Aug. 5, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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| Good afternoon, Rumble. | ||
| This is producer Tate Tate Brown here holding it down. | ||
| I think it's a new catchphrase. | ||
| You know, I got Alex Stein, prime time 99. | ||
| Said it completely coincidentally yesterday, but some people are saying it works. | ||
| So if it works, it works. | ||
| Here, filling in for Tim Poole, holding it down. | ||
| Tim's voice, that dude grinds. | ||
| I mean, he works nonstop. | ||
| He's a workaholic, and his voice, unfortunately, biology catches up. | ||
| His voice is rough. | ||
| He's hurting. | ||
| So yeah, we're holding it down for him. | ||
| Hopefully we can get him back up in here soon. | ||
| Yeah, we're transitioning you into the afternoon portion of the Rumble lineup. | ||
| I want to shout out Crowder for the raid. | ||
| Steven Crowder, great guy. | ||
| We got a bunch of big stories today. | ||
| The big one, of course, the courts are back at it. | ||
| The judges are back at it. | ||
| Activist judge, you've heard it a million times. | ||
| This is an interesting story, though. | ||
| We're going to break it down. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
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| This is the big one. | ||
| We got the Culture War podcast live. | ||
| We got our third installment of the Triple Crown coming up on Saturday. | ||
| You got to get your tickets. | ||
| You got to be there. | ||
| The great feminism debate. | ||
| We got Myron Gaines. | ||
| We got Kat Tempf. | ||
| We got Kyla Turner. | ||
| This is a rock star cast. | ||
| You do not want to miss this. | ||
| We got Alex Stein, of course, and Tim Poole holding it down on stage. | ||
| You can get up there. | ||
| You can have a debate. | ||
| I do feel like this is probably going to be the testiest one yet. | ||
| So you really don't want to miss this. | ||
| It's going to be next level. | ||
| So yeah. | ||
| Let's get into that first story from CBS News. | ||
| U.S. border agents directed to stop deportations under Trump's asylum ban after court order sources say. | ||
| U.S. border agents have been directed to stop deporting migrants under President Trump's ban on asylum claims following a federal court order that said the measure could not be used to completely suspend humanitarian protections for asylum seekers. | ||
| Two Department of Homeland Security officials told CBS News. | ||
| The move effectively lifts a sweeping policy that had closed the American asylum system to those entering the U.S. illegally or without proper documents. | ||
| It's a measure the second Trump administration had credited for a steep drop in illegal immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border, where officials last month reported the lowest monthly level of migrant apprehensions on record. | ||
| Mr. Trump's asylum crackdown was unprecedented in scope. | ||
| The proclamation underpinning it issued just hours after he returned to the White House in January gave U.S. border officials the power to summarily deport migrants without allowing them to request asylum, a right enshrined in American law for decades. | ||
| Mr. Trump said the extraordinary action was necessary due to what he called an invasion of migrants under the Biden administration, which faced record levels of illegal crossings at the southern border until it too restricted asylum last year. | ||
| So I'll keep reading here. | ||
| This is kind of the meat, meat, and potatoes here of the story. | ||
| On Friday, a federal appeals court lifted its paws on a lower judge's ruling that found Mr. Trump's decree violated U.S. asylum laws. | ||
| While the appellate court narrowed the lower court's order saying Mr. Trump's proclamation could be used to pause access to the asylum system, it also ruled that the U.S. government could not disregard other laws that bar officials from deporting migrants to places where they could be tortured or persecuted. | ||
| So obviously CBS, you know, they're not going to give the very favorable language to the Trump administration here. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, there's a lot of questions to be asked of this asylum system that's been in place for decades now. | ||
| Obviously, Trump, that was a priority for him when he got in. | ||
| I mean, it was within hours. | ||
| He, you know, finished up, you know, swearing in, head down to the Capitol One Arena and just started signing nonstop. | ||
| And yeah, part of that was putting an end to this asylum scam. | ||
| Because the situation we have at the border is you're eligible for asylum, like if your country sucks. | ||
| That's like, that's like the new thing. | ||
| I mean, asylum used to mean like you're coming from, you know, like a Mad Max country, like people are hopping back and forth from cars and like committing a bunch of crime and like hunting you down and stuff. | ||
| But now, like, oh, your economy sucks. | ||
| Okay, you can apply for asylum. | ||
| Like, it's the most bizarre, bizarre thing. | ||
| It's so all this to say, it's something that needed to be cracked down on for a while. | ||
| But of course, these judges, they hate, they hate the fact that this established bureaucracy is being challenged. | ||
| So I think this actually goes a step beyond the activist judges. | ||
| I don't think this is purely just activist judges that hate Trump. | ||
| I think it actually is striking at something deeper because Trump won. | ||
| His mandate was to effectively end this immigration racket that's been destroying our country. | ||
| And these judges, I don't think it, like I was saying earlier, I don't think it's just about stopping Trump. | ||
| I think it's beyond that. | ||
| I think they view themselves as the vanguard of this bureaucratic system, this system that this neoliberal world order that's been in place for the last 50, 60 years. | ||
| So they're really bought into this project, right? | ||
| Like they go to college for this kind of stuff. | ||
| There's billions and billions of books and literature written about this system, this global system. | ||
| So from their perspective, it's not just about Trump. | ||
| they feel like they're defending this great system that's led to human flourishment. | ||
| Of course, Trump does have the mandate to... | ||
| They view it as just paperwork. | ||
| It's like a driver's license. | ||
| It's purely coincidental and you can swap people in and out. | ||
| And Trump, and by a lot of, I mean, Trump, there's, you know, he has these farm work this morning. | ||
| He was saying that, you know, maybe the farm workers don't need to be deported. | ||
| Like, of course, you know, Trump's rhetoric changes on this thing. | ||
| It's more about what Trump represents. | ||
| And what Trump represents, most importantly, what Trump represents to these judges is he represents a attempt of the American people to reclaim their sovereignty, not just over their borders, but over the way they conceptualize America as a nation. | ||
| We want to take control of that again because what we're seeing from this bureaucratic state is they view America, Americans as just completely interchangeable cogs. | ||
| They just see the world as Americans and future Americans, and you can just bring them in and swap them in and out. | ||
| And they don't view it any deeper than that. | ||
| So, like, what Trump, this battle between Trump and these judges represents, it's not just a personal feud. | ||
| Maybe that's how the, maybe that's how the press views it, and maybe even how Trump views it, but this is a lot deeper than that. | ||
| This is a battle over the ability for Americans to define themselves as a nation and not just paperwork, right? | ||
| I mean, it's a lot deeper than that. | ||
| And the thing about it is Trump is the first president that's actually moving the ball in that direction. | ||
| Because, you know, the GOP for the longest time has they've, they've, you know, they've had a big, big game. | ||
