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Pelosi MELTS DOWN After Trump Accuses Her Of INSIDER TADING, PELOSI ACT Moves Forward

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yesterday, Donald Trump accused Nancy Pelosi of trading using insider information, which is, of course, what she's been doing.
		I mean, at least according to every single report everywhere, as well as the quiver quantitative Pelosi strategy, they call it.
		My friends, if you have followed the Pelosi trading strategy, you'd be up something like 700%, I kid you not.
		And the way it goes is it's not just Nancy Pelosi, and it's technically not insider information, but it is.
		The way the game works is actually quite simple.
		If you're in Congress, you can introduce legislation that simply by introducing, not even getting passed, will damage the stock of a company.
		So these people in Congress can say, hey, short insert company.
		I'm going to make a bill that's going to hinder them.
		Then when the stock drops, we sell our position, make a bunch of money, and then the bill never goes anywhere.
		That's the name of the game.
		Or they'll get a bill coming through that's showing preferable treatment for a company or some kind of procedure regulation pertaining to AI or whatever.
		And they'll say, what's this bill going to do?
		Really?
		And then they'll call their stock people and say, buy a bunch of this stock because we're going to vote on this bill.
		And as soon as it goes through, their stock's going through the roof.
		That's why Nancy Pelosi is worth something like $250 million.
		And when Trump called her out, she lost her mind.
		Should have freaking out.
		She got really mad at CNN.
		Like, why are you asking me this?
		Ma'am, it's because there's a bill called the Pelosi Act.
		It's named after you because everybody knows what's going on in Congress.
		Now, it's moving forward.
		Trump's mad at Josh Hawley because Hawley didn't want this provision in it that was going to force Trump to divest.
		I actually don't agree with that.
		Rand Paul says it should be in there.
		And it was like every other Republican and every Democrat were in favor of this bill.
		And it gives Trump a leeway, basically.
		It says it won't take effect until the next individual television.
		I got a hair in my mouth or something.
		We're going to get that.
		There we go.
		It says it won't take effect until the next election cycle.
		That means Trump is off the hook.
		Now, there are some Republicans that are like, no, we shouldn't play that game.
		But the game has been played and the bill is moving forward.
		And I think it's probably a good idea.
		I don't think you should come in right now and say you are in office.
		Right now, divest.
		I think it's fair to say starting with the next cycle.
		So in the next midterm, the next century is whatever, this effect will be in place.
		I think that's fair.
		That way people know what they're getting into when they apply for this, not to have it applied retroactively.
		That being said, apparently several members of Congress are very angry and don't want this to be.
		You know why?
		This is the game, baby.
		Come on.
		You really want to work in Congress for $175,000 a year?
		Nah, the name of the game is you get in Congress, you get $175K, and they're going to tell you exactly where to put that money.
		You put that money in the right spot.
		By the time you leave in two years, you're probably worth a couple, a cool couple mil.
		And if you stick around long enough, you might be worth $250,000.
		Pelosi blames her husband, but as if any of us believes that her husband doesn't have private information.
		It's not classified or anything.
		It's just the schedule.
		Yeah, we're voting on this, that, and otherwise.
		He also knows that Pelosi might say something like, I'm not, she was speaker right.
		I'm not going to bring that to the floor.
		I don't know.
		It sounds crazy.
		Not classified.
		And then he says, okay, I'll short it.
		And now they're rich.
		Let's play.
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	But now let's jump into the news.
	We got this from the post-millennial.
	Trump calls for investigation Of Nancy Pelosi over stock trading using inside information.
	President Trump on Wednesday called for former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to be investigated for becoming rich by having inside information.
	Quote: Nancy Pelosi became rich by having inside information.
	She made a fortune with her husband.
	I think that's disgraceful, he said.
	Later, adding, Nancy Pelosi should be investigated because she has the highest return of anybody, practically, in the history of Wall Street, save a few.
	How did that happen?
	It happened by she knows exactly what's going to happen, what's going to be announced.
	She buys stock, then the stock goes up after the announcement is made, and she ought to be investigated.
	Here's the clip.
unidentified		Thank you, Mr. President.
		Senator College introduced legislation that would ban members of Congress from owning or trading individual stocks at expense to the president and vice president.
		Are you in favor of that legislation?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Well, I like it conceptually.
		I don't know about it, but I like it conceptually.
		And, you know, Nancy Pelosi became rich by having inside information.
		She made a fortune with her husband, and I think that's disgraceful.
		So in that sense, I'd like it, but I'd have to really see the, I'd have, you know, I study these things very carefully, and this just happened.
		So I'll take a look at it.
		But conceptually, I like it.
		And what I do think is Nancy Pelosi should be investigated because she has the highest return of anybody practically in the history of Wall Street, save a few.
		And how did that happen?
		It happened by she knows exactly what's going to happen, what's going to be announced.
		She buys stock, and then the stock goes up after the announcement's made.
		And she ought to be investigated.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They all do it.
		During the press conference, Trump was asked about a bill introduced by Senator Josh Hawley that would ban members of Congress as well as the president and vice president from trading stocks.
		Senator Hawley has described the bill's progress as a long overdue development.
		We have an opportunity here today to do something that the public has wanted us to do for decades, and that is to ban members of Congress from profiting on information that, frankly, only members of Congress have.
		Pelosi, who has resisted similar legislation in the past, endorsed the bill after it cleared the Senate committee, saying, we must have strong transparency, robust accountability, and tough enforcement for financial conduct in office, because the American people deserve confidence that their elected leaders are serving the public interest, not their personal portfolios.
		Not all Republicans backed the modified bill.
		Senator Bernie Moreno of Ohio withdrew his support after changes from the original bill he had supported, and others, including Senators Ron Johnson and Rick Scott, and Rand Paul, expressed concerns as well.
		A White House official told Axios that the inclusion of the executive branch raised Article II concerns, which relate to the constitutional limits on restricting the powers of the president.
		Trump posted to Truth Social.
		Why would one Republican, Senator Josh Hawley from the great state of Missouri, join with all of the Democrats to block a review sponsored by Senator Rick Scott and with the support of almost all the Republicans of Nancy Pelosi's stock trading over the last 25 years?
		The information was inappropriately released just minutes before the vote, very much like sabotage.
		The Democrats, because of our tremendous achievements and success, have been trying to target me for a long period of time, and they're using Josh Hawley, who I got elected twice as a pawn to help them.
		Very interesting.
		Well, I love this headline from Newsweek, my friends, because it certainly is not the headline that we're using.
		Nancy Pelosi brushes off Trump insider trading accusation.
		She brushed it off, my friends.
		Nothing to see here.
		Nothing to see here.
