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March 24, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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US Deploys 3,000 More Marines, 82nd Airborne Deploy To IRAN, WE ARE GOING IN | Timcast IRL

Tim Pool and guests dissect the U.S. deployment of 3,000 Marines and the 82nd Airborne to Iran, debating whether this escalation targets Karg Island or signals a failed peace strategy amidst rising oil prices. The conversation explores deep-fried ice cream, Texas City refinery sabotage theories, and the political fallout of the SAVE Act's failure due to filibuster rules. As Boomer influence wanes and Millennials dominate future elections, the group analyzes shifting demographics, the decline of cable TV, and the potential for regime change in Iran through Mossad infiltration rather than direct American intervention. [Automatically generated summary]

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Rumors of Deployment 00:02:11
tim pool
Gen Z, y'all getting drafted.
Okay, maybe not, but there's this new report that they've increased the age limit for enlistments to 42, and they don't care if you've been convicted of marijuana or light drug possession.
So the 42-year-old thing is obvious.
They want older people to be able to join the military.
I wonder why.
They're also giving out steak and lobster to our troops.
And the best part is the marijuana thing, because I'm like, okay, now they're basically saying we need to open up the pool a little bit wider.
That one's targeting Gen Z.
But here's the interesting thing.
The real concern over the draft, immigrants are worried.
Not a joke.
This is the report.
Young people are kind of like, I'm undraftable because they're just like hikikomori.
If you know what that means, it means they sit at home and play video games all day and they don't go outside.
But immigrants are like, uh-oh.
And there's a lot of people saying, you know, it would be funny if Biden brought in 20 million illegal immigrants from Honduras, not for the economy, but to just unload them all in Iran.
And then as John Bolton would say, this time next year, we'll be eating pantanos and baliera in Tehran, which he never said, but would be absolutely hilarious if Iran just became like new Honduras.
But the big news, of course, is, my friends, if you've been following this show, you are not surprised to learn that we are deploying the 82nd Airborne Division, 3,000 more troops to the Middle East.
The speculation being this will be for the occupation of Karg Island, the key oil distribution hub for Iran.
And we had been talking about this.
We had heard rumors in the area about, you know, people who know other people, who see them packing up and getting ready to go, rumors of deployment.
And it appears that it's actually going to happen.
As many are saying, this is increasing the probability that we will see boots on the ground in Iran.
That being said, Donald Trump has said he's in peace negotiations with Iran, and they gave him a truly, truly wonderful gift related to oil and natural gas, but he's not going to tell you what it is.
And that's good, but I got to be honest, all the while we're being told that things are winding down, but all of the military action we see shows a dramatic escalation.
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tim pool
Now, there's another big conspiracy theory.
I had talked about this in 2019.
An oil refinery exploded at 4 a.m. in PA.
Several hours later, Donald Trump announced that he was canceling strikes on Iran.
At the time, I speculated: could this have been a cyber attack?
And Donald Trump pulled back on the attack to avoid an escalation of war between Iran and the United States.
I don't know.
Interestingly, yesterday, only a few hours after Donald Trump announced postponing the attack in Iran, an oil refinery exploded.
Now, that's just some wacky speculation, right?
Except a Saudi X account posted only a few hours before the explosion that just across the street, there would be an oil refinery explosion and then deleted it.
But it's too late.
The internet is forever.
It was captured and reposted, suggesting there was foreknowledge of this explosion at the plant, which makes one wonder: was this a cyber attack?
We're going to talk about that and a whole lot more.
Joe Kent says he's willing to testify in the trial of Charlie Kirk, which is being called betrayal.
We got a lot to talk about.
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It's going to be a big one.
Joining us tonight, talk about this.
We've got Carolyn Wren.
Nuclear Miscalculation Risks 00:16:01
caroline wren
Hello.
Thank you for having me.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
caroline wren
I am born and raised in Austin, Texas.
Moved up to D.C., was there for about 15 years working for friends of the show, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, APAC, other friends.
tim pool
Oh, he nodded at APAC.
caroline wren
Until I had a hard pivot when Donald Trump came out of the elevator, and now I'm firmly in the America First Camp, and I run a lot of different campaigns actually against my old friends within the Republican Moore establishment.
Wing of the party.
tim pool
I'm sure they're happy now.
caroline wren
Well, I think they probably are happy now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, right on.
It's great to have you.
Should be interesting.
Of course, Elad is here, but everybody knows you.
We're not doing the introductions the way we used to because it's just everybody knows who Ella is.
elad eliahu
A lot of Liyahu, Tim Cast News, White House correspondent.
Happy to be here.
Tate, what's up?
tim pool
Tate Brown is here, of course.
tate brown
We got to bring up the speed.
We're not doing intros anymore.
tim pool
Not for the regulars.
elad eliahu
Oh, am I introducing myself now?
tim pool
I've never introduced myself ever on this show.
I've never said, hi, I'm Tim Pua.
tate brown
I've never exactly.
So if he doesn't, that's we're.
tim pool
I think I might have done it one time to be like, should I introduce myself?
elad eliahu
Were we becoming too formal of a news show with the introductions?
tim pool
No, it's yet.
It's like everybody knows who you are.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, the guest needs an intro, but everybody else is like confidence in our catchphrases.
elad eliahu
We're getting kind of late.
tate brown
Carter's here.
carter banks
Yeah, it's starting to sound too rehearsed.
So they're like, you know, we don't like it.
tim pool
Not just that, but it's like, we get it.
We know who Tate is.
You know what I mean?
And like Ian's going to say something like graphene.
tate brown
Catchphrase.
elad eliahu
Did that doc ever drop it?
tim pool
Never mind.
tate brown
You know what game dropped?
elad eliahu
The graphene documentary?
tim pool
Yeah, didn't it?
carter banks
I think it's graphene.
I think Kevin is out of the grand route.
tim pool
Okay, you see, here's where we're dealing with.
My friends, and talk about what's going on.
We got this from Politico.
Pentagon prepares to send another 3,000 troops to the Middle East.
The decision to move the Army's 82nd Airborne Division to the region heightens the possibility U.S. troops will enter Iran.
No decisions have been made for troops into the country, according to defense officials who confirmed the planned deployment.
But the buildup of troops is a drastic escalation.
The 82nd has a quick reaction force that can deploy around the world within 18 hours, but it's not clear if that division will head to the region.
The troops increase comes a month into U.S. military airstrikes against Iranian military forces and infrastructure.
And amid spiraling gas prices, Iranian officials block access to the Strait of Hormuz, through which about a fifth of the world's oil passes.
U.S. Central Command, which oversees the effort, said Tuesday that U.S. aircraft and missile attacks have destroyed more than 9,000 military targets inside Iran since the attacks started February 28th.
Military officials have said the strikes targeted around missile launchers, Navy, and defense industrial base.
Strikes have also killed dozens of the regime's leadership.
The U.S. already has 50,000 troops in the region.
The increase suggests potential for more involvement, such as taking control of the strait by force.
So it is being speculated heavily that we are going to occupy Karg Island, a small island in the Gulf where Iran does most of its oil distribution.
Trump keeps saying things are getting better.
We destroyed them.
They're all but defeated.
This is the end.
We're having peace talks, but everything we're seeing from the military is suggesting an escalation.
So I actually want to throw it to Elad first because you're, I mean, you've been like dancing on the table, tap dancing, excited with joy about what's going on.
What do you think is happening?
Do you think Trump is nearing peace or do you think we are going to go in and just full-scale war?
elad eliahu
So a few things.
So far, I believe the war is going about as well as it could be, all things considered.
Minimal amount of casualties.
Of course, I think there are like roughly under 20.
Of course, every death of an American service member is extremely unfortunate, but these are the most patriotic among us.
And we've all but decimated the Iranian army and navy.
I think there will be issues, though, if we do reach the point where we do have a land invasion.
Obviously, that would raise the casualties by a ton.
And I don't know if the Americans could stomach hundreds of casualties.
However, this does seem to be a choke point.
Karg Island, where a lot of this oil is distributed from Iran.
It's sort of the choke point for the economy of the Iranians.
And holding the island would leave a lot of our American patriots and our American troops at risk from counterattacks more easily.
I think he wants to leave all his options open, the president.
tim pool
Do you think we are going to go in?
Do you think it is escalating, or do you think Trump is winding things down?
elad eliahu
I think the president wants to leave all of his options open.
tim pool
I'm going to ask you what the president is going to.
I'm asking you if you think we are winding things down, or do you think we're escalating?
elad eliahu
We're escalating.
We're ramping things up.
The president could not leave this regime in power moving forward.
The current Ayatollah, his entire family was killed by the president.
tim pool
I think his current Ayatollah is actually dead, too.
elad eliahu
Yeah, well, if he's not dead, he'd have a lot of reason to try to over to avenge his father, of course.
So I don't think we could moderate this current regime.
And I think the president knows that.
So I think if we leave these guys in power, they'd probably race to the bomb.
And I think that's what the president's mindset on this issue is at this point now.
We've done way too much damage to not take the regime out.
tim pool
Is this the most you've ever supported Donald Trump?
elad eliahu
Look, I knew the president was not going to allow this regime to get a nuclear weapon because he's been crystal clear on this issue for decades.
I know a lot of people like to project their politics onto the president and pretend that the president is flipping a new script all of a sudden, but he's actually been extremely consistent when it comes to this issue about Iran not being able to get a nuclear weapon.
And actually, I saw Michael Tracy actually quote this, the president talking about this 20 some odd years ago, saying how he would take Karg Island if it came down to it, if push came to shove.
So I don't know.
You must be a little bit conflicted.
It sounds like you worked for a lot of neocons in the past and now have kind of, I don't know, would be too supportive of an act like this.
It seems like John McCain's wet dream.
Maybe you would know a little bit more about that than I would.
caroline wren
Yeah, I'm conflicted on it, especially since I spent so much time working for, I feel like, that wing of the party.
And then I left it in like a kind of public breakup.
I did a lot of interviews about it.
And now I feel like I'm right back in it.
And I am very nervous about this.
Well, I didn't want any more foreign intervention.
I still don't fully understand what the purpose is of why we are there.
Also, Iran is an extraordinarily complicated country.
It's 90 million people.
You have 90 different religious factions.
And also, they don't care about human life.
So when you say that, like, if we take Karg Island, and yes, it'll hurt their economy, but like the Iranian regime doesn't give a shit about their economy.
Like, they can let their people starve.
And all they have to do to win the war is just outlast us.
And so we've seen this before when Donald Rumsfeld went on TV and told us that we were going to be going to Iraq for two days and then it was two weeks and then it was two months and Rumsfeld went out there and it's the exact same thing now.
They're telling us two days, then two weeks, then two months, then it's two years and then it's 20 years.
And so having said all that, I'm praying and hoping for the best.
And I do think President Trump is a wonderful commander-in-chief and a great leader.
And I do think it's preposterous that like Netanyahu can just walk in and tell President Trump to go do something and he would do it.
Trump is famous for bringing in a lot of different opinions, letting people duke it out, and then making a decision.
So I, you know, if there's, if there is an off-ramp at this point, I would love to see it.
But I don't see how there is an off-ramp.
I think that now is a good time to buy Raytheon or Palantir.
tate brown
Yeah, I think you hit it on the head.
I mean, that is kind of, I think it's almost maybe a miscalculation.
I don't know if it's a miscalculation.
I think it's consistent with the Don Rowe doctrine, which is, again, when you're negotiating with these countries, you assume they're all self-interested.
They're all driven by economic, you know, economic gain, these sorts of things.
And that's worked very well thus far through both Trump administrations.
That's kind of the miscalculation, I think, with Iran, to your point.
They're driven by things that are sort of detached from like tangible assets, right?
We're talking like oil, energy, economics by and large.
Like they're driven by fanaticism.
I think that is the point that these really, like these Iranian hawks are making.
That's correct, is they are driven by fanaticism.
That's an argument against getting into a prolonged war with them because again, like you said, Iran, victory for them is just surviving.
caroline wren
Yeah, they got nothing but time.
tim pool
We need to introduce only fans to Iran.
tate brown
Yeah, I think it's worthwhile.
tim pool
Maybe then they'll be so distracted and degenerate that they'll just stop caring about anything other than getting money and selling oil.
elad eliahu
Look, maybe I'm confused, but I think there is a serious threat from the Iranians.
I think there's credible evidence that they've had assassination attempts against the president.
They chant death to America and death to Israel.
There's a lot of evidence of them interested in acquiring a nuclear weapon or at least getting on the precipice of it.
They do fund proxies and do have the death of American service members on their hands.
But I don't know.
I'm sure you're not going to be able to do it.
tim pool
Let me ask you a lot.
Let me ask you a question on the first point that you made.
So was Trump wrong after the 12-day war when he said they set him back 10 years on the nuclear program?
elad eliahu
Yeah, he was wrong.
So that was look, I'm not here to defend every single thing.
tim pool
I'm not suggesting you are.
I'm just saying like the 12-day war was a failure.
And, you know, the expectation was they were going to go in, stop, and didn't work.
And now here we are.
elad eliahu
I think the 12-day war was a failure if the goal was to completely decimate their nuclear.
tim pool
They escaped with the material.
There's photos of the trucks.
elad eliahu
But in a certain aspect, the 12-day war set us up for this war because Israel was able to take out most of Iran's air defenses.
So it set the situation up such that we could advantageously have this opportunistic war right now.
And I mean, I said this at the top of the show.
All things considered, I think this is a good use of American power.
And fortunately, the casualties have been extremely low.
And I hope they continue to be.
I think we have a kill-death ratio of something like one to 100.
Still, obviously, all these deaths are too much.
But I went to a Pentagon briefing with Secretary Hegseth the other day where he said he went to the dignified transfer for a couple of soldiers that were killed.
And the families told him to finish the job and not let his death and these service members' death be in vain.
So just, you know, that's where my mindset's at.
I know you guys also represent a wing of the party, an emerging wing.
It's hard to say what exactly is going on, though, because according to many of these polls, people, Republicans, at least, are trusting the president's plan and are letting him cook.
It seems that you guys aren't.
tim pool
That's true, but he needs independent voters, and the Republicans need independent voters if they want to win in November.
And this message that keeps going out, like, well, Republicans are behind Trump.
It's like, congratulations.
We always knew that.
Democrats have always been opposed.
Republicans always support.
It's the very thin middle that you need to convince, and they are not being convinced.
Now, you can call it whatever you want.
I honestly believe a good portion of these quote-unquote podcaster personalities would say whatever the advertiser dollars direct them to.
And I'm not going to call it anybody, but I'm not talking about Tucker Carlson.
I don't know what his deal is or what he believes or why he's doing what he's doing.
A lot of people have accusations, but he's got something going on.
Like, I mean, and I don't mean negatively.
I mean, like, whatever it is he's doing, he's doing.
But there are certain personalities that have no business in politics that I guarantee you, if you went to them with like a $10 million deal and said, just, you know, don't be mean to the president, support him, they'd say yes.
They'd say, okay, in two seconds.
Because these guys, these middle door guys, don't know anything about the region or politics or otherwise.
I'm not saying they're right or wrong.
I'm saying when someone who doesn't know where Iran is tells me what they think about this war, I question their motivations.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, I mean, I'm not tuning into like the Theo Vaughn show for like a nuanced take on geopolitics, but like it is worthwhile.
Like, I think the useful polling that we would need to see is what did first-time Trump voters, what do they think about the war?
I think that would give you an indication of like the status of the coalition.
Because, you know, everyone's declaring that the 2024 coalition is dead, et cetera, et cetera.
And you do see polling like, within MAGA, it has 100% support.
It's like, yeah, because that's what it selects for.
It selects for people that are in favor of decisions Trump makes.
So again, if you're against the Iran war, then you're probably not considered part of the MAGA polling group anymore.
And that's when you would need to go back and look at that initial batch of 2024 Trump voters, really determine how popular is this war.
And then again, it's like, I think even President Trump is starting to realize that this might have been a miscalculation you're seeing on his truth social feed.
It's kind of like he's a little upset.
It's kind of clear.
He's saying, we're just going to bomb all their energy fields.
And then he'll come back around and say, Israel shouldn't have done that.
That was a mistake.
Like, I think he's starting to realize that we might have undercalculated what's going on here.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from task and purpose.
Army raises enlistment age to 42, removes waiver from marijuana possession.
Hey, that last one, that's for you, Gen Z.
So, they want to make sure they can get as many people as possible in.
And so, I can imagine they're having a meeting.
Like, what do we do?
Well, why don't we allow older people to join?
Hey, look, 40 is the new, you know, was it 40 is the new 30, right?
These guys can still fight.
And they're like, What about young people?
Well, why can't we recruit young people?
They smoke too much weed.
Let them in anyway.
So, it looks like when you get a story like this and they're saying they want to increase enlistment, and so they're changing the rules instead of offering incentives, it sounds like they're really trying to get a lot of people in right now.
And of course, there have been concerns.
At least I would argue they may be fake, but the left liberal media has been reporting fears of a potential military draft over this conflict.
What people need to understand about Iran: 90 plus million people.
This is not Afghanistan.
If you think it was hard, if you know that it was hard enough for the U.S. to deal with goat herders with AK-47s in a desert country, imagine what it's going to be like going to a mountainous, 90-million-person strong country.
They can take out military targets, but you do not get regime change with 90 million people without occupying that country by force.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, this is why I think the Trump administration, I don't actually expect that.
tim pool
Elod, how old are you?
tate brown
Ramp it up.
elad eliahu
I'm 32.
tim pool
You are well within the age for enlistment.
elad eliahu
And you're coming with me too, Bowdy.
tim pool
Not me.
They won't let me in.
elad eliahu
You have two more years.
tim pool
No, I'm high net worth.
They won't let me.
elad eliahu
Oh, so make me high net worth.
tim pool
What do you mean, Elad?
You like this?
elad eliahu
We're going on a quick trip.
tim pool
Don't you want to go?
elad eliahu
The state are going to eat a lot of gourmet sabzi, and that's the only Iranian fighter.
tim pool
Is that what they eat?
I don't eat anything.
elad eliahu
Gormy Sabzi yet.
tim pool
But wouldn't you want to go there and contribute to the war effort?
elad eliahu
Yeah.
tim pool
Like if Trump said, like, he was like, Elad, I want you to go in and help us win.
elad eliahu
Oh, if the president asked me, I definitely would.
tim pool
What if he hands you a gun and is like, you're on the front line first in?
Boats landing tomorrow.
elad eliahu
If I was fully trained for it, then if that's what my fate is.
Look, the people who sign up to be in the army are genuinely the most patriotic among us.
I don't think we should like treat them as children, too.
They know what they're signing up for.
tim pool
I'm asking you.
I'm saying like, and I don't have that dog in it.
It's not a joke, right?
I'm not being silly.
I'm saying, let's say we've stretched our physical force to its limit, and the president says we need any able-bodied man who fits this category, whether you're trained or otherwise.
We'll give you basic training, but we need you.
Would you say yes?
unidentified
Yes.
elad eliahu
I think there should be a draft.
I think there should be national service.
I think that's one of the things we should actually copy from Israel.
I think everybody should have skin in the game in our society.
And I think it would help with actually our assimilation process.
tim pool
But specifically go on the ground in Iran.
elad eliahu
To be part of the most powerful military that's ever existed.
And to know that if anything happened to me, the KD would be 1 to 100.
No, there's a price on my head.
There's a big price on my head.
For every American service member who is hurt in Iran, there is 100 plus Iranians paying the price for that.
And these are patriots among us.
These are the bravest among us.
We should honor them and thank them, you know, for allowing us to live this free lifestyle.
tim pool
I'm just imagining.
elad eliahu
We live on the backs of patriots, of dead patriots.
Our freedom exists on the back of brave men who are willing to fight.
tim pool
That's right.
I'm just imagining, you know, it's like the boat crashes on the shores of Iran and then like Elad runs out and he looks to his left and there's Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham's like, I can't believe I'm fighting alongside you, Elad.
Patriots Among Us 00:13:50
tim pool
And he was like, what about fighting alongside a friend?
And they go like this and then they run in together.
tate brown
Well, because that reminds me of Ukraine.
You had the Reddit waffen get deployed.
And they kept like posting like just like with all the metadata in there and they would just get their site blown up all the land.
elad eliahu
I don't want to romanticize war, but isn't there something so romantic about, you know, you and the boys fighting against the ops and like, Tate, if you got hurt, shot in the arm and I'm holding you in my arms and saying no and then like avenging your injury.
unidentified
Yeah.
No.
No.
elad eliahu
I don't mean to fetishize that, but it's like there's something so there's just like awful about, I don't mean to even use that sort of rhetoric.
