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June 12, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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RIOTS Spread Nationwide, ICE Raids RAMP UP As Dems BLAME TRUMP For Riots
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Tate Brown, I'm a producer at TimCast, as you might have guessed.
We have some monster stories today that we couldn't afford to miss, so yeah, like I said, he called me up.
We have Iran stoking, or potential war fears in Iran.
It's getting hot over there, so we're going to get into that.
We also have riots across the country.
They're going nationwide.
It's bad news.
But we're going to break it all down today and take you with me.
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But let's get into that first story.
We're talking riots.
Seattle, from the Postmillennial, ate arrested after rioters throw rocks, fireworks at Seattle cops during anti-Ice riot at Federal Building.
So as you've seen in Los Angeles, ICE started doing their thing and people aren't too happy about it.
And we've seen the past few days over the weekend.
It's getting really hot over there.
Trump obviously is sending the Marines, the National Guard.
Tim's been covering this with a very close eye.
It's starting to go nationwide.
We had Seattle, which if you know anything about Seattle, you know riots.
Kind of business as usual over there.
Last night we had some insane riots.
Eight people were arrested after fireworks and rocks were thrown at a police during an anti-ice riot.
On Wednesday night in Seattle, Washington.
These events took place outside the Henry M. Jackson Federal Building in downtown Seattle.
We got a video here, as Ari Hoffman put it, anti-ice activists and cosplay kefio wearers.
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So, as you can see here, the riots...
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
This has kind of turned into a broad anti-American riot or protest movement, whatever you want to call it.
That's a big problem, and that's part of the reason why Trump is coming down hard on this.
He wants to set the tone for the next four years and let people know that.
Hey, this isn't going to be tolerated.
Americans are sick of being bullied in their own country.
And so we're seeing here the event began at 7 p.m. with a rally at Cal Anderson Park in Capitol Hill, Capitol Hill, Washington, the site of the deadly 2020 Autonomous Zone.
Agitators carrying mass-printed signs, Mexican flags, and wearing keffias and face masks marched through Capitol Hill and First Hill before converging on the government building.
A police department had issued a community advisory earlier in the day warning of potential disruptions.
They moved to take precautions including securing garbage bins and movable objects.
Now, when your police department before a protest has to come out and secure garbage bins and movable objects, that's an indication that you guys aren't the good guys.
I mean, we're seeing here, I'm going to play a few of these videos the Postmillennial has for us.
This is so predictable at this point.
We see protests and you're seeing a lot of people on the left, they're like, oh, you're conflating protests and riot.
From our perspective, there is no difference, because every time there is a protest, it always devolves into violence, every single time.
So let's see what Katie Davis Court has for us here.
Here's another blockade.
Well, it opened the Twitter here, but...
Yeah.
When you hear a toddler in the kitchen, you hear that noise, you know, emergency.
So it's kind of funny.
These protesters are very infantilized.
Yeah, the protests in Seattle have taken a slightly different flavor.
If you saw the protests, riots in Los Angeles, you saw...
a huge concentration of Mexican protesters, Mexican nationalist protesters, donning American flags.
If you look throughout the footage last night from Seattle...
Now, people on the left have been saying, well, we need to improve the optics of these protests.
By optics, they mean it's a bad look that everyone in the protest is flying a Mexican flag.
It's really hard to make the pitch that you're looking out for Americans when you're flying a foreign flag.
Well, you move up to Seattle, where they're kind of riot specialists up there in the Pacific Northwest, and they all have these mass-printed signs.
They're very organized.
You have the Antifa element is really all out.
It's a huge departure from what we've seen in Los Angeles.
But the funny thing is this always happens with left-wing protests and movements.
Let's go to the top here from The Sun.
Suspected child molesters, murderers, and drug dealers arrested in L.A. ICE raids as riots spread to liberal hotbed Seattle.
Los Angeles ICE units have arrested dozens of suspected child molesters, murderers, and drug dealers during the violent riots.
We have some pictures here of the peanut gallery they've corralled.
We see this pattern continuing at the left where they tend to defend supervillain-level evil people, child molesters.
It kind of reminds me of the Kyle Rittenhouse situation where he fired indiscriminately, so to speak.
Or not indiscriminately, but he fired at three people that were attacking him, right?
And two of them ended up being pedophiles.
So we're starting to see a pattern here on the left that they really...
Again, we see this over and over again.
The liberal hotbed of Seattle was flooded with protesters overnight with images showing groups of demonstrators starting fires in the streets.
Spokane, New York City, Vegas, da-da-da-da-da.
We saw it with the Abrego-Garcia situation.
Now we're seeing it here.
The people they're going to bat for.
Are really nefarious people.
Really speaks to their morals.
You know, there is an interesting point to be made, which is perhaps they want to defend the worst elements because if they can successfully defend a child molester or a wife beater like Abreu Garcia, if they can successfully defend someone like him from attacks from the right, then everybody that's not as evil as them, so to speak, is fair game.
There could be something to that, but I don't think they're that calculated.
I think that just by nature of them being illegal, because, you know, people on the left kind of have this framework of big guy, bullying, small guy, it must be bad.
I mean, that's kind of every single issue in there.
And their ideological framework kind of devolves into that.
Well, it's like, okay, well, who's the big tough guy?
And then who's the little guy they're picking on?
And, of course, you're seeing the sort of rhetoric that people are using.
They're using Star Wars quotes saying, we're the rebellion, we're the resistance.
It's very predictable.
So this is how this, in my opinion, this is why this always happens.
As they are so warm to these elements of their movement, you know, right here I'll highlight it.
That's who's going to permeate it.
That's who's going to find refuge in the left.