		Is that what she did?
		Because we got this from Mediight.
		Nancy Pelosi scolds Jake Tapper for asking about insider trading allegations.
		Why do you have to read that?
		Is that so, Ms. Pelosi?
		Let's play the tape.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		This afternoon, President Trump mentioned you and he made an allegation about your investments.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		I want to roll that clip and then give you a chance to respond.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's frozen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		CNN, what are you doing?
unidentified		Come on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've seen this clip.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		They seem to be having some sort of...
		Let me just read what he said.
		I'm sorry that we had some sort of technical issue.
		Nancy Pelosi became rich.
nancy pelosi ▲ ● ▼		I might have to read that.
		We're here to talk about the 60th anniversary of Medicaid.
		That's what I agreed to come to talk about.
		That means in the election.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to give you a chance just to respond.
		He accused you of insider trading.
		What's your response to that?
nancy pelosi ▲ ● ▼		That's ridiculous.
		In fact, I very much support the stop the trading of members of Congress.
		Not that I think anybody's doing anything wrong.
		If they are, they are prosecuted and they go to jail.
		But because of the confidence it instills in the American people, don't worry about this.
		But I have no concern about the obvious investments that have been made over time.
		I'm not into it.
		My husband is.
		But it isn't anything to do with anything insider.
		But the president has his own exposure, so he's always projecting.
		He's always projecting.
		And let's not give him any more time on that, please.
		We're going forward here, and I'm very proud of my family.
		And while he might make fun of us while somebody inspired by him breaks into our home and hits my husband in a deadly fashion, hits my husband over the head, and he thinks that's a riot, I'd rather not go into some of my other complaints about him right now.
		Rather to talk about the 60th anniversary of Medicaid and Medicare, what a triumph, a great pillar of economic and health security for the American people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lady is 84, and I'm just watching this thinking to myself, Lord help me, I will never be that.
		I will never be 84 years old and doing this show or anything like it where I'm just like, listen to me, you know, don't have laws that stop criminal activity.
		Oh, my God.
		Lady, go away.
		You're 84.
		Just please stop.
		Stop appearing.
		Get out of Congress.
		Sit in your rocking chair with the sunset, rocking back and forth as your grandkids who are probably 40 years old play with your great-grandkids.
		And Lord, help me.
		I can't believe this is where we are as a country.
		We've got a, what do they call it?
		A geriocracy?
		Is that what it is?
		Geriocracy?
		I have no idea.
		I can't believe it.
		My friends, I love how Newsweek says she just brushed off insider trading accusation.
		No, she actually got pretty heated there.
		Asked him why he was asking her about it.
		Said, can we just drop this and move on?
		There's a reason they call it the Pelosi Act.
		She says, I'm not into that.
		My husband's into that.
		Oh, boy.
		Look at the Nancy Pelosi net worth.
		Welcome, my friends, to quiverquant.com, and we call this the Pelosi strategy.
		Copy Nancy Pelosi's trades.
		You know, I'm going to do this.
		As of 2014, she's up 731%.
		Man, for real?
		Yo, that's crazy.
		So if I were to put my money in, that's better.
		Is that, wow.
		That's up 100 times the average return.
		If you're going like, look at this.
		The market index SPY is plus 237.
		Okay, so it's up quite a bit in 10 years.
		She's up 731.
		That's amazing.
		She got a current net worth of 261 million.
		And she says, that's my husband.
		I'm not into that.
		Oh, yeah, lady.
		So your husband just happened to know to invest in these companies like NVIDIA right before they're about to skyrocket.
		Now, maybe he's got other private information or whatever.
		I don't know.
		But I'm going to tell you, it's real simple.
		Because it ain't just Nancy Pelosi.
		It is all of them.
		It's all of them.
		If they're in a committee and they're like, hey, I'm hearing from Congressman so-and-so he's going to introduce a bill that's going to make it legal to sell marijuana or something federally.
		Then the members of Congress are like, really?
		When's that going to be?
		His staff, they're working on it right now.
		It should be finished in a few days.
		And then they say, okay, they immediately go and they buy stock in companies that engage in marijuana related activities.
		And then when the bill is introduced, the stock is going to go up because the media is going to report.
		Congress proposes legislation to legalize pot.
		You get a big return.
		You sell it.
		The bill fails.
		Whatever happens.
		Cha-ching.
	Or shorts.
	A bill comes forward and the stock goes up.
	And then you're like, hey man, I know for a fact this bill doesn't have the votes.
	I'm talking to my buddies.
	They're saying they're not going to vote on this.
	So you short the stock.
	You say, I'm going to short it.
	I'm going to borrow that stock, sell it now, and then pay it back later.
	That's how shorting works.
	Then when the bill fails and the stock goes down, basically it's like this.
	Let's say the stock is at $100.
	You want to short it.
	You say, lend me the stock right now.
	They do.
	You then sell it at $100 a share, and you're hoping that within a week or a month, the value of that stock is going to drop.
	Then you buy it back at a lower rate and return the shares you borrowed.
	It's really amazing how that works.
	So if you buy at 100, you buy one share at 100, you get 100 bucks.
	It drops down to 90.
	Then you buy it back at 90, give the share back to the person you borrowed it from, and you made 10 bucks profit.
	When they are going to vote down these bills and they know exactly how it's going to be played, they make money and they get rich.
	And we don't have access to that information.
	I think that should be illegal.
	I think it technically already is illegal.
	It's insider information.
	And they do this.
	And Pelosi is the queen of it.
	Here's the New York Times bill barring stock trading with Congress advances with Trump carve-out.
	The bill passed the committee with the support of every Democrat and only one Republican, its sponsor who modified it to shield President Trump from a divestment requirement.
	A key Senate committee on Wednesday approved legislation that would bar members of Congress, the president and the vice president from trading stocks after its Republican sponsor changed the bill to ensure that a divestment requirement included in the measure would not apply to President Trump, which is just weird.
	The legislation sponsored by Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri attracted an unusual coalition of supporters, winning approval from the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, with every other Republican on the panel in opposition and Democrats unanimously in support.
	It is getting weird, isn't it?
	Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky and chairman of the committee, tried to chip away at Democratic support by framing the measure as one that would protect a president they despise.
	He noted that Mr. Hawley's original proposal would have required the president and the vice president to sell off investments starting in 2027, while the version approved on Wednesday does not apply that mandate until the start of an elected official's next term, meaning it would never apply to Trump.
	But that is not a protection for Trump.
	That is a protection for everybody currently in office right now to be told, hey, guys, I know it's always been this way.
	Starting the next cycle, you can't do this.
	I think that's acceptable.
	I think that's fair.
