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FEDS RAID Democrat Office For AIDING Rioters Staff DETAINED By ICE
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Democratic Rep Nadler had his office raided by DHS, staffers handcuffed, accused of aiding and hiding rioters who had been on the ground protesting some earlier that morning.
Now, it seems pretty simple.
Nothing ended up happening.
They came in arrested.
They cuffed the person.
Well, actually, let me slow down.
They came in and said, hey.
We think you're aiding rioters.
Let us in.
They said no.
And they said then you're being detained and then went in and said, OK, we're leaving.
But for Democrats, it's the apocalypse.
Nadler's calling for an investigation.
But I say this, my friends.
Good.
I'm glad this happened.
We need a DHS, an FBI, a federal law enforcement system that is unafraid to challenge politicians who we know do break the law or aid criminal violent elements.
We just had a shocking terror attack in Boulder, Colorado.
Before this, only within the past two weeks, another terror attack.
Two young people killed in D.C. And of course, the governor of Pennsylvania has home firebombed.
These are far left violent individuals.
And if we don't have an administration willing to.
Now, the reason why this matters as it pertains to Nadler is Nadler famously said five years ago that Antifa violence is a myth.
Now accused his office of helping some of these rioters.
No, I'm not saying he actually did, but I will say this.
In my humble opinion, having...
I will tell you, these people are likely coordinating.
Democratic politicians, many of them don't participate or actively work with any violent groups or anything like this, but they do cover for them because these people are a component of their constituency.
Democrats.
I love it because I always hear this.
They say, Tim, you've got to differentiate between leftists and liberals because, you know, we had this woman on last week and she's saying this and I'm like, nah, nah, because they vote for it.
Because prominent progressives, they go on and they say, I'm not in favor of the Democratic Party.
Go vote for Democrats.
And it's like, well, you just told everybody to go vote for Joe Biden while claiming that you're a progressive who opposes the establishment uniparty machine.
How does that make sense?
Not me, I'll tell you this.
Donald Trump is outside that broken uniparty machine.
They hate the guy.
Not that anything is perfect, but I have no illusions that, you know, Donald Trump is not a prominent politician in the United States government that's going to enact policies and engage in law enforcement.
Dare I say I voted for it.
So the difference here is I will look at Donald Trump's actions and say, I like Trump and I'm going to vote for him.
The left says the Democrats are really, really bad at the last minute come out and say, yeah, but vote for him anyway.
Because they're liars.
They're hypocrites.
Many of these people who have celebrated and promoted the violent, claimed they were peaceful protests, turn around and say, vote Democrat.
And the Democrats know it.
So let's talk about this, my friend.
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Here's a story from the New York Times.
Yo, what's going on?
Aid to Rep Nadler is handcuffed amid confrontation with federal agents.
Captured on video, the episode occurred in the Congressman's Manhattan office shortly after the aide observed agents detaining immigrants outside a courtroom.
Interesting.
I do want to give a mention as an aside.
ICE agents are going to immigration courts, waiting in the hallways.
And when the judge denies the asylum claim, as they almost always do, these guys walk right out into the hands of ICE who arrest them and send them on their way.
I voted for this.
The New York Times reports.
New York Times.
Federal officers entered Representative Jerry Nadler's office in Lower Manhattan on Wednesday and handcuffed and briefly detained one of his aides.
The confrontation happened shortly after the aide observed federal agents detaining migrants in a public hallway outside an immigration courtroom in the same building as the congressman's office.
The episode was recorded by someone who was sitting in Mr. Nadler's office.
In the video, the officer with the Federal Protective Service, Part of DHS is shown demanding access to a private area in the office.
The video is obtained by That still exists?
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Wow.
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Which earlier reported the confrontation.
Now, I do believe we have the video in question, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
No, she did not.
That is not what happened.
She posted back.
That is not what happened.
Oh, okay.
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You're crying.
unidentified
Okay?
Hold on a second.
Do you have any contact information right now?
No, I'm not giving any signs to the 60. Hey.
I'll speak to you.
We got you.
You're okay.
You're okay.
I'm a federal officer.
We're here checking on something.
I hate this.
We have the right to check.
I'm giving you.
I'm not resisting.
Stop resisting.
You're harboring rioters in the office.
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So there's not a problem.
unidentified
Let's walk inside.
Let's walk through.
Or what?
Let me see what's in here.
Let's go.
Come on.
Come on.
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And that's all.
This woman is crying.
She's crying.
Dude, you blocked federal officers.
Now, okay, let's talk about some of the questions here.
Do they have a warrant?
There is, I forget what it's called, but all of our friends who are law enforcement officers explain this on one of our Rumble rants, that when a police officer pursues someone into a building, they don't need a warrant to continue pursuing them.
There's something specifically about that.
Now, in this instance, I don't believe there's anybody in the building.
So I'm not entirely sure what the issue was here.
Nothing ended up happening.
Nadler's pissed.
He's calling in front of an investigation, but I'm going to tell you right away, I voted for it.
Listen to that woman crying, okay?
It's infuriating.
I'll tell you why.
The far left has advocated for violence.
These people go out in the streets, these leftists.
Not all of them, not every liberal.
I'm not blaming everybody.
But you often get these whinging leftists.
They will go out and they will hit people.
They will throw bricks at people.
They will beat people.
And then the moment they get caught, they go, dudes are crying like whining babies.
Dude, some cops briefly detained you.
Calm down.
These people are nuts.
It can happen to anyone.
Nadler rebukes DHS after staff are detained in Manhattan office.
The agency said the unidentified staff member was not charged.
Indeed.
They say the incident was first reported by the Gothamist.
We get it.
Quote, I'm a federal officer.
The DHS official said to a second staff member in the video posted by Gothamist, adding, we have a right to check the office.
