from a NATO ally.
And the United States, Trump, in return, responded by placing tariffs on the eight countries that were involved in this mission.
These people that deployed these EU countries that deployed troops to Greenland to defend it, I guess.
And he put tariffs on there saying for every soldier that you have in this country, we're going to put a tariff that ended up amounting to like a couple billion dollars, a soldier.
Immediately, immediately, Germany backs down.
Immediately, all these countries are backing down now.
Again, the 15 soldiers that came at the request of Denmark were leaving the leaving Greenland in response to these tariffs.
I want Greenland.
I love this.
I think it's great.
But one thing I will say, let me see if, oh, yeah, Oron is ready to go.
Perfect.
One thing I will say is we should be, as the Trump administration, a rising tide lifts all boats.
I do think it would be worthwhile if the Trump administration sought to embolden sort of these right-wing parties that are rising throughout Europe.
I think these sort of doing all this out in the open, all this out in the public, I think antagonizes Europeans and sort of spooks them from voting for these right-wing parties because they perceive them to be Trump allies and these sorts of things.
So my only gripe, I actually like the move.
You know, again, you can't let these tiny minnows bully you, especially when you're trying to conduct something that's for the good of the world.
But I don't think it's worthwhile to, again, just like do this all out in the open.
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It just doesn't seem entirely productive.
So, Serge, before we do that, I'm going to get to the ad.
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I ran out of time on the Greenland thing.
I'm not a cuck.
I want to take Greenland.
There's no question about it.
I was just critiquing maybe doing it all out in the public.
I think, again, we should be emboldening our right-wing allies, potential allies in Europe.
So again, maybe I'll talk about it tomorrow.
We'll see.
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We're still waiting on Orange.
I think Oran's here.
We're having some sort of technical issues, so we're going to work through that, but we'll get him in here shortly.
But obviously, we will be discussing the, again, evolving situation in Minneapolis, the need to clamp down hard on these leftists.
Let's see here.
Do you think we're going to get him?
I mean, he was just there.
I'm surprised he just left.
I think maybe the ad, he just got scared away by the ad.
Well, I told him we were coming.
Yeah, I know.
That's kind of weird.
I don't know what happened there.
He was in the room.
We were just talking to him a moment ago, just so chat knows.
Ah, okay.
Update from the team.
His internet went down.
He's logging back in.
They're attacking.
You know what's happening?
It's the Danes.
It's the Danes.
They're coming after us.
These Danish, these Danish people are coming down hard on us.
Mormon Congregation's Stand 00:15:39
But there he is.
Oren, can you hear me?
Hey, how's it going?
Sorry, internet struck there.
No problem.
I think it was, I was commenting previously on the Greenland situation.
So I think maybe the Danish called a head-in.
I think that could be what it was.
The Lego people have struck back.
But Oran, I'm glad you're here.
Everyone, I imagine the Samcast audience is quite familiar with who you are, but maybe before we launch in, you could give a quick intro for people that maybe aren't.
Sure.
I'm the host of the Oren McIntyre show.
I'm on Blaze TV, YouTube, Rumble, all the places you expect.
Podcast is on Apple, Spotify, all those places.
I also write books.
I wrote The Total State, write a regular column for Blaze News.
Amazing.
Well, before we get in, I was playing obviously all the footage, some of the reaction from across the right, and then obviously the DOJ's intention to prosecute everyone that was involved in this raid in St. Paul at this beautiful, beautiful church in St. Paul.
I wanted to get your reaction to the raid and then maybe sort of articulate what you would like as a response to be.
I think we're probably on the same page here, but maybe you can outline that a little more.
Sure.
Obviously, this is an incredibly important line that the left has crossed.
We've seen intimidation before from the left, but this is a direct and obvious violation of several laws, including the FACE Act.
Now, it seems that Harvey Dillon has announced their intention to actually prosecute Don Lemon under a Ku Klux Klan Act, which is fantastic.
It's hilarious to announce that on Martin Luther King Jr. Day of all days.
