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tate brown
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From NBC News, Texas Democrats decamped to Illinois to deny Republicans a quorum on redistricting.
There's a lot of scrabble words in that title title.
Let's see what NBC's got.
Showdown over redistricting in Texas played out here on Sunday as dozens of state Democrats took refuge roughly a thousand miles away from home, saying that they had fled to Texas to deny a quorum to Republican efforts to add as many as five congressional seats to the map.
It culminated with Texas governor, a Republican, threatening to expel the Democrats from why is it?
It looks like a legend when I scroll.
Anyway, threatening to expel the Democrats from the Texas State House and potentially extradite them, saying they may be felons.
The Texas State House Democrats filed off of buses and Ubers into a crammed county party headquarters at a strip mall Sunday night.
night standing alongside Illinois Governor JB Pritzker to rail against what they charged was a racist, unfair and undemocratic attempt to overhaul the Lone Star State's political map.
That's quite a drinking game.
You would probably develop alcohol poisoning pretty quickly if you read a mainstream outlet article covering Democrats and the word undemocratic was used, but neither here nor there.
Texas House Democrats chair caucus chair Gene Wu said that he believed about 57 Democrats had left the state with the bulk staying in Illinois for the at least the immediate future.
Other House Democrats were in Boston and Albany, New York.
So if you haven't been keeping up with the redistricting battle, Greg Abbott is trying to clawback a few seats for the Republicans in Texas or look at like four or five maybe up for grabs.
So redrawing the map, this is something that happens quite often, redrawing the map, allocating districts or moving the borders around.
It's a really, really important thing because this is what makes or breaks the house.
And so Greg Abbott, he's, he's, you know, drawing this new map or he's building, you know, a team together to draw this new map and it is going to be more favorable to the Republicans.
Like we're going on the offense.
We're trying to, we're trying to clawback some clawback some seats here.
And obviously the Democrats are not happy about this.
And the reason that this is this showdown is happening in Texas, because this happens in plenty of states, but the reason Texas is having this specifically is their quorum, which is the amount of representatives that need to be present in order for a bill to be passed.
Most states, it's like half, but in Texas, two-thirds of the House need to be present for a vote, for the vote to take place.
So that's why Texas, because if you remember about 3, was it?
It was July 2021.
There was a similar thing where Greg Abbott was trying to tighten up voting, you know, rules around voting, like with the voter, the mail in, mail in ballots and voter IDs and that sort of thing.
And the Democrats threw a hissy fit over that and they left the state.
They all they all went to like DC and camped out there and had a great time.
So on the taxpayer dollar, presumably.
So Texas actually does have a propensity to to for this to for this to occur.
So we're singing again here.
Some of these quotes are hilarious.
Governor Abbott is doing this in submission to Donald Trump so that Donald Trump can steal these communities power and voice.
We will not be complicit in the destruction of our own communities.
We are not here to play political games.
We're here to demand an end to this corrupt process.
So we'll get into why this is so funny that this is the line that they're using, that they're playing political games, corruption.
First, let's read Greg Abbott's statement.
So Greg Abbott released a statement this morning.
It's a huge statement, but he's railing on these Democrats that have left the state and they're trying to gum up.
They're basically gaming the system.
Because the point of the quorum, as Greg Abbott gets into right here.
The trendy ends now.
House must return to Texas.
He basically goes on to explain where is it?
Here we go.
Oh, yeah, sorry.
These absences are not merely unintended and unavoidable interruptions in public service like a sudden illness or a family emergency.
Instead, these absences were premeditated for an illegitimate purpose.
What one representative called breaking quorum.
So the purpose of, you know, being absent obviously would be like if you're sick at a death in the family, like have a pretty good reason.
The purpose isn't if you're an elected official isn't to, you don't get your way.
You're not happy about legislation is getting passed.
So you cheat the system to gum up the.
way things go.
So yeah, Greg Abbott totally has the right to go hard on him.
And this last line down here is really because the Texas attorney, let's see, Attorney General considered whether Texas law allows for determination that a legislator has vacated office or if they intentionally broke quorum.
So he's tired of playing around.
2021, they had this situation and it delayed this bill by like two months.
Eventually, of course, the Republicans were able to pass it.
So it was just a big show for nothing.
This time, they want to nip this in the bud quite quickly.
So they're determining whether or not derelict House members can just be considered vacant, maybe they just vacated their seat.
But this last line is really what everyone's talking about.
So in addition to abandoning their offices, these legislators may have also committed felonies.
Many absentee Democrats are soliciting funds to evade the fines they will incur under House rules.
Any Democrat who solicits, accepts, or agrees to accept such funds to assist in the violation of legislative duties or for any purpose of skipping a vote may have violated bribery laws.
He shows the penal code there.
Uh, the same could be true for any other person who offers, confers or agrees to confer such funds to fleeing Democrat House members.
I will use my full extradition, uh, extradition, extradition, uh, authority to demand the return to Texas of any potential out of state felons.
So here's the hammer.
Greg Abbott is dropping the hammer.
This is a beautiful thing.
This is how you do it.
You don't let them play these games.
You don't let them dance around.
Get their sound bites.
You drag them back or you kick them out or you arrest them.
And this is a beautiful thing for the longest time.
Uh, the Republicans would have just rolled over.
They would have conceded.
They would have said, okay, well maybe we can we can tone it down on this on this legislation a little bit.
Greg Abbott saying no, just stop acting like children.
And if you continue to do this, we will determine how you're funding this little field trip of yours.
Of course, the Democrats in the House in Texas are all feeder kids for the most part.
So they're they have these dramatic videos.
James Tallerico, who This dude is a he's a trip.
He does this whole thing.
He does this routine where he talks about how as a Christian you should be like supporting abortion and gay marriage and these sorts of things.
So he's already a pretty interesting guy, but let's see what he has to say.
He's a, he's a Texas state representative.
Let's hear him explain why they're all on the run and they don't want to deal with this.
james talarico
This is state representative James Tallerico from Texas.
If you're seeing this video, my Democratic colleagues and I have just left our beloved state to break quorum and stop Trump's redistricting power grab.