	Congress was never going to approve this otherwise because you've got people in Congress right now being like, you're going to force me to make a bunch of divestments right now?
	Okay, here's what we're going to do.
	No divestments.
	Starting your next term, no stock trading.
	Okay, fine.
	Now, still, the crazy thing is I don't think this is going to pass.
	It might.
	I'm not sure.
	But it's looking like there's a tremendous amount of opposition.
	Members of Congress behind the scenes are saying like, absolutely not.
	Because they want to get rich, man.
	You know, imagine you fought all this way to get into Congress.
	Now they're telling you you can't cheat the system.
	What was the point?
unidentified		That's what Congress is all about, isn't it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Quote, the substitute protects Donald Trump.
		The original bill does not protect Donald Trump, Mr. Paul said.
		I hope everyone will think about that.
		I would oppose the substitute change because I think it should apply to everybody or nobody.
		Yes, but it's saying starting at the next session.
		I think that's fair.
		I mean, a lot of people want to punish Congress, I guess, but I think it's fair to say, okay, we're going to enact this next time.
		It literally means in a year.
		What's the big deal?
		For Trump, it means a couple more years.
		The measure faces steep odds given the degree of Republican opposition and a fierce repudiation on Wednesday by Mr. Trump.
		A White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to a detailed private discussion, said that substantial questions about the legislation remain and that Mr. Hawley had blindsided Mr. Trump's team with this bill, which initially would have required the president to immediately sell off investments.
		Mr. Trump appeared non-committal about the bill when reporters asked him about it at the White House on Wednesday, but he later condemned it on social media as savaging Mr. Hawley as a second-tier senator who had allowed Democrats to use him as a pawn to advance a bill that is so bad for our country.
		Really?
		Well, I'm curious about this.
		He complained that Mr. Hawley had sided with Democrats against an attempt by Senator Rick Scott to add to the bill a report of stock trading by former Speaker Nancy Pelosi and members of her family.
		Lucrative stock trades by Ms. Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi, have been a favorite focus of her Republican critics and helped fuel the push for new congressional stock trading rules.
		Indeed.
		And why not?
		Why not?
		Here's the AP.
		Trump calls GOP's Hawley second-tier senator after bill to ban stock trades and government advances.
		I'd like to take this opportunity to just let everybody know.
		So we've hosted on this morning show many members of Congress.
		Tim Castirella has also had many members of Congress.
		They don't like driving all the way out here.
		It's not that far, but they still don't want to do it.
		So on the morning show, we invite them.
		And you know what?
		We usually have people banging on the door.
		Some new legislation, something's coming up.
		They want to talk about it.
		They want the opportunity.
		They want to get attention to it.
		So sure enough, a lot of people were asking us, hey, man, we want to talk about this in China trading stuff.
		And we said, that's great.
		Let's do it.
		Hey, there's also this bill from February 4th that would stop payment processors from restricting the sale of legitimate goods.
		Have you seen this story on the video gaming stuff where Steam and Itch were forced to take down adult games because payment processors were pressured by feminists?
		Now, by all means, I'm not a pro-porn guy.
		I think it's bad.
		But I also think if it's legal, payment processors shouldn't be intervening to force cultural norms from feminists onto how people have voted.
		That is not how this country is supposed to work.
		There's a lot of bad things about this country that are legal.
		We fight against them.
		We win the legislation.
		Now, here's the thing I bring this up for.
		When we then responded to a bunch of these members of Congress and said, we also want to talk about this, not getting a lot of attention.
		But there was a bill from, I think it was from Kramer, North Dakota.
		Zip, they stopped responding.
		Interesting, I say.
		I say interesting.
		This is a big story right now, and we're going to get into a little bit, but I think it's worth bringing up right now, considering what they're trying to talk about and the game they're trying to play.
		I've interviewed many members of Congress.
		I have interviewed many activists.
		And I think behind the scenes, all of these members of Congress are playing a game.
		All of them.
		Even the ones I like.
		I like Thomas Massey.
		I like Rand Paul, but I think they've got their agendas too.
		For example, when I was talking to Mike Cernovich about Thomas Massey's bill to get the Epstein files released.
		And Cernovich brings up a good point.
		Any one of these members of Congress can subpoena individuals and force them to come in and testify.
		Why aren't they doing it?
	Why is it this grandstanding, right?
	You got a bill.
	Hey, we're going to get this done.
	Sure.
	Well, why don't you start right now as we're waiting on this and hold a hearing and subpoena people or just call them testify?
	You might not even need a subpoena.
	Why won't they do that?
	It seems like the reality is there is a plan for everybody.
	They know what they want to do.
	And look, most people have plans.
	They're schemers, scheming.
	And they say, I'm going to focus on this.
	This is the issue we're going to do.
	So when we go to them and say, yes, we will talk about that.
	However, we're also interested in talking to freedom-minded individuals and about this issue.
	Kevin Kramer, I think, is the senator from North Dakota.
	I could be getting his name wrong.
	Introduced this banking bill because of gun bans.
	You had Visa and MasterCard basically saying like, we're not going to allow processing on guns.
	Now, the same thing's happening to adult content on video game websites.
	Now, certainly we can make an argument about keep it away from kids and adults can buy what they want to buy.
	But when we bring this up, everybody just stopped responding.
	I think that they're scared about talking about real grassroots issues and they wanted to keep it to something safe.
	And that is, it's partisan, it plays well, it panders to the base, and it will go nowhere.
	But right now, you've got gun rights activists, advocates, and gamers united on this big issue.
	It's regular people saying, hey, man, we don't want payment processors telling us we can or can't buy.
	Whether you like guns or don't, they shouldn't be able to restrict you.
	Adult content, I don't like that either, but it's not illegal.
	And if it's legal, people have a right to buy it.
	So why are these processors getting involved?
	Radio silence.
	Radio silence.
	We, in fact, had some members that were saying, can we pre-record and talk about Pelosi?
	And we were like, sure.
	And then we were like, hey, can we talk about this too?
	And then, sorry, you know what?
	We're no longer available.
	I kid you not.
	That's wild.
	But we'll tell you when it happens because I ain't playing these stupid games.
	If they don't want to come on, this is what we call, this is the challenge we face in media.
	Access journalism is a reality.
	There are people who are concerned right now about saying negative things about Donald Trump in the White House because they know the press team there is going to be like, don't do media with them because they're going to challenge us.
	That's a reality.
	I don't play those games.
	But you know what that means?
	It means they're not going to come on this show.
	And then what?
	No scoops.
	If that's what you're going to play, then fine, play it, man.
	But I think people, I think y'all need to realize the system that we are facing, anti-establishment, establishment or otherwise, is mechanized.
	It absolutely is.