I'm stuck on your opponents.
tate brown
But there's still like 30 to 40 countries.
If my group chat could get together that we would invade before Iran, India comes to mind.
tim pool
Oh, invade India?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
Dude, we'd be storming the shores.
troy w in unknown
I hope because of the call centers.
tate brown
Because of the call centers, because of the smell.
We would be all in.
A D-Day would look like a birthday party, quite frankly.
If I were to land it on Goa or something.
tim pool
I would invade Antarctica just to get over the ice wall to see what's on the other side.
tate brown
That seems like a guaranteed failed mission, though.
tim pool
No, man, there's nobody down there.
tate brown
Well, I guess the Koreans, they'd see you and be like, he's one of us.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
tim pool
The Koreans?
Oh, that's right.
Because people don't know this, but outside the ice wall, just all Koreans.
There's like 43 billion Koreans.
unidentified
He is home.
tim pool
You didn't know this.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So, like, Earth is.
caroline wren
43 billion.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
No.
Like, so Earth is not flat.
It's round, right?
But what we know as the world is actually a small portion of the planet surrounded by an ice wall where the 43 billion Koreans keep us in as slaves.
tate brown
It's true.
tim pool
That's the only true conspiracy theory.
tate brown
I don't know if there won't be a single community note.
tim pool
I think if we zoom out, Elon's going to be like, maybe.
tate brown
I can't even do my Elon right now.
I got to lock in for that.
unidentified
The ice wall.
tate brown
I need some weed.
And then I can still get to.
tim pool
I would invade Cuba.
tate brown
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I think that's right there.
tim pool
But Hassan beat us to it.
tate brown
There's no hard rock cafe there.
That makes me mad.
tim pool
I just love the idea of Hassan eating a really nice meal at a five-star restaurant and there's like a bunch of starving kids outside like shivering.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But they wouldn't be shivering because it's Cuba, but you know, remember when they imagine they are anyway.
tate brown
And like they're doing the thing where they're like literally throwing food out.
Remember how mad they got at Trump for like shooting the toilet paper and was it Puerto Rico?
tim pool
Yeah, that was hilarious.
tate brown
Yeah, and that was like awesome.
And he was still doing it and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Get them throwing like setbacks.
I was like, whoa.
I was like, James Hardy.
tim pool
He did a 360 dunk with the toilet paper.
Yeah, just some little kid caught it.
tate brown
On Bad Bunny's head, and that's when he's like, I'm going to become a libtard when I grow up because of this.
tim pool
That's right.
tate brown
Yeah, that's Laura.
elad eliahu
To come full circle for a second, back to this story.
I think this was on the list of like three different things to increase military recruitment.
And like that was way overdue.
Of course, expanding the age range, but also like this waiver for marijuana is very overdue.
I think there's a lot of people who could serve despite having minor possession convictions.
I think there was also one other thing and that's the grooming standards.
As I understand, like there's a strict grooming standard in the military and black people deal with this differently than other people because their beards grow in differently and it's very curly and like it causes.
tim pool
Shaving causes ingrown hairs and stuff like that.
elad eliahu
Something like that.
And it's actually a serious issue where it affects the amount of black people that could be recruited.
So these are big changes that could, you know, or.
tim pool
Oh, I know tons of black people that don't have beards.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't understand this.
elad eliahu
I couldn't tell you.
tate brown
I think they just want beards.
elad eliahu
I think they look cool with their beards.
caroline wren
I was at a meeting in the Pentagon recently and this marijuana thing came up because they were actually talking about the context of how Trump has been talking about how he wants more shipmaking in the United States.
But like to build ships, there's not a labor force here in the United States.
And even to build out the ports to have to do it.
They were struggling with it.
And really it came up with me like the biggest problem was marijuana possession or use.
If you like when you become a contractor for the Department of War, even if it's just to build this facility or to enlist, you have to say that you've never smoked marijuana before.
And so that takes out almost all of the workers that you would have to do like some construction jobs like this.
And so there was really no way to proceed with building these huge new bases and things Trump wants to do without removing that waiver.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I don't mean to sound like a pothead, but that seems like an unex like an unreasonably high bar to pass for some of these gigs.
unidentified
High bar to pass.
elad eliahu
Damn.
tim pool
Don't smoke weed.
elad eliahu
Don't, I mean, look, we're legalizing weed, so doesn't it seem like there's some contradictions here?
tim pool
I think it's more so just we want to get as many people as possible to sign up and we're going to remove the restrictions.
I wouldn't be surprised if like, look, if we actually did invade Iran and we were in full-scale war with 90 million people, I know that's not the entire size of their army or whatever.
Yo, they'd be like, send in the crackheads.
Meth is next.
tate brown
That's what I'm saying.
If you tell them there's fentanyl on the nuclear reactors, get them, and then drop all the homeless in, this war would be wrapped up like that.
tim pool
No, what you do is you fly over Iran with all of the addicts, and then you give one like, you know, carrier with a bunch of crackheads, one with a bunch of meth heads, one with a bunch of heroin addicts.
And then what you do is, as they're all like sitting there, like freaking out, you walk up to like, you know, they open the hatch or whatever, and then he dangles a bunch of baggies and says, you guys want this?
And he chucks it out, and they all run full speed and just jump out to go get it.
tate brown
There wouldn't be a single copper wire left in Iran after war.
We're just yanking them out.
caroline wren
I think Peyote's making a round.
tim pool
Peyote?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Really?
caroline wren
Yeah, so that could be an incentive for some folks.
tim pool
Those people are tripping.
unidentified
Wow.
tate brown
There's a lot of, yeah, we could send a lot of groups over there.
It'd be really exciting.
The Somalis.
They're here.
We should use them.
tim pool
So we have pallets.
We have grant forms for hospice and daycare centers.
And then we kick it off the back of the plane and be like, there it goes.
And they all jump off.
tate brown
Oh, man.
It's a shame we took up their navy because we could take their ships.
Yeah, we could have had the Iranian ships if we sent the Somalis.
tim pool
Oh, I think you meant the Somali Navy.
I'm like, you mean like guys on speedboats without the ship?
tate brown
That's what I think because we sunk all the Iranian boats.
We could have just sent the Somalis and we could have captured the boats and then sold them.
Or maybe the homeless captured.
I don't know.
We had some options here.
caroline wren
I'd say if they were putting mines in the strait, I was like, why don't we just capture some of these Iranian ships and just make them go first?
unidentified
Yeah.
caroline wren
You'll find out what the mines are there real fast.
Yeah, why are we seeking it?
elad eliahu
Because if you sink any boats in the straight, then it's too shallow and it will potentially mess up the...
tate brown
Well, that's why we have these car...
That's why we use Carg in the first place is because the coastline is too shallow.
And so the Carg is the only place that the tankers can actually get into.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
We've got this from WKDZ Radio.
New search data shows surge in draft anxiety among immigrants following policy shift.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
That's right.
A rise in online searches related to U.S. military drafts is revealing growing anxiety among immigrants and non-citizens following recent changes to federal law that automate selective service registration.
A new report from Mendoza Immigration Law found that Google search activity in March of 26 spiked dramatically, with some searches increasing by as much as 5,000%.
The data suggested growing concern over how personal information collected through draft registration could be shared across federal agencies.
If Joe Biden brought in 20 million illegal immigrants and the play was to send them all to Iran, I ain't even mad.
tate brown
Patriot, quite frankly.
tim pool
Like I was saying, as John Bolton would say, by this time next year, we'll be eating Baleeda and Plantanos, Plantanos in Tehran.
carter banks
It's like 5D churches.
tate brown
We need more cannon fodder.
elad eliahu
I don't even know what that is.
tate brown
Brilliant.
tim pool
It's like the Baleeta is, I don't know, say it properly.
It's a Honduran burrito, I guess, like a quesadilla or something.
And then Plantanos.
You don't know Plantanos?
elad eliahu
Plantains?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
But we call them Plantanos.
elad eliahu
We don't eat it.
tate brown
They're just small.
elad eliahu
Not in West Virginia.
We don't.
tim pool
Actually, they do.
When you go to the restaurant, it says Plantanos on the menu.
tate brown
Yeah, can I get the small name?
elad eliahu
Do you have illegal names, please?
unidentified
That's all.
tim pool
No, no, bro.
unidentified
Is that a joke?
tim pool
Is that a joke?
Do you have any idea?
Tate, that is embarrassing.
I am embarrassed for you.
tate brown
Yeah, can I get the shriveled up, nasty bananas?
tim pool
They fry them in butter.
They fry them and caramelize them in butter and then give you creme frache.
tate brown
And imagine if it was a banana.
It'd be even better.
When it said it's like the shriveled up, I'm like, no, you're wrong.
tim pool
See, when you caramelize the plantains, they are sweet and delicious, but bananas would melt and break apart.
So, anyway, the point is: could you imagine if like the Israelis, the Israelis finally go into Iran to like finalize the occupation after the country's been conquered?
And when they get to Iran, it's just basically Honduras.
There's like just burrito and taquitos everywhere, and everyone's speaking Spanish.
caroline wren
Well, you're connecting some dots for me because if this was a long game by Biden here, then lifting the marijuana restrictions would make sense for Hunter to be deployed.
If this is a Biden family operation here, yeah, Hunter goes.
tim pool
Well, but they didn't lift the crack, so he's still out.
carter banks
Not yet.
elad eliahu
Did we ever find out whose bag that was in the White House?
caroline wren
Hunters.
Robert on the patio, he's like sniffing around, goes and turns around.
tate brown
It's almost like that's kind of encouraging if the White House staff is doing Coke.
That means they're getting everything done.
caroline wren
But it was outside the situation room.
So why Hunter was in there is a greater question that we have not gotten answered.
tim pool
So they've already, there was already a couple legislators a few years ago that were trying to get a bill passed to grant citizenship to illegal immigrants if they serve in the military.
I would not be surprised if a big reason that Biden was like, bring as many as possible in, is because they're going to go to them and say, you go fight for us, and when you come back, you're a citizen, knowing that a lot of them ain't coming back, if any at all.
elad eliahu
Would you be open to something like that?
An illegal if they served our country patriotically over, I don't know, let's say the course of four years, then they could have like a pathway to citizenship.
tate brown
They have the French Foreign Legion, and you aren't actually given a pathway to citizenship unless you get hurt or you did it for like five years.
tim pool
Yeah, I think it would have to be an extended service, like eight years, not a single, you know, four-year.
So, and uh, and you got to consider that there, there's, there's, there's a darkness to this question because what you're basically saying is most of them aren't coming back.
If we said we got 10 million males of fighting age, as everyone was pointing out, and we're going to just drop you in the country and just take it over, like we got narco gangs.
You know, why is it that Joe Biden wants so many rapists and murderers?
I know, no, no, we need to keep them because we're going to drop them in Iran and let them just do their thing.
It's kind of like if you took a cat and threw it into a like a rabbit pen and just like watched what happened, yeah, that cat would go nuts.
It'd just be mauling everybody, and the rabbits would be freaking out.
Now, honestly, the rabbits might actually kill the cat, but 10 cats.
So, the challenge there is some bad people might come back.
I get it.
But while I would like to say yes, understanding that what you're saying is, you know, six million are probably going to die.
If we actually, like, this is a country of 90 million people.
tate brown
And if you do, like, a foreign legion, you also have this problem.
The French Foreign Legion had this problem is since they were, you know, they're having activities in Western Africa, a lot of Western Africans would go and join the French Foreign Legion and then come back and start settling scores right away.
You just have, it's like, where did Emmanuel go?
And he's like burning down like a rival tribes village with a French double Asian problem.
Yeah, we'd probably have like a similar issue with like these guys just going back to like the Middle East and just settling scores.
tim pool
I got to be honest, I mean, I don't understand why this isn't like a standard military tactic.
It seems really obvious.
tate brown
Just getting a bunch of like rapists and deployment.
tim pool
Well, they're not all rapists.
They're just guys from Honduras of low skill.
And it's just like 50%.
We're going to give you a good coming for ourselves.
elad eliahu
Even our soldiers' jobs aren't safe from illegal.
tate brown
I know, dude, H1 being the soldiers.
elad eliahu
There's soldiers now, too, bro.
Americans can't do anything.
There are no true.
tim pool
Hold on.
What is the argument against this?
Do we send our soldiers to go fight?
Or what if we could just be like citizen titlements?
caroline wren
We can't afford it.
So we can go serve in the military in four or six years, but we can't even afford to go to the bottom.
tim pool
I never said that.
I never said giving them entitlements.
caroline wren
They give them citizenship, though.
When you let them come back, you give them citizenship.
unidentified
The ones who come back.
caroline wren
They're not paying into Social Security or taxes.
tim pool
How many are going to make it back?
unidentified
That's the point of the question.
caroline wren
That's the argument is by Greenland because then they go and fight, and then you give them at the end of the war, they get a plot of land in Greenland, and they get to live in the United States.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
No, no, we give them Canada.
caroline wren
Yeah, they can run the data centers.
One massive data center.
tim pool
To be honest, the data centers should be in colder regions.
unidentified
Yeah.
caroline wren
Iceland is starting to build some too because they've got geothermal, which is actually a great source to use energy instead of taking it from other things we're using, geothermal.
tim pool
And it's cold, so one of the data centers needs a lot of water to cool.
But no, my point is most of the people ain't coming back.
Like, if you set them on the ground in Iran for a full-scale invasion, they're not coming back.
elad eliahu
Well, look, we had roughly 3,000 casualties in Iraq.
tim pool
Or wait, wait, you just go back on your word and leave them there.
elad eliahu
No, we give them the plot of land in Iran.
tate brown
Yeah.
carter banks
40 acres and take it over.
And then they get it.
tim pool
What kind of, they don't have camels?
elad eliahu
I think they probably do.
tim pool
Probably do.
unidentified
Something.
tim pool
Why not?
unidentified
You know?
elad eliahu
Yeah, it's like a south road, I feel like, yeah, cross through Central Asia.
tim pool
40 acres and a camel.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
On the side of a mountain.
tim pool
Where most of Iran is.
tate brown
I like it.
unidentified
Like that?
tate brown
I like it.
elad eliahu
Do you want your own acre in Iran?
tim pool
40 and a camel.
tate brown
It's not a bad idea, you know.
tim pool
And then when we take over Canada, we get 40 acres and a moose.
tate brown
Yeah.
caroline wren
Yep.
elad eliahu
That might be nicer in some parts of Iran than some of them.
caroline wren
Well, there's the big real estate development happening in Gaza, too.
So if they're a really good fighter, maybe you get one of those new beaches.
elad eliahu
Oh, I'm buying all of Gaza.
I'm buying all the labels.
tim pool
Ara-Gaza.
elad eliahu
All of Gaza.
I will buy it.
caroline wren
That's like a purple heart situation.
unidentified
Yeah.
caroline wren
If you kill 200 Iranians and you get a place in Gaza or something.
tate brown
It'd be like the arcade where everyone, they give you a ticket and then you go to the counter and you can exchange for your plot of land or you can get a penthouse in Gaza City.
You get like 200 kills.
tim pool
Yep.
tate brown
Beautiful thing when you really think about it.
And no one speaks English.
Illegal Immigrant Food Debate 00:06:35
tate brown
So the friendly fire rates through the roof.
These guys are just mowing each other down because no one's speaking the same language.
They're talking about plantains.
Tim's like man splaning plantain plantain splanting plantain stuff.
elad eliahu
When you caramelize them.
tate brown
Yeah, I'm like, sorry, what am I?
elad eliahu
They turn into sweet treats.
tate brown
All I see is gross shriveled up bananas.
caroline wren
That's all Catholic.
tate brown
Would it faint anyone?
tim pool
You know, I mean, like, you're just showing your white boy ignorance here, insulting the delicious.
tate brown
Being American.
tim pool
Bro, have you never had mango?
elad eliahu
Mango, mango.
tim pool
Oh, my God, dude.
tate brown
Mango?
tim pool
You guys are just fried cheese.
This is Caribbean, bro.
This is West.
elad eliahu
South is the border.
unidentified
I go to vacation.
tate brown
I go to vacation areas.
tim pool
European colonizers.
tate brown
I eat hard rockets.
tim pool
They came in and they massacred the natives, took their food and fried it up.
Mangu.
You take boiled mashed plantains, you fry salami, and you fry cheese and you put it on top with pickled onions.
tate brown
This is just illegal immigrant food.
I'm not eating this.
tim pool
No way, dude.
It's like the most delicious.
elad eliahu
Do they make it on the street, too?
tim pool
No, man.
They make it in restaurants.
I went to a, it's like Dominican.
I went to, I think it was a Dominican restaurant, and it's my favorite breakfast.
When I used to work at Vice, I would always go for breakfast at this like, that's right.
The three hits.
So amazing.
And that's what I get for breakfast.
Fried cheese, fried salami, boiled and mashed plantains, and I'd be like extra pickled onions.
And this funny thing happened where there's like the Hispanic guy working around the counter.
He was like, man, he's like, white people love yellow rice.
And I was like, oh, there was like a black dude.
He was there and he was talking to the Hispanic guy.
And then he said, don't white people love yellow rice?
And then the guy working there was like, yeah, man, they do.
And I kid you not.
This is in Williamsburg.
Referee says it.
A white dude walks in, hipster, flannel and glasses, and like, you know, slicked back hair.
And he walks up and goes, can I just get an order of yellow rice?
And then we all started busting out laughing.
I didn't even know why.
And I was like, damn.
tate brown
That's me.
That's me.
When I go to like Mexican restaurants, I'm getting like the chicken fingers, like a burger.
Not eating the candies.
Oh, yeah.
What is this?
It's fried corn with cheese and beans.
That's every meal you can order in a Mexican restaurant is some variation of corn, beans, and it's like someone cheated up and vomited.
That's what it's like, everything at one.
Sometimes they deep fry it.
Sometimes they deep fry it.
tim pool
Have you ever had a chimichanga?
tate brown
Yeah, it's a deep-fried version of beans, cheese, and deep-fried burrito, bro.
tim pool
You stuff that thing with cheese, you deep-fry it.
tate brown
Heaven.
Heaven forbid I want something like made from flour.
tim pool
Have you ever had it is?
What are you talking about?
A chimichanka is a flour tortilla deep fry.
No, it's not.
tate brown
You can't tell.
unidentified
It's all deep.
tim pool
Yes, you can.
What are you talking about?
And it's burritos or flour tortillas.
Have you ever had a fried ice cream?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Oh, my God.
tate brown
Why would you fry your ice cream?
What is this?
We can't.
This is why we can't let these people in the country.
tim pool
No way, dude.
You've had fried ice cream, right?
caroline wren
I don't think I've had fried ice cream.
elad eliahu
I haven't had fried ice cream.
tim pool
They take a ball of ice cream, they dip it in batter, and then deep fry it real quick.
It's a deep, and then it's not, the inside's still cold, but they fry the outside real quick.
It is the most delicious.
elad eliahu
It's a bit too decadent.
tim pool
And you put chocolate and caramel sauce and whipped cream and a little cherry on top.
You know what really pisses me off?
Is these cheapo places now?
What they do is they roll a ball of ice cream in corn flakes.
And I'm like, no, That's just an offense to my country.
caroline wren
I'm getting married next weekend, and I'm doing a whistle dinner.
And I'm not a fancy person.
And so I'm just getting a taco truck.
And I've got all these guys coming.
I was like, you know what?
Let all the family come in.
They're coming to Palm Beach for like a fancy wedding.
No, no, no.
It's backyard taco truck.
tate brown
Because correction with the Mexican food, that is the one exception is the tacos do have some variation to them.
Everything else, and it's numbered.
carter banks
That's like, you know, the number tortillas and not corn.
tate brown
But it doesn't matter.
You can't tell because they're slathering it in like tomato juice and beans every single time and cheese.
It's the same like four ingredients, but the taco, they switch it up.
I respect that.
So that being said, they only need to be deported, but still, like, I respect that.
tim pool
Well, we can keep their food.
elad eliahu
That's true.
tim pool
Did you guys, do you remember that story out of, I think it was Seattle, too?
White women opened a taco shop and the activists demanded they shut it down because it was cultural appropriation.
elad eliahu
I'm glad I feel like we passed that thing.
carter banks
Sounds familiar.
elad eliahu
That era, I feel like it's a bygone era now.
tim pool
It is.
elad eliahu
I don't know if.
And it's a happier time now.
tate brown
Because it was like white people realize the dreads look.
tim pool
We gotta, you know what?
tate brown
Stop becoming a fight.
tim pool
I'm not even playing.