It's going to be these really nasty, nasty people.
And another element that we're seeing is clandestine operatives, so to speak.
Here's from the Postmillennial.
ICE deports 122 Chinese nationals on high-risk flight, including convicted murderer and rapist.
So again, they're trying to make it sound like every single person that's being deported is like a little grandma somewhere.
And every time you look into it, who they're deporting, it's this type of situation.
I mean, 122 Chinese nationals.
I mean, China's a decent enough country.
If that's the case, why are they sneaking into our country?
Of course, ICE is getting the job done.
The effort included 96 men and 26 women.
Again, alludes to the point that most of these people that are here are young men that are – I think they're looking to mooch off of the hard work of Americans.
According to the press release from ICE, several individuals on board the special high-risk charter flight have been convicted of violent crimes, including a 47-year-old convicted of murder and a 27-year-old convicted of rape.
Others have been found guilty of drug trafficking, bribery, and human smuggling.
So I just want you guys to take note of that.
You should be fully acquainted with these individuals because you will see them on signs and candles at these riots because these are the type of individuals that they go to bat for.
It's very, very grim stuff.
And another point that needs to be made is even if they were deporting grandmothers and people that don't seem to be much of a threat, It doesn't matter.
They're still criminal.
They've still entered the country illegally.
That's a crime.
So even if it were the case, which is not, I think ICE has been targeting dangerous people.
Even if they were deporting people that were just here illegally and that was their only crime, so to speak, I don't think that matters.
I think Trump was given a mandate to deport mass deportations now.
It was on all the signs at the RNC.
I know you remember this.
And so this kind of little jig that they do where they're like, well, you know, he's going after, you know, the grandmothers and all that.
It's like, that's not an issue.
That's very popular.
I mean, that's his best issue.
Polling-wise, that's his number one issue is immigration.
People in America are tired of being ripped off.
We're tired of seeing our hard work get, we're starting to see.
So, yeah, this is great.
This is great that we're getting these dangerous people out, and this should be the priority.
But people on the left, when we eventually have to start deporting people that, again, like I said, the only crime they've committed is coming here illegally, it doesn't matter.
I mean, they're here illegally.
Any serious country would do this.
And with the L.A. riots, you're seeing these Mexican flags being flown.
I don't think that they really are here for the American dream.
I think that they're here as a part of a reconquista, so to speak.
We'll get into that later.
I just wanted to get to another story here.
This was just in, right before we started taping.
Alejandro Oriena.
It's arrested by the FBI for distributing a truckload of face shields to anti-remigration rioters, U.S. attorneys say.
So, yes, in these riots, in these protests, there are, and increasingly so, organized groups that are looking to amplify these riots, right?
They're coming in with money.
They're coming in with equipment.
This is happening.
This is an issue.
But I also want to touch on Even if there was no money behind any of these riots, even if there was no organization, these riots would still be happening.
That's the thing that a lot of people are missing.
And I think people on the right, they really want to look towards a boogeyman.
They really want to have someone to blame.
It's kind of a tough pill to swallow that there's a sizable chunk of people that are in this country right now that hate the United States of America.
They want someone to blame.
They want a figure to point the finger at.
They want someone to be able to put on trial and arrest and say, okay, now these elements are defeated.
These riots would still happen anyway.
The people that are protesting, they view themselves as Mexican.
They don't view themselves as American.
So even without face shields being distributed by the truckload, do you really think that these riots wouldn't be happening?
Do you think everybody would just sit home?
Not angry.
They're just being manipulated.
I don't think so.
I think that these people that are on the streets in Los Angeles are angry, and they don't need financial backing to get out on the streets.
That's something that doesn't seem to be the case whatsoever.
But speaking on the ICE-targeting criminals elements, we're seeing article after article.
This one's from Reuters.
U.S. immigration rate of Omaha meat plant cuts staff, fuels food production worries.
So, U.S. meat producer Glen Valley Foods was operating in Omaha, Nebraska facility, was operating a facility with about 30% of its staff on Wednesday after federal agents detained workers in an immigration raid the previous day, slashing the output of products it sells to grocery stores and restaurants, the company's president said.
In the wake of Tuesday's sweep by ICE, livestock traders and market analysts expressed concerns that the potential deportation of undocumented workers from such raids could disrupt U.S. food production at a time when beef prices have soared and meat processors report a labor shortage.
So do you see what's happening here?
The wordplay occurring in this article.
This is a very, very, very veiled threat in the sense of if That is the implication that is being made here, maybe not personally by the author, but you're seeing article and article after this, and you're seeing this where they point to these different industries where they say, if you get rid of illegal immigrants, if you deport them, these industries will collapse.
And it's a threat.
They're saying that, no, you have to keep these people here or this will happen to you, that you'll have food shortages.
You don't want food shortages, do you?
Well, you better suck it up and let these people stay.
That's not how you communicate a message through threats.
And it really alludes to the fact that we really do need to re-industrialize the country, that we need to have Americans working in these key roles.
Because if this is true that a – I mean you basically throw a dart at a map, Omaha, Nebraska, and they raid a meatpacking facility, and they're down to 30 percent of their staff, that's a huge problem.
So yes, while it's definitely upsetting to see that these pundits and outlets are sort of threatening Americans by saying, well, you don't want to starve to death, do you?
Well, you better keep these people here.
It also is kind of – No, as an American, it's your patriotic duty to hire Americans.
I don't even say it's your patriotic duty.
I think it's just expected, right?
That's not fair to Americans to compete against the entire world for jobs.
I mean, we had this blow up in December over the H-1B visas where figures on the right had a meltdown because we wanted to cut H-1B visas.
