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April 24, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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SPLC ORDERED To TURN OVER Communications With Biden DOJ w/ James Klug | Timcast IRL

Tim Pool, James Klug, and guests dissect the SPLC's forced disclosure of communications with the Biden DOJ regarding wire fraud allegations against informants transporting Nazis. The group debates whether right-wing figures like Nick Fuentes operate as government operations or if lethal injection causes unnecessary suffering compared to firing squads. They analyze new self-defense laws in Texas and Tennessee, contrasting high-trust societies where written rules seem redundant with diverse populations requiring strict legal frameworks. The conversation expands to constitutional interpretations, declining social trust, and futuristic speculation on humanoid robots, zero-point energy, and the "Greater Earth" conspiracy theory before concluding with remote island demographics and corporate HR liabilities. [Automatically generated summary]

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House Panel Orders SPLC Documents 00:03:12
tim pool
House panel has ordered the Southern Poverty Law Center to turn over their communications to the Biden DOJ as the conspiracy runs deeper.
And it's funny because we're seeing a lot of defense from these liberal groups and leftists saying they were just paying informants because they're ignoring the fact the indictment alleges they were providing money to an informant who provided transport for Nazis to some of these rallies like Unite the Right.
Let me just break it down for you very simply.
Conservatives would put together a peaceful rally, not for Nazis.
Liberal groups would then pay Nazis to show up.
Then these liberal groups and the media would say every conservative there was a Nazi.
That is the very fine people hoax.
And it's what they've been doing for a long time, and now they're getting exposed.
Interestingly, I've been talking about this all day.
It's kind of funny.
It's a conspiracy theory that Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens are in fact paid by the SPLC because on the same day, apparently, they both traveled to Italy at the same time.
And many people are pointing out that they, as well as many others, stopped talking the moment this indictment dropped, which is not correct.
It's not correct.
I don't think.
Nick and Candace are funded by the SPLC or anything like that.
But people are certainly wondering why this weird timing is happening.
I also think a lot of it is just meant to smear them both.
I think it's a lot easier just to accuse your enemies of being part of a secret cabal than to just acknowledge that maybe they have fans.
But that being said, Matt Walsh has called this out, saying he predicted we would find there are a lot of convenient right wing personalities that have been funded all along.
So we'll talk about that and a whole lot more.
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tim pool
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Share the show with everyone, you know, joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is James Klug.
james klug
What's going on, you guys?
My name is James Klug.
I am the host of the James Klug YouTube channel.
We do street political videos on YouTube, youtube.comslash James Klug.
I'm excited to be here.
Also, I had some coffee right before this.
I'm flying.
ian crossland
Oh, man, I'm drinking it right now.
I'm sure you guys' coffee's great.
Yeah, I deleted it slowly over time with coconut water.
james klug
Oh, that's a good move.
ian crossland
So awesome.
This is the rise with Roberto Jr., I believe.
No, it might be the graphene dream.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Things got hazy before I had it in my mouth.
I'm at Ian Crossland.
Hey, find me on the internet, Ian Crossland, Tate Brown.
tate brown
I'm at Ian Crossland.
Hey, find me on the internet, Ian Crossland.
unidentified
Tate Brown.
I'm a huge Klughead.
tate brown
Let's get after him.
carter banks
Welcome back, James.
Let's get into it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got this story from Zero Hedge.
I didn't mean to click the image of it.
And it reads House panel orders Southern Poverty Law Center to turn over communications with the Biden DOJ.
This is massive.
In a letter to Brian Fair, SPLC interim president and chief executive, Jordan wrote that publicly available documents revealed how the DOJ partnered closely with the SPLC during the Biden Harris administration, including scheduling regular meetings, giving the SPLC early access to federal law enforcement data.
And allowing SPLC employees to train federal prosecutors.
The letter was also posted to social media.
The chairman's demand came two days after a grand jury in Alabama returned an 11 count indictment alleging the SPLC had committed wire fraud, made false statements to federally insured banks, and conspired to conceal money laundering.
I'm just going to go ahead and say I think the SPLC is a fed op.
I think it's.
So let me put it like this.
I don't think it's necessarily the government that does it.
I think there's an ideological faction of individuals with wealth and power that operate in the government and in the private sector.
It's not so much to say that the government directs these things, but they are one in the same.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think they probably the company started off as it was supposed to with its charter and then got co opted along the way.
It wouldn't surprise me if that was.
james klug
I'm really happy to see this going on because how many people have you spoken to that voted for Donald Trump for like redemption or, you know, cracking down on these?
Corrupt groups that have been making conservatives' lives miserable, making their media miserable, everything like that.
And people are finally actually seeing that here.
There's a lot more to go, but this is a great start.
This is excellent.
tim pool
Have you seen the conspiracies, though?
Candace and Nick both abruptly flew to Italy?
james klug
I saw that right before this, actually.
Is that legit?
tim pool
Before they flew?
james klug
No, before the show.
unidentified
I just pulled that up.
tim pool
So, I mean, my understanding is there's images of Nick in Rome.
He hasn't streamed in 10 days, his last stream.
And Candace tweeted, I thought I told you guys I was traveling.
unidentified
Bye.
tim pool
And according to a bunch of these posts, I don't know if they're true.
She flew to Italy.
Ian Carroll also said, going dark for a little bit after David Wilcox took his own life.
And I'm like, what?
What does that have to do with him?
So I don't actually think they're funded by the SPLC.
It is interesting timing, however.
I will stress Candace's husband is a British lord.
Her lawyers work in a building with federal agents, which is odd.
And her lawyer representing her, Is a preeminent Zionist who, when exposed by Laura Loomer, dropped himself from her case.
All I can really say is coincidences happen all the time.
It doesn't mean they're connected.
Nick might have gone to Rome for a fun trip, having a good time.
What if, though, what if?
You think there's a possibility that this private public conglomerate that has been running these ops could be paying right wing personalities, be it Nick, Candace, or anybody else?
james klug
I think that's 100% chance.
Honestly, that's what I'm saying.
Not them specifically.
I'm saying just in general, 100%.
That's what I would do if I was them.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
And, you know, like for us, we're paid directly by Israel.
So, you know, clearly, what it is.
tate brown
Yeah, we know how it works.
I mean, we use the same banking, actually, Western Union.
It's fantastic.
tim pool
No, I mean, I think Netanyahu himself, you got to go to Walmart to pick it up.
tate brown
Yeah, Alex Jones had put something out, like, regarding Fuentas, like, it was like a pre planned, like, family vacation.
So that one, I don't think is as suspicious, but the Canvas one's a little weird because, I mean, that was like, again, out of nowhere.
tim pool
They're both in Italy, apparently.
I don't know.
Okay, you know what?
Maybe it's not true.
tate brown
I think he's like Italian or.
Anyway, so that's why he said family vacation.
That kind of makes sense.
unidentified
And so did she?
tate brown
The Candace one is bizarre to your point.
The federal connections, the issues.
And then hers makes a little bit more sense because there's a lot more subversion as far as her directly.
I mean, she has so much accumulated power with the GOP already.
tim pool
She was a lib.
tate brown
Right.
But she had, I mean, she's obviously been a ladder climber her whole career.
There's no doubt about that.
But specifically, the way she integrated herself in the conservative commentariat and the power structure, she was structurally part of this whole operation.
Just to flip on a dime.
And then, yeah, now this indictment drops.
All of a sudden, she splits town.
It's like, what's going on?
tim pool
The reason why I think Candace is an op, I do think she's an op in some way or somehow.
She's a lib.
She runs social autopsy.
She's doxing conservatives.
All of a sudden, she goes red pill black and discovers that she's actually a conservative, gets a job with these companies.
Then, all of a sudden, she leaves Daily Wire and now she's flipped again the other direction.
Now she's saying Trump is bad.
Don't vote for Trump.
But when she attacked Nick Shirley, that's when I went, okay.
Now this makes no sense.
There is not, there's, there.
james klug
Like adding a conspiracy to Shirley's work.
tim pool
She, she went to an old video from a year ago and then said he made, he, it was fabricated.
unidentified
Right.
james klug
I saw that.
unidentified
Yeah.
Why?
Yeah.
james klug
There's literally no point.
And, and, and, and, but not just that.
tim pool
Nick didn't do anything.
james klug
Literally, there's no point to doing that.
tim pool
So here's the thing the video with Nick was that he met gang leaders in Brazil and interviewed them, which is entirely easy and normal to do.
But attacking that work as if to imply he fabricates things to attack his current work.
Why would she be doing that?
Because she's an op, because she is meant to destabilize and destroy the right.
I actually look at it this way Trump weaponized the conspiratar right.
So, with like QAnon and all that, these people who believe in greater earth or flat earth or otherwise are flocking to Donald Trump to go for the deep state.
Candace is capturing those people and pushing them away from Trump.
tate brown
Yeah, well, it's all like part of it.
I mean, Trump, you know, he rode the populist wave, he utilized populism.
This is the downside of populism, is what we're seeing now is that at a certain point, And Orban realized this and he lost his race for that matter is like you can utilize it as a political vehicle for so long, but at a certain point, you have to have the institutionalized, you do have to intellectualize sort of the whole concept.
And that, you know, there was a push for that to happen.
But yeah, this is naturally going to happen in populism when it's like, again, let's just sort of advocate for the common man, advocate for, you know, the most popular seeming opinions.
That maybe worked in the 20th century when in the 21st century, social media and everything gets derailed quite quickly, and you're seeing it now.
I mean, again, where even whatever, you know, criticism you want to level up the Trump administration, A lot of what I'm seeing is just emotion.
It's, um, there's not much, you know, there's not much analysis going on.
There's not much like, okay, he did well here, but he did there bad there.
james klug
They're just like very clutching, like the left's arguments.
Yeah, it's like, it's like, no, no, I'm gonna stick with like my catchphrases and stick with things that are easy and I will not elaborate.
It's like, okay, well, hold on.
We, we, it's, it kind of reminds me of the people that uh go the opposite direction, just a full, totally unnecessary look.
They're, they're anti the what's going on in Iran with the Iran war and everything like that.
Okay, fair take.
Reasonable, you can talk about that.
But then there's also this push to be like, no, it's not just that.
They're actually good and they've never done anything wrong ever.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
You're like, well, hold on.
You're losing me now.
This is psycho, what you're saying right now.
unidentified
Yeah, literally.
tate brown
I mean, because like, I mean, I myself, I mean, I've been opposed to the Iran war since day one.
I think it's a mistake.
I've even, you know, combed through some of these like self deportation numbers and I'm like, you know, I'm a little skeptical that we're actually pulling those things out.
james klug
Self deportation, you're saying?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tate brown
Like if you go through some of those numbers.
But I'm also saying across the board, we're still making progress like dramatically.
And again, I just am not really expecting.
Perfection here.
I'm expecting him to do a better job than the previous president, certainly, but to do a better job than any of the other Republican candidates.
Because that's really how you would evaluate.
It's like, okay, if you're done with Trump, if you feel betrayed, et cetera, et cetera, that's whatever.
What's the more viable political vehicle that's currently being crowded out right now?
There is none.
He's the only show in town, as far as I'm concerned, at least for my political aims, my political goals.
And primarily for me, it's immigration.
And I'm like, well, I mean, he is pushing on immigration harder than anyone in the Republican Party has, probably since Nixon, if not since Eisenhower.
james klug
There are boundaries.
There's like levels to which you can even achieve when it comes to.
Mass deportations, for example.
Like, sure, could they be doing more in multiple places?
Sure, but at the same time, there's only enough immigration judges.
There's only enough, you know, areas where ICE detention facilities, all of that.
So there's only enough ICE agents.
So, what, 2025, when they're still adding to all of that deportation infrastructure, they broke interior removal records by four to five times Obama's average.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
No, it's the best of my lifetime.
I'll tell you that much.
tate brown
Undeniable.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
And it better get better.
It better improve too.
And we should be demanding more.
tate brown
Right, exactly.
james klug
Acknowledge where there's something good happening and demand more.
That's what we have to do to save the country.
Bottom line, you can't just be like, oh, something's good.
You know, it's fine.
We're just going to settle for that.
No, it's no, no, no, more of it now.
tate brown
Because it is true that, like, you know, the supporters of President Trump, which include myself, by a long stretch, like, we are expecting transformational leadership.
And so to your point, I mean, it's like, Okay, we can do the whole, well, at least it's not Kamala thing.
But I would have been saying that if it was, you know, I don't know, Jeb Bush, like, it'd be like, well, at least it's not Hillary.
It's like, we do have the demand more.
We do need to expect more.
But at the same time, let's not freak out.
Let's not get emotional.
Let's realize, I mean, even Tucker, who's been like one of Trump's biggest attractors the last month, he said on a show, he's like, President Trump came into office and he started bumping up against interests that most presidents didn't even realize were there.
That's why presidents often are quite like, they realize how rigid the system is once they get in.
And there's not much you can do about that.
President Trump, When you see the stuff like we're doubling the refugee cap, but it's still only for white South Africans, that indicates to me where their mindset is at on immigration.
And I'm like, I am confident that they are thinking the same things that I'm thinking as far as what needs to be done.
And if you look at Stephen Miller, for example, and some of these other guys in the administration, the tactics that they're using, they're having to do so many workarounds because, again, there's just so much rigidity in the system.
The system has been built to facilitate mass migration.
It takes a while to undo that.
james klug
It's been built by leftists to facilitate, like maybe, yeah, big corporations wanting to exploit cheap illegal labor, sure.
But also at the same time, leftists.
So that's why you have all these judges.
So, for example, in 2025, like last year, right?
You had the Trump administration trying to push out as many activists out of this system as possible, where in March, I believe they brought on like 43 or so new judges.
You better believe judges, you better believe they're all going to be conservative and are going to get the job done instead of battling every step of the way.
tate brown
Well, look at like the SPLC, that video that came out where they were showing around his house.
This is the mindset of basically the entire political system for the last 60 years.
And that guy's.
Office, he had a handwritten running log of the white share of the population dropping.
As in, he was giddy.
He was celebrating watching the white population in the United States drop.
That is the mindset of basically the entire political system, every single apparatchik that's operated in the deep state, but even on the state that we can see, because presidents would say that out loud.
Bill Clinton was like thrilled that the white population is the majority or minority of the country.
And that's whatever.
Even if that's not your prerogative, you have to admit that that's bizarre.
You have to admit that that's weird.
You have to admit that that's like hateful and bigoted.
And those are the guys that have designed this entire system.
So, yeah, I am going to cut the Trump administration a lot of slack here.
Again, if four years go by and then it's, I mean, we're still nowhere close to even getting the Biden, you know, migrants out, then that's a conversation.
But we're a year and a half in.
Is there more that could be done?
Yes.
Is there some disappointing things that have happened?
Yes.
But if you look across the board, asylum has dropped way down.
ICE arrests are at all time highs.
Interior deportations are at all time highs.
The self deportation system or the environment is hostile right now.
So, again, there are people that are self deporting.
And that's going to increase again as it gets more and more of a sort of hostile environment towards illegal immigration.
james klug
Never in history.
unidentified
Broadly.
james klug
Yeah, never in history have ICE agents been dealing with baboons, like literally attacking them in the street everywhere that they go.
Like these people are acting like absolute lunatics.
Minneapolis, I mean, I was out there for like one day.
These people are psychopaths.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
Controlling every single street, no cops in sight, no nothing.
It's just, okay, you know, spend your entire day following, harassing, attacking ICE agents.
That has never happened before.
So, on top of all the other issues that they've been having, They're getting chased down in the street as well and doxxed and whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next door.
We got some CNN.
Trump's DOJ is bringing back firing squads for federal executions.
That's it.
That's the news.
Lethal Force And Innocent Lives 00:15:04
tim pool
And I'm in favor of it, and I'll tell you why.
I oppose the death penalty.
I think that a system that can condemn people to death will condemn innocent people to death, and therein lies a big challenge.
The easiest way to argue it is when Kamala Harris walks up to you and says, Trust me, that guy deserves to die, will you say, Okay, Kamala?
Because she was a prosecutor.
These are the kind of people that are telling you to kill other people.
That being said, I do think there are crimes so egregious, these people are a danger to themselves, to everyone else around them.
Sometimes you are put in a situation where Death is the outcome.
What I mean by that is, when there is someone who is on the verge of killing, harming, or is a direct threat to another person, we recognize the legal right to defend yourself and others.
That's when I understand that sometimes people do forfeit their lives, so it's unfortunate.
That being said, the reason why I support this is that firing a lot of the games that we play in the death penalty, whatever your opinion is on it, lethal injection is fake.
If you read about lethal injection, you'll know that they say, oh, people just pass, they peacefully just die.
They inject you the paralytic agent so that you can't show pain and then you die an excruciating death.
This is a waste of time and money.
If you are going to have a death penalty, this is the way you do it.
I don't understand why anyone would argue this is inhumane to just be like, we are going to shoot you and you will die instantly.
These other methods, like the electric chair or whatever, are inhumane.