So top-notch work, very, very fine work.
Of course, the worry was as this was unfolding that the Trump administration would turn away from charging people, especially Don Lemon.
Obviously, the left is going to go ballistic.
They're going to say, oh, it's a journalist.
He's a journalist.
He's got a First Amendment right to whatever.
It's all a lie.
You have no First Amendment right to enter a building and disrupt a religious service.
In fact, there are several laws prohibiting exactly that.
And it's not just that Don Lennon did this.
It's not just that he organized this.
It's that he went ahead and streamed live every aspect of what he was doing.
He was streaming live the commission of a federal crime.
This cannot go unpunished.
It's not just that Don John needs to go to jail.
He needs to go to jail four years.
He needs to do real jail time.
No, no house arrest, no pleading out.
This guy needs to be riding in prison.
This is a unprecedented violation in the left's escalation, and it must pay deeply.
Yeah.
I mean, I've been sort of articulating this point as the situation in Minneapolis has been unfolding.
And the point I'm making, and you'll probably be in agreement, is it's imperative that the Trump administration sends a message now with this situation, because again, this is A, setting the tone for three years, and it could be a massive victory again for the base, these sorts of things.
But B, this is the leftists kind of sizing up the Trump administration right now.
That's what's going on.
They want to see what exactly they're able to get away with because obviously in Trump one and obviously about the Biden administration, they were able to operate with a degree of impunity.
I mean, you'd see some arrests and they would get released a few days later.
Certainly didn't see any high profile arrests, even though we're still waiting on some high-profile arrests in Trump too.
But like you said, this is a different level here because when you're seeing these people interact with ICE agents, you know, brawling with ICE agents or police or any other three-letter agency, as Americans, we're kind of like, okay, well, that's clearly the left sort of combating with the government.
It's a degree removed from us to some aspect.
It's when you see it in a church, especially people on the right, obviously, you know, lots of devout Christians.
I mean, I myself grew up a Southern Baptist.
So when I see that, I'm like, that could have been my congregation.
When I see the way those people speak and the way that they respond to Don Lemon with a very gracious, loving kind of attitude, it just takes me back to church growing up.
Like these are my people.
And so this is why it feels like a next level infraction.
Yeah, this is very similar, I think, to the death of Charlie Kirk.
It has similar in that it goes beyond, as you say, when someone shoots at Donald Trump, it's evil.
It's horrible.
The Trump administration should have done more to go after the left at the time, but there's a certain level of, okay, you become president of the United States, you get into national politics.
There's a certain level of risk assumed, right?
We know that presidents have been assassinated.
It's terrible when it happens, but it doesn't shatter our perception of reality.
When Charlie Kirk gets shot, this could be your brother.
This could be your son.
This could be your husband.
This is a normal guy.
Yes, he's powerful.
He's involved in politics, but he doesn't hold state power.
He's not radical.
This could be you, right?
And the same thing here with the church.
It's another scenario, as you said, where when leftists are brawling with ICE, everyone can Monday morning quarterback, whether this ICE agent thought he was going to get run over.
They're wrong.
This was an attempted murder and the woman absolutely deserved to be shot and her girlfriend should be in jail for encouraging that assault.
However, we do understand that ICE agents are taking on a certain level of risk when they involve themselves in that job.
Once it breaks into places of worship, we're now talking about leftists hunting down and intimidating innocent people.
And to be really clear, if they could have shot those people, they would have.
Like, don't fool yourself for a minute.
These people are Bolsheviks.
They would have lined those people up against the wall if they had the option.
And they will.
Like they will get there.
We have to put the foot down now.
And this means that obviously we need to see right action from the government.
I'm glad to hear them taking strong stances.
But this also means that churches need to prepare.
Okay.
Those people should have been physically removed from the building.
And if they attempted violence, they should have been met with lethal force.
That is where you need to be.
There's nothing un-Christian about defending your church, and you need to be ready.
We've already seen terrorist attacks on churches.
We've already seen that guy drive into the church and shoot at people.
The Mormon church.