We were saying, look, we're tired of Americans being forced to compete with the world for labor.
That's a game we're not going to win.
Our labor is better.
I mean, we went to the moon.
Look at the photos and see what American labor and ingenuity will get you.
But when it comes to industries like meatpacking, accounting is really what defines a successful business.
And so getting labor costs down as much as possible really is the priority for these business owners.
And so, yes, this definitely should be a wake-up call for business owners.
And this is also why E-Verify needs to be standard practice across the country.
This one hit a little close to home.
Here's from Carlos Tercios.
Downtown San Antonio has been occupied by radical anti-ice protesters waving enemy flags.
There is a heavy police presence and Antifa Marxists have been spotted.
Streets have been shut down.
Let's take a look here Occupied Occupied Well, Carlos with the punchy commentary there.
This is Texas, right?
You've been hearing for years, and I love, I'm going to, full disclosure, I went to high school in San Antonio, so this hits very close to home.
But there's kind of this false sense of security that people on the right lure themselves into, where they say, well, try that in Texas, or try that in a small town.
They're trying it, and they're doing it, right?
Like, we're seeing here, they're marching right by the Alamo.
And then here's from Taylor Hansen.
Guns are out and visible at the San Antonio anti-ice demonstration.
He's saying that a local militia is attempting to keep the peace between counter-protesters, the Trump flags, and anti-ice demonstrators.
So this is where the try that in a small town does reign true because we're seeing that citizens are having to go and maintain the peace.
While I'm not necessarily recommending forming local militias.
It does show that Americans are sick and tired of this.
And this is where the beauty of red states comes through because you do have the right to carry.
You do have the right to defend yourself.
And part of the reason California is going so crazy, part of the reason Seattle is going so crazy, is because they know that really they're only – Well, you try that in San Antonio, you know, you're going to be met with some resistance.
Because like I was saying earlier, Americans are very angry about this.
This is Trump's biggest, hottest issue is immigration.
And people also are seeing what's happening in Los Angeles and they're saying, no, this is not going to happen in San Antonio, right?
We have order to maintain here.
But like I was touching on earlier with the elements backing these riots, while yes, they exist, yes, it's a problem, yes, Antifa is a huge problem.
Like I said earlier, I went to high school in San Antonio.
Most of my friends and people I was around were of Mexican extraction, and the majority of them were very patriotic.
The majority of them are Americans.
I mean, identifying as Mexican would be ridiculous.
They're Americans.
I mean, they have a Spanish last name, and that's pretty much where it ends.
They've been here for three, four generations, and they would proudly identify as Mexican.
And whenever we would have sort of classes going through Texas history, because that's mandatory in Texas, you would always have people push back and they would say, well, you know, Texas used to be Mexican land.
California used to be Mexican land.
And this is such a ridiculous anti-historical story.
Because as we see here, Alta, California, this was the state's territory of Mexico that they're claiming gives them the right to the land.
You can see here the vice royalty of New Spain.
That's like a history lesson here, sorry.
The Mexican Empire and Mexico.
So this was a 30-year sort of transition from Spanish colonial territory to Mexican territory, Mexico.
What do you see here?
1804 to 1836.
So their entire argument of California being rightful Mexican territory is predicated on 32 years of Mexican rule.
That's absolutely absurd because these are the same people that will point to indigenous land claims, so to speak, and they'll say, well, no, they were here first, so that gives them the right.
California is a Spanish name.
So you have these people that are coming in and they're claiming, well, California is rightful Mexican territory.
And then they're completely stomping all over the indigenous claims of the land.
This is a really funny situation because, A, it's ahistorical.
America has been in control of California for two centuries, almost two centuries.
So, no, it's our land.
Sorry.
If anything, we probably should have anglicized the names.
We probably should have just called it St. Francis instead of San Francisco.
But, you know, we like history.
We're Americans.
But then they're also just stomping all over these indigenous land claims that have been made for, you know, when you go to these college campuses or these Democrat, local state Democrat.
You know, rallies or whatever, and they're like, I want to open up with acknowledging that this was such and such land.
Well, that's out the window.
Now colonialism's back in.
It's back on the menu.
You know, a lot of you guys have been waiting for this.
You're probably pretty excited to hear.
Yes, colonialism is the new flavor of the month.
So if you are trying to make the claim that Mexico is entitled to the entire southwest United States, time to brush up on your colonial history.
Another interesting element that's happened since these riots have broken out is the right has actually kind of reunited.
We had this spat with Elon and Trump.
It was pretty ugly.
Everyone hated to see it.
Everyone's rallying around the flag again, and they're pushing issues that a lot of people on the right have been pushing for years.
You're seeing mainstream figures here.
Like Matt Walsh, Charlie Kirk, kind of these titans of conservative commentary.
Charlie Kirk, it's time to ban third world immigration, legal or illegal.
We've reached our limit.
We have a huge cultural, educational, housing, and financial and essential services problem to fix now because of it.
We need a net zero immigration moratorium with a ban on all third worlders.
Matt Walsh kind of echoing the same sentiment in the tweet he's quoting.
This is massive because a lot of us have been saying this for years.
And I recall three, four years ago, if you were to pitch an immigration moratorium, you would get in a lot of trouble, right?
If you were to say, we need to ban on all third worlders, that would be a huge problem.
Not just from the left.
The left's going to be mad if you try to reduce immigration at all.
But even on the right, I mean, that would have put you on a list.
So it's really cool.
I'm giving credit to these guys that...
But the thing is, you're seeing a lot of people on the right, particularly on the further extremities of the right, they're throwing a hissy fit over this.
