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May 29, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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FBI WARNS Of Copycat ASSASSINATION Threats Against Trump Over Comey's "8647"
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tim pool
And it's exactly as predicted.
Kash Patel is sounding the alarm on a disturbing rise of copycat assassination threats against Donald Trump because former FBI Director James Comey posted his 8647 Instagram image.
Now, he did take it down and said he didn't realize.
I got to fix the blur here.
There we go.
He didn't realize what it meant, but of course, that was not correct.
And then we saw a wave of liberal pundits posting the exact same thing.
And while James Comey may maintain he did not know what it meant, we think he's lying, the point was there are now many individuals who know exactly what 86 means and are intentionally using it as to mean someone should take the life of the president.
Now, my friends, we've already seen a wave of posts from far leftists that had been calling for action against Trump, against Elon Musk.
And I say action, I mean calling for violence and death.
This just made things worse.
And when this happened, it's exactly what I said they were trying to accomplish.
To create an atmosphere where large swaths of individuals can call for violence, but just defer to, I don't know, the former FBI director said it.
They didn't arrest and prosecute him.
So why would they arrest and prosecute me?
I didn't do anything wrong.
I was simply saying what everyone else already said.
No one really thinks it means to kill.
You know, I've heard the rumors, the memes, and all that stuff, the urban legends.
Where does 86 come from?
In the restaurants, say, 86 the french fries, meaning somebody doesn't want them, or 86 this guy, meaning, like, we're not going to serve him.
But the mafia, many people claim that a Vegas would say 80 miles out and 6 feet under.
86. Actually, there's a much better explanation for 86. A grave is eight feet long and six feet deep.
86. There's a bunch of different ways to interpret it, but all of the numbers make more sense as murder than just throwing something away.
The urban legends are that in a restaurant there was a number 86 order that one day was out.
They said 86 is out.
unidentified
Bull.
tim pool
I don't believe that for two seconds.
That's nonsense.
Eight miles out and six feet deep.
Makes sense.
80 miles out, 6 feet deep, makes sense.
Or 8 feet long, 6 feet deep is a grave.
And, you know, the width doesn't matter as much as the length and the depth.
A body needs to fit.
And it's got to be buried to where nobody finds it.
So, my friends, we're going to get into all that stuff.
Plus, we are going to be joined later on by Tom Homan to discuss the deportation plans.
Revoking of visas as well as securing the border and the mass deportations they're planning.
So it's going to be great.
That'll be around 30 minutes or so from now, about 1230 for those that are watching live.
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Here's a story from the Daily Mail.
They say FBI Director Cash Patel said his bureau has been overwhelmed by copycat threats.
To Donald Trump's life after James Comey shared a controversial Instagram post calling to 8647.
Patel told Fox News' Brett Baier that the former FBI director's post, which showed seashells on a beach arranged in the numbers, forced him to redirect resources as Trump's critics followed suit.
The term 86 is often used in hospitality to mean get rid of something, but it has also been used in the mafia.
To mean a grave eight feet long and six feet deep.
There's an article.
So when this story broke, I did all the research on the origin of the term.
And while the dictionaries and all of the institutions try to say, you know, back in the 1900s, there was a soda jerk and number 86 was unavailable.
So he said, 86 is out.
And now everyone just says 86. I don't buy it.
It's stupid.
That makes no sense.
Maybe, I guess.
But then you think about eight feet long, six feet deep.
Eight miles out, six feet deep.
And it also means, 86, to get rid of something.
Yeah, okay, I think that it probably is referring to a grave site.
Makes a little bit more sense, still don't know for sure.
But there are numerous articles that I had pulled up already where, in Vegas, specifically, 86 means to murder.
Interesting.
There's also tons of slang dictionaries that point out 86 means to murder somebody.
Do you know how many copycats we've had to investigate as a result of that beachside venture from the former director?
Do you know how many agents I've had to take offline from chasing down child sex predators, fentanyl traffickers, and terrorists?
Because everywhere across this country, people are popping up on social media and think that a threat to the life of the president of the United States is a joke.
And they can do it because Comey did it?
Patel grew frustrated as he said that he has been made to deal with this every single day, adding that he believes Comey thought it was funny.
To share his seashell post.
The FBI did not immediately respond to requests from Daily Mail for details on the threats to Trump's life that they have been inundated with.
This was the point.
That by doing it, Comey was going to allow everyone to call for this.
And the left likes to refer to this as stochastic terrorism.
Basically, the phrase is, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest?
The goal?
Eventually somebody will take it literally.
unidentified
That's James Comey.
kash patel
If he wants to come after me, no problem.
I've been living rent-free in that guy's head for years, and that's just a bonus.
Do you know how many copycats we've had to investigate as a result of that beachside venture from the former director?
Do you know how many agents I've had to take offline from chasing down child sex predators, fentanyl traffickers, terrorists?
Because everywhere across this country, people are popping up on social media and think that a threat to the life of the President of the United States is a joke, and they can do it.
Because he did it.
That's what I'm having to deal with every single day.
And that's what I'm having to pull my agents and analysts off because he thought it was funny to go out there and make a political statement.
unidentified
That's James Comey.
tim pool
That was the goal.
So you end up with 10,000 people all imitating this behavior.
And this is the Antifa tactic.
You know, back in the day, we used to call Antifa Black Block.
We just called them the Black Block.
It wasn't a reference to an ideology.
Typically, they were anarchists or leftists, but not right-leaning anarchists, more of the wackaloon tankies who think they're anarchists or claim to be.
And what they would do is they dress in all black so that when they engage in violence, you can't convict them.
Even if, let's say there's 10 people all wearing hoodies, sunglasses, and black bandanas and black jeans, and one guy chucks a bottle at somebody's head.
The cops grab him and arrest him.
They then go to court and they will say to the officer, did you see this man do it?
And they'll say, yes, I did.
You saw this man do it.
Yes.
How did you know it was him?