This was Mary's idea.
We got to open a North Korean barbecue.
tate brown
And it's brilliant.
tim pool
Not even joking.
elad eliahu
Do they do?
They don't do.
They don't eat meat there.
They can't afford it.
They just don't meet in Korea.
unidentified
Yes.
carter banks
Some do.
tim pool
They have cows, bro.
What are you talking about?
elad eliahu
No, only the richest there.
They're too poor to afford.
tim pool
No, you are wrong.
elad eliahu
On a regular basis.
tim pool
You are incorrect.
It is harder to get because they're all starving, but they eat beef.
They raise cattle.
elad eliahu
Yeah, like maybe once a month.
tate brown
The Olympians that lose, they eat them.
tim pool
So I think we actually have to do this.
I need to find someone who can open a restaurant.
It was Mary's idea.
You open a Korean barbecue, but everyone's dressed in like North Korean jumpsuits.
And then when you order like a pound of brisket, they give you a half pound.
They go, that's a pound.
And then like, when you walk up to it, we're going to do a trick with the windows where inside looks really nice, but when you walk in, it's actually dingy and gross.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Or it's actually, I don't want to, you don't want it to be gross, but it'll be like plain.
Like from the outside, we'll do, like, have you ever seen those screens?
They're see-through with like a mesh.
I don't know how they do it, but like at our cades, they have this thing where it's like, it's glass you can see through, but this is a touch screen as well.
We'll do that.
So from the outside, it looks like there's candles and a nice TV.
But then you walk in, it's just very plain.
It'll be delicious.
We'll make a good food.
North Korean barbecue.
I bet we'd be packed every day.
tate brown
Yeah, you'd have a lot of defectors.
tim pool
We would get a guy who looks like Kim Jong-un to be like the main dude at the restaurant.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah, you would have like a kitchen staff defect like the normal Korean restaurant and they get like hauled back in.
tim pool
No, what we do is every like every hour we stage an error where like the like a guy will run out from the from the back of the kitchen being like, I'm so sorry, I messed up your order.
I'm so sorry.
And then he gets dragged to the back room and you hear screaming.
carter banks
You'd also have to have like anti-American propaganda of history stories playing on screens.
tim pool
But like pictures of Trump, he's great because Kim Jon-un likes him.
caroline wren
Yeah, he likes him.
tim pool
And Dennis Rodman.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm doing this.
We got to do it because I love Korean barbecue.
It's delicious.
So, you know.
unidentified
And North.
tim pool
Let's go.
tate brown
I like it.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
Rubio's Hawkish Tweets 00:15:29
tim pool
Check this out.
This is big news yesterday.
Massive explosion at crude oil refinery, Rocks, Texas City, as residents told to shelter in place.
You may have seen the story.
We don't know the, I think they've gotten only a preliminary.
caroline wren
The sheriff came out immediately after it said it was a fire that caused an explosion in one of the engines or something.
And then they did a press conference this morning that I watched it.
tim pool
So shortly before this, Donald Trump announced he was postponing strikes on Iran.
Seven years ago, June 21st, 2019, Donald Trump came out and said he was stopping.
He was calling off an attack on Iran because the casualties would be too great and it was disproportionate to Iran had shot down a U.S. drone.
So he's like, no, no, no, we don't want to kill that many people over this.
We're not going to do it.
However, a few hours before Trump made the announcement, a refinery in PA exploded.
At the time, I speculated this could be what's called ICS sabotage or industrial control system sabotage.
That is, we know for a fact our adversaries have hacked into our industrial control systems to destroy them.
We do the exact same thing.
And it's largely viewed in cyber warfare as a mutually assured destruction moment, a Mexican standoff.
Every country's got their finger over the button that would destroy the critical infrastructure of adversarial nations.
Now, here's where it gets interesting.
This morning I speculated saying, look, I really don't know.
Probably just a coincidence, right?
Except I was unaware of, not this post, this post here from at Amuse, who tweeted, a Saudi X account posted a specific threat against the Port Arthur Motiva refinery one hour before the nearby Valero explosion in the same city.
He deleted the post and all 4,739 of his previous tweets immediately after.
This account is a Saudi X account created in April of 23, connected via Saudi Android app, posted a specific warning that Motiva Enterprises in Port Arthur, Texas, the largest U.S. refinery at up to 720,000 barrels a day, would be destroyed within a week.
The post went up about an hour before the Valero refinery explosion rocked the same city.
The user then deleted that warning.
Now, here's the thing.
The Valero facility is across the street.
It's literally, they're next to each other.
This can't be a coincidence, right?
Apparently it can be.
tate brown
I don't know.
He's Saudi.
elad eliahu
I can't.
I don't believe a thing I read on Twitter.
tim pool
This is a real tweet.
elad eliahu
No, I never.
unidentified
No, This guy did tweet this.
tim pool
This guy did tweet this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
caroline wren
He was highly online, too.
And he was clearly Saudi.
But I went through, he wiped all of his tweets, but all of his, when he tweeted at someone, you could still read it.
So I just put in his, and like, he was, I don't know if he's like a terrorist or something, but he's just always talking about foreign policy and stuff.
But he absolutely sent that one hour before.
Like there's no AI here or something.
That tweet was up.
Like there's enough screen grabs.
It was coming from all over the place.
And it is, I mean.
tate brown
But this could be one of those things, like, you know, the people that will like tweet the prediction of a sports game like a year before, but they tweet like 100 predictions.
So one of them, when it does hit, they delete all the other ones and they're like, see, possibly I got that right.
And I think he may have been seen as a tweet of different predictions.
tim pool
Tweeted a bunch of, this is going to be target, like a bunch of different targets.
tate brown
A bunch of refineries and like a tweet, the president will attack Carg Island on this day.
elad eliahu
No, but if you have every day.
caroline wren
I read 200 of his tweets last night.
unidentified
Okay.
caroline wren
And like there weren't many predictions, right?
Because I agree.
If there was just a bunch being like, he's going to hit this facility or whatever.
And you tweet 100 of them.
And you just, this was, I think, the fourth or fifth largest refinery in the United States.
720,000 barrels a day is a ton.
Like this will affect oil prices in the United States.
tate brown
No, it's real.
caroline wren
We don't know how much damage has been done, but if that facility were to go down or offline in what is already a very delicate oil market, it would be very bad.
tim pool
Well, it exploded, and that is going to cause problems.
It wasn't the Motivo, but it was right across the street from it.
And I believe there is a very strong probability that these things are ICS sabotage.
This is basic cyber warfare.
This is the first level of cyber warfare.
It's rudimentary.
I've seen demonstrations.
It is not hard to do.
I think one demonstration I saw at the Black Hat convention in Vegas, security researchers said only a couple lines of code can blow up any, any refinery, any industrial chemical plant, water processing.
They use the same pumps.
And you can do a couple of things.
You can set the pressure limit high so that the pressure keeps building up until a pipe bursts.
And then what happens?
They say a pipe burst.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's it.
tate brown
And Valero, from what I understand, people could fact check this, but this is from what I understand.
They're headquartered in San Antonio.
San Antonio is military city, USA.
There's like four bases there.
And Valero is also the primary defense contractor for like energy supply for a lot of the Air Force specifically.
So I did see people speculating that, look, if there were going to be a foreign attack on refinery of some sort, this would be the number one target.
This is like, it would be kind of obvious almost as, again, you go for Valero because Valero is a domestic oil producer and they are the defense contractor of choice.
caroline wren
They also, this refinery process is heavy crude, which is what Venezuela has, which is kind of interesting because Venezuela and Iran had some deep ties.
And so if Iran wanted to retaliate against Venezuela's new, like working with the U.S. government, then hitting this facility would make sense.
tim pool
And it seems largely like the very pro-Iran war, pro-Trump factions are the most, I don't know what the right word is, a combination of skeptical and offended.
The response that I've seen are that the most Arduino Trump supporters are like, this is ridiculous.
It never happened.
Because the implication is that we are being attacked.
And they don't want the narrative to be that Trump gets involved in this war and then the U.S. is paying the price domestically in any way.
elad eliahu
The one thing that could turn a hawk into a dove in this country is high gas prices.
The one way to drop support very quickly, even among the most hawkish of us, is for gas prices to go up by a dollar.
unidentified
We have.
elad eliahu
I think it's been like 50, 60 cents so far, the national average.
But once we start seeing 450, it's like an ad against the president.
tim pool
Isn't a buck or two worth it for having a clean conscience?
elad eliahu
You know, it's hard for Americans to see tanks.
tim pool
Hey, I asked you a question.
Isn't a buck or two worth it for having a clean conscience?
elad eliahu
Yeah, yeah, it is.
tim pool
That's a Colbert quote.
Yeah, even Colbert said that.
caroline wren
It is much more than a buck or two, though, because it's going to be a buck or two.
It's going to go to, I think, $175.
If you saw the United CEO put out a press statement yesterday that they're preparing to raise all flights by 20%.
So you start to do your flights and then also oil prices.
That involves everything from, you know, you driving to work, planes, machinery that you work.
But then on top of that is 70% of the world's fertilizer supply comes from there.
Fertilizer is food.
It will decimate our food supply.
Not only, you know, in the United States, we're a little bit more insular to that, but allies across the region, across the country, the fertilizer is like just as you could see a massive famine from this in places like India.
elad eliahu
I've become less and less concerned with our allies as it becomes more abundantly clear that they are just spineless and not willing to help us when it matters.
It seems as though they're more of a burden and drag us into things more than anything else.
I think Scott Bessett put it most succinctly, though.
He said, we're going to have to deal with 50 days of higher prices for 50 years of no Iran nukes.
So I think that's the current pitch from the administration.
I think there are things that we could do to help curb the issue of high gas prices in the United States that we should look into.
These are like gas taxes.
I think we should also...
caroline wren
Gas taxes?
elad eliahu
We have gas taxes.
We could remove the gas.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
caroline wren
I was like, how do you taxes?
elad eliahu
Yeah, and then also, I think we should do a temporary ban on oil exports.
I'm sure the gas companies will be pissed about it, but we are a net oil exporter at this point, and it could help at least domestically.
caroline wren
Well, the oil prices are set by a world Illuminati that nobody really understands or elected.
So even if we ban exports in your bed, then it'll still take, it'll affect the prices of the world.
unidentified
Sure.
elad eliahu
I mean, our allies and the Europeans can get screwed, but we wouldn't have because we are a net exporter at this point.
tate brown
I told someone gave it out.
I do believe banning exports doesn't actually help the gas prices because they're just selling at a premium to American.
elad eliahu
As I understand domestically, it should make them go down, but then the oil, the global market will still go up.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the things.
tate brown
I don't know.
As an exporter, if I saw an autist gaming out on Twitter, he was just saying, like, best case scenario is what Trump is doing, which is you ease sanctions on Iran.
elad eliahu
Something you said I wanted to follow up on that grabbed my attention.
I know that you used to be part of the, maybe we'll call it more hawkish squad and now the more so-called American First Squad.
What do you make of Trump's actions in Venezuela and how that went about?
I know you're also in Florida right now.
And as I understand, a lot of Floridians are very supportive of that kind of stuff.
What do you make of the president's stuff in action in Venezuela?
caroline wren
So I was pretty heavily involved in that.
And I went down to Venezuela not long ago, actually.
And I was initially against it, mainly because I was against the narrative that we were doing this because of drugs.
And I'm like, that doesn't make sense.
No drugs come out of Venezuela.
The drugs come out of Colombia.
Like, Venezuela doesn't need to launder drugs.
They launder oil, like, in gold.
And so I just felt like we were being, we started blowing up boats, or I called the canoes.
I'm like, I don't really understand what we're doing there.
And I think there were two different, again, this is why I love Trump.
He'll bring in different factions to come and debate, and then he chooses the course to take.
There were factions that wanted a full regime change there, which was to go in, take Maduro, and then bring in MCM, who is the opposition party leader.
I thought that would be a disaster.
And especially because Venezuela is 23 million people.
They're in our backyard.
They already had a massive migrant crisis that led to them all flowing here.
And so if you start a civil war and just take out the leader and regime in Venezuela and then just abandon it, then like you could see real famine, inflation, and then migration.
But what Trump ended up doing is he took what the real hawkish, you know, my South Floridians wanted, which was to topple the Maduro regime.
But then by putting Delcey Rodriguez in charge, he was the vice president there who I've met.
She's very smart and stuff.
And then basically he owns her now, right?
She has to do everything they said.
He was able to do it where there was no protesting in the streets, no loss of life, really.
So he kept the regime intact.
But we got the objectives we wanted, which was to neutralize what could be a threat there.
I mean, they were close to the Iranians and Russians or other.
They were selling all their oil to like pennies on the dollar to China.
And now we really get to be the ones to export all that and secure that.
And there's also a lot of other natural resources that Venezuela has.
So I think it was flawlessly executed by President Trump.
And I think he took several opinions and meshed that together.
And I was a skeptic, but I'm very, very pleased with the outcome.
elad eliahu
There is some chatter now about something similar being done in Cuba.
I know you're a little bit reluctant to support what the president is doing in Iran, but what do you think of a potential regime change or similar to Venezuela move in Cuba?
I know you have those again, those Florida connections.
You could give us a tidbit about why this matters so much in Florida and the influence of that in Washington.
caroline wren
Yeah, so I just reread Marco Rubio's book because I was trying to get inside of his head as we were going through all these Venezuela negotiations.
Yeah, his father's dying wish was for him to liberate Cuba.
I think for Rubio, this is like very, and even Venezuela, Venezuela, it was weird.
Like Maduro's security guards were all Cuban.
And so the Cuban intelligence, they were directly linked.
So I think Rubio's thought was if you, you know, take down Venezuela and cut off Cuba, that was their only financial resource and lifeline.
So for me, I'm just, I'm less interested in Cuba because they have no natural resources.
Yes, they have beautiful beaches.
It's a cool tourism spot.
But like Venezuela was a strategic, incredibly important country of like 23 million people on a coast with a ton of oil.
And more importantly, they have a lot of gas.
Cuba, you can build hotels at the end of this.
So I'm like, but for Ruby, I get that it's deeply personal.
You could topple the Cuba regime in like eight seconds.
I don't like, we went in and captured Maduro, no problem.
We took out half the Iranian regime, no problem.
We can't find Nantikon three, so that's confusing.
But I'm assuming they could find and take out the Cuban leadership.
But I think that that is on pause right now because I think it's taking a lot of our, whether or not Secretary Ruby or high-level State Department folks, their time away from like Iran is now what everyone actually should be focused on or working.
But I think Cuba will fall fairly easily.
But it's really just South Floridians.
It's about 700,000, I think.
And maybe even, actually, maybe unless that might be combined with Venezuelans who live in South Florida.
And this, I mean, that's what they really care about.
But it's been so long that any of them have gone back.
A lot of their families have passed away.
Like a lot of people grew up with their parents came over here.
Like they've never been.
And so I do think it is that loudness about liberating Cuba has really died out on a national stage.
But, you know, Pam Bondi is from Florida and got elected from this crowd.
Susie Wilde's White House Chief of Staff is from Florida.
You've got, obviously, Rubio is from Florida.
You've got Michael Waltz from Florida.
I mean, it is a like Floridian cabinet.
elad eliahu
Obviously, Mar-a-Lago also.
Yes.
caroline wren
And so this was a priority of Secretary Rubio's, and I think he'd end up doing a very good job in Venezuela.
And I hope he takes Cuba with the minimal loss of life.
tim pool
The reporting that Emily Gregory won Florida State House, District 87.
caroline wren
Was that the one where Trump's Trump endorsed John Maples?
That's a Democrat then.
tim pool
Right.
caroline wren
That's a big deal.
That's a big deal.
tim pool
So, this, but this is not a primary.
This is the actual state seat.
caroline wren
So it's a special election.
And I forget what happened where the state house member went.
So that's why these special elections can be, some people say they can be indicative of the midterms.
tim pool
Let's pull this up.
We got this from Frank Lunt.
Mar-a-Lago in this dictionary.
Trump carried it by plus 11 in 2024.
And the seat will be going up for grabs in 2026.
But Vote Hub is projecting that the Democrat has won the Florida State House District 87 general election.
This goes along with the other story that we have from Media.
Yikes, yikes, yikes, seen in poll experts stunned by Trump's massive plunge with young men, showing that Trump is down on with men 40 points on the cost of living, a 40-point swing to minus 30 from plus 10 on cost of living.
And generally seeing he's minus seven among men.
I believe that the conservatives who are telling Republicans Trump is with, like, Trump is enjoying 100% support.
You know, CNN ran that story.
The goal of this is to trick conservatives into losing.
If you are actually trying to win a war and someone came to you and said, my liege, we've won on every front.
What are your orders?
And he's like, oh, okay, I guess maintain position.
And then what's actually happening is everyone's just getting brutalized and slaughtered.
The king loses.
A week later, they storm the gates and he's like, but I thought I was winning.
Senators Vote on Filibuster 00:08:54
tim pool
We're seeing these prominent personalities all across social media being like, don't listen to these people.
Trump is enjoying massive support among Republicans.
His support for the Iran war is at 89% indeed.
And now Palm Beach just went Democrat.
caroline wren
Look, this is what they did to Biden.
They all propped him around saying he's great.
Don't listen to him and show fake polling.
And they lived in this bubble where the rest of us living out in the country were like, yeah, he's going to lose.
Like, if you go talk to your neighbor or whatever else.
And this is why these polls are so dangerous.
And I think it is a form of suppression.
And I always say that I think polls are for strippers and firemen.
They're not for predicting elections.
And the problem with these is when you go ask the MAGA question where I was on CNN of like that question, the way they phrased it was: if you were a consider yourself a MAGA voter, if that's how you would check the box when they asked you that, which like a MAGA enthusiast, that that's the wing of the party that you're in, then it was just asking, do you still of Trump's approval?
Like I'm a MAGA voter and do I approve of Trump?
Yeah, like, of course I do.
I would walk over glass for that man.
But that doesn't mean you can't disagree with certain things.
And also, I do think, especially for someone like me who works in this field, I'm very vocal when I do disagree on things because this is what I like about Trump.
He listens to a lot of people.
So it's just Lindsey Graham on the golf course with him telling him to bomb Iran all day.
And the rest of us are just clapping, saying you have 100% support.
Then, like, what are we all doing here?
What did I work eight years of my life for?
tim pool
Reuters Ipso's poll shows Trump's approval is at 36%.
Now, to be fair, that's a single poll.
But I think when you're looking at all of these polls, let's pull up the RCP average and see what the current approval aggregate is for Donald Trump.
It's currently sitting at 41.3.
Disapproval is at 46.3.
It's a minus 15 spread.
Now, a lot of these polls I don't trust.
I think that's fair for most people.
What you want to track is the polling trend.
Because if you've got, you know, ABC or CBS, what is it?
They have a minus 20, right?
You're going to say, well, they're biased.
Fox News is utilized bad.
They're biased.
So if Fox News says Trump is minus 10, you know, you can assume, well, they're biased.
They're going to skew negative.
That's baseline.
A month later, that minus 15.
If they haven't changed their methodology, Trump went down.
And when you see Trump going down across all metrics, Trump is down.
And again, I'll stress this: the proof's in the pudding.
A Democrat just won first state house Mar-a-Lago, like Palm Beach.
caroline wren
That's where Trump won that by 11 or 14 points.
That's right.
I voted this morning before I got on the 2010s.
That's only I voted at 7:15 a.m.
I went to go vote for John Maples because they were hammering.
tim pool
You said before the show started that Trump endorsed the guy in Florida, and I was like, oh, he's going to win.
I'm like, how does Trump lose Palm Beach?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
People in Palm Beach voted Democrat.
That's crazy.
Yo, Republicans are getting cooked this minute.
I don't, you know, I will be honest.
If they pass the SAVE Act, Republicans never lose again.
elad eliahu
They're definitely not passing the SAVE Act.
unidentified
I agree.
elad eliahu
0% chance on that one.
tim pool
So, do you guys, should we start just exercising now and smoking so we can get ready for prison?
elad eliahu
No, we got to get tough and in shape and be ready to be shipped off and fight for a great conversation.
tate brown
I don't know if it was discussed in the show previously, like while you guys are in Austin, but do you think there's any credibility to the idea that the Republicans don't want to pass the SAVE Act because they would just be getting primarily left and right?
Because a lot of these primary votes are propped up with probably a lot of shady tactics.
Out of John Corn and Route and Paxton.
tim pool
That's a fair point, but I view it more likely that Republicans and Democrats share the ethos of we here in Congress are smarter than you, and we know it.
And so they don't want people to vote.