The firing squad is actually one of the most humane ways to carry on an execution, though I will stress, I'm not a fan of the death penalty.
ian crossland
I would like to see the numbers on how many firing squads have produced instant death.
Death on the person and how often they fall down and suffer and bleed out and have to be finished off.
Because it's like, I think a firing squad is a row of dudes and one of them has a blank in the chamber.
So it takes away, it's like plausible deniability.
Like maybe I wasn't the one that hit him.
unidentified
Yeah, that's why it is.
tate brown
The whole purpose was to sort of abdicate guilt, you know, because no matter what, the executioner, unless they're a psycho, it's going to be in the back of their head like I just killed a guy.
So the whole point of the firing squad is, yeah, plausible deniability.
carter banks
I assume I'm not supposed to aim at like a lethal spot though.
I don't know enough about it.
james klug
They do torso, they don't do.
So, or something that'd be crazy.
tim pool
Statistically, death by firing squad is near instantaneous, uh, as opposed to other methods like the lethal injection takes several minutes over a long period of time where you are consciously having the chemicals injected.
And the argument that I've read, I've read about it, is they do three chemicals.
The first paralyzes you, the next causes extreme and intense pain as the third one kills you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And I think the key word you use is forfeit life because this is my same take on a lot of these states now are passing laws where you can protect your property with lethal force.
And everyone, you know, left wing people are like, You know, well, what you're killing someone for stuff, you value stuff over human life.
And it's like, no, that person is the one that's putting themselves in that situation.
That person is the one that is sort of sacrificing their life for my stuff.
So that says more about them than it does about me.
So, and that's kind of the same kind of take I have on executions is like, no, when they decided to commit this horrific act, whatever led to this charge, that was the moment where they forfeited their life.
That's the moment where the death penalty was issued.
james klug
It's not the firing squad member.
tim pool
But again, like the question over someone, so the issue of the death penalty is, Can they be rehabilitated?
And if they cannot be, then we have a problem because we can't release them back to the public where they'll kill again.
My issue is not with the idea that some people deserve to die.
It's unfortunate.
It's an unfortunate reality that if a guy pulls a gun on you and is about to kill you or a child, we don't want them to die.
But in that action, they have forfeited their lives because they're trying to kill other people.
The problem with the death penalty is when Kamala Harris walks up to me and points to a guy sitting in a chair and says, he should die and I'm going to do it right now.
Tell me I'm allowed.
And I'm going to be like, I don't know who that guy is.
And they're going to be like, trust me, he deserves to die.
I understand people say, There are instances where the evidence is overwhelming.
unidentified
Agreed.
tim pool
The issue is there are instances where it's not.
And that means there's going to be a percentage of people who are desperately pleading not to be murdered, and you're handing an axe to Kamala Harris to go kill somebody.
Now, again, that being said, back to the firing squad thing.
In extreme cases, some people survive for minutes after up to a minute after being shot.
These are rare examples, though, that also exist in other forms of execution, like the electric chair and lethal injection, where they can be botched.
However, typically with firing squads, they aim at the heart, you die instantly.
And as anybody knows, ask somebody who's been shot.
People who get shot don't immediately know they've been shot.
There's like people watch movies, and a certain person gets shot, and they go, and they fly backward.
Watch any of these body camera videos.
There will be shots, and the cop will be like searching himself.
And they'll be like, I don't know, I don't know, because you don't feel anything.
For firing squads, when people get shot, they don't feel anything, they just die instantly.
So I would say this ridiculous, modern, politically correct way that we approach these things like, we need to have a lethal injection.
No, no, no, no, get out of here, get out of here.
Hang them.
If you decided someone should die, make it instant, get it done with.
What is the point?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Is the point to maximize suffering so people can watch and go, I want to see him suffer?
Some people like that.
I'm not interested in any of that.
If someone, like, I'll put it this way if there's a guy holding a hatchet about to strike a child, we legally recognize everywhere you as a bystander can shoot and kill that person to save the life of that child.
They're not going to be wrong.
Jersey and New York might still put you in prison for it.
However, what you are not allowed to do anywhere is shoot his legs out, walk up to him as he's on the ground bleeding, and then start digging your heel into his wound and shooting him in the stomach several times so he lives through the pain.
That's not allowed.
We don't recognize that as justifiable.
So when I look at all these techniques they have for the death penalty, the ones that prolong or increase pain should not be allowed.
Shoot them.
It's over.
We're done.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Because the death penalty, the purpose of it isn't for justice or revenge.
It's just to, again, perform a mechanism.
This person is unable to rehabilitate themselves or the state's unable to rehabilitate them.
So again, you're just removing them from society.
Again, I mean, there's justice involved, but the problem is you're never going to actually.
Sort of achieve justice when some innocent person was killed, and then this person's clearly guilty.
There's no exchange there.
The whole purpose is just a mechanism.
The same thing with prison.
Like prison is a mechanism to incapacitate people from harming other people.
That's the whole purpose of it.
james klug
I've had a ton of trouble figuring out where I stand exactly on that because I think your first point of like, okay, flip it, right?
Kamala Harris gets control over that and they get to say this person needs to be put to death.
That's a little bit sketchy, obviously.
But, you know, what's more of a punishment?
The death or for that individual?
Let's say they did something so terrible.
What's more of a punishment?
Being in prison for the rest of their life or the death and presumably quick death.
tim pool
It's death.
It's going to be death.
I mean, I got to tell you, some people want to die.
I get it.
But just for the people out there, I want you to imagine.
You are sitting in a room, and they tell you, We are going to walk you right now, and you will be dead in one minute.
Or you can sit here, locked in here, and read a book.
james klug
Yeah.
tim pool
Everyone's going to be like, I don't want to die.
Right.
The scariest thing with death penalty for me is we have executed innocent people.
The response is, It's unfortunate.
We should prevent it from happening.
But it's the unfortunate consequence that sometimes mistakes happen.
So I just want you to imagine being that innocent person being walked to your death where people are screaming at you and calling you a murderer, and you did not do it.
And no matter what you say, no one will believe you, and you're about to die.
And then they say, Yeah, well, then you'll go to heaven because God will judge you.
And I'm like, That is not solace for the innocent people, of which there are many hundreds who have been executed.
So, again, I understand there is a big difference between watching a guy about to harm, abuse, or otherwise, you know, kill a child and stopping him from doing it and a guy you've never met that you are being instructed to walk to his death.
These are big, these are very different.
It's not easy.
It's not easy.
Nobody wants to defend, you know, child murderers and rapists, and nobody wants to release them back into society.
So, I understand all of those points.
My point is not to defend them.
It's to say you've got blue states, largely, and don't get me wrong, there's red states that have done this as well, where some crackpot official is just like, don't know, don't care.
He was convicted, so he dies now.
And I'm like, man, I ain't doing that.
Famously, I don't know who was it, France, who did this.
The idea, do you know why we do a firing squad?
Do you guys know the purpose of a firing squad?
james klug
Well, I think for one, to kill.
ian crossland
I believe for the shooter.
tim pool
Indeed.
The reason you have more than one shooter is that no one knows who actually killed him.
Exactly, yeah.
And apparently, one of the guys has a blank.
They say one of the guns is loaded with blanks, and it could be any one of it.
That way, the individual can be like, it wasn't me who killed him.
They can all believe I was the one with blanks.
Because nobody wants to be the executioner.
Some people might.
james klug
If you do have the death penalty, having that is at least something good for the executioner, for sure.
tim pool
I think maybe it's Japan or somewhere.
Maybe Japan doesn't do this, but there's a country where the electric chair and the lethal injection have three switches, where three people, like two of the buttons are fake.
One of the buttons is real, and they all press the button, and nobody knows who actually did it.
unidentified
That's probably good.
ian crossland
I wouldn't want to breed executioners as a society because there's like pig killers, pig farmers that, like, I saw this video.
This guy's like, I don't know.
I see pig, I kill it.
And he's like smashing baby pigs on the ground and like throw, they're just like meat sacks to him.
And you could train a human to treat other humans like that.
So I'm glad we get away from that.
But, um, and in regards to the death itself, as painless and quick as possible, like, you could, if you could instantly at light speed vaporize them, I would choose that.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But as long as these, they probably have super high powered rifles with laser precision now.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
They're not like aiming and missing.
They're putting eight bullets in the heart, four bullets in the brain or whatever.
I don't know what they're doing.
james klug
Why don't they just do like an AI?
carter banks
I was literally just thinking that.
I'm like, this is a job for a robot.
james klug
That's literally a job for a robot right there.
I mean, maybe that's, look, you can debate anything nowadays, but.
tate brown
And that's the thing, too, is like people, the people's perception of the death penalty is very 20th century.
Like the way it works now, again, we're able to mitigate a lot of these things.
Like that's a common fear I hear when people are talking about the death penalty is, well, what if we execute innocent people?
The last.
To the best of my knowledge, the last exonerated death row inmate was the 1950s.
It was like 1956 in Texas.
I can't remember his name.
And so it's like very, I mean, the amount of evidence that you have to present to get the death penalty is overwhelming, where it's like more than obvious this person, like you basically have to be on footage killing someone.
james klug
And we definitely do a better job at preventing that nowadays compared to, let's say, like in the early 1900s or something.
tate brown
Oh, it happened.
unidentified
Wait, wait.
tate brown
All the time.
Yeah, because again, it was mostly just like off of like word of mouth.
Like we didn't, but nowadays, like the bar that it takes for a death penalty to be like issued by a judge.
It's very high.
I'm not really worried about innocent people being killed in this instance.
james klug
This is something that I battle with too are we becoming a more moral and just, moral and religious people or less?
And who is our system really designed for?
I mean, when it comes to what I see the left turning into nowadays, dude, I wouldn't trust them with literally anything.
I mean, look at their use of lawfare now as well, going after conservative groups, religious groups, protesters, going after Donald Trump, going after.
I mean, it's stuff that's just like, So absurd, and it's only being done right now because they just don't care at all.
They'll use the law for anything.
So, if it's like, oh, well, it has to be proven, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt, way, way beyond a reasonable doubt, and it's you, Tate, they'll just make up a bunch of stuff.
tate brown
Well, I mean, that's the problem with governing in general is like, if you're the Trump administration, you have to govern like you're going to be in power forever because this is the same.
And I'm not, you know, saying anything here.
I'm just saying this is the same argument people use with like the DHS funding and the big beautiful bills are like, well, what happens when a Democrat comes in charge and now they have the GDP of an EU country for DHS?
They're going to be able to weaponize that against right wingers.
That is true, but again, we just have to govern in a way that we wield power confidently.
And that's kind of my thing when we start second guessing, well, what happens if they come back into power?
It's like govern so well that we don't have to worry about that.
tim pool
So check this out from Inside Wire.
Tennessee passes a bill allowing use of deadly force to protect property.
Agreed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, sorry.
Texas allows this.
I don't think, well, actually, West Virginia allows it to a certain extent.
The important thing to understand is.
Consult with a lawyer before advancing any further.
Do not take this as advice because you should not be hurting people and we don't want to fight and whatever.
My understanding though is that in Texas, if a guy steals your TV, you can kill him.
tate brown
Yeah, because again, it's like, oh, you're valuing human life over a thing.
It's like the criminal was the one that decided that.
Again, me, I'm a well to do citizen.
I don't, like, I'm, you know, I have zero criminal record, et cetera, et cetera.
If I were breaking into someone's house and stealing their things, yeah, I would expect to die because it's like, That's how egregious.
That's how much I value the social compact.
So, someone that doesn't value the social compact like that, they're the ones that are sacrificing their life.
james klug
Wait, what are you supposed to even do?
You're supposed to sit there and wait to see if they kill you?
Why are you in my house?
I shouldn't need to wait to see what you're going to do.
What on earth is that?
ian crossland
So, this is more like.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
tim pool
West Virginia gets a little bit better than that.
See, here's the thing in New Jersey, if someone breaks in your house, you are legally obligated to flee your home.
Even if your family's in the other room, doesn't matter.
james klug
It's psychotic.
tim pool
And so, the story I've told a million times when the police came to my house after I got tried breaking in, they explained to me.
If he broke in, you have to jump out the window.
You have to run away.
And I was like, it's cold out.
It's winter.
I'm like barefoot in my underwear.
And they're like, yes.
And I said, where would I go?
And the cop told me, I want you to imagine going before a judge after having killed a man.
And the judge asks you why you did it.
And your response is, I didn't want to be cold.
Do you think they're going to say that's reasonable or do you think they're going to put you in prison?
And he was like, the prosecutor is going to argue that you chose to kill a man instead of standing outside for 20 minutes.
You could have gone outside, called the cops, waited for them to arrive, then gone back in your house.
And I'm like, that's insane.
Like, I could jump out the window.
What if my family's here?
Does not matter.
Maryland.
In Maryland, you're allowed to defend yourself only after fleeing into your home and they try to break in.
West Virginia, if they present a threat on any part of your property, you can kill them.
Now, the important thing to understand is in West Virginia, you can't just shoot a random person walking around in your property because property is big, expansive.
And if someone's walking through your lands, you got to say, hey, you got to get out of here.
If they're threatening you, you don't got to wait to find out.
The reason why this is this way in West Virginia is that people own large acreages.
So if you got 50 acres and your house is in the middle and you're standing to the front of your property and a guy is on your property walking towards you, threatening you, the idea that you're going to run full speed to your house while a guy's got a gun and threatening you is ridiculous.
Property Defense In Low Trust Societies 00:15:11
ian crossland
I had a question about the Texas law and now potentially the Tennessee law.
So assume you're not at home, you're out at Starbucks, you're walking around, and some guy tries to take your backpack.
Can you just blast him?
carter banks
I don't think so.
tim pool
So let me clarify under Texas Penal Code 942, you're allowed to use.
Force, some may be deadly, but to recover your property, if you believe deadly force is necessary to prevent the person's commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief, right?
You are literally allowed to use force, not deadly, but you are allowed to use force that may be deadly if they're going to commit mischief.
unidentified
That's great.
carter banks
It's a broad term.
If it's a nighttime channel, throw them down.
james klug
Nobody's doing any more press.
unidentified
Check us out.
tim pool
To prevent, listen, listen.
Prevent the person who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with your property.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
You can use deadly force if they're attempting to flee your property with your stuff.
ian crossland
Or what about just fleeing with your stuff on a street corner?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
james klug
That was a really good question.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
It says you have to believe the property cannot be recovered by any other means, like calling the police, or using non deadly force would expose you or someone else to substantial risk, death, or bodily injury.
unidentified
Right.
carter banks
So if they steal like a gun, And they're running away.
unidentified
Right.
carter banks
You know, it's loaded.
They could kill somebody with that.
tim pool
Or, but I think.
ian crossland
This sounds like if they are walking by you on a street corner, they grab your cell phone and run, and you have the right to shoot and kill them and recover your phone.
james klug
I don't think that would.
You probably wouldn't get away with that.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
If the guy has a gun and points it at you and says, give me your phone, and you do, then he turns to run.
ian crossland
That's robbery.
Is it not robbery?
tim pool
And that's aggravated robbery.
But the point is that's just robbery.
That's aggravated robbery.
ian crossland
That thing you read said robbery.
Just basic robbery.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I'm explaining having a weapon is aggravated.
If a person robs you at gunpoint and then tries to flee, they're saying you can kill him because that person armed threatened to kill you and may kill someone else.
ian crossland
This says robbery.
If they burgle you, if they rob you and then run and there's no way to recover the object unless you.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tate brown
The definition of robbery is force.
There's force utilized in robbery.
tim pool
And aggravated is with a deadly weapon.
tate brown
Aggravated is with a deadly weapon.
Robbery, bar none, is just force or, you know, like coercion.
ian crossland
So if I'm holding my phone, a guy runs up and grabs it and keeps running.
That's theft?
tate brown
That's theft.
ian crossland
Because even if he has to wrench it out of my hand.
But I mean, if he has to forcefully take it out of my hand.
unidentified
Yeah, if they're just trying to.
tim pool
Actually, if the pickpocketer has a gun, this law, you can.
tate brown
But that would be different.
But in the instance where you just brush by and you.
james klug
How about a carjacker?
Carjackers, maybe a little bit.
tim pool
That's the actual thing.
Carjacking is aggravated.
tate brown
It's aggravated.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Oh, it's a deadly weapon.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Well, no, no, it's not that it's that.
It's like if a guy walked up to your car, knocked on the window, and said, Would you please exit the vehicle?
I'm stealing it from you.
You'd be like, No.
He has to pull.
Carjacking requires usually having a weapon or a gun pointed at you.
james klug
Oh, people pull people out of cars.
Like on car chases and stuff, they'll get out and they'll like yank somebody out of a car.
tim pool
Why are people driving around with their doors unlocked?
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
Lock your doors.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, I drive a Tesla.
The doors, the handle just goes into the car.
ian crossland
Lock your house doors even when you're driving.
unidentified
Nobody knows where it goes.
tate brown
My car's base trim.
I don't have electric car doors.