| They've talked a big game on illegal immigration. | ||
| And then they're like, well, you got to come legally, right? | ||
| Like, that's the illegal immigration has a stop, but the legal immigration, like, that's what we want. | ||
| So it's like, it doesn't matter if the same people are coming. | ||
| It's, they still have, they still buy into this framework of Americans are just interchangeable. | ||
| So they're like, well, if you come here, but if you get your paperwork done, then that's fine. | ||
| So it's just like allegiance to the system more than the actual people. | ||
| We're not actually evaluating the individuals coming here and how they'll impact the country. | ||
| I'm not sure if that if I elaborated that well, but this is from the post-millennial. | ||
| American workers gained 2 million jobs in past year as immigration or immigrant employment faith. | ||
| Immigrant employment falls. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| In the past 12 months, job growth for Americans has surged as there's been a decline in employment among foreign workers. | ||
| This comes as the Trump administration has cracked down on illegal immigration after President Trump took office in January. | ||
| Data from the BLS shows that since July 2024 to July 2025, job growth has grown by nearly 2 million for those who are native-born Americans, an increase of 1.52% of American-born workers over the age of 16. | ||
| July, there's 133 million Native born Americans who are employed as opposed to 131 million for the same month of 2024. | ||
| So how much of this is correlated to Trump's policy directly? | ||
| And also how much is this correlated to just the change in the atmosphere in America? | ||
| Because I mean, a lot of a lot of the dubs have been just Trump as a figure has changed the culture of the United States and changed the atmosphere. | ||
| Like a lot of people that would, you know, during the Biden years when it was a total free-for-all that would make their way up to the border, a lot of them aren't even bothering. | ||
| A lot of them are just staying home because they know there's no use. | ||
| And I'm wondering if this is sort of having the same impact on the labor market right now as a lot of these companies or businesses rather, that's kind of interchangeable, but a lot of these businesses are a little more hesitant to hire higher illegal labor because they know that there could be a serious crackdown. | ||
| Here's Trump's labor secretary, Lori Chavez de Romer, told reporters that the promises made, the promises made the president were that he was going to pay attention to the American worker, and that's why you're seeing American-born jobs be increased. | ||
| So this is just so refreshing, right? | ||
| Seeing Americans being rewarded. | ||
| Because like for the last, that's been the narrative for the last 50, 60 years is just you kind of have to take this on the chin. | ||
| It's for the greater good. | ||
| I mean, that was basically the entire pitch to the Rust Belt. | ||
| And then that was the entire pitch to those same people as NAFTA sunken and the deindustrialization really sunk in and destroyed their communities. | ||
| And yeah, the promise was, well, you know, at least you'll get these like cushy office jobs maybe. | ||
| Oh, how do we get those jobs? | ||
| I don't know, learn to code maybe. | ||
| That was the entire, that was the entire pitch. | ||
| It was just like, we'll figure it out later. | ||
| Just let us import all of this and export all your all your manufacturing. | ||
| Trump obviously tapped into that in 2016. | ||
| And he's clearly still at the very forefront of his mind here in 2024 or 2025 is reprioritizing the American worker. | ||
| So I remember it was during COVID where you would see graph after graph of, yeah, a Native American as in Americans that are American. | ||
| The fact that we have to define Native American, we can't just say American because the media and academia has poisoned the language so much that you have to define what kind of American. | ||
| Let's get into that, actually. | ||
| So we had a great example today. | ||
| The Blaze clip this. | ||
| I actually don't know what publication this is from, but this is Democrat Representative Delia Ramirez at a summit in Mexico. | ||
| Why do we have Congress people having summits in Mexico City where it's not like, you know, chastising them for not running their country properly? | ||
| Like, what is going on here? | ||
| But she's speaking in Spanish here. | ||
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I'm a Guatemalan with a lot of pride. | |
| First, I'm American. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Now, if you're an American, you don't understand what any of that meant. | ||
| So that's a good baseline if we're trying to define what an American is. | ||
| She said in Spanish, I'm a proud Guatemalan before I'm an American. | ||
| That's incredibly alarming from a sitting congresswoman. | ||
| You know, my buddy Jackson, Jackson Rowell, he actually made a good point. | ||
| He was like the Teddy Roosevelt pitch where it was like, we don't want any more hyphenated Americans, right? | ||
| Like, you know, like Teddy Roosevelt's talking about like Irish Americans, Italian Americans. | ||
| He's like, you shouldn't be hyphenated Americans. | ||
| You should be just Americans. | ||
| Well, we've gone beyond that now. | ||
| Now people that are sitting Congress, Congresspeople, aren't even giving us the hyphen anymore. | ||
| They're not even giving us the decency of throwing the hyphen in. | ||
| They're just going straight to like, oh, I'm Guatemalan, right? | ||
| Like, at least throw the hyphen in there, you know, like humor us a little bit. | ||
| You know how they go like full mask off like that and just admit that you're like not even American. | ||
| You know, bad optics from Delia Ramirez. | ||
| And it's also disastrous that these people can take office, let alone, or, you know, they can live here, let alone take office. | ||
| If you don't have loyalty to the United States, I mean, that's kind of in the whole citizenship deal. | ||
| You're supposed to be loyal to the United States. | ||
| So yeah, I would say depose, get her out of office, denaturalize her, and she can live in Guatemala. | ||
| Guatemala is a great place from what I've heard. | ||
| Obviously, she thinks it's a great place because she identifies with it before America. | ||
| So it must be better than America. | ||
| So if anything, we maybe be doing her a favor. | ||
| She could represent Guatemala. | ||
| It'd be a beautiful thing. | ||
| We have more of this nonsense going on. | ||
| Rashida Tlaib, one of the OG squad members. | ||
| You haven't heard about the squad in a while because they've kind of just assimilated into being normal Democrats. | ||
| Rashida Tlaib, she put this tweet out yesterday or post. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're supposed to say post on X now, right? | ||
| Yeah, so she put this post out yesterday. | ||
| Muslim women belong in every room where decisions are made. | ||
| Grateful to stand with hijab on the hill to uplift Muslima visibility, representation, and unapologetic leadership. | ||
| There's a lot to unpack just in this one tweet. | ||
| First of all, Muslim women belong in every room where decisions are made. | ||
| That just sounds like a bad idea. | ||
| I like being employed and having future employee employment prospects, so I won't really speculate much on how I feel about Muslim women being in every room where decisions are made. | ||
| I just reject that wholeheartedly. | ||
| I'm really curious what hijab on the hill is. | ||
| Why do we have an event called Hijab on the Hill? | ||
| That's incredibly alarming. | ||
| And Muslima, is that the new, is this like Latina, Muslim Latinas? | ||
| I mean, it's getting so wild in America that even Latinas are getting their culture hijacked by other immigrant groups. | ||
| So it's like, I can't even keep up anymore. | ||
| So we have Muslima is Muslim X coming next, I think. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, this is really scary. | ||