Because we grabbed him as he threw it and arrested him.
And you know what this man looks like.
And they'll be like, well, I do now.
This is the game they play to sow doubt.
Even when the cops grab the guy who did it.
The defense will say, is it possible you grabbed the wrong guy?
No.
But you don't know what the client looks like.
That could be a different person.
The individual you arrested was wearing a mask.
And they'll be like, sure.
So you, the arresting officer, didn't actually see or you can't prove.
It is crazy that it works.
Because juries just say, listen, a group of people all wearing black, you can't see their faces and they're throwing stuff.
How could the cop have really been sure?
He thinks he's sure, but I have reasonable doubt.
They get away with it.
How does that function online?
When Comey comes out and says 8647, oopsie!
Now tens of thousands of people all have plausible deniability.
They can say, but what do you mean?
The FBI director posted it.
And then what happens if Cash actually wants to prosecute somebody who intentionally was calling for the death of the president, which is a crime?
They're going to argue in court.
He was simply imitating the former FBI director, who I might add has not been criminally charged.
Now they may say yes, but the intention from this individual was different.
And they'll say, what do you mean?
Prove it.
You can't.
That was the goal of this play.
Smarmy scumbaggery.
From the Hill, Cash Patel says, I won't be lectured by Comey.
In an interview on Bret Baier over the 86, 47 Post.
They say that Comey insisted he did not arrange the seashells himself.
He just found it like that.
Quote, you know, the FBI is bigger than any leader it's ever had or ever will be, Patel said about the Post.
And James Comey is a private citizen and he can walk around the beach and talk about seashells and crayola crayons for all I care, for all I care about, and talk about how we're the conspiracy theorists.
But I'll just remind the American people of one thing.
When that man was the leader of the FBI, He perpetrated the largest criminal conspiracy packaged political information from overseas, took it to a federal FISA court, and illegally surveilled a political opponent.
So why won't be lectured on how to run this FBI from that man?
Arrest him!
Come on!
Lock this dude up.
Comey should be in jail.
Cash?
As the FBI director went on TV and said, this guy is responsible for the largest criminal conspiracy.
Let's go.
Guys, a lot of people think that Cash and Dan ain't getting a job done.
They're saying now with the, you know, Bongino said we're going to release Epstein video.
They're saying it's going to be AI.
It's going to be fake.
I'm digging it.
I am.
I am banging it.
I got my gavel right here.
I am banging it saying let's go Cash.
I want Comey in jail.
And I think probably there's many people who probably want him in jail more than me, and Cash is probably at the top of the list because Cash was targeted by these scumbags.
Yo, check this out.
We got a video.
Dan Bongino, listen to what he had to say on Fox this morning.
dan bongino
Wait till you read the stuff that's coming out.
unidentified
But does he still have a loyalist in the building?
Because when I hear the FBI director saying, you guys are finding boxes that are hidden.
Okay, how does that happen in the Bureau?
dan bongino
Well, we were there a couple of weeks, and luckily there were a lot of people up there who grabbed us by the arm the minute we came in and said, thank you for being here.
You know, we need to talk.
There are people there who are really horrified at what happened.
And there was a room, and we found stuff.
A lot of stuff.
unidentified
A hidden room.
dan bongino
I wouldn't call it hidden, but hidden from us, at least, and not mentioned to us.
And then we found stuff in there.
And a lot of it's from the Comey era.
And we are working our damnedest right now to declassify.
And just so you know, because I get the public.
I totally understand people saying, well, do it now.
The process is not all the information is ours to declassify.
Some is other intelligence agencies.
It's not.
We literally can't do it.
Once that gets done and that gets out there and you read some of the stuff we found that, by the way, was not processed through the normal procedure, digitizing it, putting in FBI records.
We found it in bags.
unidentified
That is weird.
tim pool
This man is a disgrace.
It's a longer segment.
I might play just a little bit.
I don't know.
I have this one from Fox News.
But if they go too much into the weeds.
unidentified
That includes the 2021 DC pipe bombings, the 2020...
dan bongino
And then when the opportunity comes to do stuff.
I didn't mean me.
You know, I meant you.
I mean, you don't sound like a fraud.
You are one.
So it was a lot.
It's been tough on the family.
People ask me all the time, you know, do you like it?
I say, no, I don't.
You know, nobody likes going into an organization like that and having to change things and make big, bold changes.
But, you know, I was at one of our facilities yesterday down in Winchester, and a woman who worked there very nice said, you know, I used to watch your show.
I miss you.
I said, you know, I miss me too.
You know, part of you...
tim pool
You know, they found secret documents.
They weren't secret.
They were supposed to be—the FBI was filing them normally.
We talked about it last night on IRL.
The question is why—you know, Ian asked, why not just destroy them?
Because that would be criminal.
And so what they do is they take documents and put them in a place that you don't expect to find them but isn't criminal, and then you maybe never find them.
And if you do, you say, what do you mean?
All the files were just stored there.
You didn't ask.
Plausible deniability in an effort to cover things up.
Now, I think, depending on the scale of what these documents are, they probably destroyed a lot of them.
As they do and probably have for a long time.
But we are now in a deep era, my friends, of political violence.
This is just where we're going.
Look at this.
Dan Bongino drops a major truth bomb in FBI's Trump assassination attempt investigation.
I want to throw this in there.
I've got some critiques now for people on the right.
Bongino says there is no there there in the Trump assassination plot, but he specifically makes a reference to foreign influence or something like that.
They said that Dan Bongino dropped a bombshell.
Where's the quote?
Are we going to be surprised at what you learned?
He says, I'm not going to tell people what they want to hear.
I'm here to tell you the truth and whether you like it or not.
He says there is no there there.
Actually, let's just play the clip.
unidentified
Are we going to be surprised at what you learned?
dan bongino
You know what, Maria?
Cash is not kidding.
We've been personally briefed extensively on every single detail, nugget, tendril of this case.