Oh, I'm just imagining like Thune is sitting there with Democrats and he's going, oh, God, could you imagine if people voted for us?
And so, to be fair, I actually don't like the popular vote for the Senate, and it should be through state appointment.
But I think the actual view is we want procedural elections, not popular elections.
We want to win by the numbers of the machine, not by the whims of the people.
So if they pass the SAVE Act, you're going to actually have people making decisions.
So long as they don't, Democrats get elected by just convincing morons to vote who don't know what they're talking about.
elad eliahu
What I hate most about this is that it feels so just theatrical.
The whole time, the president knew the SAVE Act wasn't going to pass.
John Cornyn knew the SAVE Act wasn't going to pass.
Chuck Schumer knew the SAVE Act wasn't going to pass.
Everybody knew that you needed 60 votes to overcome the filibuster.
And the Republicans don't have that.
They weren't going to flip, what, eight some odd Democrats to do that.
John Cornyn was never going to get rid of the filibuster.
Senators like the filibuster because it makes them more powerful.
It makes each individual, individual senator more powerful because now if you want to reach that 60 vote threshold, you need to compromise.
And that allows more people, more senators to stuff more pork in each bill to bring back home the bacon.
So it just, it feels like a dumb waste of time.
It feels like some people were let on.
This was used as a sort of pressure release valve for some people who thought we were going to get some form of voter ID ID, but it was never going anywhere.
And, you know, I felt like I was taking crazy pills for a moment because it was like, I don't know, am I missing something here?
Do I not understand?
caroline wren
You're missing the money.
elad eliahu
The legislative process.
caroline wren
See, I always, I always, you got to trace the money on these things.
First of all, a 60-vote threshold is not in the Constitution.
So that was a rule-making decision, I think, in 1913 that then kind of sprouted.
But it is like nowhere in the Constitution, it says you have 51 votes.
So it is ridiculous.
We have 60.
60 vote threshold came along with lobbying.
Why?
Because corporations did not want, think of your big pharma company and Elizabeth Warren or someone just goes and gets to drop a bill that says that like we need to lower insulin prices and you only need 51 votes.
And all of a sudden these senators actually really do have to be on record on a vote like that.
When you do the 60 vote threshold and there's never, you know, no one's ever had more than I think 56 or 57 of one party, then you can always blame the other side or whoever else and claim this bipartisanship.
But really it's a massive corporate lobby trying to keep this filibuster to exist because these senators would not be able to survive in their jobs if they were actually taking votes that we, the people, wanted them to take on things such as an 80-20 issue like voter ID.
So then it goes to the Democrats said we will lift the filibuster.
This was to pass HR1.
That was Nancy Pelosi's big their election bill, basically the same thing, that now they're saying you can't federalize elections.
It's like, okay, you all, all of you went on record saying you would nuke the filibuster to pass your HR1, which was federalizing elections in the way you want.
Two senators didn't, and that was Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema.
They are no longer senators because of that one vote alone.
Democrats only had 52 seats, so they couldn't get it passed to nuke.
You have to actually vote and get 51 to nuke the filibuster.
And in fact, Sinema couldn't even go to like a wedding in Arizona.
She would be booed out of it.
The Democrat base was so pissed.
So the Democrat Party has made their decision.
When they take power, the filibuster is gone.
Now we, Republicans, are in power, and we have all three branches of government, and we can't get Trump's agendas passed.
And I think it's sane that we're holding on to this filibuster rule that is not even in the Constitution.
And this is an incredibly important vote for them to take.
And at minimum, I think we should take a vote on the filibuster so they won't tell us which senators are against it.
elad eliahu
You are certain that the Democrats will every single one of them.
caroline wren
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Yeah.
caroline wren
They all.
elad eliahu
Because all it would take is two or three, depending on how big of a majority they have to not, right?
Because they would need the 51 votes.
caroline wren
Yeah, you just need 51 votes to nuke it.
elad eliahu
So assume that would need, I don't know if they'd be able to get all of them.
I think John Fetterman said he wouldn't nuke the filibuster, and I'm sure there's at least.
caroline wren
Well, this would be if the Democrats take power and get enough seats and stuff.
So if they were in power right now, they would.
Schumer has already come out.
And then in fact, when Schumer, they were criticizing this talking filibuster.
The talking filibuster is different from nuking the filibusters.
The talking filibuster is basically you just talk exhaustively until that party, the other party goes home or has to leave.
And then they don't have a quorum until you can technically pass it with 51.
This was Mike Lee's idea.
And they all, everyone's like, we've never, John Thune came out and said, I've never even heard of this.
Well, I found a video from two years ago of Chuck Schumer calling to use the talking filibuster to pass HR1 when it was right after Sinema and Manchester have voted against nuking the filibuster.
So Michael E's idea was not wrong.
He was right to push for this.
And it's not nuking the filibuster, like using the talking filibuster is better.
But I think that these Republicans, like they just, they, I don't know, they don't want to do anything.
Like, and it's not that they're against voter ID or some of these senators, but they are so obsessed with the institution itself.
But now they're lying to us today and came out and said, oh, we can pass it through reconciliation.
I think, no, you can't.
The Senate parliamentary will never allow it.
You couldn't even get illegals who are on Medicaid.
We tried to get the Senate parliamentarian to, we tried to ban that in the big, beautiful bill, and the Senate parliamentarian stripped it out.
And the idea that you're going to get any part of the Save America Pass through reconciliation is a joke, but they just want to fundraise on Hannity and tell us that it's going to happen.
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tim pool
I think this is largely why young men especially are sour on Trump.
And I think just dudes in general are checked out.
I think the polling data shows exactly what a lot of people are suggesting right now in the space.
I'm going to go there.
I know that guys don't like to hear it, but this is why you've got a lot of people Kirk posting.
Erica Kirk content is massive female viewership, and guys have checked out.
They're just, they're over it.
I think the Iran war was a massive kick in the balls to a lot of guys.
And I think I feel like we got a one-two punch of mass demoralization right at this exact same moment.
And that is the Save Act failure, as well as the Iran war, told a lot of guys you've been wasting your time with this.
And so they're probably like, guys, let's go watch football.
What's the point?
We struggled, we screamed, and we clawed for years, and we're back at square one.
It's almost like you ever play a video game, and then it's like you forget to save, and you fight a boss and lose, and then you realize you didn't save, and now you got to go start from the beginning, and you're like, oh my God.
And you just throw the control down.
I'm not playing anymore.
That's what it feels like for a lot of people.
And then, so at the same time, there are in the metrics, a lot of behind the scenes, I'll tell you guys a secret.
A lot of people are pointing out, like, we're friends with some of these people who have been, you know, talking about Erica Kirk quite a bit, though we disagree with it.
Their viewership is skewed almost entirely female the moment you start talking about Erica Kirk and it makes a lot of money.
Your RPMs triple.
Your female viewership skyrockets.
Male viewership is massively crashing.
And that's what everybody's pointing out right now.
tate brown
Because they were like, look at her, the type of dress she's wearing and the makeup.
tim pool
Her pants.
tate brown
And I'm just like, she looks like completely the same as how I always see her.
But for women, it's like big differences.
tim pool
Even Joe Rogan had a viral clip where he was talking about Erica Kirk because everybody in the history knows this.
And what I will say to everybody is that behind the scenes, these conversations, like I had like an hour-long phone call with someone in the industry that you guys all know who it is.
I'm not going to say who it is, talking about how viewership is collapsing right now.
Everybody's experiencing it.
And the one thing I often hear is like, obviously, for those that are watching on Timcast IRL, between Rumble and YouTube, we have, I think, 32, 32, 33,000 concurrent viewers.
And we were hitting like 45, 50K two months ago.
Now we're down to like 33K.
It's not bad.
It's better than where we were comparably to the previous election cycle.
We have seen some growth, but it is seriously down.
And everybody is having conversations wondering what's going on and why it's happening.
And I think it's fair to say that men have checked out.
That's it.
Women don't care about this stuff and never did.
That's why our audience has always been 80% guys and 20% female.
And now you can see with the approval ratings of Trump among men dropping, they're not interested in this.
But the people who are hanging on are Trump supporters.
So they're saying, no, what's the problem?
They stand with Trump.
Then, of course, you've got the libertarians.
They were never going anywhere.
They were always going to be in politics complaining about something, right?
But the regular people that got on board when politics became pop culture, I think, are checking out.
And so I'll give you an example.
For my morning show, viewership's pretty dang good.
Like, it's fairly stable.
But I do like, I did a video about the woman getting a car accident.
It's general interest.
And then the videos that do the best are UFOs, aliens, space weather, like totally non-political stuff.
I think dudes have checked out of politics right now, and it's going to be apocalyptic in November for the Republicans.
I think it's going to be worse than people realize.
If this trend continues, we're not looking at Democrats just taking the House.
We're looking at a supermajority.
We're looking at like a 30-sweet, 30-seat swing or something absolutely insane with these numbers.
tate brown
Yeah, you're kind of just seeing, you know, it retract back to the politicos, where it's just the people that are interested in politics are the ones tuning into political content.
I mean, to Tim's point, like, you know, I'll do uploads occasionally on his channel.
And by far, my best performing video was one of HOMAF.
tim pool
Yeah, they talk about women being hoes, and it's like guys are like, tell me about it.
tate brown
And I like, I put out these different videos, and it's fine.
Like, I'm not, it's whatever, but I put out these videos and I bring all these different experts or whatever on like politically focused content to get like 10,000 views.
When I have like congressmen on it, like it's like 10,000 views, but then you start talking about like stuff that men are really at the top of their mind dating.
That's why we'll get into it later, I suppose, is the discourse right now again.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll jump in there.
But this is the point: guys got heavily involved in politics.
Politics became pop culture.
And I think now I'll tell you, my honest feelings was like with the Iran war kicking off.
I was like, so Trump was, he was wrong about the 12-day war.
We did not disable their capabilities.
Now we're going back into war and it just, it feels like a one-two punch of demoralization.
You've got the SAVE Act failing, despite it being extremely popular.
And I think people are completely demoralized.
Like, oh, it was fake the whole time.
Trump's giving us war.
We didn't want that.
And I know, I know the Trump supporters are saying they're for it, but it's fascinating to see Trump supporters all of a sudden being like, a lot's right about everything.
Bro, come on.
Like three months ago, they were like, we don't like a lot.
He's wrong about everything.
Now they're all agreeing with him.
Hey, I got no problem if you're going to stand behind Trump the whole time.
I think Trump still is the best president of my lifetime.
I think we've had a bunch of miserable presidents and way better.
But my point is for young men, they're like, oh, Trump's doing the exact same thing.
What was the point?
Oh, the SAVE Act isn't getting passed.
What was the point?
Why were we spending time doing this?
Bro, I'm going to go order a pizza and go kick back and fish or something.
elad eliahu
You know, I think we're also coming off of a high of like the pre-Trump era or like the early Trump era where all of the left was freaking out about everything that the president would do.
There was a ton of these women marches and Tifa and then there was the George Floyd riots and like media was really hitting a high then and the left was going crazy and there was transgenders everywhere.
And everybody was non-binary or gay.
There was every new what form of gay of LGBTQIA, CB.
And a lot of that stuff seemed to be dwindling down.
Yeah, like it was a lot.
There were a lot more.
There's a lot more much click more clickbaity stuff.
I remember five or six years ago, there were like these transgender protests every day and Tifa every year.
They were constantly failing against the president.
And it was like, it was crazy.
And then they would even write against the president, especially in the first term.
Things were so crazy.
tim pool
And now they're losing.
Here's the other thing.
Maybe, you know, not to be so pessimistic.
Maybe we won.
I mean, to finish the point, the progressives in the progressives in Illinois all lost.
Every single progressive was crushed.
And that whole woke era is dead.
And so guys are not being as motivated.
I think maybe, and they've canceled Starfleet Academy.
I think maybe they're getting the message that we should just let guys play video games.
tate brown
Well, I think the left just like realized how disastrous the resist lib like era, how bad optics that was.
Because you think about all the characters that to a lot of point, they're freaking out all the time.
Trump, too, they're actually things are happening that they were saying because nothing happened in the first term, but the things that they were saying were happening in the first term are actually happening now.
Like there's ice goon squads and everything.
And they're like not really freaking out.
I mean, Moeller just died.
You remember like the first term, like Moeller was like the superstar and they were glazing him like crazy and they had like you know effigies and these candles forming everything.
And then he died and they just kind of like quietly were like, okay, because they're almost embarrassed by how crazy that period.
elad eliahu
I remember Trump supporters being assaulted in the streets regularly.
If you wore a MAGA hat, you were persona non-grata.
You were liable to be assaulted and people would justify it on the internet.
They would say like, yeah, we're just punching a Nazi.
And if you're wearing a MAGA hat, then you're a Nazi.
The country has shifted completely away from them.
tate brown
They burn cars over like Ben Shapiro.
elad eliahu
They used to riot over a bench shapiro.
unidentified
I know.
carter banks
They now sell MAGA hats like in the airport.
If you like arrived, MAGA's mainstream stole us.
There's like little kiosks.
caroline wren
I've been to, I think, like 137 Trump rallies.
The OG ones in the beginning in like 2016 primary days.
There used to be just people busting like fist fights and Trump would get into it and like start screaming and be like, get him, get him.
And like, if you went to a Trump rally, it was like dangerous.
Like you were like going to something.
Nobody knew what was going to happen.
There was like brawls breaking out.
Trump's like throwing, there's like two cops and an SEC tailgate.
Yeah, it was just absolute like madness.
But I'm like, I'm like, this is so different from like, then I'm like standing at a Jeb Bush rally.
I'm like, what do I, what is this?
unidentified
Yeah.
caroline wren
But that, to me, that part is like kind of, one, it's just everything is so formal now when you're president Joe's law and he's also had multiple assassination trips.
But I just find in January, the White House was saying, all right, we're going to spend, said the president out and we're going to focus on a like affordability tour.
And now we're in March and I'm like, okay, but, well, I think I saw him go to Memphis and like one other place and we've invaded Iran.
But like, where, can we go back to the future?
elad eliahu
I think he gave up on the tour.
I think he gave up on the midterms.
He said, I mean, there's, we're already, I think, going to not be, the Republicans are losing the majority.
I believe there's a Republican who's going to die in the next couple, who has a terminal illness in the House.
caroline wren
Neil done.
elad eliahu
And then depending on how you count Thomas Massey, there's about to be a true 50-50 split.
The party in power almost always loses in the midterm.
So the president might just be thinking, F it, if I'm already going to lose, I'm just going to do whatever I want.
tate brown
And then, again, second-term presidents have a history of being more unrestrained, especially when it comes to the— And he's got Mark Levin in his ear, who's like—there's a literal Nazi group in Iran.
And if you take them out, you can like be in the history books forever.
And Trump's going to like respond to that.
And also, to be fair, like the people that are slamming Trump for like being friendly to Mark Levin, keep in mind that these guys are like constantly supporting the president and encouraging him and like putting out these like really pleasant posts about Donald Trump.
And then all the guys that they're like mad that Trump won't listen to are like constantly like ankle biting and like being nasty to him.
It's like, well, why would Trump listen to these guys who are like undercutting him, even if they're like more based?
Trump's going to respond to the guys that are like glazing him all the time.
That's just human nature.
elad eliahu
Look, I also think there's...
tate brown
And he's 80.
elad eliahu
There's something to be said about people in power and understanding how to wield power instead of, again, being like ankle biters.
So like, again, people love to trash Lindsey Graham.
There's a reason why he's a, what, three, four time senator in South Carolina and not going anywhere.
Please dare to primary Lindsey Graham and see how far that gets you.
He's extremely popular in his state.
He's not going anywhere.
He has a power base.
He has constituents.
And this allows him to be effective and effectively pitch the caddy gay guy.
tate brown
Good luck taking that guy.
tim pool
It's going to be interesting if the progressive Democrats lose, the Republicans lose, and we get corporate Dems taking over.
I wonder how that's going to change the culture in this country because, I mean, the polls are not good for Trump, but the corporate Dems have not been in control of their party for some time.
The progressives have been.
That's why we were saying they're protesting in the street every day.
What is that going to look like?
unidentified
Right?
elad eliahu
Abby Spell, Spanberger everywhere.
tim pool
Guns banned.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
Yeah.
caroline wren
That's what it looks like.
But I'm not convinced that I think maybe they're just being careful and they're actually allowing primaries, which is nice.
You forget they just annoyed people.
They didn't allow any conversations of the Democratic Party.
They had no primaries ever.
They're actually allowing those to happen.
But like, I do think Graham Plantner ends up winning in Maine, and some of these populist Democrats will win.
And Illinois, I mean, you did have APAC did not have a good night that night.
So you had some progressives win as well.
And AIPAC also, the amount of money they spent compared to even some of those races being quite tight.
elad eliahu
We're going to jump to Nazi tattoo or am I being a sensitive Jewler?
caroline wren
From Plantner, I that was joking?
tim pool
It was a toten conf.
elad eliahu
Well, I just want to make sure I'm not being a sensitive Jew about it.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
It was literally the toten conf, and he said it was.
And he said, oops, I didn't know what it was.
He didn't say it wasn't a Nazi tattoo.
He says, yes, it is, but it was an accident.
elad eliahu
Did he say that?
I think he said.
unidentified
I didn't know what that was.
caroline wren
Yes, he was wrong with Israel.
unidentified
He didn't admit it.
elad eliahu
Did he admit that it was a matter of it?
tate brown
Yeah, he was like, in the military, we get Nazi tattoos.
It's what we do.
elad eliahu
We don't insult our country.
tate brown
We get a Nazi tattoo.
unidentified
But listen, listen.
tim pool
Listen, listen.
If you hate the Jews, which political party do you choose?
elad eliahu
You tell me, I guess the Democrats.
tim pool
What do you mean you guessed the Democrats?
caroline wren
I think the whole debates in 2028 are going to be about this and about Israel and support, and both parties are going to have it.
And so I think, you know, if you have Ruby a run or even JD Vance, I think you're going to have an MGG and a Tucker and a Thomas Massey and people all on the stage in these primaries.
And this is going to be a declining question.
I agree.
I think on the left, too, you saw even like the Pennsylvania governor distance himself from AIPAT.
tim pool
Like it is so I cannot like Israel's support in this country is over.
You know, a lot, I hate to break it to you.
Boomers love Israel.
Bill Maher said, if I'm with Trump on this issue, boomers love Israel, but boomers are on the way out.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's true.
And among the younger generations, you've got either anti-interventionist or outright anti-Israel and on both sides, the fringes, anti-Semites.
This is just a fact at this point.
When we're looking at the cancellation of these TV shows, why?
It's because their viewership is all 70 years plus.
These people will not be voting in any substantive fashion in the next, in 2032, boomers are out.
caroline wren
Especially if we eliminate Mail and Booney.
tim pool
We're looking at boomers now that are split between 70 to 80 years old.
So in the next six years, we are expected to see what's called the mortality shelf.
This is where two-thirds of boomers are going to all die because they're all hitting life expectancy on average.
It's the goes down.
That means they will be a minimal voting block.
They'll be important, but they'll be much, much smaller than Gen X, Millennial, and Gen Z, which each are going to be around, I think Gen X is like 70, then Millennials and Gen Z are 80.
Gen Alpha is microscopic, so they're not going to play a role.
Millennials are going to dominate politics in this country as the largest voting block.
Indeed, with boomers out, Israel's got no support.
Cable TV is done.
It's cooked.
And so I wonder if, and this has been some of the speculation, the reason why we went to war with Iran now is that Israel knows if the war doesn't happen now, the U.S. will not be involved six years from now.
elad eliahu
I'm praying for our boomers.
They're our country's biggest patriots.
tim pool
Actually, the boomers are split.
They half voted against, half for.
70 plus was the only age decade that opposed Trump.
Every other age bracket supported Trump.
So the younger boomers are more pro-Trump.
The older boomers are anti-Trump.
And it's going to be interesting how this plays out now that Trump is moving on.
But I do believe that when you get to that stage in 2028, no one is going to be staunchly pro-Israel.
No, no, no, hold on.
I'm not saying there won't be support for Israel.
I'm saying you're not going to see that weird, cringe New York mayor stuff where they're like, which country would you go to?
And every mayor is like, I go to Israel.
And then Zaran's like, I just stay here and help New Yorkers.
Like, it's weird that everybody's saying that for Israel.
You look at young people, and this is what I said when I was that meeting with Netanyahu.
I was like, you guys got 10 years if you're lucky.
That's it.
And then the U.S. is cutting off and Israel's on their own.
tate brown
Well, I mean, even Israel themselves, like Benjamin Netanyahu, is like, we should probably just try to decouple like now.