I have to lock them manually.
unidentified
I'm still.
tate brown
Sometimes I'll be driving and I'm like, oh.
ian crossland
I'm still confused because it sounds like robbery, even if they don't have a weapon and you can't get the thing back unless you do something about it.
tim pool
During nighttime.
carter banks
Nighttime is the big, big thing because you can assume they're up to no good.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
They're going to come kill you or something like that.
If they break into your house, you have no idea.
If you're a woman, you can kill them immediately.
james klug
I love that this isn't even happening.
tate brown
Like some guy comes up to you and he's like, hey, we play Smasher Pastor.
unidentified
God!
ian crossland
Because it says theft at nighttime.
unidentified
Mischievous.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
tate brown
He was wearing a clown outfit.
unidentified
I didn't know.
ian crossland
If they walk up to you and take your phone at night, Then there's theft at nighttime.
That's the worst.
carter banks
Well, if they enter your house, then all thefts.
ian crossland
Well, I'm more about the street corner.
Like, forget, obviously, at the house, your home is your.
tate brown
They're making gesture maximizing penalties.
tim pool
We got some news.
So, this Tennessee bill takes effect if signed.
So, it's been approved, it's got to be signed.
It will take effect July 1st.
You cannot use deadly force solely to protect property.
You can use non deadly force to stop trespassing or property interference.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
That means if someone's trying to, like, jump onto your property, you can whack them with a baseball bat.
ian crossland
And if someone blocks your car?
Is that property interference?
unidentified
I don't know.
Maybe.
Let's see.
tim pool
Lethal force requires a reasonable belief of imminent death or serious bodily injury or certain felonies involving a threat to people.
So that's Castle Doctrine and things like that.
The bill is narrow.
It applies to when you're at your lawful residence, you are not engaging in any crimes, and you reasonably believe deadly force is necessary to prevent arson, burglary, robbery or aggravated robbery, aggravated cruelty to animals.
And there is an imminent danger to you or a third person of death.
Bodily injury or sexual abuse.
Now, I like that last one because if some diddler shows up, they're saying you can use lethal force to stop a diddler.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Only on your property.
This is all about your property.
tim pool
No, The diddler, this specific law is about your property.
Pretty dang sure in Texas and Tennessee, if you are out in public and you watch somebody trying to diddle a kid, no one's going to stop.
Like the law protects you from stopping that person.
james klug
It seems like we have a lot of questions about this, but one thing's for sure it's bad news for the diddlers.
ian crossland
So, no, diddler's on the run.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Diddler got to get out of Tennessee.
Go away, diddler.
Biddle yourself somewhere.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Yeah, we need more.
Well, I will tell you this.
Laws are the signals of a dying society.
That's just.
ian crossland
Wait, that's a circuitous way to say what I think you're trying to say, but wait, what?
Because no, laws are indicative of a healthy society.
Functioning good laws are.
tim pool
You are incorrect.
ian crossland
It's like morality extrapolated.
tate brown
If you have the codified morality that indicates that something's broken, yes, there's a compact.
unidentified
Well, you have to put it in.
tim pool
You do not need to write a law for moral people.
That's why at ski resorts, people put thousands of dollars of ski equipment on the ground and just walk away from it.
ian crossland
I doubt it's 100% of the time that it doesn't get.
Taken.
james klug
I think it actually is.
tim pool
It actually, yeah, it certainly is.
james klug
It came out and was just like, nope, no theft there.
tim pool
Dude, I went skiing a few months ago.
james klug
It's unbelievable.
tim pool
Jackson Hole.
ian crossland
I disagree.
My hometown.
tim pool
Thousands of dollars of ski equipment.
We put it up against a fence in a random spot and then we went and got food.
Two hours later, came back, just sitting there.
ian crossland
My house is like that, but we still locked our doors every night and we still play by the rules.
tim pool
You don't lock your doors at night because you're not in a high trust society.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
You lock your doors at night.
ian crossland
I remember it was at the day.
My dad would go to the garage.
He'd lock them.
tim pool
It's because you have crime.
unidentified
I know.
That's the point.
ian crossland
In high trust societies, you have.
tim pool
No, ski resorts don't have this.
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
I do.
I do.
ian crossland
I'm the most ski resort of all time.
I mean, I'm sure there's been crime at ski resorts.
Sorry.
tim pool
Yes, extremely rare and so rare that no one cares.
ian crossland
To the point where most people don't lock their back door when they go to the house.
tim pool
Except your house where you lived had high crime.
ian crossland
No, it had very low crime.
tim pool
I'm talking about relative to ski resorts, crime existed to the point where you locked your doors.
ian crossland
Most people didn't, but my dad did.
Because even in a high trust society, you still have to.
In case the outlying incidents is what I'm talking about.
tim pool
That's why we have law.
You misunderstand macro level statistics.
We talked about this over and over and over again.
Do you not understand that crime is like 0.1 at a ski resort, so no one cares?
And in your neighborhood, crime is one point, so people care a little bit.
Do you get that?
ian crossland
Sure, yeah, but it was a high trust society.
tim pool
You do not need to lock up your skis at a ski resort because the likelihood of it being stolen is one in 10 million.
Sure, it could happen, never does.
Where you lived, you might get robbed one in a million, so might as well just lock the door.
Do you understand that?
ian crossland
Well, I think you're putting a lot of value on a ski resort.
tim pool
I made a point specifically about you do not need laws at the ski resort because crime doesn't happen.
ian crossland
Can you look up?
Does crime have.
Give me the last instance of crime at a ski resort, ChatGPT?
james klug
Yeah, ChatGPT says it never happens.
tim pool
It's not just that, but Ian, do you not know what macro level statistics mean?
unidentified
I know a mask.
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like, someone's skis got stolen one time, therefore you need laws now.
unidentified
You need laws.
ian crossland
You're saying you don't need laws?
What is this, an argument against law?
What are you doing?
tate brown
Well, this is like Francis Food.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
It's called moral philosophy.
Do you understand these concepts?
ian crossland
How do you codify it?
How do you get people to do it?
tate brown
You don't.
It's high trust societies.
Like Francis Fukuyama said, high trust societies facilitate spontaneous social ability.
So you're not dependent on complex, structured, and behaved well.
tim pool
Let me ask you a question.
Do you think Seamus Coughlin would ever steal from you?
ian crossland
Not in today's standards.
I mean, if things got horrible, you'd never.
tim pool
Did Seamus Coughlin, the person you know, the devout Catholic who runs Freedom Tunes, personally steal from you?
ian crossland
I just answered.
tim pool
Yes, you think he would.
ian crossland
I said, in this situation that we all live in right now, there's no way he would do that.
But in a situation of desperation, I don't know what he would do.
tim pool
Okay, so let's just try again.
Let's just try again, removing your weird caveats.
I am talking about literally right now.
You don't need to add caveats.
ian crossland
I don't trust anybody, Tim.
tim pool
You think Seamus would steal from me?
ian crossland
I think everybody's potentially able to steal from me.
tim pool
That's why we need laws.
That's why we need laws because of people like you, low trust.
Look, you don't trust anybody, so we need laws because of people.
ian crossland
I'm not a high trust guy, and I still don't trust anybody fully.
tim pool
You just said you don't trust people.
That's the point of low trust society.
That's why you have laws.
ian crossland
So many times by humans.
unidentified
Indeed.
ian crossland
What is an example of a high charter?
tim pool
A ski resort!
ian crossland
That's not a society.
That's a business.
tate brown
Like the Nordic countries.
tim pool
No, a ski resort is a series of businesses on public land with charters, and they're different.
tate brown
Nordic countries have the most ease of doing business.
They have very, very.
tim pool
Well, I got to stop.
ian crossland
Because there's very reasonable crime at ski resorts.
Parents charge after parents.
And so, a lot killed, 115 New York bar fired.
tim pool
So, to clear by the point, because Ian doesn't understand what macro level politics means, the likelihood of Seamus Coughlin robbing anybody.
Anywhere at any point is zero.
It's never going to happen.
Literally zero.
Now, take two Seamus Coglins.
ian crossland
That's taking you at your word, though.
You can't have a suspect.
tim pool
No, it's not.
It's a fact.
tate brown
Didn't he steal spoons?
tim pool
Indeed.
ian crossland
Oh, it was all.
tim pool
Now, joking aside, the point is Ian, because he refuses to accept standard arguments on statistics, and you make stupid caveats because you refuse to answer a basic question.
ian crossland
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
Simple question is this, and I'm going to finish this.
I'm going to finish this.
Seamus Coglins is never going to rob anybody.
Seamus Coglins is never going to steal from anybody.
Zero chance it ever happens.
If you take two Seamus Coglins and put them in a house, the chance that Either of them will harm each other is zero.
ian crossland
You're glazing so hard right now.
tim pool
No, I'm using an example.
I'm using an example of a devout Catholic with a moral structure that prohibits him doing harm to others.
ian crossland
He's just a human, dude.
He's got flaws like all of us.
tim pool
Okay, so again, because Ian is making fake arguments for the purpose of refusing to answer the question.
ian crossland
The claim that a human has a 0% chance of ever committing a crime is crazy.
james klug
I think the general idea is that crime is so unbelievably low at some of these ski resorts, right?
That everyone is trusting.
Everyone is trusting when it comes, like just about every 99.9%.
That's basically.
tim pool
My point is this I have chosen a specific example of someone we know with a 0% guaranteed likelihood of robbing you.
ian crossland
Very, very low chance.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Zero.
It's literally zero.
ian crossland
Next to zero.
tim pool
No, it's not even next to zero.
ian crossland
No one is a zero chance.
tim pool
Yeah, Seamus is a zero chance.
ian crossland
That's not how the world works, dude.
There's always.
tim pool
You are making up fake reasons where you're arguing there's a possibility of Seamus robbing you.
unidentified
It's zero.
ian crossland
We're planning contingencies, and that's why we have laws.
You can't just say, fine, it's okay to steal because no one ever will.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No one steals because everyone believes it's morally wrong.
You don't need to write it down.
ian crossland
There's never been a situation where no one steals.
tim pool
Yes, there has.
ian crossland
I mean, not a world or a city or a country or something.
tim pool
Ian, this really just comes down to the fact that you don't know what macro level stats mean.
ian crossland
I know, you took.
I know that it's a micro level stats and macro level stats, and I know how to get from one to the other and extrapolation.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
You literally don't.
ian crossland
Oh, I do.
tim pool
You don't.
And you keep doing the same thing over and over again.
ian crossland
It doesn't make it more true.
I know what macro level stats are.
unidentified
What is it?
ian crossland
It's when you look at what kind of stats do you want to look at?
You want to take a city and say, hey, this year, 98% of thing was done by person type.
tim pool
So why do you keep bringing up anecdotes?
Because you can't comprehend outliers to macro level stats.
ian crossland
They don't say that this is how it always will be.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Ian's the kind of guy who doesn't have a fire extinguisher in his house because he's like, well, you don't need it because sometimes there's no fire.
ian crossland
No, I do have a fire extinguisher.
My father was a fireman.
I understand.
tim pool
You don't understand.
ian crossland
He's the planning for the future.
That's why we have laws.
tim pool
Right, fair point.
Ian's the kind of guy who puts 10 fire extinguishers around his bed because sometimes there are fires.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
You just completely did the opposite of what you said.
tim pool
After your response, indeed.
I do have a fire extinguisher.
You're the guy who puts 10 fire extinguishers.
No, 10 of them.
unidentified
10 of them.
tim pool
I have one because you're like, it might happen.
ian crossland
I have them accessible in case of emergency.
tim pool
I will go back to saying this.
There are facts.
And there are macro level statistics.
And you make fake arguments at the anecdotal level because you refuse to answer the obvious judgment.
ian crossland
We just made an anecdote about a ski resort and said we don't need law.
tim pool
That's not an anecdote.
That's called the macro level statistic.
ian crossland
That's not that macro.
I can make it macro if you want.
tim pool
It absolutely is.
It's a macro level statistic.
Crime is so low at ski resorts, they don't need to lock up their equipment.
ian crossland
Inside the insulated protective zone of a mage?
tim pool
Let's just slow down.
Why don't people at ski resorts lock up their equipment?
Guys, anybody?
james klug
Crime is virtually non existent.
unidentified
Correct.
james klug
Nobody even thinks about it.
tim pool
And they don't need to actually create a system in which they tell people not to do it because no one does.
ian crossland
Because they're all rich.
You go to Burning Man, people don't rob each other of Burning Man because everyone has stuff.
I tell you, if it runs out, people are going to start taking.
james klug
I would not trust people with Burning Man, actually.
tim pool
In a high trust society, you don't need to write things down.
When you have 100 people that all have the same moral worldview, you don't need to write it down.
You know why?
Because if someone does something wrong and 99 of the 100 think it's wrong, they string them up.
Nobody needs to write it down.
ian crossland
You have to write it down or they forget things.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
The issue of laws being written down is functionally, academically, and known to be a structure of low trust society.
Period.
ian crossland
Well, that's the earth.
tate brown
Well, like a good example is like in Iceland, when people go into the grocery store, the mothers leave their babies in their trolleys like outside, they just leave them there.
If they had to pass a law that said no stealing babies from in front of the grocery store, women would stop leaving their babies outside because they say, Well, there's a reason we had to pass this law that must mean that some people had to start getting their babies kidnapping is legal in Iceland.
No, but it's just it would never occur to them to develop a law that granular in this instance because, again, there's no instance of that occurring.
They just have very base laws like no murder because if someone murders, we need to use that.
But the United States has very granular laws like this.
Because now there's instances of this occurring, therefore the legal system is to react.
carter banks
Is it not like a sign of good protections for gun owners to secure their property, though?
Because I kind of like to think of this as a win.
tim pool
You did not need this law 200 years ago.
Everybody understood if you took someone else's stuff, you'd die.
In fact, 200 years ago, if a thief came to your house and stole something and you shot him in the back with a musket, none of the villagers or townspeople would blame you for it.
james klug
Way less than 200 years ago.
tim pool
Way less.
It wasn't written down.
In fact, In the 80s, if a dude came into your neighborhood in New York and was pushing people around, he would get stomped out and not a single cop would intervene.
You didn't need to write anything down.
Unwritten Laws Of The Past 00:10:14
tim pool
They said, Don't mess with our community.
We all know who we are, but hold on.
What if someone in that community went and punched a chick in the face?
They'd stomp him out.
And what the cop would do, he'd be like, Rodney, what you hit a girl for?
And then he'd be like, You should arrest them.
They assaulted me.
He's like, Shut up.
I'm telling your dad what just happened.
It used to be back in the day.
Back in the 50s, you get pulled over for speeding in a small town.
The cop would walk up to you and go, Ricky, what you speeding for?
I got to see your dad at the pub later tonight.
I'm going to tell you we're speeding.
Oh, come on, officer.
Officer John, don't tell my dad.
He's like, I'm not going to give you a ticket right now, but I'll catch you speeding again.
I'm giving you right up.
That's how it used to be.
Small high trust society.
They didn't need these things.
ian crossland
In your house with your family, you can leave your wallet on the coffee table because it's high trust because it's a small, tight community.
As it gets bigger, the nature of society is getting larger, you need law because you don't have the tight knitness.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, you're.
tim pool
Which is literally what started the whole conversation that laws are a sign of a collapsing society.
ian crossland
I think it's a sign of a growing society.
I mean, it's not really, you know, it's maybe too much law.
tim pool
Why is there female genital mutilation in Dearborn, Michigan?
It's illegal.
We wrote it down.
ian crossland
Dude, humans.
tim pool
Oh, no, Because when you integrate different populations, it disrupts the culture.
tate brown
Therefore, there's going to be different culture or different crime patterns in different areas because of the new populations that have come into the country.
tim pool
And those police are of that group.
So, even though it's written down in that culture, they say, we don't enforce against that.
We don't want to.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Same thing is true for putting a pie on your windowsill on a Tuesday in Boston or whatever, or skydiving on a Sunday in Florida, which is apocryphal, but blue laws nobody adheres to.
It is illegal in West Virginia to cohabitate with a woman.
No one's going to arrest you for it.
The point is, when we start writing these things down, it's because there is an impact between different cultures that disagree on what should be.
So we put up a notice saying, We've decided, therefore, because we exert authority through police and law enforcement, you all can't do the thing we don't want you to do anymore, which doesn't exist.
That law is meaningless as soon as a new group of people come in and have a different moral worldview with each other.
Laws being written down indicate that you need to inform.
People doing that thing to stop doing it.
You don't have to do that in a high trust society.
So, back to the main point you set up a town of 1,000 Seamus Coughlins.
You don't need police.
Police would only exist for external issues.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
He's not a paragon, he's just a guy.
I mean, obviously, if you have 1,000 people packed in an area, if something goes wrong with the food supply, there's going to be conflict.
tim pool
Again, I stand by this and using Seamus as an example because Seamus does not fear man, he fears God.
And someone like him, Would think if I take that food, I'll be condemned for my eternal soul.
I'm not going to take that food.
I will ask and I will work.
So, yes, even in those circumstances, I do believe people can do crazy things, but.