	A game is being played.
	You know, I was asked about this last night.
	Shout out to Tyler Today News on the Discord.
	And he was asking why I didn't cover certain stories that he thought were important.
	The simple answer is I don't personally care all that much about some of these stories.
	So there are a lot of people who are going to say, talk about this story.
	Everybody's always telling me I should talk about a certain story and why aren't I?
	And I'm like, I just, I'm unmoved by it.
	I'm not saying it's not important.
	It's just, what do I have nothing to say?
	But the reality is also this.
	I did a story the other day talking about YouTube being banned in Australia for under 16s, censored completely.
	And we know that's the game.
	I know for a fact, if I make a video on something I think is important, AI, big tech, or otherwise, and it doesn't fit the mechanized agenda, they will suppress it.
	If you can figure out the algorithm on what they want you to talk about, you will get millions of subscribers overnight.
	That's the name of the game.
	You know, man, I don't do that.
	It is what It is, but this is why, for the back half, we actually don't have a member of Congress, which is surprising considering how many have been reaching out to us trying to come on the show.
	Literally, I don't want to say every member of Congress, but when we went to them and said, guys, this is an issue we want to talk about, they said no.
	Well, to be honest, they just stopped responding to us outright.
	Because that's the game.
	Subjects are taboo.
	They will not entertain them.
	Let's wrap up this story, though.
	Trump's coming at Josh Hawley.
	And I got to tell you how much of this feels performative and how much of you think it actually is.
	I ran a poll yesterday on Timcast IRL saying that, you know, Trump is going to go after Obama.
	Obama will be arrested or Obama will never be arrested.
	56% said Obama will never be arrested.
	Most of us believe that we are watching some kind of scripted dance that's not real.
	The challenge there, I suppose, is Trump actually got arrested several times and his lawyers.
	So it certainly seems like it's not completely mechanized, right?
	The fact that Trump won twice, despite everything they tried to stop him, do to stop him, suggests there is a bit of reality.
	But I'll tell you this, man, and I will stress it behind the scenes, there is a dance being played, and that will always be the case.
	Certain people won't talk about certain issues.
	YouTube will ban you if you do.
	Certain names aren't allowed to be said.
	So I'll tell you this.
	Let's get as controversial as we can.
	You know, with Epstein, ask yourself why it is that you are allowed to, anyone on social media, can make videos about Epstein, attacking Donald Trump or otherwise, or Bill Clinton, and get millions of views.
	But when Trump was getting impeached, if you said the name Eric Chiarimella, they would delete all the big tech platforms, I think except for Twitter, but Facebook and YouTube especially.
	They would delete your video or your post without warning.
	There are things they won't let you talk about.
	There are things that YouTube will suppress.
	Now, I don't blame YouTube.
	I get it.
	If I was a company, I made a video titled YouTube to be banned in Australia for under 16s, and nobody clicked on it.
	You know why?
	It's not that the story doesn't matter.
	In fact, one of the most important stories to YouTubers that exists.
	It's the first of the Western world to ban under 16s kids from social media.
	Should be the biggest story, don't you think?
	It is coming.
	And YouTube just didn't recommend it to anybody.
	You know, that YouTube just decided on this one, YouTube to be banned.
	Let's not show that to anybody.
	Why?
	Because people might agree with it.
	And it would hurt YouTube as a business.
	And so then the question comes to me.
	Hey, Tim, if you do this segment, YouTube's going to suppress it.
	No one's going to be able to see it.
	You'll make no money.
	Can you do it?
	Well, I did it anyway.
	AI stories are similar, but this is the game that is currently being played.
	So when I look at this, let me just say this, not to be pessimistic or blackpilled.
	I have to wonder, are they ever actually going to pass this?
	Does it ever actually matter?
	There's an old joke.
	If voting made a difference, it would be made illegal.
	And that is an assessment on how the powers that be manipulate the public and control things for their own benefit, the deep state, as it were.
	And I don't know where we're headed, but there's always going to be some kind of deep state.
	That's just the reality of it.
	Big companies, big investors don't want you talking about certain issues.
	They want you talking about one thing or the other.
	The only thing that changed the culture war was that there were two different ideological factions.
	But as we begin to win our version of it, certainly you're going to start seeing the same degree of censorship.
	So with all that being said, my friends, I'm going to wrap it up there.
	We're going to be joined by Gavin McInnes to talk about debanking because none so debanked and censored as he.
	And with this issue of MasterCard and the discussion of censorship and mechanization, I thought, who better than a guy who was shut down, censored, smeared, lied about, debanked over and over and over again.
	So we can talk about these issues, someone with first-hand experience.
	That'll be up at 4 p.m. at rumble.com slash TimPool, as well as youtube.com slash Timcast.
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	Stay tuned.
	That interview is to come later today.
	Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all then.
	For everybody else, let's pull it up.
	We've got this story from thegamer.com.
	There is a bill under review right now that could prevent credit card companies from blocking adult games on Steam.
	For those that don't know the story, this has been an ongoing battle, a new gamer war, as it were, as video game distributors like Steam and Itch have been banning adult games because a feminist anti-porn group had been putting pressure on Visa and MasterCard to get this content banned.
	Steam then updates its rules saying, okay, you know, we're not going to allow this stuff.
	And the issue is, the content is legal.
	But Steam, facing pressure from payment processors, says, you know what?
	We're not going to be involved.
	Now, this bill that was introduced by Kevin Kramer of North Dakota was actually about gun rights.
	You see, several months ago, February 4th, when this was introduced, we had been hearing that credit card companies were going to start restricting anybody at gun stores.
	They were going to say, you know what, if you're using payment processing for guns, we're going to restrict this.
	It's a way to circumvent the Second Amendment and our right to keep and bear arms.
	But wait, there's more.
	The issue was much broader than that.
	Activist organizations are trying to prevent people from being able to buy legal products.
	And I'm going to tell you this.
	I think porn is bad.
	I'd have no problem.
	It was banned, whatever.
	But who am I?
	I'm not the king, right?
	We handle these things through debate, culture wars.
	We do shows.
	We challenge people.
	We argue why we think we're right.
	And we hope we win culturally.
	The far left, on the other hand, shows up with crowbars, baseball bats, Molotov cocktails, and then companies bend the knee.
	That is not the way anybody should live.
	It's not the way I want to live.
	I want to win on the merits.
	So I say, I am not going to entertain credit card Companies banning content that can be legally purchased.
	I'm not playing that game because they're going to come for our guns.
	That's the play.
	It's all a Trojan horse.
	On top of this, we have other stories too, which are interesting.
	In that, in the UK and Australia, they're launching these age verification laws as well as the U.S. And initially, I had nothing but praise for it, saying, you know what?