And he didn't say it, but I think in his head, he's like, it's probably inevitable that the U.S. will try to decouple.
Promiscuity and Masculinity 00:14:22
tate brown
There's certainly be a push from the digital.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
We've got this tweet, massively, massively viral tweet.
Trevor Sheets, he's got 32 million views because he said, my wife was formerly promiscuous.
I was a virgin.
She was then radically born again, committed to church, evangelized constantly, puritan books in her bedroom, prayer journals, grief over past sexual sin.
We got to know each other well for over a year, dated for four months, engaged for two and a half, and didn't sin sexually with one another.
Our first kiss with each other was at the altar on our wedding day.
Reaction, pick attached.
We've been married for over five years now, and she's been the most wonderful and godly wife, mother to our three children, and homemaker.
You could imagine.
He's saying she's been the most wonderful.
That's what he's saying.
She's more pure than most virgins as biblical purity has less to do with past sins and more to do with one's current posture.
I'm going to speed through this because you get the point.
He says, a woman or man's past sexual sin matters, but what matters far more when it comes to deciding who to marry is if the person is truly born again, if their repentance is real, if they truly have a heart for Christ, if they truly follow Jesus and obey his commands.
And then he quotes the Bible.
He's got this beautiful picture of his marriage.
And of course, it is blowing the F up with 12,000 replies, 7,000 retweets, and 31.5 million views.
And, oh boy, here we go.
Tate, what's wrong with this?
tate brown
There's a lot wrong with this.
I mean, like, let me just clear this because again, people just don't understand.
Like, I think people are being intentionally obtuse.
We're not really critiquing the concept of redemption.
Like, yes, in Christianity, I'm speaking as a Christian.
When you do admit to your sins, right?
Like, you are a new creation in Christ.
There's no doubt about that.
Like, no one is debating that.
What we're having contention with is two things.
One is the bizarre public declaration where you just air your dirty laundry on the internet and then somehow package it as if it's like a testimony and that it's somehow helping somebody.
It's really not.
And it's actually just having a demoralization.
I actually think that's like the primary issue.
tim pool
But I think it's also exacerbating the problem by telling women you can be promiscuous and slutty, but don't worry.
Just once you're done, just claim that you're born again and you're good.
tate brown
Because that's like the primary issue I would say with the entire thing is it's really just presenting to women the concept that it's more of a bailout than an actual like there's not a there's not a proper there's not proper indication to these women that like it's actually a really bad thing to be promiscuous it's just saying like it happened oh well you know it's like it was like a phase of her life you know it's like Like some people are emo, some people sleep brown.
tim pool
There's a Simpsons meme for this.
We call it Bart Simpson, and he says, A life of sin followed by the deathbed repentance.
tate brown
Yeah, well, that's and that's effectively what he's telling.
And again, it's like this isn't a novel testimony.
This is probably like half of marriages where like the woman or the man had like a really promiscuous background.
Because unfortunately, the world that we live in today is like the concept of chaste, like the concept of saving yourself for marriage is basically laughed at.
So it's like, it's really rare this actually happens.
So again, I don't know why he's packaging this.
Like this is some unique testimony that we are desperately needing.
It's like, no, young women understand this.
And for young men and young women that are pursuing like a Christ-like marriage, this is just unbelievably demoralizing and frustrating to see because it's like, yes, we know young women who are women that like sleep around, get bailed out all the time.
We know that.
And then in addition to that, it was just no repercussions.
No repercussions.
And then it was insulting where he says, she's more pure than a lot of virgins.
I think he might have said most virgins.
That's just absurd on the face because it's like, one, that has a definition, what like pure means.
And two, it's like, screw you.
Like, there's a lot of young women specifically that are waiting, that are trying to be obedient.
And like, this woman's stolen valor because, like, what this guy married her and now she's more pure.
It's like, no, that's ridiculous.
tim pool
Here's how Tristan Tate responded.
He says, you know, when you've never driven a car before and then you scrape money together for an old shitty vehicle, but you think it's pretty good because you've never driven another car?
I remember that feeling.
Mine was a VW golf and the engine didn't even fire from one of the cylinders.
The salesman told me it had been reworked and was good as new.
I didn't know it wasn't.
I had no point of reference.
Now, this isn't about the physical driving sensation.
That was enjoyable enough, despite the wear and tear.
But the reliability and soul of the vehicle was expended.
It went through numerous breakdowns.
One day you will think back on this analogy.
Nonetheless, I wish you both well.
tate brown
Yeah.
unidentified
Nikes.
tim pool
And that is ice cold.
tate brown
What Tristan's getting at, and like, you know, I'm trying to approach this from like a Christian standpoint.
But what he is hitting on is valid, and this is a problem, is this like scarcity mindset.
So it's specifically with young men because the dating market is so bad for young men right now that as soon as they find a woman that will like show them love and affection, especially if like this guy, I think he's a little older, he's like 30 when he got married, they're just going to jump in with both feet because the reality is for a lot of young men right now, especially Christian young men, there is this sense that like there's really not that many eligible spouses and they have a really difficult time finding eligible spouses.
So if they finally find someone that at least ticks a few boxes, they just go all in and like worship this woman.
It's the scarcity mindset and it's a big problem with the evangelical community.
tim pool
If you're a young guy right now and you're seeing this, like I agree with what you're saying, it's basically like this, this guy is a weak man.
I'm not trying to be a dick.
And this is the narrative that's been pushed on the internet for some time by like the red pill or like men's rights guys.
Maybe not men's rights guys is that way to describe it, but like dating advice that women are going to go for the Chads, the Alpha Chads, and they're going to get used and abused by them because these guys have no reason to settle down because everybody wants them.
Then once they're older and hit the quote-unquote wall, they'll look for a weak man who says, I'll give you anything you want.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the young guys are sitting there saying, I just want to have a family.
I want to have a job.
But the women are saying, I have no reason to do this because the hottest guys want me.
And then as soon as I turn 30, I'll just, I'll come back, come crawling back to you and you'll give it up.
tate brown
And that's like the thing.
Like there's this thing where a lot of men are like, wow, you know, she's like ran through or whatever.
She's really going to regret that one day or she's waiting to get married.
Like she's really going to regret that when she's older and doesn't have kids.
It's like there is no justice, actually.
These women do end up happily ever after.
They will find a guy that, again, is just going to bail her out.
That's like looking for a wife and he's gotten old enough where he's like, I'll just, you know, marry anyone that'll show me affection.
There is no justice.
Like these women will be fine.
They will have kids.
They will have a husband.
And there's nothing you can do about it.
And that's what infuriates young men so much.
elad eliahu
Look, I'll take the contrarian take here.
If these are two happy consenting adults, let them go at it.
You know, not to argue for the future.
tim pool
No one ever said not to the point.
I'm just saying social degradation.
elad eliahu
Sure.
I also think there's something to be said about how promiscuous.
I don't know if I'm getting into the nitty-gritty here, but people have different definitions of this.
But, like, all things considered, if they're happy about it, like, I'm not saying they should get like divorced.
tate brown
I'm just saying, like, let's not prescribe this as like a model to follow.
And that's what this guy is trying to do by airing out his wife's dirty laundry.
I mean, she's spoken about this testimony publicly, but it's like, dude, stop the way he's portraying this.
Again, it's not, I believe her.
I believe her at face value that she truly is redeemed and she's not going to fall in that lifestyle.
Some guys are trying to, you know, dig into her lifestyle.
I don't really care about that.
What I'm saying is, stop presenting this like it's a model because it's not.
And the reality is the way that marriage works in 2026, I'm saying this as a Christian, picking your spouse is not something you can screw up.
You got to get that right.
And so it's like you need to interpret it, interpret whatever data you can to determine you're making the correct calculation for the same reason why you wouldn't have a born-again pedophile like babysit your children because it's like that's great.
You've redeemed your life and I do believe you.
I do believe you're redeemed.
But past sin, there's consequences to that.
You're not going to be seen the same.
It's just unfortunate.
But it's like you cannot remove consequences.
elad eliahu
It's just the only female here.
Do you have a thought?
unidentified
I don't really.
caroline wren
I read it as a super douchey post.
And I'm also confirmed what he says.
My wife was promiscuous.
Part of me is like, what does that mean?
She like made out with other people.
Does it detail like, do we even know what this woman did?
Like, it could have been that.
carter banks
I immediately assume she slept with like a bunch of people.
tate brown
That's what she said.
caroline wren
But also, but the type of guy that would write this, like, would think it's promiscuous to make out with someone.
So that's why I'm like, what do I do?
We even know if this woman slept with anyone.
tate brown
Like, yeah, that's like these evangelical guys, like, she had like two life rates.
elad eliahu
Let's assume, let's assume.
tate brown
But she's, she came out later and she was like, I couldn't keep track of how many men I was with.
That's what she said verbatim.
I lost count of how many men.
elad eliahu
Oh, I didn't know you had the inside scoop here.
tate brown
Oh, yeah, I got the T.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, because it's all over the timeline.
I didn't want to learn.
I'm learning everything about this couple I'm learning is against my will.
elad eliahu
Oh, so you have more information than we do for women to sleep with many men, or I don't know, many men.
caroline wren
In our generation, yeah, I do think people are sleeping with more partners because they're getting married later, right?
Like, so that's a that is another problem.
Everyone used to get married at like 18 to 23, and so like your number would be much lower.
But now when everyone's getting married at 36, so you just inherently have more partners.
But yeah, I think I would rather set myself on fire than go to a dinner party with these two people.
And I pass that don't really have too many hot takes on it.
tate brown
No, that's completely.
It's just like there's a reason why, because this is like it just epitomizes like what a lot of young men are feeling, but specifically young men that are Christian, the young men that are like specifically in the evangelical are young Christian men seeking a virgin woman?
Well, the problem isn't that we're like seeking that every man, it's going to be ideal for them.
Like, let's not pretend like men are actively seeking out women with a high body.
elad eliahu
Is it even a consideration?
unidentified
It is.
tate brown
That's 100%.
Well, it's 100% a consideration for a lot of men who are like serious about marriage.
You want to make sure they get it right.
And then like the message from like evangelical leaders, I'm seeing it all over the timeline.
Is like, not only is it like you're wrong for thinking that it's like they're basically saying you don't have the right to like desire in Christianity, nobody's beyond redemption.
And I agree, but it's like, again, it's just the way things work with how broken the dating scene is.
It's like men have to be a little caught.
And women too.
For the record, women should also have the right to want their spouse to like be at least on the same footing as them, the same level of experience.
Because this doesn't apply to sexuality.
Like it applies to multiple realms.
Education, like you could, it's fair to say you want your spouse like at the same level as you.
But for some reason, men, for some reason, evangelical leaders are dead set on removing all the consequences of like sexual degradation, sexual degeneracy.
I don't know why, but they're just so intent on it.
elad eliahu
It's trying to get these promiscuous women wed.
tate brown
I think it is.
Well, I think it's that, but I think like evangelicalism in and of itself has a serious undercurrent of feminism.
And this is why you see these churches.
caroline wren
That's true.
tate brown
These churches have like basically TED Talks for sermons, and the worship is like gay.
It's like literally, you know, it's like just this really whimsical music.
Jesus is my boyfriend style music.
The great Vodie Bakum coined that.
And it's like, it's just pathetic.
It really is.
Evangelicalism in 2026 is just anti-male, fundamentally.
And it's this, and then you're seeing it where all these pastors are coming out and they're like, the real problem here is actually the men.
And you're like, what?
unidentified
Like, where did this come?
elad eliahu
We need to have an evangelical millennial to defend their honor.
tate brown
I grew up.
I grew up in the Southern Baptist Church.
I'm a Presbyterian.
Like, by all accounts, every trad cath would call me like a kitschy evangelical.
I know this is my people.
I know a million people like Trevor Sheets.
I know these people like the back of my hand.
tim pool
Maybe it's testosterone's going down.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, you know what?
I do think a big component of testosterone going down has to do with people's skin is nicer as well.
You know why?
Nobody goes outside anymore.
So there's a really funny, I guess, trope where it's like, you ever notice that in the 90s, people who are like 30 looked like they were 50?
You ever notice that?
Like on Seinfeld, you're like, those people were 29, 30 years old.
Like I think Elaine was supposed to be like 28 or something.
And they look like they're in their mid to late 30s relative today.
It's because we don't go outside as much.
This is true.
So people went outside to walk places more often.
So obesity went up.
And a lot of people are like, something happened.
There's this meme where they're like, something happened at the end of the 90s where obesity skyrocketed.
They changed our food.
No, the internet.
People stopped going outside.
They started doing more work at computers.
You used to have to walk to the store for things.
Now you don't.
Now someone else does it for you.
There was this, I can't remember who told the story.
You guys maybe look it up.
I think the channel know.
Where guys like, I intentionally walk to the store to get envelopes or whatever because it's not going to the store that matters.
It's what happens on the way where I see a dog and I pet it and I wave to my neighbors.
Not anymore.
And so I think one of the reasons why testosterone has been dropping is not necessarily because of microplastics in our balls or whatever.
It's because guys don't use their muscles.
They're not walking.
They're not lifting.
They're not doing manual labor.
Young men used to have to go and lift rocks and do work as kids.
Like women worked at the soda shop and they'd bring in your burger on roller skates and guys would move boxes and lift and break rocks.
And then you had like that video of the presidential fitness program where the guys are swinging on the monkey bars and they're doing pull-ups.
That work boosted testosterone.
It's not just about all the food.
Now guys are eating, you know, takeout pod thai, which is heavily starchy with only a little bit of protein.
They're sitting around watching movies.
Their muscles are thin and flabby.
They don't build testosterone.
And then they go, whatever you think, dear.
tate brown
Yeah, it was the Bronze Age pervert tweet where it was like, ancient men conquered cities, put them to the sword.
Meanwhile, you go to wine bar with your girlfriend and enjoy tasteful banner.
You are gay.
unidentified
That's like, it's so true.
elad eliahu
We're taking that trip to Tehran.
tate brown
I think that's why we got to go to Tehran.
tim pool
That's why I said I love the masculinity.
Maybe the real problem is just all these frail little sissy boys.
We just need war.
For no other reason, just war.
No, we just need brutal men who just do brutal things.
tate brown
Well, there's some truth also to the fact that the world wars removed the top percentile of test like men out of the gene pool forever.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, because all the wheat guys stayed behind.
tate brown
Yeah, all the weak guys stayed behind and also like the most like strong men.
tim pool
But that's been true forever.
That's been true forever.
tate brown
Yeah, but World War II.
tim pool
That's why there's so many Smiths.
tate brown
Yes, but like the World Wars were like a really high volume of herd thinning, so to speak.
I mean, Russia every 20 to 30 years has a massive birth rate drop purely because there's so many men missing from that generation.
They call it echoes of the wars.
And they're actually going through one right now.
Counterterrorism Donor Secrets 00:13:36
elad eliahu
Isn't it crazy?
Ukraine war is still going on.
Like, what is it?
tim pool
Everyone just forgot about it.
Yeah, who cares?
elad eliahu
It's like over that war.
tim pool
Remember that war that still happened?
elad eliahu
TV drones that still like I still watch those videos all the time.
Nobody cares.
I don't know.
caroline wren
They have like 25,000 deaths a month right now.
This is like a serious word on a minimum, and no one talks about it.
I'm like, we lost seven people, and I, and then it's like, war so far, I'm losing my mind.
They're literally like, it's wild.
This topic that did remind me, and maybe it's the picture, but I um, I used to work for Turning Point, and I know Charlie from like original and helped with fundraising for him.
And Charlie and I were flying to New York, and he was that night having his first date with Erica.
And he was so nervous.
But earlier that day, I won't say who, but there was, I was with Charlie and some guys.
They were all making fun of him, saying, Charlie, like, you're 26 years old and a virgin now.
Like, you need to figure this out.
I think it was 26 or 27.
tim pool
Like, and so they went to a CIA recruiting farm where they found Erica and he picked her.
caroline wren
Yeah, no.
So they go to New York City.
He was asking me about like restaurants.
And then I don't remember what he picked someplace.
And then the next day we were flying somewhere in the Midwest.
And so he gets on the plane immediately.
Like, how did it go?
And he just looks at me and was like, I'm going to marry her.
And was so, and then I got to like watch him court her, just how purposeful he was.
It was actually really neat to see.
I'd not seen a guy just like take a girl out on a date in so long and then do that and then just actually like be so interesting.
tim pool
Let's actually hit this one more story.
I know we're pushing a little late, but let's grab this one from Media Betrayal.
The Charlie Kirk show utterly disgusted after Joe Kent says he'd testify at alleged assassin's trial.
Now, Joe Kent has made the claim that he was not allowed to investigate any foreign nexus which may have been involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which, of course, presents a little bit of doubt.
I'm not saying it's, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt, but the outrage here is that Joe Kent is insinuating there may have been something else involved and they were blocked, which will allow the defense for the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin to say this was not a proper investigation.
And with this statement already in the public, how can the FBI say that their investigation was thorough and complete and correct if you have the testimony from a counterterrorism director saying they weren't not allowed to investigate?
That's going to create reasonable doubt for the jury.
They're going to get this guy found not guilty because at least one or not to mention the amount of jurors that are probably watching a lot of these podcasts and these shows.
So this is interesting, but I will just say, you know, I haven't seen the evidence.
You know, we've only seen what's in the public.
I think the trial should be public.
We should be able to see what the evidence is.
And I think that the official narrative on Tyler Robinson is not correct, but I think Tyler Robinson is likely the person who did it.
We'll see what the evidence bears out.
I think Tyler Robinson did not act alone, and there's evidence that other people had foreknowledge of what was going to happen.
And that is being effectively, and I don't know if cover up is the right word, but you've got people claiming Israel did it, which seems ridiculous because Charlie held a seminar to convince Gen Z to support Israel.
Like even Nick Fuentes is like, that's crazy.
Like if Ben Shapiro died, people are going to be like, Israel did it.
That's insane.
That being said, they are really downplaying all of the evidence suggesting other people were either assisting or involved with this assassination, such as the vehicles outside of Robinson's house, the social media posts from individuals saying something is going to happen.
They had foreknowledge something was going to happen.
The question is, how did they know?
caroline wren
Well, he's the director of counterterrorism, which, by the way, this is an organization that was founded post-9/11 because there are many people say that if the CIA FBI had actually been coordinating on the intelligence that they have, we could have prevented that attack.
So that is what his role is to be at the intersection.
He has access to every single piece of sensitive data that comes through our country from both the FBI and CIA.
So the idea that Joe Kent, he's saying that they tried to obstruct him.
Nobody extrupted you, Joe.
You were in that job.
You could have investigated anything.
You were the director of counterintelligence and you were counterterrorism.
You were Senate confirmed.
No one is able to go into the computer system and block Joe Kent from having access to that data.
So one, I think he's a liar.
And I think that this is pretty outrageous as to what he did.
And by the way, you were in that role for a year.
So, what the hell did you do about anything other than run away and then go debate Mark Levin where I learned absolutely nothing and what was the worst like 47 minutes of my life?
tate brown
Yeah, and if he's fixated in all this, this indicates why there was so much inaction on like the NT facilities following the Charlie Kirk assassination.
If he didn't even think it was them that conducted it.
caroline wren
But if Andrew Clavelt sends you a private text message chain that they want to keep private, and your job is to go investigate that, you have access to literally every single piece of intelligence the United States government has access to.
And instead, you give it to Candace to say on her podcast.
tim pool
So he denied leaking it, but Colvett, and I can corroborate this, said that he said that he gave that text where Charlie said he was he would be being forced to leave the pro-Jewish cause.
He gave that to Joe Kent, and then sure enough, the next thing you know is it leaks to Candace Owens.
Joe Kent's denying it, but then it would be Joe Kent gave it to somebody.
He shared with somebody after he said it needs to be made public.
What I can say is that I had spoken with guys at TPUSA, including Colvet, and what they're saying now is true.
That this is my understanding before any of this became public when the text came out, I was told this exact story.
And so the fact that Joe Kent is now, you know, in the spotlight and Colvet is saying he's the guy that was given it and it got leaked.
Even before this was public, I knew.
So I don't say anything because if someone tells me to keep things private, I'll be like, okay, because they're like, we don't know who leaked it, but I'm like, yep, I don't know.
Well, I will say this.
It would seem, at least as far as my understanding of these conversations, Joe Kent did leak these texts.
caroline wren
100%.
tim pool
Now, whether he leaked it to Candace Owens, I don't know, but somebody was given it and it got to Candace.