And in fact, it may be the case because the office is in a public building, and I mean like a courthouse building.
The second staff member, who could be seen initially blocking the officer's entry to a private area, asked whether the officers had a warrant, to which the officer replied negatively.
The staff member eventually acquiesced, allowing the officer to walk through the area.
Nadler slammed both DHS and Trump in a statement Saturday afternoon for demonstrating aggressive and heavy-handed tactics and sowing chaos, not only in his district but across the country.
Yet Donald Trump had no idea these guys were doing this.
These are Federal Protective Services cops.
These are federal cops.
And I just want to stress that these Democrats had no problem with Capitol Police raiding people's homes, going across the country over J6, I didn't see anybody coming out of national television when Capitol Police raided the home of a woman in Alaska simply for resembling a woman they saw in surveillance video footage from the Capitol.
They hunted these people down mercilessly, showing up at their doorsteps at 3 a.m., kicking their doors in with rifles when these people were bumbling about the Capitol.
I ain't talking about the rioters.
I'm talking about people who showed up after the riot, walking around confused, having their homes raided.
And Democrats did not care.
Now, what do we have here?
Some feds came up, briefly detained a woman who cried her eyes out, and literally nothing ended up happening.
Spare me.
As we're dealing with all this far-left violence and we've seen a terror attack, the last thing I'm concerned about is some federal agent knocking on the door saying, can I come in?
And a lady saying, yes, and he comes in.
Stupid.
He said, here we go, President Trump and the DHS are sowing chaos in our communities, using intimidation tactics against both citizens and non-citizens in a reckless and dangerous manner.
In the most recent and deeply troubling incident, DHS agents forcefully entered my congressional office.
They were let in.
And handcuffed a member of my staff, Nadler said.
Now, to be fair, it's 50-50.
They did briefly detain someone.
I believe they accused her of harboring rioters who had been there earlier in the morning.
Nadler said, adding that he was alarmed by the aggressive and heavy-handed tactics DHS is employing in New York City and across the country.
No, I'm for it.
They're dumping their sanctuary city list.
They're saying, all right, we don't care if you think you're a sanctuary.
You ain't.
The New York rep also cautioned that the incident showed a deeply troubling disregard for proper legal boundaries and warned that if this can happen in a member of Congress's office, it can happen to anyone, and it is happening.
But the DHS maintained in a statement issued earlier on Saturday that its Federal Protective Service officers showed up at Nadler's office to conduct a security check because they were concerned about the safety of the federal employees.
The statement did not mention the issue of harboring rioters the officer referred to in the video.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment Saturday afternoon.
They say DHS officers identified themselves and entered the office where they were met by four people who remained unnamed in the agency's statement.
One of the individuals became verbally confrontational and physically blocked access to the office.
The statement of political red.
Now, I think the challenge here with Warrant is that they already have a right to be in the building.
Now, I'm sure there's a question about a right to enter that particular room because people should still be protected in their rights.
Like, just because I rent an office doesn't mean a cop can just come in because he's got an office in the same building.
That being said, there may be some kind of special circumstance considering the DHS has a department office and it's a courtroom in that building, so I don't know for sure.
Now, Congressman Jerry Nadler on CNN calling for an investigation, saying, oh, heavens me.
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A lying story about what happened.
DHS was upset that some of my staff members were watching them grab immigrants emerging from an immigration court in the same building a floor below.
And they were upset that my staff Invited some of the observers up to my office.
They then came up to the office and demanded entrance.
One of my staff members said, you can't come in here, you need a warrant.
They said, no, we don't need a warrant, which is incorrect.
And they barged in.
And in barging in, one of the officers, a very big, heavyset fellow, pushed my aide, a very petite young woman, and they then said that she pushed back and they shackled her.
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Oh, thank you for the context, Rep Nadler.
I'm going to say this.
Rep Nadler's claim of DHS violence is a myth.
It's a myth.
It never happened.
He's just making it up.
So, goodbye.
At least that's what he claimed when it came to, you know, violence from Antifa.
He said it's a myth.
It's not happening.
So when you have far leftists roving our streets, smashing things, throwing firebombs and, you know, all of that stuff, and then you want to claim it's a myth, why don't I just say that?
But I do appreciate the context here where he says she pushed a cop.
That's why she got detained.
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Okay.
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Nothing happened.
These people are lunatics, all right?
I'll take a look at this story.
We saw this in the morning.
FBI charges terror suspect Mohammed Sabri Solomon in firebombing attack on Boulder, Colorado, March for Israeli hostages.
I know you know the story.
I did cover it this morning.
This guy was an illegal immigrant.
He came to this country, overstayed his visa, and then applied under the Biden administration to stay, and they let him.
They gave him a work permit.
So here's a man who's here illegally.
He, I would argue, entered under false pretenses.
He came to this country, which appears to be a tourist visa.
I could be wrong, but it was like a six-month stay.
He overstays the visa, and then he says, I want to be able to work here, and Biden said yes.
And then he goes to a rally in Boulder, and I guess they said he was using a makeshift flamethrower of some sort.
What does that really mean?
He was like splashing people with kerosene or something.
I mean, it's horrifying.
I don't know what makeshift flamethrower means, but yeah, he's firebombing people.
This is what we deal with.
Here's another one from the Post Millennial.
Muslim man pleads guilty to firearm charges.
After planning to kill Jewish preschoolers at Michigan Synagogue, geez, man, he threatened to even the score.
Now, what's funny is, for a while, when we talked about Islamic terror, there were a lot of people that claimed that, you know, Islamic violence is not associated with the left.
It's something different.
And I can't remember who it was.
It might have been Majid Nawaz saying that you've got leftist violence, you've got right-wing violence, Well, I'll tell you this.
Right now, it does.
It is the left that is marching for this.