	If it's an adult website, verify the age of somebody.
	What's the problem?
	Well, as much as I think that's actually rather simple, the problem is this law is now hitting everything.
	Spotify is requiring face scans and digital down.
	They want to get your ID and personal information permanently on record.
	And that was the fear many people had, a Trojan horse that I would say that I missed, that I was wrong about.
	Again, I'll say this.
	If you're a website exclusively just doing adult content and you're like, you need an ID to see this, I say, okay.
	The one thing I can add is, at least in public, when you go to an adult bookstore or a casino or a bar, you show your ID, they look at it, you're good to go.
	They don't get a permanent copy of it.
	These websites do.
	Now it's affecting Spotify and people are getting banned from Spotify because it's demanding to verify their age so they can listen to music.
	Why?
	Because Spotify doesn't want to gate explicit content.
	So this is where the ID identification of the world begins.
	And this is in line with all of that social credit score garbage.
	No, my friends, in the past, there is a man who has been targeted, smeared, defamed.
	He's been accused.
	He's been debanked.
	This man is Gavin McInnes.
	Let's pull in Gavin right now and have a conversation.
	We'll talk about this and get some insights.
	Gavin, how's it going?
	Can you hear me?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can hear you fine.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing well.
		Let me just frame this a little bit better.
		And there we go.
		Sir, right now, there is this big online battle over Visa and MasterCard being pressured to ban adult video games from these gaming platforms.
		And it's legal content.
		Users of these, the fans of these games, albeit it's not something I like, but their fans, they're outraged, but also there are people that are terrified that if the payment processors can universally dictate what products we're allowed to buy, then our culture is going to be enforced by unseen corporate influences.
		There was a bill introduced February 4th that would stop credit card companies from doing this, and this is about gun rights.
		But it's not just guns, not just video games, it's also politics.
		And we've seen a ton of people debanked.
		Carl Benjamin booted from Patreon, Laura Loomer, banned from, I think it was PayPal.
		And you, I believe, have been banned, debanked, and shut down far and wide.
		So I'm curious what your thoughts are on what's currently happening with this action as well as these potential laws.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a dangerous game we're playing because they are correct in assuming that kids under 18 should not be playing these games.
		They should not be playing porn games.
		The games have naked women in them.
		Young people shouldn't be doing this.
		They shouldn't be voting.
		They shouldn't be getting tattoos.
		They've already been totally corrupted by TikTok and doom scrolling.
		We've destroyed their innocence.
		So I get that.
		But on the other hand, when you look at the arbiters of what is right and what is wrong, they are totally corrupt and inept, which is not a good combination.
		I'm banned from everything.
		Twitter, Pinterest, MailChimp, like everything.
		And every time I tried to get for censored.tv, when I tried to get payment, they'd go, we got a guy.
		He's like, they do guns.
		They can help you.
		And then that guy would go, ah, dude, I don't know who you pissed off, but I can't help you.
		I had this weird Israeli dude that would only listen to me, like accept my application if other Hasidic or Orthodox Jews said that I was a legit dude.
		I got that.
		He goes, I don't know who you peed off.
		CBD, porn guys, and all these people, the rates they charge are like triple what normal people get.
		And they all said no because I pissed off Visa and MasterCard.
		So it's a really interesting debate because I do agree with them that I don't want children watching porn.
		We've watched phones destroy an entire generation of childhood.
		But on the other hand, who's in charge now?
		Who's making these decisions?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one of the things we started to see too, because I'll put it this way, when we first started hearing that states were passing these ID requirements for porn websites, the gut reaction immediately is like, okay, that's fine.
		I mean, if you're literally just a site for porn, then people shouldn't be able to just randomly show up and just say, sure, I'm 18, trust me.
		The problem is they passed these laws and now we're seeing, one, pressure is being applied to these credit card companies who are gleeful to do it most likely.
		But also Spotify is now requiring face scans of people to prove you're of age because they have explicit content.
		There are lyrics that are naughty and they don't want young people getting access to this.
		So I can certainly entertain, you know, in the meat space and physical world, if you go try and buy an explicit CD, which we don't anymore, you show an ID one time you walk out the door.
		What their companies are saying now is they want a permanent record of your ID and a picture of your face forever for this.
		That's where things start getting dystopian.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I know it sounds, it's literally in the Bible.
		I can hear Alex Jones screaming right now.
		But on the other, like, what are they supposed to do?
		If you go to like a porn site and it says, you promise you're over 18?
		I don't want a 14-year-old, a 12-year-old clicking that and saying yes.
		So I think facial recognition is a good solution.
		And why are these losers playing these stupid video games every Detroit Become Human, whatever the hell it's called?
		And you're watching some, the girls look pre-pubescent with big breasts.
		And you're playing these games for six hours a day.
		Like, that's a separate topic, but we're arguing about loser rights.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's true, though, but it's also guns, right?
		Earlier this year, we were hearing that Visa and MasterCard were blocking transactions of guns.
		And that's why Kevin Kramer said, okay, we can't allow payment processors to block the sale of legal products.
		It's interference.
		But the bill never went anywhere.
		And I'll ask you, let me add this.
		This is what's crazy.
		So, this morning, we put out, we reached out to all these members of Congress, senators, people in the House.
		We know a lot, and they're all excited, saying, We want to talk about the Pelosi Act, we want to talk about insider trading.
		And we were like, awesome, awesome.
		We also want to talk about this bill that would stop the credit card processors from banning legal transactions.
		Everybody just stops responding.
		Just no more responses.
		You still there?
		Nothing.
		Just gone.
		Like, they don't want to go near this.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what you got to understand, too, is there's a bottleneck.
		So just like I was saying before with there's porn and CBD and the Israeli dudes and all these different people that deal on the outskirts of payment processing, they all meet at Visa and MasterCard.
		So if you're in the bad books here, no one can apply.
		It's a very elite, tiny group that controls all this.
		And what I think they are doing while holding the hands of the elites is Trojan horsing valid complaints.
		It is wrong for children to watch pornography.
		We got that.
		As parents, it all tugs at our heartstrings.
		So we agree.
		And then just like the Patriot Act, right?
		They can slowly expand the definitions of what unacceptable is until they control us all.
		So it's like holding someone at gunpoint, really, and saying, I'm going to hurt your kid unless you let me control your life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what the worst thing is?
		It unworked.
		There's a viral story right now where kids have been using video game characters to bypass the facial scans.
		So Discord apparently had some like age verification thing, and they used the video game Death Stranding and Norman Reedas.
		They used his face and it's got something called photo mode so you can make him look and open his mouth and it worked.