| Hijab on the Hill. | ||
| Should not be a thing. | ||
| Deport, please, at Stephen Miller. | ||
| Do something about this. | ||
| Why do we have hijab on the hill? | ||
| I'm scared. | ||
| Trump, if you can hear me, save us. | ||
| I digress. | ||
| Stephen Miller is on the case. | ||
| This dude is a legend. | ||
| He's putting up like this. | ||
| Is prime LeBron. | ||
| We're watching this in a political perspective. | ||
| This is like 2013, 2014, LeBron, Miami Heat. | ||
| We are getting that performance right now from Stephen Miller. | ||
| It doesn't matter what's going on in the world. | ||
| Israel's bombing Iran. | ||
| Iran's bombing Israel. | ||
| Everything's falling apart. | ||
| Stephen, what do we do? | ||
| We need to deport people. | ||
| He didn't totally unphased. | ||
| He's on a mission. | ||
| He's locked in. | ||
| So Letitia James, Trump, one of Trump's biggest adversaries. | ||
| You know, she's just yapping about something. | ||
| No matter your background, immigration status, you're born. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We got it. | ||
| You know, we know. | ||
| We know what the whole routine is. | ||
| Stephen Miller comes in here and just slammed dunks on her. | ||
| The Democrat Party exists today to dispossess Americans. | ||
| Fact check true. | ||
| Exhibit A, hijab on the hill. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Exhibit B, I'm not even American in Guatemalan. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Thanks for that. | ||
| Exhibit C, they're just trying to not even let Trump stop these people from coming here. | ||
| So like we get Stephen Miller just vindicated over and over again. | ||
| Yes, the Democrat Party exists today to dispossess Americans. | ||
| The Democrat Party, people, you know, there's so there's so many problems with the Republican Party. | ||
| Like, don't get me started. | ||
| But the Democrat Party really just wants to strap a booster rocket to the destruction of the United States. | ||
| And I'm so thankful for Stephen Miller and Trump and all of them holding back this tide. | ||
| There is something you can do about it. | ||
| I love this. | ||
| I love seeing these Homeland Security people just throwing out ad after ad. | ||
| You do not need an undergraduate degree to join ICE. | ||
| It's a beautiful thing. | ||
| This is like the new adventure for young men. | ||
| I think a lot of young men, including myself, are kind of spiraling. | ||
| We don't know what to do. | ||
| Life feels a bit stale. | ||
| It feels a bit boring. | ||
| ICE is kind of the new, it's the new thing, right? | ||
| If you want to do something great, if you want to do something cool, if you want to leave a mark on the world and save your country, ICE is a great option, I think. | ||
| I think this is like this is really exciting stuff. | ||
| And they're making great pitches. | ||
| It's the thing, because young men have been really disenfranchised, I think, as a young man. | ||
| So it's so good to see. | ||
| It's so good to see that there are still some options for greatness. | ||
| But I do kind of want to pivot into that. | ||
| I want to pivot into this general feeling among young Americans of nihilism. | ||
| We kind of talked about it a little bit on IRL last night. | ||
| This is a graph from my buddy Nathan. | ||
| This graph really illustrates how dire things are getting. | ||
| Take a look at this. | ||
| This is the estimated percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners. | ||
| As a society, right? | ||
| How do you possibly keep everything together if this is the situation? | ||
| I mean, you have an entire generation of young men who like their future is just basically studio apartment, video games, weed, DoorDash. | ||
| That's like, that's all there is to life. | ||
| Good luck getting married. | ||
| Certainly good luck owning a home. | ||
| We're kind of circling the dream. | ||
| How does this not, how does this not devolve into anger? | ||
| Or how does this not devolve into extremism, rather? | ||
| He threw a second graph in here just to really, really, you know, let it sink in. | ||
| Median household income. | ||
| Just very, very nothing impressive there. | ||
| And then, of course, the median home price through the roof. | ||
| You guys know this. | ||
| This is not terribly surprising. | ||
| But this is going to be the result. | ||
| Is Mamdani. | ||
| Everyone's scratching their head. | ||
| Everyone's, you know, there's video after video where people are going through his economic policy. | ||
| And they're like, how could anybody believe this? | ||
| Like, this just demonstrates that young people haven't been properly educated on free markets or properly educated on the wonders of capitalism. | ||
| And I mean, this is me. | ||
| I'm a bleeding heart capitalist. | ||
| But I'm sitting here saying when you look at a graph like this, yeah, don't be surprised if people are going to opt for very extreme solutions. | ||
| I don't think people are taking seriously the fact that baby boomers are basically the last them as a voting block is what's maintaining society as we know it. | ||
| And once they're gone, you're going to get Mamdani's left and right everywhere. | ||
| I mean, you're already kind of getting it. | ||
| Yes, so people are very angry. | ||
| They're going to be trending towards extremism. | ||
| This was from Vox. | ||
| This was about two days ago. | ||
| Was Trump's Gen Z era just a phase? | ||
| They come in here, they highlight the percentage drop, 27 percentage point drop in the last six months, taking the presidents from a positive 55% approval rating among Gen Z to 28% July. | ||
| Tim speculated this, and this is 100% true, is this isn't Gen Z. Their frustration with the Trump administration, they're not outflanking them to the left. | ||
| These are people that are upset that immigration numbers are lower than they should have been. | ||
| They're upset about the Israel stuff. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| They're getting hyped up. | ||
| Like, oh, see, it was just a phase. | ||
| was just the podcast bros um speak speak to some young men and ask them what their grade is on trump so far and ask them to which side do they flank donald trump and um you'll you'll start to see why um why is approval | ||
| rating maybe taking a dip here um but it's young people they're grasping at straws they don't really have they've given up on the conventional routes forward they feel like it's been robbed from them um i saw this this was um this was on this was sent to me uh it was a subreddit gen x i guess people come on here and ask gen x questions and this was a zoomer and they ask were parties like this ever actually a thing uh i love | ||
| 90s and 2000s movies so much and all of these teen movies have just one of these party scenes they look so fun i'm gen z and have never been to anything like this and they throw a couple pictures here these are from movies and whatnot and obviously hollywood has kind of glitz and glammed up these scenes i mean obviously it's not going to be like | ||
| this to a te but if you go through and if you're and if you're gen x maybe you can you know kind of elaborate on this is a lot of people are saying yeah the house parties were quite common um they were actually a thing and um so if you're a young person, if you're Gen Z and you're growing up and you're watching movies like this, you're given these promises of what life's going to be like. | ||
| You're given these promises of what institutions you all have access to, like marriage and homeownership, and none of those go to fruition. | ||
| And all you're offered in return is DoorDash membership and like Rocket League. | ||
| Yeah, sorry. | ||
| No, you're going to get Mamdani and you're going to get people that want Trump to be that are outflanking Trump to the right. | ||
| You should not be surprised about this at all. | ||
| I've said it a million times, but it really is this feeling of inheritance has been stolen. | ||