Greta Thunberg, did you see this?
Greta Thunberg putting on her keffiyeh, going on a flotilla and being like, we have to go to Gaza because climate change.
And I'm like, what is she even talking about anymore?
Dude, I got no problem if she wants to protest for Gaza, by all means.
But this just shows you that it's a grift for many of these people.
She has no idea what she's talking about.
She goes on a multi-million dollar boat ride and then claim, which was made of like petrochemicals, by the way, fiberglass and plastics.
And then using all this luxury and wealth, she's like, everyone else has to stop using carbon, you know, right now.
It's like 60 million people would die if that was the case, but they're hypocrites.
Right now, the left has wholly adopted this cause completely.
And where we're currently at is we have to deal with violence from Democrats and from their liberal and far-left constituents.
Notably, this story about Rep.
LaMonica McIver, which I'd like to bring up in this context.
As Jerry Nadler is saying, I can't believe that DHS would do this in my office.
Yeah?
Well, we just had a couple of Democratic members of Congress physically attack federal law enforcement officers.
So I don't care to play games anymore.
Now, I get these people, these liberal types, disaffected, whiny liberals who are saying things like, but we must maintain the rule of law.
The rule of law has been gone for a long time.
There's nothing to be maintained.
I'm sorry.
I mean, like, it's a little bit hyperbolic.
My point is this.
We as a nation cannot have Antifa firebombing buildings for years.
Shooting at people, killing people, firebombing Teslas, shooting into buildings, shooting into people's cars.
That's what they were doing during the BLM riots only five years ago.
Running up to somebody in Provo, Utah for no reason and shooting the driver.
This stuff happening all the time.
And now where we're at is Democrat on camera punching federal law enforcement.
So when the news comes out.
That some DHS guys went to an office, knocked, got into an altercation with some lady who was briefly detained.
I am not sweating in the least bit.
But to these liberals, they're saying things like, you know, Trump is crossing the line.
You know, it's unconstitutional.
I'm just like, where were you in the past four years when they were arresting Trump's lawyers, falsely accusing him of crimes, raiding his home under false pretenses, giving Joe Biden, despite the fact they knew he committed a crime, giving him a freebie and saying, yeah, he's a well-to-do old man with a bad memory.
I am not going to sit here and advocate for Donald Trump to do anything unconstitutional.
I'm not going to say it's good that these conflicts are happening.
I'm only going to say, I do not care for these whiny liberals who are like, but Donald Trump has crossed the line.
No, he didn't.
The line was crossed a long time ago, and now there's no line to be seen.
This is where we are.
Check this out.
Where are things going to be ramping up?
U.S. Homeland Security removes list of sanctuary cities after sheriff's criticism.
President of Sheriff's Association says noncompliant list violated the core principles of trust with law enforcement.
Interesting.
It's time to start the raids.
It's time to start the deportations.
I got to talk to Tom Holman last week, and he said, we're deporting them.
You're getting out of here.
We're not waiting around.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security removed the list of sanctuary states, cities, and counties from its website following sharp criticism from a sheriff's association that said a list of noncompliant sheriffs could severely damage the relationship between the Trump administration and law enforcement.
DHS on Thursday published a list of what it called sanctuary jurisdictions that it deemed were included in areas that have a policy of limiting cooperation with federal immigration enforcement.
The list prompted a response to the National Sheriff's Association, which represents more than 3,000 elected sheriffs across the country and generally supports federal immigration enforcement.
Sheriff Kieran Donahue, president of the association, said in a statement on Saturday that DHS published a list of alleged noncompliant sheriffs in a manner that lacked transparency and accountability.
Donahue said the list was created without input from sheriffs and violated the core principles of trust, cooperation and partnership.
Donald Trump had called for his administration to tally apparent sanctuary jurisdictions in a late April executive order, saying the lack of cooperation amounted to a lawless insurrection.
Indeed.
The reason why they're doing this, albeit...
Trump saying this was an effort to lay the groundwork to invoke the Insurrection Act so he could go in and enforce the law.
The DHS website listing the jurisdictions was offline on Sunday, an issue that Fox News host Maria Bartiromo raised with the Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem in the talk show Sunday Morning Futures.
I saw that there was a list produced.
Now the list I don't see anymore in the media.
Do you have a list of the sanctuary cities that are actually hiding illegals right now?
Noam did not acknowledge the list being taken offline, but said some localities had bristled.
Some of the cities pushed back.
They think because they don't have one law or another on the books, they don't qualify.
But they do qualify.
They are giving sanctuary to criminals.
Indeed.
Yeah, one of these criminals just apparently murdered some people.
The feds are charging that guy.
In Colorado with murder.
They've not released information on the victims, but the assumption we can make is that somebody has lost their life.
And I think it's disgusting that anybody would try to defend the practices of the Biden administration.
It is insane to me.
I talk about how I didn't used to believe in evil when I was younger, and I do now, and I'll give you an example.
I can understand or make the argument any direction as to why someone would or would not support an illegal immigrant.
However, in this capacity that we are dealing with right now, there isn't one real argument to be made.
This is why the media lies about everything.
The reason why the left is lying, the Democrats are lying, is because there's no functional argument to be made.
I'll give you guys a...
Go to rumble.com slash timpool or youtube.com slash timcast and watch the last full episode of The Culture War, which was about young men leaving the left and leaving the Democratic Party, for which I debated this woman who was a liberal.
And I told her over and over again, the sophistry does not work.
She made the argument about transgender issues that being a woman is just a performance, that women look a certain way and therefore no one's buying it.
The sophistry is fake arguments to try and convince somebody.
This is what they're doing.
So let's talk about illegal immigrants and how the liberals have to operate.
Give me one functionally logical reason for why criminal illegal immigrants are allowed to be here, even the ones that are violent.