What did we see with.
Well, I don't want to get too extreme with some of these examples of cannibalism and things like this, but no, I'll do it.
I'll use the Donner Party.
The women survived.
You know why?
Because the men chose to die instead of resorting to cannibalism.
Many men and women did.
Those that did chose to eat, but the men all died first.
They sacrificed their well being for the women.
Then there were people who refused to cannibalize and died, and then there were some people who did, but it was largely the females who survived for a variety of reasons.
Ultimately, the point is.
There are societies and individuals that would choose death over dishonor.
So, anyway, laws.
The written constitution, actually, is I don't think the constitution is a real thing.
And I think conservatives and liberals are wrong.
Liberals use the constitution for power as a manipulation tactic against conservatives.
And conservatives genuinely don't understand the constitution.
The best example being that when the constitution was ratified in 1789, states could ban firearms, the federal government could not.
That meant if you lived in Virginia, Virginia could take your guns away.
Although I do believe Virginia and other states also had their own laws protecting the right to keep and bear arms.
Blasphemy was a crime everywhere.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
If in 1792 you walked in a town hall and screamed, Jesus is not Lord, they would arrest you and you'd go to jail for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, like the whole argument with that is that, again, if the Constitution begins to be perceived as restrictive, that indicates that we're not in the same country anymore.
So the Constitution, no one was ever running up against the Constitution.
It's very rare that people would run up against the Constitution.
The Constitution was an issue.
For people.
And if times had truly changed, then they would make adjustments, like slavery, for example.
But generally speaking, the Constitution wasn't felt, it didn't feel restrictive.
Where in the common era, the era that we live in now, the Constitution is constantly being debated over.
People are looking for workarounds.
People are frustrated by it, specifically in blue states.
That indicates that this is a different culture.
This is a different nation than the nation that initially sort of framed the Constitution.
ian crossland
Isn't the Constitution supposed to be like a promise of what the federal government won't do to you?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Isn't it like, hey, we're not going to mess with you about these things?
tate brown
The Constitution.
Yeah, the Constitution.
By and large, stems from the Mayflower Compact, the Magna Carta, which were more framing our values as it existed in that time.
tim pool
Also incorrect.
The Constitution outlines the structure of the U.S. government.
The first articles literally just say Congress will do this job, the legislator will do this job, the judiciary does this job, and then you have the Bill of Rights after the fact, which is where they said, let's make sure the government can't do certain things.
The Constitution itself and its core literally just say, here's the nature of our government.
tate brown
That's what I mean.
It's a snapshot of how things were at that time.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
They created these things.
tate brown
Well, I know, but I'm saying it's a snapshot of their values, how government ought to behave.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
The constitutive power, the legislative, constitutive power.
tate brown
If that changes, then that means something else.
tim pool
But again, no, no, no.
Article one is like the legislative body is being created to do this particular task.
It's not a structure of their values.
ian crossland
They gave numbers.
tim pool
I mean, I would agree with maybe 20%.
They're basically saying, we're going to make a government.
The Articles of Confederation don't work.
We need a federal government with some strength.
Let's build it.
They drew a map and they said, we should do it like this.
That's the first three articles of the Constitution.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's not about.
james klug
It's our government's framework, isn't it?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So technically, it does refer to it.
tate brown
It was ratified by all the states.
Everyone agreed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I agree to its extent that it references certain values, but it really just is a logical structure of function.
Then the Bill of Rights comes in and says here's what the government can't do.
Like after the fact.
tate brown
I guess what I'm saying is that that structure makes sense because of the specific people that framed it as.
And we've given that constitution to Liberia, for example, and they've had a drastically different outcome.
So, again, the constitution, all of our founding documents were a snapshot of a people at a time, indicating how they sort of agreed.
I mean, I do agree there was like stuff that had to be debated or structured, but generally speaking, this reflected the population that existed at the time.
This was a snapshot.
And the more you push against that, the more difficult it becomes to execute the execution.
tim pool
It's completely different.
By today's standards, it is 100% different.
unidentified
Right.
You know what?
ian crossland
I align a lot with it.
tate brown
That's why the judicial acts like Congress, because they are now lawmaking over the last 50 years.
The Supreme Court now acts like a legislative body.
tim pool
It effectively is.
And it's because the founding fathers existed in a high trust society.
Everybody was Christian, literally everybody.
There was like a tiny, I think, what is it, like a few thousand Jews maybe, but it was almost entirely Christian.
Now, the Protestants and the Catholics didn't get along.
Still don't get along.
They get along a little bit better now than they used to.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
Even then, it was 98% Protestant.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so the issue is two Protestants walk up to each other and they go, I don't want to be condemned for eternity, so I'm not going to wrong you.
And then they have to worry about it that much.
Today, you've got so many competing interests.
Everybody is trying to twist the words of the Constitution as a weapon against the other.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
That's where I start.
I align with what the top of the segment where you were saying about laws indicate the decline of a society.
Too many laws.
Or laws that you can't enforce do indicate a decline.
Too many laws.
Like we need, we've talked before, sunset clauses on laws.
We need laws to go away.
tim pool
Right, right.
But the point ultimately is, on all of them, but you don't need a law written down.
I'll put it this way using Seamus as my favorite example.
Seamus and I do not need to ever sign a contract that we won't punch each other in the face.
Don't need it.
It's just not going to happen.
There are some people that I grew up around that you would need one, yes.
And they'd still punch you in the face anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Like, think about like a marriage.
I mean, obviously, something dynamics have changed, but generally speaking, the idea of the prenup was because there was a slight bit of distrust.
There was a slight bit of something could go wrong here.
Therefore, I need an extra mechanism that I can execute on if this goes south, where most couples would just enter a marriage and they wouldn't feel the need to put a prenup in there.
That means that there's something else at play that could potentially derail this marriage.
Therefore, we need to add that extra layer to it.
james klug
You'd imagine that obviously things have changed, but you know, with a lot of these laws, you'd imagine that mass importing tens of millions of third worlders will.
Just result in more and more and more laws because we didn't know that we had to make laws about stuff that we never had a problem with 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
Exactly.
Well, you know, cats in your front yard.
tate brown
And it doesn't even have to be like belligerent others.
It's just, again, it's just a basic truth that in multicultural societies, the legal code has to be more restrictive.
Look at Singapore.
Singapore is a great example.
You had three populations in Singapore the Chinese, the Malays, and the Indians.
These are all countries, these are societies that aren't necessarily like killing each other all the time.
But when you have competing interests, right, there's no such thing as like a single Singaporean and ethnic identity.
They have to create extra laws.
It's a very draconian system.
It's very authoritarian because that's the only way you can actually govern a multi ethnic nation.
Multicultural Legal Restrictions Explained 00:03:09
tate brown
That's just the only way.
tim pool
I mean, I don't think you can.
And Michigan proves it.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
tate brown
I mean, Singapore gets away with it because they don't have completely disparate cultures.
But yeah, if you start bringing in other religions, people that come from countries with a very specific ideology, that's when you have problems on an extra level.
The United States, the only way, like, basically the question is do you want more diversity, which will mean more authoritarianism, or less diversity, which means more of a high culture?
tim pool
I got an easy story for you.
I got an easy story.
So I lived in a.
When I was like 22, maybe, I lived in this nine bedroom flat on the north side of Chicago.
Like 13 dudes lived there.
All college students, all spending as little money as possible to try and live in this fucking.
Whoop, I shouldn't swear.
So I actually lived in the pantry.
The pantry had a door to the kitchen and a door to the living room, and it had shelves, but it was actually like probably 12 by 12.
So it was a room, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And so anyway, that's a room.
One day, one of the dudes, the dude who like set the whole thing up, noticed his food was missing.
And he got pissed and he went to everybody.
He was like, guys, please stop eating my food.
I just bought this food.
I come home from work.
My food's not here.
So I got to go buy more.
And there were three dudes an Italian guy, a French guy, and a Spanish guy.
And then one day, everything came to a head when everyone was like a Saturday morning or something.
And like seven of the dudes who lived there were waking up and then going to the kitchen.
And I'm in the kitchen and the French guy, sure enough, is eating the food of the main dude who like set the apartment up.
And he just snapped and he was like, You mother, I told you.
And the French guy started yelling at him, threatening him.
And then what the French guy said was, In Europe, everybody just eats whatever they want.
No one cares.
So he didn't know that anybody would be mad.
Don't yell at me.
This is normal.
You're the weird one.
This is what happens.
You take two different cultures.
The American culture is, We all live here, but this is mine for me.
Take your own.
The European guy was like, In Europe, we live together and everyone just shares and no one cares.
And if your food's gone, you eat someone else's.
So this led to two guys screaming in each other's faces, threatening to beat the crap out of each other.
tate brown
Yeah.
And that is two groups that are very close to each other.
tim pool
Indeed.
tate brown
So imagine when you start importing people from very disparate cultures.
ian crossland
If you have 99 Seamuses and a French man, you got conflict, bro.
unidentified
Correct.
ian crossland
Can Seamus indoctrinate that French guy, all 99 of them?
Can he do it fast enough?
tim pool
No, but the 99 Seamuses have to go to the French guy and look him in the eyes and say, We have written down what you cannot do when you're here.
Here's the rules.
unidentified
That's law.
tim pool
And that's called immigration.
When people come to this country, we say, You have to abide by our rules.
And they go, No.
And then Biden led them in anyway.
But guess what?
The Seamus is amongst each other.
They're just going to make jokes and they're going to make cartoons and make fun of Joe Biden the whole time.
They're not going to steal each other's food.
It's just not going to happen.
ian crossland
Yeah, if only.
carter banks
Definitely don't let the French guy live in the pantry.
james klug
Yeah, so, moral of the story.
tim pool
Well, there was no food rust, the French.
carter banks
Sooner or later.
tim pool
But the cool thing was, because it had two, like a way in and a way out, I actually, like, during parties, I had multi access to my room from different parts.
So it was kind of like having a portal that no one else could go through but me.
Immigration Rules And Community Norms 00:03:11
tim pool
That was pretty cool.
unidentified
Yeah, it's kind of nice.
tate brown
I was for the Chicago Fire Department.
It's like, which house is that again?
There's people living in a piece of trees.
tim pool
And I would park my motorcycle in the lobby until one day the landlord was like, I will destroy you.
And I was like, all right.
And then as soon as I put it outside, it got stolen.
james klug
A motorcycle is the ultimate test of a high trust society.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
james klug
You know, if you can leave it outside and it's not getting dragged down the street or stolen, you're looking pretty good.
You're in a good neighborhood.
tim pool
Well, you know, you're in a good neighborhood when you see bikes on the lawn.
ian crossland
Ooh, I was raised not to tempt you.
tim pool
Bike is just leaning up against the house.
ian crossland
It's like, people would do that in my hometown growing up in the 80s, but.
I was still always taught, don't do it.
Don't tempt fate.
Don't leave your thing dangling.
Like, lock up, lock it where you leave it, find it where you left it.
carter banks
I was learning from the experience.
Someone stole my skateboard when I went to skate once at a skate park, and I just never left anything out again.
tim pool
That's pretty funny.
At skate parks back in the day, we'd put our phone and wallet on a ledge and just go skate and just leave it there.
ian crossland
Dude, one time I left my bike at school, and I walked home, and I was like, oh, my bike.
And I got back to school, and someone had slashed the tire.
tate brown
I mean, I grew up in probably the most low trust society in the United States, which is Memphis.
And I vividly remember.
We all lived in like a leafy suburb.
So, you know, again, people were a little bit more comfortable leaving things out, et cetera, et cetera.
But I played basketball.
So we would go into like the city quite, quite a bit, you know, quite often.
And I remember one time we were playing this team, all the families, they like asked everyone to come to the middle of the court for like, I don't know, speech or something.
I don't remember what it was.
Everyone, like a lot of people left their phones and their purses and stuff on the bleachers, literally turned their back for 10 seconds.
And then they come back and it was all gone.
And it was like, that just shows that, yeah, like literally the trust of your society can vary by zip code.
I mean, it's insane.
james klug
You can also get like kids misbehaving too.
So you can be in a super high trust society or high trust neighborhood or whatever, like a super good area.
And I'm going to table like people coming in town from out of town.
There can just be kids screwing around and misbehaving.
They'll throw off that balance a little bit, but just in a general sense.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's high trust society.
One of the dads gets drunk and he loses his job and he beats his kid.
That kid goes and steals.
Like it's still high trust relatively, you know, but one dude that just.
tate brown
That was the initial problem.
That was the first, like in the United States, the First instances where we started seeing like crime syndicates pop up was like at the end of the 19th century, cocaine became really widespread.
So you literally had these crack fiends robbing pharmacies.
And that was like the first instance that really shocked the conscience of Americans as far as street level crime at like a high volume.
tim pool
I think we need to bring the mafia back, you know?
They did a good job in a lot of the neighborhoods in like Philadelphia and just think about the values of the mob versus the crime and the gangs that we have today.
So it's like there was that 19 year old girl in New York who was surrounded by a bunch of young black kids and they stabbed her, killed her.
Remember that story?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The mafia were.
You know, doing illegal gambling.
And it's just like, yeah, I mean, that's bad.
But like, I'd rather have a House of the Rising Sun style speakeasy run by the mob where people are like drinking and gambling than kids running around with knives stabbing people and stealing their stuff.
tate brown
It just shows how bad things have gotten.
Because if we went to the 1920s and they're like, man, we really need the mafia back, they'd be like, well, how bad are you guys living in a super villain world?
james klug
We're like romanticizing the mafia.
Violence Against Refugees And Homeless 00:11:50
ian crossland
AI robots, we're going to fantasize about when we just had to deal with human corruption.
tate brown
And I miss the crypt.
unidentified
They were great.
james klug
Remember when they were actually humans committing crimes?
tate brown
I remember the good old.
The fun gang signs.
tim pool
It's actually a funny thing getting robbed by an Optimist bot, he likes to break in your house.
ian crossland
I miss the old one.
tim pool
And when you report it, it's not a crime.
It was a technical user error.
So there's no penalty for the company.
tate brown
Hey, man, run your pockets.
Give me that.
tim pool
An Optimist bot walks up to you with a knife and just goes, ooh.
ian crossland
Still.
james klug
What are those food delivery robots?
Like the light bulb or the eyes that are just LEDs?
Like the first time one of those robs somebody.
tim pool
No, it's going to run a kid over.
tate brown
Yo, nice one.
unidentified
What?
james klug
Put it in the lunchbox.
tim pool
What happens when one of these little things.
tate brown
It's my size.
tim pool
First of all, robots don't talk like that anymore.
unidentified
They should.
ian crossland
I would support them if I'd be able to program it.
unidentified
Yeah, they should.
tim pool
What if one of those little robots hits a kid and the kid falls down and just keeps going.
ian crossland
I hope it's on video.
tim pool
And the kid's going.
james klug
Was it Chicago?
Where was it where that one robot just ran into that glass, shattered the whole thing?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
james klug
And they just ran from the scene of the whole thing.
tate brown
I'm going to pull that up actually.
james klug
Right now, that's going in the category of the first crime committed by.
AI.
tate brown
Because we're seeing right now, there's literally a turf war between the homeless and the food delivery robots right now.
Like, they're going at it.
james klug
And I don't even see homeless people just destroying food and supporting that.
I don't even know.
tate brown
Well, if they can get them sober and then we see all the evaluations.
tim pool
Bro, this is the video.
This is the video.
Let's hold on.
Let me get the sound.
Watch this.
unidentified
Watch this.
Let's start over.
james klug
What do you think the food delivery app said at that point?
unidentified
Just like, hold on, wait, wait.
Look at this.
Oh, man.
tim pool
It's blocking that.
unidentified
Oh.
carter banks
That could really do some damage.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
Oh, my gosh.
tim pool
Dude, like, this should not be allowed, man.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
I think it can make it.
Come on, Juan.
Oh, my God.
I was too scared.
Oh, my God.
Hey, it made it.
You're so helpless.
tim pool
I'm tired of delivering.
carter banks
I did not even know this existed.
tate brown
It started screaming.
unidentified
Oh my.
tate brown
I love it.
james klug
Scream.
unidentified
That's my favorite one.
james klug
I don't think that's okay with the train.
unidentified
First one's the best one.
Did he survive that?
tate brown
He was literally tired of delivering.
tim pool
Bro, someone's Chipotle is gone and they like check their app and it's like your food has been run over by a train.
james klug
Your food evaporated.
tate brown
Yeah, you can go scrape your burrito off the tracks.
tim pool
They need to make it so that when you order with these things, you can watch a live cam of it going on its journey.
But I'm only half kidding.
One, it would be funny to watch it get hit by a train.
But more importantly, what if someone stops it and meddles with your food or something?
unidentified
Right, right.
james klug
You can talk to them.
You can negotiate with the homeless people.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
Like bargain.
Right.
james klug
If you let me pass, I'll tip you.
tate brown
I can help you.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
What's this?
What's this?
Oh, wait.
tim pool
This is just people attacking a guy.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
The delivery drivers.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Wait, what's happening?