| This is a piece from Derek Thompson. | ||
| He actually kind of walked through the death of partying in the USA. | ||
| This graph right here is what jumped out to me. | ||
| This was the source was monitoring the future. | ||
| Social gatherings, percentage of 12th graders going out with friends two or more times a week. | ||
| You can see in 1980, this would be what, mid-80s, higher than that, among boys, girls, slightly lower. | ||
| Look at it, just falls off a cliff after 2010. | ||
| Down to that's like a 30, 20, 30 point drop. | ||
| This is just an indication of generations that have given up. | ||
| Generations that have tapped out. | ||
| They're not buying the promises that were granted to them. | ||
| They're not buying the conventional pathways. | ||
| And they're certainly not going to buy the politics as we know it. | ||
| We're going to devolve into more and more extremism. | ||
| It's a total, it's a total disaster. | ||
| And when you walk around the country, we don't know. | ||
| I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you're a Zoomer, you don't even know what the country was like. | ||
| You don't know what you just, you can only see it through movies, and you can only be, it can only be illustrated to you through stories. | ||
| We don't actually know what it was like. | ||
| Like the entire time growing up in this country, it's felt foreign. | ||
| You've never felt like ours. | ||
| Go to Costco. | ||
| I mean, that'll turn the most bleeding heart liberal into like a full-blown right-winger. | ||
| Is if you go to Costco. | ||
| I mean, it's like no one speaks English. | ||
| There's like a place is packed. | ||
| It looks like a bazaar. | ||
| And it's crazy, and it's totally unrecognizable. | ||
| But then you flip on the movies and it's like, yeah, you get these like house parties and everyone's really cool and hip and whatever. | ||
| And you go to other movies, they're getting married, they're buying homes. | ||
| Like a good example is like the 1990s. | ||
| You had King of Queens and you had the main character, Doug. | ||
| And he's portrayed as like the biggest loser ever, right? | ||
| Like that's the whole premise of the show is this guy, Doug, is like the biggest loser. | ||
| But what does he have? | ||
| I think the show's set in like 95. | ||
| He owns a home in Queens, New York. | ||
| He's married. | ||
| He has a solid job, a really great social circle. | ||
| He has places he goes after work. | ||
| He always has schemes going on. | ||
| And this was the 1990s. | ||
| This was their idea of a loser. | ||
| It's kind of the same thing you see with the Simpsons. | ||
| Versus now, that would put you at like the penalty. | ||
| You'd be like the man if that was your lifestyle. | ||
| If you were a homeowner with a wife and a solid job, I mean, that's like a miracle. | ||
| And so you just come down here and I mean, look at some of these statistics. | ||
| Men who watch, who watch television now spend seven hours in front of their TV for every hour they spend hanging out with someone outside their home. | ||
| The typical female pet owner spends more time actively engaged with her pet than she spends in face-to-face contact with friends of her own species. | ||
| And since the early 2000s, the amount of time that Americans say they spend helping or caring for people outside their nuclear family has declined by more than a third. | ||
| How do we get out of this? | ||
| This is this is horrifying. | ||
| We should be thankful that, I mean, Mom Donnie seems like the moderate, the moderate outcome for the political solutions that a society like this holds. | ||
| I'm not trying to blackpill here because I think Trump is going to provide solutions for this, but I don't think people are fully conceptualizing what the GOP could look like after Trump because I think the establishment is desperate to reel everyone back in, to get everyone to buy back into the pre-Trump paradigm. | ||
| The older generations, the baby boomers, they're dying off. | ||
| As a voting base, they're shrinking. | ||
| And the Zoomers obviously are encompassing a larger and larger portion of the share of the vote. | ||
| You can't put this back in the box, right? | ||
| You can't put the cat back in the bag. | ||
| It's just, it's not going to happen. | ||
| Full stop. | ||
| And so this is a great article. | ||
| There's a lot more here. | ||
| But that kind of epitomizes it is this. | ||
| This sounds a little wacky. | ||
| I saw this on my feed and it brought me a lot of pain. | ||
| This is what Cracker Barrels look like now. | ||
| And if you're an American, a real red-blooded patriot, Cracker Barrel has a special place in your heart, right? | ||
| You're on a road trip. | ||
| You're desperate, right? | ||
| Everyone has a different idea of what they want for lunch. | ||
| Cracker Barrel is the constellation. | ||
| That's where everyone comes together. | ||
| They say, okay, fine. | ||
| Yeah, I could do Cracker Barrel. | ||
| They got the pregame lobby where you can go and shop. | ||
| Like you can buy like caramel and stuff. | ||
| Like it's the only restaurant that has a pregame lobby. | ||
| It's a beautiful thing. | ||
| And then you go in and you're transported like the 1950s. | ||
| You're like eating dinner under like a horse castrator. | ||
| Like it's a it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful American experience. | ||
| And this is what they've done to it. | ||
| This, this epitomizes everything that's gone wrong in this country is this remodel right here. | ||
| And I'm not being facetious. | ||
| They've stripped away any actual tangible identity and they've reduced it down to data, right? | ||
| Like this was probably an algorithm told them that this would be the best way to get customers in and out of the restaurant. | ||
| And they've stripped it down and it feels like nothing. | ||
| It makes you feel like dirt, right? | ||
| It makes you feel empty. | ||
| And it's cracky. | ||
| This is Cracker Barrel. | ||
| This is supposed to be like their refuge from the storm. | ||
| And instead, it's just looks like a Brooklyn cafe, you know, or coffee shop. | ||
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It's just, it's just sad, folks. | |
| So it didn't mean to go so hard, right? | ||
| They mean the black pill. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| But I do want to shift gears here. | ||
| So we're going to wrap up the morning segment, the morning news. | ||
| It's kind of an interesting one, but thanks for sticking with me. | ||
| We're going to jump into this next story. | ||
| For the people watching for the 4 p.m. segment, we're going to give them a little intro here. | ||
| So we're going to be joined by Nate Fisher of New Founding, the CEO of New Founding. | ||
| He's a high IQ patriot. | ||
| We're going to bring him in and have a chat about AI. | ||
| I'm producer Tate, Tate Brown, holding it down for Tim Pool today. | ||
| Let's open up this story here from NBC News. | ||
| This is a great headline. | ||
| Is an AI backlash brewing? | ||
| What clanker says about growing frustration with emerging tech? | ||
| A slur for robots And AI has emerged online in recent weeks, offering some sense of growing societal anxiety with increasing capable technology. | ||
| It's a slur for the AI age. | ||
| Clanker, a word that traces back to a Star Wars video game, has emerged in recent weeks as the internet's favorite epithet for any kind of technology looking to replace humans. | ||
| On TikTok, people harass robots in stores and on sidewalks with it. | ||
| Certain interest for the term has spiked. | ||
| On Sunday, Senator Ruben Gallego used the term last week to tout a new piece of legislation. | ||
| People are getting a little fed up with AI and clanker has emerged as a slur. | ||
| I mean, that was pretty quick that people got fed up with AI. | ||
| I think people are a little nervous about it. | ||
| I thought it'd be cool to bring in an expert to have a chat about it, maybe put people at ease. | ||
