Democrats PANIC After Leftist Star Says THEFT & MURDER Are OK On NYT | Timcast IRL
Tim Pool and guests dissect Hassan Piker's controversial NYT comments equating theft and murder to systemic justice, framing them as proof of the Democratic Party's shift toward communism. The discussion extends to Zohran Mamdani's potential NYC policies threatening economic hollowing out, China's targeting of scientists, and a suspicious Tesla death involving phone key requirements. Ultimately, the episode argues that modern liberalism undermines private property rights and the social contract, urging conservatives to resist an agenda perceived as paving the way for global totalitarianism. [Automatically generated summary]
It is officially midterm season, everybody, and Democrats, they're actually polling decently, and there's concern Republicans are going to lose.
Surprisingly, there is concern considering this is the historical trend.
A president gets elected, then the opposition party takes the House.
However, Democrats actually have some pitfalls this time around.
Notably, their favorability is at a historic low, even when they should be trending upwards, and they have a big thorn in their side with everyone's favorite leftist streamer, Hassan Piker.
Now, whatever you think of the guy, Democrats are in trouble because he's splitting the party.
He recently went on the New York Times podcast, The Opinions, and said that theft and murder are okay and that he would steal if he could get away with it.
And the hosts laugh and they enjoy it.
I think Democrats are in big trouble because you're going to get a bunch of middle of the road people who maybe don't like Donald Trump, but don't want to be party to whatever that is, where you have crime, you have street takeovers.
These are the things that people favor Republicans for.
So as we kick into high gear in midterm season, We'll, of course, be talking a lot about polls and all this stuff.
To be fair, just slow news day, to be completely honest.
I think, like, the big story that everyone's leading with is the SPLC still, which, okay, they suck.
And, you know, Donald Trump ragged on them.
So we can go with that as well.
I'm actually more excited to talk about this.
There's a story from Newsweek Chinese scientists are also disappearing.
So we've got this story in the U.S.
Now, I will say, The Atlantic put out this piece saying that you are dumb for following the scientist conspiracy.
They're saying, eh, Some old retired guy disappeared, and you're all dumb for thinking so.
Yeah, well, it's happening also in China.
And the important thing to understand is I got some sources for you.
This has happened several times in the past.
Iranian nuclear scientists getting killed or going missing.
We have stories in the 80s, we have Cold War stories.
It is common in conflict for rival nations and adversaries to take out their principal thinkers and researchers.
Maybe that's the case, but I'm going to squeeze in a little extra thing here.
There's a nuclear propulsion researcher who was found dead.
His Tesla crashed.
His body was charred and unrecognizable.
You know why that story is weird?
He left his phone and wallet at home.
And do you know why that's weird?
Your phone is the key to your Tesla.
So, as a Tesla driver myself, when I read that, I said, Oh, makes sense.
Sure, I mean, you have key cards, but I don't know a single Tesla driver who leaves their phone behind and then goes and drives their car when you use your phone as a key.
It's a weird story.
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And you know, the New York Post is jumping on this story because it's painful for Democrats.
They say at the height of the 2020 riots, a book was published entitled In Defense of Looting.
At the time, I think this is Douglas Murray wrote this.
At the time, I asked a bookshop in New York, which was prominently displaying the work, whether I could walk out with the book without paying.
I was told not.
That's a great line.
But a friend did download and publish the work for free online before being served a copyright notice by the pro looting books publisher.
Some of us had hoped the madness of that summer had gone away, but this week we got a good reminder that for a part of the left, the question of whether or not it's right to steal is still being mulled over.
Well, I'm going to play this clip for you that's been going viral with 7.7 million views.
Guys, just make Hassan the leader of the Democratic Party.
I'm not even playing.
He represents the left perfectly.
There's a reason why he's the biggest left wing streamer.
The Democratic Party that we know is long gone.
It's the people that are holding it together that are more moderate, they're old.
Hassan represents the young left.
And I also represent people who forget to unmute tabs.
And Brian Thompson, as the United Healthcare CEO, was engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder.
The systematized forms of violence, the structural violence of poverty, the for profit, paywalled. System of healthcare in this country.
And the consequences of that are tremendous amounts of pain, tremendous amounts of violence, tremendous amounts of deaths.
And that was a fascinating story for me because Americans are very draconian about crime and punishment.
They're very black and white on this issue.