One is actively in court right now.
So out of respect for the case, it's probably more appropriate that I stay quiet on that.
However, I'm not going to tell people what they want to hear.
I'm going to tell you the truth.
And whether you like it or not is up to you.
If there was a big explosive, they're there.
Right?
tim pool
history as a Secret Service agent and my personal friendship as a director does with the president give me one logical sensible reason we would not have took if you can think of what there is it there is sure The logical reason why they wouldn't release information pertaining to the assassination attempt is that it implicates Trump or Trump-associated individuals in some way.
It would create damage for the U.S. government.
It would destroy its credibility and destabilize us internally.
If they were to release information showing Democrat individuals or uniparty individuals, neocon or otherwise, were somehow involved in this.
It could result in destabilization and riots in the streets.
Who knows?
There are many logical reasons why they wouldn't release the information.
But that being said, there's a lot of people who are critical of Dan and Cash.
But you take a look at Cash's statements on Comey saying he perpetrated this criminal conspiracy.
And I'm sitting back being like, guys, I feel the passion and I'm excited.
We're not going to get everything we want.
That's never the case.
We're not children.
So the people out there who are acting like Dan and Cash are somehow doing a bad job, I'm like, this is the best we've ever had it.
Now are they going to go after Comey?
I'd like to see so.
Maybe they can add the 8647 into their charging document to show intent.
Let's put it this way.
Thank you, James Comey, for posting that Instagram post.
You know why?
When Cash Patel seeks to indict you criminally, For the conspiracy against his political opponents, they say he was a Republican or whatever, but we know the difference.
When he was overseeing a criminal conspiracy, according to Cash, to damage or remove Donald Trump, we ask ourselves, yes, but did he have motive?
Well, he did post 8647, to which he claims just means to get rid of Trump.
And then I'll be asked.
Why did you post it?
No reason.
Now, do you think a jury is going to believe that he posted 86-47?
By all means.
The defense can argue it doesn't mean to kill Trump.
It means to get rid of him.
And they'll say, oh, so Comey has wanted to get rid of Trump now for some time, you'd ask?
So when we go back and look at the actions that he took as FBI director under Trump, yeah, Trump made a lot of mistakes.
Don't get me wrong.
Interesting.
Now, let's go back in time.
Because people say, but Comey was Trump's FBI guy.
Trump could not fire Comey because of the Russiagate investigation.
I mean, he literally could have, and he did.
But the concern politically was that if he interfered and got rid of Comey, it would only be used as evidence against him that he was shutting down the investigation into Russia.
I gotta say, Trump should have just done it.
And he should have said the idea that my own departments would be weaponized against me to accuse me of wrongdoing.
I will not stand for.
But see, Trump tried playing the game, and that's why I hate the game playing.
Trump said, okay, let's relax.
Hopefully we'll win this one.
Nah, iron fist.
It's your DOJ.
Fire them.
Shut it down.
No more games.
If they want to lose their minds, let them do it.
We are not children.
They keep trying to play these games.
I'm not interested.
Trying to play these games.
Now we've got an explosion of death threats.
You've got this Disney star Broadway icon says that Trump's Kennedy Center should be blown up, should get blown up.
Great, here we go.
What do we have here?
We have the shooting outside of the Jewish Museum where this dude wanted a white genocide of white people.
That's how crazy it is.
And of course, the FBI is now probing claims of targeted violence against religious groups.
After evangelicals protest in Seattle, freedom of religion isn't a suggestion, Dan Bongino said.
We have an escalation of far less violence.
We've got Teslas being shot at and set on fire.
We've got people calling for places to be blown up, 8647.
They're not backing down from this.
We had a group of Christians go to Seattle.
And they held a rally, as they were legally allowed to do, and they were attacked by the far left.
Now, there is this story, because I want to make sure we conclude all the context, right?
Seattle got owned in the latest free speech battle.
We'll give a shout-out to this guy, Ross Johnston, who I presume is a leftist masquerading as someone on the right.
No, he's probably just someone on the right.
Because he tweeted, We started a riot today in Seattle during worship and the gospel.
The church is alive.
Okay.
Well, they wrote, A few hours after the Christian rally in Seattle last weekend that ended with 23 protesters getting arrested, one of the founders of the event could scarcely contain his glee.
Quote, we started a riot today in Seattle during worship in the gospel, said Ross Johnston, co-leader of Mayday USA, which put on the anti-abortion, anti-trans event.
The church is alive.
A few minutes later, he explained that revival is messy.
Acts 19 is when Paul started a riot in the city of Ephesus.
It's game time.
Who's ready?
No more cute, weak Christians.
Okay.
This is exactly what the left needed to legitimize their violence against the right.
So shout out to this guy, Ross Johnston, for tweeting this and legitimizing the left's claims that the right instigated the violence intentionally to then false flag the left.
That's what you get.
You want to lay with the dogs, you get covered in fleas.
Congratulations.
Now, largely what we see is people showing up for a pair event.
The far left then shows up to agitate and throw rocks and fight people.
And when I believe it was the mayor came out and then said that the right intentionally came here to antagonize and instigate a riot.
That doesn't matter.
What matters is, do we have a right in this country to go into public places and speak?
And the answer is, according to the government, no.
Because you have ill intent.
Well, the left needed a...
I use it in a figurative sense.
They need a reason to come and attack people.
Now they have it.
Thanks to this dude who tweeted that the right started the riot intentionally because they want a strong church again.
Okay.
Now the left is going to come out.
They are going to propagandize all of the left and it's going to escalate the violence.
It's accelerationism.
I'm not in favor of that.
But if this dude is, then fine.
We just call it out.
My point ultimately with all of this.
Escalation to the left will likely occur.
And I guess expect Summer of Love 2.0.
We keep saying that.
With this attack in Seattle, that's where many people were going with it.
This idea that we were now going to get the next Summer of Love.