| So let's see here. | ||
| Nate, can you hear me? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Dude, what's up? | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Doing well. | ||
| Good to be on. | ||
| Do you want to give the viewers an intro who you are, what you do? | ||
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Sure. | |
| So Nate Fisher, founder of New Founding, which is a venture firm focused on critical civilizational problems. | ||
| And I use that really in a broad sense. | ||
| We have a venture fund, but we also have a real estate project. | ||
| We're actually building a community, sort of a new vision of local life. | ||
| We have a company that's involved in AI transformation, which we're pretty involved in. | ||
| We really built it. | ||
| So kind of a wide range of things. | ||
| I use venture in the broad sense. | ||
| Based in Dallas, Texas, wife, five kids, and really just look for, kind of look to understand the intersection between the big political cultural trends of our day and outsized business opportunities. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Well, I was leading in with a story from NBC. | ||
| I don't know if you've been on social media recently and seen the new slur for robots that's been occurring. | ||
| People are calling them clankers. | ||
| It's like a throwback to like a Star Wars video game. | ||
| People obviously are very, very skeptical about AI technology and robots and that sort of thing. | ||
| But a lot of people, especially in our circles, have been promoting it. | ||
| They're saying this could be the solution to a lot of our civilizational problems. | ||
| A big one that people highlight is the birth rate, the declining birth rate. | ||
| People say this could be good for filling in gaps without being dependent on immigration. | ||
| I'm wondering what you're seeing, what your kind of general general thoughts are on this transition to AI, where we maybe need to stop, where we need to go, that sort of thing. | ||
| So I'm an optimist about this. | ||
| At least about the possible, right? | ||
| I think that it's not, I don't think there's a guarantee of a good direction, but I think that we should be, my view is on the right, we're in a world where many of the legacy institutions have been sort of defined and controlled by political opponents. | ||
| Any disruptive technology should presumptively be something that we believe we can lever that's a friend of ours because it's certainly more of a threat to the establishment than it is to us. | ||
| It's going to come with its own threats. | ||
| It's going to come with its own challenges. | ||
| But really, how those shake out could go either way, right? | ||
| There's no guarantee that they're going to sort of further cement, let's say, the less hegemony or further accelerate. | ||
| I actually think it's very likely that many of the distortions, if you think of sort of anomalies of the last 50 years or whatever, that are really sort of distortions or divergence from the historical norm. | ||
| I think a realistic expectation is that powerful disruptive technology will first eliminate those and sort of first, the most likely impacts are actually to move us back to historical norms. | ||
| Now, they'll bring their own distortions that we need to be aware of. | ||
| But again, I think we should embrace these. | ||
| I think in many ways, the job of entrepreneurs is to make sure that we actually lever these new technologies in ways that are in line with our vision for society rather than in line with others. | ||
| So what do you do? | ||
| You sort of envision a future that doesn't yet exist and you will it into existence as an entrepreneur. | ||
| And there's a lot of plausible directions here for us to work on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, you kind of mentioned it because when most people think AI, the direction we're heading, they're thinking like Blade Runner. | ||
| That's just, it is what it is, or possibly WALL-E. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But you mentioned this could actually be a perhaps way to return to older civilizational norms. | ||
| Could you maybe expand on that thought a little more? | ||
| So there's an interesting concept. | ||
| It's called the Lindy principle, which is the expected life of something corresponds to how long it has existed so far. | ||
| And I think you could look at sort of any, you could look at sort of any institution, any anomaly. | ||
| You could look at Harvard and you could say it's been around 400 years. | ||
| So there's a good chance that it has, there's a good chance it'll weather a lot of disruptions. | ||
| It'll be around another 400 years. | ||
| You could look at, let's say, a particular social dynamic or whatever, online dating, right? | ||
| It's been around 10, 20 years. | ||
| It's likely that whatever the dynamic, and even then it's changed substantially in terms of dynamics, rather than assuming that those trend lines will actually just continue more and more. | ||
| I think the more likely, the more reasonable thing to do is to actually look at the lifespan of a particular dynamic and assume that within that amount of time, it's expected to change significantly. | ||
| So I think one of the major things, you look at mass immigration, you look at sort of the dominance of administrative, sort of bureaucratic administrators in the workforce, the extent to which companies have been dominated by those. | ||
| And maybe, you know, three, four, five decades in many cases, maybe a little bit more than that. | ||
| I think we should say their expected lifespan is there's a good chance that those institutions don't survive into the digital age and that these disruptive technologies actually first sort of erase the anomalous changes of the last of recent decades. | ||
| And the baseline is actually looking at sort of norms that continued for much longer before then. | ||
| And then on top of that, you'll have your own digital anomalies. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, on top of that, I think a big fear people have is replacing jobs, right? | ||
| They're afraid of jobs being wiped out at a large scale. | ||
| Obviously, people that are in more creative fields like art and video production have been sounding the alarms. | ||
| You know, there's a whole other side of that, which is perhaps these are actually just tools that make those people's lives easier. | ||
| Do you see AI really expanding beyond? | ||
| Because right now it does seem to actually kind of just be more of a tool or an aid. | ||
| It's not quite able to replace an artist entirely. | ||
| Do you anticipate that occurring? | ||
| Do you think there's other jobs that are going to be maybe on the chopping block? | ||
| Or how do you think this will evolve? | ||
| I mean, I think there's a lot of jobs that'll be on the chopping block, but by and large, I would say those are jobs that you would probably look at and feel like that is a less human job in some sense. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of jobs where you almost feel like the work you're doing is dehumanizing. | ||
| And if it's dehumanizing, there's a good chance that it is and that a machine can do it better. | ||
| I think there's a lot of other jobs where there's something sort of fundamentally human to them and those aren't going to go away. | ||
| Like to me, I think a good heuristic is new technologies first replace old technologies. | ||
| They're much more likely to replace old technologies than they are to replace people. | ||
| Now, I would say bureaucracy, when you think of bureaucracy, in a sense, you've actually forced people to become cogs in this system that you could think of as sort of a quasi-technology in itself. | ||
| So there's a lot of systems where people play a role and those are good candidates for replacement by more advanced technologies. | ||
| But there's a lot of other jobs where people are fulfilling a fundamentally human function. | ||
| I mean, I think the most clear one is executive agency. | ||