Trump told our Republican colleagues to redraw the political maps here in Texas in the middle of the decade to get him five more seats and protect his majority in Congress.
They're turning our districts into crazy shapes to guarantee the outcome they want in the twenty twenty six elections.
If this power grab succeeds, they will hang on to power without any accountability from the voters.
But Texas Democrats are fighting back.
We're leaving the state, breaking quorum and preventing Republicans from silencing our voices and rigging the next election.
We are not fighting for the Democratic Party.
We are fighting for the Democratic process, and the stakes could not be higher.
tate brown
So in case you missed it, they actually are fighting for the Democratic Party.
They flee to Illinois.
Out of all the states, if you're really mad about gerrymandering, if you're trying to make this your point, the last state in the United States you would flee to would be Illinois.
Look at these districts.
What is going on?
I mean, it's like it's like a bowl of spaghetti.
Illinois is like the the poster child.
Even the most blue of Democrats like kind of tug at their collar when they when the gerrymanering conversation comes up with Illinois because it is so egregious.
This was the last house house elections.
It was a fairly close.
The popular vote was fairly close.
2.8 million to 2.5 million six point spread.
Democrats going 14 seats out of the 17 seats.
So if that doesn't tell you.
how big how much the Democrats have decimated the state of Illinois just to pry these seats off of them.
I don't know what will.
So it's so funny that this is the state that they've decided to flee to.
This is like what Tallerico said, no, they're fighting for the Democratic Party.
This is a partisan game.
That's why he's invoking Trump so much because he's trying to rally the troops.
He's trying to make it sound like, you know, Trump is the one doing this, which is hilarious because this is what every governor, every Republican governor in America should be doing because of stuff like this.
We didn't., I mean, I think it would be nice, maybe, if we all had these, you know, nonpartisan election committees to decide the redistricting, but that's just not the world we live in.
We're in a cold, cold war right now and cold civil war, I would say, and the redistricting process is the ultimate example of this is, yeah, when you when it comes to Illinois, principles go out the window.
It's all about how many seats we can, can we squeeze out of the state?
Because, I mean, Illinois, you go to Illinois and it's really just Chicago that's it that's really sunk the state and the rest of the state.
You can see here it's a close.
If you think Illinois, you think maybe it's a deep blue state.
It's really not.
Six point spread.
You can see right here.
And then they only get three Republican seats out of that.
I mean, that's just absolutely absurd.
We had Jasmine Crockett.
Everyone loves her.
Her seats are probably on the line.
Her seats are probably on the line.
She's probably cooked.
She was in the state house just going crazy, having a temper tantrum.
I'll show you the video.
Apologies in advance, but you got to see it.
It's pretty funny.
unidentified
I don't think it was an accident that Donald Trump picked up the phone, called down to Texas, told Abbott what he was going to do and like a small.
A small, ridiculous child who just fell in order.
I don't think any of that was an accident.
But what I can tell you is that we will not be an accident.
We, the people of Texas, will be very intentional about making sure that they hear us, about making sure that we call them out for what they're doing.
This is racist.
What they are doing.
Let me hear you.
Let me come up with policies that will help a lot.
tate brown
So I think that's going to be the Democrat slogan for this battle is we are not an accident and they are racist.
It's a really convincing message.
The Trump Vance agenda obviously providinging a vision for the future possibilities, what America could be capable of.
But the Democrats, you don't want to sleep on their marketing here.
This is actually really excellent.
We are not an accident, Jasmine Crockett, 2028.
Yeah, she's powerless.
There's nothing they can do.
They were used to under the Biden era and by extension the Obama era, where they basically had free reign to do what they want.
There was a rubber stamp.
They could just claw as much power away from Republicans as they possibly could using whatever mechanism they wanted to.
So this Trump, the Trump era is very shocking to them that they can't just stand around with signs and scream and not get their way.
Yeah, there's nothing you can do about it.
Jasmine Crockett, we're coming for your seat.
Sorry about it.
It is what it is.
It's going to get even worse.
So Texas is worse for Democrats.
Texas is just the beginning.
The Supreme Court is considering a ban on race-based voting districts.
So in the 65 voting act, there was a well, I'll let Bloomberg explain this.
This is from Bloomberg.
The United States Supreme Court indicated that it would consider outlawing the use of race and drawing voting maps setting up a blockbuster showdown with implications for dozen of congressional districts with predominantly minority populations.
Expanding a Louisiana case already on their docket, the justices on Friday said they will consider arguments that the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act no longer provides legitimate basis for map drawers to intentionally create majority black, majority Hispanic districts.
The clash could also upend state and local legislative districts, giving it the potential to have a seismic impact on elections at every level of the U. S. system.
The U. S. House had eleven majority black and thirty one majority Hispanic districts for the twenty twenty two election according to Bloomberg News analysis of the most recent American community survey data.
Yeah, it comes at a time.
Texas Republicans are pushing to redraw their lines in an unusual mid-decade redistricting.
Yeah, it's so bizarre.
Oh, yeah.
Democrats in California and New York have already said they will reopen their districts in response.
Yeah, so, so yeah, so.
uh, This should just not be a function of let's see if I can get the frame better here.
There we go.
Should not be a function of politics.
not be having uh districts allocated towards races that's just a terrible idea that's just going to create more division um what does everyone get in a district now right i mean you know if you like uh if you're you know if you're a vegetarian are we going to have like vegetarian districts i mean where do you draw the line here like uh swagged out white boys do we get our own district i mean that'd be pretty sick i think but uh probably not a good idea it's probably not
healthy for the future of the country.
with this precedent maybe it provides that we'll see but needs to go and when it goes states like alabama uh Louisiana obviously these, these states where they have these race based districts, this will be abolished and we will move towards the post racial society that was promised to us.
And this is a major roadblock in the way, obviously.
Not every Republican wants to win, unfortunately.
This seems to be the case.
I thought we learned our lesson in twenty sixteen that loser Republicans are no longer in control.
But some Republicans still want to lose.