They don't get deported.
Okay, now that you don't have one, now what arguments could we try to make?
Economics.
We need a mass influx of illegal immigrants because our economy is hurt.
We don't have the incoming youth labor force because people aren't having kids, so we need to bring in workers from other countries.
Interesting argument.
Now explain to me why you're not deporting the criminals.
There's no answer.
They can say, these people are asylum seekers who are fleeing danger.
Okay.
Why aren't you deporting the criminals?
Huh.
About that.
Why are you fighting so hard for the criminals?
What do they have?
Just lie about it.
Because there is a reason.
There's one real reason they can't admit.
Democrats want every single illegal immigrant in here.
Criminal or otherwise.
So it will boost their congressional representation illegally after the 2030 census.
It's the play they made last in 2020.
It's the play they're going to make again in 2030.
Now, they can't come out and tell you that.
They can't come out and say, we only have political power because we've cheated over the past 30 years.
But I'll say it like this.
The reason why they're violent, the reason why they lie.
Aid and abet criminals is because they only get by through cheating.
Now, I'm not talking about illegal immigrants voting in elections or anything like that, which maybe happens to some degree.
I am talking about the fact that based on the number of illegal immigrants in this country, Democrats may have upwards of 10 extra congressional votes and 10 extra electoral college votes.
That means right now the congressional makeup should be 12 plus Republican.
Giving them a clean majority and a capability to pass tons of laws that are pro-America.
But they can't.
Because Democrats give them extra seats.
They bring in illegal immigrants.
They won't deport them.
And then they end up with more seats in California, largely in other sanctuary jurisdictions.
Indeed, we are then left holding an empty bag.
This is entered into congressional record.
And I'll show you guys here from Nadler.
Give you an example of who he is and what he represents.
Rep.
Jerry Nadler says Antifa violence in Portland, a myth.
Just a myth.
And this is at congress.gov, entered into their record, because it's not.
Quote, I ran into Jerry Nadler in D.C. and asked him to disavow the Antifa violence in writing in Portland.
His response, that's a myth.
It's true, Mr. Fletcher tells Mr. Nadler in the video.
There's violence across the whole country.
Do you disavow the violence from Antifa?
What's happening in Portland?
There's riots.
That's a myth that's being spread only in D.C. I can't stand these people.
They are liars, they are evil, and they gaslight.
Nadler knows that when he goes on CNN, when he goes to these media outlets, and he says it's a myth, he knows he's lying, But he knows that the older folks watching that believe him.
And that's the one demographic that is largely anti-Trump.
So when DHS goes to his office, suspecting they may be aiding and abetting criminal rioters, I say, okay.
And then some woman is accused of shoving a cop so she gets detained.
The cop asks somebody if he can come in.
She lets him in.
What's the problem?
What's the problem?
Nadler's like, they needed a warrant.
Yeah, okay.
No, I'll agree with you there.
But she let him in.
The one chick was accused of shoving a cop and he didn't even get her for assaulting an officer.
They just detained her briefly and left.
The other lady let him come in.
She let him in.
They walked around.
I do feel like with Kash Patel, we got big news here.
Going after top officials, making the arrests, taking the action, publishing the documents, the cascade is just beginning.
So I got no guarantees for you.
No guarantees.
I don't know if Cash and Dan are to be trusted.
I trust them, though.
I'm saying, like, I don't know what I can tell you.
I'm confident that we are going to get proper action.
And, you know, it's not going to be perfect.
It's not going to be everything you could hope and dream for, but it'll be something.
And the fact that Cash has already made these moves, shutting down the Hoover building, ousting top officials, calling for lie detector tests.
He publicly stated Comey's responsible for the largest criminal conspiracy.
I do think we are going to get action from the FBI going after the corruption, no longer tolerating violence from these Democrats.
And I say, good.
That's what we need to be doing.
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One is the actions of Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, obviously.
But we've also got Pride Month is over.
Corporations are dropping.
All of this stuff.
We've got big moves in the media landscape.
That is not all bad.
The Democrats are playing their Project Sam game.
But I think we're going to see them move in the other direction.
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As for everybody else, we're still live.
And let's carry it to its logical conclusion.
Check this one out.
We have this story from Military.com.
An alternate history channel on Reddit is gaming out a shockingly realistic second U.S. Civil War.
Very interesting stuff.
But let me just say this.
You may be saying, Tim, you crazy.
There's not going to be a civil war.
That's silly.
Who would fight?
Why?
You know, I've talked to prominent individuals, and they always say the same thing.
They always say the same thing.
I go outside, I look around, nobody's fighting.
To which I respond, do you think, in 1864, in Atlanta, some dude walked out of his house and looked at his neighbor who was flying an American flag, a Union flag, and they went, ooh, I'm gonna fight you!
No, they went outside and said, howdy, neighbor.
The same is true today.
I don't know what happens.
But I do know that it is now in the highest levels of government.
We've got the story from the New York Times.
Unease FBI as Kash Patel ousts top officials.
Quote, the FBI has become so thoroughly compromised that it will remain a threat to the people unless drastic measures are taken, he wrote in his book Government Gangsters, asserting that the top ranks of the bureau should be eliminated.
Behind the scenes, his vision of an FBI under Trump is quietly taking shape.
Agents have been forced out.
Others have been demoted or put on leave with no explanation.
And in an effort to hunt down the sources of news leaks, Mr. Patel is forcing employees to take polygraph tests.
Is it coming?
A civil war.
But let's talk about it.
Among the younger generation, and this is what I think matters most, 43% of Americans say a civil war is at least somewhat likely in the next 10 years.
Among the younger—I'm sorry, this is general, public, posted in 2022.
However, it's actually much crazier than that among young people.
Among the younger generation, they actually think it's much more likely there will be a civil war.