| I mean, to the extent you are exercising executive agency, AI is only a powerful tool, a powerful lever for you to get more done, essentially what might other require you, otherwise require you to have a lot of people. | ||
| Now, I think there's going to be real questions about sort of entry-level jobs and opportunity to gain experience, and that will require adjustments in sort of the credentialing pipelines and training. | ||
| Maybe you have to move back to more of an apprenticeship where there's sort of a wrecking, rather than, let's say, investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in this formal education, and then you're supposed to get into a job where you're paid immediately. | ||
| Maybe there's some sort of hybrid where you're an apprentice and you're paid less, but you're gaining some experience that wouldn't be possible. | ||
| It wouldn't be viable as an entry-level job because there's not enough sort of straight work to be done, but that hybrid works. | ||
| I mean, there's any number of ways that we can sort of reorganize that process, but I don't think that the jobs are going to go away. | ||
| I would also say that skilled physical world work, there's no shortage of what needs to be done. | ||
| Skilled physical world work will always be a bottleneck. | ||
| AI, you can think of as sort of a complement to physical world work. | ||
| And the example I like to give actually is like contractors, HVAC contractors, let's say. | ||
| Let's hear an HVAC contract or you're an HVAC technician. | ||
| 50 years ago, you might have ran your own shop. | ||
| You would have run your own shop. | ||
| You would have a, you know, you'd have a number of the telephone books. | ||
| Someone would call you. | ||
| You'd come fix something. | ||
| You've really had that model of work kind of squeezed out in a sense over the last, certainly over the last few decades as there's been this sort of push toward economies of scale, economies of scale allow you to have a sort of centralized back office billing system, customer service system, all things that sort of a solo tech doesn't necessarily like doing that much. | ||
| And so how do you get those economies of scale? | ||
| You get those economies of scale with private equity at low interest rates and able private equity to come in and sort of roll up these HVAC, you know, HVAC groups, which might have been a solo tech. | ||
| They might have been maybe five or 10 guys or whatever, but it's a small operation, now rolled up into a big private equity-owned operation. | ||
| And they can then, you know, their capability is really well suited to sort of building that back office. | ||
| Well, what AI could do is AI could come in and I think it could replace that entire back office with an algorithm. | ||
| So you don't need scale. | ||
| You don't need that sort of private equity owned. | ||
| You don't need that private equity sophistication to manage a back office team. | ||
| Now you go back to being on your own, or maybe it's you and like five other guys and you have essentially a bunch of algorithms that do everything else. | ||
| And so, and yet you can compete at the same level as those big private equity companies would offer. | ||
| So I think there's a world, and what does that mean? | ||
| It means that instead of, let's say, you getting paid a wage that's like half of what you're billing or less, maybe that software stack costs you a little bit, but you're keeping 80% of what you're billing because you are doing the fundamental, you're doing the primary function of what an HVAC shop actually does. | ||
| So in that scenario, you'll see sort of the relative income of a guy like that, a skilled worker who's doing something that can't be replaced, increase. | ||
| And you'll see the sort of relative income of people who are doing those back office administrative functions decline. | ||
| But overall, I don't think that's a drop in income. | ||
| I think it's just in many ways a sort of redistribution of it largely to the guy who's actually doing the work that matters. | ||
| But wouldn't this all be predicated on a retraction in the workforce, broadly speaking? | ||
| I mean, well, we already have a birthright that's low. | ||
| So the workforce is already retracting absent mass immigration, filling the gaps. | ||
| And I would say, you know, another example is that that can be a reorganization, right? | ||
| Like the person who, I mean, I think just in the example I gave is one example, gender dynamics, right? | ||
| The back office people would be way more likely to be women, the guys who are doing the physical worldwide, way more likely to be men. | ||
| You're much more likely to now see an arrangement where I think the women are more likely to get married, actually. | ||
| When relative incomes change, they're more likely to see the guys more attractive, more likely to get married, more likely to stay home. | ||
| They're doing work there. | ||
| They're raising kids. | ||
| That's another form of work that isn't measured in jobs, but you could have a similar household income and now it's suitable to that arrangement. | ||
| So I think there's all sorts of different configurations that aren't sort of straight reflections of job numbers that fill the gaps with work that needs to happen. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that seems to, that needs to, I feel like personally, that should be prioritized by movers and shakers because you're seeing a lot of misery right now with young people. | ||
| And I think a big contributor to that is the lack of general social formation. | ||
| Like people just aren't socializing properly anymore and they're getting stunted very early. | ||
| I mean, COVID probably had a role to play, but I'm even seeing it now with these post-COVID generations. | ||
| They're not hitting those milestones of not just marriage, but like meeting friends and these sorts of things. | ||
| And obviously there's a lot of fear that AI could make that worse. | ||
| I think people are rightfully a bit suspicious after the whole dating app. | ||
| You know, revolution has kind of nuked dating in a lot of ways. | ||
| But like what you're saying is the way that AIs could reconfigure the workforce. | ||
| I mean, this could actually be a boom, a boom for marriage formation and social formation. | ||
| I mean, I'll sort of delve into the dynamic a little bit more. | ||
| And I think this ties into sort of the dating market dynamics. | ||
| I think you'll see this decline in sort of white collar. | ||
| You'll see this decline in the sort of white collar administrative jobs. | ||
| Right now, if you have a, let's say you have a woman who is a college graduate who's an $80,000 a year sort of HR job, very common scenario. | ||
| And you have a man who's $80,000 a year in some sort of skilled trade like that. | ||
| Typically, there's stats that show that people don't want to sort of date down when it comes to education. | ||
| So even though they're making the same amount of money, she is probably not going to, she's less likely to date him because in a sense, he's seen as sort of a lower socioeconomic status. | ||
| She's paying for a lot of money, paying for a lot of debt and everything. | ||
| But that's the way the current, that's a very pernicious dynamic where a sort of a larger share of women are actually in that in that college educated category. | ||
| It's pernicious when it comes to the likelihood of actually dating in marriage. | ||
| Well, in the scenario I described, that HR job just goes away. | ||
| And the number of those people drops significantly. | ||
| A lot of those people aren't going to see a return on their college degree. | ||
| They're probably not going to go to that. | ||
| I mean, these are sort of second and third year college degrees. | ||
| They're not the ones that are sort of, they're not the ones that are necessarily going to weather the AI storm. | ||
| They're the sort that would be replaced by AI. | ||
| Meanwhile, that guy doing the trade could see his income rise significantly. | ||