They were attacking people or getting attacked?
james klug
I think we're dealing with some low trust delivery drivers.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
They wanted the food.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
tate brown
Like bears.
unidentified
Deliveroo?
Pulling knives.
tate brown
The UK has imported 10 million people purely mid delivery.
tim pool
The drivers pulled knives.
unidentified
Oh, man.
Oh, my God.
james klug
He's tossing it.
tate brown
They're fighting back.
james klug
He's tossing it in the bushes.
tate brown
Maybe he's cutting the food up.
unidentified
Dude, listen.
tim pool
If people in the UK want to live in Somalia, they can just keep doing exactly what they're doing.
james klug
It's the silliest excuse ever.
It's like bring in tens of millions of people for the cheapest labor ever that's going to go extinct in 10 years due to AI.
So then you're going to end up with these people and they're going to have to be on UBI if you don't get rid of them.
unidentified
That's insane.
tim pool
Well, stop watching the videos, guys.
unidentified
What are you doing?
james klug
I'm really having a good time.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
So was I. All of a sudden, they just stopped paying attention.
They're hypnotized by the stupid video feed.
carter banks
Oh, we're going to do another one.
I don't know.
tate brown
My bad.
We should just do two hours where we just watched him surf Twitter.
tim pool
Remember when that guy shot at the delivery drone for Amazon or whatever?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
That was awesome.
tim pool
What was that?
I heard about it.
There was a Walmart delivery drone flying overhead, and he shot at it.
james klug
The shotgun?
tim pool
No, the handgun, I think.
james klug
That's a good shot.
unidentified
Jeez.
Yeah.
tim pool
I didn't say he shot it.
unidentified
He shot it.
ian crossland
How are we going to defend against the robots?
tim pool
EMP guns?
tate brown
We're already seeing the trains.
james klug
We're going to use trains.
tate brown
Trains, the homeless, country bumpkin.
unidentified
Obstacles.
Here you go.
Wait.
tim pool
Here's a good one for you guys.
You ready for this one?
unidentified
Oh, this one's.
tim pool
You don't got to worry about the future at all, bro.
I'm telling you.
You don't got to worry about Terminators.
ian crossland
The future about to trip over itself.
unidentified
The Fantana?
ian crossland
Here it comes.
unidentified
What?
I can take them.
tate brown
Oh, fuck.
unidentified
That was gruesome.
I know, right?
It's like.
tim pool
A particularly gory robot death.
tate brown
Riding in vain.
james klug
It was the most violent robot death I've ever seen in my life.
ian crossland
I want to see it again.
tim pool
And all it was doing was trying to walk.
unidentified
And it pulverized.
What is it made of?
What is it made of?
It's got to be a.
Is this.
Are they practicing?
I'm going to throw a stretcher.
This is not a cross stage.
james klug
Honestly, you guys, if I'm starting a race that same way, I'm doing the same.
tate brown
Yeah, I'll win.
unidentified
They have a stretcher.
ian crossland
Unless these guys are doing like a bit, like whoever created it, right?
unidentified
It's a top star.
tim pool
Bro, his arm blew off.
tate brown
Was he made of porcelain?
ian crossland
They already have a stretcher ready.
tim pool
Why do they have a stretcher?
ian crossland
It's fake.
I mean, it stays.
unidentified
Medics!
tim pool
Just get a garbage can.
We need a medic.
unidentified
Screens.
carter banks
That probably costs a lot of money.
unidentified
Is that in China?
tate brown
I need a medic.
unidentified
That's funny.
ian crossland
Chinese, dude.
They got comedy skills, man.
james klug
Yeah, they got some.
tim pool
Wait, wait, what's the.
And is there another one?
unidentified
They're funny as.
tim pool
Oh, it's fake as AI.
unidentified
Yay.
tim pool
Nah, but there's.
unidentified
Wait, wait.
tim pool
There's real ones.
ian crossland
Man, we just gotta go.
It's government garbage.
The culture, dude, we are.
unidentified
We're blended.
Go back, look, bro.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
That's me in the club.
tate brown
Melting down.
unidentified
That's actually mean.
tate brown
You know, the paint and water.
tim pool
My favorite one is the one that's chasing the hogs.
tate brown
Yeah, that one's awesome.
tim pool
You have the backpack on and it's like running.
Have you ever seen that one?
james klug
Yeah, it's like the three hogs that went viral the other day.
tate brown
Those hogs are having fun.
tim pool
This is the best video ever, dude.
unidentified
Something you don't see every day a humanoid robot chasing a herd of wild boars.
The now one.
The animal video from Poland.
carter banks
The hogs look awesome.
unidentified
As it chased the boars out of a Warsaw neighborhood, Edward can be very ganged up.
They could take them out.
The corraling animals fled into the forest more than.
Waving goodbye.
tate brown
So the AI generated robot is taking the W. He's taking care of the W. I'm saying if those hogs turned around and like jumped, I mean they could take him.
carter banks
I mean they could.
james klug
Those would kill him so fast.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
He'd be wrecked.
tate brown
I'm long on hogs.
james klug
His arm would fall off right away.
unidentified
Here you go.
Here you go.
Okay.
tim pool
Bro, that thing's coming to kill you, dude.
Look at his little arms.
He'll stab you with those arms.
unidentified
It's kind of like the off the scourge.
carter banks
Yeah, I was thinking that.
ian crossland
It's those thin, small ones that I'm afraid of.
tate brown
The blades.
We can hear a lot of people, but they have lots of a hitbox.
unidentified
The robot is coming near us.
carter banks
Yeah, what would you do?
unidentified
Tackle?
Well, I can't see.
james klug
You can see technology redefines speed and passion.
unidentified
It's okay.
james klug
I mean, passion.
What's going on there?
unidentified
I can take them.
ian crossland
You just need like a laser sword.
tim pool
Dude, I want to fight one of these things so bad.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, man.
carter banks
We just have to provide like metal gloves.
ian crossland
Can we get one that's just built to train you in martial arts?
That'd be so awesome, dude.
carter banks
Or we get swords?
unidentified
That's a headband.
tim pool
We already saw this one.
Is there another one in this?
ian crossland
You know, like, time no, same video.
tim pool
Okay, we don't need to watch that.
ian crossland
Kung Fu, get it to train you.
tim pool
It was like the robot marathon, I guess.
They all apparently died.
james klug
Like, sad, yeah, it's terrible.
tate brown
This is we need Trump to like bomb another country because we're running out of news.
unidentified
Back down to this.
This is what's really important.
tate brown
It's like a pit stop.
unidentified
Yeah.
Battery change.
james klug
A little bit of WD 40 on there.
unidentified
Oh, they're putting ice in it.
Is that because they're overheating?
I bet it is.
Maybe.
ian crossland
They should get these robots to fix their own, put their own battery in, and then take the other one out.
tim pool
I think one of the biggest challenges with this was overheating.
That was like the endurance was based on whether or not it could make it.
This is literally what the marathon was how far they can go without overheating.
I think he's pouring ice in it.
Yeah, look, he's cooling it off.
unidentified
Check that out.
james klug
How did I not have like cooling figured out for that?
unidentified
Like a whole cooling system.
Why?
tim pool
Make him sweat, you know?
unidentified
He didn't problem with butt cheeks.
tim pool
Hey, look, he's got butt cheeks.
ian crossland
Hips for days, dude.
tim pool
Look at those butt cheeks.
unidentified
He's tricked up.
Some earth.
Holy cheeked up.
That's crazy.
Go die.
Offspring with that.
tim pool
Imagine being chased by one of those things with a gun.
carter banks
What would it do once it got to you, though?
Like, kill you?
Hug you?
tim pool
Oh, look at this.
unidentified
Look at that guy.
Oh, no!
Oh, my word.
Look, it ice flew out.
Oh, he's de iced.
tim pool
It's kind of funny how, like, you were trying to build these things, and when they make one mistake, they just die.
Like rockets.
Humans will, like, collide on each other and bounce around and then get up and keep going.
We're way better than robots.
unidentified
I'm not worried.
tim pool
And the best part is, like, when the robot breaks, imagine how much work it's going to take to fix that thing.
For a human, you just give him a cheeseburger.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So he's just in a Betty, it's a smoothie and a cheeseburger, and then his body just fixes itself.
tate brown
was yesterday i was using brock and i was probing it i was asking it a question about ebt and then it just said who's ebt you're like we're good we're good you don't know nothing yeah we're Yeah, we got those locks.
I know what that is.
ian crossland
A foreign country or an enemy corporation wouldn't be.
unidentified
My God.
A bunch of robots.
tate brown
We just release hogs.
unidentified
The hogs will handle it.
tate brown
They'll get distracted and chase the hogs.
tim pool
Imagine this guy right here running at you, being like, halt, human.
unidentified
Deploy the hogs.
james klug
That's what's going to happen, though.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm telling you what's going to happen.
Terminator, skeleton machines.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
tim pool
It's going to be busty anime waifus.
ian crossland
Oh, so they don't have to chase you.
You chase them.
tate brown
Oh, the homos will handle it.
tim pool
Well, what?
Like.
Why would the AI make the scariest looking thing?
You'd run.
It's going to make busty young women.
And it's going to be like walking.
It's going to go, help me.
And you're going to walk over and it's going to go bang and just kill you.
unidentified
Dang.
ian crossland
You don't think she'll at least have sex with you?
tim pool
They got to remake Terminators.
tate brown
That would take out like half of India.
tim pool
Imagine this.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
I have a pitch, guys.
Somebody make this with the AI a remake of Terminator where instead of Arnold, it's like just a hot chick.
And then he just shows up and walks up to Sarah Connor, being like, Hi.
And then, you know, what's the other guy's name who tried to save her in the first movie?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, the dad.
John Connor's dad.
tim pool
Yeah, whatever he is.
He's like, We got to run.
This guy's going to kill you.
But it's actually just some chick being like, He's crazy.
Stay away from him.
And then Sarah Connor's like, Yeah, get this creepy guy away from me.
And then the Terminator just, like a hot chick, pulls out a knife and stabs her.
unidentified
That's horrible.
I see.
tate brown
I'm not worried.
A homeless guy would come behind and just rip him in half.
Like, the homeless will handle this.
I'm not worried.
This is why we've been training him for years, just loading up a thing.
james klug
You guys are underestimating the power of Trank.
tate brown
Yeah, exactly.
Their moment's coming.
Their moment's coming.
tim pool
This would be a better remake of Terminator is like, you know, Sarah Connor's walking down the street, and then, like, you know, Arnold shows up, and then he, like, grabs a shotgun and she screams, and then a bunch of just, like, refugees, migrants, and homeless people grab him and start pulling parts off of him, and he's, like, being ripped apart, and they all run off with it.
Perpetual Motion Energy Debates 00:11:05
tate brown
Yeah, like, literally, can you sell them?
They deploy one to Haiti, and they're just eating the robot.
tim pool
Terminator shows up, and they just strip them for parts and then sell them.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Deploying these guys as actual troops is risky because if the enemy recovers them and reverse engineers it, you're.
I mean, it might be inevitable.
tim pool
They put a bomb in them.
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
You put a bomb in them.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, they would just self destruct.
james klug
Yeah, it's the same thing with aircraft or any tanks or any type of.
tate brown
But we're seeing that these hogs are outmaneuvering them.
We should be utilizing hogs in our foreign deployment.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Just release a bunch of hogs.
unidentified
Drop the hogs.
tate brown
Yeah.
ian crossland
Disperse the hogs.
They did it.
The Chinese did it to us with the marmorated stink bugs in the 90s, I heard.
tate brown
That's true, yeah.
tim pool
And wine berries.
tate brown
Because we have a problem with hog populations.
Just round them all up and deploy them to Iran.
ian crossland
It's so much meat, though.
Then they can eat it all.
That's true.
tate brown
It might strengthen them.
tim pool
You know, like, you know, it's a lot of nitrates.
tate brown
It could be a problem.
tim pool
You know what's pretty wild is that back in the day, life used to be more like an RPG.
You'd have a little hut.
You'd wake up in the morning and you'd be like, your neighbors, there's not many people.
james klug
It was Animal Crossing.
tim pool
You'd grab a sword.
You're like, I'm going to go try and find some meat.
And you're walking down a dirt path, and then a boar shows up, and you have to take a stance and fight it.
ian crossland
Bro, that's what Burning Man probably is.
tim pool
Howard just runs away.
ian crossland
I know I brought a Burning Man twice today, but it did feel like that.
tim pool
Well, yeah, because Ian famously used to.
tate brown
You're in high trust and you're carrying a machine.
ian crossland
Well, I carried a flashlight on a rope to blind people if they got in my way at night.
tim pool
And what would happen is Ian would have random encounters with people and then start mercilessly beating them for the experience points.
ian crossland
There was this one place we went to a vampire bar where they would file their teeth and wore vials of blood.
And I was like, ooh, they were checking for weapons, but they didn't take my light.
I was like, if anyone messes with me in this dark red chamber, I can blind them.
carter banks
And the vampires would all really be affected by that.
ian crossland
Yeah, everybody's in the dark.
So I was like, I see the power of light.
Like, it really can.
tate brown
Just flashbang them.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
That probably works.
ian crossland
And you could also turn it around.
But no, no violence.
I didn't experience it.
unidentified
What was that?
tate brown
No, I was just like, now I know what to do if I need to.
Burning Man.
ian crossland
It felt like someone did die on the ground.
james klug
How many times have you been to Burning Man?
Is that a thing?
ian crossland
Once.
I went once.
unidentified
You go a lot?
ian crossland
I went in 2007, I think, or eight.
It was the Green Man.
james klug
Did you feel safe?
ian crossland
The entire time, yeah.
I felt like people wanted me there.
Like people were really happy that I was there.
james klug
Do you think that's just because they're super hired?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Very likely.
They saw me in a wizard's robe.
I wore this brown robe with a hood and had this rope attached.
And then they were like, he's a prophet.
Which direction should I go?
And I would point a direction and they would go.
And then I'd continue on.
tate brown
Point to the employment office.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I would be like, I just whatever.
tate brown
McDonald's is hiring.
ian crossland
I was like feeling it.
The magnet, I was like that direction.
I don't know why I pointed that.
james klug
There's a bit of it, it's kind of like video game action going on out there, huh?
People are dressed up as a character.
ian crossland
One was a ranger.
He had like the one dude who's a barber, he like strapped leather.
He's this big, muscular dude walking around.
The other dude had like a feather in his hat with like a total ranger with like green.
He had like a leather vest on.
It was the girls were like in robes.
carter banks
Fan braces and ranger boots.
ian crossland
Yeah, one girl they called her Sea Monster.
tim pool
I think the issue is that we're reaching the apex of human boredom.
So, you know, back in the day, like we were talking about UBI quite a bit.
We're in UBI right now.
By average human standards, we live in UBI.
james klug
There's UBI, tons of UBI in California, too.
tim pool
No, I mean, like the idea that we make money sitting here complaining.
unidentified
And water is the same.
tim pool
Go back a thousand years.
Yeah, exactly.
Clean running water and hot showers.
You could be a homeless person, people are begging you to take a shower.
Like, I'm not even kidding.
They walk up and say, please come take a hot shower with clean running water.
Imagine going back a thousand years and telling a king, you know, we, we, We give even the poorest people, actually, we try to make them take showers.
He's going to be like, I have a shower once a month.
It's expensive.
Like, bro, kings in castles, they had poop chutes.
That is, their toilet was just a hole that went straight outside onto the ground.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they had dudes that come up and shovel it to move it away.
Now, you could walk into a Starbucks and they're like, you can do whatever you want.
tate brown
Imagine explaining to them that the obesity rate gets higher the poorer you are.
james klug
They won't get it.
tate brown
For real.
tim pool
I mean, it's like, and rich people, and it's like, actually, only the wealthiest people can like lose the weight and eat properly.
tate brown
Literally.
tim pool
That's why it's funny when these people are like, Did you know that peasants used to have 154 days of vacation?
It's actually not correct.
james klug
Where do they get that from?
tim pool
It's a made up thing that Communists, here's what happened.
An academic pointed out that half the year you can't farm, so they were huddled for warmth, starving to death.
And then Communists were like, So they didn't have to work?
james klug
Yeah, so they just sat outside and watched Netflix all day.
Is that what they did?
tate brown
Do you think people in Milwaukee still do that?
unidentified
Really?
tate brown
Yeah, they huddle for warmth and starve to death.
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
tate brown
I think the food's nasty.
ian crossland
That's a kind of work.
I mean, you're shivering.
That's requiring energy.
You know, that's a type of work, and it will distract you from a lot of other types of work.
tate brown
I think we're simultaneously the most bored era, but also the least bored era, because part of the reason is like, when was the last time you were actually bored?
You'd just get on your phone.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I mean, like, I remember when I was a kid being bored to tears because I didn't have like instant devices.
james klug
That's going to become a massive problem, too.
It's literally just cancer.
You look at any group of kids or something, and they're all, every single person's on their phone.