Because when people showed up to peacefully protest and pray, they were attacked.
But at least now the left has their reason for escalation.
The mayor came out, attacked the group.
The group then held a protest calling for his resignation.
And the left came out again and started attacking these rally attendees.
If you want the violence, I suppose that's the way you go about doing it.
Me, not so much.
Now, I would not go so far to say as you shouldn't hold a rally in Seattle.
But to tweet out that you started the riot?
Okay.
Antifa is going to take that.
They're going to go to college campuses.
They're going to show everybody that far-right fascists, what they'll claim, intentionally started a riot for the purpose of getting the left arrested and invading their space.
They are going to say fascists are coming to our town and rioting intentionally and destroying our property.
And they'll use that to rally more Democrats.
That's why I say this guy's a leftist.
Not that he's literally a leftist, but he may as well be because it's the greatest gift they could have asked for.
Well, look, anybody on the right who wants to go join the left in their violence, leave the rest of us out of it.
Because for the longest time, Trump supporters, people on the right, haven't been engaging in violence.
Sometimes, rarely.
And the point is...
You have a right to get a permit for a park and peacefully discuss your ideas.
And if someone else is to attack you, they are the problem.
They are at fault.
They are the fascistic ones.
Not if you're all going to go out and claim you intentionally started a riot.
So be it.
The end result will be the same.
There will be escalation of far-left violence.
We can expect Summer of Love.
Summer of Love 2.0, I suppose.
That's the nature of how things go, I guess.
But my friends, we are going to be joined by Tom Homan.
And really excited for this.
We're going to talk about the current plans to mass deport up to 3,000 people per day, as well as the revoking of student visas.
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For everybody else, we keep going live and we're going to jump to this next story.
We've got this from the New York Post.
Trump aide Stephen Miller pushes ICE to ramp up immigration arrests to 3,000 per day.
The architect of Trump's immigration policy is pushing ICE to dramatically ramp up arrests, calling for 3,000 illegal immigrants to be picked up per day.
White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem put out the figure in a meeting with Immigration and Customs Enforcement leaders last week.
Axios reported Trump's goal of achieving the largest deportation operation in history has so far largely been focused on illegal immigrants who have criminal records or deportation orders.
But the push for Noem and Miller, two of the top immigration hawks in the president's circle, suggests that the Trump administration wants to go even harder.
And you know what?
It is going harder.
Fascinating story.
Marco Rubio says the U.S. will aggressively revoke visas of Chinese students.
We're getting convoluted.
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Rep.
tim pool
Riley Moore has proposed legislation to strip the student visas of Chinese nationals, 300,000 or so in this country, as they are a threat to national security.
And Carolyn Leavitt said, you know, you're going to have to ask the State Department on that one.
We're not entirely sure, but here we go.
The play is happening.
Now, there are concerns that this dramatic move is going to heat up tensions between the U.S. and China.
The severing of ties, people fear, can create an opportunity for conflict.
There are many people in the neoliberal sphere who believe that the more you give, the less likely you are to have war.
That by offering up these student visas, by giving up our labor, China doesn't want to go to war with us because They get stuff from us.
Trade.
The only problem is the trade imbalance means we are being extracted and eventually will be destroyed.
We have around 800 or so U.S. students in China on visas where they have around 300,000.
They have been stealing our intellectual property and some of these individuals are using the visas as a means to come to this country illicitly for nefarious reasons.
There have been Chinese nationals arrested carrying viruses at airports.
And so the question then becomes, what is the extent of the deportation operations?
How far will they go?
Will we simply stop at 3000 per day?
And is this largely an issue of Central and South America?
I think it goes well beyond.
We have questions about asylum, people coming from Africa to the United States, people flying from Eritrea, which is Eastern Africa, to Western Africa, to Brazil, and then traveling up to the southern border of the U.S. to come here.
Illegally.
We can't tolerate it.
Now, the left says we are not going to be able to maintain a labor force if we deport all these people.
I suppose there is a challenge in that we are not having enough babies.
So it's a complicated issue.
I'm going to be joined in just a moment by Tom Homan.
So we're going to pull him in, who is, I'd say, he's the man as it pertains to this stuff.
So let me grab our interview room, and I believe it should be ready to go and incredible.
Tom, can you hear me?
tom homan
I think it's our first time, right?
tim pool
Absolutely.
Yeah, I did put in a request at the White House.
We wanted to talk to you because there's a lot to break down in the immigration stuff.
But let's just get started with this latest report that Stephen Miller is trying to ramp Ramp things up to 3,000 deportations per day.
Is that something that you think is likely to occur?
tom homan
Absolutely.
I've been pushing for that for the last couple of months.
Just about every media hit I do, they always ask me if I'm satisfied with the arrest and deportation.
And I always say I'm happy we're much higher than the Biden administration is.
We got to do more.
You know, three times more than Biden isn't enough because Biden didn't do anything.
We need to do ten times more.
So, yeah, we got a lot of public safety threats we got to find and arrest and deport.
And we got to do it faster.
We got to do it quicker.
We got to do it more efficiently.
So, yeah, we're adding a lot more teams to the operation out there in every major city in the country.
We're going to, you know, flood the zone with officers in the communities and work site enforcement operations.
So we can arrest these people that need to be arrested and removed.
So yeah, we're going to increase it ten times.
We were adding a lot of teams, but we're going for it all.
Absolutely.
tim pool
Are you guys right now just focused on the worst of the worst criminals?
tom homan
We've always been, like I said from day one, our priorities are going to be public safety threats and national security threats.
But I always said, if you're in the country illegal, you're not off the table.
Prioritization just means who we go after first.
But, you know, there's a lot of, for instance, we got, you know, 1.4 million illegal aliens who already had due process were ordered removed from the country.
They simply chose not to leave, and they became fugitives.
We're going to open that aperture up to the fugitives.
We're going to open that aperture up to non-criminals.
So we'll always concentrate on the criminals first.