| You now see a very, very different dynamic where suddenly the guy is seen as much more attractive. | ||
| He has higher relative status in society. | ||
| She doesn't have the job that would sort of lead her to not want to date him. | ||
| And so you could easily see a whole bunch of people who, for all intents and purposes, are peers, historically would have been seen as peers from a sort of dating market value. | ||
| But for this is why I talk about anomalies, right? | ||
| For a few decades, had this anomaly that sort of broke that perception of peer status, cut into marriage. | ||
| That's an anomaly that could very quickly disappear given AI and could actually restore family formation. | ||
| So I'll actually jump off on sort of one other thing you mentioned, though, that I think is interesting. | ||
| You talk about people not even going out. | ||
| AI could make this a lot worse. | ||
| Yes, there's going to be people who are sort of totally addicted to AI. | ||
| There will be algorithmic, essentially algorithmic drugs that are sort of like as addictive as heroin or whatever. | ||
| But by and large, I think there's also a scenario where AI kills the internet. | ||
| You think of this with spam already, right? | ||
| You get, I mean, you have this guy who sends 40,000 spam emails a day looking to offshore workers or whatever. | ||
| Very quickly, people just ignore literally everything they see from someone where there's no skin in the game. | ||
| The internet, as it's designed today, is full of sources where there's no skin in the game, which means that bots and spam can absolutely proliferate. | ||
| And so I think that people actually start to devalue the digital more and more. | ||
| They really look more and more for something that has some level of signal, some level of skin in the game signaling that this is worth their time. | ||
| First and foremost, that means physical proximity. | ||
| If I'm spending 30 minutes with you in person, I know you're a real person. | ||
| You're not a deep fake. | ||
| You're not a deep fake that's replicated a thousand times trying to sell me something. | ||
| It's just a meaningful, but that signal of meaning, which certainly makes sense in a commercial sense like I described, will also just, I think it'll permeate how we see the world, meaning that people will actually value physical proximity, even in friendships more. | ||
| For a while, I think they were actually happy to move a lot of their friendships online. | ||
| I think people are going to recognize that that actually feels faker in a sense. | ||
| Even when it might be real, we're just going to value the in-person. | ||
| We're going to value the proxy more. | ||
| It's why we at New Founding are actually focused on building a physical world community in Tennessee and Kentucky. | ||
| Our bet is that people will actually put a lot of effort into moving to a place where there can be a high trust community, where their local community is something that they value, that they can actually put down roots in in a world where most things feel like there's no rootedness. | ||
| So I see a possibility that these trends actually sort of erase some of the erase some of the maybe over moves toward the virtual of the last decade and move us back towards something that again is closer to historical norms where that sort of in-person proximity actually signals something meaningful that cannot be baked and cannot be replaced by digital interactions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, as far as the dating goes, if this means never having to see another one of those day-in-the-life TikToks, then like spring it on, please. | ||
| Can't do it anymore. | ||
| But with that, I mean, you're tapped in. | ||
| What parts of this new era that we're entering? | ||
| What parts are you fearful of? | ||
| What parts do you think we need to keep an eye on and have conversations around? | ||
| So as I said, I think each technology will often disrupt the anomalies of the last era, brings its own. | ||
| I would say transhumanism, obviously a threat and a new threat. | ||
| And transhumanism, now it's new and old in a way, right? | ||
| I sort of tie transhumanism back to the Tower of Babel and this idea of ultimately using technology to sort of pursue. | ||
| There's two things, right? | ||
| There's technology where man tries to use technology to make himself into a God. | ||
| And that's a conceit that will always fail. | ||
| That's Icarus. | ||
| That's Tower of Babel. | ||
| But I think that the other one is actually a different form of transhumanism. | ||
| And it relates to sort of a continuation of the woke trend. | ||
| You think of the sort of woke trend of everything about it is teaching you to be suspicious of your own judgments. | ||
| You are not worthy. | ||
| You're not worthy. | ||
| You're not worthy to rule an institution. | ||
| Your judgments are sort of, your judgments are corrupted to the point that even if you're trying to be fair, you have so many sort of systemic biases. | ||
| It's all about essentially deprecating the human, particularly deprecating you as a white male as someone who has who can act as a human agent in a meaningful way. | ||
| And what is the alternative? | ||
| Ultimately, the best alternative to that is going to be presented as turning yourself over, turning the decision over to AI. | ||
| What is fairer than just abdicating and giving the decision to a totally neutral algorithm? | ||
| And so I think that the biggest call of AI will be to essentially abdicate decision-making in favor of AI. | ||
| I think the optimistic view of technology is technology gives us a lot of leverage. | ||
| The algorithms give us leverage. | ||
| You are the executive and you are ruling technology, as has been the case since the very beginning, right? | ||
| You pick up a hammer and you use a hammer and the hammer does exactly what you want it to do. | ||
| It's a very, very powerful piece of leverage, massively increases your productivity, and it does everything you want. | ||
| You get in a car. | ||
| To a large extent, the car does what you want it to do. | ||
| Now, driverless cars could go either way, right? | ||
| I mean, it could be something where you maintain total control and it's just another source of leverage. | ||
| I think it's fundamentally different from going into ChatGPT and asking ChatGPT, should I break up with my girlfriend? | ||
| What should I do in the situation? | ||
| I mean, that's like people are going to do that. | ||
| People are going to feel a temptation to that decision-making, that act of agency of executive agency is hard. | ||
| It's often one of the hardest things you do throughout the day. | ||
| Even if it's a small share of time, it's incredibly mentally burdensome. | ||
| I mean, look at TikTok, right? | ||
| You referenced TikTok. | ||
| TikTok itself and feeds in general are designed to reduce your need for any agency in terms of what you see next. | ||
| The algorithm just automatically feeds you something. | ||
| That's abdication. | ||
| And there's going to be a pull for more and more important decisions to be turned over to similar algorithms that are optimized or fair or are really just available, you know, really just sort of a temptation to laziness. | ||
| We need to resist that. | ||
| If we give in to that, we essentially can lose our culture. | ||
| We can lose our humanity. | ||
| We can lose our agency. | ||
| It's not that I believe that superhuman AI is going, we're not going to have this sort of AGI that actually becomes superhuman and is able to exercise agency in a way that both intelligence and agency in a way that exceeds you. | ||
| I think that that's a category error. | ||
| These are predictive algorithms. | ||
| Predictive algorithms don't have agency. | ||
| But if you delegate your agency to the algorithm and sort of walk away from that, sure, it'll absolutely be able to start filling in the gaps there and may do so in a way that allows us that we sort of quickly lose control of many things that, you know, I would think of it at a high level as sort of self-government. | ||