And if they're not on the phone, they're doing something.
To being filmed on their phone.
tim pool
Check out this post.
Phil posted this.
So, this guy, Robert Raymond, says, Damn, can you imagine being a human during the Paleolithic age, just eating salmon and berries and storytelling around campfires and stargazing?
No jobs, no traffic, no ads, no poverty, no capitalism caused traumas, just pure vibes.
And Phil said, Can you imagine your child and mate both dying in childbirth?
Can you imagine getting a cut and dying of infection?
Can you imagine breaking your leg and being eaten by a saber toothed cat?
Can you imagine being filled with parasites?
Can you imagine poverty being universal?
The funny thing is, when he's like eating salmons, who got the salmons for you?
Whose job is fishermen a job?
Like, these people are literally retarded.
ian crossland
Yeah, he probably got that from a video game because there are times in the game where you know you already hit the rocks, you built the house with nine clicks, and now you just get to sit and enjoy the digital fire.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
tate brown
Bears do that now, and bears are always pissed off.
tim pool
I invite this guy.
unidentified
Explain that.
Hold on.
tim pool
I invite this guy.
Please live like it's the Paleolithic age.
I will buy land and let you live there like Paleolithic man.
ian crossland
I promise this.
tate brown
There's all kinds of trees.
james klug
You can literally do this at any time.
unidentified
I know.
james klug
You can do what he's saying at any time.
There's nothing holding you back.
ian crossland
He's really getting that right now.
The thing is, you could do this probably for 20 days a year now, easily, your average person, if they could manage it maybe 10 days a year on a vacation up into the mountains.
Back then, they might have experienced that, but they spent 99.9% of their time trying to survive and create the environment to be able.
And even then, you're looking around because animals can be in the dark.
They don't have lights, street lights, there are no streets.
james klug
Like, Capitalism derangement syndrome just has people saying the most retarded things.
ian crossland
But it's easy to get locked into it.
james klug
It's unbelievable.
ian crossland
Like the TV, it's easy to get locked into the machine.
It's so easy.
And then I think that's the capitalist trap.
It's not capitalism.
james klug
I'm not blaming capitalism.
I'm saying they have derangement syndrome against capitalism because they get into this.
I mean, that's the joke that Phil's making here.
He's saying, can you imagine poverty being universal?
tim pool
Here's what's going to happen.
They're going to put him in a pod where they neuralink his brain in and put a visor over his head.
And he's going to be floating there with like nutritional roach paste pumped into his stomach.
And he's going to be transported to a virtual reality where he's a paleoic man.
james klug
It's to be more productive than he is right now, if I were to guess.
tim pool
He would generate heat, I guess.
That's the matrix argument, right?
No, no, batteries.
james klug
Batteries, yeah.
tim pool
It was supposed to be a neural net that actually maintained the matrix, but they thought people were too stupid to understand that.
And they were correct.
ian crossland
That's pretty cool.
Just the computational force will produce enough charge.
That might happen too.
tim pool
It wasn't about charge.
It was about the humans were a neural net.
And then they said people are too dumb to understand that call them batteries.
ian crossland
They've been exploring.
tim pool
It's like humans don't produce nearly enough.
If they were in the pods going like this, like the whole time, just like pedaling.
I'm sure, I guess.
unidentified
Or if you could.
james klug
I mean, yeah, you could still be pretty inefficient, though, huh?
tim pool
No, I think there's a conjecture that a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient form of energy conversion.
tate brown
Did all the Amish do that?
Light bulbs on?
unidentified
Oh, really?
tate brown
I don't know.
tim pool
Well, now they use gravity generators, is the easiest way to do it.
You have a high gear ratio and you have a rock tied to a string, and when you lift it up and you crank it, when you let it go, gravity pulls it down and it spins a very high gear ratio, which turns the light on.
ian crossland
That's in South America.
Those are great.
tim pool
It's pretty crazy.
The energy from you lifting the rock is converted into a light.
That's pretty wild.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's very cool.
Actually, it's using the earth's force to charge things.
I mean, obviously, there's mechanical force as well with the rope and the gear, but.
You're basically the earth is doing most of the heavy lifting.
tim pool
You know what's really crazy?
You can take a bunch of pieces of wood and put them together so that when you put it on a stream, it spins.
And then you can take that spin and have it grind wheat into flour.
tate brown
It's genius.
That's like, you know, all these guys ruling out, oh, perpetual motion is impossible.
I still got some ideas.
ian crossland
The sun is technically not perpetual motion, but any human lifespan would tell you that it was.
james klug
What do you got, Tate?
tate brown
I like, I know people have tried it.
I just don't think they did it right.
Is if you have a car and then like a rod.
And then a magnet on the fishing rod, and then a magnet in the front of the car.
unidentified
Dude.
tate brown
And everyone's like, oh, it creates its own magnetic.
I don't care.
Let me try it first, and then I'll get back to you.
ian crossland
Yeah, I used to tell people.
unidentified
That's true.
tate brown
I just don't have access to it.
tim pool
Well, here's the trick.
It's that functional, as far as we're concerned, perpetual motion is entirely possible.
And what I mean by that is when you see these videos of like a wheel that keeps spinning, we all know there's a battery in there.
And then everyone argues perpetual motion is impossible while ignoring the fact that we don't live in a vacuum and that external energies will act upon whatever mechanism we produce.
Thus, people have produced things that look like perpetual motion, but it's actually just solar power.
For example, You can have wheels that solar heat, like the sun will heat the system, introducing energy to it, which causes an expansion, which can cause it steam pressure or can make it rotate.
Functionally, as far as we're concerned, we did not put energy into it.
We built a system that seems to just go, but it's actually just absorbing ambient energy.
So that's not a closed system.
It's not perpetual motion.
But as far as we're concerned, we're getting motion from putting nothing in.
carter banks
I mean, watches are pretty close the ones that just like use the rotation from your wrist to keep spinning themselves.
ian crossland
I think that's vibrating or it's.
tim pool
No, it's not.
So, uh, So, I have a watch when you walk, it spins a weight.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And the weight, like as you're walking, it just spins the spring.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So, that's just capturing existing energy.
My point is similarly, you can make a machine that seems to just go with no battery hooked up to it.
And you're like, how is it going?
And you're like, it's perpetual motion.
And people go, wow.
And it's actually just sunlight.
It's just solar powered.
ian crossland
I think that Newton's second law was that you can't get more energy.
That might be the law that says you can't get more energy out of the system than you put into it.
tim pool
And in fact, you typically can't get equal energy out from what you put into it due to energy loss.
ian crossland
And that is a true.
Statement, but there are no, like you said earlier, there are no closed systems in the universe.
There's always external circumstances.
tim pool
And then there's zero point energy, so maybe everything's just fake.
ian crossland
Zero point energy is where, ooh, I was just studying zero point.
You can have it at any temperature, but it's easiest to actuate at zero Kelvin.
tim pool
Yeah, absolute zero.
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tim pool
Good luck.
ian crossland
Zero to four Kelvin is where you really start to get quantum tunneling and stuff.
tim pool
So you put two metal plates in a vacuum and you'll see energy start forming between them.
ian crossland
Man, I want to go and learn more about zero point energy.
unidentified
Appearing to me, I suppose.
ian crossland
But so I was thinking about this on the drive over, like, We still live in the oil economy.
It's an excellent control mechanism for geopolitical force, for just interpersonal force.
You know, one guy can't blow up, it's hard to get a lot of fuel.
And so the next step, like I, it was, I was like a truth serum guy, everybody learn everything, and the next, the best will rise to the top.
And now I'm like, how long do we compress technology and society to force them to use oil as the main fuel source?
tate brown
Like, compress people?
ian crossland
Yeah, like just information and behavior and media manipulation.
How long do we pull this off?
james klug
It's also, I mean, I don't know, it's very easy for a lot of the like rest of the world that's underdeveloped to be using that as well.
tate brown
Yeah, they use a lot of coal.
james klug
Yeah.
ian crossland
So we have control, not we, but the powers that control the oil control the world, essentially.
james klug
Yeah, with a major shift going towards LNG right now.
So it's like that's going to be the majority.
ian crossland
And if we start moving towards gravity powered things or fusion powered things, we lose that power, that manipulative force that the American military machine has provided for 70 years.
And I'm like torn up about it.
unidentified
Torn up.
You know what?
james klug
You don't want to lose the power, you do want to lose the power.
ian crossland
I don't want.
A non American, I don't want a world that doesn't value property rights, free speech, gun rights.
I want, and if I am concerned that without cultural dominance, we kind of have it.
We kind of have the world looking at us.
james klug
We need to control the world's choke points.
That's a benefit.
There's a lot of areas that they can control trade when it comes to like China's Belt and Road Initiative, which is dead.
One of my problems is dead because of Trump.
unidentified
Right.
james klug
You're saying, yeah.
tim pool
So I'm changing the subject, I guess, because I was just thinking about something like, you know, Gen Z is just internet people.
But the things they're consuming online are just Indians.
So I was just imagining a future where it's like, it's true.
So we know about how they spam X with fake accounts.
We've got Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, and Indians trying to make money off all these systems.
There's that story right now that's going around where an Indian guy made a fake AI woman who was MAGA and then started selling OnlyFans to get guys to pay.
So you've got all these Indian dudes that are just ripping off Gen Z because Gen Z is too stupid.
It just doesn't care.
And I was just imagining a future where it's like a bunch of white Gen Z dudes walking around talking like this.
Because, like, they're consuming nothing but comedia from Indians.
james klug
Well, Canada's got that coming.
I don't know about the U.S.
tim pool
No, no, no, but that's because they're bringing migrants.
And I'm saying Gen Z is all online.
So, at a certain point, just consuming nothing but this fake Indian content.
Like, at what point do the Indians just drop the pretense and start talking with their actual accents?
tate brown
Yeah, well, they don't do it while we're talking.
unidentified
So, how's your point?
tate brown
There's no way.
tim pool
Did you see that video where the Indian guy had the fake AI filter and he was talking to the guy and he's like trying not to move his head?
And the guy's like, hold three fingers up in front of your face.
And he's like, no.
tate brown
Well, Tim, to your point, I mean, we already kind of are seeing this with like, Third culture kids, as in kids that are raised in non Western countries but go to international schools.
They used to universally have British accents, the English accent specifically.
And now most of them have American accents.
You've already seen the shift.
And the reason for that is because those kids are consuming the only interaction they're getting with the English language is their parents, which is, you know, varies.
And then through media, social media, et cetera.
ian crossland
That's the social media manipulation culture war that I think we're winning as Americans.
So it will get to a point where we can let go of the military dominance and just have a cultural dominance.
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ian crossland
Maybe not.
Controlling the oil is basically military dominance.
When I say military dominance, I mean controlling the fuel.
james klug
You can't project military dominance as long as humans exist and are involved in literally anything.
tate brown
You can't project power through soft power.
I mean, you can utilize soft power to move things in your direction, but there's no way to actually project force.
You can't show force through soft power.
If we cut off all of our Hollywood movies to China, that wouldn't have any real force implications.
That would just have, it would limit our ability to make America slightly more favorable in the views of the Chinese.
But blowing up a bridge, blowing up a bridge, that's force.
That's force projection.
james klug
It's like telling somebody not to do something versus hitting them in the face.
ian crossland
Maybe you'll get to the point where somebody, some country or some corporation just goes full.
Mask off fusion power, anti gravity, and everyone's like, oh, well, you better hope we get that.
That's what I'm wondering.
Like, why don't we do it first and just say, because then if everyone is fusion, then we can draw that's the whole idea with AI.
james klug
Yeah, you could draw a comparison to AI right there.
tate brown
Yeah, that's why the common argument from like the AI proponents is look, we are agree that there are some worries about where AI is going, but the problem is China's putting their foot on the gas anyway.
So if not us, who's you might as well have the most benevolent in our eyes, the most benevolent power.
james klug
We have the best talent, we have the best technology, exactly, utilize it, even if.
That's kind of the that's the step that they're taking right there.
tate brown
China is no limiting principle.
They don't care.
They're just going to put their foot on the gas.
So we might as well compete.
ian crossland
And if we transition to fusion or some other power source, we'll still use gas, oil, methane.
We'll still use that for the entire transitory phase, which could be 60 years or 70 years.
james klug
That's going for the next, what do you think, 100 years?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
But the problem is, like, we already have a more advanced fuel source, which would be nuclear.
But, you know, there's cultural reasons why people don't want to.
ian crossland
It's technically not fuel.
Fuel, they say, is hydrogen, carbon, and plutonium.
tate brown
As far as what could power, you know, use an electric grid, power an electric grid.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, but fuel is portable.
That's why they call it fuel.
It's different than power stations.
So, fuel you can carry around.
Technically, plutonium.
unidentified
I don't think that's correct.
ian crossland
That's what the definition I was told.
tim pool
They often refer to radioactive materials as fuel.
tate brown
But also, in addition to that, they're going to use electric vehicles.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
You might be right, but radioactive materials shipped in.
They ship it into a plant.
ian crossland
I thought plutonium was a fuel, but uranium isn't.
tate brown
But we would be utilizing it as a fuel by powering our electric grid, which will power electric vehicles, presumably, if that's the way things move.
ian crossland
You could put fuel in a base station, but.
It's still fuel that you would be able to take and carry around.
tate brown
Whereas, like, fuel to Hawaii, unless they build a nuclear reactor to then power electric vehicles, I guess that would be the question.
tim pool
Fuel is just defined as any material that can be consumed or used to generate power.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
ian crossland
So if we, I don't know why, but this Jim Tour is the scientist that told me it's hydrogen, carbon, and plutonium right now.
tate brown
We are seeing the market react and they're moving back away from EVs.
A lot of these car manufacturers are like, oof, whereas these aren't selling like hotcakes.
tim pool
Like, I guess to be fair, solar is not fuel.
You wouldn't call it a fuel, right?
ian crossland
It's a charge, it produces charge.
unidentified
Renewable energy.
ian crossland
Like, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Alternative.
ian crossland
Water power isn't fuel.
Water's not the fuel, technically.
It's not a fuel.
tim pool
You could use it as a fuel, but like, you know, have you guys ever heard of crater earth theory?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Someone sent me, apparently, I could be wrong, but like, the moon is a projection of the earth that we're on.
ian crossland
Oh, I've heard that.
Zero Point Energy And EV Markets 00:13:45
tim pool
And that, where our whole world is actually just in a tiny crater on the moon, and the moon is just a reflection.
People believe wild things.
james klug
That's a good one.
That's creative.
tim pool
I like greater earth, though.
That's my favorite.
unidentified
I like hollow earth.
tim pool
Because you can imagine that, like, no, greater earth is cool because it means there's more continents and places you've never been to, and there's things to explore.
james klug
I like that.
Greater Earth.
That's the one I was like, yeah.
tim pool
The reason why people like Greater Earth is because it means the Earth is not totally discovered yet and there's still things to find and do.
Whereas right now it's like everything's been done, you know what I mean?
james klug
It's very exciting, actually.
There's rainforests as well as you know deep in the ocean that we still need to explore.
ian crossland
That's very exciting when they'd use those LiDAR to detect under the Amazon and they see all these things.
tate brown
Every time, you know, everyone always says that they're like, oh, we've only explored like seven percent of the water, but then when you get the video from what's going on down there, it's just like weird looking.
Fish.
james klug
It's like, oh, you're not getting the right footage.
tate brown
There's no thrill, you know?
james klug
I'm not getting the right footage.
tate brown
I'm a fish with a light on the end of my head.
I'm a retarded looking fish and I got a light bulb.
It's like, okay, who cares?
Wake me up when there's like, you know, some fortresses.
unidentified
Who's your deep sea fish?
I got like a guy.
james klug
I need to get a new one.
tim pool
Like a guy down there.
tate brown
Yeah, if there's a guy down there, you know, or something, but it's just like, every time I see the videos, it's like, oh, people get crushed because of the pressure and then there's like goofy looking fish.
james klug
What's the rainforest that only like 30%?
Is it the Amazon that only like 30%?
Well, have you seen how it's discovered?
carter banks
I think so.
unidentified
Large swathies.
james klug
Well, what are difficult to travel?
tim pool
You're not talking about the Alaskan rainforest.
tate brown
Good thing we're deforesting it.
That way we'll know what's under there when we look on Google.
tim pool
Bro, look at this.
ian crossland
Amazon's got like special.
tim pool
There's like, there's the Congo.
Look at the Congo, bro.
There's like, there's cities here.
Look at this.
People live in the wilderness.
You got to go to the Amazon.
carter banks
The Amazon, the dark soil.
tim pool
They stay to the Amazon?
carter banks
I'm thinking, yeah.
ian crossland
The Amazon's nuts.
unidentified
That's it.
ian crossland
Everybody should go.
unidentified
What's right here?
ian crossland
You get a chance now.
tim pool
Like, what's right here?
carter banks
I'm not going.
unidentified
Look at these trees.
ian crossland
Go sail down a river.
tim pool
Can't even see.