They're saying, oh, Kirk and Walsh, all of a sudden they've come around and now they're parroting our issues.
And just take the W, right?
Like, if this is your issue and you have mainstream figures adopting it, shouldn't you be happy?
But no, it's like this contrarianism that persists on the right where it's like constant skepticism, constant fear, and they always assume they're getting duped.
I mean, you're seeing Kirk, Walsh, Jack Posobiec, a lot of them were echoing the sentiment.
And you saw these tweets where they would screenshot these guys'tweets and they would say, yeah, it looks like some sort of organized effort to push an agenda.
And you should be really excited.
Like, what is the dupe here that they're moving to the right?
Has that ever been an agenda of con ink, so to speak?
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, these guys need to learn how to take a W, take the win.
So, yeah.
Well, we're going to shift gears here a little bit.
Obviously, the big story breaking yesterday was, well, a breakdown in the Middle East.
Here's from Reuters.
UN nuclear watchdog says Iran, or Iran, I never know what you're supposed to say.
in breach of obligations, Iran announces countermeasures.
So the situation over there, if you've been keeping an eye on it, you've actually seen that it has been...
You know, the agreement was Steve Whitcoff, our special envoy, was going to meet with the Iranian delegation.
They were going to have six talks.
And the first three talks went pretty well out of reports that we were hearing.
The last three, or sorry, the sixth round is going to happen.
Then the next two didn't go so hot.
The sticking point was the Trump administration is asserting that nuclear enrichment cannot happen, right?
It's a non-negotiable.
They will not enrich uranium.
And, of course, the Iranians, what's the one line in the sand for them?
They want to enrich uranium.
So you're looking at this immovable force and unstoppable force, immovable object.
And yeah, it's, it's, This kind of felt inevitable that there would be a breakdown.
But the curious thing is this is on the backs.
I think Axios had a report out like two weeks ago saying that Israel was considering striking Iran.
And then we get – yesterday we get reports that there's evacuations occurring at embassies in Kuwait, Bahrain, and Iraq.
They're either giving the order to evacuate or they're telling them to prepare to evacuate non-essential staffs.
That's like military families, janitors, that sort of thing.
But it's a very scary thing.
But we got this from the Jerusalem Post yesterday.
Israel is considering striking Iran in the coming days without U.S. support.
This comes shortly after a CBS report in which multiple sources stated that Israel has told U.S. officials that it is fully ready to launch an operation into Iran.
Iran's military has begun drills earlier that focused on enemy movements, according to their state media.
So, yeah, it looks like Israel and the U.S., that relationship, is not the relationship those two countries have had previously.
Israel isn't really waiting for the green light.
They're not waiting for the green light from the Americans, right?
They're ready to go.
They're ready to strike.
And this is why the Iran talks are really important, because if we can potentially come to a deal, cut a deal with the Iranians that is acceptable for both parties, we could balance out the situation in the Middle East, right?
All this sort of saber-wagging from Iran would probably come to a close.
That's what we need, but then you see Israel coming in here, and who knows who they reported this to or how this news got out, but that Israel is considering striking.
Now, what this appears to be is that Israel perhaps knows that the Americans are close to a deal with the Iranians, and they're trying to put pressure on both parties to walk away from the negotiating table.
This may be the case.
I'm not sure.
I mean, obviously you would need to be in these rooms to know if that's the case.
But nevertheless, very interesting if the Israelis decide that now is the time to strike.
This is kind of coming down to a breakdown.
There's sort of a break between the older generations in D.C. and the younger generations in D.C. The older generations in D.C. still subscribe to sort of a unipolar worldview, as in where the Americans are the sole superpower.
And the younger generations kind of understand that after the Soviet Union fell, it was kind of impossible for the Americans to maintain their position, our position, our position.
As the world police.
And so, yeah, this breakdown has occurred and you're starting to see now this kind of tug between the older generation and the younger generation in D.C. And it looks like, thankfully, Trump and Vance have come down on the side of reasonable geopolitics.
They understand that the Iranians need to be sort of respected.
You can't just stomp all over these countries like you used to because nobody wants a nuclear war, especially not me.
But, yeah, so – I want to have a chat with him.
I want to break down this Iran stuff more.
I had some more stuff I wanted to get into.
But yeah, I really wanted to bring him in to have a chat.
We're going to break down, you know, is a war with Iran really what we need right now?
Is it a distraction?
Maybe they're trying to take heat off of, like I was touching on earlier, how the right sort of uniting around limiting immigration.
It's tough to tell, but – Let's see, we're getting him up here.
John, can you hear me?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Dude, what's up, Patriot?
How's it going?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Dude, I'm having a very patriotic morning.
I hope that everybody is as well.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, so why don't you give a little introduction to the people watching, who you are.
Sure.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
My name is John Doyle.
I have a show over on YouTube called The John Doyle Show.
I guess it used to be called Heck Off Commie.
And I talk about politics.
We go in pretty deep with a lot of different topics, cultural, political, historical, things like that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, good stuff.
Well, you told me pre-show that you're banging the war drum.
You're ready to go to war with Iran.
You're really excited about that.
Can you explain your position?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you know, on principle, I'm sort of opposed to more involvement in the Middle East and wars.
But I've been hearing about war with Iran ever since I was a boy.
You know, you grow up.
Like, you know, our dads, every time they went to go buy a gun, they were buying the 1911, like the toys.
We grew up playing with the M9s.
And I want to get in, dude.
Like, I wasn't old enough to go over and participate in the global war on terror.
And so I'm crossing my fingers that, yeah, finally we get war with Iran.
Finally we get boots on the ground.
Because they've been guaranteeing it for, I mean, literally our entire lives now.