Now, the problem is the problem with the selective release of a text message like that and what Candace is doing with these texts is that she can just put out whatever message she wants to frame the picture any way she wants.
And Charlie can't speak up to defend himself or to correct the context.
And so I just, you see it endlessly where people are like, this proves Charlie was anti-Israel.
And it's like, yes, but at the same time, like around the same time, he did a seminar with Gen Z to convince them to support Israel.
So that's context too.
And it sounds like to me from these texts that he was basically venting, not that he was saying he was changing his stance, but he was like, man, you know, it very much reminds me of the, oh, won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?
Not a direct statement of, I want him dead, but I'm just so frustrated with these people.
And then it's taken to be construed as that he was anti-Israel.
caroline wren
No, he was under a lot of pressure from his donors.
I was a fundraiser for Charlie, and the pro-Israel donors are very intense.
They care about one thing, and that is Israel.
I always joke that there are pro-Israel donors, pro-business donors, and then the like actual ideological ones.
Those are the three categories.
The pro-Israel, they want you to unequivocally support Israel, which is fine.
And Charlie, but he had, and Charlie had a massive amount of donors, right?
He was the best fundraiser in the country.
People loved him.
But those pro-Israel donors would give him so much pressure on his speaking lineups and all this stuff.
And it was weighing on him.
But also, he would tell people in private that he thought that the trans community was going to kill him.
And ultimately, I think that's what happened here.
I think the trans community did kill him.
I think there's been a lot of radical trans shootings.
And I think this guy was radicalized by the trans community.
He shot Charlie Kirk.
tim pool
The people who threatened to kill me are not Israel.
It's the craziest thing.
It's just literal whack-aloons.
The people who have swatted us, and we believe we know what it is, they are leftists.
There has never been an instance where, like, it makes no sense that Charlie Kirk would be killed by Israel.
Maybe some other foreign country, I suppose.
But it is wild what has become of the political space in this country.
And I'm going to say this too.
I think another reason why young men may be dipping out of politics, you do have a break from Trump.
And this could be a combination of factors from demoralization.
Also, many of these people are probably fans of Tucker.
Tucker is probably driving a shift as well.
But I also wonder if there's a lot of people that have just Checked out because of the psychosis of politics.
Because you've got, you go on X, and what happens?
I love this.
You're either a Nazi or a Jew.
Like, that's that's the polar extremes at this point.
And then somehow I'm both simultaneously.
It's amazing.
So I got to tell you, it's demoralizing and it makes it like, why would I want to be involved with any of this insanity?
Why would I want to be party to the grifter class who are just saying whatever they have to say because they're scared their views are going down?
And that's what's happening.
And, you know, I'll say this to everybody watching.
I told this story before.
There's a fitness influencer.
He made videos about fitness.
After October 7th, he made a video about October 7th.
And he was like, you know, I don't really talk about this stuff, but the things that we're seeing are really horrifying.
And everyone's talking about it.
And the comments were asking me my thoughts.
So I decided to make a video.
And, you know, it's like everybody gets in this moment, this cultural moment.
Well, all of a sudden, he goes from getting like 30,000 views on fitness videos to 150,000 views.
And he's like, wow.
Then he gets more comments being like, have you heard what's going on?
Can you update us?
Can you tell us what you think?
And so then he's like, well, when I do, when I last video I did, it got six figures, right?
There's another video on Israel.
All the comments are anti-Israel critical saying, I don't know, man, this seems fishy.
Did you see this story?
Did you see that story?
Slowly over time, with more and more comments and more and more money, his channel is now nothing but anti-Israel content.
He is nothing but an anti-Israel influencer because his RPMs went up, his viewership went up, and he says, I've become successful.
It's when you look at Mr. Beast, look at his early YouTube videos, playing Minecraft, giving people money.
And then that's where he found his success.
Now he's doing game shows.
You know, he's just become a generic personality.
He just chased after whatever built him up.
Dylan Mulvaney, another great example.
Dylan Mulvaney's original TikTok videos were gay safari.
Then Dylan made a I'm non-binary video, 4 million views.
Gay Safari, no one's watching.
Then I think I'm trans, 4 million views.
Then I'm going to do a trans thing every single day and millions and millions and millions and millions of views.
People are driven in this direction because they're chasing after what gets them money.
And what I will tell you right now is behind the scenes, the business, the guys selling ads, the people know this.
I don't know if this next thing is true, but I'm going to say it anyway.
A lot of people have pointed out.
I was talking to a guy who does ad sales and he says, you'll notice the Hodge twins on Facebook and the Hodge twins on Twitter have inverted political opinions.
caroline wren
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
And what I was told, it's because the marketing company that does the posting does not care about politics.
They care about engagement.
So this is a guy sitting in a room who has no idea what Trump is doing or not.
All he knows is that when he says Trump here, he gets 4X impressions.
When he says no, Trump here, they get 4X impressions.
So they just set the machine.
It keeps going.
People have been saying this all over X every time the Hodge Twins post.
They're like, on X, they're pro-Tucker, they're anti-Israel.
On Facebook, they're pro-Trump.
Why?
Facebook is largely boomers who like Trump.
X has something else going on, whatever that may be, different audience.
So all of a sudden, these people, they start shifting what they normally talk about.
They're talking about geopolitics, talking about taxes, to Erica Kirk's leather pants.
100,000, 400,000 views, you know, 100,000, 200, 300, 400,000.
I'm like, why is this guy who used to talk about politics that I actually liked watching and cared about now just complaining that you wore the wrong pants?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Because they get a boost in female viewership.
They make a lot more money.
Their RPMs jump.
And they're chasing after it.
So by all means, we can have a show here where we talk about whether Trump is doing good or Trump is doing bad and be honest about our thoughts on it.
But that's not what makes the most money.
And then something else happens.
YouTube is going to algorithmically promote whatever generates the most viewership and ad rates.
And for some reason, right now, RPMs on Erica Kirk content have passed finance.
Finance is the number one RPM.
It's like 20 bucks.
And now Erica Kirk posts are rivaling or beating finance.
I was talking to these people who are running this behind the scenes, and they're like, oh, yeah, Erica Kirk content, $20, $25.
And I'm like, what?
News media is $6, $7.
That means for every thousand views you get, you'll get $6, $7.
Not if you're talking about Erica Kirk, you'll get $25.
That means not only do you get more views, you get more money.
And the reason you get more views is because YouTube is like, if the RPMs are higher, promote these videos more because we'll make more money off ad sales.
So who the is advertising intentionally on Google ads targeting Erica Kirk content?
That's the weirdest thing to me.
But it's happening.
It is.
She is completely irrelevant on the world stage.
And I'm not trying to be a dick, but she is.
She's running a student organization for politics.
She's not telling Trump to bomb Iran.
She's not involved in any of that.
And if you really want to influence what's going on, you need to be talking about Pete Hegseth or Donald Trump or our Mark Wayne Mullen right now.
Nope.
That's not where the money's at.
And there's a bunch of conspiracies about it, but it could just be that people chase after what gets the viewership.
They struck a gold mine with this because women are interested in it and men.
So if you've got 80% male viewers, but you add so many female viewers that you shift to 60% female, your audience is skyrocketing.
Your RPMs are going to go through the roof and you're going to be rich.
American Mexican Food Origins 00:03:48
tim pool
I wish you the best of luck.
Let's go do Rumble Ransom Super Chats, my friend.
Smash that like button.
Share the show with everyone in your life you've ever met.
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I will briefly mention that we have this post on X where they're announcing they are now going to RevShare based on your home country to stop foreigners from talking about American politics.
tate brown
Let's go.
tim pool
This is going to be ethics.
elad eliahu
They used to have like the servers for like, oh, just North America, oh, Asia server, oh, Europe server, Africa server.
We need that with social media.
tim pool
No, we need region blocking.
I am going to block everyone outside of like 10 countries.
United States, Canada, UK, you're good.
France, Germany, the Netherlands, it's fine.
But for the most part, that's 95% of my audience.
elad eliahu
We don't only need physical borders.
We need virtual borders.
tate brown
Indeed, unironically, yeah.
tim pool
Let's grab some of these.
We got Mac.
He says, we have had service for citizenship for a long time, but they still have to pass the citizenship test.
I had a buddy that was serving to get citizenship when I served over 20 years ago.
Indeed.
Junior Rod says, is that what it is?
Jay R. Rod?
Tate has never had true Mexican food.
Tate has had American Mexican food.
He needs to eat a torta or a pozole.
elad eliahu
Go eat a torto.
tate brown
That's not pozole.
No, they're not eating this in Mexico.
In Mexico, the Mexican food's really good.
I'm talking about American Mexican food.
It's literally the same generic slop over and over again.
And I can't actually.
tim pool
You mean like Taco Bell?
tate brown
Not even.
Taco Bell is fantastic.
tim pool
It is.
I was about to strike you.
tate brown
Taco Bell's American food.
tim pool
That's right.
tate brown
It's like the Tex-Mex, right?
It's like the same, like...
tim pool
Dude, hard-shell tacos don't exist.
That's an American invention.
tate brown
It's just like just meat on a corn tortilla, and I'm like, fine.
elad eliahu
Let's cry like that.
tate brown
I enjoy the rest of the stuff.
elad eliahu
Runch your cream is probably the best Mexican food that was ever created.
tim pool
That's not Mexican.
That's American.
elad eliahu
Well, it's an Americanized version of Mexican food.
We bastardized their food in May.
tim pool
No, we did.
That is no equivalent in Mexico.
Burritos or Tex-Mex.
elad eliahu
Mexicans better than.
tim pool
No, Elad, the flower tortilla wrap, okay, that was invented in America, not in Mexico.
Do you understand that, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
That's Tex-Mex.
They don't have burritos in Mexico.
elad eliahu
We bastardized their food and made a better version of it.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
What don't you understand to we invented that?
elad eliahu
Tex-Mex.
tim pool
Tex-Mex is Texas.
Texas, not Mexico.
elad eliahu
Yeah, but there were Mexicans in Texas, as I understand who made Tex-Mex.
tim pool
No, the burrito is an American, a Texan creation.
It is not Mexico.
tate brown
The best Mexican food officer.
tim pool
When you go to Mexico, they're eating chicken and rice.
elad eliahu
I don't go to Mexico.
tate brown
That's why I'm saying the best authentic Mexican food is Chipotle.
Quidoba is at a close second.
tim pool
I don't even know if Chipotle accounts.
tate brown
Oh, that's authentic 100%.
tim pool
Burritos, again, it's Tex-Mex.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
People think burritos is a Mexican food, and you go to Mexico and they're like, a what?
You're like a burrito.
And they're like.
tate brown
You can't, on the ethnic food stuff, you just can never win.
If you put it, it's like a losing battle.
No matter what take you have, it's wrong.
tim pool
Ordering a burrito in Mexico is like ordering veal.
You're basically saying, give me baby donkey meat.
Burrito means baby donkey.
unidentified
You just can't win.
You can't.
tate brown
I really like.
No, that's not authentic.
The problem is you haven't had real Mexican food.
tim pool
I'm like, what am I supposed to eat?
unidentified
I hate it.
tate brown
I'm sorry.
unidentified
I don't like it.
tim pool
Chicken and rice, bro.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
tim pool
Chicken and rice.
tate brown
That's every brown country.
unidentified
That's what they eat.
That's what they eat.
tate brown
Oh, in my country, we eat chicken and rice.
Are you all bodybuilders now?
Like, what's going on?
I can't handle it anymore.
tim pool
That is like what people eat everywhere.
tate brown
That's the brown belt.
They all eat the same variation of chicken and rice and a certain spice.
tim pool
It's true.
I went to Brazil and I was like, let's get Brazilian food.
My friend was like, you want real Brazilian food?
And I was like, yeah, it was steak and rice.
tate brown
Yeah, it's steak and rice.
tim pool
Steak and rice.
But they do put a little cornmeal on top.
tate brown
Oh, that's how we differentiate from the Philippines.
Burrito vs Veal Confusion 00:03:26
tate brown
It's like, okay, all right.
Can I get some Italian food?
tim pool
Maybe French or and then he was like, do you want to have guacamole?
And I was like, sure.
And he bought an avocado that was this big.
And I was like, what the is that thing?
He's like, it's avocado.
And I was like, it's massive.
And he was like, what do you mean?
And then I was like, bro, our avocados are like this big.
And he's like, ah, no, avocados, they're big.
And it was amazing.
And then we put like a cup of lemon juice on it and it was the best thing ever.
That's right.
You just mash it up.
You dump lemon juice or lime juice or whatever.
All right, let's grab some more.
Quispy Joe says, as someone who takes CBD THC as a sleep aid, I don't see the big issue with marijuana.
It is an illegal drug.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
It's a crime.
You're a criminal.
I'm kidding.
tate brown
So true.
Unironically, yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Dem Nuts says, did anyone else get over 20,000 back on taxes this year?
Here's a tip for the boys.
Sorry, I can't do more.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tate brown
Dude, you're going to get audited for saying that way.
tim pool
I don't get refunds.
The way it works when you're running a business is that you pay quarterly, and that's it.
There's no such thing as a refund anymore at a certain point.
That's another thing, Andrew Tate should point that.
When you're rich, you don't file taxes the same way.
I don't file once a year.
I file every quarter.
And then at the end of the year, they just say, you overpaid and will apply it to next year's taxes.
I think I've overpaid probably like an insane amount.
elad eliahu
I'm still a million dollars.
Contractors do quarterly, but you're legally obligated to.
They will be able to do the yearly.
tate brown
Wage cook, W-2 American.
tim pool
Andrew Tate says, if you know how much money you have, you are poor.
tate brown
I do.
I have not that much.
tim pool
Same old man says, Tim, go outside and talk to people in town, cities, and so forth.
They will give you a better idea of how popular Trump is or not.
Indeed.
And that's literally what I do all the time.
I go out every weekends to various poker rooms, of course.
And one of the things that I and everybody loves about the poker table is sitting down with usually seven other people because a lot of casino, a lot of poker rooms, they make more money if they do eight Macs instead of nine seaters.
And then you're sitting with a random group of people and everyone's talking.
And it's a lot of fun.
And that's why old guys do it.
They call them old man coffee.
You go to a poker table, there's going to be three old retirees and they're there because they want friends.
And all their friends are dead.
So they can sit down and they can talk with people and have some social engagement.
And it is very nice.
It is very nice, you know, to play with these guys.
And then you talk and you find that I got to be honest.
I find that most people I talk to similarly agree with what I've been saying.
Even the people who are like, I like Trump, like me, I like Trump.
I think Trump's the best president of my lifetime.
I think he's had a series of blunders and he's hurting really greatly among moderates.
I sit down with some young guys, varying ages, old guys, and they all say the same thing.
Yeah, Trump's a lot better, but man, this is not looking good, and the economy's not doing well, and young men are struggling, and they're frustrated because all of these hoes are getting bailed out by these Christian guys.
tate brown
My bad.
tim pool
You can hear it.
tate brown
Sorry, guys.
elad eliahu
That's how we get that reproduction rate back up.
tim pool
Salty Pete says, guys, the Save Act is pivotal in saving a republic.
Then why is it America First Crowd, Benny Crowder, Uttar, are putting all pressure on the GOP 24-7?
Take responsibility.
You command the millions.
We talk about it all the time.
We talk about it all the time.
What do we need to do?
What are you going to do, huh?
Trump said he won't pass any legislation.
He won't sign anything until the Save Act is passed.
And they said, screw off.
Because they're basically like, oh, boy, if you hold out for a couple more months, Trump's cooked.
YouTube AI Slop Concerns 00:15:14
elad eliahu
You know what the cynical hot take here is this Save Act is just more distraction from the Iran war.
caroline wren
I think it was good to let all the podcasts, everyone's been debating the Save Act online instead of actually debating the Iran war.
So the White House, I actually think it's a good thing to have this Save America act debate going on.
elad eliahu
Yeah, draw away attention.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
We got Electric Chimera saying as is tradition.
I'm in the hospital with my wife having our first child, our son, Ray.
Spin the UFO.
unidentified
Let's go.
tate brown
Let's go.
Welcome to the world, little Patriot.
Here we go.
Bang.
tim pool
I'm trying.
Too far away.
Can you see it?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That harkens back to the olden days of 2020 when the table was much smaller and there were only two people and rarely did we have a guest.
carter banks
And there was spin the UFO Gmail account.
tim pool
Here's the secret.
The original purpose of this show, Timcast IRL, was I have a van that I had built, and I had talked about this on Rogan.
It has solar panels.
It's actually outside.
It still works and everything.
It's got electric.
It's got so much juice from the solar panels that it will never run out of power because it's just somewhat.
And I had actually produced my morning show from it when I was on a road trip to go to Texas to join Joe Rogan.
And Timcast IRL in real life was going to be, I would do my show from this mobile sleeper van and then pull up somewhere and say, hey, guys, I'm currently in this place.
Come hang out and we're going to do a real conversation where I put up a table and anybody can come and we can have a conversation about anything.
And then COVID happened.
So the channel had like 78,000 subscribers on it because I was like, check out the van.
And like, you could look at the first videos.
I was like, I got the van.
COVID happened and it was like, okay, well, now we can't go anywhere.
So then the idea was I have nothing to do with the other half of my day.
So I wake up, I do my morning show, everything's great.
And then I'm playing World of Warcraft.
You know, I was playing World of Warcraft the Legion, I believe, at the time.
And then I was like, you know, the easiest way to do more segments would be to just do a live stream with my buddy.
And then we would just do 10 minutes, 10 minutes, 10 minutes, and we can pick anything.
And the original idea was going to be weird and wild, wacky, interesting stories and conspiracy.
And then because of the nature of COVID, it turned into news, politics, and commentary.
And that's how we ended up where we are with this show.
And yeah, now that's all over.
So there we go.
Let's grab a couple more of these.
What do we got here?
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
That one gamer says Trump should send the Chirac Special Forces with Tim leading the charge.
Tim can be the company commander for Oblock.
There are a lot of gangbangers and let's just call them listless young men in Chicago.
Man, you drop those guys.
Drop them into Iran.
Man.
That'll be wild.
tate brown
YN Brigade.
Warming the shores.
I like it.
elad eliahu
What's the name of the guy who got shot?
The Oblock rapper?
tate brown
King Vaughn.
elad eliahu
There we go.
unidentified
Vaughn.
Yeah.
For Vaughn.
elad eliahu
Come on, guys.
unidentified
George.
That's what they talk.
elad eliahu
83rd?
tate brown
That's all the listless young men talk.
Come on, guys.
Let's band together and let's take down this Nazi regime, guys.
tim pool
SA Federale says random, but in the Army, it's legit that the bees constantly have to get shaving profiles for irritation.
It's like getting Ashy or something, IDK.
unidentified
The blood.
tim pool
They look like Freddy Crow.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
No, it's a serious issue.
I think it is.
tate brown
Go to Walgreens.
There's like 80 different products to help them with the neck.
elad eliahu
The ingrown is.
tate brown
We have that problem too.
tim pool
Let's grab one more.
We got Grandma.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
Only 3 to 4% of Iran's population support the IRGC.
All opposition factions have agreed Crown Prince will lead the tradition.
Government, watch 2C TV to get educated on the Immortal Guard.
elad eliahu
The Crown Prince isn't coming back.
The president says that he wants somebody from in Iran, not somebody from Virginia.
tim pool
And Trump has been talking about the parliamentary speaker, I guess.
elad eliahu
Yeah, in Iran.
tate brown
You guys are idiots.
You're not watching this really obscure YouTube channel for what's really going on in Iran.
tim pool
We are going to go to the uncensored portion of the show over at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL.
So smash that like button.
Share the show with everyone you've ever met because it's important, I suppose.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Carolyn, do you want to shout anything out?
caroline wren
Thanks for having me.
This was a lot of fun.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
tim pool
Right on.
elad eliahu
Good evening, everybody.
A lot of Liyahu, White Man, White House reporter.
Thanks for having me, Tim.
It was a good time.
Caroline, it's been a lot of fun to chat.
Tate, how's it going?
tate brown
Yeah, X and Instagram at Realtate Brown, and I'll be back tomorrow for the Timcast News Noon Life.
Also, where can people find you?
Like on Twitter?
caroline wren
Oh, social.
Just at Caroline Wren on X and True Social.
tate brown
Love it.
carter banks
All right.
Carter Banks, you can follow me at Carter Banks on X and Instagram, which is just Carter Banks with a 4L because someone else took it.
Follow our label Trash House Records on YouTube at Trash House Records Tim.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
Thanks for hanging out.
I love it.
This viral story.
TV reporter finds the dumbest spring breakers in America.