Congressman Kevin Kiley, Keeley, however you say it, a Republican from California, this is from Eric Daughtery, by the way, is filing legislation to ban mid decade redistricting nationwide.
All 50 states would be banned from drawing a new congressional map before the 2030 census.
He wants to stop a damaging redistrict war.
So this is what we call an example of someone that doesn't know what time it is.
I don't think he realizes that we're not in the 1980s anymore.
This isn't like a battle of principles or a battle of ideas.
We're in a battle of two factions in America that have wildly different visions for what America is.
And people are bots into those visions with all their heart and soul.
So obviously redistricting is going to be a major part of that.
You want your side to win.
You view the other side winning as the end of your country as you know it.
Kevin Kiley seems to think that this is we're still like, oh, we're just a few tweaks away from fixing it.
We just need to be more sensible and moderate.
If you ask me his real motivation, if you see here he's a Republican from California, it's because of this.
Gavin Newsom, this is from the Guardian.
Gavin Newsom made call special elections to redraw California congressional maps.
So he's obviously using this Texas situation as a precedent or a way to justify.
There's a word out there I'm looking for.
I don't have it.
A way to justify totally carving up California.
California's already pretty bad, but he wants to be use this Texas thing as an excuse to, you know, go crazy.
Governor of California, Gavin Newsom may call a special election in November to begin the process of redrawing the state's congressional maps in response to Texas' plans to change its own maps to help Republicans keep the majority in the House of Representatives.
Trump is pushing Texas.
California is viewed as the best opportunity for Democrats to pick up seats through gerrymandering, but voters will first have to approve changes to an independent redistricting commission that was given the power to draw congressional districts in twenty ten.
Speaking at a Thursday press conference, Newsom said a special election would be called likely in the first week of November to approve the changes.
So if you don't know, California has, and a few other states have this.
They have an independent commission that draws the maps for them.
These are approved by the voters, and this allows, in theory, for every voter in the state to have proper representation.
This was actually, I think, a policy of Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2010, by the end of 2010, to have like an independent commission to prevent gerrymandering.
Of course, Gavin Newsom, he said, yeah, we're just going to to hold a special election to completely sidestep that, because yeah, we don't need independent.
It's principles.
On the one hand, they'll argue about how we need to uphold our democracy and how, like, Trump's attacking everything about America that's good or whatever.
And on the other hand, they're like, yeah, we're going to completely throw out this well-liked bipartisan commission so we can get revenge on a state halfway across the country.
Here's just a look at what California's map looks like right now.
It's not as bad as Illinois.
It's still pretty bad.
It's a 60-40 state.
But the Republicans only got twelve of the 52 seats in the last election.
You don't see the huge spaghetti lines like you do in Illinois until you look down here in LA.
Well, let's see if it'll let me zoom in.
I don't think so, but you can kind of see from here.
If you look down into LA and Southern California, that's where you start to see, you know, they get a little creative with their districts there.
Of course, Gavin Newsom believes that he'll be able to basically just squeeze out the rest of these Republicans.
I've seen a few proposals of how they can get it done.
All that means is Republicans got to keep their foot on the gas.
You need to ignore people like Kevin here who want everyone just to calm down, relax, guys, hey, what are we doing here?
We're better than this.
We're principled.
This is damaging.
You know, the reality is he's a representative, I think, of one of these two districts.
He's in Northern California.
He just, he doesn't want Texas to win because it's going to cost him his job.
It's a very self-serving cause he's taken here.
So, we got to get rid of this mentality, guys.
We got to drop this charade, this principles, this the mu principles, I think is the term that's been given to it because if you keep tracking this., I think John Doyle made this point is we'll all have our backs against the walls, guns pointing at the back of our heads, and we'll turn to each other and say, geez, could you imagine if we did this to them?
Can you imagine the freak out?
That's the situation we're in.
We're trying to save this country.
We're trying to win this country back.
We don't have time to do this principled thing where we're just going to we're going to win them over with principles.
It's like you gotta play you gotta play the game.
Trump realizes this Trump understands better than anyone you gotta play the game and that's why he has such loyalty in the GOP because we're tired of sticking to our principles and getting our teeth kicked in and so Trump Trump knows what time it is.
Yeah, it's hard to get out.
There's a lot of T's in there.
I wanted to sort of shift gears, really talk about Trump's sort of mentality a little bit more.
This is from The Guardian.
Trump administration denies daily quota for immigration arrests.
So let's see, in a new court filing, attorneys for the Trump administration denied the existence of a daily quota for immigration arrests despite reports and prior statements from White House officials about pursuing a goal of at least three thousand deportations or deportation arrests per day.
In May, reports from both The Guardian and Axios revealed that during a meeting with ICE leaders on the 21st, that's the British they do do this deal right here.
What's going on?
I'm so glad we're independent.
May 21st, the White House advisor Stephen Miller and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirsty Noam demanded that immigration agents seek to arrest 3,000 people per day.
Following that report, Miller appeared on Fox News in late May and stated that under President Trump's leadership, we are looking to set a goal of a minimum of 3,000 arrests for ICE every day.
He added that Trump is going to keep pushing to get that number up higher each and every day.
However, in a court filing on Friday, lawyers representing the U.S. Justice Department said that the Department of Homeland Security had confirmed that neither ICE leadership nor its field offices have been directed to meet any numerical quota or targets for arrests, detentions, removals, field encounters, or any other operational activities that ICE or its components undertake in the course of enforcing federal immigration law.
So there's been a lot of freaking out on the left about these ICE raids.
I just want to walk through.
So 3,000, this is, they're denying there's a quota.
That's neither here nor there.
This is the really interesting thing is this is the number of arrests that we're seeking in the MAGA movement.
3,000 arrests per day times 365.
That's 1 million about what was it 1.0?
So let's just say 1 million.
You know, you miss a few days.
1 million times four over four years.
So 4.3 million deportations over the Trump era.
You're seeing all this pushback, all this freak out from the left, and they're citing this 3,000 per day like it's this barbarically high number.
That's going estimates of illegal immigrants in the country like upwards of 30, 40 million.
So this is a very, very small, very small dent.