I saw a graphic on Twitter where people were – And it's basically been like if you squint your eyes, the same thing for over 20 years now in terms of, oh, they're on their way to getting a nuke.
They're on their way.
We have to.
And so all of that is alluding to this idea that like.
Israel would be able to attack Iran, and then the United States, of course, would back Israel up.
But thankfully, I don't think that that's going to have to happen because I think that right now U.S.-Israel relations are probably the weakest they've been at any point in our lifetimes, which Patriots knew was going to happen going into the second Trump administration because Trump is like really an America first guy.
He'll do business with different factions as you do in politics.
Probably what will happen is you may see some strikes.
You may see Iran try to mobilize proxies, as they have been.
They've been pretty destroyed because of the IDF.
So this idea that America would have to get involved, I think, is pretty unlikely for the reasons I've stated, and also because the stability of Iran as a state is something that I think people take for granted.
They're very unstable.
They're politically unpopular.
Their economy is unstable.
The idea that they could rally the troops and go to war and maybe get Russia and China, who have no interest in war, let alone a world war, to back them up.
They have no allies.
It's not a big deal, but it gets good engagements on Twitter.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, because that's kind of the talks right now is if this does break down, if Whitcoff isn't successful in coming to a deal, there's the snapback resolution that's within the – The US actually withdrew from this agreement, so I think we would just bully the UK into doing it.
And it's interesting because right now it doesn't look like China has an appetite to try and start a veto process if this were to happen, and who knows if Russia is.
So, I mean, if Iran can even get their dogs in a line with their supposed, you know, This kind of new axis.
I don't see why we should be too afraid of a massive world war breaking out if we just choose not to engage with Iran.
But something I wanted to ask you was – The first three seemed to go pretty well.
We were seeing reports that it was fruitful, that they, you know, were starting to kind of find some common ground.
But the fourth and fifth ones looked to go pretty badly.
I know the one in Rome, I think that was the fifth talk.
The Iranian state media was reporting that Whitcoff left early and that he showed up late.
It's Iranian state media, so take that for what it's worth.
But my question is if the negotiations aren't going the way that we want them to, I know we have another round of discussions coming up on Sunday.
What is the off-ramp for the United States?
if this does look like Israel is going to strike?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's a good question.
I think that in a way, like...
I mean, Israel is very politically unstable.
They have a similar demographic issue to the one that we face in the West.
Insofar, I mean, their TFR is high, their total fertility rate, but they have a lot of diversity there.
They have a left just as we do.
And Netanyahu is not exactly like a popular leader.
And so it is advantageous for him to sort of unify the coalition against some common enemy.
And I think you see the same in Iran where it's like...
Their TFR is like 1.6 or something.
Their people are not exactly of great stock.
They're not exactly patriots.
And so for a regime that is unpopular as they are dealing with protests all the time, it's the same sort of strategy where, like, if you can present this sort of, like, unified, you know, coalition against a common threat, then they can maybe, you know, keep kicking along.
I don't think that either party has an incentive to really back down.
How America can kind of get off from that, I think, is just simply by being a patriot and trusting Donald Trump.
I mean, he understands.
That we can't get into another war.
He understands that he ran against that.
I mean, that was the record of his first administration was de-escalation in the Middle East, famously not starting any new wars, famously changing the regime change policy against Assad in Syria.
So in terms of the mechanics of that, I don't know if I could predict what it would look like, but I do actually trust Trump in advance, especially, I mean, if you look at his record on foreign policy, it's exactly what we'd want it to be.
So I trust that they will not get America deep.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, that's what everybody's been saying.
It's kind of a scratch my eye seeing some people that I would not expect to say this, saying, well, how does this involve us?
on the other side of the world.
I mean, they don't seem to use...
I mean, they seem pretty content on operating in their sphere.
Because that was another question I wanted to ask you was, you know, we're kind of seeing on the macro scale in geopolitics, you're seeing this push and pull between the establishment in D.C. and the new MAGA movement, where the establishment is still committed to this 20th century American unipolar sort of worldview.
And the MAGA movement, while, yes, they're emphasizing America's strength, they're saying...
I'm curious, now that we're seeing this kind of fracturing, right?
We're seeing Russia, Iran, China really start to operate independent of anything, any fears, really, of America retaliating.
Where do you think this goes?
I mean, do you see the Trump administration really starting to retract from the world stage or do you think there's maybe something in between?
I don't know.
I'm curious of your thoughts.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, I think that we have a more...
So insofar as we have power and influence in the world right now, that's great, I guess, to some extent.
I mean, people having faith in the dollar that sustains our lifestyle.
But with that, you have...
And so they're going to import tens of millions of people from the third world.
They're going to allow crime.
They're going to install district attorneys who refuse to prosecute crime to, like, lower the quality of life that we would experience as Americans.
And so I'm confident in the ascendant, like, new right leadership class because these are guys who – and because Trotskyites are Marxists, they retain this blank slate, libtard, everybody's equal idea.
Which then can be channeled into their impulse to world build and nation build.
Because if we're all equal, well then our Western liberal democracy certainly can be exported to these areas in the Middle East or in Africa or where have you.
And so I think that it's really just a numbers game.
They're going to be old and they're going to die and retire.
And the people who would replace them are going to be people who understand what the issues are, what we have to do.
And the only problem there is that we are also playing our own numbers game.
Against the open border.
And so that's why this administration is a very crucial sort of turning point for patriots because The question will be, can we get enough of these people out of the country in time before, God forbid, Democrats get back into power and just amnesty them and then consolidate political power?
And then it doesn't even matter if young conservative guys understand what we have to do.