Now we see this attack.
It's going to continue.
These people are French revolution.
They are communists.
They are going to accelerate.
Leftists are radical.
They hate religion.
They hate God.
They want to persecute Christians.
That is what they want to do.
And if they do not take, if we do not take both government action and personal action to protect our places of worship, the left will continue.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, Nathan Halberstad, a friend of the show, he actually made a really great point.
This is the most obvious sort of crux of really what the left is all about here with their sort of Reign of Terror 2.0 is this attack represented the two things that they're seeking to undermine specifically, which is the Christian faith.
Again, that's the historic faith of the United States.
Again, the Southern Baptist Church is pretty much as American as you can possibly get.
It is like this unique synthesis of Christianity that, again, like reflects middle America in the most like obvious way possible.
So you really have this attack on Heritage Americans in many regards through the church.
But then also, what is this all about?
Well, they're protesting ICE.
Well, what does ICE do?
Well, okay, they, again, enforce immigration law.
So it really is this obvious crux of the two things the left really wants to undermine the most, which is, again, the historic Christian faith of the American people and then the historic composition of the United States through immigration, these sorts of things.
I mean, again, to your point, I mean, these churches need to kind of understand what time it is.
I mean, I can understand why up until now, so to speak, a lot of these churches are sitting back and saying, okay, well, it's so random that, you know, maybe we don't have to worry about it.
But I'd go back to like even like the Sutherland Spring shooting a few years ago in Texas.
I think at that moment, a lot of these churches really needed to have conversations about security.
Like, hey, I don't know if it's TSA level, but we certainly need to have plan of action here.
These conversations need to be happening.
Yeah, I think we all saw the picture from the video of that young girl crying in the arms of her parents, scared of these people breaking into her church.
And that simply cannot be allowed to stand in the United States of America.
I will not allow, this cannot happen.
Okay.
My church personally not only has a security team, they have off-duty cops and military constantly watching entrances and exits to make sure that everyone is safe.
Church members are directly involved in the armed security of the church, along with a large percentage of the males in the congregation being armed.
You, American Christian, I'm talking to you right now.
It is your duty as a man to get a firearm, train with that firearm and be armed in your house of worship, prepared to repel violent leftists.
Period.
That's it.
We cannot allow this.
It will not stand.
I'm glad the government is taking action.
We should allow them to resolve the issue through color of law first.
But it is also your personal responsibility to be prepared not just to protect yourself, but your house of worship.
The people in your congregation are counting on you.
No more.
Oh, I don't know what I can do.
I don't know how I can be part of a solution.
You can be part of the solution.
Get a firearm, train, and be prepared to protect your church.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, because the government, again, the DOJ, even if the DOJ is a slam dunk here, they knocked us out of the park.
The incidents still happen.
This is still after the fact mobbing up the mess.
Christians across the United States need to be ready because this is going to continue.
Again, when the left, what do they hate most?
We saw it.
It was, I don't know if you saw the clip on the on the, I know it was in Britain, but that's sort of the same vibe going on.
The BBC in Britain, they had, I don't know, some sort of musician on and he credited Christ as like his largest inspiration.
And the interviewer literally hissed at him.
Like these people, again, I don't want to go like full Tucker and like, you know, everything, but oh, I will.
That's demon possession.
There's a huge demon possession.
Yeah, there's a massive demonic force moving over the West broadly, but specifically in the United States.
And so you just see that.
And it's like Christians watching this, you know, Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, whatever you are, Mormon.
I don't know if they're on the team, but you know, Mormons, not the sort of theological dispute.
But if you're watching, like, you need to be ready.
You need to believe these people when they tell you these things.
Again, we saw Kyle Reddit House.
That's what they're calling that chunky man with the firearm that was walking around St. Paul.
He's like, I am here to defend my community.
These are my people.
He's talking about like Somali fraudsters.
He has a strong friend-enemy distinction.
And you, as a Christian, you as an American is not a friend, certainly not in the friend distinction.
You're on the enemy side.