So if this truly is, if there's not even a quota here, if this is just...
And The Guardian's kind of reporting this like it's scandalous.
Trump claimed here at the bottom here, Trump claimed that he would target between 15 and 20 million people who are undocumented in the U.S. for deportation.
As of 2022, there's 11 million undocumented living in the U.S. That's like the safestest estimate.
If you go to Costco, you know it's much higher.
I mean, come on, go to Costco, look around.
It's much higher than 11 million.
So yeah, three thousand.
It actually would need to get a lot higher than that.
Luckily, the DOJ or the DOD, sorry, is on the case.
Leaked memo from Hegsett's brother calls for US Army to help with deportations nationwide for years to come.
This is from the Independent.
A leaked memo from the Department of Homeland Security suggests that the Trump administration is considering using the US military to boost its ongoing mass deportation agenda while acknowledging that the deployment of troops in LA earlier this year wasn't perfect according to a new.
The memo was allegedly written by DHS senior advisor Phil Hegseth, the brother of Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.
The New Republic published the text on Saturday.
President Donald Trump has already used the US military personnel in his aggressive deportation campaign in June.
Trump nationalized approximately five thousand National Guard members and sent them to LA to push back against protesters demonstrating against ICE raids in their neighborhoods.
In addition to the National Guard members, Trump also sent seven hundred Marines to stomp out the violent insurrectionist mob.
Most of the military members sent to LA have since pulled out of the city.
So what they're talking about here, obviously you remember this wasn't that long ago during the ICE protests in LA.
is the National Guard and the Marines were sent there primarily to defend the federal building because these rioters are totally out of control.
What's being proposed here is using the military to boost the agenda.
What does that look like in principle?
I actually looked through a few stories.
It doesn't look like that was disclosed of how this would look in practice.
But as we saw earlier, If the loose quota is 3,000 arrests per day, that gets us to 4.3 million.
Now that we got this ICE funding or Homeland Security funding through the big beautiful bill, we have a war chest to play with along.
Along with that, we have DHS considering using the military for deportations.
We do actually have potential to hit that 11 million undocumented immigrants number.
We actually do have a chance of winning the country back and achieving that agenda.
I think it's a beautiful thing.
I think this is fantastic.
I'm glad that this is being considered.
I'm glad this is being talked about because I do think that's what we need.
I don't think people realize how angry Americans are about legal immigration.
I don't think people realize the feeling of having your country stolen from you under your nose.
That's the feeling that a lot of Americans have.
So when they run these stories that they're considering using the military, I think most of these people in these writing rooms are probably pretty scandalized by that.
But the majority of Americans are sitting there like, yeah, that's a good idea.
Yeah, that probably would help us achieve that number a lot quicker.
So, yeah, fingers crossed.
I think they're cooking.
They're cooking something up over at the Troncrum.
Trump admin I can't wait to see these we're seeing a lot of hiring at a lot of ad placements for hiring more ICE agents the compensation package is pretty competitiveive.
So I do think those deportation numbers, we hopefully will exceed three thousand.
Stephen Miller is on the case.
That man is a legend.
And he's not going to rest until every illegal immigrant is out of the United States.
So God bless Stephen Miller.
Well, I want to wrap up this news segment, this first half hour of the show.
We're going to get into the second half of the show here with an interview.
So thanks for watching.
And here we are.
This is for the second half.
We're going to interview.
We got a big interview coming up.
We're going to talk to Tony Ortiz of Current Revolt.
He's a Texan.
He knows Texas like the back of his hand.
We're going to talk to him about this whole Greg Abbott situation.
He's going to break it down for you.
He's going to give us the inside baseball.
Really exciting stuff.
So let me just preview this story for you real quick.
This is from the post millennial.
I know we discussed it earlier on the show, but you got to hear it again to really understand the magnitude of the situation we're dealing with.
So this is from the post millennial.
Greg Abbott threatens to remove Dem lawmakers from office if they don't show up for the redistricting vote.
A standoff is intensifying in Texas after more than fifty Democratic state lawmakers flood the state to block a vote on a redistricting proposal.
Republican governor Greg Abbott warned late Sunday that he would pursue legal action to remove the lawmakers from office if they fail to return to Austin by Monday, august fourth, twenty twenty five to vote on the proposal.
Abbott's pressure follows a walkout by Democrats seeking to deny the Texas House a quorum, the minimum number of legislators required to conduct business.
By leaving the state, Democrats effectively froze all legislative activity during a special session set to expire later this month.
Their primary objective was to halt a GOP drawn congressional map that could secure five additional US House seats for Republicans in the twenty twenty six midterms.
We obviously have the statement here from Greg Abbott.
At the end here, he discusses in addition to abandoning their their offices, these legislators may have also committed felonies.
Many absent Democrats are soliciting funds to avoid the fines that they will incur under house rules.
So Greg Abbott's going in.
He's not playing around.
We need to talk to Tony.
We need to figure the situation out.
So I got producer Andrew here.
He's going to get Tony wrapped, you know, roped in here.
We're going to discuss this.
I think it's relieving to see some Republicans with backbone.
Greg Abbott, he's not playing around.
So it's a fantastic thing.
So hey Tony, can you hear me?
tony ortiz
Yes, I can.
tate brown
Hey dude, what's up?
How's it going?
tony ortiz
Doing well, how are you?
tate brown
I'm doing well, man.
Yeah, so we're covering this Greg Abbott situation.
This is huge, right?
He wants to prosecute these Democrats.
He wants to nip this in the butt as quickly as possible.
I was referencing that they actually had a similar situation in 2021.
So perhaps there was lessons learned.
I know there was legislation passed as well to prevent something like this from happening.
But what are you seeing?
I mean, are you thinking it's likely that Abbott does actually pursue charges against these Democrats?
tony ortiz
Yeah, whether he pursues charges or not kind of doesn't matter.
It's what whether or not that actually he has grounds to like legal grounds to, right?
You know, Abbott's upset because of and justifiably so because Democrats have taken off.
They're doing a quorum bust, right?
And this is the third time they've done that.
They did this in, I believe, 2003 when we did redistricting then.