The hurdles that will then be put in place are going to be so impossible that achieving some kind of practical in-our-lifetime solution is going to be very difficult.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of a good segue to what I was hitting on earlier, where you're seeing really mainstream figures.
I was pointing out Charlie Kirk, Matt Walsh.
These types of guys, they're advocating for an immigration moratorium, which when I saw that pop up in my feed, I thought it was maybe like a screenshot that was altered in some way.
I couldn't believe it because that's a policy that even if you advocated for like three, four years ago, it would get you – And now you're seeing really mainstream figures advocate for this.
I mean, what does that say about the mood of MAGA right now and the mood of the country at large?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
People are just waking up, man.
I think you and I actually talked about this when I was in town.
It was Trump coming down the escalator, and then very importantly, it was Tucker's run.
In the summer of love in 2020 that really woke a lot of people up.
And I'm not a real big fan of this idea that if the people wake up, then we can change things.
But the people who you want to wake up are the people who are above average intelligence, who are working in these kinds of positions.
It doesn't really matter if your average American is fully tuned into what we have to do.
But you want smart people to be sympathetic to your ideas and to understand them.
And what's happened is because all of these things that have been promoted by the left have created very bad circumstances for younger people, for Americans in general, it's kind of given people sort of a permission to entertain ideas that – But because guys like Tucker Carlson, who are like smart and he has an audience of, you know, a lot of boomers, but there are also like a lot of people in D.C. who like him and who respect him, working a daily caller.
And so it really was a matter, I think, of just like big people with big platforms kind of just like having a little bit of a go-off moment and saying what everybody else was thinking.
And now that it's out of the box, I mean, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, so to speak.
You cannot unsee what people are now seeing.
And even Hispanics are getting it.
Like, Hispanics are probably the most likely, especially maybe the Nortenia variety, to, you know, be what we would understand as assimilated.
But even now, like, MAGA patriots are like, no, send them all back.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
The food's not even good.
Yeah, I saw Walsh's rant on the timeline about Mexican food.
I have to agree.
I think Tex-Mex is the superior cuisine.
I've been to Mexico.
I've had the local food.
It's just corn-based, starch-based, and some sort of meat.
I mean, it's really very straightforward.
Yeah, I think what we're kind of seeing here with the LA riots and then the Iran war, we're kind of seeing the two biggest pieces in why this country has been screwed over for decades.
And these are very salient for young people.
I mean, we've known this.
If you're a young right winger, you've known these two issues, the foreign wars and the mass immigration are the two issues that have really boned us.
It's interesting to see older people actually, you know.
But it's really fascinating to see that we're seeing on full display.
You would think that one of our guys paid for these two to be on the news because it's just the perfect culmination of everything that's gone wrong.
What do you think the pathway forward is for young people?
It's kind of tough because it feels like we're getting shut out of a lot of these institutions, right?
It kind of feels like a lot of older folks in D.C. are digging their heels in.
But you're starting to see now older folks are kind of coming to issues that have been pushed by younger patriots for a long time.
So I'm kind of curious, what do you think the future is after the older generation kind of dies off?
What kind of elements do you expect to see rise?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, man.
I think that, honestly, it's our fight to lose.
I'm seeing a lot of guys who like five years ago, I remember we talked about this like five years ago, they were like, you know, watching content like mine, watching, you know, all the content online.
And now they go and they work in DHS or they work in the Trump admin.
And so like these are guys who had an interest in politics and they're passionate about it.
And they simply were smart, kept their nose clean.
And now they're like in positions where they are able to make decisions that are important.
And so I really think that like the issues that we've experienced as a movement.
With like gatekeeping and sort of editorializing has really decreased in a very positive way, just like the last two or three years.
And you do have like maybe newer iterations of that that are not so good.
Like you have a lot of these institutions which are staffed by women.
And I'm not saying that in the sense that like we don't want women in politics.
I'm saying that what tends to happen is when women get involved in these things and they hear ideas that are like maybe edgy or something, it makes them uncomfortable.
It becomes an HR problem.
And so they're just like little things like that.
But other than that, I think that it's ripe for the picking.
And so that's why I think the advice has kind of shifted in the last couple of years from, you know, don't go to college, go be a plumber and make 80K and then, you know, ruin your body by age like 45 or something.
It's shifted to instead, like, go to college, get a law degree, you know, try to reach as high as you can, basically, because there are going to be opportunities opening up, I think, because the establishment is weak, man.
The ability of the right to put this back is probably gone.
I think they really tried literally everything in the lead-up to the 2024 election.
But now with somebody like Vance, who's very popular, and he's very talented, and he's a great speaker, and people like him, he's normal.
I mean, he goes on these podcast tours, and he does a great job.
And also with the unpopularity of Democrat, not only policies, but their parties, they have absolutely no talent.
It's looking good for Patriots right now.
And I think that Vance is really the only person I trust to continue whatever vector this is.
And I find it very likely in the event that that happens, God willing, more opportunities are opened up for Patriots down the road.
So, yeah, if you're a young guy listening, put down the wrench, dude.
Go get a law degree.
Go work for the Trump admin or the Vance admin.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, this is kind of created an interesting scenario where you have – and you're very familiar with them.
I won't name names.
And it's actually a pretty big tent of people that are seeing – You're seeing people really upset with figures like J.D. Vance demonstrating such a rhetoric upgrade from what we've seen from any politician.
And they're like nitpicking and they're crossing their arms like, well, no, we can't trust them because they're unifying.
And I'm sitting there thinking like – I don't know.
I know you've seen these sorts of people throwing a hissy fit as well.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's like, do you want the ball moved down the field or do you want to be a fanboy?