YouGov has the data that shows it skews largely among younger people.
Let me see if I can find the quick civil war.
40% think that a civil war is likely.
32% think it's likely between red and blue states.
30% says rich and poor.
29% think people of different races.
20% think it's likely between urban versus rural.
And so this is actually an interesting poll.
I know a lot of people may be saying they don't think it's going to happen, but the question is, why do you believe?
That YouGov thought it necessary to do this poll in the first place?
And why do you believe they found 43% of people think it's possible?
Because people are actually discussing it.
This was 2022.
It's a year and a half, September, after J6.
Donald Trump is now in office.
When I talk about the issue, people tell me I'm crazy.
I recommend you guys watch the episode of Triggernometry I did, where we basically had this debate.
I went into great detail.
Now, I'm not sitting here saying I think a civil war is going to happen.
I'm not sitting here saying it's guaranteed or anything like that.
I'm saying the precursors are as such that people believe it may be coming, a substantial amount.
I didn't create the idea.
I didn't coin it.
Nor do I ever actually promote that it will happen.
However, to be fair, on Twitter, people don't understand nuance.
They're very stupid.
So when I say things like civil war, I'm not saying it's literally happening because people aren't smart enough to understand that.
I'm saying these are all precursors to and indicative of.
So take a look at this.
Among Democrats, they say Democrats are more confident than other Americans in the government ability to defeat an uprising of armed citizens.
It's fascinating.
They say that how concerned are Americans about political, racial, and religious extremism?
White supremacy.
43% are concerned.
Isn't that very concerned?
Isn't that crazy?
That's the media, largely targeting the older demographic.
So Bloomberg, I think, I don't know if I have them breaking it down.
They say, the survey conducted among 1,500 U.S. adults found two-thirds of Americans believe political divisions have gotten worse since 2021.
In comparison, only 8% say it's grown less divided.
Here's why I bring this up.
And the fact that young people are more likely.
Let me see if we have this.
Let's see the age breakdowns.
47% of Americans under 30, according to you, Governor the Economist, said a civil war in the next decade is at least somewhat likely.
47%.
Alright.
Here's over at Military.com talking about the alternate history.
People gaming out a shockingly realistic civil war.
Now what I want to say, which is hilarious about this, I live here.
This map they're showing on the screen for those that are just watching.
It shows Harper's Ferry, and it says the second battle of Harper's Ferry, April 15, 2025 to 27 of April 2025.
Yeah, it didn't happen.
We're well past that.
I don't think this stuff is actually realistic, especially considering the article was written after the battle already took place.
But I will say this.
It's fascinating to look at a map where people are wondering what would happen to Harper's Ferry because I use these bridges like every day.
Let me take a look at where we're at.
So this is the Horn, Harper's Ferry.
Harper's Ferry is a postal jurisdiction that actually extends well down into the southern area, into these mountains, Blue Ridge Mountains.
And though each of these areas are unincorporated and have their own names, the postal zone is still Harper's Ferry.
And then we have, this is the walking bridge and train.
And you have, where are the bridges?
Okay, so this is a bridge right here.
This is a bridge right here.
These are the bridges we use to get into.
So when I talk about how close we are, our old studio is actually just over here.
I said we're very close to Loudoun County.
This is Loudoun County right here.
Military.com says, alternate history writing looks at what-if scenarios.
What if the Soviet Union won the Cold War?
What if the Roman Empire never fell?
It's not just interesting escapism.
It also allows readers to look critically at the world they really live in and reflect on current events.
Popular alternate history stories have even become major television shows or movies.
Philip K. Dick's 1962 novel, The Man in the High Castle, set in an alternate timeline where an assassin killed Roosevelt and Germany and Japan won World War II.
The book was later adapted into an Amazon Prime series.
I do think it's largely silly, though, The Man in the High Castle.
Because I don't think the U.S. would ever get invaded and taken over nor forced to have a Nazi ideology.
To be fair, though, Nazism was prominent in the United States before World War II.
On Reddit's alt-history subreddit, users post scenarios asking, what if the Soviet Union intervened in Iran?
Or what if the U.S. plan for the Middle East was implemented after World War I?
The Joule posts garner a handful of likes or comments, but a new alternate history timeline is making the rounds with interactions in the thousands.
This new timeline from Redditor George Squershington looks at an alternate world where someone really did hack the 2024 election, both sides contested the results, and America fell into a dark civil war.
Now, I've talked about this before, this alternate timeline.
What I want to say is they're entering an alternate path for us.
What I think is interesting about it and why it's worth looking at.
The posts that they fabricate, I say fabricate, but the posts that they've created artistically to represent the real world actually look like real world posts.
What I mean is, when you see someone saying, we've created a path for an alternate timeline where there's a civil war.
They mention in the military.com that they're looking critically at how it may play out.
You'll see a story that says something like, far-life extremists.
You know, open fire on, you know, right wing group or something like that.
And when you look at it, you're like, wow, that's crazy.
That's what starts a civil war.
Then you take a look at our own actual news and it's like far leftists open fire on Tesla vehicles and attack private owners.
And you start to understand, oh, that it's actually, it is actually happening, this escalation and before our eyes.
Now, again, that doesn't mean.
The predictions of these people are correct in that it would lead to a civil war.
The point is, we are looking right now, a man in Colorado with Molotov cocktails set fire to several individuals who were pro-Israel.
Or I don't even know if that's fair to say.
They were raising awareness for the hostages, the Israeli hostages.
And this man was screaming, free Palestine, screaming that he had to do something.
We see actions like that.
We saw the Tesla attacks.
In an alternate timeline, it is reasonable.
If someone were to write up a story about how a war broke out or a civil war broke out, these things are realistically believed to be components of that escalation.