They took off.
It failed.
We passed redistricting anyway.
I believe in 2020, they did it again.
Sorry, 2021, they did it again when Texas was trying to pass stricter voter ID requirements.
Democrats, of course, called that racist because they believe minorities can't get driver's licenses for some reason.
And they took off again.
And then that didn't work.
We passed it anyway.
So now here we are in 2025 and they're doing it again for redistricting.
And it's likely going to pass anyway.
We've got laws in place that fine the representatives $500 per day.
And if I'm, if I recall correctly, I don't think they can even use their campaign accounts.
I think it has to come from their personal funds.
And so, you know, Abbott, Governor Abbott has now stated that, you know, that he's going to consider their seats vacant.
And I think a lot of the the.
So I don't see anything happening to them from as far as them losing their seats, but they definitely are likely to pay some fines.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, so what is your relationship with Texas, obviously, for the viewers that maybe don't know you, you know, who are you and kind of what's your calling card?
tony ortiz
Yeah, so I run currentrevolt.com.
We are a Texas-based online newsletter.
We cover just Texas politics.
broken several big scandals that have made nationwide news quite a few times, even just recently.
So we're kind of like a national inquirer or TMZ of Texas politics covering like cheating affairs and other types of those similar type scandals across Texas and the politicians.
tate brown
Yeah, I love that.
So we're seeing some of this language from these Texas reps and they're saying Trump's applying pressure.
Trump's the one applying pressure.
Is this something that, you know, Abbott's been thinking about doing for a while?
Or is there some truth to that, that Trump's really the one putting the pressure on the on Abbott?
tony ortiz
There's probably some truth behind that, right?
Abbott's the, you know, Abbott and especially the attendant governor Dan Patrick are very close with Trump, Patrick especially, and they want to be in his favor, right?
Maybe they're going for some cabinet positions.
You know, Abbott has long been rumored as wanting to run for president one day.
He's been governor for quite a long time.
And so it doesn't surprise me that they're just gearing up to kind of secure the elections going forward.
Democrats do this all the time.
It's kind of ironic that the Democrat reps in Texas have taken off to two different states.
Some went to Illinois and some went to New York, which are some of the most gerrymandering districts in the United States.
So it's kind of ironic that they're upset about gerrymandering, but they're literally going to the Democrat states that are the worst for it.
And so Democrats have – and I think you know this – Democrats have done a really good job of when they get power, they execute on that power.
They do things.
They pass laws.
They bring down their – their democrat hammer on stuff that that they want right and republicans traditionally they win and then they don't do anything they just kind of sit around and now we're seeing kind of a change in policy where Republicans in Texas have won and now we're flexing our power to get better districts.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
We saw there was a rep in California who was like doing the whole of the principals routine where he was like, oh, we don't want to start a redistricting war.
That would be really mean.
And it's like the most Republican thing ever that we're actually finally starting to use and use our power and flex it.
And then these like hall monitors come along, these self-appointed HR managers come along and say, guys, guys, hey, wait, wait a second.
Because, I mean.
What's going to happen is that guy's going to lose his seat if Abbott pushes forward because in California, they're going to redistrict and try and wipe out whatever Republican seats they haven't gerrymandered away yet.
tony ortiz
Yeah, the funny thing about California, they're attempting or they're threatening to redistrict.
But what's interesting about California is they have a California's rules or elections for redistricting are based off an independent group and an independent redistricting system.
And so in order for, Gavin Newsom has threatened to redistrict California.
In order for him to do that and execute on that, not only will it require, it'll actually, it's going to require a special election that requires voter approval to modify the independent redistricting system.
So he's going to have to call an election.
People are going to have to vote for it and modify their existing rules.
And it's looking at their people are estimating it's going to cost over 200 million dollars just to do it.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm kind of curious with the special election that's coming up.
I think they they eyed September possibly for the election.
I'd be curious how radical Democrats in California are, if there actually is potential or if there's potential for pushback on this.
Maybe they do want to keep their commission.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
it's going to be a test of Gavin Newsom's effectiveness to be Democrat leaders if he if he can really um stir up a good narrative for democrats in California as to why they should you know get rid of this um i don't know it's it's it's it's quite fascinating uh like i kind of touched on earlier to see this mentality from Republicans to get really nervous when we start winning a little too much.
We're seeing this with that rep. Trump's the one that's obviously led the charge of wiping those people out from the GOP.
What is it about Texas?
It seems like Texas does produce quite a good number of effective politicians.
What do you think it is about Texas that does?
Because you see this thing with these deep red states like South Carolina.
They actually produce pretty horrible Republicans because I think they know it's such a safe seat that it doesn't really fire up people.
So they don't feel the need to run.
And then you see these like swing districts.
They were like, you know, Republicans lose half the time and they produce these like rockstar candidates.
What is it about Texas though?
It does feel like there is a higher density of solid Republicans that come out of Texas.
tony ortiz
Yeah, I think from the outside looking in, it does appear that way, right?
As someone who covers it day to day and literally the only thing we cover is Texas, there's a lot more nuance to it.
And obviously there's a lot more nitpicking that we can do, right?
Texas, for example, has only been Republican, I think, for like 30 or 40 years.
It used to be a Democrat state.
And as far as like things that we've gotten past, I mean, it was just, I think, two sessions ago that we got constitutional carry for handguns and for not or whatnot.
So like we're not as conservatives as we should be, right?
We're definitely better than most, but not as good as we should be.
You know, grassroots activists in Texas would cite that we have a lot of rhinos, right?
And that does seem to be a problem that we have a lot of like very soft, squishy Republicans.
But as you mentioned, Trump's kind of been at the top charging and leading the narrative to kind of.
kind of bully and lead the charge on Republicans and conservatives being a little more active with what they're doing rather than sitting back and letting Democrats walk all over them.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, multiple people have said that Texas and it's true that Texas it really is kind of the linchpin of this MAGA movement because I mean the amount of electoral seats that are at stake.
Obviously there's a lot of concern from Texans of the state going blue with out of state migration.