Ride a couple of trees.
ian crossland
Look at these trees.
carter banks
There's like barracudas in there.
tim pool
Bro, there's like some monkey in there.
He's chilling.
He doesn't even know people exist.
james klug
Being a warlord in the rainforest.
ian crossland
It's wild.
I hung out with this woman that had a turkey.
I went to Peru, to Northeast Peru and Iquitos and stayed there for like three weeks.
My friend was cleaning plastic out of the Amazon.
tim pool
And then I ended up hanging her out for a while.
Look, I just proved Antarctica is not real because these colors don't make any sense.
That proves it.
ian crossland
Yeah, that looks fake.
tim pool
Nope, nope.
That's just a picture, and that proves it's fake.
carter banks
Too perfect of a curve there.
james klug
That's a good point.
It could be Israel on that one.
tate brown
The 90 day fiancé guys are like the last true explorers where they're just going to the most remote locations just to have sex.
It's like there's something going on there where every time I watch that show, there's guys going deep into the Amazon just because they can't pull anywhere else.
tim pool
You want to hear a crazy story?
james klug
That's crazy.
tate brown
Yeah, they're like the modern day explorers in Peru.
They're the McDougal of our time.
tim pool
This is a story that we are tracking advice.
We were trying to get in.
In the mountains, the air is too thin for women.
And so guys go up to the mountains to mine.
And so they're there for like a month or two months.
So other guys dress up like women to have sex with the guys while their wives are back in the village.
And Vice was trying to get access to these villages to do one of these docs on it.
And they were like, that would be like the best doc ever.
It's like the male trans prostitutes of Peru or whatever.
But they weren't able to pull it off.
james klug
Oh, that's wild.
They weren't able to film their pornography film.
tate brown
Yeah, that's a shame.
tim pool
Well, I don't think they wanted to.
Make it about sex, but they wanted to like show that they were male hookers pretending to be women.
ian crossland
They should make a story about the one woman that could handle it.
carter banks
Why could they not breathe up there?
tim pool
The thing is, though, like when you hear that story in my mind, I'm imagining like two just ripped hairy guys and one guy puts on lipstick and goes, I'm the woman now.
But in reality, it's probably just ladyboys.
unidentified
Yeah, ladyboys.
You like what you see?
james klug
I've been trying to figure out a cigarette voice.
tate brown
Yeah, in English.
Like he doesn't speak Spanish.
Hey there, minor boy.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like doing this.
Look at those striations at the bottom.
The ocean.
unidentified
Look at this.
ian crossland
All the earth is twisting open and getting lost.
tim pool
Why is there an airport right here?
tate brown
Deeply unserious island named Puka Puka.
What are we doing?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
Wait, wait.
tim pool
Like, why is it airport?
tate brown
Yeah, I'm from Puka Puka.
tim pool
Let me zoom out.
tate brown
Yeah, there's players.
unidentified
Look at it.
What is it?
Some B2s.
tim pool
What are they doing over there, huh?
unidentified
Ports.
ian crossland
Dude, there's like living on every island.
unidentified
Oh, look at that.
tate brown
Oh, yeah, I'm from Faggot.
unidentified
Atolls.
ian crossland
Atolls.
Those are all.
unidentified
Look at this.
james klug
I mean, that looks so cool.
unidentified
Bro.
carter banks
So is that like an island with a lake in the middle of it?
unidentified
People vacation.
It's called an atoll.
ian crossland
It's still salt water, I'm pretty sure.
tim pool
It's called an atoll.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tate brown
There's a lake in Canada with an island with a lake inside of it.
It's like triple islands.
unidentified
Look at this.
ian crossland
I don't know why it's really blue, that really turquoise.
I don't know why.
tate brown
The Americans don't know how deep it is.
unidentified
Oh, that's sand.
carter banks
Yeah.
unidentified
Shallow.
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's sand and shallow water.
james klug
Yeah, sand and shallow water.
tate brown
All those airfields were built by us, too.
ian crossland
Dude, the atolls.
The atolls.
james klug
Can you just go there, though?
Like, you can just fly there casually?
unidentified
Probably.
Probably.
tim pool
But you know that, like, Tahiti is like that.
Tahiti is like, isn't Tahiti like their most remote island or whatever?
unidentified
I don't know.
Wow.
tim pool
Hongaroa.
Let's go there.
tate brown
It's a Chilean zone, this.
tim pool
Look at that.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The Chileans on this one?
They got an airport.
james klug
Oh, that's a good setup.
tim pool
You know, here's the truth.
I'm going to ruin it for you guys, though.
You would land there, you'd walk to the store, and you'd be like, oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like, do you have any rights?
james klug
Honestly, that sounds like a dream vacation to me.
tim pool
Just like, you could literally do that anywhere.
tate brown
Yeah, my boy, he got deployed to Guam, and he was thinking it was going to be like Easter Island, hasn't he?
Got there, and it was like a Burger King, and he's like, yeah, you know, one of the things in Peru that was, they had chicken and rice.
james klug
I'm going to have a cake sesh every once in a while.
Dude, not that bad.
tate brown
Smash a Whopper on a remote island, dude.
ian crossland
I think a lot of like the whole like get away from society is like romanticized because in Peru, it was like chicken and white rice.
Not healthy food, and then I just was begging for like a whole food.
There's nothing like I couldn't get kale, I couldn't get any healthy stuff.
carter banks
Look at this, dude.
james klug
When you really change your diet, really change your diet.
Yeah, this is tough.
tim pool
Isn't that where they all like are incesting each other?
tate brown
The HMS Bounty, uh, the HMS Bounty, a bunch of maroon sailors landed on Pitcairn, so all of the descendants of like 12 men live on that island, and it's all incest.
There's a lot of inbreeding because they have no choice because there's only like 12 men on the whole island, so they all have, and it's still owned by the English, but it's rapidly depopulating.
So the British government has set up a scheme.
To pay people to relocate there.
tim pool
That's not that Pitcairn.
That's the Adamstown, right?
unidentified
Right here.
tate brown
Yeah, it's the Pitcairn Islands.
But that's Pitcairn Island.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, that's mountainous.
tim pool
St. Paul's Pool.
ian crossland
You'd have to live on the coast.
tate brown
There's a guy on YouTube, though, that grew up there and he has a channel, and it's quite fascinating.
tim pool
They marooned there and just lived?
tate brown
Yeah, but they had this problem where three straight mares got caught up in molestation scandals.
So they have a really difficult time.
I don't know if they're much better than us, to be fair, but they have a difficult time.
tim pool
And it's funded by the British.
tate brown
Yeah, the British.
tim pool
Like at some point, the British showed up and they were like, we're saved.
And they're like, no, we're just going to give you money and we're going to keep you here.
carter banks
You guys stay here.
tate brown
Well, yeah.
Well, yeah, it was settled by these mutineers, the HMS Bounty.
And then what's fascinating now is they're running out of people because, as soon as people can, they leave the island because there's nothing going on there.
So the population is really old.
So the British have set up a scheme where you can move there and they'll pay you to move there.
The problem is, like, no one can settle.
carter banks
Why do they want to keep it going?
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Because they moved to the bigger island with more stuff going on, like right here.
unidentified
Look at all this.
tim pool
A lot of trees.
unidentified
It's eerie.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's just an island.
tate brown
Because they shipwrecked.
They didn't have a choice.
tim pool
I'm saying right now.
unidentified
Oh, well.
They are.
tate brown
They are leaving.
ian crossland
Is there a movie about that?
unidentified
This to the HMS Bounty?
tate brown
Probably, yeah.
unidentified
I wonder if I looked that up.
tim pool
Adamstown.
tate brown
Yeah, it's fascinating.
I love the random European colonies.
They're so fascinating.
tim pool
Is there no airport?
tate brown
No, you get there by boat and it takes forever.
unidentified
Oh, that's why people are leaving.
carter banks
Nancy's.
tate brown
Yeah, it's a terrible place to live.
You'd think it'd be nice, but it's.
unidentified
Look at this.
tate brown
It's all like elderly people.
And they have a weird accent, too.
It's like this weird.
james klug
Oh, that's not good.
unidentified
What's that black spot?
Cloud.
Oh.
ian crossland
Where's that dark cavern in the middle of the island?
james klug
That's where the wizard lives.
tim pool
Dude, it's pretty wild when you look at Tahiti and these islands, dude, where there's just.
People are there like Rapa.
Let's just go down and see what's going on in Rapa.
Nothing, nobody.
unidentified
Cool name.
Hold on.
ian crossland
I like that.
unidentified
Let's take it.
tim pool
Right here?
Right here, set up Ian's Town.
Oh, wait, there are people here.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Yeah, they're right on the inlet.
unidentified
Look at that.
tim pool
No, you know, when I look at this map, I do realize that maybe the Malthusians were right.
There's people everywhere, dude.
There's too many of them.
ian crossland
They've got to be underground.
I'd be surprised.
tim pool
Now I understand Barack Obama when he's like, there's too many people.
unidentified
I'll blow them up.
tate brown
You have whole massive islands.
james klug
Yeah, you really focused on that.
tate brown
And you have whole massive islands where no one lived there until the Europeans arrived, like the Falkland Islands.
The British are technically indigenous to an island that is thousands of miles away because they were the first people to settle it.
I know the Argentines in the crowd will be upset to hear that.
unidentified
True.
What is this?
You can't even see it.
ian crossland
Natives there that they slaughtered.
No one was here.
tate brown
There was literally no one there.
Like it was just a big, giant, empty island.
unidentified
Look at all those.
tim pool
Look at this place.
I love this place.
unidentified
Raya Vive.
tim pool
They have an airport here, dude.
That's crazy.
unidentified
Awesome.
tim pool
Isn't it crazy that somebody's like, I want to put an airport here?
tate brown
Usually the Americans built all those airfields during World War II.
ian crossland
During and after the war.
tim pool
But why are there people here?
Look at this thing.
Look at this tiny little Rave.
That's it.
ian crossland
A place for it.
tim pool
I live there.
ian crossland
Look at that underwater roof.
tim pool
Tubuai.
Look at this.
They got an airport?
unidentified
They do.
tim pool
Man, Americans be putting airports everywhere, huh?
unidentified
That's so nice.
tate brown
We're big on it.
We're big on it, too.
That's what they're saying.
carter banks
I mean, they probably have to island hop just to get to land.
tim pool
Do you think they have culture war problems here?
carter banks
Doubtful.
tim pool
There's like 100 people, but half of them are woke and half are Christian.
tate brown
Actually, they're transing the coconuts.
It's a big problem.
tim pool
There's like one trans kid, and they're like, this is too far.
tate brown
Yeah.
For real.
ian crossland
There's internet, there's culture war for sure.
There's the whole world.
tim pool
These people live on this island, and they're all watching media from like New York, LA, and like Alabama.
And they live next to each other, but they watch completely different online media.
One guy's watching Alex Jones, one guy's watching Rachel Maddow, and they got in fight.
james klug
You want to be a successful YouTuber?
Honestly, pick any of these islands and just go live on it and document your entire thing, run it, start, you know, whatever, build stuff on it.
You're going to have millions.
tim pool
This one right here.
There's nothing there right now.
james klug
I love seeing this stuff.
Like, I have no clue what this stuff is.
I've never seen these in my life.
tim pool
How about Rimatra?
unidentified
Super cool.
tim pool
Look at it.
They got a church.
tate brown
I mean, there's a whole island in Hawaii that's owned by one family, and they like run the entire thing.
unidentified
Holy.
tate brown
Yeah, and like they ban people from visiting, but there's like the problem is there's islanders there that live there, so like they're just like in a they're frozen like the 80s.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Here you go.
This is the perfect place to go the Midway Atoll.
Literally nothing bad has ever happened there.
ian crossland
Yeah, Midway.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There's nothing bad.
tate brown
Nothing notable.
ian crossland
That's the most important island in Axis and Allies if you've ever played the board game.
You want that island if you're the Americans or the Japanese.
Midway is where it all.
Oh, that's where your bombers can refuel if you want to do bombing raids on the right.
tim pool
Ooh, hey, look at this.
carter banks
I wonder what that is.
tim pool
Why did Google block this out?
carter banks
Yeah, it's blurred.
tim pool
We found it, guys.
Look at these.
They're all blurred.
tate brown
Is that where Israel is?
ian crossland
There's something there.
tim pool
Necker Island.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
james klug
Take it easy.
tate brown
What kind of show is this?
Goodness gracious.
ian crossland
Trying to protect us from ourselves.
unidentified
Here we go.
What's this?
james klug
That is all actually blurred out, isn't it?
unidentified
It is.
Yeah, it's blurred out.
tate brown
Go back to Hawaii.
Zoom out and just look at Hawaii.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Look at this.
This is big.
Hold on.
tate brown
Block it out.
unidentified
Shut it down.
ian crossland
I bet it's military sensitive militaries.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
Look at all this is blocked out.
tate brown
Go kind of zoom into the top islands.
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
james klug
You nailed that.
unidentified
What?
tate brown
It's privately owned.
unidentified
Where?
tim pool
What are you talking about?
I don't even see it.
tate brown
I can't remember which one's Nihau.
unidentified
Hang on.
Let me look.
Nihau, like hello?
tate brown
No, it's N-I-I-H-A-U.
It's the westernmost of the main Hawaiian islands.
So, like that last kind of tiny one.
The entire island's privately owned by this family.
So, like that.
To the left, that one.
unidentified
Hawaii?
tate brown
Yeah, that entire island is one family.
Oh, it's like Nihau.
unidentified
Yeah, I see what you're talking about.
tim pool
There's like what?
tate brown
It's just one family owns the island.
tim pool
We could take it over pretty easily.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah, I think there's been negotiations, but this family just has it locked down.
And the natives love them, apparently.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Are they like a king?
They don't have any kind of regal authority or anything.
They just give them a lot of money.
tate brown
Functionally, they do.
If you live there, like that's your game.
tim pool
These are weird.
Like these all blurred out.
unidentified
It's like blurred out.
carter banks
Over the blurred spots, it's like 2020 something if you look close.
unidentified
Yeah.
Really?
ian crossland
First time I've ever seen a.
unidentified
Yeah, what does it say?
I don't know.
carter banks
Something with 20.
tim pool
This one looks blurred out when you zoom in.
Is it a Polish island?
Lysianski Island.
tate brown
Lysianski.
tim pool
The thing is, too, you can see how shallow it is.
You could probably walk way out, like super far.
unidentified
Yeah, I love that.
tim pool
Like you can walk way out.
So in Florida, for instance, you can go like 10 miles out and you can stand.
james klug
Yeah.
tim pool
That's how, when I went out there on a boat, you have to have sonar or whatever to track.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Because you have to go in between the rocks in your boat.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You can just jump out and just stand there.
That's where they have Stiltsville.
tate brown
That's Iran's problem right now.
ian crossland
I always wanted to go to that.
What's that really nice city where it's like a little village where it has houses over the water?
You know, those little.
unidentified
Oh, like Bora Bora.
Bora Bora.
That's it.
Yeah.
tim pool
Bro, you guys want to know what's up?
You want to go to Unalaska.
james klug
It's probably really expensive.
unidentified
Look at this.
Awesome.
tim pool
Atu Station.
tate brown
Did you know the Aleutian Islands is like.
Like 30% Filipino.
Because the Filipinos just run the fishing industry there.
So it's like if you go to Unalaska, it's just going to be all Filipinos.
tim pool
Unalaska, dude.
That's the secret.
tate brown
Yeah, it's all Filipinos there.
tim pool
Isn't that where they do like Ice Road Crabbin or whatever that show is?
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
No, Crabbin.
tate brown
Crabbin.
tim pool
Yeah, the show about Crabbin.
tate brown
Yeah, but if you were to visit Unalaska, you would just be, it'd be like you're in California.
It's just Filipinos everywhere, but they're all bundled up.
ian crossland
Is it in Alaska?
tate brown
They're kind of like minions.
tim pool
You know what's really crazy is that Filipinos are basically welcome everywhere.
tate brown
Yeah, everyone loves them.
ian crossland
So, dude, the Philippines are the thing after it.
tim pool
I was working with this Filipino guy and we went to Brazil, I think.
And we went to a couple of the countries.
And like, I'm waiting in line.
I have to get, you know, when you go to Egypt, you got to like get a stamp for your passport.
You have to walk up and ask for a visa and pay for it.
And I'm going to Brazil.
I had to get a 10 year visa, pre approved and all that.
He just walks in.
And then he was like, Oh, the Filipinos, man, like, because they're just fishermen everywhere, you can go to any country you want.
He's like, Iran, I can go to Iran right now.
And I'm like, Really?
He's like, Yeah, they're not Filipino passports like a golden passport, don't piss anybody off.
Except not the United States.
It's hard to get in the US with a Filipino passport, harder, but literally everywhere else, they're just day laborers.
So they're like, welcome aboard.
tate brown
Yeah, apparently it's 34% Filipino.
Visa Requirements For Global Travel 00:13:20
unidentified
It's crazy.
On a left?