If we have a criminal here and a non-criminal there, we're going to go to the criminal always first.
But that doesn't mean everybody else is off the table.
If you're in the country illegally, you're on the table.
tim pool
Is there a timeline you think—like, when will we get to the point where it's—say there's a person here working illegally at a farm or something like this, and it's not someone who is a trafficker.
It's literally just someone who came here illegally to work.
Do you think there's a timeline for when enforcement starts targeting them specifically as a top priority?
tom homan
Well, look, it works like enforcement operations are—we're focusing those right now.
Places will find victims of trafficking, people that are in forced labor situations that are a victim of trafficking.
So, you know, employers who are undercutting their competition by employing U.S. citizens and driving wages down, there's even a priority within the works of enforcement, especially for critical infrastructure sites.
But, you know, as farmers, President Trump's already made it clear he's trying to find a fix for farmers.
If we need that type of employment and it can't be filled by Americans, then we can figure out a way for them to come legally.
That way, they're not paying a criminal cartel.
That way, they're not swimming across the river and putting their lives at risk.
That way, you know, women and children aren't being sexually abused by members of the cartels if they come in legally through a visa program.
President Trump's already committed to looking at that, and we're taking that into consideration when we talk about, you know, doing any sort of work so they enforce an operation on firearms.
tim pool
We also have this report that Marco Rubio wants to pull the student visas from Chinese nationals.
But we've also seen many other students have their visas pulled.
I think the focus was they were critical of U.S. foreign policy, specifically around Israel.
Are we going to see enforcement uptick?
Do we expect these Chinese nationals who get their visas revoked to self-deport?
Or do you expect to have to go in and make arrests and forcibly remove them?
tom homan
I think you're going to see some of both.
I mean, it's not because they're Chinese nationals, because they either overstated a visa or they're not planned by the rules of that visa, whether it's a student visa, a work visa, a tourist visa.
You know, getting a visa to come to this country is a great privilege, but there's rules.
And if you violate those rules, we can cancel that visa.
So I think it's going to be a case-by-case basis on the specifics of each case.
Again, Chinese nationalists shouldn't be off the table.
We know for a fact tens of thousands of them entered the country illegally on Joe Biden, have no legal right to be here.
We're pro the United States.
We've got to look at them too.
So again, it's a wide net.
We'll work on all nationalities.
tim pool
We saw during the Biden administration people coming from Eritrea.
People coming from Africa, flying to Brazil, coming to the United States.
And then we were told that these were asylum seekers who bypassed 15, 16 different countries where they were safe just to come to the United States.
We saw the Biden administration putting out those narratives.
We saw people like AOC putting out those narratives.
I'm curious what you think their motivation is in lying about people coming here to exploit our labor, to exploit our goodwill.
Why are Democrats seemingly just fabricating these narratives to allow people to illegally enter the country?
tom homan
Well, you're right on one fact.
They can claim they're asylum seekers.
I guess that's the right term, even though they're making frauds on asylum claims.
They're seeking asylum.
But we know, based on immigration court data over the last decade, that nearly 9 out of 10 people who claim asylum at the border end up with an order of removal because they're not escaping fear and persecution from their home government because of race, religion, political affiliation, or participation in a specific social group.
They're coming here for a job.
They're coming here for a better life.
I get that.
But we know that 9 out of 10 people claiming asylum have no asylum claim.
But they make their frauds on asylum claims.
Why did they open the border up and allow this?
Why did they abuse the parole program and paroled millions of people in this country?
Well, obviously because they saw a future political benefit from doing this.
I think many of them thought this population would be future Democratic voters.
I think they knew that if they were counted in the next census, most of them would go to sanctuary cities.
That means when they do the census, they reproportionate seats in the House.
The Democratic Party will have a lot more seats in the House, and they'll have control of Congress forever.
So there's no other reason to unsecure a border.
There's no downside to unsecure a border.
So obviously, they saw a future political benefit in doing this.
And that's why they're pissed off.
That's why they're pissed off right now of us ramping up these arrests, because they're hoping by releasing them, rather than detaining them at an ICE facility, you get a hearing.
35, 40 days.
But if you release them, the hearings go out five, seven, nine years if you exhaust our appeals.
By then, they're hoping for a Democratic administration to award amnesty and make them all legal.
So that's why they're angry right now.
We're ruining their long-term plans.
They're playing the long-term strategy.
They're smart about it, but we're beating them at it because we're going to remove as many as we can.
tim pool
That's what I've been talking about for a while.
I feel like that was the play from the get-go.
Sanctuary states and cities, you boost your population count illicitly.
Census count gives you more congressional seats, more electoral college votes.
And then the Republicans, and it's crazy to say Republicans because I think it's actually just the American people, then have to overcome political power granted illicitly through illegal immigration that Democrats promote.
If that persists, the whole thing just implodes.
The system can't maintain.
That kind of structure.
tom homan
No, look, they showed their hand when you couldn't get a single Democrat to vote for the Trust Act, you know, requiring U.S. citizens to prove to be a U.S. citizen in order to vote.
I mean, not one Democratic vote for the SAFE Act.
So they showed their hand.
It's not about fairness.
It's not about fair elections.
It's about future political power.
tim pool
Do you think that illegal immigrants are voting directly?
In a substantive number?
tom homan
I don't know what the number is.
We've uncovered a lot of cases of illegal aliens voting.
But, I mean, why else would every Democrat vote against having to prove you're a U.S. citizen to vote?
What's the downside of that?
Seriously.
It just shows your hand that they don't care about the honesty of the vote.
And, you know, I certainly don't think an illegal alien is going to vote for President Trump, knowing they were out looking for him to deport him from the country.
So it's ridiculous.
It's just ridiculous how far the Democratic Party has gone.
tim pool
Yeah, I can't say that I understand their ethos or what their plans are other than just trying to get power by any means.
And so you had that famous moment with AOC.