I've pointed out previously that there is exit polling, for example the Cruz versus Baydo Senate race where it actually looked like out of state voters voted Republican and native Texans voted Democrat.
I don't know, have you, have you noticed some of these trends?
Have these, maybe these trends have changed since then?
I mean, what do you suspect would be the future of Texas?
tony ortiz
Yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that because so very few people know that polling.
It's it's one hundred percent true.
It's it we found that like native Texans vote Democrat more than out of state.
We are seeing a trend of people that come here and they are aware of the reasons why they come to Texas and they start voting Republican, right?
So that is it is trending well.
The state is as far as demographics goes, Hispanics are now I think the majority in Texas and whites are now the minority, which is funny.
You got to you got to wonder if they're going to change if whites will start be able to capitalize on minority benefits and stuff.
That would be funny.
But it's really funny that the narrative from Democrats is now like, oh, this redistricting, we can't do it because it's racist towards the Latinos and the blacks.
And it's very silly messaging because we're starting to see for them, because Latinos are starting to trend more towards Trump.
The Democrat base has lost the Hispanic vote.
And we can go into hours as to why they've done that, but they basically just have white liberals and blacks left as far as a voting base.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, I mean, we saw the huge swing in the Rio Grande Valley just in the last, really just since the Trump era, in the Trump era.
There are some fears that when you pick off groups that were not previously Republican or previously hardcore Democrat, they do have to concede on some issues.
I think so people are a bit fearedarful that if you really push hard for the Hispanic vote, that you maybe have to lighten your messaging on immigration.
But if anything, Trump was the most anti illegal immigration candidate probably in the modern era.
I would say for sure in the modern era and Hispanics turned out in huge numbers.
I mean, what kind of dynamics is the Texas GOP experimenting with, especially in the Rio Grande Valley?
tony ortiz
Yeah, I think when it comes to Hispanics that can vote, so legal Hispanics, they are probably the most anti immigration, probably more than white people.
Actually, kind of ironic.
I think the trend is like, you know, Hispanics come here, they either they're born here and they appreciate being here, the ones that can vote, right?
Or they they work hard to get here and make a good life.
And so the ones that just hop the border and skip the line and break the laws, they make them look bad, right?
And they want them out of here.
They don't want them here.
I fall into that category.
I don't want it.
It's it's a I'm a Hispanic and it's a sense of embarrassment to see these Hispanics that hop over here and commit crimes or other like sexual deviant acts on young children.
And they make an embarrassment of themselves and other people in the race.
And so, yeah, they want them out of here.
And I think that as far as concessions goes, concessions go in the Republican Party, you're not seeing too many, right?
We've still been really, really hard on immigration.
I haven't seen any concessions as far as to appeal to the Hispanic vote.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I went to high school in San Antonio and, you know, I've been known to throw back a puffy taco every once in a while.
So I'd head down to the south side of San Antonio and you'd be stunned to see some of the discussions you'd overhear some of the discussions at these restaurants regarding immigrants.
Or I'm like, you know, geez.
I mean, this would make, you know, Stephen Miller look like a liberal.
tony ortiz
The funny thing with Democrats is they assume that Hispanics are all like the same, right?
They assume that like Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Mexicans, Spanish, Venezuelans are all the same.
They all hate each other.
They all like racists towards each other, right?
Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Mexicans, they all don't like each other for multiple reasons.
And so when the Democrats lump them all into one giant vote, Whereas I think I've seen the Republican Party really hasn't tried to shell so much to Hispanics.
It's more of been like, hey, join us, be an American, be a conservative, be a patriot, rather than like trying to like lean into like the pandering.
tate brown
Yeah, it's and it's worked so well compared to like, you know, I'm not picking on him specifically, but just from what I can recall, it's like Bush was like much more on the nose pandering to Hispanics, like, you know, speaking really broken Spanish and like making an enchilada and we're like, yeah, come vote for us.
I don't know.
And Trump gets up.
He's like, they're all going home.
No more Spanish.
You're never going to press two for English again.
And everyone, and like South Texas is like, yeah, that sounds great.
Yeah, I'm an American.
I'm a patriot.
So sign me up.
So it's a beautiful thing.
Another question, well, and I'm glad you touched on the fact that Hispanics hate it.
They do this thing, Democrats, where they like lump these groups together, like Native Americans, it's just Native Americans broadly speaking, even though there's like a million tribes.
And they do the same thing with Hispanics, where they're like a Mexican and Puerto Rican are like on the same team.
If you ever ask a Puerto Rican what they think about Mexicans, it sounds like a clan rally.
I mean, it's like ridiculous.
You're sitting there like, geez, can you say these things out loud?
You're gonna get arrested if you're not careful.
tony ortiz
But anyway, Asians are the same way too, right?
Like all the demographic of voters are, they kind of hate each other.
Some of the most racist people I've met have been other Hispanics or other Asians.
tate brown
Literally, yeah.
And it's like, bro, you're on the same team, I would assume.
No, they're not.
But that's kind of one question we're going to talk about because why is it that the Hispanic vote in California and the Hispanic vote in Texas diverge so dramatically?
tony ortiz
Yeah, it's a great question.
You know, I often wonder if the vibe of California is just such a beautiful place that it just kind of makes you lazy and it just makes you just kind of appreciate the weather and everything.
And you're just like, oh, this is all great and life's easy and we're just going to vote Democrat.
I mean, I really can't, as somebody that just watches Texas, I can't really speculate too much, but you also got to wonder the conspiracy theories of like non-citizens are voting.
in these elections and maybe that's kind of skewing some things too.
But, you know, you're seeing, I think it's, if I recall correctly, California's facing a kind of, a population drop.
They're starting to see a population drop where Texas is increasing.
So people are starting to wake up and they're leaving the state.
I think it was In and Out just recently announced their headquarters is leaving California.
Where do they go to?
tate brown
Like Nashville.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
So they're losing a lot of like their, their, their, their, their established hardcore industries.
Like In and Out was their brand back, like, what, ten years ago, if you wanted a burger from In and Out, you had to go to California to get it.
And now it's left.
And now their headquarters are leaving too.