And yet, because of the pervasive pain that the private healthcare system Had created for the average American, I saw so many people immediately understand why this death had taken place.
Well, I'm pro stealing from big corporations because, you know, they steal quite a bit more from their own workers.
However, one thing that might even help your ethical dilemma is the fact that the automated process that they design, these companies know will increase shrink, right?
So it's actually factored in.
The lemons that you stole are factored into the bottom line of these mega corporations, regardless, and they still end up having increased profit margins because they no longer have to pay the cashiers that they used to hire as opposed to this automated system, knowing full well that people are.
Still going to be able to steal, still steal a lot more efficiently, as a matter of fact, through the automated process.
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Totally.
Well, I also was looking at things like this, and shrinkage is roughly equal internally as externally.
Like they expect it from their employees that they are sort of.
To be fair, it's word salad because he wants it to sound.
Instead of just saying it sucks to be poor, he has to make it something about how it's your fault you're poor.
And I like to stress to these communists the existence of luxury is not oppressing you.
A guy who flies around in a gyrocopter over your property, well, over your property maybe is a problem, but if I see a dude who owns a gyrocopter flying over the river, which they do, I'm not saying I'm being oppressed because he won't let me fly his gyrocopter.
A guy over there has a thing he's allowed to have.
In Hassan's mind, if someone has something and they don't give it to you, they are oppressing you.
To be fair, if he is cognizant of why that is theft, then I got to give it to him because he's basically just saying, as a barbarian, he will take whatever he wants and no one can stop him.
Like they think that they can do all of these things.
They could steal if they want to, but they don't mean.
They should be stolen from.
It's like Douglas Murray points out in that book and in the, in the column.
And then the other thing too is AOC was saying in the summer of 2020 that, um, you know, shoplifting is okay.
You had people saying looting is reparations.
And you can't forget that these Democrat communist progressives on the left are, uh, you know, have been backing the SPLC, which had to gin up hate in order to get donations so that they could fight that very hate.
And meanwhile, they're cozying up to really hateful people like Hassan Piker.
And we can tell people that when they have to push a button, In the drugstore to have someone come unlock the case so they can get a tube of toothpaste.
This is why.
I mean, look, what they're saying is they don't believe in private property.
That's fundamentally what it is.
It's okay to steal because everything is yours anyway.
I agree with Hassan Piker, at least on Whole Foods, because Whole Foods historically, my understanding is I just did a double check on this, has contributed to progressive and liberal causes as well as their employees overwhelmingly don't.
Donate to progressives and leftists.
So, the first thing I thought when he said, you know, they automate these systems and shrinkages factor in, he is correct.
That means when Amazon opened their first store that was fully automated, you walk in, grab whatever you want, walk out.
I actually did a penetration test, we called it.
I broke their security.
I was able to leave.
I was able to take a bag full of groceries and leave without paying for it.
Full disclosure, we did pay for it, but I was able to break the system, alert them as to how we did it.
And they told me explicitly the amount of money they save on human labor is so much, they actually don't care about theft.
And so I'm thinking about that, and he's correct, but my problem with that is I have to pay a higher price for my milk because people like him steal.
And then I thought about it, and I was like, well, hold on.
If Whole Foods supports his politics, then why should I be the sucker?
Paying for stuff that Whole Foods doesn't want me to pay for.
Like, my point is this if Whole Foods is funding progressives who say to steal from them, they may as well put up a big sign saying, No, actually, we want you to steal.
Only the suckers pay.
In which case, to the employees who work there and donate, when you get fired because they can't make any money anymore, well, that's what you asked for.
You know, I mean, if you look at New York City too, you have Mamdani talking about how he's essentially going to tax wealthier, whiter neighborhoods in order to, you know, help the people who.
And it's two parents watching their kid play Mario.
And they're smiling and going like this.
And in their thought bubble, they're looking at a job listing saying, job needed Super Mario Brothers player $20,000 a year, looking for expert Mario Brothers player.
The joke at the time was that you would never get a job playing video games.
Well, as we know now, You can get a lot of money playing video games for a living.
My point is, maybe what they can do in New York is turn urinating into the street into some kind of entertainment that people will pay money to watch.
And just like video games, you can make something enjoyable, at least for the people of New York, and turn it into a lucrative business.
I mean, the entire reason that we have government in the first place, if you think back to Leviathan and some of these early political philosophers, the only reason that we have a social contract with the government is to protect private property.