Where, you know, she was like legal asylees have not committed crimes.
And then you just whip snap the U.S. code, violating law by entering the country illegally.
And I don't know what her goal was in that.
I mean, we've seen videos of children drowning in the river.
We've heard stories of children collapsing in the desert.
For compassion reasons alone, outside of any of the politics, a secure border just means less coyotes, less human trafficking, less rape, less smuggling.
But it seems like the only thing that we get from Democrats is this will give us power so the sacrifice is necessary of these people's lives and well-being.
tom homan
Maybe I'm just being redundant.
They've sold out our national security for future political power.
They don't care about dying children.
If they do, they want to secure a border.
They don't care about, you know, securing the border because, you know, sex trafficking skyrocketed under President Trump and forced labor.
AOC is right now out there, you know, collecting money and campaigning on abolishing ICE.
ICE, who has arrested tens of thousands of public safety threats and national security threats in this country, and specifically her AOR.
ICE has done more to protect her constituents than she has.
But again, it's not a common-sense play, right?
It's about future political power, and they're willing to do anything to get it.
I mean, there is no other excuse not to want public safety threats removed from your community.
That's our number of responsibilities as a member of Congress is representing a constituency, and one of the top priorities would be making my district safer.
So why would you not want ICE going there?
And take a child predator out of there.
Take someone that's sex trafficking in women and children or someone that sells fentanyl.
Just about a month ago, I was in New York City.
We indicted 27 members of TVA with the help of NYPD.
We show what collaboration can do.
27 members of a terrorist-designated organization, we took off the streets of New York.
She should be applauding that rather than asking for the abolishment of ICE.
tim pool
I think that point exposes that it's largely about political power because we keep hearing about criminal illegal aliens who are rapists who are murderers who are getting released from these jails.
We had the story of Judge Dugan in Wisconsin.
You've got a guy in court accused of mercilessly beating – I think it was some woman.
He beat her.
And the judge helps him escape from deportation.
Now, it's one thing to say I genuinely believe this.
You know, undocumented person, they'd say, who is simply working on a farm.
You know, they might have some political claim to that, that they want to protect that person.
But the criminals, they throw out all their legitimacy when they actively protect the worst of the worst, helping them escape.
tom homan
And we all saw how that played out, right?
I'd say day one, if you cross that line.
We're going to seek prosecution.
It's a felony to impede law enforcement in the performance of their duties.
And that's exactly what she did.
And you know what?
And I think you're going to see others face criminal charges in the near future if they continue down this path.
You cannot support, I say it all the time, shame on you, you cannot support President Trump and his agenda, whatever.
but you can't cross that line.
tim pool
We got a lot of people in politics and there it's, They talk big game.
We don't get much from it.
You had a clip recently where AOC, I think, said something like, if you go after Rhett McIvor or whatever, she stormed.
She attacked ICE agents and federal officers.
She's like, there's going to be consequences.
And then you famously came out and said, yeah, I'm still waiting for that.
It's satisfying to see when you come out, actually take these actions.
You're not playing games.
I am very frustrated with a lot of people in politics who say but don't do.
And so I can appreciate that.
In that context, I'm curious, was Rhett McIvor actually arrested on these charges for when she attacked those federal officers?
tom homan
She's being prosecuted.
tim pool
But no formal arrest, just the indictment, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom homan
I mean, she's facing criminal charges.
She put hands on an ICE officer.
And, you know, they preached for four years.
The AOC was on top of the preaching.
No one's above the law.
President Trump isn't above the law, or either of they.
And they cross the line.
You know, they criminally trespass.
But, you know, she was charged with putting her hands on an ICE officer.
That is inexcusable for any citizen, especially a member of Congress, for God's sakes.
And look, AOC, I said it from the beginning.
She's not going to intimidate me.
You ask anybody and you're in trouble.
Well, we did it.
So, you know, do whatever you got to do.
tim pool
I love it.
tom homan
President Trump, you know, we keep our promises.
And we're going to keep enforcing law despite all the pushback from these people.
I'm not running a popularity contest.
I really don't care what people think about me.
I'm going to do the job that was hard to do, which I think is going to save thousands of lives.
It's going to secure the border, give us stronger national security.
And removing public safety threats from the community, that should be a nonpartisan issue.
So they can hate on me all they want, call me out all they want, write all the hit pieces you want.
I'm not going anywhere.
I'm going to do this job because I think we're saving lives.
tim pool
I think it was DHS published a video showing Rhett McIver closed fist punching one of those officers.
And I feel like that's often overlooked in this story.
She went on CNN and said nothing happened.
There's no video.
And then I've showed that video several times.
She punched him in the arm.
It's not like she punched him in the face, but still, you don't punch cops.
And she did.
And I think anybody who does that should be prosecuted.
I think if you're at J6, you hit a copy, you should be prosecuted.
But as you mentioned, they claim Trump's not above the law, no one's above the law.
Now, all of a sudden, they found the people they think are above the law.
tom homan
Well, look, again, I said from day one, and I wasn't bluffing.
You cross the line, we're going to seek prosecution.
We've got a strong A.G. in Pan Bondi, who believes in the mission of law enforcement.
Look, it's a dangerous job.
And what they did that day...
So they want to go attack this facility.
They've been screaming and yelling about the need for due process.
The need for due process.
Here's a facility where that due process occurs.
And they want to go in and shut it down.
And I said from day one, if she would have made an appointment and asked for a tour, we would have gave it to her.
Do that every day across this country.
And here's what they found out.
Here's what they since found out.
That facility has the highest detention standards in the industry.
I'll put that facility up against any facility in the state of New Jersey.
I'll put up against any county jail.
I'll put up against your state prison.
I'll put up against any BOP facility.
ICE has the highest extension standards in the industry.
And a lot of taxpayers will get upset to realize how much money is spent on the extension standards.
So what did they find out once they got in there?
Some of these people got in there?
Wow.
What a great facility.