34.
tate brown
Yeah.
ian crossland
To clarify, this is in the Asian Islands.
tim pool
You know what's cool?
I'll let you guys in on a secret.
You know what?
You know, a secret is if you're friends with Filipinos, you'll get a lot of spam.
ian crossland
Also, you get a lot of spam.
unidentified
You eat a lot of spam.
james klug
He's like, they sell your phone number out.
unidentified
Your wife, what was that?
tate brown
If you go up a little bit, that Holy Ascension of Our Lord, Russian, that's the first Orthodox church in the entire United States, but it was built by the Russians and it's fast.
They use like whale bones and stuff.
unidentified
Whale bones.
ian crossland
Dude, have you guys seen those Catholic churches or those old Christian churches where it's all made of Bone of their conquered enemies.
You could pull up images instantly of these crazy tricks.
tate brown
That's how Trump should build the arts.
The arts should be with like the bones of our vanquished enemies.
ian crossland
There's many of them throughout.
tim pool
We got to get the questions from the Discord.
So if you guys want to throw your questions in right now while we're exploring Google Earth and wasting time, we'll get your questions going.
So get them in, get them in.
unidentified
Zoom out.
ian crossland
Look at the really light blue stuff, I believe was all above water before the flood.
tim pool
Beaver Inlet.
You think there's a lot of beavers there?
carter banks
Doubtful.
Yeah.
unidentified
Doubtful.
I don't know.
carter banks
It's pretty vast.
ian crossland
I think they've been called.
tim pool
Erskine Bay.
tate brown
That'd be so nice to get a Bay named after you.
ian crossland
By the way, I know it's a little off topic, but I just saw a Rick and Morty clip where Morty's dad is a wooden guy and he sails down the river and gets eaten by beavers.
Still good writing.
That show is still really well written, minus Morty's voice, unfortunately, but it's still.
Whoever's writing that stuff, man.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got one from Kilo Charlie Five.
It says Tim, in regards to the point you made of bullets being almost instantaneous death as a firefighter and former paramedic, I've seen several cases of that not being the case.
Perhaps exception, not the rule, but one guy after killing his wife put the gun in his mouth and blew the back of his skull off.
And still lived for 17 minutes.
And also, my best friend had an accidental discharge of the.45 through his heart and still lived for 45 minutes before he passed.
I was there and witnessed it with my own eyes.
Indeed, the exception, not the rule.
In firing squads, they aim for your chest and you get blasted by like 15.308s at the same time.
I'm sorry, that's instant death.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
Five guys with.308s all shooting at the exact same time right into your chest, you just die.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
We know bad shots can result in you living for, you know, Longer, unfortunately, and that's obviously terrible.
But this is, I mean, you're getting obliterated being shot by that many rifles.
carter banks
No accidental discharge there for sure.
tim pool
What if instead of firing squad, we had two one ton metal blocks that went boom!
unidentified
Same moment.
tim pool
You're just standing there, next thing you know, you don't even know anything.
unidentified
It's over.
ian crossland
It's probably faster.
tim pool
You don't hear anything.
carter banks
Well, they can't really have an open casket funeral for you then because you'll be squashed.
tim pool
I don't think you're going to have an open casket after a death.
carter banks
Well, I think that's why they don't shoot them in the head, but I don't know.
ian crossland
I have the most gruesome.
Comedy here, we don't want to make it.
It's like you could get a snapshot of their face right before it hits, and then that could be like on the what if they just fill your cell with carbon dioxide in the middle of the night?
Poison gas, they used to, but I think it takes a while.
Oh, no, no carbon monoxide during sleep is one.
I mean, honestly, it's humane, there's no pain.
tim pool
Why don't you know what we should do?
We should put people in rockets and fire them at the sun.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like a moon travel experiment, maybe a Mars one.
tim pool
Launch you straight at the sun.
ian crossland
Once you get close enough, you just kind of.
unidentified
All right.
tate brown
Well, because that's what they used to do.
james klug
They're like, you're on Earth, you're going to Mars, pal.
tate brown
Because that's what they used to do.
They like launch.
tim pool
That's Australia, bro.
tate brown
They'd launch a dog into space and be like, oh, it dies.
Interesting.
Write that down.
james klug
Hey, Steven, write that down.
tate brown
Hey, that chimp that we launched into space.
Yeah, he died.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Really?
tate brown
Now we know.
tim pool
So, is the argument from flat earthers that the Russians faked going to space too?
unidentified
I guess so.
tim pool
Like the Russians and the Americans teamed up to pretend to go to space to trick us into thinking space is real.
tate brown
One big bit.
ian crossland
Is the flat earth movement gone?
Is it finally finished?
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
That's why Candace was like, I'm not a round earther or a flat earther.
james klug
It's probably bigger than ever.
tate brown
Square earther.
tim pool
Dude, I got half a million views on my fake greater earth little gag thing on Instagram.
And there are people being like, stop making fun of flat earthers, Tim.
james klug
People have so much information right now that they're just getting, and not even to address like this specific point right here, but just in general.
They have so much information.
They can go down a rabbit hole.
In literally anything.
So it's like, and then they don't really have anybody that's like an authority figure that is maybe well read on it or has a strong opinion about it to really push back.
So they can just go develop any opinion that they want, really.
ian crossland
Make a YouTube or a post and then that gets 100 likes and they're like, wow, there's a people that like this idea.
It must be right.
james klug
Dude, that's what I deal with on the street with like Blue Anon and stuff.
I mean, it's like way worse than anything QAnon was ever doing.
They're out of their freaking minds.
You go to a protest, they have every conspiracy theory under the sun about like Trump, Republicans, whatever it may be.
tim pool
Let's go.
We got Lacey says, Tim, what do we do about the corporate?
HR state, blue collar men are no longer allowed to have opinions.
I honestly have no idea.
It's the insurance companies.
So, you know, Alice and I like to talk about this.
Every day we learn a new thing as to why corporations are the way they are.
Everybody hates the way corporations are.
They hate the HR video they make you watch.
And you sit there and you watch this thing on sexual harassment.
And when the guy goes, That's a nice dress, Mary.
And she goes, Wait, that's harassment.
I'm sorry.
And then everyone's like, We're not retards.
Why are you making us watch this?
Because they're legally obligated to do it.
Because some retard will sue, and so the insurance companies make them do it.
unidentified
That's just it.
tim pool
Like when we were at Turning Point the last time we ever went, Charlie said, I don't ban guns here.
The center does.
Like we don't ban weapons.
And the reason the center does is because the insurance companies make them do it.
Same thing for us with events.
I was like, we have no choice.
If we want to do an event, our insurance company requires we get security.
Security can't secure an event if people are allowed to bring guns in.
It's for obvious reasons.
They're like, you want us to make sure nobody gets killed, but you're going to let 50 people have guns.
10 of them could stand up with guns.
We can't secure that, so we have to say no guns.
We say, well, we don't want to do that.
The insurance company says, if you don't, then we won't insure you.
If we don't insure you, you can't rent the venue and you can't have an event.
Thank you.
unidentified
Bye.
tim pool
So we've built this system.
It just, that's it.
We're standing on a gigantic.
Framework of psychotic nonsense that results in awful things.
james klug
Some of it has to do with that, obviously, and probably most of it.
And then there's also a massive area where you're having to watch these stupid HR videos that are forced to be there from left wing groups that want to indoctrinate people in the corporate world as well.
tim pool
No, it's just insurance.
james klug
Is it just an insurance conversation?
You think it's all insurance?
tim pool
100% insurance.
So I worked for, when I worked at Fusion, they made me do a hostile environment training.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The funny thing is, Young journalists desperately want to do hostile environment training for fun.
They want to say they've done it, have the accolade on their resumes or whatever.
But many hostile environment training, guys, you want a business to make money?
Start a hostile environment training company and you will just have contracts for days.
You'll make 60 grand a weekend.
Because a lot of these young people want to do it, legitimate companies won't take them.
They say, unless you can prove you need it for some reason, we won't allow you to enroll.
It's a waste of our time.
The reason why ABC University made me do it, I had.
At this point, what, three, four years of experience in hostile environments.
And they were like, we still think you should do it anyway.
And I'm like, sure, whatever.
It'll be fun.
It's because of the insurance companies.
Imagine what would happen if Disney sent a 27 year old into a riot in Turkey and they got shot in the head.
They have to pay out $20 million.
They give them hostile environment training, and the insurance company says, this individual was trained and properly equipped.
So that's why they make you do it.
You only get access to it usually when a big company sends you to do it.
Otherwise, they don't let you in.
If you guys started a hostile environment training company, you'd have contracts for days.
Just put up a flyer outside of like Vice HQ or whatever, and you'll have 50 requests, and all the rich kids will be like, I really want to do it.
Just get like five vets with basic combat training to give them a weekend of combat training courses and some LARPing, and they're going to pay you out the ass.
But yeah, it's all everything we do here that we don't want to do, it's because we're required to by law.
So, like, it's funny, people will chat, be like, Did you know that Tibcast has NDAs?
We're required to.
We don't want to do it, we have to do it.
It's law.
So, the way it works is here's another good example.
Have you ever seen the movie Airheads?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, in the beginning, when he tries to give his CD to the guy, he goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
The reason why they can't take solicitations is that it voids all of their copyright contracts.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The moment any company accepts a solicitation, they can be sued.
Every single time.
So, what happens is when we first started the company, we were like, Hey, if you guys want to see some ideas, like send us your ideas.
And then our lawyer was like, Stop, delete it, take it down.
Because what happens is, let's say Ian writes a song and he uses A minor FCG, the structure of a song.
And then you get 100,000 submissions.
Ian publishes his song.
And then one of those 100,000 goes, That's my song.
He sues you.
He then says, I can prove they had my song.
I submitted it to them.
They received the email.
We can then say we never listened to it.
It's a coincidence using standard four chords, and it's not even the same song.
Nope, doesn't matter.
You're going to court.
He can prove you had access to it.
So that's why, for legal reasons, you can't submit your music, creative work, or ideas to any company.
Wouldn't it be great if people could, and then a record exec saw an email and said, I'll just take a look at submissions real quick.
Hey, this is pretty good.
I'm going to sign this undiscovered talent.
And then they're like, wow, I got lucky.
Nope, doesn't exist.
You can't do it.
You go to Hollywood, you have to be, you have to have an agent who comes in and says, I can approve this one submission.
All legal bullshit.
And 100%, it's all insurance companies.
And what likely is, is that their errors and omissions, their insurance company for all of their copyright stuff, errors and omissions or otherwise, says, if you accept submissions, we will not insure you.
And then if you don't have insurance, you're not going to be able to get on any platform or on the radio.
james klug
So, yeah, I was just going to say really quick, I guess what I was saying, the training, maybe I didn't mean training so much as, um, Making these corporations adopt kind of an ideological framework or ideological, like, let's say, it's not, it's, it's, so the Civil Rights Act created wokeness.
tim pool
When the moment they said, you cannot discriminate on the basis of these things, you immediately opened the door for legal precedent to sue for those things.
So now you will continually get more and more of it.
The company then says, we don't want to get sued, so we have to tell people that white people are bad.
That's the legal precedent set today.
It's not that the guy at the Fortune 500 company is woke and wants to do it.
It's that, We made a law that forces it.
unidentified
Right, right.
james klug
There's leverage over them for sure.
And I would imagine, probably as well, loans as well.
There's certain types of, are there types of business loans?
What's the group that helps?
unidentified
SBA.
james klug
Is it SBA?
tim pool
A small business?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
It gets like minorities get business loans or something?
james klug
Basically, it's like you need to check all these boxes in order for a massive corporation to be able to.
What's it called?
unidentified
No?
james klug
I'm spacing on this.
unidentified
I don't know.
james klug
I'll look it up in a sec.
tim pool
The argument is that from the civil rights law, You then get a corporate board of five white guys.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Then someone sues and says, that proves they're racist because shouldn't there be one black person, one woman?
So then they go, okay, we don't want to get sued, put a woman on.
Then what happens is I end up working in an office where they bring a woman on the team because they're scared of getting sued for being sexist and the woman's a fucking retard.
And then I'm like, why is this person here?
And then she goes, how come no one will listen to me?
It's because I'm a woman.
I'm like, no, it's because you're dumb, lack the talent, and you shouldn't be in this situation.
I'm not saying all women are dumb.
I'm not saying women shouldn't have jobs.
I'm saying, This particular woman was hired to be a token to avoid lawsuits, and now she's complaining, threatening a lawsuit.
The whole thing is stupid.
Let's grab this question right here.
We got Dasknotcool.
Dasknotcool says, Question for James.
From all your street interviews lately, what's the most common moment where someone's entire position collapses when you just ask them to explain it?
Explain it simply or give a specific example.
Do you see that happening more often now than a couple of years ago?
james klug
That's a really good question.
There's so many of those.
And off the top of my head, honestly, it probably has to do with immigration, mass migration, talking about, you know, if you have them unpack a basically A position that they hold.
I guess I could give several examples, but we'll do one of their favorite ones is like due process, and they really don't know what within due process is missing.
And so they think that illegal immigrants are entitled to basically due process that somebody would get if they committed a crime in the United States for a criminal case.
But the act of immigration is a civil process, it's an administrative process, and they don't understand any of that stuff.
So basically, having them break down exactly what they're getting at when it comes to What due process is missing for illegal immigrants?
That's probably one of the biggest ones that we run into.
But, like, what specifically?
I don't really have anything off the top of my head.
I would have to think about it for a sec, but good question.
tim pool
We'll grab one more for Ian.
Vash says, Ian, when y'all were talking about some sex airport island in the Antarctic about eight minutes ago, you said it was all water before the flood.
How can you flood all water?
ian crossland
That's a great question.
Civil Process Misunderstood By Immigrants 00:02:37
ian crossland
Thank you for that.
I don't get back to you.
How do you flood all the water?
Deep sex ops in the Antarctic.
I'm into it.
Did I mention that or was I just thinking about it in the deep recesses of my tortured self?
tim pool
What was that thing you blurted out about robot sex dogs a long time ago?
ian crossland
Robot sex dogs, they're coming.
It's going to be, and they're coming, and they're coming.
Robots that are dogs, robots that have sex.
tim pool
We were talking about robots and robot dogs, and then Ian blurted out mixing them together accidentally.
unidentified
Robots.
ian crossland
I just didn't get into the combo.
I was like, I need to push this.
james klug
We better ban.
tim pool
Everyone's just like, what?
james klug
We better ban that in the United States.
ian crossland
Or when I'm pumping your leg and all that.
tim pool
I want to tell you guys one last thing before we go.
I want you to remember the good old days.
Elijah Schaefer and Sydney Watson together at Tim Cass Studio.
And Ian looked at them and said he likes putting his fingers in cows' mouths.
And they both laughed.
They laughed.
unidentified
That was a good time.
tim pool
Those are the good old days.
Because now, like, you know, Elijah's got something going on.
Everyone's going after him and Sydney, and then they're not friends anymore.
ian crossland
I'm going to go hang out with some cows.
That's what that means.
tim pool
Don't put your fingers in their mouths.
ian crossland
Well, I might.
If the babies, baby cows.
unidentified
Right?
ian crossland
They're gentle.
james klug
Anyway, they're dangerously cute.
unidentified
I want to.
Friends!
It's crazy.
tim pool
It's been a fun Friday.
I know we were largely goofing off, having a good time looking at Google Earth, but I think we need it.
I think people are burned out on the same stories over and over again.
It's a slow news day and it's slow because everyone's tired.
You know, you've got like the Iran stuff, you've got the SPLC stuff, and we talked a bit about it.
But I'm sitting here like this morning, I did a live stream because I'm just like, dude, I am not going to make the fifth segment about people fleeing New York City.
Like, we keep getting more and more.
I get it.
Something happened.
I'm not going to say the same thing again.
I'd rather make a video where I just fingerboard or something.
So we're going to have some fun on these Fridays.
Smash that like button.
Share this show, all the good stuff.
You can find me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
James, you want to shout anything out?
james klug
Yeah, you guys make sure to follow my YouTube channel.
Subscribe over there, youtube.comslash James Klug.
You can find me, James Klug, everywhere else, K L U G. Tim, really appreciate you having me on, man.
unidentified
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Always a pleasure.
Mr. Klug in the house, bro, at Ian Crossland.
You find me on the internet at Ian Crossland.
Go to graphene.movie and get ready for that.
Sign up, get your email in there for the newsletter for that.
And I think that's all I got to report today, but Tate Brown.
tate brown
That's right.
You can follow me on X.
And Instagram at Real Tate Brown.
Thank you for kluging it up for us.
I'm a big, longtime subscriber.
I love the great James Klugs.
It's always awesome to be on with them.
unidentified
Carter.
carter banks
I think I'm also a Klug head now.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
Popularized by Tate.
Thanks for coming, James.
You can follow me at Carter Banks on X and at Carter Banks Official everywhere else.
Follow our record label at Trash House Records on YouTube.
Tim.
tim pool
We'll see you guys with clips throughout the weekend, and we're back on Monday.
Thanks for hanging out.
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