The issue now is, in the fictional reality that's being drafted about a second world war, Many people, it's easy to believe.
Oh yeah, like someone blew up a car or whatever.
Of course that makes sense in the story you've written.
Then you ask about the real world.
What about the people who are unloading rifles into Tesla dealerships?
That happened.
And they say, oh, that's isolated.
It's not going to go anywhere.
Why?
Why the difference?
Optimism bias and normalcy bias.
They may be correct.
We don't know.
There's been terror before.
The weather underground did a lot of bombings.
No civil war happened.
The point is, because of optimism and normalcy bias, people want to reject the possibility outright.
Instead of saying it's probably low, but these are the precursors.
Military.com says George Squarshington, asked only to be identified by his username because of harassment, calls a scenario.
How would Reddit react to a modern civil war in the US?
The story plays out in fictional screenshots from social media, Wikipedia, YouTube and more, all posted to the Reddit channel.
Quote, I saw where people were claiming that the election was stolen.
Like even my mom and dad talked about it.
Talk about it sometimes.
Saying the 2024 election might have been hacked.
George Squashington told Military.com.
And I just started to think, what would happen if it were true?
Or at least...
Well, let me pull it up for you guys.
It's a small subreddit.
But here we go.
This is r slash verify 2024.
This is a subreddit.
Only 7,000 members.
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But it's a top nine percentage.
Top 9% ranked by size, meaning it may have a very small amount of members, but it gets a lot of activity for how small it is.
These people are insane.
They genuinely believe the 2024 election was stolen.
They say, from last week, New Georgia voter website glitch briefly exposes personal data.
Big report on 2024 election interference in conjunction with Election Truth Alliance.
These aren't the only ones.
It's just one dedicated subreddit.
Rosie O'Donnell.
Has been making videos that are insane and make no sense because she genuinely believes this stuff.
And she's prominent.
She fled the country.
She had a video where she was like, explain to me how for the first time the Republican won every swing state.
Not true.
Just plum not true.
Quote.
I'm sorry.
So I did read all this already.
What would happen if it were true, at least?
Readers learn about new developments in their war through simulated Internet reactions to the war's events.
George Squashington, along with his supporters in a special Discord channel, game out scenarios, and the story continues to evolve.
Then he and some of the collaborators create detailed screenshots of what it would look like as the Internet responded to the news.
In the story, the first contested election results lead to recounts in key states, tipping the election from Donald Trump to Kamala Harris.
Protesters from both sides clash violently.
Fires break out in Trump Tower.
Harris is inaugurated in a bunker, and Trump barricades himself at Mar-a-Lago.
None of that happened.
It is all a silly story.
But let me try this.
What about the people that are claiming these silly stories are actually real?
June 1st from El Paez, which is Spanish language news, Barbara F. Walter, civil conflict expert, quote, I see Trump provoking a foreign war to force a third term.
I don't because I'm not insane.
Now, all these people, there's many people who believe it's not possible, For the U.S. to break into civil war, once again, they say silly things like, I go outside and nobody's fighting.
They say things like, who would the factions be?
There's no north and south.
Red states are split up all over the place.
And I just, I ask them, please, for the love of all that is holy, read about any other civil war.
Basically, every single civil war that's ever happened except the United States was various jurisdictions falling to ideological groups.
The Syrian civil war had something like 12 different factions fighting the government.
They slowly got defeated and then started to unify under, was it al-Nursra and ISIS, then eventually just ISIS, a unified group, the Islamic caliphate at war with the Assad regime.
It doesn't have to be red versus blue.
In the United States civil war, in fact, you had seven states secede from the end before Lincoln was even inaugurated.
And then they formed their own confederacy.
It was stated that Texas only joined out of necessity because of the proximity.
Certainly they were a slave state, but they were also just like, we can't be part of a union with no access to the union.
So for the most part, they just said, I guess we're out.
Then Lincoln attacked.
To be fair, the Battle of Fort Sumter happened.
People were pissed.
Nobody died from the conflict.
One person died in an accident.
Then you had the Battle of Bull Run.
The union was routed and then...
That's literally how it started.
After this, several states then flipped.
They were two-thirds pro-union, not in favor of the Confederacy, but after the Lincoln rallying of troops and the invasion of the South, several states then said, we're breaking from this.
The point I'm making is no one really understands how these things can escalate to this point.
But I do have questions about where we go from here.
If Barbara F. Walter is correct, or more importantly, I doubt she is.
But if she feels this way, and many other people do, then I have some questions.
What happens if Trump does win another term?
What happens when, with a moderate coalition on the right, Republicans win 2026 and 2028, and Democrats get locked out of power?
They're not going to tolerate minority rule.
I shouldn't say minority.
They're not going to tolerate being in the minority is what I mean to say.
Take a look at this from El Pais.
Barbara F. Walter, 60, has spent her entire career studying what drives countries to civil war and how to avoid such conflict.
Born in Bronxville, New York, she's a professor of political science at the University of California, San Diego.
During Trump's first term, particularly in the wake of the pandemic and the assault in the Capitol, she began to have an uneasy feeling about the signs of instability.
She had seen places like Yugoslavia, Syria, and Iraq were beginning to appear in her own neck of the woods.
In 2023, the publication of her book, How Civil Wars Start and How to Stop Them, caused a considerable intellectual impact in the United States.
In the book, which includes interviews with civil war survivors and presents all the precedents to internal conflict with scientific rigor before issuing a diagnosis, she argues that her country meets the two requirements that usually occur before a fratricidal conflict.
Sure.
The emergence of two factions organized on either side of the lines marked by race, religion, or identity.
and the fact the U.S. has fallen for the first time since its founding into the group of what the Center for Systemic Peace calls anocracies.
These regimes fall somewhere in the gray area between full democracies and pure autocracies, two systems that, for opposite reasons, never slide into civil war.