And so, you know, bottom line is they create a whole bunch of hate and a whole bunch of havoc because it wasn't about the safety and security of aliens.
It wasn't about due process.
It was about making a political statement.
Like the mayor there who's running for higher office, he got his 10 minutes of fame, right?
It's politics over public safety, politics over common sense.
And it's just, I'm just tired of it.
We're not going to put up with it.
You cross the line, you'll be prosecuted.
tim pool
That is, it's fascinating.
AOC has that famous photo where she was like crying.
Fake crying, I'd imagine, outside of that facility all those years ago.
Fox published a walkthrough of this facility, and I've got to say, I say this half-jokingly, I was furious how nice it was that these people, they violate our goodwill, they illegally enter the country, they exploit us, and then the worst thing we've done as a nation is offer them a ride home.
And Democrats are acting like this is the apocalypse.
Literally, you broke into my house, you stole from me, and I said, buddy, I'm going to give you a ride back to your house, and we're the bad guys for advocating for giving them a ride home.
tom homan
One of them, not one of them, including AOC, when we had millions of people coming across the border illegally, being illegally released to the United States against federal statute, where was there a cry for due process then?
Where was there a cry for following the legal process then?
There was actually no legal process.
And millions of people come to this border being released in the country.
They're okay with that.
But now they're getting deported.
Now they're demanding the legal process.
And we're giving it to them.
But they don't like the fact that 90% of people who claim asylum get ordered removed.
And we're going to remove them.
They can call it racist.
They can call it hateful.
All they want.
But when you cause a historic illegal immigration crisis where 10.5 million illegal aliens that we know of.
10.5 illegal aliens.
Many illegal aliens come to the southern border.
They demand due process.
They demand the right to see a judge.
They demand the right to claim asylum.
And they were given that.
But in that due process, when an immigration judge says, you lose, you got to go home.
If we don't follow through with those removal orders, then what the hell are we doing as a nation?
Just shut down immigration court because the orders don't mean anything anymore.
Take the border off the border because there's no consequences for entering the country legally.
They have to be executed.
That's a part of the due process.
They demand due process, but at the end of that decision on the due process and something they like, then they want to throw it up in there and forget about it.
We're not going to do that.
Because the message we send to the whole world, if we don't execute those orders, is it's okay to enter the country legally.
It's a crime.
Don't worry about it.
You can show up in court or not show up in court, get an order removal.
Don't worry about it.
Become a fugitive.
No one's looking for you.
If that's the message we send to the whole world, you're never going to fix this problem.
We're an action of laws.
We're going to force those laws, and there's consequences when you violate those laws.
tim pool
Let me ask you, let's say somebody crosses the southern border illegally on the spot and is immediately apprehended by CBP or ICE.
What is due process for that person?
tom homan
There'll be an interview.
If they want to make a claim, they can make a claim.
But they're going to wait in Mexico for that claim.
I mean, what happened during Trump 45, let me tell you what happened during Trump 45 when we started to remain in Mexico program.
You can make your asylum claim, but you're going to wait in Mexico and not be released into the United States.
Because we know once you release you, the majority of you won't show up in court.
Even the ones that show up in court, the 90% of you that get order removal, you're going to win.
You become a fugitive.
So we learned very quickly, let's hold them in Mexico until they're hearing.
And that way, when they lose their hearing, which 9 out of 10 will, we don't look for them.
You know what happened within three months?
They stopped coming.
Because they knew they didn't qualify for asylum.
They were using these loopholes to get released into the United States, never to appear in court again.
Once they realized they weren't being released to the United States, this population stopped giving their life savings to the criminal cartels to swim across the river.
And either die making the journey in the desert or the river or get sexually assaulted by a member of the cartel.
All the terrible things that happened to these people.
The most vulnerable people in the world stopped giving their life savings to criminal cartels to be smuggled in the United States when they realized they weren't being released in the United States.
And the population went down.
Remaining in Mexico was a game changer.
That's one of the first things President Trump did when he came back.
It's a game changer.
Not only did it push illegal immigration, it hit historic lows.
It saves thousands of lives, but no one wants to talk about that.
President Trump's a game changer.
I mean, his policies are out-of-the-box thinking, the most successful policies.
I mean, right now, the border is the most secure border we have ever had in the history of this nation.
And the data proves it.
So, you know, God bless President Trump.
His leadership's been amazing.
tim pool
I think it's been fantastic.
How many—I've heard varying numbers.
Like, what is the total estimated number of illegal immigrants in the United States, would you say?
tom homan
More than 20 million.
I'm sick of hearing the 12 million.
I heard 12 men by media all the time.
We've been talking about 12 men for...
We know that 10.5 million that we know of came to the southern border in the last four years.
And we know there's two main gotaways.
Known gotaways, people that we caught on video drone traffic or sensor traffic that crossed the border weren't apprehended.
And we don't know how many unknown gotaways that crossed the border that weren't captured on video or drone, you know, such as the Big Ben National Park, right?
There's very little technology there.
Hundreds of people could cross the border there every day.
We wouldn't know it.
So, you know, there's well over 20 million.
tim pool
To put this in context for people to understand, the mass migration under Joe Biden, just those four years, is considered to be one of the largest human migrations in the history of the planet, of all of humanity ever.
So for me, hearing the issue of the border— Whenever something happens, they're told it's not really happening.
And then I take a look at the numbers and find out not only are we dealing with an illegal immigration crisis pertaining to crime, smuggling.
You've got Chinese nationals sneaking in.
Some are being caught with viruses, weird biological tools, whatever they're doing.
We have no idea.
Or I assume the government actually does have some idea.
Then you hear that regardless of all of that, this is one of the largest migrations in human history.
And the question has to be, how does our nation sustain this?
Because this illegal immigration creates constituencies of non-citizens who are allegiant to other countries and not this country.
So when you say AOC should be worried about our constituents, I completely agree.