And he's patrolling it again, presumably to repel ICE agents.
So it's like, it just all comes back to from Charlie to this, everything in between.
You have to believe these people when they say these things.
Yeah, absolutely.
And to be clear, like, we all have our doctrinal differences.
I might have more with the Mormons than other denominations, but ultimately they're close enough to the team to get shot.
They're close enough to the team to get threatened.
So they're on the team.
Okay.
And that's all there is to it.
These people hate family.
They hate people who would bow before Christ, even if we disagree with some manner in which they do it.
And ultimately, it is our job to come together and protect these people.
100% solidarity with Christians in the United States today of all stripes.
We are standing together.
This is not going to happen.
This is the line, guys.
If you will not stop them at the churches, you won't stop them at your doorstep.
That's all there is to it.
And I heard my entire life about this is what the Second Amendment is for.
If the government's not going to stand and protect our churches, then we will do it.
And you know what?
During COVID, that argument went out the window and nothing happened.
The government shut down plenty of churches.
Nobody did anything.
That argument's on its last legs.
If the First Amendment means anything, it has to mean something here.
Again, first and foremost, the government needs to take action.
I am glad to hear strong rhetoric on this, but we have to see conversion into real, meaningful penalties, not slaps on the wrist, not house arrest, not a fine, hard jail time.
Every single one of these people, hard jail time.
If that doesn't happen, then you're leaving it in the hands of the parishioners.
And it's, I'm sorry, it is just at that point, defend yourself.
The government is useless.
I'm not saying the government is useless.
I'm saying the Trump administration is doing the right thing.
I am praising them for doing the right thing.
I want to be very clear.
However, follow through must come because the consequences of not following through are massive.
Everybody doesn't like the idea.
The Protestant Franco sounds scary until the first Bolshevik breaks through the door of your church.
And then all of a sudden, it doesn't sound so scary anymore.
So let's get this done under color of law while we still can.
Because the other options are big.
Yeah.
This is literally the last off-ramp.
Decisive action from the Trump administration here is the off-ramp.
Again, I don't want to see a situation in which parishioners are forced to engage in gunfights with these leftists.
That sounds like a dystopia.
I don't want that.
I want the Trump administration to come down hard here.
And I mean, to your point, I mean, like, you know, like Mormons, like it's like, okay, we could have these conversations about Mormonism, but it's like, I'm closer to a Mormon than I am to whatever Don Lemon's Christianity is.
He was literally in the church debating the pastor and he's like, I'm a Christian too.
And I'm like, I look him up.
He's like a Baptist or something.
I'm like, I'm a Baptist.
I'm way closer to a Mormon than I am to you.
I don't know what sort of weird, weird depiction of Christianity you're making, but it's insulting.
It's offensive.
No, Don Lemon, you're nowhere close to what we're talking about here.
But it's starting to get to the point where it seems like the left is actually kind of giving up themselves.
Maybe not giving up, but they're just being forthright with the fact that, no, you know, when people on the right, like I put a tweet out before the show where I'm like, I just don't really know how we can live in the same country with these people anymore.
I'm not saying that as a statement.
I'm saying that as a reaction because I think that is the presupposition that they have already made.
They've already determined that they can't live in a country with us.
And so all I'm doing is just making a reaction.
I'm just acknowledging that that is the reality that they are correctly identifying, in my opinion.
And it's so important that this is recognized by every religious denomination, every Christian denomination.
We saw, you know, Baron, I'm sorry, I forgot his name.
Bishop Barron talking about how the, you know, maybe the Trump administration should dial back the deportations and all these things.
We've seen the Southern Baptist coalition get weak in the knees over this stuff.
This is this is a call to all of these people.
Okay.
The church bureaucracy, the church, you know, hierarchy cannot, cannot step away from the responsibility here.
There are no half measures.
And the fact that they were issuing statements like that just before this happened shows you how dangerous weak leaders are.
Okay.
I've liked stuff from guys like Bishop Barron, but there is no excuse, zero excuse for siding with the Bolsheviks, giving them comfort, or in any way, any way, standing against the enforcement of the law in the face of their terror.