		Not only that, I went on Gemini, Google's AI, and I typed in a video of a 35-year-old man looking at the camera.
		He looks left, he looks right, he opens his mouth.
		Now I can easily use that and plug it in to any of these facial scanners.
		It's not going to stop kids from getting access to it, but it is going to create a permanent database of all your private behaviors and actions.
		And they're going to exploit that data for malicious ends.
		It's getting creepy.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But another thing the childless forget, though, is that young kids don't want to see porn.
		Like the left always goes, they can get around it.
		Trust me, your eight-year-old has seen a lot of gangbanging.
		And you're like, no, no, I don't think my eight-year-old has seen any of that.
		I remember when I showed my five-year-old The Croods, this is a long time ago.
		And there's some romantic relationship with the teenage girl and some guy.
		And I remember as a five-year-old, he would put his hand over his eyes during those scenes because even like that little bit of subtle romance was nauseating to him.
		So in a way, we also have to protect the kids from things they accidentally stumble into.
		That's why we have parental IMDb.
		Kids don't want to see this disgusting garbage.
		But again, I'm sick of those valid concerns being manipulated by leftists and globalists.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With your cancellation, I guess, it's one of the most persistent, right?
		I mean, you know, Alex Jones is back on X. He's fighting.
		They're coming after him.
		They're coming after him hard.
		But there are a lot of people who have made comebacks to a certain degree.
		But you were saying you're still banned on Twitter, on X?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I can't write my own company.
		I don't own.
		I can't write myself a check.
		If you gave me a pub, I wouldn't be able to process credit cards.
		I'd have to put it in my, you know, someone else's name, my wife's name or whatever.
		It is completely permanent.
		And insiders at YouTube have told me that like, no, there's no redemption.
		There's no coming back from this.
		You're on the permalist.
		It must be Proud Boys.
		It must be like they're considered a terrorist group in Canada and New Zealand.
		So if I get on there and I go, hey, Proud Boys, go blow up ice or something.
		And they do that, then they're culpable, I guess.
		I don't know.
		They think I control the Proud Boys like little marionettes.
		I think it's not changing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is really weird.
		I wonder if this is going to shift, though, if it's going to change.
		It does seem like we, like the more freedom-oriented, it's interesting.
		It's like libertarian to conservative spectrum-ish, not necessarily everybody conservative, but there was a lot of freedom element in there, has been winning.
		Woke has been failing.
		I mean, the Sydney Sweeney ad.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Sidney Sweeney ad was a biggie.
		Look, our show we did last Saturday was a biggie.
		There was three idiots there.
		Some fat NPC chick who didn't say a word.
		Some guy who says, don't tolerate fascists in any form and tells everyone that tells you to eat a D because you're a fascist and we should tip the guys.
		And then some other dude who is just standing there holding a sign.
		And that was everyone who was there to protest.
		So there's definitely a major culture shift.
		Anthony Cumia yesterday was saying it's like hair bands where they were getting so bad with like post-Cinderella, Striper, whatever, that grunge had to come.
		It had to happen.
		So we're in the Nirvana phase of hair rock.
		It's definitely at dinosaur extinct levels.
		But there'll still be people on the outskirts that will never be invited back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you recently tried to remedy any kind of the debanking stuff you've dealt with?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Not recently.
		I think I applied to PayPal because we thought we could sue them.
		So that's still being mulled over.
		But I don't know.
		Like a cop recently, I invited him on my podcast.
		He goes, no, man, you're on a list.
		I've never seen a list like that before.
		I'll try again, but I also don't want to rock the boat.
		Like our app is just floating there, barely available.
		And if we change one thing, it's sort of like, you know, when you're a little kid and you're up past your bedtime and you're watching TV and you go and itch your nose and then your dad's like, oh my God, look at Prime Minister boy.
		Time for BED.
		Let's go.
		That's where I live.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You just don't say anything and hope they don't notice.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sitting on the couch next to my parents like this, watching like BJ and the Bear, petrified someone's going to see that I'm up past my bedtime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it can only be the Proud Boys because I don't think you're saying anything or you tend to say anything that is more egregious than some of the more egregious people that are actively on X and other platforms right now.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a race-mixing Zionist, libertarian, socially libertarian.
		I want strong borders.
		So did everyone a few years ago.
		I mean, it's like you, even Alex Jones, like these people are all moderates.
		There's very few radicals.
		Nick Fuentes is very radical when it comes to Israel and Jews, but he's pretty moderate with everything else.
		And that's where we're at now.
		And then you go look at their side and they're like pro-terrorism, pro-murder, kill Trump, all of this super, like, like there's they're the media is totally ignoring this trans domestic terrorism cult that's already killed six people just had Atifa bombing ICE and the media is like well you know you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet but anyway yeah you gotta swore this this store I think it was what upstate New York there's the the trans the the what's it called the
		ziz cult zizians zizians it's a literal cult with trans of transgender people and they've already killed law enforcement that's crazy they and you could argue that then they're killing their own that's the other thing about these radical lefties when you brainwash a kid into getting in a firefight with state troopers over in georgia because they want to build a training ground you've killed that kid you're responsible for that death if you're a bank robber and the getaway guy runs someone over you're responsible for that death so
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		they're not just responsible for killing innocent people they're killing their own yet we're the radicals i feel our comedy shows get canceled but this is actually pretty amazing because we uh we had a show last saturday uh you were on the panel we were debating uh whether trump was winning and uh we had a liberal guy who uh look bless his heart he was the one talking against what like everyone in the room was like now we're cool with trump and he was the only one and we needed that but what's fascinating is they canceled the show
		and you know my first reaction was i was like well we have gavin on we figure they're gonna they were gonna cancel us they bring the show back and then we find out no it was me not you they were targeting me and i was like oh wow i was like oh hey cool gavin you know you're in the clear they they weren't coming after you this time so it's surprising that we were able to win that so i'm wondering if if this is changing to a certain degree and what i will add is the whole antifa proud
		boys things is so weird because uh my understanding is that when first of all you had antifa going around firebombing torching burning destroying the proud boys only accidentally got involved in these in this in this protest stuff it was originally a joke i remember i interviewed you uh very briefly i think it was in the bay area and you were talking about aladdin and how it was a drinking club and it was just a gimmick and you were largely not involved then
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		they declared it a terrorist organization it's but it didn't it wasn't like it was a joke and then it became a white nationalist terror group that murders people for no reason it's still a joke at meetups they're still like walking around in in in that beaver costume the guy where you the the gas station what's his name bucky cheese whatever his name is oh yeah bucky's they're those costumes you know they're throwing plastic dicks at each other when they're passed out it's it's still uh uh uh can i say