But what happens in California in a sanctuary state when 10 percent of the population that they're supposed to represent isn't even from this country and is more concerned with sending money back to Central and South American nations?
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
tom homan
They go broke.
They go broke and the crime rates are going to rise.
I'm not saying every illegal alien is a criminal, but many of them are.
And every criminal illegal alien that commits a crime is a preventable crime.
So, look, that's why the whole focus is on mass deportation.
We're not going to accept this.
We're not going to accept that Joe Biden let Trump, That's almost every country in the world.
And they came here in violation of law, why millions of people are standing in line, taking their tests, doing their background investigations, paying the fees to be part of the greatest nation on earth.
And they're sitting in the back seat.
tim pool
Yeah.
tom homan
Or we're not going to put up with it.
The reason we're having a mass deportation operation is because these people enter illegally.
A vast majority have been ordered removed, and they're leaving.
And the left can cry and yell and scream and call me all the names you want.
We're going to arrest as many as we can.
And again, we're always going to prioritize the public safety threats, not security threats.
But if you're in the country illegally, that's not okay.
It's not okay to be heard illegally.
It's not okay to enter the country.
That's a crime.
It's not okay to annoyingly hire an illegal alien.
We'll be looking for you, too, because we'll prosecute a company that annoyingly hires an illegal alien.
It drives down wages.
And no one hires an illegal.
No one hires an illegal alien, either goodness or heart.
They hire them because they work them harder, pay them less, and undercut their competition that actually has U.S. citizen employees getting a better paycheck.
Drives down wages.
We're not accepting it.
We spend billions of dollars a year on social services, millions of people, animals on welfare, all sorts of other social services, the school system, the trauma centers, the hospitals.
I can go on and on and on.
That's why I'm tired of hearing that this big, beautiful bill, it's a high cost.
It's a fraction of what we pay for illegal immigration in this country every year.
That's in perpetuity.
It's a one-time cost.
Let us drive this illegal immigration down.
It's going to save the taxpayers billions of dollars in the future.
tim pool
Tom Homan, I really do appreciate you joining me to lay this all out.
I don't know if you have social media, if there's a way people can hear more from you or find out more.
tom homan
Yeah, I got social media at Real Tom Homan.
I'm not on there a lot.
I'm busy.
I imagine.
I do have a presence, but yeah, at Real Tom Homan.
tim pool
Right on.
Thank you so much for joining me.
I really do appreciate it, and have a good day.
tom homan
All right.
Thank you.
tim pool
Take care.
That was Tom Homan, and I think he's fantastic, and I agree so much.
Obviously, I think most of us agree on the issue of illegal immigration, being that it's an issue of security.
It's an issue of safety.
It's an issue of cultural cohesion.
And I think the point—actually, I thought it was fantastic that Tom brought up almost right away— That Democrats are using this for the census as a power grab.
Let me see if I can correct that blur real quick.
The camera keeps trying to focus on the microphone, so I'll pull it down.
But I'll put it this way.
The most important issue, I think, for you guys at home, and I think that gets overlooked by a lot of conservatives, there is this belief, largely, that illegal immigrants come here and vote in the millions.
And that may be, I'm not so sure.
And even if it is, I think we just, you know, we get the bill to require proof of citizenship to vote.
I think Tom makes a great point when he says, why else would Democrats oppose proof of citizenship to vote?
You need an ID to go to the movies.
Why don't you need an ID to vote?
And more importantly, the play is they will bring in illegal immigrants so that in 2030, when the census is done, they will get more congressional seats.
There's a finite amount.
I believe we have 435 in the House and then 100 in the Senate, obviously.
The Senate's going to stay the same based on states, but congressional seats, it's not going to go up.
But where we put those seats is based on population size, not citizenship size.
That has been the game.
There are some estimates that Democrats have given themselves upwards of 10 or more extra votes in Congress.
And in the Electoral College, through the use of sanctuary cities and states, that's cheating in our elections, and they've been doing it for decades or longer, and we shouldn't tolerate it.
So I take a look at this, and I say, look, man, legal asylees, like AOC likes to say, they come here seeking a better life.
I think Tom agrees.
This is the best country on the planet.
Of course you want to come here.
I get that.
Don't come here illegally.
Don't violate our laws.
And I especially don't appreciate that Democrats utilize even the worst of the worst of cartel members, rapists and gangs to boost their numbers so that when we do the census, they say, hey, look, we have an extra 200,000 people.
We need another congressional seat.
I'm not OK with it.
I don't think any of you guys should be OK with it.
If we're going to have a functioning democracy, as I like to say, it should be the American people.
And hey, that might mean your parents aren't American citizens, but they immigrated here legally, and then you were born here.
That may mean that you moved here from a foreign country, and you did it legally, and you passed your citizenship test.
You are a naturalized citizen with a right to vote.
I respect that tremendously.
Those that have due deference to our nation, recognizing how great it is, and how they'd like to join us in this great club, I say, please do so.
Here's the process.
Maybe I'm lucky because I was born here.
Okay.
My parents were born here.
Their parents were born here.
Actually, my grandma wasn't.
No, actually, I think my grandma might have been born here.
I don't know.
She's Korean.
You get the point.
I think she might have been born in Korea.
I'm not sure.
You go back far enough to get the point.
We're lucky to be born in America, and that does not mean that other people have a right to exploit our goodwill.
It means you come here legally, and maybe it's not easy.
But, yo.
The best things in life, you earn your status.
You earn your place.
You don't just steal it.
That's wrong.
My friends, we are going to give a rumble raid to our friend Russell Brand, who I believe is going live right now.
He's got a, what does he got going on?
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Because it'll be a humble brag.
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Okay.
Tim, do you snore?
And if so, how loud do you talk in your sleep or sleepwalk?
I do not talk in my sleep.
I do not sleepwalk and I do not snore.
And I have proof.
I have my sleep eight snoring.
Zero.
Zero percent snoring.
I don't snore.
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