It is unacceptable from any church leader.
If your pastor is in any way in the pulpit excusing this this weekend, you need to speak out.
Okay.
You need to tell your church, this is not okay.
We need to stand strong against this.
And I don't want to see anyone from the Southern Baptists to the Catholics saying anything different.
This is a gross violation of the First Amendment, a direct attack on our freedom as Americans, a persecution of Christians, and it will not stand.
So I hope that this speaks directly to church leadership.
There cannot be any weakness in this area.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're a church leader, whether you're, again, Southern Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, and you're sitting back and you're scratching your head, like, how have we lost so much ground over the last few decades?
Stand Firm in Truth 00:01:41
You know, why are so many people not finding value?
I mean, I know these things are reversing to some degree with Zoomers, but by and large, Americans, again, have sort of abandoned Christianity a lot of guards and they're sitting around scratching their heads like, why could this happen?
It's like, because of that, of this weakness, of this just meekness and this, again, just constantly trying to capitulate grounds to the left, hoping that maybe if you just give them enough, then they'll be able to leave us alone.
That's not going to happen.
Central to their belief, they see Christianity as a roadblock.
They see it as an imposing force and they correctly have identified it as, again, the thing holding them back from total liberation, you know, these sorts of things.
Because again, they're just an anti-Western, anti-human force.
And so it's like, as Christians, again, to maybe borrow euphemism, with a stand on business, really.
That's the situation here.
You know what's true.
We're right.
We're correct.
You need to be confident in that and stand firm.
Again, we have our guys in power.
We can put pressure on them.
We can, again, get them moving in the right direction.
But also, this starts in the churches.
We need strong churches.
We need to be a beacon for our community because, again, people are struggling right now.
People feel like they're getting blown around in the wind.
People feel unstable.
They feel like they don't have their hand on the wheel.
You know what you can do to provide some people some security is reflect Christ's values in your church, which is strength, which is order.
And again, which is standing on truth.
There's no question about that.
The job of the civil magistrate inside the Christian religion is to protect the right of the faithful to serve and worship God.
Why Aren't They Arrested? 00:05:16
Period.
That's it.
If you have one job as a civil magistrate in a Christian nation, that is your job.
And we are simply seeing a lack of that.
We're seeing it at the state level.
Obviously, a lot of people have asked, well, why wasn't Don Lemon and why weren't these people arrested immediately?
They're obviously on video.
They're obviously committing crimes.
The answer is very simple.
The state of Minnesota is not going after them.
The municipalities who are in charge of the police in that area are not going after them.
They have first crack at this.
The federal government can file its charges, but it has to go get arrest warrants from judges and everything else.
It has to act slower because per federalism, per the constitution, this is a state and local matter unless it has to become a federal matter.
And so the immediate response should have come from the state, should have come from local governments.
But they are quite literally insurrectionists right now.
They are ignoring their duty to care for and protect the people of their state, which is why we need reconstruction in Minneapolis, why we need it in Minnesota.
We need the federal government to take charge.
It's time to sign a consent degree.
It's time for the federal government to take control of law enforcement in that state.
But until then, Army Dylan, obviously, and Pam Bondi should be working to put every one of these people in jail for as long as humanly possible.
Again, I cannot stress enough how important it is these people do not get slaps on the wrist.
Full federal prison sentences, years in jail, no fines, no house arrests, no sweetheart deal because Don Lemon was on CNN one time in jail, period.
True.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, because you know, a lot of people in the space have been calling for arrests of these more high-profile figures that, again, are instigating these incidents that are cheering it on, that in this case, are directly like abetting the, again, this raid into this church.
And a lot of people are saying, well, look at all these arrests they're making, you know, at the lower level.
Look, they are putting away a lot of these guys.
And it's like, okay, that's great.
But to the left, they need to see their Titans held accountable.
That's the problem is because they're not listening to Joe Schmo, who gets wrapped up in some operation in Minneapolis.