That's literally it.
It's the idea that we cede some of our freedom to an organization that's supposed to protect us and keep us safe and we pay taxes.
And that's how government has evolved.
That's the only reason.
That people have agreed to part with some of their freedom to have a government.
And so, what they're suggesting completely undermines all of Western civilization, completely undermines the social contract that we have with our government.
If private property is no longer going to be protected, what are we doing here?
The corporatocracy is concerning the Chinese billionaires buying American farmland, it is legal, but at some point, you may want to seize that property from the Chinese because the American citizen comes first in America.
If you go to certain parts of the country and you've seen this where they allow crime to run free, and your example, when everyone thinks they can go and steal the stuff out of the grocery store, guess what happens to the grocery store?
It closes and they leave.
It doesn't even go out of business.
They just shut it and say, we're out of here.
And then the Democrats demand that they actually stay and operate it.
And then you end up with Mom Dhani opening a $30 million supermarket, which is going to be, by the way, much more expensive per square foot than the Whole Foods that regular people can't afford to shop at.
I think, you know, we got this article from the New York Times.
This is why there's no liberal Joe Rogan.
It used to be titled, Hassan Piker is not the enemy or something like that.
And I just look at this picture of all these people gathering around Hassan Piker, and I'm just like, I think the collective IQ of this whole group is maybe like 400.
And according to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, someone who obtains citizenship through fraud can be denaturalized and deported.
And should, as your accusation pans out to be, following an investigation into what his parents did, should it turn out to have been fraudulent, he should be stripped of citizenship and deported back to Turkey.
But he said he doesn't have an ounce of patriotism.
There's no love for this country.
What I truly don't understand is why do all of these people who hate us, who hate our values, who hate the American project, who hate the history, why do they all come?
It's like if you look in the Quran, which I haven't read, But which one of my columnists worked on a few years ago, and I read all of her stories.
Anyway, she was telling me that the first part of jihad is to become part of a society, to assimilate into it if you're not in the majority, to take what you can, to take up a victim status, and then to slowly gain everybody's trust as you gain political power.
And one thing that's interesting about the Islamic immigrants from, you know, Arabia and North Africa is unlike the traditional immigrant experience where people wait until they gain political power, you know, like the Irish, the Italians, you know, Jews, like, It's like a couple generations before you start getting involved in the political apparatus of your community.
You'll see first generation Somalis like Elhan Omar getting involved in politics right there, right all of a sudden.
And that is a different thing than we've previously seen.
And it makes you start to think maybe you weren't in some sort of crazy survival situation where you needed to hurry up and go somewhere else and establish a new life and get your feet back under you and get your whole thing together.
But by the way, in those cases, it's called eminent domain.
They actually give them the market value of it.
They don't just take it.
And we do that all the time.
If they want to expand the road out in front of here, the government can seize the property in order to expand the road, but then they have to give you the market price to do it.
That's been something that's been around for a long time.
I think the challenge here is what does it mean to be an American?
By the way, in West Virginia, when you try to get married, Uh, because my wife and I we got married, and uh, duh, they go, Are you related to each other?
People are smarter or less smart is because when you marry your cousins, it turns out it's a bad idea.
And that's part of what the left is a bad idea.
It's a bad idea.
It's a bad idea to first order, you know.
And but but they're debating that in parliament in the UK now about then and people are saying if you don't allow cousin marriage, you're Islamophobic, you know.
Well, no, I mean, if that's what we can say, part of our problem in our society today is we have stopped saying some cultures are better than others.
There used to be a time there were cultures that said it was okay to eat people, and we said nope, not okay.
There were cultures that said child sacrifice was okay, and we said nope.
That's not okay.
But somehow we have forgotten that.
And it is okay for us to say the American culture is the best culture that's ever existed.
No, I was just going to say I mean, with Hassan Piker, we kind of started this by saying, Oh, isn't this disastrous for Democrats?
I don't know that that's true because they seem to be embracing him and sort of glossing him.
Obviously, he's on the New York Times podcast.
He's getting platformed.
He's invited to Yale to speak at the same time that, for instance, at UCLA, a woman who survived the 10 7 attacks was faced with protests because it was offensive to students that.
Somebody who had survived that kind of violence should speak because they were pro.
None of it makes any sense.
But it's interesting.