Who the fuck is the Ayatollah?
Yeah, this clip from Jesse Waters is going viral, but I got to be honest, like, duh, we know this.
Of course, these people are fucking retarded.
Is it going to play?
Are we muted?
carter banks
We should not be.
the dob in unknown
Is the most important to you?
unidentified
What bikini I'm going to wear next?
Obesity is terrible.
tate brown
Ice.
Not personally.
unidentified
I'm legal.
caroline wren
Getting a tan on the beach.
That's the most important thing in my life right now.
unidentified
I'm thinking about Starbucks, to be honest.
I'm thinking about Starbucks.
caroline wren
What am I going to get for today?
elad eliahu
The elevators don't work.
You got 43 floors.
The elevators don't work.
donald j trump
I could take this little glass of water, drop it in the magnets.
unidentified
That's the end of the elevator.
tim pool
I give up.
the dob in unknown
Heard that Donald Trump has been doing recently?
unidentified
Gulf of America.
That's the last thing I kept up with.
We're going to war with Iraq.
That's been crazy.
What do you do in Columbia?
tim pool
You got Maduro out?
Oh, Columbia.
unidentified
That's good.
He's trying to sue those people for making jokes about him.
600 times.
the dob in unknown
You must be happy.
unidentified
I'm very happy.
the dob in unknown
Yeah, Ayatollah's dead.
unidentified
I'm so what?
Who?
What?
What is that?
caroline wren
Who the is Ayatollah?
unidentified
I never heard that word in my life.
Lewis, what's Ayatollah?
caroline wren
I haven't heard.
I found out about Chuck Norris yesterday.
unidentified
That was what's devastating to me.
the dob in unknown
He was the supreme leader of Iran.
unidentified
He's dead?
Oh, yeah.
the dob in unknown
We killed him.
unidentified
You did?
You killed him?
donald j trump
Johnny.
unidentified
Whoa.
the dob in unknown
If you were in charge, how would you take on Iran?
unidentified
Yeah, all my girls and we would all start putting belt on them.
elad eliahu
We get a bunch of girls in bikinis.
We make them run across the battlefield.
unidentified
All the guys are distracted.
We all run in.
Look at him in his eyes, I guess.
Flirt with him?
tim pool
I'd blow him up.
I don't know enough about it, but I would probably wipe it out.
unidentified
Drop a bomb, baby.
Bomb the out of him.
donald j trump
I would bomb the out of him.
the dob in unknown
Who have you heard about Venezuela?
caroline wren
Venezuela?
unidentified
Nothing?
I'm not sure.
I barely know what would be going on in like Tennessee where I'm from.
the dob in unknown
That they beat us in the world baseball classic.
Have you heard anything else?
unidentified
No?
Nothing.
I have heard nothing about Venezuela.
You know, honestly, I don't know, and I don't care.
the dob in unknown
Where is Venezuela?
unidentified
I don't know.
I'm drunk.
I really, I don't know.
Venezuela?
Isn't that in Spain?
No.
Go easy on the tequila.
the dob in unknown
This is what you want to tell Jesse Waters.
elad eliahu
You're on his show.
unidentified
That's the guy who was eating the steak.
Remember?
tate brown
It was like in front of the vegan guy.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
the dob in unknown
Do you know who I am?
unidentified
I do not.
the dob in unknown
Here's Johnny.
unidentified
Hi, Johnny.
tate brown
This is the world-based.
tim pool
I will say, to be fair, he probably did find people that were just not entertaining.
You stop somebody and you ask them, because I did this.
We tried this.
When I was working for Fusion, we had discussed like, okay, we should go do some men in the street stuff and talk to people about what's going on politically.
And we found that every single person we met was actually of moderate intelligence.
And I was like, these fucking people.
We met no one this dumb.
People, most people, it's like we're in Times Square.
And what year was it?
It was like 2014.
I forgot what we were talking about.
We're talking about like Occupy protests or something or like tax the rich.
And you'd go to a random person and you'd say something like, you know, you'd ask him a question about modern politics at the time, which 2014, I can't really remember because I wasn't.
What was going on in 2014?
unidentified
I don't know.
tate brown
O'Bergefell.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Trump's comfortable.
tim pool
You'd ask them about something like the Supreme Court, and they would just go, you'd get a lot of, well, I wish I was you'd stop like a young woman, and you'd be like, what do you think about the current makeup of the Supreme Court and the ruling Jonathan Obergefell?
And they would go, which one was that?
And you go, this is the ruling on gay marriage.
And they go, oh, yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
You know, honestly, I haven't followed it enough to give you a fair opinion.
So I just feel bad if I said something.
And I'd like we go, okay.
Like, what are you going to do?
So you try to find dumb people to make the video work.
But most people, it's like, I was like, dude, I'm not going to sit here for four hours trying to find three dumb people.
That's stupid.
And they were mostly just not really that stupid.
tate brown
This is like unironically like a good sign.
If like Americans, this is like white people are dumb as shit.
No, this is like an old American thing where it's just like general ambivalence to what's happening in the world.
Who cares?
Venezuela, what's that?
Spain?
Why do I need to know that?
That's actually like unironically kind of a good thing.
tim pool
Well, ask yourself about the demand then, because if these people aren't interested in purchasing your product tape, then what are you selling them?
I think you should be focused more on selling spray tans than the news.
tate brown
I try.
My show, if you watch it, is like the quality has been dropping every day.
I think I have these people in mind.
I have these people in mind.
I'm thinking.
tim pool
Oh, bro, look at Candace Owens.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
She says tobacco on purpose.
I'm not kidding.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This is an old George W. Bush technique.
There was an SNL joke where George W. Bush says strategery, and everybody laughs.
But people would be like, why does George W. Bush talk like he's a fucking idiot?
He's not an idiot.
He's a smart guy.
It's because they're like, if you want to maximize, you have to be that dumb guy.
Like, you know, who's a great example of this?
Is Dave Portnoy?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm not saying that he's stupid.
I'm saying he acts just like a doofy bro.
And again, that's not meant to be disrespectful.
But when he's like, yo, man, I got a pizza here.
Like one bite.
I'm going to bite it.
They're entertaining and everybody likes it.
He's not coming out and being like, bro, let me tell you about quantum equations.
We're going to do hard math.
People are going to, no one cares about that shit.
He's like, bro, I watched that guy.
He scored a touchdown.
Let's eat pizza.
And everybody's like, we like this.
tate brown
But anytime there's like a controversy involving anti-Semitism, he's like locked in.
He's like, I have a serious problem.
Because he's Jewish.
He's like dialed in.
See, Jasmine Krock gets that way where she's like on camera.
She's like, I don't know about none of this.
unidentified
What y'all?
tate brown
And then she gets in front of the press and she's like, honestly, one of the big issues facing this campaign.
What is going on?
tim pool
So I think what we got to do for this show is just be real stupid.
Like, you know, the other day I said the word beleaguered, and then I instantly regretted it.
tate brown
Tim, what do you think about Ayatollah?
Can we just talk?
Can we just do that?
tim pool
Nah, nah, nah.
Nah, bro, bro, bro.
It's like this.
It's like this.
Hey, hey, there's this, there's this place, and it's far away, right?
But yo, we get gas from there.
Like, your gas is expensive, man.
unidentified
That's bullshit.
tim pool
I can't pay $4 for no gas.
It's bullshit.
We got to kill the Ayaturla.
elad eliahu
I don't know, man.
All I know is that there's a lot of weird stuff going on.
And, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu seems to really be pulling on the strings.
You know, he calls President Trump.
Trump just listens to him, man.
He tells the president to do something.
Tells the president to attack Iran.
President just doesn't.
tim pool
Bro, look at, you know, like the Savannah Guthrie thing.
elad eliahu
What was his name?
The guy, the comedian.
That was my Theo Von impression.
tim pool
The Savannah Guthrie story is where we really saw the total breakdown in politics as pop culture.
Because you could see it in Laura Ingram's face.
She did not want to be talking about this.
Like, who the fuck cares, bro?
Like, honestly, who cares?
But the viewership was fucking nuts because women were just locked in, staring at the screen.
And I was watching, because, you know, we start pre-production here.
Call time is 6:30.
Pre-production starts 7:15.
And so that means the first 15 minutes of Laura Ingram, we got on the TV and she was talking the slowest I've ever seen her talk with just abject disinterest.
Savannah Guthrie.
Well, the FBI can't find her.
And I was like, you got to be fucking careful.
tate brown
Because it's like the average viewer is like a half-asleep boomer.
tim pool
You know, it's going to be hilarious is when like Laura Ingrams and like her show just turns into infomercials for Slapchop.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because nobody watches TV anymore.
They're all just watching TikTok and shorts and AI slop content now.
30% of YouTube is AI slop.
Do you guys know that?
unidentified
Yep.
elad eliahu
I'm surprised it's not more at this point.
tim pool
It's going to be a year from now.
It's going to be crazier.
There was this story where it's like YouTube is asking people if this video looks like AI slop.
And everyone's like, yay, they're going to start banning AI slop.
No, they're trying to improve their video models.
So when you identify AI slop, they tell the AI, don't make it like this.
So it's going to get worse.
It's going to get a lot worse.
elad eliahu
Have you seen on Instagram?
There's these fake hot chicks that pretend to be close with the president.
Yeah, like, do you know which ones I'm talking about?
caroline wren
Yeah, that one got like a million followers.
elad eliahu
Yeah, these are huge accounts fundraising.
Not fundraising, I guess, accepting like a ton of money.
unidentified
Right.
elad eliahu
I guess fundraising for God knows what.
And it's like softcore type content.
And I don't judge, I don't, I feel like I can't blame people for being misled by them, though, because a lot of the pictures are extremely convincing.
And if you don't know that the president wouldn't take a picture like this, then I could see somebody thinking like, oh, the president met with one of his supporters and it is just some with her cleavage out in this really odd way.
And I don't know.
Fake Influencers on Instagram 00:13:03
elad eliahu
There's something about how impressionable people are on social media that scares me with the rise of AI.
carter banks
Just got to look at the follower count.
You've seen those two.
elad eliahu
No, those people.
Like, I think it's convincing a lot of people online.
And then it's also hard to differentiate real pictures from AI pics because people are also editing their pictures in weird ways that make them look like AI.
So it's, you know, I don't know, but I get fed a lot of those pages.
And it's funny that you've seen them too.
caroline wren
I mainly just consume like current events and political news.
I don't really watch TV and I don't watch sports, but I will say the Savannah, Savannah, the Savannah Gunthri, Nancy Guthrie thing, like locked me in.
And to where my, I had like massive family text with cousins I'm in spot two in seven years and we're all like out here like investigating this woman's kidnapping for like 10 days of my life.
I lost 10 days of my life just like investigating.
carter banks
They have not gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
caroline wren
I finally was like, I have to, but I subscribed to so many new podcasts.
Any podcaster, I would just search her name who was covering that topic.
I would download their podcast and listen to it.
Like that was – so I don't know what it was about that one weird thing.
But for girls, it was like – Hannah Guthrie?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yes.
caroline wren
It was an obsession.
tim pool
Women like content where there's no conclusion.
So that's why true crime dramas, where it's like each episode leaves you with not knowing what happened.
And then it's like only at the very end, when it's over, do they say, oh, yeah, by the way, this is what happened.
And so true crime is really big for that reason.
Women love murderers.
It's just true.
It's just what women like.
So like the Charlie Kirk story is perfect.
You got mystery, conspiracy, you've got betrayal.
You've got a scorned wife who betrayed her husband.
It is just, it's a soap opera.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so it's a massively female audience.
caroline wren
So I couldn't make, and I know Candace and I like her.
Friends of their, I love Charlie.
I know Erica.
unidentified
Oh, Candace.
caroline wren
I could only make it through.
tim pool
I'm a really person.
caroline wren
See, I know.
But I could only make it through one of the Erica episodes, and I was so uninterested.
I'm like, this is, I love the Brigitte Macron series.
I listen to all of it.
Even if I disagree with you, I listen to like all the different podcasters.
I like to listen to news.
But with Candace, I was like, I don't care that you just uncovered that like Erica's mom was divorced.
Like, why do I care about any of this?
Like, I couldn't even make it through one episode.
I'm like, I'm out.
elad eliahu
How could you, it's so fascinating because you fundraisers fundraised for Charlie.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Knew him on his early part of his relationship with Erica.
And just, I don't know, I guess what's your reaction to see many people, particularly, though, Candace Owens, slandering her so aggressively?
caroline wren
I think it makes, I think it's deeply uncomfortable.
But also, you know, when Erica stepped into that role, I guess you get, you assume some responsibility.
And I think that they moved too soon on doing that.
I think that they should have put an actual one like figurehead in charge of the show and like and replaced Charlie with someone.
elad eliahu
I think those are meaningfully different arguments than what Candace Owens is making.
Candace Owens isn't saying, oh, Erica Kirk took over a turning point too soon.
She's saying, oh, Erica Kirk was potentially involved in the murder of her husband.
caroline wren
I don't think Candace has gone that far into say that.
She's saying she's a psychologist.
tim pool
So she should have definitely gone way past that.
caroline wren
So I stopped after one episode, to be fair.
So it was more like into Erica's background.
I'm like, what is this?
So I don't, I don't know.
I don't buy any of it.
I don't know why Candace is going down this rabbit hole other than money.
You said exactly.
That made a lot of, that made that like tons of sense to me.
And the Bridgette Macron series was pretty convincing.
It was well done.
But with this one, I'm just like, I don't watch it.
elad eliahu
You thought the Bridget Macron stuff was convincing too?
caroline wren
Yeah.
elad eliahu
By the end of it, I'm like, Bridgette is not only a man, but also It's very scary how people are very impressionable and like easily misled, particularly by documentaries that are very selective in what they show you.
A documentary, a well-put-together documentary could leave out the most things.
Bridget McCrone isn't a man, though.
And like the fact that I think people like you are.
caroline wren
I believe it.
tim pool
Bridget Crown's a man.
I think Candace is a fed.
elad eliahu
Because you were being fed nitpicked information about Bridget McCrone and probably didn't bother to look into it deeper.
The bloggers who she cites retracted all of their statements, but it's like...
tim pool
You know that her lawyers work in a federal building with federal agents, right?
caroline wren
Yeah.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Why?
caroline wren
Well, I don't think, I don't know if I think that she's a fed.
tim pool
I think she's married to a British lord.
caroline wren
I know her husband.
I know George well.
But I think, again, I like all.
I listened to Ben Shapiro.
I listened to Candace.
I listened to Tucker.
I listen to Megan Kelly.
I listen to you.
And I like to consume news.
tim pool
Why did Tucker, Megan, Candace switch on a dime six months ago?
caroline wren
I don't think Tucker did switch as much on a dime.
Tucker came out.
tim pool
His second episode was about a guy who blew Obama, and now every show he does is Israel.
caroline wren
Yeah, he is going fairly hard on it.
But also, if you think that the country is being marched into World War III, that could potentially lead to 20 million deaths, as we all discussed, then should you even be talking about anything else?
tim pool
Yes.
elad eliahu
Wait, 20 million deaths?
tim pool
We talk about a variety of issues on this show because there's not just one thing going on that threatens your country.
I mean, our economy is a factor.
Our birth rates are factors.
And it's just like just Israel every fucking day.
But it's because this is what generates traffic.
This is what keeps you in the algorithm.
caroline wren
But I don't think Tucker's that driven by money.
Like he has a place in Maine.
Yeah, like I know it's different from Candace.
I think Candace is driven by money.
Tucker, I don't think that's what's driving.
tim pool
But this is why I don't personally lump Tucker in with the rest of him.
I say he's a guy with opinions.
He's always been married.
He doesn't need to do this.
But Candace, I think it's narcissism and sociopathy.
I think she likes to be, she wants people staring at her.
But I do think it's interesting that she's married to a British lord.
Her lawyers work in a building with federal agents and she's casting doubt on Tyler Robinson, which if he really was a Patsy in a foreign government really did prop him up, then this would be the way you get your Patsy out without going to prison.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So let's say it was Candace is right and Israel, whoever she thinks killed Charlie Kirk, and it wasn't Tyler Robinson.
If that was true, you'd want your Patsy not to go to prison for the rest of his life.
So you'd make up reasonable doubt, get someone to go testify, and then he wouldn't go to prison.
It would be a controversy.
He'd disappear.
And then the story's gone.
caroline wren
Yeah, I can't.
I don't know.
All I know is I like to consume a lot of different ones because I have agents here, but I can decide what I think is bullshit or not.
And so, like, so Candace, some of the stuff she says is batshit crazy, but other stuff I find like compelling and interesting.
And I like kind of.
tim pool
Like when she said that I survived the shooting committed by my brother.
caroline wren
I didn't see her say that.
tim pool
Yeah, she's she's full of shit.
She just makes shit up.
And she claimed my brother tried to kill me because she's a psychopathic piece of shit.
Yeah, my brother never shot at me, never tried to kill me.
It's an insane story.
And she does this because she's got a legion of people who believe everything she says, and it's all just fucking made-up shit.
caroline wren
I've got to follow her closely enough to know that because I've never even seen her talk about you before.
But again, the Bridgette Macrone was like what sucked.
That series is what I've watched of her.
tim pool
Otherwise, like— She got mad because I had called out something she had said back in, like, December.
And then she claimed that I was auditioning for the Zionists.
And then she said, we don't care about your midterms.
I said, what Candace is doing is demoralizing the base.
It's going to result in a fracturing.
And I was fucking 100% right.
What she has done is she's driven a ton of podcasters who are normally talking about these issues that affect our economy.
And she's now split the base between Israel is taking over the world and the people who are like, bro, I just want cheap fucking gas.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
She started this.
She wasn't the only one.
But there's a handful of other personalities that now do what I call Israel posting and Kirk posting.
And Jamie Doer is doing it.
And they're just chasing after this machine.
Trump is going to lose because of this.
And when I said this in December, if this is the route that we are going and she is pushing this and she gets followers to track this stuff, we will lose support for the Republican Party.
Democrats will win and we are fucked.
And she personally responded on her show to me saying that, saying, we don't care about your midterms.
She's not a conservative.
So we're watching this happen.
We are cooked.
Republicans are going to win.
A lot of the people who pushed for Trump that she's been attacking are going to go to prison and she's got a smile on her face about it.
Meanwhile, her lawyers work in a building with federal agents.
He's married to a British lord.
And I'm like, oh boy, if that's not WEF, I don't know what is.
caroline wren
I agree with you.
They're splitting and dividing.
tim pool
She doesn't have security lies about it.
caroline wren
You can't stifle too much debate because that's what the Democrats did and it exploded on them.
So I do like that people debate, but this is what sucks about losing Charlie.
It's like Charlie was truly a glue that was kind of able to hold all this together and keep everyone together, bring them together.
tim pool
I remember what it was.
She said that she did this manipulation tactic where it's called assumptive reasoning.
She said, this show will be off the air for this week.
I am facing death threats.
The FBI has confirmed or whatever, confirmed receipt of the threats against me.
It's fabricated.
And what she was really saying is, we're going off the air for Thanksgiving to see family.
By the way, I emailed the FBI to let them know I got a death threat.
caroline wren
Probably Joe Cann.
tim pool
And then I called this out saying, like, this is a manipulation tactic.
And then she started criticizing me.
And I said, she's lying.
And, you know, here we are.
So, anyway, we should go to callers.
Let's start with plastic cup politics.
What's going on, brother?
carter banks
What's up, Mr. Cook?
unidentified
Hello.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
If I may start out with my shout-out, I want to shout out the great Seamus Coglin for his return to the internet after two months, two-month disappearance.
unidentified
Great show.
tim pool
No, he was gone.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
Yeah, it's a great question.
Well, the rumor is, the Reddit rumor is that he was actually in federal lockup for possibly being an accomplice in the Butler assassination attempt.
Sounds crazy.
But a bunch of reputable sources, including Timcast, actually reported that the alleged shooter had no silverware in his house.
unidentified
Yeah.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
Oh, man, that joke landed like an air cannon flight.
unidentified
Okay.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
I'll move on to my question then.
I want to talk a little bit about some domestic terrorism and the good old Virginia AG Jay Jones.
So I doubt anyone's surprise at the rise of Islamic terror attacks at home, given what's happening overseas.
My concern is the local prosecutors who would charge those patriots that are willing to defend themselves.
We know the Austin DAs are required by law to present evidence to any police shooting to a grand jury.
Question for the panel: Do you foresee confessed domestic terrorist Jay Jones taking legal action against the old Dominion ROTC candidates who defended themselves from a jihadist with nothing more than a pocket knife?
tim pool
No, no, they won awards.