They're looking at these Don Lemons.
They're looking at these sorts of people, again, as the leaders, the figureheads of what they're trying to do.
And it's like, until you hold those people accountable at the high levels, again, at their top level, their top brass, it's going to be really difficult to communicate to these people that this is not acceptable.
Again, and that's, you know, Trump, too, this is a different, different ballgame, new sheriff in town.
It's not going to fly.
And yeah, until we get those high-profile arrests, I don't know how you can really communicate to these people.
Because again, like I said, they're not really too concerned if Joe Schmo gets wrapped up.
They can, you know, they can compartmentalize that.
But when Don Lemon gets marched out in handcuffs in front of a courthouse, that's how you send a message.
That's how you communicate to these people enough.
Your reign of terror is coming to a close.
Yeah, Steve Bannon went to jail and nobody cared that he had one of the biggest shows on the right.
He goes to jail, right?
People forget that the Obama administration sent Dinesh D'Souza to jail.
Like they don't care.
They will put our people in jail, even the media figures, the reporters, people with high profiles.
They don't care.
We can't care back.
There can't be this double standard where leftist high-profile figures have some immunity towards their political actions, but the right can get thrown in jail on every single tiny little bit of this.
We all saw as the left went after Douglas Mackey and sentence him to prison for making a meme.
You cannot let Douglas Mackey get sentenced to prison for making a meme and then let Don Lemon go free after leading a federal raid against a church committing federal crimes.
This simply cannot be allowed to stand.
Like I said, I'm glad to hear that the Trump administration is planning to do this.
I understand it takes a few days given the necessities of the system.
I just want, I think everyone rightly is a little concerned.
I think we've all seen the administration drop the ball on these things, not get it done, not get across the goal line.
We've had promises made about going after NGOs, Antifa, all this stuff.
You know, high-profile people, none of it has ultimately come to fruition.
So I hear people saying, well, this one isn't going to happen either.
Okay.
I want to be proven wrong.
I am cheering desperately, pleading, Pam Bondi, Army Dylan, prove everybody wrong.
Put these people in jail.
Because if you don't, like we said, the whole, the can of everything just gets completely unleashed.
Because again, if we, if we can't stop them at the doors of our church, we won't stop them at the doors of our home.
That's all there is to it.
So I am, again, encouraged to see the Trump administration talking tough and taking action, but the conversion here must be complete.
Nothing, nothing can keep them from continuing this act, continuing this prosecution, because the consequences of dropping the ball this time, it can be the last time.
Yeah.
Minneapolis will continue in perpetuity.
Widespread Instability in South Africa 00:04:24
What we're seeing now, again, they have the bodies, okay?
They have the numbers.
There's no question about that.
Like the idea that this is sort of some fringe element of the United States is not true.
We saw after Charlie Kirk how many people were just posting on Facebook like Jubilation with their full government name on there.
There's a lot of people out there.
Like you don't just mop this up by arresting a few radicals.
It's like this is an element in our country that is a massive, massive proportion of the country.
And again, like these high profile arrests, this isn't like the first term where maybe you could perceive them as maybe like red meat for the base, which I do think they're actually, it would have been consequential in the long term if we made these arrests.
But, you know, I can see like, okay, arresting Hillary Clinton.
Okay.
Maybe that's more like red meat for the base.
This go around.
These arrests are not red meat for the base.
This is literally trying to save the republic.
Like that's what's going on here.
Because I mean, to your point, again, this is just going to continue.
You're going to get Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle.
These cities are going to be like this in perpetuity.
And then who knows?
It could spread.
I mean, you know, these red state governors are doing a better job, obviously, of sort of utilizing local law enforcement, but it's not a guarantee that that holds for long.
I mean, these police departments only have so many resources.
At a certain point, it just gets out of hand.
And then we end up with South Africa or Brazil or something along those lines.
And that's a reality that could literally occur in this decade.
The numbers are there.
The stage is set.
The country is doused in gasoline right now.
It really doesn't take much to push us into that territory.
I don't fear a civil war per se.