This is a scale on which the former are rated plus 10 and the latter minus 10. In between are the anocracies, countries that rank between minus 5 and plus 5. So here's what I want to say before we read on for more of this.
The reason why I brought up the YouGov data about how younger people are more likely to believe that there is a civil war coming.
The issue is that hyperpolarization among the youth is more pronounced than the older generations.
With all of these generations voting right now.
You will get an older generation voting for unity and saying we don't think civil war is coming, and a younger generation voting in a hyper-polarized manner.
In fact, our own market research here at Timcast suggests that if we want to attract younger viewers, we have to be extremely aggressive on what we want this country to be doing to the enemy factions, to the opposing political faction.
Kind of creepy.
Younger people believe a civil war is coming, and they are hyper-polarized.
Older people don't believe it's coming, and they are less.
So let's do the math.
If you're 65, hanging out with 65-year-olds, you know some people in your family are liberal and conservative and you mostly get along.
And that's it.
But if you're 25, you probably don't hang out with any people of the opposing political faction and all you see is violence on social media.
So what happens?
These people are prepared for something to escalate.
They believe it will.
When the older generation dies, there will be But let's just say, let's break it down into 50 plus and 50 below.
18 to 50. They are more likely to believe a civil war is coming and they're more hyperpolarized.
50 plus are not.
The 50 plus die, then you have a younger generation likely to, then every single person in this country is going to be in the camp of, we are heading towards some type of civil conflict.
Now I've asked many people about this.
And it's fascinating that they can only conclude one of two things.
And that is, if you're on the right, I would ask this.
Do you believe that Democrats are unscrupulous?
Of course.
Do you think that they are willing to violate the Constitution to steal power?
Of course, they did.
They arrested Trump's lawyers.
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So if you're on the right, you recognize the left is violating the law, stealing elections, and doing all of these things.
Yes.
Okay.
Do you think Trump will fight back?
Well, then you get mixed answers.
Some say yes, some say no.
All right.
And that's where we end up with the two potentialities.
Either you get a communist revolution and full Democrat takeover, or Donald Trump fights back.
Now we have another question.
Do you believe the Democrats will resist?
Invariably, people say, of course they will.
The far left is violent all the time.
Okay.
So some kind of civil conflict.
The question then is, it's very simple.
Both the left and the right.
I have someone on the left.
I was talking to Adam Friedland about this.
I don't know how they edit their show, but he was saying civil war can't happen.
Stuff happens all the time.
And I said, let me ask you a question.
Do you think Trump is violating the law?
He says, yes.
Do you think he's acting unconstitutionally?
Yes.
Do you think he is doing things that are unprecedented?
Yes.
Do you think anyone's going to stop him?
No.
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So you think there will be a fascist revolution in this country.
You are either arguing on the left or the right that there will be a fascist revolution, a communist revolution, or a civil war.
I don't see how anyone could be arguing for something else.
No, no, we're going to have this, you know, hyper-polarized nation where both sides are committing, are violating the Constitution against each other, but it never breaks out into fighting.
Doesn't that just sound silly?
Like, Democrats are going to be like, they're all fascists, they're arresting people illegally and doing whatever they want, but we don't care.
But then we're going to go arrest people illegally.
No, that just sounds like administrative civil war, which is what we're in already.
Now, I certainly think, I think many of you would agree, that on the right, Republicans, Trump, Cash, are enforcing the law, upholding our Constitution, and fighting corruption.
I think it's a fact.
I think when you look at the data, you can see that it's a fact.
On the left, it's inverted.
They think Cash is corrupt.
He's targeting his political opponents because, well, they don't read the news.
So how does this end up?
Where does this country end up going if this is the case?
There's a few potentials, I guess.
There's a possibility.
All the fighting simmers down.
Everybody's bored.
Nobody cares about politics anymore.
I don't think so.
Because of the Democrats' willingness to say, I don't know, like publish the private phone records of a journalist like Adam Schiff did, or to arrest Trump's lawyers like we saw in Wisconsin and Georgia, to falsely accuse Trump of felonies.
To falsely accuse a sitting president of being a traitor to his own nation and working for the Russian government?
I don't see why this de-escalates.
Is Trump just going to be like, no, no, no, we're completely okay that they did all that stuff?
Yeah, I don't think so.
Certainly it's possible that Trump just says no.
And then Democrats simply just go like, well, we're not going to be communists anymore and we're not going to violate the law and everyone just calms down.
But I don't think anybody sees it as a realistic probability.
We have this from El Paez.
They ask, Barbara F. Walters, did you enjoy the movie Civil War?
Oh boy.
She says, you know, they invited me to the premiere in New York, and I didn't go because I didn't want to be seen as legitimizing the movie.
I would have bet that it was going to be a very terrible movie, but I watched it and thought they did a very, very good job of living against Americans, the sense of what a Civil War would feel like.
No, they didn't.
Kind of.
The movie didn't do any justice to the concept of civil war.
It was a bunch of journalists who were on a vulture romp gloating over the death of other people, and it was just— Some.
But really, no.
Really, I think the movie's goal was to show you the depravity of modern journalists and show you how evil people are.
I will tell you this.
In the journalism industry, I've largely met...
I mean it.
I genuinely mean it.
On the ground covering conflict and crisis, mostly evil people.
They call them vultures.
That's why.
Now, I know that a regular vulture ain't evil, just it eats carrion, right?
But these journalists choosing to go in and seeking to inflame and laugh and enjoying death, that's depravity.
The question, it wouldn't look like the first one, North versus South.
Barbara F. Walter says, There wouldn't be soldiers in tanks.
I mean, that came at the end of the film.
But that middle section of the movie, when they're traveling to D.C., and they're stopping, for example, at a gas station, that's exactly what I thought of, to be honest.