That's what it is.
I hate myself for using this example, but it's like people that listen to Bleach.
Just like mad at everyone who just got turned on by Nevermind or something.
They're like, I was a fan before.
It's like, okay, cool.
I don't know if I can use colorful language.
That's like what it is, dude.
And it's like, also, we're in our 20s, okay?
Death of the West came out in, what, 2002?
It was a New York Times bestseller.
None of us invented, like, immigration restrictionism.
Technology has sort of destroyed the ability for these old publications, be it Fox News, National Review, to kind of control the conversation.
And so now the good ideas are finally winning.
Unfortunately, because the conversation is uncensored, you get a lot of really retarded ideas, too.
But the good ideas are winning and that's what matters.
And so, yeah, it's like, you know...
Yes.
Can we complain about that?
You can always complain about anything.
But if you just look at where we are now versus where we are one year ago or five years ago, think in terms of decades, dude.
There's no reason to despair.
And even with some of these guys, like Charlie Kirk, for example, I don't even know if that guy's 30 years old yet.
Charlie Kirk, he's probably like 31, 32. They play these clips of him in 2018 when he was younger than I am now, I think.
Probably even younger than you.
And this is a guy who dedicated his 20s to building up Turning Point USA and building it into now, like, the largest, frankly, coolest sort of, like, young college organization for patriots.
He's been doing great work for Trump.
This is a guy who didn't exactly like have time to like lurk on the internet, read the books, do stuff like that.
He was rubbing shoulders with all these like normal GOP apparatchiks and he's like, oh yeah, well I'm going to kind of internalize the party messaging and I'm going to use that to build an organ for us and we're going to take down the socialists.
It's like, you can explain that in a way that's like charitable and not nefarious.
Like it's tougher to think that he was like rubbing his hands together the whole time like I'm going to control the right.
I don't want to get anybody in trouble, but I happen to know that in 2020, certain figures were asking certain figures for book recommendations.
Hey, what's going on?
And so some of us just sort of had a delayed onset red pill.
Some of us were like late bloomers.
And now that we're there, it's like, great, dude.
Welcome to the team.
Who cares?
You're doing great work.
Did great work for Trump.
And by the way, Charlie Kirk was the only patriot who stayed loyal to Trump fall 2022.
I mean, this guy was in that donor circle, people whispering in his ear, cozy up to DeSantis, abandoned Trump.
Charlie Kirk could have done that.
I mean, he would have had a financial incentive to do that.
He would have had probably a social incentive.
He stayed loyal to Trump when Trump was bleeding allies.
Never Trump media was turning on him.
Neo, never Trump.
Alternative media like Daily Wire was turning on him, propping up DeSantis.
And we saw this happening in 2021 when all of a sudden all this media was like, oh, DeSantis is really good.
He's like Trump, but effective.
I was like, what is this?
What's going on?
And then sure enough, they tried to primary Trump.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Matt Walsh, again, you can find hit pieces on Matt Walsh from 2011 where he's like the Anglo-Saxon character of the nation.
So it's like the idea that like these guys are less red pilled than, you know, some like 17 year old from Ecuador is just like not true, dude.
So at a certain point you just have to maybe, Like, okay, if I were in this guy's position, what would I do?
Say, if I'm Charlie Kirk, I'm Matt Walsh, I'm like this big figure, a lot of audience, a lot of influence.
Do I get up there and do I just like, you know, recite an infographic from 4chan?
Or do I maybe have to exercise a little prudence and a little discipline?
And as a result, they're doing great work.
And everybody who's hating on them is not doing great work.
I like winners, okay?
I like guys that win.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I like winners.
Speaking of winning, you know, a couple people have raised fears that now that the ICE raids are ramping up, the big, beautiful bill does look like it may pass, actually.
With $150 billion-odd allocated towards ICE, if this bill passes, let's say, August, September, it's on the president's desk, there is fears that ramping up ICE raids to an insane degree right before the midterms, You know, I'm thinking, well, immigration is a really popular issue.
So in theory, it should actually help us.
But people are still susceptible to seeing these really grim imagery, you know, people like moms getting dragged out of cars and that sort of stuff.
And think about a thousand Abrigo Garcias every day.
I don't know.
Do you think Americans are ready for that?
It's tough to tell.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Dude, I honestly, I think that we've got a pretty strong stomach.
I think that Stephen Miller was very smart to begin the operations with violent criminals because the left, of course, weren't able to help themselves.
And so they had like the Maryland man and that's 13 gang member.
And we all had to cry about this guy because it was so sad.
And now people have kind of built up a tolerance to that to where at a certain point.
At a certain point, independent voters, immigration is very important to them.
Conservatives, obviously, is very important to us.
And the alternative being the Democrats, they're unpopular.
They have nothing to run on.
So if we're just like staking midterms based on how compelled Americans are going to be by like foreign tiers...
They just don't really have the energy like they had in Trump's first election, where, you know, in 2018, excuse me, 2019, they were marching and they had the women's march and streets were flooded.
And streets are flooded now because of, you know, illegal alien deportations.
But those aren't people who always vote the same way.
Sure.
That we rely on Democrats or, you know, independents to vote for us.
So I think that it's kind of like a now or never thing.
I mean, we could try to maybe be a little bit strategic with it, but, you know, at the end of the day, we have so many people here.
We need to get started, like, as soon as possible and prepare for some sort of nightmare scenario where patriots are no longer in control in 2029.
And so we may as well try to put a dent in now.
And I think that his record stands for itself.
And the opposition, again, they have no talent.
They have no energy.
It's just anti-Trump.
And that worked, I think, in 2019 because it's like, yeah, dude.