He's not going anywhere near that.
That'd be very, very bad for him.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
Well, that's the first really national story of crime coming out of Virginia.
I mean, would it surprise you in the least?
tim pool
I would be shocked if he actually went after these guys.
I'd be shocked.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
It's a bit.
elad eliahu
Go ahead.
No, I'm sorry.
unidentified
Go ahead.
elad eliahu
Finish your point.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
I was done.
I was just trying to.
elad eliahu
I was just thinking, you know, there's been so much fear-mongering around Jay Jones, and I've been keeping a close eye on him, but I feel like he hasn't.
I don't know if anything's come up yet so far into his term.
I guess we are still early on.
Yeah, we'll see.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
It seems like he's trying to maintain a low profile.
But with that, with that, that pretty much answers my question.
If I may give two quick shout-outs.
Two of my favorite Brandons.
The reason I bring it up, the Old Dominion thing was kind of hit home kind of close.
My future son-in-law graduated from Old Dominion last year, and he was part of the ROTC program.
So he was pretty broken up about what happened and had a lot of really good things to say about him.
So I just want to shout out Lieutenant Colonel Brandon Shaw giving his life for his nation on his own soil.
And he's got to, the last thing he saw was the next generation picking up the rifle.
So rest in peace, soldier.
We'll pick up the gun.
And then second Brandon, my boy Brandon Carrera, who won District 23, likely headed to Congress, made a bit of a hype video for him.
It's pinned to my Twitter.
Sure, you guys will like it.
unidentified
Check it out.
plasticcuppolitics in unknown
Lessica Politics, pinned tweet on Twitter and YouTube.
You guys have a good night.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
All right.
Next up, we've got the Dob.
the dob in unknown
Hello, everybody.
unidentified
What's up?
the dob in unknown
How's everyone doing?
tim pool
Pretty good.
unidentified
Good.
the dob in unknown
I have one for you, Tim.
Decentralized Missile Strikes 00:12:23
the dob in unknown
You are wrong about Iran.
tim pool
In what way?
unidentified
Our military.
Go ahead.
tim pool
I said, in what way?
the dob in unknown
You feel as though we can't do what we want with them.
tim pool
What is that?
the dob in unknown
Our military is incapable.
tim pool
I didn't say that.
When did I say that?
the dob in unknown
We can't deal with the raw population numbers of Iran.
tim pool
I didn't say we couldn't take over Iran.
I said it's not Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's not going to be this.
You know, if we had a hard enough time with the Taliban, we're going to have to have a full-scale occupation of the country with boots on the ground.
the dob in unknown
We didn't have a hard time with the Taliban.
That was politicians.
tim pool
The Taliban remained for 20 years.
It took the country back over.
My point with Iran is that if we want to topple the regime, we have to go in boots on the ground.
I didn't say we couldn't do it.
caroline wren
And you still got to deal with politicians.
unidentified
Yeah.
the dob in unknown
And that's just the main thing that stops us from.
And I reckon Afghanistan was mainly by design in order to really funnel money into the military-industrial complex.
It was a sick combination of politics and military action, which just goes to show how powerful our military really is and how capable it is.
tim pool
You're not going to have regime change with 90 million people unless you have boots on the ground.
Fighter jets can't occupy street corners.
the dob in unknown
But it can definitely facilitate a revolutionary action.
We should have done this before the 40,000 people were murdered by the regime.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Invaded?
the dob in unknown
No, bombed them, preventing them from killing their own people, and maybe even do what we did way back when and drop weapons in there.
You can arm people.
tate brown
We do have a great track record of arming Iranians.
elad eliahu
Also, like, I don't think we want to arm the Kurds because we don't want to piss off the Turks, the Syrians, the Iraqis.
tate brown
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And then abandon them again.
We love abandoning Kurds.
tate brown
We suck at this.
We're terrible at this.
elad eliahu
Or we could do another Iran-Contra.
I guess, wait, that was a reverse.
Whatever.
tate brown
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah, we should just.
elad eliahu
No, I haven't been seeing those protests.
As I understand the president and BB Netanyahu were assuming that there would be like a part two to the protests that just aren't materializing.
I don't know.
Maybe they're scared of all the fucking bombs flying everywhere.
tate brown
Because you saw like, look, you saw like not to go World War II, but like in World War II, we started bombing the Germans because we were like, we're going to demoralize them.
And all it did was like consolidate support around the, well, the Third Reich was on their last legs.
And also like they also did this anticipating that like people would come out and protest against the regime.
But all that happens is people are like, wow, a foreign country is bombing us.
I guess I'll take the devil I know or the devil I don't know.
And that's what's happening in Iran is like, again, it was just a miscalculation is they thought that since there were protests occurring, that once we started bombing Iran, that then these protesters are feeling bold and they go and they'd storm the capital and like pull them out like a Disney movie.
tim pool
And they're not protesting anymore.
tate brown
They're not protesting.
Not only are they not protesting, but there are demonstrations now for pro-regime move, like a pro-regime movement are the ones that are out in the streets of Tehran.
You can just look at the videos.
Like, that's just the reality on the ground.
So it's just a miscalculation.
I think that was the main thing that they were trying to do is they thought that if they just sort of provided some breathing room for the protesters, took the boot off of their neck, that they would go in and then they would do the regime change without us having to get involved.
That didn't happen.
And I think that's why we're in this situation we are in now.
caroline wren
I don't think they were trying to acquire a nuclear weapon.
I think they just wanted to maintain enriching at 60% and tell people that they were trying to obtain a nuclear weapon because they learned the lesson from Libya.
Like, look what happened to Gaddafi when you take the nuclear weapons, like the country gets toppled and stuff.
So that's where I just think that they wanted to maintain a status quo and tell people they were enriching.
They were like, and just maintain right in there so that they have a lot of regional problems with Saudi Arabia and others.
And they were never actually going to obtain a bomb or drop it on New York City or any of that.
And I just don't understand why we couldn't just let that status quo continue.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
Their last opportunity to do it before the boomers die and there'll be no support for any of those operations.
elad eliahu
Look, I think in 20 years, we'll look back on this and say, wow, the president really reinvigorated American hegemony in the Caribbean with Cuba when we eventually invade, which I think is a fargone conclusion at this point, in South America, with Venezuela, and with Iran, which, God willing, will be a democratic ally.
tate brown
Because here's the problem, though, is like, look, we already saw today, like, Trump is negotiating.
Well, JD Vance, apparently, if you believe they're reporting, is like now going to be negotiating directly with the Iranians.
That means we're going to have to make some concessions.
The most likely concession is that we pull out of Iraq, like completely.
caroline wren
We did make some concessions.
We lifted sanctions already.
tate brown
We lifted sanctions, but it's like if we're talking about like, because they want us out of the Persian Gulf, that's not going to happen.
That's never going to happen.
But I could see us saying, okay, we'll withdraw from Iraq.
If anything, the result of this is actually American hegemony is worse.
elad eliahu
If he's sending in JD Vance, then you know it's a bluff.
caroline wren
Well, they're demanding like 11 trillion.
unidentified
I'll tell you anyway.
elad eliahu
No, the president's not serious.
caroline wren
They're demanding $11 trillion in reparations in the United States.
elad eliahu
Yeah, good fucking.
tate brown
That's not going to happen.
We're going to leave the Persian Gulf, but there's a realistic situation in which we just withdraw completely from Iraq, which I think a lot of people in the audience will enjoy.
But the reality is that does mean that, again, our footprint in that specific sub-region of the Middle East is now shrunken completely.
I mean, between Afghanistan and Iraq, it's over.
elad eliahu
Caller, I hope that answers your question.
Is there something you wanted to shout out?
the dob in unknown
No, not particularly aside from hydration.
Water is important for life, drinking.
tate brown
Yeah, man.
tim pool
It is important to life.
elad eliahu
You should try some pool water.
tim pool
Indeed, we have the aluminum bottles now.
tate brown
Aluminium.
tim pool
And they told us there's no plastic in them, but we have to – I'm like – I mean, they said, no, there's no plastic.
And I was like, we're going to test it to make sure.
Because my understanding is every metal has a plastic liner.
unidentified
So we'll see.
tim pool
Well, right on, brother.
Thanks for calling in then.
the dob in unknown
Thank you for having me.
carter banks
Thanks, dude.
tim pool
Right on.
All right.
Up next, we've got Troy W. Hi, thanks for taking my call.
unidentified
How does it work?
troy w in unknown
So, let me paint a picture for you here.
Imagine you're a high-ranking military commander in Iran, and you want a more pro-Western government to replace the regime, but you risk being assassinated if you're too public.
You have control over, let's say, tens of thousands of troops who just want a paycheck.
How do you start talking to and convince the Israel-U.S. alliance that you are the real deal and have the power to effectiate regime change in Iran?
Perhaps the alliance suggests hard evidence that you can do what you say you can do.
So, you suggest firing some missiles that aren't supposed to exist, that have a range twice than what everybody knows you have, capable of hitting London.
So, Trump suggests they, you know, that they knew they were speaking to the right people based on things that have happened, but he didn't say what that was.
And that was shortly after those missiles were fired at the UK Diego Garcia base.
So, my question to the panel is: yes or no?
Were these missiles that were fired a signal that Mossad or pro-Western actors in control of large enough segments of Iran are in a position that can help affect regime change?
tim pool
Are you saying that these missiles were fired because Trump was like, prove it?
Or what?
unidentified
What do you say?
troy w in unknown
I mean, look at what the results of the missile.
No damage.
They didn't hit.
And it dismantled the narrative that Iran wasn't an imminent threat.
They are an imminent threat.
They can hit most of Europe.
And that was largely classified within Iran.
That was a secret.
Why waste your biggest secret on a false shot at an obscure base that no one's aware of out in the Middle Indian Ocean?
carter banks
Saying it's like a warning shot.
tim pool
And they didn't use it as well.
They didn't use it as a casserole's belly.
unidentified
So.
troy w in unknown
No, no, I'm not saying it was a false flag by Mossad or anything like that.
But if you're a military commander in Iran, how do you prove to the Americans and Israel that you're the real deal?
caroline wren
Well, I guess the soft attack that you're talking about, that was after the 12-day war, right?
Or when we struck it first.
tate brown
I understand they fired two missiles.
One was blown up in the air and one just fell short.
elad eliahu
I think most of the IRGC and like the command structure is what is it called?
caroline wren
Decentralized.
elad eliahu
Decentralized at this point.
So I don't believe that they're getting commands from the top and organizing in a meaningful way strategically with one another.
So if anything, I think it was a small segment of whatever command group that had access to these weapons that just said, F it, let's try to get a hit on them.
I think the reason for them not actually being able to hit the island is because their weapons suck, not because this was like sort of a like, yeah, we're in power or we have some influence here.
troy w in unknown
So if that kind of makes sense, I don't think there's like a really good plausible deniability for the people in the regime, but how does that explain what Trump said?
We're talking to the right people because of things that have happened that we've seen.
And we wouldn't elaborate on that.
caroline wren
Well, I think what he said, who they're talking to is the like basically the head of the parliament there.
But the problem with the military or how to deal with this in a regime, and this was the same thing with Venezuela, is what they do is they decentralize their military very much.
In the United States, it's top-down.
You know, exactly everyone's rank, and that reports to that person, that person, that person.
Instead, they give you a little fiefdom that you control.
And it's very decentralized.
That way, if that military leader gets struck, someone else just comes in and replaces them.
And also, you can't organize a military coup, most importantly.
It is very difficult to start a coup when you have a decentralized military system like they had in Venezuela, like what they have in Iran.
And so, to your question of like, if you control 10,000, then I don't think I would step up if I'm in Iran because your head would get chopped off.
And then probably all 10,000 of the soldiers that followed you, which I only think a few heads would also be chopped off.
And so that's why they killed the Ayatollah.
But I think it's going to be a harder mission than just that.
It runs much deeper and wider.
unidentified
Sure.
troy w in unknown
But are we really going to believe that Mossad has no more aces up their sleeves, no more agents in the RGCC coups force?
elad eliahu
I think they do, but I don't know why they would waste it on like trying to send a signal.
I think they have deep infiltration throughout Iran.
And I think that's why they've been so successful in hitting so many of these generals so quickly.
And like Ayatollah and then his son, likely, is we don't know the status of him, but then the IRGC leader as well.
Israel's become extremely effective.
caroline wren
The Beaver Day was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life.
elad eliahu
Also, the killing of Hassan Nasrallah, also the Hamas commander that was killed in Iran before even the 12-day war started.
Israel's become extremely effective at these targeted assassinations.
One thing I was curious about, too, is why we're not doing any of the targeted assassinations.
And why is it that Israel gets to kill the Ayatollah instead of us?
caroline wren
Because I think that Israel's willing to take the backlash, which is horrified scary.
But if you're the one who actually said, and so for the United States, that's why we try to distance ourselves.
But the idea that Trump doesn't know, like he does know what's going on, but Israel is literally willing to be martyrs in this type of fight.
I mean, this is the war that they know they've been have to have.
It's their intel.
And I think they actually are the ones who fire the weapon and stuff.
But especially those weapons they have where the hum just go around and went literally into someone's apartment window and killed them and left the whole apartment building intact is the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
elad eliahu
There's good reason to believe that Mossad has deeply infiltrated Iran Islamic regime over there.
caroline wren
Deeply, deeply to uh they had someone in the very inner circle that they knew about that meeting like taking place that day at the Ayatollah side.
I mean, that was all Israeli.
elad eliahu
Same thing with Hezbollah, too.
It's um, they're doing amazing things.
But anyway, call it.
troy w in unknown
You've got to think too.
Well, these leaders are getting assassinated left and right.
So there's there's military promotions happening quick.
So you can bet those low-level Mossad agents are getting promoted into high-level positions.
At the end of the day, I really think all of the leadership is going to be Mossad.
And James O'Keefe is going to dress up as the Ayatollah and be the new supreme leader and take off his next Ayatollah was just a Mossad agent.
elad eliahu
That's who they're waiting to bump up, where it's eventually just like this agent that bubbled up.
Anyway, thank you for calling in.
Smart Voter Base Shift 00:06:05
elad eliahu
Was there anything else you wanted to shout out?
troy w in unknown
Yeah, no, I'm a big fan of lad.
I'm always defending you.
You're in the neocon view, so keep up the good work.
elad eliahu
We're being vindicated.
We're being vindicated right now.
troy w in unknown
And the president really knows how to plan.
Yeah, I mean, let him cook green dream coffee.
We drink it every morning.
elad eliahu
Yeah, man.
troy w in unknown
So thanks a lot, guys.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
And last but not least, we got Sinoski.
What is up, brother?
cnosky in unknown
Oh, man.
Tim, I have got the scoop of the century for you.
I was going to give it to Candace, but she went a little bit off the rails.
I have to give it to you instead.
tim pool
Light on me.
cnosky in unknown
The next Ayatollah is going to be Erica Kirk's leather pants.
tim pool
Oh, I was thinking that, you know, but you just confirmed it for me.
So it must be true.
cnosky in unknown
All right.
On to more important things.
Can we stop pretending and just say it out loud?
The Senate under the spineless fuck, John Zoon, is the most pathetic, flawless, Olympic failure of an entire history of the United States at this point.
Why are we barreling towards another midterm ass whooping, staring down at another lame duck session of President Trump?
And we're just getting blushed down the toilet because they're bubbling at this point are still bent over, eagerly sucking off the Democrat cock.
tim pool
Yep.
cnosky in unknown
Why do we not nuke the filibuster?
Because some legislation passed at this point.
tim pool
This is why I think politics is cooked.
Because people are just demoralized.
They're like, what was the point of all of this stuff that we've been doing?
I don't know, man.
cnosky in unknown
I mean, I don't disagree.
We're talking about legislation that 90% say yes, absolutely get this done.
Get the Save Act passed.
Why don't we have voter ID?
unidentified
Why?
cnosky in unknown
Well, because nobody wants to know who voted for who because we all want to sit here every ICO and say, oh man, there was cheating involved.
There was cheating involved.
Doesn't matter who's elected.
We have fucking cheating involved.
Guess what?
How do we fix that?
We shore up the system.
Save act, voter ID, show ID when you're voting.
This is basic political science.
tim pool
But they don't want a democratic institution.
They want to retard it.
No, they're very smart and they want to keep the machine in place for procedural elections, not popular elections.
And they don't want you to be able to voice your opinion.
So they block the Save Act.
And then you see massive amounts of people just walking away from the political system, giving up.
And then it goes back to status quo.
I've been predicting for a while.
You guys have heard me.
I said status quo is coming back.
And I think everything's showing us that it's happening.
cnosky in unknown
So what you're saying is we have Henry Ford to blame for all this.
We needed a workforce and a voter base just smart enough to work the machines, but not smart enough to know what's actually going on.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
A lot, you look like you have something to do.
elad eliahu
Yeah, when the voter base gets a little bit too smart, you know, dangerous.
tate brown
That's the problem right now: the voter base is getting really smart.
elad eliahu
The real issue, I think, is the voter base is getting too stupid.
We're very impressionable.
Our media literacy is at an all-time low.
Yo, we're fucking retarded.
And our social media is making us even stupider, even more dumb.
tate brown
Everyone's getting smarter.
You wouldn't know all this about evil.
Israel's behind everything, dude, if we were getting dumb or something.
elad eliahu
No, of course I know Israel's behind everything.
I'm Israel.
tate brown
Dude, you're getting so smart, dude.
Clearly, you're not tapped into Candace, dude.
tim pool
Candace, but it is largely women who watch her.
caroline wren
Do you think those Springbreakers watch Candace?
unidentified
No.
elad eliahu
They're getting drunk.
tim pool
With all due respect, they would know who the Ayatollah was, or at least they'd know the word.
tate brown
They've won.
The Springbreakers have won.
elad eliahu
The Man on the Street interviews where they were like, oh, where's the X country?
Like, those are such classic videos of like, you know, imagine you went to the beach, pulled up a map.
It's like, oh, where's Iran?
They wouldn't be able to point it out.
It's like, oh, silly Americans.
They don't know the thing.
tate brown
Do you know like how much bandwidth Horowitz got out of like 15 years ago going to like the Bronx and asking black people about IDs and then going to that college campus?
And everyone cites it on every podcast for 15 years.
Like, bro, can we do this video again and see if they've learned?
elad eliahu
Run it back.
tate brown
Because now they'd be like, um, no.
Um, yeah, black people are smart enough to get IDs.
I'm just against the Save Act for other reasons.
Like, they would know now.
I hope.
cnosky in unknown
I mean, man on the street interviews with mommy Horowitz have ruined it for everyone else.
Tim, you talked about you had to go out for four hours and you barely got one or two people that might have passed muster on being dumb enough.
tim pool
Yep.
cnosky in unknown
Whoever did this one that you showed, I mean, they were brilliant.
They went to spring break where everyone's fucking drunk and indoctrinated.
They don't know shit anyway.
tim pool
Yeah, but it was four people.
cnosky in unknown
It was stupid by default.
tim pool
It was four people.
That's the point.
He's on this massive beach and they only show in his whole edit four people, which likely took him all day to find these stupid people.
carter banks
We need like a where are they now?
tim pool
I bet, I bet most of the people would be would most of the people are going to say something like, oh, yeah, yeah, I heard about the Iran strikes, but to be honest, I'm not well versed in it, so I wouldn't have a good answer for you.
And you go, okay, that's boring.
cnosky in unknown
I mean, and if that gets the case, Tim, I'm actually truly happy because I was concerned when I heard this.
I was concerned that these are the people who are going to have to take care of me when I actually get old.
And that concerned me deeply.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Nope.
They just find stupid people to make these videos.
Everybody does it.
Left, right, up, down.
carter banks
It's the same thing.
unidentified
All right.
cnosky in unknown
Thank you, Tim.
And everyone else who chimed in.
elad eliahu
Thanks for calling in.
Was there something you wanted to shout out?
cnosky in unknown
As always, Quiet Park Pod Monday through Friday, 6:30 Eastern.
We talk about most of the same stuff you talk about here, only we do it a little bit earlier.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for calling in, brother.
unidentified
Have a good night, guys.
tate brown
Or a good night.
unidentified
You too.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, my friends.
We are out of here.
We're back tomorrow, of course.
It's been a blast.
Thank you all so much for hanging out.
I was talking about the missing scientists over on the Timcast channel, so you don't want to miss that.
Other than that, Carolyn, it's been great hanging out.
caroline wren
Yeah, thank you for having me.
This was great.
tim pool
All right.
Well, we'll see all of you guys tomorrow.
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