And I see these men strung up.
That's what a 21st century war looks like.
It's anarchy.
It's anarchy that allows these subplots and subfights to happen.
So you may have a rebel group fighting the government.
But then you might have energy at the local level, where if your neighbor wants a piece of your farm, they just walk into your house and kill you.
And Americans don't realize that a civil war could unleash a whole series of micro-events.
They just want to have hope that things work out.
Indeed.
It has been two years since you've published the book.
What's changed?
Barbara F. Walters says a lot has happened, but the conditions I describe in the book remain the same or worse.
We are fully ensconced in an inocracy.
With Trump's return, there's been a drastic decline in the quality of the democratic system.
It's happening quickly.
And everything indicates the president wants to weaken it further.
If he can, he will eliminate the checks and balances on the executive branch, Interesting, interesting.
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I will give Barbara F. Walter this one.
I think, functionally, she's correct.
The only problem is, like her and Stephen Marsh, they ignore the fact that Democrats were doing all these things.
It's like their brains shut off when Democrats do things.
Me, I don't care for either bubble individually.
I can tell you exactly.
Donald Trump, in the gutting of USAID and these institutions, was detrimental to the global liberal economic order and the way they view democracy.
They view democracy as powerful, deep-stated, bureaucratic institutions doing whatever they want.
So when they see Trump gutting this stuff, they say he's ripping our institutions to shreds.
But see, therein lies the conundrum.
I can tell you outright, Donald Trump's shuttering of these agencies can escalate the tensions.
Donald Trump and Cash Patel and Bongino and Pambani going after Democrats can push us to civil war.
Indeed.
But I think it is right to hold these people accountable for what they've already done.
On the left, they seem to completely ignore the fact that Democrats falsely charged Donald Trump with felonies, falsely accused him of rape, falsely accused Brett Kavanaugh of gang rape, falsely accused Trump of civil fraud, raided his home, falsely arrested his lawyers violating the Constitution.
You can't arrest people's lawyers.
Like, none of that ever happened.
Remarkable.
She's asked, when did the U.S. join the Anacratic Club?
Now, what I want to add is many people may say, well, why are you talking about this, Tim?
Barbara F. Walter did work for the CIA and did track when other countries would fall.
So I do think, functionally, she brings up interesting points.
I just think she's biased and has ignored the fact that Democrats are the ones who started all the conflict.
She said, in December of 2022, we were at a plus five.
It was the first time we hit it in history of the United States.
This lasted until early 21, when it became clear that Trump would actually Leave the presidency peacefully and that his successor, Biden, wouldn't try to exploit the undemocratic features in the U.S. Laughably stupid.
We rose to a plus eight.
I'd say we're now at a plus three.
The risk of civil war isn't just if you're in this anocracy zone, which we now are.
But it's exacerbated if you get if you get there very rapidly.
If you have a two point or more change in the score, we've had at least a five point change in a matter of months.
So this is extraordinarily rapid, which tends to be quite destabilizing.
She says the risk isn't less, it's different.
The way civil wars break out, they're usually started by the group that's losing power or is out of power.
So if Biden or Harris had won, then this group would be Trump supporters on the far right.
The MAGA movement is heavily driven by white Christians.
The declining population in the United States are whites.
And so had Biden won historically, this would be the group that you would see mobilize.
But they won, right?
If Trump is successful in fixing elections, If he's able to suppress the vote and if he's able to purge the voting rolls, it becomes very hard for Democrats to win again.
This would be the Viktor Orban model.
If we have elections but Trump always wins or the Republicans always win, then you'll probably have more than half the American population essentially excluded from government.
They become the group out of power, and I think they would eventually begin to mobilize to demand reform.
But if it became clear that they were never going to get back into power through nonviolent means, I could see extreme elements emerge within the Democratic Party.
Really?
Only then, huh?
Which political faction has got a voter base going around that's anti-Israel, anti-Zionist?
Don't get me wrong.
The right certainly has it.
But I can tell you this.
Anti-Zionist conservatives or right-wing individuals, however you want to call it, said don't vote Trump.
Famously, Nick Fuentes told people not to vote for Trump.
On the Democrat side, the anti-Zionist progressives told all their followers to vote for Joe Biden.
We here at TimCast had people super chatting on TimCast IRL saying they would vote for Joe Biden because Joe Biden was more anti-Israel than Trump.
That's what they cared about.
So you mean the Democratic Party, these progressives who voted for Joe Biden and advocated for the Democratic Party, who were shooting up Tesla locations, firebombing Tesla vehicles, who have protested violently for years in black bloc for a variety of issues.
That's not within the Democratic Party.
This is the insane world these people live in.
Now that the popular vote went to Trump, Trump has the popular mandate, I would not be surprised to see the far left escalate to that degree.
But I'm going to wrap it up there, my friends.
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I'm going to gear up that rumble raid for our friend Russell Brand.
You know, sometimes I check and it's like, you know, they're not live, but usually Russell's gearing up.
Okay, I don't know if Russell is going live right now.
So I don't know who is set to go live.
That's what I said.
That's what I said.
Sometimes that happens.
So usually we just check.
We've got a pretty standard lineup.
But I'm not sure if we have anybody else.
I think we have Charlie Kirk, Steven Crowder.
I don't know who's going to be live, so I don't know who else to send you to.
I guess we'll just check Russell one more time before we get out of here.
And he has not appeared to be going live and doesn't look like we've got any word.
So I guess we'll wrap it up there.
Let's give a raid to our friend Charlie Kirk.
I don't know if he's going to be staying live.
Let's see, where's he currently at?
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I think he's live now.
We'll send a raid Charlie's way.
Charlie's a good dude.
He's a friend of the show.
We're fans.
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