We don't know what this guy's going to do.
But now we've had a Trump administration.
We've had a libtard administration.
And people can kind of see which side the grass is greener on.
So I don't think it's going to work.
But they're also stupid and they're also theater kids and highly emotional and neurotic.
And so they cannot detect that it's not working.
They can only double down and then use any, like, unpopularity as just vindication for why they need to continue doubling down.
Like, oh, this country's more white supremacists than I thought.
Must push harder.
So, yeah, dude, I'm confident.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, I've got to ask you, I don't know how familiar you are with sports ball, but at the end of the year, the league will give out an MVP award, a Most Improved Player of the Year award, and the Sixth Man of the Year award, so the best player that doesn't start.
I'm curious, who's your MVP, who's your MIP, and who's your sixth man for the Trump admin so far?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Sorry, can you...
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
The sixth man.
So he's not the starter.
He's the spark plug that comes off the bench and he gets you a lot of points.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Oh, dude.
Easy.
Okay.
Trump, MVP.
Marco Rubio, most improved.
Stephen Miller, spark plug.
I love those guys.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
I love that.
Yeah, that's kind of the curious thing is the turnaround of Marco Rubio.
I don't even want to call him Little Marco anymore.
Big Mark.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Dude, we love Big Mark.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah.
What do you think's happening in the psyche of a lot of these guys right now that are kind of I mean, what do you think is going on there?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
You know, I've never really been interested in Marco Rubio, so I don't know if I have a read on him.
But it could be possible that this is a guy who just likes politics in the sense that, like, when you're a senator, you kind of have a lifestyle that's pretty good.
I mean, you can just kind of do what you want.
You get to, you know, black car service, nice meals, hotels.
You get to go speak.
You make a cushy salary.
And then in exchange, quite often what people do is they sell America out.
Now, what we do with those people is for a later time.
But for somebody like maybe Marco Rubio, say he's just some, like, you know, suit.
He just wants to play the game of politics, and he's sort of responding to the power that's coming down from Trump.
He's falling in line, and now he's using his position to forward the Trump agenda.
At that point, dude, I don't really care, like, what his personal stance on the issues is.
Like, I'm not electing Marco Rubio to be, like, the Pope.
I want him to just be, like, an effective employee of the United States government.
And so what his particular ideology is, Gang of Eight Rubio, Rubio.
I mean, I would have to guess, but insofar as he's doing a good job for Trump, I can only support him.
And yeah, that's welcomed.
It's welcomed.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
I love it.
Well, dude, John, I gotta let you go, but before I let you go, thanks for the chat.
Where can people find you?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you can find me on youtube.com slash John Doyle or on Twitter at Comrade Doyle.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Love it, dude.
Well, I appreciate you coming on, man.
I guess I'll see you around.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼
So true, man.
Thanks for having me.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yes, sir.
All right, well, that was John Doyle, the legend, YouTube legend.
Love that guy.
Yeah, so thanks for bearing in on this episode without Tim.
Like I said, he's down for the count.
He might be back for IRL.
I think it's going to be a fill cast tonight, though, so be ready.
But, yeah, before we go, I want to grab a couple Super Chats.
Let me see if I can find him here.
I think I go here.
If the stream goes down, just know it was me messing with buttons.
Is this how I go to Super Chats?
I got producer Andrew in the cut here.
Let's see here.
A little awkward.
Sorry, everyone.
You know, I'm the fill-in.
I'm the sixth man.
I'm coming off the bench here.
Also, yeah, some people have noted I'm wearing the beanie.
It's not a bit.
My hair is just cooked.
That's the main reason I'm wearing a beanie.
I just didn't want you guys to see that.
That would have been really grim.
Let's see here.
What do we got?
Alright, I'm just looking at chat in general.
I love you all and I'll see you in the chat.
So true.
Yes, if someone doesn't agree with you, they are a paid shill.
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Yeah, that's a...
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
People just assuming everyone against him is paid.
But we're going to Russell Brand in like three seconds.
I just noticed that.
So enjoy Russell Brand.
Hello, mate.
Enjoy Russell.
See you later, everyone.
Have a good time.
For everybody else that didn't get rated, we're kind of coming down to the wire here.
So I'm going to round down.
I'm going to see if there's any more super chats here.
Oh, one pin to the top.
Shout out, producer Tate.
Filling in for Tim Pool.
Dude, yeah, thanks for the shout-out.
Trying to hold it down.
If this went well, then maybe you'll see me again.
If it didn't go well, I'll resign myself back to the producer life, being behind the scenes, kind of a backroom guy.
I do enjoy that it makes me feel a little mysterious.
There's been a lot of aura talk recently, and I do think that producers have a lot of aura.
That's just me, though.
So, yeah, I think it went okay.
I guess we'll see what happens.
I mean, Libby really is the GOAT of filling in.
There's really no question about it.
Libby Cass is always a monster show, so there's no question about that.
I'm going to try and grab a few more chats here.
Let's see.
Why did Trump bend the knee to bring back Garcia and give the left what they wanted?
They're still not happy.
That was SensitiveSoul29 that said that.
I don't know if he bent the knee.
I think he was just bringing him back so we can throw him in jail and then deport him.
Like, I think it's actually like kind of a, If anything, it's worse for the left because now Trump can just really cook a little bit.
So yeah, I think he didn't bend the knee.
I think he just was like, you know what?
So, I don't know.
I think that's what's going on there.
But, yeah, thanks for watching.
This has been your Rumble Hour with Tate Brown, producer Tate.
Bye, Casper.
Bye, Booneys.
We'll be back tonight at 8 for IRL, 8 Eastern for IRL.
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