So California minus their weather is losing a lot of their charm and a lot of the things that make them California.
tate brown
Yeah.
I mean, that is kind of the last, really the only thing California has going for it at this point is the natural beauty.
I mean, Texas, you go to the beach in Galveston once, that's a radicalizing experience.
There's like sewage just like sloshing up on the ocean and you're just like, yeah, get all these illegals out of here.
I don't want to give me like a victory here.
It's brutal.
Yeah.
So that's kind of interesting.
I mean, Texas really is emerging as the hub for industry.
You know, Austin obviously is this burgeoning tech hub.
I mean, from from you as a Texan, do you think this is sustainableable?
You think this will continue to be the trend going forward?
tony ortiz
Yeah, I mean, we're getting our own stock exchange soon, right?
A Texas stock exchange.
I think AT ⁇ T is already committed to it as of other industries, right?
There's a lot of investment in like Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining and other things like that.
You have a lot of companies coming here.
The biggest problems we're facing are energy, which is something that even Democrats are talking about.
So that's going to be a big concern is energy and energy consumption.
And then water.
Something that a lot of people aren't talking about enough is our lack of available water, right?
Something I think that a lot of people forget a lot of these Bitcoin mining facilities and these storage facilities.
They require a lot of water to cool and to operate.
And we just don't have enough of it.
tate brown
Yeah.
I mean, the population growth, I think that's part of the reason that's being contributed to the necessitating the redistricting.
or you know or yeah redistricting is because the population has grown so quickly in very specific regions just in the last five years that it that does necessitate a reshifting around of some of these lines um i mean there's a by 2030 i mean the amount of electoral districts Texas could have.
I've seen the projections, like they could pick up like four or five, especially because New York and Illinois are bleeding people left and right.
What kind of what does that do for the mentality?
Because when you meet people from the Sun Belt specifically, they are much happier, much more optimistic.
And then you meet people from the Rust Belt, there is kind of a sense of nihilism.
This is coming from someone that lives, you know, up more in the Rust Belt area.
Is that just the is that just due to the growth?
I mean, Texas really is kind of the place to be right now.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
You know, I've been here since 04, so quite a long time.
And the population growth and traffic, you could see it everywhere in traffic and restaurants and property taxes, right?
It's been insane to kind of put it into terms.
I bought my home in 2016 for like $180k and now it's worth like $250, $260.
So just 10 years later, that big of a growth.
And that sounds really great, but also the property taxes come with that.
So my taxes have gone up like crazy.
Traffic is insane.
It's kind of getting a little, not I wouldn't say unsustainable, but it's getting a little annoying as it's something that's been here for a long time, all the people that are coming here.
But with that comes opportunity, right?
And a lot of growth.
You know, somebody, I live in the burbs outside of Dallas, which I'm very happy to be at, but Dallas proper, the city, one of the things it faces a lot that I think any major city faces is increasing homeless and crime.
And that's, of course, because it's run by Democrats.
It's not legislated properly against, and it'll probably continue to get worse until it gets better.
tate brown
Yeah.
Kind of shifting gears, not really.
It's still very Texas related.
Obviously, there's a lot of concern over Cornyn's performance as senator, rightfully so.
What have you heard on the Cornyn, you know, primary front or, you know, people trying to go for Cornyn's seat.
What have you heard?
tony ortiz
Yeah.
So Cornyn's up for a reelection and he's running against, I'm sorry, Attorney General Ken Paxton is running for his spot, right?
And so Cornyn's often viewed as the establishment choice, not very well liked.
He's kind of been wishy-washy on a lot of Trump stuff, right?
Whereas Ken Paxton's been a huge ally for Trump.
And Paxton is well-beloved by the grassroots.
Cornyn just announced today that he was endorsed by Rick Perry, which like, and I, somebody, I actually really love Rick Perry.
I think he's hilarious.
There's a photo of Rick Perry with like a pistol and then he's been arrested before.
He's got a really funny mugshot and I think he's on a run.
He shot a coyote once.
So I kind of think Rick Perry is a badass.
tate brown
Yeah, it's kind of sick.
tony ortiz
But they made this announcement on like one of the worst days to make this.
We've got like all these Democrats fleeing.
They're talking about arrests and fines and they announce like.
We've got basically World War III going on here in Texas.
And then he announces, oh, we've got an endorsement from Rick Perry because everybody's like, okay, yeah, anyway.
So, but yeah, it's kind of, it's, I don't like to make predictions as a journalist too much, but it is looking like Paxson's got it in the bag minus some major scandal.
And I don't know what kind of scandal it would have to be.
I think that Paxton is just kind of walking into that spot.
tate brown
Do you think with with the Paxton Abbott, you know, that front, do you think that it seems the base really wants these Democrats arrested or held responsible for doing this?
I mean, do you think that plays well for them in upcoming elections if they are able to pull something off?
tony ortiz
I actually I think it plays well for both parties.
Right.
If you're a Democrat and you're seeing your rep out there like fleeing the state in order to fight against this stuff like you're gung ho.
ho about it right and i'm seeing it you know my state rep is a democrat they're sending out text messages for fundraisers right all these democrats are using this opportunity to raise money and also to when they're up for reelection to say, you know, I'm a strong Democrat.
I fought for you.
I even fled the state to avoid this, right?
And Republicans are using this as well to fundraise and to say, hey, you know, these Democrats are horrible.
need to vote for me because I'm going to fight against this.
There's already been two bills filed today by both the Senate and the House that pushes harder penalties if a
House Rep Briscoe Cain filed that bill, seven unexcused absences, and their office is considered vacant and that was filed today the irony being that we don't have a quorum so it can't get passed so yeah it's been filed but unless the democrats come back nothing's going to happen i mean the extra extradite extradition i don't have so much trouble saying the word extradition that that abbot has proposed i mean how does that play out was he sending the national guard up there or i don't think it plays out at all uh the idea of uh
extraditing people across state lines doesn't work if they fled somewhere in texas yeah dps would be breaking down their door handcuffing them and then dragging them to the to the the capital but that's the whole reason that they fled out of state the ability to enforce these sorts of things especially arrests outside of the state are almost zero.