I mean, I know on Timcast, it's kind of our thing, a civil war.
I fear like South Africa.
South Africa doesn't have a civil war.
It just gets worse and worse and worse.
And criminals are allowed.
They're granted more room, more space.
Leftist groups and agitators and these different NGOs are just given more and more space to operate.
That's almost far worse than a civil war because at least civil war, there's an end in sight.
South Africa is just going to be like this until the country collapses, which is probably not going to happen anytime soon.
Wait, it hasn't happened yet.
I mean, there's a lot of ruin in a country, right?
And this is really the problem.
I am not an accelerationist in the sense of things need to get worse so we can get better.
I don't believe that.
I think you win by winning.
However, there is a truth to what you're saying and what many accelerationists point to, which is that if the frog is boiled slowly enough, people never hit that hard point where they feel like they have to take action.
And so if things just get worse, but they manage to get worse in increments that are comfortable enough to adjust to, people never feel that hard stop that says, we must take serious action.
I don't want my country to fall in disrepair.
I don't want to see a civil war in my country.
That's why I'm begging for action now.
That's why I'm looking for what some people might call extreme action now, because only through extreme action under the color of law do you avoid either constant slow degradation or the much more severe action without the law, right?
And that's what we need to avoid.
I am very worried, as you say, that we won't get a civil war and that we will just get a slow breakdown of the country because everyone falls into complacency.
And that's why when I say here, this is the line, I don't mean because tomorrow there'll be civil war.
I mean, because if you allow the Bolsheviks to go past this line without consequence, there will be no stopping them.
They just will continue to creep through everything.
And that's why I think it's critical for action to be taken.
I know people are worried about the political, the optics, all these things, but you know what gets the administration's approval rating up?
Action.
Victory.
That's what people feel.
That's what they felt when Trump entered office, when the executive orders were flying, when victories were being secured, when his approval ratings were up.
It's because he was taking strong action.
The reason he's been mired down, the reason you're seeing the approval ratings fall is because people are starting to lose that energy.
Curtis Yarvin talked about Rubicon energy coming in to the Trump administration when it first happened and the lack of it.
This is an opportunity to regain that energy.
The left has made a critical mistake.
This is a real serious optical nightmare for them.
There is very little they can do except for their most extreme radical Bolshevik base to sell the idea that it's okay for them to storm churches.
Okay, that is the worst.
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When you see a small girl crying in the corner over her church being stormed, that is the worst possible optics.
Plus, they actually violated plenty of laws that we can charge them for.
This is the perfect situation to lay down the hammer under the color of law and show the left what needs to happen here.
It's also a good way to show the base you still care and you're going to take your focus off of Venezuela or Iran or whatever garbage Middle East piece of trash that I don't want to be talking about.
And you're actually going to care about the American people and Christians in the United States.
I don't want to hear about, oh, we've got to stop anti-Semitism in the Middle East.
Oh, I got to worry about whether China's with Venezuela.
No, stop the Bolsheviks in my country who are invading my church.
I'm a Southern Baptist.
Okay, this could have been my church just as easily.
Actually, it couldn't have because there are armed guys in front of my church.
But I don't want to see a single person who shares my religious beliefs being put in this situation.
And so this has to change.
And like I said, action is what's going to drive victory for the Trump administration here.
And again, I'm glad to see them realizing that, talking the talk.
Let's see that walk as well.
Absolutely.
I concur 100%, Oron.
Thank you so much for hopping on.
Where can people find you?
Again, I'm over on Blaze TV, YouTube, Rumble, of course, Twitter, and then on all the podcast apps.
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much.
I really appreciate you coming on.
Thanks, man.
Good to talk to you.
All righty.
Well, that was the great Oron McIntyre.
I mean, it's absolutely true.
I mean, again, you give these people an inch.
They'll take them out.
We're dealing with Bolsheviks here.
I mean, just thumb through a history book.
You'll see what these people are capable of.
So with that, we'll be back tonight for Tim Cast IRL at 8 p.m.
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