We're also saying, you know, Obama spending time with Zoran Momdani.
So there is just an eagerness.
And you even saw it in the facial expression of the woman who was interviewing him.
There's so much eagerness to latch on to what they see as charisma and reaching the youth.
And no one in the Democratic Party is willing to call this out.
Well, my favorite part of the Yale. Speech was when Hassan said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century.
And then he was like, after it ended, people were committing suicide.
They lost their jobs.
There was a lot of rape and children being murdered.
And it's funny because it's like, uh huh.
And all that was happening while the Soviet Union existed too.
So, your point is bad things the Soviet Union were doing persisted after they ended?
He was saying that after the Soviet Union collapsed, there was a lot of suicide, murder, crime, and those bad things emerged from the collapse of the Soviet Union.
He's trying to make this point that while the Soviet Union was bad for a lot of reasons, they had some stability, and after they fell, everything was chaotic and destructive.
And the problem is, the Soviet Union went and, like, you know, I don't know, killed like 30 million.
They had everybody in like 30 million people.
There's like so many people in jail.
Yeah, Ukrainians starved to death in the, was it the 30s, the Holodomor?
And Hassan, you know, I wonder too, because how does someone so intentionally, like, you know, I don't think he's stupid.
I don't think you get to these positions by being dumb, but he is dishonest.
And, uh, There's a lot of examples of this.
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to jump to this from the New York Times.
This is the article where they actually highlight the interview with Hassan.
The rich don't play by the rules, so why should I?
Is that a quote from Hassan?
I'm just going to do this real quick.
I really want to see if that's something he actually said.
Because if it is.
Okay, no.
Okay, Spiegelman said that.
I was going to say, if Hassan said that, I was going to say he is rich.
But I want to jump to this portion of the interview.
So, you can understand the depravity that is the modern liberal condition.
Tolentino says, This is one of the individuals on the podcast for the New York Times.
One thing that should be legal that isn't, bracket.
I'm going to read the bracket for you in a second, the M dash, sorry, but I want to finish her thought.
One thing that should be legal that isn't may be things like blowing up a pipeline.
Let's say that.
Now, there's a big thing in the middle there that I do think is worth reading, but just to point out, Her idea is it should be legal to blow up pipelines.
Now, let me read what you said.
One thing that should be legal that isn't, it's interesting because I have to regularly explain this stuff to a small child and have so thoroughly explained it to her that some things are against the rules, but they're okay, depending on who you are.
And some things are not against the rules, but they're not okay.
There are so many perfectly legal things I do regularly that I find mildly immoral, like getting iced coffee in a plastic cup.
I find that to be a profoundly selfish, immoral, collectively destructive action.
I have taken so many planes for so many pleasure reasons.
I have acted in so many selfish ways that are not only legal, but they're sanctioned and they're unbelievably valorized culturally.
So, maybe things like blowing up a pipeline.
Let's say that.
She literally said it is morally wrong to drink coffee in a plastic cup, but it's okay to blow up a pipeline.
The current state of the modern liberal condition is that murder, terrorism, and theft are legal and acceptable, or should be legal and are acceptable.
We technically never have had a communist system because a communist state is an oxymoron.
Communism means there is no state.
I haven't seen it.
You get this small group of 12 people into power, and then they, like with the Chinese and with the Russians, the Soviets, they just hold on and forever.
Curtis Yarvin, I think, said this that Republicans treat power the way a wine snob treats alcohol, and Democrats treat power the way an alcoholic treats alcohol.
I also think inherently, like conservatives, the conservative impulse, and most Republicans are conservatives, is to maintain the status quo, is to preserve what we have.
And naturally, most Democrats are revolutionaries.
They want to destroy, they want to blow things up.
It seems like it's like society's hanging on to the 20th century with oil and all these old technologies, and we're rapidly advancing to light speed information, like AI communication, virtual realities, you know.
Some of these wild new technologies like talking plasma were in.
I'm fairly certain, correct me if I'm wrong, but you probably have a better understanding due to classified briefings on technology than the average person, than the average American.
It's about controlling people because if you control the energy and you control everybody's jobs and you get rid of private property, then suddenly everyone is working for the government or getting money from the government, getting fed from the government, getting their health care from the government.
And then suddenly you're not an independent person.
You're not a liberty, you're not a free person.
You're a person who.
Serves government and government, of course, is supposed to serve us.