So I don't think it's going to play at all.
The only thing that they are facing is these fines, right?
We passed some laws, I believe it was last session, that anytime they are absent for a quorum break, they have a $500 daily fine.
But of course, Democrats are fundraising off of this.
And you had, what was the Illinois governor?
What's his name?
tate brown
Pritzker.
tony ortiz
Pritzker is funded their plane, they chartered their plane for them and is, I'm assuming, paying for their other expenses.
And Abbott's calling that a bride, which is.
really interesting.
There's laws that basically say if you take money in exchange to vote or not vote a certain way, that is considered a bribe.
So you can also call that donations, right?
Donations do that.
Donors do that.
But he's considering that a bribe.
And they're also looking at filing charges, bribery charges against not only the reps, but also people that are giving money to the reps for being gone.
So we'll see how that plays out in court.
tate brown
I mean, that would be a beautiful, that would play so well with the base, that would turn them into rockstars overnight.
But yeah, these tends to happen at these stories where you get really excited and then they just kind of just show up, the bill gets passed, and then you forget about the story.
Fingers crossed that really happens.
One question, what's up with the James Tallerico guy where he gets up and he's like, if you're a Christian, you're not gay, like you're not a Christian.
What is that guy?
What is going on in Texas?
Where are these people coming from?
tony ortiz
Yeah, Tallerico's an interesting guy, right?
I gauge a lot of political stuff, especially with the general voting base or at least the independent voting base based off some friends.
I call them some political normies.
They're like normies in politics, right?
And so every once in a while, I kind of do a temperature check to see what's up.
And, you know, Tallerico, House Representative Tallerico was on.
on the Joe Rogan podcast.
And so I did a temperature check on the Normies and they were like, we really like this guy.
And I'm like, oh, man.
Yeah, it's, you know, I don't think the Democrats have any chance of gaining any ground in Texas.
They say it every year that Democrats are a threat.
It's not going to happen anytime soon.
But Talarico is somebody that's likely going to run for governor one day of Texas.
And, you know, he's this.
very odd like leftist huge pro-gay democrat uh pastor right which is kind of an oxymoron in a sense and um he says a bunch of really, really crazy stuff.
If you're a Christian, you just kind of, your head kind of explodes hearing him kind of make arguments for this.
tate brown
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
He's likely to run for governor, but he's a single man.
Uh oh.
And he's probably going to have to find a wife and kid to run just because that's the kind of thing you need nowadays to play for bigger office.
And so we'll see if he can, uh, he can find a wife here really quickly.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, it's a valiant effort.
Maybe they can, uh, you do some, Pritzker can do some fundraising for him.
Right.
Yeah.
It's kind of like Beidou 2.0 where they get like in love with this random house member and then they try to convince everyone he's like the guy..
And then he just ends up being really weird and eats dirt and stuff.
tony ortiz
Yeah, it happens every year.
Beto ran, what was it, two, three times, lost.
Colin Alred's now running on his second time.
He's going to lose again.
Tallerico will probably run for a higher office and lose too.
And they say it every year like, oh, the signs are everywhere.
The lines are out the door.
It doesn't matter.
Texas is huge.
Texas is bigger than most countries.
So it doesn't really matter if there's a bunch of signs or a bunch of lines in a city for a guy.
It doesn't really reflect the entire voting base of Texas.
Texas is so ginormous that people often forget that the rural areas, the areas that these politicians don't go to have a massive influence on statewide elections.
tate brown
And one more question.
The mood of Democrats nationwide, but specifically in Texas, we saw it on full display with Jasmine Crockett like melting down these last few days.
They really do have this sense of being powerless.
Do you think when they're cornered, do you think they have any more tricks up their sleeve?
Or do you think this is just a new era and this is just they're going to have to just complain all the time?
I don't know.
Does Texas allow them any tools?
tony ortiz
Yeah, I don't think that there's minus quorum breaks.
There's really nothing else that they can do, right?
You know, Democrats have the same tired messaging where it's always just racism, everything's racist, you know, the redistricting is racist And it's just, it's very exhausting.
And I think it's.
it's played out now.
If Democrats were smart and if they actually wanted to win, they would turn to be back to being normal.
We're talking like the 90s era of Democrats where they're just like moderate leftists, right?
I think a lot of people could probably relate to some of the stuff that they push, but they're so insane with the transgender stuff and the body mutilation and all of that.
It's gone too far.
That's why you're seeing a lot of these companies kind of start to swing their advertising from like these disgusting fat androgynist models to like attractive women like the Sydney Sweeney thing, right?
Because we're returning back to like some normalcy.
We're finally starting to see some like real, like what people expect to see in our advertising, our movies and our culture.
And Democrats, again, if they were smart, they would embrace it, but I don't they're not.
So I don't see them doing anything soon.
tate brown
Well dude, well I appreciate it man.
tony ortiz
Do you want to give a shout out or tell people where to find you yeah if you're a texan watching this you can find us at currentrevolt.com and you can subscribe there we put out a newsletter every morning with just texas news or if you're on twitter and you you like what i've said and you're and you're interested in texas politics you can follow me at current revolt dude well tony dude i appreciate it thanks for the chat that was uh that was great so uh we'll catch you next time yep see you man All righty.
tate brown
Well, that was the noon hour.
I think it went okay.
You know, it's kind of tricky filling in because it's like once a month.
So it's hard to really get into into the routine.
I don't know if you noticed with Tony, like I asked the first question and then I, uh, then I was like, by the way, who are you?
Like, where, you know, how do, uh, people like know who you are?
So it gets a little tricky, but, you know, more reps, more repetition will get better.
Practice makes perfect.
Well, this isn't really practice.
This is the game, but, uh, it is what it is.
So, uh, thanks for bearing with me.
Uh, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram, or sorry, X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown.
Uh, we will have IRL tonight at 8 p.m.
It looks like it's going to be a fill cast.
Um, so it's going to be a really good time.
So we'll see you there.
We'll hang out and, uh, yeah., we'll see you next time.
Appreciate it.
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