| Self-government requires a high level of agency. | ||
| It's not the easiest option. | ||
| It's almost always the easiest option to just hand over government to someone else and enjoy consumer comfort. | ||
| Self-government requires responsibility, requires uncomfortable decisions. | ||
| And the siren song of AI is going to be giving that up for comfort. | ||
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| I mean, that seems to be my biggest fear. | ||
| Like, I'm kind of with you. | ||
| I don't think we'll ever have this superhuman, you know, like dystopia, robocop, whatever. | ||
| But that is a fear of mine. | ||
| I was sharing before we hopped on the call. | ||
| Cracker Barrel, this like great American institution, they've totally gutted the place and they've just turned it into like a Brooklyn, you know, coffeehouse. | ||
| It's very depressing. | ||
| And that kind of fits on you mentioned earlier with the Lindy effect is kind of this same idea that he kind of coined was the refinement culture, the idea of refinement culture. | ||
| And that's something that I feel like AI is going to strap a booster rocket to and completely homogenize any consumer trend whatsoever because it's going to be reduced down to an algorithm, like you said. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of my biggest fear is that we're all just going to be reduced to the same. | ||
| We're already heading that way in a lot of ways, but I don't know. | ||
| I mean, is there potential that AI could actually help? | ||
| I don't know a good way to word this, but help kind of foster organic subcultures or sub-niche interests, these sorts of things. | ||
| Is there an avenue for that? | ||
| Well, I think it can decentralize, right? | ||
| I think that it certainly is capable of decentralizing power. | ||
| I actually think that in many ways, the sort of greatest alpha for AI will go to users. | ||
| So as I said, it's a lever for executive agency. | ||
| In theory, it's a lever for that executive agency. | ||
| It means that if you are, let's say you're the owner of a restaurant designing that restaurant, you now have more and more power to compete with the back office of Cracker Barrel. | ||
| So maybe you don't need to be a national chain like Cracker Barrel. | ||
| You have fewer disadvantages as a solo shop, which means that you could use it. | ||
| And you're the executive. | ||
| You could prompt it in a way to actually give you very powerful design services to design something. | ||
| Not that defers to the algorithm. | ||
| You don't ask the algorithm. | ||
| How should I define? | ||
| How should I design a restaurant? | ||
| What color should the tables be? | ||
| But it's more like you have your creative vision. | ||
| It can fill in necessary best practices for a restaurant, but it can also fill in your take. | ||
| It can help you just get the agency to fill in your tastes and apply them in all sorts of different ways. | ||
| It also, I think, could mean that people, you could see a world where people crave the authenticity that comes from a sort of one-of-a-kind thing. | ||
| Again, that's a symbol of sort of skin in the game. | ||
| That's a symbol of something different from the sort of endless spam that they receive. | ||
| And even like totally personalized, right? | ||
| Personalized spam, spam that just looks like it's perfectly personalized to you, actually has no information value because it's just based on your data profile. | ||
| Something that is the creative expression of what a particular person, a particular entrepreneur or individual created is something that's actually going to stand out to you as something that clearly is different from everything you received in your inbox at sort of zero value. | ||
| So I think largely it comes down to the choice, right? | ||
| If you have people who, as a result of this, increasingly crave and pay for the individualized, for the distinct, for the custom, for the craft, you'll see that. | ||
| And the tools will be there for individuals and entrepreneurs to actually build things that are distinct and that are particular expressions of their human creative agency. | ||
| On the other hand, you also have TikTok style algorithms that will be constantly constantly offering an alternative. | ||
| You know, plenty of people who are content to sort of retreat into those and just mindlessly scroll and essentially surrender their humanity to those algorithms. | ||
| So two very different forks we could go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Nate, I appreciate the insights. | ||
| It's obviously a huge topic. | ||
| It's hard to really condense down to 30 minutes, but that was excellent. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| Is there anything you want to plug, shout out, or I think where people can find you at? | ||
| I mean, this is a topic I've been exploring. | ||
| I'll be exploring more. | ||
| Really, these sort of intersections are at the core of how we think about the future, how we think about what's worth betting on. | ||
| Best place to find me is on X at Nate A. Fisher. | ||
| Post under my name. | ||
| Our company, New Founding, does a lot of posting on these topics, but I'll explore this and then a wide range of political and political and business as well. | ||
| So certainly the hub of, I think, a lot of the most interesting discussions in this space. | ||
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| That's awesome. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| I'm glad we got the chat. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yeah, we'll see you around. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Thanks, sir. | ||
| All righty. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| He is incredibly high IQ, high IQ patriot. | ||
| There's, yeah, there's so much discourse around the AI stuff. | ||
| It's really interesting to hear an alternate perspective. | ||
| And I'm actually kind of relieved to hear that there is a, if we handle it correctly, we could return to these older civilizational norms, especially when it comes to dating. | ||
| Like there has to be an off-ramp. | ||
| It actually is kind of interesting that the discussion I was leading into, I didn't even know, I didn't even for me to line up perfectly like that. | ||
| Just kind of talking about the declining, the lack of us achieving these milestones as young people, that actually we could, there could be a way out and it could be AI. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're spitballing here, but I want to see if there's any rumble rants. | ||
| Did you see any rumble rants? | ||
| No rumble rants. | ||
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| Hey, Tate, there's a, I don't know if it's a thumbs up or a middle finger. | ||
| It's kind of hard to decide. | ||
| That was high IQ. | ||
| No, that wasn't me. | ||
| Nate was the high IQ Patriot. | ||
| Yeah, I don't see any Rumble Rants. | ||
| But yeah, I wanted to appreciate it. | ||
| I thank you guys for hanging out. | ||
| I think we're going to raid Russell Brand. | ||
| Andrew, do you, is it Russell Brand up next? | ||
| I think it's, I think it's Russell Brand. | ||
| It's so hard to tell. | ||
| But yeah, I really appreciate you guys hanging out. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's stressful getting this sort of getting the show built. | ||
| But it makes you appreciate Tim's job a lot more because It's pretty tricky. | ||
| So, appreciate you guys hanging out. | ||
| We're going to get you sent over to Russell Brand here. | ||
| You can find me on X and Instagram at Realtate Brown. | ||
| We can hang out there. | ||
| Let me know what you have. | ||
| If you have any hot takes on AI, let me know. | ||
| We'll be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m. | ||
| I think it's going to be another fill cast tonight. | ||
| So, we'll see. | ||
| See you there. | ||
| So, thank you. |
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