		retarded it's still a retarded joke club uh but the media changes you know the media's perception and i can prove that it was and here's my proof proud boys never went to their things they always came to proud boys things and that's what people don't understand the amount of violence antifa was fomenting at all these events you were you either stood there sat there took it you took the pepper spray you took the flash bomb you took the rocks you know that lauren southern once said to me
		she goes i felt like a larper because i was wearing a helmet i had goggles on i had chest plates i had a gas mask i felt ridiculous like some sort of mad max cosplay and then they threw rocks at me they pepper sprayed me there was flash bombs i ended up using all the things that i felt stupid yeah having on my body so it was purely defensive if they said you want to go probably would say yeah we want to go but you got to understand that antifa is the paramilitary wing of the dnc and you can't mess with their
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		paramilitary wing or you're going to jail you know what i think it was is that the the proud boys was the boogeyman they were looking for with the far right because there's no actual prominent right-wing group going around doing anything that the right doesn't even protest all you know i was talking about this with even the issue of porn where you're going to find almost every person conservative right-leaning is going to say kids shouldn't have access to porn and there should be some restrictions but we don't think credit card companies should force the issue we think we should pass laws
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		and and win this one culturally whereas the left says now we'll show up bricks and molotovs and force you to do it no matter what you want to do so you can't even get the right to use power like trump won't even vote the insurrection act on these riots it's all about manipulation and i think the beauty of the pendulum swinging back the other way is we're done with that and not to harp on sydney sweeney but obviously they were aware of the double entendre and it could be seen as a eugenics thing but they were leaning into it like the
		analogies i was using the other day is say you had a commercial for white jeans and it was saying we were wearing white after labor day and the motto was it's okay to be white that would be uh an egregious ad but it would be them acknowledging that yeah i know you're going to twist this and i don't care so yeah we have to get to the point where we go yes i don't want kids watching porn i don't want them playing games with naked women in them but you're not going to use that against me and now put a chip in my hand right in order to protect my
		children stop trying to use my own you know patriarchal love for my family against me it is it is funny though because then you end up with like these creepy degenerates who make weird anime porn games standing next to you being like yeah you're right i agree with you and you're like oh god don't stand next to me i don't i don't like i don't like you but i'm in your side you know i'm on that's that's and you know what we need more of that believe it or not the left the right needs more unity
		the left has unity to a fault like they're down with pedophiles and violent terrorists and then we george santos spends Too much money on a chin job, and we throw him in jail for eight years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it was?
unidentified		A chin job.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he spent some campaign money getting a chin implant.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		It is funny because you've had a bunch of Democrats who could easily have been challenged or questioned, or Ilhan Omar, according to the Star Tribune, and I'm quoting the Star Tribune, may have married her brother.
		That's a quote from the Star Tribune.
		I'm not making that up.
		And they lose it.
		Hey, maybe we could investigate things like that, but you can't get unity from the Republicans on any of these things.
		They just, they can't do it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got about 1,100 days left where our guy is in control.
		So we better make, and this was his mistake in 2015, we better make some permanent laws, some permanent changes in order to fix this.
		Because without another term with a J.D. Vance or a Donald Trump Jr. or something, all of this hard work could be reversed.
		And we could go back to seeing, you know, Viola Davis in every action movie kicking the crap out of 50 Russian monsters.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She'll be the new James Bond.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Sydney Sweeney thing is actually really interesting.
		And they die.
		Yeah, and they're leaning in.
		I think they put out a statement.
		I'm not sure if it was them, but they said 70% of people responded positively to the ad.
		They liked it.
		But here's the crazy thing.
		Since when was genetics synonymous with eugenics?
		Simply mentioning that guys like big boobs and it's good genetics is not eugenics.
		They didn't say stop breeding with inferior breasts.
		They just said this woman's attractive.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The left is obsessed with eugenics and it's all they do is practice it.
		Why do you think they spend 50 grand a year on property tax up in Westchester, New York?
		Because they want to isolate themselves from the paupers, from the peasants.
		So they take it on the chin.
		They lose all this money in taxes so they can go to all white schools.
		All these liberals, all these ginos, Jews in name only, I call them, segregated, I mean secular Jews, they all send their kids to all white schools and then they empty their bank account, sending them to NYU for a quarter mil.
		Why do they do that?
		So they can get a degree in liberal arts?
		No, it's eugenics.
		They want their daughter to marry another rich person so they keep the money in the family.
		That's all, it's all genes.
		They're obsessed with eugenics.
		If any of these liberals had a boyfriend from the South Bronx or something, they'd be absolutely mortified.
		And it wouldn't be based on race.
		It could be a white kid from the South Bronx and they would slip their wrist because you just killed my genes.
		Let me know what I've been working on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to tell you.
		So I just recently had a kid.
		And we're in West Virginia, but we're probably like five, 10 minutes away from Loudoun County, which is the highest median income in the country, maybe the world.
		And so when we were planning how we're going to do this, I said, whatever it is we do, our doctor is going to be in Loudoun.
		We are going to go to the doctors that the wealthy elites of DC use.
		And here's the funny thing.
		So baby is born.
		She's healthy and happy.
		And I'm talking to you.
unidentified		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
		Talking to some people.
		And they said, did they force you to get a bunch of shots and vaccines?
		And I went, no.
		And they were like, they didn't?
		And I was like, no.
		They asked us, they said, here are the available vitamins and, you know, ointments and vaccines.
		And we said, which ones do you think are necessary?
		I think they were like, vitamin K, but you can do eye drops if you don't want to do a shot.
		And that's about it.
		And we were like, maybe we'll do the eye drops or something.
		And they were like, sure.
		And then I was talking to somebody who had a kid recently in West Virginia, and they were threatened by the hospital that they didn't give the kid a series of vaccines.
		They were going to be forcefully ejected.
		And the kid was getting those vaccines.
		And I'm not anti-vaccine in any way.
		I just take the recommendation to the doctors.
		But I do find it interesting that in the impoverished area, some 40, 50 miles away, the doctors were telling people, you can't leave or you can't take your kid until we do this and we will physically remove you.
		Then you go to the ultra-wealthy area and they're like, literally anything you want, you just tell us.
		And that's how it works for the rich people.
		That's how it works for the richest.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's the first page story on the New York Times in a perfect world.
		Where are the journalists covering stories like that?
		This vaccines for thee and not for me should be the biggest story of the year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was asked, they were like, wait, wait, wait, you didn't, what vaccines?
		I was like, I don't think, I don't know if we got any.
		I don't know.
		And they're like, wait, what do you mean?
		And I was like, I think we had a vitamin one.
		I'm not sure.
		They said, how did you do that?
		And I said, you want to know the secret?
		There's no, you just go to the rich doctor.
		Like where all these wealthy liberals live, go there because it's rules for thee and not for me.
		So just you're allowed to drive there.
		You're allowed to pull into the hospital and you're allowed to use that.
		Like there's no one telling you you can't.
		I'll say this because we got a couple of minutes left.
		There's a fascinating reality to class in this country and the world.
		And that is, if you're a server, if you serve people grilled cheeses at a diner on the south side of Chicago, congratulations, you're going to make 30, 40 bucks a day.
		If you go be a server at a diner, no formal training in a wealthy suburb or area like Loudoun County, you'll be making two, $300 a day because the food's going to be more expensive and the tips are going to be much higher.
		And it doesn't matter what, all that matters is where you are.
		I knew some chick who doesn't, she never did work.
		She has no job.
		What would she do?
		She said once a year, she calls one of her millionaire friends and asks them if they're in the market for any kind of art.
		And if they say yes, she then calls a broker and says, I got a guy who wants to buy, he's looking to spend $40 million.
		And they said, here's what we've got.
		She calls him and says, I got you set up, babe.
		We'll get it transferred.
		And then she gets 300 grand.
		Simply by knowing rich people.
		That's the crazy reality of it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, my Con Ed bills are about $40 a day to keep my house cool in the summer.
		At my studio in the South Bronx, it's about half that, but that's still 20 bucks a day.
		And I realized this morning that it used to be services are based on what you can afford.
		So the grilled cheese in your fancy neighborhood is going to be 15 bucks.
		At the deli in the South Bronx, it's going to be $7.
		But now utilities are based on what you can afford.
		You know, Han Edison is being like, oh, your house seems nice.
		Okay, $40 a day you got to pay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what else people don't realize?
		Have you noticed that in not every, but many cities that have tolls, it's always a toll on the way in, but never the way out.
		I remember because New York does this and San Francisco does it.
		And San Francisco, I think, was expensive.
		I don't know if it was like $15 or something.
		I think New York was like $10 or $15.
		And I was like, that's interesting.
		If you're a poor person and you want to drive into New York, you're going, oh man, but it's $15.
		I better not do it.
		But if you're a poor person in New York, you're like, it's free to leave.
		Just costs money to come in.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Get out of here.
		I've been riding my motorcycle this whole week with no helmet, not on the highway, but around South Bronx and Westchester.
		And I have my whole speech ready for when I get pulled over.
		And it's like, all I see is people of color not wearing a helmet.
		Half of them don't even have license plates on their motorcycle.
		Why are you punishing those who follow the rules?
		It's like immigration.
		You get a visa and a green card and then citizenship.
		You spend tens of thousands of dollars or you could just wander in.
		I'm sick of being punished for following the rules.
		I'm not doing it anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I do think we're winning, but we're just about out of time.
		Is there anything you wanted to say before we wrap up?
		Any final thoughts?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, please go to censored.tv.
		And yeah, that event we did on Saturday was super fun.
		I got a comedy special coming out that's going to be pay-per-view.
		And I seem to be getting calls to do comedy shows.
		So there's a lot of small indicators that the culture is changing.
		And I think academia, Canada will be the last to catch up.
		And movies.
		Those will be the last three groups to catch up to this anti-woke movement.
		But I think we're in a good spot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, man.
		Well, thanks for hanging out and sharing your insights.
		We'll see you next time.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have a go, man.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Cheers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course, that is Gavin McInnes.
		And man, nobody has been more debanked than him.
		And honestly, it's freaky and it makes no sense.
		There's a period where everybody in this space that was fighting against us knew the limits and they were concerned about it.
		When we had Alex Jones on the first time on Timcast IRL, we were talking about booking him and we knew he was persona non grata.
		I reached out to our Google rep, our YouTube rep, and I said, is there any rule against interviewing Alex Jones on our show?
		And they said, absolutely not.
		They said, you can absolutely bring him on, talk to him.
		He just can't have his own channel.
		I said, fantastic.
		We did the episode with Michael Malis and Alex Jones one week later.
		Not even a week.
		It was like four days.
		They deleted it.
		They made up some fake reason.
		They never explained to us why it was deleted.
		And they said, don't worry, it's just a warning.
		I immediately called Alex and Michael and said, come back.
		We're doing the show again.
		So we did.
		We did another show with Jones and Rogan.
		Our biggest show ever had, I don't know, it was like eight to 10 million views because it was Joe Rogan.
		Come on, it's easy.
		It's obvious.
		Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Luke Rutkowski, Drew Hernandez, Blair White, Michael Mez.
		It was nuts.
		Three years after it aired, they deleted it and they wouldn't tell me why.
		They said someone said something that was medical misinformation.
		And I said, BS.
		But you know what?
		I think things are changing.
		Our event got canceled on Saturday.
		And I thought it was Gavin.
		I was like, you know, we wanted to have Gavin there.
		And then they brought it back.
		And they were actually targeting me.
		Alex Stein, he was like, I've never seen someone get their venue back.
		We are winning.
		Sane, rational thought is winning.
		We haven't won completely, but we're winning.
		So I actually think anybody who knows the real story of the Proud Boys and Gavin, he's not a white supremacist.
		He's not white nationalist.
		It's insane.
		They just turned him into a boogeyman.
		By all means, he makes offensive jokes and you cannot like the guy.
		But there are substantially worse people.
		Seriously, I wonder if it's going to start turning around, especially for Gavin.
		So I do appreciate, Gavin, you coming on the show.
		For everybody else, we're going to gear up for that raid on Russell Brand, who they're also trying to cancel.
		It's insane.
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		We got another show coming up this Saturday at the DC Comedy Loft.
		And we have a prominent liberal, a big liberal that we're hoping will come on and join this police debate.
		Because we're having anarchist Michael Malis, who's pro-Trump, but critical of the police, with angry cops, Richard Haidt, a literal cop, and they're both absolutely hilarious.
		So I imagine this is going to be one of the funniest shows we do.
		And it's just about sold out.
		I think we're expecting 200 people.
		It's going to be just absolutely nuts.
		But I hope to see you there.
		It's going to get crowded.
		DC Commando's got a full kitchen.
	They got a bar.
	It's fantastic.
	You get wings.
	Last time we gave out, one of the employees on Saturday autographed a mustard.
	And then we were like, anybody who gets the autographed mustard wins.
	You win a signed skateboard deck, Step on Snack, I think it was.
	And so I guess somebody won it.
	I don't know.
	It's fun, though.
	So again, hang out with Russell Brand, guys.
	We're back tonight at 8 p.m. for Timcast IRL.
	Thank you so much for hanging out with us.

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